Higurashi Kai Episode 20 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Skyfall

2007-11-19, 13:52

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Proto

2007-11-19, 17:10

The setup continues, and we see Rika appealing and gathering all the pieces she can. In order to escape from Takano's strong will she will need to obtain every resource she can, and in this episode we can see her finally obtaining

irie's, Tomitake's, Oishi's and Akasaka trust and loyalty to her cause

And perhaps, more subtly but equally important, her friends are with her now and they have been briefed of the situation, dividing the defense, setting up the plan, and even going as far as begginning to scheme a murder fake for Rika.

My only real doubt: Is Takano completely oblivious to this setup as she seems to be?

Other than that, Higurashi continues to be with Higurashi. I'm cringling in anticipation for the next episode

Rias

2007-11-19, 18:31

A really speedy epsiode, with quite a few things cut out and some events changed to cut corners. Overall it doesn't affect the story as much, but the famous scene with Tomitake and the rest(after Ooishi and Akasaka showed up) being cut is quite a disappointment.

Also, most of the stratergies are actually thought up by Akasaka...such as when they have Irie explain about the telephone ring message, it's actually all Akasaka...

harukamae

2007-11-19, 19:36

Wow, that's a disappointment that Akasaka's importance was decreased. :-(

At any rate, very interesting episode! Seeing Ooishi at the graveside was kinda touching. It was a stretch from "Do you know Oyashirosama?"-Ooishi. :-)

Shiosai

2007-11-19, 19:41

Maybe they wanted to make Irie seem less like a complete airhead? :heh:

Very good ep. I especially loved Keiichi's motivational speech. I wish I could understand the conversation between Oishi and the Sonozakis better, but this episode definitely seemed to weigh heavily on Oishi's reasons to want victory.

MarthX

2007-11-19, 19:53

Hopefully any corner cutting is so they have more time for the action scenes. This episode is pure build up.

Kang Seung Jae

2007-11-19, 21:16

Besides the overall corner cutting, and the "too" smooth situation, a good episode.

Sterling01

2007-11-19, 21:32

My only real doubt: Is Takano completely oblivious to this setup as she seems to be?

I don't think Takano would care if she died after killing Rika

cereal_killerxx

2007-11-19, 22:25

Awwww man. Now the wait begins for subs O_O

-MotokoAoyama-

2007-11-19, 22:57

Very nice episode. I'll really need to wait for the subs for this one (so much talking, meaning less understand in my part), but I think the pace was done rather well despite all that talk. The setup is pretty much complete. I guess we'll probably be seeing the festival in the next episode, so I really can't wait to see how the setsup will be executed

Shadow Miko

2007-11-20, 00:04

I absolutely loved the little plan devised by Keiichi and Satoko. It made me laugh.

MarthX

2007-11-20, 02:23

Preview for 21 is up.

http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php

Kang Seung Jae

2007-11-20, 03:12

Preview for 21 is up.

http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php

Let's see.... That angry Miyo at the end is the important part, it seems.

-MotokoAoyama-

2007-11-20, 03:17

thanks for the preview link!
once again, has no idea what they are talking about, but thinks it sounds interesting enough...i mean, the "ah hah..." sounds that they were making sounded extremely hilarious. Of course, the reverting back to dark Rika at the end was priceless too.
I think the angry Takano is certainly a hint :)

kingsky123

2007-11-20, 04:41

i have this eerie lurking feeling that they will screw up the epic fighting scenes.

You know, ‘tap tap, step step.’

and yes.. to me they screwed up the end of minagoroshi... like it could gone better..

- ah one more thing , are their senses still connected? (rika and hanyuu ) -

Rias

2007-11-20, 18:15

I wonder if they will reach Tomitake's part in next epsiode...if they do I sure hope that famous scene will be kept intact

MezzoDragon

2007-11-20, 20:17

Hanyuu is so cute in her pink overalls. It is a shame they do not match her horns.

Sterling01

2007-11-21, 00:05

Pissed Takano is Pissed

Jimmy C

2007-11-21, 04:05

I detect a possible flaw in Satoko and Keiichi plans.

