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Klashikari
2007-12-05, 23:51
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Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-06, 00:05
Nagisa: "You have to cry when you have to."
Finally Kotomi will have her spotlight!
Kotomi-chan~~~~~
Looking forward to the start of Kotomi's arc also.
I'm still drawing a blank trying to figure out what her story is about. (Which I think is a good thing :)) The only hints we're given is Kotomi playing a violin in the OP; and based on the preview, Kotomi trying to socialize / help out / fit in with people. Is that the "genius girl's challenge" I wonder?
toxic_trance
2007-12-06, 03:40
Well... Kotomi-chan finally gets a chance to show off her full Moe Potential :)
All her last few appearances have been so short but still some of the MOST Moe-Defining moments in history of anime
The preview was definitely funny, although it definitely was editing of scenes and joining them in random to give that effect. Neway, after a heart aching Fuko Arc...I guess I m ready for comedy again.. My heart wouldnt be able to take one more emotional episode
Thats key for you (sorry for my english) they will get your adrenalin slowly going until your out of gas. before the release what do you think will be the story of kotomi?(base on apprerance and the prelude)
Cattleya
2007-12-06, 12:03
Looks like Tomoya will make Kotomi to join Nagisa's drama club.
The preview was funny indeed =)
Can't wait to see this episode!
P.S. I'll miss Fuu-chan...
Takuto19
2007-12-06, 12:07
Really looking forward to Kotomi's arc, just hope it's not too short heh.
toxic_trance
2007-12-06, 12:16
Ok..as much as I know this episode will rock..I still dont get why someone has already voted it a 9???
panzerfan
2007-12-06, 13:18
There is only one thing for me to say about this episode at this point:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f237/kannabinomikoto/clannad/Fuko3b.png
It's amazing to think that we are at episode 10 already. Time sure flies when there is a good anime.
And best part of all is that I don't have an 8 AM class tommorow or a 8:30 AM bus trip, so I can finally watch this as soon as I wake up! :)
PhantomX
2007-12-06, 14:30
random curiosity has screencaps up... looks like it's gonna be a fun ep. gonna wait for summaries :D
Klashikari
2007-12-06, 14:52
same as always:
Episode 10: bullet summary (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/clannad-episode-10/)
gonna edit to write up the thoughts. Sure an excellent transition in mood and focus ^^
harukamae
2007-12-06, 15:07
Just watched this on NND ...I gotta say, this anime really has made its way into my top ten list. It's such a stress reliever and the animation is fantastic. (I really liked the "Dream World" sequence's animation)
I didn't think I would like Kotomi's episodes - she seemed like she would get too moe for my tastes, but I was pleasantly surprised and this episode was a blast to watch, even the next ep preview. I like the way the girls at the drama club meeting reacted to Kotomi and really tried to encourage her - that's the power of theater, it's not always about being a great and well-known actor, but about inspiring people to connect and put themselves out there.
LOL I look forward to more Manzai Kotomi and more bear-beatings for poor Sunohara! :-D
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I love this episode.
panzerfan
2007-12-06, 15:41
Pachibel's Kanon dur D is the self-reference of this episode. I love this return to a more cheery tone coming out of the previous arc. I am glad that a sense of continuation is conveyed in the story, instead of merely neglecting everything that has happened beforehand...
Hm, this was like the only episode I wanted to watch raw without reading any spoilers on anything. On the other hand, if it was perceived as not so good, I might have just stopped watching. On the other hand of that, this is the route/arc I want to see the most.
So oops, I spoiled myself a little. XP Now to avoid blog reads and basing opinion on raw without thinking about what's in it, then reading later. I'll input my opinion later, as it probably won't be accurate until a sub, though a raw I can denote an impression.
Screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/12/06/clannad-10) of ep. 10 courtesy of Random Curiosity. Look at it at your own risk!
I dig that scene when Kyou is hugging Kotomi :nod:
PhantomX
2007-12-06, 17:36
Hehe... Bi Kyou... and then there's Nagisa and Ryou... what is this anime coming too!?
pagan poor
2007-12-06, 17:47
MOE!!!! And looks like our moe queen is also a super heroine (or super villainess) with her violin playing power!
Kotomi hiding behind Tomoya, and hugging Tomoyo (and Kyou) was way too cute as well. :heh:
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-06, 17:48
Well, Clannad finally has me on its wavelength. The past couple of eps have been great, and ep10 is wonderful. Terrific transition, as Klashikari said. Great job by Noto Mamiko, and great job by the staff. Great job by Nakamura Yuuichi as Tomoya. Great job by everyone, for that matter.
I too loved the hugging scenes: Kotomi-TomoyoBear and Kotomi-Kyou. And I especially loved the instant when Tomoya and Nagisa had their little vision together on the road and suddenly felt close to each other again.
Well, I got around to watching it. It felt like my favourite route went through 9 different days in a row. Though because of anime speed, that's good. If they used visual novel speed, everything in the episode would be like 9 times slower, slower than Fuuko's route, with repetitions. Instead, they used almost every different circumstance only once (though some truncations I don't agree with, though I suppose is normal since it doesn't quite deter anything).
A bit too instant in pacing in some ways, to be honest, but because of that they did get in all the different content in, Kotomi's ratio usage improved such that she's not entirely irrelevant (yeah, based on her appearances post episode 10, if you didn't know of her character, there's like no basis whatsoever). It's just 100% clear that the episode would be about Kotomi, and it sure focused on that, jumping right into it.
And well, the main point is pretty obvious, so that's why they could do instantaneous scene transitions.
Though there was a slight disappointment that's irrelevant.
The Kyou hugging Kotomi part was completely nerfed and restricted. Actually, Kyou originally did to Kotomi what Haruhi did to Mikuru upon introductions aka groping. In other words, the sexual harassment was completely revoked, which I found odd, simply due to the fact that Kyoani had done something very similar when animating SHnY, if not virtually identical (only the circumstance was a little different, but otherwise the contrast is very similar).
The disappointing thing is that it's a contrast to Kyou's character to be curious, though the obvious message which Kyoani always retains is the bi-implicit thing. Though actually the uh bodily search was supposed to stem from Tomoya's notation of Kotomi being stressed so therefore the fur in the tail was supposed to stick out due to stress, but then Kyou wonders if there is a tail and therefore searches in a humourously violating manner (similar to Haruhi to Mikuru), then checks up, then gets shocked after she feels how big Kotomi is after thinking that she thought Kotomi was like a child but is surprisingly grown up in physical feature, etc. Though I worded it too vaguely.
I actually find this truncation surprising since they did something like that before (again, in SHnY), but didn't do this part (though the conveyed message is there, so I suppose it's not lost). Well, they did animate the Kyou flying kick thing. The other surprising part is the obvious emphasis for the tsukkomi which ironically intertwines with acting which ironically works with Nagisa's route. So some of the mergers in the episode weren't of bad contrast, especially the Tomoyo addition who is actually no part of Kotomi's route.
Well, in the end that truncation isn't even that important. However, they did truncated Sunohara's slight relevance since there was supposed to be a contrast between scholarships (sports and academics). It would be great information for a later episode. Though Kyoani probably believes the information would still be there, so the contrast itself is minour information, thus I think that's why it wasn't used. (Though the Sunohara scene was highly accelerated. They should have added a slightly longer pause to make the reactions more convincing.) Oh well, Sunohara has higher relevance in other routes anyways.
Though I would have to say that Nagisa's input in the beginning with Kyou running Tomoya over was pretty bad. Now in terms of merging it was okay because new content was spliced up, and was able to input a post resolution of Fuuko's route, therefore it had pluses to it. Maybe Kyoani took advantage of Nagisa's character to be the type that is really concerned for the one that got hurt, and not angry at the one that hit the victim (on the other hand it would be worse if they had Nagisa scold Kyou which would be surprisingly out of character). It's like they add Nagisa to most routes lol.
Again though, the execution was really fast. For me it's fantastic only because I can easily recall each event since they're very easy to remember identically, but episode 9 totally does not set up episode 10 (though 10 works for being after 9 with the additives, and it also establishes Kotomi better, which would be bad if her route was later because then she would have no basis for the first half of the series, and makes it easier to finish the series.)
Well, the main points were the same, just fast forward version. Considering how slow episode 9 was, it's funny how episode 10 is the same duration (and yes, you can pretty much assume that episode 10 was far faster based. Humour/Earlier segments of a route will be much faster than Drama/Later segments of a route by default almost.).
At least episode 10 certainly had no dragged out weakness. Therefore, there is no slow pacing issue (on the other hand throwing almost everything out in one episode might be too much information at once!). Yeah, this route could very easily be three episodes, VERY easily (though it'll probably be four just to flesh out the drama pace probably, and also considering the Fuuko contrast which used five but should have used four).
Kyoani kept the right idea, but rats, they did not go all out, and certainly didn't go unrestrictive. It's like in Haruhi there's no limit but when they work on a KEY work, anything remotely implicit of certain context is ultimately truncated.
I generally like episodes that have a series of events, flowing off the same general idea, with mixes of fun left and right, as well as progress, so episode 10 works very well for my preferences.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-06, 19:06
I was drowning from the moeness flood. Kotomi hiding behind Tomoya, the various hugging, and the violin shockwaves..... It's just too much, I tell you!
About the "Haruhi Kyou": I think that would have sort of broken the atmosphere that Clannad has been building up, so I can forgive the tone down.
Anyone noticed Kyou saying "Has another rival appeared?"
Also, who might that old man at the end be.....
Episode 11: Nadeane?
I just made over 15 Kotomi avatars (150 size, so can't use them here), using material from this episode alone.
Kotomi overkill.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-06, 19:24
I just made over 15 Kotomi avatars (150 size, so can't use them here), using material from this episode alone.
Kotomi overkill.
Post them. I can never have enough Kotomi avatars.
I was drowning from the moeness flood. Kotomi hiding behind Tomoya, the various hugging, and the violin shockwaves..... It's just too much, I tell you!
About the "Haruhi Kyou": I think that would have sort of broken the atmosphere that Clannad has been building up, so I can forgive the tone down.
Anyone noticed Kyou saying "Has another rival appeared?"
Also, who might that old man at the end be.....
Episode 11: Nadeane?
I won't say much about moeness or whatnot, but that concept of the hiding and the presentation was certainly fleshed out, and I seemed to not have bothered mentioning that @_@.
And yes, your reasoning is definitely acceptable. Perhaps it only seems odd to me only because the game itself has it, but then again this is analogous to Kanon where Yuichi takes advantage of Nayuki's sleepiness and asks normal simple questions but threw in the three sizes question which resulted in a crash (aka another type of content in key that wouldn't be implemented). Well, I guess I forget they still conveyed the same idea (then again a lot of things that can be either controversial or whatnot has been generally toned down such as well ... there's obvious ones, so maybe that's also why.).
I did very well notice that Kyou quote. However, it's for a later set up. The irony is that it fits, was indirectly originally there, and fits in momentum. Though because there's already been hints, it's not really spoiler.
And yes, overkill is right, though the timing was right. You see very little of Kotomi who hardly has any emphasis or relevance regarding anything, and this episode you see her like 10x the amount you already have (I'm assuming about 2 minutes vs 20 minutes. More accurately might be 3 minutes vs 18 minutes, so like 6 times). (Though Divini would have a more accurate x times number, but it isn't a small number, that's for sure).
Actually, come to think of it, there's a surprisingly large amount of repetition, but they just simply went through it more quickly. Yay for concision and efficiency. The other thing is that I didn't notice until now that no drama was invoked.
Post them. I can never have enough Kotomi avatars.
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Some of my favorites.
velocity7
2007-12-06, 23:37
I call foul at...
Kyou not groping Kotomi, Haruhi-style! :(
PhantomX
2007-12-06, 23:47
I won't say much about moeness or whatnot, but that concept of the hiding and the presentation was certainly fleshed out, and I seemed to not have bothered mentioning that @_@.
And yes, your reasoning is definitely acceptable. Perhaps it only seems odd to me only because the game itself has it, but then again this is analogous to Kanon where Yuichi takes advantage of Nayuki's sleepiness and asks normal simple questions but threw in the three sizes question which resulted in a crash (aka another type of content in key that wouldn't be implemented). Well, I guess I forget they still conveyed the same idea (then again a lot of things that can be either controversial or whatnot has been generally toned down such as well ... there's obvious ones, so maybe that's also why.).
I did very well notice that Kyou quote. However, it's for a later set up. The irony is that it fits, was indirectly originally there, and fits in momentum. Though because there's already been hints, it's not really spoiler.
And yes, overkill is right, though the timing was right. You see very little of Kotomi who hardly has any emphasis or relevance regarding anything, and this episode you see her like 10x the amount you already have (I'm assuming about 2 minutes vs 20 minutes. More accurately might be 3 minutes vs 18 minutes, so like 6 times). (Though Divini would have a more accurate x times number, but it isn't a small number, that's for sure).
Actually, come to think of it, there's a surprisingly large amount of repetition, but they just simply went through it more quickly. Yay for concision and efficiency. The other thing is that I didn't notice until now that no drama was invoked.
I really like how they're already starting to set up Kyou/Ryou's route so early... it'll make the segue later on to their arc seem much more natural and less rushed than say... Yuuichi x Ayu.
