Annoying moderators [Archive]

Flash_Squirrel

2004-01-25, 14:28

While having rules is a good thing,

I think that having rules is not only a good thing, but it's a GREAT thing! But the thing you don't (and not only you it seems) understand is that while the rules are strict, they are not there because GHDPro likes to annoying you or pisses you off. They are there to make this forum more liveable and clean. There is ALWAYS a reason for a rule, they are not there just to make number.

having too many of then or being a "text book" is not.

I guess you are talking about "strict" moderators, right? Well, they are just doing their "job" as moderators. If someone from the staff feels that a thread should be closed, be sure that this is not to piss you off, but to preserve the tidiness of the forums. Your "Who is the weakest char" got closed? Why don't you try to look at it the other way? There are already plenty of "What..are you?" threads, and most of them are ..useless, yet they are open.

I get the impression that some of you mods see a forum as some kind of referenve book for posters;

And I get the impression that some of you are not considering the fact that the whole staff is working FOR you, spending some of their _free_ time to look over this forum (Which is not exactly "small" ). After the 70th thread that is obviously made without a glance at the rules, someone might want to bash you to show that the posts are going the wrong way.
What did Mao said? "Hit one to educate 100".

"Search first before posting". This is ok if the post is purely a fact question,

But it's good even if you have any kind of thread in mind. Reviving a thread is a way to give life to an argument, you don't have to start a new thread to say something, if this something was already started by someone.

but most of the time it is not.

Right. If someone asks in the DL help forum "How do I fix (error present in the guide)" or "Who is your favorite anime character" I don't see much difference. It's either close (And use the search function) or merge, because the thread itself is already present!

Also, most of the time different people will reply.

That's exactly why you should revive a thread, and not create a new one with the same title. If you create a new one, you will kill the old one's discussions, link/images/posts/whatever. You are tossing away a thread, that, with your help, could revive in a new discussion. If you revive a thread more people will join, and old posters will share their opinions again.

A thread is always somewhat unique, because it is unique in that point of time.

Reviving or Starting is not different IMHO.

I think there are some who are too triggerhappy.

If you think someone here shouldn't be a staff member, please, feel free to say so. But be sure to analyze what he/she do for the forum, and not only your selfish thoughs. "He closed my thread" doesn't count.
Experience will bring better results, and you are a part of this forum's growth. Don't work against us, work with us.

Also, too strict rules will backfire. Makes the forum boring and not "alive".

I agree with you here. We tend to discuss if a thread should be closed or not a lot between us, to keep the forums a nice and quiet place to be, and to ensure none of you will stand unhappy after our work. Don't do the mistake to think that we just mindlessly close everything on sight just because "we have the power". We care about the forum (Duh, otherwise we wouldn't be moderators :P ) so please, don't think we are just showing off some closing skillz.

This of course is NOT what all the moderators thinks, it's what *I* think. Feel free to comment here or PM me the flames. :)

nooc

2004-01-25, 15:33

Thanx for taking your time to reply in such detain. :)
I hope the mods understand I'm not trying to accuse or anything and they should also know that I'm not posting because of selfish thoughts. I just think the rule thing here is a little overkill. You don't need to have too strict rules, because it will lead nowhere. It's like assuming that posters do not have the ability to do the right thing. Too strict rules DO make things less enjoyable. I hope my thought are not just dismissed.

Cheers

babbito2k

2004-01-25, 15:53

nooc

2004-01-25, 16:26

A forum is about communicating, and communicating requires structure. The moderators are working to keep the forum within a recognizable structure that users can understand and respond to. This makes the forum enjoyable for the most people.
Having rules is all good, especially if it makes people think before they click the "submit" button. People "do the right thing" when they know the rules, that's why the rules are posted.Well.. I totally disagree.. :D
Sure communication requires structure, but I think we already learned that structure when we were kids. Rules are not "all good". Look around you, in the real world. We'll just end up having a "Catch 22".
People should do the right thing all the time. Only bad people REQUIRE rules. Obviously, you do not think too highly of people.
Please not that I'm not an anarcist. Ofcourse, rules are needed, but there should be a limit and also, blind justice is a bad thing. :P

JAppi

2004-01-25, 18:04

Well if you really wanna know about the rules and why they are in place read the Rules thread.

IMO the mods aren't too harsh at all. They don't like locking threads. I talked to NoSanninWa about it on IRC once and he said that he hate closing threads.

