Clannad - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[monir]

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[toxic_trance]

yatta yatta... episode 06.. Kotomi-chan please

[Kang Seung Jae]

Founder's Day.....

Such an important date in Clannad.....

[dgreater1]

School Foundation Day... such an important event... a very important event that:will ruin Tomoya's already ruined schedule I can't wait for my favorite character to appear but I think she wouldn't be in this episode as well.

:heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:

[Mirrinus]

So...is that Patrick the Starfish I see guest starring in this episode? >.>

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2006%20-%20Large%2021.jpg

[Klashikari]

as usual heh...

Episode 6: Bullet Summary and Screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/clannad-episode-6/)
edit: screencaps are uploaded now

Gotta post my thoughts later, but the visual quality of this episode is a bit "under the standards". Nothing severe, but quite noticeable compared to the other episodes.

[Shiroth]

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6375/01hp8.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2543/02ou4.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2963/03pv0.jpg

I'm speechless.

Nice Tomoyo After extra.

[Kinny Riddle]

Sometimes I amaze meself. First to place vote for the Shana ep over there, I find myself first again to place the vote for Clannad. :eyespin:

Anyway, KYO-ANI SAIKO!!! I consider myself a "moderate" Kyo-Ani admirer, but even I have to go rabid at the effort they put into faithfulness, comedy, and script.

- Sanae gets inspiration from Fuuko and makes a whole load of Starfish Bread (TM). But Akio says "Sanae, you're definitely the cutest girl around, BUT YOUR BREAD SUCKS~~~~!!!" (Runs away)

Poor Sanae-san

- Fuuko comes out and goes into her "Fuuko Trance" when being surrounded by all the Starfish Bread (TM). Tomoya realizes Fuuko has been sealed by a magical barrier of starfishes. If she is left unattended, then she'll remain in static motion...

Many centuries later, when the world is ruled is ruled by demi-humans, a traveller discovers what used to be Furukawa Bakery and summons the Legendary Starfish Sorceress in order to save humanity from destruction...Final Starfish Sorceress Fuuko! - COMING SOON!

I'm pleased Kyo-Ani actually animated the whole "Final Starfish Sorceress Fuuko" scene.

- While she's at it, Fuuko has mastered her second Fuuko Trance skill "Drink Juice With Nose".

- Fuuko begins to get popular in the school with her actions, she's even got a Fuuko Fanclub. (Their leader is voiced by none other than Shiraishi Minoru. lol )

- While discussing how to have Kouko-san meet Fuuko in Founder's Day, Sunohara butts in. Fuuko declines his offer to help, so Sunohara decides to challenge her to a duel.

Nagisa: No! You mustn't!
Tomoya: She's right! Do you want to get kicked down the dust chute again?

LMAO

- Anyway, the challenge is to see who can carve a strange creature as described by Sunohara first. Though Fuuko decides to carve Keropi (Nayuki's frog doll) instead. Just when Sunohara thought he'll win, he cuts his finger, so he loses by default.

(To our favourite Kyo-Ani critic Kaioshin: Before you go around shouting "MINDLESS PRODUCT PLACEMENT AGAIN!?" Bear in mind that in the original scene Fuuko carved a Doraemon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doraemon) instead, Kyo-Ani obviously has to make changes due to copyright reasons. So if you want to make a "product placement" accusation, do it to the original writers of the game. )

- Nagisa: It feels like we're like Fuuko's parents...Ah! (blush)
Kawaii~ :love:

- Upon seeing Yoshino Yuusuke, Tomoya realizes that's the Yuusuke Fuuko was talking about.

- Tomoya and Nagisa finally persuade Kouko-san to come on Founder's Day. Nagisa is unable to hold back her tears that her voice is unrecognizable. (Good job to Nakahara Mai!) You have to see it to see why it's actually funny.

- Fuuko's weird dream with Tomoya gets the animated treatment. She sure looks cute in her swimsuit.

- Fuuko uses Founder's Day to give as many starfishes as she can. Along the way, she masters the "Switch Places Unknowingly While in Trance" Skill, which involves seeing Fuuko, Kyou, Ryou and Nagisa in maid costumes! :love: :love: :love:

Good use of the starfish/hitotoe pun
Nagisa: I'll help out as well, since there isn't enough people (hitote).
Fuuko: There isn't enough starfishes (hitote) here!?

- Sunohara arrives to flirt with girls from other school. His first target is none other than Kanako from Tomoyo After, making a cameo here. (Though she's credited as "Female Student" here. )

He chases after her, but is stopped by a bear-suit person, who proceeds to kick him out of the window. As expected, the person in the bear-suit is none other than Tomoyo, whom Fuuko gives another starfish to.

- Fuuko finally gives a starfish to her ex-classmate Mitsui, who is moved by Fuuko's effort.

- Finally, KEY hits you when you're emotionally vulnerable after feeding you with a whole load of comedy: Kouko-san does not seem to be able to see Fuuko, as though she were invisible.

In terms of "astral projection powers", Ayu is more powerful in that she is able to project her image to EVERYONE, while Fuuko's is more limited. I'd like to add more, but it's all unrevealed spoilers, so I'll leave it.

If I can give this episode a 20/10, I would.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well alright, here we are again. I hope people will just keep an open mind on what I have to say.

After 6 eps, I'm still not liking any of the characters all that much, in fact I almost dislike most of them. It's hard to care about Tomoya or what his future is going to be like with him being another of those classic Key sarcastic teenager type leads, it's hard to like Youhei with his over the top alpha male wannabe personality (I also don't like his voice much) and Fuuko's moeness is just not working for me anymore. Thus, even if things do get more tragic, which they are bound to, and it's horrible to say it, but I don't think I'll care buy into the pathos for any of the characters.

The show continues to be absolute eye candy, and Fuuko on the beach in the one dreamish sequence was excellent loli fanservice, but...... I just don't feel anything for her. How is that? Something else good to say, something else..... Fuuko glowing with an aura of bubble stars is kind of amusing, and the overlays are unexpected, random and enhance the mood of some situations.

Still though, liking the characters is a key to enjoying a series, and none of that eye candy and fanservice is really going to help enhance my overall experience, if I can't get up about the average level because of this. If you like the characters that are featured, this episode is bound to be absolute heaven, but if not, what is it? I'm not sure really.

Now I'm sure I'll be countered on this point a number of times, but it's not going to help me like the characters more (redundancy). It's beyond the point of just disliking Youhei now. It's still early, and there's always room for building characters and plotlines (Gundam 00 took it's time as well) so we'll just have to see. Until then I'll have lots of pretty pictures to look at. Though I still can't give this episode anything higher than a 5 again.

And Kinny, we may not agree on a lot, but I didn't even say anything about the Keropi thing, that was a little uncalled for don't you think? In fact it's a strong enough tie between Kanon and Clannad that I can see it making sense, though not in terms of story significance. Though it may just be from my crossover card game experience blurring the lines between the two. Also, Air implied that Kanon exists in the same universe as it (at least in terms of the anime) with the Kanon character cameos, thus we can possibly assume the same for Clannad. Also I've decided to take a lighter approach to these kinds of things in recent months.

[Kinny Riddle]

I took the trouble of reading your post, be grateful I replied.

Well alright, here we are again. I hope people will just keep an open mind on what I have to say.

After 6 eps, I'm still not liking any of the characters all that much, in fact I almost dislike most of them.

That begs the ultimate question: So why are you still struggling to watch it if you can't like it? Of course, I don't want to be accused of driving you away from discussion, but if you choose to continue to suffer, it's your freedom.

The show continues to be absolute eye candy, and Fuuko on the beach in the one dreamish sequence was excellent loli fanservice, but...... I just don't feel anything for her. How is that? Something else good to say, something else.....

How about that scene was taken directly off the original word for word? Nobody's asking you to feel anything for her, that scene was supposed to be funny just with the words alone.


Still though, liking the characters is a key to enjoying a series, and none of that eye candy and fanservice is really going to help enhance my overall experience, if I can't get up about the average level because of this.

Again, forgive me for sounding like a seasoned Kagikko lording over a newbie, but eye candy? Fanservice? WHERE? (OK, maybe the swimsuits, but that's just minimal and non-revealing. ) All I see are the comedy interpreted EXACTLY as I have read them in the game. You're just making excuses for yourself for continuing your long suffering journey.

Now I'm sure I'll be countered on this point a number of times, but it's not going to help me like the characters more. It's beyond the point of just disliking Youhei now. It's still early, and there's always room for building characters and plotlines (Gundam 00 took it's time as well) so we'll just have to see. Until then I'll have lots of pretty pictures to look at. Though I still can't give this episode anything higher than a 5 again.

As expected, everytime Kyo-Ani goes up another level, we can always rely on our favourite Kyo-Ani critic to give the episode a patronising 5.

Since you're American, I will use baseball as an analogy: You're beginning to sound like a bitter Yankees fan moaning about every Red Sox win. (No offense to any Yankees fans out there. I don't watch baseball BTW. )

I shall respond no more.

[stonedzombie]

Well alright, here we are again. I hope people will just keep an open mind on what I have to say.

After 6 eps, I'm still not liking any of the characters all that much, in fact I almost dislike most of them. It's hard to care about Tomoya or what his future is going to be like with him being another of those classic Key sarcastic teenager type leads, it's hard to like Youhei with his over the top alpha male wannabe personality (I also don't like his voice much) and Fuuko's moeness is just not working for me anymore. Thus, even if things do get more tragic, which they are bound to, and it's horrible to say it, but I don't think I'll care buy into the pathos for any of the characters.

The show continues to be absolute eye candy, and Fuuko on the beach in the one dreamish sequence was excellent loli fanservice, but...... I just don't feel anything for her. How is that? Something else good to say, something else..... Fuuko glowing with an aura of bubble stars is kind of amusing, and the overlays are unexpected, random and enhance the mood of some situations.

Still though, liking the characters is a key to enjoying a series, and none of that eye candy and fanservice is really going to help enhance my overall experience, if I can't get up about the average level because of this. Now I'm sure I'll be countered on this point a number of times, but it's not going to help me like the characters more. It's beyond the point of just disliking Youhei now. It's still early, and there's always room for building characters and plotlines (Gundam 00 took it's time as well) so we'll just have to see. Until then I'll have lots of pretty pictures to look at. Though I still can't give this episode anything higher than a 5 again.