Poor Kyou has no luck... she tries to get Tomoya to go out with her again, and gets stuck in the club room instead :P
Leo_Otaku
2007-12-06, 23:51
Oh god her terrible violin playing sounded amazing I have to give an applause for that XD Pretty amazing!!
Yeah i was expecting her to grope her too... Did they skip out them having what little bit of a drama club they did have? Also the book referance seemed to be missing >.>
They are just speeding through ^-^" Nice mix anyway with adding people here and there.
Ascaloth
2007-12-07, 00:07
Watched the TWH-Sprocket sub of Episode 10. (I didn't get it wrong this time! ;) Props to the TWH-Sprocket team for such a fast release this week, BTW.)
An entire bundle of laughs from start to end. However, they didn't neglect to include some hints of what's to come here and there though, so that keeps it even more interesting than usual. Good to see Fuuko is not forgotten; I wonder how long her presence will last? On the other hand though, I'm not sure why Tomoya is taking such an interest in Kotomi. Why is he even bothering in the first place? A little sign of Yuuichi-ism there.
9 out of 10, because the setup was a little suspect IMHO. Otherwise, great comedy episode. Nandeyane!!!
PhantomX
2007-12-07, 00:09
Watched the TWH-Sprocket sub of Episode 10. (I didn't get it wrong this time! ;) Props to the TWH-Sprocket team for such a fast release this week, BTW.)
An entire bundle of laughs from start to end. However, they didn't neglect to include some hints of what's to come here and there though, so that keeps it even more interesting than usual. Good to see Fuuko is not forgotten; I wonder how long her presence will last? On the other hand though, I'm not sure why Tomoya is taking such an interest in Kotomi. Why is he even bothering in the first place? A little sign of Yuuichi-ism there.
9 out of 10, because the setup was a little suspect IMHO. Otherwise, great comedy episode. Nandeyane!!!
I'm not exactly sure... I'd like to think it's not just benevolence for the sake of benevolence... I'm sure they'll clear it up soon. I'm still wondering what those short snippits about that girl at the beginning of the eps are about.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-07, 00:12
On the other hand though, I'm not sure why Tomoya is taking such an interest in Kotomi. Why is he even bothering in the first place? A little sign of Yuuichi-ism there.
If KyoAni follows most of the Kotomi Src, you'll know in the future.
Ascaloth
2007-12-07, 00:46
Oh, BTW.....that hon-ya (book store) featured in this episode. Isn't that the same one from Kanon 2006?
EDIT: Okay, checked....not exactly, but close enough, LOL. The one in Episode 3 of Kanon 2006 was "Books Shimano", but the one in this episode was "Books Himano". :p
eMpTy265
2007-12-07, 01:38
ROFL... haven't laughed that hard in a while... what a way to bring back the comedy.... Moe + Humor + bi-KyouXKotomi :)
Look like Kyoani's diving into Kotomi's route @ full throttle:
They've covered quite a significant portion of Kotomi's pre-route, including all the befriending stuff, as well as the violin and even the mysterious man at the end.
Points of interest:
- Why does Kotomi cut the books?
- Why did Kotomi frown when the bread lady & Tomoya mention her parents?
- Why does Kotomi love bears? (Especially really big ones?)
- Why is Tomoya suddenly so absorbed into Kotomi? Why "Kotomi-chan" & "Tomoya-kun"?
Others have pointed out the Kyou-Kotomi = Haruhi-Mikuru obmission, and some other minor parts that were removed. I suppose it was to meet the time constraints...
***
During the violin scene, did anyone else get reminded of Asakura from SHnY?
And OMG, I swear Kotomi's violin playing is an anti-fortress weapon... I was half-expecting lamda-driver effects....
:heh:
panzerfan
2007-12-07, 02:12
Well, this is the opener to Kotomi's arc, so I don't have terribly lots to say on her. As for the Fujibayashi twins, they are definitely getting developments...
I noticed the CG effect bearing a resemblance to the famed Asakura scene.
Others call it Kanaria's attack done justice.
Bankai29
2007-12-07, 02:31
Even without the Haruhi-Mikuru scene(I REALLY WANNA SEE IT THOUGH)...I can forgive them as this Kotomi ep... IS OWNAGE!!!
Kotomi Arc animated is so MOE... MOENAGE!!! :p:D:p
But is there no lunch sharing scene?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
I wanted to see Kotomi say "Share!" many times...
Ascaloth
2007-12-07, 03:20
Blog article is up:
[RIUVA] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 10 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=890)
grey_moon
2007-12-07, 03:40
Mistress Moe killed me with the violin....
Having trouble dealing with Fuu-chan withdrawal, but Kotomi does seem to make the withdrawal much easier. The whole bully thing and introduction was a laugh and a half.
Between HnG and this anime I think I am starting to understand the tsukukwassit type of comedy...
Not too sure how I am intererating the Nagisa and Tomoya love love denial as I reallly like them as a couple, but I guess the other girls need a chance. So what is this with Kyou trying to give her sister a chance?
iamandragon
2007-12-07, 04:50
Kyou's kick looks painful! Oh well going to class now.
P.S. My brother is cross-dressing and will be walking around in Bayswater, London this afternoon from 3pm to 4pm as punishment. If you are in UK, try look for him! Reward given if you can find us.
And OMG, I swear Kotomi's violin playing is an anti-fortress weapon... I was half-expecting lamda-driver effects....
I don't know what you're talking about. It was beautiful.
P.S. My brother is cross-dressing and will be walking around in Bayswater, London this afternoon from 3pm to 4pm as punishment. If you are in UK, try look for him! Reward given if you can find us.
Going just a little bit off-topic here.
As a father of an autistic child, I cannot help but be blunt about this: It is sad that nobody has included the talk of autism, in this case Asperger's Syndrome, in their discussion of Kotomi.
MaxwellDemon
2007-12-07, 07:05
9!!
Absolutely loved this episode, especailly with Kotomi hugging Tomoyo and then Kyou hugging Kotomi. Kyou is totally coming off in a wrong way though. XD
I can see that they are already integrating her plot into the story. At this rate, it seems like Kyou will just end up taking an active role in most storylines?
The preview was hilarious too. XD
"The hell with this!" XD
EDIT: To reply to some posts here, I didn't recognize Kotomi has symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome... but then I never met anyone that has autism. I somehow thought that Key wasn't really thinking of that when they were writing the script. XD
- Why does Kotomi cut the books?
Well, after seeing that scene in the book store, i thought it was pretty obvious. She cuts pages out that she finds of interest, instead of buying the actually book.
Ascaloth
2007-12-07, 07:22
As a father of an autistic child, I cannot help but be blunt about this: It is sad that nobody has included the talk of autism, in this case Asperger's Syndrome, in their discussion of Kotomi.
Oh, is it already confirmed that Kotomi has Asperger's Syndrome?
Well, if it is confirmed, then this brother of an autistic child would be happy to talk about autism with you. I mean, I can see the signs like you do, but I'll like to hear it confirmed first. :)
Mr Hat and Clogs
2007-12-07, 07:27
Wontaek, I don't think many people here would have much experience with people who are autistic, so they would not really make the connection. It is an interesting connection though, It wouldn't have occurred to me otherwise. It also does take some of the 'fun' out of the episode if you consider her as someone with AS, rather then just a reclusive eccentric genius.
edit: heh, maybe more then I thought, 3 in one thread. Though its my neighbors children.
panzerfan
2007-12-07, 07:54
I am almost reluctant to delve into a discussion regarding autism, since it is not something that I would immediately look at Kotomi and decide upon just based off what's been seen in this episode. (Perhaps saying autistic tendency is more accurate, but even that I would hesitate at). I feel that this might be more preferable a topic in the specific character discussion thread actually...
iamandragon
2007-12-07, 08:11
I don't know what you're talking about. It was beautiful.
Going just a little bit off-topic here.
I'll bet the violin sequence is just rewinding Kotomi's BGM
Kinda off-topic lol. You can see I'm advertising for this afternoon's activity to add more fun. >< Getting prepared now^^
Random thoughts on episode 10:
1. Ryou seems to be a mirror image for Tsukasa in Lucky Star. From the short hair to her demeanor, it's all Tsukasa. ^_^
2. I know I've heard that music after the OP somewhere. I don't think it was in the OST, though. What was it? Nevermind, found it. :)
3. Aw, I was hoping Kotomi would be a prodigy in the violin. Guess not.
4. My only prediction of the entire series was right! They did have the mysterious world! :)
5. Was I the only person who was reminded of L from Death Note at 4:56 of the Waffle Hous Subs?
6. Two lights!
Lots to say for this episode. 9/10 without a doubt. It had a very episode 1 feel to it, while also incorperating a ton of plot
Oh, and something seems to tell me that this will be a story about Kotomi's continual struggle to equal her parents... It'd seem to work in the family theme. (If this is correct, it's pure luck. I've never played the game or read up on the arc)
(Perhaps saying autistic tendency is more accurate, but even that I would hesitate at).
I agree that it is pretty difficult to associate her with any form autism just from the first episode even though there are signs. They are:
- she is socially inept
- not much for verbal communication (not yet clear about the non-verbal)
- she is very obsessed with books
There are also counter signs:
- That very brief reaction she gives when the lunch lady mentioned about her apparently-well-known parents. This right here seems to open the door for other possibilities than she is autistic.
- KyoAni's ardent endeavor to make her appear as autistic. For example, she doesn't respond to Tomoya when she is called Kotomi. "Kotomi-chan" on the other hand has her undivided attention. Signs: unresponsive to her own name.... unless one adds "chan."
Absolutely horrible with a musical instrument, and a violin nontheless.
"Nande are~" :heh:... ahem.. Signs: Repetitive pattern of behavior and speech. "Nande are~" I've officially found my favorite character from this show.
- The jury is still out on empathy. The term itself is very complex and associating the term successfully with anyone's behavior is even more difficult, but..... but I thought she must be empathic to be able to make friends with Tomoya. Now what episode was that?
Yes, as it has been mentioned by several others, it is way too early to diagnose her with any form autism. May be things will start to become clearer once her parents come into play.
Deathkillz
2007-12-07, 10:18
This was really nice :)
I thing I'd like to say though:
Dam you tomoya! why do you always have a flock of girls around you :heh:
*ahem*
Kotomi is really cute but she is obviously pretty weird...for a girl genius she doesn't really seem like one :rolleyes:
Seems like what makes her special is that she actually selects what to listen to together with random day dreaming periods and repetitive swings (out of fear most likely).
She is quite afraid of bullies which could be foreshadowing some sad past - kids can be so cruel when they see someone weak and different (but I chuckled when she told kyou not to bully her because she is strong :heh:).
Tomoya got face fcked completely haha! :D
I want to see Tomoyo vs Kyou - just once...would be an epix scene ^^
Nice development for each of the characters but alas Tomoyo is still pretty much out of it >_< Just love seeing Kyou's dere side though...yea yea you carry on sexual harrassing kotomi :3
I agree that it is pretty difficult to associate her with any form autism just from the first episode even though there are signs. They are:
- she is socially inept
- not much for verbal communication (not yet clear about the non-verbal)
- she is very obsessed with books
There are also counter signs:
- That very brief reaction she gives when the lunch lady mentioned about her apparently-well-known parents. This right here seems to open the door for other possibilities than she is autistic.
- KyoAni's ardent endeavor to make her appear as autistic. For example,
she doesn't respond to Tomoya when she is called Kotomi. "Kotomi-chan" on the other hand has her undivided attention. Signs: unresponsive to her own name.... unless one adds "chan."
Absolutely horrible with a musical instrument, and a violin nontheless.
"Nande are~" :heh:... ahem.. Signs: Repetitive pattern of behavior and speech. "Nande are~" I've officially found my favorite character from this show.- The jury is still out on empathy. The term itself is very complex and associating the term successfully with anyone's behavior is even more difficult, but..... but I thought she must be empathic to be able to make friends with Tomoya. Now what episode was that?
Yes, as it has been mentioned by several others, it is way too early to diagnose her with any form autism. May be things will start to become clearer once her parents come into play.
The problem is, due to social taboos and marketing needs, Key and Kyoto Animation will never mention anything related to Autism or Asperger Syndrome. I know from first hand, how adamantly people in Asia ignore any sign of mental problem if the person gets good grades, even if it is their own child who needs help and therapy. Since much of Clannad is about relation between parents and their child, it is possible that the story writers had this family problem in their mind when they were writing Kotomi story.
I would like to mention that some Autistic individuals do make friends and have sense of humor despite their conditions.
minhtam1638
2007-12-07, 10:33
Drawing attention away from the lovely moe violin horror of doom, Tomoyo is currently at 1015 hits, correct?
Kinny Riddle
2007-12-07, 11:01
I originally thought of giving this a 9 after last episode's climax, but Kyo-Ani has gone on and scored another emphatic win for me, so I'm feeling generous and giving it another 10, as I'm a rather easy person to please. Of course, if I must compare, if last episode was 20, then this was ~15.
First, I need to get this out before I forget, amidst all the Kotomi-chan goodies - It looks like they're incorporating part of Kyou/Ryou's plot in as well. Already, Kyou is thinking of ways of setting Ryou up with Tomoya, causing Ryou to blush. For those of us worried that Kyou/Ryou might get shafted, this is a good sign that the twins will get their ample screen time once their arc comes along.
