Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[ashlay]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7776/1195144364755bdadmp8.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1195144364755bdadmp8.jpg)

wonder what's written on the food containers this week. >,>


I can't help but be a little reminded of Lelouch from Code Geass, since Ike tries to plan everything perfectly and yet quickly gets crushed by Murphy's Law again and again and again. (Even his inner monologues sound like something out of the CG picture dramas... :rolleyes:) I also feel rather terrible for Ike, since he's way too shy...this entire trip to the amusement park basically comes down to the fact that he needs an excuse to even try and confess to Yoshida. well, at least he did get his ferris wheel ride. :heh:

also, did Alastor lose his mind? Talking while Ogata is right there. -_- Well, Shana's jokes were amusing, and I found it funny that it was a bird mascot to help Yuji and Konoe out of the maze. speaking of which, maybe I'm just completely paranoid, but I had the sense that the mascots were not only the same person, but somehow have begun some evil plot. alright maybe not... anyway, entire episode definitely feels like the hot springs special, and the multiple eye-catches certainly help to reinforce that idea.

next week is some Margery flashback material from S. Should be fun.

[piku]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7776/1195144364755bdadmp8.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1195144364755bdadmp8.jpg)

wonder what's written on the food containers this week. >,>

just different fish names in Japanese Kanji. I've seen this cup before and i think i must get one after watching this episode...



actually this is a nice episode.

nice drawing (OVA/s1 quality)
nice eyecatchS (actually, TOO MUCH eyecatchS in this episode although those are fantastic)
nice gag and nice story (also OVA and S1 #9 quality)

how come Ike become that aggressive, all for 'Dating' with Kazumi... and the BGMs when Ike lost his plan (just like the one which used in S1 #15~16 when wilhelmina/shiro/alastor recall their memory in 16th century, the war that the former Enpatu Shakugan died) just make me laugh.



and I found that Ike and wilhelmina actually is 2 of a kind...suppotive character, the brain of the group, well planned, , a little bit born misfortune...and work very hard for the the one they love.



the recent 3 episode is quite interesting but I don't think JC Staff should 'spend' near 1/3 length of the whole S2 for the school comedy.

looking forward for the next episode, the real start of S2 in some meaning...

and the people in the mascot will show up at #10, according to a anime magazine.

[ashlay]

and the people in the mascot will show up at #10, according to a anime magazine.
oh holy crap. 0_o

then that...and the...

Gonna have to go watch the episode again. :heh:

[minhtam1638]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7776/1195144364755bdadmp8.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1195144364755bdadmp8.jpg)

also, did Alastor lose his mind? Talking while Ogata is right there. -_- Well, Shana's jokes were amusing, and I found it funny that it was a bird mascot to help Yuji and Konoe out of the maze. speaking of which, maybe I'm just completely paranoid, but I had the sense that the mascots were not only the same person, but somehow have begun some evil plot. alright maybe not... anyway, entire episode definitely feels like the hot springs special, and the multiple eye-catches certainly help to reinforce that idea.

next week is some Margery flashback material from S. Should be fun.

I believe Alastor is actually whispering to Shana, and the directors magnified his voice so that we know what he's trying to say.

[serenade_beta]

I believe Alastor is actually whispering to Shana, and the directors magnified his voice so that we know what he's trying to say.

Maybe not fighting any Denizens lately has caused a mental breakdown? :heh:

Well, in anime, people can become extremely deaf at moments for no reason at all. *points to Seto no Hanayome*

[Deathkillz]

Maybe not fighting any Denizens lately has caused a mental breakdown? :heh:

Well, in anime, people can become extremely deaf at moments for no reason at all. *points to Seto no Hanayome*
not to mention blind as well X3 "MY EYESSSS!!!"

*cough*
zomg another useless episode!
while it wasnt that bad i do wonder where the plot has gone...*sigh*

anyways here we have ike losing his coolness for once...boy the guy is such a loser :rolleyes: how can anyone be sick going on a ferris wheel!!! haha!

shana on the other hand scored tonnes of cool points! i want to play that "virtual slashing" game :heh:

[Kang Seung Jae]

Two words: POOR IKE! :heh:

[serenade_beta]

Extremely amusing episode. :D

The episode is called Glorious because Ike usually doesn't get much screen time, but now he is.

Ike takes focus and acts extremely funny (to me, not him though). It just seems weird that he acted so "bold", with his "I'm going to show her how good I am" attitude and such. :D

Fumina in that dress~ :love:

*glitter* goes the glasses! :D
If only real glasses can do that all the time...

Over dramatization and horribly bad luck plagues today's Ike...

Special Eyecatch 3 - Haha, "evil" Ike :D

Shana gets MAX score?! :twitch:

Fumina and Matake - Ignorant of the truth, hai~

Ike's "development" this episode-
1. Gets rather pathetic at times
2. Kind of creepy at times too...
3. Needs to stay away from amusement parks
4. keeps track of favorite phrases...


Preview- "Door to the Past" - Some megane-boy, and perhaps the first decent fight in episodes?! :eyespin:

[Freeter]

Wow, delusional mastermind Ike actually made this ep worth watching. He deserves his own comedic spinoff ala Shanatan :heh:

I LOL'd hard when Konoe kept wanting to go on the kiddie rides :heh:

[minhtam1638]

This... was awesome.

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Shakugan%20no%20Shana/Shakugan%20no%20Shana%20II%20-%2007%20-%20Large%2021.jpg

Now I want to see Shana get a AAA on Fascination MaXX. Now THAT has never been done.

[Kang Seung Jae]

and the people in the mascot will show up at #10, according to a anime magazine.

My Guess:

"Yuji, I am your Father!"

[outcast_within]

i'm just wondering if it is even possible to introduce the evil guys and stuff at this point. It's all so happy and haremy that it would be out of tone to make it an action anime again.
That and how yuuji is turning into a tank also limits the story potential since he is getting too powerfull

Training with Supermaid has reached it's limit wtf
Failling from a roof and not even breaking broozing hell not even feeling pain.
Infinite amount of energy plus Regeneration = god that pwns all

[teachopvutru]

i'm just wondering if it is even possible to introduce the evil guys and stuff at this point. It's all so happy and haremy that it would be out of tone to make it an action anime again.

