SaiGar 2008 -- The Tournament of Men Among Men [Archive]

Daisuke CP9

2007-11-19, 00:41

Well, as most of you who are interested know, the tournament of men among men is finally back and ready for action. While 2ch has their infamous SaiMoe, the masterminds of /a/ have created, starting last year, a tournament the opposite of SaiMoe~ A Tournament of men among men, alias a contest of the most bravest, toughest, and most badass anime male character out there. Yes, it's finally here, SaiGar 2008 has come.

NOMINATIONS ARE NOW OPEN!!

http://saigar08.michaeldodd.net/nominations.html

My Nominees~

1) Hayate Ayasaki (Hayate no Gotoku)
2) Master Asia (G Gundam)
3) Lord Genome (TTGL)
4) Simon (TTGL)
5) Kyoya Hibari (Katekyo Hitman Reborn)
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cicido

2007-11-19, 01:35

I will nominate Clare if nobody else does.
Come on, she is GAR.:D

frustra

2007-11-19, 01:40

Already nominated Simon, Kamina, Nagasumi, Kaiji and Kittan. ^_^

OverFunk

2007-11-19, 01:47

I nominated:

Michishio Nagasumi (Seto no Hanayome) - 5
Itou Makoto (School Days) - 4 *OH NO I DIDN'T*
Yagami Kazuma (Kaze no Stigma) - 3
Ayasaki Hayate (Hayate the Combat Butler) - 2
Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi Kai) - 1

Not that much manliness on my list, but I included some possibly neglected characters. I'll be voting Kittan & co when the thing really starts.

-PoLLuX-

2007-11-19, 04:01

What should the series title name for Code Geass be? Is Code Geass even in between those dates?

EDIT: Woops! Sorry I didn't know there was a list! :p

Oppius

2007-11-19, 04:19

5.Urameshi Yuusuke(Yu Yu Hakusho)
4.Genjo Sanzo(Gensomaden Saiyuki)
3.Son Goku(Dragon Ball Z)
2.Vegeta(Dragon Ball Z)
1.Emiya Shirou(Fate/Stay Night)

-PoLLuX-

2007-11-19, 05:21

Hmm, Amex_Yohko aren't those anime you mentioned a bit too old?

Anyways, how can I fix this?

Proxies are B&!!! This script can detect if you are running a proxy or a web server and will prevent you from voting if that is the case. If you feel you are innocent, try stopping any instances of Apache Web Server or any other Web Server you may be running.:upset:

pikuchan

2007-11-19, 06:10

5.Yagami Kazuma (Kaze no Stigma)
4.Simon (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
3.Zaraki Kenpachi (Bleach)
2.Kamina (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
1.Kittan (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)

-PoLLuX-

2007-11-19, 06:32

Never mind, I fixed it.:D I nominated:
Shinchan(crayon shinchan), Makoto(school days), Suzaku(code geass), Keiichi(Higurashi Kai) and Lelouch(code geass)

Deus ex Digital Boy

2007-11-19, 06:39

I feel like there's no reason to participate since the chances of Kamina not winning are so very low...

Kirarakim

2007-11-19, 07:30

5. Kittan (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
4. Claire Stanfield (Baccano)
3. Simon (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
2. Kamina (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
1. Medicine Seller (Mononoke)

Although unfortunately I actually wanted to vote in the opposite order. I didn't read carefully and I thought #1 had the most points.

I also forgot about November 11th (Darker than Black) I probably would have voted for him in place of Kittan just to mix up the series a bit.

Vanehei

2007-11-19, 18:50

Hei of course! .. he is so cool!

cicido

2007-11-19, 18:51

Being the kamina fan-girl I am, I will not rest until he won. :D
My list
5Kamina TTGL
4Lelouche Code Geass
3Simon TTGL
2Zaraki Kenpachi Bleach
1Clare Claymore

Zlostur

2007-11-19, 19:06

This tournament is a waste of time, since it's obvious from the start who is going to win. Unfortunately there is a shortage of manly characters in the anime world recently, so the choices are rather limited.

Being the kamina fan-girl I am, I will not rest until he won. :D
My list
5Kamina TTGL
4Lelouche Code Geass
3Simon TTGL
2Zaraki Kenpachi Bleach
1Clare Claymore

You do realize Clare is a woman, right?

Midonin

2007-11-19, 19:08

I nominated:

Capt. Ikamasa (Umisho)
Itoshiki (Zetsubou Sensei)
Minoru Shirashi (Lucky Star)
Kamina (TTGL)
And I seem to have forgotten my other choice.

cicido

2007-11-19, 19:19

This tournament is a waste of time, since it's obvious from the start who is going to win. Unfortunately there is a shortage of manly characters in the anime world recently, so the choices are rather limited.

You do realize Clare is a woman, right?

Nanoha was in saiGAR last year, so I don't see why not ;)

Zlostur

2007-11-19, 19:24

Nanoha was in saiGAR last year, so I don't see why not ;)

Touche...

Seriously though, a tournament for manliness must be kept between men. Otherwise, characters like Revy(Black Lagoon) and Theresa(Claymore) would have to be included as well, since they are even more badass than Clare.

Nanoha, though...there are no words:heh:

Geass

2007-11-19, 19:45

I voted:

5 points: Yagami Kazuma (Kaze no Stigma)
The obvious choice.

4 points: Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass)
Mind-control, giant killer mecha, and pizza. What else can you ask for?

3 points: Shibuya Kazuya (Ghost Hunt)
Takes the spot for being able to blow stuff up with his mind.

2 points: Wei Zhijun (Darker than Black)
He blows people up with his blood, enough said.

1 point: Ali Al-Sarshes (Gundam 00)
Eh, why not? Not many mercs in anime.

Terrestrial Dream

2007-11-19, 19:55

Nanoha was in saiGAR last year, so I don't see why not ;) What the...? How does that happen?:twitch:

minhtam1638

2007-11-19, 20:31

Nanoha was in saiGAR last year, so I don't see why not ;)

Well, Nanoha pulled off an L-Block. We should probably nominate a handful of girls for this contest, just for the heck of it.

EDIT: That's it. I'm in. I'm playing along.

5. Kamina (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan)
4. Simon (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan)
3. Kittan (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan)
2. Ayasaki Hayate (Hayate no Gotoku)

1. It's a girl. That's all I'll tell you.

I won't reveal it on this board unless somebody mentions that same girl. If you're dying to know, PM me. Otherwise, take guesses, and I'll reveal whether it's wrong or right.

EDIT 2: To avoid the obvious guesses, she's not featured on my sig.

KaneDragon

2007-11-19, 21:53

Shungo Ninomiya of Goshuushou-sama Ninomiya-kun (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Goshuushou-samaNinomiya-kun) is eligible, isn't he? The guy roundhouse kicks polar bears as part of his training. He also gets out of ropes by dislocating his shoulder and jumps out of a 4th story window.

And Hei/Lee Shenshun of Darker than Black, if I can figure out which name to use.

minhtam1638

2007-11-19, 21:57

Midonin

2007-11-19, 22:11

Shungo Ninomiya of Goshuushou-sama Ninomiya-kun (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Goshuushou-samaNinomiya-kun) is eligible, isn't he? The guy roundhouse kicks polar bears as part of his training. He also gets out of ropes by dislocating his shoulder and jumps out of a 4th story window.
Yes, that's the last person I nominated. Slipped my mind there for a second.

He definitely qualifies for SaiGar.

Kalua

2007-11-19, 22:28

Nominated:

1. Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia: The Animation)

2. Kratos Aurion (Tales of Symphonia: The Animation)

3. Fujibayashi Sheena (Tales of Symphonia: The Animation)

4. Kamina (Gurren Lagann)

5. Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi no Naku Koroni Kai)

I hope the Tales characters get a fighting chance in this, I love them so~

Kaioshin Sama

2007-11-19, 22:36

Ah....likely to be less popular than Saimoe, but exactly what I've been waiting for. My nominations went to

5. Simon (TTGL)
4. Kamina (TTGL)
3. Viral (TTGL)
2. Lelouche Vie Brittania (Code Geass)
1. Minase Iori (iDOLM@STER Xenoglossia) (Just so there's a girl in there who's full of hot blooded passion)

KaneDragon

2007-11-19, 22:50

Seto no Hanayome Michishio Nagasumi
Negima!? Negi Springfield
Goshūshō-sama Ninomiya-kun Ninomiya Shungo
Darker than BLACK Hei
Kaze no Stigma Yagami Kazuma

Darker than BLACK November 11
Clannad Okazaki Tomoya
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai Maebara Keiichi AND Ryugu Rena
School Days Ito Makoto
Lucky Star Shiraishi Minoru
Hayate the Combat Butler Ayasaki Hayate
Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion Lelouch Lamperouge

White Manju Bun

2007-11-19, 23:01

Well I decided to submit mine

5- Medicine Sellar - Mononoke
4- Yagami Kazuma - KnS
3- Lelouch - Code Geass
2- Claire Stanfield - Baccano
1- Keiichi - Higurashi Kai

Darklord_bg

2007-11-19, 23:18

Ah....likely to be less popular than Saimoe, but exactly what I've been waiting for. My nominations went to

Regrettably so...

Male characters in anime just don't get the respect and love they deserve. The mere fact that people nominate girls for this position proves my point. Anyways, here's my nominees:

5. Kittan (TTGL)
4. Yagami Kazuma (Kaze no Stigma)
3. Hei (Darker than Black)
2. Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi Kai)
1. Rock (Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage)

minhtam1638

2007-11-19, 23:33

Regrettably so...

Male characters in anime just don't get the respect and love they deserve. The mere fact that people nominate girls for this position proves my point.

Blame Nanoha. She started it.

Terrestrial Dream

2007-11-19, 23:33

So it's only character that appeared from December 1st of 2006 and through the November 30th of 2007?

Moonie

2007-11-19, 23:55

My nominees:

(5) Yagami Kazuma (Kaze no Stigma)
(4) Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass)
(3) Okazaki Tomoya (Clannad)
(2) Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai)
(1) Ninomiya Shungo (Goshūshō-sama Ninomiya-kun)

Grimkill7

2007-11-20, 10:24

5. Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai)
4. Lelouch Vie Brittania (Code Geass)
3. Hei (Darker Than Black)
2. Kazuma (Kaze no Stigma)
1. Akasaka (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai)

Klashikari

2007-11-20, 10:44

Rules directly taken from Saimoe Thread were added at the first post for your convenience.
Please be sure to read them and stick to them. If you have actually a problem with a fellow member with some argument etc, please use PM instead, or use the report http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.style/default/buttons/report.gif feature, instead of rolling the fruitless debate out.

That said, I obviously don't expect any big brawl similar to the moe counterpart. However, rules will be enforced, so just stay clean, with good sportmanship and everyone will enjoy this competition ^^

that is all :)

TnAdct1

2007-11-20, 13:37

My five nominations:

5. Anime Tenchou (Lucky Star)
4. Guchiko (Potemayo)
3. Kamina (Gurren-Lagann)
2. Negi Springfield (Negima)
1. Shiraishi Minoru (Lucky Star)

Vibeke

2007-11-20, 14:21

Well, finally I have the chance to vote for my favorite male main leads :D

5. Itoshiki Nozomu (SZS) - my mentor~! xD
4. Yagami Light (DN) - did you forget about him? ;) he'll plan his whole success in this contest
3. Lelouch (CG) - another clever man :p
2. Okazaki Tomoya (Clannad)- not as sarcastic as Kyon or Yuuichi, but still good...
1. Hiiraga Saito (ZnT2) - he has some guts to be able to serve Louise :D

Zeroryoko1974

2007-11-20, 14:21

5. Kamina
4. Guts
3. San Seto
2. Maki
1. Lunars Papa

Xellos-_^

2007-11-20, 14:26

What the...? How does that happen?:twitch:

Regrettably so...

Male characters in anime just don't get the respect and love they deserve. The mere fact that people nominate girls for this position proves my point. Anyways, here's my nominees:

Blame Nanoha. She started it.

