Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[minhtam1638]

Wait, 8 out and 7 still not subbed? What a surprise!

[teachopvutru]

Wait, 8 out and 7 still not subbed? What a surprise!

Yea, usually I don't see SS-Eclipse delay their release like that unless it's their side projects. What's more is even the other joint group, Ayako-YM delays their release. It could be a coincidence but I wonder if it has anything to do about about that... (nah, I'll stop here, don't wanna fire up another off-topic discussion)

[serenade_beta]

Expectations:

Something worth talking about, perhaps... -_-

And with this episode, marks 8 episodes... -_-

It looks like this episode could be interesting, at least.

[UltimaWolf]

Expectations:

Something worth talking about, perhaps... -_-

And with this episode, marks 8 episodes... -_-

It looks like this episode could be interesting, at least.

Lets hope for the best! :D

[GoldAlchemist]

Hopefully. We've been getting too much slice-of-life so far in this series, which i totally didn't anticipate at first. Not that it's bad or anything, but come on, this is Shana, not ARIA. :(

[rimaa]

i always thought the delays were due to the fact that its thanksgiving week, happy thanksgiving everyone!

[ashlay]

alright, episodes has aired.

starts right off with a Silver flashback again. glad to see they threw in the creepiness more (ugh head impalement and explosion). Also a nice reminder for why Margery is always drinking so much.

I think people who have been asking for fights and Guze plot development are going to be largely pleased with this episode. Pheles name finally gets dropped, and Wilhelmina leaves. (afraid we're never going to get to see Wilhelmina sad and drunk. what a shame.) And Margery's flashback opens with a good 2+ minute fight sequence. It's also nice to see more Sydonay vs. Margery, and to get a better sense of the Flame Haze community (it might only be 2 more appearing, but again, nice to see there's more than 4 of them :rolleyes:)


anyway, next week should wrap up this flashback story, and then Sato will probably stop asking to be a flame haze.

[piku]

nice script but quite debatable drawing in this episode...

so exciting to see battle scenes again. and so exciting for margery's nude body :p

and I hope wilhelmina will not appear on TV again this trip... where will she go? seems no record about this situation in the original novel...

[Devard]

This episode was really good. I actually went in thinking that the story would be wrapped up in one episode so it really seemed like they were dragging things on and on for no good reason...but I guess I was wrong. ;) I rather liked the music they were playing at the end.

nice script but quite debatable drawing in this episode...
I didn't see any problems personally, but to each his own. :)

[Shiroth]

As expected, episode 08 delivered, being one of the best Shakugan no Shana episodes (not counting the movie) that i've seen upto now. Just from the opening scene alone you can tell they've been keeping back on the animation for second season until now --- the whole episode is one beautiful watch.

& what makes this even better, Margery's backstory continues next week. <3

[Kyuusaisha]

I think the reason the subs haven't been released is because they got fed up with the shit that was the previous episodes, anyway I watched this one and it seems like it's alot better than the earlier ones.

Spending episodes 3-7 just about Shana and Yoshida being jealous is ridiculous. I think it's possible they used that because of wanting to milk more money out of the series as it's possible now to make this one end on a cliffhanger without slowing things down too much.

[Aquifina]

alright, episodes has aired.

starts right off with a Silver flashback again. glad to see they threw in the creepiness more (ugh head impalement and explosion). Also a nice reminder for why Margery is always drinking so much.

I think people who have been asking for fights and Guze plot development are going to be largely pleased with this episode. Pheles name finally gets dropped, and Wilhelmina leaves. (afraid we're never going to get to see Wilhelmina sad and drunk. what a shame.) And Margery's flashback opens with a good 2+ minute fight sequence. It's also nice to see more Sydonay vs. Margery, and to get a better sense of the Flame Haze community (it might only be 2 more appearing, but again, nice to see there's more than 4 of them :rolleyes:)


anyway, next week should wrap up this flashback story, and then Sato will probably stop asking to be a flame haze.

What a relief... This arc is maybe two or three eps overdue. It gives me something to look forward to.

[akitakumi]

omg episode 8 already out!! but episode 7 still hasnt sub yet??

[teachopvutru]

I think the reason the subs haven't been released is because they got fed up with the shit that was the previous episodes.

That's a possibility although I quite doubt it :rolleyes:


Spending episodes 3-7 just about Shana and Yoshida being jealous is ridiculous.

I thought their jealously end at episode 6 and it started at episode 4...


Anyway, look like this episode will be a good one but, still waiting for episode 7 to be subbed...

[Tokkan]

I thought their jealously end at episode 6 and it started at episode 4...

No, you're right, there was no focus on Yoshida and Shana in episode 7. It was just a funny episode.

[serenade_beta]

Because of what was before this episode, this episode ended up pretty good.

Overall, my interest in Margery is near 0%, so it wasn't the greatest episode.
Short, but good action in this episode.

Anna Berg's character design is just... weird...

Preview: Continuation; probably going to be good, hopefully

[Xellos-_^]

+5 for non slice of life/harem ep
+2 for Magery fanservice :D
+1 for a creepy flashback of the Silver Guze

[Kyuusaisha]

That's a possibility although I quite doubt it :rolleyes:



I thought their jealously end at episode 6 and it started at episode 4...


Anyway, look like this episode will be a good one but, still waiting for episode 7 to be subbed...

True it ended at 6 and started at 4 but they could've finished it at 5 aswell, and they didn't so I'm just so happy that we actually got a non-shitty episode for once.

[Kinny Riddle]

Compared to the last few weeks, this episode isn't too bad, considering it's actually straight from one of the side stories from "Volume S" of the novel, which contains most of the side stories written by series author Takahashi Yashiro himself.

Margery's past is definitely interesting, though we only get a glimpse of her ordeal with "Silver", which is only shown briefly in the beginning.

She probably planned on taking her "revenge" on a group of humans (whatever grievance they have caused her. But "Silver" got them before she could. Technically this means "Silver" has avenged Margery's grievance on her behalf, but Margery is less than pleased to see her pleasure of exacting revenge being brutally taken away from her, hence her continuation of her grudge, this time on "Silver" himself.

Sydonay at this time is still slacking off from his Bal Masque duties, instead working part time as a bodyguard-for-hire for Denizens of different fetishes. It wasn't until he stuck his hand inside Yuji (and the Sydonay x Yuji yaoi joke this inspired in the Shana-tan special) and discovered the Reiji Maigo that he returned to his original post as the "General" of Bal Basque.


Speaking of yaoi and "gayness" (no offense intended to anyone), I find it very amusing after finding out that Hino Satoshi (Yuji) is now the voice of the feminine and "queer" ninja Sai in that ever popular Shounen cash-cow series Naruto, saying stuff like "Does Naruto have a dick?"

Hino's no stranger when it comes to flirtatious characters, as seen in his role as Saito in ZnT, but being flirtatious while keeping a "wimpy" and feminine, almost "Yuji-like" demeanor is another level for Hino.