Well, maybe they're trying to do something really dramatic next? =o Nothing can be bad if there's no good moment blend in afterall =/


That and how yuuji is turning into a tank also limits the story potential since he is getting too powerfull

I don't see how that's true...

[Kinny Riddle]

Anyone notice how Shana's skirt seem to defy gravity when she bungee jumps? :D

Apart from that, there's nothing much to comment about. Ike's crush on Yoshida is only briefly mentioned in the novel and hasn't even started, so that's about the only refreshing thing to say about this pretty amusing "filler". Poor Ike. lol

Next episode seems to take place in 1920s New York, so it's Chrno Crusade, er, I mean, Margery Crusade time.

[hayate-sama]

could somebody tell me what happen with that boy, he appear in shakugan no shana volume S right ?

BTW : Magery is more beautiful without those glasses

Next episode seems to take place in 1920s New York, so it's Chrno Crusade, er, I mean, Margery Crusade time.

i think it will take place in shanghai
and she will fight again Dydonay and some tomogara who have a clock on his face

[ashlay]

I think it will take place in shanghai
well you're wrong. -_-

it's in New York, and in case you missed the empire state building, (a decade too early, but no mistaking it) preview Yuji even said it was in New York.

[minhtam1638]

could somebody tell me what happen with that boy, he appear in shakugan no shana volume S right ?

BTW : Magery is more beautiful without those glasses

i think it will take place in shanghai
and she will fight again Dydonay and some tomogara who have a clock on his face

But Margery isn't Asian... is she?

[lua thien]

But Margery isn't Asian... is she?

No, Margery is actually of German or French descent. Overall, she's European. Where else can you find natural blondes?

[ashlay]

No, Margery is actually of German or French descent. Overall, she's European. Where else can you find natural blondes?
well, to be fair no one's natural hair color is pink or turquoise, so maybe it's best to drop the hair color part of the argument when talking about Crimson realm related people.

other than that, continue on.

[Kinny Riddle]

I remembered it was mentioned somewhere that Margery is Scottish. Hair colour is irrelevant in anime in determining one's ethnicity.

[minhtam1638]

well you're wrong. -_-

it's in New York, and in case you missed the empire state building, (a decade too early, but no mistaking it) preview Yuji even said it was in New York.

Wait, when was the Empire State Building built? 1921?

[ashlay]

Wait, when was the Empire State Building built? 1921?
construction started in 30 and ended in 31.

still, that building at the end of the preview looked a little bit too much like the Empire State Building to not entertain the idea that the production team wouldn't expect the target audience to know/care about something like that.

[X10A_Freedom]

Funny as hell and I was smiling most of the way! Ike's mood swings are like Shana-tan!

These slice-of-lifers are good by themselves but I wonder what's up with the actual story? Margery's flashback episode is interesting but the lack of progress in current times is quite annoying. Maybe it's tied in with Satou(?) asking about becoming a flame haze? Still, too little progress in the current front.

[ashlay]

Funny as hell and I was smiling most of the way! Ike's mood swings are like Shana-tan!

These slice-of-lifers are good by themselves but I wonder what's up with the actual story? Margery's flashback episode is interesting but the lack of progress in current times is quite annoying. Maybe it's tied in with Satou(?) asking about becoming a flame haze? Still, too little progress in the current front.
Well, this upcoming 2 episode arc does seem like a good opportunity to deal with Satou's desire to aid Margery (which was certainly a growing issue in season 1 with the lifting Blutsauger stuff)

And it's not coming out of nowhere in this season either, since they've been putting in little bits of this subplot for the last few weeks (the ramen eating, the talk about enjoying normal times, asking Shana about becoming a Flame Haze this week). And like the Shana flashback stuff last season, this should be a good chance for some fights and to clear up some other issues here and there.

[serenade_beta]

Door to the Past

The result of the many training sessions with Wilhemina is slowly starting to show, and Yuuji becomes one step closer to the next level.

On the other hand, Satou, who considers himself useless because he can't do anything while knowing what Yuuji is doing, finally asks Margery to please train him. He wants to become Margery's power and leave the city with her. He wants that power.

But, against the determined look on his face, Margery declares coldly, "You're going to die."

And then, she starts talking about the life style she has experienced in New York, the timeline was several years after world panic, where she fought Sydonay and met a Flame Haze.

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/08_01.jpg - Stupid idiot wants to die...

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/08_02.jpg - Fighting Sydonay?

It IS New York.

[Devard]

I really liked this episode. There were so many funny parts. The music direction was also very smart and made the scenes even funnier.

But Margery isn't Asian... is she?
Well, even if it was in Shanghai, non-Asians can still travel to Shanghai, right? ;)

[lua thien]

To think that Konoe could embarass the group by going on the kiddie rides...

Anyone notice that Ogata calls Shana "Shana-chan" instead of Yukari?

[minhtam1638]

To think that Konoe could embarass the group by going on the kiddie rides...

Anyone notice that Ogata calls Shana "Shana-chan" instead of Yukari?

I do believe that both Yuji and Kazumi have mentioned to the group that Yukari's nickname is Shana.

EDIT: Finally got access to the raw. For the moment where Fumina wants to go on the kiddy ride, I was yelling NO! NO! NO!

Hayato barfing afterwards? You got to be kidding me!

To the Roller Coaster scene... 90 minute wait? It was much more entertaining to see Shana go bungee jumping rather than Hayato having a breakdown. And just watching this episode, Hayato is very uncharacteristic around Kazumi.

In fact, I feel sorry for the roller coaster scene. Hayato stuck on a ride he's scared of in the first place.

At first glance of the "Star Wars" video game, I was half surprised that Matake was the only one surprised Shana got a high score. Then when Alastor began talking, I finally remembered that Keisaku and Eita have already seen Shana take a swing. Of course, cut to the picnic scene, and Yuji's "Exactly what did you do?" expression was priceless. "It's fine. I just played a video game."

Hayato flipping out for a cookie? Are you serious?

"So, exactly how did you become a flame haze?" Keisaku, don't tell me you're thinking of becoming one. Plus, Yuji and the chicken - that's a good spinoff.

