View Full Version : FanArt Kabuto, critic, comment, please..
As no one seemed to want critic/comment the Zabuza she drew I thought I post newer pic she drew on christmas.
So tell her what is wrong and what is not :D or something like that..
I'll make sure she reads what you have said.
http://hopeanuoli.television-series.com/kuvat/kabuto_vs_vs.jpg
nothing wrong at first glance :)
calavera spain
2004-01-25, 14:00
its perfect but maybe ther is a problem with the forhead..... if it was a bit larger.... i meen, i think its a little short and so it look a little scushed in the paper :)
Forsaken102
2004-01-25, 14:37
As no one seemed to want critic/comment the Zabuza she drew I thought I post newer pic she drew on christmas.
So tell her what is wrong and what is not :D or something like that..
I'll make sure she reads what you have said.
Wrong? You mean this wasn't done by the animators?
You're kidding, right? It looks perfect to me. :p
Well, maybe the collarbone looks just a teensy bit... wrong. But, it could be just my imagination. I mean, I'm studying this really, really hard looking for flaws, but seriously.... excellent work.
calavera: I'm not sure what you mean "so it look a little scushed in the paper ". if you could explain little? Especially word scushed, never heard..
Thank you.
Kitsune-bi
2004-01-25, 15:02
Oh I like it. Cell shading looks like it came right out of the the anime. :D
LordNasuke
2004-01-25, 15:08
you didnt just cut this out of an episode did you, lol, it seriously looks kick ass great work
calavera spain
2004-01-25, 15:27
i dont know how to explain it raelly well.... u see, the hair should disapear on the top right part of what the papper should be... right now i feel as if the head was shorter of what it should be
for the rest it's just perfect :D
Calavera: Thank you for clearing up ^^
wow as usual......and as usual.....we want your friend to get an account here!!
if not, then pass on to her that i love her stuf....its very simple and very nice....
its awsome, but I have a suggestion :P
If she already dosnt do this, she should try doing everything at a higher rez, then when shes done, reduce it to the size she wants, that might make some of the black lines smoother, or i could be wrong o.O
And yes, she needs to get an accont.
mundain: she actually does do them in higher res and then reduces their size (though some of the works have gone wrong with the lines because of few mistakes but all the new ones are done in high res).
historyX
2004-01-25, 17:03
EXCELLENT!! like all her other drawings i've seen... almost like a screenshot :) only mistake might be the thing that calavera mentioned, but i think most can't see it unless someone tells what to look..
OFFSPRiNGCo16
2004-01-25, 17:10
Looks great the onl thing that I see that makes it look slightly imperfect are the black lines on the cheek arent perfect for some reason. Other then that, nearly no imperfections. :p
get_a_life
2004-01-25, 20:59
As no one seemed to want critic/comment the Zabuza she drew I thought I post newer pic she drew on christmas.
So tell her what is wrong and what is not :D or something like that..
I'll make sure she reads what you have said.
http://hopeanuoli.television-series.com/kuvat/kabuto_vs_vs.jpg
why not draw the entire kabuto in some original pose? why only a face shot? couldnt you have been MORE creative?
im gonna say it again, it looks straight up copied from an episode.
why not draw the entire kabuto in some original pose? why only a face shot? couldnt you have been MORE creative?
im gonna say it again, it looks straight up copied from an episode.
Most people who are still learning only do the face. Plus, thats a damn big picture, it'd be pretty hard to scan something....full-body with those dimensions ;).
On a side note: please don't quote with img tags, it only wastes space in the thread.
This one happened to be face yes. But there are lots of work with more than just faces ^^
all of the drawings are ripped out from episodes indeed, I clicked around in some episodes and i found EXACTLY the same poses of the characters, cging and everything is exactly the same. you have either printed them out, drawn over them and scanned them, or directly ripped them out of the episodes.
all of the drawings are ripped out from episodes indeed, I clicked around in some episodes and i found EXACTLY the same poses of the characters, cging and everything is exactly the same. you have either printed them out, drawn over them and scanned them, or directly ripped them out of the episodes.
The ear looks off, so that's my guess.
Why the hostility?
First of all not mine but my girlfriends drawings.
Second she doesn't have a printer.
And I never suggested she doesn't look a model from the anime. But she does draw them all by herself and not through paper I assure you that. Ripped from the episodes? the backrounds are diffrent..
And as I said you haven't seen all the pictures.
So I ask again why the hostility?
Genius: believe what you will it's the truth :D
the background is different?`oooOHHOHOHOO! it takes about 1second to make the background another color.