That Yuri boy (No! I don't mean he's a "yuri" fanboy, I mean "Yuri" as in his Slavic-sounding name. lol ) who became Flame Haze definitely throws my theory that Crimson Lords only make contracts with people with a large PoE amount out of the window. Oh well, maybe Takahashi has created a plothole for himself.

Though it's still consistent with Crimson Lords seeking out humans who have a grudge with Denizens, this leads to undesirable side-effects like the Flame Haze's lingering human emotions, as seen with Yuri's mood. This is the main reason why Alastor and Wilhelmina raised Shana without her having any grudge against anything.

Finally, an important name being uttered by Wilhelmina - Pheles - causing Wilhelmina to go on another journey.

[Tokkan]

Yuri is not an anime original character, he and this entire 2-episode arc are from Shakugan no Shana S.

[Kinny Riddle]

Yuri is not an anime original character, he and this entire 2-episode arc are from Shakugan no Shana S.
Thanks for the correction. I'll have to edit my post accordingly.

[X10A_Freedom]

This is definately 2 episodes overdue, and it's still kind of drag to me because it's a flashback rather than any development of "current" events.

And yes, this comes from a person who likes ARIA.

[minhtam1638]

That Yuri boy (No! I don't mean he's a "yuri" fanboy, I mean "Yuri" as in his Slavic-sounding name. lol ) who became Flame Haze definitely throws my theory that Crimson Lords only make contracts with people with a large PoE amount out of the window. Oh well, maybe Takahashi has created a plothole for himself.

Though it's still consistent with Crimson Lords seeking out humans who have a grudge with Denizens, this leads to undesirable side-effects like the Flame Haze's lingering human emotions, as seen with Yuri's mood. This is the main reason why Alastor and Wilhelmina raised Shana without her having any grudge against anything.

Personally, I don't see how Takahashi created a plot hole for himself. Technically, Crimson Lords can make contracts with anybody. The only reason why Alastor picked Shana is because of his experiences with the deaths of many Flame Hazes before Shana.


Speaking of yaoi and "gayness" (no offense intended to anyone), I find it very amusing after finding out that Hino Satoshi (Yuji) is now the voice of the feminine and "queer" ninja Sai in that ever popular Shounen cash-cow series Naruto, saying stuff like "Does Naruto have a dick?"

Hino's no stranger when it comes to flirtatious characters, as seen in his role as Saito in ZnT, but being flirtatious while keeping a "wimpy" and feminine, almost "Yuji-like" demeanor is another level for Hino.

I was just watching Naruto today, and I keep imagining Yuji being hated by the likes of Naruto and Sakura. Personally, that doesn't make any sense, really...

Maybe I'm better off imagining Saito being hated.

[Deathkillz]

this wasnt a bad ep at all :)

at last a decent action scene and + margery to boot ^^

im kinda annoyed to see that the flashback will span on for another ep but at least this is way better than yiuji's harem :rolleyes:

so...why did sydonay let her go? dam happy he did though cause we got to see her purificating ^^

[serenade_beta]

Milestone of Sadness

In New York, where the scent of the previous great battle still lingered, Margery was at the Empire State Building.
Her opponent was the "Sentetsu no Hora (Cave of Placed Penetration?) Anna Berg.
But the flame bullets she shoots from the burning blue toga she wears does not seem to hit Anna Berg at all.
At that moment, hooked claws rip apart the blue toga.
It was Sydonay's sneak attack.
In this absolute crisis, the amateur flame haze, Chisei no Hikite (Pulling Hand of Mountain Forces?), Yuri comes running in......

Margery was talking about her past.
But in the middle, she stops and throws a question at Satou and Tanaka.
"If you guys were Flames Hazes instead..."
The intention of this non sensible question is...

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/09_01.jpg - I bet he dies...

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/09_02.jpg - Dai Pinch!!

Are they going to finish the flashback? :confused:

...

[ashlay]

Milestone of Sadness

In New York, where the scent of the previous great battle still lingered, Margery was at the Empire State Building.
Her opponent was the "Sentetsu no Hora (Cave of Placed Penetration?) Anna Berg.
But the flame bullets she shoots from the burning blue toga she wears does not seem to hit Anna Berg at all.
At that moment, hooked claws rip apart the blue toga.
It was Sydonay's sneak attack.
In this absolute crisis, the amateur flame haze, Chisei no Hikite (Pulling Hand of Mountain Forces?), Yuri comes running in......

Margery was talking about her past.
But in the middle, she stops and throws a question at Satou and Tanaka.
"If you guys were Flames Hazes instead..."
The intention of this non sensible question is...

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/09_01.jpg - I bet he dies...

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/09_02.jpg - Dai Pinch!!

Are they going to finish the flashback? :confused:

...
yes, they're going to finish the flashback. ;)

think the titles are somewhere along the lines of "The manmade cave" Anna Berg and "driver of the mountain spirits' force" Yuri

[stormy001_M1A2]

For some reason, the boy reminds me of Indiana Jones. But yeah, this is my favourite episode since it talks about Margery, ,my top favourite character of the story.

for some reason, they decided to pop in 2 Flame Hazes. I wonder how many of these entities walking around. The Red Indian bartender seems to be an interesting fellow.

But the cycle is complete, now Yuji can face the first Rinne he seen in Season 1. Impressive.

[FlareKnight]

Well a pretty good episode. Anyone hoping for a fight will get some satisfaction. Yuji steps things up in his training with taking on quite the familiar looking Rinne. Guess it was a good way to see how he would handle himself against an opponent he'd really rather be nowhere near.

Do wonder who or what this Pheles character is. Got Wilhelmina on a trip pretty darn quickly. But guess considering the lack of anything going on she can afford to head out and leave things to Shana. Hopefully we get some information on that one.

Nice to get some of Margery's past. This Yuri kid really is a unique one. Instead of being driven by hate it's more of wanting to make up for the people he couldn't help. Caring a lot about humans and helping them rather than simply the balance. A sense of justice that pretty much has everyone seeing him as unqualified. Maybe this is a message for Satou that it isn't hte path for him. Since while he wants to get stronger to help and fight he's not being driven by that hatred of the Tomogara.

At any rate should be a good episode next week. Got a solid feeling our Yuri friend isn't going to make it though.

[ZODDGUTS]

Finally a good episode close to the level of the first season, I wasn't impress with the previous 7 episodes in this season. Hopefully the series will take off now. *crosses fingers* :heh:

[zqube]

Self-sacrifice would seem a fitting end to Yuri.

[Anh_Minh]

This episode bored me, except for the part with naked Margery.

When did she start wearing glasses, I wonder?

[beamknight87]

man, they could have skipped the Shakugan Days (5 freaking episodes) to get to this or better yet, start the season with this ep. Awesome in my opinion

[kimchipride]

Yay for subs! They were a little faster this time... Waiting a week for ep 7 was ridiculous but understandable. Thanks subbers!!!

[Mizuno]

Satou(?) was showing all kinds of signs of jealousy towards Yuji's training. Did they not notice he was inside the Fuzetsu?

