Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

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[UltimaWolf]

Can't wait to find out what happens in this episode, looks like a good one. :)

[newby]

yeap me too..i cant wait!

[minhtam1638]

After being spoiled for Novel 16, I'm too scared to watch the rest of the series knowing the epic climax...

I'll still be watching it though.

[ashlay]

Khamsin's back! ^_^

episode starts right off where we left it last time. Yuji's as stupid as ever regarding all matters concerning himself, as he doesn't realize a thing till Shana tells him to look. I like the fact that Yuji is starting to bug out somewhat about his own identity though.

Konoe and her bracelet comes up again...in fact the entire scene with her and the butler ends up being very odd because of the utter silence. I don't really mind them leaving this subplot hanging, but I do hope they don't leave this till the end of the season. oh, and very pleased with Shana NOT regressing into jealously with Yoshida. Her yelling at Yuji to do his best made it still feel in character too. Anyway, Kantarou ends up being a good guy, and Chigusa and him make a nice pair. Think he actually has the same voice actor as that short lived Tomogara Kasha back in episode 3.

but for those of you not interested in that, like I said, last minute or so is Khamsin and Wilhelmina meeting up in Paris, and Khamsin revealing some more info about Pheles.


next week the uniforms change back to fall/winter versions, and Wilhelmina seems to return to Japan. this next week or two should be wonderful.

[piku]

compare with the last epidode and#7... no doubt for my worry about the drawing style of S2 (not that bad as 'cabbage' though...).
looking for some improvement in the follow episodes.

kantaro's part and school sences were insipid compare with the last 4 episode and the original novels. cannot wait for battle between pheles and margery and wilhelmina. it will be more interesting for wilhelmina telling story about pheles and johan in next episode.

original ending for S2 is a must... as the novel seems not end at March 2008, according to some information from official. in my point of view, we can just wait for S3 or something...

S2 will be hold at 12/27 and 1/3 for new year break, will come back on 1/10.

and the seiyu of Kantaro: Keiji Fujiwara (the same as crayon shin chan's father...)

[Kyuusaisha]

Original endings almost always fail HARD, I mean just look at Claymore. Anyway a good episode although the animation quality dropped by alot it was still good.

[PhantomX]

They don't necessarily have to have an original ending if they decide to do a third season. They could always end it on a cliffhanger... personally I think it would be awful yet awesome at the same time :P

[Tokkan]

I think Shana should be glad she isn't Juliet. Romeo and Juliet committed suicide, remember? I guess that's some form of symbolism, that any relationship between Yuji and Kazumi is doomed at the chance of ever happening. Though, this episode feels more like one of the school episodes from season 1 than any of the ones from season 2, so I'm wondering about whether or not people are going to come in and complain about this episode.

[ThoHell]

Hm, interesting interesting. Can't wait to see how things play out, so many conflicting things arising. I sense internal friendship fighting in the future and preview for 11 looks interesting as well. Yuji is a bundle of mysteries all in oner.

[UltimaWolf]

After being spoiled for Novel 16, I'm too scared to watch the rest of the series knowing the epic climax...

I'll still be watching it though.

Me too :D Spoilers are hard to stay away from. :heh: But I still can't wait to see how it all unfolds!

[serenade_beta]

Back to everyday life (I like it :)).

More "suspicious" scenes of Fumina and Jiiya, I wonder what...
Kazumi and Shana are suddenly getting a lot more friendly with each other, and their love "deepens". Kazumi gets to be Juliet (symbolism?).
Kantaro wasn't really all that exciting. All he did was give some love advice that isn't all that interesting...
Pheles, more is revealed...
Kahmshin is back, though it's not like I care.

Random thoughts:

-Sakai parents got married as students... Huh...
-Weird faces occasionally
-Wow... Kantaro drank the whole glass without moving his mouth...

Preview - Ooh! Pheles and Johann! And the festival preparation.

[PhantomX]

I think Shana should be glad she isn't Juliet. Romeo and Juliet committed suicide, remember? I guess that's some form of symbolism, that any relationship between Yuji and Kazumi is doomed at the chance of ever happening. Though, this episode feels more like one of the school episodes from season 1 than any of the ones from season 2, so I'm wondering about whether or not people are going to come in and complain about this episode.

The big difference is that this actually has some revelations with regards to plot, and isn't purely angst/filler :\

[newby]

yea this episode is nice. shana matured! lol =x

[Deathkillz]

I want my old shana back ;__;

Oh whatever happened to the good old hot headed, loud mouth and spunky shana we all knew and love - in this season she just seems so boring!

Not even an "urusai" zomg >.>

Yet another average ep imo...slow moving and rather flat...more fights please :)

[grey_moon]

@DK - You just answered the thing that has been niggling me about Shana. I totally agree with you!

[Kinny Riddle]

Firstly, JC STAFF, YOUR ANIMATION IS SH!TE TODAY!!! :mad:

There, that's off my shoulders.

Anyway, the only highlight has to be Yuji's old man, Kantarou. Since that is taken directly from novel volume 9.

Fujiwara Keiji (Maes Hughes in Fullmetal Alchemist, Aizawa the Afro detective in Death Note and Hanamoto-sensei in Honey & Clover) is an excellent choice as Kantarou, he's got that air of laid back, yet mature personality in his voice. Plus he's worked with Kugimiya Rie (FMA) and Kawasumi Ayako (Nodame Cantabile) before, so he has no problem interacting with them in the scene where Kantarou cross-examines his future daughter-in-laws.

It's been a while since we've seen Khamshin, and it's really a rare sight to behold to see Wilhelmina look so distressed at hearing what Khamshin had to say. Probably the first time we've seen her look so insecure.

[HayashiTakara]

I want my old shana back ;__;

Oh whatever happened to the good old hot headed, loud mouth and spunky shana we all knew and love - in this season she just seems so boring!

