View Full Version : Tomoyo After ~It's a Wonderful Life~
Klashikari
2007-10-29, 06:08
This thread is meant to discuss about Tomoyo After ~It's a Wonderful life~. You can use this thread to discuss about both game and manga adaptation of this spin-off.
Feel free to share your opinions, game experience and so forth.
Before anything though, please remember this game/manga is a spin-off sequel, following the end of Tomoyo's route in the original CLANNAD game (it doesn't reflect the original time line and events of CLANNAD, so spin-off).
Hence, please understand it might spoil you concerning Tomoyo's route. That said, for further overal information, please check the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyo_after).
As a final note, please do not discuss about Tomoyo in her "CLANNAD period". For this, please rather use the concerned episode thread, the game discussion thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=10536), and/or her character discussion thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=56629).
Spoiler Policy
Adding a Spoiler tag:
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.global/spoiler.gifJust highlight your spoiler and click the button found
on the "Quick Reply" and "Reply to Thread" forms.
Make sure that you include a title for the spoiler!
Please use the Report button if you see any spoilers:
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.style/default/buttons/report.gifClick the button found to the left of the post, just under the poster's avatar.
Using the Report button is anonymous and helps the Moderators
to locate and deal with problems quickly.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-10-29, 06:10
Eh-to....but why?
Telling you will spoil the story.
Ascaloth
2007-10-29, 06:14
Telling you will spoil the story.
Oh, so you mean the story for Tomoyo After is so sad you'll rip your heart out if an anime comes out for it. Heh....for a while there I thought you meant that you'll rip your heart out because it won't do justice to the game in your opinion, or something. :heh:
But if that's the case, IMO by all means bring on a KyoAni Tomoyo After! I personally don't mind being made to bawl all over again.... :p
Just a thought: I hope they don't make an anime for Tomoyo After, or I'll rip my heart out crying.
The PC end?
But the PS2 end has a extra 1 minute scene that turned the PC game sad end into a Happy/True end...
Kang Seung Jae
2007-11-01, 03:35
But the PS2 end has a extra 1 minute scene that turned the PC game sad end into a Happy/True end...
It does?
Would you be kind enough to PM me the details?
sapphirearcz
2007-11-01, 09:51
If only Tomoyo will replace Nagisa as the main female lead... and Tomoyo After replace After Story for the anime. LOL
Can someone kindly PM me the details of whats the ending for Tomoyo After?? what had happened?.. Don't tell me they broke up or something.........
If only Tomoyo will replace Nagisa as the main female lead... and Tomoyo After replace After Story for the anime. LOL
i wouldnt mind that possibility either. it would be a funny coincidence :heh:
mr_winkie
2007-11-01, 18:43
The PC end?
But the PS2 end has a extra 1 minute scene that turned the PC game sad end into a Happy/True end...
How where the endings between the two versions different? I'd like to be told the differences between the two myself via PM if possible too
Well, the PS2 added a scene like a epilogue...
I would say play the game, but how many actually understand the language...
Tangowr's Lunch Counter Translation
After -The seven day-
Finally reaching this step
This is a beginning
I stand at the place where "she" existed
Together with a young girl abandoned by her mother, together in a summer
The time we passed together was very happy
If she wished, this can continue forever
If you know the "real" her
In a village with nothing in the mountain
Choosing to live with mother
Even knowing that mother doesn't have long to live
That day, I promised her
After Last
um..
I'm fine
uh...
You don't have to worry about me
Because
Our
Love is forever
After Ending PC end
Following the rolling sound, the hospital bed carrying him is here.
I followed constantly
waiting to be scolded, I held softly his hand
until the operation room, when we seperated.
I waited patiently
Believing with my heart
looking at the result
The operation was not successful
But in getting back the memory...
It can be said to be successful
Meeting him in Intensive Care room is two day after
Not even able to talk to each other..
Only heard on word
That is my name..
I cried wit joy like a kid(Or is it making sound like a happy child?)
