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Klashikari
2007-11-05, 14:24
same drill folks !
Episode 18: Bullet Summary and Screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-18-matsuribayashi-hen-5-saigo-no-koma/)
Edit: screencaps are available.
I already mentioned the missing pieces in the analysis 17.
That said, there are still other "missing pieces", though most are just the gameboard. Unfortunately, no "BATSHIT" piece, aka Piece #51... yet.
here is the order of the pieces of this episode :
33 (bit) => 35 => 03 + 37 => 32 => 31 => 16 => 08 => 33 (rest) => 34 => 36
they basically didn't swap anything, though Koizumi thing was already changed in the previous episode so.
Excellent episode, as it was fairly enough to conclude the last tid bits of the past. They certainly skip some chunk... especially keiichi's father and Rena.
However, Kudos for the nice "shortcut" for Satoshi and how he was portrayed, though the footsteps weren't creepy enough imho ^^"
The quality was back at the top and we will finally reach the REAL start of Matsuribayashi-hen.
....
...what?
....No Akasaka?
....
...what?
....No Akasaka?
It'll probably be shown at the beginning of 19.
Good epsiode, but the timing of the episode could've been done better. Pieces #3 (Red Capsule) and #37 (Ryuugu Rena) was cut way short, and various elements of the Houjou Aunt's murder (background details) was skipped. Ichiro's monologue in #33 should've been included, as that is one of the important element to why the Maebara family moved to Hinamizawa. This was all to allow for the longer part of piece #8, I guess.
It seems that they are alotting only 3 epsiodes for Kakera Musubi, and they have definitely left out quite a bit of minor details. Those who are intrested should definitely read up on the pieces on this forum.
RAW for 18 is out.
Enjoy your weekly dose of gore and lolis.
Ah finally. This is the part of the story I've been waiting for since the very first arc.
So is it safe to assume that Satoshi was used as a live specimen for parasite testing by Takano?
SeventhHS
2007-11-05, 18:30
It'll probably be shown at the beginning of 19.
I hope so! It would have had more impact if it were an end-of-episode thing, though.
Also, playing up Keiichi as "the final piece" instead of Akasaka might be disappointing to watchers later. He doesn't exactly have a pivotal role in Matsuribayashi, AFAIK.
Sterling01
2007-11-05, 18:54
What the Fuck?
I want my head smashing Akasaka... and they messed up the Satoshi/Takano scene...
Kang Seung Jae
2007-11-05, 19:34
We need to spice up Keiichi's father... I want that goatee!
Hauu~'s subs are now available (http://rapidshare.com/files/67728791/Higurashi.no.Naku.Koro.ni.Kai.18.ass.html).
Kang Seung Jae
2007-11-05, 21:49
ImpulseRAven, here's an advice: Read the OP.
Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum.
Delete that post.
Also, playing up Keiichi as "the final piece" instead of Akasaka might be disappointing to watchers later. He doesn't exactly have a pivotal role in Matsuribayashi, AFAIK.
While Keiich was the last piece to arrive, I didn't think that they portrayed him as being that. If anything, Rika seemed to indicate that Hanyuu was the final piece instead.
Sterling01
2007-11-05, 21:56
While Keiich was the last piece to arrive, I didn't think that they portrayed him as being that. If anything, Rika seemed to indicate that Hanyuu was the final piece instead.
Hanyuu isn't the last piece ether, It's.....
Badass Akasaka (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=750889&postcount=53)
Emo-Rena for teh WIN also does anyone actually read the rules... I mean c'mon they're there for a reason
Nii Nii MIGHT be no more
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-11-05, 23:52
I liked the episode, but like Rias, I would rather that they give us a bit more detail about Rena and her encounter with Oyashiro-sama as well as Satoshi's murder.
We know from the previous episodes that Satoko went L5 but was saved, so I would assume that Irie had saved Satoshi since in this episode, we see that he didn't claw out his throat yet when he arrived at the clinic
Preview for 19 is up
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Preview for 19 is up
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Thanks. :)
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-11-06, 00:03
Preview for 19 is up
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Thanks a bunch for the preview notice! I loved it! Did I catch this right, or was "Houjou Teppei" asking a question in Dark Rika corner again? And Hanyuu ran away in the end! KAWAII!!!
seems like we'll really see Akasaka in the next episode! Can't wait for that to happen. Whoa, Hanyuu in school uniform is too moe!!! I couldn't help grinning when Rena's eyes shone in the background, haha. I want to take Oyashiro-sama home too!
Sterling01
2007-11-06, 00:30
I can't wait to see the reactions of people if they follow the story of Matsuribayashi-hen with no changes
Rika and Hanyuu not having their memories
and how the hell are they going to explain the reason for Akasaka being there if they don't use Piece #51
FlareKnight
2007-11-06, 00:52
Alright episode 18 is here and the good fight is close at hand.
Hmm I'd say the preview was surprising in seeing Akasaka, but after going through the thread seems he should've appeared earlier to appease. Didn't think he'd be playing a big role in this one since he wasn't around for long last time. Having him on side would be a big advantage in this fight.
Doesn't look bright for Satoshi. You could see him struggling so hard to hold onto himself. Guess after reaching the goal of that bear he couldn't hold on any longer. Even without hte curse wouldn't have suprirsed me to see him collapse under the burdens he carried. Considering he vanished doesn't seem like Ire could have saved him. Either the medication wasn't effective or Takano put her foot down on getting more data.
But finally, Keiichi has arrived! The long wait for Rika and Hanyuu since they got thrown back quite a whiles this time was worth it. With a major piece in play they can make their plans to fight back against Takano. He's definitely a key card in their deck. The ability to create miracles. Gotta love Rika "Keiichi's miracles often go wrong at important times" "Keiihi isn't at fault for that" to the finish, It's all Hanyuu's fault :D.
This is going to be an interesting battle to the finish. With Hanyuu getting physical and not just sitting back. Will finally get to be with the others instead of simply floating around and watching the friendships.
Looks like even Mion's grandmother was waiting for someone like Keiichi to show up. A fresh wind that could clear the problems like the treatment of the Houjo's away. Another example of why she was impressed by him and did everything she could to help him save Satoko.
From the previews, it looks like they are going straight into story instead of touching up the last few pieces, which probably means they might just get Akasaka to show up "randomly" like in Minagoroshi-hen, instead of the whole event in kakera-musubi...(which, kinda defeats the purpose of "setting the gameboard up for the last time", but then again, they never used the dice/gameboard imagery in the anime, unlike in the game)
And Teppei has appeared in the Dark Rika corner too much...it's like his 3rd time now :heh:
Deathkillz
2007-11-06, 01:23
wow...
so that was what happened to satoshi...takano is really cold blooded :heh:
its great to see the story unfold for one last time - with hanyuu being the final peace on the playing board we can only just wait to see how much of an effect she will have on the story. but it doesnt seem that k1 or the others have any memories of the previous killings...this might cause a problem.
and i cant believe im saying this...oni baba isnt such a bad person afterall O.O
FlareKnight
2007-11-06, 01:29
I'm at least relieved we finally can confirm what happened to Satoshi. I mean with everything from him vanishing to being killed at least we know. It's sad that he couldn't live on for Satoko's sake. But man they couldn't even let her have the bear? I mean come on. Knowing the Yamainu's ability to cover things up it's pretty safe to say they fed the story of Satoshi being seen at hte train station so it'd seem probable he ran away instead of being dissected.
