What martial arts do you take?

[kakashi222]

Yes, this is the revival of the old forum thread, "what martial arts do you take?". Even though i have had (and still do) years of martial arts experience in my life, i wasnt that active in discussing it in the old thread. But i reasoned with my self, and decided to share my wisdom with those who seek for it or need it.

So let me start:

- I take shotokan and taekwondo.
- I have been taking shotokan for 11 years, and taekwondo for 7 years.
- I am 2nd degree black belt in shotokan and 1st degree black belt in taekwondo.
- I am going to up my rank in both martial arts soon.

These are the martial arts I know and still take. I have also had experience in judo and other martial arts, but those are the main ones I take.

Lastly before anyone asks, I am 16 years old :p

[Gaara11]

Isn't this thread supposed to be posted in General Chat rather than Naruto? Well anyway, mine's Aikido.

[Stickels]

I've taken Akido, Taekwondo, wresteling, and a little boxing.

now I'm doing Krav Maga, I've never found anything better in three months I've learned signifcantly more than I ever did within years of taking anything else.

[kakashi222]

Ive had experience in aikido, its mostly about throwing an opponent or something like that. But what is this Krav Maga ? I have never heard of that :eyebrow:

[Stickels]

Its a hebrew word, it means contact fighting, its what they teach soldiers in isreal

[smee]

I am 14 years old and am a black belt in sung moo kwon tae kwon do, and was the fastest to adavance in the history of my tae kwon do dojang. BOO YAH!!

[kakashi222]

Its a hebrew word, it means contact fighting, its what they teach soldiers in isreal

Very interesting. I would love to see/spar with some one who uses that techinique at a high level. Like how far are you into it? And is thier a website i can go to find out more about it?

[smee]

just go to google and type krav maga, its fairly well known.

[Stickels]

I'm level 2, out of three levels, we do full contact sparring. pretty intense stuff.

the only difference in the next level is we work on knife and gun attacks, and we get open handed gloves so we can grapple while we spar.

there are websites for it... just type in Krav Maga on google or something, but you can pretty much disregard what you find about it because the isrealis don't mass advertise it, they only train people who they've interviewd and think are trustworthy. and an isreali is the only person you'd want to learn it from.

[OFFSPRiNGCo16]

I took American Tai Kempo for about 11 years...fun stuff, it also incorperated some ground fighting, wrestling and boxing which was also kinda fun :p

[smee]

yeah we have ground fighting in my Tae kwon do class, its really fun cuz if u get into a fight on the ground u have a distinct advantage.

[dark_breaka]

Currently i'm taking kung fu and taijutsu I use to take taekwondo but found that I

really didn't learn anything since I kept having to do the same moves every class

[Nagare Ryouma]

I do Muay Thai for now..... Have experience with Tae Kwon Do and relavant experience with Jiu Jitsu. Have some interest with Jeet Kune Do, but unfortunately, it's hard to find a dojo at my place... Not to mention how a lot of Chinese so-called sei fu's tend to rip you off and don't teach you everything.... If you can't find a good master, instructor or coach whatever you address them, that's it for your enthusiasm for the art. I think Muay Thai is pretty much pragmatic, so I'm cool with it.


really didn't learn anything since I kept having to do the same moves every class

It can be boring at times having to do the same things over and over again.... But hey man, the basics are the fundamental of nearly everything (especially Marital Arts).... So keep up the tenacity dude =)

[kakashi222]

It can be boring at times having to do the same things over and over again.... But hey man, the basics are the fundamental of nearly everything (especially Marital Arts)... So keep up the tenacity dude =)


That is so true, believe it or not but the higher level martial arts do the basics too but extremely well done. So keep practicing the basics becuase they will be stepping stones for your progress.

[Lee-pimp]

ive been taking tae kwon do for 9 or 10 years now (im 14) and ive had some expierience in judo and in my tae kwon do classes we learn ground fighting (a lot of fun especially if your small liike me cus size doesnt matter that much) and hopkido (sp) im going to level up probably to black in the early summer/late spring cus my dojo only has belt tests once every year an i missed the last one

[Lux]

I don't want to sound dissrespectful to other MA's, but if you're interested in fighting TKD is useless, as is your belt. You gain rank quicker than you do in Judo! Atleast in Judo the techqniques can actually be effective. Also I can pretty much assure you that your ground techniques from TKD wouldn't be too effective, if you don't believe me just go down to your local Brazilian Jiu Jitsu gym and roll with a white belt there. If you want to learn to dance or just for whatever reason, take whatever you want. But if you want to learn to fight I STRONGLY suggest considering taking one or some of the following: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, Kick Boxing, Vale Tudo, Muay Thai, Wrestling's good too. All I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.

One more note, to be a fighter takes dedication and sacrafices. It takes blood and sweat. More importantly it takes heart. If you don't spar immediately in whatever it is you take, leave. If it's not challening, leave. If you're afraid of excercise, competition, etc...then just don't take up anything.

[Stickels]

I'd be inclined to agree with you Lux.

[kakashi222]

I don't want to sound dissrespectful to other MA's, but if you're interested in fighting TKD is useless, as is your belt. You gain rank quicker than you do in Judo! Atleast in Judo the techqniques can actually be effective. Also I can pretty much assure you that your ground techniques from TKD wouldn't be too effective, if you don't believe me just go down to your local Brazilian Jiu Jitsu gym and roll with a white belt there. If you want to learn to dance or just for whatever reason, take whatever you want. But if you want to learn to fight I STRONGLY suggest considering taking one or some of the following: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, Kick Boxing, Vale Tudo, Muay Thai, Wrestling's good too. All I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.

One more note, to be a fighter takes dedication and sacrafices. It takes blood and sweat. More importantly it takes heart. If you don't spar immediately in whatever it is you take, leave. If it's not challening, leave. If you're afraid of excercise, competition, etc...then just don't take up anything.


LOL, believe it or not, that part is unfortunetly true.

[Mr. Bushido]

how many ppl have u seen that uses other MAs to the fullest Lux?
It annoys me when ppl basically say "My style is better than yours!"


Its not martial arts its the person. How many times does this world need to be told, it NEVER matters on the fighting style, its always how YOU fight.

Ive taken tae kwon do when i was young, i quit because of the incompetence of my teachers. (whether they just sucked, or not good teachers, i didnt like them)

Today i use BRAIN. i attack ppl's weakness, and turn my weakness in to strength. Every race has some sort of genetic physical weakness (believe it or not) and i use that to my advantge. The easiest ones to notice is size. If you fight someone smaller than you, u should apply ton of brute force. Size matters alot in fighting if ure only using strength. When you fight someone a lot bigger, use that to ur advantage by using speed and agility. Since bigger ppl have larger inertia, its harder for them to switch directions when moving. there are lots of things. small feet big person means less balance, tall ppl have weaker knees. etc. When ur fight goes too long, you can expose ur weaknesses tat are not genetic, but it also means u know wat their weakness are too. I wouldve been beaten down several times if i relied on my brute force or other fighting abilities.

anyways: what i really want to take is fencing (korean/japanese style) katanas are old and no one uses them to fight in the US, but its cool. (In korea and japan they still have big street gangs fighting w/ swords. Guns are not popular)
i also want to learn how to use strong useful kicks. I dont care wat style, how many styles i mix into it. Maybe i should learn Shaolin Soccer

[Tzurial]

I fight with mace!!

so watchout creepy emo-loving campus stalker!! You dont scare me anymore ;_;

[kakashi222]

A couple of things to reply to your post Zoro, first, size DOES indeed matter in a fight of opponents who lack in the martial art skill. But size does not matter if a person knows how to fight using martial arts. Of course every situation is different, but most of the time if a martial artist knows what he/she is doing then he/she should know that if facing a lager opponent or numurous opponents different messures should be taken to achieve victory.

The case with the larger opponent is simple to handle (well for me anyways since i have been in situations like that), becuase every person wether strong, big, tall, short, weak, or whatever has acouple of the same weaknesses. To make this explanation short, i would just basically win by going for the enemies throat, private, and ankle so he would be imobilized. As for fighting numurous opponents, the first thing to do is think of a way you can run away. Yes i know that sounds like what a wuss would do but its not smart to take on more than one opponent unless your a good martial artist. If the fight cannot be avoided, then using weapons would defenetly be a good chioce to win. Since the enemies have already have brute force stacked against you, thier is no shame in using weapons to win.

Well, that just my 2 cents :D

[Stickels]

its not smart to take on more than one opponent no matter how good you are...

as a general rule you should always assume that you have at least three enemies though, and not waste any time at all in taking your current target out.

[kakashi222]

its not smart to take on more than one opponent no matter how good you are...

as a general rule you should always assume that you have at least three enemies though, and not waste any time at all in taking your current target out.

LOL, that what i said in my last post :) . I said when facing numurous opponents you should always find a way to run away from the situation. But if thier is no way you can avoid the fight then using a weapon is the best chioce to make. Dont get me wrong, how you should handle a situation is depending on the situation it self. BTW, i have been in fights with more than one opponent and have won them. Did i come out with bruses and scratchs, sure, but winning a fight with more than one opponent is not impossible, but i wouldnt recommend it.

[Stickels]

its not smart to take on more than one opponent unless your a good martial artist.


just thought I'd point this out as what I was replying to when I said its not smart no matter how good you are...

[kakashi222]

just thought I'd point this out as what I was replying to when I said its not smart no matter how good you are...


Oh yah, i cant really explain the depth of that statement, but lets just say, trust me on that ;) .

BTW, your avatar is real good Stickels did you make it or someone made it for you?

[Stickels]

Uzumaki made it for me, I have no idea how to make these things.

[Mr. Bushido]

good martial artist or not it doesnt matter. It only matters on the person....
a doctor can beat up a black belt since he knows so much about the body. He can completely leave u broken if he knows wat he's doing.

i was talking about the weakness not everyone has. ie size, weight

if you watched a jackie chan movie (i know its hollywood, but they say facts too u know) he says "i wouldve lost if he was big as me." the other guy was a good figher not a martial artist.

true its not smart to fight too much ppl. Ive tried, and i only won all those time because my opponents were dumbasses. They made the same mistakes over and over. i took hits tho.

in a real fight, u fight dirty. Who cares!? U gonna go home beaten up and say "i lost honorably?" We're not samurais, we have no busido code, so do wat u must to kick their ass! Just like the previous posters have said.

here are some common genetic weakness and strength of certain races:
asians are smaller and have less brute strength then most ppl. and besides the krns asians dont get enough vitamin c in their food, so vision is not as good. However percision, accuracy and depth preception are incredibly high. light weight gives high agility and incredible flexibilities.

blacks (not just african americans) have weaker knee caps. something to do with their growth rate or something like that. believe it or not they are not born natrually stronger contrary to popular stereotype. they have tougher muscles i believe?

hispanics are the ones that are born with natural strength. I think they're weakness was slower reaction speed because of their genetic backround. hispanics are a mix of native americans and whites especially the spainards.

white: no clue really.


i forgot where i learned these information. But im pretty sure they are accutate unless my memory is failing me again...

[Stickels]

race is a bad way to judge what your going to do, because there are allways exceptions, instead you go after weaknesses everybody has. Like kneecaps, or the groin, floating ribs, yada yada

[Mr. Bushido]

im just saying u have to consider everything and think of everything

a good anime example is shikamaru. he plans AHEAD... he plans the entire battle from the moment he puts his foot on the ground. Does this mean everything will go according to plan? Not really something can happen tat can mess up the 90% chance. But thinking in advance helps a lot doesnt it?

There is no way u can expect to rely on their weakness! u have to cover urs and use ur strong points accodingly. u also need to use ur enviorment.

everyone knows the knees, privates, soloplex (spelling), nose, elbow, beck etc etc.

the problem with ppl is when they fight, they dont think. thats my strength i think, i dont panic and think throughly.

[kakashi222]

im just saying u have to consider everything and think of everything

a good anime example is shikamaru. he plans AHEAD... he plans the entire battle from the moment he puts his foot on the ground. Does this mean everything will go according to plan? Not really something can happen tat can mess up the 90% chance. But thinking in advance helps a lot doesnt it?

There is no way u can expect to rely on their weakness! u have to cover urs and use ur strong points accodingly. u also need to use ur enviorment.

everyone knows the knees, privates, soloplex (spelling), nose, elbow, beck etc etc.

the problem with ppl is when they fight, they dont think. thats my strength i think, i dont panic and think throughly.


You have very interesting concepts Zoro but you should know that if you go in to a fight judging the opponent weeknesses by his race, then prepare to get your ass beaten. Now i dont think you are completly wrong, infact i would agree with some of your thoughts, but the fact is everone is raised differently, so they are always things to be unexpected in the opponent while fightin him/her. Since i do not like to drag fights on, or show of my moves in fights, my phylosophy is to end fights as quick ass possible. Breaking the person ankle, nose, ect. is the best way to do it. But like i said it all depends on what martial arts you take and how you would go about and use it.

[baka manko]

im 17 and im taking nin-jutsu for about 2 months now this is the 1st martial arts i took.
I'm in a group and i dont have to pay to practice. Our sensei is Don Hule from New Jersey but our sempie is the who is teaching us because he came to live here in Omaha, Nebraska.
So if anybody who lives in Omaha wants to practice with us they more then likey can we practie in elmwood park

[Moon The Cat]

Tae Kwon Do, fear my white belt. :D :D

[Nagare Ryouma]

im just saying u have to consider everything and think of everything

the problem with ppl is when they fight, they dont think. thats my strength i think, i dont panic and think throughly.

It's true on what you said; but I can tell you it's easier to be said then to be done. When you fight, it's always hard to 100% think and consider about things due to a large amount of reasons. You can go into a fight or a tournament with your mental condition at top notch, since your informed before hand. But a sudden altercation will tend to mix up your feelings and your judegment that's for sure.

[Gaara_]

I think Jeet Kun Do and Aikido mixed with some chakra control and release mental training, would be the best style possible.

[Mr. Bushido]

someone teach me how to use quotes in this new forum thing


ok kakashi... i said above: thats not hte only thing u can depend on. i said u have to take that into consideration also. i never said base ur attacks on that.

Nagare: well thats y i say, its probably a good strength in me, i can think in that kinda situations rather ok. Better than most ppl from wat i know. True ppl panic automatically even if its an ovbiously weak opponent. i used to be like that when i was little and just went brutual berserk on ppl. That didnt go to well cuz i ended up hurting them BAD. Thats not wat im trying to do, if its a fight it just to show them "dont mess w/ me" not to kill them. self-defense.

A funny stradegy i found with long fight. dont attack and just dodge, and take the light hits. I tried this with my brother in body shot. He's a lot weaker, so its easier but still. I let him hit me while i gaurded ribs and other sensitive spots and dodged his stronger attempts. When he tired out, i hit 3 times and he had to back off and hold up his "time out" sign. He was not only hurt from my attacks he was too tired from his attempts to attack back. Its an ovbious stradegy, but ppl dont tend to think this way in an actual fight, but they like to go ALL out.

Moon the Cat: i fear ya' hahaha when i was in white belt i kicked 5 red belts who were older than me. They thought they were tough cuz i was like 4 and they were 12, not only that they were red belts. Using almost no tkd i just lashed out them and hurt them bad. I used a rather cheap technique tho. I swiped at their ears with the bottom of my fist, causing a "burning" rather than a force. yea they gave up. stupid idiots were using high kicks on a 2 ft kid. Smart arent they?