Soon, he got moved to a normal room
Starting the recovery every day
Both person working together to live day after day
walking together
At that time, we both
No matter what is waiting in front of us
we will not regret
That confidence
Because we both
found what is most important
The scenery we both saw together
Still not forgotten now
The never ending sunset
Watching us both lovingly
it's a wonderful world, not realizing even today
No matter if it's a childhood when not knowing
Or when in pain
Not knowing this color, letting it pass.
It's so beautiful
I don't know when he fell asleep
That face is like
a racer that finally reached the finish line
His mouth moved at the time, unknown what he said
A broken soft voice
maybe a dream
Even if like this, still repeating that line
He at that time, should have reached the same place
I can think this way
Not falling into depression again
Overcoming obstacle
believing in forever love
Believing with one heart
Because of the days together
A treasure that belong only to me
a irreplacable treasure
Even if there is painful thing
Time crying and screaming
but because of those day
Now can see them as light
The day I met him
The day I lived with him
hopeless day
Day I spent crying by myself
Starting a new path now
Past
Future
all together
same as the setting sun that day
seeing light
because I found that kind of life light
other people with the same problem as me
Wanting to help them
Walking just like this
Unknown when that became my reason of existance
So, people that found that light
Hope you can help other look
At that time, you should have nothing to puzzle over
you
you should have found your purpose in life
Your treasure, is what kind of thing/event
How to reach it
no one know
But, one day, will find it
So no matter how painful it is now
anger is
sorrow or pain
screaming or crying
still wish for you to continue
until the day you find your treasure
if on the other side of the screen, you
on the road, you became by yourself
no problem
you are not alone
I am here
Always traveling with you
So don't worry
because
this is what I
and Him together
Found
NAME:Mori no Kuma-san(Bear-san in the forest)<Tomoyo>
、、、ありがとう
Thank you
、、、おまえのおかげで
Because of you
いい人生だったよ
I had a wonderful life
come, let's go
The world is so beautiful
And life is so bright
It's a wonderful life
PC end...it's really sad, looking from Tomoyo's view waiting for three year, and watching your love forget you over and over again
From Tomoya's view...how to repay what Tomoyo did...
I really would prefer a happy fairy tale end.. and that their time together again isn't so short
But the scene of them watching the sunset, is the finish line, the end...but we can't see the front, so maybe...definitely a long time has passed.
Now then the PS2 version came out...and the ending added a 1 minute of dialoge after the staff credit scene, the front is pretty much the same
Tomoya: Sorry for let you wait, Tomoyo
Tomoyo: Are you letting me wait again?
Tomoyo: Every time, Everytime, I'm the one waiting for you
Tomoyo: From our first seperation of eight month...to the 3 year that you are sick...then you fell asleep(Coma)...how long would you let me wait until you are satafisied.
Tomoyo: I already...and..
Tomoya: Sorry, but I promise, I will not let go of your hand, this time it's your turn to be happy, I will let you be happy.
Tomoyo: Come, let's go, toward that Wonderful Life.
The PS2 end also has different interpertation..mainly two
1. The added scene is the world of the dead...because I want a happy end...so NO COMMENT!!!
2. Tomoyo and Tomoya are alive
PC version, Tomoya died due to the effect of the surgery, but in PS2, he fell into a coma, and after time passed, he woke up.
My thought...Fan disk like this need a Happy End.
A fairy tale ending...they lived happily ever after.
And the PC version H-event, PS2 got changed to Tomoya making Tomoyo putting on Neko-mimi, Teacher outfit, Maid and school swimsuit...
Also Tomoyo After is the event in the Tomoyo path.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope this answer your question.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-11-01, 21:54
Well, the PS2 added a scene like a epilogue...
I would say play the game, but how many actually understand the language...
Tangowr's Lunch Counter Translation
After -The seven day-
Finally reaching this step
This is a beginning
I stand at the place where "she" existed
Together with a young girl abandoned by her mother, together in a summer
The time we passed together was very happy
If she wished, this can continue forever
If you know the "real" her
In a village with nothing in the mountain
Choosing to live with mother
Even knowing that mother doesn't have long to live
That day, I promised her
After Last
um..
