View Full Version : [Manga] What do you think of Itachi now?
Hidden deep under a shell of cold and emotionless demeanor for the longest time, we have finally seen the real face of Itachi's true self violently craving for blood, light and ultimate power.
What is your impression of Itachi after witnessing his motivation and the demonic face of his insatiable greed?
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2008-01-26, 09:51
....Psycho.
Plus if Madara had killed the Uchiha with Itachi and knows of Sasuke's existence then surely he must know what Itachi is up to. Still atleast we get to see Itachi going all out I hope.
MihawkXGP
2008-01-26, 10:05
I Like him even more now, now he's revealed his true colours.
He needs a shrink. Complete wacko, didn't expect him to have such a goal within his mind.
The Chaos
2008-01-26, 10:41
No Matter Of Itachi Thinking ...I'm With Him..
I Like Him Even More.. :)
AnbuItachi
2008-01-26, 11:57
sasuke sure has a wild imagination. i like him slightly less now cause hes shown to be weak
Itachi's character has, at least in my eyes, gained some more depth with this revelation. I was having a really hard time believing that Itachi was leaving Sasuke alive simply because he wanted Sasuke to find and kill him, so this wraps up that little open question in my mind. However, it would have been nice to see him be slightly calmer about the whole thing. His demeanor throughout the entire series has been calm and collected, despite his inherently evil nature and bad-ass-ness. I just wish he would have maintained that calm, instead of going all "psycho-face" when he revealed the secret...it would have played well into his inherent evil, I think.
vision55
2008-01-26, 12:21
Itachi is still the Shizzzit. But i wished that the poll had something like "still thinks of him the say way" because one crazy outburst does not mean he sucks now. I know everyone loves the calm, collected boring guy with crazy moves but i did not mind at all that he finally showed some raw emotion.
-Its crazy that in these 2-3 chapters we saw a wide range of emotions from Itachi...from the smiles in the flash backs all the way up to his infamous "phy-co face" Nice to see imo.
I love him more than ever XD
I always had a thing for characters going crazy, and when Itachi goes crazy, it's just pure awesome. Smiling Itachi in the flashbacks freaked me out, but this... Brilliant <3 XD
Itachi is still the Shizzzit. But i wished that the poll had something like "still thinks of him the say way" because one crazy outburst does not mean he sucks now.
Done.
That's why I hate poll.
vision55
2008-01-26, 13:12
Thanks Old geezer =)
*hope that doesn't offend.
its good to see that all that "capacity" thing is revealed...and actually he had plans,not an emotionless "i do kill" char...
BlackDove
2008-01-26, 14:54
Itachi is my idol now that I've seen he's batshit fucking loco. In the end, the ambition isn't all that different from Orochimaru.
Jameel11435
2008-01-26, 15:05
He needs a shrink. Complete wacko, didn't expect him to have such a goal within his mind.
buh isnt it like clan tradition to some extent?
MysticNinjaJay
2008-01-26, 15:18
The psycho look didn't change anything for me. It was kind of cool actually because I think it was just a genjutsu. That demon had Sasuke wrapped up in its hair and on the next page it's gone, Sasuke takes his robe off and Itachi is looking calm again saying that he trusts Sasuke has seen his true face.
This vain ambition makes Itachi multi-dimensional. We finally understand the final secret of Sharingan, why he wanted Sasuke to grow strong and face him and it's also clear that Itachi is not a follower. It always seemed strange to me that he killed the clan to sever his ties with them yet joined an organization and became a subordinate.
He aims to surpass his master, who was the most powerful ninja in the world at one point. I also enjoyed the flashbacks in the chapter, specifically the one where Sasuke introduces himself and the ambition his character has been centered around. This is his destiny. The manga was looking sketchy for awhile and I'm not too keen on the eye swapping but atleast Kishimoto is back on track.
I'm interested in what the outcome will be. Especially considering the fact that Sasuke doesn't even have the Mangekyo Sharingan, as Itachi noted and he is still going to fight him, confident that he will win. If Sasuke can beat Itachi without the MS what is it even worth? If Sasuke wins, what's he going to do? Steal Itachi's eyes and gouge out his good eyes?
I'm predicting a setup. This battle is about displaying the superiority of Mangekyo Sharingan. We don't even know the extent of his powers aside from Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Kakashi's inter-dimensional manipulation techniques. This battle is about showing its true power. I think that Sasuke is going to lose but be spared once again with the realization that he really must kill Naruto to gain the power to beat Itachi.
BlackDove
2008-01-26, 15:38
You sure your signature doesn't spoil it a bit for the non manga readers when you post in other threads?
Spectacular_Insanity
2008-01-26, 16:35
I never liked itachi, and I like him even less now. Not that it's really measurable, but that's what I picked. Psychopaths must die.
seiji_kun
2008-01-26, 17:32
loved him going psycho. Wonder what Sasuke thougth, he prolly thougth his brother let him live to ease his mind a bit or cause he mb loved him a bit but he was just a spair of eyes. Itachi sure is right that the Uchicha clan is one psycho clan.
Well he wants to surpass Madara, at least we finally know some of his plans. Tho for a genius I think he is quite the idiot. He found the Uchiha clan repulsive cause of theire search of power but he helps the one who has sinned the most to it and he goes on that path himself. That's quite contradicting yourself. Especially when those actions weren't happening anymore.
Well he wants to surpass Madara, at least we finally know some of his plans. Tho for a genius I think he is quite the idiot. He found the Uchiha clan repulsive cause of theire search of power but he helps the one who has sinned the most to it and he goes on that path himself. That's quite contradicting yourself. Especially when those actions weren't happening anymore.
Which is why it was exactly the opposite.
He despised his clan because they didn't kill each other anymore and lived in peace in Konoha instead of trying to reach the limits of their capacities and then try to go even further by any necessary means.
TheNewbSwordsMan
2008-01-26, 17:48
i agree with hunter 100%, he hated the clan bc they became weak over time.
as for how much i like or dislike him, i never liked him bc of his personality, so him being crazy doesnt bother me, I liked him becuase he had never been defeated and all the fights i saw with him, he barely went all out and easily won. Power = me likey.
thats why i like him as much as i liked him b4 this, sure i now know why he wanted sasuke alive, but if you think about it, its not really bloodlust, its neccesity, he HAD to take his brothers eyes to become stronger, if he could take ANY uchihas eyes, the story wouldnt make sense. I long thought that there was no reason to kill his entire family and leave his brother, but not that he explained why he did it, i dont think hes any more anti social of crazy than i thought he was anyways, and hes still damn powerful, the only way my opinion will change of him, is if he loses to sasuke, and even that doesnt mean death, i mean the 1st beat madara and he didnt die, so defeat doesnt always mean death, so its possible after this arch is over, itachi will still be a alive, however for some reason i think madara and pein will die b4 all is said and done, go figure.
I like what they did with Itachi. He's now just an ordinary villain and that drops the importance and intenrest level of Sasuke's revenge down a notch, so less people will care about the mysteries of Uchiha.
After re-reading the chapter, I think that the sudden psychotic outburst is the inner persona of Itachi which Sasuke saw using his Sharingan.
Which made me think, Itachi has done a pretty good job concealing all that under his stoic mask. In the real world he fools everyone by making them think that hes the cool, calm and collected guy but deep down inside his mind he's actually a psychotic freak. :heh:
What brought down my opinion of him was his motivations. I always thought that whatever the reason was, he would be standing on the side of 'justice' (like the Tengu theory...sorta) but really now it's all for selfish reasons.
Nonetheless, he still owns :D
You sure your signature doesn't spoil it a bit for the non manga readers when you post in other threads?
Yah, really.
MysticNinjaJay
2008-01-26, 22:13
You sure your signature doesn't spoil it a bit for the non manga readers when you post in other threads?
I'm starting to hate this forum. :(
seiji_kun
2008-01-26, 23:09
Which is why it was exactly the opposite.
He despised his clan because they didn't kill each other anymore and lived in peace in Konoha instead of trying to reach the limits of their capacities and then try to go even further by any necessary means.
Well now it at least makes sense to me. Tho the translation I was reading made it seem the opposite way. Well the man is one psycho freak to hate ppl that want to live in peace. I almost want to give Sasuke some credit for making his life purpose to want to kill Itachi. But he could've done it in so many better ways.
loved him going psycho. Wonder what Sasuke thougth, he prolly thougth his brother let him live to ease his mind a bit or cause he mb loved him a bit but he was just a spair of eyes. Itachi sure is right that the Uchicha clan is one psycho clan.
Well he wants to surpass Madara, at least we finally know some of his plans. Tho for a genius I think he is quite the idiot. He found the Uchiha clan repulsive cause of theire search of power but he helps the one who has sinned the most to it and he goes on that path himself. That's quite contradicting yourself. Especially when those actions weren't happening anymore.lol
anyway itachi has somewhat been downgraded for me not that he has still a mayor role. i do however had to revise alot of stuff about itachi regarding jirajia uchiha and his organization or calculating skills
for me he has somewhat become less not less in the sense useless but less. Reason why i think this is because not only is its howed that he could not do big things himself he also had a mentor making the whole growth of him for me useless and the fact he always needed an leader in akatsuki and in uchiha.
and to think or hint to sasuke that he regards himself a better candidate as supreme uchiha then madara is for me laughable. i mean he didnt even have a great kyuubi he didnt establish a great clan like madara but think he is on equal ground is for me like pffff omg you lost it.
or this genjustsu had to be an increditable lie to sasuke so he would think wrong think yet again
also itachi was always the cool type and sasuke in the surrounding of itachi was the naruto but seeying how he was displayed that coolness has been going to sasuke now imo
He's nothing more than a cliche villain now, lust for power. Meh I never liked him anyway,
I mean who could really want to have Itachi as their brother, I bet some of these fanboys do because he's hot and cool. pffftt.
He's nothing more than a cliche villain now, lust for power. Meh I never liked him anyway,
I mean who could really want to have Itachi as their brother, I bet some of these fanboys do because he's hot and cool. pffftt.i only respect his skill as ninja nothing more i mean its like would you hang out with a itachi irl
or some fan girl yes i want itachi be my boyfriend lol your family is screwed. psychopathic nutcase imo. I would change my opinion though if there was no other choice for the slaughter for example madara ordered him to help him other wise sasuke would die or some crap. Then id be ok he is somewhat honourable and didnt have a chance but for what i have seen so far i cant really think good about him.
He aims to surpass his master, who was the most powerful ninja in the world at one point. I also enjoyed the flashbacks in the chapter, specifically the one where Sasuke introduces himself and the ambition his character has been centered around. This is his destiny. The manga was looking sketchy for awhile and I'm not too keen on the eye swapping but atleast Kishimoto is back on track.
I'm interested in what the outcome will be. Especially considering the fact that Sasuke doesn't even have the Mangekyo Sharingan, as Itachi noted and he is still going to fight him, confident that he will win. If Sasuke can beat Itachi without the MS what is it even worth? If Sasuke wins, what's he going to do? Steal Itachi's eyes and gouge out his good eyes?
I'm predicting a setup. This battle is about displaying the superiority of Mangekyo Sharingan. We don't even know the extent of his powers aside from Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Kakashi's inter-dimensional manipulation techniques. This battle is about showing its true power. I think that Sasuke is going to lose but be spared once again with the realization that he really must kill Naruto to gain the power to beat Itachi.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1283507&postcount=83
My original theory wasn't to far off. I didn't realise it required a brother instead of any other MS user but I was somewhat on track back then =D.
At this point I think Itachi will win and become the main villian in the story. I can honestly see him taking out Sasuke's eyes in the process. What I think will happen from that point, is Sasuke's white snake regeneration powers will help him develop new eyes, maybe it will require Sakura's medical help too who knows but I belive something along this line will happen.
It just seems like something Kishi has been planning for some time now. After Sasuke gets defeated by Itachi, it will also help draw in the story of how Sasuke realises he isn't as great as he thought and needs help against Itachi, instead of playing super man. There for he will need Naruto and the team to finish his goal. Since if he couldn't stop Itachi before there would be no reason he could stop him the next time either, especially with Itachi getting more powerful. Where as on the other hand if Sasuke did kill Itachi, there would be no reason for him to stop being rogue, and he would just continue on his way to Madara.
I realise this is just my own opinion, but I say this because, I don't belive Kishi will make this whole revenge plot play out like Sasuke wanted. If he does, he automaticly sends the wrong message to a lot of people which is the hell with your friends if you want something bad enough, screw everyone else just think of number one to get what you want. Instead of the more Naruto like philosophy of hard work & friends will help you get you to the top.
It would be badass if Itachi takes Sasuke's eyes to become all powerful, but if they did happen. Itachi would be almost about to take over the world but at the last moment Naruto will show up and Naruto will try to take revenge but of course would lose at first but then flashbacks of Sasuke show up then that stupid naruto song comes on and naruto says "this is my way of teh ninja" and somehow wins using Rasengan killing Itachi and Itachi says how come my eyes couldn't see it, cough *blood* *dies*. That is my prediction for Naruto's ending if Sasuke gets his eyes taken.
It would be badass if Itachi takes Sasuke's eyes to become all powerful, but if they did happen. Itachi would be almost about to take over the world but at the last moment Naruto will show up and Naruto will try to take revenge but of course would lose at first but then flashbacks of Sasuke show up then that stupid naruto song comes on and naruto says "this is my way of teh ninja" and somehow wins using Rasengan killing Itachi and Itachi says how come my eyes couldn't see it, cough *blood* *dies*. That is my prediction for Naruto's ending if Sasuke gets his eyes taken.
not happening...
MysticNinjaJay
2008-01-29, 07:25
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1283507&postcount=83
I didn't realise it required a brother instead of any other MS user but I was somewhat on track back then =D.
At this point I think Itachi will win and become the main villian in the story. I can honestly see him taking out Sasuke's eyes in the process. What I think will happen from that point, is Sasuke's white snake regeneration powers will help him develop new eyes, maybe it will require Sakura's medical help too who knows but I belive something along this line will happen.
It just seems like something Kishi has been planning for some time now. After Sasuke gets defeated by Itachi, it will also help draw in the story of how Sasuke realises he isn't as great as he thought and needs help against Itachi, instead of playing super man. There for he will need Naruto and the team to finish his goal. Since if he couldn't stop Itachi before there would be no reason he could stop him the next time either, especially with Itachi getting more powerful. Where as on the other hand if Sasuke did kill Itachi, there would be no reason for him to stop being rogue, and he would just continue on his way to Madara.
I realise this is just my own opinion, but I say this because, I don't belive Kishi will make this whole revenge plot play out like Sasuke wanted. If he does, he automaticly sends the wrong message to a lot of people which is the hell with your friends if you want something bad enough, screw everyone else just think of number one to get what you want. Instead of the more Naruto like philosophy of hard work & friends will help you get you to the top.
Nice prediction and good theories.
I think it would be gruesome for Sasuke to have his eyes removed and I don't see reason for Itachi to not just kill Sasuke if he took them. But if Sasuke has truly inherited Orochimaru's powers he has freaky jutsu like the one where Oro regenerates a new body that comes out of the old one even if he has lost a limb.
Sasuke did make note of the healing factor a couple chapters ago so anything is possible.