In Nanoha's case she is very Gar and obviously moe at the same. She is one the few MoeGar characters out there. Just look at my sig and Avatar. Name another magical girl that kick as much ass as Nanoha and name another Shounan hero that has less Emo moments the Nanoha.

As for the other female characters.

Clare
Teresa
Miria
Irene

form Claymore are all very Gar in there own rights.

PS. I define Gar as just Plain AWESOMESS that all must bow down to.

Whistler

2007-11-20, 15:30

I would nominate Balsa from Seirei no Moribito if I could, but unfortunately I'm using university internet and so can't participate.

Balsa is supreme awesomeness and she has more pwnage than all the male character in the show combined.

Xellos-_^

2007-11-20, 15:34

Whistler

2007-11-20, 15:38

I wouldn't go that far, her foster father Jingroo is very Gar as well.

That is true. I suppose I was thinking mainly of the Hunters.

For me though, in terms of just awesomeness and strong impressions, Balsa wins by miles. ;)

Malintex_Terek

2007-11-20, 15:41

My thanks Daisuke, I've been quite over-burden as of late.

PS. I define Gar as just Plain AWESOMESS that all must bow down to.

Gar isn't really just "awesome", though. It's "manly/badarse", with badarse en-circling the awesome part. If we drop the whole manly moniker, Gar just becomes a synonym for "1337", "epic", "cool", "legendary", "win" etc., a mere sign of approval.

We don't need more of those when we have so many as is. :)

...

I'm still undecided as to who I want to vote for. As of right now, I'm looking into not well known characters to get them into the tournament and get some recognition - last year, I voted in Sleepy "John" Estes from Mad Bull 34 which got SOME attention, but not too much.

It'll take a while for me to dig up manly men who were merely forgotten.

At the same time, I'm neutral toward SaiGar's silent permission of females. While it does set us apart from SaiMoe in being less sexist, and while it is true women can be manly in the same way men can be womanly, there is potential for lame entries like "Konata". >_>

Also, at first I had no idea how powerful anime like Hayate and Lucky Star are as far as allowing entries from other shows. I mean, from Hayate:

1. The Cabbage
2. Nabeshin
3. Koichiro "Coach" Ohta

Zeroryoko1974

2007-11-20, 16:10

This tournament, is it going by Japanese or American release dates?

minhtam1638

2007-11-20, 18:34

This tournament, is it going by Japanese or American release dates?
Japan.

Looks like the mystery nomination will be left unsaid...

-PoLLuX-

2007-11-20, 18:39

So... are you allowed to nominate girls as long as they are manly?

cicido

2007-11-20, 18:57

So... are you allowed to nominate girls as long as they are manly?

Well ya, unlike saimoe, they don't have the gender rule.
But most people just do it for the lulz.

Terrestrial Dream

2007-11-20, 19:05

5.Gai Shishio- He is the pinnacle of Gar. He also pilots GaoGaiGar, the robot has Gar in it, nothing is more Gar then that :heh:.
4. Kamina
3. Viral
2. Simon
1. Master Asia.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-11-20, 19:05

I'm just curious to find out on what grounds people think Shiraishi Minoru qualifies for Saimoe.:confused:

OverFunk

2007-11-20, 19:11

I'm just curious to find out on what grounds people think Shiraishi Minoru qualifies for Saimoe.:confused:

Episode 22 or 23 Lucky Channel, where he goes batshit insane against Akira.

It was goddamned worthy...

Midonin

2007-11-20, 19:11

I remember people saying "Shirashi for SaiGar" right after he trashed the set. Time to make it happen.

KaneDragon

2007-11-20, 19:17

A lot better reception this year for some reason... *recalls the fate of a certain SaiGAR thread made last year...*

Episode 22 or 23 Lucky Channel, where he goes batshit insane against Akira.

It was goddamned worthy...

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3338/shiraishiviolentragegurtk7.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shiraishiviolentragegurtk7.jpg)
:D

Yeah, I had him on my initial list as I posted earlier, but he got edged out of my top 10 by better men.

Eviltape

2007-11-20, 21:02

This is some of the strangest stuff I've ever voted in.

1. Shiraishi Minoru - Lucky Star (HE MUST GET IN)
2. Dutch - Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage
3. Ayasaki Hayate - Hayate the Combat Butler
4. Rock - Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage (I'm at a loss)
5. Simon - Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Modern-day Shinji, deserves just a mention)

d.sinclair

2007-11-20, 22:06

5. Simon - Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Modern-day Shinji, deserves just a mention)
I understand where you're coming from, but...no! Shinji is the anti-GAR. Simon is a GAR-god. You can't even begin to compare them.

And I'm nominating Balalaika. That woman put chills down my spine during the twincest arc.

KaneDragon

2007-11-20, 23:39

Two Shinji's come to mind: Fate Stay Night and Eva. Since you're talking about giant robots, I'll assume you meant Eva. Not that it means anything to me either way.

I must pray for forgiveness now, for I hath forgotten someone very important: Takahata Takamichi, of Negima!?. Even ignoring the manga, Takamichi got a huge boost for the remake. Chilling in the background with Eva, enjoying ramen and tea, saving the day from time to time...
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9002/takamichinomeansyespe9.jpg

Since Albert Chamomile (aka Col. Sanders) is just manga, I guess I have nothing more to say about him...

Seto no Hanayome Michishio Nagasumi
Negima!? Negi Springfield
Goshūshō-sama Ninomiya-kun Ninomiya Shungo
Kaze no Stigma Yagami Kazuma
Darker than BLACK Hei
Darker than Black November 11
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai Maebara Keiichi
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai Ryugu Rena
Hayate the Combat Butler Ayasaki Hayate
Bleach Zaraki Kenpachi
Negima!? Takahata Takamichi
Clannad Okazaki Tomoya
Lucky Star Shiraishi Minoru
Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion Lelouch Lamperouge

The 5 limit is mildly annoying, but whatever.

Zlostur

2007-11-21, 00:12

Gar isn't really just "awesome", though. It's "manly/badarse", with badarse en-circling the awesome part. If we drop the whole manly moniker, Gar just becomes a synonym for "1337", "epic", "cool", "legendary", "win" etc., a mere sign of approval.

We don't need more of those when we have so many as is. :)

Agreed!

According to the official definition GAR is the epitome of what it means to be manly and badass. Otherwise we would just be voting for our favorite character. "AWESOME" is just not enough!

At the same time, I'm neutral toward SaiGar's silent permission of females. While it does set us apart from SaiMoe in being less sexist, and while it is true women can be manly in the same way men can be womanly, there is potential for lame entries like "Konata". >_>

Although I agree that women can be manly and badass, there are none that deserve that title from the ones that I've seen. Revy(Black Lagoon) comes close, but still not enough for a top 5 spot. Also, there is potential for lame entries even if we restrict the tournament to men only. I've seen some examples of that already - Itou Makoto (School Days) - who is as un-GAR as anyone can be.

In Nanoha's case she is very Gar and obviously moe at the same. She is one the few MoeGar characters out there. Just look at my sig and Avatar. Name another magical girl that kick as much ass as Nanoha and name another Shounan hero that has less Emo moments the Nanoha.

To me that is impossible - being cute and badass at the same time - they are like mutually exclusive. A badass character has to be intimidating and I cannot possibly be intimidated by a cute face. I don't know, maybe you've seen something that I missed and have some compelling reason to see Nanoha as a manly character. To me people who nominate her are either joking or have not seen many shows with truly manly characters. Also I can give you many examples of shounen heroes who have less emo moments than her (meaning they have none or close to none).

In the end, I have decided to participate, even though I still think the outcome is obvious:

5) Kamina (TTGL) - duh!
4) Kurogane (Tsubasa OVA) - few have attained his level of manliness
3) Zoro (One Piece Movie 8) - same as above
2) Viral (TTGL) - almost as good as #5, but not as many great moments
1) Wei (Darker than Black) - fought a battle that he knew he would lose - that's pretty manly for me

-PoLLuX-

2007-11-21, 00:34

If someone nominates Lelouch Lamperouge and someone else nominates Lelouch Vie Britannia or Ryugu Rena and Ryuugu Rena, does it count as the same character? quite confusing nominating in english:heh:

KaneDragon

2007-11-21, 00:55

I just copy all the names from Wikipedia, and the series titles from the list of eligible shows. I'm sure it'll all work out.

jost

2007-11-21, 00:59

Nagasumi & Hei

Klashikari

2007-11-21, 01:15

Since Albert Chamomile (aka Col. Sanders) is just manga, I guess I have nothing more to say about him...

you mean "Albirio Imma" instead? because Camo is in the anime ?! incarnation as well ^^"

cicido

2007-11-21, 01:44

At least we can all agree that this won't be a fair tournament if TTGL doesn't make it to the finals. ;)
Or more specificly, *cough* Kamina *cough*.

tbl

2007-11-21, 02:14

I can't vote, my ISP uses a proxy :(

RunningTARGET

2007-11-21, 02:18

Oh wow! SaiGAR got accepted here this year.
It was locked quick! last year.

Having a wider exposure gets more voting going and making it a much more satisfying tournoment.

My top 5

5- Sweat boy (Hosaka Sempai) -minami-ke
4 Kazuma -Kaze no Stigma
3 November 11 -Darker than Black
2
1 Imber -iDOLM@STER

Damn it I forgot who I nominated for two points.

Oh and BTW:

5 =most popular
4
3
2
1 =least popular

So dont get it wrong.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-11-21, 02:56

To me that is impossible - being cute and badass at the same time - they are like mutually exclusive. A badass character has to be intimidating and I cannot possibly be intimidated by a cute face. I don't know, maybe you've seen something that I missed and have some compelling reason to see Nanoha as a manly character. To me people who nominate her are either joking or have not seen many shows with truly manly characters. Also I can give you many examples of shounen heroes who have less emo moments than her (meaning they have none or close to none).

I thought so to until I saw for my very own eyes a Rie Kugimiya character. Trust me it's possible. However, I agree about the Nanoha thing being kind of iffy. I don't equate Nanoha with hot blooded at all, but somebody like Shana I do.

Zeroryoko1974

2007-11-21, 08:15

I can't decide if Seto or Gurren Laggen had more GAR. Seto is so moe and so gar at the same time, its epic. By far surpasses Nanoha as the show with the most moe and gar. I still have one computer to vote with yet. My vote will be

NaGARsumi
Kamina
San Seto
Luna/Lunar/Runa's Papa
Maki
Luna

I think Kamina, and NaGARsumi could be front runners for this tournament

Dagger

2007-11-21, 09:20

5 - Medicine Seller [Mononoke]
4 - Lockon Stratos [Gundam 00]
3 - November 11 [Darker Than Black]
2 - Dutch [Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage]
1 - Rock [Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage]

I'm going to shed a few tears if the MS doesn't get in...

Geass

2007-11-21, 11:05

I think Kamina, and NaGARsumi could be front runners for this tournament

Kazuma could be a front runner as well, he's getting a fairly large amount of 5 and 4-point submissions.

Deus ex Digital Boy

2007-11-21, 12:13

I voted~

5. Shiraishi Minoru
4. Kamina
3. Simon
2. Hayate Ayasaki
1. can't remember >_<

Aznbanana

2007-11-21, 13:16

5: Kamina TTGL
4: Simon TTGL
3: Nagasumi Seto no Hanayome
4: Zaraki Kenapachi Bleach
5: Teresa Claymore (Just cuz she rox my sox.)

KaneDragon

2007-11-21, 14:00

you mean "Albirio Imma" instead? because Camo is in the anime ?! incarnation as well ^^"
Whichever, I was just copypasting a likely name. Colonel Sanders. He really knows how to push Eva's buttons (plus he has a pet dragon). But I won't nominate him, and a manga-only character wouldn't do that well anyway.