They pretend Rika's dead for 48 hours. Even assuming Miyo buys it for 48 hours, how long can they keep it up? Long enough to expose Miyo?

Klashikari

2007-11-21, 07:34

rather late *sigh*
Episode 20: screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-20-matsuribayashi-hen-7-trap/)
not much time for a bullet summary.

quite fast episode, but they were able to squeeze the most important points.

melange

2007-11-21, 18:19

Man, I teared up when Rika cried and hugged Akasaka.

June 1983

2007-11-21, 20:06

vasili10

2007-11-21, 20:54

I hope we get the subs soon!

I was googling "Hauu subs" to see if the torrent was up yet and found a website with reviews of different subbers. One of the negative reviews for Hauu was just hilarious so I thought I'd share it:

Bad encoding, lyrics blink or flash after introduction subbed credits. Excess, very unnecessary cuss words. Cuss words are not part of the anime, aired on TV, or part of the language. Rushed bad-quality subbing.

O RLY? (Besides the fact that I think Hauu's subs are excellent, especially considering how quickly they do them, WTH? People don't swear in anime? People don't swear, if I am interpreting this correctly, in Japanese?

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULZ

Not to single out Hauu, but I've noticed ever since I started watching subbed anime 10+ years ago, that groups (fansubbers and professionals) will use words that would otherwise trigger the censor tone if they were to be spoken in English. And oftentimes, they can choose other words to sound just as meaningful, but they don't. There is swearing in anime, but not as much as foreigners may think, and I believe only what we would view as the worst of it is caught by Japan's censor tone.

GyroidFanatic

2007-11-21, 21:36

O RLY? (Besides the fact that I think Hauu's subs are excellent, especially considering how quickly they do them, WTH? People don't swear in anime? People don't swear, if I am interpreting this correctly, in Japanese?

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULZ

Japanese doesn't really have anything worse than "bastard"-level

cereal_killerxx

2007-11-21, 22:04

Japanese doesn't really have anything worse than "bastard"-level
True, but japanese insult other people by being too polite or not polite enough. In their cultural, that can be considered just as bad as saying some of the swear words that we use here. Plus, words like "baka" can be interpreted many different ways depending on the usage in the sentence and tone used.

Kryptik

2007-11-22, 22:55

I could swear 'kuso' has been used a bit, which is the equivalent of "s***", isn't it?

vasili10

2007-11-23, 01:20

I could swear 'kuso' has been used a bit, which is the equivalent of "s***", isn't it?

That or "crap", because literally it means "dung" or "feces", so yeah.

Neko Haruko

2007-11-23, 11:19

Isn't this a bit of topic?

cereal_killerxx

2007-11-23, 13:23

Isn't this a bit of topic?
Well, there's not much else to talk about until the subs come out for the episode.

MarthX

2007-11-23, 17:46

Subs

http://rapidshare.com/files/71804129/higurashi.no.naku.koro.ni.kai.20.ass.html

Eryops

2007-11-23, 18:27

I detect a possible flaw in Satoko and Keiichi plans.

They pretend Rika's dead for 48 hours. Even assuming Miyo buys it for 48 hours, how long can they keep it up? Long enough to expose Miyo?
Their plan is to pretend that Rika has already been dead for more than 48 hours, not that she had just died. After all, the latter would enable Takano to initiate the great Hinamizawa disaster according to her plan. Considering the fact that it never took place in Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen (where Rika was killed and that fact wasn't discovered until more than 48 hours had already passed since her death), we can conclude that Takano does indeed fail to receive authorization to gas Hinamizawa if she misses that 48 hour window.

Neaco

2007-11-23, 18:45

Subs

http://rapidshare.com/files/71804129/higurashi.no.naku.koro.ni.kai.20.ass.html

thanks for the sub link Marthx :)

Shiroth

2007-11-23, 19:15

Man, I teared up when Rika cried and hugged Akasaka.
Same here. Even if i knew it was coming thanks to the preview last week, that was one beautiful scene. I can't wait for the two Kai soundtracks to go on sale, such beautiful music.