Hayato... exactly WHO BARFS RIDING A FERRIS WHEEL?

And are they seriously still playing the Hishoku no Sora song... in season 2?

Actually, check that, I was yelling for the whole episode. This was just hilarious.

[Aquifina]

Despite my complete lack of Japanese language skills, I watched the raw out of impatience. I still found big chunks funny--poor Ike seems to have some kind of motion sickness disorder. And Shana playing the video game and winning a prize was amusing. The whole ep. was also so obviously over-the-top and fun; I'm looking forward to the sub.

[minhtam1638]

Despite my complete lack of Japanese language skills, I watched the raw out of impatience. I still found big chunks funny--poor Ike seems to have some kind of motion sickness disorder. And Shana playing the video game and winning a prize was amusing. The whole ep. was also so obviously over-the-top and fun; I'm looking forward to the sub.

I want to see that prize Shana got. Stuffed neko for the win!

[kimchipride]

Ugh... Eclipse is slow this week. No Hayate and Shana is late. Can't blame them though. :( I want to watch those eps! At least they did Clannad. That's like the top priority for them.

[minhtam1638]

Ugh... Eclipse is slow this week. No Hayate and Shana is late. Can't blame them though. :( I want to watch those eps! At least they did Clannad. That's like the top priority for them.

EDIT: It wasn't staff issues. QC checking has produced negative results over Eclipse, and as a result, the episodes are being continually reworked.

[arkxkra]

erm, this epsidoe consider a filler ??? I mean, it talk about Ike's plan but most of the "perfect" plan is failed in the end... Ike suitable to become a general ...
Shana is so cool when she playing that game, and break the record as well...

Next episode is memory of Margery, don't know which episode only start some awesome fighting scene...

[minhtam1638]

erm, this epsidoe consider a filler ??? I mean, it talk about Ike's plan but most of the "perfect" plan is failed in the end... Ike suitable to become a general ...
Shana is so cool when she playing that game, and break the record as well...

Next episode is memory of Margery, don't know which episode only start some awesome fighting scene...

Lately, a LOT of episodes have been fillers.

[UPR]

Lately, a LOT of episodes have been fillers.

well unlike ZnT this 24-25 season so it can afford a few fillers at the begining to make the end a whole lot better.

With that said I don't mind these fillers because with the number of ep this has.

[minhtam1638]

well unlike ZnT this 24-25 season so it can afford a few fillers at the begining to make the end a whole lot better.

With that said I don't mind these fillers because with the number of ep this has.

That's the good thing. The bad thing is that it took 24 episodes to get through 9 novels. How much will they spend going through 9 more?

[Proto]

The problem might be that there are only 16 novel available for the main story, so they need to slowe the rhythm :p

[minhtam1638]

The problem might be that there are only 16 novel available for the main story, so they need to slowe the rhythm :p

No, it's not that. The actual writer of the novel is also the storywriter for the anime version, so that just cannot be the problem.

[Lilprid]

Are you watching the raw?

[UPR]

No, it's not that. The actual writer of the novel is also the storywriter for the anime version, so that just cannot be the problem.

If that is the case then should we not trust in him that he knows what he is doing. If it's the same person writing the novels then he must have a plan for doing this. He is not writing a very successful novel and writing the anime for nothing, he must be doing something right.

[Tokkan]

No, it's not that. The actual writer of the novel is also the storywriter for the anime version, so that just cannot be the problem.

Incorrect, he is not the story writer, he is prviding assistance with the writing.

[ashlay]

Incorrect, he is not the story writer, he is prviding assistance with the writing.
to be fair, that's certainly more than we can say for s1.

[Ratix]

I don't think the writer is the same person..

[Tokkan]

I don't think the writer is the same person..

No, the main writer for both anime series is the same person, Yasuko Kobayashi. The scriptwriters for individual episodes however... only 2 of the 3 from the first series, Kobayashi herself and Hideki Shirane have been involved in the second season so far. Kobayashi wrote the first 3 episodes (and also wrote episode 10, which hasn't aired yet) and Shirane wrote episodes 5 and 7.

For the record, in the first season, Kobayashi wrote the scripts for 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23 and 24. Shirane wrote episodes 6, 9, 12, 13 and 20. The one who's so far been missing from the second season is Katsuichi Satou, who wrote the scripts for episodes 5, 11, 14, 15 and 16 of season 1.

Season 2 introduced us to 2 new script writers to the series, Kazuhiko Inukai (4, and the upcoming ep 8) and Seishi Minakami (6 and the upcoming ep 9).

[minhtam1638]

Okay, then what about the rumor that Takahashi was involved in the SnS II project?

[Tokkan]

Okay, then what about the rumor that Takahashi was involved in the SnS II project?

He is involved.

http://www.shakugan.com/staff/index.html

シリーズ構成協力 高橋弥七郎

"Series Composition Assistance - Yashichirou Takahashi"


He's also credited in the OP, though his role is shortened to just 構成協力 (Composition Assistance). The one in charge of Series Composition, or in other words, the series writer is the one who is in charge of writing the entire plot line of the series, not the scripts of individual episodes. Though Kobayashi does write episode scripts.

[newby]

lol i watched the chinese subbed version. Generally the episode is ok. Ike is over-reacting to kazumi's actions lol.

Also, shana playing the video game was funny too.

Looking forward to the next episode.

[alvinkhorfire]

EDIT: It wasn't staff issues. QC checking has produced negative results over Eclipse, and as a result, the episodes are being continually reworked.

Correct me if I am wrong. I think that there is a lot more text to be subbed than usual, causing Hayate to be released later than usual. In turn, the release of SnS is also delayed.

[minhtam1638]

Correct me if I am wrong. I think that there is a lot more text to be subbed than usual, causing Hayate to be released later than usual. In turn, the release of SnS is also delayed.

I believe it was something like that, yes. Eclipse and Static Subs usually follow this cycle:

Hayate no Gotoku
Clannad
Shakugan no Shana

and rotate, and they get other stuff done during their free periods.

[alvinkhorfire]

minhtam2448
How do you know about QC checking issue? Do you know someone in Eclipse or Static Subs?

