[Manga] Claymore Chapter 75 Discussion

[Skyfall]

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Chapter 76 will be released on January 4th, a month from now.

[Devilz911]

Any predictions for the next chapter? I wonder what will become of Galatea. She's already lost her sight and now one of her arms...I can't take it!

[chibamonster]

IT IS HERE! Yay skyfall. Well I don't want to see Galatea go out any time soon. I can even imagine Sid pulling his sword on Clarice if she doesn't get with the program and have Miata attack the AB. Man, what an AB. She reminds me of Venus in a clam shell, only much more blood thirsty and human eating.

I don't see Galatea regenerating her arm nearly as quickly as Deneve unless she really pushes her limits. She might have to do the remainder of this fight with one arm. I think she even saved Miata only to be attacked again.

[Defiled one]

I also remember a person who went down with one arm........Lion king.

[khryoleoz]

I have a fear that things are falling into place. Riful found something interesting for which she is looking for a yoki manipulator. Now we meet a former number 2 AB. I really hope that's not Raphaela who we're seeing. That would just be too sad.

[Edit]Okay, it's not Raphaela according to others. That's a relief! I was crapping my pants.

Agatha...that is one fine ass AB. Very hot!

[ThoHell]

Man poor Galatea, she was such a hot character! Clarice and Miata dou is retarded. Why is the story even focused on them right now, besides to inform us on Galatea's situation. Is it focused on Clarice right now to show what is going on in the organization through the character who took Clare's number and name which closely resembles her.

Honestly I don't think Miata can beat Galatea 1 vs 1, he yoki is bigger but she lacks a lot of experience. Galatea was a former number too, even higher than Miata. They're making it out like Galatea has been doing nothing and gotten weaker or her strength just stayed the same after leaving the organization. I am sure she has been privately training and gotten alot stronger. Do they never input strength growth into the equation? The organization didn't go after all the claymores that left the organization because they didn't have strong enough warriors, besides the 2 twins who are as strong as the abyssal ones except for they were a little unstable. Indeed they got new warriors and numbers and trained them, but the claymores who left the organization have been training as well. Look at how weak those numbers were compared to Clare's group, the ones Clare's group saved in earlier chapters. Galatea would of had a strength growth/boost just like those with Clare.

Sorry had to toss out some frustration!

[Devilz911]

Yeah I'm sure Galatea has gotten stronger over the years. But Miata is a monster and has the ability to achieve #1 (as mentioned by the Org.) I'd say she's comparable to Priscilla in some ways.

This chapter made me really hate Clarice lol. Ultimately, the outcome of this battle will most likely depend on her decision.

[zato_1one]

Translation is out!!! Wooo... :D

[Squawks]

I have a fear that things are falling into place. Riful found something interesting for which she is looking for a yoki manipulator. Now we meet a former number 2 AB. I really hope that's not Raphaela who we're seeing. That would just be too sad.Agatha, that's what she said she's called.

[Flar]

Next chapter, Galatea takes control of Miata, or does something with that lost arm. Her "no plan ever goes as planned" was too ominous not to hide some deep meaning, expecially with that smile. Unless she is laughing at herself, which is a possibility. The AB is just a plot device soon to be forgotten.

I hope that in the end, when Galatea is at her wits end, Riful, Raki/Isley or the Ghost 7 will show up and save the day. My money is on Raki, he needs to reappear in some way, and he knows Rabona, Sid and Galk already, but there are reasons for Riful and for Clare, too.

A convergence would be awesome, Riful on one side, isley on another, Team Clare on the last. Poor AB in the middle gets obliterated.

[Valerian Mengsk]

It isn't Raphaela, the AO's name is Agatha. I guess she has been around for a while (pre Alicia-Beth combo), but I wonder how she stacks up to Rigaldo, she doesn't seem to be focused on speed.

As for Galatea's probable growth (as in 99.99999% probablity) I think that losing her arm will cause her to reveal her new strength ( it seems like a good reason to get serious) and apparently she doesn't think she can take Agatha on by herself since she purposely lured other claymores to the city to help her kill the AO. The possibility is that she can take on Agatha, but the result would involve too much collateral damage to the surronding area as well as potent damage to her own body. As for her regeneration, well she is a very powerful defensive warrior, she might not be able to do it during the battle, but afterwards is a totally different matter.

BTW, we seriously need a map of this world so we can determine how far away the north is from Rabona, and therefore predict the likelyhood of the fab7 showing up to save the day.

I think Clarice will continue to be bullheaded, we need someone other than Rubel in the organization to tell what is happening there. Possibility of Miata awakening, I will defer to Galatea (50-50).

[chibamonster]

Galatea wins for smarts, figuring out a plan to slay this AB without the organizations consent. She even figured out how to mostly preserve the city. But there is no way to plan for Miata's lack of thinking. This is a very interesting fight because unlike Pieta, the city has not been evacuated completely. It is like when the first 3 male awakened beings attack the Pieta, except Rabona appears to be much more populated than that northern outpost.

Apparently Agatha has been waiting for the claymores, but didn't sense them until Miata and Galatea started releasing their youki. She may have even hit on Cid before when she looked like a normal girl. Agatha seems a lot like a siren to me especially because she hasn't lost her human form along with her awakening. I bet this isn't the only form she can take either. Those spider legs of doom have to be able to defend and move, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a giant mouth on the bottom of the thing to consume lots of people.

It is interesting that the spear pierced her arm though. Also how Cid almost got her. What a stud. No wonder she wanted to jump his bones. Agatha reminds me of Ophelia, especially when she seperated her serpant body from her human part. Agatha may have done the same thing.

I don't see reinforcements coming any time soon because that would destroy the tension Galatea and Clarice are facing in their stand off; if Galatea dies, do they have the power to beat that AB but if they help Galatea what do they tell the organization? Galatea was in a very simmilar position when she let Clare go after the fight with Duph. Is Clarice prepaired to make the same decision Galatea did?

There is also the huge danger of Miata going nuts here and accidentally killing a human in the carnage (probably by accident from destroying a building). Or going past her limit. I don't know if she really understands the whole limit thing. There is going to have to be some very decisive thinking done by Clarice. She is too weak to help against this monster so her battle will all be cerebral (until we find that she is also very tough like Clare). If someone did show up I would want to see Raphaela, but it probably wouldn't be until the last panel of the next chapter or even after that. She needs to make a dramatic entrance.

This could also mean that Galatea hasn't really been in Rabona all that long. But I am not too sure about that either.

[zato_1one]

Come to think of it, I doubt that Galatea had time to train her battle skill. Unlike Clare's group, Galatea had to disguise herself and took care children. So in term of strength and skill in battle she "may" not be better than before that much except for her sensing skill. This is bad though. :(

But I still believe that she has a trump card under her sleeve. :)

[Valerian Mengsk]

Shoot everyone posted while I preparing my post, and they caused me to repeat them.:sad:

[Valerian Mengsk]

Galatea was only in Rabona for 2 years, the 5 before are unaccounted for, but she seems to stil be doing what a normal Claymore does: hunt youma, AO's, and protect people.

It makes sense that she would continue this since she would still consider them a threat, she just hates the orgs methods

[chibamonster]

Galatea is going to summon bahamut.

I feel so bad for our heroes when they lose limbs. It is very common in this world (Irene, Clare, Ophelia, Duff, Rigald) but it still makes me cringe. Maybe Galatea can find her arm and snap it back on like a lego.

[khryoleoz]

That last page (an ad for volume 13?) with Clare's face gave me the feeling Clare will arrive to save the day. (Payback for the Witch's Maw?)

Even if it doesn't happen, I hope it's not the end of the road for Galatea. Clarice'd better realize that if she doesn't redirect Miata, all three of them could very easily die.
I would love it if Clare makes an entry and kicks the crap out of Agatha.

The bottom character looks like Maita. Could she be awakening? Because she's in a collage of two other great ABs, Riful and Priscilla.

I'm not understanding the Claris hate. She doesn't intend to rely on Maita, only that Maita goes wild. And where's the hate for Maita and the outcry about what she's done to our Claymore Girl? The brat needs to be dealt with and hard. Well, it looks like she might awaken.

[Sassarai]

I believe that Clarice might end up convincing Miata to help fight the AB instead in the next chapter. Or Clare-tachi might end up at Rabona since she's looking for Raki and sensing such enormous youki they decide to intervene. Galatea is sure getting a lot of screentime :)

[Siegzon Caritas]

Miata's a A total risk for awakening if she's challenged. What could the organization be thinking? They are very laissez faire with their pawns.

Galatea--whew--smiling after she lost an arm. I hope she has a plan and not preparing a final charge. She was smart, but did not count on the perversity of the org, sending someone like Miata after her. She can't regen like deneve, but does she even know about partial awakening (yes) she yoki read what happened to Jean! Ohhhh! maybe that's why she's smiling?

Agatha--I don't think she figures with the Abyssals. She is an AB, but afaik not an abyssal, but she sure has a wild body. She has to be feeling pretty confident--so long as she does not prematurely target Claris; that would flip it back.

Riful/Fab 7-No indication that either will show up as far as I can see. Though the Fab 7 showing up would be awesome fanservice.

Claris better grow up fast, really fast.

We know the creator is willing to wack his fantastic creations, so the suspense is killin' me! Can you believe the anime company really diverged? What a second season this would have been. Oh my.

[khryoleoz]

I agree. We would think that the org learned their lesson from Priscilla, and Priscilla was much more stable than Maita. Priscilla's instability only manifested to a point where she was a liability when she found herself outmatched. With a little more development and maturing, Priscilla was going to be fine. But Maita is cookoo from the get go.

[Valerian Mengsk]

The company probably dd not feel like waiting 3+ years for enough material to make a 2nd series.

As for the rest, I find it odd that Galatea was smiling after having her arm chopped off, usually Claymores are debilitated by the pain to the point where they can barely stand after sustaining injuries of that caliber, is it possible that galatea is already awakened but has retained her human conscience? (Cause only AO seem able to remain unaffected when losing a limb)

Or is Galatea just that tough? (Honestly, I do not know)
I think Agatha ranks in at strong awakened one level, she has been around for a while (pre- Alicia/Beth) and Riful would know about someone who could challenge her.

A partially awakened galatea would be very nice to see, or better yet! An about to be partially awakened Galatea!

[Gooral]

I agree. We would think that the org learned their lesson from Priscilla, and Priscilla was much more stable than Maita. Priscilla's instability only manifested to a point where she was a liability when she found herself outmatched. With a little more development and maturing, Priscilla was going to be fine. But Maita is cookoo from the get go.
Probably for MiB one city more, one city less is at this point unimportant. The only enemies they have are AO, humans as we can see are defendless againts AB. That's strange that Rabona managed to survive until now, 3 AB as Agatha and it would be the end.


I thought Clarice was smarter than that. In such dangerous situation, when quick and right decisions are essential she spaces out and waits to be laughed at by Galk and Syd.In previous chapter she gave me impression she was capable of logical thinking, probably naked monster took away her senses ;).
I wonder from which generation Agatha is ? Maybe when Riful was around, or which would be even better #2 when Rosemary was #1 and Teresa wasn't active yet.
On the side note:
It took soldiers relatively much time to start attacking monster. Until 5 of Rabona's warriors were obliterated they just looked at AB doing nothing.

I don't think Galatea partially awakened (and definitely she hasn't fully awakened) because of what she said: Miata + Galatea are about even with Agatha's power. Galatea would be extremely weak if she partially awakened and said the truth. I think she was powerful and smart enough to not have to resort to such risky thing as going over her limit.

[Valerian Mengsk]

It took soldiers relatively much time to start attacking monster. Until 5 of Rabona's warriors were obliterated they just looked at AB doing nothing

Maybe they had the same problem Clarice had.;)

[Defiled one]

Probably for MiB one city more, one city less is at this point unimportant. The only enemies they have are AO, humans as we can see are defendless againts AB. That's strange that Rabona managed to survive until now, 3 AB as Agatha and it would be the end.

Rabona survived the Abyssals and awakened because unlike Youmas, awakened know that even though the city does not represent a threat to them, it´s better to live there than to live in the wild. Killing a person or two, making it look like accident, beggars, people that society does not care.
Besides, at least I know whay Agatha didn´t destroyed the city, she wanted the "nookie" and I aint mean food. But then came Claymores and she thought they were there for her, her mistake. :heh:

Of course i could be wrong.

[khryoleoz]

This is a little off-topic, but with all that the manga had progressed there is no way for the anime to resume by following the manga plot without going back and doing an entire though more faithful retelling, at least as far back as the Northern Campaign. The anime was cheapened by its plot divergence and it was so good in its first 3/4. I suppose that if there is going to more Claymore anime, the property can go to another studio (which it should) the way Gunslinger Girl is going.

Back on topic, Galatea's plan may have been clever, but surely there were risks that she didn't anticipate. It is also reckless, as she has no guarantee of 1) getting the cooperation she needed to deal with Agatha and 2) ensuring her safety once Agatha is eliminated. But, those being her odds, her human charity level (if it isn't all disdain for ABs) has sky rocketed. Go, Galatea, go!

[Gooral]

Rabona survived the Abyssals and awakened because unlike Youmas, awakened know that even though the city does not represent a threat to them, it´s better to live there than to live in the wild. Killing a person or two, making it look like accident, beggars, people that society does not care.

The town no, but if they called MiB for help it would be another matter. Wiping out and having a guts feast/orgy before anyone would make it in time wouldn't be that stupid I think. "A bird in hand is worth two in the bush."

[Defiled one]

Well i think Agatha herself didn´t thought that way, it was her lust that made her delay things later and later until she has three Claymores.

[stringer13]

I think that Clarice will be attacked next chapter and Miata will go berserk and attack Agatha.

Also about Galatea smiling after her arm being cut off I think that she had got a plan or sensed someone come into the city who will actually be of use like Raphaela or the fab 4.

And Agatha is obviouslt stronger then Galatea or she would've taken action years ago. What I'm wondering is if Agatha knows Galatea being a claymore.

I can't wait a whole moth for the next chapter.

[Mentar]

I smell the Magnificant Seven cavalry riding in for the rescue...

Sure, there's also the possibility that our new AB goes for Claris, causing Miata to switch targets. But somehow I don't think that this alone will take out Agatha.

Cut Claris some slack, willya? Folks, she's been doing a fairly good job in a crazy situation so far. She's trying to do things by the book (generally a good idea for a rookie), and this task is way over her head. Let's see how things turn out.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Well here are my feelings over the chapter:

Clarice:

I think people are giving Clarice too hard of a time, she was sent on a mission with an unstable #4 with the power of a #1 and was sent to go kill a former #3. Now, in the middle of her a fight with her target, an awakened #2 decides to show up?

Hell, i'm suprised she is taking it so well. I fathom that she will probably change targets for Miata, because right now they are in just as much danger as the rest of the town. She seemed pretty hesistant when talking about Galatea being a priority.

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Miata:

Although a bit suprised by her focus, it is not too suprising that she is as focused as she on her target. After all Mama told her that her opponent was Galatea.

I am rather suprised she managed to wound Galatea as badly as she did, maybe this is a result of Miata using her Yoki?

Galatea also seemed to have confidence on their combined might being able to take out an awakened #2.

Another thing that suprised me is how well the Organization seems to have hammered the basics into her, her show off control in avoiding killing Galk was impressive, I don't think people are giving her enough credit in the self-control department.

Although she needs some lessons in prioritizing.

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Galatea:

Quite the planner, as expected, she knew that the AB was too much for her, but also realized that the AB would be taken too lightly by the Organization, so she wanted them to send a team strong enough to take her out, so she could count on their sucess in taking out an AB.

Unfortunately her plan didn't survive contact with Miata, as Miata is like a laser guided missle.

Losing her arm was something I definatly did not expect, Miata sure is scary.

As for her smiles, I'm pretty sure that is just her way of keeping her composure, as I don't think anyone would be smiling if they lost their arm. :P

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Crimson Agatha:

Quite the looker, too bad she suffers from odd bathing habits :p

One of the more interesting AB body types we have seen as well. I wonder if her "human" body is just a decoy and is more of a lure then anything.

Galatea seemed impressed by her speed, probably comparing it to how slow Dauf was for his size. :D

It seems Agatha is also a quicker learner, as she already figured out Galatea's "trick."

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Galk and Sid:

I have gained a newfound respect for these two, especially Sid, that was a pretty brave stunt he pulled there, I don't think it would have worked even if he sucessfully got an attack of though.

Galk sure is lucky that Miata was fast enough to get her sword out of the way.

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The soldiers:

I'm rather impressed that they are not running away in terror, this is probably the first time they have ever seen an awakened being, and a rather powerful one at that.

I think it is quite realistic that they were all shocked by the immense size/speed/ and power of this giant monster that was killing their soldiers.

[Exar Kun]

I agree that people are probably too hard on Clarice. Let's face it, she's still a rookie (7 years tops as claymore), so she probably never even met any single-digit (excluding Miata), not to mention seeing them in action... and when it comes to AB's she probably heard about them in bedtime stories told by the MiB, or in some scary tales told when sitting by a campfire...

I don't blame her that it's hard for her to choose between a treacherous deserter, who decided not to protect humanity any more, or a former no. 2, who became a monster and takes strange baths...

[khryoleoz]

She may not be a rookie, just number 47. Yes, please give Clarice a break and focus your hatred instead upon Maita. Thanks.

[chibamonster]

haha, the first time Clarice met an Awakened Being she passed out. Recently she got dragged behind miata's nose as they slaughtered their way through a bunch of other ones, the highlight of the journey being Clarice getting her sword stuck in a tree fighting a normal youma. I'd say she's doing much better this time.

Galatea is too cool under pressure. I think she definitely has youki radar now; running through the streets, across roof tops, throwing guys around.

[Siegzon Caritas]

No, Clarice deserves some criticism. Claymores fight Yoma Have the rank and file gotten so corrupt they won't reprioritize such a demonic threat? Time and again we see Claymores thinking for themselves, but Miata sits there; Miata trained to fight in these situations. And it cost Gal her arm and may cost all of them their lives. If one of the first things she does next chapter is not reprioritize Miata, she's a villain in my book, just like the org.

Are others convinced Miata cut off Galatea's arm? It wasn't clear to me.

[rath-vermouth]

I also remember a person who went down with one arm........Lion king.

But there's someone who survived with one arm... Irene.



From which generation is Agatha?

Galatea would pull through this fight, I think. Either with sheer intelligence or being rescued by the fab7. I also have this feeling that Miata will change her target. The soldiers put pressure on Clarice and she might try to fight Agatha and will fail in doing so. Not her fault. She's new.