[Nagare Ryouma]

someone teach me how to use quotes in this new forum thing
Just click on the reply button at the bottom right of the particular post you wish to quote.

Nagare: well thats y i say, its probably a good strength in me, i can think in that kinda situations rather ok. Better than most ppl from wat i know. True ppl panic automatically even if its an ovbiously weak opponent. i used to be like that when i was little and just went brutual berserk on ppl. That didnt go to well cuz i ended up hurting them BAD. Thats not wat im trying to do, if its a fight it just to show them "dont mess w/ me" not to kill them. self-defense.

The reason why you had a 360 degrees change of your prespective isn't simply because of a change of aspect, but it's because you founded a goal, and martial arts was what gave you that goal. Usally martial artist are far more better then people who have no experience with MA whatsoever. Coz we get to learn that kind of stuff and how to handle it; or better yet to say, discipline. Unfortunately, the amount of philisophy being taught is really scarce, since most MA would encourage you to go and discipline yourself and find the ways on your own....that's how you learn. When I said unfortunately, it's because that idea is great, but there is also an high possibility of vice-versa, arrogance. I use to get into fights a lot, and I tend to go berserk easily (putting my frustrating onto the beating)and ruthlessly beat my opponent until someone has to stop me(long time ago). But I'm fortunate enough to run to a very good instructor who taught me both the art and philisophy which completely changed my ways of thinking, living etc. MA are very miraculous, they can do all sorts of wonder to people....... Most improtant of all it sets you a goal so that you can challenge yourself to reach that goal. I've notice how there are many idiots nowadays who like to go around provoking other people and causing trouble etc. It's basicaly coz there are just a bunch of morons with no goals. It would help them a lot if they had a goal to challenge themselves.....

A funny stradegy i found with long fight. dont attack and just dodge, and take the light hits. I tried this with my brother in body shot. He's a lot weaker, so its easier but still. I let him hit me while i gaurded ribs and other sensitive spots and dodged his stronger attempts. When he tired out, i hit 3 times and he had to back off and hold up his "time out" sign. He was not only hurt from my attacks he was too tired from his attempts to attack back. Its an ovbious stradegy, but ppl dont tend to think this way in an actual fight, but they like to go ALL out.


Zoro's a bully~!

[kakashi222]

It's true on what you said; but I can tell you it's easier to be said then to be done. When you fight, it's always hard to 100% think and consider about things due to a large amount of reasons. You can go into a fight or a tournament with your mental condition at top notch, since your informed before hand. But a sudden altercation will tend to mix up your feelings and your judegment that's for sure.


That sudden altercation is known as adrenaline. Adrenaline is what makes a difference in a fight. With it you can enhance every one of your sences and make your body up to 15x stronger than normal. Even though staying calm in a fight will let you see and do things you cant normally do when not staying calm, i doubt alot of ppl can keep that mind set for so long. Thats why i myself rely on adrenaline, infact i faced an opponent who was pretty much simmilar in talent, but i since i know how to channel my adrenaline when i need it, i defeated him easly.

[Dragon Flame]

kik kakashi222... 15x stronger huh? adrenaline wont make u 15x stronger... it wont even make u 3 times stronger... maybe 15% stronger... if i were 15x stronger than i am now... i could deadlift 2700lbs, and that aint happening

[archzai]

ok

im a red belt TKD
and
i wanna learn Wing Chun, and Kick boxing...

and i know there isn't any "better" martial arts... the only reason why some seem better... is simply because they are less known and thus those that take it tend to excel...

the only reason why TKD, Judo, and Karate are sometimes looked down upon is becuase so many people take it and so many suck at it... that they taint the reputation of the martial art... but if you go to the actual country... you'll realize the intensity is a lot higher as compared to North American teaching...

my friends are Korean and they were required to learn TKD in school... and lemme tell you... they kickass...

[Dragon Flame]

yea.. we had a foreign exchange student from South Korea in my school two years ago.. he was a tuff little bastard, didnt look strong.. but i watched him hit a kid.. and i deff didnt wanna get hit like that.. ever.. lol

[kakashi222]

kik kakashi222... 15x stronger huh? adrenaline wont make u 15x stronger... it wont even make u 3 times stronger... maybe 15% stronger... if i were 15x stronger than i am now... i could deadlift 2700lbs, and that aint happening

Ok maby i was overexsaggerating ;) , but I wanted to point out that adrenaline can elavate your body during a fight to help you win.

[Mr. Bushido]

yea.. we had a foreign exchange student from South Korea in my school two years ago.. he was a tuff little bastard, didnt look strong.. but i watched him hit a kid.. and i deff didnt wanna get hit like that.. ever.. lol

i may have been tat kid. ^^
really, when i first came from korea i used to just beat up white kids cuz they made fun of me and i didnt understand wat they were saying. 3 months later i understood and beat their asses more.
TKD isnt required at elementary level, but running miles is. Krns are tough on their kids, especially cuz many of the teachers and parents in that time were survivors and fighters of the krn war. my dad went to an air force highs school. i mean wtf is that?

krn school fights are insane too. Yea they have so much school spirit they fight it out. never been in one tho, dont want to. chairs fly

adrenaline can go up to 15x ur strenght but its RARE
have u heard of the story of a grandma who got her grandson stuck under a car, so she lift it? how about the couple who pried opened a croc's jaw to save their kid? certain times it can go up incredibly high. It realeses the body's limits. Psychologist say things we cant do is highly cuz our mind tells us we cant.

[Mr. Bushido]

damn it i double posted!! srry i clicked it twice on accident. someone delete this one

[Dragon Flame]

the grandmother didnt lift the WHOLE car.. thats deffinately impossible... maybe a part of the back like 2-3 inches, but thats about it... i can see two people opening a crocs mouth tho

[ZhouYu]

im learning White Crane Style Kung Fu... kinda lazy though... i havent been to class for the longest

[Mr. Bushido]

not the whole car, but she lifted it like HIGH.

croc's jaw is powerful. its 2nd in strength only to T-rex.

by pure force it can bite thru a sheet steel. Its the most powerful bite existing on earth. Equivalent to the elephants weight something like that. (dont ask me how the kid lived, i dont even know if he survived.)

[Dragon Flame]

Croc's teeth arent made to cut living flesh and shred it like alot of people think, thats why crocs when they kill an animal, usually by drowning it, they leave the body in the water till it gets really saturated and soft, then the fleshis easy to tear off, i bet the kid had a few crushed bones. and some cuts, but not bad bad cuts, like ud see from a shark, or a dog

[Stickels]

Adrenaline is a great tool, and doesn't necisarily make you go berserk. With proper training you can hit the adrenaline high and still think calmly through it. Thats only after you've been on the adrenaline high lots of times though.

Full contact sparring is probably the best way to learn how to do it, not point sparring which is the only thing I've ever seen done in things like taekwondo.

oh, and zero, the best strategy I've found for a long fight. Is not to let fights get long.

[SirJeannot]

black belt 1st dan in karate shorin ryu
i am 20 and i got it one year ago (had to stop 2 years because of problems with my knees)
i got i quite late (began at 6) 'cause we changed the "source" school because of the death of the master ... and i also had to relearn everything in a years to get that degree ^^

it takes me about 5 hours a week ... but i'll move on to do some "muscule training" to improve my hitting power and my weight too (60Kg, goal > 70Kg) . only for the arms, i've got far enough power in my legs :D

about training ... it's pain, blood and sweat ... really. but when u like it, it doesn't matter at all. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/eyespin.gif


oh yeah ... as i began martial arts, i wasn't even aware that anime existed :o

[Nagare Ryouma]

Ok mabay i was overexsaggerating ;) , but I wanted to point out that adrenaline can elavate your body during a fight to help you win.
Man... for the moment there you scared the hell outta me Kakashi!? 15x stronger from the adrenaline, man isn't that like Super Sai Yan 1 level? Does your hair turn yellow like Goku? :joke: But I get the point; however relying soley on the adrenaline ain't the answer nor is it pragmatic either.

oh, and zero, the best strategy I've found for a long fight. Is not to let fights get long.

Right, that's true. Like Bruce Lee once said, a fight has to be ended quick and fast. That's part of the Jeet Kune Do concept if I'm correct. A lot of people tend to get carried away thinking that fights usally last a long time (thx to the influence from animes like DragonBall Z :D ) But in reality a fight last's in mins..... The more you pro-long the fight, the more disadvantage your placing yourself at no matter how good you are. But~! If your sparring with a good opponent and you guys wanna exchange words through sparring, then I guess having a so-called long fight could be worth the while....

[Stickels]

mins is a long fight... a fight shouldn't take any longer than 3 seconds, any longer than that and the guys 2 buddies have stepped in and kicked your ass.

sparring of course is an exception, you usually have gear on and can't do any serious damage, so of course its gonna be long.

[Lux]

Zoro: I agree that the fighter is the most important thing, but style is a huge factor. Also I'm not here to say my style is better than yours. I'm simply saying that certain styles are useless. If you've ever watched the early UFC fights it was pretty much style vs. style. We got to see wing chun and ninjitsu practitioners get beat down by kick boxers and submission wrestlers. You'd see little Royce Gracie beating people much larger than himself with BJJ. Just check out some of the early UFC fights, I'm not making this up.

If any of you live in Maryland come down to my school, www.bjjonline.com if you want to test your style out or simply if you want to take something that's proven to work.

[Stickels]

UFC is a competition with rules though.

[Lux]

UFC is a competition with rules though.

Yes, it is now. I'm talking the early days of the UFC, there weren't any rules really.

[kakashi222]

fight shouldn't take any longer than 3 seconds, any longer than that and the guys 2 buddies have stepped in and kicked your ass.


LOL, how true that is, how true that is....

[Nagare Ryouma]

Yes, it is now. I'm talking the early days of the UFC, there weren't any rules really.
UFC had rules right from the start. It's true how UFC is the closest towards real life combat but, in a real fight anything goes; and that includes attacking your groin, poking your eyes, pulling your hair, breaking your bones, etc etc. UFC didn't allow fighters to do that kind of stuff from day 1, so shouldn't that be address as an rule as well? Plus I don't think bare-knuckle fighting is legal in the US..... So how can UFC still consider to be an No Holds Barred event? Royce Gracie was able to eliminate the earlier fighters easily due to the fact that he was, and the only fighter who knew how to grapple and knew what to do on the ground at that time. Whereas everybody else were like rookies and didn't know jack of handling that kind of attack or style at first. Didn't you realize how in the later UFC competitions, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighters were elminated by other marital art stylist? Therefore, superiority in style has yet to be proven. But nonetheless, the effectiveness and the significance of grappling style is there.

mins is a long fight... a fight shouldn't take any longer than 3 seconds, any longer than that and the guys 2 buddies have stepped in and kicked your ass.

LOL Yeah, excuse me for saying mins; secs seems to be more realistic =)

[Lux]

Actually in the early days of UFC I saw a few fighters strike the groin, pull hair, etc... As for the breaking bones part, that's the point of tapping out. If the person doesn't tap out something WILL break, that still holds true today for the most part. Also there were other grapplers such as wrestlers and submission wrestlers competing in the UFC. Also the fact that no one else knew what to do on the ground was pretty much my point, those styles had a big weakness. It's funny how you say BJJ fighters were eliminated by other styles, this isn't true at all. The modern MMA fighter MUST have some of everything now. There is not one fighter who doesn't practice some BJJ, either for the submissions and control or simply to defend against it. In fact just last night on Pride Fighter Championship Cro Cop, one of the best strikers fought with Noguiera, one of the best grapplers and when they were up Cro Cop was giving Noguiera trouble but when they got on the ground guess who tapped who out and won the fight. Nog by the way practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Another thing, I'll be the first to admit that you can't completely rely on grappling, you must have some standup as well to be a complete fighter.

[smee]

Lux, its not the martial art its the martial artist, this is extremely true, and my tae kwon do's ground fighting tactics are not bad at all, they work very well, i actually used some of it in a real fight, again, the martial artist not martial art.

[whatever123]

although i support traditional martial arts but when i heard that mirko was fighting noguira i instantly though that noguira would win not because he did BJJ but because he had much more experience than mirko i respect both fighters equally but noguira had some 30 MMA fights while mirko only had 8 and some of them where with special rules and one of them was with that masked guy!!!!!

[Stickels]

UFC is not a good judge of fighters, its compitition, and the outcome of a competition fight is most likely very different from the outcome of a real fight.

[Lux]

Lux, its not the martial art its the martial artist, this is extremely true, and my tae kwon do's ground fighting tactics are not bad at all, they work very well, i actually used some of it in a real fight, again, the martial artist not martial art.

I said earlier that the most important part is the athlete, but the style is a huge factor. Seriously, go down to a local BJJ school and test your ground game out with them. I'm not trying to say I'm better than you or anything like that, but it should be any fighter's goal to be as strong a fighter as possible. This includes having a strong standup game as well as a strong ground game. It's one thing to be able to beat up your average kid at school who knows nothing about fighting, hell that could be done with no training at all. It's another thing to go against someone who also knows something, who's put in all that time training and practicing and then coming out on top.

[Stickels]

I try my best not to end up in a ground game, and when I do I play dirtier then hell.

if your on the ground your thumbwresteling with your opponent, you don't want to be there.

[smee]

UFC is not a good judge of fighters, its compitition, and the outcome of a competition fight is most likely very different from the outcome of a real fight.

exactly, its just like boxers, they may hit hard and all but in reality they fight to please judges, in a real fight u dont want points u want the other guys head.

an lux, ok u r right in some respects, but the school u take martial arts at has a HUGE impact, i feel the school i take tae kwon do at is very good, i know some schools that dont even have fitness involved, we have a fitness test every belt test, i'm talking like 75 clapping push ups without stopping, then right after 100 regular push ups, if u fail either then u fail the whole test, and there r other aspects of fitness to the test, and then of course u have all of the tae kwon do related things involved, now u cant tell me that every school does that.

an also, kakashi, do u know what style of Tae Kwon do u take? mine is sung moo kwon Tae kwon do.

[Lux]

UFC is not a good judge of fighters, its compitition, and the outcome of a competition fight is most likely very different from the outcome of a real fight.

Yeah, a KO is real different in the UFC than out. Or perhaps you mean the fact that fights can be won by someone tapping out, let's think about what would happen in this situation on the street. I got you in a choke, you're going to lala land. Perhaps I got you in an arm bar, well there goes use of your arm, goodluck beating me up with one arm.

I'm not saying the UFC of today is the perfect demonstration of a NHB fight, but since it's the best known I used that as an example.

[smee]

yeah, very true lux, if i have someone in a rear choke or any choke for that matter in real life i'm not letting go until they r limp, and an armbar, ouch, breaking the elbow the wrong way, that usually gets the person to stop fighting. lol.

[Stickels]

no, I'm saying in real life, while your rolling on the ground putting the guy in an arm bar, his friend kicked you in the face and then shot you, in real life, you don't TRY and take fights to the ground.