I'm fine
uh...
You don't have to worry about me
Because
Our
Love is forever
After Ending PC end
Following the rolling sound, the hospital bed carrying him is here.
I followed constantly
waiting to be scolded, I held softly his hand
until the operation room, when we seperated.
I waited patiently
Believing with my heart
looking at the result
The operation was not successful
But in getting back the memory...
It can be said to be successful
Meeting him in Intensive Care room is two day after
Not even able to talk to each other..
Only heard on word
That is my name..
I cried wit joy like a kid(Or is it making sound like a happy child?)
Soon, he got moved to a normal room
Starting the recovery every day
Both person working together to live day after day
walking together
At that time, we both
No matter what is waiting in front of us
we will not regret
That confidence
Because we both
found what is most important
The scenery we both saw together
Still not forgotten now
The never ending sunset
Watching us both lovingly
it's a wonderful world, not realizing even today
No matter if it's a childhood when not knowing
Or when in pain
Not knowing this color, letting it pass.
It's so beautiful
I don't know when he fell asleep
That face is like
a racer that finally reached the finish line
His mouth moved at the time, unknown what he said
A broken soft voice
maybe a dream
Even if like this, still repeating that line
He at that time, should have reached the same place
I can think this way
Not falling into depression again
Overcoming obstacle
believing in forever love
Believing with one heart
Because of the days together
A treasure that belong only to me
a irreplacable treasure
Even if there is painful thing
Time crying and screaming
but because of those day
Now can see them as light
The day I met him
The day I lived with him
hopeless day
Day I spent crying by myself
Starting a new path now
Past
Future
all together
same as the setting sun that day
seeing light
because I found that kind of life light
other people with the same problem as me
Wanting to help them
Walking just like this
Unknown when that became my reason of existance
So, people that found that light
Hope you can help other look
At that time, you should have nothing to puzzle over
you
you should have found your purpose in life
Your treasure, is what kind of thing/event
How to reach it
no one know
But, one day, will find it
So no matter how painful it is now
anger is
sorrow or pain
screaming or crying
still wish for you to continue
until the day you find your treasure
if on the other side of the screen, you
on the road, you became by yourself
no problem
you are not alone
I am here
Always traveling with you
So don't worry
because
this is what I
and Him together
Found
NAME:Mori no Kuma-san(Bear-san in the forest)<Tomoyo>
、、、ありがとう
Thank you
、、、おまえのおかげで
Because of you
いい人生だったよ
I had a wonderful life
come, let's go
The world is so beautiful
And life is so bright
It's a wonderful life
PC end...it's really sad, looking from Tomoyo's view waiting for three year, and watching your love forget you over and over again
From Tomoya's view...how to repay what Tomoyo did...
I really would prefer a happy fairy tale end.. and that their time together again isn't so short
But the scene of them watching the sunset, is the finish line, the end...but we can't see the front, so maybe...definitely a long time has passed.
Now then the PS2 version came out...and the ending added a 1 minute of dialoge after the staff credit scene, the front is pretty much the same
Tomoya: Sorry for let you wait, Tomoyo
Tomoyo: Are you letting me wait again?
Tomoyo: Every time, Everytime, I'm the one waiting for you
Tomoyo: From our first seperation of eight month...to the 3 year that you are sick...then you fell asleep(Coma)...how long would you let me wait until you are satafisied.
Tomoyo: I already...and..
Tomoya: Sorry, but I promise, I will not let go of your hand, this time it's your turn to be happy, I will let you be happy.
Tomoyo: Come, let's go, toward that Wonderful Life.
The PS2 end also has different interpertation..mainly two
1. The added scene is the world of the dead...because I want a happy end...so NO COMMENT!!!
2. Tomoyo and Tomoya are alive
PC version, Tomoya died due to the effect of the surgery, but in PS2, he fell into a coma, and after time passed, he woke up.
My thought...Fan disk like this need a Happy End.