Am worried about everyone not knowing. I'd hoped since they all stood together that their memories would stick for this last battle. Seems Rika will have her hands full trying to get them on side and setting up the fight again. She can't afford any mess ups since this has to be their last shot.
I'm with you Deathkillz, who would've guessed oni baba wasn't so bad? She starts off as this frightening old woman, but really wasn't so evil if you looked at things from her perspective and the role she had to play.
Sterling01
2007-11-06, 01:31
Why do people think Satoshi is dead? There is nothing in the episode to implicate that Takano did anything to Satoshi she was just making a comment to Irie
Kang Seung Jae
2007-11-06, 01:49
Why do people think Satoshi is dead? There is nothing in the episode to implicate that Takano did anything to Satoshi she was just making a comment to Irie
Exactly.
We're not sure until it's comfirmed.
Sterling01
2007-11-06, 01:56
People tend to over think things
Klashikari
2007-11-06, 05:09
Why do people think Satoshi is dead? There is nothing in the episode to implicate that Takano did anything to Satoshi she was just making a comment to Irie
I think people would obviously think that Satoshi is dead, or transformed into a vegetable/guinea pig, considering how Takano was so insistent with Satoko, as she was already preparing the dissection procedure, despite Satoko was not "lost" in the L5, unlike Satoshi.
If you add the fact that Irie cannot argue against Takano's authority about the true research of the Irie institution, it is normal to speculate that Satoshi was taken as a sample, as he is nearly bypassing the point of no return.
The yamainu obviously covered Satoshi's "escape" (the false satoshi at the train station, for instance). So instead of using the same "excuse" for hozpitiliazing Satoko, they simply did another Onikakushi. 1 whole year, and Satoshi didn't appear yet, despite the C103
you can tell there are many indications that Satoshi isn't exactly in a good situation.
Indeed, no confirmation, but it is the most obvious thing you can imagine after seeing this.
FlareKnight
2007-11-06, 09:09
Agree with Klashikari that things don't look good for Satoshi. If it was simply treating him then we would've heard something during the time we were looking at the series. Instead they made him 'vanish' and had his disapearance covered up. Either they attempted to treat him and the something went wrong or Takano got her way for another dissection.
Ire probably didn't have much choice on this one. He'd already shown the treatment could work so Takano could probably pull wanting to know more about the disease. Even if he wanted to help Satoshi there is a limit on his power in that situation.
Suppose its possible that he's alive, but doesn't look all that promising for him. Makes sense why they kept the bear from getting to Satoko when I think on it. Satoshi only had limited funds so if he bought the bear then he wouldn't have enough to escape. Wonder if they bought off the guy who sold it to keep quiet. Don't think it's a case of overthinking. Just looking at what we saw, Takano's desire for more information, and no sign of Satoshi during the series.
Not that I disliked the guy, but isn't much hope for him.
MezzoDragon
2007-11-06, 09:37
The preview was funny. Rena now has a third target. And in the corner, Chibi Hanyuu is making weird and silly sounds before sliding away. Rika, however, seems to have a serious hangover. Too much drinking, I assume.
LustigerAstronaut
2007-11-06, 12:14
Thanks a bunch for the preview notice! I loved it! Did I catch this right, or was "Houjou Teppei" asking a question in Dark Rika corner again? And Hanyuu ran away in the end! KAWAII!!!
Frequent enquirer H. Teppei is wondering about the true nature of Hanyuu. He heard that she's probably an alien from the M37 star cluster, and if that were true, is it possible for her to shoot beam rays from her breast, arms or her forehead? No wonder she run from that question :)
(Now, I don't think that M37 has a high probability to harbor intelligent life, it's estimated age is only about 300 million years. But about those beams, that's where I hope to learn more.)
Since the first series, i've always been quite amazed with Satoshi's character, so it was good to have more freedom with his character in this episode. At the moment i have no idea what's happened to him, though with how the first series was aiming at Satoshi's disappearance, i always thought it would have something to do with him leaving the village. Maybe it is that, i have no idea, though i do hope things regarding Satoshi will not be left like this, that's what i'm hoping.
Rika & Hanyuu scene dressed in white was rather unexpected, lovely scene.
Serenity85
2007-11-06, 13:00
Since the first series, i've always been quite amazed with Satoshi's character, so it was good to have more freedom with his character in this episode. At the moment i have no idea what's happened to him, though with how the first series was aiming at Satoshi's disappearance, i always thought it would have something to do with him leaving the village. Maybe it is that, i have no idea, though i do hope things regarding Satoshi will not be left like this, that's what i'm hoping.
Rika & Hanyuu scene dressed in white was rather unexpected, lovely scene.
Potential spolier, hint ... etc (all in the name of caution^^)
If they do the final showdown correct (and I think they will) You'll get your answer
Sterling01
2007-11-06, 13:00
Rika & Hanyuu scene dressed in white was rather unexpected, lovely scene.
That scene reminds me of the twins from the Shining
Potential spolier, hint ... etc (all in the name of caution^^)
I'll be staying away from that spoiler then. Thanks for the notification. :)
That scene reminds me of the twins from the Shining
Especially with the 'disappearing after' scene.
lol, Keiichi's dad definitely got a lolicon fetish or something. Have you seen the camera shots directed at the girls' chests during their conversation?
lol, Keiichi's dad definitely got a lolicon fetish or something. Have you seen the camera shots directed at the girls' chests during their conversation?
Definitely.
Rika: “…Mi-. There is a stranger who is looking at us while mumbling about difficult things.”
Hanyu: “Auauau. …Rika, that person is no stranger.”
Ichirou: “…huh? Whoa!! Oh, I…I’m so sorry!! No, no, I’m not a stranger. Wahahahaha…!”
Rika: “…Yet, his eyes are hooked to my breast and my legs. Nipa~☆”
Ichirou: “No, no, I wasn’t looking in there! Please don’t tell the station officer-!! I was using this mirror to fix my hair…!!”
Hanyu: “….Ahahahahaha. I don’t understand what you are talking about, but I’m sure it’s something very funny.”
Rika: “I guess father and son really are alike.”
BakaOnna
2007-11-06, 17:50
Definitely.Rika: “…Mi-. There is a stranger who is looking at us while mumbling about difficult things.”
Hanyu: “Auauau. …Rika, that person is no stranger.”
Ichirou: “…huh? Whoa!! Oh, I…I’m so sorry!! No, no, I’m not a stranger. Wahahahaha…!”
Rika: “…Yet, his eyes are hooked to my breast and my legs. Nipa~☆”
Ichirou: “No, no, I wasn’t looking in there! Please don’t tell the station officer-!! I was using this mirror to fix my hair…!!”
Hanyu: “….Ahahahahaha. I don’t understand what you are talking about, but I’m sure it’s something very funny.”
Rika: “I guess father and son really are alike.”
XD Does that mean Keiichi is also a lolicon. :heh:
kingsky123
2007-11-06, 18:03
i think its more like 'perverted'
MezzoDragon
2007-11-06, 18:14
If Ichirou wants to tape a bust, Rika is the last person he should point his camera at. Satoko is a better choice. She being an early bloomer.
FlareKnight
2007-11-06, 18:18
Haha excellent. :D So that's how Keiichi ends up moving and their plan to secure his arrival in this world. Make use of his father's 'preferences' to lure the family there :heh:. That's Rika for you willing to do whatever it takes for victory.
After seeing some things in the series (like the Nekogoroshi-hen episode) wouldn't surprise me that being a lolicon runs in the family.