I'm pretty much having the same problem as you. Because I usually enjoy Key's works so much, I'm gonna try to stick with it.....at least until ep 13 to see if it picks up. Overall, yea.....I totally agree that its harder to get into the characters as much as other Key series. Also, the story is dragging a bit, Though lately its been getting better. On the bright side though, I think its the funniest Key anime to date, so thats one aspect of the show I'm absolutely enjoying. (btw, I haven't seen ep 6 yet.)



and Kinny: no need to BASH someone for simply stating their opinion.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I took the trouble of reading your post, be grateful I replied.



That begs the ultimate question: So why are you still struggling to watch it if you can't like it? Of course, I don't want to be accused of driving you away from discussion, but if you choose to continue to suffer, it's your freedom.



How about that scene was taken directly off the original word for word? Nobody's asking you to feel anything for her, that scene was supposed to be funny just with the words alone.



Again, forgive me for sounding like a seasoned Kagikko lording over a newbie, but eye candy? Fanservice? WHERE? All I see are the comedy interpreted EXACTLY as I have read them in the game. You're just making excuses for yourself for continuing your long suffering journey.



As expected, everytime Kyo-Ani goes up another level, we can always rely on our favourite Kyo-Ani critic to give the episode a patronising 5.

Since you're American, I will use baseball as an analogy: You're beginning to sound like a bitter Yankees fan moaning about every Red Sox win. (No offense to any Yankees fans out there. I don't watch baseball BTW. )

I shall respond no more.

I'm not American, I'm Canadian.:heh: You should have used a hockey example like me being upset that one of the only team too lose to this years awful Maple Leafs team, happened to be my favourite team, the Montreal Canadiens. How did they blow it?!

Anyway, I think that the proper interpretation of the characters is good fanservice. Considering a lot of studios penchant for altering the material to suit their standards, I would consider this shows approach to adaptation to be good fanservice (even if I don't happen to like them). That's still beside the point I'm trying to make though.

As for being a Kyoani critic, I don't really think that way anymore. I'm trying to put that behind me (and I do admit my past faults in that regard). I still have my review method though and I can't change that. I also completely understand your reasons for the way you voted, even though they're different from mine. The way I see it, there's no way you couldn't give it a ten, as I can see how it delivered for you and your passion for the Clannad story. We differ a lot in that regard though, that is, how we view the Clannad story and characters.

[Cyz]

Ara? Episode 6 already? Screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/11/08/clannad-06/) of ep. 6 courtesy of Random Curiosity. Pls. look at it at your own risk!

[Mirrinus]

Actually, I thought this exchange was fairly civilized, relatively speaking. This was actually a decent discussion that highlight different views and interpretations of characters, the definition of fanservice, and execution of the original story. Well, sort of. Or I'm just growing more and more jaded.

[Shinova]

That piano music playing at the end of the episode before the credits: is it also from the game? If it is, does it sound just like the game version or is it different?


On the episode and series in general: I'm still loving it. Lots of positives and practically no negatives I can gather so far. As expected of KyoAni. I don't judge works as good or bad though, so maybe my opinions don't appeal to some people. I see every series as a set of strengths and weaknesses, and believe there's something to be gained from every and any series. So my standards are really flexible.

The animation though does feel a little less than usual. I can't point out examples, but it does feel that way. Of course even so it's a whole level above practically everything else in the market right now.

[Shiroth]

That piano music playing at the end of the episode before the credits: is it also from the game? If it is, does it sound just like the game version or is it different?
If you mean the music that's played right before the ED, that's the fourth track on the original soundtrack, 'Machi, Toki no Nagare, Hito'. It's been played a few times already in the anime.

If you didn't already know, the anime adaptation is using the original games score.

[Shinova]

2nd question, is it exactly the same as from the original game score or did they remix it, edit it somewhat?

[Seair]

2nd question, is it exactly the same as from the original game score or did they remix it, edit it somewhat?

i think they did "cut" the music shorter from the original game version to fit into the anime scene. It is defintely not remixed or edited, but they might re-play and re-record the music with different equipments and instruments because it sounds with some effects that the game version doesnt have. As KyoAni's tradition, the BGMs in the anime of KANON, AIR, and CLANNAD are pretty much the same as the BGMs in the game. they rarely remix them or edit them.

[Shiroth]

i think they did cut the music shorter from the original game version to fit into the anime scene.
Cut isn't the word we should be using here, they just started playing the BGM at a different part, not right at the beginning.

[dgreater1]

that was a little uncalled for don't you think?

If you think that's uncalled for... then what about this?

What the, Firechick hasn't voted yet? I didn't find your sarcasm to be amusing at all, it has a hint of trying to hit an ego. At least I would choose someone who'll honestly vote 10 because they think positively about the show even though they haven't seen it. Well, anyway, I have nothing against you but sometimes you do things that are also uncalled for which is irritating people. ;)

Forgot to add, the AIR TV and KANON scene was funny, and also, how Sunohara accidentally cut his soft muscle.

[Seair]

Cut isn't the word we should be using here, they just started playing the BGM at a different part, not right at the beginning.

yeah, i agree. what you are saying is what i was trying to say. :)
oops~my bad :) thank you for point it out :)

[kct]

I thought I was seeing cameos from Spongebob or something for once.

[Kang Seung Jae]

- Nagisa: It feels like we're like Fuuko's parents...Ah! (blush)
Kawaii~ :love:

- Tomoya and Nagisa finally persuade Kouko-san to come on Founder's Day. Nagisa is unable to hold back her tears that her voice is unrecognizable. (Good job to Nakahara Mai!) You have to see it to see why it's actually funny.


Yes, those scenes are cute.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/blushnagisa.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/crynagisa.jpg

I can't wait for episode 7, because of this:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/episode7kotomi.jpg
KOTOMI-CHAN!

[Kaioshin Sama]

If you think that's uncalled for... then what about this?

What the, Firechick hasn't voted yet? I didn't find your sarcasm to be amusing at all, it has a hint of trying to hit an ego. At least I would choose someone who'll honestly vote 10 because they think positively about the show even though they haven't seen it. Well, anyway, I have nothing against you but sometimes you do things that are also uncalled for which is irritating people. ;)

Forgot to add, the AIR TV and KANON scene was funny, and also, how Sunohara accidentally cut his soft muscle.

Yeah, I know, it was meant to be a joke, but some people may not interprete it as such. In fact it's gone already.

Kinny Riddle, you said another thing that piqued my curiousity actually that I failed to address in my last post. It had to do with what you described as Kyoani levelling up and how despite this I gave the episode a 5.

The thing is, I don't really watch shows that way so it doesn't get factored into my ratings. Although I will comment on it from time to time in some of my blog articles, it generally has a net zero effect on my overall rating. Essentially, I watch shows to see what they can give me, what feelings they can inspire in me, not what the studio is doing for its image (although it doesn't hurt to comment on it like you did, nor to discuss it). After all, there's supposed to be a fourth wall in these animated productions that allows us to suspend our disbelief and acknowledge that while there is indeed a force guiding all the things that are happening, we aren't supposed to factor it's presence into the work itself as if it were an acknowledged presence within the closed world of the production. I can't really explain it better than this, but if asked I'll try.

In this regard I guess you can say I see things in a sort of inversion of the famous J.F.K quote. Essentially I "Ask not what I can do for the studio, but what the studio can do for me". In this case it isn't working out quite as well as I would like to see.

Thus, in this case where the story is a straight up adaptation, I'm concerned with those elements which compose the story and characters, not so much how they are adapted, although in some cases it can definitely help make a good anime. Would I give props for a good adaptation? absolutely. Perhaps they did level up in some regard today. Does that factor into my overall rating? If it does, it's like maybe 1% only.

To use your RPG analogy, what I would like to see is for the characters to "Level Up" in my eyes. As far as I can tell though, they haven't been getting much experience points up till now. Nagisa is like a level 10, Kyou is a level 8, Fuko is a level 4, Tomoyo is a level 11, Tomoya is a level 3, and Youhei has yet to earn even one experience point in my eyes.

[velocity7]

- Sunohara arrives to flirt with girls from other school. His first target is none other than Kanako from Tomoyo After, making a cameo here. (Though she's credited as "Female Student" here. )

He chases after her, but is stopped by a bear-suit person, who proceeds to kick him out of the window. As expected, the person in the bear-suit is none other than Tomoyo, whom Fuuko gives another starfish to.

Interesting, I knew I recognized her from somewhere. :heh:
Having said that, if we have a finalized Kanako design, that would be it. Also funnier is that Tomoyo got in the way just at the right moment... it could be because:
She knows Kanako is her brother's girlfriend, or rather, ex-girlfriend.
Having said so, I don't see Tomoyo After happening at all unless Kyoto Animation allows for an alternate universe.

[Leo_Otaku]

Highly enjoyable epsiode as mentioned before Kanako in there was quite amusing XD.
Can't wait till next week ^-^ As well I really am enjoying the extra remixing of the themes. I love Fuko's theme and hearing it so many ways is great ^-^

[Seair]

Interesting, I knew I recognized her from somewhere. :heh:
Having said that, if we have a finalized Kanako design, that would be it. Also funnier is that Tomoyo got in the way just at the right moment... it could be because:
She knows Kanako is her brother's girlfriend, or rather, ex-girlfriend.
Having said so, I don't see Tomoyo After happening at all unless Kyoto Animation allows for an alternate universe.


i will say ex-girlfirend, because by that time, the accident has already happened. and they should have already broken up :heh:

and one funny thing is that Nagisa is two years older than Tomoyo since this is Nagisa's second time for 12th grade and Tomoyo is at her 11th grade. and let's assume Kanako is at least one year younger than Tomoyo (about the same age as her bro) then Nagisa is at least three years older than Kanako. but guess what...you can go back and see, Kanako is much taller than Nagisa,,,:heh:

and yeah, i agree that the Tomoyo After TV is not going to happen. they can cut H theme, but it is way off CLANNAD's track...it is in "alternate universe" indeed.:heh:



well...i still think KyoAni use "the same height" BGM too early!!!
they should wait until the 3on3...
i wonder are they really going to play Ana at the Fuko's final theme at the wedding?

[panzerfan]

Perhaps Kaioshin was reminded of characters from AIR with Clannad ep.6... although that would be purely speculation.

I personally do enjoy this episode. The pacing I think is actually better handled than Kanon to me. KyoAni is working with a limited amount of episodes to cover the whole story, but the flow was pleasant and did not overload me as a viewer.

[Shinova]

Forgot to add, the AIR TV and KANON scene was funny, and also, how Sunohara accidentally cut his soft muscle.

AIR TV and KANON scene???