Also Itachi made it clear that he wants Sasuke to have the MS when they fight. He doesn't have it and Itachi even made note of this during the battle. Itachi has already killed his best friend so I don't think he can redevelop MS with Sasuke's normal Sharingan. He left him alive for the purpose of obtaining it so he can steal it.
I do think Sasuke is going to lose and be humbled in this battle. Instead of seeking the help of the others he may simply seek out Naruto to truly kill him. I do like the idea of Sasuke losing his eyes and going blind for awhile only to have the regenerate and align with Konoha to take on an all-powerful Itachi.
This is a good moment in the manga because it is hard to predict the next outcome.
fenikkusu
2008-01-29, 15:39
i like itachi, but i saw this going completely the other way, i thought it was going to be revealed that by killing off the clan , he was actually somehow saving sasuke and the villiage of konoha. Long time ago when the dad was talking with itachi about the meeting place, and how itachi is there conection to the village, i thought maybe they where planning a revolt against the village, or to overthrough the hokage. i thought maybe sasuke would kill itachi, then find this out and sad moment for him, killing his brother and a savior of konoha, it always seemed to me that itachi had a love for sasuke, he siad once that sasuke and him would have to servive, even if it ment sasuke living in hatred of his brother.
but now we see that i was completely wrong, and it was completely the other way around , and he just wanted sasuke to gain more power.
symbiotes_021
2008-01-30, 03:29
I hate him now. Cause he's 'coolness' is gone and he revealed his weak wicked plan...
I don't care either way. Itachi, has always been a psycho (killing his whole village including his parents, after all) but hes one of those "cool" psycho's.
I don't care either way. Itachi, has always been a psycho (killing his whole village including his parents, after all) but hes one of those "cool" psycho's.He *was* one of the cool psychos. Not anymore.
His expression reminded us a few other characters' expressions, Oro's, Hidan's, Deidara's, basically, characters who are doomed to disappear. I guess, the moment they remove the coolness mask is the trigger of an unavoidable end...
james0246
2008-01-30, 04:31
I guess I like the changes that Itachi has gone through. Before he was never really that 'badass' as many have so eloquently called him. He was just kind of there, and while he did have the power to kill you in less than a heartbeat, I honestly never saw him as being that powerful or difficult of an opponent, for some strange reason. Some fans would like you to think that Itachi was cool like say Aoishi from Rurouni Kenshin was cool, you know the stoic, angsty, badass type. But really Itachi was nothing more than a zombie, a pile of flesh with no personality that just happens to be able to kill you. Now, that he has gone off the deep-end, he is far more fun and interesting. I guess that I just preffer a villian that likes bathing in the blood of the innocent :). (Oh, Shishio every good Shounen needs you at its heart :).)
i'm so dissapointed.
Before Itachi was this uber/emo/everything great. now he is just another phyco who wants power......So sad. to see the death of a great character.
Yes i do mean Death. now that he has revealed his true motives Sasuke can kill him. because he is just anther phyco in search of power. that practiclly gives Sasuke the green light to go and kill him. if it had been other explanation than Sasuke would not be able to kill him but, now he will.
Before Itachi revealed his motives he was untouchable. but, now he still is a prolific ninja, but because of his motives he can be killed off. and the most convienent person is Sasuke if not Naruto.
Phyco's in search for power always die in the end. The good previal.
MysticNinjaJay
2008-01-30, 09:51
i'm so dissapointed.
Before Itachi was this uber/emo/everything great. now he is just another phyco who wants power......So sad. to see the death of a great character.
Yes i do mean Death. now that he has revealed his true motives Sasuke can kill him. because he is just anther phyco in search of power. that practiclly gives Sasuke the green light to go and kill him. if it had been other explanation than Sasuke would not be able to kill him but, now he will.
Before Itachi revealed his motives he was untouchable. but, now he still is a prolific ninja, but because of his motives he can be killed off. and the most convienent person is Sasuke if not Naruto.
Phyco's in search for power always die in the end. The good previal.
That prediction begs the question...what does Sasuke have in his arsenal that could possibly compete with Mangekyo Sharingan?
Normal Sharingan and its powers which Itachi has mastered? Uchiha ninjutsu skills that Itachi also has and used to teach Sasuke as a child? Chidori which proved useless in their last battle and which Itachi can copy? Orochimaru's jutsu Sasuke inherited from possessing him or the ones he was taught (remember Itachi's line, "Before these eyes all your jutsu are useless")?
Mangekyo Sharingan isn't worth shit if Sasuke can beat Itachi at this stage. This battle is an obvious setup to show us what an MS user can do when facing a formidable opponent. I believe that Sasuke will put up a good fight but be defeated, spared and then seek out the MS for himself (i.e. kill Naruto) in order to beat Itachi, realizing that without it he cannot win.
Sabaku Kyu
2008-01-30, 12:23
That prediction begs the question...what does Sasuke have in his arsenal that could possibly compete with Mangekyo Sharingan?
Normal Sharingan and its powers which Itachi has mastered? Uchiha ninjutsu skills that Itachi also has and used to teach Sasuke as a child? Chidori which proved useless in their last battle and which Itachi can copy? Orochimaru's jutsu Sasuke inherited from possessing him or the ones he was taught (remember Itachi's line, "Before these eyes all your jutsu are useless")?
Mangekyo Sharingan isn't worth shit if Sasuke can beat Itachi at this stage. This battle is an obvious setup to show us what an MS user can do when facing a formidable opponent. I believe that Sasuke will put up a good fight but be defeated, spared and then seek out the MS for himself (i.e. kill Naruto) in order to beat Itachi, realizing that without it he cannot win.
Sasuke also has CS to make him stronger, though I think he may avoid using it against Itachi (as a matter of principle)
But remember, Sasuke doesn't necessarily have to overpower Itachi with his own MS. Itachi might make a mistake, or leave an opening like Sasori did. Granted, Itachi is very calculating, but he can be arrogant and sees MS as being virtually invincible. That assumption might even work against him. Sasuke still has Sharingan, which means he can resist MS, even if he can't overpower it. If he could endure and create an opening, he could win.
we don't know if Sasuke has the MS or not?
He might have aquired it the way that Kekashi(can't spell) did. you can''t rule out that possibility.
But, now that Itachi is a phyco his days are numberd. don't when & where or by who or how but it will probely be soon and than Madere/tobi and Pain will be left.
I do think that he is an important character but, not as much as Madere/tobi and Pain....
MysticNinjaJay
2008-01-30, 23:08
Sasuke also has CS to make him stronger, though I think he may avoid using it against Itachi (as a matter of principle)
But remember, Sasuke doesn't necessarily have to overpower Itachi with his own MS. Itachi might make a mistake, or leave an opening like Sasori did. Granted, Itachi is very calculating, but he can be arrogant and sees MS as being virtually invincible. That assumption might even work against him. Sasuke still has Sharingan, which means he can resist MS, even if he can't overpower it. If he could endure and create an opening, he could win.
I count the Curse Seal as one of Oro's jutsu. The entire Sound 5 was defeated so I don't see the CS giving Sasuke an edge over Itachi. He does have a chance, it's up to Kishimoto, but I think that the hype surrounding Mangekyo Sharingan foreshadows the outcome of this battle.
Sasuke will no doubt put up a good fight, I just don't think this is his time. We're finally going to get to see Itachi fight seriously and MS isn't worth its hype if Sasuke can beat Itachi with his current skill.
we don't know if Sasuke has the MS or not?
He might have aquired it the way that Kekashi(can't spell) did. you can''t rule out that possibility.
But, now that Itachi is a phyco his days are numberd. don't when & where or by who or how but it will probely be soon and than Madere/tobi and Pain will be left.
I do think that he is an important character but, not as much as Madere/tobi and Pain....
He doesn't have it. We know this because his eyes have not deterioated. If you go back to the Itachi clone vs. Team Kakashi conflict in the forest you will notice that Itachi becomes shocked when Kakashi asks him how far his eye sight has deteriorated. Kakashi could have only known of this condition if HE himself was going through the same thing. That's why Itachi was shocked, he caught the hint.
We still don't know how Kakashi got his MS but we know that Sasuke doesn't have it because he was unaware of the blindness side effect.
Itachi knew straight away that Sasuke did not have the MS, before even telling him about the blindness. I'm guessing he either knows that Naruto is his best friend and he hasn't killed him or figured Sasuke didn't have it because he gave no indication that he did.
we don't know for concreate evidnece that Sasuke does not have MS. i mean i rather doubt that he does but, in saying that there has been no indication.
Kakashi managed to aquire MS.
do thair eyes deterioated stright away or is a gradule thing. do they know stright away that they are losing thair eyesite or some time later?
I don't really care about Itachi..never have....He's one of those characters with a big part that isn't shown much, and the only reason as to why I take an interest is because he explains things that I want to know.
do thair eyes deterioated stright away or is a gradule thing. do they know stright away that they are losing thair eyesite or some time later?
It gets worse everytime they use the MS.
Whether sasuke has the MS or not, who knows, he might even acquire it mid way through the fight. There might even be different versions of it, some like Mandra and Itachi's lead to blindness, the other version might have some other "sacrifice"/downside.
I do recall, it was only Mandra that went blind, his brother whose eye pattern was different (from Mandra and Itachi) seem more or less unaffected. Who know, Sasuke might end up with that version.
I have a theory (with no proof of any kind), that maybe the other eye pattern grants abilities to counter Mandra's type MS.
-Mandra's MS give the ability to create very strong illusions, but cost you to lose your visual perception.
-Mandra's brother's MS give extra perception that allow one to break MS strength illusions, with the downside being you will slowly lose the ability to cast illusions/hypnotize at all with the regular Sharingan.
-while Kakashi's MS was just a random mutation.
cheese4u
2008-01-31, 12:39
It gets worse everytime they use the MS.
Whether sasuke has the MS or not, who knows, he might even acquire it mid way through the fight. There might even be different versions of it, some like Mandra and Itachi's lead to blindness, the other version might have some other "sacrifice"/downside.
I do recall, it was only Mandra that went blind, his brother whose eye pattern was different (from Mandra and Itachi) seem more or less unaffected. Who know, Sasuke might end up with that version.
I have a theory (with no proof of any kind), that maybe the other eye pattern grants abilities to counter Mandra's type MS.
-Mandra's MS give the ability to create very strong illusions, but cost you to lose your visual perception.
-Mandra's brother's MS give extra perception that allow one to break MS strength illusions, with the downside being you will slowly lose the ability to cast illusions/hypnotize at all with the regular Sharingan.
-while Kakashi's MS was just a random mutation.
Or maybe he simply didn't use his MS as much as Madara, and thusly didn't receive the same amount of damage.
MysticNinjaJay
2008-01-31, 13:42
we don't know for concreate evidnece that Sasuke does not have MS. i mean i rather doubt that he does but, in saying that there has been no indication.
Kakashi managed to aquire MS.
do thair eyes deterioated stright away or is a gradule thing. do they know stright away that they are losing thair eyesite or some time later?
No indication? Did you read the last chapter? Itachi said to Sasuke that he noticed that he didn't have it and Sasuke said to go ahead and use it on him. Itachi told him about the blindness because he KNOWS he doesn't have it. Sasuke isn't going to come out in the next chapter and say "AHA! I have the Mangekyo Sharingan afterall".
You guys should learn to pick up on these subtle hints. Kakashi's side effect for MS is exactly the same as Itachi's and Madara's. How do we know this? Because Itachi said that the side effect is a trademark of the ability. He knew Kakashi had it when he asked him about his own eyesight, that's why he was shocked while up to that point he had been calm (Kakashi knows because his eyesight must also be deteriorating). We don't know how Kakashi got it (As Itachi noted it is supposed to be the ultimate ability of their advanced bloodline and said it was impossible for Kakashi). But we know Sasuke doesn't because he elected not to kill Naruto and chose to seek power through Orochimaru.
Or maybe he simply didn't use his MS as much as Madara, and thusly didn't receive the same amount of damage.
Well, the author did go through considerable trouble to give Mandara's brother a different eye pattern, instead of giving him the one that Mandara and Itachi has. Just thought there is a pretty good chance that it meant something.
As Itachi noted it is supposed to be the ultimate ability of their advanced bloodline and said it was impossible for Kakashi.
Itachi never said that.
Well, the author did go through considerable trouble to give Mandara's brother a different eye pattern, instead of giving him the one that Mandara and Itachi has. Just thought there is a pretty good chance that it meant something.
It means the Mangekyo Sharingan has differents shapes depending of its user since Kakashi, Itachi, Madara and his brother all have different eyes when they use it.
Nice prediction and good theories.
I think it would be gruesome for Sasuke to have his eyes removed and I don't see reason for Itachi to not just kill Sasuke if he took them. But if Sasuke has truly inherited Orochimaru's powers he has freaky jutsu like the one where Oro regenerates a new body that comes out of the old one even if he has lost a limb.
Sasuke did make note of the healing factor a couple chapters ago so anything is possible.
Also Itachi made it clear that he wants Sasuke to have the MS when they fight. He doesn't have it and Itachi even made note of this during the battle. Itachi has already killed his best friend so I don't think he can redevelop MS with Sasuke's normal Sharingan. He left him alive for the purpose of obtaining it so he can steal it.
I do think Sasuke is going to lose and be humbled in this battle. Instead of seeking the help of the others he may simply seek out Naruto to truly kill him. I do like the idea of Sasuke losing his eyes and going blind for awhile only to have the regenerate and align with Konoha to take on an all-powerful Itachi.
This is a good moment in the manga because it is hard to predict the next outcome.
The only thing I can think of, if it does turn out where Itachi takes Sasuke's eyes, and a spoiler pic from the manga seems to suggest that, though it can be fake, could be another genjitsu, could be anything really, so who knows. Though I would imagine, that if Itachi does takes his eyes now, he's banking on the fact that once they turn MS, they will never loose the light from the start. Figure Itachi might actually have a few ways to pull this off. He can kill Madara, and surpass his master, since his opinion of him is rather low atm. Which might give him MS, since they are close. Or possibly Kisame, who he's traveled with for so long now, which might also give him MS who knows. Or last but not least the Kakashi way, what ever the hell that is. This is all assuming, that regardless of Sasuke's eyes status, he plans on taking them out now, instead of waiting for Sasuke to gain MS of his own.
In a way it's kind of brilliant, because his eyes will be in the most perfect condition. One of the clan's most powerful eyes, (since it's been said Sasuke's eyes will surpass Itachi's) ones that have never detereorated, and in a pure maniacal genious. It's the perfect formula for the perfect villian. At least I think so. Especially if Itachi walks all over Sasuke, like nothing it shows, how Sasuke who was considered a hax character of god like Status can be easily destroyed by his brother. I would see no reason as to why Itachi wouldn't be able to be the main villian at that point. Also, it leaves the small room, that Eternal MS that has never been deteriorated can all of a sudden have even more unique secrets, because that's something corny enough I wouldn't put past Kishi to do. Since he's already made the sharingan, into the most powerful tool ever, what's one more power up for the last villian.
I liked him before since he was somehow special.Now we got so many damn uchihas with ubergan eyes and his reason to kept sasuke alive was damn stupid.I mean I'd understand if there was some greater twisting reason, rather than just "Im 1337 leet and I will destroy the world with ubergan eyes ROFL"...think of it, since naruto began we always saw itachi as big bad boss guy thinking plots like getting kyuubi/enitre demons for himself and look what he did : eternal ms...is that the best they can do? simply making fiery combos with unharming ameterasu? sending everyone to tsukuyomi without hurting himself? pathetic writing I say, not Itachi's fault anyway but course it effects the character.