XD Does that mean Keiichi is also a lolicon. :heh:
I think that the answer is yes (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=549477#post549477):
...Rika-chan being sent off to a specialized brothel for borrowing money... Oh shit...I think I'm starting to nosebleed~
Trogdor Jube
2007-11-06, 18:49
Lets hope they can do things right in 6 episodes.
Does anyone know the text size of Matsuribayashi? Just the Matsuribayashi world, not Miyo's past or the pieces.
In my personal opinion, which I'm sure is different from a lot of people's in this forum, this was the first superstandard (opposite of substandard) episode in a while. It was very eloquently paced. I loved the scene where onibaba and Mion talked, that was refreshing and revealed interesting sides to each of them. I hope they continue to spread the character development around through this final arc, and while I'm at it I might as well also hope they address that love triangle to some extent.
I thought one of the reasons for the Maebara moving was Keiichi's past incidents where he picked on girls. This wasn't shown to us in detail but I think he was bullying little girls, but nothing perverted of the sort. I don't see the transition on how he came about being a girl bully to become caring for Satoko in that specific arc. I think too many things are left unexplained. Either that or I missed it.
Klashikari
2007-11-07, 04:50
I thought one of the reasons for the Maebara moving was Keiichi's past incidents where he picked on girls. This wasn't shown to us in detail but I think he was bullying little girls, but nothing perverted of the sort. I don't see the transition on how he came about being a girl bully to become caring for Satoko in that specific arc. I think too many things are left unexplained. Either that or I missed it.
Yes, keiichi's erratic behaviour was one of the reasons, but his father wasn't exactly searching for anything specific. It is because of Rika and Hanyuu that he made up his mind.
Also, no, Keiichi wasn't a "girl bully", but simply a "bully". Any target was fine, but he grew a liking on bullying children, because they were helpless.
Tatarigoroshi-hen already "explained" why Keiichi is so devoted: When he was admitted at his new school (for genius and such) he was very proficient, to the point of being bullied as well. He didn't have any friend, and his disinterest in studies was the reason how he was attracted by model guns etc.
Thus, it isn't exactly Satoko alone, but all of his friends: because they are his first true friends, he is doing his best to save them all. That is the reason why he was so caring for satoko, but also confronting "lethal situations" with "mion" and rena, in Watanagashi-hen/Meakashi-hen and Tsumihoroboshi-hen.
dspr8_rugged
2007-11-07, 09:12
Gave this episode an 8.
This episode managed to answer some of my questions that are still unanswered, especially about Satoshi. His fate is unclear, although IMO, nothing "good" is going to happen to him after that scene in the clinic.
Oryou kept saying about the coming of a "fresh air", but seeing her in a relatively calm and kind mode is what really call "a breath of fresh air." She actually made it look like Keiichi is made up of GAR.
Anyway, loved the preview. Seeing Rena's eyes flash at the sight of Hanyuu - I can't imagine how she'll go haywire (in a good way) when she gets near the mysterious transfer student. Can't wait. :heh:
kingsky123
2007-11-07, 09:14
the oruyo scene was like the only one that was translated fully imo . that scene i had no complaints (in this episode ) . they really gimped on rena's past :(
DEEN hates Rena. They cut up anything about her. They want Keiichi to be with Mion.
MezzoDragon
2007-11-07, 09:39
Can anyone explain the preview? Hanyuu was making silly sounds as the end. And then ran away with a zoom. Also, it seems Rika had a major hangover.
DEEN hates Rena. They cut up anything about her. They want Keiichi to be with Mion.I honestly cannot decide who I'd like K1 to end up with.. both Rena and Mion have grown on me...
After reading the Pieces...
I'm really saddened not to see Akasaka in this ep... his 'regret' at the end of "A Sliver of a Piece" made me cry...
Sterling01
2007-11-07, 10:16
DEEN hates Rena. They cut up anything about her. They want Keiichi to be with Mion.
So do most Higurashi Doujin writers not that I blame them
MezzoDragon
2007-11-07, 10:24
Mion should have Keiichi. That will help Shion and Satoshi having a discount during their double wedding. Beside, Rena can just marry her Kenta doll.
FlareKnight
2007-11-07, 10:28
It was nice to see Oryou in such a kind state. After a lot of being angry and threatening to take people out with cleavers this was nice. Could see how she got along with Mion in less public circumstances. Who knew Keiichi had so much being put on him before he even moved in :).
Sadly with only so many episodes something has to be cut along the way. Rena is one who suffers a bit there, to whcih I'm glad we've got this forum to fill in the blanks.
In terms of who Keiichi should end up with...Honestly been so focused on them getting out of this alive that hasn't been a chief concern. Both Rena and Mion have their charm and connection to Keiichi so I probably wouldn't be bothered either way. Might give a slight preference to Mion but it isn't huge.
Heck give it a few years down the road that aren't in time loops and he can get together with Rika. At least you know that if Keiichi impresses in this world (and if they save the village that should be right) then Oryou will be pushing for a KeiichixMion finish as well.
Sterling01
2007-11-07, 10:42
Takano might even make the choice for us
Miko Miko
2007-11-07, 12:35
I like this episode, though what gets me is there is no explination of that woman at the end of 17.. :twitch: :D
Sterling01
2007-11-07, 13:08
I like this episode, though what gets me is there is no explination of that woman at the end of 17.. :twitch: :D
That's how it is in the game
DEEN hates Rena. They cut up anything about her. They want Keiichi to be with Mion.
I can imagine Higurashi as a high school romance series.
& if i had to choose one of the girls to end up with Keiichi (it's not like i want to, 'cause i don't see anything like that happening in this series), then it would have to be Mion.
DEEN hates Rena. They cut up anything about her. They want Keiichi to be with Mion.I always wondered why Rena had such a small role in the show, guess this explains everything.
Klashikari
2007-11-07, 14:56
Well... in term of "shaft", almost every character got their share.
Mion didn't have much, since her story is linked with shion.
Meanwhile, Rena's development is more on a long span, so it is rather harder to flesh her out. That said, I can't see how it is some favoritism for Mion, as both characters are shown "cared equally", and I think Keiichi displayed a much more blatant side to Rena, unlike to Mion (the doll scene isn't exactly convincing considering that Keiichi actually doesn't consider her like a girl)
the "love flags" are however quite toned down for everyone else, except for Shion and Satoshi (well, things were much more serious for Keiichi and Satoko so)
BakaOnna
2007-11-07, 15:03
Eh, I don't know why but I thought this episode felt kinda... cluncky. The flow felt weird... maybe because I read many of ep. 18's Pieces exactly before I watched the episode.
I was also disappointed that they didn't show Rena's monologues during the Red Pill and Rena Ryuuguu pieces, and the lack of Akasaka. I guess its because of the time restraint.
Also, why is it that we never get to see Ichirou's face? I wished he looked like his manga counterpart. Showings of a true artist. :heh:
Satoshi's teddy bear is huge. o_o
I wonder if it ever got so Satoko...
The problem is that DEEN is more focused at the horror + fanservice portions, and often neglecting the minor details because of that. For the first few question arcs, that approach is acceptable, since it's what the game is about (Onikakushi-hen DID started out with the premise of a dating-sim-ish setting, as Ryukkishi07 has stated before. It was a plan to hook people onto the murder mystery portions)
However, now that we have moved into the answer arcs, DEEN is still doing the same thing. Granted, we do see what's going on, since it is essentiel as the plot is finally unfolded. However, the much minor details are still neglected, to give room to the horror aspects. For example, ep18 we have a long sequence explaining what really happened to Satoshi after he killed his aunt. It is important to show what happened to him, but not so much that it takes up so much time that the other pieces are just mentioned briefly.