Malintex_Terek

2007-11-21, 20:32

Thought long and hard about it. These are my votes:

Ohta "Coach" Koichiro - Hayate no Gotoku (Gunbuster)
Beniyasha - Nagasarete Airantou
Touhouin Ikuto - Nagasarete Airantou
Kanzaki Yoshio - The Skull Man
Mikogami Hayato - The Skull Man

khell_kurono

2007-11-21, 21:05

I feel like there's no reason to participate since the chances of Kamina not winning are so very low...
remember Dio Brando is this year too (Jojo movie)

I'm fine with either of them

my top 5:
Kamina
Dio Brando
Simon
Konata's dad (soujiro izumi)
Shiraishi Minoru lol

YKE7

2007-11-21, 21:52

My votes...

5. Kamina (Gurren Lagann)
4. Simon (Gurren Lagann)
3. Luna's Papa (Seto no Hanayome)
2. Ninomiya Shungo (Goshuushou-sama Ninomiya-kun)
1. Ayasaki Hayate (Hayate the Combat Butler)

cicido

2007-11-21, 22:11

Any body know when is the actual tournament starting?
Or when is the nomination score tallied?

minhtam1638

2007-11-21, 22:18

Any body know when is the actual tournament starting?
Or when is the nomination score tallied?

Last week of December.

Kyomi

2007-11-21, 23:44

I feel a bit outcast since none of my 5 picks seems to be talked about around here.

Hence forth, I shall take cover under my blanket while secretly cheering for Shiraishi.

Malintex_Terek

2007-11-22, 01:31

I feel a bit outcast since none of my 5 picks seems to be talked about around here.

Don't be.

I went out of my way to nominate not well known characters so they'll get some promotion in the actual tournament. Just because they're not known now doesn't mean they won't be later.

_juu

2007-11-22, 05:19

SaiGAAAR x3 yeah.
I feel like looking forward to this.

my nominations:

- Konata's Dad x3
- Viral
- November 11
- Kratos (Tales of Symphonia)
- Neuro

But seriously, I just hope Kamina wins this......

cardslash02

2007-11-22, 18:20

My noms:

5. Anime Tenchou
4.. Kamina
3. Maebara Keiichi
2. Shiraishi Minoru
1. November 11

Come on people! Why do I see no noms for Anime Tenchou, aka The Most Gar Character of All TIME!!??

Malintex_Terek

2007-11-22, 18:59

"November 11"?

cicido

2007-11-22, 19:32

"November 11"?

This guy:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8707/keiyakusha1618lgqg8.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=keiyakusha1618lgqg8.jpg)
He's pretty GAR despite the naked scene.:D

Kirarakim

2007-11-22, 22:13

November 11th is definitely GAR. He is like the James Bond of anime.

Geass

2007-11-23, 12:49

November 11th is definitely GAR. He is like the James Bond of anime.

Agreed, even if his "real" name is:

Jack Simon. Inventive. :heh:

Eviltape

2007-11-23, 15:12

Now that I've read the last few pages, I'm rethinking my selection. Now I want to include November 11 and Lockon Stratos. :|

Malintex_Terek

2007-11-23, 18:28

I just finished watching the first six of Goshuushou-sama Ninomiya-kun, so I've got to ask...how is Shuungo gar? :confused:

He's got some fighting skills but is frequently unable to use them. He's not unintelligent by any means, but his relationship with girls portrays him as a dullard. And most of all, he hasn't done anything truly amazing yet. Basically...he's pretty mediocre. =_=

Grimkill7

2007-11-23, 20:24

FlareKnight

2007-11-23, 20:25

This looks to be an interesting tournament. Should be fun to see how this one turns out with a lot of good characters going to be in it. Pretty tough to narrow things down to 5 but managed somehow.

5: Yagami Kazuma Kaze no Stigma
- But seriously he has to be a major player here. Will do pretty much what he wants when he feels like it. Had a lot of tough things that happened to him when he couldn't do much in the past and turns up to start the series at unstoppable level. Strongest character in the series by far. Plus it's just fun watching him push Ayano's buttons.

4: Maebara Keiichi Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai
- Should be a solid pick for the tournament as well. Second season has shown him to be a major catylist for change. Can make things happen and can create support from plenty of people. Thus is able to rally others for a cause. Lot of good moments from two seasons to reflect on.

3: Michishio Nagasumi Seto no Hanayome
- Gotta help out NaGARsumi in this one. Developed well as a character through the series. Started off a bit weak and just trying to stay alive. But at the end showed what he was made of and actually did manage to survive the whole thing which is an accomplishment in itself.

2: Shiraishi Minoru Lucky Star
- Saimoe got me to check out this series when I wasn't sure at first. But Shiraishi did a good job getting me behind him and liking his parts of the show. Plus finally went and saw that part in episode 21 and damn that was pretty incredible stuff :).

1: Hiiragi Renji Night Wizard The Animation
- While not a series a ton of people are following he gets my vote on this one. Probably one of the few protangonists in an anime who's greatest aspiration is going to school :D. But all these troublesome enemies keep causing troubles causing him to miss out on class. But anyways a good guy who can be counted on to fight and fight well when the time calls for it. Protecting his friends fighting to the last and simply displaying enough qualities to get into the tournament.

s[H]sIkuA

2007-11-24, 07:42

No one recommend Boota? After all, he is the most non-human GAR ever exist :D

Xellos-_^

2007-11-24, 19:33

when does the voting begin?

DigimonTamer

2007-11-25, 03:22

My pics!

5 points - Kaiji (Kaiji)
4 points - Hiruma Youichi (Eyeshield 21)
3 points - Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi)
2 points - Hei (Darker than BLACK)
1 points - Masa-san (Seto no Hanayome)

anselfir

2007-11-25, 03:32

my pick:

pikachu

cleo1

2007-11-25, 17:13

I nominated

1. Shibuya Kazuya / Ghost Hunt
2. Yagami Kazuma / Kaze no Stigma
3. Hei / Darker than Black
4 Lelouch Lamperouge / Code Geass
5. Dante / Devil May Cry

After nominating I realised I had forgotten Izumi Sōjirō, Kona's dad, but someone on another forum nominated him on 1st position for me :D

zeezaa

2007-11-25, 17:30

My nominations

5 points - Kamina (TTGL)
4 points - Simon (TTGL)
3 points - Kazuma (KnS)
2 points - Masa-san (SnH)
1 points - Viral (TTGL)

Neki Ecko

2007-11-25, 18:53

Here is my nominations

5 points - Kamina (TTGL)
4 points - Simon (TTGL)
3 points - Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi)
2 points - Makoto Ito (School Days) I know that he is a jerk but in a GAR so-way
1 point - Lelouch Lamperouge / Code Geass

minhtam1638

2007-11-25, 19:02

Something tells me Kamina will get #1 seed.

Aznbanana

2007-11-25, 19:24

Well, Kamina is a freakin reason why i found out about GAR.

Jesus, i remember watching him the 1st time, i was so full of adrenaline after his speeches and actions. When he died, i definitely cried man. There will never be another.

cleo1

2007-11-25, 20:05

@ Aznbanana: better use the spoiler tag for information like that

Setsukyie

2007-11-26, 03:22

I nominated:

5 - Yagami Light / Death Note (yea, my fav..)
4 - L / Death Note (heh..im surprised that nobody mentioned him here..)
3 - Okazaki Tomoya / Clannad (one of my recent fav..)
2 - Aizawa Yuichi / Kanon (nobody mentioned him too..)
1 - Ayasaki Hayate / Hayate No Gotoku (o..k...)

minhtam1638

2007-11-26, 03:39

zeezaa

2007-11-26, 03:39

Ah damn i totally forgot about Death Note :/ Oh well it's not like they aren't going to be nominated.

Edit : Oh so Death Note isn't eligible. Too bad :( .

Lunariska

2007-11-26, 03:43

5. Kamina TTGL
4. Lelouch CG
3. Kazuma KnS
2. Itoshiki Nozumu SZS ( i like him ;D )
1. Simon TTGL ( i like the others moar, but i just had to nominate him as well )

lol. ive been asking me. i cant do any campaign. i dont collect gar pix, lol

minhtam1638

2007-11-26, 03:44

Yeah, I was about to say that I'm rather busy on the moe end for a while.

But if Kamina gets knocked out, I'll be interested in this.

Setsukyie

2007-11-26, 03:54

Nobody mentioned those three? Hmm... I wonder why... oh yeah.

Death Note and Kanon are not eligible this year. Sorry.

ohh...
too bad then..hehe...

Lunariska

2007-11-26, 03:59

Yeah, I was about to say that I'm rather busy on the moe end for a while.

But if Kamina gets knocked out, I'll be interested in this.

someone pulling a L-Block would be.. weird
i mean.. Kamina is like the most Gar thing ive seen so far..
Lelouch, kazuma and Train ( black cat ) are gar too, but Kamina is like their GOD

winsonkoh

2007-11-26, 04:30

minhtam1638

2007-11-26, 04:36

Did not manage to vote due to proxy >_< here's my choice~
1. Simon (Tenge Toppa Gurren Lagann)
2. Rakki (Claymore)
3. Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi no Naku Koroni Kai)
4. Emiya Shirou (Fate/Stay Night)
5. Hei (Darker Than Black)

Wow, do people not read around here? (http://saigar08.michaeldodd.net/series_list.htm)

Fate/Stay Night is not eligible either.

yononaka

2007-11-26, 07:46

Dang, I just submitted a couple of Japanese names using the Western naming convention... I did read the instructions, but between copying the names from ANN Encyclopedia to ensure correct spelling and clicking the submit button I failed to realize that some of them were turned around until it was too late. Are those flipped names going to be counted somehow or did they go to waste?

minhtam1638

2007-11-26, 09:56

yononaka

2007-11-26, 10:06

Most likely, the nomination talliers will check for some similarities.
Good to hear that. Checking for correctly spelled but flipped names wouldn't be hard to script, I just wasn't sure they'd bother.

Forever

2007-11-26, 12:03

Ok i voted as well:

5: Shinozaki Makoto (Over Drive)
Never thought he will be here, but episode 18 really made him GAR

4. Simon (Gurren Lagaan)
3. Kamina (Gurren Lagaan)
2. Kittan (Gurren Lagaan)

Honestly GL should own this year. GAR is already the theme of the show

1. lelouch (code geass)
So many could fill this spot, so i just randomed and got him. He is good enough I guess.

winsonkoh

2007-11-26, 12:09

Wow, do people not read around here? (http://saigar08.michaeldodd.net/series_list.htm)

Fate/Stay Night is not eligible either.

oh never notice it >_<;

updated:

1. Simon (Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann)
2. Rakki (Claymore)
3. Dante (Devil May Cry)
4. Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai)
5. Hei (Darker Than Black)

I would have choosen Akagi too but the anime wasn't in the list :x

Mad Dog

2007-11-26, 12:59

5. Minoru Shiraishi - Lucky Star (His brakedown in episode 21 solidified my top vote)
4. Anime Tenchou - Lucky Star (I bet everyone would like to have a store owner like this!)
3. Tachibana Ryouhei - Sky Girls (A guy who can build and maintaine a mech while getting the cute pilot as a GF deserves to be in this thing)
2. Rin - Shuffle! Memories (Asa + Rin = win)
1. Shungo Ninomiya - Goshuushou-sama Ninomiya-kun (RIka as his Childhood GF so sweet.... plus roundhousing polar bears is a plus)

Setsukyie

2007-11-26, 21:18

My new nominations:

5 - Ayasaki Hayate / Hayate No Gotoku
4 - Okazaki Tomoya / Clannad
3 - Sunohara Youhei / Clannad
2 - Michishio Nagasumi / Seto No Hanayome
1 - Shiraishi Minoru / Lucky Star

I have a question..

Was there a SaiGar 2007 or 2006 before?

HurricaneHige

2007-11-26, 21:22

I havnt done it yet, i'm surprised that noone mention Allen Walker from D.Grayman....

Terrestrial Dream

2007-11-26, 21:23

I have a question..