Speaking of tearing up, the scene in the graveyard also had me like that. Not only from hearing such a caring Oishi, but knowing that the Sonozaki's have been doing that each year at the old man's grave, and us the viewers knowing they were the main suspect in the murder case --- brilliant, such a powerful scene.

Anyway, i do love where this is all going, though it's hard to believe that everything is going to go according to plan, especially with four episodes left in the series. Yet again i can't wait for the next episode.

Now to watch the preview..

FlareKnight

2007-11-24, 01:51

Man this was a nice episode. Everything is coming together and the plans are being formed. An excellent job for Rika to get so many pieces for this final time. Lot easier for her to get people like Tomitake and Ire on side if she knows who is behind all of this.

Even Oishi is going to give everything he can. Everyone though trying to help protect his pension a lot, but he's not the type to let things sit. Besides worst case and he loses it Mion will cover the financial loss :heh:. But a good time for him since he was able to let go of the Sonozaki family and moving towards the truth.

Was a beautiful moment when Rika rushed to hug Akasaka. Guy always brings such a sense of hope for her and this time it's to fight for her sake. Even if they didn't give him credit for somethings like the phone ringing plan you can just tell his importance. Plus the guy just gives a reliable feeling to me.

Nice work by Keiichi to get everyone charged up. Certainly hearing that kind of thing is quite the shock and with how things have gone in the past was a little worried how they might handle it. But soon enough they were all ready. Plus with Satoko getting serious about her traps the enemy will be in for it :). Have to admit though when they talked about Rika dying as being the solution I was like :confused:. Thankfully they cleared up what the real plan was.

Things right now just get you hyped up for the final battle. Can still be worried since Takano's will is strong and the danger is real. But all they can do here is put their forces together and hope it equals a win.

MarthX

2007-11-24, 02:04

lol. I just noticed Hauu forgot to change the episode title from plot to trap.

SamKajam

2007-11-24, 02:05

wait... i'm a little confused. So they pretend Rika's been dead for more than 48 hours... thus "proving" Takano wrong. So what then? Takano will suddenly reveal her wipe out plan out of frustration? "...and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids"

Cause if she doesn't reveal her plan... then ok, Rika "Dies", no one goes crazy, Takano is "proven" wrong. But then Rika's revealed to be alive all along, thus Takano's theories are no longer proven wrong; "Rika never really died, and so she was still giving phormones (or what not) out, so that's why no one went crazy".

So then... what's the point of this 48 hour plan? Am I missing something?

k//eternal

2007-11-24, 02:35

I think they're trying to force her to slip up, giving them the evidence they need to stop her.

Sterling01

2007-11-24, 02:37

Mizuno

2007-11-24, 03:23

Hauu's subs this time is a bit off in terms of quality compared to their usual standards. Some errors were missed during editing and QC but nothing glaring though.

SamKajam

2007-11-24, 03:49

I think they're trying to force her to slip up, giving them the evidence they need to stop her.

That's what I was thinking... but it's a little too much to hope that she'll accidentally reveal something because of her plans being ruined. I mean, look at the arcs where the plan isn't set off, Takano doesn't go like "Sh**! Rika's dead, and now my killing scheme is ruined! Whoops...". Why would she slip up this time?

For Takano's plan to be set into motion she need's Rika's body as evidence

Not sure I understand... could you elaborate on what you mean? As in Takano's plan can't start without Rika's body? Ok, but Rika can't hide forever, and when she stops hiding, Takano can kill her. I just don't get the full logic behind this 48 hours plan of theirs.

Sterling01

2007-11-24, 04:34

She needs to set the plan off before the 48 hours is up. They're going to say Rika has been dead for more then 48 hours

Eryops

2007-11-24, 04:37

That's what I was thinking... but it's a little too much to hope that she'll accidentally reveal something because of her plans being ruined. I mean, look at the arcs where the plan isn't set off, Takano doesn't go like "Sh**! Rika's dead, and now my killing scheme is ruined! Whoops...". Why would she slip up this time?
If Takano can't implement her plan, then she won't have a reason to murder Tomitake during Watanagashi. This buys him more time to uncover information of her wrongdoing.

dspr8_rugged

2007-11-24, 04:41

Splendid episode. It's nice to see how this episode set-ups the upcoming battle against Miyo and her crew.