Not even an "urusai" zomg >.>

Yet another average ep imo...slow moving and rather flat...more fights please :)

Its called character growth, maybe? haha , j/p... but, I do miss her triple urusai's :(

[Deathkillz]

^ her character design also showed her to have grown a few years :rolleyes:

still doesnt justify her change in personality so much goddam >.>

also noticed that S1 has more of a plot than what we are shown now...

"boss shows up" "gets his ass kicked" "next one comes"

now it's just...

...

bleh >_<

[HayashiTakara]

I find it refreshing really.. Its much better than those anime girls that are consistantly abusive towards the male lead until they solidify their relationship (ie confession)... I like seeing the girl taking the step to make the guy like them, rather than be abusive cause he's paying attention to another girl.

[ashlay]

^ her character design also showed her to have grown a few years :rolleyes:

still doesnt justify her change in personality so much goddam >.>

also noticed that S1 has more of a plot than what we are shown now...

"boss shows up" "gets his ass kicked" "next one comes"

now it's just...

...

bleh >_<
no, this season has a plot. it's certainly slow moving, but it's there.

though again, I do agree it's taken an extremely long time for a 'boss' of some kind to show up. well, maybe next week. ^_^

[alvinkhorfire]

Its called character growth, maybe? haha , j/p... but, I do miss her triple urusai's :(

The last triple urasai was at season 2 episode 1 when Shana denied her confession to Yuji, right?

[Tokkan]

"boss shows up" "gets his ass kicked" "next one comes"

... this is what constitutes as plot to you? I'm sorry. You have an ill-defined view on what a plot is. That's not a plot, that's what happens in old Filmation superhero cartoons.

This is especially stupid 'cause you're about to get a boss anyway. Pheles is coming.

[serenade_beta]

The Promised Two

There are 3 days left until Misaki High's School Festival "Clear Autumn Festival".

The research announcement using the classroom, the refreshment booths in outside tents, and making costumes for the costume parade.

The people that are busy with preparations are not just Yuuji's class, but many classes were staying overnight to work as well. It is said that the preparation is said to be extremely fun. Especially creating a festival with your fired up friends, and spending the night together is exceptionally so.

But in that confusing excitement, Kazumi refreshes her determination to be honest, and Shana faces her own heart directly.

And on the night Wilhemina comes back, Yuuji will have to face a new ordeal.

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/11_01.jpg - .........

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/11_02.jpg - Nice moon...... -_-

...... A rather boring preview... -_-

The Wilhelmina part has potential, but not the Kazumi/Shana love part.

Why? I swear that they had already done that this episode. Plus Kantaro's advice. Must they look through their thoughts again...?

[HayashiTakara]

The last triple urasai was at season 2 episode1 when Shana denied her confession to Yuji, right?

yeah, that was the last time she said it... man thats 9 episodes ago...

[minhtam1638]

Yes! It's the moment I've been waiting for! Next week, that beautiful scene under the romantic moonlight...

[lua thien]

Perhaps Yuji will be putting his combat skills to the test against Pheles when she arrives. When you face an enemy, it's kill or be killed. There is no exception, especially in his case.

[ashlay]

...... A rather boring preview... -_-

The Wilhelmina part has potential, but not the Kazumi/Shana love part.

Why? I swear that they had already done that this episode. Plus Kantaro's advice. Must they look through their thoughts again...?
better get used to it. If the past is any indication, they're going to repeat this dance an endless number of times. :\

[Tokkan]

...... A rather boring preview... -_-

The Wilhelmina part has potential, but not the Kazumi/Shana love part.

Why? I swear that they had already done that this episode. Plus Kantaro's advice. Must they look through their thoughts again...?

Sounds to me like in ep 11 they're actually going to take action... well, at least Shana is. If you can't get "taking action" from "facing her own heart directly", I don't know what you can.

EDIT:
better get used to it. If the past is any indication, they're going to repeat this dance an endless number of times. :\

True, they've been going on about that whole thing since season 1 and it's never really gone anywhere, aside from something that was retconned out of existance.

[ashlay]

True, they've been going on about that whole thing since season 1 and it's never really gone anywhere, [SPOILER]aside from something that was retconned out of existance.
how is that a spoiler? anyway, it's what the series is built on. (as good or bad as that may be) setbacks happen, much like the training sessions that served as Shana + Yuji's main time together being put on permanent hold this week. :rolleyes:

[X10A_Freedom]

A slow episode. The whole bit about his dad felt like a time-wasting filler (I haven't read the novels). Also noticed the drop in the art/animation with the faces of characters not very well drawn.

I'm a little bored with the 90% slice/filler and 10% battle of season 2. Season 1 was more like 40% slice/filler and 60% battle, where the 40% served extremely well to lighten the heavy atmosphere.

With Pheles and such, I do hope things blow out of proportion, leading to chaos! Next episode...aw gawd, not another flashback...although this time it's relevant.

[HayashiTakara]

Pheles is gonna be Shana's biggest competition...

granted that its not yuji himself she wants, but theres no doubt in my mind theres gonna be sexual tension. Also, I think thats what all of these episodes are about basically... I think they wanted to further justify Shana x Yuji before throwing Pheles into the mix.

[alvinkhorfire]

episode starts right off where we left it last time. Yuji's as stupid as ever regarding all matters concerning himself, as he doesn't realize a thing till Shana tells him to look.


Nothing wrong with that. He is just too excited to show to Shana that he can finally able to cast Fuzetsu, until he is completely unaware of his flame colour.

The big difference is that this actually has some revelations with regards to plot, and isn't purely angst/filler :\

Compared to Fumina arc which is anime original content, the present school episodes is from the novels. Thus, we can roughly know when the school episodes end.

[ashlay]

Nothing wrong with that. He is just too excited to show to Shana that he can finally able to cast Fuzetsu, until he is completely unaware of his flame colour.
wasn't saying there was.

Yuji can be as thick headed as he likes. ^_^

[grey_moon]

wasn't saying there was.