Sabaku Kyu
2008-01-31, 14:44
I count the Curse Seal as one of Oro's jutsu. The entire Sound 5 was defeated so I don't see the CS giving Sasuke an edge over Itachi. He does have a chance, it's up to Kishimoto, but I think that the hype surrounding Mangekyo Sharingan foreshadows the outcome of this battle.
Cursed Seal wasn't developed by Oro, it was derived from Juugo. And Oro himself didn't possess a cursed seal. Itachi has never encountered it. And of course, CS is a power that's amplified by the base strength of the shinobi. Kimimaro with CS is leagues above Tayuya with CS. Besides, I wouldn't take Itachi's comment "All your jutsu are useless against me" word for word. He was saying that Oro could not match him as a shinobi, not the he was literally immune to all Oro's jutsu. That comment was meant to be applicable to Oro, not to Sasuke.
Sasuke will no doubt put up a good fight, I just don't think this is his time. We're finally going to get to see Itachi fight seriously and MS isn't worth its hype if Sasuke can beat Itachi with his current skill.
Well, we may not have seen everything Sasuke has learned yet. We've pretty much discussed all the abilities he's shown so far, but it's been hinted he still has more up his sleeve (i.e. "that jutsu" and/or the "second option" he claimed he could've used against Deidara). Really, I have no idea how Sasuke logically supposed to win against Itachi without MS. But shounen usually favors the underdog in this type of scenario. Plot device and deus ex machina should be factored in this type of situation.
But more importantly, Madara did state that Sasuke would surpass Itachi and that this would occur soon. That to me seems like a hint heavily indicating Sasuke will win sooner rather than later.
MysticNinjaJay
2008-01-31, 17:41
Itachi never said that.
He said that Tsukiyomi was unbeatable and that only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him could defeat him. When Kakashi hinted that he had the MS Itachi was shocked and consider the feat to be impossible.
Cursed Seal wasn't developed by Oro, it was derived from Juugo. And Oro himself didn't possess a cursed seal. Itachi has never encountered it. And of course, CS is a power that's amplified by the base strength of the shinobi. Kimimaro with CS is leagues above Tayuya with CS.
I know where it's derived from and I know that it gives Sasuke a power boost. Just the same, I doubt Kishomoto will use it as Sasuke's edge over Itachi when the other CS users have been defeated.
Besides, I wouldn't take Itachi's comment "All your jutsu are useless against me" word for word. He was saying that Oro could not match him as a shinobi, not the he was literally immune to all Oro's jutsu. That comment was meant to be applicable to Oro, not to Sasuke.
I didn't take it literally. But as far as we know Sasuke has nothing that would give him an edge against Itachi. That's not to say that he could not hold his own with all he has learned but that there isn't anything in his arsenal that should be a match for Mangekyo Sharingan. It's been stated that a ninja with the Uchiha bloodline can resist the powers of the MS but that's about it.
We'll see what Kishimoto comes up with.
Well, we may not have seen everything Sasuke has learned yet. We've pretty much discussed all the abilities he's shown so far, but it's been hinted he still has more up his sleeve (i.e. "that jutsu" and/or the "second option" he claimed he could've used against Deidara). Really, I have no idea how Sasuke logically supposed to win against Itachi without MS. But shounen usually favors the underdog in this type of scenario. Plot device and deus ex machina should be factored in this type of situation.
I think the 2nd option was supposed to be Manda, which he ended up using in the end.
But more importantly, Madara did state that Sasuke would surpass Itachi and that this would occur soon. That to me seems like a hint heavily indicating Sasuke will win sooner rather than later.
It does seem like Madara wants Sasuke to surpass Itachi while Itachi aims to surpass Madara. It should be interesting to see what Kishimoto comes up with. I personally don't think Sasuke is going to get his revenge, atleast not in the classic way of beating Itachi in a duel because thats really not a positive message.
I'll make a quick addition to my earlier post: basically Itachi has always been a cold, callous, murdering, monster, so why should a sinister laugh change any of that. His abilities may be far from normal and quite fun to watch, however he is a heartless murderer wanting only power for himself.
He said that Tsukiyomi was unbeatable and that only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him could defeat him. When Kakashi hinted that he had the MS Itachi was shocked and consider the feat to be impossible.
Therefore he never said that.
He was obviously very surprised when Kakashi hinted he had the MS but Itachi never said it was impossible for him to obtain the Mangekyo.
I know where it's derived from and I know that it gives Sasuke a power boost. Just the same, I doubt Kishomoto will use it as Sasuke's edge over Itachi when the other CS users have been defeated.
I don't know if the CS will be enough for Sasuke to beat Itachi, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough. Though I'm honestly hoping to god, Itachi just walks all over Sasuke to be honest. However, the cursed seal, was what helped Sasuke beat Naruto, finally at the valley of end, since just before that, Naruto proved to be superior, to Sasuke by, defeating foes Sasuke couldn't handle, and eventually beating on Sasuke some more when he went 1 tail fox further beating the snot out of him, until the CS2 gave Sasuke that tiny edge over Naruto to secure the victory.
It was also part of the difference maker in the Deidra fight too, since Sasuke litterly had to go all out, with everything he had, (Cursed seal, Sharingan, white snake powers, elemental superiority, and that stupid sword of his). And I don't know how much it mattered with Sasuke killing Orochimaru, since it was the sharingan that sealed the deal with Sasuke taking over Orochimaru's subconcious, but he did use it in that fight too. I wouldn't rule out the CS as a worthless buff that's just there to sound cool, while it didn't work out for the sound 5 it has helped Sasuke a bit.
It means the Mangekyo Sharingan has differents shapes depending of its user since Kakashi, Itachi, Madara and his brother all have different eyes when they use it.
Hmm. I might have been mistaken, I wrote what I wrote under the impression Madara and Itachi have the same eye pattern with his brother having the new pattern. On second reading, it might have been the other way around, but to the frank, I can't quite tell which is Madara. :p
Still, give every one a different pattern when they are all identical in function and abilities is kind of lame. :eyebrow:
Regarding how Sasuke is going to beat Itachi, the only way he is going to win (baring any deus ex machina) is he has some how manage to out skill his brother and makes full use of his brother's rather badly deteriorated eyesight.
I think Itachi is totally heartless. He is even worse then Orochimaru
I like Itatchi because despite his coldness, he is not vain but humble in most cases. He tells it how it is when fighting, watch episode 82 of Naruto if you need reminding. Despite his power he knows when he is at a disadvantage and retreats even. Although his general view of how he should live life ie. constntly seeking power is wrong but still. His battle mind impresses me. His phyco face doesnt change that lol
james0246
2008-02-02, 15:45
I think Itachi is totally heartless. He is even worse then Orochimaru
No, Itachi, and seemingly the entire Uchiha clan, is/are insane; Orochimaru is heartless. Orochimaru seemingly knew, at one point and time, the difference between right and wrong, and simply choose the wrong. Itachi, it can be argued, has always been insane and could then never have had a heart in which to be heartless. In other words, becuase Orochimaru choose to be evil, it can be said that he forsoke his heart becoming heartless. I am not sure if Itachi ever had a heart (well at least the metaphorical heart, I am sure he at least still has his physical heart...unless he needs to change that as well in order to receive the Eternal MS:))
I have always kind of thought of it as, to take it out of the world of Naruto for a minute, the difference between Lex Luthor and the Joker. The Joker is over-the-top insane with no truely undersatandable emotion or idea in his head. His descions are only understandable to himself, and to try and understand his motive is to incur insanity. Itachi is a little like this. On the other hand, Lex Luthor is brillant ordinary man that has simply choosen to perform monstrous actions in order to fulfil his own needs and desires. Orochimaru is much the same as Lex Luthor. (this is a surface layer analysis, of course, and to go deeper would probably break the comparison between the various individuals. I was only using it as a surface level analysis though, so there is no need to go further.)
True all could be called evil and heartless, but from a moralistic standpoint, Only Orochimaru have ever shown any indication that he knows or at least knew the difference between right and wrong, Itachi has never shown this. So, Itachi can not truly be called heartless or, when it gets right down to it, he can not even be called evil since he does not exist on the same moralistic plain as the other individuals within the series (i.e. Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto, etc.). In fact, it can be claimed that Sasuke is more 'evil' than Itachi. Rather Itachi can be described as an immoral or ammoral monster (you pick).
ShadowAssasin
2008-02-03, 13:32
Whats wrong with you people; that wasn't really itachi acting irratic; it was his feelings and inner intentions being interpreted by sauske's sharingan. Didn't you read the part when Itachi said "I take it you saw my true self clearly"? What do you think he means by "my true self"? And, what do you think that big monsters face with sharingan eyes were? (behind itachi) You guys need to read it again. Maybe once more after that.
Don't you realize their surroundings are different from when Itachi was shown yelling? He was using his sharingan like he did when he spoke to the nine tails fox. Work on your reading comprehension people.
What the author wanted to show us is Itachi's true inner self. Before this we only seen him calm and collective even in the most critical moments; however tihs is how the author wants to show us what he's hiding beyond that "cool" exterior. This is true even in real life; those people around you that you think are "quiet", are the ones you should really keep your eye on because you dont know what they're hiding. Like my favorite idiomatic expression "tip of the iceberg"; the small piece of ice you see floating on the water may be enormous under water; meaning dont always take things for face value.
Itachi might have never been of aware of mangekyou's blinding option,He might have just wanted power as every newbie youth clan member can..4-5 days after killing his friend he may have gone crazy with new sharingan's pain, somehow finding that there is a way to stop blinding like madara did, sparing sasuke in massacre just to let his sharingan grow?
Just a theory of mine -_- yet still a hope for me that Itachi is not just another mindless killing machine...yet
ShadowAssasin
2008-02-03, 14:06
yet still a hope for me that Itachi is not just another mindless killing machine...yet
He is far, far from a mindless killing machine. An example of a mindless killing machine is the four tailed kyubbi controling naruto. Itachi is a cold, calculating genius. Ever hear that phrase "crazy like a fox"?
He doesn't go around massacring people without reason or for his personal pleasure. I believe he had a practical (to him and madara apparently) reason as to why he wiped out the Uchiha clan. We've also seen him avoid fighting altogether because it was either "meaningless battle" to him ,or meant it would hinder him carrying out his mission efficiently.
He is far, far from a mindless killing machine. An example of a mindless killing machine is the four tailed kyubbi controling naruto. Itachi is a cold, calculating genius. Ever hear that phrase "crazy like a fox"?
He doesn't go around massacring people without reason or for his personal pleasure. I believe he had a practical (to him and madara apparently) reason as to why he wiped out the Uchiha clan. We've also seen him avoid fighting altogether because it was either "meaningless battle" to him ,or meant it would hinder him carrying out his mission efficiently.
the question is what will he do if he gains eternal ms.Go after kyuubi or be a secret-weapon servant of madara zombie :D If he rushes to go control kyuubi to destroy konoha and others with some random emotional reason then I'll %100 lose faith in Itachi (simple as destroy world stuff, since world in narutoverse is just a bunch of villages) but if he was just trying to prevent blinding all that time no matter what then this will make him one cold calculating genius and a much more deeper character.If he goes kyuubi-destroy-all he will be one confused mindless villain, if he goes Madara way he will be a servant/puppet (yet I doubt that since he sees Madara as an empty shell, we can even say that he pity him) or he can just go on his own way, now that he survived mangekyou blinding and sasuke...time will tell
ShadowAssasin
2008-02-03, 16:21
the question is what will he do if he gains eternal ms.Go after kyuubi or be a secret-weapon servant of madara zombie :D If he rushes to go control kyuubi to destroy konoha and others with some random emotional reason then I'll %100 lose faith in Itachi (simple as destroy world stuff, since world in narutoverse is just a bunch of villages) but if he was just trying to prevent blinding all that time no matter what then this will make him one cold calculating genius and a much more deeper character.If he goes kyuubi-destroy-all he will be one confused mindless villain, if he goes Madara way he will be a servant/puppet (yet I doubt that since he sees Madara as an empty shell, we can even say that he pity him) or he can just go on his own way, now that he survived mangekyou blinding and sasuke...time will tell
Well I'm pretty much certain he wont attain sauske's eyes, but if he did, I'd imagine he'd most likely try to gain control of akasuki and carry on their agenda with him as the head of the organization. Considering his disposition throughout the entire series up unil now, there is no reason to belive he would suddenly become the cliche crazed villian that simply wants to destroy the leaf village. (in fact I don't even think there is any indication that destroying the leaf village is even in his agenda? am i wrong?) I believe he wants to be how Madara *used* to be in his prime(assuming he really is a shell of his former self), and be head of a powerful ninja organization. So, if he *did* attain Sauske's eyes my guess is that he would likely kill Madara and take over, or somehow start his own ninja organization. I think its obvious why he wouldn't become a servant/apprentice of madara any longer... He said so in the manga.
He wont get Sauske's eyes anyway lol.
(btw, if destroying the leaf village *is* in his agenda I don't think its anything personal, like it would be to Orochimaru. It would likely be part of a larger goal)
Endrance
2008-02-03, 19:59
I agree that Itachi is smart but i also think that he's a little crazed in his desperation to stop his eventual blindness
Itachi might have never been of aware of mangekyou's blinding option,He might have just wanted power as every newbie youth clan member can..4-5 days after killing his friend he may have gone crazy with new sharingan's pain, somehow finding that there is a way to stop blinding like madara did, sparing sasuke in massacre just to let his sharingan grow?
Just a theory of mine -_- yet still a hope for me that Itachi is not just another mindless killing machine...yet
That or Madara told him the whole story, and the whole kill your own clan but spare you brother for his eyes was planned out by them.
Jechtsphere
2008-02-05, 01:28
I like him more, I didn't think he was Psychotic at first but now we know his head isn't right lol
BlackDove
2008-04-11, 21:04
So... since this is a manga thread, I assume you've read the latest.
A good guy. That's the twist I was waiting for. I somehow knew all along he'd be the good guy. Hope when Madara starts spilling everything it turns that way.
Fipskuul
2008-04-11, 21:21
This thread needs an update in the opening post, or the version 2 of it needs to be posted in another thread while burying this one for good.
reloaded
2008-04-11, 21:22
From the last chapter im now confused as to why he joined Akatsuki.
Fipskuul
2008-04-11, 21:27
Knowing Madara's intentions and Akatsuki's goals, Akatsuki might be the only place where he can keep Madara under control and protect Konoha by getting assigned for the Akatsuki's Konoha-related duties.
Nintendo
2008-04-11, 22:33
itachi, a hero.
itachi, a hero.
Yup. One of the greatest heros in the manga. And as we find out more he will become our new Yondaime. I mean , f*ck the Uchihas are all Hokage lvl now lol.
james0246
2008-04-11, 22:41
Yup. One of the greatest heros in the manga. And as we find out more he will become our new Yondaime. I mean , f*ck the Uchihas are all Hokage lvl now lol.
Well obviously not all of them or they wouldn't have been reduced to police officers in a ninja village. Additionally, they would not all be dead now, if they were really all Hokage level.
edit:....oh wait, sorry, you were being sarcastic, my bad.