Hero_Chan
2004-01-28, 05:17
that was mean..... :(
i for one think it's great! and there's nothing wrong with taking a picture elsewhere and redrawing it.....
zillford
2004-01-28, 13:44
jeezus christ, man. it's OBVIOUSLY a redraw, give the woman credit! it's not "ripped". nobody tried to pass it off as unreferenced, YOU made that assumption.
you could have maybe tried ASKING if it used the episodes for reference, but I guess that would have thwarted your one chance to try and make someone feel bad.
being able to 'draw what you see' is the basic "skill" of art. it can take awhile to master 'drawing what you see in your head' and referencing good art is never a fallacy. maybe you should give it a try before ragging on other peoples works!
Forsaken102
2004-01-28, 13:52
all of the drawings are ripped out from episodes indeed, I clicked around in some episodes and i found EXACTLY the same poses of the characters, cging and everything is exactly the same. you have either printed them out, drawn over them and scanned them, or directly ripped them out of the episodes.
I think I speak for everyone when I say...
"Bite me."
:p
Oh; I think that avatar suits you very well... It does seem to have its nose up in the air... :mad:
~Aznkid~
2004-01-30, 06:18
lol to tell the truth, from the first moment i saw the pic i thought it was a screenshot from the anime lol, but hell, m probabily rong, anyway good work ^^
As no one seemed to want critic/comment the Zabuza she drew I thought I post newer pic she drew on christmas.
So tell her what is wrong and what is not :D or something like that..
I'll make sure she reads what you have said.
http://hopeanuoli.television-series.com/kuvat/kabuto_vs_vs.jpg
http://www.blazenetwork.com/4images/data/media/74/Kabuto-01.jpg
Just the pupils look different.
http://www.blazenetwork.com/4images/details.php?image_id=7250
Hmmmm...
xFordainedxx
2004-02-22, 01:09
i dont think its the same just she copied the exact point in show i donno why u would go to so much trouble of coloring something that is a copy , as for commenting it its a very nice copie but thats all tell ur girlfriend to think up some poses or facail expression and make a pic of her own that we can comment on. :)
Demon_Spawn67
2004-02-22, 04:05
its funny cuz noticed when some one did a fan art of seras from hellsing teh eyes was off...
so i checked it out an dthe artsit fucked up on teh eyes in teh anime ((watched again for a 56th time^^))
ALSO KAKASHI ROCKS!!!!!!!
i dont think its the same just she copied the exact point in show i donno why u would go to so much trouble of coloring something that is a copy , as for commenting it its a very nice copie but thats all tell ur girlfriend to think up some poses or facail expression and make a pic of her own that we can comment on. :)
Actually, I was looking for Kabuto pics for a sig and browsing these forums at the same time.
black-epiphany
2004-02-23, 03:34
Just the pupils look different.
http://www.blazenetwork.com/4images/details.php?image_id=7250
Hmmmm...
That's sad. People who do traceovers and not reference should be shot xP
PeppstaR
2004-02-23, 04:15
all of the drawings are ripped out from episodes indeed, I clicked around in some episodes and i found EXACTLY the same poses of the characters, cging and everything is exactly the same. you have either printed them out, drawn over them and scanned them, or directly ripped them out of the episodes.
either way... I think it's looks great. It doesn't hurt to use references and the ability to duplicate something that well is great. Unless it's just traced... :nono:
sorry but i think this is no art. You can call something your work when it really is.
So if it was looking alike the picture in the anime, it would be an other story. But this is just steeling and calling it your own. (your galfriend that is)
ss_goku4
2004-02-23, 15:25
Relax......if it was copied, so be it. If you are a good artist, then you had to have copied at one point. Artists of all kinds do that. It looks good, and its good practice for CGing. I personaly don't copy other animes works. I just apply the style to fit my characters. Copying and posting.....now thats just low. It just gives you a feeling that that person can't be original.
I've seen and colored her other work though, she's good enough to do that by herself. Maybe she didn't in this one, but she could have done it without tracing.
Demon_Spawn67
2004-02-23, 19:44
I can't believe i missed this but i looked at it a second time...
no she redrew this... probably used teh anime pic for a ref.. but notice that teh lil lines on teh cheek and clothing are diffrent his ears are crrooked and the glasses are thiner and more squared the leaf on teh headband is shak and allso the tip points up too much also the eye drawn with less shadowing...
also look at all teh lines they are to fractured ta be copied by anything other than hand ... not even tracing gives such an effect on teh lines.... also teh shading not only does it have a paler color in teh original the original had a a darker shadow tone than hers..