And the thing with Akasaka keeps poping up in discussion, and really, they didn't gimp Akasaka. He doesn't show up until later, as he's not even in the village during the 5 years of events. All you needed to know about Akasaka is already covered in Himatsubushi-hen.
k//eternal
2007-11-07, 15:40
The way I see it, if everyone didn't keep dying, Keiichi would end up with Mion and Rena in different worlds.
FlareKnight
2007-11-07, 15:46
Satoshi's teddy bear is huge. o_o
I wonder if it ever got so Satoko...
I'm doubtful she ever got the bear. After all the cover story was that Satoshi ran off using the money he'd saved up. If he used it all for the bear he wouldn't have enough left over and the story would have some problems. So they probably said someone else bought the bear, had said bear destroyed, and put out that story. It's too bad she didn't get it but that's how I think it went.
Probably does depend on the world who he would end up with. If depending on the situation different characters can be pushed to L5 then it would stand to reason Keiichi could end up with either. If this is to be the last world and they move forward. Then his interactions here will give a final decision on that argument. Since if they all died in other worlds it really doesn't matter all that much.
I'm doubtful she ever got the bear. After all the cover story was that Satoshi ran off using the money he'd saved up. If he used it all for the bear he wouldn't have enough left over and the story would have some problems. So they probably said someone else bought the bear, had said bear destroyed, and put out that story. It's too bad she didn't get it but that's how I think it went.
That's just too sad... ;_;
Satoko just seems to move from one tragedy to another, I really hope she gets a happy ending eventually.
Miko Miko
2007-11-07, 16:17
That's how it is in the game
i see, but does it ever explain who she is at any point?
18 felt a little less flowy than the last 2 episodes. Still, as a first time Higurashi watcher, I love to see all of these pieces fitting together. Even the smallest of things in the story are beginning to make sense. I was surprised to see that the club was made just for Satoko's sake. I thought it was just there without any real relevence to the story.
I just wish that they would have said something more about how Rena bashed all the windows in her previous school. I mean, I understand it pretty much about how she was L5 at the time and was triggered by her mother, but I just wish they would have showed it. Ah well.
So do most Higurashi Doujin writers not that I blame them
07th Expansion organized a vote on which is the most popular pair of characters (http://when-they-cry.net/Cgi/vote/ke_c2/ke_c2.htm) in Higurashi. Keiichi and Rena came first with 25.5% of the votes, barely inching out Keiichi and Mion, who got 25.3%. Keiichi and Rika were third with 7.4% and Satoshi and Mion fourth with 5.8%.
It was nice to see Oryou in such a kind state. After a lot of being angry and threatening to take people out with cleavers this was nice. Could see how she got along with Mion in less public circumstances. Who knew Keiichi had so much being put on him before he even moved in :).
Oryou is in a rather sad position. Since she's the head of the local yakuza she needs to seem as harsh as possible when in public in order to have people fear her. She can't even be with her daughter in public since she had to disown her. Despite being the most powerful individual in Hinamizawa, she has very little freedom on how to live her life.
And the thing with Akasaka keeps poping up in discussion, and really, they didn't gimp Akasaka. He doesn't show up until later, as he's not even in the village during the 5 years of events. All you needed to know about Akasaka is already covered in Himatsubushi-hen.
He's the 51 piece and they showed 50b which is after it.
FlareKnight
2007-11-07, 18:12
That's just too sad... ;_;
Satoko just seems to move from one tragedy to another, I really hope she gets a happy ending eventually.
Yeah no arguments here. It's a tragic tale for the poor girl that just doesn't get any brighter with the background information. Pushed so far into L5 that she killed her mother and step-father, gets constantly into fights with her aunt, brother goes missing (probably dead), and in the worst case her uncles returns to continue the torment.
Do hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel for her as well. She has had a lot of terrible things happen to her so it would be nice to get a chance to live happily with her friends.
07th Expansion organized a vote on which is the most popular pair of characters (http://when-they-cry.net/Cgi/vote/ke_c2/ke_c2.htm) in Higurashi. Keiichi and Rena came first with 25.5% of the votes, barely inching out Keiichi and Mion, who got 25.3%. Keiichi and Rika were third with 7.4% and Satoshi and Mion fourth with 5.8%.
Yeah a tight battle for the top spot. Seems a lot of people couldn't pick a clear winner in the battle for Keiichi :). A twelve vote difference right there. Who would've thought that the off-handed remark of Keiichi-Rika would grab third place. Maybe oddly enough Keiichi-Satoshi grabbed 9th spot. :heh:
Oryou is in a rather sad position. Since she's the head of the local yakuza she needs to seem as harsh as possible when in public in order to have people fear her. She can't even be with her daughter in public since she had to disown her. Despite being the most powerful individual in Hinamizawa, she has very little freedom on how to live her life.
It's a rough spot for the woman to be in. She's stuck in the role she is forced to play. Has to appear tough and harsh or else there could be some serious problems. Even being forced to do that distinguishing to her grand-daughter Shion which must've been heart wrenching for her. She let both twins live even if it wasn't something she was supposed to do.
Probably is one of the less free people living in the village. The family may be powerful but being that powerful requires restrictions on their lives.
BakaOnna
2007-11-07, 18:26
07th Expansion organized a vote on which is the most popular pair of characters (http://when-they-cry.net/Cgi/vote/ke_c2/ke_c2.htm) in Higurashi. Keiichi and Rena came first with 25.5% of the votes, barely inching out Keiichi and Mion, who got 25.3%. Keiichi and Rika were third with 7.4% and Satoshi and Mion fourth with 5.8%.
The expressions for Shion/Mion match is hilarious. :heh:
I prefer Keiichi/Rena, but Keiichi/Mion is fine too.
The expressions for Shion/Mion match is hilarious. :heh:
I prefer Keiichi/Rena, but Keiichi/Mion is fine too.
Rika doesn't look happy to be paired with Keiichi.
K1/Mion forever here.
It doesn't hurt that she's possibly the sanest of the whole damn group, either. XP And imagine their love life!
Sterling01
2007-11-07, 18:41
So do most Higurashi Doujin writers not that I blame them
07th Expansion organized a vote on which is the most popular pair of characters (http://when-they-cry.net/Cgi/vote/ke_c2/ke_c2.htm) in Higurashi. Keiichi and Rena came first with 25.5% of the votes, barely inching out Keiichi and Mion, who got 25.3%. Keiichi and Rika were third with 7.4% and Satoshi and Mion fourth with 5.8%.
You do know I mean H Doujin.
HashiriyaR32
2007-11-07, 18:58
HAHAHAHA!! Hanyuu being taken home (EP19 preview) made me ROFL!!
FlareKnight
2007-11-07, 19:22
Nice, a tie for 14th with Chiyo and curry. :) Wouldn't count much on the facial expressions since Takano and Rika are both smiles. Though I'm sure she'd be surprised to get third place in the poll.
Regardless agree that Hanyuu being taken home will be excellent. No more watching the show, time to get involved.
Grimkill7
2007-11-07, 20:53
Nice, a tie for 14th with Chiyo and curry. :) Wouldn't count much on the facial expressions since Takano and Rika are both smiles. Though I'm sure she'd be surprised to get third place in the poll.
Regardless agree that Hanyuu being taken home will be excellent. No more watching the show, time to get involved.
I thought that was Ciel until you said otherwise.
MezzoDragon
2007-11-07, 20:58
Although at fifth place, it seems Satoko and Rika make the best yuri couple. At least, if you go by this pole.