[alvinkhorfire]

What is blue toga?

Great skills by Wilhelmina. Her ribbons can be used to create an entity. Cool!

Why did Sydonay work as part time as a bodyguard-for-hire? Since he is a Trinity, I feel that working for other tomogara belittles his status.

Satou is not driven by hatred of the Tomogara, but this case applies to Shana as well. I believe that Satou pretty much awares of the danger he may face and yet he still wants to be a Flame Haze. Is there any other reason that Satou should not be a Flame Haze?

And, I think that there is a low possibility that Marjorie will train Satou and Tanaka. Can both of them join in Yuji's training?

[FlareKnight]

Satou(?) was showing all kinds of signs of jealousy towards Yuji's training. Did they not notice he was inside the Fuzetsu?
Can't really blame him for feeling envious. Yuji is making some progress and is getting a lot stronger. Heck he is going to start learning how to make a fuzetsu soon and get working on unrestricted spells.

Don't think they knew he was there. While he had the handy tool for being able to move within one they were probably more focused on themselves than looking for a normal human walking around in there.

True that Shana didn’t have any strong feelings about the Tomogara. But she had a pretty unique background from most people. I don’t think him joining the training of Yuji will make a difference. Right now he is simply a normal human. Either he becomes a flame haze or he can’t really help out all that much.

[Klashikari]

Why did Sydonay work as part time as a bodyguard-for-hire? Since he is a Trinity, I feel that working for other tomogara belittles his status.
Sydonay has probably a double agenda, and we don't know what he gains with this job.
Also, note that he already did that in S1, protecting the Aizen Twins and te cradle garden hougu.


And, I think that there is a low possibility that Marjorie will train Satou and Tanaka. Can both of them join in Yuji's training?
Considering Eita's situation with Matake, it is obvious he won't try to become a flame haze.
As for Keisaku, it will depend how he will react after margery's tale.

[lua thien]

Curious question: Why is it that the Crimson Lords are always referred as Kings of the Guze, regardless of their gender? Isn't there any sort of differentiation such as calling the females Queens of the Guze or something of that sort?

It was something from Season 1 during a flashback in earlier years when Shana was training to be a Flame Haze and Wilhelmina introduced Tiamat, referring to her as a King of the Guze.

Seems like the Flame Hazes are too consumed in their anger that they become more predictable to their enemies.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Good episode, finally we get to see more Margery's past. To be honest I know almost nothing about her, and well finally it seems that we will get to know more about her.

[serenade_beta]

What is blue toga?

If I recall correctly, it's that blue bear suit of hers/Marcosias'.

Curious question: Why is it that the Crimson Lords are always referred as Kings of the Guze, regardless of their gender? Isn't there any sort of differentiation such as calling the females Queens of the Guze or something of that sort?

It was something from Season 1 during a flashback in earlier years when Shana was training to be a Flame Haze and Wilhelmina introduced Tiamat, referring to her as a King of the Guze.

Seems like the Flame Hazes are too consumed in their anger that they become more predictable to their enemies.

Apparently, their genders are a "mystery". -_-
If you check the official website, the character profiles for the Denizens have a gender with a (?) next to it. Mea doesn't even have a designated gender.

That's because a lot of Flame Hazes become Flame Hazes because the Denizens did something to them, like Margery.
Friagne killed many of such, as he claims. (with the 1-hit Kill Trigger Happy)

[kimchipride]

It deserves an 8/10 but I gave it a 9 just because no Konoe and we got more action

[tabun]

Oh, Margery fanservice :heh: And she looks better (to me, at least) in that time period, too.
I enjoyed this episode, mostly because something different is happening. Having Margery Daw's character fleshed out like this makes me wonder if she'll play an important role in the events to come!

Also, thanks to SS/Eclipse and Ayako/YM for picking up the pace and delivering in quality, it is much appreciated!

[Kinny Riddle]

What is blue toga?

That would be the name of the blue bear-like armour that Margery summons and wears.


Why did Sydonay work as part time as a bodyguard-for-hire? Since he is a Trinity, I feel that working for other tomogara belittles his status.

Sydonay has probably a double agenda, and we don't know what he gains with this job.
Also, note that he already did that in S1, protecting the Aizen Twins and te cradle garden hougu.

There's no need to think too much about it. Sydonay was simply slacking off, since he couldn't be arsed into seeking out the Reiji Maigo for Bal Masque, and as long as Bel-Peol and Hecate don't rush him, he's going to continue slacking off. :D

Stumbling into Yuji during one of his freelance bodyguard assignments was totally pure luck.

Curious question: Why is it that the Crimson Lords are always referred as Kings of the Guze, regardless of their gender? Isn't there any sort of differentiation such as calling the females Queens of the Guze or something of that sort?

The Japanese term for Crimson Lord is 紅世の王 (Guze no Ou), in which 王 is genderless in the Japanese language and can be applied to both male and female. So you can call the female ones "Crimson Ladies" or "Female Crimson Lord" if you like.

In the novel, it is explained that Crimson Denizens and Lords do not have gender in the strictest physical sense, but one can "feel" what their gender is just by their personality. And those that take physical form in our world would pick the gender that best suits their personality. Hence Sydonay is male, Hecate is female, etc.

[ReddyRedWolf]

This episode bored me, except for the part with naked Margery.

When did she start wearing glasses, I wonder?

I'll bet Margery wears one to honor Yuri.


If I remember right in the first season it is Margery's SOP to recruit locals to help her in her hunt for Tomogara.

When she's finished she just leaves her underlings behind.

Maybe a little bit of Yuri rubbed off her.


As for Pheles let's just say the origin of the Reijo Maigo lies with her.

[Shiroth]

There's no need to think too much about it. Sydonay was simply slacking off, since he couldn't be arsed into seeking out the Reiji Maigo for Bal Masque, and as long as Bel-Peol and Hecate don't rush him, he's going to continue slacking off. :D
Indeed, it's his character type. We've seen this more then once in the first season --- now we just know he's always been like that. A character type that'll have him killed one day, though he's living the way he wants to, and loves it.

I'm rather interested with this new enemy Annaberg, gotta love the monologue type characters --- especially when what he's saying, and appereance suit the time frame perfectly.

& yeah regarding Margery's glasses --- i wouldn't be surprised if we find out the reason next episode (like people have already been hinting).

[OceanBlue]

Personally, I'm not interested in Margery's history, so it's difficult to like this episode. I'm not a big fan of flashbacks.

[minhtam1638]

I've just been watching the subs, and the setting is the 1930s, not the 1920s. Margery stated that it happened after the Great Depression. So yeah, the Empire State Building was built at the time.

[grey_moon]

Personally, I'm not interested in Margery's history, so it's difficult to like this episode. I'm not a big fan of flashbacks.

I don't mind as long as it adds some depth to her character. TBH i was hoping to find out more about the time she became a flame haze, but maybe this flash back is related to the silver armour. I'll just have to wait and see, but I bet its just going to be an excuse for her not to train her lackies.