And now, the next episode title makes sense to me. Let's see if Miyo has a way to outwit this 48-hour-Rika-fake-death plan. It's funny that they're doing the same thing Miyo does every year. :heh:

Solafighter

2007-11-24, 09:14

Greate episode. Can´t wait for monday. :D

Kristen

2007-11-24, 09:24

This is certainly a very interesting episode. I felt like it was pure build up for the upcoming chapters. I'm expecting next week to be the breaking point of the build up, at least the start of it.

I'm only going to give this episode a 7. It just seemed to be missing something this week.

FlareKnight

2007-11-24, 11:52

If Takano can't implement her plan, then she won't have a reason to murder Tomitake during Watanagashi. This buys him more time to uncover information of her wrongdoing.
THis makes sense as much as anything concerning the plan. Since Tomitake is doing some hunting on what Takano is up to this might help smoke her out. NOt that she'll jump out into the open and show off her scheme but she may react in a way that will display her true colours to anyone paying close enough attention.

Won't win the day doing this but it could be of help. Rika will have to show up sooner or later. At any rate nice to see Oryou's change showing up more and more. This time we don't need Satoko's uncle coming back to get some things changing in that regard.

Klashikari

2007-11-24, 11:58

Exactly: currently, whatever the fact the "48 hours" theory is correct or wrong is completely irrelevant.
They actually need to exposer Takano, which will permit Rika, Irie and Tomitake to call out the Banken.
This is the complete reverse method that Takano is using, as it doesn't really matter if it is true, since she has the means to "prove it true".

Rika and Hanyuu are clueless and don't know it is erroneous. They have to brace themselves so they will stop the incoming threat, which will permit them to live on, and being cured with irie, as the treatement is advancing quite a lot.

cereal_killerxx

2007-11-24, 14:30

Wow, I just love the way this series is progressing! It has this super epic feel to it which only seems to grow with every new episode. Some how I believe that the "miracle" is gonna come into play in the last few episodes and/or that someone is gonna show up at the last possible second and save the day.

SnEptUne

2007-11-24, 15:24

This episode doesn't seem as good as the last one for some reasons. Firstly, even though Rika were being monitored, it doesn't feel like she is in any kind of danger. Secondly, they are taking too much risks.

For example, when they asked Oishi to invite his peers, who could be on Takano's side and exposed their plans. Rika's house could bugged and Akasakasa' plan would then be exposed. Takano would get suspicious when she find out Tommy is trying to gather information about her. Who knows who else she bought out? She could have more influences than it seems.

Klashikari

2007-11-24, 15:37

This episode doesn't seem as good as the last one for some reasons. Firstly, even though Rika were being monitored, it doesn't feel like she is in any kind of danger. Secondly, they are taking too much risks.
You are quite contradicting yourself: they are taking too much risks but Rika isn't in danger?

Well, in such case, it is indeed not Rika, but rather the whole group, who can suffer from Takano's retribution should they fail.

For example, when they asked Oishi to invite his peers, who could be on Takano's side and exposed their plans. Rika's house could bugged and Akasakasa' plan would then be exposed. Takano would get suspicious when she find out Tommy is trying to gather information about her. Who knows who else she bought out? She could have more influences than it seems.

1) Ooishi is in the police for several decades. He knows perfectly well that there might be some infiltrated agents in the police of Okinomiya, as stated by irie and tomitake. However, that's the very reason how he could trust Kuma and the coroner, as the former is a youngster who cared a lot, while the coroner is a very close buddy as well.
He could only trust these 2 guys, which is a bit low, but realist.

2) Actually, they didn't show that Akasaka was supposed to check the house first. IIRC, he didn't found anything inside, but the surroundings weren't innocent.