Maybe you should stay here longer and then try and make a decision about whether or not the mods are effectively doing their jobs.

nooc

2004-01-25, 18:20

babbito2k

2004-01-25, 18:21

Well.. I totally disagree.. :D
Sure communication requires structure, but I think we already learned that structure when we were kids. Rules are not "all good". Look around you, in the real world. We'll just end up having a "Catch 22".
People should do the right thing all the time. Only bad people REQUIRE rules. Obviously, you do not think too highly of people.
Please not that I'm not an anarcist. Ofcourse, rules are needed, but there should be a limit and also, blind justice is a bad thing. :P
You are misquoting what I said. Who said rules were "all good?" I just said having them is all good. I don't see where I said I "[do] not think... highly of people." If you wish to discuss my posts, please do not impute motives.

And I don't see how this is now your "take on all comers" thread either... no matter how personally you take it, this thread is not about you, it's about the forum and the rules and the moderators.

Dark_Voodoo

2004-01-25, 19:05

[Enter rant mode]

Okey the moderators of Animesuki and the rules. nooc you say that having to many rules arent good and makes the board stiff, well I agree with you. But the rules (http://forums.animesuki.com/announcement.php?f=16) inplace here on Animesuki are here for a reason and they have been created for a reason. Iv been here awhile now and Iv seen alot of stupid threads come and go. Iv seen the rules (http://forums.animesuki.com/announcement.php?f=16) grow to become that which they are today.
The rules (http://forums.animesuki.com/announcement.php?f=16) on this board are not all that harsh and the mods are preatty lose in my mind, I see alot of threads that In my mind break the rules in some way, but the mods let them stay open (somtimes good, sometimes bad).

The rules (http://forums.animesuki.com/announcement.php?f=16) if you read them state what kind of threads are accepted in the forum, and if you read them you see that they arent that stupid. They just make sure that "most" of the threads contains usefull information and debates.

Sometimes there are created many threads about one topic, well then the mods merge the threads into one big thread if there are good posts in both threads if not the lesser thread gets closed, nothing wrong with that in my mind.

As for only bad people need rules, well rules shows us what is bad and what is good.
And still even though we have these rules (http://forums.animesuki.com/announcement.php?f=16), people create threads that spam, ask stupid questions and serve no purpose what so ever. That's why whe have our mods that enforce the rules.

Now as for the mods of Animesuki.
They are all diffrent people and therefor they think diffrently about threads. Some are a little more trigger happy then others but in the end the only seek to keep order and maintain peace on the board.
Somtimes they make judgments about threads that may seem like total bull****.
Well then you can pm them about it and ask them why? or whatever you want to say.

As JAppie said the mods dont like to close threads, they actuall try to keep them open but there are threads that break the rules in such a way that they must be closed.
When this happens you may notice that almost all threads closed have a post in them from the mod that closed it explaining why it was closed, read it. And as I'v said if you still dont get it pm them about it.

So in the end, I think no, the moderators here arent to hard they are humans trying to do whats best for the forum, nothing more nothing less.

[Exit rant mode]

SirJeannot

2004-01-25, 19:23

i am quite surprised that nosanninwa still didn't write a reply in this thread

/me hides

JAppi

2004-01-25, 20:57

i am quite surprised that nosanninwa still didn't write a reply in this thread

Hurrah! NoSanninWa! /me gives him a cookie.

!

And a cookie to all the other ops! Hurrah! Let's have a big giant party!?

nooc

2004-01-25, 21:06

Interesting stuff here.
This thread should be in the General section.

JAppi

2004-01-25, 21:45

Interesting stuff here.
This thread should be in the General section.

This thread shouldn't even exist. The mods have every right to make what ever decision they want. This *is* their forum.

NightWish

2004-01-25, 22:14

Actually, I don't mind threads like this myself, as long as they are civil. However, I'm not moving it -- it is in the right place; just need to cut back on the "off-topic chat". And yes: As GHDpro owns the site and can do what he likes with it within the limits of the law; but no, we are not (completely) adverse to feedback, suggestions or people asking us to account for our decisions where necessary -- that's what this forum is for.