[Kristen]

This episode gets an 8. Personally, I am not too interested in flashback sequences, unless it reveals everything about an entire series. For example, the Higurashi Matsurbiyashi-hen flashbacks worked, just like the Kanon flashbacks.
However, there have been 5 weeks of idiotic episodes with no plot or action, making this just a boring harem. So, this gets a high score by comparison. It's the first episode of the season to have a season 1 feel to it.

[fuzzles]

this flashback is obviously just filler but at least it's filler with action! seriously though i would rather have this than anymore of whatever it was we were getting a few eps back. i expect this show to start getting good around ep 12 *fingers crossed*

[minhtam1638]

this flashback is obviously just filler but at least it's filler with action! seriously though i would rather have this than anymore of whatever it was we were getting a few eps back. i expect this show to start getting good around ep 12 *fingers crossed*

It's not. It's from novel S. Sure, it has nothing to do with Shana herself, but it's novel material nonetheless.

[Toreno]

I gave this episode an 8. I usually don't like flashbacks, but I like the setting and compared to the last 5 episodes this one was really good.
I hope they finish the Margery flashback next episode and get back to Shana action! :D

[lua thien]

Pheles is mentioned...

Is there going to be a Flame Haze named Faustus who would try to kill her?

[Master Chibi]

Wow, we get some actual history of one of the characters, and absolutely 0% screen time for Konoe.

Let's keep this up, please.

[MidoriHiME]

It was nice to finally see some action, and you can tell we're finally getting back on track. The transition to this episode was REALLY painful though - I mean, episodes and episodes of fluffy filler and then all the sudden Marjory starts revealing her past out of nowhere. I mean, I know that one guy (forget his name) has made a few comments about trying to help Marjory, but it didn't really build up, so this episode really felt like it came out of nowhere. Still, like I said, it was nice to FINALLY get some action, so I hope episode 9 is even better.

[Deathkillz]

i sure dam hope Margery will play a significant role in the future for use to be wasting time looking at her life story :rolleyes:

[holyman282]

I liked the action, that was good but the flashback was just painful, they should of used a better plot device then a simple flashback and it lasting more then half the ep just made telling Margery Daw's background forced. I though they could of integrated it a bit better.

[Master Chibi]

Oh please, it's alot more interesting than this bullshit love square they had going otherwise.

[Proto]

and idiotic episode with little to no slice of life in it. I cannot believe they are returning to the old season 1 clichèd formula when they had done such a wonderful work with the first 5 episodes. The talking part was nice, but the lame action scenes compel me to take 6958490 points from this episode. So it gets a -6958488 mark.

[/sarcasm]

Now how do the action lovers felt with that? :p Stop just randomly dissing the previous episodes, there are people who like them as well you know ^_^ (me for example). Of course you are entitled to not liking them, but randomly throwing cuss works won't exactly help others appreciate your point.

[SeedFreedom]

Trust me, if there were five episodes of Shana swinging and missing, I'd be complaining too. It's not the content, it's the pace.

[S_K]

I guess we get to see some action, which is better than no action
Hurry and get back on track on all the good stuff

[grey_moon]

@ProtoMan - Were you being sarcastic about SnS being slice of life? I can't see how anyone can label this show as slice of life even if they took just the love rectangle arc.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Interesting.

It could be that WW2 has connections with the other world....

[grey_moon]

Interesting.

It could be that WW2 has connections with the other world....

It is an interesting idea, as lots of people dying would be a good cover for a tomogara eating a load of people in one go.

[minhtam1638]

It is an interesting idea, as lots of people dying would be a good cover for a tomogara eating a load of people in one go.
Whoa, now that you mention it, that makes a lot of sense.

[holyman282]

The whole talk about acceleration of civilisation is a good indication. Considering most economies gain a great boost from wars, as seen by economic booms following WW1 and WW2. Starting a war means production of weapons, medicine ect, which also means employment, which results in more workers, higher standards of living ect. That would certainly advance a civilisation, so perhaps that Tomogura's goal is to start a war.

[grey_moon]

On the subject of tomogara using large scale events to cover their actions, I wonder if any of them has tried to use religion? They are seemingly immortal beings to normal humans, with their spells and magic items I could imagine they could get a large following of fanatical followers. Not only would that give them a disposable army, but they could have their own reserve supply of food as well.

Would a flame haze be able to sense a normal human with a gun? Would a gun affect a flame haze?

[Reckoner]

Ah, finally glad to see the show back in a good direction. I can't wait to find out the whole story with Pheles and the Reige Maigo. I think the point of what these past episodes were is summed up in the couch conversation in the study group they had when they talked about how long all of them will be able to hang out like that. This is the beginning of the end for that as I believe there is a lot of turmoil on its way that will disrupt this balance.

This episode gets props for 0% of the time devoted to Konoe, character development, and impaling heads :heh: So overall this earns a solid 8/10 for me.

I too want to get to the actual story though, so we'll get to see how Margery's past unfolds and get to some juicy plot hopefully!

[holyman282]

Using religion would of been effective in an era where people are more open to the paranormal. The era of the Great Depression largely consists of a society governed by consumerism (hence the great downfall when the Wal Street sharemarket crashed).

As for previous eras, it's plausible, but hey it's really just all speculation we are giving.

[HashiriyaR32]

Not to nitpick, but the Empire State Building was completed in 410 days, NOT 405 (as stated by Annaberg).

[minhtam1638]

Not to nitpick, but the Empire State Building was completed in 410 days, NOT 405 (as stated by Annaberg).

Erm, this would be your source? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_state_building) Not to nitpick or anything, but you and the Wikipedia nation have considered the opening day of May 1, 1931 to be the official date for the end of construction. That's not necessarily true, since construction ends usually a week before the grand opening for inspection. So the building was constructed in a range between 402-409 days. 405 is a good feasible range.

[KaneDragon]

Better watch out, Yuri, meterman gonna getcha. :rolleyes:

Metamorphosis sure seems a heck of a lot stronger back in the day, with all that crazy hydra action slamming Margery right out of the sky. Whatever happened to the purple teddy bear on chimera action from the first season? :p

[meh]

On metamorphosis: It's been a while since I read that part, so I may be wrong. But I believe having his entire arm cut off by Rege Maigo really hindered that fight against Margery.

Anyway, I'm so glad we're finally near the end of the "high school dating sim" arc. Pheles mention, Yuuji learning unrestricted spell, and Margery's flashback all points to a very good direction.

[grey_moon]

Even though I like Margery's werewolf form, her in a white dress is much nicer eye candy

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Looking at how Yuuji gets stronger and stronger through training, shouldn't a flame haze train, too? But i guess if the flame hazes start training and get stronger this will turn into shonen series.

Nice battle scene at the Manhattan bridge. It's kinda funny looking at it just crumble like that. I don't understand why Metamorphosis and Annaberg just let Margery go like that. One of them even clearly said that she had killed hundreds of their kind, yet they just let her go cause they didn't wanna waste time? Well, it'll be funny if Margery just slaughter them in the future without mercy.