Yuji can be as thick headed as he likes. ^_^

Yuji has been demoted to dumb harem lead. Shame really as I thought he was a quite nicely rounded character. The only good thing is he wasn't totally mangled as in another show that JC were involved in.

[ashlay]

Yuji has been demoted to dumb harem lead. Shame really as I thought he was a quite nicely rounded character. The only good thing is he wasn't totally mangled as in another show that JC were involved in.
that's what'll get you: expectations. I've been watching this entire season expecting absolutely nothing, and as such have yet to be really disappointed. Yuji's the same old Yuji really, he's just moving at a snail's pace along with everyone else. though I suppose that can make things rather annoying if you're looking for the plot to go somewhere fast. well, maybe next week, when Wilhelmina prods Yuji into to action or somesuch.

anyway, I'd again point out that calling Yuji a lead might be a bit misleading. At the end of the day, Shana's the protagonist and Yuji's the support character.

[PhantomX]

Well, if the anime makes it far enough, Yuji will certainly be stepping out of his pushover role.

[Tokkan]

anyway, I'd again point out that calling Yuji a lead might be a bit misleading. At the end of the day, Shana's the protagonist and Yuji's the support character.

Actually, the series gives me the impression that they're joint protagonists.

... The Japanese wikipedia agrees with me, too.

[ashlay]

Actually, the series gives me the impression that they're joint protagonists.

... The Japanese wikipedia agrees with me, too.
nope. there can be only one protagonist, and that is indeed Shana.

she's the one with the rivals in love, problems with family, flashbacks, and the one saving the day most of the time. And her name is the title. Yuji is certainly focused on and has problems, but again there can be only one focus.

[minhtam1638]

nope. there can be only one protagonist, and that is indeed Shana.

she's the one with the rivals in love, problems with family, flashbacks, and the one saving the day most of the time. And her name is the title. Yuji is certainly focused on and has problems, but again there can be only one focus.

Since when is the number of protagonists in a story limited to one? Have you read my analysis in the novels thread?

[Shana-tan]

Yes! It's the moment I've been waiting for! Next week, that beautiful scene under the romantic moonlight...


What scene are you talking about? :eyebrow:

[minhtam1638]

What scene are you talking about? :eyebrow:

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[ashlay]

Since when is the number of protagonists in a story limited to one? Have you read my analysis in the novels thread?
have you looked at the definition of protagonist recently? you can have multiple protagonists, sure. but there's only one protagonist in the end: quantitatively someone has to edge all the other characters out.

but nevermind that. you know the events of the novels, and as such explicitly why Shana is the protagonist. >_<

What scene are you talking about? :eyebrow:
see the preview. :heh:

[minhtam1638]

have you looked at the definition of protagonist recently? you can have multiple protagonists, sure. but there's only one protagonist in the end: quantitatively someone has to edge all the others out.

but nevermind that. you know the events of the novels, and as such explicitly why Shana is the protagonist. >_<

Well, any story that is said in third-person omniscient point of view really throws my perception of protagonists way off.

[ashlay]

Well, any story that is said in third-person omniscient point of view really throws my perception of protagonists way off.
true, it's much easier to see the protagonist when they're narrating, like in a property such as Haruhi. (though as with all things, having a character that narrates doesn't always mean they're the protagonist 0_o)

[Shana-tan]

If it were not for this rule:

I would have posted the picture that stated much more than a thousand words. Instead, I'll send you a PM.

Thank you very much!

Oh God :twitch: JC Staff don't fail me in this one! :frustrated:

[DX HBK]

With the lull of action once more, the episode has lost its importance value for subbing.

Geez, even other people call Shana as "Shana" instead of "Yukari".

Kantaro sure knows how to keep tabs on his wife and son and the rest of the "village people". But I wonder on who keeps an eye on him?

[HayashiTakara]

Well, people are accepting Shana as her "nickname" when in actuality, she has accepted it as her first real name as she never had one.

[ashlay]

With the lull of action once more, the episode has lost its importance value for subbing.

Geez, even other people call Shana as "Shana" instead of "Yukari".

Kantaro sure knows how to keep tabs on his wife and son and the rest of the "village people". But I wonder on who keeps an eye on him?
if this episode was indication, that would be Chigusa. (when she knows he's there anyway)

[lua thien]

Here's an idea:

Pheles confronts Yuji who is forced to defend himself. On the verge of defeat, Yuji overrides the current Fuzetsu with his own. Margery sees the Silver flames and charges in to kill Yuji but Pheles intercepts and fights Margery while Yuji escapes.

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Ep 10 is boring.
I think Yuji is not that bad of a character. He might be slow with romance but he's not emo and always fight without thinking twice. Now that he can cast fuzetsu, i expect him to become flame haze in the future.
The Kantaro guy is not interesting enough. I was hoping he has something to do with tomogara and such but he just gives lame advice. And who cares about him and Chigusa's marriage history lol what a waste of space.
Pheles must be the green-haired girl in the opening. Finally, another mature woman to add to the balance.

[ZODDGUTS]

Boring episode and the dad waiting outside stalking the whole day was rather stupid. The animation also was rather medicore guess there saving the budget for the action scenes...

The Kantaro guy is not interesting enough. I was hoping he has something to do with tomogara and such but he just gives lame advice. And who cares about him and Chigusa's marriage history lol what a waste of space.

Also thought the same about his character didn't really add much to the series which is why I dissapointed in the episode though he would be an interesting character but didn't turn out that way.

[Kristen]

More slice of life means bad Shana. Very tiring episode with no real point, just like everything for 3 until 7. Well, at least they got somewhere here with Yuji's father coming back.

I'd rate it a 5 for being a boring Slice of life episode [4] with an added bonus [1] because it had SOME plot in it [Yuji's father returning]. But since the last 2 minutes seemed to show potential for better episodes to come, I'll give it a 6.