[ThoHell]

No, Clarice deserves some criticism. Claymores fight Yoma Have the rank and file gotten so corrupt they won't reprioritize such a demonic threat? Time and again we see Claymores thinking for themselves, but Miata sits there; Miata trained to fight in these situations. And it cost Gal her arm and may cost all of them their lives. If one of the first things she does next chapter is not reprioritize Miata, she's a villain in my book, just like the org.

Are others convinced Miata cut off Galatea's arm? It wasn't clear to me.

No, I think Agatha cut off Galatea's. Agatha said something like that was an interesting move, but won't work the second time.

[Fenrir_valindri]

For Clarice; I think she deserves some slack because she technically should not even be on the active roster, she is a failed Claymore. I doubt the Organization expected much more then "filler" material from Clarice.

Miata was probably trained like the twins, to be a living weapon, so I doubt she will pull away from Galatea unless Clarice tells her, or Clarice becomes endangered by the AB.

I am pretty sure that Miata is the one who took Galatea's arm, as the panel before Galatea lost her arm it was Miata who struck, not the AB.

I do like that everyone is referring to Clarice as "Colored hair" now, must be quite the fun nickname to have among Claymores. :P

[Tempest35]

I volunteer to do the 'in depth' check~! :D

...no wait, Miata, I was kidd - GYAAAAAAAAGH!!! GET OFFA MEEEE!!

[Noelle]

I am pretty sure that Miata is the one who took Galatea's arm, as the panel before Galatea lost her arm it was Miata who struck, not the AB.

Both the AB and Miata struck the same spot. You can see the tentacles... or whatever you call it too, in that panel. I think.

God, I'm stunned. Shouldn't such massive Yoki [awakened no.2] be sensed by Tabitha, maybe?

[Fenrir_valindri]

Both the AB and Miata struck the same spot. You can see the tentacles... or whatever you call it too, in that panel. I think.

God, I'm stunned. Shouldn't such massive Yoki [awakened no.2] be sensed by Tabitha, maybe?

Hmm, it appears you are right, the AB did attack at the same time, its hard to tell who scored the hit though.

I wouldn't be suprised if Tabitha could pick up on that Yoki, possibility of Riful as well.


And to Tempest:

Lol, Clarice is indeed worthy of being "checked-out" but "color head" does have a rather protective little friend there, I think i'll stick with Miria. :D

[Siegzon Caritas]

I just reread it. I wouldn't say Clarice is culpable yet. She's so slow and the fight has happened so fast I'll cut her slack in getting to the decision, but they have stopped a volley of attacks now and she's been prodded by the good soldier. Time for her to step up to the plate.

But if it was 50-50 before and now Gal is 1 armed. eeek!
Is that smile just Bravado? It is possible she senses something off panel. She's a crazy eye now what with sensing them suppressed. That smile could be the tip off to the cavalry.

[BaalChaamon]

Miata, lay off from Galatea will ya :frustrated:
Geez this little brat is such a fool.She is pretty much an automaton just like Alicia/Beth with the added crazy factor. I wonder why Agatha (who is HOT as they come) is not striking Miata, afterall it was her Yoki that drew her out of her boredom and guessing she is not bad of a Yoki reader she would naturally focus on the greatest threat first...unless she has a hunch that Galatea might have an ace up her ...erm right arm's sleeve.

I'm glad to see that Galatea hasn't lost the tiniest bit of her composure. Clarice is also starting to bug me but I think its all abit too much for her having a former #2 and 3 and a current #4 dancing the dance of death around her.

[Devilz911]

Looks like Galatea used her Youki manipulation to stop the tentacles from hitting her the first time. Then Agatha said nice move but it won't work a second time. Then it seems like she gets attacked by Miata and Agatha. So I'm not sure who took her arm.

[Bonta Kun]

woo hoo very nice chapter indeed, action packed!

Seems we're being shown her many years of experience here, in being able to handle Miata while dealing with a AB too, which is very impressive. Thats gotta be on par with Teresa in the "how awesome is she" category.

wonder what plan she's got cooked up, which I'm guessing now is her only means of surviving this rather grim situation.

also that AB is SH....*ahem* very hawt:D

[FlareKnight]

Well things have gotten pretty interesting now. As expected it was an AB that would get involved in this. Props to the soldiers for putting up a good effort against an opponent well beyond their level. Cid pulled a brave attempt to get in close there even if it didn't quite work out.

Not a bad plan from Galatea. Figured out a good way of getting some powerful claymore's out there. Figured that reasonably the ones sent out would have a sense of self-preservation or at least a brain. Sadly you just can't predict for Miata. She's probably not going to change her target until Clarice tells her to.

Don't want to be too hard on Clarice since this is a pretty crazy situation for her as well. You expect to come in deal with Galatea and now have a former number 2 on your hands. Hopefully she pulls it together and figures that if they don't deal with Agatha first Miata won't be able to handle the situation. Will need to decide that dealing with the AB that will rip the town apart and bath in the people's blood is slightly higher on the priority list.

Agatha I'm not surprised is also focused on Galatea. Since she is intelligent and could make things more difficult on her. Besides attacking Miata would only get her to change targets and Galatea is already interested in a team effort so not a hard pick.

[khryoleoz]

What if Maita's special ability is like the twins, being able to awaken but return autonomously?

[Chendzeea Li]

What a shocking turn of events. I had honestly expected it to be a AB we knew. Agatha was former No. 2 from what generation I wonder. After Teresa but before Clare perhaps? Or even during Riful's time perhaps. What if they are working together. I think Riful said she'd found something.

[stringer13]

If Agatha is working together with Riful, she wouldn'd try and kill Galatea.

Also, I'm starting to have doubts if Rigardo is the strongest Ab besides the Abyssals.

[evil_kenshin]

If Agatha is working together with Riful, she wouldn'd try and kill Galatea.

Also, I'm starting to have doubts if Rigardo is the strongest Ab besides the Abyssals.

he never was, Priscilla is

[Fenrir_valindri]

Rigaldo was certainly strong, but he is by no means the only awakened #2, as we now know :D (Rosemary fit into that catagory as well, as does Priscilla, technically.)

I doubt Miata has the ability to awaken and come back on her own, that would be highly borken ;)

[stringer13]

he never was, Priscilla is

not including Priscilla who is much stronger then the abyssals.

[QuickSilverD]

Just finished reading the chapter and I only have one thing to say.

God Clarice sucks big time

[stringer13]

Rigaldo was certainly strong, but he is by no means the only awakened #2, as we now know :D (Rosemary fit into that catagory as well, as does Priscilla, technically.)

I doubt Miata has the ability to awaken and come back on her own, that would be highly borken ;)

I've always agreed with that and people keep saying that Rigardo was the strongest non abysall (besides Priscilla) because he is male. Males aren't neccesaliry stronger. Priscilla is a lot stronger then Easley and in my opinion Luciella only fled because she sensed PRiscilla. Easley was almost dead as well.

I agree that Miata would need help to come bacl after awakening and you can't forget that soul link has only worked with Alicia and Beth who are twins and have beenn raised as the perfect warriors. :eyespin:

[kumori]

oh man! our beauty queen is losing one body part after another =[ but she still is the prettiest one =p well for sure she is going to regenerate her arm since she is a defensive type (she better!) as for the duo, clarice better start telling miata to attack the AB. i was really surprised to see that miata didnt attack the AB though. i wonder how this is going to turn out even though i dont think that our fav group is going to come save them (would be interesting to see though) and also i am a little confused now so who actually cut off galatea's arm? (because that person deserves to get hurt! haha jk only if it's the AB)

[evil_kenshin]

I've always agreed with that and people keep saying that Rigardo was the strongest non abysall (besides Priscilla) because he is male. Males aren't neccesaliry stronger. Priscilla is a lot stronger then Easley and in my opinion Luciella only fled because she sensed PRiscilla. Easley was almost dead as well.

I agree that Miata would need help to come bacl after awakening and you can't forget that soul link has only worked with Alicia and Beth who are twins and have beenn raised as the perfect warriors. :eyespin:

While i agree with the most of this post , i disagree about the Luciella part, she as she was running off was cursing his name, and once bumping into Raphelia tried to get her to awaken to take on Isley, so i presume she didn't even realize Priscilla was there (she would of known her sister was no match for Priscilla)

though u could be right of course :)

[Fenrir_valindri]

While i agree with the most of this post , i disagree about the Luciella part, she as she was running off was cursing his name, and once bumping into Raphelia tried to get her to awaken to take on Isley, so i presume she didn't even realize Priscilla was there (she would of known her sister was no match for Priscilla)

though u could be right of course :)

I get the feeling people have a hard time detecting Priscilla, as Isley and Rigaldo both misjudged her, and Riful did not sense her power until she could see her.

So I believe that Isley (narrowly) defeated Lucalea on his own.

[evil_kenshin]

I get the feeling people have a hard time detecting Priscilla, as Isley and Rigaldo both misjudged her, and Riful did not sense her power until she could see her.

So I believe that Isley (narrowly) defeated Lucalea on his own.

this seems to be the case, Priscilla only showed up when Riful showed up. Isley (while still in his awakened form after Lucelia had run off) says " Damn I was so close...." but he didn't even have the strength to pursue her

[chibamonster]

It would be a huge shock if Miata could take Agatha by herself. If that happened Galatea would probably stop smiling pretty quick. I see Clarice as the one being in the most trouble here because she really doesn't have a defense.

I really hope Galatea has time to pick up her arm and put it back on. That would go much faster than regeneration for any claymore. But for some reason I don't see her getting much slack from the author any time soon.

The youki in this fight is going to be like a beacon to everyone with a good youki-radar.

[Mizuno]

A lot of people are going to notice this fight. Tabatha should definitely notice if she's within range.

[ThoHell]

Priscilla, if you haven't noticed is a very kind/timid/passive character. Though she is the strongest among all the awakens and warriors, she doesn't care to show off her strength, it's Isley who seems really driven by some sort of a goal + his love for Priscilla and to please her.

Most of these awakened numbers and so on are generations before Teresa, which wasn't too long ago. The only recent number warrior to awaken and have any impact in this territory war, was Priscilla.

I think Agatha is going for Galatea because she sense who is the serious threat and also it's because Galatea is talking to her, while Miata is just running wild after Galatea. Agatha just wants blood, so simply watching the show or picking a temporary side will make less work for her. But man you got to hand it to Galatea, she's awesome, she hasn't gotten all serious or crazy taking on both Miata and Agatha at the same time. She for sure has something planned, she is too calm and taking it easy. A huge obvious sign that she has drastically improved over the years. Go Galatea, KICK ASS!!!

[redmeat]

You guys shouldn't blame Clarice or Miata. They've got business to do and they've got no time for heroics. My only comment on Clarice is that she acts like a person who only goes by the book. Galatea getting her arm chopped off didn't surprise me nor will the amputation of all of her limbs. Seems like severed limbs and blindness are becoming standards in Claymore. As for the introduction of a new AB, it's not suprising either. Yagi, like he did in his previous manga, is likely going to introduce new characters in every following arc.

[Flar]

But man you got to hand it to Galatea, she's awesome, she hasn't gotten all serious or crazy taking on both Miata and Agatha at the same time. She for sure has something planned, she is too calm and taking it easy. A huge obvious sign that she has drastically improved over the years. Go Galatea, KICK ASS!!!Not obvious at all, she was still calm and smiling while skewered by Duff, and there was Riful ready to slaughter her just behind. We already know she is better at sensing and reacting, but we're talking of being tag teamed by a Rigaldo class AB and a Claymore #1 here.

[BaalChaamon]

Not obvious at all, she was still calm and smiling while skewered by Duff, and there was Riful ready to slaughter her just behind. We already know she is better at sensing and reacting, but we're talking of being tag teamed by a Rigaldo class AB and a Claymore #1 here.

Claymore turn over is extremely volatile and the quality and strength of warriors of different generations varies considerably.One example are Noel and Sophia from Teresa's generation in comparison to Ophelia. Simply because Agatha is a former #2 doesnt put her in the same league as Rigaldo per se.She could be better or worse than him, but I like to think that she is better than him (not only because I think Rigaldo is overhyped). My guess is that she is from one of the pre-Teresa generations.

Galatea is putting on an amazing show, fighting both Agatha and Miata.I doubt we have seen the best of her yet.

[Flar]

Simply because she is a former #2 doesnt put her in the same league as Rigaldo.She could be better or worse than him.Oh, I know, I was just highlighting the possible potential of an awakened #2.

Galatea probably has something to offer to the story, but I'm not sure if it will be in the form of a trick of hers, or a reaction from another Claymore. Last page of raw chapter 75, with the Clare/Riful/Miata/Priscilla cross, could actually hint at the future power players in each faction. Miata is blood-soaked there, and killing Galatea and not the AB would add another bit of sinister spin to the org's image.
Miniature:
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Also, I think Galatea is too powerful and too much of a leader to integrate the ghost 7, from a meta story point of view, she would overshadow Tabitha (sensing), Clare (power) and Miria (leadership) too much, and the org want her dead, so either she joins Riful or Isley, or she goes on alone. Going alone is quite improbable though, considering she doesn't have any overarching goal to sustain her, story-wise. In short, she is expendable, and this does not really bode well for her, though I think she is linked to that "thing" Riful discovered with Priscilla. A tragic death after Clare sees what is that thing seems in order.

[KiNA]

Galatea would be Kira Yamato in GSD, stealing spotlight from everyone if she joined G7 ^^

Edit:

Ok, after reading the chapter I think its more likely for the G7 to enter the fray now, Clare have a history with Rabona, and Agatha would make a good stepping stone to show off their new fighting skill.

I dont think Riful would make an entrance tho, putting Clarice with so many higher # then she can handle (She would/could recognized G7)

Man, that Agatha is smexy hot :naughty: Too bad she's a cannon fodder IMO to show off other main character improvement ._.

[zato_1one]

You guys shouldn't blame Clarice or Miata. They've got business to do and they've got no time for heroics. My only comment on Clarice is that she acts like a person who only goes by the book. Galatea getting her arm chopped off didn't surprise me nor will the amputation of all of her limbs. Seems like severed limbs and blindness are becoming standards in Claymore. As for the introduction of a new AB, it's not suprising either. Yagi, like he did in his previous manga, is likely going to introduce new characters in every following arc.
I thought that the surprise elements had already been introduced in previous episode. This chapter is a follow up. The introduction of new AB and the explanation of Galatea plan are crucial or else it will make less sense. Galatea lose her arm is also make sense in term of power level. If Galatea can dodge all the combination attack from Miata and the AB perfectly then I thought that it will downgrade Miata(aim to be no.1) and the AB(former no.2) too much.

[Chendzeea Li]

Is it me or does it seem that Galatea has yet to make an offensive move during the whole battle. So far all she's done is attempt to survive. Of course we now know why due to the last chapter. As for attacking Agatha, she seems to be having her hands full just trying to stay ahead of them. Shes really on the defensive, not a good sign. I would guess she knows there are others coming and is stalling for time again.
As for her joining the others. At first I was also of the mind set that she is far to powerful to do so. However, we've yet to really see how much the others have improved. They did wipe out that Gang of awakened beings by themselves. Clare did take out Rigardo by herself, albiet at a cost. Its safe to assume. Due to their training and semi-awakened status the Fab 4 are perhaps in Galatea's league now, even with her new boost in power. Clare and Miria moreso than the others obviously. However, while she would still throw the balance out the window by joining. She could however, take a diffrent route and be a solo act, that comes to their aid now and again. I feel Galatea may work more as a powerful mover behind the scenes from now on. Dealing with her own agendas which happen to work with Clare's and the others.

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Nice chapter, wonder if Clarice will make Miata attack the AB instead. It seems to me that Galatea stating that she was disappointed a group didnt show up to take care of her, and help with the AB (which she knew was there, if i read that right?) seems an aweful lot like foreshadowing. Though I wouldn't mind it if Miata killed Agatha on her own.

[Siegzon Caritas]

Also, I think Galatea is too powerful and too much of a leader to integrate the ghost 7, from a meta story point of view, she would overshadow Tabitha (sensing), Clare (power) and Miria (leadership) too much, and the org want her dead, so either she joins Riful or Isley, or she goes on alone. Going alone is quite improbable though, considering she doesn't have any overarching goal to sustain her, story-wise. In short, she is expendable, and this does not really bode well for her, though I think she is linked to that "thing" Riful discovered with Priscilla. A tragic death after Clare sees what is that thing seems in order.

Good analysis, but writers this good tend to surprise us. My thoughts dovetail a bit with Chendzeea Li's. Galatea is not a leader, she's a loner. Her work as the eye sent her off alone many tmes in the series. Even in the witch's Maw she was not sent as a team member but as a hunter.

And rather than inform the org about the AB (really her reasoning here is suspect) she chose after all that solitary work to be a hermit. Hey, I can identify. I'd rather stay home and read manga then go to work now. :heh:

If she survives (a VERY BIG IF) I don't see her joining the fab7; she is way, way cynical and not revenge motivated. She might join them on a temporary ad hoc basis but she is not a threat to Miria's leadership. Miria has a rocklike hold there and the Fab 7 have all increased big time in power that Miria probably would win against Gal now. (Geuss! I'm just geussing! /me waits for the animesuki power loremasters to come out and beat me about the head) I see her joining until she can go run an orphanage.

I wouldn't mind seeing the lil one of the Fab7 get a moment in the sun. I bet she's tougher than she thinks after being around Helen-sensei for 7 years (OWTCH!)

My bet though is your reasoning is close to the mark and she may be going down. Her smile in the Witch's maw may be indicative of her super cool character and not a secret plan. I'd like to see more survivors so the story can expand in many different ways.

They (the org) think Rapahaela's dead? She survived the fight with Luciella, right? Did I miss something?

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

She survived the fight with Luciella, right? Did I miss something?

It didn't look like much of a fight from memory, it seemed like she gave her a bear-hug until she broke her back. Id say shes hiding somewhere, and moping to herself until someone comes around to slap sense into her, hopefully Irene.

[QuickSilverD]

Id say shes hiding somewhere, and moping to herself until someone comes around to slap sense into her, hopefully Irene.
Irene? ... Sorry to tell you, but the deaths can't do that

[FlareKnight]

It's tough to say whether Galatea has a plan to handle this or she's just keeping a calm exterior while desperately trying to figure things out. Her line about things not going as planned certainly relate to the problem of Miata, but it could also turn into a positive statement. Things can happen after all that you didn't count on but are pretty handy. Might be a little too coincidental for the Fab 7 to show up though.

There is still a reasonable solution in Clarice figuring out that an awakened that wants to bathe in the populaces blood is slightly more important to handle right now. Of course doesn't guarantee things working out for Galatea after that but can worry about that later on.