Yuri came at the right moment. Margery got a nice mature un-loli body, the true definition of fanservice. Hopefully, she will stop slacking around and back to her old self.

[grey_moon]

Looking at how Yuuji gets stronger and stronger through training, shouldn't a flame haze train, too? But i guess if the flame hazes start training and get stronger this will turn into shonen series.


We have seen plenty of training, well in the kitchen that is....

[minhtam1638]

Yuri came at the right moment. Margery got a nice mature un-loli body, the true definition of fanservice. Hopefully, she will stop slacking around and back to her old self.

Eto... nani? I didn't exactly hear what you said... or did I?

Well, I'm going to go ahead and say that even though it was a different episode than the last handful, I'd say the transition from amusement park to Margery flashback was really a rough one. If they had omitted 7, like make it an OVA or something, then maybe it could work.

[FlareKnight]

Looking at how Yuuji gets stronger and stronger through training, shouldn't a flame haze train, too? But i guess if the flame hazes start training and get stronger this will turn into shonen series.
Maybe they do train but it hasn't been a big part of the series. After all Flame Hazes can be pretty old so maybe they have already reached their peak in what training can get for them? Haven't really seen a brand new Flame Haze as they develop. Closest was Shana's past and her growth in power during the first season.

In terms of why Margery wasn't killed...well they needed an excuse since it was a flashback :heh:. Do think it was kind of weak to just let her go because they didn't want to waste time considering the danger she presents. But guess they will learn what being stupid can do to you in the next episode.

[tripperazn]

Maybe they do train but it hasn't been a big part of the series. After all Flame Hazes can be pretty old so maybe they have already reached their peak in what training can get for them? Haven't really seen a brand new Flame Haze as they develop. Closest was Shana's past and her growth in power during the first season.

Yeah, there is a level of skill when just training by yourself is meaningless. Both Margery and Shana are famous for their abilities. There's plenty of evidence in eps 7+8 to support that, like Shana's 999999 score lol
Shana did grow in Season 1, but that was only by fighting strong Tomogara, not with training or "tanren" as Shana loves to say. Margery is almost certainly still stronger than Shana at the moment.
Same thing in martial arts, when you reach a sufficiently high level. Basics aren't going to help much, at that point you can only improve with sparring with peers.

[minhtam1638]

Yeah, there is a level of skill when just training by yourself is meaningless. Both Margery and Shana are famous for their abilities. There's plenty of evidence in eps 7+8 to support that, like Shana's 999999 score lol
Shana did grow in Season 1, but that was only by fighting strong Tomogara, not with training or "tanren" as Shana loves to say. Margery is almost certainly still stronger than Shana at the moment.
Same thing in martial arts, when you reach a sufficiently high level. Basics aren't going to help much, at that point you can only improve with sparring with peers.

I'd give anything to see her speed. Get a AAA on Fascination MaXX and I'll be set for life.

Although, I really haven't seen "incredible" speed as far as I'm concerned, though. Good for what it's worth, but Shana's not Flash Gordon (or Nayuki Minase lol).

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Eto... nani? I didn't exactly hear what you said... or did I?



I like lolis, too but more for the design and the personality. But, to see a flat-chested, short body with no curve is not really a service. More like pointless exposure.

[Paul]

Is it just me or was the scene at the beginning with "Silver" the first "Gory" scene in Sns?

Even though the transition was rough, i mean from riding kiddy rides at an amusement park to seeing some dudes head explode by pressure is somewhat of a change. :p

It was also a shock to hear Carmel-san say "Well done" to Yuji after he beat the tomogara form.

I liked the flashback in general, the action could have been better, but overall it was nice to see new "Flame Haze" and understand their world just a tiny bit more.

Hopefully the flashback will end half-way in the next episode and some interesting things happen in the PRESENT.

[ashlay]

Hopefully the flashback will end half-way in the next episode and some interesting things happen in the PRESENT.
you mean like Wilhelmina seeing someone's name, getting worried, and then leaving? :heh:

[Paul]

you mean like Wilhelmina seeing someone's name, getting worried, and then leaving? :heh:

Well, yea!:p LoL

Im also sure that Yujis unrestricted spell training will be pretty comical, so i really wanna see that too!:D

[lua thien]

It was also a shock to hear Carmel-san say "Well done" to Yuji after he beat the tomogara form.



Actually, that was a Rinne she recreated. It's hard to see but it looked as if she was smiling or smirking a bit. Either she's started to respect Yuji a bit or she's thinking, 'He's getting better. This should be amusing when it's time to kill him.'

The writers could do a scenario of a character named Faustus who loses his existence to Pheles, a homage/reference to the German legend "Faust."

[Paul]

Actually, that was a Rinne she recreated. It's hard to see but it looked as if she was smiling or smirking a bit. Either she's started to respect Yuji a bit or she's thinking, 'He's getting better. This should be amusing when it's time to kill him.'

The writers could do a scenario of a character named Faustus who loses his existence to Pheles, a homage/reference to the German legend "Faust."

Oh oops, i wanted to say Rinne but the word slipped my mind, that however is a very good observation, although i believe that she (Carmel-san) is beginning to respect Yuji (even if just a bit), becasue knowing her personality (As much as we do), she is not one to enjoy fighting. That would be Margery-san :D

[Anh_Minh]

Actually, that was a Rinne she recreated. It's hard to see but it looked as if she was smiling or smirking a bit. Either she's started to respect Yuji a bit or she's thinking, 'He's getting better. This should be amusing when it's time to kill him.'

It's not like she has anything personal against him. Even if she's still not completely convinced he's good for Shana.

[ashlay]

It's not like she has anything personal against him. Even if she's still not completely convinced he's good for Shana.
well, except for the over protective mother thing....that aspect of it was pretty damn personal.

but yeah, that doesn't seem to be a problem right now, since Shana is happy.

[serenade_beta]

In terms of why Margery wasn't killed...well they needed an excuse since it was a flashback :heh:. Do think it was kind of weak to just let her go because they didn't want to waste time considering the danger she presents. But guess they will learn what being stupid can do to you in the next episode.

Well, look at what Anna Berg has for a head. :heh:

Sydonay just follows orders, because he's so strong he won't get killed even if Anna Berg does.

[KaneDragon]

Speaking of which, I'm not entirely sure why Sydonay needs to rent himself out so much, anyway, if he's so l33t. Treasure? Boredom?

[ashlay]

Speaking of which, I'm not entirely sure why Sydonay needs to rent himself out so much, anyway, if he's so l33t. Treasure? Boredom?
boredom.

though actually I'm kinda confused as to what Sydonay gets payed in... 0_o

[minhtam1638]

though actually I'm kinda confused as to what Sydonay gets payed in... 0_o

Either money or power of existence.

[ashlay]

Either money or power of existence.
what is he going to do with money? I mean the guy's been wearing the same clothes since the 1930s! >_<

[minhtam1638]

what is he going to do with money? I mean the guy's been wearing the same clothes since the 1930s! >_<

Baseball collection?