[HayashiTakara]

Well... actually, Yuji can't be a flame haze.. cause he has the powers of a king of guze.. he's something else all together... more powerful than a flame haze.

[Cheezy]

Gee, give me less konoe kazumi and more Shana.

And increase the pacing alredy.

[Grimkill7]

Next episode looks promising. If I had to give a guess, I'd say that the school festival will mark the end of all this Konoe business. Don't quote me on that though :D

[KaneDragon]

MYSTERIOUS SHINY BRACELETS OH NOES! o_O :rolleyes:

Pfft. At least we won't have to put up with Yuji and Konoe together as Romeo and Juliet. And Yoshida is opening up to a threesome. Everybody wins. :p

[kimchipride]

I hate these eps that talk about love and how they have "do what your heart tells you to do" moments. It's interesting how they talk more about the Reiji Maigo what they shoul've done 8 eps ago.

[HayashiTakara]

Shana's relationship with Yuji is basically what the show is about. Everything else is a catharsis.

[minhtam1638]

Shana's relationship with Yuji is basically what the show is about. Everything else is a catharsis.

Don't you mean "catalyst"?

[Whitemoon648]

A really good episode. Well i wonder if Pheles is that green haired girl in the OP.

Also another thing to mention is i think Sakai's dad is more than a regular person. I doubt he is just a regular person. I am saying this, because we dont know how Sakai got Reigi Maigo. So it will be interesting.

[akitakumi]

yeah i also think that the light green hair girl is pheles and he is finding johan which is in reiji maigo... anyway this episode was cool but i reli hope that shana is juliet :heh:

[Master Chibi]

What the crap did this show turn into?

I mean seriously, how many times did Shana and what's her face (this shows you how much I actually care at this point) just stare into nothingness after someone blubbered some cliche crap about love? When did this show turn into "101 mind numbingly long and slow ways to get into Yuji's pants?"

This show had a romantic aspect to it second, and all the mystery of being a flame haze, and where Shana came from, and the real FANTASY aspect is what pulled me in the first season. We already went through this crap with Shana and what's her face with the two dumb things in her hair fighting over him, why are they seriously pushing it again? It was seriously bad enough that the realtionship between Shana and Yuji reset at the start of the season (absolutely the worst direction to go with imo), but to DRAG this type of thing out with an obvious plot device that noone actually cares for (that being Konoe)?

Yuji's dad was pretty boring too. "Oh HEY SORRY, I LIKE STALKING GIRLS HALF MY AGE AND ALL, TEE HEE HEE". Yeah ok. Fifty bucks says Chigusa takes that sorry guy upstairs laters, puts a strap on, well, on, and goes to work on the guy. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Let's get to the really freaking meat of the show here, seriously.

[KaneDragon]

Haha, Yuji's dad just standing behind that lightpole all freaking day was just amusingly weird. Stalker-san must be spending time in jail between appearances, lol.

Where you been, Dad? It's been like, 30 episodes. Don't I even get a hug? ;_;

;_;

Agreed, Chibi, should have seen that "deep conversation about love" coming a mile away.

Looking forward to info on the Mango.

[Tokkan]

but to DRAG this type of thing out with an obvious plot device that noone actually cares for (that being Konoe)?

Konoe actually had something to do with what happened in this episode? Since when? :eyespin::eyespin:

I suppose if was the wrong choice to put this arc after the Konoe arc, but it can't be helped. The stuff happening here (the festival, development of Shana's approach to Yuji) acts as a setup to a meaty part of the story.

[Master Chibi]

Well then they should have made this second season 13 episodes long. 10 episodes in and we've barely gotten anything worth remembering.

[Guardian Enzo]

I retain hope that Khamsin's reappearance might be a catalyst to bring some much needed ass-whuppin' to all this teen angst. Anyone who can make other flame haze wet themselves in fear at the mere mention that he plans to fight certainly has the mojo to make it happen.

[Anh_Minh]

So, who was Silver? The former owner of the Reiji Maigo? Just a freakish tomogara who ate the real Yuuji and made a torch out of him?

[Master Chibi]

So, who was Silver? The former owner of the Reiji Maigo? Just a freakish tomogara who ate the real Yuuji and made a torch out of him?

Who cares?

We have to repeat what someone says 10 times during an episodes!

"IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME."

[Reckoner]

This is what we call a stalling episode folks! Get ready for some big plot development...

Overall this episode got an 7/10 from me as it did well for what it was intended to do. It got points knocked off for lame life advice (Honestly they make it seem like Shana is brain dead) and honestly crap drawing. Otherwise I was pleased that there was no more jealously going on since that was getting very annoying.

[Tokkan]

This is what we call a stalling episode folks! Get ready for some big plot development...

Yeah... apart from the fact that the preview for the next episode flat out told us that there's going to be some big plot development.

[teachopvutru]

Yeah... apart from the fact that the preview for the next episode flat out told us that there's going to be some big plot development.

For some reason, Shana's previews have always seem to give out a lot of the plot in the next episode. :rolleyes:

[Grimkill7]

For some reason, Shana's previews have always seem to give out a lot of the plot in the next episode. :rolleyes:

I think it's because the show's former glory has been so corroded away, that they have to do whatever they can to get people to watch the next episode.

[Tokkan]

I think it's because the show's former glory has been so corroded away, that they have to do whatever they can to get people to watch the next episode.

Aside from eps 3-6, Shana II has been exactly like the first season in terms of storytelling. My observations have shown me that people are either bitter about those episodes and that's why they look down on the slice of life episodes, or they're completely missing what the focus of the story is. I'm liking season 2 so far, the only disappointment I had was the 4-episode length of the Konoe arc. That was unnecessary, the slice-of-life moments are an important element in Shana but to make a whole story arc based around it isn't exactly the smartest thing to do with a fantasy series, since it leaves the plot at a standstill.

[minhtam1638]

What the crap did this show turn into?