Was there a SaiGar 2007 or 2006 before? From looking at this site, http://saigar.darkmirage.com/ there was 2007, which this guy name Guts won by beating Master Asia in the final.

Setsukyie

2007-11-26, 21:35

From looking at this site, http://saigar.darkmirage.com/ there was 2007, which this guy name Guts won by beating Master Asia in the final.

Ohh...
If I knew about this earlier, I would have voted the Ouran High School Host Club characters for SaiGar 2007...

I had a hard time picking for this year...
There were lots of my favorites last year though...
too late..heh..

minhtam1638

2007-11-26, 21:39

I have a question..

Was there a SaiGar 2007 or 2006 before?

Would Nanoha cause controversy if there wasn't?

cicido

2007-11-26, 21:52

Ohh...
If I knew about this earlier, I would have voted the Ouran High School Host Club characters for SaiGar 2007...

I had a hard time picking for this year...
There were lots of my favorites last year though...
too late..heh..

Ouran high school guys are gone faster than you can say "Shojou Harem Characters" ten times. ^_^

/a/ and /m/ control the tournament so I don't see hope for the nominates you had this year either.

Mad Dog

2007-11-26, 22:40

Was there a SaiGar 2007 or 2006 before?

Yes and i believe that Kyon from TMoHS won last year.

frustra

2007-11-26, 22:42

Yes and i believe that Kyon from TMoHS won last year.

Guts from Berserk won, not Kyon.

DarkZedEx

2007-11-26, 23:14

My votes~

5. Lelouch Lamperouge- Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion
4. Ayasaki Hayate- Hayate no Gotoku!
3. Yagami Kazuma- Kaze no Stigma
2. Michisio Nagasumi- Seto no Hanayome
1. Simon- Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann

Malintex_Terek

2007-11-27, 01:32

Was there a SaiGar 2007 or 2006 before?

Our first tournament was last year, which was the all-time one. Lurk more has an entry on it and Gar, but it needs to be updated - I just haven't had the time to do it. :|

anselfir

2007-11-27, 01:33

Yes and i believe that Kyon from TMoHS won last year.

lol'd

you are epic poster

Kaioshin Sama

2007-11-27, 01:52

Guts from Berserk won, not Kyon.

Against Master Asia. Good show down indeed.:cool:

Lunariska

2007-11-27, 03:26

lol'd

you are some life-in-my-own-dream-world poster

i fixed this for you.

-PoLLuX-

2007-11-28, 06:07

Damn.. I missed out on 2007, so I am going to see the whole 2008 hopefully.:D

claudius

2007-12-01, 12:49

My nominations:

5. Anti-spiral (Gurren Lagann)
4. Ikari Gendo (Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone)
3. Shiraishi Minoru (Lucky Star)
2. Ayasaki Hayate (Hayate the Combat Butler)

MANabi (Gakuen Utopia MANabi STRAIGHT!)
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6545/manabistraightuo2.jpg

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-02, 00:15

How Gar is Tomitake? Is he worth nominating?

Marina

2007-12-02, 00:45

I'm quite excited to discover Saigar since I've never heard of it before. But does anyone know if there will be an abundance of promotion sigs such as the ones used in the Saimoe campaigns?

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-02, 15:40

I'm quite excited to discover Saigar since I've never heard of it before. But does anyone know if there will be an abundance of promotion sigs such as the ones used in the Saimoe campaigns?

I don't know.

Focus on anime-related tournaments wasn't as strong last year as this year, and SaiGar Guy had some trouble getting the first tournament on the ground. Our topic about it in AnimeSuki got locked last year, possibly because the tourney rules/objectives and dates weren't clearly defined.

This year, everything's outlined well and the tournament's success last year has warmed most people to the idea. This is also the first time we'll have having an AS topic about it, plus numerous ones in other forums; I wouldn't be surprised if we had a lot of promotion and discussion for it here and abroad.

It won't be on SaiMoe's scale, though, because "Gar" isn't as well known, but it will be notable to say the least. We were the biggest of the derivative tournaments until this year.

Deathkillz

2007-12-02, 18:09

How Gar is Tomitake? Is he worth nominating?
i take it you mean the tomitake from higurashi? do you consider smashing a car up being GAR? :heh:

as for me...im happy with anyone from gurren lagann ;)

man love <3

-PoLLuX-

2007-12-02, 23:59

How Gar is Tomitake? Is he worth nominating?

TOMITAKE IS GAR!! Have you heard the drama CD's? Ohh so funny!:p

stardf29

2007-12-03, 14:10

I decided the easiest way to do this was to go down my top anime list and pick one character from each series that was eligible. Thus, it came out as such:

5. Nagasumi (Seto no Hanayome)
4. Chiaki (Nodame Cantabile; most manly orchestra conductor ever)
3. Minoru (Lucky Star)
2. Otani (Lovely Complex; bonus points for being short yet still being manly)
1. Tomoya (Clannad)

minhtam1638

2007-12-03, 21:59

Is there a limit of players who can participate?

Kaioshin Sama

2007-12-04, 03:52

It won't be on SaiMoe's scale, though, because "Gar" isn't as well known, but it will be notable to say the least. We were the biggest of the derivative tournaments until this year.

We can tell this by the fact that the most nominated character outside of Simon and Kamina seems to be Shiraishi Minoru who on a scale of 1-10 in terms of Garness I would rate about a 1.3, with Simon from Gurren Lagann being about a 9.8.

Then again since it's still pretty slim pickings this year.....what the hell. I just don't see most of the characters people are nominating going anywhere so Lucky Star and some other fans are going to be really disappointed. More Gar characters next year please Japan. I think there's enough moe girls left over from this year to last us at least a decade.

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-04, 14:45

Is there a limit of players who can participate?

There are 144 slots open, to go to the highest scorers of all nominated. Aside from the air date restriction, there are no limitations.

After my finals, I'll write up a list of all eligible males from the series composite listed on http://www.manlybadass.com.

We can tell this by the fact that the most nominated character outside of Simon and Kamina seems to be Shiraishi Minoru who on a scale of 1-10 in terms of Garness I would rate about a 1.3, with Simon from Gurren Lagann being about a 9.8.

That's actually somewhat of a good thing - it means that people haven't been exposed to too many Gar characters this season, and entering a not-well-known candidate into the tournament will get people to investigate "how Gar" he really is.

Of course, it could just blow up in our faces with people voting for who they know :heh:...but since SaiGar seems to overlap with rather tepid anime seasons (this upcoming winter doesn't look very appealing) it's a fine time for people to brush up on what they've missed.

Then again since it's still pretty slim pickings this year.....what the hell. I just don't see most of the characters people are nominating going anywhere so Lucky Star and some other fans are going to be really disappointed. More Gar characters next year please Japan. I think there's enough moe girls left over from this year to last us at least a decade.

Remember, the tournament isn't limited to fansubs, just anime that aired in the time bracket - characters like Dio Brando and Kenshiro can be nominated again because they were in movies that aired but have yet to be fansubbed. At the same time, cameos allow characters from other shows to enter as candidates from a particular show. Id est, Coach from Gunbuster can enter SaiGar 2008 as a candidate from Hayate no Gotoku.

Even then, I'd say that the low number of Gar characters is simply because people haven't dug deep enough...I've seen less than a tenth of the total series that were fansubbed in the time bracket, but from hearsay there appear to be a number of not well known competitors.

I only worry about over-representation from a few key series, like Seto and Gurren-Lagann.

hinode

2007-12-04, 16:23

Just to clarify, 2 cour shows that started fall 06 and finished winter 07 don't count as eligible for this?

The rules seem to imply that anything with at least one episode in the 1st December 2006 and 30th November 2007 is eligible, but I don't see SRWOG: Divine Wars on the list (or uh, Kanon 06, not that that should have any business in this). Then again Code Geass is listed, but that did have the summer episodes.

-PoLLuX-

2007-12-05, 01:36

The shows that can be nominated are listed here
http://saigar08.michaeldodd.net/series_list.htm

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-05, 03:51

The rules seem to imply that anything with at least one episode in the 1st December 2006 and 30th November 2007 is eligible, but I don't see SRWOG: Divine Wars on the list (or uh, Kanon 06, not that that should have any business in this). Then again Code Geass is listed, but that did have the summer episodes.

According to ANN, that title had an airdate of 10-04-06, which would make it ineligible for this tournament.

FlareKnight

2007-12-07, 17:51

After seeing the latest episode of Higurashi I'd say forget Tomitake and give Akasaka full points and entry into the tournament.

Mizuno

2007-12-07, 20:47

I second that. Akasaka was just displayed some total pwnage in the latest Higurashi episode.

OverFunk

2007-12-07, 23:11

Akasaka seconded. Epic manliness there.

According to ANN, that title had an airdate of 10-04-06, which would make it ineligible for this tournament.
I have an objection, although too late.

Fall anime gets screwed by this rule. They are incomplete at the time of the nomination. GAR tends to appear later in the series. Some characters are completely off the charts until they do something really manly, like Akasaka we are discussing right now. Sakai Yuji comes to mind, since he will be GAR, but he isn't now, I doubt he'll get nominated.

I remember that Kazuki (Hotblooded kind of GAR) from Busou Renkin didn't enter. His best moments were of course on the second half of the series. Or Hiwatari "Blaze of Glory" gets excluded, as he appeared on the second half. Just some examples.

Most of this series I'm using as example ran during the selection period. But it's still excluded due to the premier date criteria. As a side comment, I think we're not overflowing with manly men in anime to afford to exclude this many.

We should have the selection period to cover the seasons completely. Fall 2006 to Summer 2007 would have been more appropriate I think.

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-08, 04:30

Fall anime gets screwed by this rule. They are incomplete at the time of the nomination. GAR tends to appear later in the series. Some characters are completely off the charts until they do something really manly, like Akasaka we are discussing right now. Sakai Yuji comes to mind, since he will be GAR, but he isn't now, I doubt he'll get nominated.

Yuuji has already been nominated; in the case of anime that adaptions that extend beyond the anime's pace, they'll get included and will likely drag their feet for a while until their scenes of awesome kick in.

On the subject of Gar, and I think we'll have a lot more time to debate the mechanics of it during the tournament, I don't think a single act makes a character Gar. It's as much a lifestyle and personal philosophy as is a single action. Our original example, Archer, did "Gar" stuff all the time, whether it was slicing and melting Berserker or chanting Unlimited Blade Works. Simmilarly, Guts and Akagi were the same - even during "down-time" periods, like Akagi eating/drinking or Guts just lounging around, those guys still emitted a charismatic aura of manliness, like their mental states never changed from one of battle to relaxation.

I personally define Gar as the act of over-coming weakness - there are three types in this regard. The first, characters who start off with a flaw but rid themselves of it later in a show. This is the most common type of Gar (Yuuji, Shirou, Simon), and a few shounen protagonists grow up to be men of this calibur. Type II Gar would be a character with no weakness whatsoever, like Akagi and Master Asia. The final type would be characters who struggle with a weakness/flaw for their entire featured time, but in spite of this manage to do make impressive showings, and the struggle against the weakness itself is admirable. Kaiji is a recent example of this.

Given these trends, it would be apparent that just because a character doesn't show overt manliness at first doesn't mean he can't later - the majority of characters are Type I Gar anyway. So, for SaiGar, nominating characters with potential to see how they end up would be prudent; at worst, they don't do well in their rounds and people vote for then in the next tournament, if they are lucky enough to get involved.

Most of this series I'm using as example ran during the selection period. But it's still excluded due to the premier date criteria. As a side comment, I think we're not overflowing with manly men in anime to afford to exclude this many.

By your own argument, we don't know who is manly yet for currently run seasons, it wouldn't be fair to claim the characters in Ghost Hound (example) couldn't turn out to be Gar later in the series run, when the tournament is underway. At that, regarding your examples from before, I'd attribute that to people not taking the tournament seriously enough to nominate characters they thought could have gone quite far.