[panzerfan]

AIR TV scene: Okazaki saikou!
Kanon TV: Keropi.

[dgreater1]

AIR TV and KANON scene???

The Kunisaki Saiko! Erm... Okazaki Saiko! And that keropii... But anyway, I think I made a mistake by using scene :heh: it's a reference :D

[Seair]

one more for AIR: :)

http://photo11.yupoo.com/20071109/094919_1242636929.jpg

[dgreater1]

Yukito must be planning on making money out of those student because it's a festival :heh::heh::heh::heh:

[Mirrinus]

Speaking of AIR references, I bet I can convince a lot of people that this was a scene from AIR:

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2006%20-%20Large%2022.jpg

It's the hair color, in that lighting...

[Decagon]

Having no prior knowledge of anything CLANNAD, this ep was mostly just a collection of moe and small, fun jokes to me. It was nice seeing the growing positive reaction of the student body to Fuko's efforts, but I can't help but feel put off by the pacing--it feels like appear today, popular tomorrow. Maybe the transition screens aren't imparting enough time dilation into my brain. I liked the ep, but even with all the warm development and revelation at the end, it didn't feel spectacular.

[toxic_trance]

KITTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Eclipse Sub OUT ^_^

[Kinny Riddle]

one more for AIR: :)

http://photo11.yupoo.com/20071109/094919_1242636929.jpg
Oh my goodness.

But...


Shouldn't he already be a crow flying looking for the flying girl by now? :cool:

[Klashikari]

Very nice episode, as there are various events, and most characters were interacting naturally, despite the clear focus on Fuko.
(no botan though >_>)

I'm fairly impressed how the scripters were able to pull a gradual heartwarming mood in this episode, with obvious hardship and chemistry between the characters (especially NagisaxFuko and the feint romance hints between Nagisa and Tomoya, who wasn't "cold frozen" when she spoke about them being like fuko's parents)

The only bad side of this episode is probably the noticeable drop of the quality, especially the Sakuga. There are various instances that the characters are much less detailed than before, though it is still topgrade most of the time (unlike some current series... who said "the teacher" for shana II?).
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/th_CLANNADep06055.jpg (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/CLANNADep06055.jpg)http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/th_CLANNADep06056.jpg (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/CLANNADep06056.jpg)

the second picture is very much self explanatory. Not really nitpicking, but the overal quality (even close up) lost their lively colors and sharp details. It isn't that bad, but it is actually some "budget" sides.

Pleasant episode, nevetherless, and a big door for the drama for next week. 8 in my books :)

[EXEs]

I'm suprised nobody said this yet, but Kyou and her sister in the meido cafe look at lot like Kagami and Tsukasa.

[Takuto19]

Great episode, i really liked some the park with Fuko and Mitsui, was great, i feel there should be more moment's like this, seems the comedy part of the series might be going away soon, like it did with Kanon (well less of it anyway).

Also pleased to see more Kotomi in next weeks episode :)

[Ascaloth]

Watched the TWH-Sprocket sub of Episode 6.

A pretty nice episode, this is. Not as uproariously funny as previous episodes, but most of the scenes made me chuckle. And again, this episode does a good job at hitting the viewer when they least expect it.

That said, the animation quality did take a noticable dip during the meido cafe scenes, as others have already pointed out; very likely it's to compensate for the kami-sakuga KyoAni pulled out on the "Final Starfish Wielder" and the "beach" scene. Otherwise, a solid 8 for this episode.

Blog article coming soon.

[FatPianoBoy]

Ooh, it seems like they're really following through with Fuuko Master. I was wondering if (and how) they'd incorporate that.

[grey_moon]

I found the last scene of this episode to be unbelievably sad :(


It really struck me how Nagisa and Tomoya's hopes were crushed when they realised that Fuuko's sister couldn't see her, but I wonder how did it feel for Fuuko. When I think about that I feel very sad *sniffle*

Looking forward to how they deal with Fuuko's sister not being able to see her next epi.

Clannad has so many funny things in it. All of Tomaya's stories are funny, the level ups are funny and so many other little things.

Nagisa was so cute when she tried to keep in her emotions, but Tomaya's excuse of her needing the toilet made me laugh.

Great find on Yukito guest appearance, I had no chance of spotting that!

Clannad is fast storming its way into my top 5 all time favourites, if it keeps up its pace I'll have to change my list to have Key/KyoAni works or else there will be no room for anything else.

[KaneDragon]

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5586/snapshot20071109111031tx9.th.jpg (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20071109111031tx9.jpg)
He said it. He just had to say it... :p At first, when Fuko's sister wasn't seeming to recognize her, I thought that maybe Fuko really was some random squirrel or something impersonating Fuko... :uhoh: but then I realized that this didn't make any sense. :heh:

Sanae is adorable as usual.

I was amused by the "unsealing Fuko" part, but I wonder what the exact reference is that I'm missing...
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1605/snapshot20071109102942rd6.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20071109102942rd6.jpg)
And of course, "And for some reason, my thirst is quenched!" :D

Loved the Nagisa x Tomoya "we're just like mother and father" part. Hehe. Tomoya looked unusually depressed at the end, though...

[FatPianoBoy]

He said it. He just had to say it... :p
Lots of nods to other Key stuff here :heh:

I was amused by the "unsealing Fuko" part, but I wonder what the exact reference is that I'm missing...
Looks similar to the Final Fantasy logo to me - especially that translucent bit behind the big stuff.

[Deathkillz]

oh wow...pretty nice ep even if the humor wasnt as great as last week's.

nagisa's little overdramatic episode was kinda funny...and wth is up with that lame excuse XD

*cough* but what i did find a little disturbing was the fact that tomoya and nagisa arranged for fuko and her sister to meet...did the thought even come to them what would happen if she was able to see her?

"oh hi...im your sister, fuko"
"wh...wh...wh..." *screams* *faints*

:heh:

tomoya making sanae cry...twice! kill him ^^

[GoldAlchemist]

Another good episode of Clannad. Seems like Tomoyo's kick of the week is going to stay for awhile. By the way, we get a new variation in this episode. I just hope that by the time Clannad ends, someone would collect all those kicks and make a M@D with them.

[Calawain]

I enjoyed the episode, but Fuko is my least favorite of the main heroines. I'm much more of a Kyou fanboy here. However, the development for Fuko was solid by itself and I can see some major tension and drama with the next episode or two theoretically closing out her story. Once again the art and animation was excellent, they are certainly pulling out all the stops for this show. Looking forward to next week as always =)

[todkapuz]

although probably echoed many times in the thread.... I loved the whole pre-titles part.... Sanae-san's amazing up and down moods.. matched perfectly with the background .....

"Naturally, since he was confessing his love to his daughter's friend"

The two other-world Fuko bits were great (several hundred years and starfish festival)


And we need more Nagisa, Fuuko, et al in waitress/maid outfits :)

Fuuko's eyes after hearing they were short on starfish ... er I mean help ... :)

So how do I sign up for the Fuuko-fanclub?

Still want to see more of Kotomi-chan~~~~~~ hope I dont have to wait tooooo long.

[toxic_trance]

Although I want to comment on all the comedy..but the last scene simply stole the show for me. SIMPLY AWESOME!!! Cant wait for next week. And more so..seems like, there is atleast 2 more episodes left for Fuko arc.

PS: Kotomi-chan next week :love:

[Skyfall]

Well ... a decent episode, though nothing special either. As usual with Fuko, we get some pretty nice comedy but when it is time to turn the drama on i feel like turning the sleep mode on. When the only emotion the episode managed to get out of me was *shrug, so what ?* , i know a character has failed to grow on me completely.

What i am looking towards is the explaination why Fuko's sister is the only who can't see her ... everyone else seems to just fine, so i am interested in how this gets explained.

Starfish bread ... haha, even Akio couldn't take that one it seems :) Though personally i don't think they looked bad at all ... unless he has developed an allergy to starfishes while Fuko is staying over :) Sanae's mood swings at the very start were funny to observe :)

I am a bit disappointed in Nagisa ... thinking that chimera was real ... nooo, please don't go down the path of Fuko in mental age :upset:

Animation quality seems to have taken a nosedive this week, as it seemed a pretty budget saving ep at times. Nothing bad on tha grand scale of course, but quite low by the usual standards of KyoAni.

Can't say that much about this ep besides: waiting for the next one and hoping the Fuko arc will come to a closure.

[Divini]

Main Char / Supporting Char[TH]
Okazaki Tomoya
Furukawa Nagisa
Ibuki Fuuko
Sunohara Youhei
Ibuki Kouko
Furukawa Sanae
Sakagami Tomoyo
Fujibayashi Ryou
Yoshino Yuuske
Fujibayashi Kyou
Furukawa Akio
21:07
17:35
15:32
3:47
2:15
1:18
1:11
0:44
0:40
0:36
0:14


Main Char / Supporting Char
Okazaki Tomoya
Furukawa Nagisa
Ibuki Fuuko
Sunohara Youhei
Fujibayashi Ryou
Fujibayashi Kyou
Sakagami Tomoyo
Furukawa Sanae
Furukawa Akio
Ibuki Kouko
(Mysterious Girl / Voice)
Ichinose Kotomi
Miyazawa Yukine
Yoshino Yuuske
Botan
Mitsui
Tomoya no Otou-san
Sagara Misae2:02:12
1:13:04
38:13
33:03
14:39
13:22
11:18
10:19
6:17
5:03
4:46
2:50
2:38
2:37
2:20
1:32
1:05
1:01


*Fuko pulls ahead of Sunohara for 3rd!


Quick thoughts on episode 6:

- Sanae's swinging mood with the BGM changes was a nice touch. :heh: Poor Sanae. :(

- Fuko's imagination is official on par with Tomoya's

- "Alright I did it this time!" ~You have mastered "Shooting Juice..."~
"Okazaki-san!"

- Fuko has her own official fan club! And I thought Tomoyo would be the first to get one.:uhoh:

- "Yeah. Or else you'll get kicked down a dust chute again!"
"No!! And is it already decided that I'll lose?"
I think part of what makes Tomoya's jokes so funny is how he can keep a straight face. :cool:

- Tomoyo's face with a bear suit :D

- I have to say that Ibuki-sensei not seeing Fuko was expected, but it was unexpectedly sadder than I thought.

[FireChick]

I just finished episode 6 and...Oh snap!:twitch:

Kouko can't see her! Holy cow! I bet I know where this is going!