To get back to the subject; probably not going to say much that isn't apparent from the other posts and common sense but here we go, my offical stand point:

nooc:
Yes; one of our "mantras" if you like is "search first - then post"... because it makes sense. It is faster for the person searching and less work for the rest of us who have seen the same questions time and time again. Parts of this forums are references. FAQs, Guides and How-To. Members of the site (not just the staff) have taken time to gather the information and present it in a format we believe is easy to access. Were we wasting our time?

As for your assertion that most of the time it isn't a "fact question" -- I assume you mean the thread requires a little more than the generic answer? ... Well, neither of us can prove that, either way -- if you have a specific thread you wish to dispute the decision on: feel free to raise it. All threads are and will be looked at on a case by case basis. If the person searches, uses the FAQs, etc. they still have the option to post if the still need help, yes? I agree every thread is unique... just like every court case is unique. They can still have common themes and hence common rulings / outcomes -- evaluated on a case by case basis.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or to put your opinion down -- and naturally I will accept that we are not perfect... Sometimes we make mistakes; act too late or too early... that's life. However, if you believe we are doing something wrong can give examples and suggest an alternative course of action... without that I'm not sure what you expect us to do?

nooc

2004-01-25, 23:38

OK, Stop right there people!!! Now I regret ever starting this thread!! You guys appear to take this as some kind of personal attack. (I could be wrong, what do I know)
I want to make it very clear that what I've posted here belongs under the topic "Forum & Site Feedback".
I quite francly don't understand why everyone gets so emotional.
And JAppi, what you said in your last post.. That's an immature way of thinkin. If you have a forun you want the users to enjoy it. What point would there be otherwise? That's why you listen to and act on feedback (not individual feedbacks ofcourse :P)

Anyway, drop it, forget it, bury it. There is nothing more to say. :sad:

Thany

2004-01-26, 00:35

This thread shouldn't even exist.

I can't agree with you on this JAppi :
What you mean would be to close this thread?
Closing this thread which talk about the moderator would be quite bad since there is no flam here, and it would be an abuse of the moderator's powers from the person who would close this thread.
It can be an interesting thread as long as there's no flam.
Edit : By the way, all the moderators seem interested in this thread, I wonder why? ^^ (don't take it as a flam heh, it's just a joke since I saw 3 moderators viewing the thread at the same time :) )

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-26, 01:56

Keitaro

2004-01-26, 02:03

the mods are viewing this page right now lol.

this thread is also violating the rules. If you did a search, you would notice there already is a thread on this. Yup, i should know, i started a discussion with nosanninwa on that thread i believe. (healthy one)

I believe this is the thread hes talking about.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=2148&highlight=moderators

NoSanninWa

2004-01-26, 02:04

This thread shouldn't even exist. The mods have every right to make what ever decision they want. This *is* their forum.
No. It isn't. It is your forum. This is the forum of everyone who has an opinion that can affect another's understanding of anime. We are merely its caretakers. If the posters didn't have anything valuable to say, then we would be useless.

To me, moderating is like weeding. I need to get rid of the weeds so that beautiful flowers and yummy vegetables can grow. I weed out redundant threads that get posted again and again because otherwise you won't be able to find and post to the good threads. When there are two threads discussing a show, one needs to be closed so that the other will become stronger and more interesting.

Of course I always need to keep the danger of over-moderation in mind as well. Whenever I close a thread I censor someone's opinion or pleasure. Even if I do this for what I consider to be the best interests of the forum, the thread matters to someone. I need to really believe that the thread doesn't belong for me to delete it. There is no joy in this. Either someone doesn't get the forum, or I don't get them. Either way it is a bad thing. The worst thing I could possibly do is to delete or censor something because I don't agree with them. This above all things I try hard not to do. That is why I prize threads like this one. It gives me a chance to understand why people make threads that I feel break the rules.

As for the rules? The rules exist for your protection, not for us to club you over the head with. They limit the moderators as much as they limit you. If we can't figure out which rule a post breaks, then we can't close it. Think about that for a moment. Without the rules we'd just close anything that "looks bad" even if we can't figure out what is bad about it. I can't blame you for hating the rules though. They are a list of "Thou shalt not" instead of a list of "This is good". That creates an adversarial feeling, but there just isn't any good way to prevent this. Please keep in mind that they limit us also.

As a final note I would like to say that I always pay attention to any complaints that I receive as long as they don't contain the words "fascist" or "nazi". (Those words always get my back up.) I consider carefully what people have to say. Most of the time I stick to my original decision, but it isn't too rare for me to change my mind. I care what you have to say and I believe that diversity of opinion is good for the forum.