[Lux]

an lux, ok u r right in some respects, but the school u take martial arts at has a HUGE impact

Definetly, there are some bad BJJ schools just like anything else but the reason I'm so anti TKD is because about 99% of the TKD schools in the USA are crap and don't teach effective fighting techniques.

[Lux]

no, I'm saying in real life, while your rolling on the ground putting the guy in an arm bar, his friend kicked you in the face and then shot you, in real life, you don't TRY and take fights to the ground.

Heh, well of course if there's a friend involved then even standing up isn't going to help you much 2v1. It's still a very viable option though because the that's not always the situation in a street fight. If you're in a situation where friends are going to jump in then regardless of if you take it to the ground or not you're probably going to get your ass beat. But, if I was on the ground in a street fight I really wouldn't be too worried about a submission like that unless I felt I could easily get it, I would simply control them, such as say getting in side control and start kneeing/elbowing away at his head.

[Stickels]

yeah... standing up will help you significantly 2 vs 1 you've just got to make you you hit hard, fast, and in the right places.

[Lux]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126346

[Stickels]

okay, so you link to a thread full of a bunch of jackasses flaming someone for asking a question and sourcing UFC as there only backup...

[Mr. Bushido]

uh.... competition no matter how realistic has nothing to do with actual fights.
its always the fighter style has nothing i mean NOTHING to do with it

unless the style does not fit u, for example im not gonna be a sumo with 140 lbs. Other than tat style has nothing, its always the way u fight.

UFC is the only back up all bjj, grapplers, and submission artist have. is that the only competition thing u see? There are many fighters who doesnt compete, cuz fighting is for self-defense, not for the fun of beating up ppl. Not everything is for competition. Im sure there are great athletes who only play with friends not join professionals.

UFC has rules so thats not a good place to get support for ur argument. If i kicked a guy in the balls, than poked his eyes, bite his neck, uppercut his nose, hed be dead. and id be disqualified. Dont they also wear gaurds? at least gloves for sure, i know u can fight bare fist in the US, especially if u are a professional fighter of any kind. You get the same punishment as someone attacking with knives and even certain guns.

some styles are useless??? all styles are just as good as another. Most of these styles developed for war purposes. bjj was created for competition while Tekkyun the predecessor of TKD (still exists tho), was taught to defend Korea from invaders. Now that may be like big deal.... but if you survive: Japan, China, Mongols, Huns, Russians, AND civil war... the style must be good. I dont care if Korea was the frst to develope gunpowder artillery and ironclads, the martial arts proved effective. TKD isnt much different from Tekkyun except TKD doesnt teach weapons. NO shut up, i dont care wat u say it doesnt teach weapons. TKD makers decided the art was dangerous enough.

you think its useless cuz

1. u havent seen great fighters use it effectively
2. so many ppl know it, the value of it has dropped. Its harder to find good ones.
3. have u been to Asia? particularly korea? TKD is insane there.

Im not in anyway disrespecting you, but there are more to fighting in the world than bjj.



hey im Zoro not Zero!

[Manga Maniac]

Well if you would ever end up in a street fight where youre out numbered jus run like hell. And if you can´t run. Fight like crazy. I´ve only had a street fight twice in my entrie life (i´m 19). Basicaly if you know you can´t win. go for one of the strongest oponents in the group and make them regret the day they layed their eyes upon you. In my one 2 street fights i propably jus got lucky....i went completly berserk and threw 2 people around like rag dolls. LITERALY... ... i don´t like fighting...but if someone keeps asking for it big time or leave me with no choise then. HELL! i fight until i either get killed or Knocked out.

oh and about the OTHER street fight.....there where 3 guys with knifes...so i did the obvios...RAN MY ASS OFF! i was lucky that a guy was walking his "little dog" (A doberman)...when i ran past him and his dog it sort of snapped. It tried to jump on the other guys following me so You can say i was really lucky there :D

Oh a tip....if you ever would have to fight a guy with a knife....unless u have a knife or an even longer weapon ur as good as dead. I take self defense seriously. i don´t train hard...i jus do what i can. And if someone tells you he will show you how you disarm a guy with a knife. Unless that move involves you aiming a gun at the oponent telling him to drop it...or you have like a sword. Don´t belive him. Cause Knife fighters usually know what theyre doing and you can´t disarm them without getting slashed up properly.

Ps: if u wanna know what i train. I´ll tell the truth. What ever that can be usefull. No fansy flashing kicks or a clean fighting style. I just train moves that gets the job done. And that means "I´m standing and my oponent isn´t"

[smee]

yeah, its EXTREMELY hard to disarm a guy with a knife without getting hit at least once by it. I mean how many people r gonna charge a guy who's holding a knife out?

[Stickels]

when you fight a guy with a knife you just have to resign yourself to the fact that your probably going to get cut.

there ARE effective ways to fight people with knives, and saying that most people who will attack you with knives are profecient knife fighters is bullshit, most people who attack you period are not good fighters, just used to catching people who don't know what they are doing by surprise.

[Mr. Bushido]

if someone pulls out a knife, use ur.... jump rope?? hahaha thats effective as hell. i got whipped by a litle 5 yr old kid who was just fooling around and it burned. I got a centimeter deep cut from it.

disarming a knife has to be done only when he attacks u first. When he/she strikes at you, u have to use their momentum against them and break their arm or something. If ure a professional officer or military there are better ways, but just dodge grab break. or kick him in the groin HARD. let see how long he can hold anything beside his own balls.

[Manga Maniac]

I´m just stating facts. If a person has a knife they most certainly know how to use it. Sheeesh... just imagine a match between a martial artist and an experienced knife fighter. "Note knife fighters are so called quick fighters because they tend to do hasty and fast attacks".
Match begins... Knife guy attacks.. martial artist blocks the punch and then gets stabbed deep into the arm...Harming Veins Severely. He pushes knife guy back. Knife guy tries a stab attack again. Martial artist dodges it and hits knife guy on critical spot. Knife guy gets up and goes nuts slashing faster than before. Martial artist gets stabed on a critical spot by the knife getting a puncture on the lung. But...he knocks out the knife guy winning the match...but still have the great possibility of losing his life...get my drift?

[Stickels]

what would ever give you the impression that if someone draws a knife they most certaintly know how to use it?

if someone draws a knife they are PROBABLY an idiot who is counting on the fact that the knife will intimidate you into submission. 90% of the people who would attack you with a knife put their whole focus into the weapon, and don't even think about the rest of their body.

[Mr. Bushido]

uh im agreeing with stickles. U might get cut, but they tend to be awful fighters most of the time.

basically if theyre getting their ass beat they'll take out the knife. My words would be "If you cant hit me with ur fist, how can u hit me with a knife?"

type of ppl id be afraid of with a knife:

gumdo/kendo ppl
ppl who can kick my ass w/o the knife
military speacialists (Delta forces, Rangers, etc)
cooks Believe it or not, they can use knives.

ppl tat id laugh at:
ppl i can kick their ass easily.
TKD ppl. (unless they can hld knives with their feet.)
european fencers. (the style not the ppl)
a plumber.

[Manga Maniac]

what would ever give you the impression that if someone draws a knife they most certaintly know how to use it?

if someone draws a knife they are PROBABLY an idiot who is counting on the fact that the knife will intimidate you into submission. 90% of the people who would attack you with a knife put their whole focus into the weapon, and don't even think about the rest of their body.

Oh...i´m sorry... did i forget to mention that my part time job is at the hospital categorising the files of patients that are brought in every day?. While typing in on what department they have to be sended to or what treatment the doctor recommended, it most certanly seems that many knife fighters know what theyre doing. Yes you are right that there may be some that are just playn..ehhh...:thinker:n00bs?. But before comenting on this.. think for yourself. Would you want to stay around to find out if that guy knows how to handle the knife?:rolleyes:

Edit: And if you do...You have then propably just a death wish. As stated by even Military forces. Don´t take unessesary risks, they could cost you dearly.

[Stickels]

I'm not argueing that I wouldn't run if given the chance, cause I would, wether or not they had a knife, I try not to fight.

any dumbass can injure someone a knife, just because you find lots of cases of someone hurt by a knife doesn't mean there are lots of people who are good at using them.

[Manga Maniac]

True...but in any case...fight= bad. And if i could´ve changed a worldly rule... all battles should be solved by playing shogi...best out of 3 of course :D

[Stickels]

the heck is shogi?

and yes, fight = bad

[Manga Maniac]

Shogi is japanese Chess!or just plain chess. it´s been so long since i´ve played it.. im dying for a game of chess. Gonna go and play some right now! :D Why fight when you can solve it with brains instead of brons?

[Mr. Bushido]

Oh...i´m sorry... did i forget to mention that my part time job is at the hospital categorising the files of patients that are brought in every day?. While typing in on what department they have to be sended to or what treatment the doctor recommended, it most certanly seems that many knife fighters know what theyre doing. Yes you are right that there may be some that are just playn..ehhh...:thinker:n00bs?. But before comenting on this.. think for yourself. Would you want to stay around to find out if that guy knows how to handle the knife?:rolleyes:

Edit: And if you do...You have then propably just a death wish. As stated by even Military forces. Don´t take unessesary risks, they could cost you dearly.


SUUUUURE the military says this. But do they practice wat they preach? The marines are the last to know about war, and they're the first to be sent in. Have u seen movies or documentaries where they train Marines? No matter how nice u are, u come out insane. "Kill KIll Kill!!!" Hesitation in war will get u killed, so marines are taught to be able to "eat their own guts and ask for seconds" (not literary, but thats how tough they are expected to be)

other military such as navy and air force are not trained this way. Even Navy Seals, Green Beret, Delta Force and the Rangers. They're all risk takers to the max, but marines are one crazy ppl. Special forces vs a marine... SF are better trained, but Marines go thru mental training that makes them "berserk" yet "calm"

They tell u to not take risks, but they dont do tat themselves especially Marines, which is basically our men today.


PEOPLE that go to hospitals were victims of better knife fighters. I mean im only a high school student and u work at a hospital, but i think if everyone tat fought a knife ended up in the hospital u can have up to a 1000 patients a day

[smee]

guys, most people with a knife DONT know how to use it. period.

[Mr. Bushido]

wat smee said
now id run like HELL if i saw someone with a katana.

which is more important?

speed
strength
skill
stradegy
knowledge
...other

[Nagare Ryouma]

Actually in the early days of UFC I saw a few fighters strike the groin, pull hair, etc... As for the breaking bones part, that's the point of tapping out. If the person doesn't tap out something WILL break, that still holds true today for the most part. Also there were other grapplers such as wrestlers and submission wrestlers competing in the UFC. Also the fact that no one else knew what to do on the ground was pretty much my point, those styles had a big weakness. It's funny how you say BJJ fighters were eliminated by other styles, this isn't true at all. The modern MMA fighter MUST have some of everything now. There is not one fighter who doesn't practice some BJJ, either for the submissions and control or simply to defend against it. In fact just last night on Pride Fighter Championship Cro Cop, one of the best strikers fought with Noguiera, one of the best grapplers and when they were up Cro Cop was giving Noguiera trouble but when they got on the ground guess who tapped who out and won the fight. Nog by the way practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Another thing, I'll be the first to admit that you can't completely rely on grappling, you must have some standup as well to be a complete fighter.

UFC had groin strikes and breaking bones!? I thought stuffs like that are illegal in the US?? However, you gotta realize that in reality there is no such a thing as tapping out. There won't be any choices of tapping out; if the person want's to break your bone, they'll do it with no consent. I did mentioned before that the UFC or No Holds Barred (NHB) events are the closest we can get for an real fight combat, but it's just not pragmatic. Coz the bottom line is that in a real fight, anything goes. No matter how much you wanna deny it, there were rules in the UFC from day one. Besides, I'm not to found of it since it's not helping maritial arts name in general. Think about what parents will think about martial arts from the eyes of these so-called sporting events. The only thing they will see is the violent portrayal of the arts played in a cage. This is basically the same criticism MA has been getting from movies. The UFC has been giving the media the sweet stuff yes, but what about the hard look that a sport needs for an adjustment if it's gonna survive? If the UFC had no rules, we'll be seeing casualites happening nearly every round; that's reality. That's not even possible to do that in a sport. I maybe wrong but, real MA do not go together with sport and that's that.

And you mentioned about how there were wrestlers and grapplers in the earlier days... yes they were, but none of them were familiar with the BJJ style which was like a new style being introduced back then. No wonder Royce could elminate all the other stylist with ease. And thus, that was why BJJ and the Gracie family's name exploded outta no where across NA region. Plus believe it or not, BJJ fighters were elminated by other MA stylist later on; whether you wanna believe it or not is up to you. Since BJJ has been analyzed and evaluated through put the years, losing at times is inevitable. Every MA has there own weakness, none of them can assure you which one is superior from another. It all depends on the person. BJJ's flaw is actually what they proud of, the ground. You don't think that a ground work is gonna get you out of an physical altercation do ya? Especially when there are 3 or more ppl, and your still gonna go on the ground? That's why, like you said a lot of other MA stylist is learning BJJ or JJ styles coz likewise, they wanna know how to deal with situations that consists being on the ground. Same goes for BJJ fighters, they're learning how to punch and kicks and everything else as well.

[archzai]

I agree about TKD kicking ass...

but as i said earlier... most famous martial arts... karate... tkd... judo etc... simply look shit cuz so many n00b learn it now that the quality of the martial art has drastically been watered-down...
you go to the heart of the country and you'll realize a substantial difference...

one thing... SHAOLIN KUNGFU definately own all ;) hahahaha

those guys are fucking insane... and because their martial art is not as spread out... that means it is still focused and the skills are still concentrated... if some of you have never seen SHAOLIN... honestly go look it up and go watch some videos... : /

knife fight... run... dont even risk it... :)

irony: Martial arts are for self-defense... then if there is a competition... technically there shouldnt be a fight at all ;) haha...

[smee]

wat smee said
now id run like HELL if i saw someone with a katana.

which is more important?

speed
strength
skill
stradegy
knowledge
...other

in real life definatly speed, if they cant hit u they cant beat u.

[Mr. Bushido]

again i agree with smee. im beginning to like this kid.

i agree with Nagare too. I hate UFC and have always hated and always will

i still the think the best style is

SHAOLIN SOCCER. Yea they own u all!! hahahaha

[Lux]

bjj was created for competition while Tekkyun the predecessor of TKD (still exists tho), was taught to defend Korea from invaders.

Just wanted to point out that BJJ was created for self defense. It included strikes and everything, you're thinking about sport BJJ.

Look, I really don't have anything new to say. Arguing over the internet is useless, I already said any of you are welcome to come to my school to compare. I'm not saying this to be a bad ass or anything, simply that's the best way to settle something like this but I know no one will take me up on it.

Alot of you seem to be overlooking my posts too, I train BJJ and Vale Tudo, I know you can't simply have a ground game and that there's more to fighting than BJJ. I just feel that it's a very important part to being a complete fighter. Once again, go down to your local BJJ gym and just check it out.

[Hunter]

guys, most people with a knife DONT know how to use it. period.

You don't need to know how to use a knife to kill at least to wound seriously anyone.
Give a big red pen to your 12 years old little sister and try to make her release it without being touch once.
You will be surprised.

If you practise in a dojo with an instructor who says that you will be able to beat someone with a knife or to beat 2 or 3 opponent in same time, leave this dojo, it's a dangerous liar.