With Rafalea I figured she killed her sister and then with that goal completed finished herself off. Of course could have something completely out in left field with her and Irene who she didn't kill (I'll keep hoping regardless there) are just chilling in the woods enjoying the peaceful scenery. I'm not writing up Irene's obituary until we get something concrete. So many character we literally see getting taken out and yet Irene is simply inferred to be dead? Seems a little suspicious to me.

Anyways if Galatea gets out of this I still see her working alone. Seems to be more her style to work that way. Not that she couldn't help out or join up on temporary occasions though.

[cf18]

What may happen next:

1) Clarice injured by AB, Miata switch target to AB instead.

2) Clarice was killed, Miata go berserk/awaken.

3) G7 join the fight. Clare has some old friends there which may help her find Raki.

4) Rifu join the fight, since she sense what she was looking for.


Say if you are Syd, would you take the sexy AB's offer?

[Flar]

Irene? ... Sorry to tell you, but the deaths can't do thatAh, but the crackpot theory is that Rafaela did not kill Irene, so after killing Luciela she didn't commit suicide but join her in hiding.

I think Irene is dead and buried myself, though Rafaela is likely alive, but you never know, too many characters in manga did come back up after having been "killed" offscreen for it not to be a possibility.

And yes, in Syd's place, I accept the AB's offer, even if I cannot manage to finish her off myself while she doesn't pay attention, it's still a distraction that my comrades can exploit, since I'm dead either way at this point.

[Valerian Mengsk]

1. That might happen, but because it seems like the most likely thing to happen next i think we should discount it because it is expected.

2. A serious change of events that would satisfy some of the people her for sure, but I doubt it since it seems like Miata and Clarice are still important to the story. But it would be a surprise.

3. They can't always save the day, but I do appreciate the link between Clare and her friends in Rabona.

4. That would be a very interesting turn of events, the most interesting by far in my mind of the four suggested. But one must wonder how many frequent flier miles Riful has to use travel to all of these distant places.

If I was Sid, I would say the same thing and try to hook up with Galatea after the battle.

[dutchman]

And yes, in Syd's place, I accept the AB's offer, even if I cannot manage to finish her off myself while she doesn't pay attention, it's still a distraction that my comrades can exploit, since I'm dead either way at this point.

H'm my respect for you would be very great if you could get everything 'up and running' in those kind of circumstances.:bow::bow:

[aurr]

Maita
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!....Hahhha.... oh, sorry, i'm just from Latvia and there's a word Maita, which means something i better not mention.
offtopic. Ok.
I think perhaps Miata could awaken and Raki suddenly reappiering.
Why do you think of Raphaela so much? I doubt she will be presence in this act, but it's just my poor opinion.

[PGilis]

Clarice and Miata are not very high in my book right now... :(

How could Clarice still think their top priority is taking down Galatea?! There's a freaking monster on a killing spree right before her eyes!!

Even if Galate IS a traitor, she never ate anyone. As for Agatha, she IS eating many humans right now! Almost ate (and raped :D ) Sid too, but Galatea saved him just in time.

And what she will do after beating Galatea? Go back to the Organization, leaving Rabona at Agatha's mercy until a proper order of hunting her is done? I thought the Org ordered their warriors to hunting down any A.O.s in order to prevent they never make another army again.

And even if Clarice decide to take down Agatha next, there's absolutely no garantee Miata can beat her all by herself. Let's face it, against A.O.s the new 47th is completely useless!

Galatea is pretty smart and has a youki sense good enough to sense their youki even when they were on youki-supressing pills. If she said they have 50-50 chances to beat Agatha fighting together, then why not believe in her?

Now i can see just how Clarice is stupid. That, or she is in blind obedience to the Organization just like Priscilla was. And that is not a good thing... She (and Miata, of course) will be more a potential enemy to the Fab7 than an ally when/if they meet someday.

As for Galatea, she is definitely in a pinch. She said herself, she can't beat Agatha alone. Now with just one arm and Miata still fighting HER instead Agatha, her chances are nule. Galatea was smiling, that's true, but that don't mean she has still some cards to play. Maybe she's just disdainly smiling to her certain death. But I hope that can be proved wrong.

[Defiled one]

Say if you are Syd, would you take the sexy AB's offer?

:rolleyes:He didn´t really had a choice there and the awakened didn´t kill him because of that. His arrogance in face of death made Agatha interested "aroused" otherwise Agatha wouldn´t just break his arm but rip him apart when he spoke like that. Wise choice of words my friend.

I would decline:rolleyes:

Anyway, I have no doubt that Agatha is cannon fodder and will die soon but her entrace let us wonder...again.

The main question was, do awakened have sexual desires? Riful hinted it with Duph so, at that time, we could assume that awakened were only interested in awakened.
With Agatha, everything changes...Awakened will try to "love dovey" with humans.

However, there are several questions. With each answered, more appear.

Is there a possibility of awakened, not even talking about Youmas here, to have a relationship with a human? To the point of showing feelings of caring and love, without thinking as their food?

I have no idea

[maian330]

I wouldn't worry about the longterm effects of Galatea's lost arm. She's a defensive type warrior; she can regenerate it to full functionality later on. Contrast that with Clare, who could've regenerated her lost arm given time, but the regenerated arm would only have been a human one.

Speaking of which, I bet Galatea could even restore her lost eyes, but simply chose not to.

Story-wise, I doubt Riful would pop up. That would just create an immense havoc and I can't see any Claymores escaping from that situation. It would also be an large climatic situation which I don't think should happen this early in the story arc. I find it more likely that fab7 would arrive.

[zato_1one]

:rolleyes:He didn´t really had a choice there and the awakened didn´t kill him because of that. His arrogance in face of death made Agatha interested "aroused" otherwise Agatha wouldn´t just break his arm but rip him apart when he spoke like that. Wise choice of words my friend.

I would decline:rolleyes:

If Galatea didn't help him, I felt that the AB would tentacle rape him to death. :eyespin:

Galatea knows the AB's name so I thought that Agatha must be from an older generation or at least in the generation when Galatea still works with the Org. It's interesting whether Agatha has connection with Riful.

[PGilis]

The main question was, do awakened have sexual desires? Riful hinted it with Duph so, at that time, we could assume that awakened were only interested in awakened.
With Agatha, everything changes...Awakened will try to "love dovey" with humans.

However, there are several questions. With each answered, more appear.

Is there a possibility of awakened, not even talking about Youmas here, to have a relationship with a human? To the point of showing feelings of caring and love, without thinking as their food?

I have no idea


Well.... Black Widows and female Mantis eat their males after mating. So it's not impossible for Agatha have sex first and eat later.

Besides, Priscilla WAS night-crawling to Raki's bed and hugging him a lot too, seven years ago. :eyespin: So she definitely likes him, but so far, we don't know if she likes him like a pet or like something else. We'll just wait and see.

A.O.s definitely have sexual desires, but IF even humans will do and IF A.O.s can really love someone... it's better to Clare find Raki REALLY FAST! :heh:

And again, maybe seven years after is already too late... :twitch:

[Defiled one]

Oh that´s just mean to Clare. Probably lost Raki to her Rival, sucks even more now.

But it´s just rumors.


PS: Now I am thinking that Miata, mama that and mama love may be something else, I´ll go talk with my friend Freud, he knows better.

[ThoHell]

Priscilla sees Raki as her brother, or he resembles her brother anyways......sibling love.....or she might have grown a more of an intimate relationship with Raki over all the years they've been together, if Raki hasn't been eaten yet. Raki must know who his company and company's companions is by now. To hide the fact that they're an A.O. for 7 years is a little too much, he must know or something.

[redmeat]

Priscilla sees Raki as her brother, or he resembles her brother anyways......sibling love.....or she might have grown a more of an intimate relationship with Raki over all the years they've been together, if Raki hasn't been eaten yet. Raki must know who his company and company's companions is by now. To hide the fact that they're an A.O. for 7 years is a little too much, he must know or something.

Raki could just be as oblivious as Sawawa in Monster Princess.

[chibamonster]

I don't really understand the awakened being mentality. They retain their human memories, for the most part, but seem to lose their respect for human life that they held so dear as claymores. Well, most of them anyways. Priscilla does not seem to remember much and Ophelia did not have much respect for humans anyway. Those two's awakening have been very different.

It really seems that each awakening is very individualized by the claymore's personality. I cannot imagine that in the hundreds of awakenings that have happened that some of them have not maintained their human desires. I also think it highly unlikely that with all of claymores that have come into existence that none of them have ever fallen in love. They are still humans. Teresa loved Clare like a daughter so why not have Claymore/human awakened/human or claymore/awakened relationships? I mention Claymore Awakened because for some reason I think Riful was awakened by Isley. I don't know why, I just think that :).

I think if Awakened Beings could get pregnant then Riful would be the first to have a kid. I don't have a reason, but she seems like the most likely candidate. It also seems very strange to me that an awakened being can separate it's human part from the youma, like Ophelia and maybe even Agatha now. Could that be used to reverse an awakening?

[xChaos]

Wont it be nice if you could reverse Agatha's awakened form by shaving off her hair, since her hair appears to be sort of connected to the spidery thing she was standing on? hahaha. But then she might be able to regerate new hair...now thats a scary thought.
And they mentioned that male Claymores were failures as they gave in easily to that awakening because they loved the sexual feeling (?). how would they know what the feeling was exactly if they've never had sex before =X

yay! i knew it, that scream wasnt from Galatea or Miata! :D but now Galatea has the Awakened being AND Miata to worry about. Poor Galatea. T.T Claymore manga's killing me, i want more...:O

[evil_kenshin]

And they mentioned that male Claymores were failures as they gave in easily to that awakening because they loved the sexual feeling (?). how would they know what the feeling was exactly if they've never had sex before =X

not exactly lol, besides one doesn't need to have sex to experience sexual pleasure ;)

[FateAnomaly]

Give Clarice a break, she is just a rookie and the weakest one at that. It is only natural that she will obey the org. I am sure she will come around someday.

I think the fab 7 appearance will be the likely scenario.

[chibamonster]

Yeah, if Clarice leaves the organization she stands no chance against the hunters that will come after her. Galatea is smart and powerful, where Clarice is a n00b. Claymores are supposed to put their missions before their life as Clare mentioned during her first few missions (where she actually made money... it seems there is very little money collecting going on now). She would say something to the effect of, "Either the youma or I will show up dead in the next few days. You owe money if I defeat it." Don't feel like looking it up right now.

I think the organization wants to get rid of Clarice anyway. I mean they sent her up to the North on an AB hunt. Sorry, she can't do anything, and they know it. She got lucky that Miata liked her. She is totally defensless against Miata as well. And right now she needs to figure a way out of this mess that will save her life. If she goes after the AB, she will die and Miata will awaken (probably). If she lets Galatea go the organization won't be too happy with it either.

Galatea also let Clare go, but the MiB's put her into a nasty situation right after that. She got sent on who knows how many bad missions. Someone pointed out that Claris, the weakest claymore we have seen, is now surrounded by an awakened 2, a renegade 3, and an insane 4. I bet she does something that impresses all of us. That is my hope at least because she has become somewhat of a main character with more page time than just about anyone recently. If she does something stupid it will really make me hate her.

[khryoleoz]

I've always thought that ABs awaken to an extreme furtherance of one's personality, intensifying their fervor for whatever is their passion. What sucks about ABs is that their taste and appetite for human flesh is insatiable. Neither Priscilla nor Ophelia have ever had humans for a meal before, at least I don't think, to develop a taste for it. But their first natural impulse upon awakening was to desire human entrails. So unfortunately, unless this appetite can be completely supressed and the AB has the will to control it at all times, all that even the most human sympathizing AB could do is feel very bad about the meal she is having.

Maybe Clarice's function is to provide some much needed comic relief. She just might be able to crack a joke that can pull down Agatha's guard. One thing Claymore has lacked is a sense of humor. And I indeed really have been waiting for the obligatory onsen episode.

[whitepearl]

One thing Claymore has lacked is a sense of humor. And I indeed really have been waiting for the obligatory onsen episode.

Actually it does have its humorous moments but Yagi-san just incoporates them subtly where it doesn't overshadow everything else.

- Audrey peeing her pants in fear of Riful (this is where Riful says the classic "Don't stain my body, please!!")
- ES 3 (the one extra about Miria) where Ophelia is observing and tells her handler (can't remember who he was) that she had to go pee in the woods
handler: where are you going?
ophie: to pee! a woman shouldn't tell you these things (or something like t hat)
- Helen: the "official" Claymore Comic Relief Squad

[Gooral]

I wonder what MiB is going to do if they know that Agatha said it loud and clear "I'm former #2".
I think that when all this chaos stops and the soldiers will have time to think they will connect the dots and know what she meant by that. Clare said all the time: "I'm #47 Clare..." so it shouldn't be that hard to at least think about such possibility (that this "big yoma" was a claymore once). MiB might just ignore it or they could try to erase evidence / witnessess but then would there be claymores willing to kill humans ? Probably they would just ignore it, it's too late now to play stupid unless they would help awakened #1 to come to Rabona ;).
As for Clare, I think it's quite possible she and Syd will find... let's name it: "common interests". When Syd/Cid kissed Clare only Raki wasn't too pleased to say the least, Clare didn't mind :D. It would be interesting, after many years Raki with Priscilla, Clare with Syd...

[Devilz911]

One thing Claymore has lacked is a sense of humor. And I indeed really have been waiting for the obligatory onsen episode.


More humor:

Helen: Just so you know, I'm Number 22 and she's 15. What number are you?
Jeane: My name is Jeane. I am Number 9.

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(Clare stands up)

Raki: Where are you going?
Clare: Don't follow me.
Raki: Toilet...I guess.

(a while later)

Raki: She sure has been gone a long time. Must be taking a big one.

[chibamonster]

Cid kissing Clare and then getting kicked, or when he told Agatha that he doesn't have a thing for monsters were some funny moments for me. Also Raki being tackled by sleeping Priscilla. That was pretty funny :). Helen jabbing at Raki being intimate with Clare was snappy but funny. Teresa counting the youma also was priceless, "Now I was sure I sensed 7... How many is that?" I think she intentionally terrified everyone in towns. My favorite part of Audrey wetting herself was Riful's response "ooooh gross!". Coming from a man eating killing machine who tears people apart to eat their entrails, that is pretty hilarious.

But you're right, Claymore is kind of grim. It is definitely fairly serious. Clarice certainly could offer some comic relief. But she better not start while Galatea is in trouble! Unlike Clare, Clarice is really really weak. Looking back on it Clare used her youki a lot to fight against normal youma, but Clarice is just pathetic. Something better happen in the story to make her more interesting and likeable. I hope she stays a "good" guy, otherwise the magnificent 7 made a mistake in saving her life.

I bet Galatea will be intrigued by Clarice's discovery in the North if they ever get a chance to talk. Galatea would probably put the pieces of the puzzle together and go looking for the survivors from the North.

[KiNA]

If Galatea joined G7, I think one of the original (most likely Tabatha - the current group eye) will give way (ie die later on). Miria storywise still have something to offer since she's kinda the oneesan of the group.

I just hope that Galatea dont join Irene and Rafaela's group, return back only to fade in silent again :(

[Sassarai]

This series has a lot of dark humor...

superb...

Flora's death in secs... (I couldn't stop laughing)

[[thousandmaster]]

Why does everyone all assume that the Fab 7 will always be there to help? They're not some superheros always coming in to save the day, they're in the south doing their own thing and that is finding Priscilla.

The only way, they (meaning: Galatea, Miata, and Clarice) can beat this hawt chick, Agatha is to work together period. Clarice needs to start barking orders to Miata and take this A.O out. Galatea (which is my favorite claymore) is all game with that, but Miata is messing it all up. >.<

[evil_kenshin]

;1282710']Why does everyone all assume that the Fab 7 will always be there to help? They're not some superheros always coming in to save the day, they're in the south doing their own thing and that is finding Priscilla.

The only way, they (meaning: Galatea, Miata, and Clarice) can beat this hawt chick, Agatha is to work together period. Clarice needs to start barking orders to Miata and take this A.O out. Galatea (which is my favorite claymore) is all game with that, but Miata is messing it all up. >.<

to be fair isn't rabona in the south? (not sure if i spelt the city right but in any case)

people are assuming since their in the same area (and its not unbelievable) that there could be outside involvement, weather it be from the 7 or Isley or whoever

But i think its Clarice mucking up, if she told Miata not to attack Galatae she would stop

[[thousandmaster]]

to be fair isn't rabona in the south? (not sure if i spelt the city right but in any case)

people are assuming since their in the same area (and its not unbelievable) that there could be outside involvement, weather it be from the 7 or Isley or whoever

But i think its Clarice mucking up, if she told Miata not to attack Galatae she would stop

I have no idea where this 'Rabona' is. It would've been nice if they had a map of the 'world of claymore' in the manga, but there isn't. u.u

*looks at evil_kenshin* Dude... you that same guy from fanfiction.net/claymore?

[evil_kenshin]

;1282731']I have no idea where this 'Rabona' is. It would've been nice if they had a map of the 'world of claymore' in the manga, but there isn't. u.u

*looks at evil_kenshin* Dude... you that same guy from fanfiction.net/claymore?

yea that would be me lol, not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing :p

[Sassarai]

;1282710']Why does everyone all assume that the Fab 7 will always be there to help? They're not some superheros always coming in to save the day, they're in the south doing their own thing and that is finding Priscilla.

Well since the mangka didn't give us a world map, I imagine the world of Claymore to look something like this

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8205/ffmapmy2.gif

Yar so everything is in walking distance you see.

[evil_kenshin]

Well since the mangka didn't give us a world map, I imagine the world of Claymore to look something like this

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8205/ffmapmy2.gif

Yar so everything is in walking distance you see.

while quiet well done the only flaw with it is while i can't remember when it was mentioned , apparently there are no large bodies of water (no oceans) in the claymore world

[stormy001_M1A2]

Well, I have a hunch that Galatea will not survive this. Any takers against me in this one, people?

[Sassarai]

Since Earth is 70 percent water, I figured the Claymore world should have a good amount ~_~

[evil_kenshin]

Well, I have a hunch that Galatea will not survive this. Any takers against me in this one, people?

hmm personally i think it would be a waste if this was the case, why introduce her for the sake of killing her off?

Though i admit at the moment things look grim

Since Earth is 70 percent water, I figured the Claymore world should have a good amount ~_~

lol true but don't forget, claymore world is not our world but you could be right, on second thought i swear Priscilla says something like raki smells like the shore or something like that

something i'll have to track down

[[thousandmaster]]

Well since the mangka didn't give us a world map, I imagine the world of Claymore to look something like this

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8205/ffmapmy2.gif

Yar so everything is in walking distance you see.