FlareKnight
2007-11-07, 21:07
I thought that was Ciel until you said otherwise.
Well I was guessing from memory. One sub used Chie, the point is about the curry not my memory. :heh:
It's a tough yuri battle with Satoko and Rika just edging out Hanyuu and Rika.
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-11-07, 21:09
if it has to be yuri, then I'd prefer Hanyuu/Rika, haha
that was so off-topic. About Satoshi, I don't think the last episode made it clear either way. He can be alive, he can be dead. Who knows? (those who play the game, haha)
thanks for the rough translation of the ep 19 preview. Hanyuu shooting light beams from her forehead, arms and breasts!? No wonder she had to run away from that one. I mean, who wouldn't? Teppei has such naughty naughty thoughts...
I thought that was Ciel until you said otherwise.
What you thought was correct as well; after all, they're the same person. :)
Although at fifth place, it seems Satoko and Rika make the best yuri couple. At least, if you go by this pole.
Running the comments page through Google Translator indicates that quite a few of the comments commend their deep friendship, so it isn't just yuri fans that voted for these two.
Anyone else disppointed by the answer to Satoshi's disappearance mystery? I mean, it was set up as pretty much the biggest mystery after the identity of the mastermind and it turned out it was basically a repetition of the events of the first year of the "curse".
Also, Oryou's speech about outsiders coming into the village was way too melodramamatic and over the top for my taste, you'd think Jesus Christ himself was going to settle in Hinamizawa. :heh:
Sterling01
2007-11-07, 21:57
Anyone else disppointed by the answer to Satoshi's disappearance mystery? I mean, it was set up as pretty much the biggest mystery after the identity of the mastermind and it turned out it was basically a repetition of the events of the first year of the "curse".
We don't know what happened to Satoshi
Also, Oryou's speech about outsiders coming into the village was way too melodramamatic and over the top for my taste, you'd think Jesus Christ himself was going to settle in Hinamizawa. :heh:
Didn't you know Keiichi IS Jesus Christ
Didn't you know Keiichi IS Jesus Christ
And Akasaka is John the Baptist? :D
Sterling01
2007-11-07, 22:19
Also Takano is Judas Iscariot
Zippicus
2007-11-07, 22:24
About Satoshi...
It's true that we don't know what exactly happened to him. In all the previous arcs he goes missing after most likely taking out his aunt via baseball bat. We see in this episode that he's at L5 + in custody of the clinic + Takano happy about her new "gift" , I think everyone can agree that it's pretty much a worst case scenario for him at this point. The only reason Satako is still alive at this point is because of the injections she has to take all the time. If Satoshi left at this point he would eventually die from the syndrome. I would think that if they were intending to give Satoshi treatment there would be no need to make it seem like he left. Whether he is able to be saved or not is certainly still up in the air.
FlareKnight
2007-11-07, 22:32
Anyone else disppointed by the answer to Satoshi's disappearance mystery? I mean, it was set up as pretty much the biggest mystery after the identity of the mastermind and it turned out it was basically a repetition of the events of the first year of the "curse".
Yeah was almost expecting something huge and shocking. Or at least the guy still being alive. But of course we would've thought something big like an actual curse behind the deaths of Rika's parents. But that ended up as a simple murder by Takano...well one of many. It was a mystery, but I guess sometimes even those can have less blowing you out of the water solutions.
I'm just amazed Ire can even be around Satoko after what happened with Satoshi. Not like this was a stranger you could try to put aside. Ire knew him and his sister.
Also, Oryou's speech about outsiders coming into the village was way too melodramamatic and over the top for my taste, you'd think Jesus Christ himself was going to settle in Hinamizawa. :heh:
Well Keiichi isn't far off from that aloft hope. The man has the power to smash fate, don't mess with him :).
We don't know what happened to Satoshi
Come on. We didn't see Rika's father get poisoned, but we know he was murdered. Didn't see what happened to Rika's mother or see Satoko push her mother and step-father over the edge. Just because we didn't see him get dissected, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
If he was alive he would've been seen again. Either Ire could treat him and he spends a few weeks in the clinic recovering. Or Takano gets her way and he's dissected. Since there is no sign of him and pretty clear her shock troops created a false story of him leaving he's gone.
Maybe I was a bit over the top, but we don't need to see a murder for it to happen. Unlike many series where if we didn't see it happen the question is up in the air. This is Higurashi, people die....often. If he actually is alive I'll be blown away. But it feels way too clear that he has to be dead. Ire doesn't have any strong reasons to keep Takano from her dissection other than he doesn't want to do it. He's got the treatment and tested it.
Also Takano is Judas Iscariot
Don't you mean Satan? Lucifer? Hitler!? We're talking bottom of the barrel of evil here. She's definitely a step up from Judas.
Nice broke the 2,000 post mark. Took a while since I took some long breaks between 2004 and now.
Rayneing
2007-11-07, 22:43
Something to note - Satoshi tried to claw out his own throat. Satoko didn't. His conditions were worse, and the treatment might take a longer time.
FlareKnight
2007-11-08, 01:03
But I thought Keiichi was Jesus? :p.
Since I want to find out via the show will avoid spoilers and the speculation shall continue. Though there isn't much to speculate about, he's either alive or he isn't Until he shows up in the show and dances around I'm sticking with dead. Just seems more likely that way. If he was being treated I wouldn't see the need for a coverup. Satoko looked terrible when she was taken in so unless he was jumping off walls no reason not to tell anyone. Unless they shipped him off to a loony bin in Alabama.
Though there isn't much to speculate about, he's either alive or he isn't That just made me think of this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=681487&postcount=15)
:heh:
I always thought it was Hanyuu who died for our sins and then rose from the dead. :p
Sorrow-K
2007-11-08, 06:46
Also Takano is Judas Iscariot
I'm just continually gob-smacked by how well written this story is, but I did have a problem with this ep, and that was that they didn't bother explaining Suigintou. I guess, ultimately, it doesn't matter all that much, since she's just a plot device to keep Takano in motion, but the idea of a force driving an evil character forward and the conspiracy that goes along with it is just such a tantalizing one, that it's a real pity they're not going to run with it and explore it further.
Satoshi, Rena, Maebara, Oryou... there's so much amazing stuff in this plot. It lacks linearity (exemplified by this ep, which jumped from subplot to subplot), but it somehow turns that into a strength. It's like a thick soup of intrigue (that's officially my weirdest analogy for the day). I don't care if the anime has been watered down from the game, this is still one of the best stories I've seen in anime for a long time.
kingsky123
2007-11-08, 08:57
the old lady wanted whoever came to wreck havoc was thinking about her husband i remember a line mion said
" are you talking bout grandpa again"
ferthepoet
2007-11-08, 09:42
I´m surprised nobody has asked this yet so can anyone explain the timeline of this pieces with regard to Rika and Hanyuu (as oposed to the chronology in regard of people who does not live outside time)..... Hanyuu apeared in flesh to Keichis Father, but was seen as a ghost when Keichi arrived, when Keichi arrived Hanyuu and Rika had their memories from last arc, however they were supposed not to be able to go so back in time.... Are we supposed to deduce Rika told Onibaba about the importance of getting a new wind from the city and if so how did they get Keichi to move in the worlds before they knew that he was the one that could break fate........ for instance how did they met Keichi if his father was only convinced to move to hinamizawa because of them....
sorry for the long post but I´m strictly confused
I'm just continually gob-smacked by how well written this story is, but I did have a problem with this ep, and that was that they didn't bother explaining Suigintou. I guess, ultimately, it doesn't matter all that much, since she's just a plot device to keep Takano in motion, but the idea of a force driving an evil character forward and the conspiracy that goes along with it is just such a tantalizing one, that it's a real pity they're not going to run with it and explore it further.