3) not possible, because Tomitake doesn't gather the information himself. He is doing this with an intermediate manner.

Sterling01

2007-11-24, 16:23

Though Takano could be watching Tommy

@Klashikari: Your avatar is from Little Busters right or is it from Kanon?

Klashikari

2007-11-24, 16:30

Though Takano could be watching Tommy
Hard to tell. I think Takano might be a bit conceit, as she perfectly knows that he is attracted by her, and he has faith on the Yamainu.

@Klashikari: Your avatar is from Little Busters right or is it from Kanon?
Little Busters!, this is Kurugaya Yuiko.

Davidj

2007-11-24, 16:56

This episode doesn't seem as good as the last one for some reasons. Firstly, even though Rika were being monitored, it doesn't feel like she is in any kind of danger. .

That's because Rika isn't in any immediate danger. I suppose they could have shown Yamainu lurking in the bushes to the tune of ominous music but the reality is, she isn't in danger until Watanagashi. Takano isn't suspicious yet. Her megalomania makes her slow to suspect that something isn't going her way.

FlareKnight

2007-11-24, 20:24

Yeah Takano wouldn’t be doubting Tomitake unless he has shown something. As the time we finally saw him die she knows he cares about her and doubts he would do anything suspicious. He’s hiding out anyways and conducting it through a friend. Though I also had my concerns that Takano’s influence is everywhere. The kind of thing that happens when you’ve watched nice people get slaughtered so many times.

Also think Oishi knows who he can trust. Besides when Akasaka showed up a lot of their hands were revealed anyways. If those two are in on it they are probably in trouble anyways so might as well go for it. He certainly isn’t broadcasting this to the whole department just two people he truly trusts. Klashikari covered the specifics on that.

No matter how things seems to be going I’m going to stay on edge. Too many bad things have happened to relax here. Only at the very end if it all works out will I be relieved.

MarthX

2007-11-24, 23:20

ferthepoet

2007-11-25, 03:06

Am I the only one bothered that Shion seems to be playing no part after they stressed how important it was to have all seven of the friends working togueter

Mr Fist

2007-11-25, 05:17

Ever since Episode 14 I couldn't in good conscious give an episode a ten, usually it's an eight or nine. Although I assume that since it's been the beginning and middle of Matsuribayashi I have hopes that the climax of the show will be a big one. So far Episode 13 for me is the best so far. I just hope the future episodes will be superb.

Mr Fist

2007-11-25, 05:18

Am I the only one bothered that Shion seems to be playing no part after they stressed how important it was to have all seven of the friends working togueter

I know, when they were talking together I was asking "Where's Shion? Shouldn't she have a part in this?"

Out of curiosity, was she in part of the conversation in the visual novel?

kingsky123

2007-11-25, 08:12

i cant wait for when all of the people in hinamizawa starts whooping ass

Miko Miko

2007-11-25, 13:24

Shion should be in on this too.. :(

Good episode, though it didn't have a Higurashi feel to it for some reason.
I am sad the series is coming to its end. :upset:

Neaco

2007-11-25, 15:20

Shion should be in on this too.. :(

Good episode, though it didn't have a Higurashi feel to it for some reason.
I am sad the series is coming to its end. :upset:

No stop reminding me! There's plenty of eps left :)

Well but again I guess it has to end of else Rika and friends will continue to suffer. Things looks like they're about in place.

Sterling01

2007-11-25, 15:40

Only four more episodes

Pink_Freud

2007-11-25, 20:45

Pretty good episode, probably one of the best of season two that I've seen so far. I guess the stage is set for the four episode run to the end. Its kind of sad to see the end of a great series approaching so fast.

Likes
- Keichii and Satoko laughing before the break
- Mion laughing after the break
- Flashbacks of murder scenes from previous episodes
- The scheme falling into place.

Dislikes
Nothin', a great episode.