Hmm... that map of yours is like the size of Great Britian (UK) and is Rabona is only major city? o.o??

[Sassarai]

Evil kenshin - lol I just used the water to show that each terriority seems to be very close to each other. If I added a lot of land then it wouldnt seem like that -_-


Thousand master - I just took a random Final Fantasy map from somewhere.

According to a Claymore poll on whether Galatea will survive or not, 90ish percent believe that she will survive. My only probelm with this is I don't see Miata/Clarice leaving without killing Galatea even if they team up to defeat the AB. It would be eaiser to kill Galatea off. This series has taken no prisoners in killing good characters off (I.E Gantz style)

[edf91]

Evil kenshin - lol I just used the water to show that each terriority seems to be very close to each other. If I added a lot of land then it wouldnt seem like that -_-


Thousand master - I just took a random Final Fantasy map from somewhere.

According to a Claymore poll on whether Galatea will survive or not, 90ish percent believe that she will survive. My only probelm with this is I don't see Miata/Clarice leaving without killing Galatea even if they team up to defeat the AB. It would be eaiser to kill Galatea off. This series has taken no prisoners in killing good characters off (I.E Gantz style)

Well, if the Fab 7 showed up, then there is no way for Miata/Clarice combo to defeat Galatea unless Miata go awaken, and even then, she better be an Isley/Riful class AB, or Fab 7 can still handle them.

[Sassarai]

Well if the org sends you to die, then you have to die. It doesn't seem like Miata/Clarice would go back empty handed even if they were outmatched. Unless they decide to switch sides and leave the org. I doubt there would be another battle after this big battle. People would complain Claymore is turning into DBZ.

[redmeat]

Clarice is now officially the goody-two-shoes type Claymore. Now it all makes sense: the counting of the swords in Pieta, not using youki even in life-threatening situations, and prioritizing killing Galatea under any circumstances, even when it means going against common sense. She seems similar to Priscilla in her claymore days. There's a chance that she will become Clare's new enemy.

As for Galatea, I think that she will die or somehow disappear. It keeps the storyline simple and linear. Yagi could very well be following his usual formula where each arc is pretty much self-contained, like in his previous manga.

[chibamonster]

I do imagine that Rabona is in the south, if only because Raki and Clare walked their from his home town fairly quickly after they met each other. True he could have walked a long way. But it would make sense to me that Rabona was fairly close to Clare's defined area. Although with how often Claymores get together to go fight AB's I wonder if their areas are really that big after all.

Riful is certainly looking for Galatea as well because Clare rejected her (ouch!). Riful is a master at sensing youki and since she knows Galatea's signature she would be as likely to show up as the magnificent 7. Not to mention that she can move faster than them (unless clare goes half awakened on us). And if Riful doesn't show up, when are we ever going to find out about her special "thing" she discovered?

A battle like this could drag out all sorts of odd customers, the magnificent 7, Riful, Isley, Raphaela... With the Org's new eye they might even send in alicia and beth (doubt it). Isley now controls the south and might still be "helping Priscilla find her parents". So he really could be there as well. If Raki hears there is an attack in Rabona he would run to their aid, probably with Priscilla following.

It isn't uncommon in claymore to have battles sensed by local youki users and to have them show up. That is how Ilena found Clare during her battle with Ophelia and how Galatea found Clare during her battle with Duff. Raphaela tracked down Ilena and Clare from who knows how far away. She could definitely show up. I'm not sure where the organization is located, but with Miata and a former number 2 fighting with their youki flapping in the wind I'm guessing it will put up quite noticable a flag mast.

But the one thing I do anticipate is Clarice getting a brutal reality check. Something has to kick her ideals in the gut. Either the soldiers getting pissed, Miata getting attacked, children screaming for Miata to stop attacking Sister Latea (it would really help if they called her mama), Galatea saving her life, Galatea saving Miata's life, or anything else. I see Clarice getting out of this alive, but sorely hurt by the harsh reality that doesn't match her concepts.

This really is simmilar to Teresa's hunt; the most dangerous thing is not Galatea, but the unstable hunters that are after her. I don't think Galatea has much interest in killing Clarice or Miata. I hope that isn't her undoing in the end.

As for Agatha, I don't see her getting out of this alive. I just hope her entry into the story isn't the same as the last awakened number 2 we met...


**EDIT** NEVER MIND RABONA IS IN THE WEST! Raki says so to Isley after he sees him practicing with the sword given to him.

[Mizuno]

that map reminds me of some old FF world map or something. :heh:

[evil_kenshin]

**EDIT** NEVER MIND RABONA IS IN THE WEST! Raki says so to Isley after he sees him practicing with the sword given to him.


ahh makes sense, thus even more of a reason for riful + duff to show up (its their territory afterall + riful wants galatae for herself)

[[thousandmaster]]

If Riful does show up, maybe she'll strike a deal with Galatea and then take care of Agatha (A.O) after that? That way, Galatea will stay alive and not get killed by Miata and Clairice.

But I do have a feeling that Miata will awakened though. She's still too young and inexperience but very powerful just like Priscilla. o.o

[Seska]

Some Side note...

The Story Writer is a Fan of Michelangelo...

[irvinethearcher]

I think an arrival of the fab7 is possible because they asked the number 3 about galatea, so they are probably searching for her.
I think that agatha is not the problem. Miria, clare, helen and deneve will make sure that she dies a quick death. But somehow i think that clarice could die and miata could awaken. Some user posted that the unstable hunters are the biggest problem.

Fight Night:
Awakened Miata versus Awakened Clare soullinked by Galatea:)

[evil_kenshin]

I think an arrival of the fab7 is possible because they asked the number 3 about galatea, so they are probably searching for her.
I think that agatha is not the problem. Miria, clare, helen and deneve will make sure that she dies a quick death. But somehow i think that clarice could die and miata could awaken. Some user posted that the unstable hunters are the biggest problem.

Fight Night:
Awakened Miata versus Awakened Clare soullinked by Galatea:)

while it may be possible its very unlikely, they were heading for the south , it would be a major detour + They have no reason to head to rabona

But i also think its possible for Miata to awaken (but considering she's so unstable will she be a proper awakened being)

[Anh_Minh]

It's not like we know where they're headed, so how would it be a detour?

[evil_kenshin]

It's not like we know where they're headed, so how would it be a detour?

Clare stated she was heading to the south , and thus their all heading that way, so why would they suddenly say "oh we'll cut a path through the west, head back north then go around the east and get to the south"

[Anh_Minh]

South of the north where they were. It could be anywhere that's not ankle deep in snow.

She's looking for Raki, remember? Rabona isn't a bad place to start.

And then, there's the revenge agenda, and who knows where that could take them?

[evil_kenshin]

South of the north where they were. It could be anywhere that's not ankle deep in snow.

She's looking for Raki, remember? Rabona isn't a bad place to start.

Hmm i'll admit thats true lol , this is why i wish they'd release a proper map so we could judge where abouts is where

[Defiled one]

Regarding the map territory. I once came up with the theory of being somewhere in Europe. It fits near a sea, with lakes and lands.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1383/30513206do4.jpg

A 3D one to show it clearly.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7168/30717520rj3.jpg

But I don´t know:rolleyes: Maybe Italy fits more.:cool:

[azurie]

whelp now that the new chapter is out i think poor Galatea has her hands full with both Miata AND the awakened one to fight and DAMN now no arm too and to top it off it seems she DID take her eyes herself to draw the org to her JUST to fight the awakened being that was there hiding. DAMN Galatea is SMART!!! and sexy AND cute AND . . . . i could go on but i won't THIS time :P

[stormy001_M1A2]

Well, I think this arc could be last hurrah of former no 3 before she got snuffed. Her manipulation success depended on Clarice common sense which sadly so far, lacked. Miata is just a muscle of the pair, I don't expect her to do anything different from kill Galatea unless Clarice say otherwise.

But I have to say, this Awakened Being is very artistic, she looks like Venus on the flower kinda thing.

I believe too that this arc is some sort of closure to Galatea, at least we know what is her epilogue after the major battle 7 years ago.

[evil_kenshin]

Well, I think this arc could be last hurrah of former no 3 before she got snuffed. Her manipulation success depended on Clarice common sense which sadly so far, lacked. Miata is just a muscle of the pair, I don't expect her to do anything different from kill Galatea unless Clarice say otherwise.

But I have to say, this Awakened Being is very artistic, she looks like Venus on the flower kinda thing.

I believe too that this arc is some sort of closure to Galatea, at least we know what is her epilogue after the major battle 7 years ago.

if thats so, its kinda depressing, though i guess the creator wants to tie up all loose ends eventually anyway

[smurfx]

i know i'm late to the party but clarice is really cute. :love:

[Sassarai]

she looks kind of boy-ish.

[Fenrir_valindri]

She has a more "down to earth" kind of attractiveness then the other Claymores.

[Tempest35]

Helps that she's a brunette too...:D

[Sassarai]

If Clarice was a boy, his name would be Clyde -_-

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2109/clardj1.jpg

[Tempest35]

There are only two Claymores that would benefit from becoming guys and I'd prefer if it would only stay with those two. :eyespin:

But now that it has been mentioned, I think that Galk, Sid, and Clarice, I mean, Clyde, would make an interesting trio. XD

[Sci-Fi]

In any case, the decision to help the humans or leave them to Agatha rests with Clarice. I doubt the Ghost 7 or one of the AO's would show up right now since it appears Clarice and Miata need to learn a few of the dark secrets of the Org and lose their innocence/blind devotion first. That might take a few more chapters to develop that angle.

Then you can have the Ghost 7 or Riful show up to complicate things more or it comes down to what Clarice decides to do with Galatea after Agatha is killed. All she has to do is return to the Org with her sword if she lets Galatea go free...or Galatea is toast and we lose another interesting character. Lots of ways this can play out and it keeps Claymore an interesting manga to follow.

[BaalChaamon]

In any case, the decision to help the humans or leave them to Agatha rests with Clarice. I doubt the Ghost 7 or one of the AO's would show up right now since it appears Clarice and Miata need to learn a few of the dark secrets of the Org and lose their innocence/blind devotion first. That might take a few more chapters to develop that angle.


Miate wouldn't be bothered much about dark secrets. Her attention span reaches as far as Clarice's breasts, everything beyond those two is dealt with automaton killer modus.

As for Clarice, she is in need of a reality check, i concurr

[Devilz911]

Her attention span reaches as far as Clarice's breasts


:D

I hope Riful shows up. It would make things really interesting.

[BaalChaamon]

:D

I hope Riful shows up. It would make things really interesting.

Riful is the secret comic relief character of the show.I bet her Abyssal class I-command-thee-to-pee-in-your-pants technique would work wonders on Coloured One.

[Siegzon Caritas]

So many of Helen's expressions are humorous. Her head swivelling between Jean and Deneve when Jean gets to Pieta is wonderful; moreso, when you think Helen adopted Jean's super move.

I am pleased with the light touch of humor. The last thing I want is a teddy bear following around the Fab 7 making snarky comments. Let's just enjoy the hardcore drama and tension. This naturally allows for character based humor.

And lets not forget Rubel! That guy is a million laughs. Always snickering and smiling with his little comments and chuckling to himself. What a guy! Love the org. They save you from Yoma! Now, THAT's hilarious!

[cajunman380]

My thoughts......

I honestly believe that Galatea will NOT die for several reasons. If she dies it would basically mean that the organization gets its way again and quite frankly I am tired of that happening. It would also make Clarice and Miata as hated as Raki (anime version) and I dont think he intends to go that route. It would also not make any sense since he could have offed her at so many instances in the story. Yes the story is depressing but I think the point the author is trying to make is that we are witnessing a change in the way a claymores life is lead. Beofre th eorg always got its way. The fab 7 were supposed to die, they did not and they survived and grew stronger from it and they now fight with a purpose in their lives. Galatea was able to lead a life that many claymores dream of and we now see the effects that clares efforts had in Rabona. People are changing their views. I also say it beacuse to me it seems to be the predicatable outcome from galateas speech to the priest about thanking him for the life he gave her to the way she acts in the face of death almost if shes saying "well Im gonna die but I may as well die fighting" sort of mentality. I would so like to see her proven wrong. I would so love Galk and Sid to screw up clarieces plans. I would so love the fab 7 to show up and save her but only to have the priest she told the truth to say "hey you know clare". Honestly theres too much good stuff here to let it all go to waste. Plus cmon theres a batch of new recruits that can be developed in a few chapters and offed in brutal ways no? that should satisfy the fans who demand blood. And lets not forget the org guys.

As for Flora and Undine. Honestly I hate to say it but they didnt really have much personality and were used just as much to develop other characters and to give clare motivation to beat the crap out of ligardes in sensational fashion.

As for the FAb 7 not showing up? well they are going south but we dont know where Rabona is exactly and Yagi has been known to make additions to the story to suit the flow in a way that makes sense. for all we know Rabona could be along the way they went or it could be near the southern border. I quite frankly dont see a reason why Clare would not go there I mean it would be a good place to get info on Raki especially if theres a chance he was there due to the fact that he got his sword from there and that there are people who actually know the pair. Theres also that bit of foreshadowing there. Who knows what will happen.

Well thoughts on this chapter, New awakened is nice. Galk and Sid are awesome and so is Galatea (will Sid try to kiss her?). As for Clarice and Miata.....well they fail but Clarice is over her head and she needs a big reality check. I feel though that she is screwed either way. Bah the org men need to DIE!!!!!!!!!!

[BaalChaamon]

So many of Helen's expressions are humorous. Her head swivelling between Jean and Deneve when Jean gets to Pieta is wonderful; moreso, when you think Helen adopted Jean's super move.

I am pleased with the light touch of humor. The last thing I want is a teddy bear following around the Fab 7 making snarky comments. Let's just enjoy the hardcore drama and tension. This naturally allows for character based humor.

And lets not forget Rubel! That guy is a million laughs. Always snickering and smiling with his little comments and chuckling to himself. What a guy! Love the org. They save you from Yoma! Now, THAT's hilarious!

Thats why I said secret. Helen qualifies as the more obvious comic relief chara. As for Rubel, he is funny alright, in a very creepy way:uhoh:
You just gotta love the Org. Claymore has some sorta odd feministic touch: Female Weapons used by male dominated Orga and struggling to break free, Super-Male AB Isley as Mastermind behind the shattering of the balance of power....

[Noelle]

My thoughts......

I honestly believe that Galatea will NOT die for several reasons. If she dies it would basically mean that the organization gets its way again and quite frankly I am tired of that happening.

(...)

I agree with you. Also, I don't believe the mangaka had Rubel tell Galatea the mechanics of Soul Link only to have her killed off in this fight. Aside from Galatea and the org, only Raphaela, Alicia and Beth know the mechanics of Soul Link. I'm pretty sure Miria doesn't know, because she mentioned Alicia was somehow completed using her twin sister Beth. Soul Link itself is something that will definitely come up later in the story... Clare would need it, for one. =X

On that basis alone, I doubt Galatea will die at such an early stage... and I'm trying not to let my fanaticism affect me here. :heh:

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Id have to agree, I don't think she will die yet, she has the whole mysterious older sister thing going. So she could still prove of some use. She may sacrifice herself down the line, who knows, maybe to kill Riful. But she still has information to share with the (other) main characters, so she'll be around for a little while yet.

[Siegzon Caritas]

It would still be possible for Raphaela to inform the Fab 7 about the soul link, but Galatea is the one smart enough to put it together if she talked with Miria.
Hmmmm.. a gestalt? a fab 7 gestalt that allows Clare to safely awaken?

[Noelle]

Yeah, that's what I think too. Galatea soul linking Clare so she can fully Awaken. How they're gonna improvise a soul link is the big question mark though, since it requires a perfect alignment of Yoki.

[khryoleoz]

I think we're underestimating what that perfect alignment of yoki requires. I'm fairly sure the org has been planning such a powerful weapon as Alicia for a very long time and have gone through many experiments and trials and errors to figure it out. If it can be done by any other way, there would not have been the sacrifice that was Luciela and Raphaela before arriving at Alicia and Beth. In the end, what are strictly needed for soul linking to work are precisely what they achieved in/with the twins. Anything less than that would be hopeless. What Riful is looking to do may have some functional resemblance to soul linking, but she doesn't need for the one doing the awakening to return to a human consciousness. If whichever Claymore who volunteers for the task of awakening desires to return, it's not going to happen by using what Riful designs or Galatea's trick no matter how well improved she is.

[Fenrir_Magnus]

This was one intense chapter, it was specially shocking to see Galatea without her left arm. Yes, she's a defensive type and can regenerate her eyes and left arm and get good looking again :love: ... but she's in mid-fight where having one arm less can be a serious problem (when blocking a two-hand strike from Miata for example), and she's not Deneve so I don't think she can get a new arm right now. It would really hurt me to see Galatea get killed... but if it happens, I think it's not going to be now. When you think about it, main character deaths on Claymore have been SIGNIFICANT:

1)Bishou no Teresa: HER DEATH GIVES CLARE A REASON TO BECOME A CLAYMORE! IT'S THE MAIN STORYLINE!

2)Irene (maybe not dead): Using her Quick Sword again resulted in Rafaela finding her, giving her arm to Clare took away her ability to fight back... but she gave Clare a very valuable technique, powered her up, and improved her chance of succeeding in her quest.

3)Jean: Prevented Clare from fully awakening with her sacrifice.

If Galatea gets killed now it would be either a slash from Miata or a slash from Agatha... and I don't see how that can be significant to the storyline. Besides, this story arc would TOTALLY LOSE ITS POINT without Galatea.

Right now there's one faction trying to kill Galatea (Organization) and two interested in finding her (Riful and Clare's team). She's too important to the storyline to simply get killed without a purpose. Besides, I think Clarice will tell Miata to switch target... in the scenes from the manga where she appears in the middle of the fight she seems unsure if they should be attacking Galatea, and the soldiers (Gak and Cid I think were their names) just helped her one chapter ago and are now asking her to help kill Agatha... the least she could do is return the favor. It's also very likely that someone else will show up (like Riful).

[chibamonster]

I think a soul link with a half awakened claymore would be much more forgiving than one who had never been past their limit. Remember Jean and Clare fully awakened parts of their bodies and they were able to retain an awakened state and a human heart. They eventually would have lost their heart as well, but with a trick learned from Galatea, both of them were able to return.