There isn't much to explain. She's a member of the faction that was headed by Koizumi which has lost power after his death. As a result of his death they've lost control over the Irie Institution, along with a number of other projects and organizations to an opposing faction. Triggering the disaster will damage the standing of the opposing faction since they'll be forced to order the elimination of 2000 civilians. Thus her job is to convince Takano to kill Rika and then implement the disaster. Since she does that in the end of episode 17, she no longer has any role to play in the story.
k//eternal
2007-11-08, 10:10
That, and she's Suigintou. 'Nuff said.
That, and she's Suigintou. 'Nuff said....who makes Takano her medium.. :D :uhoh: :heh:
FlareKnight
2007-11-08, 12:13
Yeah figured that woman was the one who gave Takano the idea to kill off Rika and cause the slaughter. Sad to see so many lives being lost due to a power struggle all the way out there. Of course killing a village for her grandfather and his research isn't a big deal so works out for the both of them.
Interesting now that Hanyuu's serious she can go solid and phase out as necessary. Will be a big piece now in solving this situation. Just hope Rika doesn't have huge problems getting everyone on side. Hard to predict how things will turn out, but with this being the final battle they need to focus on stopping Takano from accomplishing her plans.
Agree the story of this series has been excellent. Always did a good job of keeping one wondering what was going on and changing theories on the source of all the problems going on here. Not much further to go in order to reach the finish line. But some hurdles still going to be in the way.
Yeah figured that woman was the one who gave Takano the idea to kill off Rika and cause the slaughter. Sad to see so many lives being lost due to a power struggle all the way out there. Of course killing a village for her grandfather and his research isn't a big deal so works out for the both of them.
Interesting now that Hanyuu's serious she can go solid and phase out as necessary.
I would guess in the anime version now that Rika and Hanyuu's conversation was not in fact a standard part of the past that brought Keiichi to Hinamazawa. Instead it was them trying to make sure he came, because sometimes in the random permutations of the decision-making process, he wouldn't come.
Kisuke06
2007-11-08, 16:58
Incredible, it looks like Oryou knew what Keiichi would do for the village. Hearing her saying what she said made me think that she was waiting some kind of prophet. And I guess Keiichi can be described with that word, somewhat.
FlareKnight
2007-11-08, 17:23
Seems like a smart move by Rika and Hanyuu. After all they can't afford to have things go worst case like Keiichi not showing up period. Nothing wrong with making sure that goes well. If it means luring in Keiichi's father, can't hurt.
Oryou did seem almost prophetic right there that's for sure. Guess even she lucked out with someone like Keiichi showing up. Someone who could step up and help change the village and break the problems in the village. Though of course not even she realized the dangerous times that were ahead.
kingsky123
2007-11-08, 18:51
I´m surprised nobody has asked this yet so can anyone explain the timeline of this pieces with regard to Rika and Hanyuu (as oposed to the chronology in regard of people who does not live outside time)..... Hanyuu apeared in flesh to Keichis Father, but was seen as a ghost when Keichi arrived, when Keichi arrived Hanyuu and Rika had their memories from last arc, however they were supposed not to be able to go so back in time.... Are we supposed to deduce Rika told Onibaba about the importance of getting a new wind from the city and if so how did they get Keichi to move in the worlds before they knew that he was the one that could break fate........ for instance how did they met Keichi if his father was only convinced to move to hinamizawa because of them....
sorry for the long post but I´m strictly confused
no rika didnt tell onibaba about anything she wanted change herself as she was awoken by the ill treatment of the houjou children. as for how rika and hanyuu appearing with the father... i have no idea lol
The only good explaination for Hanyuu's "materialization" is that...well she had the power to do it, and just did it. Either that, or Ichiro was L5. (It's pretty much impossible for Ichiro to be in L5, then miracously recovered when he went away...)
From Hanyuu and Rika's conversation we know that Keiichi moving to the village isn't a set event, and thus they have been playing in the fields to attract Ichiro's attention, which proved to greatly improve the chances of Keiichi appearing. Thus we can assume (?) that in the worlds where Keiichi showed up, Hanyuu and Rika played in the fields, and this is not limited to only to Matsuribayashi-hen. Also, Rika has expressed that the worlds in which Keiichi doesn't appear are the ones that are the most boring, and if that view is also shared by our spectator god Hanyuu, then it makes sense for Hanyuu to help out.
As to why Hanyuu doesn't stay "materialized"...is another mystery. Perhaps there's a time limit, or maybe she enjoyed floating around more.
FlareKnight
2007-11-09, 00:38
Well I'm thinking that Hanyuu can materialize now, because she's gotten together her fighting spirit. Maybe looking at it in a mind over matter situation. She really believed that she was just an observer that couldn't do anything, but send Rika back over and over again. Her resolve to fight against Takano with the others may have been what it took to pull that off. Could also be that she is using the last of the energy to throw them back all this way and to materialize in order help.
Think the arrival of Keiichi is usually pretty set. But Rika has mentioned the odd time when he didn't show up. So in order to make sure that happened she and Hanyuu went where from previous experience she knew Ichiro would be. Knowing what she would have to say in order to make it a guarantee.
It's not just that the world's without Keiichi are boring. It's that they are the worst case scenario. Far beyond Satoko's Uncle returning in terms of disaster rating. Because Keiichi is the key to miracles happening. Without him there is no hope of accomplishing anything. As we know a 'new wind' was required to change things. Keiichi can change things there as he did when he got Oryou to help Satoko. So getting Keiichi there is one of the most important things that must be done for success.
The only good explaination for Hanyuu's "materialization" is that...well she had the power to do it, and just did it. Either that, or Ichiro was L5. (It's pretty much impossible for Ichiro to be in L5, then miracously recovered when he went away...)
From Hanyuu and Rika's conversation we know that Keiichi moving to the village isn't a set event, and thus they have been playing in the fields to attract Ichiro's attention, which proved to greatly improve the chances of Keiichi appearing. Thus we can assume (?) that in the worlds where Keiichi showed up, Hanyuu and Rika played in the fields, and this is not limited to only to Matsuribayashi-hen.
They'd have to know about Keiichi before they'd bother to ply his father with their loliness, so I conclude that even without them, he probably would have come anyway.
Well I'm thinking that Hanyuu can materialize now, because she's gotten together her fighting spirit. Maybe looking at it in a mind over matter situation. She really believed that she was just an observer that couldn't do anything, but send Rika back over and over again. Her resolve to fight against Takano with the others may have been what it took to pull that off. Could also be that she is using the last of the energy to throw them back all this way and to materialize in order help.
Think the arrival of Keiichi is usually pretty set. But Rika has mentioned the odd time when he didn't show up. So in order to make sure that happened she and Hanyuu went where from previous experience she knew Ichiro would be. Knowing what she would have to say in order to make it a guarantee.
It's not just that the world's without Keiichi are boring. It's that they are the worst case scenario. Far beyond Satoko's Uncle returning in terms of disaster rating. Because Keiichi is the key to miracles happening. Without him there is no hope of accomplishing anything. As we know a 'new wind' was required to change things. Keiichi can change things there as he did when he got Oryou to help Satoko. So getting Keiichi there is one of the most important things that must be done for success.