[7hour.4mdy!]

i pratice bjj , i think bjj is the best martial arts ever , no more commets .

[Nagare Ryouma]

A lot of you seem to be overlooking my posts too, I train BJJ and Vale Tudo, I know you can't simply have a ground game and that there's more to fighting than BJJ. I just feel that it's a very important part to being a complete fighter. Once again, go down to your local BJJ gym and just check it out.

Exactly; well said.... You finally said the point. (All those post of mine didn't sacrificed their lives for nothing :eyespin: ) I'm definately up for a good fight with you, it would be an good experience I'm sure of it. However, I don't think were living in the same country....

[smee]

again i agree with smee. im beginning to like this kid.

i agree with Nagare too. I hate UFC and have always hated and always will

i still the think the best style is

SHAOLIN SOCCER. Yea they own u all!! hahahaha

who wouldnt like me? and also i never said that the person has to know how to use the knife to hurt u, i just said that most people dont know how to properly use one.

[Stickels]

wat smee said
now id run like HELL if i saw someone with a katana.

which is more important?

speed
strength
skill
stradegy
knowledge
...other


well.. If I had to name one thing that was important above everything else it would be experience.

unless your crazy fast like people in animes, speed isn't as important as you might think.

I'm by far the fastest person in our group of people training Krav Maga, but I've never had a particular advantage over anybody else. you just have to know how to use your body type and abilities to your advantage, being big and having alot of weight to throw around can be as much of an advantage as speed.

[LIQUIDCELL]

Taekwondo. But would love to learn sword --is it called *edit* kendo. yeah.
Kenshin's swordmanship type of thing, not fencing.

[smee]

there are many different types of swordsmanship, they're not all called budo. theres iai-jutsu, iaido, and many others including kendo.

[Mr. Bushido]

ken-jutsu, gumdo, kendo. ninjitsu too.
european fencing (ech... dont take it if you actually want to fight)

gumdo and kendo is more of a sport then fighting, but at advance levels u learn to break blocks of cement with a wooden stick.

[Dragon Flame]

fencing is actually a very good way to learn swordsmanship - teaches u to stay focused and to conserve energy, id rather be a master at fencing than a master at kendo

[DontEatGrandma]

I'd love to learn capoeira...thats an amazing martial arts if there is one...and so so fun and flashy too! :)

I have done wrestling in highschool though, and even though it wouldnt seem so, it is an amazing self defense system once ive taken you down. I sparred with my friend who is a lvl 2 black belt in hopkido and kicked his ass once i got him down...although when he was up i got kicked a few times :(.

One more thing, you are all dissing Fencing! why? its a great sport, and good fencers are amazing. If they are using a live steel sword that is actually sharp and not like a tournament blade, they will fuck you up.

they are amazingly fast, seeing as how everything is in the tips of their fingers and wrists, which is much faster than the entire body or even the shoulder or arm. When a sabre or epee master is coming at you with a 3 foot long sharp piece of metal that is whipping around REALLY fucking fast, i dont believe that you would have the same opinion on the crappiness of european fencing.

[7hour.4mdy!]

man this to me is a lotta crap, u gonna keep sword with u when u walking on the streets? no , so u ass gonna be kick by any weak ass .

[DontEatGrandma]

im saying that if you were in a fight with someone, knew how to fence well, AND had a sword you dumb shit, youll hold your own most likely

[Stickels]

I took fencing for awhile, if anything the footwork is incredibly helpful, its amazing the similarities between the footwork taught in fencing and what they want done in MA.

[7hour.4mdy!]

lol ur martial art is for pussy , people dont got balls to do real fight be a man .

[diabolistic]

lol ur martial art is for pussy , people dont got balls to do real fight be a man .

You can be quiet now. k thx.

POINT OF FACT
no matter what size you are, if you have a weapon in hand, it evens the playing field. if you have some sort of experience with that weapon, you're more than likely to kick ass.

I'm sure Stickels-san can beat me senseless if i was empty handed.

[Mr. Bushido]

fencing is actually a very good way to learn swordsmanship - teaches u to stay focused and to conserve energy, id rather be a master at fencing than a master at kendo


everything teaches u to focus and conserve energy. examples: kendo/gumdo teaches u to break hard objects using a wooden stick, this came from katana techniques to break armour. This technique is advanced, but its not impossible for small kids. In other words: its not so much on strength.



I'd love to learn capoeira...thats an amazing martial arts if there is one...and so so fun and flashy too! :)



I have done wrestling in highschool though, and even though it wouldnt seem so, it is an amazing self defense system once ive taken you down. I sparred with my friend who is a lvl 2 black belt in hopkido and kicked his ass once i got him down...although when he was up i got kicked a few times :(.

One more thing, you are all dissing Fencing! why? its a great sport, and good fencers are amazing. If they are using a live steel sword that is actually sharp and not like a tournament blade, they will fuck you up.

they are amazingly fast, seeing as how everything is in the tips of their fingers and wrists, which is much faster than the entire body or even the shoulder or arm. When a sabre or epee master is coming at you with a 3 foot long sharp piece of metal that is whipping around REALLY fucking fast, i dont believe that you would have the same opinion on the crappiness of european fencing.


Neither would u laugh when i cut tat thin piece of metal with a katana.
ive actually had a fencing match when i used a boken and he used a practice fencing whip. I dont know how to do any type of fencing, ive only been told id make a good "samurai" we start the match and he beats me like 5 times since he's been doing it 5 yrs. i finally get the hang of it, all i do is smack his sword down and swing sideways. (visualize its been shown alot by anime swordsmen) after that he couldnt beat me anymore.

let see, so ull charge at me with the thing whiping around, sure its fast, but fencing does not teach u to use ur entire body efficently. like i said before, since katana techniques were taught to break armour and the body its much more powerful, and cutting off a fencing sword is nothing. European fencing was made for duels. while korean/japanese fencing was taught for warfare. Japan depended completely on their swordsmen, so the style is incredible.

history lesson: China were more of a spearmen, so they're sword fighting is not so great. Koreans were double swordsmen, they used two swords on horses. But even so they were the most scientific country in Asia (during the time when we fought with swords) so did not heavily depend on the swordsmen. Japan however did not have human resources like china, and they were not engineers of that period. so the sword techniques are incredible.
During this time Europe made a giant discovery: British yeomen. They saw how the weaker english army fought the french and devastated them in the 100yrs war with archers. swordsmen were not needed so much.
Although asia had quicker bowmen and higher accuracy (yes its been proven im not just praising the asians) they did not have the european LONG BOW which hit swordsmen from really far away.

Different situation makes different development. Asia's situation especially japan and a bit of korea were more dependent on swordsmen.




man this to me is a lotta crap, u gonna keep sword with u when u walking on the streets? no , so u ass gonna be kick by any weak ass .


in USA true, in Europe true, in Latin America true. but have u been to Korea or Japan? (i dont know about china) korean and japanese gangs still do not use guns a lot, dont ask me why. Even in the US the krn gangs do street fights rather than shooting at each other. gang fights are done with fists, feet, and weapons. Most of the time it'll be wooden weapons rather than actual katanas or spears.

srry, swordsmen are not weak. Even european fencers develope speed at the least. Average kendo/gumdo GRLS reach a height of 165~170cms. THats how much work is put in the legs. imagine the arms. These swordsmen develope higher speed and sharpness than regular ppl or even the average MAist. Because they are training to avoid sword attacks which is much more fatal than a fist. I know a weak friend who took gumdo for a while and he got really fast. he's still no match for most ppl, but hes not a strong guy to begin with.

the main reason why ive been told id make a good swordsmen is my speed and something about how i use my arms. which is to say, while im kinda weak, i attack hard.

plus, a simple umbrella will substitute for a boken. So would a Meter stick. a violin bow. a pole. any piece of thin wood. hell, even pens wouldnt be 100% bad to use.

[Stickels]

lol ur martial art is for pussy , people dont got balls to do real fight be a man .


I want you to go look up Krav Maga, read up on it, and then come back and call me a pussy.

all I said was the the footwork was similar, not that I fight with... whatever it is your thinking I fight with.

I will mention however that if for some reason or another I happen to have a weapon on me, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, I fight to survive, not for honor.

[Mr. Bushido]

I want you to go look up Krav Maga, read up on it, and then come back and call me a pussy.

all I said was the the footwork was similar, not that I fight with... whatever it is your thinking I fight with.

I will mention however that if for some reason or another I happen to have a weapon on me, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, I fight to survive, not for honor.


how is martial arts for pussys?? just cuz u learn effective ways to fight? In the end watever gets u to win.

yes yes, who in the hell fights for honor? Watever gets u to win. We're not knights or samurais we have no bushido code.

[diabolistic]

I guess i'm the last person that still fights for honor, and obey my school's tenets..

tenet 3
You shall be a champion of justice and freedom
Baekjul Boolgool - Indomitable spirit

[Mr. Bushido]

I guess i'm the last person that still fights for honor, and obey my school's tenets..

tenet 3
You shall be a champion of justice and freedom
Baekjul Boolgool - Indomitable spirit


when we say honor we mean we dont do stuff like.

"Wait i cant hit him while he's down"
"I cant hit him there, its a vital point!"
"I have a weapon, he doesnt, maybe i shouldnt use it"
"Outnumbered? ha! i can take them on!"

u know? the typcical movie things u see.
we're not evil, when we fight, we just need to win. Better than getting our ass beat.

[diabolistic]

Well.. at my school, we focus on real life sparring, but we keep away from elbows and kicking on the ground.
However, we do learn how to use elbows, and how to knock your opponents to the ground for easier, uh.. access to techniques.

as long as you're not evil :D

[Mr. Bushido]

im not evil hahaha. Unless taking over the world is. Really i think id make a better world leader.

Yea but seriously tho. If its a school fight, id fight clean as possible without losing. But if its my life on the line? im pulling out my nuke.

[smee]

i was thinking of taking iaido swordsmanship but its way too expensive, its 700 bucks for the sword alone, and i dont really need it since i live in the U.S. i'm not that big but i'm fast as heck, my Tae Kwon Do Instructor told me i'm the fastest kicker he's ever seen, and he's a 5th degree black belt and believe me he is AWESOME and he's ripped like heck. Hence my name, Shadow Kicker.

[diabolistic]

i was thinking of taking iaido swordsmanship but its way too expensive, its 700 bucks for the sword alone, and i dont really need it since i live in the U.S. i'm not that big but i'm fast as heck, my Tae Kwon Do Instructor told me i'm the fastest kicker he's ever seen, and he's a 5th degree black belt and believe me he is AWESOME and he's ripped like heck. Hence my name, Shadow Kicker.

are you with ITF or WTF?

[Mr. Bushido]

TKD has a weakness, and being someone who beat up red and black belts in TKD to prove they have a big weakness i know it very well. Smee, if you're that confident about ur kicks, u better kick faster than sound. cuz unless ur doing low kicks all the time, which wont really do too much damage a simple dodge will be the end of u.
since TKD is so popular its weaknesses have been analyzed very well. when u go for a high kick which is the strongest attacks TKD has, a dodge than a tackle to ur support leg means ure on the floor, probably doing the splits. If you use TKD u have to know how to fall without hurting urself, and i know that is taught.
My dad's a 3rd degree black belt from the Korean Military. i forgot what belt in hapkido. He was the president of an Air Force High school. ive learned how to fight from him when i was little, and i have yet to lose in a fight, no matter wat style was used.

everyone tells me im fast as hell. Some of my friends say they cant even see my fist or feet. But i still want to take sword fighting since i can ALWAYS get faster.

if ure smaller than me... than ur speed wont help u too much. Im really small so if ure smaller than me dont be over confident. (not saying u are tho)



btw: no disrespect but, shadow doesnt represent speed at all. Shadow kicker sounds more like ure kicking at empty space. Just saying since shadow throughout history have never been something to represent speed. Wind has always been the speed.


all sword style is simple in terms of money : lessons are average about $50 a month maybe depending on how much you go. Armour/sword/other equipments go to be several hundred dollars. tats the only reason y i havent started it. in fact a while back some teacher just said "u look like u have some potential, ill teach u for free" but that didnt work cuz my parents didnt have the money to buy the armour and etc cuz they already spent so much on AP tests for me (DAMN i didnt want to take AP tests either) and the schedule didnt work out.

i live in the US too, and if i had an umbrella with me, i bet i can be effective fighter if i knew swordfighting.

ITF? WTF? wtf is that?

[Nagare Ryouma]

TKD has a weakness, and being someone who beat up red and black belts in TKD to prove they have a big weakness i know it very well.

ITF? WTF? wtf is that?

ITF= International TKD Federation WTF= World TKD Federation

I too agree with Zoro's remarks about TKD.... TKD's flaw is actually their main and only weapon, kicks. Sure, all those fancy high and air kicks may look devastating but, how many of them will actually land on your opponent? Plus the guard and stance of TKD overall is always 'wide open' with the upper body; it's not pragamatic at all. I personally don't have any doubts with TKD's kicks, especially straight forwards kicks that they have in their arsenal. But the art itself tends to focus too much on kicking, and kicking above waist-line..... What happens if your opponent fights at close range? Maybe like Ippo from Hajime No Ippo who happens to be an in-fighter from boxing? How the hell are you gonna kick from that angle? I dunno, that's basically with traditional TKD's out there. I've heard that there is this TKD federation known as AIMAA which has a different attempt from it's predecessor. It actually has punchs being taught is this true? If it is, I'm glad to hear the art is taking a step in it's path......

lol ur martial art is for pussy , people dont got balls to do real fight be a man .

Yawwwnnnnn..... :eyebrow: Your talking?

[archzai]

lol ur martial art is for pussy , people dont got balls to do real fight be a man .

u have issues
if u think BJJ is the best... put it up against Shaolin Kung Fu... they'll get raped...

[SirJeannot]

yeah, its EXTREMELY hard to disarm a guy with a knife without getting hit at least once by it. I mean how many people r gonna charge a guy who's holding a knife out?

i'd do it, since i've done it ...

[Mr. Bushido]

u have issues
if u think BJJ is the best... put it up against Shaolin Kung Fu... they'll get raped...

u have issues too. Shaolin isnt the best form. There is no best form of martial arts. its always the person. Guns dont kill ppl, ppl kill ppl.

last time i checked BJJ is a form of martial arts....


I saw a krn newspaper where the kids were doing different forms with their arms, but they said it was TKD.

TKD has good defense to it uses its arm to block. And its really good for close battle since u learn to knee, throw, and to light kicks. Also the point of TKD is to keep the enemy far away from u. Tats y the kicks have a strong weakness, but the power and speed of it is incredible. Most ppl who take TKD is most likely to know Hapkido and most TKD teachers will teach a bit of it to you. Hapkido is grappling style tats perfect for close battle.

[diabolistic]

High kicking is not the strongest kick.
piercing kicks, or side/back kicks are the most effective since it focuses all the power into one point, it aims for the obliques, and its extremely fast.

Only amateurs would go for the head with a kick in a REAL fight.
And yes, a correctly done piercing kick is faster than any other kick, unless you do a step to build power, in which case, its extremely obvious and avoidable.