So Galatea was the first claymore we saw to assist someone back from their limit with youki manipulation, and she was skeptical it would even work. Raphaela failed at it with her sister, but must know the mechanics. The half awakened, especially Clare and Deneve, have been over their limit many times and returned without help. I think what Galatea did once by guessing, she can do again by planning. I think both Galatea and Raphaela are capable of forming a soul link with a half awakened claymore because it may not require PERFECT youki alignment. I don't think it would be easy by any means, and I can't imagine they would enjoy training with it either. There really needs to be a set up for them to get it done right, otherwise they will lose people like Jean in Pieta.

... and I want to know what Clare's fully awakened form is. And Mirias.

[Chendzeea Li]

Well if the soul link occurs with any of the hero characters they'd have to be very close. Mentally or physically as in lovers or sisters. I'm just worried that Clare will soul link with Raki. Predicatable and unwanted. More likely, Raphalea will teach Clare the technique. She's the obvious choice, allthough the technique could very well be the secret Miria discovered, very unlikely.

Concerning Miria it was said she's improved far more than any of the seven, which is saying a lot considering what Clare has done. Though I doubt Clare would wish to over extend like that again.

Galatea and Clare's ability are very similar, it would be intresting if they linked somehow, monsterously over powered and out of character. I think instead, Galatea will serve as another mentor for Clare in the end. She simply is too powerful at this point to continue as she is. I highly suspect Riful will get ahold of her at some point.

[Chendzeea Li]

Hopefully Clare's awakened form won't be all spidery and lopsided as it appears so far. Her fight with Rigardo had her looking quite the jumble of pointy bits. Monsterous and scary yes, but not the beautiful engine of the elegant destruction we know her to become. But then agian, now that I think about it, Clare is anything but elegant, she's more like a bullet than a sword. Barrel in at full speed and blow apart anything in her path. So perhaps the tazmanian gerbil ball of doom she turned into is very close to final apperance.

Miria, I have no clue.

[evil_kenshin]

but then were assuming something here that they have any plans to soul link, for one its to dangerous Miria and the others would never accept awakening

I also don't think anyone has the proper bonds to do a soul link, since the requirement is:
1. they have to be made from the same yoma (alicia and beth were givin half of the same yoma in them)
2.have a strong bond between them
3. be emotionless drones

Now even if going by the theory Isley turns Raki into a half-yoma it certainly won't be made from the same one as the one that made Theresa which Clare has inside her (plus the third requirement is not met in either case)

I think its just a show of force of how strong the organization is and how it must be overcome, but not something the "heroes" will use back

[BaalChaamon]

Concerning Miria it was said she's improved far more than any of the seven, which is saying a lot considering what Clare has done. Though I doubt Clare would wish to over extend like that again.


On what are you basing this?We haven't seen any of the 7 Survivors put on a serious fight against a serious opponent except for the little tech vs tech session of Miria and Clare which I just see as both improving in their respective fields of expertise.

All they have done so far was escape Riful in a limited sight terrain which doesn't say alot about their comparative combat effectiveness.

I doubt (and hope) that Galatea will die already, she has yet to meet Clare and pass on her knowledge and expertise onto her.Also, she is the No.1 candidate for whatever Riful has planned (Yoki-reanimation of the dead or whatever it is). Her Yoki alignment skill will be extremely helpful when Clare decides to go into Queen of Blades modus again.

[Noelle]

(...) allthough the technique could very well be the secret Miria discovered, very unlikely.
(...)

Yeah, it's a no, because when Helen asked about Alicia and Beth, Miria mentioned Alicia had been somehow completed, using her twin sister Beth, indicating she doesn't know.

I still think there might be a way to improvise a soul link, despite all that. While a strong bond would probably still be needed, it may be possible to replace the requirement of the same Yoki from the same Yoma with Yoki alignment somehow, and perhaps suppress their own self, in some way.

But if that happens, it will certainly be very risky and unpredictable.

[zhoutai753]

galatea and clare should do soul link and become lovers

[Chendzeea Li]

On what are you basing this?We haven't seen any of the 7 Survivors put on a serious fight against a serious opponent except for the little tech vs tech session of Miria and Clare which I just see as both improving in their respective fields of expertise.

All they have done so far was escape Riful in a limited sight terrain which doesn't say alot about their comparative combat effectiveness.

I doubt (and hope) that Galatea will die already, she has yet to meet Clare and pass on her knowledge and expertise onto her.Also, she is the No.1 candidate for whatever Riful has planned (Yoki-reanimation of the dead or whatever it is). Her Yoki alignment skill will be extremely helpful when Clare decides to go into Queen of Blades modus again.

I base this on the girls having said as much about Miria. Something along the lines of. "She's grown more than any of us."

[ArmisaelXVIII]

I base this on the girls having said as much about Miria. Something along the lines of. "She's grown more than any of us."

I think Deneve said that in Pieta, but it was before they went 'missing'.

[Chendzeea Li]

Tisk, I confused the conversation they had while Clare and Miria dueled with the Deneve converstaion. My mistake I'll bother you guys no more ^_^

[cf18]

The only one Clare may one day 'soul link' with is Teresa.

[Devilz911]

Methinks Riful is going to come. And Agatha turns out to be #2 in her generation, that'd be cool. I wanna see them fight.

[irvinethearcher]

So Galatea was the first claymore we saw to assist someone back from their limit with youki manipulation, and she was skeptical it would even work. Raphaela failed at it with her sister, but must know the mechanics. The half awakened, especially Clare and Deneve, have been over their limit many times and returned without help. I think what Galatea did once by guessing, she can do again by planning. I think both Galatea and Raphaela are capable of forming a soul link with a half awakened claymore because it may not require PERFECT youki alignment. I don't think it would be easy by any means, and I can't imagine they would enjoy training with it either. There really needs to be a set up for them to get it done right, otherwise they will lose people like Jean in Pieta.

... and I want to know what Clare's fully awakened form is. And Mirias.


I think that somekind of soul linking with clare could work (but it will be in the end and not so soon) because if

-Raphaela and Galatea trying to help Clare to fully awaken together
-Clare is half awaken and did awaken body parts on her own=> she has experience
-Clare is 3/4 human, this could make a difference too

I think it is not the same soul link that alicia and beth have but it is some kind of help for clare. But to master it IMO clare have to train for a long time perhaps with galatea or raphaela or both of them and this kind of training will make clare detectable for the org because she have to release massive amounts of yoma energy.
This is all pure speculation and there are many "if's".

[Fenrir_Magnus]

I don't know... but I'm seeing a relationship between:

1) Clare having a part of Teresa inside (in a way... they share the same yoki).

2) Soul link so far has only worked with TWIN claymores sharing yoki.

3) The TWIN goddesses are called Clare and Teresa.
I know Clare and Teresa (the characters not the goddesses) weren't related but maybe the fact that they share names with the twin goddesses isn't just a coincidence and the author intends to give that symbology a deeper meaning later in the story.

[Defiled one]

Clare is a little stronger than a number 2 awakened but still, you´re giving her big credit.
Riful can beat the crap out of her, if it was a mano a mano fight of course and without cheating.
Clare is a failed "prototype" series that is too unstable to be reliable, plus Clare is a anti-social.

I doubt that she will make a soul link, probably awaken but still...Her awakened form was something of flesh growing cancer that had yet to mature. Her left arm was twitching in to "something" what began as a claw "Like Ophelia`s" turned in to something else. Clare´s gonna be the death of them all if they aren´t carefull enough.

Clare = Anakin Skywalker "Insert Darth Vader theme":rolleyes:

[irvinethearcher]

Perhaps you are right with the clare, theresa thing and the author intended to do something like this from the beginning. But does the soul of theresa have survived in the flesh which was implanted in clare?
Something clare said in one of the last chapters(69?):
"The many souls i have inside me won't forgive me the time i've spend here in peace already";)
It's far fetched but i wanted to mention it.


Clare is a failed "prototype" series that is too unstable to be reliable, plus Clare is a anti-social.


That's because i like her the most, even more than galatea ;)
But she saved the asses of her comrades two times and i don't think she is so unstable. I think the opposite is the case.

[redmeat]

I imagine Clare's awakened form to be a giant dungeness crab on goat legs :D

Twin goddesses of love, twins, soul link... Maybe love is the secret to a stable soul link. Yeah, maybe Clare has to sleep with someone :p

[Defiled one]

I imagine Clare's awakened form to be a giant dungeness crab on goat legs :D

Twin goddesses of love, twins, soul link... Maybe love is the secret to a stable soul link. Yeah, maybe Clare has to sleep with someone :p


Actually, Clare´s form is probably gonna be of a succubus:rolleyes: The horse legs may be a hint.

Probably ending with a "Fallen Angel" versus "Original Evil" showdown with Clare and Priscilla

[King Lycan]

did i miss anything

[Siegzon Caritas]

galatea and clare should do soul link and become lovers

Hentai is two doors down on the right; take a left past AMG :eyespin::p

[Seska]

Well, i think i know, why Galatea is smiling...


She successfully archived the thing, what she was doing about before Miata used her Youki. "Shit, i was almost close enough!". Perhaps she used some secret new technique... Force Body Control of a "little" Claymore, like guide a Sword into right place and speed.... Galatea has the fighting experience, Miata the muscles. Combine these two for the fight with the AB.....

We saw this technique on some northern Campaign AB.... you remember?

But, then there is the risk that the Medium will try to go overlimit to break free. Like Clare and Deneve has done it... (Hope "Mama" will calm down the Child")

[BaalChaamon]

Well, i think i know, why Galatea is smiling...


She successfully archived the thing, what she was doing about before Miata used her Youki. "Shit, i was almost close enough!". Perhaps she used some secret new technique... Force Body Control of a "little" Claymore, like guide a Sword into right place and speed.... Galatea has the fighting experience, Miata the muscles. Combine these two for the fight with the AB.....

We saw this technique on some northern Campaign AB.... you remember?

But, then there is the risk that the Medium will try to go overlimit to break free. Like Clare and Deneve has done it... (Hope "Mama" will calm down the Child")


Interesting point there Seska, definitely something to consider.

[Casshern]

I have a feeling that Clare will show up in Rabona and help Gallatea. But somehow this seems completely illogical.

I would've thought that Clare is heading towards the village near Riful's lair. She's looking for Raki, and Raki drew the statue of the twin goddesses in the cell, which is in that town near Riful. I don't think he drew it as evidence that he had been in that cell, in the northlands, but as a clue for Clare about where he was going.

So, unless Rabona is on the way towards that town near Riful's lair, it doesn't seem reasonable that Clare should suddenly show up in Rabona.


About Clare and Clarice, obviously there is a name similarity. Also, Clare is only 1/4 youma and Clarice isn't a normal claymore either. I wouldn't be so quick to say that Clarice is a failed claymore. I'm guessing she's another experiment, like Clare. Maybe Clarice was made using a small amount of Miata's flesh and blood, which would explain their connection.

[Fate_Archer]

Yeah, 9 pages already. :)

Well, awesome chapter. Introduction of an interesting and powerful AB, organized action of Rabona's army and the most especial, Galatea showing her awesome skills. :D
People already talked about Agatha, Cid, and every other thing, so lets skip to Galatea here. :p

Galatea is amazing. In this chapter, after saving Cid, she fought against Agatha and Miata at the same time. That's the current stage of this battle, it's 1x2, since Clarice still has the Org's mentality messing with her rationales.
Dodging, defending herself against Miata, manipulating the blows of the awakened former #2 (though Agatha quickly overcame her manipulation), and even saving others, Galatea showed us great skills at her new found senses, even acting preemptively, like the moment Galatea dodged when Miata quickly appeared again from behind, after she was thrown far away.
But the combined forces of the non-allies opponents ended taking one of her arms.
Even though the situation became critical, she didn't lose her smile and even say witty things using the ambiguity of Agatha's sentence.

But it's in Galatea's calmness that dwells my thinking.
In this chapter she revealed why she let Miata and Clarice approach, and according to her, she hid her yoki and lured the Organization to send soldiers strong enough to handle her, in order to beat Agatha.
She even says that she was disappointed that they only sent two warriors, though Miata is strong enough to compensate it.

Lets say things went as planned and Agatha was defeated. Now there would be Galatea and a bunch of powerful soldiers strong enough to take her. It's not like everyone is as kind-hearted as herself to make a truce after meeting a powerful awakened being and cover the report to the Organization, especially if they are single digits strong enough to take her down.
Galatea is definitely stronger, but looking at her attitude, she is confident enough to even face the consequences of her plans.
In chapter 74, Galatea hinted that even though Miata's yoki surpasses hers, it doesn't mean that Miata is stronger.
Also, Galatea's revelation also means that she is holding herself against Miata, since she needs to collaborate with her to beat Agatha. That's likely why she hasn't done any offensive moves against Miata up till now, it was her objective since the start to fight along with her, though it seems that the things aren't going as planned.

All of this hints to something... like other people have speculated, Galatea probably has a card up her sleeve.
Galatea could reveal that she has half-awakened during these 7 years, being much more stronger.
As Riful said, she has full control of her releases, so passing her limit and going back could be possible for her.

Or Galatea just hasn't showed her full strength yet. Up till now, she only has concentrated yoki on her right arm to throw Miata away, not a big deal.

Whatever it is, she will have to resort to it, at the current stage, it's still Miata and Agatha against her with Miata coming for another attack, and she also lost one arm.
If she is hiding something, we will probably know in the next chapter.

Well, i think i know, why Galatea is smiling...


She successfully archived the thing, what she was doing about before Miata used her Youki. "Shit, i was almost close enough!". Perhaps she used some secret new technique... Force Body Control of a "little" Claymore, like guide a Sword into right place and speed.... Galatea has the fighting experience, Miata the muscles. Combine these two for the fight with the AB.....

We saw this technique on some northern Campaign AB.... you remember?

But, then there is the risk that the Medium will try to go overlimit to break free. Like Clare and Deneve has done it... (Hope "Mama" will calm down the Child")


Another possibility, a yoki alignment so well done that could enable almost full control of Miata's motions, like what the AB in the Northern Campaign did.
But like I said, whatever it is, we will probably find out next chapter, given her current situation.

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Now my expectations about Galatea's future in the story:

I definitely think she won't die.

If she won't continue with her lone crusader agenda in the story, I have the feeling that she will join Riful.

Besides all the highlighting that she would have if she joined fab7, she always did her missions and appeared alone.
Galatea always struck us with her lone impression, before appearing in Rabona.
If she continues as a lone wanderer, maybe she could help fab7 from time to time in difficult situations, always appearing on the right moments.
But definitely not a fixed member.


As for Galatea joining Riful... though Galatea is definitely not the type that would join an AB in any occasion, Riful could be an exception.
Riful not only has showed that she is not a frenetic guts eater, on the contrary, she acts gently (sometimes even acquiescently) and courteously, for AB standards. She is definitively different.
And they both are very intelligent characters, they could reach an agreement given the power imbalance circumstances, I can see Galatea joining Riful with strict conditions which Riful would accept, possibly even unwillingly at certain points, but she would end up accepting, she really needs Galatea after all.

Galatea is the last and most important piece of the equation Riful is setting, and besides being the most talented manipulator around she is a high caliber warrior, everything that Riful could want.
If going into this (unavoidable) war means that she can save other people, and possibly make a future peace agreement with the remaining Abyssal, that would be Riful if they win, then Galatea could possibly accept. Sounds attractive enough for her, I think.

It all depends on Galatea's morals and Riful's approach.

Galatea was introduced in such a way, that it really doesn't look like she is going to die anytime soon. Unlike characters in the northern campaign, Galatea has much more screen time and importance to the story.
I can't see Galatea dying now, I think she has an important role to play yet. And I think it's probably related to Riful.

One of the great importances of Galatea to the story, is that she could be the key to the balance of powers.

[chibamonster]

Good idea Seska. I'm sure Galatea learned something about youki control from watching Alicia and Beth. I wonder if the "thing" Riful is looking for has even been shown yet? We have seen youki manipulation in many ways from Galatea controlling Duff, to Clare and Jean bringing each other back from awakening, the awakened in Pieta causing others to awaken, and the twins doing a successful soul link. I doubt that Riful's "thing" is any of those, but it would certainly be related to them. Soul link is the process of intrusting a human soul to another claymore for safe keeping. Maybe you can steal a claymore soul as well?

As for all the comments about how Clare would have to love someone to do something like a soul link, I humbly disagree (eeep! don't kill the chiba!), mostly because the first 2 times we saw someone brought back from over their limit by youki manipulation they had no feelings for each other besides necessity. Clare had no relationship with Jean when she first met her and while Galatea had saved Clare from being crushed by Duff they were by no means friends.

Also I don't think perfect youki manipulation is necessary for a half awakened claymore. I mean come on, Jean kept her human heart inside a FULLY awakened body WITHOUT a soul link and was able to return with Clare's help, and Clare isn't even good at youki manipulation. She was just imitating what Galatea had just done a few minutes before, and Galatea didn't even think it would work. Miria attributed this to Jean's strength of character which I would agree with. When Jean brought Queen of Blade's Clare back, they worked together to align their youki to each other. Jean was never seen as a youki manipulator and is definitely not comparable to Galatea. I think that helping someone who is half awake back would be much easier (but still very very difficult, dangerous, and risky) than the soul link that has taken a life time of training. Especially if you look at Clare and Deneve, who have been over their limit a number of times, once together while seemingly meditating through it (the youki manipulator in Pieta).

While it may not technically be a "soul link" all that needs to happen is get a claymore back from their awakening. Whether it is a genuine soul link or not is debatable, but it would have a simmilar result; return to normal and don't eat humans. It may not technically be a soul link if they don't become a puppet, but I am okay with that. Maybe I should name it the "awakened-to-claymore-sleight-of-youki-hat-trick" instead of a "soul-link" to avoid confusion.

I agree with the Teresa & Clare connection. I wondered if during the Slashers arc Clare were somehow diving into Teresa's memories and learning more of her techniques. Clare got good at youki sensing AFTER her half awakening. She had to Sniff out the Zaki youma, and in one of her next battles she didn't sense the flying youma until it was almost on top of her. And her ability improved an incredible amount when she fought the six armed Goro-lizzard awakened. After that she could sense youma like CrAZy! Her flashback of Teresa had to have some meaning besides a pleasant dream because we have never seen another dream for any character. We've seen memories, but I think the artist was indicating that something was happening with Clare at that moment.

[King Lycan]

Man for a second when Agatha said that she was the former 2nd i thought she was irene and i was scared for a sec

[xVxObliVioNxVx]

So Agath was the former #2. Do we by any chance know what generation she was from? Perhaps the one before Teresa?

[chibamonster]

I'm not sure how far away the generations are spaced, but Agatha could be older than Raphaela, which would place her at least a few generations before Teresa. I'm not sure if Raphaela was the generation before Teresa, but she was number 2 of one of the other generations.