Second, in the whole game, Kotomi never interacted with Fuuko and Tomoyo, this episode's meeting with Tomoyo filled the second of that gap really well. Tomoyo's bear costume was a very appropriate choice by Kyo-Ani, as they cleverly put a good hint on Kotomi's story, which will become very apparent later on. Just look at Kotomi's expression upon hugging Tomoyo. (While Sunohara gets his obligatory ass kicked by Tomoyo. )
Third, from Kyou to Kotomi-chan, it looks like everyone has reckoned Tomoya and Nagisa are a pair already. Tomoya, it's useless trying to deny, you're only delaying the inevitable. :D
Fourth, you know the story is moving forward with another "Illusionary World" scene.
Now on to Kotomi.
Kotomi-chan, KAWAII-YO, Kotomi-chan!!! :love::love::love:
(Parody of the Noto Mamiko rally call)
There, I think that line alone sums up everything that is Kotomi-chan.
Amoirship, I totally understand your concerns about the part with Kyou getting intimate with Kotomi-chan. I was totally expecting the alleged bi girl to begin going Haruhi on poor Kotomi-chan, so it was a bit of a let down.
But I guess Kyo-Ani wanted to emphasize "Clannad is no Haruhi, it's not that kind of show". So I'll let them off. Besides, what do you think our friend Kaioshin would say if Kyo-Ani decide to adapt that? He'd go ballistic "ZOMG, FANSERVICE, THIS DESERVES A 0!!!" or something like that. :cool:
Kotomi-chan shows off her Eternal Fighter Zero capabilities: Violin Sonar Attack. For a while, I thought I was watching Bleach. :rolleyes: I pity the listeners.
Kotomi-chan, Ryou-chan and Nagisa-chan, the Boke trio, with Kotomi-chan aiming to become a brilliant Tsukkomi. Perhaps Nagisa ought to consider setting up a Tsukkomi Club instead. :heh:
(Unsurprisingly, these three Boke girls, with their similar personalities, are easily my favourite Clannad girls. )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukkomi <--- In case you're wondering what it all is.
Once again, Kyo-Ani does another great editing job in the preview, with Kotomi-chan doing her "Nandeyanen" tsukkomi to every line spoken. :D
Reckoner
2007-12-07, 11:10
The episode merited a 6/10 from me, it was pretty average while enjoyable enough to keep my interest. Kotomi's parents are probably really harsh ones that always push for success is my guess. This episode could've been better if I wasn't gasping for air from all the moeness going on. This arc holds more potential than the last one for me though.
Finnaly yes! The Kotomi Arc! This is by far my favorite character in this series.
As for the autistic part, well I seriously doubt she's autistic. If she's autistic, then that makes me autistic since all I do is spend time on my computer, and people have shake me in order to get my attention away from the computer.
She just likes books and gets so focused in them, thats all.
HayashiTakara
2007-12-07, 11:25
Kotomi-chan... I think I'm in love, lol
I never would've guessed that Ryou had a thing for Tomoya, Kyou seem to want to have "fun" with Tomoya as well
grey_moon
2007-12-07, 11:35
I want to see Tomoyo vs Kyou - just once...would be an epix scene ^^
But Kotomi would get injured as she dives into the line of fire to save mr bear!
Klashikari
2007-12-07, 11:44
Kotomi-chan... I think I'm in love, lol
I never would've guessed that Ryou had a thing for Tomoya, Kyou seem to want to have "fun" with Tomoya as well
Just to give some reminder for the hints:
Episode 1: Ryou blushes after she sees Tomoya with Nagisa on the grassy part of the school courtyard.
Episode 4: before Tomoya announces it is Nagisa. (well, arguable ^^")
Episode 5: when Tomoya calls her out (quite the big obvious one)Not as numerous as Nagisa, but it is quite big ^^"
as for Kyou, it doesn't look exactly the fun Tomoya would like to have :heh:
minhtam1638
2007-12-07, 12:14
Okay, anybody questioning the placement of the 2nd star? I thought it would be a bit further from the first star since I was expecting 7, but the placement alone is telling me that we may see all 13 stories...
Xellos-_^
2007-12-07, 12:36
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7466/clannad2020102020large2dm4.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad2020102020large2dm4.jpg)
Proof that Kyou is Bi :D
Kinny Riddle
2007-12-07, 12:40
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7466/clannad2020102020large2dm4.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad2020102020large2dm4.jpg)
Proof that Kyou is Bi :D
And just take a look at how well Kotomi-chan has maintained her assets from this shot. :cool:
That makes Kyou look flat LOL. :p
eMpTy265
2007-12-07, 13:23
And OMG, I swear Kotomi's violin playing is an anti-fortress weapon... I was half-expecting lamda-driver effects....
I don't know what you're talking about. It was beautiful.
You're joking right? :heh:
Well, the whole scene screamed Kyoani homage to me:
- First with the Asakura Ryouko (SHnY) lookalike
- Then came the 'reality shift' when Kotomi played her violin (somewhat similar to closed space or lamba-driver scenes)
- Note how the lights and windows were shattering
While playing the game I thought her violin was an anti-army weapon, but it seems to be an anti-fortress weapon here... (higher damage capacity :heh:)
Well, after seeing that scene in the book store, i thought it was pretty obvious. She cuts pages out that she finds of interest, instead of buying the actually book.
Without spoiling on future events, I would say it's not the case. It was noted that Kotomi's parents are pretty famous researchers, and it is unlikely that she would not be able to afford those books.
The episode merited a 6/10 from me, it was pretty average while enjoyable enough to keep my interest. Kotomi's parents are probably really harsh ones that always push for success is my guess. This episode could've been better if I wasn't gasping for air from all the moeness going on. This arc holds more potential than the last one for me though.
I wonder... :D
So maybe that's why Kotomi seems depressed when during the lunch lady scene?
But then again, Kotomi's expression didn't show signs of resentment (as was seen in Tomoya's scene with his dad), but rather a deep sadness...
****
Oh, just to add a few things that bugged me slightly this episode:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7466/clannad2020102020large2dm4.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad2020102020large2dm4.jpg)
- Kotomi's eye color was WAYY too close to Kyou's, it felt a bit weird.
(I suppose it's cuz I'm used to the darker shading used in the game...
EDIT: Nope, it's probably just lazyness on the part of Kyoani, Kotomi's eyes are slightly darker before and afterwards...
EDIT2: Or is it the lighting? Ah... forget it... )
- Quite a few reused scenes during the 'introduction' scenes, but I suppose it's OK.
- I fear that Sunohara's development just got trashed after the Fuko incident ><
Nice. KyoAni has not disappointed my expectations so far, for this was another excellent episode. Kotomi is oozing with moeness, and she's rivaling Bamboo Blade's Tama-chan as the most moe character of this season, so far. This introductory episode for Kotomi's arc, did its job raising points of interest, mixed with portions of comedy -- which means the drama thereafter will follow. I have not played the game, so I'm really looking forward to how compelling Kotomi's arc would be.
9.
Xellos-_^
2007-12-07, 14:01
- Kotomi's eye color was WAYY too close to Kyou's, it felt a bit weird.
(I suppose it's cuz I'm used to the darker shading used in the game...
EDIT: Nope, it's probably just lazyness on the part of Kyoani, Kotomi's eyes are slightly darker before and afterwards...
EDIT2: Or is it the lighting? Ah... forget it... )
I thought it was Ryou when i first glance at the screenshots and thought
wow more Yuri Twincest form KyoAni :heh:
But it was just Kyou molesting Kotomi :D which is good too :p
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7466/clannad2020102020large2dm4.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad2020102020large2dm4.jpg)
Proof that Kyou is Bi :D
I don't see any proof --- i just see a certain someone looking to much into it.
HayashiTakara
2007-12-07, 16:23
Some people try to find yuri or yaoi or anything to satisify that part of them, but meh. I think somewhere down the line. Kyou is gonna end up falling for Tomoya and is gonna end up conflicted due to the fact that her little sister has a thing for him. Classic story of sister trying to hook other sister up with guy, but ends up liking the guy too.
PhantomX
2007-12-07, 17:25
Some people try to find yuri or yaoi or anything to satisify that part of them, but meh. I think somewhere down the line. Kyou is gonna end up falling for Tomoya and is gonna end up conflicted due to the fact that her little sister has a thing for him. Classic story of sister trying to hook other sister up with guy, but ends up liking the guy too.
That's what I'm assuming is going to happen as well, which is why I'm not really hyped for her arc. I'm more interested in those that at least seem less obvious.
Deathkillz
2007-12-07, 17:51
Depends if the sisters get the shaft really...i would love to see them in action but their chances are low with limited time bla bla...
i would LOVE to see tomoyo get hooked up with tomoya but i might be better of hoping for a white xmas at this rate >_<
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-07, 18:57
As a father of an autistic child, I cannot help but be blunt about this: It is sad that nobody has included the talk of autism, in this case Asperger's Syndrome, in their discussion of Kotomi.
Check my reply in the Kotomi thread.
That makes Kyou look flat LOL. :p
Well, Kotomi arguably has the largest of the 5 main girls, with Tomoyo being a rival.
The rest are.... well, comparably flat.
kimchipride
2007-12-07, 20:49
Lol it was a hilarious episode.
Kotomi and her speech isn't as annoying as I thought it would be. It strongly distinguishes her and the other characters.
MingShun
2007-12-07, 21:16
I liked Kotomi because she reminded me of Natsume, but Kyou was winning...
...at first.
Now I'm not sure who I like, but this episode kicked ass! Hahahaha.
kimchipride
2007-12-07, 21:16
I don't see any proof --- i just see a certain someone looking to much into it.
He's kidding
Ascaloth
2007-12-07, 21:17
Something I just realized...
Wasn't Tomoya making an unusually high number of Konata-faces this episode? :heh:
Takuto19
2007-12-07, 21:24
Just finished watching and have to say Kotomi is the most cutest person i've seen :)
Really looking forward to next weeks, more Kotomi-chan!
9/10
KaneDragon
2007-12-07, 21:28
Something I just realized...
Wasn't Tomoya making an unusually high number of Konata-faces this episode? :heh:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1283/snapshot20071207201826ua6.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20071207201826ua6.jpg)
Yeah, I found that expression a little odd on Tomoya, too. It doesn't suit him.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7614/snapshot20071207212634uv0.th.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20071207212634uv0.jpg)
Isn't it sad, Ryou? :( You'll never be able to get close to Tomoya if he's always got a random girl on his arm... :rolleyes:
Of course, you aren't important enough to get named in the OP, so you shouldn't have had your hopes up in the first place :rolleyes:
It was also sweet of Nagisa to be waiting for Tomoya so they can walk to school together.... Just one more reason why all the other girls (Kyou~ ;_; ) never had a chance to begin with...
todkapuz
2007-12-07, 21:43
KOTOMI-CHAN~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yea! been waiting for a kotomi-centric episode... yea.... heheh .... yeah it's not hard to mark high for kotomi-chan! :) hmm... all in all a good episode... not sure, but did feel a tad bit slow... but maybe that was just me.
i feel all the girls will just give up knowing that they never really had a chance to get between tomoya and nagisa.
Something I just realized...
Wasn't Tomoya making an unusually high number of Konata-faces this episode? :heh:
Yep, but nothing quite like Fuuko.
But then again, wasn't Ryou's act from 18:56-18:58 all too Tsukasa like? I just expected her to have one of those cute headbands on. :)
holyman282
2007-12-07, 23:07
haha, this ep was gold, had me laughing on multiple scenes. Kotomi is definitely hilarious, dare I say it more so than Fuko!
My favourite scenes including Kotomi getting a pair of scissors out to cut a book (gold!).
Tomoya adding that Kyou likes to bully weaklings.. ROFL!.
Despite the comedy, there were still character development, we see Nagisa and Tomoya getting closer. I was originally confused at what Kyou meant by "a new rival has appeared for her" but then I found out that it was Ryou... Too bad she doesn't stand a chance...
There is also something interesting to note, we got more of the other world this ep, the living doll said that he had memories from another world and then later when Sunohora mentioned that Kotomi was in another world, it had Tomoya wondering. Perhaps I'm looking too much into this but perhaps there is a connection between Tomoya and that doll.
I also wonder why was Tomoyo still in that bear suit and why won't she take it off?
Sorrow-K
2007-12-07, 23:10
Wasn't that first scene before the OP started just absolutely beautiful. The use of light effects, the motion and use of CG, the glorious setting. KyoAni at their best, IMO.
As for the rest of the ep, there was enough moe to cover the universe (although that tends to be typically the case with characters voiced by Noto). It didn't compare with the last ep, and it was never going to, since that was one of the best single episodes of the year, but it was incredibly entertaining, in rather typical Ishihara/KyoAni/Key comedic style now. Drama will always be Key/KyoAni's strength, but the balance of comedy and drama in these titles is matched by very few.
I still miss Fuko, though. ;-;
sunohara is hopeless, he will never find out who is under the bear suit :heh: . you'd think that he would be reminded of the times he was beaten by tomoyo.