HikariYume
2008-04-12, 01:55
Ahh...Itachi. I really dont like him anymore. I mean...so many chapters of Sasuke abuse and I find out that it was all just to find out that Itachi wanted to protect the little s.o.b? 'the crap....
Schuyler
2008-04-12, 03:24
How the hell you kill your clan and parents to save the world and your brother BS.
Ero-Senn1n
2008-04-12, 05:49
How the hell you kill your clan and parents to save the world and your brother BS.
If you didn't notice: Uchiha are the strongest in mental techniques, they are the strongest in making you believe something that's not true. They are the masters of illusion. It's natural that their story should contain heavy amounts of illusions for us. Never trust what you have seen on the manga pages about Uchiha, it may turn out that the reality is the opposite :D
Last of the Uchihas
2008-04-12, 10:29
lol Itachi punk everyone at the end.
ShadowAssasin
2008-04-15, 18:42
He's still a legend.
HikariYume
2008-04-15, 19:17
A legend...but a retarded one :P
ShadowAssasin
2008-04-15, 21:24
I think its "retarded" to state nonsense without knowing whats going on in the story...
Last of the Uchihas
2008-04-15, 22:50
Itachi the hero. sounds good.
Endrance
2008-04-16, 01:58
I wanna buy the whole Itachi as a good guy thing but it just destroys my whole image of him.....I dunno it just bugs me a little
Fipskuul
2008-04-16, 03:59
Two different events suggesting different characters took place in the course of a few weeks and a few chapters. People responding negative to one are expected to respond positively to the other, vice versa, and exceptions are surely possible. Each vote will ridicule the poll results a bit more. Hopefully we can reach the point of no sense as soon as possible...
KyuubiRocks
2008-04-16, 08:58
I really didn't have a problem with him..It's his brother that bugs me....aarrrrrrr..
filthydani
2008-04-16, 09:12
If itach is a good guy who wants to protect konha, why didnt he stop orochimaru when he killed the 3rd hockage???
Slave0fLife
2008-04-16, 11:06
Like him just as before. Actually, I don't remember who made the comment first, but ever since I read someone stress that Itachi hadn't killed anyone for sure, I have thought that he might have had a good-guy motive for doing everything. And even now I still think so, because it is (as I stated in other posts) something that will surprise most people who don't think about the manga too much to notice that Itachi wasn't shown killing anyone.
james0246
2008-04-16, 12:10
Like him just as before. Actually, I don't remember who made the comment first, but ever since I read someone stress that Itachi hadn't killed anyone for sure, I have thought that he might have had a good-guy motive for doing everything. And even now I still think so, because it is (as I stated in other posts) something that will surprise most people who don't think about the manga too much to notice that Itachi wasn't shown killing anyone.
I never really understood the difference. On one hand, he seemingly has slain no "friendly" or presumably even "foe", on the other hand he is a member of a secret deadly cult/group bent on world domination. It is like saying I am a member of the Ku Klux Klan or Al Queda, but I haven't actually killed anyone yet. No matter what you are still guilty of associating with many mass murders. It just makes no sense to me.
That is why I liked the "Steal Your Eyes" storyline. If that is as "good" as Itachi gets, then I will be content in calling him "good" :).
Slave0fLife
2008-04-16, 13:39
The difference I see is that he didn't kill any of his Konoha companions, at least for sure, that we know, even when he could have. If he was good, and a spy that infiltrated Akatsuki, he managed to keep them believing he was a bad-guy without killing people, so that he continued doing whatever he had to do spying Akatsuki.
It would be like, you decide to be a spy to end an organization which endangers your own, but the only way to do that is joining it to understand it better. To do this and fool anyone, you come up with a way to convince everyone that you did something which makes you earn the right to join the threat. You would be considered a traitor, but your motives are enough for you to take the criticism since your a badass and have the power to avoid any attack on yourself (or at least that you know of). Doing that, you manage to not-kill anyone from your organization even when they confront you, and maintaining your bad-guy image.
This, at least for me, would make you a good guy which is pretty skilled in fooling people, to convince and maintain a bad-guy image, so that you could fulfill your objective - in this case I'm considering the good-guy-Itachi theory, which I know may only be a lie, but we are still speculating here :)
lol...just how big was the organization when itachi joined...pretty sure it was just made up of Madara xD and maybe Zetsu...
james0246
2008-04-16, 13:44
@Slave0fLife: If he is an undercover agent, then I would gladly revise my opinion. But, we will have to wait for the newest chapters to determine that speculation. Right now he is like a member of Al Queda that simply hasn't killed anyone yet (that we know of), and he will stay that way until proven otherwise. I am not out-right disagreeing with you, I am simply saying we need to wait a for a bit more information to firmly decided or even firmly speculate his stance.
Slave0fLife
2008-04-16, 17:12
@james3wk
I understand you aren't arguing agressively against me. I, also, believe that we need more information before we can say what really happened. Especially because the only thing that makes me think Itachi was a martyr is the expectation of a plot twist a-la-hollywood/shounen, which may or may not happen. Therefore, it's just a "gut feeling" with absolutely no factual base, for now :D
HikariYume
2008-04-16, 21:19
I think its "retarded" to state nonsense without knowing whats going on in the story...
Y'know what? Who asked you, anyway? I think it's "retarded" when you try to go back and forth so much...sheesh. I read the manga. I know whats going on.
ShadowAssasin
2008-04-16, 22:38
Y'know what? Who asked you, anyway?
I think it's "retarded" when you try to go back and forth so much...sheesh.
lol, who asked you to comment on what I said in the first place? *You're* the one who decided to commented on my post first...
He's still a legend.
A legend...but a retarded one :P
I read the manga. I know whats going on.
Actually no one knows whats going on; not until Itachi's actions are explained...
Kyero Fox
2008-04-17, 11:02
He was blammed for destroying his clan and used that to have sasuke grow stronger to defeat madaura w.e (the real killer)
He's badass, but if his past is revealed...it'll destroy every reason why anyone likes him...=(
james0246
2008-04-17, 14:06
He's badass, but if his past is revealed...it'll destroy every reason why anyone likes him...=(
Not necessarily. True, he could come across as something of a Gigantic Pussy (I mean truly epic in its proportions, like the size of the Empire State building or something), but then again, he could be even more badass than originally thought (like 1980s Chuck Norris). It is all up to Kishimoto to decide, though I tend to think that Kishimoto is going to lean toward Pussydom
Khalilnaruske
2008-04-18, 09:29
We will probably find out he was Madaras pet. Itachi, you ar such a sissy.
ShadowAssasin
2008-04-18, 10:20
lol omg you can't be serious... I'm reading people talk shit about Itachi now, because he might turn out to be the typical "good guy" that everyone else talked sh*t about Sasuke for NOT being...
And, I guess everyone in Akatsuki is a sissy; as well as everyone in the leaf village since just about everyone there is/was someone's apprentice or subordinate.
he could come across as something of a Gigantic Pussy (I mean truly epic in its proportions, like the size of the Empire State building or something)
Can you elaborate on this? Particularly "how" exactly...
Khalilnaruske
2008-04-18, 14:32
And, I guess everyone in Akatsuki is a sissy; as well as everyone in the leaf village since just about everyone there is/was someone's apprentice or subordinate.
If that is one of the definitions of a sissy then yes, everyone who has been introduced in Naruto so far is sissy. This would make Itachi a sissy in an organization full of sissys trying to take over a world of sissys. The tailed beasts are the only living creatures who are not part of the sissydom.
If that is one of the definitions of a sissy then yes, everyone who has been introduced in Naruto so far is sissy. This would make Itachi a sissy in an organization full of sissys trying to take over a world of sissys. The tailed beasts are the only living creatures who are not part of the sissydom.
even tailed beasts may be sissy beasts if they were created by sissy nins of sissy village of konoha...dark sissy secrets of sissy village konoha...
ps. village people were originally konoha nins but they abandoned the village and made albums.
james0246
2008-04-18, 15:59
Can you elaborate on this? Particularly "how" exactly...
LOL, I was joking more than anything else. But, if you want me to speculate, he can have a Naruto moment...you know one of the moments where Naruto just starts blubbering and crying think wet tears (it happened a few time in Part I, thankfully it has not happened since.) Only in Itachi's case it will be for Sasuke (actually at least one of Naruto's blubbering moments was also in regards to Sasuke (thankfully with less tears).
Again, I was mostly joking, so try not to take my comments seriously, in regards to Itachi. I have a lot of respect (well not respect, but...fondness maybe) for Itachi. And while I fell he meet a slightly under-developed end, I still like the guy (in fact I liked him more when he was actively trying to take Sasuke's eyes :)).
okay,the uchiha clan is mean,but its gown now.
Dear kishimoto,
If u are reading this, pls bring itachi back to life. Since we didnt see his head being seperated from his freaking body, I am sure he can be brought back to life.
Psycho-paths seeking god mode is really cool.
Last of the Uchihas
2008-04-24, 14:15
Itachi won an oscar for his performance.
HiroInazuma
2008-04-24, 16:26
Itachi didn't die he simply faked having his heart burst and was just sleeping so he can get closer to Madara
if it was an order and if he is not evil and was doing it to protect his little brother and if in the last moments of his life he showed ni-chan all of his techniques as well as how they work and than gave up his life while giving ni-chan his own/how to use Amaterasu than i won't have to call on a globel uprising against KM and i have to cancel all the rallies as well as put the shrine back together...................lol
i'm so glad that Itachi Uchiha (my fav character) was not a cliche..
if it was an order and if he is not evil and was doing it to protect his little brother and if in the last moments of his life he showed ni-chan all of his techniques as well as how they work and than gave up his life while giving ni-chan his own/how to use Amaterasu than i won't have to call on a globel uprising against KM and i have to cancel all the rallies as well as put the shrine back together...................lol
i'm so glad that Itachi Uchiha (my fav character) was not a cliche..
He didn't pass all his techniques, he passed a one-go Amaterasu. Sasuke met Tobi's sharingan again this chapter and there wasn't any Amaterasu.
james0246
2008-04-25, 15:11
He didn't pass all his techniques, he passed a one-go Amaterasu. Sasuke met Tobi's sharingan again this chapter and there wasn't any Amaterasu.
Actually, just to clarify, Madara said Itachi transferred all of his eye techniques to Sasuke (Ch 397, pg 11). Amaterasu is the only one that was triggered as a fail-safe, though.
Actually, just to clarify, Madara said Itachi transferred all of his eye techniques to Sasuke (Ch 397, pg 11). Amaterasu is the only one that was triggered as a fail-safe, though.
On MH, there is only one translation saying Sasuke got specifically the 3 jutsus. The other translation are all vague and use the word power rather than jutsu.
Madara: In his last moments, he implanted his own eye power into you for your sake.
Tobi: Somehow, at the last second, he transferred all his eye techniques into you.
Tobi: In his last moments... for your own sake, he channelled the power of his own eyes into you.
Lastly.... he had put his eye power into you for your sake.
I don't think Sasuke got the 3 techniques. It was more a desperate act to get a last shot at Madara than something planned ahead I think.
james0246
2008-04-25, 15:33
On MH, there is only one translation saying Sasuke got specifically the 3 jutsus. The other translation are all vague and use the word power rather than jutsu.
Madara: In his last moments, he implanted his own eye power into you for your sake.
Tobi: Somehow, at the last second, he transferred all his eye techniques into you.
Tobi: In his last moments... for your own sake, he channelled the power of his own eyes into you.
Lastly.... he had put his eye power into you for your sake.
I don't think Sasuke got the 3 techniques. It was more a desperate act to get a last shot at Madara than something planned ahead I think.
LOL, as I am sure you know, I try to read the raws (or the raw text), and then translate myself (judging by the fact that you had to correct me a day ago due to my bad source, you know I can wrong :)). So, I got the "all techniques" from my translation. But, I fully admit that I am not expert on the Japanese language (I am barely College level :)), so the other translation you mention could all be correct, in fact I admit it makes more sense that Sasuke have just Amaterasu rather than all. But, in the end, it will have to be something we wait and find out about.
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EDIT: I went back over the chapter agains, and I see where I confused my self, the kanji 力 I read as ちから (which is the more common usage) which can mean abilities (in the sentence), but in reality Kishimoto was using りょく which means a specific strength/power. The translation does not state that he only has one MS technique, rather it is more ambiguous, as you mention in the other translations.
its funny how this thread is named What do you think of itachi NOW cause ever since sasuke vs itachi something has happen to change my opinion of itachi every week. before he fought sasuke he was kool bad guy. then during fight he was a psychopath after little brother's eye. and i came to accept it as the truth as sasuke saw his inner self and saw a demon. then after the fight I thought he was stupid cause he died before he could do anything. then i thought he was a good guy after all because tobi said it was to protect sasuke from madara. right now i don't know what to think
What do I think of itachi now?...
The same as I always have... robotic, cold, calculating.
Last of the Uchihas
2008-04-25, 19:16
Itachi, the greatest hero in history. sounds good
james0246
2008-04-25, 19:36
Itachi, the greatest hero in history. sounds good
LOL, just LOL.
I wanna buy the whole Itachi as a good guy thing but it just destroys my whole image of him.....I dunno it just bugs me a little
Weird, it fits perfectly with me. I think he even helped kakashi.
The part where kurenai vs itachi in konoha. He just stood there while kurenai did the branch thing and was gonna kill him, and suddenly, they switch places. Kurenai was just trapped and itachi juz looked at her, nt doing anything.
That says alot and i am sure if he wanted to, he could have killed kakashi at konoha then via amaterasu or something rather than use tsuyokomi on kakashi, further hinting to kakashi that his sharingan was weak and needed strengthening. Kakashi then went on to strengthen his sharingan.
Its almost like he was helping kakashi
He was also really slack when he met with naruto. The fish guy and itachi could probably juz take naruto with them quickly and forcefully since jiraiya was away, and they had time. Fish guy suggested cutting naruto's limbs lol.
There is really nthg wrong with the twist.
And i think itachi is alive. ---> the clam guy did say that itachi didnt seem like he was at a 100% during the fight ---> possible clone fighting,etc. And he fked his susano and died? I doubt it. Probably a fake itachi body but real itachi is away.
How the hell you kill your clan and parents to save the world and your brother BS.
I think u lack vision my fren. To kill for good is fine. Do u watch deathnote?
Itachi, the greatest hero in history. sounds good
If you kill a person, you maybe a HUMAN
If you kill many, you are a psycho
If you kill all your rivals you are a leader (History : Mao)
If you vanquish most of the peons you are a conquerer (History : Aleric)
If you kill in millions, you are a LEGEND (History:Alexander,Caesar,Napoleon,Genghis)
Itachi- not quiet there yet, Madara tops it all in naruto world.
james0246
2008-04-26, 02:38
Itachi- not quiet there yet, Madara tops it all in naruto world.
LOL, Wouldn't that make the Kyuubi the greatest hero to have ever walked the Earth (just judging by amount of deaths that can be laid at its feet) :).
LOL, Wouldn't that make the Kyuubi the greatest hero to have ever walked the Earth (just judging by amount of deaths that can be laid at its feet) :).
Nah...kyuubi never wanted to play god/hero game with stinky humans. If he wished he could always play Condensed-chakra ball together with naruto. Damn those jealousy uchiha's.