[Kristen]

Although I want to comment on all the comedy..but the last scene simply stole the show for me. SIMPLY AWESOME!!! Cant wait for next week. And more so..seems like, there is atleast 2 more episodes left for Fuko arc.

PS: Kotomi-chan next week :love:

If there's going to be at least 2 more episodes, then we're in trouble. 24 episodes, with the first 4 introductory, and they'll need at least 4 to do the after story... That'll leave 16 episodes to do 5 storylines in (With 4 of Fuuko), unless they are planning to skip Yukine, Kotomi, Tomoyo, Kyou, or Nagisa.

Come on... Clannad After Story in October 2008? Please, Kyoto animations?

[Solafighter]

Great episode. :)

[Zarn]

This series is a masterpiece. The characters are so well presented and their personalities fit so well together. The art is outstanding, just the way I like it. The music is absolutely great, all of it. The seiyuus are doing an awesome job. I honestly can't recall liking an anime so much before, guess you can't ignore some things can you. :D

This episode along with the other 5 gets a perfect 10 from me. I only hope we'll focus more on Tomoya and Nagisa and less on Fuko-chan (even though she's adorable indeed) and it definitely seems that it goes that way. :)

Bottom line: GIEF MOAR!

[Seair]

If there's going to be at least 2 more episodes, then we're in trouble. 24 episodes, with the first 4 introductory, and they'll need at least 4 to do the after story... That'll leave 16 episodes to do 5 storylines in (With 4 of Fuuko), unless they are planning to skip Yukine, Kotomi, Tomoyo, Kyou, or Nagisa.

Come on... Clannad After Story in October 2008? Please, Kyoto animations?

i think there are two possibities now.

plan A: all 24 episodes are all for school arc, do not include AS. and make a OVA for AS only afterwards.

plan B: like what they did in Kanon, after intro, just "kill" the character one by one quick, each one takes 3-4 episodes. now let's say, totally 16 for 5 storylines, and 4 for intro now, and let's "wish" they can finish AS in last 4 episodes...

i will vote for plan A...:heh:

[holyman282]

Well ... a decent episode, though nothing special either. As usual with Fuko, we get some pretty nice comedy but when it is time to turn the drama on i feel like turning the sleep mode on. When the only emotion the episode managed to get out of me was *shrug, so what ?* , i know a character has failed to grow on me completely.

You know what I felt the same for most of this ep too, Fuko's story still just doesn't connect for me.... I'm actually finding the basis for her actions less emotionally engaging then the whole "it reminds me of Ayu from Kanon" thing.

I mean giving starfishes so that people would attend your sister's wedding?!:twitch: I think they could of done something a little better then just so that people would go to a wedding...

Still overall it's a good ep and it did tug my heartstrings a little bit near the end when Ibuki-sensei couldn't see Fuko, the way in which the camera moved and the scenes it showed was really nice, the music at that scene was good too.. Maybe I'll get to like Fuko soon since it's growing on me:heh:

[toxic_trance]

I think the main reason why Fuko doesnt connect with people is because they feel they have seen the same with Ayu before. Although, I personally felt unattached too in the start, but now the story doesnt seem very similar to Ayu. I think we can expect more, although I wish we were done with Fuko arc by next week, but the promo doesnt suggest so.

Anyway, the comedy as usual kicked ass. And Kanako looked very cute. (Hoping for Tomoyo After adaptation >.<)

The serious part was brought out real well. But the only disappointing point would be that next week shows that comedy will be there..and I wanted a total "death by tears" episode next week. Neway, something sad or sweet is gonna happen soon, so i just need to brace myself

[Takuto19]

Yeah i agree, i prefer more tear-jerking episode than comedy, they did Kanon really well and hoping the comedy dies back abit for more emotional scenes.

[gab_rey]

Pretty decent episode. The last scene was pretty sad.

Her sister cant see her. Poor Fuko.:(

[Sorrow-K]

Great episode. There was a bit of all the stuff that makes Key stories so compelling at their peak: comedy, romance, touching gestures, and a touch of pathos. Even though I wasn't taken in by Fuko's story last week, I am now. I think part of the reason for that is that it isn't exclusively Fuko's story. While she is the focus, there's still enough comings and goings between the other characters to keep many of the other (somewhat more interesting) subplots progressing. So it manages to feel more genuinely like a story of several characters, just that Fuko's life right now is more important/interesting than everyone else's, rather than a modular arc where everyone but Fuko falls off the face of the earth, as we saw in some of the Kanon arcs. I think I like this approach better, and somehow (not sure how exactly) it's worked as a strength for this particular arc, and made it more compelling than it was, at least for me. The incredibly talented directing also helps, though... There's an air of experimentalism in Ishihara's camera work, but you get the impression that he's always in control.

Speaking of AIR references, I bet I can convince a lot of people that this was a scene from AIR:

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20-%2006%20-%20Large%2022.jpg

It's the hair color, in that lighting...
Nah, I don't think so.
oh wow...pretty nice ep even if the humor wasnt as great as last week's.

nagisa's little overdramatic episode was kinda funny...and wth is up with that lame excuse XD

*cough* but what i did find a little disturbing was the fact that tomoya and nagisa arranged for fuko and her sister to meet...did the thought even come to them what would happen if she was able to see her?

"oh hi...im your sister, fuko"
"wh...wh...wh..." *screams* *faints*

:heh:

tomoya making sanae cry...twice! kill him ^^
A touching reunion, that's what happens. I mean, as if that won't be the culmination of this arc. :p
You know what I felt the same for most of this ep too, Fuko's story still just doesn't connect for me.... I'm actually finding the basis for her actions less emotionally engaging then the whole "it reminds me of Ayu from Kanon" thing.

I mean giving starfishes so that people would attend your sister's wedding?!:twitch: I think they could of done something a little better then just so that people would go to a wedding...

Still overall it's a good ep and it did tug my heartstrings a little bit near the end when Ibuki-sensei couldn't see Fuko, the way in which the camera moved and the scenes it showed was really nice, the music at that scene was good too.. Maybe I'll get to like Fuko soon since it's growing on me:heh:
It's not the action itself that's important, it's the magnitude of it. Giving a random stranger a carved starfish to try to get them to come to your sister's wedding probably doesn't mean much, and will probably get you a strange look, but the fact that Fuko has made a bundle of these starfishes and is trying to give them out to everyone in the school (as many of the students are starting to recognize) is what gives the whole thing meaning. That's what Mitsui realized, I think, and that's why her attitude to the whole thing changed.

[FlareKnight]

Didn't take more than a second to realize Fuko's sister couldn't see her period. Though I had been wondering what kind of reaction was Tomoya and Nagisa expecting? A whole lot of freaking out would've been my view on it. But instead you get that sad moment of realizing she can't see Fuko at all.

Since I'm leaning on some kind of astral projection thing it's pretty annoying that it seems almost everyone can see her except the one person that would matter. Guess they will have to deal with the aftermath of that and try to figure things out. Plus if the teacher goes around the school she's bound to hear something about Fuko handing out starfish so may still get a freaked out moment.

Man Sunohara...he gets owned yet again. Tomoyo always goes all out when it comes to taking him down. Getting knocked out of a window...again. Plus cutting himself during the carving battle.

Enjoyed Tomoya's view on that world in the future and freeing Fuko from the seal. I'm with Nagisa keep the story going :D.

[MingShun]

I freaked when I saw the starfish scene. So weird...

Funnily enough, if you remove the neck and body, the Nue looks kinda like a Nu (Chrono Trigger)...

That fake movie advertisement was clever. Great BGM, and nice effects.

The BGM of the Sanae intro sounded great, and was quite appropriate too.

I think the balance of humor and sadness fits within tolerance.

[fuzzles]

when will this arc end : (

[Mirrinus]

If there's going to be at least 2 more episodes, then we're in trouble. 24 episodes, with the first 4 introductory, and they'll need at least 4 to do the after story... That'll leave 16 episodes to do 5 storylines in (With 4 of Fuuko), unless they are planning to skip Yukine, Kotomi, Tomoyo, Kyou, or Nagisa.

Come on... Clannad After Story in October 2008? Please, Kyoto animations?

That's what I'm worried about too. But the OP scenes and the other world stuff make me think that we're going to go into the After Story this season.

[Kristen]

i think there are two possibities now.

plan A: all 24 episodes are all for school arc, do not include AS. and make a OVA for AS only afterwards.

plan B: like what they did in Kanon, after intro, just "kill" the character one by one quick, each one takes 3-4 episodes. now let's say, totally 16 for 5 storylines, and 4 for intro now, and let's "wish" they can finish AS in last 4 episodes...

i will vote for plan A...:heh:

Oh, I will too. But I would honestly rather see it as 2+1 cours, with Haruhi in the center.
I've heard that the After Story is something like 16% of the game, so 24*0.16=3.84, or about 4 episodes needed.

Well, even if Kyoto manages to mess things up, then there's always the game translation to come. I'm hoping for March. :)

(BTW: I liked what Kyoto did with Kanon. I've never played the game, but I felt like their storylines were given enough justice, as they didn't seem blotchy. But most were 4-5 episodes in length, so that's why I'm afraid with the longer routes being condensed into 2-3)

[Kyuusai]

I keep thinking to myself that for whatever reason, I'm just not as emotionally invested in these characters as I was with the characters in Kanon.

I have to remember, though, that I really didn't care a lick for Makoto in Kanon until tragedy struck, when suddenly the story hit like a train. Here, again, when tragedy struck, I realized that I cared more about the characters than I thought.

I'm still not as "taken in" by this world as I was with Kanon. I didn't expect that going in, because the first scene of the first episode swept me off my feet so well, but most of the rest hasn't caused me to be so absorbed on an emotional level. Still, I suppose that since Clannad is supposed to be a more "happy go lucky" story than Kanon or Air that this is a natural result.

[Ascaloth]

Blog post is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 06 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=822)

[GoldAlchemist]

Seems like a lot of people love this episode. I'm wondering how long would it take until somebody comes up with a Nagisa's teary eyes animated gif avatar? :D

[X207]

Pretty decent episode. The last scene was pretty sad.

Her sister cant see her. Poor Fuko.:(

b4 that scene i didnt know wat would happen but as it came to that scene i figured out that it would happen, it was predictable imo. pretty good ep though.

[Hunter Sock Monsters]

Definitely my favorite episode of Clannad so far.

Starfish Festival, that was down right laugh out loud funny!! especially Tomoya's reaction when Fuko told him about it.

Finally everyone is accepting Fuko's starfish and that must make her very very happy.