[minhtam1638]

minhtam2448
How do you know about QC checking issue? Do you know someone in Eclipse or Static Subs?

Well, I'm not sure if it's quality check, but it was quality.

http://forum.staticsubs.org/index.php?topic=1613.0

[alvinkhorfire]

And it's not coming out of nowhere in this season either, since they've been putting in little bits of this subplot for the last few weeks (the ramen eating, the talk about enjoying normal times, asking Shana about becoming a Flame Haze this week).

I think that it is possible for Satou to be a Flame Haze. Although he can start to train under Marjorie, his ability is limited as he is just a human. Being a Flame haze will enable him to be in better position to fight Tomogara.

But then, is there any available Crimson Denizen for him to make contact with? Does he have enough capacity to make a contact?

erm, this episode consider a filler ??? I mean, it talk about Ike's plan but most of the "perfect" plan is failed in the end... Ike suitable to become a general ...

I do have a hunch that his plan will fail, but I don't expect it fails to this extent. After all, he is a smart student and he did have a detailed preparation. Then, why did he fail? Is it because the info he obtained is incorrect?

[minhtam1638]

I think that it is possible for Satou to be a Flame Haze. Although he can start to train under Marjorie, his ability is limited as he is just a human. Being a Flame haze will enable him to be in better position to fight Tomogara.

But then, is there any available Crimson Denizen for him to make contact with? Does he have enough capacity to make a contact?

It is possible for any human to become a Flame Haze, but there has to be a Crimson Denizen for him to make a contract. Are there any available? We don't know.

I do have a hunch that his plan will fail, but I don't expect it fails to this extent. After all, he is a smart student and he did have a detailed preparation. Then, why did he fail? Is it because the info he obtained is incorrect?

Hayato's info was based on average turnout at that particular amusement park. Seems like there were more people than Hayato expected.

[lua thien]

Is it possible that a human can become a Tomogara and vice versa?

[ashlay]

Is it possible that a human can become a Tomogara and vice versa?
Tomogara's do have the ability to change portions of reality given enough power of existence or even just a specific power of existence, so its perfectly possible.

as for Humans? well, I'd say that's basically what being a flame haze entails: all the positives of being from the crimson realm (increased abilities, immortality, etc.) without any of the negatives (needing PoE to maintain self in the human world). But other than that I rather doubt it. At best, a lone human can only forcibly convert themselves into Hougu. (like Tenmoku Ikko) You'd have to become a torch to even be able to be like tomogara, but there's only one torch who can maintain themself indefinitely, so it doesn't really work.

[Proto]

Not to mention that the meaning of Guze no Tomogara is Crimson Denizens, and our friend the dictionary defines denizen as

denizen
n 1: a person who inhabits a particular place [syn: inhabitant,
dweller]

You can be an chikyu no tomogara if that makes you feel better :p

[tabun]

Ah, thank you, mintham 2448, for the info on the subbing process. I dared not ask myself what's taking them so long, as I would generally call it bad manners (like in I demand my free service now :p ). I will just be a little more patient and wait ^^

[minhtam1638]

Ah, thank you, mintham 2448, for the info on the subbing process. I dared not ask myself what's taking them so long, as I would generally call it bad manners (like in I demand my free service now :p ). I will just be a little more patient and wait ^^
Yeah, the folks at Static Subs really do get mad when we ask. Basically, I asked if I could fill a position just in case, despite not having enough experience, and they stated their problems.

[tabun]

I liked the talk about a cadet team etc. :heh:

Knowing that there is hardly any story development at all again makes waiting matter far less to me. In fact, it led me to watch Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann after all, and that is something I should be thankful for!

Alas, enough of the off topic!

Edit:
Speaking of which, ep 8 is on right now...

*runs*
hahahaha ^^

[grey_moon]

What in the world has happened to this series? I'm so disappointed in the lack of everything. Is this following the novels at all? With the original author on board I would have thought the whole thing would be better then S1. Instead Ike's day sums up my feelings for S2 in general.

Forget my gripes about Yuji, how about some sensibility in the way Yoshida and Shana are depicted? We have them going through their nuclear break down for the last 4 episodes and after what I consider a really badly written solution to their problem now they not only don't show a bit of jealousy they don't even try to spend time together with Yuji.

Come on at least if anyone has been jealous before they should know it is not that easy an emotion to turn off.

I dunno what to say, apart from poor Ike guy has it bad.

[Kristen]

So, this series has kind of gone completely downhill. It has become completely unoriginal, and has nothing to do with the concept of this series, being flame haze and torches. Heck, the closest we got was Alastor telling Shana to not use her powers recklessly, and the question "How do I become a flame haze?"
Next week it seems like it may be steering back towards a plot. For now, this series is just in the dumps. It started as my 2nd most anticipated of the week, now I can basically care less.

[ashlay]

So, this series has kind of gone completely downhill. It has become completely unoriginal, and has nothing to do with the concept of this series, being flame haze and torches. Heck, the closest we got was Alastor telling Shana to not use her powers recklessly, and the question "How do I become a flame haze?"
Next week it seems like it may be steering back towards a plot. For now, this series is just in the dumps. It started as my 2nd most anticipated of the week, now I can basically care less.
hate to break it to you, but stuff like this mixed with the Guze material IS the concept of the series. :rolleyes:

[minhtam1638]

So, this series has kind of gone completely downhill. It has become completely unoriginal, and has nothing to do with the concept of this series, being flame haze and torches. Heck, the closest we got was Alastor telling Shana to not use her powers recklessly, and the question "How do I become a flame haze?"
Next week it seems like it may be steering back towards a plot. For now, this series is just in the dumps. It started as my 2nd most anticipated of the week, now I can basically care less.

You know how much I hate it when people pay attention to only half of what the series is about.

[SeedFreedom]

I think, along with most of the other people who posted those comments, aren't really mad at the fact we are getting a slice of life/ romance side of the story. The problem is we aren't moving on with the story line. They had everyone basically standing still for 5 eps and maybe its nice for one or two eps, or different aspects of that, but when the same thing drags on it gets annoying.