My general rule of thumb is, "Nominate characters you like, vote on Gar". The nomination process is the biggest hurdle, since every year there are a number of folks who don't believe in the tournament's legitimacy and don't participate at first, then complain later when their expectations go wrong. Same goes for nominating not-well-known characters.

My own list of characters consisted of several obscure ones - I intend to promote them during SaiGar because they're not well known, so people recognize their awesome and get into the series. This is how Akagi became a house-hold name at Yotsuba, and how "Harlock" evolved from a treasured memory in the experiences of several old anime fans to a well known archetype (though, "Garlock" helped him become even more known).

We should have the selection period to cover the seasons completely. Fall 2006 to Summer 2007 would have been more appropriate I think.

SaiGar 2007's end point was (- ∞) - November 2007, allowing for a great deal of nomination. In that period, we ended up with folks like Shinji, QUALITY Cabbage and such, who got in by virtue of recent popularity and a belief that the tournament would fail.

To correct for this, all I can advise is people promote the tournament and have them vote for obscure characters - 144 slots is a lot of shoes to fill, but we still have the numbers of men right now. We just need to give them time to grow - lend them a nod of approval and hope for the best.

Grimkill7

2007-12-08, 16:05

5. Maebara Keiichi (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai)
4. Lelouch Vie Brittania (Code Geass)
3. Hei (Darker Than Black)
2. Kazuma (Kaze no Stigma)
1. Akasaka (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai)

Hah. I could only think of 4 characters at the time of my entry so I just chose a random character to fill my 1 spot. Akasaka was that character. Who knew he would actually turn out to be this GAR? :heh::heh:

-PoLLuX-

2007-12-09, 02:20

Ahh!! I voted too early!! Akasaka way too Gar! Also all the other Higurashi Sub main characters! :D:D:D:D

SirusRiddler

2007-12-09, 02:43

5 - Akasaka Mamoru from Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni Kai (HELL YES!)
4 - Sakata Gintoki from Gintama (Eyes like a dead fish, fights like a beast)
3 - Tomitake Jirou from Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni Kai (TOMITAKE CRUSH!)
2 - Itoshiki Nozomu from Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei (He fights the system like no other. Survived many suicide attempts as well)
1 - Grimmjow Jeagerjaques from Bleach (I can never forget his Dio moment backed by beautiful background music)

herbert

2007-12-09, 06:19

I feel very sorry for some guys that I have voted for two girls and almost voted White Devil for busting Vivio.

5. Guy @ Darker than Black

Hardboiled detective FTW.

4. Miyako Miyazaki @ Bamboo Blade

Pink Miyamiya...no she is blackenning, BLACK Miyamiya.

3. Mr. Zhang @ Black Lagoon

So far, the best gunslinger in Black Lagoon series.

2. Chiri Kitsu @ Sayonara Zetsubō Sensei

To live correctly or die hard, choose one you like.

1. Ladd Russo @ Baccano!

I can't forget in ep.1 how he is waving his broken left arm in front of many policemen.

SeijiSensei

2007-12-09, 10:29

I keep getting "duplicates found" error when I try to submit my one nominee, the Medicine Seller from Mononoke. All my other rows are blank. Is that a problem?

Edit: I looked for cookies to see if that's the problem, but the site doesn't seem to use those. I closed my browser (Firefox) which deletes everything that might have been saved. That didn't help either. I tried entering three candidates (adding Chiaki from Nodame Cantabile and Ryukki from Saiunkoku Monogatari); that also didn't make a difference. I'm still told I have duplicate entries. As an experienced PHP coder, it feels like the script to which I'm posting doesn't ignore blanks and treats them as dups.

Fynal_Fyre

2007-12-09, 10:51

Well, I'd frankly like to vote, but my ISP's transparent proxy prevents me from doing so....

Is it even possible to get 'round this?

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-09, 13:17

I looked for cookies to see if that's the problem, but the site doesn't seem to use those. I closed my browser (Firefox) which deletes everything that might have been saved. That didn't help either. I tried entering three candidates (adding Chiaki from Nodame Cantabile and Ryukki from Saiunkoku Monogatari); that also didn't make a difference. I'm still told I have duplicate entries. As an experienced PHP coder, it feels like the script to which I'm posting doesn't ignore blanks and treats them as dups.

Your intuition is correct, if you leave blank entries they are read as duplicates.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-12-09, 13:17

I feel very sorry for some guys that I have voted for two girls and almost voted White Devil for busting Vivio.

Amuro Ray busted Vivio?

Maids! Maids! Maids!

2007-12-09, 15:32

On the subject of Gar, and I think we'll have a lot more time to debate the mechanics of it during the tournament, I don't think a single act makes a character Gar. It's as much a lifestyle and personal philosophy as is a single action. Our original example, Archer, did "Gar" stuff all the time, whether it was slicing and melting Berserker or chanting Unlimited Blade Works. Simmilarly, Guts and Akagi were the same - even during "down-time" periods, like Akagi eating/drinking or Guts just lounging around, those guys still emitted a charismatic aura of manliness, like their mental states never changed from one of battle to relaxation.

I personally define Gar as the act of over-coming weakness - there are three types in this regard. The first, characters who start off with a flaw but rid themselves of it later in a show. This is the most common type of Gar (Yuuji, Shirou, Simon), and a few shounen protagonists grow up to be men of this calibur. Type II Gar would be a character with no weakness whatsoever, like Akagi and Master Asia. The final type would be characters who struggle with a weakness/flaw for their entire featured time, but in spite of this manage to do make impressive showings, and the struggle against the weakness itself is admirable. Kaiji is a recent example of this.

Much like "moe," Gar was intended to describe the feelings a character elicited in the viewer. Like many 4chan (unforced) memes, Gar originated in a typo. After Archer's battle with Berserker, a number of Archer threads appeared on /a/. In one, Anonymous apparently intended to type, "I am gay for Archer," but instead typed, "I am gar for Archer." I believe I was actually on /a/ at the time, although I wasn't in the thread. I did see the almost immediate aftermath, however. Gar described a character who was so cool and masculine, he could inspire romantic and/or erotic feelings in the male viewer. The definition remained relatively constant until Kamina appeared. Gar was then expanded to include hot, masculine characters.

In much the same way moe isn't exactly a synonym for cute or kawaii (although it usually incorporates those traits), Gar isn't exactly a synonym for cool or hot blooded or even masculine/manly. It's entirely subjective in that what counts is your response to the character.

OverFunk

2007-12-10, 08:35

The Chaos

2007-12-10, 09:31

Lelouch Lamperouge----> (Code Geass)
Hayate Ayasaki----->(Hayate no Gotoku)
Michishio Nagasumi ---->(Seto no Hanayome)
Zaraki Kenpachi ---->(Bleach)
Uichah Itachi----->(Naruto Shippūden)

As for female
Teresa-----> Claymore
Clear----> Claymore
Miria-----> also Claymore

Kaioshin Sama

2007-12-18, 16:09

Posting a late response, I pretty much agree with Maids!x3 on the view on GAR. Although, I agree on the types of GAR, much like moe can be categorized.

Going by the manly definition Lelouch/Light (example) aren't GAR at all. They're pretty boys anyway. But the way I see it, they can be awesome for moments, so I'm GAR for them in a way.

Why do I think a single act can make you GAR? Because it triggers the "Awesome!" response on me. Akasaka's scene was awesome, so yeah, he's GAR to me.

Although my issue was more with the period. The way it is made, no character can enter twice. And Fall anime characters get affected since they don't enter the tournament at full potential. The eligible period criteria should be more like Saimoe. We don't have many spare GAR men anyway :p

Trying to compound a significant number of often complex traits in a character down to a singular explanation, and especially one that is just a slang term like Gar and Moe, is difficult in and of itself. Personally I never liked the idea of using one simple term with a modifier to describe many different ideas. It reminds me too much of Newspeak. Just switch out Doubleplus Good, Goodsex, Goodthink, Doublethink etc. for Tsundere Moe, Megane Moe, Moeblob, Gruff Gar etc. and it's essentially the same idea. Many of these characters that have these labels attached to them are more than just these made up words.

Though as long as it's just for the sake of fun and isn't taken too seriously then I don't mind participating in something like Saigar just once a year.

Though the way Saimoe 2007 seems to be dragging on and on and on into what I'm sure is going to end in a year round phenomenon in time for the 2008 affair is kind of worrisome.

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-22, 21:45

Just a friendly reminder, the last day of voting is...nigh! :O

Moonie

2007-12-23, 02:04

Oh crap! it's been a long time since my last login. :twitch:

Any ideas on when the contest will begin? :heh:

a_c_e

2007-12-29, 12:36

The contest will hopefully be kicking off sometime in the next couple of weeks...

kucigaromeo

2007-12-30, 00:00

Damn I'm late, if I know about this earlier I'd nominate Kōchō-sensei (principal) of Hidamari Sketch and Kajiwara Ao of Sketchbook ~full colors~. They way they live common ordinary everyday life is GAR. No one seems to nominate this kind of GAR.

Also Machi onee-sama of Nagasarete Airantō, psycho moé equals GAR.

-PoLLuX-

2007-12-30, 09:31

Contest is gonna be like Saimoe I guess?

a_c_e

2007-12-30, 13:45

SaiGAR 2008 is go! The final 144 have been drawn, and the brackets are up at http://saigar08.michaeldodd.net or http://www.manlybadass.com ("http://www.manlybadass.com).

Voting begins on Saturday, 5 January 2008. Enjoy the tournament :)

Grimkill7

2007-12-30, 13:51

All my nominations made it!:heh: Not really surprising though considering how this year was slim pickings.

Kinohara

2007-12-30, 14:51

How many woman are there?
I see 1, 2, 3... wew, even Kino!?

Terrestrial Dream

2007-12-30, 15:03

The Chaos

2007-12-30, 15:11

OMG Hosaka In Their Too....:heh:
But There No Uichah Itachi From Naruto..:sad:

Kagerou

2007-12-30, 15:19

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Glensather/Image3.png

_juu

2007-12-30, 15:21

Great to see the Les Miserable Characters made it :D
Well, from my point of view there are some very unGAR characters in there, but that makes it easier for me to decide... yeah (great lol@Dango though).
Looking at last year I'm very confident will win in the end.
And I may support November 11th. yeah.
I guess I'm looking forward to this.

The Chaos

2007-12-30, 15:25

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Glensather/Image3.png
I Can't believe They Even Put Dango :heh:

Eviltape

2007-12-30, 15:28

Oh god, I'm loving this lineup, cept for a few hard decisions.

Group A's Biggies include 4chan's favorite Itou Kaji, Fist of the North Star's epic Kenshiro, I-want-to-win-but-probably-won't Yoko from TTGL, and... Boota. Definitely voting for Boota. :D

From Group B I can only recognize potential winners as Makoto from School Days (for shits), L from Death Note, Clare in Claymore, and Shirashi Minoru, November 11, & Lockon Stratos in the same first tier. That one will be a hard decision for all of us, won't it? Nanoha, we love you, but I'm not quite sure about this bracket.

As for Group C I recognize Keiichi/K1, Yuuichi from Kanon, Huang, and Masa-san in the left. On the right there's Allelujah (I'm guessing Hallelujah's here too) Haptism, Nagarsumi, and Akio Furukawa. Sacrifices must be made.

In Group D it'll be a bash between the Haruhi fans for Kyon, Hei, and maybe even Saito on the left. As for the right, I have no clue.

Group E has Kittan, Light, Lunar's dad (VOTE.), and 4chan will rush in for Giovanni. It's the English *chans vs. everyone else in this one, maybe.

I'm voting for Hayate, San-chan, Ninomiya, and maybe even the Dango themselves if they get past the first tier in Group F. Simon's probably getting through for sure.

Group G almost turned into Saimoe with Rika, Potemayo, and Konata. Age might nudge past the people who thought this was Saimoe, but then again I don't know many of the characters in this group.