I bet if we release kyuubi he would rather run far away from konoha/uchiha's maybe to meet his family. I wonder if he have a taste similar to gamabunta or his taste coincides with the uchiha's regarding the family life.
HiroInazuma
2008-04-26, 05:30
Nah...kyuubi never wanted to play god/hero game with stinky humans. If he wished he could always play Condensed-chakra ball together with naruto. Damn those jealousy uchiha's.
I bet if we release kyuubi he would rather run far away from konoha/uchiha's maybe to meet his family. I wonder if he have a taste similar to gamabunta or his taste coincides with the uchiha's regarding the family life.
I just thought of Madara picking up a tree and throwing it yards then telling the kyuubi to fetch
Before:
http://tn1-1.pv.deviantart.com/fs13/150/f/2007/063/1/5/naruto_and____chibi_kyuubi_0_0_by_lainchan.jpg
After:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb123/BigTonyMil/Kyuubi.jpg
I say Itachi just got more interesting after chapter 398
james0246
2008-04-27, 16:39
I wasn't sure where to put my question, so I decided to put it here.
Have the recent chapters shown that Itachi is a supporter of Naruto's/Haku's Nindo? Specifically, that supporting others is what a Shinobi should do, and when you protect a 'precious' person you can become stronger.
Specifically, is Itachi so strong because he is protecting Sasuke?
ShadowAssasin
2008-04-28, 19:14
I say Itachi just got more interesting after chapter 398
So do I. I think its funny how people are showing resentment towards him because his character has "good guy" qualities while people are showing resentment towards sasuke for having "bad guy" qualities - the very qualities many fans loved Itachi for possessing in the first place.
demon espio
2008-04-29, 01:34
i like him even more i think he was a great ninja for planning tht far ahead. and his methods to stop people talking about him.even if it didnt work
actually killing his clan in a mission must of been great sacrifice my only regret is he didn't take sasukes eyes sooner thn just finish is mission
mellomarie
2008-04-29, 12:18
LOL, I was always one of those insane fangirls who truly thought he was good, so the recent chapter was just icing on the cake. MY INSANITIES REIGN TRUE. Anyway, I was mostly happy about how the relationship between him and Sasuke is actually true in all it's adorable goodness. I is very happy.
The latest events have definitely changed my opinion of Itachi. Whether it changed for the better or worse remains a mystery because it's still too early for me to say. As as a side note, his fight against Sasuke was pretty "meh". I guess after building it up for sooo long, it brought my expectations up as well.
Endrance
2008-05-01, 23:33
I dunno what to think of him now honestly kishi is driving me nuts on this one
Kittycountess
2008-05-02, 12:30
I don't' quite know what to make of the latest development regarding Itachi. After Orochimaru going poof I felt a big need in the series for a truly strong evil guy and since Pein was just a shadow (still is to me, what with not knowing whether he's one person or 6 or 24 or...,) and Madara was,...well, still Tobi, I figured that crown would go to Itachi. But now Itachi too is turning out to be something else and while I like my characters with many different angles, I am once again at a loss for a bad guy. Granted Madara seems to be heading that way but we know so little about him , I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the line some other bloke sat down Sasuke (or Naruto, or Sakura, or Pakun) and said, "Let me tell you the truth about Madara..."
I dont get why its so hard to figure that itachi could be a good guy.
Didnt any remember the part where itachi's clone defeated naruto and he just let naruto go??
Doesnt that strike u as odd at all?.
And just to add, if u go back to the part where itachi and kisame fought kakashi,kurenai,asuma and kakashi.
After itachi used tsuyikomi on kakashi, kakashi specifically said "why didnt itachi kill me?, he could if he wanted to".
And yes, i juz re-watched it to realise this. Looks like they planned the storyline long ago.
james0246
2008-05-05, 03:18
I think I finally realize why I do not like the thought of Itachi being a "good" guy, or at least a person trying to protect his brother: It is almost exactly like what J.K. Rowling did between Snape and Harry Potter. Snape acted (or was) a villianous character that often did questionable things that could have directly or indirectly lead to Harry Potter's confinement/protection (i.e. expelling Harry would have kept Harry safe, etc.). And now we find out that Itachi has done many awful things to Sasuke to keep him safe (somehow).
Obviously this is a very loose comparison right now, and I hope that it never becomes a full comparrison, but if it does...well it did not work for J.K. Rowling, so I doubt it will work for Kishimoto Masashi :).
(I should mention that I am partially being sarcastic.)
Ero-Senn1n
2008-05-05, 12:23
Obviously this is a very loose comparison right now, and I hope that it never becomes a full comparrison, but if it does...well it did not work for J.K. Rowling, so I doubt it will work for Kishimoto Masashi :).
(I should mention that I am partially being sarcastic.)
Why didn't it work for Rowling? She sells huge amount of her books. Maybe it's better to say that you didn't like the idea. But it's not like this idea was created by these authors, it existed before them, and is based on real life, where such things happen, just not to this extreme extent. For example if you look at many young sportsmen/women, or i should say children, they were beaten every day by their trainer but they finally won gold medals. Currently the chinese olimpic team has probably many such people, many of them children (under 18). Well, what Itachi did was beat the shit out of Sasuke to make him want to become stronger and finally win the most important fight of his life, probably Itachi planned for a Sasuke vs Madara, both having the MS of course. There needs to such inhuman intensity of the training to achieve big results with children, that's the sad truth.
Kittycountess
2008-05-05, 12:35
Why didn't it work for Rowling? She sells huge amount of her books. Maybe it's better to say that you didn't like the idea. But it's not like this idea was created by these authors, it existed before them, and is based on real life, where such things happen, just not to this extreme extent.
Look at:
(I should mention that I am partially being sarcastic.)
I think you'll get what s/he means.;)
I'm glad I read this thread. I'm writing a book and I was so tempted to use the same plot device (i.e. good guy acting evil turning out to be good guy after his death.) Now I won't bother as it is obviously overdone.
james0246
2008-05-05, 12:46
Why didn't it work for Rowling? She sells huge amount of her books. Maybe it's better to say that you didn't like the idea. But it's not like this idea was created by these authors, it existed before them, and is based on real life, where such things happen, just not to this extreme extent. For example if you look at many young sportsmen/women, or i should say children, they were beaten every day by their trainer but they finally won gold medals. Currently the chinese olimpic team has probably many such people, many of them children (under 18). Well, what Itachi did was beat the shit out of Sasuke to make him want to become stronger and finally win the most important fight of his life, probably Itachi planned for a Sasuke vs Madara, both having the MS of course. There needs to such inhuman intensity of the training to achieve big results with children, that's the sad truth.
I was partially being sarcastic. But, even if I was not, I was talking more about the fact that a similiar situation was just used a year ago in a far more popular book/series, and now Kishimoto is seemingly using the exact same plot device. In fact he is even using the same mechanism (i.e. a flashback) to explore the character development. Whether or not it is believable is up to the reader (I personally did not find Snape's change believable, and I am waiting to hear all of the Uchiha past before I question the believability of Itachi's twist.)
~ Lawliet ~
2008-05-05, 18:30
My opinion has not altered much from recently revealed information, Itachi is win.
Aimingan12
2008-05-27, 23:19
I dont hate now and never hated him before,I agree he is being a bit of a physcho but I like him better than Sasuke.
In the past Sasuke always thought of himself as a weakling and that made me dislike him from the start.
HiroInazuma
2008-05-27, 23:46
Greatest actor on EARTH!!! He screwed Sasuke over like it was nothing
Aimingan12
2008-05-28, 15:01
Greatest actor on EARTH!!! He screwed Sasuke over like it was nothing
That is something I strongly agree to.
Itachi...........................................g ay!!!
Noone likes an ass-kisser
Khalilnaruske
2008-05-28, 18:23
What do I think of the Great Uchiha Itachi now? I think he is dead. He is no longer an Uchiha, he is corpse. He is no longer a genius, he is a rotting corpse.
mrsticky005
2008-05-29, 15:56
Can your redo this poll because I'm sure lots of people changed their minds once more due to the recent chapters
symbiotes_021
2008-06-01, 20:40
Yeah. I take back what I said before cause I kinda like and pity him now.
He's just bein' psycho and crazy just for his lil' bro.
But that darn Sasuke wants to destroy Konoha. Gah!!
mrsticky005
2008-06-04, 17:52
yeah same here
Aimingan12
2008-06-06, 09:06
What I meant was that I dont like Sasuke that much anymore,Itachi is better.
NextTime
2008-06-06, 18:36
In terms of linking him because being so strong he is cool, I like him more. Recent revelations seem to make Itatchi one of the strongest characters ever.
I'm not sure what to think of his character now. His plan seems a little messed up. If he wanted to make Sasuke into a strong, good person, he shouldn't have told him to get stronger with hate, and shouldn't have had him get better by training with the likes of Orochimaru. After all, Itatchi didn't do that, and he was way, way, way ahead of Sasuke at comparative ages.
His plan to make Sasuke strong and to make him a hero seem like they are in total conflict. I'm going to overlook that though just because I like the idea of him putting himself through so much sacrifice just to make Sasuke better.
NextTime
2008-06-06, 18:38
What I meant was that I dont like Sasuke that much anymore,Itachi is better.
I agree. I wonder what Itatchi could have accomplished if he just thought of himself instead of sacrificing everything for Sasuke.
kk2extreme
2008-06-06, 23:14
itachi is not just kool but also very stylish.
he wore his head band
sideway
truly gangsta. :D
there only a few ninjas knows how to wear a head band in good fashion, e.g. Zabuza, kakashi :D
makino88
2008-06-07, 04:01
At least we r given more about Itachi's characters and motives and other stuff. I used to hate him for killing off his entire clan though.
Hiraishin
2008-06-14, 15:37
There was always something about Itachi which made me think that there was a lot more to his character than just killing his clan to 'measure his capacity'. There was obviously a deeper motive for killing the clan while sparing his little brother for no particular reason. His character was obviously more complex than that. It showed because despite having numerous opportunities to kill Sasuke, he never did.
Also, the contempt he showed Sasuke and the brutal ways he dealt with him always seemed a little weird. If you look at the emotionless way he fought the rest of his opponents, his interactions with Sasuke were always a bit off. I thought at first that it could be that he was disgusted with Sasuke for acting so foolishly around him, but that didn't fit. It was also strange that every time he met his younger brother, Sasuke came out of the encounter with an incentive to become stronger. Of course, it could've been that Itachi wanted him to be as strong as possible so that he could 'truly measure his capacity', but that clashed with my opinions of his character being more complex than that, so (for me) that didn't fit either.
I'm not gonna pretend that I knew what was coming though. That would just be stupid of me as there were too many facts which were only revealed after his motivations came to light for me to say that I knew that was what was going to happen. I was relieved though that the whole Itachi wanting Sasuke's eyes thing wasn't true, 'cause that would've made him a lot less awesome then he is now. Overall, I'm glad that the person Itachi really was made him even cooler than before, I think it's just brilliant that he could tell Danzou that if he touched Sasuke he would kill him. I have to say that Itachi is now my favourite Naruto character.
sasuke2007
2008-06-16, 11:29
mmm i think itachi is 1 of the narutoverse's gods
he planned so much...even plannin on future events even tho he's dead (givin naruto power sayin hope the day duznt cum wer he has to use it)
like the 4th, jiraiya states he duznt do things without a reason (sealing fox in naruto)
itachi is great, jus like the 4th!
now its sasuke to become great like itachi and naruto to become great like the 4th
Kishimyu
2008-06-17, 20:07
hmmm....Itachi is someone who will do anything he has to, to protect those he loves and cares about, Sasuke and Konohagakure; makes me respect the character a little more
oompa loompa
2008-06-20, 11:42
to me, itachi has started bearing an extremely strong resemblence to snape :)
I've always thought it was wierd on how Itachi finished off his clan by himself and how he couldn't kill his brother, and somehow I knew that he really did cherish Sasuke... T_T So sad that he had to die though! He was really a great big brother('cept for the killing the family part -__-") still...
I'll miss him!
Oh and I've grown to like him even more. Such a tragic ending for him though, and Sasuke's so gay, I friggin hate him now.
(Fan gurls, don't kill me!)
horsdhaleine
2008-07-17, 10:42
itachi? he's growing on me hahaha
i think that he should just come out the closet and tell kisame hes a stupid wanna be fish man and that hes in love with sasuke.
poor sasuke all he wants to do is kill itachi not go out with him........oh the irony
HiroInazuma
2008-08-13, 13:49
i think that he should just come out the closet and tell kisame hes a stupid wanna be fish man and that hes in love with sasuke.
poor sasuke all he wants to do is kill itachi not go out with him........oh the irony
This is a nonsense post, it makes no sense, what is your point? Also Sasuke already killed him
Itachi has got to be the most badass character in Naruto. Kakashi and the Fourth are just runner-ups. He's badass because he just reeks of it. After this frustrating revelation, my opinion still didn't change. I just felt like the sudden reversal of all Itachi's actions through Sasuke's memories were a bit forced and I can't keep suspecting that Kishi just recently decided to suddenly make Itachi a good guy to make Sasuke attack Konoha---more reasons to stir the fans. But I dunno...
Now that Itachi's gone, Naruto's level of suckiness just went up by a few points. =__=
ronin myael
2008-11-15, 04:01
Ever since Kishimoto introduced Itachi, I’ve always found his character appealing. Not because he was such a bad-ass with an evolved sharingan but because he supposedly massacred his whole family. But instead of focusing on the negativity of his actions, I was more intrigued in the reason why he did it. I never, for one second, believed that he did it out of spite or just to acquire power. Based on Sasuke’s memories of him, he was a loving brother and an obedient son. He carried on his shoulders all the hopes and pride of the Uchiha clan. They probably thought of him as their “savior”, the one who would restore the once greatness of the Uchiha and perhaps give them the ultimate power in Konoha which they so greatly desired. It would be no surprise if they secretly wanted Itachi to eventually succeed Sarutobi as the godaime. From the time he was born, they knew he was special, far more special than perhaps Sasuke or any other Uchiha for that matter. What he did seemed out of character and it had always confused me. But now it all makes sense.
I’ve always suspected that there was a deeper reason for his actions, something far more sinister that just a boy’s twisted ideals. I used to have this theory that perhaps Itachi had suffered a horrific ordeal that eventually messed up his sanity. He was an ANBU commander at 13, who knows what kind of secret missions he was sent into. Another theory is one that involves Orochimaru. Orochimaru never denied that he first desired to take Itachi’s body and he would have done so if Itachi had not grown too powerful for him. I think he never meant to say that he is no match for Itachi but rather he feared that he would be of no match to him if he tried to fight him. I thought that perhaps Orochimaru’s constant shadowing of Itachi might have taken its toll on him or something. It’s possible that ever since Orochimaru met Madara and discovered the sharingan’s true ability, he had wanted it. And since then, he had hunted for the perfect Uchiha in case he succeeds in perfecting his “immortality” jutsu.
If that theory had been true, it would have been doubly ironic for Sasuke. Imagine, he hated his brother for most of his life. He swore to grow powerful so he could kill him. He practically threw away his life and his friends. He went to Orochimaru seeking power only to find out that the reason for his and his brother’s pain had been Orochimaru all along, the very person he ran to for help. Poor, stupid Sasuke! I still think he should have at least bothered to discover the real reason why his brother did what he did before crying revenge.