[grey_moon]

I can't agree with the past 5 episodes being the concept of the series. For me I like to see some form of pattern to a character's development, but so far in S2 Yuji, Shana and Yoshida don't make any sense to me at all. The sudden change in their characters and when issues suddenly disappear are more suited to series that deal with an episode at a time and don't deal with continuity. It is not slice of life as I like that type of stuff, it is not lack of action, nor is it my favourite girl not getting enough screen time. The show is staggering around like a drunk that has had far more to drink then Margery has had in her life time.

[FlareKnight]

Well another episode at least. Ike has a pretty rough day and should really avoid any amusement parks in the future. Or at least see a doctor concerning the extreme sensitivity to motion if even a ferris wheel can push him over the edge.

Shana really goes for the bonus round maxing the game at 9,999,999 to get the grand prize. Though considering what she has done in the past that really is a simple game. Bit surprised she didn't care much about not being in Yuji's group.

Then Satou trying to find out about becoming a flame haze. Not that its out of the question and a reasonable step if you want to get strong enough to do something. Right now he can't really do much. Plus he knows things wont' stay like this and people are going to start leaving. Not even like Eita who is having a growing relationship to keep him grounded.

But guess next episode we'll get some Margery past which will be nice. Plus why she doesn't want either to get too involved. Since I have a feeling that guy who was following behind Margery in the past didn't have a pretty end.

[OverFunk]

While you all grown ups (:p) discuss, I'll just say that I enjoyed this episode, definitely way more than 4-6, that tried to be all serious. Then I already knew what 8 was about, maybe I didn't get mad this time knowing this beforehand.

This one didn't take itself all that serious. Epic inner monologues, some spotlight to other characters and even eyecatch spam (this series does that well) with the old eyecatch music too.

Shana was amazing in that game, and interesting how she can bungee jump with a skirt on, lol.

Yeah, it sorta annoyed me the inconsistency of the main characters, but this one was about Ike, so I let it pass (can't write Keikaku without Ike).

[stormy001_M1A2]

This ep is alright to me, it shows what Ike's stake in Yoshida's future which might turn up interesting when things getting serious hot later in the series.

[ashlay]

I think, along with most of the other people who posted those comments, aren't really mad at the fact we are getting a slice of life/ romance side of the story. The problem is we aren't moving on with the story line. They had everyone basically standing still for 5 eps and maybe its nice for one or two eps, or different aspects of that, but when the same thing drags on it gets annoying.
see, but a lot of people angry with the show right now aren't saying that, instead we have: "oh this is filler", "this isn't what the characters are about", and all these stock phrases.

It's not a problem that people don't like the show so far for lack of development, it's a problem that they're misrepresenting this show. It's not a just about the Guze material, especially in this portion of the story, when there's entire volumes with nothing but school material. And no, this story isn't about Yuji and Shana getting into a serious relationship, it's about them trying to do so, and the continuous setbacks that get in the way of that. I can't stand people talking as if the anime is screwing up somehow in those ways (certainly not saying you can't suggest it's screwing up though), because quite simply that's the concept behind Shana, that's the source material, that is what it is.

Yes the second season is slow, yes they likely have a severe lack of material and it may have been prudent to wait until the novels were complete, and yes parts of this are filler (but not all of it, and certainly not in terms of tone, so be careful and check a little before you just go ahead and throw that word out). But people should say that, not these other accusations of this not being what SnS is about or this being inconsistent with the characters.

[Kristen]

You know how much I hate it when people pay attention to only half of what the series is about.

Don't assume so much. I know about the harem elements. :D It's just they have ignored this "half of what the series is about" for 5 episodes now, and the series doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
It would be like Harry Potter in a book where they completely ignore the fact that they are wizards. It wouldn't work.

I'm not liking it. It's boring to me. Even looking at it from the harem/romance elements alone, it's not a good storyline.

[Midonin]

Ike planning a day at the amusement park for a special girl...

Not just because of the VA (though that helps), almost reminded me of Touma's similar outing in Digimon Savers...which by the purest coincidence, was also episode 7 of its particular series. Touma had better luck than Ike, needless to say.

Even if SnS II is in an...odd place at the moment, at least this episode was fun. All hail Shana, the CGI demon slayer! I can always count on amusement park episodes to entertain me. Always have for some reason.

[FlareKnight]

Ike planning a day at the amusement park for a special girl...

Not just because of the VA (though that helps), almost reminded me of Touma's similar outing in Digimon Savers...which by the purest coincidence, was also episode 7 of its particular series. Touma had better luck than Ike, needless to say.

Even if SnS II is in an...odd place at the moment, at least this episode was fun. All hail Shana, the CGI demon slayer! I can always count on amusement park episodes to entertain me. Always have for some reason.
Wow when thinking back that's a fitting comparison. Though things did work out better for Touma. Probably due to the fact that the amount of times Ike tossed his cookies makes his day worse my default. Arriving at the amusement park is what turned Touma's day around anyways.

Regardless of how I feel on the series up to this point it wasn't a bad episode. Shana really owned the CGI enemies on this day. Besides the fact this is the first time she's attacked something other than Yuji for a while.

[Strabo]

I've been complaing about the overly large amounts of filler in this season of SnS, and, yes, this episode was filler too.

But I don't care. Because it was so funny. Everything about it was hilarious, each joke worked perfectly. I just feel a bit sorry for poor Ike.

I'm normally against fansubbers adding things to the sub, but the dubbed version I watched (Ayako) had what was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.
The subs went: Ike:"..and I stayed up all night making keikaku." (Paraphrasing)
With a translators note at the top saying 'Note, keikaku means plan'

I loled. Hard.

[minhtam1638]

I can't agree with the past 5 episodes being the concept of the series. For me I like to see some form of pattern to a character's development, but so far in S2 Yuji, Shana and Yoshida don't make any sense to me at all. The sudden change in their characters and when issues suddenly disappear are more suited to series that deal with an episode at a time and don't deal with continuity. It is not slice of life as I like that type of stuff, it is not lack of action, nor is it my favourite girl not getting enough screen time. The show is staggering around like a drunk that has had far more to drink then Margery has had in her life time.