FlareKnight

2007-11-25, 20:58

If it means all the characters can finally live their lives in peace I can accept the show being over. While it'd be sad to see it end after all we've gone through. Be nice if they could add some extras down the road for just the normal life after it's all said and done. Assuming everything works out since you have to feel a bit worried. This is Higurashi after all.

Do feel like Shion should have more of a role to play. Though from the times we've seen she is rarely there with them so maybe that's just how it is. Do think she has to play a bigger role down the road. Just have to wait and see on that one.

Sterling01

2007-11-25, 21:07

Shion does have a big role in the last arc but that doesn't mean she will get a lot of screen time.

iczelion74

2007-11-25, 23:46

So in the final reset how far back did Hanyuu take her and Rika? It seems they went back quite aways, so did they live through several years in the final reset leading up to the current point?

MidoriHiME

2007-11-25, 23:51

I think this was the best episode so far...it was nice to see things fall into place. I'm really looking forward to the next ep!

Rias

2007-11-26, 00:01

So in the final reset how far back did Hanyuu take her and Rika? It seems they went back quite aways, so did they live through several years in the final reset leading up to the current point?

It's June 13 from the game...just a day short of a week from the festival.

yangxu

2007-11-26, 02:38

Is the 1st part in the 1st episode related to this arc's ending in anyway?
I mean Rena survived and continued living till her adulthood, while everyone else's dead... which ending is that?

k//eternal

2007-11-26, 03:05

I assumed it followed Tsumihoroboshi, but I could be wrong.

Eryops

2007-11-26, 03:57

I assumed it followed Tsumihoroboshi, but I could be wrong.
Indeed. That was the epilogue of Tsumihoroboshi; the only real difference in the game compared to the anime was that Oishi was at a hospital, so Akasaka and his friend had to visit Hinamizawa without him.

theacefrehley

2007-11-26, 07:47

Indeed. That was the epilogue of Tsumihoroboshi; the only real difference in the game compared to the anime was that Oishi was at a hospital, so Akasaka and his friend had to visit Hinamizawa without him.
And there was no Adult Rena in the game

Davidj

2007-11-26, 17:51

It's June 13 from the game...just a day short of a week from the festival.

Yes but in the anime it seems obvious that this last reset goes back much farther.

Rias

2007-11-26, 18:32

Yes but in the anime it seems obvious that this last reset goes back much farther.

First of all, Hanyuu's power is diminishing, so the "reset" should be less than Minagoroshi-hen's 2 weeks. Kakera Musubi isn't exclusive to Matsuribayashi-hen, espically taking into account of Rika's loss of memories of Minagoroshi-hen,

Davidj

2007-11-26, 20:20

First of all, Hanyuu's power is diminishing, so the "reset" should be less than Minagoroshi-hen's 2 weeks.

Ah, but Hanyuu is no longer conserving her power. She spent it all on this go-around, which is why it's the last one. And possibly she got more power from Rika and Hanyuu both abandoning their despair.

SnEptUne

2007-11-26, 21:21

I don't think Takano expects much opposition. Very few people know what her objective is. Seems she only focuses on Rika and eliminates the people she knows could present a problem. (Tomitake and Irie) She doesn't expect everyone to be plotting against her.

Wouldn't she be in alert because Hanyuu did go demon on her when she first visited the town, and now the demon became a girl!

Yes but in the anime it seems obvious that this last reset goes back much farther.

Maybe it is because the story was portraited from before they were "transported". Rika didn't remember anything afterall, and Hanyuu only "remember" after seeing Takano.

Arcwave

2007-11-26, 21:30

I sure hope that blond bitch Takano gets what she deserves! That scene in the last part of Ep. 13 pissed me off when she started executing all the main characters -Gahh! All in all, I really liked this episode. It actually made me feel a little better. :)

/j

BakaOnna

2007-11-26, 22:33

For a development episode, it got be really pumped for the next one. I really hope DEEN makes the last few episodes the best they can be. :)

It nice to see something good happening on Rika's side for a chance.

Rias

2007-11-26, 23:47

Ah, but Hanyuu is no longer conserving her power. She spent it all on this go-around, which is why it's the last one. And possibly she got more power from Rika and Hanyuu both abandoning their despair.