It’s a shame really, if the Uchihas hadn’t plotted against the village or harbored any ill will towards the Senjus, perhaps Itachi had grown up to be a strong candidate for the godaime if not the godaime himself. He was a peace-loving person like the sandaime and Sarutobi believed in him. His life and death was a huge waste, what a waste of a good character!
OtseisRagnarok
2008-11-18, 20:01
I liked him more when I thought he was "just another psycho." Yo9u know, it's rare to find a major villan out to do things simply for the sake of doing things. Now that we've discovered his true motives, I'm more than just a little disappointed. He went from a random badass in-charge of his own destiny to being just another tool. It made me sad. And after the revelations, it made me really pissed at sasuke and the third hokage.
Josh Uzumaki
2008-11-26, 07:39
he is aninja legend
such a tragi hero
thefrozendandelion
2008-12-25, 05:09
I have been liking him since the very beginning though he used to play the role as a badass..
Now i like him even more.. He was willing to massacre his own clan for the sake of the village.. He must have been in a lot of misery yet he couldn't tell anyone about it.. He should be a hero, the savior of the village but b'coz of those stupid elders, the villagers see him as a traitor, a detestable villain..He had tried to do all he could to keep sasuke safe and played the badass role till the very last second of his life..Making sasuke hate him while he actually loved and cared for his lil bro.. That must be painful ..
Kallen4life
2008-12-25, 06:05
I liked him more when I thought he was "just another psycho." Yo9u know, it's rare to find a major villan out to do things simply for the sake of doing things. Now that we've discovered his true motives, I'm more than just a little disappointed. He went from a random badass in-charge of his own destiny to being just another tool. It made me sad. And after the revelations, it made me really pissed at sasuke and the third hokage.
ninja are tools :( .. always were
Kishimyu
2008-12-25, 12:23
I think it is unfortuante that Itachi died, but he had planned his death ever since the day he killed his own clan; but if you look back Itachi has left a few things to the future caretakers of Kanoha, esspecially Naruto and Sasuke
Kallen4life
2008-12-25, 13:03
right, cuz Sasuke is so good @ taking care of someone /sarcasm off :)
thefrozendandelion
2008-12-26, 09:39
I hated sasuke for being so stupid and keep harping on that he's an avenger.. That really pissed me off
OtseisRagnarok
2008-12-26, 12:44
Again, I liked it when Itachi seemed to have a will of his own. When he seemed to have something greater behind his actions. When he had a brain. Now, he's useless. Can't stand him because of the sheer level of disappointment I have everytime I think of him.
RDFMASTER
2008-12-27, 02:28
No Matter Of Itachi Thinking ...I'm With Him..
I Like Him Even More.. :)
I'm with you itachi rock :) bad luck he have to died :( I hate sasuke :frustrated:
im still not buying the story Kishi fed us it's not very convincing.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-27, 02:54
Itachi is the greatest hero in the Narutoverse. More than anyone, he has allowed reason to prevail. A true hero, who did everything possible to keep up peace. He lost face to the ninja world. He's the most important hero of his era and he's died a silent death and if Sasuke doesn't come to reason, he'll probably destroy what Itachi gave his life for.
May he rest in peace. The saviour of peace, the Jesus of the Narutoverse.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-27, 02:54
Even so it has to be true. I mean he killed his entire clan. Whom of course now you know, he loved. No one could possibly understand the sorrow he must've felt after that. He had to have planned his death for Sasuke. Plus, Madara hinted at it in the anime in the first place.
Itachi is the greatest hero in the Narutoverse. More than anyone, he has allowed reason to prevail. A true hero, who did everything possible to keep up peace. He lost face to the ninja world. He's the most important hero of his era and he's died a silent death and if Sasuke doesn't come to reason, he'll probably destroy what Itachi gave his life for.
May he rest in peace. The saviour of peace, the Jesus of the Narutoverse.
lol jesus killed his parents and clan too?
Have you read the bible at all?
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-27, 03:07
I don't think it was meant to be taken in that context. Itachi's ends, no matter what the means were, was to keep and provide peace. Just as Jesus provides peace in Heaven.
I don't think it was meant to be taken in that context. Itachi's ends, no matter what the means were, was to keep and provide peace. Just as Jesus provides peace in Heaven.
I'm sorry but there is no way you can stretch Itachi to make him seem even remotely like a mimicry of Jesus. Dude killed his entire clan, but according to you guys he's a nice guy. Is there even a context where it is okay to kill a person?
Also I'm not sure where you are coming with this Jesus provides peace in heaven thing. Have you read the bible?
EDIT: i just realized I was arguing with a 15 yr old. He/she probably hasnt even read the bible or even know what he's talking about.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-27, 03:32
I did say no matter what the means were. Oh, and yes, I do/have read the bible all the way through.
The only thing is that you are failing to realize that I only meant what was the happen for the end results. I said nothing about his actions during his life being anything like that of Jesus'.
Oh, and I guess it is okay to kill someone if they are trying to kill you. If you have some way or form inwhich to fight back, I doubt that you WOULD let the person kill you.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-27, 03:33
You might not know who you're up against. I am referring to this one:
"Christ bore a satisfactory punishment, not for His, but for our sins"
And I guess Sinfully Naomi also knows what I am talking about :D
Sorry, but I like those comparisons. There are no taboos for an open-minded person. By the way, for your little ****size competition, you're not the only one in the world who read the Bible. I read it aswell.
Are you aware of how you talk to people? That's not how you should behave towards anyone...
No one needs to read the Bible to know how to behave towards others.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-27, 03:37
Yes, I do. Also please, just call me Naomi. :3
AuroraFlash
2008-12-27, 03:45
Yes, I do. Also please, just call me Naomi. :3
That's fine with me, Naomi.
Sorry but you have failed to draw parallels between Itachi and Jesus. Actually when pressed to do this you didnt even try and then went on to claim you read the bible which is totally suspect because you didnt demonstrate any level of knowledge of it.
No one needs to read the Bible to know how to behave towards others.
More of reason to get rid of it right?
Alchemist007
2008-12-27, 05:12
He let "omfg war=bad" memories lead him to kill his clan. Didn't like him before, don't like him now. I do respect him a whole helluva lot more than Sasuke though.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-27, 05:18
Sorry but you have failed to draw parallels between Itachi and Jesus. Actually when pressed to do this you didnt even try and then went on to claim you read the bible which is totally suspect because you didnt demonstrate any level of knowledge of it.
More of reason to get rid of it right?
I wasn't even trying to draw any parallels between the two. And I don't really see any reason in your post that resses me to express my knowledge of the bible.
I wasn't even trying to draw any parallels between the two. And I don't really see any reason in your post that resses me to express my knowledge of the bible.
I quoted Aurora flash not you.
"resses" ?? I'm sorry that's not even English. I'm not even bothering with you.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-27, 05:29
You typed it before the quote. I thought that you were addressing both of us.
I meant to say "Presses" >.< I hate when I forget letters.
Alchemist007
2008-12-27, 05:34
And I read it as "recess" anyways...which made the sentence seem waaay too over the top!
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-27, 05:36
xD recess! Wow, that was great for a laugh, dude. ^^
Gamma_Sennin
2008-12-27, 06:50
lol jesus killed his parents and clan too?
Have you read the bible at all?
Sorry but you have failed to draw parallels between Itachi and Jesus. Actually when pressed to do this you didnt even try and then went on to claim you read the bible which is totally suspect because you didnt demonstrate any level of knowledge of it.
More of reason to get rid of it right?
Your are being somewhat close minded... jesus carried the burden of everyone to wash away our sin's... in a similar way itachi took the burden of being an outcast, murderer. in order to keep the shame of his clan's betrayal secret.. stopping civil war and saving the village he loved, making it a happier place... I dont think it was ever Aurora's intention to draw Itachi as the same type of person, but more emphasize on certain parts which are similar.. Like parallel's in his almost martyr like sacrifice... the way itachi killed his sense of self... just to achieve this, shows that he never lusted for power nor wealth or fame... but craved for a world of peace...
how many of us would become the most hated man on earth to see its survival... to have everyone we ever loved disown us.. just to see them flourish and the world become a better place...
jesus endured torture, blasphemy, shame .... so all of us could be free of the sin's which burdened us... like itachi he made the greatest sacrifice... his self for another...
AuroraFlash
2008-12-27, 07:20
Your are being somewhat close minded... jesus carried the burden of everyone to wash away our sin's... in a similar way itachi took the burden of being an outcast, murderer. in order to keep the shame of his clan's betrayal secret.. stopping civil war and saving the village he loved, making it a happier place... I dont think it was ever Aurora's intention to draw Itachi as the same type of person, but more emphasize on certain parts which are similar.. Like parallel's in his almost martyr like sacrifice... the way itachi killed his sense of self... just to achieve this, shows that he never lusted for power nor wealth or fame... but craved for a world of peace...
how many of us would become the most hated man on earth to see its survival... to have everyone we ever loved disown us.. just to see them flourish and the world become a better place...
jesus endured torture, blasphemy, shame .... so all of us could be free of the sin's which burdened us... like itachi he made the greatest sacrifice... his self for another...
That's exactly what Naomi and I wanted to point out. That's the deal! I wonder how people can be blinded by religious fanatism in the 21st century yet again. I never wanted to start any brainless discussion about beliefs and religion, that's nothing that belongs here or even interests me.
So there are still people who are absolutely intolerant, defending their religion like a fortress made of stone.
This is hilarious :D
Thanks for this post, Gamma. I have to emphasize again that I'm thankful for your post.
Regards, AuroraFlash
Gamma_Sennin
2008-12-27, 09:02
Well his character was always cool... he was seen to be cold blooded, ruthless and was a true ninja which was to be marveled...
Yet the scenes of his fight with sasuke.. and the revelations which are to follow are rather powerful... the tears of blood.... are to us at the time.. seen as the ultimate cost for power.. yet from what we learn it gives a sense of grief which he felt.. the pain he suffered and the great burden he perched so selflessly on his back... the flicking of his finger upon his brothers forehead... showing us that he is that same loving brother he once was and even on his way out he still fought to protect what he loved... I also enjoyed the rain falling down.. almost washing away the sins he had committed... his burden once and for all lifted
After this part in the manga Itachi change a lot in my eyes... he was someone who I admired... not only for his prowess as a skilled ninja but his complexities challenged the logic of what we had known... and forced us to realize that virtue and heroism is much more than saving the day in the glory of a great hokage... and that his will of fire burned just as bright as those great men/women...
Kenshin_Uchiha
2008-12-27, 10:44
@nutype: Maybe the comparisson wasn't that great, but he wasn't trying to offend you either. You need to seriously work on your attitude (so do I), couldn't you just say you disagree with the analogy and that's it? No you have to go and start a religious discussion on a naruto thread? Real mature. Yes you where talking to a 15 year old, you may be older than her, have more experience, more knowledge etc. but nothing gives you the right to behave like you are superior, and complaining over typos? Again real mature.
@GS: He plays a role that is essential and exists in every wars.
We hail the great leaders for winning their wars, yet you will never know the name of that one soldier that made the difference in the battlefield, the spy that died on duty gathering the inteligence needed for the victory and no one ever knew he even existed. Nameless heroes and some, like Itachi, are seen as villains instead of heroes by most, because only a few know the truth.
Gamma_Sennin
2008-12-27, 16:15
mhmm totally agree... he is the unsung hero of konoha... i think most people underestimate that.. partly because he helped sasuke who most cant stand lol.... we still have to see what power he gave to naruto as well.. so his influence on the story is still rather relevant... all in all hes a great character... I guess one regret was never seeing him go all out in battle... we saw his abilities which were astonishingly overpowered (Susanoo)... but 1v1 vs someone he wanted to kill.. i think we would of realized his true potential...
AuroraFlash
2008-12-28, 00:03
mhmm totally agree... he is the unsung hero of konoha... i think most people underestimate that.. partly because he helped sasuke who most cant stand lol.... we still have to see what power he gave to naruto as well.. so his influence on the story is still rather relevant... all in all hes a great character... I guess one regret was never seeing him go all out in battle... we saw his abilities which were astonishingly overpowered (Susanoo)... but 1v1 vs someone he wanted to kill.. i think we would of realized his true potential...
Itachi was able to kill anyone. He was like an ascended version of Kakashi, with the perfect Uchiha body, two MS eyes and he could use a lot of techniques. Well, I know about fire, water and his special MS Jutsu. He was good at using water techniques and also fire techniques, but his true strength was genjutsu. He also was a brilliant genjutsu user who even surpassed Kurenai, the genjutsu specialist of Konoha. I have no doubt that he could have been the ultimate genjutsu specialist in Konoha if things went differently.
His taijutsu skills are nearly unmatched. With his Sharingan, he obviously could use the special three tomoe eye of insight and he was very fast. If Asuma was a hell of a guy, Itachi was the devil himself.
He could have become Hokage.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-28, 00:11
lol, Itachi was the devil himself!
I agree, Itachi did have all the qualities, skills, and strengths to become Hokage. Possibly even the greatest of the Hokage. He was unparalled un nearly every aspect of jutsu that he praticed. Plus, the MS was just the icing on the cake. Itachi never ever actually showed his true power, because he never wanted to kill. Itachi could've taken down Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma with ease, had he been aiming to kill them, but he obviously wasn't.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-28, 00:18
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/BlackFoxx93/Naruto_Devil_in_the_Moonlight.jpg
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-28, 00:20
What was the name of that crow technique?
AuroraFlash
2008-12-28, 00:35
What was the name of that crow technique?
I think Itachi didn't really name it. It belonged to his genjutsu style, but as we've seen other Konoha ninjas using crows, I wonder if it's actually typical for Konoha to use them or if that other guy just stole the idea from Itachi and uses them for his techniques aswell.
It's not listed among his jutsu.
@nutype: Maybe the comparisson wasn't that great, but he wasn't trying to offend you either. You need to seriously work on your attitude (so do I), couldn't you just say you disagree with the analogy and that's it? No you have to go and start a religious discussion on a naruto thread? Real mature. Yes you where talking to a 15 year old, you may be older than her, have more experience, more knowledge etc. but nothing gives you the right to behave like you are superior, and complaining over typos? Again real mature.
@GS: He plays a role that is essential and exists in every wars.
We hail the great leaders for winning their wars, yet you will never know the name of that one soldier that made the difference in the battlefield, the spy that died on duty gathering the inteligence needed for the victory and no one ever knew he even existed. Nameless heroes and some, like Itachi, are seen as villains instead of heroes by most, because only a few know the truth.
I was clearly not the first person to bring Jesus into the topic.
Secondly he didnt offend me, you seem to have made the assumption that I'm Christian. I'm not a Christian, I dont believe in Jesus or the bible or any of the miracles in it. I was simply pointing out the patent absurdity of comparing anyone that makes self sacrifice to Jesus especially when said person killed an entire village (hello?? anyone read this part? lol). If anyone wants to take offense to that and complain that's another issue.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-28, 02:47
It seems you're still being close-minded.
Alchemist007
2008-12-28, 05:00
Everyone has plenty of growing up to do, might as well start now right? Same goes for ItachiWAIThe'sdeadtoobad, but Sasuke does...or he'll become the new Orochimaru.