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-26, 02:08

No. It isn't. It is your forum. This is the forum of everyone who has an opinion that can affect another's understanding of anime. We are merely its caretakers. If the posters didn't have anything valuable to say, then we would be useless.

To me, moderating is like weeding. I need to get rid of the weeds so that beautiful flowers and yummy vegetables can grow. I weed out redundant threads that get posted again and again because otherwise you won't be able to find and post to the good threads. When there are two threads discussing a show, one needs to be closed so that the other will become stronger and more interesting.

Of course I always need to keep the danger of over-moderation in mind as well. Whenever I close a thread I censor someone's opinion or pleasure. Even if I do this for what I consider to be the best interests of the forum, the thread matters to someone. I need to really believe that the thread doesn't belong for me to delete it. There is no joy in this. Either someone doesn't get the forum, or I don't get them. Either way it is a bad thing. The worst thing I could possibly do is to delete or censor something because I don't agree with them. This above all things I try hard not to do. That is why I prize threads like this one. It gives me a chance to understand why people make threads that I feel break the rules.

As for the rules? The rules exist for your protection, not for us to club you over the head with. They limit the moderators as much as they limit you. If we can't figure out which rule a post breaks, then we can't close it. Think about that for a moment. Without the rules we'd just close anything that "looks bad" even if we can't figure out what is bad about it. I can't blame you for hating the rules though. They are a list of "Thou shalt not" instead of a list of "This is good". That creates an adversarial feeling, but there just isn't any good way to prevent this. Please keep in mind that they limit us also.

As a final note I would like to say that I always pay attention to any complaints that I receive as long as they don't contain the words "fascist" or "nazi". (Those words always get my back up.) I consider carefully what people have to say. Most of the time I stick to my original decision, but it isn't too rare for me to change my mind. I care what you have to say and I believe that diversity of opinion is good for the forum.

heh, i have so much respects for this guy.

Megane

2004-01-26, 07:39

...
To me, moderating is like weeding. I need to get rid of the weeds so that beautiful flowers and yummy vegetables can grow. I weed out redundant threads that get posted again and again because otherwise you won't be able to find and post to the good threads. When there are two threads discussing a show, one needs to be closed so that the other will become stronger and more interesting.
...

I wonder if there is any analagy to be had here by constrasting what NoSanninWa said, with the old man's garden in Earth Girl Arjuna? In the anime, he left his garden to the forces of nature, and while some of the crop was overrun by weeds or eaten by pests, there were some prime examples of great organic produce there. Would we see the same effect on this forum without "weeding"? If we abandoned all moderation, would we produce some of the tastiest posts on the net in amongst the weeds?

Unless your average forum poster is a tomato, I doubt it.

NoSanninWa

2004-01-26, 14:47

I doubt it also. We have seen that on the internet unweeded forums become over-run by flamers and trolls. Those are terrible weeds indeed. A more valid question is How much moderating is too much. You could consider if we cross that line.

Gaara11

2004-01-26, 16:37

DekaMaster

2004-01-26, 16:45

When mods themselves break rules and do the same things they ban others for,then it is a problem

babbito2k

2004-01-26, 17:22

When mods themselves break rules and do the same things they ban others for,then it is a problem
I don't disagree with this in itself, but do you have an example of something that happened on this forum?

JAppi

2004-01-26, 17:27

I don't disagree with this in itself, but do you have an example of something that happened on this forum?

I don't think he was refering to this forum. The mods here are generally very good.

babbito2k

2004-01-26, 18:09

I don't think he was refering to this forum. The mods here are generally very good.
I agree that the moderators are very good, and I have never heard of anything like that happening either. But a post like that is a bit insinuating. So I would rather at least put the question up.
I could simply have written, in response to When mods themselves break rules and do the same things they ban others for,then it is a problem"I never heard of something like that going on here, whaddya talkin' about?!"
but that's not really me...

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-26, 23:40

When mods themselves break rules and do the same things they ban others for,then it is a problem

i believe the mods are carefully picked. Nosanninwa is a prime example of that. Its like looking for golden apples on a regular tree tho. You can say GHDpro is a good gardener? (lol sorry if i make no sense, a lots in my head right now)

JAppi

2004-01-27, 00:28

i believe the mods are carefully picked. Nosanninwa is a prime example of that. Its like looking for golden apples on a regular tree tho. You can say GHDpro is a good gardener? (lol sorry if i make no sense, a lots in my head right now)

I think it's good that we have a good variety of mods. They all have different ways of dealing with things. If they were all the same type of mods and dealt with everything exactly the same they'd be accused of being Very right wingish.