As a father of an autistic child, I cannot help but be blunt about this: It is sad that nobody has included the talk of autism, in this case Asperger's Syndrome, in their discussion of Kotomi.
I haven't had personal experience with autism at all, so I have no idea what it would be like... But very introverted people can be a lot like Kotomi, without being autistic.
Side note: Much better episode this time around-- I had fears about Kotomi's arc being painful from her limited appearances so far, but now that she's center stage, I actually like her a lot. And it's great to see more of Kyou.
-CaliphLysius-
2007-12-07, 23:35
I'm definitely a bigger fan of the comedy in Clannad than the drama. Therefore, early-arc comedic episodes get big pluses from me.
Liddo-kun
2007-12-07, 23:39
Drama and comedy both give me reasons to continue watching Clannad.
Anyway, the start of Kotomi's arc is very refreshing. :)
*gives episode a rating of 9
KaneDragon
2007-12-07, 23:41
I also wonder why was Tomoyo still in that bear suit and why won't she take it off?
I just thought it was a little strange that she remained completely silent. I kept expecting the bear to take off the head and reveal that it's actually Sunahara tricking Kotomi into paying attention to him, until he appeared with that bizarre "rezombie" deal... :eyebrow:
Also:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2291/kyouxkotomiedithotlesbigf9.jpg
MUST. SUPPRESS. YURI-GOGGLES.
...
...
I failed. ;_;
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8453/kyouxkotomiediteverydayoq0.jpg
grey_moon
2007-12-07, 23:44
I also wonder why was Tomoyo still in that bear suit and why won't she take it off?
I think it is all for her one true love sunohara. She beat him as a girl, and now she must crush him as a bear. Soon the poor lad will have no self esteem left :p
-CaliphLysius-
2007-12-07, 23:47
MUST. SUPPRESS. YURI-GOGGLES.
Haha, that scene definitely had me thinking the same way. I guess too much anime does corrupt your brain.
MUST. SUPPRESS. YURI-GOGGLES.
lol, who did the joke subs on that?
Liddo-kun
2007-12-07, 23:58
MUST. SUPPRESS. YURI-GOGGLES.
omg....><
I think Kyou is not that "bi".
Though I still found it strange Kotomi just blushed and didn't say a word.
I know parents of kids with autism, but I fail to see how any of that relates to Kotomi. wontaek speaks of Asperger's Syndrome, but people like me generally don't know what that is. I'm not speaking against anyone, but I prefer the drama to educate me on the situation. Looking something like this up on Wikipedia will probably spoil whatever anticipation there might be about in the whole series.
A mellow episode, not much to comment about. I'm still being very generous with this girl and doll scenario revealing itself at the start of certain episodes. It is compelling, starting to get on my nerves, but I'm feeling patient enough to wait a little longer for the answers. And as for the last twenty seconds of the episode...
...didn't see that ear-jerk coming.
You know Kyou and Ryou are working together on something, and you know the latter has always had those kinds of feelings for "him", and I think it's very sweet. I've had crushes on people I was in the same class with in school so I can relate. Given the nature of the series, I know it's futile but the dynamic is still worth exploring. However, I think shifting gears this early is gonna spoil the engine in the long run (metaphor).
Btw, interesting choice of file names. kyouxkotomiedithotlesbigf9.jpg
KaneDragon
2007-12-08, 00:01
lol, who did the joke subs on that?
Rip .ass file with VirtualDubMod, edit and remux with mkvmerge. I've been doing it a lot with Clannad to compact dialog in my screenshots. :cool:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1739/sunohararezombie10mx8.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunohararezombie10mx8.jpg)
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9431/tomoyaxnagisanagisawaswxc7.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tomoyaxnagisanagisawaswxc7.jpg)
I'm still waiting for an explanation of "rezombie", by the way... =/
Very enjoyable episode.
I'm usually indifferent towards Mamiko Noto's performances but as Kotomi she is superb.
My God, Kotomi is too kawaii. Can't get enough.
I'm still waiting for an explanation of "rezombie", by the way... =/
Short answer: If you hear it over and over again (or just once) it does sounds like "rezombie" or re-zom-bay. Of course he really meant revenge but his English is so bad that he didn't say revenge correctly (as in his line meant to be "I will get my revenge!"). Both subbing messages were fine, either Rezombie (literally sounds like it), and Revonge (screwed up way to say revenge). The message is the same, and the intended context is also the same.
(However the odd thing is that he might have said revenge before, but I don't remember. Though the same thing with the Sunohara not realising Tomoyo and the bear are the same person, so you can have this revenge difference where one is wrong and the other is right since the target intent were both different.)
On a random note, come to think of it, episode 10 had ridiculous amounts of foreshadowing that actually chronologically made some sense, without deterring (incorrect diction) away from the initial content. Just about anything seen within the episode had some sort of significance, or has a later implication (or was thrown in there for fun.), though most of the episodes that are more comedy based have been like this anyway.
On another random note, Tomoya had at least 3 Konata-like faces, one on the Sunohara is bad at English, one on the reply to Kyou at the drama club, one interrupting Kyou in introductions (oh wait I didn't include the shock blue head not feeling too well faces, maybe because the LS ones were more extreme than the ones used, so those didn't seem to match as well.) Well, perhaps the idea was to be a bit smug, so that's why they used the faces.
I still cry foul play on that certain truncation lol.
Rip .ass file with VirtualDubMod, edit and remux with mkvmerge. I've been doing it a lot with Clannad to compact dialog in my screenshots. :cool:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1739/sunohararezombie10mx8.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunohararezombie10mx8.jpg)
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9431/tomoyaxnagisanagisawaswxc7.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tomoyaxnagisanagisawaswxc7.jpg)
I'm still waiting for an explanation of "rezombie", by the way... =/
cool, so that program allows you to add subs? didnt sprocket subs translate it to "i'll get my revonge on you"?
tripperazn
2007-12-08, 00:37
I'm still waiting for an explanation of "rezombie", by the way... =/
Sunohara says something like "risonben", it's much better pronounced by Kotomi, I guess "rezombie" is an appropriate approximation.
Sometimes people don't like to say something like "fukushuu" for revenge, and go for "ribenji" instead, since it sounds a lot like "revenge" in english, which is what Sunohara meant. It's a lot like how some anime characters say "san kyuu" for "thank you" instead of "arigatou/doumou/etc etc"
FlareKnight
2007-12-08, 01:54
Seems like Kyou's attack accuracy is improving. Mowing down Tomoya seems to work well and got an excellent shot in later in the episode. Forget the dictionaries :). Definitely gave more of the Kyou and bi material to work with.
Wow that violin could be registered as a weapon of mass destruction. I mean sure there was a gut feeling she wouldn't be the most skilled...but wow that was some powerful music right there.
Just a nice episode to get things going again after some pretty heavy stuff with our lost character.
mmm, delicious kotomi. i preferred this ep over the last one. though thats probably because i like the funnies more than the sads. also, massive bonus points for the kotomi/kyou molestation.
holyman282
2007-12-08, 02:23
It's interesting, I've only noticed recently but Kyou tries to constantly get the female characters that hang out with Tomoya to hang with her instead. Only in this ep do I realise that she's probably trying to get the girls away from him to set him up with her sister (ironic because it's obvious she has feelings for Tomoya too...)
The dream(?) is back, so peaceful.
Kotomi so kawaii especially when hidding behind Tomoya, and the emotion of Kotomi when meeting Kyou is so funny and cute...
The 2 kick of the episode is nice as well, long time didnt see a nice kick.
Wow, kotomi special techniq, violin attack. :heh:
the old man at the end of the episode is who?
Next episode preview, Kyou try to make her move toward Tomoya?
More than enough comedy and moe to get a 10 for me.
Random bits:
I love Ryou.
Tomoyo can now have 2 support characters in MUGEN. I'd like to see.
Nagisa + Kotomi + Ryou = moe overload.
I still miss Fuko. This episode would kill much more if she's still around.
therationalpi
2007-12-08, 03:52
This is a real fun episode. Lots of humor to contrast with the lots of serious from the last episode. Kotomi is extremely cute. Ryou is also extremely cute (cuter, imho). Nagisa is extremely cute, as well. Put the three in one room, moe overload. You essentially need Kyou there to break up the moe by kicking Tomoya in the face.
I really wish that the Ryou possibility would get more play. It's obviously a set up to get Kyou's story rolling, but Ryou is an interesting character in and of herself (Though, maybe she is too similar to Nagisa personality wise).
This was a really nice opening episode for kotomi's arc. I really look forward to the next one.
sakuravs
2007-12-08, 04:12
It was 2 a.m here when I was enjoying watching this funny episode and then got freaked out by that crazy violin sound. (bs...) They dramatized & electronically modified the violin sound too much, it's not like the sound when you press the bow too hard on the strings at all. Instead, that sound just reminds me of the J horror movie "The Grudge 2", what a nightmare.
Sorrow-K
2007-12-08, 05:08
It's interesting, I've only noticed recently but Kyou tries to constantly get the female characters that hang out with Tomoya to hang with her instead. Only in this ep do I realise that she's probably trying to get the girls away from him to set him up with her sister (ironic because it's obvious she has feelings for Tomoya too...)
I have a feeling that's going to play some significant part during Kyou's arc.
KholdStare
2007-12-08, 05:11
Like many, I didn't really like Kotomi (maybe because of the little screen time she had during Fuko's arc) and I wasn't excited to watch this episode. However, this episode changed my opinion of her and she has become a likable character to me now.
The mood transition of this anime is one of the best I've seen. Last episode made me teary and this episode just somehow made me laugh out of loud with a sense of continuation and a hint of sadness that Fuko is now forever gone from their lives (at least for now). Youhei is back to his old self, Kyou getting jealous as usual, Nagisa and Tomoya acts like they're just classmates, and in fact, everything is normal except for an inexplicable feeling of warmth that brought everyone closer. Truely, Clannad is becoming one of my favorites of this season. 9/10
P.S.: Ryou is still the cutest/hottest character in Clannad and Kyou x Kotomi ftw!
holyman282
2007-12-08, 05:54
The mood transition of this anime is one of the best I've seen. Last episode made me teary and this episode just somehow made me laugh out of loud with a sense of continuation and a hint of sadness that Fuko is now forever gone from their lives (at least for now). Youhei is back to his old self, Kyou getting jealous as usual, Nagisa and Tomoya acts like they're just classmates, and in fact, everything is normal except for an inexplicable feeling of warmth that brought everyone closer. Truely, Clannad is becoming one of my favorites of this season. 9/10
I agree, you know, in this ep I didn't even realise that Tomoya was calling Nagisa Nagisa now, until Kyou pointed it out. Really natural and it's obvious that the relationship between Tomoya and Nagisa has gotten closer.
Lost-Wisdom
2007-12-08, 06:36
Great episode, definitely show more story with the genius girl.
The ending also cracked me up where
Ryou lovers are rising in population, I think we will need a Ryou thread soon.
Oh and I was caught off guard by Kotomi-chan's violin as well, leaving a bit stunned and laughing after a hectasecond or so.
Funny episode, Kotomy is so cute!! *__* Somehow, I think is similar to me...
Main Char / Supporting Char[TH]
Okazaki Tomoya
Ichinose Kotomi
Furukawa Nagisa
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Sunohara Youhei
(Mysterious World)
Sakagami Tomoyo
Nishina Rie
Furukawa Akio
Furukawa Sanae
Sagara Misae
Ibuki Fuuko
18:52
15:31
7:51
6:25
5:35
1:43
1:32
1:18
1:13
0:02
0:02
0:01
0:01
Kotomi's Guardian -------- 0:05
And here I was thinking Kotomi was a master violinist....
Well, at least we know Kotomi wan't lying when she told Kyou she was strong. :p
deathreape98
2007-12-08, 07:25
funny episode, 10/10
Anybody noticed this?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j319/bkg9990/circles2.jpg
the last episode only has 1 :O
Anybody noticed this?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j319/bkg9990/circles2.jpg
the last episode only has 1 :OGreat observation. Upon you giving the heads up, i search the episodes.
Episode 6 = 0 light balls
Episode 7 = 1 light ball
Episode 10 = 2 light balls
Anyone has any idea what it means? You may want to review those episodes to tell us why, but I think it has something to do with Fuko(for now).
GoldAlchemist
2007-12-08, 07:42
Hail NotoMami a.k.a. Kotomi. :bow:
"Tomoya-kun, good afternoon."
"Kotomi. Hiragana's form of Kotomi. Please call me Kotomi-chan."
"Bully me?"
"Good afternoon. Enchante. I'm Ichinose Kotomi from Class 3A. My hobby is reading. If possible, i would like to be your friend."
I must have been listening to those for like 10 times each. She's uber kawaii! :D
minhtam1638
2007-12-08, 07:42
Main Char / Supporting Char[TH]
Okazaki Tomoya
Ichinose Kotomi
Furukawa Nagisa
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Sunohara Youhei
(Mysterious World)
Sakagami Tomoyo
Nishina Rie
Furukawa Akio
Furukawa Sanae
Sagara Misae
Ibuki Fuuko
18:52
15:31
7:51
6:25
5:35
1:43
1:32
1:18
1:13
0:02
0:02
0:01
0:01
Kotomi's Guardian -------- 0:05
And here I was thinking Kotomi was a master violinist....