Kenshin_Uchiha
2008-12-28, 07:09
Never said that if you read properly. If you continue reading what i wrote you will see that I myself thought the analogy wasn't that great so why are you trying to tell me it wasn't good again? And where did I make the assumption that you are christian? You acuse me of assuming something and you are the one assuming. I pointed out that you reacted like you felt ofended, it was just a comparison no need to have that attitude. I think I made myself clear so I'm gonna stop with the offtopic.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-28, 09:22
I was clearly not the first person to bring Jesus into the topic.
Secondly he didnt offend me, you seem to have made the assumption that I'm Christian. I'm not a Christian, I dont believe in Jesus or the bible or any of the miracles in it. I was simply pointing out the patent absurdity of comparing anyone that makes self sacrifice to Jesus especially when said person killed an entire village (hello?? anyone read this part? lol). If anyone wants to take offense to that and complain that's another issue.
He didn't kill an entire village, he killed his own clan members, because they were planning a coup d'état which would have caused war and he was ordered to kill them and had to make a difficult choice, but without this decision, even more people would have died, so he decided to do it at all costs.
Can I ask you one question, please? You're talking about the Bible all the time. Have you even read one Naruto manga or do you know from hearsay?
Kishimyu
2008-12-28, 11:16
Didnt Itachi loath war, because he experienced the third ninja war when he was a child, and say countless of people slaughtered?
so given the choice between war and the death of his clan, he chose....well we all know
AuroraFlash
2008-12-28, 12:19
Didnt Itachi loath war, because he experienced the third ninja war when he was a child, and say countless of people slaughtered?
so given the choice between war and the death of his clan, he chose....well we all know
Yes, exactly.
He didn't kill an entire village, he killed his own clan members, because they were planning a coup d'état which would have caused war and he was ordered to kill them and had to make a difficult choice, but without this decision, even more people would have died, so he decided to do it at all costs.
Can I ask you one question, please? You're talking about the Bible all the time. Have you even read one Naruto manga or do you know from hearsay?
so now that you've lost the main argument you are trying to win a few points by correcting me on a word I used? Uchiha village, nothing wrong with calling it that. Villages consist of anywhere from 5 to 30 families.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village#Traditional_villages
AuroraFlash
2008-12-28, 14:48
so now that you've lost the main argument you are trying to win a few points by correcting me on a word I used? Uchiha village, nothing wrong with calling it that. Villages consist of anywhere from 5 to 30 families.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village#Traditional_villages
Do you want cheese for your w(h)ine?
Uchiha lived in a separate district inside Konoha "village".
Enjoy reading, please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District
Not sure why you're still talking when I owned you in argument. If I were you I'd just silently bow out of the conversation out of embarrassment or simply admit fault and praise me for correcting you. You're a stubborn one.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-28, 16:15
Not sure why you're still talking when I owned you in argument. If I were you I'd just silently bow out of the conversation out of embarrassment or simply admit fault and praise me for correcting you. You're a stubborn one.
I guess you won't give in ever. You're like a fanatic, maybe you are one. I don't know you well enough to tell, but I can tell that I am nothing but a mirror to you. I guess there's no way but to accept that we have different opinions and evade each other.
Can you agree on that or are you still determined to declare your unrecognized superiority?
HayashiTakara
2008-12-28, 16:16
Hmm... still don't like, never really was fond of men who paint their nails D:
I guess you won't give in ever. You're like a fanatic, maybe you are one. I don't know you well enough to tell, but I can tell that I am nothing but a mirror to you. I guess there's no way but to accept that we have different opinions and evade each other.
Can you agree on that or are you still determined to declare your unrecognized superiority?
Obviously there is only one truth. Either I am right or I am wrong. To say that my opinion has equal weight as any other persons is fallicious. We dont determine truth via consensus, it's based on evidence and facts. The evidence is actually on my side. Jesus never killed anyone according to the bible. Stretching Itachi to Jesus is like me stretching the creation myth to evolution or stretching a flat world to a spherical one it just cant be done unless you are really self-deluded.
mrsticky005
2008-12-28, 16:55
Itachi=Jesus
Itachi is a great character but he is nowhere remotely close to being like Jesus.
I don't mean to get religious but since you guys already brought it up:
Itachi killed his entire clan but saved one person.
Jesus gave his one and only life so all people could be saved.
Itachi killed only in self-defense.
Jesus NEVER killed. Not even in self-defense.
Itachi never said he was God.
Jesus said he was God.
Itachi died a somewhat honorable death.
There was nothing honorable about Jesus's death. It was pure humiliation.
Itachi took the blame for two people.
Jesus took the blame for all people.
Itachi is not the leader of Akatsuki.
Jesus was the leader of his disciples.
I probably could go on but you should get the point. The only thing that makes Itachi even slightly close to Jesus is that they both can do miraculous things- such as walking on water.
Kishimyu
2008-12-28, 17:03
I probably could go on but you should get the point. The only thing that makes Itachi even slightly close to Jesus is that they both can do miraculous things- such as walking on water.
lolz in that case there must be lots of Jesus' in the Naruto universe:heh:
tensashinigami
2008-12-28, 17:30
No matter about being close to Jesus or like Jesus, it comes down Itachi was a bad mother****er. He wanted Sasuke to live to kill him and let himself be killed.
Gamma_Sennin
2008-12-28, 23:45
Obviously there is only one truth. Either I am right or I am wrong. To say that my opinion has equal weight as any other persons is fallicious. We dont determine truth via consensus, it's based on evidence and facts. The evidence is actually on my side. Jesus never killed anyone according to the bible. Stretching Itachi to Jesus is like me stretching the creation myth to evolution or stretching a flat world to a spherical one it just cant be done unless you are really self-deluded.
I agree that the comparison's with the son of god is out there... but from my understanding... like all great martyr's they are people who have sacrificed there lives for the well being of others... although done in a radical manner, we least remember that this is a ninja story... so in the context of this universe the sacrifice is similar to that of any martyr whether it is jesus or whomever... he ripped himself raw of every human emotion, broke every bond he ever had for that dream of peace... lets not forget he can walk on water :heh: jks..
Itachi=Jesus
Itachi is a great character but he is nowhere remotely close to being like Jesus.
I don't mean to get religious but since you guys already brought it up:
Itachi killed his entire clan but saved one person.
Jesus gave his one and only life so all people could be saved.
Well itachi did kill his entire clan... but he also gave his life so many people could be saved... a civil war between the uchiha and konoha would have led to many deaths.. maybe even the collapse of the village.. and what I meant by he gave his life... Itachi's life after what he did, was over... he could no longer be a normal person, nor tell his brother he loved him... his entire sense of self had diminished... and all he lived for was to make sure that his village remained protected...
Itachi killed only in self-defense.
Jesus NEVER killed. Not even in self-defense.
We have never seen itachi kill anyone after the massacre of his clan.. and remember jesus wasn't a ninja.. and btw naruto hasn't killed anyone yet either:p maybe hes the son of god lol jks
Itachi never said he was God.
Jesus said he was God.
Jesus never said he was god... he always worshiped the lord.. and eventually became apart of god.. he never stood up and said "I Am God"... he preached that he was the son of god, or the messiah but never did he proclaim to be the almighty lord himself.. plus I know a few flat mates who think itachi is god lol
Itachi died a somewhat honorable death.
There was nothing honorable about Jesus's death. It was pure humiliation.
how is i Itachi death honorable, knowing his brother hated him... or how the village he fought to protect loathed him... there was nothing honorable about his death they both sacrificed every sense of humility to save the ones they loved..
Itachi took the blame for two people.
Jesus took the blame for all people.
Actually not only 2 people... he saved the respect of his clan... who were planning to take over... he took blame for the elders...
And yes jesus died for our sins... a greater scale.. but they both bit the bullet as they say..
Jesus never said he was god... he always worshiped the lord.. and eventually became apart of god.. he never stood up and said "I Am God"... he preached that he was the son of god, or the messiah but never did he proclaim to be the almighty lord himself.. plus I know a few flat mates who think itachi is god lol
I'm finding this troubling. According to the bible Jesus is God. I'm sure you are aware of the "trinity" that says God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
So basically Jesus IS God.
Whether he called himself "the son of God" is not relevant. He is still God. Calling himself the son of God is synonymous to calling himself God because of the trinity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
So if the trinity is true, Jesus was worshipping himself. Hilarity ensues.
Gamma_Sennin
2008-12-29, 01:18
I'm finding this troubling. According to the bible Jesus is God. I'm sure you are aware of the "trinity" that says God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
So basically Jesus IS God.
Whether he called himself "the son of God" is not relevant. He is still God. Calling himself the son of God is synonymous to calling himself God because of the trinity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
So if the trinity is true, Jesus was worshipping himself. Hilarity ensues.
Well true.. but he never once states he is god.. which is what i meant.. and yes the father, son and holy spirit are supposedly 3 different essence of the being... but micky said jesus suggest he was god.. which isnt true...
Also this link you have kindly provided (Which im not totally aware if is allowed on forums but idk)... states some believe jesus to have had 2 wills, one as a human and one as god... thus makes sense to fact he never related to himself as god... because he was human as well..
however I was just showing that although he comparing itachi and jesus is rather imprudent... his examples actually made them look rather similar...
Well true.. but he never once states he is god.. which is what i meant.. and yes the father, son and holy spirit are supposedly 3 different essence of the being... but micky said jesus suggest he was god.. which isnt true...
Also this link you have kindly provided (Which im not totally aware if is allowed on forums but idk)... states some believe jesus to have had 2 wills, one as a human and one as god... thus makes sense to fact he never related to himself as god... because he was human as well..
however I was just showing that although he comparing itachi and jesus is rather imprudent... his examples actually made them look rather similar...
Okay let's just get back to the heart of the argument. I really cringe everytime when I hear a character from a movie or manga compared to Jesus when he/she makes some kind of altruistic sacrifice.
You can practically pull out ANY character and compare them to Jesus in this way. Naruto is hurting himself to catch sasuke....omg he is just like Jesus!! Omg the hokage protecting the village at the cost of his own life, that's just like Jesus!!!! It's just endless and vacuous. I wish we'd all stop comparing everyone to Jesus everytime they make a sacrifice...that's all.
Hiraishin
2008-12-29, 07:23
Can everyone please stop the 'Jesus comparisons'? I mean, Itachi's incredibly awesome, brave, honorable etc. but there's no need to compare him to Jesus.
And oh, the lulz in this line :heh::
I wish we'd all stop comparing everyone to Jesus everytime they make a sacrifice...that's all.
kenjiharima
2008-12-29, 08:34
He's dead I could care less.
seiji_kun
2008-12-29, 09:33
He's dead I could care less.
But he lives on in everyone's heart just like Jesus...
OtseisRagnarok
2008-12-29, 11:39
But he lives on in everyone's heart just like Jesus...
He's also a character in a book who some people don't believe in... just like the J-man.
AnbuItachi
2008-12-29, 19:46
He died too early =) , he had so much potential, there was no need for him to just drop dead like that. he coulda killed the 3 elders himself easily. he should have just done that... but hes too obedient =(
Kishimyu
2008-12-29, 21:26
WTF!
why do you guys keep comparing Jesus with Itachi, Itachi is a made-up person and Jesus was a real life person. Plus im tired of hearing about Jesus, i have to go through this stuff at church. NO MORE JESUS COMPARRISONS PLEASE!!!!!!
WTF!
Itachi is a made-up person and Jesus was a real life person.
yup just like mohammed was a real person and just like moses was and just like the buddha and Osiris too. Also Krishna and Zeus were real too right?
So many gods to choose from it's like a multiple choice exam where if you choose the wrong answer you spend eternity in hell. I know this should bother the religious but it never does.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-29, 23:41
Itachi... yes, Itachi... he was tall, had black hair and most of the time red eyes. It seems he never deactivated Sharingan if he didn't have to and I wonder why. Was he just cautious or was it because of his disease or maybe to display him as a threatening character with strange eyes?
Kishimyu
2008-12-30, 01:16
Or maybe Itachi also mastered the Sharingan and didnt have to deactivate it, he did have lower chakra capacity than Sasuke, so maybe it was cuz his Sharingan was draining his chakra constantly?
OtseisRagnarok
2008-12-30, 13:00
Or maybe Itachi also mastered the Sharingan and didnt have to deactivate it, he did have lower chakra capacity than Sasuke, so maybe it was cuz his Sharingan was draining his chakra constantly?
But why would he do that to himself?
To purposefully weaken himself against Sasuke? Or maybe it's the same reason as Kakashi: He was afraid he would lose it.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-30, 13:55
But why would he do that to himself?
To purposefully weaken himself against Sasuke? Or maybe it's the same reason as Kakashi: He was afraid he would lose it.
We're not sure Kakashi is afraid losing it. Maybe Kakashi has no control over his Sharingan.
Kallen4life
2008-12-30, 15:47
Kakashi's is ALWAYS active, he can't turn it off .. Itachi just has incredible control and leaving it activated drains very mimimal chakra, but makes him much harder to sneak upon etc.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-30, 21:33
Actually, it doesn't drain much chakra from any Uchiha who uses the sharingan. The use of chakra is so small they can use it even when they're almost out of it.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-31, 05:12
Actually, it doesn't drain much chakra from any Uchiha who uses the sharingan. The use of chakra is so small they can use it even when they're almost out of it.
Well, in the end, neither Sasuke nor Itachi had a Sharingan in their final battle, so it does need chakra and of course that's the reason they don't have it activated all the time. I guess Sasuke hasn't perfected his use of Sharingan as much as Itachi has, thus Sasuke uses it less often than Itachi. In addition, Itachi is... no was a hunted criminal with a dangerous partner. Sasuke can trust his teammates, that's been shown in the fight against Hachibi and Sasuke doesn't comprehend that he's a hunted criminal now. I think he's pretty careless. He was lucky that it was 4 on 1 when they were tracked by a Jounin from Kumo.
The ninjas of Kumogakure are not to be taken lightly. They are strong. Strong enough to sacrifice a Hyuuga, Neji's father, to avoid a military conflict. Raikage himself has ordered to take care of Sasuke, it's about time Sasuke breaks a sweat. Sasuke is strong, but Sasuke is weaker than Madara and by far not immortal. He should be very careful, at least as careful as Itachi has been.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-31, 08:31
But it was said. somewhere I forget where that the drain is so minimal it doesn't matter.
I think there was some kind of power shift. Because after getting power from Itachi, he should've been super strong, yet he got his ass kicked with ease. I'm not saying that he fared well against Itachi, if Itachi wanted to, he could've easily killed Sasuke. But he didn't. I'm just saying, to make a big deal abotu Sasuke getting stronger, and watnot, then showing how weak he is in the VERY next fight isn't very consistant.
AuroraFlash
2008-12-31, 08:51
But it was said. somewhere I forget where that the drain is so minimal it doesn't matter.
I think there was some kind of power shift. Because after getting power from Itachi, he should've been super strong, yet he got his ass kicked with ease. I'm not saying that he fared well against Itachi, if Itachi wanted to, he could've easily killed Sasuke. But he didn't. I'm just saying, to make a big deal abotu Sasuke getting stronger, and watnot, then showing how weak he is in the VERY next fight isn't very consistant.
Well, Sasuke has lost his beloved CS (HAX!!!) which is a multiplier like power x10... so he just has 10% of his former power, that's a matter of fact.