BTW
ITF=Independant Taekwondo Foundation
WTF=World Taekwondo Federation

The difference is that WTF gives black belts away (shwarzengeger has a 6th degree dan for "promoting" Taekwondo.. wtf indeed) and is run by money-hungry urchins.

[smee]

yeah i definatly understand wut u guys r saying about tkd, but i'm saying that most people dont even see my kick after my leg STARTS to come up off the ground let alone be able to block it, and also, my TKD place teaches punching as well, and i dont mean just punching bags, i mean different types of punches and the strategy around them and how to incorporate them with kicks, and shadow kicker is something i kinda named myself, i kinda meant it to be that when i kick there is no shadow, which of course is impossible but thats the basic reasoning around it.

[Stickels]

smee, do you guys do full contact sparring, or just point sparring?

most tkd places I've seen only do point sparring, and point sparring is nothing. All it does is give a false impression that you know what your doing.

[smee]

we do both, usually full contact, is the only way to prepare for real fights, the only time we do point sparring is to practice for tournaments since they are all point sparring.

[Stickels]

good, good, that gives me that much more respect for you.

[smee]

thanks thats all i was asking for, i just want everyone to know that my tkd school is NOT a stupid wussy one that gives u a belt every 2 months. i cant stand places like that, like if i see a fat un-coordinated kid who claims to be a red belt it disguists me a ton, its so annoying that some places just give out belts because u've been there a while. and also, BELT MEANS NOTHING. not to sound cocky but when i was a high orange belt i was 10 times better than blue belts i knew from other schools. I hate when people rely too heavily on belt color and not the person wearing the belt.

[Stickels]

I'm personally not fond of belt systems in general, I think its a stupid way to do things, it creats a superiority complex, and tends to make people belive they are better than they really are.

[smee]

yes it does, but it is a good thing if you REALLY DO deserve the belt you have, it is a sign of accomplishment but only if you really earned it and have the skills to back up your belt.

[loverboy-fighter]

...for love and peace... and war on those who disrupt love pahahaha

[Stickels]

lol, heya loverboy, welcome to the naruto forum!

and even if you are as good as the belt represents, what good does the belt still do? Its a way of showing that your good, why would you want somebody to know that?

[smee]

very true stickels. but inside the dojang it doesnt really matter, but outside is a different matter.

[Mr. Bushido]

ORANGE BELT!?!?! WTF!!! damn white ppl messing up everything!!

white. yellow. green. blue. red. black.
thats how it is in korea.
the belts were frst made to show wat level u are. Its like naruto where there are gennins and such. Tats wat the belts were for. Now its for money

high kicks are the strongest. And axe kick is consider a high kick, and the heels are the strongest weapon of our body. the strongest kick is just a simple axe kick.

srry smee, i doubt ur kicks are so fast none of us in this thread can block it or dodge it. tkd has a big weakness thats only been covered by taking hapkido. which is close range. u wanna be good tkd, keep urself distant from the opponent.

when u kick there is no shadow. Tats still not a representation of speed. I mean it sounds cool, and im not saying ure stupid. I was just pointing out it doesnt represent speed, i like the name and all.
THere was a group in China during the British Imperialism that called themselves the shadow boxers. They believed their style will allow them to avoid bullets by becomin "shadows". of course the brits shot them down and murdered them.

There was a thread in gamefaqs.com about tkd and it showed how intense tkd used to be, wat is now, and what the future is. Back down to get a black belt, ud have to be at the dojang everyday for several hrs. Train for at least 10 yrs, and be good of course. u train by doing full contact sparring and hitting solid walls. That is reduced to present day where they practice on sandbags and point sparring. To future where the practice will be done on a cushinoned dummy with digital senors to see how well u hit the dummy.

BTW smee: frst of all, if i offended u in ANYWAY (since im blunt u gotta tell me when i go too far) im sorry and tel me so i know wat not to say. That goes for everyone else actually

2nd: If you live near LA county; tell me WHERE u train. I must find a good TKD, Hapkido, or Gumdo place. Preferably TKD since its cheap, and im not a grappler type.

[smee]

nope sry i live in NY, and also yes i know it has some weaknesses and u didnt offend me in any way, and also my tkd place teaches hapkido as well, with tae kwon do, we learn many hapkido techniques as well as tkd techniques. and the shadow thing its not supposed to be real or anything.

[Stickels]

Zoro, high kicks might be the most powerful kicks physically, but when you consider practicality, they kinda lose some credit, a short kick to the knee will almost allways be far more effective, and likely to succed, than kicking at someones head.

You break people from the bottem up, not from the top down. its where they least expect to get hit, and where alot of the most effective spots to hit are.

[Mr. Bushido]

its called a cycle of ideas.

ppl are more expected to be hit in the lower parts nowadays than the head.
WHY? because ppl back then least expected in the knee, and ppl who noticed attacked the knees, but everyone attacked the knees. Ppl are expecting to be hit in the knee more than the head in this time. Itll change again after a long time.
Cycle of idea.

plus u never do ur most powerful kick till the end of the fight when uve got him in a position to attack with a powerful attack. MOST powerful attacks will leave u open in some way. Thats why its always the "finishing" move. I never said its the most effective and efficient. But ure not going to kick him in the stomach in a COMPLETE wide open shot at him. Id kick him in the neck or the head.

DAMN! NY!


BTW: if u didnt know cycle of idea is a joke. Its a good theory but some humans NEVER get it. so it doesnt work tat way. Just the way lazy ppl make communism crappy. Good theory, but just doesnt work with ppl. Both ideas would work for animals tho.

[smee]

yup, NY indeed, sorry, but i really like my place because it teaches very good Tae Kwon do for long range and u always have the hapkido they teach with the tae kwon do incase u want to get into close range.

[Mr. Bushido]

yea i want to be a mixture of sanji and zoro from one piece. HAHAHAHA

i want to learn to kick really good, but not all out TKD.

[smee]

lol, my school would be perfect for what ur looking for, good kicking skills, hapkido, and ground fighting to go along with it all. too bad u live in California. I was born in California, i've lived in NY most of my life though. I'm 14 now and we moved here when i was 4.

[DontEatGrandma]

not to burst anyone's bubble or anything, but if someone comes at you with a knife or a gun, your probably going to get fucked up no matter how good you are.

My friend has taken martial arts for 16 years, and is a black belt in 2 different forms which im forgetting the names of at the moment...hes been training like all his life for a moment to use this defense that he has learned

first time he gets mugged it was by 2 guys--one with a knife, the other with a gun. there was nothing he could do against the gun. If both had had knives, maybe he would have done something, not likely though.

Basically, you are not invincible just b/c you know how to fight. might be a good idea to carry around a nozh or an oozy, for anyone who knows A Clockwork Orange

[smee]

no one here said they were invincible, and i think we all know that most people have NO chance whatsoever against a guy with a knife and a guy with a gun.

[Mr. Bushido]

14!?!?! ure a young one aint ya'?

actually im only 16.

i lived in korea till i was nearly 8, so my TKD has been lost... so sad, since krn TKD is the best in my opinion. IT was the last place to go money hungry.

im not into forms and such, so id take TKD only to increase jump height, leg strength and speed, flexibility, and ability. After that id just use my own style of kicks from wat i think is the best.

my jump kicks are good for someone who doesnt to martial arts, and ive actually used it well in a fight. im more of a fist guy right now tho. And even more towards swords.

Smee do me a favor and ask ur teachers if they know somwhere good in LA. If they are part of the TKD federation, they should know at least know of ONE dojang in the most populated city in the US.

wat nationality are you btw? just curious. concerning u came from CA.

[Stickels]

well... what you can do about the gun all depends on how close the guy with the gun is to you, but yeah, its a pretty horrible situation, and your most likely screwed.

hey, I'm from Cali to! I actually just moved away from there about 9 months ago, I'm in TX now. I hate it here, if it weren't for Krav it would be completely horrible.

[smee]

LOL!! i knew u were gonna ask about nationality now that i said California, well i'm not mexican or anything just plain american/caucasian. thats cool that u lived in Korea. Really cool, i'll try to remember to ask one of my teachers if they know of any places.

[Mr. Bushido]

well... what you can do about the gun all depends on how close the guy with the gun is to you, but yeah, its a pretty horrible situation, and your most likely screwed.

JUST RUN. yea believe it or not just RUN.

US military and the police academies did a research and they concluded most survivors of a gun threat were ppl who jsut ran their asses off. 70% of ppl carrying guns would not shoot. 10% would hesitate and miss. the other 20% only has 60% of hitting a running person considering that ure not a slow ass.

btw: true story, happened in SF Valley here in LA county around... may this yr

some blood or crip gang guy walks into a liquor store owned by some asian guy.
The black guy pulls out the gun and points at the store owner
"Give me ur money bitch!"
the store owner stares calmy, then suddenly BOOM!
the gun flys half way across the store, the owner stands with a golf club and swings it at the gangs. They all start running away. Yup the owner smacked the gun away with a swing so fast he didnt notice it till the gun was in the air.
Unfortunately for the gang members they came across a Korean guy who've done gumdo for a while. Not only that! He was a Korean War Veteren.

Most ppl will get fucked by a gun. But there are ppl like the one above in the story. how many ppl in this thread said that gumdo/kendo is useless????
no one said military is weak so thats cool.


hahaha smee. For some reason i KNEW u were white. I dont know something about the way u said everything or something. u just seemed white.

[DontEatGrandma]

w00t! southern california! im near LA too, in Ventura county in a town called 1000 Oaks.

Ne1 know of a Krav Maga or Capoeira studio in the region? I have a friend who took krav maga for a few years, but that was while he was in Israel...

[smee]

Yeah, my mom went to USC. she was born in California also.

[Stickels]

okay, well, yeah, running is kind of the obvious choice.

The guy who's training me is a war vet from Isreal, something about that is just comforting, knowing for a fact that this guy has tried this stuff out in a real battlefield and KNOWS that what he's teaching works.

[smee]

yeah, and my instructor was a proffesional fighter.

[Mr. Bushido]

w00t! southern california! im near LA too, in Ventura county in a town called 1000 Oaks.

Ne1 know of a Krav Maga or Capoeira studio in the region? I have a friend who took krav maga for a few years, but that was while he was in Israel...

DAMN! my 9th grade math teacher took in CA he never told me where tho... (Krav maga) But at least u know it'll be near LA county

caporiea is really rare. U better train those arms too.

[smee]

theres a capoeira place near me, its more of a dance than self defense but it looks cool and u learn some cool stuff.

[Stickels]

w00t! southern california! im near LA too, in Ventura county in a town called 1000 Oaks.

Ne1 know of a Krav Maga or Capoeira studio in the region? I have a friend who took krav maga for a few years, but that was while he was in Israel...


I dunno anyplace even in cali to take it... but I hope you can find someplace for Krav, its a great style.

[DontEatGrandma]

capoeira is really cool...i have friends who do it in santa barbara, but thats like 1 1/2 hours away.

Capoeira began in brazil and is what break dancing comes from, except that its a lot more complex. I saw a video of a capo master showing a technique...he was sparring with someone . . . while balancing on his head! really insane and cool stuff

[Mr. Bushido]

capoeira is really cool...i have friends who do it in santa barbara, but thats like 1 1/2 hours away.

Capoeira began in brazil and is what break dancing comes from, except that its a lot more complex. I saw a video of a capo master showing a technique...he was sparring with someone . . . while balancing on his head! really insane and cool stuff


not very helpful for fighting tho. If ure on ur head i can kick u in the head with almost no effort.... it gives TKD ppl such an easy time to kick their ass.

ITs cool tho, u learn great balance, flexibilty and strength

[loverboy-fighter]

thanks for the welcome Stickels

[Stickels]

learning to fight on your head... why?

talk about overcomplicating things.

[Avenger]

Wait! Near santa-barbara California? i have a cousin who lives there. Hes in college now. Oh...
Right... my friend takes Tai Kwan Do
Who lives near santa barbara?

[smee]

avenger its taE kwon do by the way, and anyway i think donteatgrandma lives in southern cal. but i dont think anyone here lives in Santa Barbera.

[Stickels]

I used to live in Sanoma county, and should be moving back there in about a year or so when I graduate.

[smee]

stickels, what college are you at? just curious cuz i might know it.

[Stickels]

high school...

I hate high school... I want out, so I can get back to california!

[Mr. Bushido]

i dont live too far away. 20 min drive from santa barbra. beaches are ok there i guess~

its smee! finally when i thought u died. hahaha actually im in programming class so i have acess to internet at school. Makes the internet life longer (?)

yea fighting on ur head is really for looks only. Even caporiea ppl at the craziest fight on their hands.

heres another martial arts that id love to learn: Jeet kun do. Bruce Lee's made up style. why is it good?? hahaha! Smee ure gonna like this (if you didnt already know)

heres its root:
Chinese kung-fu (i think it was shaolin or wushu)
Tae Kwon Do

A while ago chinese MA wasnt as avaliable to the public as it is today, in fact, it was SUPER rare. Chinese ppl would not teach westeners because they were still mad about all the shit the westeners have put them thru. Bruce Lee was able to learn a bit of kung-fu, but.... when he became a American citizen it was no longer avaliable to him. So he looked into Tae Kwon Do. mixing those two he got "jeet kun do"

It may seem like all chinese style, and ppl have argued it is. But its root is from tkd. and even the name "do" at the end makes it have a krn root. since most krn styles have "do" at the end. (TKD, hapkido, gumdo, tang so do, hwarangdo.)

Thats a nice combo.

I still want to take swords!


EDIT: hahaha i have this yr and next b4 i graduate. i hate it too! Smee ure a freshy right? prepare for 4 yrs of pain in the ass

[smee]

LOL, i really like my high school though, lots of work but lots of freedom, if u ask me they should make one form of martial arts and make everyone who wants to take martial arts take it. It would be called Tae Kido Jutsu. It would consist of Tae Kwon Do for long range fighting and leg development/jumping ability, and also include ground fighting in the TKD, Hapkido for close combat, and last but not least sword training in the art of Iai-Jutsu, the way most ancient Japanese samurai's learned, it consists of techniques to try to kill the enemy in one blow on the draw of the sword. Iai-Jutsu is a real style, it EXTREMELY rare though, i mean there are like 10 places in Japan that teach it.

[Mr. Bushido]

LOL, i really like my high school though, lots of work but lots of freedom, if u ask me they should make one form of martial arts and make everyone who wants to take martial arts take it. It would be called Tae Kido Jutsu. It would consist of Tae Kwon Do for long range fighting and leg development/jumping ability, and also include ground fighting in the TKD, Hapkido for close combat, and last but not least sword training in the art of Iai-Jutsu, the way most ancient Japanese samurai's learned, it consists of techniques to try to kill the enemy in one blow on the draw of the sword. Iai-Jutsu is a real style, it EXTREMELY rare though, i mean there are like 10 places in Japan that teach it.


style doesnt matter. I could take kendo or gumdo and if im really good, and if i can call myself a swordsman ill take on and beat any other style. the reason why i dont like european fencing is becuase its not a war style, but a sports type of thing. Plus i like katanas. But it would be nice to learn a style thats closest to actual sword fighting than sports. and hey, most styles teach u the "power attacK"

u think thats rare? how about Tekkyun? only 2 cities in the WORLD teaches the style. basically 2 dojangs... Both are in Korea... im not sure if one is in NOrth, but one of them for sure is in the South.

i just want a teacher who'll say. "Heres how u fight with a sword."
not "heres how u do kendo" or "kenjutsu" i dont care about style, just teach me to fight with katanas well.