Well, at least we know Kotomi wan't lying when she told Kyou she was strong. :p
Where is the series total screentime?
Klashikari
2007-12-08, 07:43
Apparently, Divini is calculating by it himself/herself.
Great observation. Upon you giving the heads up, i search the episodes.
Episode 6 = 0 light balls
Episode 7 = 1 light ball
Episode 10 = 2 light balls
Anyone has any idea what it means? You may want to review those episodes to tell us why, but I think it has something to do with Fuko(for now).
Maybe a progress to a girl? Nagisa = 1 and adds another 1 for Kotomi xD
but I doubt Im right :P
Klashikari
2007-12-08, 07:53
Personally, I believe the first light ball was Kouko's wish, considering the timing (after Fuko's classroom). Then, After Fuko's success, her own wish for Kouko was granted, thus another light orb.
Oo, so Kyoani actually brought the 'flagging system' into the show itself? Nice lol
Hmm meaning, we get to see like 6-7 orbs as there are 6-7 chars(Mains and supporting characters) that gets their wish granted.
That actually makes sense fer me.
dgreater1
2007-12-08, 08:20
Finally, I had time to go home and watch my most favorite CLANNAD character :heh:
All I could do was "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA" and "Grin Grin Grin Grin" at the episode. :D
I don't have any complaints about the show except I was expecting something different from KyouxKotomi. And the rezonve (revonge, rezombie, rezonge, dovenjo, etc. etc.) part surprised me because I wasn't really expecting that it will come from there. CLANNAD does have plenty of surprising elements for those who have played it despite they kinda know what will happen. :heh::heh::heh::heh:
The "I'm actually really strong so I don't want you to bully me." was perfectly played as well, even better than the game itself. The way she hides behind Tomoya is pure win. But anyway, as someone who knows Kotomi (because I did her game arc), I can say that Kotomi does show signs of having an Asperger syndrome (and I'm sure she's even worse until she met Tomoya). But anyway, all I can say to defend her is, she also does show genuine interests to other things and other people, the only thing is, she's too shy and afraid to act on her own.
GoldAlchemist
2007-12-08, 08:32
Anybody noticed this?
the last episode only has 1 :O
You're so observant, very impressed indeed. :)
No Bulb:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5148/clannad0bulblz9.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad0bulblz9.jpg)
One Bulb:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1057/clannad1bulbll4.th.png (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad1bulbll4.png)
Two Bulbs:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1370/clannad2bulbsst9.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad2bulbsst9.png)
I just check all 10 episodes out. From Ep 1 to Ep 6, no bulb; from Ep 7 to Ep 9, one bulb; and in Ep 10, two bulbs. I think it's like:
No Bulb: Introductory Arc
One Bulb: Fuuko Arc
Two Bulbs: Kotomi Arc
... I'm speechless. I mean, if I didn't have two eyes myself and had short attention span I would swear you are a game player, or even a KyoAni representative! Oo
Other than that, KyoAni has been traditionally bad at making transitions. Be it arc transitions, scene transitions or any act of them that starts with t and somehow ends with ransitions has always felt bumpy and unconnected, Not anymore, or at least I think they have been studying and taking notes :p
After taking a look at those scissors and Kotomi's sudden "trance", I am really starting to get a Shiori feel. After all, she did express some serious worries about bullying and when talking about her parents. Such a lonely Kotomi :(
But hopefully it won't be a repeat.
And of course they blatantly explained Ryou's feelings.
Phoenix14
2007-12-08, 10:09
That was one of the best episodes yet.
velocity7
2007-12-08, 10:24
didnt sprocket subs translate it to "i'll get my revonge on you"?
Yeah we did. His English sucks anyway, and in the game, Tomoya points out, "it's not revonge, it's revenge". ;)
Woo Kotomi :love:
Another great episode :D
"Nande Are?" :heh:
Hunter Sock Monsters
2007-12-08, 10:39
LOL run down by a damn moped, thats just made of fail for Tomoya but made of win for the rest of us!
Starfish flashback for the epic win!!
I dont know who is more shy Nagisa or Kotomi... another Big Dango Family fan, that'll make Nagisa happy :)
lol Kotomi chops up books, silly girl :p
Tomoya's reaction to being called a bum was entertaining...
Kotomi looks cute when scarred, also cowering behind Tomoya is a prefect compliment to the scarred part.
Kotomi and Tomoya's reaction to Ryou's fortune reading is perfect. Tomoya is indignant while Kotomi seems devastated by the news at least Ryou was able to counteract herself :p
Friend #2 has been made
Friend #3 is a good one to have. if anyone picks on Kotomi Tomoyo will be able to kick their asses in 0.9 seconds flat. though it is a cute scene with Kotomi hugging the bear dressing Tomoyo. another part of Kotomi is revealed in that she loves teddy bears...
LOL Sunohara vs Da Bear and the winner is... Da Bear
Kotomi looks uncomfortable being hugged by Kyou
LOL the meet and greet was great especially Tomoya's "My hobby is bullying weaklings" WHAM!! kicked right in the head
The violin seen was just too damn funny, especially all the glass shattering and then everyone falling on the floor. That just seems the perfect way to end the start of a new character arc, with something very entertaining.
minhtam1638
2007-12-08, 11:00
Can we please start calling Sunohara "Youhei", please?
Youhei does have a little sister, after all.
Then, Tomoya should start calling Fujibayashi as Ryou.
Poor Ryou-chan is so ignored.
rusyixun
2007-12-08, 11:06
Well, Kotomi certainly makes Nagisa look outspoken! Although so far she doesn't seem to be more than the stereotypical smart + extremely shy girl. My personal opinion, from the hints in the episode, is that she doesn't really want to study all this stuff, and would rather play violin instead. However, her parents are forcing her down the path of academia, or perhaps more likely she has the misconception that she'll let her parents down if she doesn't follow in their footsteps.
Still, I found FMP and Haruhi far more enjoyable to watch than Clannad (and Kanon for that matter), despite the copious humour so far. I think it's a problem with the premise: I would much rather watch a show where you introduce a bunch of interesting characters, and then watch them do wacky things. With this setup, at each point we're on a girl's arc, so only situations which develop her character occur, and it the show becomes more restricted and predictable as a result.
Fortunately, this arc seems to have a fair bit of character participation, so it should be fairly interesting. 7/10 for this episode.
Ashlotte
2007-12-08, 12:12
Kotomi is such an adorable little space case. :love:
As always this show makes me laugh like no others...Guess I should stop fighting it heh. I came into this expecting more of a serious drama series, but if I just accept it as more of a comedy I find it to be quite abit more enjoyable. ;)
minhtam1638
2007-12-08, 12:34
Then, Tomoya should start calling Fujibayashi as Ryou.
Poor Ryou-chan is so ignored.
I was talking about us, not Tomoya.
KaneDragon
2007-12-08, 12:41
I was talking about us, not Tomoya.
I call it like I hear it, and I'm not going to read your spoiler tag.
I was talking about us, not Tomoya.I know :p, I'm just pointing that there's no need for us to be calling any character by a certain name. As much as how Tomoya chooses to call his friends, anyone else can do the same. Especially when your reason is in spoiler tags, people who drastically avoid spoilers will have no idea why they have to call him Youhei.
grey_moon
2007-12-08, 12:59
Has Nagisa broken out of her say food to encourage her self thing or have they just not shown it?
SuperKnuckles
2007-12-08, 14:42
Personally, I thought the finale of Fuko's story arc was way too forced and cliche and a bit run of the mill. But even then it was still pretty good.
But Clannad seems to be at its best when the characters are just running around and having fun for no real purpose.
I didn't think they could get a girl who is more messed up in the brain than Fuko, but I was proven wrong.
Would they be able to one up Kotomi somehow? I'm sure something is up with Nagisa's physical problems and other girls obviously have a few hidden issues they're hiding. I just wish it doesn't get too sappy by the end. I rather enjoy these non consequential episodes.
KaneDragon
2007-12-08, 14:48
As a side note, I feel like the conversations on humor would have made more sense if Eclipse hadn't translated "boke and tsukkomi" as "jokes and jabs", but that's not really anything I can fault them for. Not like I really know that much in the first place. Just means I have to pay more attention. How does the other group handle it?
Kotomi-chan is adoorable!
Where is the series total screentime?
I figured that I would start posting the total only after the end of each 'arc'. I do update it each episode personally, for the sake of pondering.
:hmm:
I suppose it would be good for everyone to ponder as well. Here it is: (putting Ep10 again for convenience)
Main Char / Supporting Char[TH]
Okazaki Tomoya
Ichinose Kotomi
Furukawa Nagisa
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Sunohara Youhei
(Mysterious World)
Sakagami Tomoyo
Nishina Rie
Furukawa Akio
Furukawa Sanae
Sagara Misae
Ibuki Fuuko
18:52
15:31
7:51
6:25
5:35
1:43
1:32
1:18
1:13
0:02
0:02
0:01
0:01
Kotomi's Guardian -------- 0:05
Main Char / Supporting Char
Okazaki Tomoya
Furukawa Nagisa
Ibuki Fuuko
Sunohara Youhei
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Ichinose Kotomi
Ibuki Kouko
Furukawa Sanae
Sakagami Tomoyo
Furukawa Akio
(Mysterious World)
Yoshino Yuuske
Botan
Miyazawa Yukine
Mitsui
Koumura Toshio
Sagara Misae
Nishina Rie
Okazaki Naoyuki3:19:48
2:14:46
1:23:11
47:53
23:26
23:12
19:52
16:44
15:44
13:26
10:48
6:18
4:58
3:21
2:40
2:31
2:02
1:48
1:13
1:05
* For those who are wondering Kotomi got about 3.5x more screentime this ep than she did for the first 9 episodes ;)
* Kyou overtakes Ryou!
On a final (repetitive) note, Kotomi is like, the essence of moeness. :love:
* Kyou overtakes Ryou! Noo!
I'll ignore that since its inevitable, but wow, Sunohara sure gets alot of screentime.
Cookies.
Noo!
I'll ignore that since its inevitable, but wow, Sunohara sure gets alot of screentime.
Cookies.
What would we do without him though :uhoh:.
This episode was very heart-warming. Also, Tomoya trying to teach Kotomi about manzai reminds me of a similar discussion my family had during Thanksgiving dinner, when my cousin's husband and I were trying to teach her about "comedic sarcasm". :laugh:
Also, I'm not quite sure about Kyou's intentions... Either she's really into Tomoya herself, or she's trying to set him up with Ryou... I can see implications of both.
As a father of an autistic child, I cannot help but be blunt about this: It is sad that nobody has included the talk of autism, in this case Asperger's Syndrome, in their discussion of Kotomi.
As an Aspie myself, think I can see what you're trying to get at. However, I don't think she's that bad; just a bit reserved and shy.
Drawing attention away from the lovely moe violin horror of doom, Tomoyo is currently at 1015 hits, correct?
They didn't show the counter. :upset:
I figured that I would start posting the total only after the end of each 'arc'. I do update it each episode personally, for the sake of pondering.
We like the running totals. :cool:
2. I know I've heard that music after the OP somewhere. I don't think it was in the OST, though. What was it? Nevermind, found it. :)
Care to share please?
Cute episode! Lots of interesting stuff in this one.
It seems like Fuko hasn't been entirely forgotten yet~ ;)
I watched both the Sprocket/TWH and SS&Eclipse fansubs, at the part where they are doing the tsukkomi joke at 19:35-19:55 the fansubs deviate in translation. For Tomoya's response to Kotomi's 'I'm very strong so don't bully me' comment he says "I can't go anywhere with you" in the Sprocket/TWH one and in SS&Eclipse's "I can't get along with you". What does he actually say in Japanese? I can only make out this much 'kimi to...'. Thanks for any response ^^.
KaneDragon
2007-12-08, 18:47
I just shrugged it off as a set response to the boku/tsukkomi routine. Both translations have about the same meaning, anyway....
CrisisDarkerXIV
2007-12-08, 20:23
Nice episode
I had a Sunohara reaction when Kyou popped out of nowhere and hugged Kotomi. MWAAAA!!! I loved it!
This anime can go nowhere but up.
What the heck of episode.
LOL.
Eviltape
2007-12-08, 22:52
なんでよね?
I want this to become a meme, but it's not going to be. :\
Actually it is Nandeyanen (Kansai-ben), and it is pretty much the catch phrase of Kansai comedy already :p
Sinestra
2007-12-08, 23:35
Kotomi is so cute its almost unbearable. The constant is she bully or is she bullying was just to funny. I think im going to enjoy this arc oh almost forgot her not responding unless chan is added to the end of her name. Poor Sunohara he has the worst luck,
9/10 great episode
Especially since someone gave her twin a certain opportunity to make the most out of. Oh i wonder whats shes talking about:rolleyes:
Mirrinus
2007-12-08, 23:59
I didn't really like Kotomi as much as I thought I would, as her passive and timid attitude sometimes gets on my nerves (timid people are a pet peeve of mine). However, this episode had quite a bit of Kyou goodness, so that could be forgiven. I'm really liking Kyou's character right now, and seeing both routes developing is pretty interesting to watch. This episode did actually make me laugh on several occassions, from Kyou mowing down Tomoya in her scooter to all the tsukomi jokes. Still can't believe how much I'm laughing at a Key/Visual Arts story...