She is obviously famous though in that Galatea knew her name. She must have quite a history to be this well known. Only a few awakened beings have this kind of infamy. Namely with the Abyssal Ones and Rigald, where Miria freaked out when Rigald walked into Pieta.

[Vulcannis]

I imagine Clare's awakened form to be a giant dungeness crab on goat legs :D

One thing I noticed was that during Clare's partial awakening, her awakened form was very specific to what she wanted for the battle. She wanted to go fast, so she grew legs that made her ridiculously quick. When that wasn't enough and she needed maneuverability, she grew an arm that could provide it. When her quicksword proved insufficient, she grew more blades.

Now it could be just because that's what the story called for, but to me that seems too specific. What if when awakening (maybe just partially?) the claymore can direct the form their body will take? And what would be cooler is what if the returning to normal resets those choices, allowing them to pick differently next time? That would make partially awakened like Claire incredibly versatile compared to "vanilla" AB's. Sacrifice raw power for utility. Now if only they could get a more surefire way of returning to normal worked out...

[zato_1one]

I thought that Clare's group comes to save the day is not out of the question. Considering that they encountered with Riful in previous chapter so who knows they may still be in the west.

But I prefer Riful comes to help and makes a temporary ally with Galatea. :naughty:

[azurie]

Good idea Seska. I'm sure Galatea learned something about youki control from watching Alicia and Beth. I wonder if the "thing" Riful is looking for has even been shown yet? We have seen youki manipulation in many ways from Galatea controlling Duff, to Clare and Jean bringing each other back from awakening, the awakened in Pieta causing others to awaken, and the twins doing a successful soul link. I doubt that Riful's "thing" is any of those, but it would certainly be related to them. Soul link is the process of intrusting a human soul to another claymore for safe keeping. Maybe you can steal a claymore soul as well?

As for all the comments about how Clare would have to love someone to do something like a soul link, I humbly disagree (eeep! don't kill the chiba!), mostly because the first 2 times we saw someone brought back from over their limit by youki manipulation they had no feelings for each other besides necessity. Clare had no relationship with Jean when she first met her and while Galatea had saved Clare from being crushed by Duff they were by no means friends.

Also I don't think perfect youki manipulation is necessary for a half awakened claymore. I mean come on, Jean kept her human heart inside a FULLY awakened body WITHOUT a soul link and was able to return with Clare's help, and Clare isn't even good at youki manipulation. She was just imitating what Galatea had just done a few minutes before, and Galatea didn't even think it would work. Miria attributed this to Jean's strength of character which I would agree with. When Jean brought Queen of Blade's Clare back, they worked together to align their youki to each other. Jean was never seen as a youki manipulator and is definitely not comparable to Galatea. I think that helping someone who is half awake back would be much easier (but still very very difficult, dangerous, and risky) than the soul link that has taken a life time of training. Especially if you look at Clare and Deneve, who have been over their limit a number of times, once together while seemingly meditating through it (the youki manipulator in Pieta).

While it may not technically be a "soul link" all that needs to happen is get a claymore back from their awakening. Whether it is a genuine soul link or not is debatable, but it would have a simmilar result; return to normal and don't eat humans. It may not technically be a soul link if they don't become a puppet, but I am okay with that. Maybe I should name it the "awakened-to-claymore-sleight-of-youki-hat-trick" instead of a "soul-link" to avoid confusion.

I agree with the Teresa & Clare connection. I wondered if during the Slashers arc Clare were somehow diving into Teresa's memories and learning more of her techniques. Clare got good at youki sensing AFTER her half awakening. She had to Sniff out the Zaki youma, and in one of her next battles she didn't sense the flying youma until it was almost on top of her. And her ability improved an incredible amount when she fought the six armed Goro-lizzard awakened. After that she could sense youma like CrAZy! Her flashback of Teresa had to have some meaning besides a pleasant dream because we have never seen another dream for any character. We've seen memories, but I think the artist was indicating that something was happening with Clare at that moment.
i think you forgot about the time when clare was in rabona and almost awakened and raki clasped ahold of her and prevented it. There was an emotional tie then that helped stop her awakening at that time all be it a small one but still a small emotional tie of some form.

[FateAnomaly]

One thing I noticed was that during Clare's partial awakening, her awakened form was very specific to what she wanted for the battle. She wanted to go fast, so she grew legs that made her ridiculously quick. When that wasn't enough and she needed maneuverability, she grew an arm that could provide it. When her quicksword proved insufficient, she grew more blades.

Now it could be just because that's what the story called for, but to me that seems too specific. What if when awakening (maybe just partially?) the claymore can direct the form their body will take? And what would be cooler is what if the returning to normal resets those choices, allowing them to pick differently next time? That would make partially awakened like Claire incredibly versatile compared to "vanilla" AB's. Sacrifice raw power for utility. Now if only they could get a more surefire way of returning to normal worked out...

I don't think she can control what her awakened form is. It just happened that that is the form she had. Anyway, notice that her 2 arms awaken differently since 1 belong to Irene. So i don't think they can control its form.

[chibamonster]

i think you forgot about the time when clare was in rabona and almost awakened and raki clasped ahold of her and prevented it. There was an emotional tie then that helped stop her awakening at that time all be it a small one but still a small emotional tie of some form.

Agreed, emotion plays a big part in not awakening. Miria didn't want to give Ophelia the satisfaction of letting her awaken after she had just killed her own friend, so it may not even be positive emotions that have an effect. Jean was stalwart in her belief that she would rather die than awaken. Deneve didn't have any help when she awakened after the 6 arm awakened, but she had the necessity of either regenerating or dying.

I think most of these events tie into why the half awakened released their youki in the first place. Going over a limit requires some extreme circumstances; being near death and protecting a friend (Clare), extreme sorrow and dispair (Miria, Ophelia, and Priscilla), torture (Jean), life or death regeneration (Deneve), or revenge (Clare, several times). Undine cried when she got close to her limit, so I would imagine that strong emotions are almost always present as the possibility of losing their human heart gets closer. The Fab 4 were able to return from being over their limit by emotion and will the first time. Jean needed a youki stabilizer to bring her back.

Emotion also ties into youki manipulation, as seen with Galatea fighting Duff. Sometimes someone can just be overwhelmed as seen in Pieta when the manipulator forced Clare and Deneve to awaken. It just didn't matter to them because they knew how to get back. But I would imagine that strong emotion could make up for a weak youki link to make returning from a full awakening even MORE possible if the human heart was engaged by love or some other strong emotion. If they didn't want to return though, I think even a near perfect soul link would have its issues. That would mean that there are even more candidates for a soul link return than I mentioned before. Helen and Deve could form one as well.

Although I think Clare is the real powerhouse if she were to awaken; her partially awakened form dusted the floor with a lion mop. But with training maybe they can all increase their awakened power like Alicia did.

If youki really can transfer the soul of one claymore to another then it isn't surprising that youki is heavily affected by the emotions of a claymore. Youki really may be the soul of the claymore.

[Sauzer]

Well here my thoughts about the things right now.

For one I hope to see Raphaela or Riful coming to Rabona soon (or both). And I sure hope that fab7 WON'T come to Rabona or atleast not until it's too late to change the outcome. Although arriving just to see Galatea being killed by Miata could be a nice touch ^^

I think that while Galatea would be of interest to Riful I'm sure that she's not her main target, but rather Miata. Think about it - an unstable claymore with potential to surpass in rank an awakened number 1 (who Riful said to be the new abyssal one)! What more could she wish for?

[Sassarai]

Depends if you think the org meant surpassing a non awake or an awakened number 1. Being as strong as an Abyssal one without Miata having awakening herself would be crazy. Seems to me Riful wants Galatea more since she has a plan up her sleeves that requires a great yoki sensor.

[Sauzer]

Depends if you think the org meant surpassing a non awake or an awakened number 1. Being as strong as an Abyssal one without Miata having awakening herself would be crazy. Seems to me Riful wants Galatea more since she has a plan up her sleeves that requires a great yoki sensor.

Well trying to awaken her would be even crazyer. Miata meets none of the conditions for a soul link. And I think Riful needed a great yoki sensor to find her.

[evil_kenshin]

I think that while Galatea would be of interest to Riful I'm sure that she's not her main target, but rather Miata. Think about it - an unstable claymore with potential to surpass in rank an awakened number 1 (who Riful said to be the new abyssal one)! What more could she wish for?

i'm a bit confused by this line, Riful was refering to the alica & beth duo (when alica goes into awakened mode) , not Miata

unless it was mentioned somewhere else?

[Sauzer]

i'm a bit confused by this line, Riful was refering to the alica & beth duo (when alica goes into awakened mode) , not Miata

unless it was mentioned somewhere else?

yeah it turned out a bit confusing but I meant alicia and beth.

[evil_kenshin]

yeah it turned out a bit confusing but I meant alicia and beth.

ahh i get you, the only problem is what use is a AB to Riful if it can't be controlled, Riful doesn't want AB's who don't do what she wants, anyone that doesn't obey her plans she counts as enemies

[Sassarai]

I doubt Riful is searching for Miata by using a good yoki sensor. She didnt even want Rachael or Bart Simpson much. She said something like "I guess having more won't hurt". Besides Miata probably won't follow orders even if she's awakened. She seems unstable enough as a Claymore.

[redmeat]

One thing I noticed was that during Clare's partial awakening, her awakened form was very specific to what she wanted for the battle. She wanted to go fast, so she grew legs that made her ridiculously quick. When that wasn't enough and she needed maneuverability, she grew an arm that could provide it. When her quicksword proved insufficient, she grew more blades.

Now it could be just because that's what the story called for, but to me that seems too specific. What if when awakening (maybe just partially?) the claymore can direct the form their body will take? And what would be cooler is what if the returning to normal resets those choices, allowing them to pick differently next time? That would make partially awakened like Claire incredibly versatile compared to "vanilla" AB's. Sacrifice raw power for utility. Now if only they could get a more surefire way of returning to normal worked out...

If claymores could indeed direct their awakened forms, it would be cool if Alicia and Beth have other awakened/partially-awakened forms that have yet to be revealed. As for Clare, I'm really hoping that it's actually an angelic form (instead of a bidpedal crab) and maybe some former claymore or MIB would eventually reveal the secret of the twin goddesses of love as being the first primordial natural/unnatural hybrids that have successfully soul linked to fight against some evil force.

[irvinethearcher]

ahh i get you, the only problem is what use is a AB to Riful if it can't be controlled, Riful doesn't want AB's who don't do what she wants, anyone that doesn't obey her plans she counts as enemies


[Speculation on]
That's a good idea. Riful wants an AO which has no will on it's own and which can be controlled by yoki - manipulators. That's because she wants as many warriors who can manipulate the flow of yoki as possible. She wants to kill beth and let alicia fight for her like a puppet master.
[Speculation off]

To farfetched?

[evil_kenshin]

[Speculation on]
That's a good idea. Riful wants an AO which has no will on it's own and which can be controlled by yoki - manipulators. That's because she wants as many warriors who can manipulate the flow of yoki as possible. She wants to kill beth and let alicia fight for her like a puppet master.
[Speculation off]

To farfetched?

it would be believable, or even more to Riful's benefit, end up somehow with both (one of the male scouts of Isleys had the ability to force an awakening so no doubt another yoki manipulator which Riful is searching for could do that)

While im not sure how Alica compares to the strength of Priscilla (all were told is similar to Priscilla , Alicia is stronger than a abysmal one )

but at this point in time Riful is struggling to catch up against two of the four powers in the world (the 7 arn't really a threat to her, more their a source of possible "allies" in her mind)

[BaalChaamon]

it would be believable, or even more to Riful's benefit, end up somehow with both (one of the male scouts of Isleys had the ability to force an awakening so no doubt another yoki manipulator which Riful is searching for could do that)

While im not sure how Alica compares to the strength of Priscilla (all were told is similar to Priscilla , Alicia is stronger than a abysmal one )

but at this point in time Riful is struggling to catch up against two of the four powers in the world (the 7 arn't really a threat to her, more their a source of possible "allies" in her mind)

The 7 survivors arent a power in their own right just yet.Without Clare going Queen of Blade modus they pretty much shrink before the might of the established powers.Out of all those Riful seems to be in the weakest position now that the Org has means to somewhat control Miata and develop her further if needs must.

Here's a thought, maybe it is possible to entrust someone with their own Yoki much like it is possible to relocate one's soul in the fashion Alicia and Beth do it (those two are just awesome :D) for which Riful needs a sophisticated Yoki manipulator/reader. She doesnt want a mindless puppet she would get rather bored with.Besides I doubt that other than Miata(if awakened?), Priscilla, Isley and Alicia&Beth there are none to rival her power as of current so regardless of how strong her new ally would be she would still be a pawn to her.

[Fenrir_valindri]

it would be believable, or even more to Riful's benefit, end up somehow with both (one of the male scouts of Isleys had the ability to force an awakening so no doubt another yoki manipulator which Riful is searching for could do that)

While im not sure how Alica compares to the strength of Priscilla (all were told is similar to Priscilla , Alicia is stronger than a abysmal one )

but at this point in time Riful is struggling to catch up against two of the four powers in the world (the 7 arn't really a threat to her, more their a source of possible "allies" in her mind)

Actually, we have only been told by Riful that Alicia is like a new Abyssal One, impying that her power is equal to the current Abyssal Ones, as in inferior to Priscilla.

The Organization stated she was the strongest #1, but you have to remember that when warriors are awakened they are no longer considered part of the Organization, while Alicia is still part of the Organization.

If Riful managed to disrupt the Soul-Link between Alicia and Beth it is possible she could gain two powerful puppets, and possibly even the playing field against Isley.

Edit: In resposne to Baal

I don't think Riful cares much about them being boring at this point, she is in danger of being wiped out by Isley, so she will use whatever means she can in order to level the playing field, even stealing the twins from the Organization if possible.

[BaalChaamon]

Edit: In resposne to Baal

I don't think Riful cares much about them being boring at this point, she is in danger of being wiped out by Isley, so she will use whatever means she can in order to level the playing field, even stealing the twins from the Organization if possible.

It would suit her playfull character :D
Regardless, what she wants/or not wants in her new allies personality wise, things are as dire as they seem.True the power system has shifted greatly but she seems confident enough to tweak the situation in soon time as the only force that could wipe her out without fear of massive losses themselves havent made a move for 7 years.

[Valerian Mengsk]

I can see the fab 7 helping Riful in this matter, perhaps inadverntly, but still helping.
A) They want revenge against the Org for all they have done, and probably want to liberate their Claymore companions from Org rule (maybe)
B) Having the Org lose control of Alicia and Beth would be a major steping stone for Riful and the fab 7.
C) Since they have already refused to join with Riful, I can see Riful using them by manipulating events so that they attack the Org and thusly Alicia and Beth. while they are fighting Alicia Riful can kidnap Beth and force her to a) awaken, b)stop the soul-link, c) return Alicia to Claymore form allowing the fab 7 to subdue her.
D) It would be an very cool read because we would see how the fab 7 stack up to an Abbysal ones power.

Side Note: After the battle, the fab 7 might to run for it or fight Riful because Riful would consider them a threat since they can succesfully battle an AB.

Just speculating...

[Negativedark]

I did a reveiw for the chapter on my Blog at http://negadarkwingswhateverreviews.blogspot.com/
Check it out if your interested.
You know if Claris and Maita don't help Galetea out, it could be a PR nightmare for the Organization.

[Gooral]

(...) Riful can kidnap Beth and force her to a) awaken, b)stop the soul-link, c) return Alicia to Claymore form allowing the fab 7 to subdue her.
(...)
Kidnapping Alicia or Beth by the fab 7 is impossible I think (it's extremely powerful #1 who has equally powerful sister in the near distance). Even Riful would have problems with it and I don't think she would risk taking on other AO in a fair fight. Also I can't see a purpose in kidnapping her or striking the organization (not now at least). They have Isley and Priscilla to worry about.
As we've seen twins are never alone, they have their commanders nearby and I don't think that they're just for telling them what to do. We've seen in Extra Scene 4 that they weren't scared of youma (MiB was alone, how would he know that youma wouldn't attack him, also it looked that he was good at detecting youki, Rubel on the other hand had shown his strength when he took claymore effortlesly). Alicia and Beth are too valuable for them to let it happen so they must have taken approppriate measures in case sth like that happened. Taking control over them would be impossible, otherwise, if that was that easy MiB would just try to make a claymore who could control Riful, Priscilla or Isley.
Stopping the soul link would give Riful nothing besides uncertain new enemy who could go wild any time, she wouldn't be so stupid to do so.

[Chendzeea Li]

The notion that Riful wants to capture Galatea and use her to control Alicia and Beth via her augmented Yoki control is scary indeed. Especially considering how much stronger said ability would be if she were to awaken.

[FateAnomaly]

Riful don't need to control Alicia and Beth. Simply disrupt their soul link will cause Alicia to go out of control. While Beth is in a unstable state, make her awaken too for double the fun.

[evil_kenshin]

she does in a way since it would be an important trump card in her battle against Isley & Priscilla

2 abysmal ones (Riful & Alicia) + one with equal power to an abysmal one (Beth) + a number 3 (duff) versus one abysmal one (Isley) & one stronger than an abysmal one (Priscilla)

it would certainly close the gap between the two groups and cause an interesting situation on who would come out on top

though this is unlikely to happen since its clare who needs to kill Priscilla

[chibamonster]

With all the powerful unstable claymores running around things really could go nuts at any time. The balance of power seems to be kept in check mostly by ignorance of the truly powerful parties. If Priscilla, Alicia, Beth, Miata, or Raphaela got some ideas of their own who knows what would happen. Especially if they formed aliances or started awakening. Awakening seems less likely.

Also we have Clare who could really mess things up, along with Galatea who could learn whatever trick Riful is looking for.

[Gooral]

Riful don't need to control Alicia and Beth. Simply disrupt their soul link will cause Alicia to go out of control. While Beth is in a unstable state, make her awaken too for double the fun.
Old enemy, who we know is better than new one, unknown.
Alicia and Beth when awakened could go on rampage and make Riful their target, until however they're under organization's control they will act logically.
Making Beth to awaken would result in creating Awakened Beings > Priscilla, that wouldn't be wise.

[FateAnomaly]

Old enemy, who we know is better than new one, unknown.
Alicia and Beth when awakened could go on rampage and make Riful their target, until however they're under organization's control they will act logically.
Making Beth to awaken would result in creating Awakened Beings > Priscilla, that wouldn't be wise.

I don't agree. All Riful had to do is to run after they awaken if she could not handle them. They will not purposeful target Riful either since they are not likely to win decisively either.