My verdict....
the picture is obviously drawn by hand by looking at the pic then redrawing it on paper...
a good copy....kudos ta ur GF....seen a bit o her work too...
that pic is a hand drawn pic...
Traced over.
It's easy to see this. I've seen a lot of people do trace overs but they all SAY they do it. If they copied it by hand there would be a lot of differences even if they are REALLY good. It's easy to tell which ones she drew herself and which ones she traced off of screen shots. If you want proof take the 2 images in photoshop and put them on top of eachother to see how they match up. I am not saying she's a bad artist, but if she's tracing screen shots and not saying she traced them that's bad. Like someone said earlier, she's taking credit when it wasn't hers to begin with. I can even guess what kind of program she used to trace them in. It's either flash, illustrator or some other vector graphic program.
http://members.aol.com/iikobunii/kabuto1.jpg
This is the picture Shinkon posted.
http://members.aol.com/iikobunii/kabuto2.jpg
This is the gf's image of kabuto.
http://members.aol.com/iikobunii/kabuto3.jpg
This is both together, the top one is the Shinkon posted image and in the back is his gf's image.
It's but a hair off, that is to be expected. Another thing, the dimensions of the images are exactly the same. Another thing...it's not the EXACT same frame Shinkon posted...but it's good enough proof.
People just need to be honest.
black-epiphany
2004-02-24, 01:52
This is obviously a trace over. I'm an artist and I can just tell by looking at it. Tsurara did a wonderful job of proving it. I'm not saying tracing or referencing is wrong. I'm saying tracing and referencing without saying you did so is wrong.
I'm very sorry to even hear there is this kind of conversation..
First.. I don't use any programs to trace the pictures I draw (hell I don't even have any such programs ^^')
Second.. Like over half of the people who draw pics from naruto use references from the anime (or manga), it's just that those who succeed in it get blamed for tracing and such but people don't even bother to blame those who draw worse. Also if one uses manga as reference others don't always notice it nor will they make any accusations towards them.
It seems like I can't really prove you I've done all those by myself unless I videotape myself drawing them or something.. +.+ So it's sort of pointless conversation.
..it just annoys getting accused for tracing the pictures.
get over it--
Demon_Spawn67
2004-02-24, 14:22
Black
If u truly were an artist ((not that i am saying ur not)) u'd be able to tell the human erros in it...I have done drawings perfect with out tracing before and copying a pic...hell that how i started learning by drawing teh exact same thing i same freehanded no tracing...
((i apologize for continuing the conversationn))
look at teh pics u dun need a program ta see that it was drawn by hand...
there are too many things that show that it isn't a trace over...
look at it closely and read wat i said up the fourm abit under the two pics...
oh, black's an artist alright. Check out his/her stuff.
If you are drawing these perfect line for line replications then your original drawings would be a lot higher calibur. Stop lying and be truthful. YES black is an artist a very good one at that. He/she uses little Gaia Online sprites to make beautiful original pictures of the characters. THAT'S referencing...not tracing or stealing.
Demon_Spawn67
2004-02-24, 17:26
notice that there are human errors in the two pics.. ur placing 2 pics over another was a good idea but less focussed
the lines on all the pics are thicker giving more leway to a trace over outcome... if u acctually put both on top after removing the colors it would be diffrent
also i think artist who flaunt their skil are truly nuting more than fuck offs... i always try not to make myself seem better than every1
even if i was....((which i highly doubt since i suck at drawing but know a lot bout it.))
notice that there are human errors in the two pics.. ur placing 2 pics over another was a good idea but less focussed
the lines on all the pics are thicker giving more leway to a trace over outcome... if u acctually put both on top after removing the colors it would be diffrent
also i think artist who flaunt their skil are truly nuting more than fuck offs... i always try not to make myself seem better than every1
even if i was....((which i highly doubt since i suck at drawing but know a lot bout it.))
The only "Human Error" there is the hairline of difference that happens when you trace. Black is a better artist and knows from experience that this is a traced image. He/she isn't flaunting their art If you READ Raxial and I praised his/her art, they didn't say anything about their own art.
It's impossible to draw something on your own by just looking at a picture and drawing it and getting the same EXACT composision of lines. The human brain isn't capable of doing that unless they are an artistic genius. If they are an artistic genius it would be pretty obvious, and no one would question it.