[tripperazn]

Baseball collection?

I'd think it's more like his yaoi/BL doujin collection.

[minhtam1638]

I'd think it's more like his yaoi/BL doujin collection.

Or a Yuji shrine...

[KaneDragon]

Either money or power of existence.

Hougu or PoE? Hougu is the most rare and potentially valuable, but (again) rare and not divisible. PoE is the easiest to treat like currency, but readily available, aside from the dangers of Flame Hazes coming after you. Especially considering the power divide between him and his employers, he could easily harvest PoE on his own, but I can see him being too lazy to do even that much (though it isn't like he has anything better to do). Anything other than that is meaningless to these guys.

what is he going to do with money? I mean the guy's been wearing the same clothes since the 1930s! >_<
Hey, man, don't diss Meta's threads. He's got style. :p

[ashlay]

Especially considering the power divide between him and his employers, he could easily harvest PoE on his own, but I can see him being too lazy to do even that much (though it isn't like he has anything better to do). Anything other than that is meaningless to these guys.
like I said, Sydonay did the bodyguard thing out of boredom. Like all Tomogara, he's highly eccentric and thought it was fun to be a self styled bodyguard for various crazies who'd 'hire' him. of course that was until he found the Reiji Maigo (as he pointed out in episode 2. just wish we could see what exactly he's up to now >_<)

but still, even if its really just for the fun of it, a bodyguard does have to get payed. well, maybe it is money...I dunno.

[minhtam1638]

Hey, man, don't diss Meta's threads. He's got style. :p

Dude, I wear a same shirt every single freakin' day. That's not style at all. I get comments that I look like a darn cartoon character.

like I said, Sydonay did the bodyguard thing out of boredom. Like all Tomogara, he's highly eccentric and thought it was fun to be a self styled bodyguard for various crazies who'd 'hire' him. of course that was until he found the Reiji Maigo (as he pointed out in episode 2. just wish we could see what exactly he's up to now >_<)

but still, even if its really just for the fun of it, a bodyguard does have to get payed. well, maybe it is money...I dunno.

So, pretty much Sydonay has no idea where he's going to go in life... he's just surviving for the sake of surviving.

[Whitemoon648]

A question. Didnt that Annaberg(Clock guy) allowed Sydoney to kill Marcosius? Then why did they left her alone?

[holyman282]

Yeah I thought that was a little lame. I mean they are Tomogura who are hunted by Flame Hazes.. If given the opportunity wouldn't you think you should kill those pesky flame hazes that are after your life. Instead they let Margery go and that's the end of that. It just makes me think they did it cause Margery is alive in the present...

[ashlay]

Yeah I thought that was a little lame. I mean they are Tomogura who are hunted by Flame Hazes.. If given the opportunity wouldn't you think you should kill those pesky flame hazes that are after your life. Instead they let Margery go and that's the end of that. It just makes me think they did it cause Margery is alive in the present...
concept of never cornering a wild animal.

if Margery thinks she's going to be killed, she'll release everything she's got (giant dragon anyone?), possibly causing an even longer fight. But if she's injured and they just leave, it's likely she's not going follow them, since she's currently at a disadvantage. Anna Berg says it himself, if it's so easy for Sydonay to defeat Margery, why waste time killing her then? much easier to just mess up Margery and have her crawl away to lick her wounds (after all, most Flame Hazes are hardly selfless. Margery treats Yuri like dirt for even wanting to save humans), while Berg does whatever he wants.

[Whitemoon648]

What i was confused was :

Meta : " it will be a bother to leave her be" ( so he was saying he can get rid of her)

Anna: " If you will have trouble, Lets leave her be"
Then Anna sais : " I dont want to waste time. Since i went through the trouble coming manhattan, picking the moment flamze hazes are gone."

I was under impression that Annaberg wanted Sydony to get rid of her. Am i wrong?

[FateAnomaly]

Ya that is a confusing part. I had to replay that scene to understand it.

What Annaberg is trying to say is that he don't want to have any trouble. (What he wants to do is unknown though seeing that he is not actually rushing for time)
So he reasons (somewhat illogically) that he should let her go. Ya margery is saved by stupidity:heh:.

[ashlay]

What i was confused was :

Meta : " it will be a bother to leave her be" ( so he was saying he can get rid of her)

Anna: " If you will have trouble, Lets leave her be"
Then Anna sais : " I dont want to waste time. Since i went through the trouble coming manhattan, picking the moment flamze hazes are gone."

I was under impression that Annaberg wanted Sydony to get rid of her. Am i wrong?
手古摺る (tekozuru) means something along the lines of "to have trouble with", but it can also be expressed as "to not know how to handle". I can see how a translation that used the first would be rather confusing.

Sydonay tells AB that:
a) this is his first time encountering Margery
b) Margery has killed a whole lot of tomogara=>she's a rather good fighter.

so AB replies that if Sydonay's unsure how/if he can deal with Margery, then they'd just be wasting time, and they should leave her be for now. and Sydonay says he'll do as his client instructs. In many ways AB is just being eccentric, but the scene itself isn't that confusing.


oh, and the whole the flame hazes aren't here is of course about most of them heading to Europe to fight that army of Tomogara (referenced later on in the episode) Flame Hazes obviously guard major metropolises (which are massive sources of POE), so something like this is a once in a lifetime (er...kinda...) opportunity.

[Whitemoon648]

Ya that is a confusing part. I had to replay that scene to understand it.

What Annaberg is trying to say is that he don't want to have any trouble. (What he wants to do is unknown though seeing that he is not actually rushing for time)
So he reasons (somewhat illogically) that he should let her go. Ya margery is saved by stupidity:heh:.

手古摺る (tekozuru) means something along the lines of "to have trouble with", but it can also be expressed as "to not know how to handle". I can see how a translation that used the first would be rather confusing.

Sydonay tells AB that:
a) this is his first time encountering Margery
b) Margery has killed a whole lot of tomogara=>she's a rather good fighter.

so AB replies that if Sydonay's unsure how/if he can deal with Margery, then they'd just be wasting time, and they should leave her be for now. and Sydonay says he'll do as his client instructs. In many ways AB is just being eccentric, but the scene itself isn't that confusing.


oh, and the whole the flame hazes aren't here is of course about most of them heading to Europe to fight that army of Tomogara (referenced later on in the episode) Flame Hazes obviously guard major metropolises (which are massive sources of POE), so something like this is a once in a lifetime (er...kinda...) opportunity.


Thanks alot both of you. It makes sense now.

[DazarGaidin]

The sheer amount of win coming from this episode is staggering, especially in light of all the previous episodes. Margery fanservice, an actual battle, some background story. When the end came it seemed too short where the other eps seemed to drag on endlessly.

Thank you Margery!

And yeah, i think the point he was making is that she wouldn't be killed very easily, it would take too much time and effort. Her current condition merely meant they believed he could kill her then, but it wouldn't be easy.