As for Fuko's sister not being able to see her... I get the feeling we might in for and "Air" ending to Fuko's arc and I really really hope it isnt an "Air" ending but something that will be a very happy ending. on that statement I need to keep away from the game discussion thread so I dont go and spoil any future episodes :p

[Zaris]

I'm starting to see what's so charming about the funny in CLANNAD. It's so random and jumps bizzaringly all over the place that it appears fresh. Game references, fantasy villas, stuff shown than told. It's a superb job, and the laughs in this episode didn't feel that overly excessive.

Drama-wise, I felt some important things portrayed in this week's episode left little to be remembered. But it seems to me that it was a necessary sacrifice; if the producers devoted a little more time to explain, say, Yoshino Yusuke's role in the story, the jokes in episode six would've had to be cut short to make expenses for time before it could deliver a better punchline. To learn that he's the fiance of Ibuki-sensei felt so sudden that it was a little unbelievable. And he didn't appear all that long either. It would've been nice to see him a more involved with the characters and less depicted as a simple cameo.

Ironically, I felt the ending could've been shortened down a whole lot. I immediately knew from the dialogue that something was not right with the situation. And I think anyone would've guessed it too from the looks of it. It just dragged on too long that it lost its impact. Not to say it didn't have impact. It was familiar, a little cliche, but a surprise to me overall. Because this leads to a very curious paradox already witnessed in Kanon - who is seeing who, who can see who and why?

Don't screw this up this time.

[Aznbanana]

Drama-wise, I felt some important things portrayed in this week's episode left little to be remembered. But it seems to me that it was a necessary sacrifice; if the producers devoted a little more time to explain, say, Yoshino Yusuke's role in the story, the jokes in episode six would've had to be cut short to make expenses for time before it could deliver a better punchline. To learn that he's the fiance of Ibuki-sensei felt so sudden that it was a little unbelievable. And he didn't appear all that long either. It would've been nice to see him a more involved with the characters and less depicted as a simple cameo.

Don't screw this up this time.

o_ o. We're already introduced to Yoshino and we already know hes the fiance... i dont see whats so sudden about it.

[Jerseykid]

Has anyone other than tomoya and nagisa seen Ibuki-sensei? I can't remember.

[Zaris]

Hrmm, to my recollection, I only saw him once and that was back in episode 3. All I knew was that he was a retired musician. I didn't know anything about his betrothal. Being introduced to someone is one thing; emphasizing his importance is another. If he's so crucial to the here and now, why not give him more lines? Or at least talk about him more. Are you sure you're not mixing up game content with what has only been revealed so far, Aznbanana?

As far as I know, Nagisa and Tomoya are the only onces who have actively spoken to Ibuki-sensei thus far.

[Hage-bai]

Please get this Fuuko bore session over with.

[HashiriyaR32]

Too.......much....... MOE.......STAR............

*Collapses*

[mpt37]

one more for AIR: :)

http://photo11.yupoo.com/20071109/094919_1242636929.jpg

Good eye! I never would've noticed that cameo.

[toxic_trance]

Has anyone other than tomoya and nagisa seen Ibuki-sensei? I can't remember.

Although not shown, we can be pretty sure that yusuke-san has met her. No fiance would leave his to-be-wife alone espescially when she is going through all this. PLUS..there is no special reason why she should appear only in front of nagisa and Tomoya. Fuko has a reason of not being visible to her sister though.

I would really like it if they continued with the drama next week. They did the stabbing out of no where this week. It would be awesome if they passed the knife through me completely..i m just waitin to cry my heart out

[AcroDave]

Hoping for Fuko arc wrap-up in episode 6! Good-bye Fu-Chan!

Hey there, past-self. You're going to be crying into your beer when you find out that they did NOT wrap-up this mind-numbing Fuko arc, and there's even MORE Fuko next week!

Please get this Fuuko bore session over with.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought this episode was totally lame. More Fuko handing out starfish! More Fuko freaking out at Tomoya! Fuko giving a starfish to her classmate who dissed her last episode (gee, didn't see that coming). This whole episode was totally pointless. I am so sick of this character. And by the looks of it, even more of the same next week. Great.

What i am looking towards is the explaination why Fuko's sister is the only who can't see her ... everyone else seems to just fine, so i am interested in how this gets explained.

Uh, did they ever explain all the weird stuff that happened in Kanon? It's magic! Or something. I think Key just likes cramming their stories with crazy s**t that doesn't make any sense. Which is fine, but kind of weak story telling.

I will say I loved the 'Several hundred years in the future..' bit. Especially Nagisa's reaction: 'I want to hear what happens next!' So do I Nagisa-chan, so do I. In fact, I'd rather be watching that story, than this one! haha! :D (by which I mean this whole Fuko arc. Clannad is great, except for Fuko).

[toxic_trance]

Uh, did they ever explain all the weird stuff that happened in Kanon? It's magic! Or something. I think Key just likes cramming their stories with crazy s**t that doesn't make any sense. Which is fine, but kind of weak story telling.


Hmm..i wouldnt agree with that. Although what happens in Kanon is a hot topic of discussion, but Shiori's explanation in the last episode definitely points u out in which direction to think. Infact, it would be pretty dumb if someone just narrates what happens exactly. There wouldnt be any point in having forums for discussion then >.>

I think the so called "vagueness due to not explaining" in Kanon is as much as for any good science-fiction, the only difference being that, when one thinks a sci-fi is unexpained completely, we think it is cool, but if a harem is, we call it bad >.>

Anyway, I wont deny the fact that, Fuko is the character i am least attached to in this series, and although i really loved this episode, i wish the arc ended in another one episode

[Itadakimasu!]

It's not surprising that Fuko is the character most people are least attached to given that her arc seems to be rather crowded with Nagisa and the others... most of the time Fuko is on screen with Tomoya at least one other character will also be on screen, so I think her arc still plays an important part. The only problem is, if its taking so long, how will all the other arcs fit??

Still, Clannad (like Kanon) has never been about emotional investment for me. I'm just watching it as an enjoyable anime while I wait for Haruhi 2 :P. Whether you're disappointed or not all depends on your expectations.

[Kisuke06]

The last scene of the episode... I can't really think of a word that makes me describe what I felt there.

[AcroDave]

Shiori's explanation in the last episode definitely points u out in which direction to think. [snip] I think the so called "vagueness due to not explaining" in Kanon is as much as for any good science-fiction

Well, let me put it like this: If you've seen the movie 'Sixth Sense', you were probably shocked by the 'surprise ending'. However, if you watched the movie again, you would see that all the clues were there, right in your face, and you could have actually 'figured it out' if you had really been paying attention. All the weird stuff that happened had an explanation.

I have a feeling that Fu-chan isn't visible to her sister because... it's magic! There's no reason or 'explanation', other than: 'the magic makes it that way'.

That's how I would characterize the difference between clever writing and weak writing. I was expecting a 'sixth sense' style explanation for Ayu, and let's just say that's not what I got.

[Klashikari]

This doesn't exactly hold importance, as this kind of story telling is much more fond of "feeling impact" than explanations of the phenomon.

also, please, don't try to claim a statement without getting the complete explanations of the series. Fuko isn't the only "weird" entity in this series, and we should get explanations in due time.

The important matter right now is not "what fuko is really" or "why kouko cannot see fuko", but rather "what will happen".

[Zarn]

How can they possibly air only one episode per week? need moar, need moar now! O.o

[arkxkra]

wow, this episode was nice, showing how Fuko-chan to put effort and giving the gift to people, when at the last moment i thought will be like some touching/shock scene, but omg, "can't see her" just as she tell Tomoya and Nagisa... I feel shock just dunno how to explain it...

Tomoya story telling was impressive, "Final Hitode Tsukai FUKO" :heh:

BTW, Tomoyo with that outfit was...Sunohara was so lucky, everytime meet Tomoyo, although this episode just a kick ... :heh:

[toxic_trance]

Well, unlike Sci-fi movies, its not about the clues here, but more about the emotional aspect. If we think a bit out of the normal, I think we can say, that it is more than just Magic that makes Fuko not visible to Ibuki-sensei. I mean, if Fuko was visible, she would have gone straight anyway, but since she loves her sister so much, and wants to make a difference inspite of being in a coma, she wished she could atleast interact with other people, if not Ibuki-sensei. Now why her wish got granted will be the base story of CLANNAD..and obviously we need to wait 24 episodes for that mystery to unravel.

[grey_moon]

Could it be that Fuko's sister can't see her, because Fuko believes that she can't see her?

[OceanBlue]

Could it be that Fuko's sister can't see her, because Fuko believes that she can't see her?

I'm really hoping that they don't use that explanation. It's horridly predictable and/or cliche. We don't need it in Clannad. I'm hoping they go for an explanation that isn't completely random but isn't predictable.

[fuzzles]

Could it be that Fuko's sister can't see her, because Fuko believes that she can't see her?

if that's even remotely true i'm never watching this series again cause everyfreakingotherperson can see her and it's stupid!

[Proto]

As always, expectations are the main reason people aren't fully enjoying the show. They meet the barrier of their own story they had already made in their head instead of lettng the story flow by itself. Just stop comparing the series with KEY's previous incarnations, it has already been said that CLANNAD is fundamentally different from AIR and KANON. :p

[Excorsism]

Does anyone else find that piano piece before the meeting with Ibuki-sensei to be very fitting with the mood?

[AcroDave]

she loves her sister so much, and wants to make a difference inspite of being in a coma, she wished she could atleast interact with other people

Why not just wish that she would wake up from her coma? :D That's the main problem I have with the whole 'magical' thing. It's too contrived, and there are no 'rules' for what is possible, and what isn't.

unlike Sci-fi movies, its not about the clues here, but more about the emotional aspect.

Yes, I agree. And that's totally fine. It seems to me that the way to enjoy these Key adaptations is to 'turn off your brain' a bit. My point was that if you're looking for some kind of logical explanation of why things happen, you'll probably end up disappointed.

Just stop comparing the series with KEY's previous incarnations, it has already been said that CLANNAD is fundamentally different from AIR and KANON.

I hope you're right, but I'm keeping my expectations low. Of course, they've already set themselves up by having Tomoya explicitly state that Fuko is a 'normal girl' and 'it's ridiculous that she's a spirit and her body's at a hospital'. So if it turns out she some kind of 'astral projection' or whatever, it'll be doubly annoying.

expectations are the main reason people aren't fully enjoying the show.

Speaking only for myself, I am enjoying everything about the show, except Fuko and her boring arc.