A fairy tale ending...they lived happily ever after.
And the PC version H-event, PS2 got changed to Tomoya making Tomoyo putting on Neko-mimi, Teacher outfit, Maid and school swimsuit...
Also Tomoyo After is the event in the Tomoyo path.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope this answer your question.
Coma? WTH? That REALLY spoils the beauty of the original ending :(
edit: Whoops, looks like I posted a little too late. :heh:
A question for Tangowr...
Just clarifying. I've played the PC version, and my interpretation of the events was that:
PC Version
Tomoya gets injured, loses his memory, but after 3 years he finally starts to recover with Tomoyo's help
or
Tomoya gets injured, goes into a coma for 3 years, but recovers in the end with Tomoyo's help.
When exactly was it said in the PC version that he died from surgery? Plus, I'm a bit puzzled since most of the scenes in the credits shows a recovering Tomoya as well...
edit: Whoops, looks like I posted a little too late. :heh:
A question for Tangowr...
Just clarifying. I've played the PC version, and my interpretation of the events was that:
PC Version
Tomoya gets injured, loses his memory, but after 3 years he finally starts to recover with Tomoyo's help
or
Tomoya gets injured, goes into a coma for 3 years, but recovers in the end with Tomoyo's help.
When exactly was it said in the PC version that he died from surgery? Plus, I'm a bit puzzled since most of the scenes in the credits shows a recovering Tomoya as well...
Sunset scene, when he fell "asleep"
Hmm, I may want to PM you directly later to check on some details in that case. Not now, since I'm a little busy. Hope you don't mind.
eMpTy265
2007-11-02, 01:32
Regarding the 'true story' of Tomoyo after:
Basically, if the player completed Tomo's scenario perfectly, Tomoya will have had an accident in the trash heap.
After a change scene, the player (Tomoya) will find himself in an unknown room, and it'll turn out that he's gotten amnesia.
Eventually, we find out that the accident has caused Tomoya to lose his memories all the way back to the end of elementary school. (i.e. he has no recollection of Tomoyo)
Despite Tomoyo's efforts to jog his memories, Tomoya will relapse / reset every once in a while. (Can't remember if it was around 10 days... but basically whenever he starts to get a headache...)
Just clarifying. I've played the PC version, and my interpretation of the events was that:
PC Version
Tomoya gets injured, loses his memory, but after 3 years he finally starts to recover with Tomoyo's help
or
Tomoya gets injured, goes into a coma for 3 years, but recovers in the end with Tomoyo's help.
When exactly was it said in the PC version that he died from surgery? Plus, I'm a bit puzzled since most of the scenes in the credits shows a recovering Tomoya as well...
In both PC and PS version, Tomoya goes into the memory relapse.
For 3 years, Tomoyo has stayed by Tomoya's side, jogging his memories time after time, even though she was never able to truly bring back his memories.
(I can't imagine how painful it was for Tomoyo, having Tomoya forget her over 100 times... and still continuing to help recover his memories)
So in both PC and PS version, there's the 3 year time leap.
Only once did she get him to the point of saying "I love you" to Tomoyo, which is what made her decide to go for the operation. Oh, and the marriage scene before the operation.
Apparently the operation was not 100% successful, it was successful in bringing back Tomoya's memories, but as a side effect it basically killed Tomoya.
The PC version has Tomoya 'falling asleep' after they discover the wonderful life, and Tomoyo is able to live on with the memory of ever lasting love. The song life is like a melody reflects Tomoyo's ending.
curse them for removing the subtitles
I read somewhere that the PC ending was Maeda's attempt in trying to portray a situation where things don't work out even after all that someone gone through, but the ending is beautiful anyways. Sort of like a bittersweet ending...
(i.e. Tomoyo & Tomoya's efforts did not result in a 'perfect ending', but it's not that their life was not meaningful... something like that)
Unfortunately, the fans reception was less than favorable, especially with Key's history of a miracle... so the epilogue was added in the PS2 version:
So instead of dying, Tomoya falls into another coma, and supposedly wakes up, reuniting with Tomoyo.