This also solves a question i had earlier, it shows that metomoph dude can change his shape to multiple/different things (i wondered this in my off the wall theory that he might be konoe :))

[Paul]

The sheer amount of win coming from this episode is staggering, especially in light of all the previous episodes. Margery fanservice, an actual battle, some background story. When the end came it seemed too short where the other eps seemed to drag on endlessly.

Thank you Margery!

And yeah, i think the point he was making is that she wouldn't be killed very easily, it would take too much time and effort. Her current condition merely meant they believed he could kill her then, but it wouldn't be easy.

This also solves a question i had earlier, it shows that metomoph dude can change his shape to multiple/different things (i wondered this in my off the wall theory that he might be konoe :))

It could be possible that he really is konoe, but there are 2 reasons i can think of that would state otherwise:
1) Konoe froze in the Fuzetsu and neither Shana nor Margery (A spell expert) could sense that she is anything other than human.
2) Could Metamoph really act like such a child? I mean i guess he could, but that means he must be a very good actor.:p

[minhtam1638]

It could be possible that he really is konoe, but there are 2 reasons i can think of that would state otherwise:
1) Konoe froze in the Fuzetsu and neither Shana nor Margery (A spell expert) could sense that she is anything other than human.
2) Could Metamoph really act like such a child? I mean i guess he could, but that means he must be a very good actor.:p

Somebody forgot about J.C. Staff's odd emphasis to the bracelet.

[lua thien]

I think Yuri has yet to cast his hesitation aside. I don't think he's ever killed any enemy yet. Losing his family hasn't killed his innocence, which might be limiting him in becoming a better Flame Haze. Then again, don't many Flame Haze have their rookie years where they start off as inefficient before building up through experience to become better and more efficient?

I could somehow imagine Satou finding Friagne's Trigger Happy weapon and threaten Margery with it like a thug if he wanted to become stronger.

[minhtam1638]

I think Yuri has yet to cast his hesitation aside. I don't think he's ever killed any enemy yet. Losing his family hasn't killed his innocence, which might be limiting him in becoming a better Flame Haze. Then again, don't many Flame Haze have their rookie years where they start off as inefficient before building up through experience to become better and more efficient?

I could somehow imagine Satou finding Friagne's Trigger Happy weapon and threaten Margery with it like a thug if he wanted to become stronger.

You make me interested in Shana's early days.

[KaneDragon]

You make me interested in Shana's early days.

Haven't we seen that, already? But I guess not every teenage flame haze has the benefit of having Skeletor as a sparing partner. :heh:

[minhtam1638]

Haven't we seen that, already? But I guess not every teenage flame haze has the benefit of having Skeletor as a sparing partner. :heh:

I meant after she became a flame haze (and split with Wilhelmina).

[lua thien]

Shana's rookie years in taking care of things on her own and serving as a Flame Haze after she and Wilhelmina parted ways and before she met Yuji...

Sparring is one thing, but actually fighting to really kill an enemy is another thing. Shana did kill that Tenmoku Ikko Mystes with her bare hands and later killed Merihim as her first Tomogara kill. (I think Merihim wanted to be killed due to his unrequited love for Mathilde or something. That guy has a short perspective on life.)

I don't think she had any difficulty in regards to her earlier years unless it had something to do with interacting with Torches that lost their minds or committed suicide. Of course, I wonder how many Flame Haze that she met either peacefully or in cases that she kicked the hell out of him/her during her early time.

[Saleh]

I think Yuri has yet to cast his hesitation aside. I don't think he's ever killed any enemy yet. Losing his family hasn't killed his innocence, which might be limiting him in becoming a better Flame Haze. Then again, don't many Flame Haze have their rookie years where they start off as inefficient before building up through experience to become better and more efficient?

I could somehow imagine Satou finding Friagne's Trigger Happy weapon and threaten Margery with it like a thug if he wanted to become stronger.

Most flame haze aren't that idealistic. Isn't Yuri going to die very soon?

[ashlay]

Most flame haze aren't that idealistic. Isn't Yuri going to die very soon?
who can say? :rolleyes:

[grey_moon]

Shana was pretty much conditioned from an early age to kill tomogara, you can't compare her to a kid who became one out of fear/rage/revenge etc.

[holyman282]

interesting that you say that. Makes me wonder, is Shana a special Flame Haze since she was trained from an early age to be a Flame Haze, where as most others enter it later in their life and usually for revenge or other reasons.

It certainly does make Shana unique and justifies how clueless she is in everything other then killing Tomogura (especially love).

[minhtam1638]

interesting that you say that. Makes me wonder, is Shana a special Flame Haze since she was trained from an early age to be a Flame Haze, where as most others enter it later in their life and usually for revenge or other reasons.

It certainly does make Shana unique and justifies how clueless she is in everything other then killing Tomogura (especially love).

Emphasis on love. And life too. I doubt she knows how she came into this world. Yes, I know she finds out eventually.

[Paul]

Emphasis on love. And life too. I doubt she knows how she came into this world.

Got to love white text :p

Im sure an episode or extra like shanatan, where Yuji and the others try and explain it to her would be very amusing however!

[minhtam1638]

Im sure an episode or extra like shanatan, where Yuji and the others try and explain it to her would be very amusing however!

Uh, more like... backing away...

[lua thien]

Where the heck do the Flame Hazes get their cash? Do they usurp the bank accounts of Torches that have already burned out or something? I haven't seen any Flame Haze going broke yet.

The octopus Tomogara in this episode surely reminds me of the Kraken.

I do want to see Wilhelmina playing a guitar or banjo in regards to those two specials where she was on the cliff.

With Wilhelmina taking off, would Shana still stay in that apartment during her absence or is she going to sneak into Yuji's room like she did in Season 1?

By the way, does the Balle Masque still have the Blutsauger in their possession or was it destroyed in Season 1?

Okay, I'm done ranting for the day.

[KaneDragon]

Where the heck do the Flame Hazes get their cash? Do they usurp the bank accounts of Torches that have already burned out or something? I haven't seen any Flame Haze going broke yet.

I always supposed they just materialized as much cash as they wanted out of PoE. Margery's the only one I remember seeing throwing around large sums of cash (for her hotel room). Immortality has its perks, but the stock game hasn't been around for that long... :p

[minhtam1638]

Where the heck do the Flame Hazes get their cash? Do they usurp the bank accounts of Torches that have already burned out or something? I haven't seen any Flame Haze going broke yet.

According to the novel, it was implied that Shana would threaten gangsters to hand over money stolen by innocent victims, similar to how Margery did it in Shana I, episode 4.

With Wilhelmina taking off, would Shana still stay in that apartment during her absence or is she going to sneak into Yuji's room like she did in Season 1?

Yes, Shana would go back to Yuji's room. It will be hilarious how this is executed.

By the way, does the Balle Masque still have the Blutsauger in their possession or was it destroyed in Season 1?

There's no reason for me to believe that they'd still have it.

[KaneDragon]

According to the novel, it was implied that Shana would threaten gangsters to hand over money stolen by innocent victims, similar to how Margery did it in Shana I, episode 4.