Oneesama

2004-01-27, 01:23

I think the mods are doing their jobs quite nicely. I believe they are also reasonable when they close threads. I hate flame wars myself which a lot of idiots thrive on. When threads get out of control and everybody starts cursing at each other, calling names, pickin' on other people....
Agree!
I think this is the cleanest forum on net so far, as compared to others i stumble across and the ones I was in before, there weren't any like animesuki. Rules exist due to people. They are not to bound you but to warn you. Rules came from experience. ex. people threading the same thing, yet never realize there are already one(happens didn't read the rule b/4 posting.) please do keep in mind that the staff on Animesuki are like volunteers. they've dedicate their precious time to help maintain this forum. and I think they did hell-of-a-good-job indeed. therefore, making a thread that's the same as the exist one is just a waste of time thus troubling the mods the review the rules and debate to close the thread or not. Like you too, mods have their life and it's like ex. NoSanninWa said that he wasn't happy when he have to close a thread. So rules exists b/c of people, not mod/admins.

I think it's good that we have a good variety of mods. They all have different ways of dealing with things. If they were all the same type of mods and dealt with everything exactly the same they'd be accused of being Very right wingish.

:) yeah. totally. I think the rules and mods are quite easy on this forum. no complaints from me :D

DekaMaster

2004-01-27, 01:33

The only problem I see with the mods here is that they play favorites to certain groups.

Oneesama

2004-01-27, 01:41

The only problem I see with the mods here is that they play favorites to certain groups.

I hav't see this yet.... example perhaps? But all I see is no matter if that person have a high post rate/etc, if itz useless/against rule thread. it will get close.

littlecooldude

2004-01-27, 01:46

*yawn* The issue here is that while rules are a good thing, being too strict turns people away. And sig height only 80px, that's kinda small in my opinion, but neh, I'm not a moderator am I.

Anyways, a lot of you have been saying threads become uncontrollable, blah blah blah....flaming...spam... blah blah blah.

Go over and look at Gotwoot Forums. We've got pretty relaxed rules, and we're fine. There's never flaming, and only occaisonally some spam.

In no way am I attacking the mods or their rules, you do what you think fits your forums best. I'm just saying, a lax environment works too.

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On another note: Nice forums ^_^

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-27, 01:48

The only problem I see with the mods here is that they play favorites to certain groups.

everyone shows favourtism.... the mods are no exception. But ive never seen a mod play favourites when it came too rules and closing threads... only in arguments, and even those are rare.

EDIT:
*yawn* The issue here is that while rules are a good thing, being too strict turns people away. And sig height only 80px, that's kinda small in my opinion, but neh, I'm not a moderator am I.

Anyways, a lot of you have been saying threads become uncontrollable, blah blah blah....flaming...spam... blah blah blah.

Go over and look at Gotwoot Forums. We've got pretty relaxed rules, and we're fine. There's never flaming, and only occaisonally some spam.

In no way am I attacking the mods or their rules, you do what you think fits your forums best. I'm just saying, a lax environment works too.

well considering i havent been banned even for a day shows that this forum isnt as uptight as ppl complain.

littlecooldude

2004-01-27, 01:56

Thany

2004-01-27, 02:03

There wasn't much people banned in here unless they were very annoying, flammer etc...

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-27, 02:06

Naw, I wasn't saying they ban a lot, I was saying they have a lot of rules.

I haven't been here long enough to tell you if they ban a lot, or even what their personality is like. I simply show you my first impression.

lol, im not saying they ban a lot either. Im just saying, seeing how arrogant i am on some of these posts/threads/forums, its not that uptight. I havent even had a mod delete a post of mine. (once they got rid of few words) I dont even remember when a mod said "stop that fool" 90% of the rules are necassary. You said there is no flaming nor spamming on gotwoot, well if there was, im sure ud make rules about that. It has happened here and on other forums, so the mods/admins have set up the rules.

NoSanninWa

2004-01-27, 02:10

DekaMaster

2004-01-27, 08:50

Indeed. The only person in this thread who is disagreeing is KingRanger. He keeps popping up to make vague disagreements in an attempt to stir up trouble. I for one wish that he could finally stop the innuendo and simply explain his specific grievances.