I mean seriously, how many times did Shana and what's her face (this shows you how much I actually care at this point) just stare into nothingness after someone blubbered some cliche crap about love? When did this show turn into "101 mind numbingly long and slow ways to get into Yuji's pants?"

This show had a romantic aspect to it second, and all the mystery of being a flame haze, and where Shana came from, and the real FANTASY aspect is what pulled me in the first season. We already went through this crap with Shana and what's her face with the two dumb things in her hair fighting over him, why are they seriously pushing it again? It was seriously bad enough that the realtionship between Shana and Yuji reset at the start of the season (absolutely the worst direction to go with imo), but to DRAG this type of thing out with an obvious plot device that noone actually cares for (that being Konoe)?

Yuji's dad was pretty boring too. "Oh HEY SORRY, I LIKE STALKING GIRLS HALF MY AGE AND ALL, TEE HEE HEE". Yeah ok. Fifty bucks says Chigusa takes that sorry guy upstairs laters, puts a strap on, well, on, and goes to work on the guy. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Let's get to the really freaking meat of the show here, seriously.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm personally offended by your words here.

So when did this show turn into 101 ways to whatever? Hello? Have you even read the novel material? As much as Shana's confession in season 1 was beautiful, IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO FRICKIN HAPPEN! Takahashi had to make sure J.C. Staff went to every single plot that was missing in season 1 that had a lot of emphasis on material.

So, you got pulled in by fantasy, eh? Well, this show isn't all about fun and games, you know. As much as this was considered shounen anime, I always detested calling this a shounen anime because of the romantic sub plot that isn't supposed to be a sub plot. It's supposed to be 50-50, not 80-20, and now J.C. Staff is working their butts off trying to fix it so it would be on par with the novels. Best way to do that? Add filler plot. Then emphasis is served. Why haven't we moved on to Novel 10-11 yet? To make sure we cover all the important parts in Novel 8-9 that were missed in S1, you have to add something boring that builds up the plot. I'm still sort of upset that the Fumina arc has dragged out for so long, but the build up to Episode 6 made that worth it. This episode is supposed to build up to the next episode, where a scene in particular discussed at the top of page 3 will get everyone's minds blowing and all of a sudden hate Wilhelmina regardless of how much plot she actually goes through.

And since when is this show going 2 courses? Last I checked, it wasn't even announced that we're going 24 episodes.

You want meat? Go through the fat first.

[holyman282]

Well because i'm a major fan of Shakugan no Shana, I won't rate it any lower then 7, although I was a bit dissapointed with this ep, not because of the character development but because of the way it's done.

I've raised this issue a couple of times, but the way in which the writers develop and grow the characters seems unusually forced. Taking long winded philosophy from their friends and family, while seemingly maturing the instance afterwards. There has to be a better way to teach the characters lessons about love and life, without sitting them down for 5 minutes while another character talks about "wanting to be close to this person". It just doesn't flow.

I much prefer characters that learn from experience then simply from a pep talk.

Otherwise, pretty nice ep, we got some clues about Konoe and now it's near certain that she's not human. Also it seemed like Pheles and Willhemina had some past relationship? Because look at the way Willhemina reacts to talk about Pheles and how her eyes seemingly begin to tremble.

[grey_moon]

Master Chibli I salute you!

Anyway on to my thoughts about epi 10....


Okay I realise that Yoshida and Shana hanging out is supposes to signify their character growth, but after all the dango that has gone on between them its just too freaky now.

With Shana's lack of uresei and now them being bum chums, I just have no idea what show I am watching any more.

Good call on treating Margery like a wild beast who will charge at the first sign of a red flag. She has been one of the only ones to show any common (drunken) sense so far in S2. They don't watch enough anime to realise by keeping it a secret from her, Yuji will be forced to pull his powers out of his arse at a critical moment and Margery will see it and freak on him just when the situation couldn't get any worse.


@holyman282 - Hee hee I have to agree with you about the peptalk stuff. But then again we wouldn't have wasted, I mean watched 5 episodes of dumb arse Yuji if he could learn from experience instead of needing someone to spell stuff out on a big bill board for him. I'm still waiting for the person who will enlighten him.....

The reversal in Shana and Yoshida from Margery's pep talk annoyed the bleep out of me. I'm a great believer in karma and it just doesn't feel right for me when episode after episode of emo angsting gets swept under the carpet with a one liner.

Any ways I'm looking forward to the stuff in the preview.

[Child_of_Sierra]

Er, the entire scene about Wilhelmina and Khamsim was rather awkward. Wilhelmina seemed scared but Khamsim was nonchalant. (like he knew all along that Pheles was alive and the Mystes was in danger but could not be bothered to contact via long distance). They needn't really have met in person just to talk right :confuse:


funny that the previous owner of the reiji maigo was named Johan and that it now "contains" Silver.

Yuuji: Look at me! Look at me! the Silver inside me has grown this big!
Proceeds to eat Powers of Existence in the same gruesome style depicted in Margery's flashback:heh:

[Kiyoru]

Hm, this season is very slow. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like all the lovey-dovey parts, but seriously, the action in this anime beats it hands down. And quite frankly, there's not enough action in this season. The only good part of this episode was the last 2 or 3 minutes, imo.

Something better happen soon :(

edit: what's the name for the guy in the orange top and the big thingy on his back? I know he's been in past episodes, but I forgot his name ;___;

[Kristen]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm personally offended by your words here.

So when did this show turn into 101 ways to whatever? Hello? Have you even read the novel material? As much as Shana's confession in season 1 was beautiful, IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO FRICKIN HAPPEN! Takahashi had to make sure J.C. Staff went to every single plot that was missing in season 1 that had a lot of emphasis on material.