It's true that Hanyuu's resolve has something to do with the materialization (preview of ep19), but it doesn't explain why she would appear in the previous worlds that she also materialized just to get Keiichi to help out
If you are considering that this event ONLY happened in Matsuribayashi-hen, since the game text never stated if this was a one time only event or happened many times, then it's weird that Rika looped back to a time before the Maebara moved in, as we know that her loopback time gets closer to the festival everytime. So in the end, it's really a mystery why Ichiro was able to see Hanyuu.
As to Keiichi not showing = worse case scenario...that's a bit extreme. It's true that he plays a crucial role, as demostarted in Minagoroshi-hen; he is also the much needed "new wind". However, think about all the times he didn't do much, as he only started to affect the 3 rules starting the end of Tsumihoroboshi-hen. Rika has also expressed her suprise that Keiichi was able to convince Rena in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, as she always thought that he was kinda useless (Minagoroshi-hen intro)
If Keiichi didn't show up, Onikakushi-hen and Watanagashi/Meakashi would not occur. Things could just go quietly until Rule Y kicks in, or maybe Satoko/Rena would succumb to Rule X. Think Yakusamashi-hen but take away all the parts with Keiichi in it. Either way, Rika gets killed "as usual". The difference is of course, the club activities wouldn't be as fun, and many events like the dessert festival battle wouldn't occur.
They'd have to know about Keiichi before they'd bother to ply his father with their loliness, so I conclude that even without them, he probably would have come anyway.
Check ´piece #33 and piece #41 in the putting the pieces together thread. In the case off #41, you may only want to read the first half.
Liddo-kun
2007-11-09, 05:57
Yeah figured that woman was the one who gave Takano the idea to kill off Rika and cause the slaughter. Sad to see so many lives being lost due to a power struggle all the way out there. Of course killing a village for her grandfather and his research isn't a big deal so works out for the both of them.
Interesting now that Hanyuu's serious she can go solid and phase out as necessary. Will be a big piece now in solving this situation. Just hope Rika doesn't have huge problems getting everyone on side. Hard to predict how things will turn out, but with this being the final battle they need to focus on stopping Takano from accomplishing her plans.
Agree the story of this series has been excellent. Always did a good job of keeping one wondering what was going on and changing theories on the source of all the problems going on here. Not much further to go in order to reach the finish line. But some hurdles still going to be in the way.
Agreed, the series has been excellent since last year.
Though now that it's drawing to a close and mysteries being solved one after another.
It's a bit sad Higurashi is nearing the final episode. :(
@Episode 18
They won't need to stop only Takano, that mystery woman might have a backup plan in case Takano fails her.
They won't need to stop only Takano, that mystery woman might have a backup plan in case Takano fails her.
I think that's doubtful. Her faction has lost most of its power. The only person that was willing to ally with her from within the Irie Institution is Takano (and by extension the Yamainu). If Takano's plan is exposed, then the group that succeeded Koizumi's faction will have both the means and the desire to stop them.
theacefrehley
2007-11-09, 07:35
In Hanyuu and Rika's talk in the end of this episode, they talk about "smashing takano's will"
So, we can assume that it's after Minagoroshi-hen world, since they already know who is the mastermind
But at the time of that talk, Keiichi was just entering the school in Hinamizawa
Did Hanyuu's loopback powers got recharged so that she could go back in time longer than in Minagoroshi?
Or in Matsuribayashi-hen world, Keiichi moves to Hinamizawa around the time of the festival?
CelestialShadow
2007-11-09, 08:33
Hmm i'm a bit confused.
i understand that the last 3 episodes were based on the puzzle minigame (kakera musubi) in the original sound novel, but are ALL the "pieces" viewed in hanyuu's eyes or just some of them and the rest are just facts presented to us? if it is the former, i would have thought rika would be optimistic enough in her first few "tries" in the first few "worlds" to get hanyuu to find the culprit - unless hanyuu was already pessimistic even then.
If rika and hanyuu had the opportunity to travel back to several yrs b4 1983, why didn't they try to change certain events (such as but not limited to averting satoshi's fate). Granted they did certain things such as raising the chances of maebara moving over. My guess is that they didn't want to screw up things for their battle in 1983 and the fact rika is just a kid physically but i just have a feeling that they could have done more. in some sense, it's as if she gave up saving her parents, satoko's parents, satoshi etc.
Also, why did hanyuu still insist on apologising to rena and satoshi? didn't she learn enough from the previous worlds that her actions only worsen their deteriorating mental state? (or is this specific part just a pure flashback)
Klashikari
2007-11-09, 08:49
Hmm i'm a bit confused.
i understand that the last 3 episodes were based on the puzzle minigame (kakera musubi) in the original sound novel, but are ALL the "pieces" viewed in hanyuu's eyes or just some of them and the rest are just facts presented to us? if it is the former, i would have thought rika would be optimistic enough in her first few "tries" in the first few "worlds" to get hanyuu to find the culprit - unless hanyuu was already pessimistic even then.
As stated by the start of Kakera Musubi (in the game), the pieces are shown through Hanyuu's eyes. And yes, she was rather nihilist for a good amount of time already.
If rika and hanyuu had the opportunity to travel back to several yrs b4 1983, why didn't they try to change certain events (such as but not limited to averting satoshi's fate). Granted they did certain things such as raising the chances of maebara moving over. My guess is that they didn't want to screw up things for their battle in 1983 and the fact rika is just a kid physically but i just have a feeling that they could have done more. in some sense, it's as if she gave up saving her parents, satoko's parents, satoshi etc. Some events cannot be averted. As demonstrated in many chapters, Rika already tried to prevent things all the time. Her best success was probably that Akasaka is alive (as he doesn't have a high chance of survival in the events of himatsubushi-hen, 5 years prior)
you also kinda answered your own question: Rika doesn't have the physical abilities nor the "age" sufficient to avert things. for the first case, it isn't possible to prevent the "murder" of the dam managed. For the second, she has no possibility to accompagn the houjou couple (especially considering they are outcast, so Rika would hardly be able to follow them).
For the third instance, we don't even know how the yamainu/takano killed both her parents. And finally, for Satoshi... nope, not possible as he acted during the festival, and Rika was trapped.
Rika has near to none range of action in the past, and can barely salvage/guarantee some factors to occur (Akasaka, Keiichi, etc).
Also, why did hanyuu still insist on apologising to rena and satoshi? didn't she learn enough from the previous worlds that her actions only worsen their deteriorating mental state? (or is this specific part just a pure flashback)It is hard to tell if Hanyuu knows it or not.
However, don't forget that hanyuu "saved" Rena. As you could see, Rena cut her wrists and she was in fact commiting suicide (staying in a hot bath prevents the blood to coagulate, and the dizzy feeling from it will prevent the pain to kick in. It might even knock the person into sleep/drowsiness).
If Hanyuu didn't freaked her out (on/without purpose), Rena might be dead by now.
Hanyuu isn't trying to put everything worse, but since she is helpless, she cannot do much except apologizing in her corner.
Kanzaki Urumi
2007-11-09, 10:05
oh ok, hanyuu was the one making those footstep sound? I thought it was one of the symptoms of the hinamizawa disease...
Klashikari
2007-11-09, 10:15
One symptom of the Hinamizawa syndrome is in fact being sensitive to hanyuu actions, being able to hear her noises and voice (as demonstrated with Satoko who could hear her saying "i'm sorry").
This is the same for Keiichi in Onikakushi-hen, when he was clawing out his throat. (and obviously, Shion in the Ritual Tools Chamber, and other moments)
MezzoDragon
2007-11-09, 10:36
Hanyuu needs to say something aside from "I'm sorry" during those encounters. That could prevent extreme paranoia. If anything, it will make her stop sounding like a broken record.