Group H is a witch. Rena (for her murder mode), Kira, and Sunohara's name which might be a typo. Tch, the series just get less well known with each group.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-12-30, 15:36

wtf how the hell did Shinji made it to the list? This is an outrage! :mad: Also I don't watch Potemayo, but she doesn't look very gar to me so how did she made it and other character that I see are not even gar at all, so again how the hell did they made it. :confused:. Hopefully by the second round all of the non-gar character would be dropped off. I think this tournament need some change as I see many character that are not even gar at all.

Wholeheartedly agree. Many characters look like joke entries and I hope this doesn't get ruined by Vote for the Worst bloc votes.

My first votes will have to go to Kenshiro and Emperor of Brittania.

Edel

2007-12-30, 15:40

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Glensather/Image3.png

help me guys, I enter in http://saigar08.michaeldodd.net and I can´t see the groups :.; How I can seek them?

Grimkill7

2007-12-30, 15:40

Dango's gonna pull a L-Block and take the tourny for sure.

Pakxenon

2007-12-30, 15:44

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Glensather/Image3.png
Truly, lolwut?

There are at least 8 females in there, over 14 including joke entries. It's such a travesty.

Eryops

2007-12-30, 17:33

Truly, lolwut?

There are at least 8 females in there, over 14 including joke entries. It's such a travesty.
That is to be expected though. Last year characters from any anime ever made ever could participate, which meant that there were plenty of serious contenders. This year only characters from anime released in 2007 were allowed. It's natural that there'll be a lot fewer characters available that could be considered gar. The contest should have had fewer starting characters to compensate for that change.

PS: One shouldn't forget that there were a number of joke entries last year as well though. Also quite a few people picked characters and will be voting in order to troll those that take Saigar seriously, so it's best not to attach much importance to this contest.

KaneDragon

2007-12-30, 18:08

Truly, lolwut?

There are at least 8 females in there, over 14 including joke entries. It's such a travesty.

Hey, hey. Do NOT diss female participation, because Seto San is made of righteousness and win. :D
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/747/sanstitchbloodyblossomszi4.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitchbloodyblossomszi4.jpg)
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4479/sanmanlyrealmeneatrawmexj1.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanmanlyrealmeneatrawmexj1.jpg)

I'll just look at Block A for now...
Kenshiro is a shoe-in.
I've never seen Kimikiss, so I'll vote for the Emperor.
I don't watch Minami-Ke, so I'm not sure about the match with the Claymores.

Not familiar with any of the other shows, in fact, so I'll pass completely for the rest.

Terrestrial Dream

2007-12-30, 18:32

Dango's gonna pull a L-Block and take the tourny for sure. Hmm... I doubt it, with Kamina and Simon I don't think this Dango thing will not win. And what is this Dango anyway? The only dango that I know is this
http://pds6.egloos.com/pds/200709/28/14/a0006414_46fcec7bc845b.jpg
Is it the same thing or does it look completely different?

Midonin

2007-12-30, 18:32

Some of the upcoming matches have some truly difficult decisions.

Masaru vs. Kittan - Sure, Masaru's fist can do anything, but Kittan is KITTAN.
Shungo vs. Nabeshin - Really, Shungo. The man's endured plenty and never had a nosebleed.
Lelouch vs. Dan - I don't know about you guys, but I'm siding with The Don on this one.

-PoLLuX-

2007-12-30, 18:49

lol? I see Rika in there :p, glad most of Higurashi is up there and I see many other girls up there too!

Eryops

2007-12-30, 19:17

Hmm... I doubt it, with Kamina and Simon I don't think this Dango thing will not win. And what is this Dango anyway?
In the series Clannad one of the characters watches an anime that centers on dangos. They also appear in the series' ED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfO7QctjKO4).

lol? I see Rika in there :p, glad most of Higurashi is up there and I see many other girls up there too!
I too think that Rika deserves to be in there. Here's an example why:
Rika: If you want to kill me do it without putting me to sleep.
Villain: What is this about? You don't want a painless death? It's painful, you know... To be gutted alive.
Rika: It is so I don't forget. I will carve the fact that you will tear open my stomach unto my soul. So that when we meet again, I will remember that you are my adversary!Not only does she refuse to be anesthetized before she's disemboweled, she also proceeds to stare down the character who ripped her guts out until the moment she dies. I think that's pretty GAR.

KaneDragon

2007-12-30, 19:17

Hmm... I doubt it, with Kamina and Simon I don't think this Dango thing will not win. And what is this Dango anyway? The only dango that I know is this
http://pds6.egloos.com/pds/200709/28/14/a0006414_46fcec7bc845b.jpg
Is it the same thing or does it look completely different?

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5246/dangofamilyzx9.th.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dangofamilyzx9.jpg)
These are the Dango from Clannad. Harmless by themselves, but deadly in large numbers. The vicious yet delicious critters travel in packs, and can strip the flesh off a cow in under five minutes. :uhoh:

Dango won't make it past Hayate, at least, so no use worrying about it.

minhtam1638

2007-12-30, 19:39

Rika? Rena? Konata? They can't be in this! They're already in the international league!

cleo1

2007-12-30, 21:30

4 out of 5 of my nomination made it, so I should be pleased.
But I'm sad to see Naru (Ghost hunt) not made it and Dango did :(

BakaOnna

2007-12-30, 22:19

Everyone's going crazy over Dango getting it, but not Aspergillus niger? :heh: It'll be hilarious as hell if the finals ended up being Dango vs. Fungus. :heh:

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-31, 00:26

Waay to many joke entries in this tournament, and a strange pick for females. I am shocked Balalaika and Revy of BL didn't make it in (heck, where's Rock and Dutch?) yet astounded that Nanoha, Konata, and Rika got in.

While the initial brackets do smell a bit, with the first round of slaughter the tournament should shape up so long as we don't get huge votes for the jokes.

And remember! Just because one doesn't know a character doesn't mean one shouldn't vote for someone, or abstain from voting at that. Topics like these exist so we can explain shows and debate why/why not certain people are Gar or not. Heck, I'm pretty eager for someone to explain why "Medicine Man" is a sell. Any Mononoke fans in the house?

Suffice to say, I won't be participating in this tournament as strongly as last year, but I'll still be very interested in what happens. :)

Dagger

2007-12-31, 00:42

The Medicine Seller is just flawlessly badass, haha. He's the main character of the series, but because it's an anthology show, the focus is primarily on other characters... which means his main duty is to sit around and be awesome, make deadpan remarks, and occasionally deal out heavy-duty pwnage. Bonus points for having a decidedly sadistic streak.

FlareKnight

2007-12-31, 03:13

Yeah a few joke entries, but still characters I like are in there so should be easy enough to support through this one.

Rika took the Saimoe now its' time to go for the GAR :).

Almost everyone made it in. Though with some picks (Dango...) its a little sad everyone didn't make it. Only one that didn't crack it was Hiiragi Renji who I thought would do alright in this one after everything that happened in his series.

Oh well should be pretty interesting.

Moonie

2007-12-31, 03:36

Yeah! all of my nominees qualified :D

I'm not surprised about the Claymore girls in the entries

But, wtf! Dango!? :twitch: never expected this one :heh:

And is Itou Makato qualified because of his sex drive? :heh:

-PoLLuX-

2007-12-31, 05:20

seems like it

Enigma 56

2007-12-31, 06:23

hmmm...is it 2 late to nominate? i clicked on the link and searched the link in google and kept getting an error page...lemme know:confused:

Eryops

2007-12-31, 06:53

hmmm...is it 2 late to nominate? i clicked on the link and searched the link in google and kept getting an error page...lemme know:confused:
The list of contenders have already been finalized.

a_c_e

2007-12-31, 07:49

I am shocked Balalaika and Revy of BL didn't make it in (heck, where's Rock and Dutch?)

Second Barrage finished it's run on 18 December 2006, which sadly places it just outside the qualifying period. For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure most of the BL characters would have made it if not for that - Revy certainly was in last year's "all-time" competition

While the initial brackets do smell a bit, with the first round of slaughter the tournament should shape up so long as we don't get huge votes for the jokes.

Agreed, and remember some joke nominations may help take out others - anyone else think Nanoha would have a far easier match against some relatively unknown, low-ranking GAR character than she will against BRUCE IRONSTAUNCH? ;)

And remember! Just because one doesn't know a character doesn't mean one shouldn't vote for someone, or abstain from voting at that. Topics like these exist so we can explain shows and debate why/why not certain people are Gar or not.

True enough, SaiGAR 2007 was pretty much the making of Akagi, and got me watching Harlock to pick out just a couple of examples

Grimkill7

2007-12-31, 12:03

4 out of 5 of my nomination made it, so I should be pleased.
But I'm sad to see Naru (Ghost hunt) not made it and Dango did :(

Kind of a late reply here, but Naru did make it. Group G 2nd Bracket. Shibuya Kazuya is Naru's real name.

cleo1

2007-12-31, 14:44

Thank you, I totally missed that, must have been the shock of seeing Konata there.

TnAdct1

2007-12-31, 15:47

5 for 5 when it comes to my nominations.

Also, LOL at Motsu being considered GAR.

cicido

2007-12-31, 16:13

minhtam1638

2007-12-31, 16:20

Let's just hope that this doesn't turn out to be another game faq's character contest. (with dango being the l-block, of course)

With so much non-GAR character in the contest, I'm starting to think that no-body takes popularity contests like this seriously. C'MON, IT'S GOT "SAI" IN IT, IT'S GOTTA BE FUCKING SERIOUS!

It's called "guidelines". When you don't set guidelines, people don't take you seriously. Last I remember, GAR was "anything goes" and has always been "anything goes".

Xellos-_^

2007-12-31, 16:47

Truly, lolwut?

There are at least 8 females in there, over 14 including joke entries. It's such a travesty.

Don't diss the female characters. When you consider Shinji, Raki and Leeon is in. I think Teresa, Clare, Galatea, Nanoha, Balsa and San is more certainly more Gar then are and probably more Gar then 90% of the entries. Which quite sad when you consider it.

Grimkill7

2007-12-31, 16:58

If any of the joke entries make it past their first round, I will be worried :uhoh:.

Malintex_Terek

2007-12-31, 18:14

If any of the joke entries make it past their first round, I will be worried :uhoh:.

A statistic released on Yotsuba in the quite hours of the morning a while back claimed that there were 6000 entries for this year's SaiGar. For comparison, last year's final with Guts v. Master Asia only netted a bit more than 800.

Suffice to say, it remains to be seen how far the jokes go - if there's a number of folks who take the tournament seriously, as here, we shouldn't run into trouble. Last year there was a horrible bracket were "QUALITY Cabbage" (who I voted for, by the way) ended up the best candidate of the lot. I voted hoping he would sabotage Nanoha, but Guts beat the both of them quite soundly.

...

Anyway, according to the template, the first match starts 05 January 2007. If we're going by the same time as last year, the match will begin sometime around 1:00 PST for most people and will end at 12:00 PST, with an hour break before the next round of voting. In the first round, people will vote for BOTH brackets - as in, on the left hand side we'll be voting on Dio, Yoko, and Kenshiro, and on the right Charles di Britannia, Kazuki and Motsu.

Once we get through the first round of voting, which will take about a month, we'll have a two day break then go into the next round, then the block finals. Quarter final rankings are then generated at the start of March.

triggerc

2008-01-03, 09:34

I fail to see how at least 90% of the characters in the poll qualify for GAR. I thought GAR was more sacred than a ten year old harem school teacher....

KaneDragon

2008-01-03, 10:46

I fail to see how at least 90% of the characters in the poll qualify for GAR. I thought GAR was more sacred than a ten year old harem school teacher....
GAR is a 4chan meme; why on earth would you try to call it "sacred"? :rolleyes:

If you'd read the manga, you might have a better idea why people nominated him... ;)
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4112/negimac193mahougodfatheep8.th.png (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negimac193mahougodfatheep8.png)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8717/negimac085negiunleashesdk4.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negimac085negiunleashesdk4.jpg)http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8827/negimac041powerofawesteeq2.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negimac041powerofawesteeq2.jpg)http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9420/msnch187pg17oe9.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msnch187pg17oe9.png)

Not to mention being impaled in the chest by a large shard of stone, only to pull it out and grip it with one hand while suckerpunching his opponent with the other, to protect his students. I do believe he qualifies.