So, you got pulled in by fantasy, eh? Well, this show isn't all about fun and games, you know. As much as this was considered shounen anime, I always detested calling this a shounen anime because of the romantic sub plot that isn't supposed to be a sub plot. It's supposed to be 50-50, not 80-20, and now J.C. Staff is working their butts off trying to fix it so it would be on par with the novels. Best way to do that? Add filler plot. Then emphasis is served. Why haven't we moved on to Novel 10-11 yet? To make sure we cover all the important parts in Novel 8-9 that were missed in S1, you have to add something boring that builds up the plot. I'm still sort of upset that the Fumina arc has dragged out for so long, but the build up to Episode 6 made that worth it. This episode is supposed to build up to the next episode, where a scene in particular discussed at the top of page 3 will get everyone's minds blowing and all of a sudden hate Wilhelmina regardless of how much plot she actually goes through.

And since when is this show going 2 courses? Last I checked, it wasn't even announced that we're going 24 episodes.

You want meat? Go through the fat first.

I really understand that they are trying to get the romance part and stuff down from the books that they cut out. I mean, I can't read Japanese, so I don't know the plot of any novels, other than the first two. I just have to agree with Master Chibi.
I, as a person who has never read the books, think that the plot of this season, other than 8 and 9, has been boring and pointless. I can see why they did the 1st and 2nd episodes (To get us back into the Shana universe), but all the rest of this has just been idiotic, straying away from what got me into the series before, which was the high plot and action storyline, which focused on the specific world.
If they wanted to cover the parts of the past books that were missed, good. Make another arc, but keep it in universe. Having Shana and Kazumi doing nothing but cry for something like 3 straight episodes, having a dreaded amusement park filler episode, and then having more fillers in the school festival is just a little much. They could have covered the parts they left out much more effectively in universe. Like, maybe invent some Tomogara who comes in and Shana needs to deal with, and at the same time she is having her love triangle problems. IE, that bubbly and fat creature from season 1. Boring filler is not always the answer, if it doesn't fit in with the continuity of the storyline.

[Tokkan]

The school festival ain't really a filler element, but I'm not going to spoil you as to why it isn't.

[UPR]

Well I was happy that Shana and Yoshida have matured to the point of not getting angry for every little thing. And seeing them want more out of there relationship's with Yuji is certainly a fresh breath of air.

[DX HBK]

So much for the Carmel-san special where she says that there will be more action in this season. Think the J.C. Staff is purposely trying to sharpen the hunger for good action by depriving the first episodes of it?

[Paul]

i really do wonder when Yuijis parents got married, seems like they were about Yuijis age...

Overall a good episode, interesting how they focused on the bracelets so much..... they got to be something....... cooool.........

I wonder if we will actually see them in costumes?

Seems like the next episode will enlighten us to a lot, so just cant wait till its out...... and subbed........

[Anh_Minh]

Looks like I enjoy this season a lot more than some of the posters. (Neener, neener.)

I actually like the slice of life stuff. As far as I'm concerned, not seeing people lob fireballs at each other is a fair deal for it.

I don't crave action all that much. To be honest, while I didn't dislike it, the Yuri arc didn't thrill me any more than the Konoe arc. I just enjoyed both. And I'd certainly miss the romance if it disappeared (or was conclusively and definitely resolved.)

[S_K]

Im looking forward to next episode as i want to find out who Pheles was?
Yeah for the return of Khamsim, i hope he continues to show up again

[Guido]

It couldn't be prevented that the dynamism portrayed during Margery's memory arc slowed down once the plot returned back to the main storyline.

Nonetheless, the new twists and old-faces apparitions made this episode passable.


They truly wanted to pull out some suspense with the stranger lurking around Yuuji's house, and not having any difficulty dodging Shana's trademark kicks.

It turned out to be Yuuji's father after all. The parent that was frequently referenced in the previous season, but never showed up has lastly returned home. But I must digress upon his stalking ways just to call attention.

Anyways, Shana and Kazumi's conversation with Kantarou taught them a very important lesson regarding her feelings. The two girls have reached a stalemate, which no longer harbor that fierce rivalry from the previous season.
They have put their hearts at ease, encouraging one to each other to do their best in order to earn through love Yuuji's heart, and whomever of the two loses won't feel regrets.


The new twists is the long-distanced crisis that is brewing to Yuuji from the far horizon.

There is no explanation why his flame is silver, and Shana confirms that in her travels she never met across even once a Tomogara with a silver flame.

Let us recall that Ramie in the previous season told Margery that she ought to give up on the Silver; the Silver appears whenever and wherever he wishes to.

What could be the meaning about Yuuji's silver flame?; Could it be that the Reiji Maigo has something to do with it?

And speaking about the Reiji Maigo....
I am very pleased that season two finally will start delving upon the Reiji Maigo, which was left unattended in first season but for the reason to have available story material to animate in the current season.

Khamsin confirms some valuable data about the Reiji Maigo:
1. It is an object created as a memento from Phele's lover.
2. Pheles's is searching for it and won't stop to find it.

The possibilities are high for Pheles to be introduced into a major antagonist for this season, but it'll be a hazardous task for the animation staff to properly flesh out the plot with only slightly more than half of the show remaining.

Remember that there's still the Bal Masque hanging around, and Bel Peol has not given up on the Reiji Maigo.

And lastly, there's still the oddities with Konoe and her butler. The more the camera shots at their bracelets, the more my suspicions percentage raises to believe that she's a sort of decoy or illusion in disguise.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Alright this episode was pretty mediocre and well nothing much happened in this episode, as I thought the show was finally starting to move forward. Good thing that the next episode seems to be what I was waiting for.

[Aquifina]

I had mixed feelings about the episode. It was neat to see Yuji's dad and all, but the animation quality took a real hit, and the pacing just felt... off, for some reason.

[HayashiTakara]

It couldn't be prevented that the dynamism portrayed during Margery's memory arc slowed down once the plot returned back to the main storyline.

Nonetheless, the new twists and old-faces apparitions made this episode passable.