Welcome to the world where we call slice-of-life. It's different. It makes people change suddenly. Do you think that after six months of being together that Yuji, Shana, Kazumi, et al. will follow some sort of pattern? In real life, that doesn't happen, so it would make sense that character development wouldn't follow a pattern here.

Speaking of which, if you recall my explanations from the novel thread (assuming you have read it), Yuji's message in this story is about "life". What's life without a little everyday mundaneness? These every-day events are as much as important to life as those dangers that we will encounter in the future, symbolized by the crimson denizens who attack Yuji out of nowhere. In a sense, you're telling me that for the past 5 episodes, the Reiji Maigo isn't important at all. It doesn't make sense to me.

[ZODDGUTS]

Boy this episode suck. It felt like a filler episode hell it probably was a filler episode. So far this season has dissapointed me not as good as the first season was.They still have the whole love triangle going on without really moving it forward hell they even added another girl in the mix ugh. Hope sometime during the season Shana and Yuji finally leave the city and the whole annoying love triangle is done with.

But Margery isn't Asian... is she?

With a name and a body like that doesn't take much of a guess she isn't. :heh:

I remembered it was mentioned somewhere that Margery is Scottish. Hair colour is irrelevant in anime in determining one's ethnicity.

Not neccasarly most of the time anyone with blond hair in anime are either a "half" (mix) or a dumb loud mouth foreigner with big breast and nice body. Guess which Margery fits in... :rolleyes:

Though Margery isn't dumb just drunk most of the time...

[grey_moon]

Yes the second season is slow, yes they likely have a severe lack of material and it may have been prudent to wait until the novels were complete, and yes parts of this are filler (but not all of it, and certainly not in terms of tone, so be careful and check a little before you just go ahead and throw that word out). But people should say that, not these other accusations of this not being what SnS is about or this being inconsistent with the characters.

Firstly there are plenty of shows that have been finished where the original haven't and they were good stories in their own right. What happened to chants of the original author being on board? Shouldn't that make it even easier to produce a good show?

I judge a show on what I see now and what I have been shown in the past. I don't do the whole read the future stuff. Defence via vapourware, I leave that up to the Microsoft marketing team. If I am hoping for something to happen in the future I say it. A good example is Myself; Yourself threads in regards to Nanaka's actions in the earlier episodes.

Now lets clear something up. My definition of good consistent characterisation. I expect a character to act based on what has been shown previously. If the writers shows a character acting very jealous for 4 episodes I expect something to happen that justifies the resolution. A Scooby Doo ending just doesn't do SnS any justice at all. There was a great example of a lack of this is S1. Do you recall all the angsting Yuji did about leaving the city, about people close to him not being a torch, about not being useful to Shana. Now all these add up to how I define the character called Yuji. Then when suddenly he does what I consider a out of character action such as running after Yoshida in the festival scene, I call that inconsistency in the character, because all the build up doesn't fit the new action.

Welcome to the world where we call slice-of-life. It's different. It makes people change suddenly. Do you think that after six months of being together that Yuji, Shana, Kazumi, et al. will follow some sort of pattern? In real life, that doesn't happen, so it would make sense that character development wouldn't follow a pattern here.

Speaking of which, if you recall my explanations from the novel thread (assuming you have read it), Yuji's message in this story is about "life". What's life without a little everyday mundaneness? These every-day events are as much as important to life as those dangers that we will encounter in the future, symbolized by the crimson denizens who attack Yuji out of nowhere. In a sense, you're telling me that for the past 5 episodes, the Reiji Maigo isn't important at all. It doesn't make sense to me.


I love slice of life, H&C, Ai Yori Aoshi, Azumanga, To Heart, they all hold a special place in my heart. I actually have far more slice of life series in my top 10 list then any others.

In regards to my question about the novells I was actually wondering if having the author on-board was keeping it on track with the novels. But please tell me you don't consider the last 5 episodes to be normal day to day events. Having 2 girls go spazmo over a socially inept princess character is not day to day. Having the day go consistently wrong for Ike is not day to day, hell the Scooby Gang even kept pointing it out. This episode is out of the ordinary for 2 reasons, first it was a day out (not a day to day activity) and secondly it was special because Ike planned it as the romantic debut of his life. Not day to day not ordinary.

[kyonkun]

Filler though it may be, I enjoyed this episode. Then again, I just finished Clannad #8. (Tears? Those weren't tears. I put too much Visine in my eyes, that's all. Yeah, Visine. *sniff*)

Slight digression: you want to talk horrible filler? Try Rurounin Kenshin after the Kyoto Arc. Compared to that, Shana #7 was downright entertaining.

Ike should remember another famous quote: "The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry." It was hilarious how he planned everything to the hour only to have Konoe derail them as soon they entered the front gate. By the way, was that a Moleskine he was writing in?

Watching this episode brings back memories of how my father and I made battle plans before our trips to Disneyland. Once we got there, we had to see the list of attractions undergoing maintenance. (Splash Mountain closed? NOOOO!)...Which meant making a barrel of corrections to our itinerary.

Side question: I noticed that some parks in the States now issue express tickets that allow one to advance to the front of the line. Have the parks in Japan adopted that practice? (I wouldn't be surprised if Japan started the idea in the first place.)

Nice to see Shana and Kazumi apply what they learned from last week's episode and not fight over Yuji. Shana exchanged a few significant words with Satou, and Kazumi brightening up Ike's day with a few choice phrases, even if Ike read too much into them.

Shana's VR Monster Slash Session was Teh Win. I'm glad the scoreboard maxed out at (10,000,000-1) and didn't rollover back to zero. Anyway, what the heck did she win? Umbrella? Calendar? Incense sticks? A literal Cat in the Can?

What is interesting is that despite her facial expressions, Shana enjoyed that Swing the Saber game. Her dead-pan expression on the bungee cord cracked me up. Is it just me, or did she go through the whole day without melon bread? [Update: Thanks to Devard for the definitive screenshot.]