[Proto]

Yes, I agree. And that's totally fine. It seems to me that the way to enjoy these Key adaptations is to 'turn off your brain' a bit. My point was that if you're looking for some kind of logical explanation of why things happen, you'll probably end up disappointed.

It's not just as turn off your brain as much as it is that you were focusing on the wrong parts. Magical realism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_realism) is a whole genre of its own, and the author is in no obligation to explain the logical reason behind the magical aspects of the plot, or even making it flawlessly blend with the rest of the story. Heck, magic is more often just used as a device to steer the story without any reason behind it and just for the bizarreness of it all. (Kafka's metamorphosis anyone?). Here, you have to discern what the authors real intention is, and IMHO that will be only clear after this little arc is over. That's why I'm withholding my persona opinions till its conclusion :)

[dgreater1]

One reason Tomoya wants the two to meet is to confirm that Fuuko is Kouko's sister.

The only explanation Kouko couldn't see her is because she knows she's in the hospital (as in, her own two eyes can see her in the hospital) while Tomoya, Nagisa, and the others have no idea if that's true. In short, she knows Fuuko couldn't be in the school...

Forgot to add... My explanation isn't necessarily a spoiler if you've seen Eps. 06 so don't worry if you want to read it :heh:

[Willcrusher]

I have a question. What's the name of the song/track playing when Fuko gives the Starfish to Mitsui (sp?) and the moments when Tomoya and Nagisa see Kuoko at the end?

[toxic_trance]

Magical realism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_realism) is a whole genre of its own, and the author is in no obligation to explain the logical reason behind the magical aspects of the plot, or even making it flawlessly blend with the rest of the story. Heck, magic is more often just used as a device to steer the story without any reason behind it and just for the bizarreness of it all. (Kafka's metamorphosis anyone?). Here, you have to discern what the authors real intention is, and IMHO that will be only clear after this little arc is over. That's why I'm withholding my persona opinions till its conclusion :)


True true. If one is supposed to explain..what quantum physics goes on in magic..or why is the "sixth sense" kid able to see ghosts but not anyone else and every other Sci-fi concept there, then every kid here would win the Nobel >.>

The stories showed by KEY have mystery whose explanation when it is unraveled is left partially up to you. At the end of every arc..i think it is more about the beauty of emotional drama that KEY creates than trying to formulate a theory behind every miracle.

[Vestus]

Idk why people are getting so worked up about "unrealistic" world of Clannad. I mean, isn't that why we watch anime? Because, stuff that happens in anime won't ever happen in real life?

For example, Harem Anime, will us guy-otakus will ever experience multiple girls chasing after us? Probably not, and if you do...well your're one lucky SOB and I hate you.

Anyway, I like the Fuko arc. It is leaning on the ditzy side, but it's cute. And yes I said cute. Let the flaming begin.

[Calawain]

Idk why people are getting so worked up about "unrealistic" world of Clannad. I mean, isn't that why we watch anime? Because, stuff that happens in anime won't ever happen in real life?

For example, Harem Anime, will us guy-otakus will ever experience multiple girls chasing after us? Probably not, and if you do...well your're one lucky SOB and I hate you.

Anyway, I like the Fuko arc. It is leaning on the ditzy side, but it's cute. And yes I said cute. Let the flaming begin.

I think the sometimes fantasy world of anime is part of why we like it. Real life is boring, it's much more entertaining to watch a world that's different most of the time =)

[Zaris]

Idk why people are getting so worked up about "unrealistic" world of Clannad. I mean, isn't that why we watch anime? Because, stuff that happens in anime won't ever happen in real life?

The key phrase here is "Plausibility and Willing Suspension of Disbelief". Anime is an effective medium for the unreal, the fantastic, and the dream-like. The problem, however, is that like all moving picture cinema, it must establish a tone in the work that captivates audiences that are not simply willing but in fact eager to believe in the unbelievable. How does one pesuade an audience to put aside its normally critical approach to subject matter and willingly collaborate with the storyteller in accepting as logical what is plainly incredible, nonsensical and/or absurd? The answer, unfortunately, varies from person to person; some people are just more willing to accept the fantastical quicker than others, despite the allusions to real-world mechanics it portrays.

[Itadakimasu!]

Well said, Vestus!

To me suspension of disbelief is like lending a friend a car. I'm only really pissed if it comes back a wreck. There a plenty of examples of works where I've seriously considered asking the cinema attendant for 2 hours of my life back (mostly Hollywood stuff)

Clannad simply hasn't gotten to the jump the shark moment yet, and doesn't look like it will. It has a consistent writing team and passable flow in its plot, so I can't see what all the fuss is about.

[holyman282]

Certainly anyone who enters anime expecting reality is kidding themselves.. As long as the story succeeds in creating a world that suspends my disbelief (plausibly explained circumstances that fit the context of the world) I'll be happy.

To be honest though, Fuko's arc doesn't suspend my disbelief, I've already said earlier, her motivation for actions feels really farfetched (just so people would attend her sister's wedding. Doesn't she have any friends other then from school?). The driving force of Fuko's determination obviously lacks the impact that justifies the extent to which she tries (coming back as some sort of spirit?). Others may call it a little sister's love for her older sister, but I feel the whole situation is rather forced and doesn't really flow with the story.

[houkoholic]

To be honest though, Fuko's arc doesn't suspend my disbelief, I've already said earlier, her motivation for actions feels really farfetched (just so people would attend her sister's wedding. Doesn't she have any friends other then from school?).

Of course she doesn't have friends, that's one plot point in there already that is going to be revealed. Even taking that aside, while if you look at it from a third person point of view with anime tinted glasses she is hitting all the moe weakspots, but if you think about it logically she's probably one of the weirdest person that you want to befriend in RL.

1) She talks and acts like a child despite her age (the reason behind this is explained in the game, something that would be explained in the next episode too I'd bet).
2) She's quick to insult people and continues to do so (weird person, person with impossible hair colour, the worst thing ever etc) and she hardly ever thanked anyone except in *one* scene. This is not the way to make a first impression or befriend people. Notice even the people who takes care of her now treats her like she is that of a child in elementary school, rather than treating her like a peer or person of the same age. Heck Nagisa hammered this point in in this episode.
3) Her asthestic taste is off from the norm. (Starfish - but that's going to be explained in the next episode too from the title)
4) Notice her small figure and her uniform is not snug fitting and the sleeves are long enough to cover her hands? Remember the nerds at school that dresses like that at school that everyone picks on? Yeah, she's one of those. And even Tomoya still does this by playing the jokes on her.

Yeah it's all "moe" and stuff in the "dumb is moe in anime" trait, but she's an awkward individual and not someone you want to befriend given a similuar situation in RL.

[holyman282]

Of course she doesn't have friends, that's one plot point in there already that is going to be revealed. Even taking that aside, while if you look at it from a third person point of view with anime tinted glasses she is hitting all the moe weakspots, but if you think about it logically she's probably one of the weirdest person that you want to befriend in RL.

I think you misunderstand, I was talking about Ibuki Sensei and whether she had any other friends outside of the school she use to teach.... Even if she doesn't I'm sure her fiancee has friends.. Really I don't see the point of Fuko going through the trouble of getting all those people at school to go to her wedding.

Fuko is certainly hitting the moe weakspots, but that doesn't mean I feel emotionally touched by her story.

[Joachim]

I have a question. What's the name of the song/track playing when Fuko gives the Starfish to Mitsui (sp?) and the moments when Tomoya and Nagisa see Kuoko at the end?

The piano piece is called "To the same height" its the 5th on 2nd disc of clannad OST

The track at the end is called "Town, Flow of time, People" 4th track on 1st disc of clannad OST

for me Town,flow of time, people track is so...mystical, one of my fave ;)

[houkoholic]

I think you misunderstand, I was talking about Ibuki Sensei and whether she had any other friends outside of the school she use to teach.... Even if she doesn't I'm sure her fiancee has friends.. Really I don't see the point of Fuko going through the trouble of getting all those people at school to go to her wedding.

Actually I understood it perfectly, since this is going to be explained in the upcoming plot as I've mentioned, and it ties in with Fuuko's behaviour.

[Proto]

Even if she doesn't I'm sure her fiancee has friends

Remember that Yuusuke is an artist that is hiding himself from the world. He is not in contact with any of his past life's friend, and right now he must be more or less living the secluded life of someone who doesn't wish to attract much attention, limiting the possibility of many friends


Like I said, I'm with houkoholic that one musn't pass judgment until the whole picture is complete

[dgreater1]

What viewers should be doing right now for full enjoyment is "Watch the story unfold." or "Watch the story then unfold." rather than "Unfold the story to the point I'm spoiled then watch." :heh: :heh:

[Ashlotte]

Well all I can say is so far the shows one of the funniest comedies ive seen in along time. Though the drama is lacking and really hasn't pulled me in much ill be one happy camper if they just keep up with such great comedic moments. ;)

[monir]

Though the drama is lacking and really hasn't pulled me in much ill be one happy camper if they just keep up with such great comedic moments. ;)
Considering the hype surrounding the title, I'm kind of disappointed to how the show has progressed thus far. Usually KyoAni adapted show tends to pull me in almost immediately or no later than 2nd episode in the series. Clannad is their first show where the story seems to be taking its sweet time to move forward or anywhere for that matter.

I can't wait for 2008 to come where KyoAni will get to work on one of the two of their better titles, Suzumiya Haruhi and FMP.

[C.A.]

I can only say too bad to those who aren't enjoying it.

I'm another one who's taken completely by this anime, within 10 seconds of the 1st episode, like I heard from someone else in another thread.

This episode gave me a very sad 'I knew it' reaction. Its cruel but nice for them to end the episode this way, I've been looking forward to the meeting of the sisters. Now I have to wait for the next episode to know more about Fuko-chan.

I really quite afraid that this story would overtake Haruhi for me, I have a feeling that it would be at least as high as Lucky Star and Gurren Lagann.

[rg4619]

I enjoyed the first two episodes. However, the show has been mediocre ever since.

IMO, the attempts at humor (which aren't always successful, imo. Some scenes seem as if they might work in the context of a narrated computer game, but not an animated series) just aren't enough to make up for the lack of compelling content or the trite characters.