Kinny Riddle
2007-12-09, 03:30
Yeah we did. His English sucks anyway, and in the game, Tomoya points out, "it's not revonge, it's revenge". ;)
Yeah, I notice they even included Sunohara's flawed use of the word "revenge". Good job to them on that.
As a side note, I feel like the conversations on humor would have made more sense if Eclipse hadn't translated "boke and tsukkomi" as "jokes and jabs", but that's not really anything I can fault them for. Not like I really know that much in the first place. Just means I have to pay more attention. How does the other group handle it?
Personally, I guess that's as good as it gets, since the concept of "boke and tsukkomi" is just a nightmare to translate for the non-Japanese speaking audience, I'm speaking through personal experience as I've personally gone through some editing Kotomi's story in the Clannad game translation just a while ago. (Which reminds me, I need to go back and help velocity7. :cool: )
Hage-bai
2007-12-09, 05:20
It is clear that Kyou's character is by far the most interesting of all the girls in the show. The rest don't even come close.
Owaranai Destiny
2007-12-09, 06:27
Just one Kotomi-centric episode, and somehow her behaviour already seem rather endearing to me. Or maybe that could just be my "anti-social" past self speaking out loud. :p
-The first few scenes involving Nagisa and Tomoya seem to wrap up the Fuuko arc quite nicely. Good to see that Fuuko remains a distinct and warm yet unidentified memory in them. As for the 'Other World'...At times like this, I marvel and am thoroughly impressed by the animation from KyoAni. Obviously of great quality, and probably borne of hard work. Looks like I'll have to stop complaining about small hiccups in animation of a few series. ;)
-Moe Explosion from Kotomi, as expected. :heh: With her quirks (Wanting to be called Kotomi-chan and play the violin) as well as her behaviour (Cutting out pages from books, getting easily sidetracked/distracted), there HAS to be some sort of a past behind all these, something explicable, of course. I'll be expecting some interesting story on this, hopefully.
Tomoya's fast becoming similar to a certain male protagonist in a recent KyoAni series. ;)
-Another interesting point I see here is that Kyou seems to adopt a different attitude towards Tomoya when he's with a girl (perhaps aside from Ryou, of course). Foreshadowing for her arc, perhaps?
-Humor-wise, it was pretty entertaining with Kotomi's attitude and Tomoya's exasperation. Never thought I would live to see Tomoya getting owned twice by Kyou, especially since he had been able to dodge her earlier attacks...Speaking of which, her attitude regarding her sister from the first few episodes as compared to now is a little...dissimilar as well. Hm.
Anyway, a 8/10 for entertainment value. Brought out quite a bit of laughs for me.
Preview:
"Nandeyanen?!?" :heh:
Doesn't look good...Especially after that "Earth-shaking" performance from Kotomi-chan. :p
That really depends on preference. While Kyou is rather quirky and fun(?), i much rather prefer the hamster to the gorilla :heh:
As for this episode - well, i must say i rather enjoyed it. The comedy is nice, and while i am not that captivated by Kotomi yet, she has the chance to grow on me quickly. Seeing how socially awkward she is, i assume most of her story is going to be about Tomoya trying to get her to break out of her shell. We already have some hints regarding some possible trouble with her parents, though it is still early to tell what exactly the deal is.
I wasn't really expecting her violin music to be a requiem for ears, especially considering we see her in the OP playing a violin. I guess that (the violin) is supposed to play a rather important part in her story as well. Oh well, we shall see. And when even Kotomi-chan questions whether Tomoya is going out with Nagisa, you know you are on to something :heh: Though we all know it is an inevitability sooner or later :)
Ryou having a crush on Tomoya was not unexpected, as it was hinted several times already through the series (for that matter Kyou is a suspect to this as well i would say) ... sadly she doesn't stand a chance, i just hope she won't try to go through fire and water for this, because she is bound to crash and burn.
Looking towards some more moe-ness oozing Kotomi-chan from now on :heh:
KholdStare
2007-12-09, 07:09
Although I hope that this arc will be as good/better than Fuko's arc, KyoAni is going to have to pull something for it, since I think that Fuko's arc is way better than others they've done, such as Makoto's, Ayu's, or Shiori's (although the latter came close and IMO is still the best arc of Kanon). Who knows? Episodes 7 and 9 of Clannad showed that KyoAni can improve over their past works, so there might be hope after all. I know many will disagree, but even though Fuko showed many similarities to Makoto, Fuko's arc was better in my opinion.
By the way, Ryou has to be the most major minor character I've ever seen. Although she doesn't really have an arc, her "arc" is arguably intertwined with everyone else's arc unlike Youhei, who's a true secondary character.
holyman282
2007-12-09, 07:18
By the way, Ryou has to be the most major minor character I've ever seen. Although she doesn't really have an arc, her "arc" is arguably intertwined with everyone else's arc unlike Youhei, who's a true secondary character.
I don't think that's the case, Ryou's situation is only a result of her twin sister's arc (in other words she's a plot device mainly to develop Kyou's feelings I believe). We have seen by the OP who the major girls are for Clannad and Ryou was shown with the side characters. Personally to me, she is just like Sunohora (a secondary character), a crying shame really.:upset:
tripperazn
2007-12-09, 07:36
Although I hope that this arc will be as good/better than Fuko's arc, KyoAni is going to have to pull something for it, since I think that Fuko's arc is way better than others they've done, such as Makoto's, Ayu's, or Shiori's (although the latter came close and IMO is still the best arc of Kanon). Who knows? Episodes 7 and 9 of Clannad showed that KyoAni can improve over their past works, so there might be hope after all. I know many will disagree, but even though Fuko showed many similarities to Makoto, Fuko's arc was better in my opinion.
IMHO, KyoAni was trying to do too much with the comedy in Fuuko's arc. There is no doubt that KyoAni is still improving from the way that they have tied together some minor elements of other arcs while keeping focus. I didn't see that much in Kanon. However, Fuuko just developed in such a light-hearted way that it was hard to transition into the serious drama involving her condition.
KholdStare
2007-12-09, 08:33
IMHO, KyoAni was trying to do too much with the comedy in Fuuko's arc. There is no doubt that KyoAni is still improving from the way that they have tied together some minor elements of other arcs while keeping focus. I didn't see that much in Kanon. However, Fuuko just developed in such a light-hearted way that it was hard to transition into the serious drama involving her condition.
Hm, I thought that the comedy and drama mixed together perfectly in Fuko's arc, but of course, that's just me. Actually, the reason why I think this series is so good is the ability to make me laugh and teary within 5 minutes of each other. While many who watches this Clannad for drama (like I initially did) may find this annoying and interfering, I just find it brilliant. I agree that it was hard to go from comedy to drama in Fuko's arc, and I also had my doubts, but they somehow succeeded. In many ways the character arcs from Kanon feels very detached, and I was really glad to see the great transition between Fuko's and Kotomi's arc, so that's a plus right there.
About Ryou what I mean is she keeps popping up so often that you might think she would be a major character later on. I never raised her above Youhei, but I was just stressing the fact that she received so much screen time and based on her current interactions with Tomoya it feels like she would be a an arc sooner or later. I'm taking this from the anime perspective on what's being shown so far.
tripperazn
2007-12-09, 09:07
Hm, I thought that the comedy and drama mixed together perfectly in Fuko's arc, but of course, that's just me. Actually, the reason why I think this series is so good is the ability to make me laugh and teary within 5 minutes of each other. While many who watches this Clannad for drama (like I initially did) may find this annoying and interfering, I just find it brilliant. I agree that it was hard to go from comedy to drama in Fuko's arc, and I also had my doubts, but they somehow succeeded. In many ways the character arcs from Kanon feels very detached, and I was really glad to see the great transition between Fuko's and Kotomi's arc, so that's a plus right there.
About Ryou what I mean is she keeps popping up so often that you might think she would be a major character later on. I never raised her above Youhei, but I was just stressing the fact that she received so much screen time and based on her current interactions with Tomoya it feels like she would be a an arc sooner or later. I'm taking this from the anime perspective on what's being shown so far.
I didn't mean that Fuuko's arc was poorly done by any means, but I just didn't feel the impact that probably Makoto's arc had in Kanon. Her degeneration was pretty much the sole focus of several episodes and the hopelessness of the situation really got me I guess. Also, Fuuko is a strong girl and bore her hardships extremely well. While that makes me really admire her strength, it somewhat decreases the drama IMO.
I can definitely understand where you're coming from with Ryou as a side character, but almost all of Clannad's side characters play pretty substantial roles in various arcs. If you want, I can direct you to a site with thorough information on all the characters and their roles. Just PM.
Owaranai Destiny
2007-12-09, 09:11
About Ryou what I mean is she keeps popping up so often that you might think she would be a major character later on. I never raised her above Youhei, but I was just stressing the fact that she received so much screen time and based on her current interactions with Tomoya it feels like she would be a an arc sooner or later. I'm taking this from the anime perspective on what's being shown so far.
Foils are important, no?
Perhaps her constant appearance now is simply a build-up to Kyou's arc, though it WOULD be nice if she did indeed had an arc of her own...:eyespin:
KaneDragon
2007-12-09, 10:50
Personally, I guess that's as good as it gets, since the concept of "boke and tsukkomi" is just a nightmare to translate for the non-Japanese speaking audience, I'm speaking through personal experience as I've personally gone through some editing Kotomi's story in the Clannad game translation just a while ago. (Which reminds me, I need to go back and help velocity7. :cool: )
I'm not saying I really know much what I'm talking about, so maybe there's more to it and the line had to be drawn somewhere, but since "boke and tsukkomi" refers to a specific style of comedy, I feel that those two words at least should be left untranslated. Once you've read what it is, it doesn't seem that hard to understand (maybe watching Hayate the Combat Butler helps :p )...
I don't mean to criticize the people putting out the effort to translate this stuff for us, it's just that it mildly bugs me when one of the few words/phrases I (stubbornly think I) recognize from the audio gets subbed as something else...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BokeAndTsukkomiRoutine
Called manzai in Japanese, this is a kind of comedic duo, but also the interaction between two characters who constantly play off each other. A boke's job is to set up the gag by by telling a story or explaining a fact which is obviously false (making him an idiot) or flawed (making him sneaky). The tsukkomi is, roughly, the straight man who has to correct them, often physically. Normally, both members of the comedy duo will speak in Kansai-ben. It is common in Osaka as well.
When the characters do this purposely to impress, it's not supposed to be very funny and no one will laugh, despite good intentions.
The Western equivalent is, very roughly, an Abbot and Costello routine.
DazarGaidin
2007-12-09, 11:01
Good episode...i really sont find kotomi very interesting yet but i found Kyou's parts in the episode very interesting, especially with her apparent interest (rivals comment) in tomoya and the preview :P
What was up with her 'creating a chance' for her sister or whatever, its kinda confusing, is she trying to get with him herself or hook her sister up or both?
Maybe she was trying to hook her sister up with Nagisa :P
if they do want to do kyou and tomoyo's arc..i have no idea how they gonna pull that off :D (releasing an ova might sound a good idea, like air special summer arc, and for clannad, special tomoyo arc and kyou's arc lol, too much hoping :( )
well well playing the game i found that kotomi is a moe character, but when she is portrayed in anime.. man i'm dying from moe overload here, that shy and pure attitude (coupled with some stupidity) is a pure win, add "nande ane" omg... and that groping scene, jesus christ spare my nose :D
lol yea, she sucks at violin =/
I'm happy to see one of my most favorite anime characters of all time got 'reborn' in this show. The new arc captures much of the image of Rin Tohsaka, and the new blue hair is very nice :D.
In anycase, this ep was presentation and humor on a light scale, nicely done.
What was up with her 'creating a chance' for her sister or whatever, its kinda confusing, is she trying to get with him herself or hook her sister up or both?
Beginning of the Kyou arc.
You will see why later.
bloodyknight
2007-12-09, 21:42
I just think that Kotomi is just plain stupid... It is as simple as that!!!
Originally Posted by jtrog
In anycase, this ep was presentation and humor on a light scale, nicely done.
I do agree without a doubt, man...
If you think Kotomi is stupid, then I must be beyond saving. ;/
holyman282
2007-12-09, 23:21
I just think that Kotomi is just plain stupid... It is as simple as that!!!
Your opinion is a common misconception reguarding those who are a true genius (in the academic sense). These people are naturally gifted, as their brains allow them to focus/concentrate on things many times better then us normal people. They can be considered true geniuses as opposed to just getting high grades in subjects. Because of this abnormal brain function, many of them tend to lack social skills needed and may appear to be stupid.
Basically a true genius lives in a different world to us normal people and I find the portrayal of Kotomi to be quite realistic if she is indeed as smart as everyone says she is.
Seems like Kyou's attack accuracy is improving. Mowing down Tomoya seems to work well and got an excellent shot in later in the episode. Forget the dictionaries :). Definitely gave more of the Kyou and bi material to work with.
Wow that violin could be registered as a weapon of mass destruction. I mean sure there was a gut feeling she wouldn't be the most skilled...but wow that was some powerful music right there.