Riful need new AO level people on the field to counter Priscilla. The org is not likely to be open to discussion so just make the Alicia and Beth into neutral parties. Even if Alicia is of Priscilla caliber which i seriously doubt, it will still create a stalemate just like old times.

[Gooral]

I don't agree. All Riful had to do is to run after they awaken if she could not handle them. They will not purposeful target Riful either since they are not likely to win decisively either.
(...)
Don't know if the twins would remain silent like Luciella, Riful and Isley. Alicia+Beth in awakened forms could rival Priscilla's strength. Add to this that they love to obliterate other AB and until there is a worthy rival they're bored, I can't see Riful to start the russian roulette.
Also escaping from them would be probably impossible for Riful for two reasons:
1) They're most likely stronger than Riful or equally powerful at least (so running away from them would be difficult because they would have speed to go after her)
2) They have extremely good youki sensing ability (when Alicia said from a great distance she could deliver 50% of damage to Riful) so hiding would be difficult too for AB.

[Noelle]

I don't know... but I'm seeing a relationship between:

1) Clare having a part of Teresa inside (in a way... they share the same yoki).

2) Soul link so far has only worked with TWIN claymores sharing yoki.

3) The TWIN goddesses are called Clare and Teresa.
I know Clare and Teresa (the characters not the goddesses) weren't related but maybe the fact that they share names with the twin goddesses isn't just a coincidence and the author intends to give that symbology a deeper meaning later in the story.

Ah, sorry for quoting an 'old post', but something crossed my mind while I was reading out of boredom.

Since we do not know how Claymores are created, it may be possible that that another Claymore - be it from Clare's generation or not - was created using the same Yoma that was used to create Teresa. Perhaps the result was not as significantly strong as expected. But there can be Claymores whose Yoki is identical to Clare's, due to the fact that the same Yoma was used, however indirectly.

Don't know if the twins would remain silent like Luciella, Riful and Isley. Alicia+Beth in awakened forms could rival Priscilla's strength. Add to this that they love to obliterate other AB and until there is a worthy rival they're bored, I can't see Riful to start the russian roulette

Alicia and Beth don't seem to be able to make decisions on their own. They seem to need a handler nearby... if there isn't a handler nearby, Riful could make a move, but only if she's certain of what she's doing.

[LeftX]

I think Clare is suppose to have an easier time at coming back from an awakening than anyone else because she's only 1/4 yoma. Given that, the most likely candidates to perform a soul link with her are probably Galatea or Irene because that is her arm and her mental strength is on the same level as Jean's. The difference between Galatea and Raphaela and Beth is that Galatea is naturally talented at controlling yoma whereas that is probably not the case with the others.

On another note, I would like to see Galatea, Raphaela, and Irene join up with the Ghost 7. I'm tired of seeing really powerful warriors being hunted down just because they left the organization. The org wouldn't send someone after them if they didn't think they could win. If they just teamed up, then they probably wouldn't have to hide and there's pretty much no one the org could send after them other than maybe Alicia/Beth. Then again, I've always thought the Alicia/Beth combination is very vulnerable. All anyone needs to do is take out Beth and Alicia's control is lost. It's suppose to take all of Beth's strength to do a soul link and that was probably why they had Galatea present when Alicia was fighting all those male AB's, to guard Beth if one of them got smart.

[chibamonster]

Alicia + Beth is a strangely simmilar relationship to Miata + Clarice; lots of strength and quite a bit of instability. To the organization Miata was probably much more dangerous because she couldn't do anything reliably until recently, but in both cases there is an unknown factor which could easily backfire; a weak link that could be taken out and cause a whole lot of trouble.

[evil_kenshin]

I think Clare is suppose to have an easier time at coming back from an awakening than anyone else because she's only 1/4 yoma. Given that, the most likely candidates to perform a soul link with her are probably Galatea or Irene because that is her arm and her mental strength is on the same level as Jean's. The difference between Galatea and Raphaela and Beth is that Galatea is naturally talented at controlling yoma whereas that is probably not the case with the others.

On another note, I would like to see Galatea, Raphaela, and Irene join up with the Ghost 7. I'm tired of seeing really powerful warriors being hunted down just because they left the organization. The org wouldn't send someone after them if they didn't think they could win. If they just teamed up, then they probably wouldn't have to hide and there's pretty much no one the org could send after them other than maybe Alicia/Beth. Then again, I've always thought the Alicia/Beth combination is very vulnerable. All anyone needs to do is take out Beth and Alicia's control is lost. It's suppose to take all of Beth's strength to do a soul link and that was probably why they had Galatea present when Alicia was fighting all those male AB's, to guard Beth if one of them got smart.

well Irene won't, its almost 100% certain she's dead (even her arm that she gave Clare felt the reaction of being killed) and while slightly less sure its unlikely Raphaela is still alive (her only motivation for living was to kill her sister)

people need to realize their dead and won't be getting involved anymore (not having a go just people keep bringing up these 2)

[Fenrir_valindri]

I doubt Rafaela is dead, the only thing we have to go on is the Organizations word, and they say the 7 ghosts are dead, as is Galatea.

She does have a reason to live as well, guess who was responsible for her sister turning into a man-eating monster?

She is a prime candidate to join the 7 ghosts, as much, if not more so then Galatea.

Edit: various typo errors, man am I tired

[evil_kenshin]

I doubt Rafaela is dead, the only thing we have to go on is the Organizations word, and they say the 7 ghosts are dead, as is Galatea.

She does have a reason to live as well, guess who was responsible for her sister turning her sister into a man-eating monster?

She is a prime candidate to join the 7 ghosts, as much if not more so then Miria.

true but irene is a no show (theres no way to say she is still alive, i mean the main proof is the manga was very specific in making proven she was killed)

[Gooral]

(...)
Alicia and Beth don't seem to be able to make decisions on their own. They seem to need a handler nearby... if there isn't a handler nearby, Riful could make a move, but only if she's certain of what she's doing.
They don't need a handler to have a killing feast. All they know is how to kill, they wouldn't even have to think to do this. They don't have feelings but are not retarded, without their commanders it shouldn't take them much time to become independent, they just didn't have chance to do so.

Back on topic, I think it's safe to assume that in the next chapter Clare (as the main character) and co. will show up. It's been already 3 chapters where there was no sign of her. I don't remember if anything like that happened before. I want Clare back ;P.

[evil_kenshin]

lol well she wasn't mentioned/seen in chapters 62,63 & 64

But i doubt she'll show up, prehaps something like switching over to where they are it just feels like clare & the others arn't really needed in the scene

[Defiled one]

If they want to subdue Alicia not to mention Beth, they must have a literal titan in their command. Someone that can, with a brush of a finger, immobilize and subdue Alicia without even sweating or moving. Someone that can glance at Alicia and rip her with it´s sight.

And since this is highly inpossible, Alicia and Beth are ranked powerfull unless Priscilla is hiding her true power.

Miata is like a dog. Attack! Go get her girl! bite! Good girl!! have cookie. Style of warrior.

The fab seven? They`re good as an elite, nothing more...In no way they can defeat any Abyssal, much less Alicia.

That or the twins, by the powa! of Deus ex machina:rolleyes:, fall in love with Clare and follow her everywhere

Oh imagine the Irony!

Clare sudenly wakes up entangled. But then again. Miata is messed up in the head and Claris get´s along with her, just fine.

[irvinethearcher]

The fab seven? They`re good as an elite, nothing more...In no way they can defeat any Abyssal, much less Alicia.


I think normally you're right and normally they're trying to evade a battle with a AO
for example riful. But you don't know what they're capable of if they were pushed to her limits and have no other choice than to fight. The same you say now we all have thought before pieta with the former Number 2 Rigardo.
But on the other hand they are "ghost" and they are fast enough to escape nearly anyone, so it should be difficult to bring them in a situation in which fighting is the only option left.
I think they can do a lot of damage as guerrillas to any enemy.

[khryoleoz]

I'm wondering if Alicia has a fatal flaw in Beth. If their soul link is so volatile that the slightest external stimuli can disrupt the precise mental connection and yoki alignment needed in order for Beth to control Alicia, all one has to do is attack and try to distract Beth. In order for Alicia to function properly, the org would need to secure Beth's safety.

I think that Alicia is stronger than the AOs. It would be pointless for the org to try to come up with an answer to the AOs only to produce something that results in as far as a stalemate. If they were able to produce incredibly powerful ones as Teresa and Priscilla (and I am of the formulation that Teresa's potential is > than Priscilla's), then certainly Alicia is one who must be an effective, non-suicidal solution to opposing the Abyssals.

About the org's position regarding the fab 7, I can't say that they firmly believe they had perished. They just don't know. It's more like they ascent to the likelihood of their perishing because it is the most probable outcome of the Northern Campaign. At least Rubel seems to show some doubt about their generally presumed state. They would have learned from Irene that unless there are remains, you can't count on one being dead (so Irene and Raphaela may not be dead yet, however they have indeed served their purpose).

[Anh_Minh]

I'm wondering if Alicia has a fatal flaw in Beth. If their soul link is so volatile that the slightest external stimuli can disrupt the precise mental connection and yoki alignment needed in order for Beth to control Alicia, all one has to do is attack and try to distract Beth. In order for Alicia to function properly, the org would need to secure Beth's safety.
Probably. But, unlike what some people said, I don't think the 7 can do it. If the twins are faced with seven Claymores, they just won't use the soul link. Problem solved. After all, even without it, they're still Number 1 and 2.

I think that Alicia is stronger than the AOs.
I don't. We have no reason to think so.

It would be pointless for the org to try to come up with an answer to the AOs only to produce something that results in as far as a stalemate. If they were able to produce incredibly powerful ones as Teresa and Priscilla (and I am of the formulation that Teresa's potential is > than Priscilla's), then certainly Alicia is one who must be an effective, non-suicidal solution to opposing the Abyssals.
I'm sure it was the best they could do. So? It's not like they know how to make another Theresa or another Priscilla either, so what's your point?

[Gooral]

(...)I don't. We have no reason to think so. (...)
Actually there is one reason we can think like that (of course it doesn't mean we're right). Rubel said that Alicia is someone who can even oppose Abyssal Ones (don't think that all at once ;)) and then added: the strongest #1 in the annals was born. MiB must know Riful's, Isley's and Luciella's strength (especially Luciella's) and Alicia is stronger than them (at least definitely stronger than Luciella because the org knew her full strength).
(...) so Irene and Raphaela may not be dead yet, however they have indeed served their purpose.
As for Irene I agree she served her purpose and I don't see a reason why would she appear again (maybe just to let Clare give her arm back). Raphaela on the other hand has a lot to offer (IMO) and I would like to see her back in the story.

[khryoleoz]

The 7 are too severely handicapped in order to be one of the major powers right now. If Clare is going to be their answer, she's got a lot of work to do bringing her powers under control. I simply bring up a possible weakness in Alicia that either Riful or Isley can exploit and thus defeat her.

The org is of the belief that they have achieved their goal with Alicia. They could be wrong, but I find no reason to think that they don't know how to produce warriors stronger than their past ones. The more one does something the better one gets at doing it. Teresa and Priscilla may be indications of such progress, though they might just as well have been freak experiments which results were unpredicted. I'm inclined to think both. But judging by the org's prototype Abyssal threat, Luciela, who was a close match for Isley and whose power can be weighed by looking at Raphaela who was said to equal her, we find that the org rated Alicia stronger than her in all areas that count, yoki content, agility, strength, etc.. We should expect that to translate into better performance than Luciela who still managed to inflict upon Isley some serious damage.

[FateAnomaly]

Actually there is one reason we can think like that (of course it doesn't mean we're right). Rubel said that Alicia is someone who can even oppose Abyssal Ones (don't think that all at once ;)) and then added: the strongest #1 in the annals was born. MiB must know Riful's, Isley's and Luciella's strength (especially Luciella's) and Alicia is stronger than them (at least definitely stronger than Luciella because the org knew her full strength).


Thats taking what they say a little too literally. She is strongest in a way cos she is fully focus on the fight. No feelings and emotion, she don't even say anything extra. She also always fight at 100% power unlike other claymore who have to watch their yoki usage level.

[Gooral]

Thats taking what they say a little too literally. She is strongest in a way cos she is fully focus on the fight. No feelings and emotion, she don't even say anything extra. She also always fight at 100% power unlike other claymore who have to watch their yoki usage level.
That's why I've added sentence "but that doesn't mean we're right" because it wasn't said explicitly or "officially" (Rubel only said that and we don't know if he's skilled enough to judge claymore's strength accurately). However I did mention Luciela for a reason, she was just like Alicia, fighting at 100% of her strength so Alicia is stronger than her nonetheless.

[FateAnomaly]

That's why I've added sentence "but that doesn't mean we're right" because it wasn't said explicitly or "officially" (Rubel only said that and we don't know if he's skilled enough to judge claymore's strength accurately). However I did mention Luciela for a reason, she was just like Alicia, fighting at 100% of her strength so Alicia is stronger than her nonetheless.

Comparing with Luciela isn't too right either. She is failed experiment. She became an AO so she could not be consider a claymore who can fight at 100%.

[redmeat]

Having no emotions, feelings, nor will, Alicia and Beth are pretty much brain dead. I doubt their awakened forms will cause much trouble when one or the other dies. Probably the lone twin will be blowing snot bubbles instead of going on a rampage.

If Alicia and Beth end up as failed experiments, I speculate that the org's next experiment is going to be with conjoined twins. They would be much less vulnerable and could have twice the power than Alicia or Beth combined. Probably their yoki would be more synchronized and one would fully awaken while the other partially awakens. I wouldn't have thought of this if it weren't for the twin goddessess looking a lot like conjoined twins. Well, it's wishful thinking, but it could happen.

[Defiled one]

The fab Seven aren´t completly useless. Unfortunatly, they will be a great force if, and only if, they choose a side. Riful, unfortunatly, is their best option. The result will end in a mass awakening before a harsh training with Riful. Going to the Order would probably be torture and punishment for hiding, not death.

Unless the´re are other sides that have yet to appear.

[Gooral]

Comparing with Luciela isn't too right either. She is failed experiment. She became an AO so she could not be consider a claymore who can fight at 100%.
And why is that? She was fully awakened claymore so she had 100% of her strength in her disposition; mental state has nothing to do with this. All she had to do was to obliterate every AB she met. Besides, Rafaela failed not Luciela who was more than just successful experiment (she almost destroyed organization, didn’t she?).
The org probably didn't rush Alicia and Beth so they could get accustomed to enormous power and to mentally consolidate them. In a way it was warm-up to prepare them for difficult situation after training in real battle.
Personally I think that partial awakening doesn't increase someone's potential, so it doesn't matter if claymore fully awakens after partial-awakening or just after becoming a trainee. It does however strengthen claymore in human form, allowing better access to hidden youma power.

[Anh_Minh]

Actually there is one reason we can think like that (of course it doesn't mean we're right). Rubel said that Alicia is someone who can even oppose Abyssal Ones (don't think that all at once ;)) and then added: the strongest #1 in the annals was born.
For starters, what would Rubel know of the real strength of the Abyssals? It's not like any of them had ever had to fight to the limits, at the time. Let alone with Rubel as a witness.

Second, what does he know of the strengths of #1 born centuries ago? Sure, they recorded stuff in the annals. But I doubt there were objectives measurements of combat strength, if such a thing were even possible. And hey, they didn't even know Theresa's full strength. Why would they know Riful's or Isley's?

Third, Alicia is the strongest #1 because, unlike the other Abyssals, she didn't stop being Claymore #1 when she awakened. So yeah, she's probably stronger than unawakened Isley and Riful. That doesn't make her stronger than their Awakened selves.

MiB must know Riful's, Isley's and Luciella's strength (especially Luciella's) and Alicia is stronger than them (at least definitely stronger than Luciella because the org knew her full strength).Not really. They know she was unstoppable when she awakened, that's all.


The org is of the belief that they have achieved their goal with Alicia.
If their goal was to make a controllable Abyssal class warrior, they got their wish. They may not have been any more ambitious at the time.

They could be wrong, but I find no reason to think that they don't know how to produce warriors stronger than their past ones. The more one does something the better one gets at doing it. Teresa and Priscilla may be indications of such progress, though they might just as well have been freak experiments which results were unpredicted. I'm inclined to think both. But judging by the org's prototype Abyssal threat, Luciela, who was a close match for Isley and whose power can be weighed by looking at Raphaela who was said to equal her, we find that the org rated Alicia stronger than her in all areas that count, yoki content, agility, strength, etc.. We should expect that to translate into better performance than Luciela who still managed to inflict upon Isley some serious damage.
Luciela didn't prove stronger than Isley, born centuries earlier, and one of the very first warriors. So there can't have been that much improvement between then and now.

I think there's just a lot of "luck of the draw" to a Claymore's strength. That's true even today - just look at Clarice.

[khryoleoz]

Rubel would be informed as much as any other executive member of the org by being himself one (at least he seems to be one). The org has shown enough resourcefulness to be able to measure Riful's powers as they did in chapter 49. Riful even offers a comment about their usual cunning. So it's not a stretch to believe they had some means of gauging the strength of the AOs.

Luciela at least proved to be a match. If Alicia is rated to be stronger than Luciela, then she may prove to have an advantage, even if just slightly. By how much I don't know. Yeah, it's probably not going to be by a lot. But in a fight between Abyssal class powers, the winner may be determined by who it is that has even slightly more. However, Isley has allied himself with Priscilla, so trying to deal with that group will probably be futile unless some tag-team handicap is employed.

[Anh_Minh]

Rubel would be informed as much as any other executive member of the org by being himself one (at least he seems to be one). The org has shown enough resourcefulness to be able to measure Riful's powers as they did in chapter 49. Riful even offers a comment about their usual cunning. So it's not a stretch to believe they had some means of gauging the strength of the AOs.

Alicia going "Yeah, I don't think I can take her" isn't a very accurate way of knowing how strong Riful is. Yes, they have a more or less educated guess. But that's not much to go on.

And remember, it was just after Alicia said "I could deal 50% damage to her before dying" that Rubel reassured her with "You're the strongest in the annals". From that we're supposed to assume that Alicia is now stronger than Riful?

Luciela at least proved to be a match. If Alicia is rated to be stronger than Luciela, then she may prove to have an advantage, even if just slightly. By how much I don't know. Yeah, it's probably not going to be by a lot. But in a fight between Abyssal class powers, the winner may be determined by who it is that has even slightly more.
But Alicia isn't rated higher than awakened Luciella. She's just a more successful experiment in controlled awakening.