[Kaioshin Sama]

The key phrase here is "Plausibility and Willing Suspension of Disbelief". Anime is an effective medium for the unreal, the fantastic, and the dream-like. The problem, however, is that like all moving picture cinema, it must establish a tone in the work that captivates audiences that are not simply willing but in fact eager to believe in the unbelievable. How does one pesuade an audience to put aside its normally critical approach to subject matter and willingly collaborate with the storyteller in accepting as logical what is plainly incredible, nonsensical and/or absurd? The answer, unfortunately, varies from person to person; some people are just more willing to accept the fantastical quicker than others, despite the allusions to real-world mechanics it portrays.

EXACTLY!:D So far I don't think Clannad has made any strong attempts, possibly because it expects a lot of those impressions to be carried over from the game. It's not so much the world though as much as those that inhabit it that I'm having trouble getting into. Though Clannad does have one of the stranger blends of realism versus fantasy that I've ever seen. The series tends to flip flop between them such that I can't tell if I'm supposed to be laughing at a scene because it's trying to be absurd and fantastical or if the series is trying to be serious or what. It can make a huge difference what tone you are trying to present something in, and how you get the viewer to interpret something

Thus, KEY has, I can honestly say the strangest balance between comedy and drama I've seen this side of a Black Comedy.

[orion]

I think you misunderstand, I was talking about Ibuki Sensei and whether she had any other friends outside of the school she use to teach.... Even if she doesn't I'm sure her fiancee has friends.. Really I don't see the point of Fuko going through the trouble of getting all those people at school to go to her wedding.

Fuko is certainly hitting the moe weakspots, but that doesn't mean I feel emotionally touched by her story.


Well not too many people that I know hang out with their ex-teachers period. So I would think that Ibuki doesn't have much friends. Besides she is also retired and that cuts down also on the socializing. Her fiance probably doesn't have much friends either in his reclusive state.

Fuko is tied to the school since the accident was on her first day at the school that her sister was teaching in apparently IIRC. The starfish is probably a symbol that the sister approves of the marriage. One that Ibuki would recognize.

I don't think that the problem is with Fuko but her sister. Her sister probably feels guilty that Fuko is in a coma and doesn't want to be happy. Kind of like survivor's guilt. It also seemed to me that her sister wasn't facing Fuko's true state, describing it as "sleeping" instead.

I agree with the others too in that Fuko's arc ain't close to being done yet.

[Saint Rygar]

Hi guys!!

I'm with the people who have not been very impressed with Clannad in these 6 episodes and find the current arc kind of boring.

Just wondering, I know Key works always have a 'magical' factor in most of the stories. But maybe fuko arc it's not something magical and has a realistic answer and the "ayu story clone" it's just a trap to the viewers.

Maybe it's just the fuko family not wanting to admit fuko 'exists' and her sister is bound to ignore her. i know it sounds silly but it's just a thought. Maybe that's why she knows that but still wants to do something for her indirectly.

[holyman282]

Well not too many people that I know hang out with their ex-teachers period. So I would think that Ibuki doesn't have much friends. Besides she is also retired and that cuts down also on the socializing. Her fiance probably doesn't have much friends either in his reclusive state.

That's not what i'm trying to say, in fact it's very far from it..... I'm not even talking about any students she may have taught.. I'm saying does she have any normal friends. You know like her friends from maybe when she went to school or distant relatives ect.. I'm sure she knows enough people so as that she doesn't need a school of people whom she probably never met or taught to attend...

Hi guys!!

I'm with the people who have not been very impressed with Clannad in these 6 episodes and find the current arc kind of boring.

Just wondering, I know Key works always have a 'magical' factor in most of the stories. But maybe fuko arc it's not something magical and has a realistic answer and the "ayu story clone" it's just a trap to the viewers.

Maybe it's just the fuko family not wanting to admit fuko 'exists' and her sister is bound to ignore her. i know it sounds silly but it's just a thought. Maybe that's why she knows that but still wants to do something for her indirectly.

I highly doubt that (emphasis on highly)
First of we've already seen how Ibuki sensei cares about Fuko from the way she describes her, the whole thing with the promise to go to founder's day festival with her kind of cemented the idea that Ibuki indeed cares alot about Fuko... If what you say is indeed true then Ibuki sensei wouldn't even say anything about a sister.. If they did not want to admit Fuko's existence then they shouldn't even tell Nagisa or Tomoya when they asked if she has a sister called Fuko... She should of just denied and said she never had a little sister.

[Proto]

It could be a traumatized reaction from her sister, thinking that Fuuko is dead and going to see an empty hospital room, while denying all the while that Fuuko still exists. Though, that would make the story equal to Minagi's instead :p

As I said, the clue wait is to wait and see. One cannot say if all the buildup is worthwhile till we see the end of the line. I for one like slow paced series a lot, the more slow paced they are the better. So the pace is alright for me. (maybe a little too fast though... too bad you can show every little detail when you are adapting a story. :()

[orion]

That's not what i'm trying to say, in fact it's very far from it..... I'm not even talking about any students she may have taught.. I'm saying does she have any normal friends. You know like her friends from maybe when she went to school or distant relatives ect.. I'm sure she knows enough people so as that she doesn't need a school of people whom she probably never met or taught to attend...


Well, in reality that doesn't always happen. If she's lucky in reality, she might have 1-2 friends that she can count on. However, given the setup for the series, I highly doubt it. Besides, she seems a tad bit depressed to me.

Look at what happened in Kanon. Did Akiko have loads of friends that she could count on?

Also, don't you think that it's weird that a thirty-something yo person is "retired" from teaching? I definitely bet there's some psych issues with the sister (Ibuki).

[Itadakimasu!]

Rather than simply speculation and postulation, I think the view that we should hold our fire and wait for the story to unfold is probably the best option. It'll be interesting to see how people view this arc in retrospect once Clannad finishes (if indeed it does :P).

[toxic_trance]

Agreed, although I do feel that the Arc is a bit slow paced, but I think we know how Kyo-Ani loves hitting u hard out of the blue. Even in Kanon thread, people were beginning to get a bit pained by the Makoto Arc, and I think we all know how beautifully it was made. Infact, even for that, the drama started around Episode 07 and ends at around 11 or 12 if i remember right. So..I recommend, we sit tight and let the beauty of CLANNAD unravel itself. If KyoAni's past record suggests anything, they know what they are doing

As for being into the anime..no anime has even made me re watch its first episode 31 times :love:
So I am pretty sure that this has really hooked me on.

[CrisisDarkerXIV]

Isn't it kinda funny how nobody's doing anything about Fuuko?

People know she's a "ghost" and they talk about her and stuff.

And...
What's up with Fuuko's sis? The teacher? Why can't she see Fuuko?

[Ascaloth]

Isn't it kinda funny how nobody's doing anything about Fuuko?

People know she's a "ghost" and they talk about her and stuff.

And...
What's up with Fuuko's sis? The teacher? Why can't she see Fuuko?

Correction; only a few people know of a "ghost girl". Many knew about Fuuko by Episode 6. As far as I know, apart from Tomoya and Nagisa, no one else has yet made the connection between both concepts.

[d.sinclair]

I was enjoying the usual slapstick until...whoa whoa whoa! A fanclub?! Horrible memories of Shuffle! just came flooding back at that point, and for an extreme moment I was seriously fearing the rise of an "FFF" or something...but thankfully Key would never do anything like that to us. Right?
They've been consistently keeping up the comedy since the beginning, and although I have a feeling that it's just a setup for dramatic shock, I'm actually hoping that the lightheartedness would continue throughout the series. I think it would be a nice change in tone from the big drama in Kanon. Then again, that's coming from a huge ARIA lover...so I feel like I'm in the minority on this one.
Well, this ep delivered on two of the three main reasons that I'm watching Clannad, so I'm happy.
1) Moe girls - Meido? Bear Suit?! Yeah.
2) NagisaxTomoya - Awesomely cute little moment there (he blushed!), also adding to the "family" theme.
3) Production quality - Noticeable drop from before. But going from superb to good isn't really bad at all.

[KholdStare]

So I looked forward to a romance/drama and I get one of the funniest shows this season. 9/10

I'm still kinda disappointed that Nagisa's plot isn't getting much done, but I'm not sure if I should be. Organization aside, this episode was very extremely funny and the ending was just...good. I always enjoy a Clannad episode when I see it, at least lately. But I've gotten into the habit of analyzing anime as what it's classified at, although I should stop. Clannad is amazingly different from Kanon (which I thought it would be similar to) but it is excellent in its own ways. I said in the first episode that I won't rate this anime as a KyoAni anime but if I will enjoye it or not. Now I think it lived up to its name as a KyoAni anime, so no more problems.

[koreaneeyore]

to me, even tho as dramatic the ending of the ep was. i thought this ep was kick ass funny as the previous eps of the series. i love how KyoAni is able to mix comedy with drama and stuff. its pretty good.

love the beginning with the starfish bread, fuko's happy mode, and all that other stuff.. especially the juice box / thirst quenching moment.

[holyman282]

Well, in reality that doesn't always happen. If she's lucky in reality, she might have 1-2 friends that she can count on. However, given the setup for the series, I highly doubt it. Besides, she seems a tad bit depressed to me.

Look at what happened in Kanon. Did Akiko have loads of friends that she could count on?

Also, don't you think that it's weird that a thirty-something yo person is "retired" from teaching? I definitely bet there's some psych issues with the sister (Ibuki).

Well then wouldn't that be the problem then? The whole setup for Fuko's arc wasn't really thought through, making Ibuki sensei a loner?:twitch: If they do manage to explain it then I guess it's ok but right now the whole set up just seems forced...

Rather than simply speculation and postulation, I think the view that we should hold our fire and wait for the story to unfold is probably the best option. It'll be interesting to see how people view this arc in retrospect once Clannad finishes (if indeed it does :P).

I disagree with you there. Doesn't speculation and postulation make up most of the discussions in anime... The concept of guessing what will happen or concluding why something happened makes up the fun in anime discussions especially the ones that are airing as of recently.

[dgreater1]

The whole setup for Fuko's arc wasn't really thought through, making Ibuki sensei a loner?

I don't really think loner is an appropriate word to describe her situation, not seeing her with together with people doesn't make her a loner. Having not much people attend her wedding doesn't make her a loner as well. Try to imagine why Fuuko wants a lot of people to go to her sister's wedding instead of thinking what she's doing is pointless. :heh::heh:


I disagree with you there. Doesn't speculation and postulation make up most of the discussions in anime... The concept of guessing what will happen or concluding why something happened makes up the fun in anime discussions especially the ones that are airing as of recently.