Korea used to require u to take TKD at school. not anymore, but the physical requriments are still insane. china also had requirements for kungfu, i dont know if its still law.

[smee]

yeah true true. I like Katana's too, rurouni kenshin got me hooked on swordsmanship. actually Batto-Jutsu is another name for Iai-jutsu and batto-jutsu is a techniqe in kenshin.

[Stickels]

smee, I liked freshman year to... then it all went downhill and highschool just sucked.

I don't really think I'd bother learing to fight with a sword, its kinda pointless nowadays, I plan on learning to knifefight, and I'm about to start taking an instinctive shooting class.

[smee]

yeah swordsmanship is useless but cool and fun. i dont think anyones gonna walk around with their Katana and sheeth.

[Stickels]

lol, it would be fun to walk around with a sword every once in a while though, just to see everyones reactions.

[Paiser]

Any one take Tai Chi??? I take it:D:D:D:D its hard and you have to BREATE alot... but thats what people say, no you dont breathe alot... just teaches you how to use your lungs to go threw different situations... like when your fightin you have to stay calm.. if you cant breathe deeply... whooshhh whhooooo and its alot about pushing and fightin with palm instead of your fist! :p take taichi!!!!

[Stickels]

I've looked into some tai chi stuff... it never really interested me to much, just didn't suit me.

[smee]

I've looked into some tai chi stuff... it never really interested me to much, just didn't suit me.


me2, too slow for me.

[Mr. Bushido]

ive found the sword style i want to take

http://eng.hdgd.org/main.html

check out the videos. Haidong Gumdo, its not a sport. The videos are only demonstrations, but they're fast and they look really good. !!!! THERE ISNT ANY IN CA????

[smee]

that looks pretty cool zoro, korean sword fighting, sweet.

[Mr. Bushido]

that looks pretty cool zoro, korean sword fighting, sweet.

yea gumdo is kinda sport and more for duels. But when i found this style of gumdo today i was like !!!!!! I found out there is a school in LA... now to find more info and see if price is cheap enough for my parents to send me. (yea right....)

I heard it takes LOOOONG time tho...

it uses katana or katana style swords.

[DontEatGrandma]

some of you guys bitch about not being able to carry a sword around...why? my friend carries a bokan around with him all the time :)

although he also wears a tail...

zoro, where do you live?

o yes...high school really begins to suck once you are at like the end of your sophmore year

[Mr. Bushido]

some of you guys bitch about not being able to carry a sword around...why? my friend carries a bokan around with him all the time :)

although he also wears a tail...

zoro, where do you live?

o yes...high school really begins to suck once you are at like the end of your sophmore year

i live in the Jewish part of California. San Fernando Valley! OOOOOO yea! No i do not live in Northridge, Granada Hills, or other Korean part of valley. I live in the JEW JEW part of the Valley. I feel so poor here, cuz everyone else is rich. You? where do u live?

even if u dont have a boken, an UMBRELLA WILL WORK FINE. In korea ppl who do gumdo carry their bokens in a bag. If uve seen Shaman king its the same type of bag that yoh keeps his katana in. And they carry that around, sometimes they pull it out to fight or they keep it in the bag and attack with it.

im a junior.... its more of a pain when ure in one of those "Advance studies" programs where they force u to take every PSAT, Golden States, and AP tests. my english class is a college course... i mean wtf!! im a junior!! if it was AP id understand, but its only an honors class

u guys should look at haido gumdo. Its sooooo old in terms of roots. In fact its style is older than the samurai style and "Samurang" are the krns who did haido gumdo back then. Samurais came from the Samurangs. Oh yea! korean pride!

haido gumdo is not a sport, nor is it a dueling style. Its actual FIGHTING. they dont even where protective gear or cushion the boken. I love it, i want to join the LA dojang so bad.

the way they fight its so anime-ish, and their demonstrations too. They even have double sword styles.

i found another great martial arts: Hwarang-do. im not 100% sure wat it is, but all krn unarmed MA comes from this. In fact, most martial arts in Asia comes from the Hwarang Warriors. (Hwarang-do is the modern version that came out of this in 1940s)

[cyberock]

I've done Tae Kwon Do (WTF) style for five years, but that was quite a while ago i'm kinda outta shape now. I've also done Oom Yung Do (Tsung Moo Doe) for 6 months, didn't like it much. I got a few comments though..

diabolistic
The difference is that WTF gives black belts away (shwarzengeger has a 6th degree dan for "promoting" Taekwondo.. wtf indeed) and is run by money-hungry urchins.


Actually in WTF, i think after you reach 3rd degree black belt (4th or 5th i'm not sure) You are no longer tested to get further ahead, as long as you keep training, and promote yourself and your students, assuming that you have some, would get you higher up, but just sitting on your ass doing nothing wouldn't get you anywhere, i'm not really sure how shwarzenegger is "promoting" tae kwon do, last time i checked he doesn't teach anywhere :p

smee
i cant stand places like that, like if i see a fat un-coordinated kid who claims to be a red belt it disguists me a ton,


We had a guy with us in tae kwon do, he was large, huge, tall and bulky, but the guy can do the splits, and has amazing speed! Weird..

Zoro
white. yellow. green. blue. red. black.
thats how it is in korea.


I thought it was white, yellow, blue, red, black. Where did green come from? Well, i'm pretty sure thats how it is because i'm a 1st degree black belt certified from the Kukkiwon. I also got my certifications from there, and i don't remember anything about green belts.

Zoro
heres its root: [Jeet Kun Do]
Chinese kung-fu (i think it was shaolin or wushu)
Tae Kwon Do


Actually the root of Jeet Kun Do was common sense! It is true that Bruce Lee did tae kwon do, and kung-fu, but the whole philosophy was Jeet Kun Do was to disregard the idea that there is such a thing as a "form", by adjusting the distance and speed that you have between you and your opponent, you can "disable" their "attempts" to attack by cutting of their attack. i.e. if a person where to kick you, as soon as they life their leg you can block it with your foot, likewise with their arm.

Bruce Lee's philosophy was also about being formless "like water" (official quote!) and the idea of being able to adapt to your opponent, rather than to use a strict form.

smee
yeah true true. I like Katana's too, rurouni kenshin got me hooked on swordsmanship. actually Batto-Jutsu is another name for Iai-jutsu and batto-jutsu is a techniqe in kenshin.


There's actually a place close to where i'm staying where they teach the form for the battu-jutsu :) Its a ninjutsu place, beats me whats that all about... i guess they just mix forms or something.


Sorry about the length of this reply :) But i was very interested and just had to go through all the posts.

Tip: When fighting, whether you are confident or not, never and i mean never, underestimate an opponent, you may win, but if you are not cautious, you might as well play russian roulette

thats my 2 cents

[smee]

weird, this thread has turned into a conversation with like 4 people.

[Mr. Bushido]

yea there is no green. just a typo

ppl just want to talk about naruto, so there isnt much ppl here

[kakashi222]

yea there is no green. just a typo

ppl just want to talk about naruto, so there isnt much ppl here


Im here ;) . BTW, i was wondering what belt colours assosiate with the jeet kwon do style.

[Stickels]

I'm not a fan of swords... pistol > sword, move into the 21st century allready.

I'll admit they're kinda fun though, I own a sword, but I wouldn't see a point in taking a serious sword fighting class.

[smee]

yeah, buts its still mostly for fun, like i said b4, no-ones really gonna carry a sword around anyway and if u did u'd be arrested, by the way kakashi ur sig. is awesome.

[Stickels]

why would you be arrested?

as long as its not a concealed weapon it should be perfectly legal... in some states, in others you might need a licence (calfornia)

[smee]

i mean if u do anything with it, even as much as swinging it around can get u bagged i think.

[Mr. Bushido]

I'm not a fan of swords... pistol > sword, move into the 21st century allready.

I'll admit they're kinda fun though, I own a sword, but I wouldn't see a point in taking a serious sword fighting class.

cuz wooden sticks and swords are legal while pistols are not.
u can use umbrellas...
pistols kill, sticks hurt. Im not gonna kill someone over a fight
sword lessons increase strength, concentration, and speed. shooting classes increase accuracy, shooting skills. nothing more
becuz in korea u get more grls by becoming a swordsman. (thats right in korea the popular guys are swordsmen rather than football players or something)
for me its my culture, history, tradition. Its nationalism
if ure gonna carry a gun around, no point in learning any MA or training for physical strength

tats why taking serious sword classes is good.
some countries teaches u sword fighting in their military. Its like the US who learns how to fight with staffs. u wouldnt believe how much stronger u get from it



I think in USA all swords are illegal unless they are dull. But u wont get arrested if they saw u, and they're not gonna look around ure house. IF you have it out in public thats a different story.

[Stickels]

um... there's definatly still a point in learning MA if your gonna have a pistol, for those situations where the guy is to close, or at like school, or any other place you arn't allowed to carry a gun in.

and they are to legal to carry around, you just have to be licenced.

and I can't really see myself ever going to korea either.

[7hour.4mdy!]

um... there's definatly still a point in learning MA if your gonna have a pistol, for those situations where the guy is to close, or at like school, or any other place you arn't allowed to carry a gun in.

and they are to legal to carry around, you just have to be licenced.

and I can't really see myself ever going to korea either.
put ur pistol into ur ass and blow ^^ :joke:

[cyberock]

I think Korea is awsome, i haven't been there myself but the idea that its mandatory to learn martial arts is cool

[Mr. Bushido]

I think Korea is awsome, i haven't been there myself but the idea that its mandatory to learn martial arts is cool

i dont think its mandatory anymore. When i was there mandatory MA in elementary was repealed. But by the age of 7 they expect you to know basic TKD at least. mandatory physical training is there, and its hard. The elementary kids there have it harder than 8th graders in PE class in US.

uh.... u cant shoot anyone with a pistol its illegal. so tats like carrying a sword around ure never gonna use it. Its not like ure gonna get into a gun fight, but in a street fight knowing sword fighting gives u lots of advantages. You can use everything that slightly resembles a sword, from a switch blade to a pencil 100% more effectively than an undisciplined person.

Korea is a nice place. High technology and traditional things mixed.

Korea Town is in LA .... haha

[cyberock]

yeah i see what you mean, but i guess even if training is much harder, it would be really good to get some disipline also physical strength at a young age, i had always wished i was born in the south east, so i would have been trained like that

[smee]

yeah sword training makes ur arms beastly.

[Mr. Bushido]

yeah sword training makes ur arms beastly.

and long quick legs!
tats why sword fighting is so popular in korea

nice upper body, with long legs.
in other words u become tall and buff, but u dont look fat. Kinda like swimmer body. so u dont like big and muscalur like wrestler. U look kinda skinny but easy to tell ur buff and tall. Popular look in korea. In USA ppl are more for the big buff ppl. Japan is more into "pretty-boys"

hahaha :topicoff: but did u guys know lot of the things u see in japanese anime is so differen from actual japanese ppl. They act more like koreans and germans.

[Stickels]

its not ilegal to shoot someone if you are attacked on the street, its self defence, the only problem you have is proving it was self defence, and you worry about that later anyways at least you survived.

if you beat the shit out of them with a stick you find its the same charge, assult with a deadly weapon, so you have the same things to worry about either way.

[Mr. Bushido]

its not ilegal to shoot someone if you are attacked on the street, its self defence, the only problem you have is proving it was self defence, and you worry about that later anyways at least you survived.

if you beat the shit out of them with a stick you find its the same charge, assult with a deadly weapon, so you have the same things to worry about either way.

but if you KILL them and u cant prove it as self defense, ure charged with man slaughter. Killing someone with wooden sword is harder.
i dont feel comfortable around guns anyway, 3 ppl were shot at my school at the beginning of the yr, not pretty.

[Stickels]

its not particularly difficult not to shoot someone in a leathal area.

and anyways, it CAN be proven it was self defence if you shot him, most criminals have some kind of a criminal record, if its know he did stuff like this, of course they are going to belive you, especially if you are the one who called the cops.

better him dead than me.

[Mr. Bushido]

its not particularly difficult not to shoot someone in a leathal area.

and anyways, it CAN be proven it was self defence if you shot him, most criminals have some kind of a criminal record, if its know he did stuff like this, of course they are going to belive you, especially if you are the one who called the cops.

better him dead than me.


.... ok hahaha but is it even legal for minors to own a gun??

plus swordfighting has lots of other pluses that id take it for. ive mentioned plenty

[Stickels]

yeah, lots of plusses you can get just from working out right.

and no, its not legal for minors to own a gun. You got a point there, minors don't have much money on them either, so I don't think a minor is to likely to be mugged.

the only places your likely to get in fights as a minor will be in school, where if you beat the crap out of the guy with a stick they won't give a crap what you say, your gonna get in way more trouble, basic MA would be better than either for that so... yeah.

[Mr. Bushido]

yeah, lots of plusses you can get just from working out right.

and no, its not legal for minors to own a gun. You got a point there, minors don't have much money on them either, so I don't think a minor is to likely to be mugged.

the only places your likely to get in fights as a minor will be in school, where if you beat the crap out of the guy with a stick they won't give a crap what you say, your gonna get in way more trouble, basic MA would be better than either for that so... yeah.


no haidong gumdo for sure has proved to give better results than lots of other martial arts in terms of strength, speed, and concentration.

id take hwarang-do with haidong gumdo, together its good.

[kakashi222]

yeah, lots of plusses you can get just from working out right.

and no, its not legal for minors to own a gun. You got a point there, minors don't have much money on them either, so I don't think a minor is to likely to be mugged.

the only places your likely to get in fights as a minor will be in school, where if you beat the crap out of the guy with a stick they won't give a crap what you say, your gonna get in way more trouble, basic MA would be better than either for that so... yeah.


Very True Indeed. Martial Arts can be tuaght to anyone willing to learn. But in most cases it should be taught to young ones becuase they would gain alot from the disipline and self-confidence they would learn from martial arts. Also they would be physically prepared for any little fight they might accure with their peers (like in school.)

Of course when your talking about adults fighting with adults, most of the time they would resort to any means of fighting to win.

[Mr. Bushido]

Very True Indeed. Martial Arts can be tuaght to anyone willing to learn. But in most cases it should be taught to young ones becuase they would gain alot from the disipline and self-confidence they would learn from martial arts. Also they would be physically prepared for any little fight they might accure with their peers (like in school.)

Of course when your talking about adults fighting with adults, most of the time they would resort to any means of fighting to win.

in school most ppl fight "clean" becuz of their reputation.

[Stickels]

okay... that has anything to do with anything why?

that just makes life that much easier.

[SirJeannot]

my karate teacher made me a joke today
i'll have to get a black belt for a martial art i've never heard of ... in like 2 months :twitch:

[<^UmAyR^>]

Ive started ninjutsu when i was 7, and now im very good, *dissapears in a flash*

[Mr. Bushido]

okay... that has anything to do with anything why?

that just makes life that much easier.

wait wat????

[Stickels]

wait wat????


if you get in a fight in school, and the other guy is trying to fight "fair" for his reputation, that just makes your part of the fight easier.