Not sure about his opponents. Giovanni has meme power for boxing with (and getting K.O.ed by?) a Chansey (but that's there, not here... right?), and never heard of Aurion Kratos.

Terrestrial Dream

2008-01-03, 18:47

GAR is a 4chan meme; why on earth would you try to call it "sacred"? :rolleyes:

If you'd read the manga, you might have a better idea why people nominated him... ;)
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4112/negimac193mahougodfatheep8.th.png (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negimac193mahougodfatheep8.png)http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8717/negimac085negiunleashesdk4.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negimac085negiunleashesdk4.jpg)http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8827/negimac041powerofawesteeq2.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negimac041powerofawesteeq2.jpg)http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9420/msnch187pg17oe9.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msnch187pg17oe9.png)

Not sure about his opponents. Giovanni has meme power for boxing with (and getting K.O.ed by?) a Chansey (but that's there, not here... right?), and never heard of Aurion Kratos. Kratos is pretty gar and I think he deserves to be in there. I hope that Kratos moves ahead in the tournament, since he was my favorite character in Tales of Symphonia.

minhtam1638

2008-01-03, 21:58

Anybody here part of the SaiGAR staff? I need a little CGI help from you guys...

cleo1

2008-01-04, 19:30

So any certainty about the time when to vote?

a_c_e

2008-01-04, 22:05

So any certainty about the time when to vote?

Voting is open now

Tonight's matches:

Dio Brando (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood) vs. Kenshiro (Fist of the North Star) vs. Yoko (Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann)

Aihara Kazuki (Kimikiss Pure Rouge) vs. Emperor of Britannia (Code Geass) vs. Motsu (Negima?!)

KaneDragon

2008-01-04, 22:38

The Emperor has such an awesome voice. ;_;

Here's hoping for a good first turnout.

Matt Soulblade

2008-01-04, 23:20

Voting for Kazuki.
He's got balls.

OverFunk

2008-01-05, 03:33

I'm torn between Dio and Kenshiro for the first match. Leaning towards Dio slightly, though. Yoko is a joke here :x

On the other match ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!

Edit:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9215/1199538959527hk0.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9215/1199538959527hk0.jpg)
Heh.

minhtam1638

2008-01-05, 03:35

Hmm... an hour-long wait to get your code? I can see why...

Kaioshin Sama

2008-01-05, 04:43

Voted for Kenshiro and Emperor of Britannia as I said. Kenshiro because he's a huge buff martial artist who screams his way through most fights, can punch a person in half, and has his shirt explode off every episode, and Emperor of Britannia for being ridiculously tall and commanding, as well as having a booming voice.

Jinsoo

2008-01-05, 15:59

Yoko could kill a man just by kissing them >__>;;;

jaziek

2008-01-05, 16:50

Yoko could kill a man just by kissing them >__>;;;

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THAR!

OverFunk

2008-01-05, 18:13

Deserved victory for the Emperor.

Close match for Dio and Kenshiro, with a victory for everyone's favorite time-stopping vampire. The fact that Yoko got more than 200... we've won a battle, but we could lose the war.

a_c_e

2008-01-05, 18:17

Results: Match day 1

Group A
1: Dio Brando (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood): 252 votes
2: Kenshiro (Fist of the North Star): 245
3: Yoko (Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann): 213

1: Emperor of Britannia (Code Geass): 514 votes
2: Motsu (Negima?!): 70
3: Aihara Kazuki (Kimikiss Pure Rouge): 32

Next Round - Match day 2
Hosaka (Minami-ke) vs. Teresa (Claymore) vs. Galatea (Claymore)
Itou Kaiji (Kaiji) vs. Gen Fudo (Aquarion OVA) vs. Boota (Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann)

Vote codes start generating at 00:00 GMT, happy voting

Eviltape

2008-01-05, 18:17

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4831/1199574461232ho1.jpg

Results and vote numbers in picture form. I wholeheartedly agree with these results. :) I'm leaning towards Galatea/Teresa and Kaji, but Boota's going to get a shatload of joke votes. What do the watchers/readers of Claymore think? I haven't seen it.

EDIT: a_c_e posted them seconds earlier. Fiend! :p

Xellos-_^

2008-01-05, 18:22

Eryops

2008-01-05, 18:22

Close match for Dio and Kenshiro, with a victory for everyone's favorite time-stopping vampire. The fact that Yoko got more than 200... we've won a battle, but we could lose the war.
I was rather disappointed that Kenshiro lost. I think he should be viewed as being more gar than Dio, since the latter always fought in a cowardly manner, trying to avoid endangering himself and used any dirty trick he could in his attempts to win.

Midonin

2008-01-05, 18:28

I'm voting for Hosaka. ...well, I am.

OverFunk

2008-01-05, 18:30

Even so it was Yoko the one who got too many votes here. Dio and Kenshiro are supposed to be two of /a/'s favorites.

Hosaka and Kaiji today.

Jinsoo

2008-01-05, 18:44

I'm having a tough decision between Galatea and Teresa myself =w=

But I'll vote for Boota just because he's a giant fuzz ball of fighting spirit :U

Nanaya

2008-01-05, 19:22

Hosaka hands down for me.

No superpowers. Just a true and genuine romantic man's man, Quixotic GAR.

Malintex_Terek

2008-01-05, 22:34

I was rather disappointed that Kenshiro lost. I think he should be viewed as being more gar than Dio, since the latter always fought in a cowardly manner, trying to avoid endangering himself and used any dirty trick he could in his attempts to win.

Frankly, I shed no tears for Kenshiro - he went down in an exceptionally close match. That's all true Gar characters can hope for. I only wish someone saved the graph from earlier - the power's going out all across California from the torrential storms that keep hitting us, so I missed voting AND the results. Nothing appeared in the archive so I guess I missed out unless someone here will bring me up to speed.

Yoko getting more than two hundred votes is scary. Her making the three way match between Ken and Dio so close is likewise un-nerving; portents for a foul future if I do say so myself!

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In any matter, like many, Hosaka and Kaiji get my votes. One doesn't need super-powers to be Gar - the Emperor of Britannia got his votes on the basis of his charismatic speech alone, Kaiji and Hosaka have their wits, brains, and dedication. Though those qualities don't always apply, heh.

Kaioshin Sama

2008-01-06, 01:41

Frankly, I shed no tears for Kenshiro - he went down in an exceptionally close match. That's all true Gar characters can hope for. I only wish someone saved the graph from earlier - the power's going out all across California from the torrential storms that keep hitting us, so I missed voting AND the results. Nothing appeared in the archive so I guess I missed out unless someone here will bring me up to speed.

Yoko getting more than two hundred votes is scary. Her making the three way match between Ken and Dio so close is likewise un-nerving; portents for a foul future if I do say so myself!

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In any matter, like many, Hosaka and Kaiji get my votes. One doesn't need super-powers to be Gar - the Emperor of Britannia got his votes on the basis of his charismatic speech alone, Kaiji and Hosaka have their wits, brains, and dedication. Though those qualities don't always apply, heh.

I'm only going to start worrying if Minoru Shiraishi gets farther than a round or two. I don't see why some people are so dead set on seeing him win. Pretty much the only thing the guy did was tear down a set, which I'd hardly call manly. It was more like the guy had no self control. Characters like the Dango and Tomoya will hopefully go soon forbidding a 2ch intervention, as the dango is a puffball, and Tomoya is just your typical Keyani lead. Sarcasm/=Gar.

As for Yoko, I give support to her getting a respectable close third. She really earns it with her actions in the teaching episode, and her willingness to put herself in danger throughout the series (especially during that episode) for the sake of the innocent is the pinnacle of Gar Heroism to me. Though Kenshiro did the same thing constantly, and a much louder and more epic character who's legacy continues in OVA's today, so he got my nod. As for Emperor of Brittania, I really just gave it to him because he was the only real competition in that bracket, though I agree he shouldn't make it too far.

Malintex_Terek

2008-01-06, 02:44

Well, I'm all but convinced to vote for Hosaka. A man who changes his image so he can become the perfect beau for the woman he loves? One doesn't get more manly than that; he's dedicated enough to undertake the pain but devoted enough to endure it. Those are qualities that are extremely admirable!

I'm only going to start worrying if Minoru Shiraishi gets farther than a round or two. I don't see why some people are so dead set on seeing him win. Pretty much the only thing the guy did was tear down a set, which I'd hardly call manly. It was more like the guy had no self control. Characters like the Dango and Tomoya will hopefully go soon forbidding a 2ch intervention, as the dango is a puffball, and Tomoya is just your typical Keyani lead. Sarcasm/=Gar.

You've got to put a Japanese person's work into perspective; most of them allow themselves to be trampled on by co-workers and higher ups. Sebastian losing his cool just goes to show he's not like those other folks.

And "one-shot" characters who are famous for a single incident never have much staying power; second round tops for folks like that, especially when we can just list accomplishments of other characters off like shells from a machine gun in comparison.

As for Yoko, I give support to her getting a respectable close third. She really earns it with her actions in the teaching episode, and her willingness to put herself in danger throughout the series (especially during that episode) for the sake of the innocent is the pinnacle of Gar Heroism to me. Though Kenshiro did the same thing constantly, and a much louder and more epic character who's legacy continues in OVA's today, so he got my nod. As for Emperor of Brittania, I really just gave it to him because he was the only real competition in that bracket, though I agree he shouldn't make it too far.

My only complaint with Charlie is...he hasn't done anything. A single stump speech and that's it. If we're going by accomplishments, Coach (the OTHER Wakamoto character) should go much farther, but the Gurren-Lagann trolls seem to want to vote for the bacteria. D:

And my fear of Yoko isn't because she doesn't have a lot of manly traits, it's because the GL lobby is dangerous enough to back even minor characters like Beamspam or Ron; in matches where there's low salience, if the GL lobby remains powerful we could risk turning SaiGar into "SaiGL" which I don't think anyone wants. Assuredly, at least one GL character will make it to the quarter finals, but I doubt people want any more than one.

Xanithor

2008-01-06, 03:46

Oh, look. Yoko lost. hehe.

DigimonTamer

2008-01-06, 15:50

Made sure to get my vote in for Kaiji!

a_c_e

2008-01-06, 18:10

Results: Match day 2

Group A
1: Hosaka (Minami-ke) 553 votes
2: Teresa (Claymore) 308 votes
3: Galatea (Claymore) 74 votes

1: Itou Kaiji (Kaiji) 555 votes
2: Boota (Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann) 350 votes
3: Gen Fudo (Aquarion OVA) 75 votes

Next Round - Match day 3
The Skull Man (The Skull Man) vs Kusanagi Kenji (Kotetsushin Jeeg) vs Robert E O Speedwagon (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood)
Balsa (Seiri no Moribito) vs Apollo (Aquarion OVA) vs Itoshiki Nozomu (Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei)

Vote codes start generating at 00:00 GMT, happy voting

OverFunk

2008-01-06, 18:19

Yes, justice has prevailed again. Although now we have to worry about 350 votes to a freaking mole pig...

For today voting the despair teacher is a definite one. I also have my eyes on Kenji from Jeeg, but I'll investigate some more.

The Chaos

2008-01-06, 19:53

Results: Match day 2

Group A
1: Hosaka (Minami-ke) 553 votes

Yay Hosaka Is The Winer..:love:

Kaioshin Sama

2008-01-06, 20:06

Yay Hosaka Is The Winer..:love:

Um, who exactly is Hosaka? I can't really imagine a character from Minami-Ke being Gar compared to the butch warriors from Claymore. I'm starting to agree with Malintex here that the tournament may be headed for the popularity vote rather than Gar character vote. I don't think people are understanding the purpose of the tournament. I wish they would require you to leave a message why you think a character is Gar for a qualifier like Saimoe does for it's Moe votes. That way the tournament could have more of a degree of seriousness to it.