Just a nice episode to get things going again after some pretty heavy stuff with our lost character.
I read all the way back in pages and didn't notice the accuracy thing, but actually it shows a trend.
If it's a dictionary, it won't hit Tomoya because he has enough time to react since it's a projectile (or you can just call it danger sense therefore auto-avoid), but then again he did not dodge the starfish carving, so it probably only applies to dictionaries. However, if Kyou is within physical vicinity to make contact, then Tomoya cannot evade it (ex: ep 4 choke, ep 10 moped run over, ep 10 tsukkomi counterkick).
It's funny how the highest explosion of energy so far in the anime comes from the character's route who has the first impression of ... just about the opposite amount of energy. (Gee and no surprise this is my favourite route. And yes, Kotomi first impression is not that superb.)
Hm, based on Divini numbers, it was 3.5x more appearance of Kotomi? That's still a huge increase then. Yeah, this route was definitely timely. Though, this route by default already makes the routes more synergetic. This is so ironic since Kotomi pretty much has nothing to do with the other routes (this is already clear, given the little relevance in introductions, Fuuko's route, and with the segmented pattern, will appear less after the route is over most likely). I suppose independent routes let the adaptation flow better, if it incorporates other characters pretty well. :P
IRJustman
2007-12-10, 00:55
I just think that Kotomi is just plain stupid... It is as simple as that!!!
Upon what do you base your statement? I'd like to hear your reasoning.
--Ian.
kimchipride
2007-12-10, 00:59
Kyou > All the other girls
I really really really hope it ends up as Kyou + Okazaki. She seems to be taking an important role. Although we're no on her arc, she'll probably be an important character in the Kotomi arc.
ImpulseRAven
2007-12-10, 01:02
What was up with her 'creating a chance' for her sister or whatever, its kinda confusing, is she trying to get with him herself or hook her sister up or both?
Maybe she was trying to hook her sister up with Nagisa :P
i thought Ryou had a crush on Tomoyo, but she's so timid and shy that her polar opposite Kyou trys to help her take steps foward.:confused:, So im assuming that Kyou likes Tomoyo too but doesn't go after him cause it would hurt her sisters feelings?
HayashiTakara
2007-12-10, 03:11
ok,... am I the only one that can't get enough of the episode 11 preview? I can't stop lol'ing
Edit: I also believe Kyou has a thing for Tomoya, I think its pretty apparent.
Mirrinus
2007-12-10, 04:06
Yeah, the previews have been quite hilarious so far, with the ep 10 preview and now the ep 11 preview. Thus is the power of taking things out of context.
Owaranai Destiny
2007-12-10, 06:03
Kyou > All the other girls
I really really really hope it ends up as Kyou + Okazaki. She seems to be taking an important role. Although we're no on her arc, she'll probably be an important character in the Kotomi arc.
Easy for anyone to say, especially since Kyou has been prone to do enter a scene in 'spectacular' fashion (dictionary, flying kick, moped...) and we've been seeing a lot of her too.
I gather Kyou's your favorite, then? ;)
As it has been mentioned earlier, there is a possibility that her arc might be intertwined with Kotomi's, or it might even simply be the fact that Kotomi's arc might serve as a base for Kyou's arc to begin comfortably.
Kyou > All the other girls
I really really really hope it ends up as Kyou + Okazaki. She seems to be taking an important role. Although we're no on her arc, she'll probably be an important character in the Kotomi arc.
She is an interesting and energetic character indeed, though in your case i wouldn't hold your breath for her and Tomoya to get together. A snowball in hell has better chances than any girl who isn't named Nagisa and wants to hook up with Tomoya. I think that is glaringly apparent :)
bloodyknight
2007-12-10, 06:36
Upon what do you base your statement? I'd like to hear your reasoning.
--Ian.
Hey, guys!!! I think you are mistaken... What I mean is her being stupid for her EQ... not IQ... Some may say that it is a fact since she is such a true genius...
Then I can tell you... It is also a fact that they are unique because they are stupid in how they show themselves to ordinary 'even more stupid in IQ and sometimes EQ' people!!!
She really does not need to introduce herself to Tomoya three times... and all three times for actually to introduce herself to people, not just him... Even I got as frustread as Tomoya when I saw that, dude!!!
'I think Kotomi is so going to cut me down with the scissor that she always carried along...'
Owaranai Destiny
2007-12-10, 07:34
Hey, guys!!! I think you are mistaken... What I mean is her being stupid for her EQ... not IQ... Some may say that it is a fact since she is such a true genius...
Then I can tell you... It is also a fact that they are unique because they are stupid in how they show themselves to ordinary 'even more stupid in IQ and sometimes EQ' people!!!
That's a sentence that will get you misunderstood easily. :heh:
'Stupid' isn't really quite the word to use, but it's obvious that Kotomi-chan does indeed have rather low EQ.
She really does not need to introduce herself to Tomoya three times... and all three times for actually to introduce herself to people, not just him... Even I got as frustread as Tomoya when I saw that, dude!!!
That should come from her nervousness from meeting new people, as she had stated to Tomoya after her first and peculiar meeting with Nagisa. She was afraid, and it isn't easy to change even with Tomoya helping her. In such instances, it comes to the point where she turns to the person she's most familiar with.
Of course, not knowing what else to say, all she could do was a 'Konnichiwa, Tomoya-kun' until he gave her a script of sorts to use. ;)
'I think Kotomi is so going to cut me down with the scissor that she always carried along...'
You're not a book. :heh:
Bonta Kun
2007-12-10, 09:24
Awesome ep, gotta love Kotomi-chwan! she's too adorably cute for her own good:p
that preview had me RIBLing(rolling in bed laughing:heh:) for ages
forgot to add, Kotomi-chwan's first attempt at a jab = LOL
KaneDragon
2007-12-10, 11:17
She is an interesting and energetic character indeed, though in your case i wouldn't hold your breath for her and Tomoya to get together. A snowball in hell has better chances than any girl who isn't named Nagisa and wants to hook up with Tomoya. I think that is glaringly apparent :)
Yes, it makes me a little sad, and will no doubt do so much more whenever we get Kyou's arc and she no doubt gets more deredere. But with all the overwhelming interactions between Tomoya and Nagisa (Nagisa is a good girl. ;_; ), I can't really protest their relationship, unlike a certain accursed character-who-will-go-unnamed from K*non. :p
Sinestra
2007-12-10, 15:04
Man some of your guys are pretty harsh of Kotomi. Although its your opinion i dont think she should be baggered for being socially inept. I mean the girl is affraid and to me thats real. SHe spends all her time reading books and did not seem to have any friends untill Tomoya and Nagisa came along. Granted her introducing her self 3 times could get annoying but i understood the reason behind it. Oh well watching her should prove to be lots of fun
bloodyknight
2007-12-10, 21:29
That's a sentence that will get you misunderstood easily. :heh:
'Stupid' isn't really quite the word to use, but it's obvious that Kotomi-chan does indeed have rather low EQ.
That should come from her nervousness from meeting new people, as she had stated to Tomoya after her first and peculiar meeting with Nagisa. She was afraid, and it isn't easy to change even with Tomoya helping her. In such instances, it comes to the point where she turns to the person she's most familiar with.
Of course, not knowing what else to say, all she could do was a 'Konnichiwa, Tomoya-kun' until he gave her a script of sorts to use. ;)
You're not a book. :heh:
Oh really... How did you know I'm not?!
Well, whatever it is, i must admit that i use the wrong word here... She's not 'that
sensitive word' and behave like this as she would have liked...
That's the thing... Nobody has ever came up to her and tell her that whatever she has done is incorrect, until Mr. Helper comes by... As far as i am concerned, i can say that her parents did not even care about her or don't even have the time carig for her... That is what I am guessing...
'How the hell didn't they have time for her anyways? They are professors from the university, aren't they? Wait, is that the reason why Kotomi tries so hard to be smart Theoretically and not practically... Go figure?!'
bloodyknight
2007-12-10, 21:33
Man some of your guys are pretty harsh of Kotomi. Although its your opinion i dont think she should be baggered for being socially inept. I mean the girl is affraid and to me thats real. SHe spends all her time reading books and did not seem to have any friends untill Tomoya and Nagisa came along. Granted her introducing her self 3 times could get annoying but i understood the reason behind it. Oh well watching her should prove to be lots of fun
Just to add... Pity, I have for her... at the same time, I am annoyed by her behavior... And who's to blame for that? Our old boy here has to teach her like she is a child even though she is exactly his age... because nobody ever done this sort of thing for her in the past... I suppose not even her professor parents did... Pity, i really have... for her being in a family that gives only one portion of their love to her and totally dispose the other side which is most important for Kotomi herself... You know what i mean?!
tripperazn
2007-12-10, 21:39
Just to add... Pity, I have for her... at the same time, I am annoyed by her behavior... And who's to blame for that? Our old boy here has to teach her like she is a child even though she is exactly his age... because nobody ever done this sort of thing for her in the past... I suppose not even her professor parents did... Pity, i really have... for her being in a family that gives only one portion of their love to her and totally dispose the other side which is most important for Kotomi herself... You know what i mean?!
It's not Key's style to leave such a major character trait unexplained. Have you noticed that Kotomi's eyes look sad when her parents are mentioned? That is foreshadowing. I'm not going to spoil, but Kotomi wasn't always this socially awkward.
HayashiTakara
2007-12-10, 21:40
Kotomi has 0 social skills... and the way she acted when her parents are mentioned... I smell something fishy going on, and I'm willing to bet they are somewhat responsible for her behavior. I'm willing to bet that if she were raised in a normal way, regardless of IQ, and her parents didn't push her hard (which I'm just speculating since her parents are scholars and all) she wouldn't have these social issues.
Ice Climbers
2007-12-10, 21:40
Absolutely a gorgeous episode, got me laughing quite a few times. 10/10
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-10, 21:42
Kotomi has 0 social skills... and the way she acted when her parents are mentioned... I smell something fishy going on, and I'm willing to bet they are somewhat responsible for her behavior. I'm willing to bet that if she were raised in a normal way, regardless of IQ, and her parents didn't push her hard (which I'm just speculating since her parents are scholars and all) she wouldn't have these social issues.
Hmmm.... a quite "normal" interpertation of the situation.
HayashiTakara
2007-12-10, 21:46
Yeah, its a'lil cliche, but it's usually the case... Me and your mom are uber smart, and you better be too or I'll disown your butt!!!!!!!
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-10, 22:43
What I want from the next episode:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/d0025291_47595d3d7f362.gif
DJ_RockmanX
2007-12-10, 22:44
What I want from the next episode:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/d0025291_47595d3d7f362.gif
Delicious. :p
HayashiTakara
2007-12-10, 22:53
Delicious. :p
indeed it is
PhantomX
2007-12-10, 22:54
I laughed whenever she said that in the preview XD
I also liked the little "scooching" animation for Kyou in the preview... I'd be psyched if I didn't have finals breathing down my neck.
Hmm... Nobody hoping for Kyou+Ryou+Tomoya "events"? :p
From what it looks like, KyoAni is mixing Kotomi's and Kyou's arc together if not setting it up for Kyou to be the next story. Because it seems for the time being, Tomoyo is treated as a side character =\
Hmm... Nobody hoping for Kyou+Ryou+Tomoya "events"? :p
From what it looks like, KyoAni is mixing Kotomi's and Kyou's arc together if not setting it up for Kyou to be the next story. Because it seems for the time being, Tomoyo is treated as a side character =\
But the thing is that most of the scenes that had Kyou or Ryou or both with Kotomi are pretty much in Kotomi's route, so it's not exactly a merger. Now those small other hints, although it has slight correlation to Kyou's route, it already did exist in a small way in Kotomi's route anyways.
Also the things in the preview were also pretty much in Kotomi's route too.
Kyou+Ryou+Tomoya events I anticipate will occur in "Kyou's route". It's too obvious it will manifest after this route (not necessarily right after, but definitely after.) And yes there are certain events that are like that that haven't occurred yet, but stating any will be spoilerish, but having possible later events is all but obvious.
And yes, currently Tomoyo is treated as a side character. From all the small antics, you know absolutely nothing about her route.
Now there are interesting combinations and orders and certain events/chronologies that Kyoani can play around with to work or interweave the last three routes together.
So far at least the additives haven't been horribly hampering. They surprisingly are better balanced mergers. Yeah, it's all because of Kyou being a balanced support character (note that I still think Nagisa is a terrible, terrible side character in terms of new inserts, as in put into scenes that she wasn't in. If she was already a side character in a route, then she's fine. On the other hand it's the perfect excuse too because of the conditions, but it's odd since she usually doesn't have anything too relevant to say besides Okazaki or hmph/omg/oh dear/oh my/are you okay/name calling. No sudden appearance strength that Kyou can render.)
Oh well, 11 seems like forever, but at least I'll be undergoing examinations imminently.