So Flame Hazes don't have the power to materialize stuff like money out of PoE? :(

[minhtam1638]

So Flame Hazes don't have the power to materialize stuff like money out of PoE? :(

That's a good question for the metaphysics thread, right?

Well, technically, they can, but ain't it counterfeit? I believe most dollar bills have serial numbers now a days...

[holyman282]

That's a good question for the metaphysics thread, right?

Well, technically, they can, but ain't it counterfeit? I believe most dollar bills have serial numbers now a days...

Rather then all that talk about metaphysics, haven't people considered the economic problems resulting from that? Considering that several thousand Flame Hazes started throwing money which they've "materialised"... Wouldn't that cause severe inflationary problems....

[KaneDragon]

Rather then all that talk about metaphysics, haven't people considered the economic problems resulting from that? Considering that several thousand Flame Hazes started throwing money which they've "materialised"... Wouldn't that cause severe inflationary problems....
Pah, details, details... :p

Maybe most Hazes don't throw around money for high class hotel rooms like Margery. :heh:

Or maybe it's "torch" money that burns out. o_O

[minhtam1638]

Rather then all that talk about metaphysics, haven't people considered the economic problems resulting from that? Considering that several thousand Flame Hazes started throwing money which they've "materialised"... Wouldn't that cause severe inflationary problems....

Oh, snap, I forgot about the gold standard. Materializing money does count as throwing the world off balance...

Oh well, I guess it's off to mugging people.

[grey_moon]

If they are really nasty they could jump into the existence of a rich person.

[lua thien]

According to the novel, it was implied that Shana would threaten gangsters to hand over money stolen by innocent victims, similar to how Margery did it in Shana I, episode 4.



You mean stolen FROM innocent victims?

I think they might be relying on some collective that scavenges cash from burned out Torches in the way the Outlaw serves as the Flame Haze information exchange.

It's impossible to rely on mugging others forever.

[minhtam1638]

You mean stolen FROM innocent victims?

I think they might be relying on some collective that scavenges cash from burned out Torches in the way the Outlaw serves as the Flame Haze information exchange.

It's impossible to rely on mugging others forever.

Well, I meant from, but if you look at it in a different perspective, by kind or works too.

True, it is impossible to rely on mugging others forever, but then again, Shana's the type of girl who would only spend money on food alone and be able to ration it. That's like only 20 bucks per week, if you ask me.

[darktruth]

Regarding how Margery gets her money...if you listened to the audio drama tracks off the assorted Shana CD's, it is revealed that Margery host a radio program show on giving advice to people having all sorts of troubles (like Alastor sending in a letter to her under an alias on how to deal with stress) and is quite well known. I guess that's how she earns her money, as for Shana I wouldn't have a clue.

It's also backed up on the 2nd audio drama track on the 2nd volume of the "Assorted Shana" CD's where Yoshida bumps into Margery and finds out she's the radio host to which she asks on what to do to attract the boy she likes lol (and this was set to when Yoshida still didn't know about the Tomogara world, flame hazes and such).

Margery ends up giving her the advice to attract "the boy she likes" using her breast after realizing how big Yoshida's were XD, explains shana-tan returns lol.

[SeedFreedom]

I have a theory. It could be the money has an existence similar to torches. I.e. When Margery spends money, it disappears when she leaves, and the people who had the money forget about her, or that fact she ever was there. Any things she buys people forget they ever had.

[KaneDragon]

I have a theory. It could be the money has an existence similar to torches. I.e. When Margery spends money, it disappears when she leaves, and the people who had the money forget about her, or that fact she ever was there. Any things she buys people forget they ever had.

Or maybe it's "torch" money that burns out. o_O

Ahem. Torch money indeed. :cool:

[SeedFreedom]

Ah, sorry. I did see your post but \I wasn't sure if that was what you mean't by "torch money".

[KaneDragon]

Ah, maybe it wasn't. I was thinking of the bills as mini-torches, and the people would forget about the money, not her. Not sure what the effects of that would be, though. :p

[Ratix]

I like this episode... It brings a nice introduction to Magery...

However Im left to ponder on one thing. I was always under the impression from Season 1 that Magery became a Flame Haze because her wedding got fucked by the Silver Flame Dude or something. Turned out she was one before it even started or something? Im pretty lost. Was the flashback before or after the earlier flashback seen in this episode/last season about magery and the silver guy?

On a side note, I love this episode so much because it has shana, IN PAJAMAS. <3.

[alvinkhorfire]

On a side note, I love this episode so much because it has shana, IN PAJAMAS. <3.

Shana was also in pajamas in episode 7. Cute!

[Guido]

Margery's flashback story was a good step-up from the recent wave of character development episodes previously aired.


The introduction for this episode was both eye-popping and jaw-breaking. A full sequence about the silver Tomogara that slaughtered Margery's kin before her eyes.

I do empathize a little bit with Keisaku's contempt about he feels useless for not contributing anything to Margery, after he and Eita had been dragged into the battle between Flame Hazes and Tomogara. However, Margery's right that they should not do anything stupid like following her, if both treasure their lives so much.

The problem lies that Keisaku feels his current life is pointless or has stopped right before a void, that he cannot crossover and believes that only becoming a Flame Haze would spring to life his existence.

But, obviously it is a foolish reasoning to make a contract with a Lord of Guze in order to become one.

One of the main reasons why I so loved Margery's flashback was to witness in action again that hell bent on revenge lady that never would stop at anything to achieve her vengeance.
The buxom, killing-machine that Margery was right when she was introduced in the previous Shana season.

With exception of Shana, most of the other Flame Hazes arose for the need to become one in order to accomplish revenge, like in Margery's case.

Yuri fails to because he lacks a hatred for Tomogara and apathy for humanity. A worst possible combination that comes to is a Flame Haze, who still thinks of himself a human, and with a caring heart for justice to protect lives..

I'm certain that Yuri will die on the next episode, but not before proving his worth on battle.

As for Yuuji, kudos to him for having endured the training and succeeding to dispel the phony Rinne (an ugly familiar face which scared the shit out of him:heh:).
His progression at handling power of existence made Alastor at making his decision to start training Yuuji on casting unrestricted methods.

Other good things about this episode were that Yuuji brought back to the topic on the main storyline about the research undergoing on the Reiji Maigo, and the name "Pheles" which made Wilhelmina looked so ghastly concerned to force her at leaving for a long trip.

I suspect that "Pheles" might be the green, long-haired woman shown in the opening sequence.

[Ratix]

^
Close about Pheles =D.

[lua thien]

Anyone who can cast a Fuzetsu could really pickpocket as many people as they wish before deactivating the seal.

I wonder why Satou didn't ask Margery with more rationality such as "Can you train me in combat so that I can protect myself against Rinne or Tomogara?"

[Anh_Minh]

Because he didn't want to get "If you see one of those, just run away and don't look back" as an answer?

[lua thien]

What are the chances of Margery saying that?