[wnkryo]

if you get in a fight in school, and the other guy is trying to fight "fair" for his reputation, that just makes your part of the fight easier.


I completly agree, in that type of situation you should have the upperhand.


BTW, its me Kakashi222 if you guys want to know, i am using a new account.

[Stickels]

why are you on another account?

[wnkryo]

why are you on another account?


Becuase this is actually my old account from gotwoot, and alot off ppl know me from thier so i changed to it for animesuki too.

[Mr. Bushido]

if you get in a fight in school, and the other guy is trying to fight "fair" for his reputation, that just makes your part of the fight easier.


yea but i know lots of ppl that do that. stupid eh? u dont fight for rep.... tats just plain stupid. kids these days...

[Manga Maniac]

Hummm!! that gumdo seems interresting :D But one thing. I really have to start training again... Even if i still have the speed and strenght. I have to get used of getting hit. I´ve noticed i have been getting a bit wimpy lately. Not to mention totaly bored. Someone mentioned a bulky kid. And that it was strange seing him being insanely fast. Well. Jus because soem people are BIG doesn´t mean they...ahemm WE are slow.

Also...i´ve studied some human neuroligics (amazing what you do when you are bored) and found out that even if you take MA if you´re unlucky you can encounter a person that has extreme Neuro Kinetics. (*Hope i don´t get sued for that frase :D...a bit of a matrix rip of...or no..*) Their adrenaline pumps up in an incredible ammount giving them incredible strenght and speed. LOL!!!:heh: Come to think of it.... You could say it´s like Lee´s gate opening. it even has a down side...(read further down)

Those people are considered to be one of the most dangerous fighters. If they DON´T know MA and they snap. Their abillites comes as great as a person that trains MA. But if they now know the basics of 1 or even 2 MA they become quite fierce oponents. Not caring if they got broken bones. They just keep coming at you. Until the adrenalin stops.Basically a state of mind some people are able to put them self in...like a trance. But they loose strenght in the progress.

That´s about the bad part for them. When it stops it has drained energy from they muscles. It has made the muscles stayed flexed at maximum strenght the entire time they where in berserk mode, (interresting the things you can find out from books) making the muscles go numb after wards.

Sorry if was a bit of a long one. But hey.. Whatever that gets me blood heated. BEsides. This knowledge might be of some help if you ever encounter a person like that. Avoid theyre hits and punches as long as you can. Eventually when the adrenaline goes of they become even weaker then what they are normaly.

Edit: Was forgeting something important. This kinds of people are very rare. But in 70% of the cases it´s women who posses this ability. They instincts of protecting their children somehow has it easyer to remove that limiter. Scary to know you have a chanse of getting a "Super" girlfriend that can kick yer ass if she gets pissed :D.

Well that´s about covers it for now. I´ll edtit some more if i find more info. Feel free to discuss this info. But don´t flame me cause i´ve taking the info from many books and also some have actually some sense in them. I mean...i´ve seen a mother being able to push a rolling truck because her child was just about to get crushed by it. It´s sick.....all this weird stuff i´ve seen and experienced in my life.....belive me or not. ....thx for reading this... i just needed to get some incredible info out of my system.

[Mr. Bushido]

Hummm!! that gumdo seems interresting :D But one thing. I really have to start training again... Even if i still have the speed and strenght. I have to get used of getting hit. I´ve noticed i have been getting a bit wimpy lately. Not to mention totaly bored. Someone mentioned a bulky kid. And that it was strange seing him being insanel fats. Well. Jus because soem people are BIG doesn´t mean they...ahemm WE are slow.

Also...i´ve studied some human neuroligics (amazing what you do when you are bored) and found out that even if you take MA if you´re unlucky you can encounter a person that has extreme Neuro Kinetics. (*Hope i don´t get sued for that frase :D...a bit of a matrix rip of...or no..*) Their adrenaline pumps up in an incredible ammount giving them incredible strenght and speed. LOL!!!:heh: Come to think of it.... You could say it´s like Lee´s gate opening. it even has a down side...(read further down)

Those people are considered to be one of the most dangerous fighters. If they DON´T know MA and they snap. Their abillites comes as great as a person that trains MA. But if they now know the basics of 1 or even 2 MA they become quite fierce oponents. Not caring if they got broken bones. They just keep coming at you. Until the adrenalin stops.Basically a state of mind some people are able to put them self in...like a trance. But they loose strenght in the progress.

That´s about the bad part for them. When it stops it has drained energy from they muscles. It has made the muscles stayed flexed at maximum strenght the entire time they where in berserk mode, (interresting the things you can find out from books) making the muscles go numb after wards.

Sorry if was a bit of a long one. But hey.. Whatever that gets me blood heated. BEsides. This knowledge might be of some help if you ever encounter a person like that. Avoid theyre hits and punches as long as you can. Eventually when the adrenaline goes of they become even weaker then what they are normaly.

Edit: Was forgeting something important. This kinds of people are very rare. But in 70% of the cases it´s women who posses this ability. They instincts of protecting their children somehow has it easyer to remove that limiter. Scary to know you have a chanse of getting a "Super" girlfriend that can kick yer ass if she gets pissed :D.

Well that´s about covers it for now. I´ll edtit some more if i find more info. Feel free to discuss this info. But don´t flame me cause i´ve taking the info from many books and also some have actually some sense in them. I mean...i´ve seen a mother being able to push a rolling truck because her child was just about to get crushed by it. It´s sick.....all this weird stuff i´ve seen and experienced in my life.....belive me or not. ....thx for reading this... i just needed to get some incredible info out of my system.

didnt i mention something like this before in this thread? about the "super" adrenaline? Yea, well i think my mom has this... hahaha my dad told me she beat a drunken guy to the floor with her slippers. than my dad kicked his ass with his TKD and military training! hahaha great couple huh?

yea a grandma did the same thing, and a couple ripped open a croc's jaw for the same reason, their child.

[Manga Maniac]

Heh no zorro. I don´t recall you mentioning the "Super" adrenalin. :D jus plain ol adrenalin. But hey. I am thinking of training kendo. i´ve got the height, the strenght and (the beauty*COUGH*BS*CHOUGH*:D) the stamina to train it. Maybe i should try it:D What do you say Zorro? Should i go for it??

Edit: My uncle was a former south american champion in kendo. Until he had an "accident" with his oponent. The other guy hit him with a wooden sword on his shoulder breaking it. He couldn´t use the arm for almost over a half year....but he still managed to kick the other guys ass even with the broken shoulder. :D

[Mr. Bushido]

Heh no zorro. I don´t recall you mentioning the "Super" adrenalin. :D jus plain ol adrenalin. But hey. I am thinking of training kendo. i´ve got the height, the strenght and (the beauty*COUGH*BS*CHOUGH*:D) the stamina to train it. Maybe i should try it:D What do you say Zorro? Should i go for it??

Edit: My uncle was a former south american champion in kendo. Until he had an "accident" with his oponent. The other guy hit him with a wooden sword on his shoulder breaking it. He couldn´t use the arm for almost over a half year....but he still managed to kick the other guys ass even with the broken shoulder. :D

where do u live? I strongly say no to kendo and gumdo. ITs a sport not a martial art. Its good for strength and all, but if i took say haidong gumdo, ken-jutsu, or iaido id dance around you, and kendo wouldnt teach u to do anything more. Plus the armour is at least $400 US dollars. look for haidong gumdo, which is the style of the ORIGINAL SAMURANGS thats right, even the japanese samurais were from the samurangs. Plus the korean flag looks better than the japanese one. ^^

[Stickels]

or better yet, learn to fight with your fists, you'll find you have them available much more often.

[Mr. Bushido]

or better yet, learn to fight with your fists, you'll find you have them available much more often.

lot of swordsmen are stronger than martial artist.

[Stickels]

of course they're stronger, they have to be able to wield the extra weight of a sword, but you can't tell me that a swordsman could take a guy trained in hand to hand in a fistfight, cause thats just blatantly wrong. where as a guy trained in hand to hand might have a chance against a guy with a sword.

[Manga Maniac]

or better yet, learn to fight with your fists, you'll find you have them available much more often.

Who sais i can´t fist fight? i´ve practiced judo before. and also some street fighting with my dad. He used to work at the mentals hospital and there you HAVE to know self defence to work. and belive me...my dads moto in sparring is also..."if you don´t get hurt...how will you know what you´r faults and weaknesses are?" i have and old foot injury to go with that statement. Boy was i ever pissed. actually also the first time i knocked my dad out. It´s true what they say....an injured fox is more dangureous than a healthy one. Guess we both deserved what happened :D

oh! And zoro. I am a south american living in sweden :D

[Stickels]

Who sais i can´t fist fight? i´ve practiced judo before. and also some street fighting with my dad. He used to work at the mentals hospital and there you HAVE to know self defence to work. and belive me...my dads moto in sparring is also..."if you don´t get hurt...how will you know what you´r faults and weaknesses are?" i have and old foot injury to go with that statement. Boy was i ever pissed. actually also the first time i knocked my dad out. It´s true what they say....an injured fox is more dangureous than a healthy one. Guess we both deserved what happened :D

oh! And zoro. I am a south american living in sweden :D


:D I like that motto, its a good motto for learning how to fight.

[Manga Maniac]

:D I like that motto, its a good motto for learning how to fight.

True but i had to suffer 8 months because of that motto. i had to undergo 5 operations on my left foot. My dad broke my big toe. that´s not a prob. but he also shattered the nail. Making it growing inwards. The most anoying part is i have 1 idiotic unique thing about me. My body has developed a kind of imunity to Morfines. Strange since no one in my family or relatives EVER have used drugs...Also they injected 8 Needles in my legg. YES! 8. you only need 1 or 2 tops. AND i still felt the pain when they ripped the toe open just to pull the nail out fromm the root. AAARRGHH!!! i can almost feel the pain again by just thinking of it. Now my nail is totaly FU. its thick ass hell and i propably have to go for another surgury soon *shivvers*......the horror. :sad:

[Stickels]

ouch, that sucks man... bet that wassn't exactly the happiest moment of your life.

We had a guy break his shoulder in Krav, I think that was the worst thing we've had yet. I've gotten a concusion, I've given my brother a concusion... well I've given just about everyone a concussion, apparently I hit hard, lol. I've broken my thumb (that kinda sucked) yada yada, anyways, point is we kinda look at it the same way, if it doesn't hurt you arn't gonna know what it is your doing wrong. I can't count the hours I've spent trying to convince myself that my ribs don't hurt that bad so that I can go to sleep, but I've definatly toughened up from it.

EDIT: I wrote fight instead of life on that first sentance... go figure.

[Mr. Bushido]

actually swordsmen long time ago proved to be better fighters than trained hand to hand many times.

i dont know, learning how to fight with sword makes u really strong, i have personally witnessed it. You just havent ^^.

i know wat my main weakness is: size. hahaha im SMALL!!! thats why swordsmenship seems best to me. It makes u tall, gives u powerful long legs, and a bigger upper body. Especially Haidong gumdo trains ur body.

Most martial arts stunts ur growth... not good for me.

[Stickels]

um... I dunno why you would think it would make you tall... There is absolutly no kind of exercise you can do that will make you taller, its a genetic thing, if your gonna get taller, you'll grow the natural way.

building muscles to young can stunt your growth though, thats why gymnasts and people are all so damn short.

[Moon The Cat]

Hey Zoro I have noticed you say you are small, may I ask how much?

And another thing, being small gives you faster movements. Or so I have noticed.

[Mr. Bushido]

um... I dunno why you would think it would make you tall... There is absolutly no kind of exercise you can do that will make you taller, its a genetic thing, if your gonna get taller, you'll grow the natural way.

building muscles to young can stunt your growth though, thats why gymnasts and people are all so damn short.

u didnt know?? sword fighting makes u grow, especially gumdo (anystyle) and kendo (any style) it excercises ur legs in some way. ive witness my friend who has gone thru growth spurt already grow a freakin 5 inches from it. Also his teacher is a over 6ft tal korean dude. average sword fighters that are asian are about 175 cm. Which is about 5...10'?

by stats: excercises that makes u the tallest are:

basketball, jumpropes, running (?), and gumdo/kendo.

im a 5'6, 135lbs. 16 yrs old.

yes im more agile than most people. however my brute force isnt that great until i can get a clean fast attack to the face. im the shortest of my friends except this one japanese soccer kid. But im probably the fastest, have medium brute force among them, overall best fighter. None of my friends are really fighters.

[kanazuchi]

Heh, a little bit into the discussion for me to be pooping in, but I took a little bit of TKD, wasn't really a fan so I dropped it a while back and am now a boxer. I feel more comfortable fighting against any style with my boxing then with TKD. The mixture of power and speed in boxing IMO makes for lack of kicks. Im 5'9" 170 lbs right now and have a 3-1 rec right now.

[Manga Maniac]

u didnt know?? sword fighting makes u grow, especially gumdo (anystyle) and kendo (any style) it excercises ur legs in some way. ive witness my friend who has gone thru growth spurt already grow a freakin 5 inches from it. Also his teacher is a over 6ft tal korean dude. average sword fighters that are asian are about 175 cm. Which is about 5...10'?

by stats: excercises that makes u the tallest are:

basketball, jumpropes, running (?), and gumdo/kendo.

im a 5'6, 135lbs. 16 yrs old.


Well 5 '6 isn´t exactly short... or is there something i missed?
your tall if i go after your mesures.
it is 5´6 feet where talking about right?
doesn´t Seem like average height to me for a 16 year old..humm that would be like 192 cm DAMN your even taler than ME? naahh can´t be that tall. You must have said something wrong. My calculation is eazy. You said that 175 cm= about 5´10...oh wait.. my bad i think i jus figured it out.... a foot was about 30 cm right?
then that would make you about 165 cm. Sounds normal to me.

i´m not a giant my self either...well ok..maybe a little:D
i´m not sure how much a feet was. but i´ll say my height in cm and my weight in kg.

(i´m more used to that) I´m a 19 year old at the height of 184 cm(6'1?)
(incredibly enough i´m still growing) and i weigh right know 120 kg. i used to be thinner and weigh about 100 kg but i gained weight. i lost 10 kg by going to the gym for the last 5 months but i´m still not as a good shape as i was before... once again DAMN operations. :bash: i WILL get back into shape!
i figure i need to get rid of at least 10 kg more. Then i´d be at my ideal weight.
My lenght from shoulder to shoulder is about 52 centimeters wich is quite big. so yea...i´m technically a giant. the average lenght of men in my family is actually 160-168 cm. (If i wasn´t the split image of dad and have the same characteristics of mom i swear i was adopted :D) it feels like goliath grew up with the 7 dwarfs or something like that:D

As for kendo and any swordsman ship training. I thought you knew that you have to do the jump ropes everyday. That´s what i´ve seen in the few dojos over here in sweden and 1 or 2 i south america. That´s why you grow so much in swordsmanship training. Train legs everyday. You need to have strong legs so you can keep a sturdy balance and be able to move quikly in a static way. Even there you have training.
The thing i like about kendo is that they are able to learn how to move in a way that the oponent can´t be sure of wich direction your giong.