See there you go. I am stating my opinions and things I have seen,and You say I am stiring up trouble. I suppose I should just avoid posting here all together if I am going to have you on my back all the time now.

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-27, 11:26

See there you go. I am stating my opinions and things I have seen,and You say I am stiring up trouble. I suppose I should just avoid posting here all together if I am going to have you on my back all the time now.

lets read nosanninwa's post again.

Indeed. The only person in this thread who is disagreeing is KingRanger. He keeps popping up to make vague disagreements in an attempt to stir up trouble. I for one wish that he could finally stop the innuendo and simply explain his specific grievances.

hes asking you wat ur problem really is. hes only telling u to stop making one line vague statements.

kamij0

2004-01-27, 11:27

Vulkar

2004-01-27, 12:14

looking at the situation now, the longer this thread stays, the more people who wanna take a snipe at the moderators will post and then claim they're just giving out their holy innocent views, that are regarded as nuisance :)

peh, I hope this thread stays for a while. It allows us users to discuss any problems we have with moderators in an open way. This is a good thing provided any issues we bring up is discussed with some sort of context. I think that is the inherent problem with KingRanger's posts. He states something but doesn't let us know the specifics of his problem with the moderation here. Frankly, the only person it is hurting is him because no one here can address or respond to him because we do not know which incidents he refers to. So, while the "sniping" you refer to isn't helping it isn't really doing anything either so long as he keeps it civil. It's more or less an empty post much like one thread I recall from a while ago in which someone proudly proclaimed "I like Sakura, don't you guys, too?," however no one could respond since they did not know which sakura the poster one was referring.

Finally, I must say I've been pretty happy with the moderation here except I think there are too many "Who is your favorite/what is the best/what kind do you like" threads in the General Anime section, but...eh...who am I to spoil someone else's fun?

edit: gave KingRanger his proper capitalization.

PiGGiEE

2004-01-27, 17:05

The mods here are AWESOME! *not trying to kiss up*
I think they are pretty reasonable... and they all do their jobs quite nicely. As said before... rules are in place here to keep things clean... I joined over 10 forums (mostly anime)... and I must say... its been less then a month and I don't go back to any of them anymore except for animesuki. All the other ones get out of hand... people flaming others, stupid/useless threads... the forums grow soooo huge because there are alot of repeated threads... makes searching through them a pain in the butt too when you have to read through 10 of them that are very similar. I think the rules are just fine... and I think using the search before starting a new thread is reasonable. I do it all the time and 95% of the time... its already been asked and its already been answered. I'm sure it does become a pain when people ask the same question without using the search first and others have to repeat the same answer 50 times when the person asking the question could've found the answer using the search.
I think you guys & girls (mods) are doing a great job! Keep it up! :)

Flash_Squirrel

2004-01-27, 17:20

If you need to know why KingRanger is so tired of the moderators here you are not really interested in the forum & site feedback, ain't ya? :p

Oneesama

2004-01-27, 17:26

I think that is the inherent problem with KingRanger's posts. He states something but doesn't let us know the specifics of his problem with the moderation here.

Indeed. So, KingRanger, wat's troubling you, you need to tell, orelse itz going in cirlces that goes no where. This is an open room for your unsatisfactory feedback about this forum. people do care what you think, or they wouldn't post here. :) so, what is the problem?

babbito2k

2004-01-27, 17:44

If you need to know why KingRanger is so tired of the moderators here you are not really interested in the forum & site feedback, ain't ya? :p
It is clear that the thread is about the moderators and the rules and the forum. KingRanger himself has tainted this discussion by means of several insinuating posts.

I can't find fault with others for trying to stamp out his mischief, as I myself have tried to do. I am less interested in what he is referring to than in having him stop making these little hints; I can't speak for others though.

JOJOS'STAR

2004-01-27, 18:11

I think mods are needed and we sould be greatful to them.