I don't read the manga nor do I intend to, but I wonder if this episode will be significant down the road. At the end of the day, everyone (even Ike) had an enjoyable time. I wonder if these pleasant experiences will make a difference to those who haven't been aware of fuzetsu-world, namely, Ike, Konoe, and Ogata. Since they spend so much time together, it's almost inevitable that they will come under Tomogara attack.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into this, and I should just laugh at the filler. :D

[minhtam1638]

What is interesting is that despite her facial expressions, Shana enjoyed that Swing the Saber game. Her dead-pan expression on the bungee cord cracked me up. Is it just me, or did she go through the whole day without melon bread?

Wait... I thought something was missing from this episode...

[Devard]

Is it just me, or did she go through the whole day without melon bread?
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8702/breadpq7.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=breadpq7.jpg)

[FlareKnight]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8702/breadpq7.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=breadpq7.jpg)
Whew and here I was worried that something was wrong with the universe :).

[teachopvutru]

Whew and here I was worried that something was wrong with the universe :).

They should put melon bread in place of turkey for Thanksgiving =/

I'm still waiting for SS-Eclipse sub but at this rate I guess I should go for Ayako & YM afterall...

[FlareKnight]

They should put melon bread in place of turkey for Thanksgiving =/

I'm still waiting for SS-Eclipse sub but at this rate I guess I should go for Ayako & YM afterall...
Ah Turkey. Makes me wish it was Canadian Thanksgiving again. That bird is always good to solve problems. Though I'm sure Shana wouldn't mind making melon bread a national staple.

Might as well go with the Ayako&YM for now. I'll probably replace it with the SS-Eclipse myself when it comes out. But it's a good sub for just knowing what's going on.

[teachopvutru]

Ah Turkey. Makes me wish it was Canadian Thanksgiving again. That bird is always good to solve problems. Though I'm sure Shana wouldn't mind making melon bread a national staple.

Might as well go with the Ayako&YM for now. I'll probably replace it with the SS-Eclipse myself when it comes out. But it's a good sub for just knowing what's going on.

I heard Ayako & YM is pretty decent as well and can be on par with SS & Eclipse. (but for some reason some people dislike YM and rates it bad on anidb) Personally, I stick with SS & Eclipse on when they're among the groups subbing a certain anime (a lot of animes they sub are my favorite, and SS & Eclipse brings good translation [or so I've heard] + quality).

Ahh... I'm getting off-topic again ><
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Shana is the best!

[tabun]

Actually, not viewing this episode with too high expectations made it rather enjoyable for me! And next episode will feature some fleshing out of Margery Daw's character to boot - great :D

On a sidenote, discussing subbing group's quality may not be the most courteous thing to do (at least here). I am more than happy someone is subbing Shana, having the luxury of diversity is just the icing on the cake.

[blewin]

it's a funny episode, but I'm a bit disappointed that the "main dish" hasn't started yet. Compared with first season, there's a lot of "gallivanting" around here.

still, it's nice to see how Ike would go into all that trouble for Yoshida. man... Sakai isn't even trying! Yoshida's wasting her time on him.

[akitakumi]

thx ss&eclipsde for finally sub episode 7... yahoo... :D

[Mizuno]

this episode feels like an ova or a special, totally unrelated to the actual story. :heh:

but it wasn't that bad, all is good.

[Anh_Minh]

Ike is somewhat lacking in ambition... But I guess it's reasonable of him - he knows Yoshida hasn't given up on Yuji yet.

I just noticed, but when did the other classmates start calling Shana "Shana" instead of "Hirai" or "Yukari"?

[DazarGaidin]

^ noticed that too this episode

I wanted to pound my face into the desk in the episode. Ike was kinda cool before and got real annoying and whiney this episode. Not to mention that i'm reaching my harem limit. This is going no where.

5/10

Oh and i think maybe alastor, unless he wants to, won't be heard by normal people, the only ones that seemed to hear him was shana and margerys guys


Come on Margery, save us!

PS : i noticed someone using my shana sig so ill remove it i guess :D

[Mizuno]

lol, i didn't realize it at first. this totally feels like a "special" episode and out of place. at least ep 8 looks to be a lot more promising, and i don't mean the fanservice.

[lua thien]

To think that Ike neglected to scout the amusement park or call the managers there to see the conditions of all the rides and food stands.

Research is one thing but actual reconaissance makes it more effective.

[grey_moon]

To think that Ike neglected to scout the amusement park or call the managers there to see the conditions of all the rides and food stands.

Research is one thing but actual reconaissance makes it more effective.

He certainly needs to do some form of training to help him get over his motion sickness. Poor lad will never survive if the motion from a Ferris wheel can get him :twitch:

[OverFunk]

He certainly needs to do some form of training to help him get over his motion sickness. Poor lad will never survive if the motion from a Ferris wheel can get him :twitch:
Heh, a children's car race made him dizzy... Don't ask me how...

I must also mention that Shana fitted quite nicely in her car...

[Thentus]

I just noticed, but when did the other classmates start calling Shana "Shana" instead of "Hirai" or "Yukari"?

Yeah but since they are "involved" aren't they sort of obligated to call her that since they know her position now?

[ashlay]

Yeah but since they are "involved" aren't they sort of obligated to call her that since they know her position now?
except that Ogata did it too.

basically, Yuji and possibly others explained that was her 'nickname' at some undisclosed point. :eyespin:

[S_K]

Agh! wheres all the Action and the Bal Masque stuff, i think ive had enough of this lovey dovey romance stuff
I really want to know if Keisuke(the dude who wants to becomes a flame haze) is hes going to become a flame haze

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Ike's struggle throughout this ep is actually quite entertaining to watch. It never occur to me that he loves Yoshida so much. I guess it's just the director never really focus the show on Ike before that he turns out to be an entirely different character than i pictured him to be. To feel sick riding ferris wheel in my opinion is just stupid. If this is true, than he can't ride a bus or a car without feeling nauseous.
Lastly, where on earth is the action? Feels like i'm watching a different show.

[kimchipride]

+1 Ike's desktop is a group of girls!
+4 Ike's researching
+2 Bungee Jumping!
+2 Overall Humor

I thought it was a very enjoyable episode. It was almost as funny as a Clannad ep on its non funny eps

[alvinkhorfire]

Heh, a children's car race made him dizzy... Don't ask me how...

In the Shakugan no Shana Special, it was mentioned that previously it was a lot worse than that. He even fell sick just by looking at a bus.