They truly wanted to pull out some suspense with the stranger lurking around Yuuji's house, and not having any difficulty dodging Shana's trademark kicks.

It turned out to be Yuuji's father after all. The parent that was frequently referenced in the previous season, but never showed up has lastly returned home. But I must digress upon his stalking ways just to call attention.

Anyways, Shana and Kazumi's conversation with Kantarou taught them a very important lesson regarding her feelings. The two girls have reached a stalemate, which no longer harbor that fierce rivalry from the previous season.
They have put their hearts at ease, encouraging one to each other to do their best in order to earn through love Yuuji's heart, and whomever of the two loses won't feel regrets.


The new twists is the long-distanced crisis that is brewing to Yuuji from the far horizon.

There is no explanation why his flame is silver, and Shana confirms that in her travels she never met across even once a Tomogara with a silver flame.

Let us recall that Ramie in the previous season told Margery that she ought to give up on the Silver; the Silver appears whenever and wherever he wishes to.

What could be the meaning about Yuuji's silver flame?; Could it be that the Reiji Maigo has something to do with it?

And speaking about the Reiji Maigo....
I am very pleased that season two finally will start delving upon the Reiji Maigo, which was left unattended in first season but for the reason to have available story material to animate in the current season.

Khamsin confirms some valuable data about the Reiji Maigo:
1. It is an object created as a memento from Phele's lover.
2. Pheles's is searching for it and won't stop to find it.

The possibilities are high for Pheles to be introduced into a major antagonist for this season, but it'll be a hazardous task for the animation staff to properly flesh out the plot with only slightly more than half of the show remaining.

Remember that there's still the Bal Masque hanging around, and Bel Peol has not given up on the Reiji Maigo.

And lastly, there's still the oddities with Konoe and her butler. The more the camera shots at their bracelets, the more my suspicions percentage raises to believe that she's a sort of decoy or illusion in disguise.



I so wanna spoil some things but I'm not allowed too >_<

[minhtam1638]

I so wanna spoil some things but I'm not allowed too >_<

I know how you feel.

[Ratix]

Im pretty shocked... Yuji's dad is...

A STALKER! LOL! Its his hobby WTF >_>.

Anyhow he seem to have a striking resemblance to Grimmar from Monster...

[HayashiTakara]

The fact that the story is finally getting back on track, I'm shivering with anticipation.

[bmkharuhiism]

To me, I enjoyed the episode. And the scenes with Kantarou were nice. I really don't mind the general slowdown in the action that the series has had so far this season. To me, I'm enjoying the show as it progresses and as the action picks up, I'm sure I'll enjoy that too.

[Sinestra]

Well I was happy that Shana and Yoshida have matured to the point of not getting angry for every little thing. And seeing them want more out of there relationship's with Yuji is certainly a fresh breath of air.

I agree with you to watch them mature was quite a nice change of pace. They both aknowledge that its going to take more than them arguing and given each other love declarations of war to win out in the end. The fact that Yuji is completely oblivious to this makes it even more refreshing since the girls are doig it on their own and learning as they go along.

[lua thien]

If he and Shana could just kill Pheles before getting back to the Silver issue.

[tripperazn]

If he and Shana could just kill Pheles before getting back to the Silver issue.

How can you be so sure that Pheles is the antagonist? :D

[minhtam1638]

How can you be so sure that Pheles is the antagonist? :D

Yeah, but LT's statement made me think about how J.C. Staff might actually change the ending in the anime...

[tripperazn]

Yeah, but LT's statement made me think about how J.C. Staff might actually change the ending in the anime...

Ugh...it's as if JC Staff hasn't played with the novel material enough as it is in S1 ending...I would seriously hate to have Shana die on us because of the anime.

[lua thien]

Yeah, but LT's statement made me think about how J.C. Staff might actually change the ending in the anime...

Their last minute changes were apparent in the lack of video quality in some of their episodes in the Konoe Arc. If they do decide to change the course of their anime ending, then expect the later episodes to have poor quality due to last minute drawings and animation production.

So much for daily things as dull as this. Not that it would matter in the long run.

[DX HBK]

Hey Lua Thien, in your opinion, what are Yuji's chances in combat agaisnt Pheles?

[minhtam1638]

Read my comment again, as well as minhtam2448's response. Make an inference as to why I highly doubt that Pheles will become the antagonist.
Huh? I said what now?

[DeotoxSlayer]

Read my comment again, as well as minhtam2448's response. Make an inference as to why I highly doubt that Pheles will become the antagonist.

well hes "technically" right, though Pheles isn't gunna die, the "technical" definition for antagonist is "the adversary of the main character or protagonist of a drama or other literary work"(in reference to books, tv shows, and movies anyway). So since Pheles is an adversary for Shana and Yuji (she wants to use the Reiji Maigo to revive Johan, which in turn would kill Yuji) she is also technically the anatagonist. The anatagonist isn't "The Bad Guy" as most people think. If the main character of the book is a bad guy who wants to take over the world, or destroy the world or w/e he would still be the Protagonist, and the guy who would be saving the world would still be the Antagonist.

[DX HBK]

Whoa, looks like Lua Thien got kicked out of the forums permanently so he won't be able to answer your question.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Whoa, looks like Lua Thien got kicked out of the forums permanently so he won't be able to answer your question.

Why did he get kicked out???

[DX HBK]

His last post on here got edited with spoiler posts by Klashikari and some of his other posts on other threads also were problematic by the administrators here.

Anyways,

[DeotoxSlayer]

His last post on here got edited with spoiler posts by Klashikari and some of his other posts on other threads also were problematic by the administrators here.

Anyways,

Anyways wht??? I answered the question Lua Thien was supposed to answer four posts ago...Atleast I thin I did :D:D:D

[Klashikari]

Whoa, looks like Lua Thien got kicked out of the forums permanently so he won't be able to answer your question.His last post on here got edited with spoiler posts by Klashikari and some of his other posts on other threads also were problematic by the administrators here.