But that big uhh.... "Skirt" they have also have some significanse to those movements :D

[7hour.4mdy!]

bjj doesnt matter weight or height just matters ur technic thats why this ma is the best of all

[Mr. Bushido]

Well 5 '6 isn´t exactly short... or is there something i missed?
your tall if i go after your mesures.
it is 5´6 feet where talking about right?
doesn´t Seem like average height to me for a 16 year old..humm that would be like 192 cm DAMN your even taler than ME? naahh can´t be that tall. You must have said something wrong. My calculation is eazy. You said that 175 cm= about 5´10...oh wait.. my bad i think i jus figured it out.... a foot was about 30 cm right?
then that would make you about 165 cm. Sounds normal to me.

i´m not a giant my self either...well ok..maybe a little:D
i´m not sure how much a feet was. but i´ll say my height in cm and my weight in kg.

(i´m more used to that) I´m a 19 year old at the height of 184 cm(6'1?)
(incredibly enough i´m still growing) and i weigh right know 120 kg. i used to be thinner and weigh about 100 kg but i gained weight. i lost 10 kg by going to the gym for the last 5 months but i´m still not as a good shape as i was before... once again DAMN operations. :bash: i WILL get back into shape!
i figure i need to get rid of at least 10 kg more. Then i´d be at my ideal weight.
My lenght from shoulder to shoulder is about 52 centimeters wich is quite big. so yea...i´m technically a giant. the average lenght of men in my family is actually 160-168 cm. (If i wasn´t the split image of dad and have the same characteristics of mom i swear i was adopted :D) it feels like goliath grew up with the 7 dwarfs or something like that:D

As for kendo and any swordsman ship training. I thought you knew that you have to do the jump ropes everyday. That´s what i´ve seen in the few dojos over here in sweden and 1 or 2 i south america. That´s why you grow so much in swordsmanship training. Train legs everyday. You need to have strong legs so you can keep a sturdy balance and be able to move quikly in a static way. Even there you have training.
The thing i like about kendo is that they are able to learn how to move in a way that the oponent can´t be sure of wich direction your giong.

But that big uhh.... "Skirt" they have also have some significanse to those movements :D

hahaha niiiice i am almost exactly 165 cm. I forget ure not in the US. Sorry~ im korean, so im used to the metric system a bit, but not as much as the english units.

haha i dont like the hakamas either

im told 165 is about average height, but here in america... ppl are not so average haha. her have 40% of the worlds resources so ppl grow here FAST. so by 16 they are at a height they will be forever. while im still doing a cm a yr T.T

also i have small shoulders, not broad. I cant tell how small, but its small even for an asian guy. I used to do jumpropes, and am still good at it, but i havent in a long time. (thanks to jump rope, im actually 5'6'', if i didnt id be like... her 150~145 cm maybe) So i may be average, when u see me i look like a 12 yr old, my "babyish" face doesnt help me look intimidating at all either.

BJJ ISNT THE BEST STYLE! there is no such thing as best styles!

most martial arts uses small ppl to fight... like wushu, TKD and such. ITs all made in Asia, therefore its for smaller ppl to hit harder. So yea, bjj isnt the best sorry, there is no BEST. there isnt a BETTER either

unless its sword fighting, cuz kendo and gumdo is just a sport. (so is fencing)
but iaido, ken-jutsu, and haidong gumdo are actual fighting. ^^

[Manga Maniac]

True about the part that most asian MA are for small ppl Zoro. But imagine now two pair of feet flying towards you.One the foot of an asian and uhm....ok lets jus say mine.. i have quite large feet. And you know what they say about men with large feet:naughty:
what hurts more? the smaller one? or the bigger one? :D

idunno why i said this..maybe cause i have nothing better to do or say right now.
heh well me and some of my dumb moments..... :)

Well....i should actually go for kendo. i need more exercise. And i also lack the proper disipline to be able to handle true swordfighting. i have never fought with swords before. But i have trained some combat with a Yari.
(yeah like those skills would ever come in handy :D) so kendo might be good for me to start of with.

Besides.... i need to sharpen my concetration more.... i´ve noticed i have been able to become some what brain dead lately. My father says it´s because i have it far to easy to fall into meditation state. Anoying sometimes.. but also veeeeery recourseful. I can do things without getting tired. i once ran for like an hour... i usualy only run for like 20-30 minutes. i didn´t noticed i out ranned my dad. (He´s quite fast for a 50 year old) when i "came to senses" i didn´t feel a bit exausted.

i wonder if this can work also during some other specifik situations. :naughty:

Well! that´s it for now. I have to go over to mom´s. She´s away today and tomorrow and i have to feed her pets. 2 cats....they're soooo cute

[Stickels]

krav has nothining to to with weight or speed either, it teaches you to fight with the body and advantages you naturally have. We have a guy who took BJJ for 5 years in our class, and he says he'd have died if he'd a tried to fight any of us only knowing his BJJ stuff, so shush up about it being better than everything else.

I'm 16 and 5'11", my little brother is 14 and 6'1"

[Mr. Bushido]

True about the part that most asian MA are for small ppl Zoro. But imagine now two pair of feet flying towards you.One the foot of an asian and uhm....ok lets jus say mine.. i have quite large feet. And you know what they say about men with large feet:naughty:
what hurts more? the smaller one? or the bigger one? :D

idunno why i said this..maybe cause i have nothing better to do or say right now.
heh well me and some of my dumb moments..... :)

Well....i should actually go for kendo. i need more exercise. And i also lack the proper disipline to be able to handle true swordfighting. i have never fought with swords before. But i have trained some combat with a Yari.
(yeah like those skills would ever come in handy :D) so kendo might be good for me to start of with.

Besides.... i need to sharpen my concetration more.... i´ve noticed i have been able to become some what brain dead lately. My father says it´s because i have it far to easy to fall into meditation state. Anoying sometimes.. but also veeeeery recourseful. I can do things without getting tired. i once ran for like an hour... i usualy only run for like 20-30 minutes. i didn´t noticed i out ranned my dad. (He´s quite fast for a 50 year old) when i "came to senses" i didn´t feel a bit exausted.

i wonder if this can work also during some other specifik situations. :naughty:

Well! that´s it for now. I have to go over to mom´s. She´s away today and tomorrow and i have to feed her pets. 2 cats....they're soooo cute

small feet.. pressure = force/area.
so ure feet will hurt more areas, but mine will be more in a given area. ^^

[gruvy_qc]

I only have one thing to say: Drunken boxing alll tha way!!!! IT's seems to be a relly diffucult MA cause it needs a lot of balance and you can also drink and walk straight after!!! No flaws.

[Mr. Bushido]

I only have one thing to say: Drunken boxing alll tha way!!!! IT's seems to be a relly diffucult MA cause it needs a lot of balance and you can also drink and walk straight after!!! No flaws.

its great art. Hard just like u say. Most ppl will require u to take wushu for a year at least before they teach u Chi quan (drunken boxing)

[Manga Maniac]

its great art. Hard just like u say. Most ppl will require u to take wushu for a year at least before they teach u Chi quan (drunken boxing)

Wushu??? Drunken Boxing?? Never heard of those styles before. Explain so i can look furter into them. Both sound interesting :D

and ya zoro. yours propably hurts more on a specifik area...but think also of that my weight in my foot is greater. so it´s just like yours...only it hits a bit bigger area.

so it kind of evens out a bit. besides...when it comes to an axe kick the damage is the same anyway :D cause by some weird reason all heels are almost equaly large.

[Stickels]

its fun to videotape you and your friends attempting to immitate drunken boxing... I wish I had that video, my god its hilarious, I'm have to get that from andrew when I go back to cali over christmas break.

[Manga Maniac]

What is Drunken boxing??:confused: i´ve never seen or yet alone heard of that style before. Got any web pages that shows or explains what it is all about? and also about wushu please. thx in advance :D

[Stickels]

I dunno about wushu, but drunken boxing is basically a style where you have your entire body in motion at all times, which gives the appearance of being drunk, and your attacks appear to come out of nowhere.

[Manga Maniac]

*foneticaly spelled* Karokakuiiiiiiii!!:D i gotta try that out. Yet alone see if i can find more info about that style!

[Mr. Bushido]

What is Drunken boxing??:confused: i´ve never seen or yet alone heard of that style before. Got any web pages that shows or explains what it is all about? and also about wushu please. thx in advance :D

haha ill give u a movie that shows these things. hahaha

download: Legend of the Drunken Master. Jackie chan, believed to be one of the best drunken boxer.

and wushu is basically wat u see Jet Li and Chan uses in most of their movies. (jet li uses it more)

[ironhero]

Hi i was wondering if u guys no what to do when a guy rushes in with great speed.
if i do a round house, his in front of my faces throwing punches before my leg is down.
if i do any type of kick he is in before i can do anything.
i tried getting closer and rushing in but he does it before me.
i'm having a great deal of trouble.
i also tried the step back side kick but it doesn't do much
any thouhgts about this?

[Mr. Bushido]

Hi i was wondering if u guys no what to do when a guy rushes in with great speed.
if i do a round house, his in front of my faces throwing punches before my leg is down.
if i do any type of kick he is in before i can do anything.
i tried getting closer and rushing in but he does it before me.
i'm having a great deal of trouble.
i also tried the step back side kick but it doesn't do much
any thouhgts about this?

dont use kicks higer than ur hips. When he rushes towards u punch him the face. wait for him to come to you, and when he does back of just a bit so he misses u then snap foward with a punch. When he rushes aim at his knees and kick.
for someone who rushes alot, u have to wait for them to attack you first, then u counterattack. or if youre bigger and stronger. Take the hit, then grab him while his attack is still sinking in.

[Uzumaki626]

why is this floating in the naruto section? (^_^)

[Mr. Bushido]

why is this floating in the naruto section? (^_^)

becuase it was in the old one, and the mods left it alone...
and this thread is for naruto lovers to discuss i guess. i didnt make it.

[raikage]

What is Drunken boxing??:confused: i´ve never seen or yet alone heard of that style before. Got any web pages that shows or explains what it is all about? and also about wushu please. thx in advance :D

A link to Drunken Boxing:

http://goldeneaglemac.com/drunken.shtml

Now, I know very LITTLE about martial arts in general (I'm learning T'ai Chi Chuan at my university, and plan to take second semester as well as Shaolin Chuan Tan Tui, so I don't have nearly the experience that you guys do), and I can't say whether or not this web site is accurate.

But, Drunken boxing as I understand it is to fight while appearing drunk (duh).
What does this mean?

Pretty much, it means you bob and weave unpredictably. You feint in and out, side to side; your opponent can't figure out what you're doing.

As I understand it, Wushu is a Chinese term for martial arts. Kung fu means proficency or skill, Wushu specifically refers to martial arts (any form of martial arts).
There's a good chance I'm wrong, btw

[Mr. Bushido]

A link to Drunken Boxing:

http://goldeneaglemac.com/drunken.shtml

Now, I know very LITTLE about martial arts in general (I'm learning T'ai Chi Chuan at my university, and plan to take second semester as well as Shaolin Chuan Tan Tui, so I don't have nearly the experience that you guys do), and I can't say whether or not this web site is accurate.

But, Drunken boxing as I understand it is to fight while appearing drunk (duh).
What does this mean?

Pretty much, it means you bob and weave unpredictably. You feint in and out, side to side; your opponent can't figure out what you're doing.

As I understand it, Wushu is a Chinese term for martial arts. Kung fu means proficency or skill, Wushu specifically refers to martial arts (any form of martial arts).
There's a good chance I'm wrong, btw

ure right mostly. but wushu is a style. My friend takes it. Its basic martial arts taught in china. Then as u advance u take different variation of wushu, last time i checked drunken boxing was one of these variation.

[Manga Maniac]

dont use kicks higer than ur hips. When he rushes towards u punch him the face. wait for him to come to you, and when he does back of just a bit so he misses u then snap foward with a punch. When he rushes aim at his knees and kick.
for someone who rushes alot, u have to wait for them to attack you first, then u counterattack. or if youre bigger and stronger. Take the hit, then grab him while his attack is still sinking in.

True...but if this his sparring that might just slaughter his oponent :D
Simple things are always better. if he likes to rush in and hit do a nifty little trick that i´ve picked up. :D.

Hold your hand way front at the height of your oponents face. And have your fingers spred towards him also. Basically no one wants his eyes poked out in the progress of attacking ;). SImple yet effective. (Warning) Don´t use that if your afraid of hurting your fingers a little. You need to have a strong and flexible hand if he by some act of god rushes into your hand anyway :D But hey....he losses an eye or two by acting dumb...so his problem......ne?
Then you can do your kicks without him dashing towards you.

But if your a slow kicker i would say go with Zoro´s tips. Because even if you do what i said before.....As long the guy has fast reflexes and dashes preeeeetty quick he still might be able to get in range for an attack before you even finish the kick. Just don´t beat the guy down so much that he can´t remember who he is anymore. :D

OH!! by the way :D i watched the movie you told me about. "The drunken master".
Nice fighting style :D but i hope that when i get to practise it at a dojo or dojang(whatever the case may be) i wont have to get drunk to fight better ;)
(Like lil' ol Jackie in the movie) But the movie was GOOOD! :D

[Mr. Bushido]

True...but if this his sparring that might just slaughter his oponent :D
Simple things are always better. if he likes to rush in and hit do a nifty little trick that i´ve picked up. :D.

Hold your hand way front at the height of your oponents face. And have your fingers spred towards him also. Basically no one wants his eyes poked out in the progress of attacking ;). SImple yet effective. (Warning) Don´t use that if your afraid of hurting your fingers a little. You need to have a strong and flexible hand if he by some act of god rushes into your hand anyway :D But hey....he losses an eye or two by acting dumb...so his problem......ne?
Then you can do your kicks without him dashing towards you.

But if your a slow kicker i would say go with Zoro´s tips. Because even if you do what i said before.....As long the guy has fast reflexes and dashes preeeeetty quick he still might be able to get in range for an attack before you even finish the kick. Just don´t beat the guy down so much that he can´t remember who he is anymore. :D

OH!! by the way :D i watched the movie you told me about. "The drunken master".
Nice fighting style :D but i hope that when i get to practise it at a dojo or dojang(whatever the case may be) i wont have to get drunk to fight better ;)
(Like lil' ol Jackie in the movie) But the movie was GOOOD! :D

theres also one from the 70's when he first learns the syle. its a good movie but not as good as the new one u probably saw.

[0ink]

Heres something for all of you that does that jackie chan shit.

http://downloads.collegehumor.com/media/movies/brit_fight.wmv

;)

[Stickels]

Hi i was wondering if u guys no what to do when a guy rushes in with great speed.
if i do a round house, his in front of my faces throwing punches before my leg is down.
if i do any type of kick he is in before i can do anything.
i tried getting closer and rushing in but he does it before me.
i'm having a great deal of trouble.
i also tried the step back side kick but it doesn't do much
any thouhgts about this?


a quick kick to the kneecap or the groin can solve this most of the time, or you just throw your guard up and let him barrel into you, then open up with hook punches and kicks to the knees/groin.

[Baka no desu ka?]

a quick kick to the kneecap or the groin can solve this most of the time, or you just throw your guard up and let him barrel into you, then open up with hook punches and kicks to the knees/groin.
Or sidestep as he strikes, block his arm and attack the neck/backside. That way you deflect all of the attack's force and get an easy hit in.