[Guido]

This episode was neither overly good nor bad either. To me it seemed as a full-fledged, running TV episode of a Shana-tan special except that it focused on Ike as the main lead. Ike-tan, anyone?


I did love the choices of music employed when Ike started to get dramatic or facing a serious crisis out of the norm.

At the waiting line for the rollercoaster ride knowing full well he easily gets motion-sicked at any ride. The song used on that scene was that one played when a crisis starts brewing that leads to a confrontation.

The second when he got all fired-up to win to the exit out of the maze with Kazumi as fast as anyone else. The song played is 'Reveil', the last track from the soundtrack to season one.
This song played in the last episode to season one when Shana summoned Alastor's real form.


Surprisingly and coincidentally this episode played an exact and same theme as an episode of Digimon Savers did, and which both happened to be a seventh episode.

The theme was that Ike got so easily frustrated when things quickly started to get out of control and in chaos outside from his project plan.

He just got too stressed up and depressed for his continuous bad luck streak. He should just had taken it easy and delegated some responsibilities with the others.

To add more insult I had imagined at first that the more Ike imagined he at last ran to the exit, then he and Kazumi would had ended up in a deadend thus abruptly ending the drama of the moment for comedy purposes.

But, instead saved the ruined moment when he at last boarded the ferris wheel with Kazumi, but his motion-sickness caused him to puke in front of her thus staining what could had been the best of all his memories.:heh:

It looks like the only winners in the day out at the theme park were Konoe, enjoying the soft rides, and Shana, enjoying the challenging rides plus winning a prize.


If there's something remotely interesting in this episode that has any relation back with the main storyline....

Happened when Satou asked Shana how he can become a Flame Haze, arising Alastor's inquiry to that question.

This looks to setup the theme for the next episode when both boys will ask Margery to train them to become Flame Hazes, reviving in her a memory from her past.

[alvinkhorfire]

Where is Outo (as mentioned by Ike as he checked the weather forecast) ? And, what exactly did Shana win in the virtual game?

[Thentus]

Yuji and possibly others explained that was her 'nickname' at some undisclosed point. :eyespin:

Or they just kept hearing it repetitively in class and ended up just adopting it like Alastor :S.

[ashlay]

Where is Outo (as mentioned by Ike as he checked the weather forecast) ? And, what is exactly did Shana win in the virtual game?
stuffed cat in a tube. :heh:

maybe we'll get to see it in episode 10.

[HashiriyaR32]

Looks like they brought back some of the BGM and the eyecatch from season 1, at least for this episode.

[Sorrow-K]

I've been somewhat enjoying the slice-of-life eps since the combination of frustrated Shana, angsty Yoshida and clingy Konoe has enough moe to cover the universe. I admit the story has sucked this season, but I've never had high expectations for SnS, and I'm at least enjoying this on a superficial level. But this ep was terrible. Totally pointless, and doesn't even bother to have the excessive moe of the SOL eps to date.

The only moment that was even remotely interesting was when Satou asked Shana how to become a Flame Haze. That was it.

It seems that the writers hate Ike. I'm rather indifferent to him, but I can't say anything in this ep added at all to the little sympathy I have for him.

[Shiroth]

It seems that the writers hate Ike. I'm rather indifferent to him, but I can't say anything in this ep added at all to the little sympathy I have for him.
Thanks to this episode, i can laugh at him more then i could before hand. That's basically all i did this episode.

[Master Chibi]

I fucking hate Konoe so god damn bad.

I've never wanted to drop kick a character in the face SO bad. I was hoping that kiddie ride would have somehow lead her off the edge of a CLIFF (which would have been awesome).

[Paul]

Now i don't want to go over all the things that people have already said, so il just say that i thought this was a great episode. It was well written, funny and had some memorable moments in it. It also seems to serve as an end to the whole jealousy arc and also may serve as a beginning to a more serious turn of events.

Overall a good episode displaying the ideas and mindset of a character that has not yet been introduced to us in such depth.

[holyman282]

This ep was pretty mild to say the least. Not that interested in Ike and Yoshida's development so luckily I watched it with ep 8 already out.

[Guardian Enzo]

While this took the domestication trend to an all-new high, I enjoyed this ep much more than most this season. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it played like a full length Shanatan ep, because that's exactly what I was thinking - right down to the frequent episode breaks and hilarious use of BGM.

[grey_moon]

While this took the domestication trend to an all-new high, I enjoyed this ep much more than most this season. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it played like a full length Shanatan ep, because that's exactly what I was thinking - right down to the frequent episode breaks and hilarious use of BGM.

I would have appreciated some facial characterisation on Alastors part even if it was only for the benefit of the viewer. For example him covering his eyes when going to Shana to not use her powers in public. Also it would have been much more amusing if there was a huge display flashing to show someone getting a perfect score and her showered in melon bread or something like that.

I do think this episode was wasted, not in the sense of it just being a filler, but they did have a chance to add more depth to the whole romance, relationship thing they have going on. If they decided to let Ike succeed, they could have dealt with Yoshida feelings for someone who does notice her and had confessed to her, over her kinda one sided feelings for the black hole boy. Instead it seems to be just something to sweep under the carpet, no impact, no real repercussions to the show, well unless that cat in the tube is a bomb planted by an agent of Balle Masque :p

[DazarGaidin]

^^ oddly enough the thought (hope?) did cross my mind when she got it...

[Domo-Chan]

I'm currently shocked that there is more play on the Romance aspect of Shakugan no shana and not alot of action basis. This is the 4th episode purly based on emotion, romance, and yuji mainly.
I would personally like to see more action implemented

[KaneDragon]

No time to read through the thread, but the highlights had to be:
Shana with a ponytail. And a lightsaber. And using hax to win at a VR game. While wearing a ponytail. o/

Also, Ike lookin' kinda cool in that eyecatch.

On to episode 8!

[anselfir]

wow, i totally skipped this ep and only saw 1-6 8, and only found out when i stumbled upon a screenshot of 7.

[DazarGaidin]

^not like you would notice...

[Domo-Chan]

How did u miss episode 7 when they did a symopsis of the previous episode at the beginning of episode 8