Altough some mods really think they rule the world by moderating this forum that must be for "SOME", the pay-off for all those services and hard work
But nothing's perfect. There is good people and there's NAZI like everywhere on this forum. I think the mods represent very well their forum's members . So theres realy no point in famming them more than anyone else

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-29, 12:31

dragonz20

2004-01-29, 13:38

"uranium up their ass"... LOL!.. that's a funny quote. i'll have to remember that.. hahahaha.. yeah those guys are annoying but they are somewhat needed. it eases a bit of the mods' jobs if they help police the forums a bit. but if they do it rudely then one might have a cause to complain. and some confuse a good spirited debate with arguing...

i think the ppl on the forum are more annoying. You know those ppl who police the forums as if they're mods. They're not half as annoying as the "lets bash the noobs" ppl. A new member asks a simple question, and just because its been asked before the ppl run around yelling at them like bunch of asses with uranium up their ass. Some ppl are new to computers in general, and the "vets" of this forum tends to have fun bashing them.

Thany

2004-01-29, 13:48

Well it's quite easy to tell people if they're doing something wrong without flamming them, I occasionally do it.
But flamming them for this is bad since this would be breaking the rules while saying : don't break the rules ^^

babbito2k

2004-01-29, 15:39

i think the ppl on the forum are more annoying. You know those ppl who police the forums as if they're mods. They're not half as annoying as the "lets bash the noobs" ppl. A new member asks a simple question, and just because its been asked before the ppl run around yelling at them like bunch of asses with uranium up their ass. Some ppl are new to computers in general, and the "vets" of this forum tends to have fun bashing them.
I am not sure what you are saying here. Is it "noob bashers" 2x> "forum police" 2x> moderators? Or are the "forum police" as bad as the "noob bashers" or are they the same people?

Anyway, the rules are the same no matter who points out the rules to the people who break them. In any grouping such as forums, irc, or usenet the people who know and follow the rules tend to feel that rule-breaking is a discourtesy to them.

Insulting people in any venue for any "cause" will never do.

Mr. Bushido

2004-01-29, 17:20

"uranium up their ass"... LOL!.. that's a funny quote. i'll have to remember that.. hahahaha.. yeah those guys are annoying but they are somewhat needed. it eases a bit of the mods' jobs if they help police the forums a bit. but if they do it rudely then one might have a cause to complain. and some confuse a good spirited debate with arguing...

of course the polite ppl are good, and as u say needed. Im talking about those ppl who go all out. It clearly shows that its his/her frst post and they still tend to flame them a lot. "READ THE FSCKING RULES FSCKING IMBECILE" those kinda responses are annoying.

LordBrian

2004-02-06, 20:47

yeah those guys are annoying but they are somewhat needed. it eases a bit of the mods' jobs if they help police the forums a bit.
If the moderators' jobs are so trying that they need regular members to help them "police" the forums, then there is something inherently wrong with the state of the forums. I, for one, do not believe that that is the case.

AG3

2004-02-06, 23:45

If the moderators' jobs are so trying that they need regular members to help them "police" the forums, then there is something inherently wrong with the state of the forums. I, for one, do not believe that that is the case.

Mods are members too, you know :) Regular members with a bit of increased responsibility and decision power.

I'm not sure what you define as "police" here. I personally see no problems with telling someone that he/she is breaking a rule, though I don't usually bother (anymore) if there's a Mod on-line. At the very least, telling that to the person in a relatively civil fashion shows that the members here too value the rules, not only the Mods.

Babak

2004-02-07, 06:26

WHOA! I see mods locking threads!
What the heck is happening to the world!?

Seriously, I think the mods are doing their job just fine.
Nothing to complain about.

Vulkar

2004-02-07, 08:43

WHOA! I see mods locking threads!
What the heck is happening to the world!?

Not only that! They also delete individual posts when members request it or fail to rate an avatar. Quite a bit of work.

boneyjellyfish

2004-02-07, 09:48

Not only that! They also delete individual posts when members request it or fail to rate an avatar. Quite a bit of work.

But sometimes they EDIT people's posts because THEY find them inappropriate. That's a case of censorship! Censorship is bad!

JOJOS'STAR

2004-02-07, 10:42

i think the ppl on the forum are more annoying.That is probably true.
Some ppl are new to computers in general, and the "vets" of this forum tends to have fun bashing them.Also true but there to say those ppl who police the forums as if they're mods. They're not half as annoying as the "lets bash the noobs" ppl.I think their equaly annoying. With the way they act as dominant over members I call this an illusion of control over people. But that syndrom is common all over the net so it is not entirely related to this forum. Also The "bash the noob" thing has not always to do with this. Sometimes it IS annoying to see the same post 3 times in a row. So yeah some people are short tempered wile others find some fun in this.