I hope this offtopic will be done with my post (in other words, please do not discuss any further about the topic i'm currently posting).

In fact, you are completely wrong. Lua Thien was only informed about the fact he posted spoilers without using appropriate spoiler tags (considering the episode thread). The nature of this point doesn't concern the "public", so please don't ask or anything. So no, he is not banned, let alone permanently (One must be quite brutish to be like this so).

That said, that is the same for everyone else: please keep spoilers from future episodes AWAY from older threads until you use a proper spoiler tags (mention of the episode, and so forth).
of course, any novel spoilers are NOT tolerated in any episode thread, even in spoiler tags.

Major EDIT: I stand corrected: even recent episode spoilers are NOT tolerated. The "no future events" is ABSOLUTE.

[DX HBK]

Okay, I was incorrect.

By the way, what is the year in the anime? I see the calendar month and day but no mention on what year it is taking place.

[minhtam1638]

Okay, I was incorrect.

By the way, what is the year in the anime? I see the calendar month and day but no mention on what year it is taking place.

We can only assume it is 1990-present, whenever it is. Takahashi did not specify a specific year, and there are no clues that reference to the outside world that can tell us what year this is. Anime-wise, I believe that we can assume that it is sometime around 2000 or further, since from Episode 7, Hayato Ike researches his amusement part plans on what seems to be Windows Me.

[lua thien]

Hey Lua Thien, in your opinion, what are Yuji's chances in combat against Pheles?


Potentially, his power might be equal to or greater than Pheles but Yuji's lack of major combat skill and experience are hinderances. So he really doesn't have a chance.

You really live up to your screenname, DX HBK.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Potentially, his power might be equal to or greater than Pheles but Yuji's lack of major combat skill and experience are hinderances. So he really doesn't have a chance.

You really live up to your screenname, DX HBK.

I don't think that his power would be equal to Pheles's. They stated that his power was as high as a average Guze no Ou, and Pheles being a Guze no Ou who scares Wihelimena must be far from an average Guze no Ou.

[minhtam1638]

I don't think that his power would be equal to Pheles's. They stated that his power was as high as a average Guze no Ou, and Pheles being a Guze no Ou who scares Wihelimena must be far from an average Guze no Ou.

2 points to the Slayer. Besides, if you want a story to be read/viewed, you have to make it a decent length. I don't think we'll see Pheles out of the picture after one or two episodes.

[DX HBK]

Wilhelmina is scared but I think it's for a different reason instead of how strong Pheles is, something that hasn't been indicated as of yet. Then of course, there's that mysterious silver flame that may or may not be Yuji's unique signature.

[alvinkhorfire]

The bird mascot showing the correct way to get out of maze to Yuji and Fumina in Episode 7 is Kantaro Sakai, right?

[minhtam1638]

The bird mascot showing the correct way to get out of maze to Yuji and Fumina in Episode 7 is Kantaro Sakai, right?

Oh, no way, don't go there. Doesn't he work abroad?

[DeotoxSlayer]

Wilhelmina is scared but I think it's for a different reason instead of how strong Pheles is, something that hasn't been indicated as of yet. Then of course, there's that mysterious silver flame that may or may not be Yuji's unique signature.

While that is true. I don't think that Pheles is a weak Guze no Ou, not only because she scares Wilhelimena, but also because of reasons that can't be stated because it's a spoiler from Episode 11, and from the novels. Also I don't believe that Yuji has any hope of defeating Pheles the way he is now, and it wouldn't make a difference if he got Blutsauger from Shana, or not.

[KaneDragon]

Why is everyone in here talking about a character who hasn't even appeared in the anime yet, outside (probably) the OP? >_<

*flees thread*

[DeotoxSlayer]

Why is everyone in here talking about a character who hasn't even appeared in the anime yet, outside (probably) the OP? >_<

*flees thread*

because we're all wondering if Yuji could beat Pheles on his own in a fight.

[DX HBK]

He might be able to hold his own for awhile but the kid doesn't appear to have any combat experience or tactics to use. Perhaps his only option would be to use the silver flame Fuzetsu to lure Margery. Then Margery would try to kill him, which would then cause the Reiji Maigo to randomly disappear and reappear elsewhere. Of course, Pheles wouldn't be thrilled to let her prize slip away and would be forced to fight Margery in order to kill Yuji herself.

That kid must have a death sentence on his head since Season 1.

[HayashiTakara]

Yuji has the power to win... but, he lacks too much knowledge and training of his own capabilities to win. Yuji is potentially the most powerful being in the shana-verse if you really think bout it

[DX HBK]

I can only wonder why Pheles didn't yank the Reiji Maigo out of Yuji upon their first encounter and only circle strafed Yuji in the OP.

[HayashiTakara]

maybe cause um, johan don't have a body? and maybe she can make Johan become the new host of yuji's body? I dunno just a theory

[alvinkhorfire]

Oh, no way, don't go there. Doesn't he work abroad?
I read some post in this forum that the real person behind the bird maskot would appear in Episode 10. Since the only person newly appeared in this epiosde is Kantaro, I assume that he is the maskot. But, I could be wrong.

Another thing, at about 6.53 minutes of the episode, Ike seems to pause for a while and looks at Kazumi writing down some notes. Why did he pause for a while?


That kid must have a death sentence on his head since Season 1.

For me, I will rather say that by having Reiji Maigo, Yuji is blessed and cursed. Blessed: He can continue to live on unlike other torches. Cursed: He is being dragged into danger because of Reiji maigo.

[DeotoxSlayer]

maybe cause um, johan don't have a body? and maybe she can make Johan become the new host of yuji's body? I dunno just a theory

r u sure u didn't read the novel :eyebrow::eyebrow::eyebrow:

[minhtam1638]

r u sure u didn't read the novel :eyebrow::eyebrow::eyebrow:

Let us not spoil the innocent, my friend.