I don't think he meant you shouldn't guess... Anyway, people shouldn't do an aimless guess about what will happen. It's like firing in front, thinking that the target is there while in fact, the target is actually behind. At least try to figure where to aim first (unfolding) with before guessing (firing). If it doesn't hit, at least it means your close. Meaning... know more of the story first before making a BIG assumption. But anyway, I don't think that's the case here... since we're talking about KEY stuff here, and KEY stuffs revolves around super-naturals elements that defies the law of concrete explanation. All you can do is make a theory here, but of course, your theory shouldn't be far, far away to the intended target :heh: :heh:

[Itadakimasu!]

It's ok to speculate and postulate, but when you start making huge assumptions, and worse, judging a show simply on what scarce info we have around 1/4 of the way in, while we're still building momentum seems to be an exercise in unnecessary judgment calls.

Basically, its better to keep comments about how disappointing the show is to a minimum. If you don't like it its ok to say that but to do so every episode ... won't people wonder why you even bother?

In the end we're all entitled to have our differences of opinions. It'd just be nice if we didn't try to force ours on others so much. And that applies to this post as well :P

[holyman282]

It's ok to speculate and postulate, but when you start making huge assumptions, and worse, judging a show simply on what scarce info we have around 1/4 of the way in, while we're still building momentum seems to be an exercise in unnecessary judgment calls.

Basically, its better to keep comments about how disappointing the show is to a minimum. If you don't like it its ok to say that but to do so every episode ... won't people wonder why you even bother?

In the end we're all entitled to have our differences of opinions. It'd just be nice if we didn't try to force ours on others so much. And that applies to this post as well :P

Certainly i agree with you, in fact i'm a big supporter of that rule. I tend to dislike superficial judgement of an entire series based on a few ep. Offcourse though, we are entitled to express our opinions but not try to force it onto others... Let me tell you, i'm enjoying Clannad very much it's one of my favourite shows this season and where I do not enjoy Fuko's arc very much, it doesn't mean I dislike it, in fact i find it very entertaining but just not emotionally stimulating and that's just my own personal opinion. Also my opinion is just on the Fuko arc, i'm really looking forward to either Kyou or Tomoyo arc and would definitely enjoy that. It's just that watching a few ep of the Fuko, I feel it doesn't emotionally connect as much, but I don't find it any less enjoyable.

In fact I'm beginning to enjoy it, especially the end scene of ep 6... Who knows my opinion of Fuko's arc may change.

[Sinestra]

Wow that ending was powerful I almost wanted to cry i was so damn close:(

[Bonta Kun]

Considering the hype surrounding the title, I'm kind of disappointed to how the show has progressed thus far. Usually KyoAni adapted show tends to pull me in almost immediately or no later than 2nd episode in the series. Clannad is their first show where the story seems to be taking its sweet time to move forward or anywhere for that matter.

I can't wait for 2008 to come where KyoAni will get to work on one of the two of their better titles, Suzumiya Haruhi and FMP.

Now as much as I like Clannad, as all I know about it is the anime I am enjoying it. But is that FMP mean Full Metal Panic?!!!!! If it does then this totally overshadows any other anime news ever!
*jumps over to the FMP forum*

[kimchipride]

This episode was alright. I'm glad the funny elements in Clannad has been replaced in this episode by a serious tone. I haven't played the game so I can't say for sure, but somehow I think Clannad will be less sad than Air or Kanon.


Eh... I just want Haruhi Season 2

Is KyoAni still going to make another season of Full Metal Panic?

[KholdStare]

Now as much as I like Clannad, as all I know about it is the anime I am enjoying it. But is that FMP mean Full Metal Panic?!!!!! If it does then this totally overshadows any other anime news ever!
*jumps over to the FMP forum*

Kyoto Animation did not make the original FMP, but they made Fumoffu and The Second Raid, although I'm not sure if they will make another season...do you have proof for this?

[Raykun]

The ending was sweet and made a impact of my view of the show so much

[Proto]

Eh... I just want Haruhi Season 2

Is KyoAni still going to make another season of Full Metal Panic?

Aw well, people were saying the same about CLANNAD when Lucky Star was starting :p

As it has been said before, FMP is set in the limbo with CLANNAD, SuzuHaru, an unkwown series and the employees vacatinos as a priority.

[khryoleoz]

This ending was sweet? Man, I was pretty freaked out by the revelation from what Kouko said!

[d.sinclair]

Is KyoAni still going to make another season of Full Metal Panic?

They better. :D
Although
From what I hear of the novels it's only going to get darker and darker...

Looking forward to more Kotomi.

[AcroDave]

It's not just as turn off your brain as much as it is that you were focusing on the wrong parts.

I think we are talking about the same thing. What you call 'don't focus on that part of the plot', I call 'turning my brain off'.

When a story presents me with a mystery, my first impulse is to think: 'Gee how weird! I wonder how the author is going to explain that!' But you can't do that with these Key adaptations. They are just not interested in telling that part of the story. The part of my brain that wants to fully explore all the implications of the narrative, must be firmly switched off. As long as you realize from the beginning that you're not going to get any rationalizations, you can sit back and enjoy what's left.

If Key ends the Fuko arc with a logical explanation that wraps-up everything plot-wise, I'll be very pleasantly surprised. But I'm certainly not expecting it.

[cshard]

Reading the recent posts here, I really feel like I'm watching a rerun of the Kanon threads :heh: Why are the exact same questions (almost) being asked again? I predict that after the arc is over and we continue on, we'll have everyone back to singing praises instead.

Anyway, on to my thoughts on the episode.

With parents like Akio and Sanae, it's no wonder Nagisa feels such an urge to do theater. XD Flip-flopping mood swings and despair over bread ftw. We need a Sanae vs Azuma Kazuma match. :heh:

Fuuko's seal is way too cute for words. :heh: And what's with those monster's faces? Celestial beings they most definitely are not. :heh:

Ah, the happy mom and dad watching their little daughter Fuuko play with starfish. XD

Hmm, wonder what would have happened if Tomoya introduced himself to the fan club as "Fuuko's otousan"?

Does Nagisa's observation of how she and Tomoya act towards Fuuko counts as a confession? :heh:

Nagisa has the best "about to cry" face and voice that I've seen up till now. XD

The starfish are beginning to take over Fuuko's mind it seems. That was one freaky dream she had.

So, was it Kagami and Tsukasa doing a cameo over at Clannad, or was Kagami and Tsukasa played by Kyou and Ryou in LS? :heh:

Nagisa seemed like she was performing as Tomoya's personal attendant. :heh: Didn't seem like she was serving any other customers.

The scene with Mitsui and the following one with Kouko were pretty emotional. I don't think I've seen Fuuko smile like she did after Mitsui accepted the Starfish before, but she looked more like a cornered puppy when she was approached by Kouko though. And I'm definitely going to find the track that was playing during the last few scene - it really brought out the impact of that final scene.

[toxic_trance]

Hmm..frankly even I feel the same is gonna happen. We always tend to expect every second of a Kyoto work to be filled with fun or mystery. And boy oh boy..till an arc is not over...we are cribbing even if one minute of an episode was boring (not that i found any).

Anyway, I have a strong feeling that, majority is usually happy with how Kyoto finishes each arc...so lets not talk about pacing and other stuff...the people who made KANON, AIR, HARUHI and FMP are THEM, NOT US, so i m pretty sure they know much better than us what they are doing

Neway..i m just takin the ranting out of my system. Hope i didnt start some flaming. As for next week, I am definitely waiting for the Kotomi-chan scene. And as usual, I m pretty sure the trailer is misleading and compared to the fun filled episode it projects, i think somethin serious is gonna come up

[cshard]

Ah well, it's always a little scary to be a well known studio. Then again, I suppose they've mastered the skill of not letting fan opinion sway their production. :heh:

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Sanae.. is just.. I dunno.. so adorable.. poor woman, she only wants to make bread!

[Lapioc]

Sanae.. is just.. I dunno.. so adorable.. poor woman, she only wants to make bread!

Yeah, and her breads are filled with love !

[toxic_trance]

I wonder if we get some SAnae Love Topping as an option :p

[iamandragon]

Just watched episode 6 a while ago. Been quite busy lately.
Does anyone here think that the BGM 'to the same heights' was inserted a little too early? That's the song when Fuuko gave her starfish to Mitsui. I think it'll be better if it started when Mitsui took the star. Anyone along the same line?

[Seair]

Just watched episode 6 a while ago. Been quite busy lately.
Does anyone here think that the BGM 'to the same heights' was inserted a little too early? That's the song when Fuuko gave her starfish to Mitsui. I think it'll be better if it started when Mitsui took the star. Anyone along the same line?

i agree with playing ""the same height" "too early", but my "too early" means something different. :D

here is what i mean:
(said at #28 in this thread)

well...i still think KyoAni use "the same height" BGM too early!!!
they should wait until the 3on3...
i wonder are they really going to play Ana at the Fuko's final theme at the wedding?

[iamandragon]

i agree with playing ""the same height" "too early", but my "too early" means something different. :D

here is what i mean:
(said at #28 in this thread)

well...i still think KyoAni use "the same height" BGM too early!!!
they should wait until the 3on3...
i wonder are they really going to play Ana at the Fuko's final theme at the wedding?

Well...if KyoAni doesn't want to compose new tracks, I think that'd be the best piece they can use out of the game BGMs. They're probably going to make a different version of "to the same heights" in the 3on3

by the way isn't this spoiler?

[Owaranai Destiny]

'Final Hitode Tsukai Fuko'. :heh:

'Okazaki's the best!' :heh:

Great episode. The 'Skills Mastery' was all right, since the second one seemed a little rushed. Other than that, this episode makes me feel like it's a small step towards overall Nagisa development, though it was full of Fuko. Though somewhat predictable, I find it heartwarming to see Fuko's efforts paying off. Though she might seem to be a 'small animal' in certain aspects, as what Tomoya and a certain user here has been stressing ;), it's really hard to dislike her for any reason.

Wondering about the group Tomoyo was talking about. Maybe they will come in sooner or later in her arc.

Teddy Tomoyo=Still OWNage. ;)

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Been behind with the episodes of Clannad, but I have finally caught up to this episode though, but the only thing about this episode that really stood out was the ending of this episode...what a shocking scene that was. Fuuko's sister seeing only Tomoya and Nagisa and not Fuuko herself in the middle of the two...I was really shocked when it came to that point, but I kind of knew already she would say that, but it was somewhat unexpected at the same time.

-Patrick Star?
-Maid cafe Kyou and Ryou really did look like Tsuakasa and Kagami!
-Spaced out Fuuko was cute as always.:)