[khryoleoz]

We are to make the assumption that Alicia can take on Riful because Alicia is now completed, and has been since the end of the Northern Campaign. Rubel echoes the affirmation of Alicia's place in their history at THAT time.

Because awakening results in the releasing of a warrior's entire potential, the org should be able to anticipate the strength of awakened beings by looking at their powers and latent abilities when they were warriors. They knew how strong Isley and Riful were. To rival that strength, they needed to create equals, to surpass it they needed superiors. Yes, wanting something so bad by itself is no guarantee of success. But with the amount of knowledge and experience they have gained for who knows how long they've been producing warriors and developing yoma/human hybridization techniques, it just doesn't make sense that they would set out to create Alicia to oppose AOs, but would fall short on the ambition, purpose, and the know how to ensure that what they produce will succeed.

[Gooral]

(...) And remember, it was just after Alicia said "I could deal 50% damage to her before dying" that Rubel reassured her with "You're the strongest in the annals". From that we're supposed to assume that Alicia is now stronger than Riful?
Yeah but she was still in the process of development, when she said that they were just starting to raise her speed and power by 30% which doubled the strain on her body. It can't be said how much further they could go with her training but probably enough to be assured she could stand a chance against Riful she sensed then with a big margin of error. For example if Alicia sensed that Riful had (1000+-100) units of power (+-100 being error margin), she must have had more than 500 at the moment she measured Riful's power. Increasing it by 30% it would give 750, again by 30% and it would almost be enough, again and she could dominate her.
Also it look like that it's common knowledge between MiB that Alicia is the strongest in their annals (Alicia's handler said it too, not only Rubel). Even if they can't measure their power accurately they can estimate it quite precisely. You don't need to know the speeds of two different hurricanes to know which one was stronger.

But Alicia isn't rated higher than awakened Luciella. She's just a more successful experiment in controlled awakening.
Organization doesn't give 0 numbers to their warriors that's why ;P.

[Anh_Minh]

We are to make the assumption that Alicia can take on Riful because Alicia is now completed, and has been since the end of the Northern Campaign. Rubel echoes the affirmation of Alicia's place in their history at THAT time.
I think completed means 100% awakening, but still controllable. Nothing more. That doesn't say anything, one way or the other, on her ability to defeat Riful.

And again, what would Rubel know? Riful never let the org completely gauge her power.

Because awakening results in the releasing of a warrior's entire potential, the org should be able to anticipate the strength of awakened beings by looking at their powers and latent abilities when they were warriors. They knew how strong Isley and Riful were.
Not necessarily. And I doubt that anyone now still remembers their Claymore days, unless they're awakened themselves. (Or the MiB are immortal.)

To rival that strength, they needed to create equals, to surpass it they needed superiors. Yes, wanting something so bad by itself is no guarantee of success. But with the amount of knowledge and experience they have gained for who knows how long they've been producing warriors and developing yoma/human hybridization techniques, it just doesn't make sense that they would set out to create Alicia to oppose AOs, but would fall short on the ambition, purpose, and the know how to ensure that what they produce will succeed.
While there is a relationship between the strength of a Claymore and the strength of a resulting Awakened One, I doubt it's that straightforward.

For example, Clare, #47, looks like she'd make a pretty strong Awakened. And Galatea did mention something about the degree to which her strength increases when she releases.


Yeah but she was still in the process of development, when she said that they were just starting to raise her speed and power by 30% which doubled the strain on her body. It can't be said how much further they could go with her training but probably enough to be assured she could stand a chance against Riful she sensed then with a big margin of error. For example if Alicia sensed that Riful had (1000+-100) units of power (+-100 being error margin), she must have had more than 500 at the moment she measured Riful's power. Increasing it by 30% it would give 750, again by 30% and it would almost be enough, again and she could dominate her.
Riful said this: Alicia is an Abyssal. They're in the same weight class. That doesn't mean Alicia is stronger. I don't think it's even possible for them to know one way or the other short of having them fight.


Also it look like that it's common knowledge between MiB that Alicia is the strongest in their annals (Alicia's handler said it too, not only Rubel). Even if they can't measure their power accurately they can estimate it quite precisely. You don't need to know the speeds of two different hurricanes to know which one was stronger.
She's the strongest because she's the first who can awaken while remaining in the ranks of the Claymores. So? That doesn't mean she's stronger than the Abyssals. It doesn't even mean she's stronger than Theresa. Her being the strongest in the annals is just something the MiB say. They may even believe it, but what do they know?


Organization doesn't give 0 numbers to their warriors that's why ;P.

No, the reason is that they were never warriors at the same time.

[khryoleoz]

It doesn't even mean she's stronger than Theresa. Her being the strongest in the annals is just something the MiB say. They may even believe it, but what do they know?
Wait, you're reducing what they say to be no more than fanciful, baseless assertions. While there is merit to saying their knowledge is incomplete, that is so far different from saying they have no knowledge at all!

At least I am of a similar position with regard to Teresa. What they knew of Teresa (and Priscilla for that matter) were too little, so calling Alicia "the strongest #1 in their annals" is in the end presumptuous.

[Gooral]

(...)
She's the strongest because she's the first who can awaken while remaining in the ranks of the Claymores. So? (...)
Comparing Teresa who never released youki (at least the org has never seen that) is pointless but comparing Luciela and Alicia isn't. Alicia is the strongest exactly for the reason You mentioned but that doesn't mean she can't be stronger than AO either. All depends on how we interpret Rubel's words. Anyway, who besides AO could kill > 10 strong AB in less than few seconds ?

[Anh_Minh]

Wait, you're reducing what they say to be no more than fanciful, baseless assertions. While there is merit to saying their knowledge is incomplete, that is so far different from saying they have no knowledge at all!

I'm not saying it's baseless. I'm saying that there are limits to their knowledge. While they can reasonably claim they've gotten Alicia into the Abyssals' ballpark, they have no way of knowing if she's stronger than them or not. And neither do we.

And they have no way of knowing if she's truly the strongest in history either. They just can't know. It'd be like saying some present day fencer could kick Miyamoto Musashi's ass. Maybe it's true, but how are you to know?

[Gooral]

And they have no way of knowing if she's truly the strongest in history either. They just can't know. It'd be like saying some present day fencer could kick Miyamoto Musashi's ass. Maybe it's true, but how are you to know?
Yeah, but show me someone from Musahi's age who lives to present day. Also sword fights are special, even theoretically weaker fencer can win against more experienced one. AB are more like Strongman and the one who wins in competition is really stronger (dominating Mariusz Pudzianowski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariusz_Pudzianowski) for example can be considered the strongest by looking at his records). Maybe organization observed Luciela's actions, how much time it took her to take out 10 claymores and saw that it was almost as long as Alicia killing 10 AB. That could say sth about difference in their power. Anyway I can't believe they boldly assumed she's the strongest in their annals disregarding Luciela's power in her awakened state.

[khryoleoz]

I'm not saying it's baseless. I'm saying that there are limits to their knowledge. While they can reasonably claim they've gotten Alicia into the Abyssals' ballpark, they have no way of knowing if she's stronger than them or not. And neither do we.

And they have no way of knowing if she's truly the strongest in history either. They just can't know. It'd be like saying some present day fencer could kick Miyamoto Musashi's ass. Maybe it's true, but how are you to know?
And that's fine. I've never claimed to know that Alicia is stronger than AO's either. I said I think. Neither will I argue that the org knows in certain terms, only that they can reasonably make conclusions. Whereas earlier you replied that you don't share the position as there is no reason to think it, there is at least the reasoning behind which the org makes their claim which isn't so baseless however limited their knowledge is. For all that the org knows and that we know in turn, they have overshot their design and fine tuning, and produced an even stronger one in Alicia...or not, time will tell.

[Anh_Minh]

I still don't think there are any reasons to think Alicia is stronger than Abyssals.

And I also disagree that MiBs ever claimed she was.

[Devilz911]

Reason being they created her for the purpose of rivaling the Abyssals. The last time we saw Alicia fought was 7 years ago, who knows how strong she is now?

[khryoleoz]

I still don't think there are any reasons to think Alicia is stronger than Abyssals.

And I also disagree that MiBs ever claimed she was.
Alright, now we're getting into semantics. They haven't described Alicia in those terms. But what then is the value of saying "Oh joy, someone who can even oppose the Abyssal Ones"? There's no worth to saying that someone is in opposition to something when that someone has neither position nor power to oppose. And the goal behind mounting an opposition is not to just obstruct or repel, but to subdue and defeat. The org would be pretty stupid to stop at just maintaining a status quo and not attempt to tip the balance in their favor if they thought they could. Whether Alicia is actually the org's answer to the AO problem is something that is yet to be established as a matter of fact. But we can at least follow how the org may reason within itself towards what it believes.

At least one key forum figure seems to agree with the org's assessment of Alicia, if not about her actual state then about her designed purpose.

A "completed" Alicia is supposed to be able to kill a Dweller in the Abyss without doubt, not merely wipe out an arm of a few dozen awakened ones.

[Anh_Minh]

Alright, now we're getting into semantics. They haven't described Alicia in those terms. But what then is the value of saying "Oh joy, someone who can even oppose the Abyssal Ones"? There's no worth to saying that someone is in opposition to something when that someone has neither position nor power to oppose. And the goal behind mounting an opposition is not to just obstruct or repel, but to subdue and defeat. The org would be pretty stupid to stop at just maintaining a status quo and not attempt to tip the balance in their favor if they thought they could. Whether Alicia is actually the org's answer to the AO problem is something that is yet to be established as a matter of fact. But we can at least follow how the org may reason within itself towards what it believes.

"Someone who can oppose the Abyssals" means that they don't live at the sufferance of the Big Three any more. Now, the reason Riful won't attack them won't be that she just doesn't feel like it, but because of the old three-way stalemate.

And it also means they've hit a landmark in their quest to make ever stronger Claymores and, one day maybe, dominate the world or whatever it is they want.

So yeah, I do think they have reasons to be happy even without Alicia being markedly stronger than the Abyssals.

At least one key forum figure seems to agree with the org's assessment of Alicia, if not about her actual state then about her designed purpose.

An argument by authority? Unless that "key figure" is actually Norihiro Yagi, why should I care?

[irvinethearcher]

"Someone who can oppose the Abyssals" means that they don't live at the sufferance of the Big Three any more. Now, the reason Riful won't attack them won't be that she just doesn't feel like it, but because of the old three-way stalemate.


I think you're right. The org was able to even out the balance of power. No AO can
go east and destroy the org without risking his/her own life. But i thought about this:


we find that the org rated Alicia stronger than her in all areas that count, yoki content, agility, strength, etc.. We should expect that to translate into better performance than Luciela who still managed to inflict upon Isley some serious damage.


I think he's right, too. Alicia have to be stronger than luciela because luciela did the same training alicia did and alicia has the better stats, so in common sense alicia have to be stronger.
But on the other hand we don't know exactly how partial awakening powers a claymore up.
And we don't know if the bonus a claymore gets from awakening is always the same for any claymore. So what if the bonus luciela got was much greater than the bonus alicia gets and at the end they have the same absolut strength.

[khryoleoz]

"Someone who can oppose the Abyssals" means that they don't live at the sufferance of the Big Three any more. Now, the reason Riful won't attack them won't be that she just doesn't feel like it, but because of the old three-way stalemate.

And it also means they've hit a landmark in their quest to make ever stronger Claymores and, one day maybe, dominate the world or whatever it is they want.

So yeah, I do think they have reasons to be happy even without Alicia being markedly stronger than the Abyssals.
So you're saying that they went into the planning stages of their weapon with only enough motivation and ability to arrive at a stalemate? That's a disdainful view of a group of people who have in their history produced the AOs, Teresa and Priscilla under the pretext of protecting humans from yoma. I understand that we have been offered no more concrete information as of yet to believe that Alicia was completed stronger. But by that same line of reasoning, we are unable to say she is even what the org thinks of her except on the basis that the org says so. Though this would indeed be the only reason to believe Alicia's state right now, I think the org is of the same disposition as any other human by nature to want and therefore take the advantage if they think they can get it. Even in an arms race where the deterrent factor is mutually assured destruction, I can't imagine which contestant would be satisfied with having just as much of the same type of bombs as the other(s) and would not, barring sheer inability, try to produce more and better bombs had they the means and opportunity. Neither can I imagine a sports team no more driven than to tie with its opposing teams and strategize game plans and perform only to that end. Yet in the org's case, they're driven only to that extent or, taking into consideration their gallery of rogues and heros, are simply unable to do better?

[Zu Ra]

This chapter was one of the better chapter of the new arc . It’s pretty much showed how the claymores are manipulated into tools of the organization . The right thing for Miata and Clarice to do was aid Galatea in fighting Agatha then settle internal strife . However, they have chosen to make it a three way combat overlooking specs. I personally think Agatha is stronger than Galatea Miata and Clarice individually . Their motto should be united we stand as divided they would fall.

Maybe Miata and Clarice will overlook protocol and fight together with Galatea in the next chapter

[Anh_Minh]

I'm sure they did the best they could to make her as strong as possible. But I also think that a number 1 Claymore who can awaken and still fight only the youmas, and come back to normal... Well, that rates as a "success".

I'm not sure what your point is about the arms race. I'm sure they've got other projects to make an even better weapon. So no, in the big picture, they can't be satisfied with a stalemate. But relatively to the Alicia project? I don't see why they wouldn't be.

Trying to do too much all at once, always adding features and tweaking performance... It's not a recipe for success. First, get something that works out of the door. Then, think about what you can do to improve it.

[Siegzon Caritas]

Unable to do better seems a possible conclusion. This is only the second time they've done this and although demonstrated, how many repetitive field tests have Alicia and Beth had? This smacks of a desperation mopve by the org, forced upon them by Isley's movements.

They had to do something. A&B were the result. I think it's an unknown as to how well A&B would actually do against Isley or Riful or Pris. It certainly seems Beth is the weak link in the chain. Attack Beth and watch Alicia go fully awakened consciousness, with a totally unstable mind. That's why this smacks of desperation on the Org's part.

[BaalChaamon]

Unable to do better seems a possible conclusion. This is only the second time they've done this and although demonstrated, how many repetitive field tests have Alicia and Beth had? This smacks of a desperation mopve by the org, forced upon them by Isley's movements.

They had to do something. A&B were the result. I think it's an unknown as to how well A&B would actually do against Isley or Riful or Pris. It certainly seems Beth is the weak link in the chain. Attack Beth and watch Alicia go fully awakened consciousness, with a totally unstable mind. That's why this smacks of desperation on the Org's part.

The causality relationship between Isley's movement and Alcia's and Beth's creation is wrong. The MiB stated that they needed to find more suitable human specimen for their next soul-link operation shortly after Luciela awakened.

And during the flash-back Raphaela overhears that the Org. had just bought two identitcal twins from a family, at a time when Teresa was still a trainee.
So no, Alicia and Beth are not a result of Isley's movement but an attempt of the Org. to even the odds between them and the three established AOs.

I wouldnt per se say that Beth being the weakness of the link is a short coming of the Org., though we are put under the impression that they had to complete the two hastily. It is simply the nature of the soul-link as they havent found a different way to achieve their means, simply because there might just be none.

Also the Org. only seems in a rush in completing Alicia & Beth after they had discovered Isley's plan. From what we have seen they have worked meticulously on them before but started rushing it after Isley started gathering ABs.

Sure they could have tried extreme mental conditioning for both Alicia and Beth to awaken whilst retaining their humanity by progressively half-awakening them until they cross the final threshold without the Yoma side taking over. Maybe that is something they could try in the future after learning that half-awakening is possible (I doubt the org. has missed out on the existence of it).

First we had the specimen improvement, which would be followed by refining the actual technique.

[Chendzeea Li]

I think Clare will be the only one to fully awaken and keep her mind, being the heroine of the story. I also wouldn't be terribly suprised if she look perfectly normal once doing so. So far she's been growing stronger and more monsterous. However, its very common to see in these type of stories that as one grows more powerful their center of power changes. "Swords get bigger, their bodies get more freaky, their size increases." Then when they reach their "True unlocked power." It's shown to be normal in apperance. Be they in childs form, appear totally human or their sword looks normal or even wooden or something. B

[Valerian Mengsk]

.....(A bleach fan?)

Anyway, I noticed something that Riful said to Clare, Galatea, and Jean after their fight with Rigaldo. She said something to the extent that they should get stronger before they awaken in order to become stronger awakened beings.

wait I'm looking it up. In chapter 49 around page 16-17 the english translation goes something like this.

Riful: " By the way; you two are already half way there already (Referring Clare and Jean).
Rather then forcefully making you awaken now, leaving you to ripen a bit more and then reaping the results seems far more delicious.
Until you awaken... become stronger!
And then wake up. That way you will become even stronger awakened beings."
End of Quote.

So I think that Isley/Easley, Priscilla, Riful and of course Alicia could almost be said to have been limited to a certain power range when they awakened if they hadn't reached the absolute limits of their potential beforehand.

Of course, it could be that Riful, and Isley/Easley were at their max when they awoke and that the org trained Alicia to her max before "completing her," but it does seem to suggest that someone like Clare who has Theresa's potential inside of her can grow to be stronger than Prissy because Clare would have more time to train and flex her youki muscle before an awakening.

BTW, that could make Raphela potentially stronger then her sister because she has been around unawakened for far longer. This almost makes Claymores seem like certain kinds of Vampires who grow in power as they age except awakening gives them a drastic increase in power, but then limits them to that level. :twitch:

Any thoughts?

[Chendzeea Li]

I don't watch bleach or naruto or anything like that actually, I've friends who do and I know of them. I do recognize trends. :) Hopefully the writer will suprise us. He's done a superb job so far.

[Chendzeea Li]

I agree, as do most here with that. Once you awaken you get a major boost but you are forever stuck at that power level when you do. All signs so far atest to that.

[Tempest35]

Not only power level-wise, also trying to learn new skills seems to fall under that umbrella as well. Once a Claymore Awakens, they are stuck with the skills that they have aquired and cannot learn new ones. They can refine the ones they do have but that's it.

[Dassasin]

Raki could possibly come out the next chapter

lol master swordsman

[viese]

That seems allot like Valkyrie profile. Where the gods start powerful but can't grow stronger. Humans are weak but can improve, however their short lifespan prevents them from improving to the level of the gods. And Odin is a half-god so although he stars weaker than the gods he can surpass them since his god half gives him immortality

[evil_kenshin]

the only flaw to that theory is Priscilla, she had alot of untapped potential when a half-yoma (her yoki) yet when she awakened it comes flowing out naturally (not of her own choice) whenever she is wounded

extra chapter 3 showed this, but then it could just be her natural strength at the time of awakening too