It's true that Hanyuu is giving her all at this time, but there isn't anything that suggests the they went back "much further" than it was shown, which is Hanyuu's transfer into the school. Also, there were no need to go back anymore than they have to, if you consider what the true nature of "reseting" is about.

And if Hanyuu actually does get a boost from Rika + Hanyuu abandoing their despair, you would think both of them would be more positive everytime.

MarthX

2007-11-27, 03:32

Wouldn't she be in alert because Hanyuu did go demon on her when she first visited the town, and now the demon became a girl!

That was several years ago. (earlier than 1978) It's unlikely that she remembers.

Davidj

2007-11-27, 20:51

It's true that Hanyuu is giving her all at this time, but there isn't anything that suggests the they went back "much further" than it was shown, which is Hanyuu's transfer into the school. .

What about Hanyuu's rejection of Takano's offering and her physical manifestation to Keiichi's father? To me that suggests that Hanyuu at the least went back farther because she's abandoned her passive bystander role and knows that Takano is the bad guy, although she forgets when she takes physical form.

Davidj

2007-11-27, 20:56

Wouldn't she be in alert because Hanyuu did go demon on her when she first visited the town, and now the demon became a girl!

I don't think Takano saw what the presence she was communicating with actually looked like. Hanyuu has communicated with people before after all, and yet nobody had an accurate picture of what she looked like or even her sex in physical form.

Rias

2007-11-28, 02:23

What about Hanyuu's rejection of Takano's offering and her physical manifestation to Keiichi's father? To me that suggests that Hanyuu at the least went back farther because she's abandoned her passive bystander role and knows that Takano is the bad guy, although she forgets when she takes physical form.

Keiichi's father scene isn't exclusive to Matsuribayashi-hen. Reason being Rika's loss of memory of Minagoroshi-hen, so we can't say Rika went back to make sure Keiichi come back for Matsuribayashi-hen. Rather, it's Hanyuu made sure that she played with Rika enough everytime that Keiichi will show up more.

Takano's offering in Matsuribayashi-hen is definitely after Minagoroshi-hen, but "Rika" wasn't shown to be there. This makes more sense if you consider the true nature of the Hanyuu's "reseting" power (mentioned in Saikoroshi-hen).

Besides, if Hanyuu really made "Rika" go back when Takano first showed up, you would think they would do something about her instead of waiting for all the events to happen again and wait until a week before the festival to set getting help.

Kanzaki Urumi

2007-11-28, 13:27

felt pretty good after watching this ep

Klashikari

2007-11-29, 15:36

geh, short and not really useful but heh...
Episode 20: Analysis (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-20-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)

for some further thoughts, the episode was indeed very nice, though the tension wasn't at the climax with everything.
That said, it was good to see how they covered Ooishi in that episode, especially how it is a bit ambiguous with Akane. (where is kasai? maa... i guess he would be a better match with akasaka :heh:)

Davidj

2007-11-29, 17:17

Keiichi's father scene isn't exclusive to Matsuribayashi-hen. Reason being Rika's loss of memory of Minagoroshi-hen, so we can't say Rika went back to make sure Keiichi come back for Matsuribayashi-hen. Rather, it's Hanyuu made sure that she played with Rika enough everytime that Keiichi will show up more.
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Rika's statement at the end of the episode suggests otherwise. She didn't just want him because life's more fun with the the butt-monkey around.

Seiryuu

2007-12-01, 13:45

Just thought I'd say something. With all the discussion, there's not much to say, but there's one spot that struck me. It may not mean anything in Japan, but when Hanyuu called Rena a "blue flame"... I don't know if it's only in America, but over here the term is sometimes used to describe a particularly odd, and colorful, way some guys find to deal with boredom.Just for anyone who isn't familiar with it, basically it's the entertainment guys get from application of the knowledge that the body is able to produce gases that will ignite instantly given a close enough heat source. Obviously this is completely irrelevant and coincidental, but when I heard blue flame I couldn't avoid the thought.