There is no point in lying when it's painfully obvious. Plus I did remove the color...that's what you see in my match up, just outlines.
ok, i still think that she drew it. It's possible, especially with such a simplistic picture (compared to what I've seen other people do, just by doing it visually).
and what if she did trace it. It's not as if that makes her any worse. She's done better work without "tracing". Our colab wasn't traced, nor the wolf and boy colab, and they are both amazing quality.
It's equally possible that she drew it herself and that she traced it.
ok, i still think that she drew it. It's possible, especially with such a simplistic picture (compared to what I've seen other people do, just by doing it visually).
and what if she did trace it. It's not as if that makes her any worse. She's done better work without "tracing". Our colab wasn't traced, nor the wolf and boy colab, and they are both amazing quality.
It's equally possible that she drew it herself and that she traced it.
Im not saying tracing is bad, i'm saying taking credit for something she traced is bad. If she would admit it nobody would have a problem. And no it's not equally possible, the human mind cannot do a line for line duplication.
Luly_Sugar
2004-02-24, 19:55
I like it ^^! itīs very nice.
byee
xFordainedxx
2004-02-24, 21:28
look at all her art u can see distinctivly 2 different styles naruto and hers this is getting quite sad(i admit she has some skill) but it doesnt change the fact that its a complete copy which doesnt take too much skill and the rest of her naruto art seems like she copied the pose but changed minor detail in not sure of it but thats my opinion (i myself have copied many works of art but i still give credit for them)
im still trying to understand why u would want to completely copy an art right down to the coloring and shading :thinker:
Demon_Spawn67
2004-02-25, 14:28
thnx Xford...thats wat i am saying...there are two diffrent pics that look teh same..
ur two match ups are negitive
that makes all the lines thicker and fucks around a bit wit teh pics... giving more leway ta get a close match.. in other words though ur idea was a great one u did a half ass job...
i will see wat and make a better one but i am stickng wit the fact that its hand drawn....
wat about art copiers?
they make exact copies of teh wolrd's most famous painting and drawing just by looking at them and they are not well known... hell they just can draw wat they see.. thats not a art genuis thats just a high amount of skill... drawing from ur mind is hard... drawing wat u see is easy...
so in conclusion i say she drew it and until someone preforms a through test (showing all the line up and every thing...and point trajectories) of teh two drawings
I didn't change anything in the images, I used trace contour lines in Photoshop...but you probably don't know what that is. It takes the colors out and traces the lines EXACTLY how they are in the image. Also Xfordainedxx wasn't agreeing with you if you would READ. He didn't say that the pic was done in 2 diff styles. He was saying that her original art is a completely different style. So you can tell she didn't draw it on her own because of the rift in style.
We can easily fix this, she can post the "Original" sketch. That picture was colored on the computer, so if she posted the sketch and the lines matched up with the pic she posted then that would prove she drew it on her own. Otherwise all the evidence points to her tracing. The pencil sketch would prove it...that's if it even exists.
I have no problem with her fan art, cause her original fan art is good. I just have a problem with people who trace and won't admit that they did...and they try to take credit for something that is totally un original.
Yama_Le_Rouge
2004-02-25, 16:21
She didn't trace, i know she used the sharingan doing the pic. For fan who like naruto, why no one has come to this conclusion?
ha, and there are better ways to get the original lines in photoshop. Lemme see if I can do it.
ok, i did it, and from what I see, the bangs are considerably off from the show screen capture. the one in the back (not that you could tell) is the one from the show, with mooni's on top. you can see in the bangs that the lines are off by a great deal, not just a little. Oh, and I must say, this is of a little higher quality than the last one.
Also, yes, she has her own style in her original drawings, but when you're trying to replicate a picture from a show, you have to use that style. It's that simple. Trying to duplicate a picture with your own style is, by its very nature, impossible.
http://www.geocities.com/raxial1/proof.jpg
xFordainedxx
2004-02-25, 19:01
lol are u saying that u cant copy art and put it in ur own style ?? cause believe me its very possible mostly everyone does
oh, of course, if you're using a reference. But if you're trying to exactly duplicate something (apparently line for line in this case) then you're gonna have to do it their way.
Demon_Spawn67
2004-02-25, 19:35
now again i have seen ppl draw the art line for line watching a computer screen NOT TRACING!!! so i know that she didn trace because again the hair is off... i stand by my judgement teh art is drawn free handed by using a ref.
PeppstaR
2004-02-26, 09:46
Oh well, could be worse...
Someone accused me of downloading this image, thinking it was original art and not my art and just printing it out when I was selling Print-Outs of my art at the last convention I did.
http://www.agartstudios.com/images/dotHack_color.jpg
I just took it as a compliment ;)
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