No wonder he seems to be weaker, is it? He gained MS, he lost CS, that's like giving away a tank and changing it for a scalpel.
Sinfully Naomi
2008-12-31, 08:57
HA! So true. If only he could've kept the CS, and the MS. He would be just about unstoppable.[/notrly bcuz Madara is like that, and he's all immortal and stuff(hence, copy of Madara without immortality), in terms the of strongest characters, Sasuke wouldn't even been in the top ten. But he's still smexeh]
AuroraFlash
2008-12-31, 09:05
HA! So true. If only he could've kept the CS, and the MS. He would be just about unstoppable.[/notrly bcuz Madara is like that, and he's all immortal and stuff(hence, copy of Madara without immortality), in terms the of strongest characters, Sasuke wouldn't even been in the top ten. But he's still smexeh]
Yes. People tend to forget about that. When Sasuke fought Deidara, he was able to fly because of the CS2, he could protect himself using CS2, I guess he even lost a wing. Many of his techniques required CS or CS2 to be used.
That's why he lost to Hachibi. He had to find a new way to fight, a new style. If he had stuck to Kakashi, he'd probably be a stronger ninja now. Kakashi managed to activate MS without killing anybody close to him and Kakashi taught him to suppress the CS. Sasuke's CS was actually, and that's been shown in their fight, the same as Naruto's Kyuubi and both had to let go of that now to discover their own strength. Both lost power and both went into different directions when they reached a fork.
Sasuke's becoming the Genjutsu type, somehow like Itachi, a precise fighter with strong and elegant taijutsu who doesn't move around too much and does what he needs to do while Naruto becomes the more brute guy with his brute force and no skills in genjutsu. Sakura is the healer with good abilities in dodging and a hard punch.
Kallen4life
2008-12-31, 17:28
I think swapping CS for MS is justified even solely for Amaterasu .. as was shown it is actually capable of physically harming a full grown 8-tails which is by far an amazing feat, considering they are invulnerable to nearly everything (save for special stuff like Mokuton, MS - for taming and ofc the 4-th's Death God thing, which is suicidal .. I wonder if Susanoo's sword attack would seal a Bijuu's soul in that dream-like dimension, though) .. BUT it's still unknown - maybe Kirabi would've survived Amaterasu even without it being put out (+ I read somewhere that 8-tails chakra cloak is ALMOST invulnerable .. almost .. but 9-tails' actually is invulnerable because of virtually unlimited chakra pool (only Kyubi has such in all of Naruto-verse), so maybe u can't hurt Kyubi with Amaterasu) + ofc MS isn't something u can use every fight and there is the eye detioration .. while CS2 was always there and gave much versatility .. i think right now Sasuke is barely in the same field as Pein/Naruto/Madara and that is only because of Amaterasu (unless he has something else) and that he can/will be defeated w/o much effort by either of the three
Kishimyu
2008-12-31, 23:16
i think Sasuke was much stronger with the CS2 because he learned how to use it better over 2 1/2 years, but if he had a little more training in his Sharingan he could probably become as strong as Itachi (who's had his Sharingan since 8, and MS since like 16 or 17). Right now though, i agree that Sasuke is barely able to match Naurto, Madara, and Pain; but he could become quite strong with more training in the Sharingan
Gamma_Sennin
2009-01-01, 00:24
i think Sasuke was much stronger with the CS2 because he learned how to use it better over 2 1/2 years, but if he had a little more training in his Sharingan he could probably become as strong as Itachi (who's had his Sharingan since 8, and MS since like 16 or 17). Right now though, i agree that Sasuke is barely able to match Naurto, Madara, and Pain; but he could become quite strong with more training in the Sharingan
So true, I dont think we have seen sasuke's best just yet... he has just learned to use tsyokumi and ametarasu... and with a bit more experience with it, he will become a lot more formidable than what we saw against hachibi... and of course... will surpass itachi, in the same manner naruto is surpassing his predecessors...
Maybe through sasuke we will see what itachi was capable of... there is evidence with his variety of ms jutsu, to the way he manipulated his battle with sasuke who S ranked at least... that he was an outstanding ninja, maybe even up there with pain/madara... There's a reason no one made a move on konoha, as stated by madara.. once he was dead there was no one who could get in there way... if madara who tells pain what to do, is weary of what itachi is capable of, to the extent he would leave konoha alone.. it makes you think, how strong was he?
But then at that point, J_Man and Itachi were alive... along with tsunade konoha was a lot stronger than it is now... however after seeing naruto, maybe its gonna be stronger than ever:p
Actually we all know it will be... with all that surpassing the old mambo jumboo!!
SpyderSidiouss
2009-01-01, 11:51
I think swapping CS for MS is justified even solely for Amaterasu .. as was shown it is actually capable of physically harming a full grown 8-tails which is by far an amazing feat, considering they are invulnerable to nearly everything (save for special stuff like Mokuton, MS - for taming and ofc the 4-th's Death God thing, which is suicidal .. I wonder if Susanoo's sword attack would seal a Bijuu's soul in that dream-like dimension, though) .. BUT it's still unknown - maybe Kirabi would've survived Amaterasu even without it being put out (+ I read somewhere that 8-tails chakra cloak is ALMOST invulnerable .. almost .. but 9-tails' actually is invulnerable because of virtually unlimited chakra pool (only Kyubi has such in all of Naruto-verse), so maybe u can't hurt Kyubi with Amaterasu) + ofc MS isn't something u can use every fight and there is the eye detioration .. while CS2 was always there and gave much versatility .. i think right now Sasuke is barely in the same field as Pein/Naruto/Madara and that is only because of Amaterasu (unless he has something else) and that he can/will be defeated w/o much effort by either of the three
kk, lets be for real here. naruto is only able to be in that bracket because of one thing also : sage mode(assuming he was going to keep his promise and never use the kyuubi again). And, I'm not even sure if sage mode has more destructive power potential or is even equal to kyuubi mode: if it is equal then pain was already prepared to deal with something that powerful. If its more powerful than the kyuubi mode (which I doubt), hes still in that bracket because of one thing.
Sinfully Naomi
2009-01-01, 13:36
I'm fairly certain that Sage mode MAY be stronger than the Kyuubi. And in that sense faster.
Also, every character has an ace in the hole. What would Sasuke be without his Sharingan? Gai, and Lee without the Eight Inner Gates? I don't think that's it's fair to single out Naruto just because of Sage mode.
AuroraFlash
2009-01-01, 14:10
I'm fairly certain that Sage mode MAY be stronger than the Kyuubi. And in that sense faster.
Also, every character has an ace in the hole. What would Sasuke be without his Sharingan? Gai, and Lee without the Eight Inner Gates? I don't think that's it's fair to single out Naruto just because of Sage mode.
Mhm, I would say Naruto has a better control over the sage mode than he has over the Kyuubi at the moment. In the end, the Kyuubi will be an even greater source of power than the sage mode. Maybe both can be combined, maybe not.
Kishimyu
2009-01-01, 15:16
I'm fairly certain that Sage mode MAY be stronger than the Kyuubi. And in that sense faster.
Also, every character has an ace in the hole. What would Sasuke be without his Sharingan? Gai, and Lee without the Eight Inner Gates? I don't think that's it's fair to single out Naruto just because of Sage mode.
Mhm, I would say Naruto has a better control over the sage mode than he has over the Kyuubi at the moment. In the end, the Kyuubi will be an even greater source of power than the sage mode. Maybe both can be combined, maybe not.
I think Naruto has control over his kyuubi form when he has one tail or only the kyuubi cloak, he can compress it but once it's released the Kyuubi takes over and he goes on a rampage. We dont know if full Kyuubi form can move faster than sage since we've never seen it.
Naruto has mastered the Sage tech so he can control it quite well, but i think the Kyuubi will be even more powerful; you guys have seen what it's capable of at 4 tails, but what if it was fully unleashed and Naruto had all 9???? It would probably be even stronger than the tachnique Pain used to destroy Kanoha. Plus his speed would drasticly increase due to all that chakra, but Naruto could end up killing himself.
SpyderSidiouss
2009-01-01, 15:33
I'm fairly certain that Sage mode MAY be stronger than the Kyuubi. And in that sense faster.
Do you mind providing some kind of proof or justification of how it "may" be stronger? (and not just saying that because you want it to be stronger) Also notice how i also stated "potential".
....and, you're saying you're "fairly certain" that it "may" be stronger.... lol then that means you're not certain of anything if you know what i mean. you might as well have just said "..um well, it might be stronger" or whatever. lol
Also, every character has an ace in the hole. What would Sasuke be without his Sharingan? Gai, and Lee without the Eight Inner Gates? I don't think that's it's fair to single out Naruto just because of Sage mode.
the bolded text is exactly my point. please notice in my post that i was answering the bloke that said sasuke's only in pein/madara/naruto's ballpark because of his amatarasu alone. I'm saying that naruto is the same case, so why bother singling out people because of their techniques. hm.
Kallen4life
2009-01-01, 17:22
cuz Amaterasu is desperate, last resort and causes eye damage .. Sage mode is standart stuff for Naruto now, he can do it and do it and do it :), taking him to Pein/Madara level .. Naruto's ace isn't Sage mode - it's Rasen-Shuriken / Kyubi / the uncompleted & unknown technique requiring the 'key' from Minato / whatever Itachi left him .. last 2 are unknown, Rasen is dangerous/risky and Kyubi is just plain uncontrolable, but also prly unstoppable with all 9-tails :
I assume they won't be able to just supress red chakra with Sharingan after he's already 9-tails - that's too imba, any Uchiha could've defended Konoha against Kyubi then 16 years ago + MS shouldn't be able to tame Kyubi, cuz he is in a host .. all 9-tails would be too much for Yamato, he's just a copy (or if Naruto could control the power like Kirabi then there would be no need to do so, cuz Naruto would be in control .. but that's unlikely, Kyubi is much more violent then 8-tails) .. the Death God technique is gone with 3-rd and 4-th dead (unless Pein can do it .. but it's suicidal) .. that leaves nothing else (unless Sasuke/Madara have Susanoo and it works on Kyubi), full-power Nine Tails should be invincible to any other 'standart' ninjutsu (including Amaterasu .. not sure about this though .. but it didn't kill 8-tails right away + he was pretending more or less perhaps + 9-tails > 8-tails)
AuroraFlash
2009-01-01, 17:33
cuz Amaterasu is desperate, last resort and causes eye damage .. Sage mode is standart stuff for Naruto now, he can do it and do it and do it :), taking him to Pein/Madara level .. Naruto's ace isn't Sage mode - it's Rasen-Shuriken / Kyubi / the uncompleted & unknown technique requiring the 'key' from Minato / whatever Itachi left him .. last 2 are unknown, Rasen is dangerous/risky and Kyubi is just plain uncontrolable, but also prly unstoppable with all 9-tails :
I assume they won't be able to just supress red chakra with Sharingan after he's already 9-tails - that's too imba, any Uchiha could've defended Konoha against Kyubi then 16 years ago + MS shouldn't be able to tame Kyubi, cuz he is in a host .. all 9-tails would be too much for Yamato, he's just a copy (or if Naruto could control the power like Kirabi then there would be no need to do so, cuz Naruto would be in control .. but that's unlikely, Kyubi is much more violent then 8-tails) .. the Death God technique is gone with 3-rd and 4-th dead (unless Pein can do it .. but it's suicidal) .. that leaves nothing else (unless Sasuke/Madara have Susanoo and it works on Kyubi), full-power Nine Tails should be invincible to any other 'standart' ninjutsu (including Amaterasu .. not sure about this though .. but it didn't kill 8-tails right away + he was pretending more or less perhaps + 9-tails > 8-tails)
Agreed, but isn't that meant for the 430 chapter?
Of course you are right, but it's a little far away from "what do you think of Itachi now", don't you think?
Besides, the death god technique is gone nowhere. There's a secret scroll with all the (forbidden) jutsu in it and I guess it still exists.
Why do you think the Kyuubi is invincible to Amaterasu? Amaterasu so far is the strongest technique of all and same goes for the other two techniques.
Hachibi hid in the tentacle that touched Karin and burned her and when Sasuke put out the flames, he was saved from Amaterasu aswell.
you guys have seen what it's capable of at 4 tails, but what if it was fully unleashed and Naruto had all 9???? It would probably be even stronger than the tachnique Pain used to destroy Kanoha. Plus his speed would drasticly increase due to all that chakra, but Naruto could end up killing himself.
More power = more speed I guess, except he eats up too much chakra again and wants to spit it as a blast.
When Naruto used the Kyuubi's chakra, his speed increased dramatically. I don't know which one is faster, but since we don't even know if both powers can be combined, it doesn't make sense to talk about which one is faster.
Kallen4life
2009-01-01, 17:46
I don't think all of the forbidden techniques that exist are on one scroll .. about Amaterasu - it's my assumption + the fact that Kyubi is stronger then 8-tails .. but we'll see
However, even in his full form he does not possess an invincible shroud like the Nine-Tails, so even with his immense size, powerful attacks such as Chidori and Amaterasu will still be effective, the latter defeating him in this form, though it was revealed that Kirabi was only pretending so that he could escape his village.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kirābī_Jinchūriki_Forms .. not sure how accurate this is .. but it could be, cuz only Kyubi has been described as having practically unlimited chakra - others, though powerful, are finite
AuroraFlash
2009-01-01, 18:18
I don't think all of the forbidden techniques that exist are on one scroll .. about Amaterasu - it's my assumption + the fact that Kyubi is stronger then 8-tails .. but we'll see
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kirābī_Jinchūriki_Forms .. not sure how accurate this is .. but it could be, cuz only Kyubi has been described as having practically unlimited chakra - others, though powerful, are finite
If you compare Ichibi and Kyuubi, you can see extreme differences between the different bijuus. I wouldn't try to compare them.
Well, Itachi is one of the greatest charakters in the manga, but still i´m a little disappointed.
Although pulling a "The Boss" is cool, I would have prefered the idea of him being a kind of Ledger-Joker (which he first seemed to be)...
Ledger-Joker = greatest villain of all time.
OtseisRagnarok
2009-01-08, 12:41
Well, Itachi is one of the greatest charakters in the manga, but still i´m a little disappointed.
Although pulling a "The Boss" is cool, I would have prefered the idea of him being a kind of Ledger-Joker (which he first seemed to be)...
Ledger-Joker = greatest villain of all time.
I never saw that comparison before... I like the idea of Itachi being "the boss" But does that mean there'll be a "Solid Sasuke" running around soon? :heh:
And I think Orochimaru fits the bill as a "Ledger-Joker" villan.
Well at least Sasuke gets similar exploited.
And yeah, Orochimaru´s really close to Joker, but he´s more predictable.
OtseisRagnarok
2009-01-08, 12:52
Well at least Sasuke gets similar exploited.
And yeah, Orochimaru´s really close to Joker, but he´s more predictable.
Only because Orochimaru had an actual goal. If he had achieved said goal, who knows what Oro would've done next?
Only because Orochimaru had an actual goal. If he had achieved said goal, who knows what Oro would've done next?
As an Oro-fan i hope we find out somewhen.^^
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About Itachi...I think you misunderstood me there, I didn´t refer Itachi to "Big Boss", but to "The Boss" from mgs3...however thanks for the rep. xD
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