I really don't want this to turn into Saimoe Alternative here.:(

As for Kaiji, glad he got in. Personally I voted for Boota, but am more than satisfied with Kaiji. It's really time to weed out these joke characters ASAP though.

OverFunk

2008-01-06, 20:26

Um, who exactly is Hosaka? I can't really imagine a character from Minami-Ke being Gar compared to the butch warriors from Claymore. I'm starting to agree with Malintex here that the tournament may be headed for the popularity vote rather than Gar character vote. I don't think people are understanding the purpose of the tournament. I wish they would require you to leave a message why you think a character is Gar for a qualifier like Saimoe does for it's Moe votes. That way the tournament could have more of a degree of seriousness to it.

I really don't want this to turn into Saimoe Alternative here.:(

He's GAR because of his poetic way of existance. He's really madly in love, etc. I just watched Minami-ke Ep 8 for him, and was positively impressed. You don't need POWER and SWORDS to be GAR. Of course, he won't get past Dio anyway...

As for the Claymores, they are badass because they have all those powers anyway... And I really doubt people like Ichigo or Naruto should advance past round 1...

As for Kaiji, glad he got in. Personally I voted for Boota, but am more than satisfied with Kaiji. It's really time to weed out these joke characters ASAP though.

Dude, seriously :X

Boota at ep 1 != Boota Mole Pig/Shota.

Edit:
Was looking for this:
Hosaka is manly, which is the first prerequisite for being GAR. Theresa is too, but by default, she has to do this in spite of her gender. I'll spare you the details of the show you haven't seen and just say that his "gag" is just to be absurdly manly in a comedic and exaggerated way. No, he's not badass, and he isn't killing people, but that's not what GAR is about. Hosaka isn't a troll vote. Maybe he's a little more popular than he should be, but not a troll vote.

He's climbed a mountain in search of his love. He may look stupid and act in weird manners, but he's quixotic that way, hence QUIXOTIC GAR.

He doesn't have superpowers, but even a punk can't hit him with a punch, he strives for perfection for the woman he adores and is quite sincere.

Also, he climbed a mountain half-naked in winter wearing clogs and carrying ramen.

He may not be a killing machine, but he oozes manliness and GAR. QUIXOTIC GAR!

oh yeah, I also agree that women can be GAR, but powerlevels normally make GAR diluted. And Teresa is filled with powerlevels. I can't sense any "romance" in her the same way I can feel from Hosaka.

Men's romance, mind you, not romantic feelings.

cleo1

2008-01-06, 20:35

I really don't want this to turn into Saimoe Alternative here.:(
As for Kaiji, glad he got in. Personally I voted for Boota, but am more than satisfied with Kaiji. It's really time to weed out these joke characters ASAP though.

This shows how personal Gar is.
You voted Boota cause you think he/it's Gar, I think it's one of the joke characters.
I decided from the start not to vote for critters or girls, even though the Claymore girls are more Gar than many male characters in this competition and that's a pity. I really hope the coming year will give us more anime with good, strong male leads.
I don't want it turn into a Saimoe Alternative either, I really hope in the end a Gar male character will win and not a girl with manly treats. If however the final will be a choice between Dango and a Claymore girl, than ofcourse I'll vote the latter :p

KaneDragon

2008-01-06, 23:21

Could Makoto be the king of joke characters? That's some tough competition with characters like Dango (who could have foreseen that thing entering?), but Makoto definitely has the meme power. I'm stuck with pushing for L, then. I wonder how much Graha/m/ Acre will gather...

Alucard has style, so no problems there.

Sheba

2008-01-07, 02:57

Malintex_Terek

2008-01-07, 12:06

#2. It will soon degenerate into /a/ vs /m/, because while mecha anime chars are genuinely GAR, they may not impress the more conservative folks of /a/ who will be more impressed by a down to earth GAR like Guts', Kenshiro's or Raoh's. I remember going into a huge debate over some mecha fan in IRC to tell why Raoh is GAR, but he always resorted to the "but he doesn't fling galaxies or blow up space fleet" argument. Hence /m/'s GAR =/= /a/'s GAR.

Due the power shortages I don't have the topic at hand, but there was an early morning discussion of Gar one or two days ago and a lot of light was shed on the definition.

At base, Gar constitutes two primary ideas; that of "manliness" and "charisma". One can see this in the original phrase; "Gay for Archer". Something people valued (manliness) in Archer was so concentrated, it literally caused a change in those people (charisma). Similar to to moe in some respects.

The "manliness" is the point of contention; what constitutes manliness? As one Anonymous said, some people consider overwhelming power and a god-complex as components of manly. For others, it's a loud voice and hot-blood. Sticking to ideals for certain people, casting them aside for others. For some, as in the Makoto example, we have...pimp skills.

Point is, while SaiGar is a popularity contest at its core, we have to consider that it's not just voting for who one likes, it's for who is closer to one's ideal of manliness. The "popularity" issue comes into play now - how many people agree with what one thinks?

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Personally, I think hot-blood can only go so far. My idea of Gar revolves around ideals more than just personality and action, but personality is a big part of it. When watching GaoGaiGar, I didn't think Shishioh Guy was all that awesome, but I was really enchanted by Soldat J's resolve and his abilities.

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As for Boota, him getting 350 votes is less scary than Yoko's two hundred something, but I don't consider him a joke character. The only jokes in this tournament are the "moe moe" girls and the in-animate objects, the former of which are more insulting if anything.

Xellos-_^

2008-01-07, 12:26

Due the power shortages I don't have the topic at hand, but there was an early morning discussion of Gar one or two days ago and a lot of light was shed on the definition.

At base, Gar constitutes two primary ideas; that of "manliness" and "charisma". One can see this in the original phrase; "Gay for Archer". Something people valued (manliness) in Archer was so concentrated, it literally caused a change in those people (charisma). Similar to to moe in some respects.

The "manliness" is the point of contention; what constitutes manliness? As one Anonymous said, some people consider overwhelming power and a god-complex as components of manly. For others, it's a loud voice and hot-blood. Sticking to ideals for certain people, casting them aside for others. For some, as in the Makoto example, we have...pimp skills.

Point is, while SaiGar is a popularity contest at its core, we have to consider that it's not just voting for who one likes, it's for who is closer to one's ideal of manliness. The "popularity" issue comes into play now - how many people agree with what one thinks?

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Personally, I think hot-blood can only go so far. My idea of Gar revolves around ideals more than just personality and action, but personality is a big part of it. When watching GaoGaiGar, I didn't think Shishioh Guy was all that awesome, but I was really enchanted by Soldat J's resolve and his abilities.

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As for Boota, him getting 350 votes is less scary than Yoko's two hundred something, but I don't consider him a joke character. The only jokes in this tournament are the "moe moe" girls and the in-animate objects, the former of which are more insulting if anything.

How are they more insulting when they are more Gar then half the male contestants in SaiGar?

What really is insulting is that there is such a dearth of Gar Males in anime these days.

Your ire should be directed instead of at the girls but at Gainax for giving birth to Shinji IKari. ZThe decline fo the Gar could be directly trace back to the raise of Shinji Ikari and cemented by Keitaro of Love Hina.

yeye

2008-01-07, 14:37

How are they more insulting when they are more Gar then half the male contestants in SaiGar?

What really is insulting is that there is such a dearth of Gar Males in anime these days.

Your ire should be directed instead of at the girls but at Gainax for giving birth to Shinji IKari. ZThe decline fo the Gar could be directly trace back to the raise of Shinji Ikari and cemented by Keitaro of Love Hina.

Really, if we're gonna start an Evangelion discussion now, I'd say it's more like if it wasn't for Shinji being so emo, we wouldn't really have a SaiGar right now, cause all male anime leads would be troubled boys who always manage to sort out their problems right on time for an "epic" end to the anime in which they wipe out all their enemies/win the girl/etc. :p
If you saw Gurren Lagann, I'm sure you noticed how well the Kamina/Simon duo worked together, so in my opinion what you said doesn't make much sense.

The Chaos

2008-01-07, 15:25

For Round 5 I Didn't Vote For Any Character..
About 6 Round I Have Hard Choice Between Balsa And Itoshiki Nozomu
So I Choose Itoshiki Nozomu.. :)

a_c_e

2008-01-07, 18:06

Results: Match day 3

Group A
1: Robert E O Speedwagon (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood) 262 votes
2: The Skull Man (The Skull Man) 213 votes
3: Kusanagi Kenji (Koutetsushin Jeeg) 112 votes

1: Itoshiki Nozomu (Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei) 358 votes
2: Balsa (Seirei no Moribito) 245 votes
3: Apollo (Aquarion OVA) 99 votes

Next day - Match day 4
Ito Makoto (School Days) vs L (Death Note) vs Graham Acre (Gundam 00)
Alucard (Hellsing Ultimate) vs Clare (Claymore) vs Ellis (El Cazador de la Bruja)

Vote codes start generating at 00:00 GMT, happy voting

OverFunk

2008-01-07, 18:17

Can't really comment on the first group results....

I'm glad for the teacher =D. Shame that I heard rather good things about Apollo.

Today Graham "I have feelings for a robot" Acre and Alucard.

L will have support of the mainstream faction, Makoto from the troll faction and Graham from mecha fans mainly. Anyone could win today...

Alucard will win his group easily. Clare will get quite a few votes from some people. And Ellis is cute :3. And even if you vote Clare because of her powerlevels, Alucard beats her at that :/

The Chaos

2008-01-07, 19:11

Next day - Match day 4
L (Death Note)
Clare (Claymore)

Vote codes start generating at 00:00 GMT, happy voting
Gonna Vote For The Two Of Them... :)

Xellos-_^

2008-01-07, 19:31

ah dam, Balsa.

The White Devil won't go down that easily

Time to Rally the Troops.

White Devil FTW

Terrestrial Dream

2008-01-07, 19:36

ah dam, Balsa.

The White Devil won't go down that easily

Time to Rally the Troops.

White Devil FTW White Devil as Nanoha?
On the next battle I hope that Graham wins, since I know that there is no way in hell that L and this Matoko (even though I never watched School Day, I get the general idea of his character) is more gar then Graham Acre.

cleo1

2008-01-07, 19:59

I'm gonna go for L and Alucard

@ Terrestrial Dream: very nice sig, Kratos rocks!

Malintex_Terek

2008-01-07, 23:00

How are they more insulting when they are more Gar then half the male contestants in SaiGar?

After today's results, I sadly have to concede your point.

Frankly, I was totally surprised that the emo self-harm guy managed to win so decisively over Balsa (who I expected to get an easy win), and on the other hand we have Jojo fanboyism showing with an extremely weak character beating out Kusanagi Kenji and "The Skull Man". Now, I can understand "The Skull Man" not being Gar, but Kenji?

People, Kotetushin Jeeg is basically Gurren-Lagann minus FLCL plus Archer. It is an amazing show (like Baccano!, though I only know this by reputation) that got no attention last year in some sectors because GL was just so huge with people. :heh:

What really is insulting is that there is such a dearth of Gar Males in anime these days.

It's all subjective, really. But I have to agree since the 1980's over-mass characters there has been a real decrease in men with spines. I absolutely loath all the whiny Gundam bishies, and the indecisive, dense harem leads.

Things bode poorly; I hope Ninomiya Shungo doesn't win his round. :uhoh:

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On the next round, I am voting for Graham Acre and Clare. Despite Alucard being a man, he's not Gar at all, he's a Mary Sue, and this tournament needs less over-powered stereotypes like that. So, to make up for not voting Claymore before, I guess I'll give Clare the benefit of the vote.

On the left, I don't cosider L very manly; he's a genius, but he doesn't strike me as the leader of men type. Itou Makoto is an infamous horror, leaving me no choice but to vote for the Gundam fellow.

I don't really support or look fondly on "I'm not going to vote this round. :cool:" mentality, so I'll cast votes even for unknowns whenever possible.