Klashikari
2007-11-09, 10:38
well... the problem is actually if... she didn't try it before.
And since people are paranoid, ANYTHING can turn them even more crazy, so "i'm sorry" or anything else make the matter worse :x
FlareKnight
2007-11-09, 17:11
If you are considering that this event ONLY happened in Matsuribayashi-hen, since the game text never stated if this was a one time only event or happened many times, then it's weird that Rika looped back to a time before the Maebara moved in, as we know that her loopback time gets closer to the festival everytime. So in the end, it's really a mystery why Ichiro was able to see Hanyuu.
Well since I only have what I've seen with the anime it's guess work on my side. But seems that everyone coming together before getting sent back mgiht of gotten Hanyuu some sort of boost. Either that or deciding to gamble everything on this last world pulling her reserves to toss herself as far back as possible.
Really working on the belief that everything we've seen has been from this throw back. At least this is the only way I've been able to rationalize Rika coming this far back. Don't think it's looking to the previous times when Rika was still able to go far back.
As to Keiichi not showing = worse case scenario...that's a bit extreme. It's true that he plays a crucial role, as demostarted in Minagoroshi-hen; he is also the much needed "new wind". However, think about all the times he didn't do much, as he only started to affect the 3 rules starting the end of Tsumihoroboshi-hen. Rika has also expressed her suprise that Keiichi was able to convince Rena in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, as she always thought that he was kinda useless (Minagoroshi-hen intro)
Well we have seen that if everyone isn't working together then there isn't any hope. Thus if one of them is not there completely it really is the worst case scenario. Even Satoko's uncle coming back while bad can be overcome with a group effort. But can't do anything if someone doesn't come there period.
Rika started to appreciate the importance of his showing up thus the comment that him not moving there was the worst situation. While there were worlds he didn't play a crucial role his presence meant there was a chance of him playing a role. Rika doesn't have a way out without him.
I'll give Hanyuu some slack. Since she just wants to apologize for not being able to do anything at this point. Did a good job at saving Rena from suicide, since losing her would be a major loss for the group's efforts.
Still 19 can't come quick enough. Finally time to start making some moves against Takano. Rika will have to play things smart. Series has been full of mysteries and questions, but now we're at the point where a battle for victory is going to be the major mission.
oh ok, hanyuu was the one making those footstep sound? I thought it was one of the symptoms of the hinamizawa disease...
My question about this is... doesn't Hanyuu 'float' most of the time or at least some of the time? If she's 'floating' then why are there extra footsteps? :heh:
Rayneing
2007-11-09, 17:35
She usually seems to be on the ground to me. She just kinda fades in at times, but I don't think we've ever actually seen her float.
She usually seems to be on the ground to me. She just kinda fades in at times, but I don't think we've ever actually seen her float.
Don't have my Higurashi eps on hand right now to check to exact ep but... See that time when Rika is running to stop Takano and Tomitake from entering the Saiguden right after she's finished her performance at the Watanagashi.. Hanyuu is floating behind her.
Or is Hanyuu floating another anime version mess-up? :heh:
LesAmiesNoir
2007-11-10, 10:54
I have a request to upload episode 15 and upwards in DvIX format, otheriwse I download only sound and no image. Please?
kingsky123
2007-11-10, 10:55
Don't have my Higurashi eps on hand right now to check to exact ep but... See that time when Rika is running to stop Takano and Tomitake from entering the Saiguden right after she's finished her performance at the Watanagashi.. Hanyuu is floating behind her.
Or is Hanyuu floating another anime version mess-up? :heh:
well in the higurashi daybreak, hanyuu floats :P
Klashikari
2007-11-10, 12:06
only for dash ^^"
aside of this, she usually walks so..."
If Hanyuu is immaterial than how can she make sounds while walking?
I guess it'll be one of Higurashi's great mysteries. :heh:
Nobody noticed that Hanyuu was spying on Rena while she was taking a bath naked? : D
GyroidFanatic
2007-11-10, 23:07
I have a request to upload episode 15 and upwards in DvIX format, otheriwse I download only sound and no image. Please?
Download CCCP:
http://www.cccp-project.net/
MezzoDragon
2007-11-10, 23:24
Nobody noticed that Hanyuu was spying on Rena while she was taking a bath naked? : D
I was just waiting for someone to mention it. I wonder when we are going to get fan art that parodies that scene.
Ill be the first to parody it >3 I hope.
Sinestra
2007-11-12, 09:07
It seems to me the stronger the Hanyuu's resovle the more she can materialize and the less it is or the more negative she gets the less visible she becomes. Hope is a powerful weapon.
champbaka
2007-11-12, 12:37
Well, reading the comments here answers my numerous question about the timeline and about Hanyuu's constant "gomenasai". So the anime decided to move about a year back from the end of Minagoroshi-hen. Wouldn't this mean they have go through everything again? From saving Satoko, preventing the various arcs from occuring or will they fast forward after saving Satoko?
Anyway, personally I want MionXKeiichi couple, since they would WIN co-ruling Hinamizawa together. Also I see many hints that Keiichi having something for Mion, in Minagoroshi-hen he did say that "Face it. To me, you are pretty much like a girl" when giving the doll to Mion. Yeah, in Watanagashi/Meakashi-hen he say he didn't see Mion as a girl, but he was still pretty much an idiot and didn't go through much development yet. Also Keiichi did try to say something to Mion before dying in the end of Minagoroshi-hen. Don't know, just seems to me like Mion and Keiichi are a perfect couple.
Btw, I think someone mentioned unabling to see Higurashi as a high-school romance - think about School days.
Klashikari
2007-11-13, 14:25
Well, reading the comments here answers my numerous question about the timeline and about Hanyuu's constant "gomenasai". So the anime decided to move about a year back from the end of Minagoroshi-hen. Wouldn't this mean they have go through everything again? From saving Satoko, preventing the various arcs from occuring or will they fast forward after saving Satoko?
That will depend. As you could see in various instances, the arcs happen only with specific trigger. Matsuribayashi-hen might have some similarities or not. We shall see.
Anyway, personally I want MionXKeiichi couple, since they would WIN co-ruling Hinamizawa together. Also I see many hints that Keiichi having something for Mion, in Minagoroshi-hen he did say that "Face it. To me, you are pretty much like a girl" when giving the doll to Mion. Yeah, in Watanagashi/Meakashi-hen he say he didn't see Mion as a girl, but he was still pretty much an idiot and didn't go through much development yet. Also Keiichi did try to say something to Mion before dying in the end of Minagoroshi-hen. Don't know, just seems to me like Mion and Keiichi are a perfect couple. Something to "counter" that: this is only anime material. Actually in the game, Keiichi used several excuses to give the doll, and never admitted that Mion was a girl (in fact, he used the argument "as my buddy, you must accept and take care of my present". something of that sort). Even Rika/Frederica was a bit puzzled, but the tragedy was prevented, nevertherless.
I guess Ryukishi is having fun to spread some hints for any possible couple in the pack :heh:
Btw, I think someone mentioned unabling to see Higurashi as a high-school romance - think about School days.Please no... Higurashi has nothing to do with SD, not even remotely. It would be quite ridiculous to actually do a parody...
guh... i'm FINALLY done... dang, 2 days late for this. Anyway, here is the usual entry
Episode 18: Analysis (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-18-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
Usual stuff, except that I uploaded... THE BGM for the piece 51! this gives it great justice ! ^^
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