HayashiTakara
2007-12-11, 20:30
It sucks that Nagisa is constantly hanging around Tomoya... its like the absolute c**k block... how is a guy suppose to get any action with her hovering around him all the time? >_>
Possibly because this isn't that kind of series. While it is true that KANON had 'romance' as its main theme, you have to remember that this does not holds true for other KEY's games, like AIR(child-mother relationship), CLANNAD(family) or LITTLE BUSTERS(childhood friendship). Likewise, you can't go around expecting the same thing for them. Just sit down and enjoy the ride, as I've said many times before it's false expectations what make people not enjoy a series most of the time, so you are not making yourself a favor :)
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-11, 23:14
It sucks that Nagisa is constantly hanging around Tomoya... its like the absolute c**k block... how is a guy suppose to get any action with her hovering around him all the time? >_>
*Wondering if this was a joke.....*
It sucks that Nagisa is constantly hanging around Tomoya... its like the absolute c**k block... how is a guy suppose to get any action with her hovering around him all the time? >_>
dude totally and he's having so much trouble trying to explain that he's not hitting "that" while trying to hit "that" man how is he gonna get past her clinginess
another thing anyone else getting vibes that kotomi-chan is gonna snap and go nuts or something(not in a school days way more like i'm gonna punch tomoya in the face cause he's pushin' me too much) i just feel like that's what she's going to end up doing eventually(i've got nothing to base this on it's just a huge feeling when i see that cute troubled face)
KaneDragon
2007-12-11, 23:43
This conversation has lost me. Can we go back to talking about how moe Kotomi is? :p
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-11, 23:54
This conversation has lost me. Can we go back to talking about how moe Kotomi is? :p
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/d0025291_47595d3d7f362.gif
Nandeyane~?
It sucks that Nagisa is constantly hanging around Tomoya... its like the absolute c**k block... how is a guy suppose to get any action with her hovering around him all the time? >_>
:twitch: lol :p Maybe he wants to be pure?
dude totally and he's having so much trouble trying to explain that he's not hitting "that" while trying to hit "that" man how is he gonna get past her clinginess
lol, wth? where did that come from?
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/d0025291_47595d3d7f362.gif
Nandeyane~?
Im curious to why she is doing that alone kinda towards the wall :eyebrow:
And, who is watching her...
KaneDragon
2007-12-12, 01:38
And, who is watching her...
I'd watch her. :eyebrow:
Reckoner
2007-12-12, 01:45
I watched over this episode two more times, and my previous rating of a 6/10 is increased to an 8/10. I realized my severe contempt for Fuko was still contaminating the air in this episode and the "I just remembered something warm" made me go nuts while I watched it for the first time. I enjoyed it far more than the last time, and actually payed attention to Kotomi. I still stand by the too much moe in one episode for any healthy young man.
Kyou is definitely going to have the hots for Tomoya when we reach her arc. Sibling BATTLE!
This episode is starting to make me a fan of the couple Kyou/Tomoya, but unfortunately I am 95% certain that this series will obviously end with the Tomoya/Nagisa couple (Sigh the weak hearted girls freaking piss me off). For some reason.. I always fall for the couples that don't happen...
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-12, 01:47
This episode is starting to make me a fan of the couple Kyou/Tomoya, but unfortunately I am 95% certain that this series will obviously end with the Tomoya/Nagisa couple (Sigh the weak hearted girls freaking piss me off). For some reason.. I always fall for the couples that don't happen...
It depends on your definition of "don't happen."
Reckoner
2007-12-12, 01:50
It depends on your definition of "don't happen."
What do you mean by your definition? Doesn't a couple not happen or does happen? The girls gets with the guy or she doesn't? Can you explain?
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-12, 01:52
What do you mean by your definition? Doesn't a couple not happen or does happen? The girls gets with the guy or she doesn't? Can you explain?
In the anime, it probably wouldn't happen.
However, in the game..... (Points to sig as an example)
Reckoner
2007-12-12, 02:00
Ah, the game, ok I see... Thank You. I wish I could play some of these damn anime games, but alas I have a Macintosh which is discriminated by all these damn fascist computer software companies.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-12, 02:04
Ah, the game, ok I see... Thank You. I wish I could play some of these damn anime games, but alas I have a Macintosh which is discriminated by all these damn fascist computer software companies.
Come over to the Dark Side, Reckoner. Join the Microsoft Empire!
Reckoner
2007-12-12, 02:21
Come over to the Dark Side, Reckoner. Join the Microsoft Empire!
I met Bill Gates. He was an ass hole... (Maybe I was a little jealous). Hmm perhaps I'll spend my leisure money on a PC to foster my anime craze to even more sick levels :eyespin:.
Man, now that I've seen all these damn pictures, I'm depressed. Dang Nagisa, get hit by a car! Actually that's a little harsh... How about move away to another country forever!!! Then I'd really be happy with this show.
tripperazn
2007-12-12, 02:42
I met Bill Gates. He was an ass hole... (Maybe I was a little jealous). Hmm perhaps I'll spend my leisure money on a PC to foster my anime craze to even more sick levels :eyespin:.
Man, now that I've seen all these damn pictures, I'm depressed. Dang Nagisa, get hit by a car! Actually that's a little harsh... How about move away to another country forever!!! Then I'd really be happy with this show.
In that case, make sure you play the game. I think what happens will be satisfactory to you.
risingstar3110
2007-12-12, 03:14
Love the episode. Watched it twice and do a lots of rewind =]
So 10/10
Btw......
She is an interesting and energetic character indeed, though in your case i wouldn't hold your breath for her and Tomoya to get together. A snowball in hell has better chances than any girl who isn't named Nagisa and wants to hook up with Tomoya. I think that is glaringly apparent :)
Big mistake ^^
Because if i'm not wrong, hell support to be freezing in some eastern mithology
SO the little poor snowball may survive after all :D
Not a Kotomi fan, but the episode was nice. Hopefully, Nagisa will shown in the upcoming episodes too.
I don't think that she is autistic because it's not "reversible". I've noticed that Key protag tend to have reversible conditions that make them better by the end of the title, except for one title that I know of so far that is.
"Nandeyanen~~~?"
"Ijimeru? Ijimeru?"
Man, Kotomi chan can be downright endearing.
Lack of Tomoyo is racking up points for Kyou I must say. :heh:
Wonder if Nagisa will be walking Tomoya to school from now on, while he walks Kotomi home?
I watched the episode quite some time back already, but didn't have the time to post comments on it. I think everyone's already talked more than enough already, but I wanted to ask if anyone else noticed that Nagisa had a weird string tied to her finger during the preview (when Tomoya and Nagisa were arguing if letting Kotomi play was a good idea), that wasn't around during ep 10. Although I have played Kotomi's route, I must have missed out on that little detail, or it's an anime original. Anyone want to shed some light on it?
Kaioshin Sama
2007-12-12, 04:09
But I guess Kyo-Ani wanted to emphasize "Clannad is no Haruhi, it's not that kind of show". So I'll let them off. Besides, what do you think our friend Kaioshin would say if Kyo-Ani decide to adapt that? He'd go ballistic "ZOMG, FANSERVICE, THIS DESERVES A 0!!!" or something like that. :cool:
Sometimes I'm not entirely sure what people take me for.:heh: I'm the kind of guy who watches Kodomo No Jikan, which actually just had something like that last episode. Didn't matter much......
In all honesty I'm really not concerned with what a studio would choose to adapt or how they choose to go about something, but just how a show turns out. If it's good, it's good, if it's not, it's not. I tend to be a fan of a shows presentation as opposed to seeing it from the perspective of a studio's presentation, although some tend to do shows I like more often and others less. That speaks for me though and not a studio. The way I would see it is if Clannad decided to present a yuri situation to the viewer, not so much Kyoani per se. Doing this helps me to suspend my disbelief and immerse myself in a show a lot better.
That said I'm not a particularly big fan of yuri, breast grabbing, and such, but it's a non-issue as far as overall quality in a show goes as it just happens so often in anime that I'm desensitized to it. Depending of course on how far a show would choose to take it at the expense of other things.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/d0025291_47595d3d7f362.gif
Nandeyane~?
OMG! I totally can't wait for ep 11 :D
Kotomi-chan i my most favourite character next to Tomoyo and Fuko, what's the best that however she is a genius girl but because she's shy make her a little clumsy but that makes her uber-kawaii!
What's the best that when she took that violin I didn't thought that she will present a power of a sound bomb because she was looking very professional with that violin.
"Is she bullying me? Is she bullying me?" - that was the best and also "Tomoya-kun. Konnichiwa" "Yeah, this joke is really old". Genius girl + clumsy and very shy girl = uber-kawaii person.
Also a great moment was when Sunohara saw Tomoyo in bear outfit and shouted "Thats that bear that kicked my ass!"
I totally sympathize with the Fuko detractors now. Unless this character totally surprises me, I can't wait for this arc to be over. :heh:
ImpulseRAven
2007-12-13, 01:11
I totally sympathize with the Fuko detractors now. Unless this character totally surprises me, I can't wait for this arc to be over. :heh:
Huh? why the hell would you want the Kotomi arc to be over?
KaneDragon
2007-12-13, 11:37
I totally sympathize with the Fuko detractors now. Unless this character totally surprises me, I can't wait for this arc to be over. :heh:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/d0025291_47595d3d7f362.gif
Nandeyane!
hachihachi
2007-12-13, 11:43
LOL :heh:
what is it about nandeyane that she likes saying so much.
minhtam1638
2007-12-13, 11:44
I totally sympathize with the Fuko detractors now. Unless this character totally surprises me, I can't wait for this arc to be over. :heh:
He's a nonbeliever! Get him!!!
KaneDragon
2007-12-13, 11:56
LOL :heh:
what is it about nandeyane that she likes saying so much.
Ha! I bet she only says it once in the next episode. Just you wait. :p
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-13, 15:40
LOL :heh:
what is it about nandeyane that she likes saying so much.
Culture FTW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_ben#Well-known_Kansai-ben_vocabulary_and_phrases)
Culture FTW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_ben#Well-known_Kansai-ben_vocabulary_and_phrases)
Big thanks mate :) That's very usefull
Cyber_chaotic
2007-12-14, 06:06
Possibly because this isn't that kind of series. While it is true that KANON had 'romance' as its main theme, you have to remember that this does not holds true for other KEY's games, like AIR(child-mother relationship), CLANNAD(family) or LITTLE BUSTERS(childhood friendship). Likewise, you can't go around expecting the same thing for them. Just sit down and enjoy the ride, as I've said many times before it's false expectations what make people not enjoy a series most of the time, so you are not making yourself a favor :)
This man speaks wisdom on high!
oh gawd i miss fuko so much
BAAAWWWWWWWWWW!
But like most of you guys have said, Kotomi has nicely mostly that emptiness that around. I can't wait for the Ryou arc starts. But then again that's making false expectations again eh?
lol'd many times in the Kotomi 'moments'..."Tomoya-Kun Konnichiwa"
haha
The Chaos
2007-12-14, 13:53
After Fu-Chan Gone ...From Ep start...I didn't Like Kotomi..
But After Hearing her violin ...Something happened...I start Screaming...I WANT FU-CHAN BACK..
That Doesn't mean that I hate Kotomi ...:D
Nice esp.... But was really surprised on the Violin part..... :)
I like Kotomi and Tomoyo the more then the rest ...
I don't really hate the other Characters as yet .... :)
Wow, this episode has too much moeness I instantly got diabetes. Kotomi-cha~~~~~~~n :love: :love: :love: Though I was surprised when she tried to cut the books. :twitch: She's got issues there. :uhoh:
Nande yane? W00t!!!! Her moe level just rose beyond my scaling meter! :love: :love:
I call foul at...
Kyou not groping Kotomi, Haruhi-style! :(
:mad: I'm mad, too! :mad: :heh:
I want to see Tomoyo vs Kyou - just once...would be an epix scene ^^
Nice development for each of the characters but alas Tomoyo is still pretty much out of it >_< Just love seeing Kyou's dere side though...yea yea you carry on sexual harassing kotomi :3
1: I fear there will be another San/Runa War happening. :uhoh:
2: Kyou/Kotomi FTW. :3
Also:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2291/kyouxkotomiedithotlesbigf9.jpg
MUST. SUPPRESS. YURI-GOGGLES.
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I failed. ;_;
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8453/kyouxkotomiediteverydayoq0.jpg
They're hot when they're with each other. :eek: :eek:
And if Tomoya doesn't want to watch, then let me in.
*dodges Kyou's kick*
On the second thought, I never thought Kotomi would be that loaded. :eek: :eek:
God bless you, KyoAni. :D You made me smile a lot throughout this episode. And yes, Kotomi-chan. I'd be happy to become your friend. :D Even though you'd kill me with your supreme violin play. :uhoh:
Now where's that "Nande yane" preview scene gif? :heh: :heh:
~ Lawliet ~
2007-12-29, 14:41
But another epic episode. I would become more than just become Kotomi's friend, if you know what I mean.
She turned a violin into a weapon of mass destruction http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Gluecklich/201.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/) http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Gluecklich/201.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/) http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Gluecklich/201.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/) http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Gluecklich/201.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/) http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Gluecklich/201.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/) http://smiliestation.de/smileys/Gluecklich/201.gif (http://www.cocktails-island.de/)
You just HAVE to love such a girl!
I miss Fuko too much to appreciate whatever everyone else sees in Kotomi... :p
konstargirl
2008-07-03, 07:32
YAY!! This episode FTW!!!
I smiled when kotomi came to this episode because she is so cute. <3 I love it when she kept saying Hello to Tomoya.
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