(Of course, it can also be taken as a scene where Tomoyo has finished living her life, and has reunited with Tomoya in the afterlife..)
Personally I prefer the original ending, as the altered ending sort of cheapens the whole aftermath of the surgery... but good endings are always nice.
IMO, "Tomoyo After" really fleshed out Tomoyo and Tomoya's character, giving much more character depth to the two, as well as a resolution to their relationship. In Clannad, nothing really happened in their line in terms of character development. TA's definately the reason that I like Tomoyo so much. :)
@ eMpTy265 and Tangowr
Thanks for the clarification. I actually understand most of the ending, with the exception of the whole:
PC only "Tomoya dying soon after the major operation"
Methinks they should have gone the whole hog for the PS2 ending actually (either change it completely, or stick to the original, more moving ending), but I suppose I shall settle for it. GAAAAHHH~~~!!!! Reading this thread spoilt my entire day. T_T
I'd assumed that there was a:
happy end
in both versions and I'd considered the whole thing closed for myself. I suppose I shouild put getting the CS edtion on the top of my list now. I feel like knocking the writer of TA on the head for this now. How dare they treat Tomoyo like this~~~~ :frustrated:
And eMpTy265...
One of the reasons I really like Tomoyo's story was because of her perseverance. I don't think I've ever played a game before this where I truly felt that the heroine's feelings towards the main character were real. Truly one of the most powerful scenes I've ever seen. (Next to the farewell scene in Little Busters. XD) Which makes Key's slap in the face to Tomoyo even more jarring and annoying. :frustrated: It's definitely a beautiful but bittersweet ending.
I may still want to PM one of you two for some additional qns. XD Hope you don't mind.
mr_winkie
2007-11-02, 13:21
Well that certainly explains a lot of details I missed - especially since the the last part of it was very text-heavy (I relied on spoken Japanese and AGTH when I played Tomoyo After).
I remembered that in the PC version that Tomoya, from my interpretation, that he fell and hit his head while salvaging for usable materials to rebuild/refurbish the school but I didn't know how serious it was and didn't give it a second thought. It cut from the scene when Tomoyo (in the bear costume) talking to Tomo to when Tomoya woke up in the hospital with amnesia.
Still, regardless...
Tomoyo's game was by far the most touching I've played in a while -- she went though a lot over the span of three years. The most emotional part was when Tomoya wakes up again in the hospital and Tomoyo, after asking if he remembered her, said that she was Tomoyo Okazaki and (after cutting to the CG of their hands wearing wedding bands) that they were family.
I assumed like the others have that after his operation, he made a recovery of sorts because the ending credits shows a few CG still of Tomoya going through Physical Therapy with Tomoyo at his side and everything turned out for the better. But now knowing the full story it really makes the ending really profound.
There's one thing that I wondered about though....
I saw video of the PS2 ending on Youtube not too long ago with Tomo talking to I assume a hospitalized Tomoya - any importance of that scene?
eMpTy265
2007-11-03, 01:54
<removed for length>
I'm not certain about the details of the operation, but it was implied that the operation did not go 100% successfully.
I suppose something screwed up, or that Tomoya's brain functionality was screwed after the operation.
The fact that Tomoya was going to die soon made the remaining time more signifficant to Tomoya and Tomoyo:
-- After 3 years of waiting, Tomoyo only gets to spend a short while with Tomoya before parting eternally. Yet, it is OK because they had discovered what is their treasure in life.
Such a touching scene, sad as it may be.
I felt the PS2's miracle sort of cheapened the 'enlightment' that Tomoyo attained...
Well that certainly explains a lot of details I missed - especially since the the last part of it was very text-heavy (I relied on spoken Japanese and AGTH when I played Tomoyo After).
I remembered that in the PC version that Tomoya, from my interpretation, that he fell and hit his head while salvaging for usable materials to rebuild/refurbish the school but I didn't know how serious it was and didn't give it a second thought. It cut from the scene when Tomoyo (in the bear costume) talking to Tomo to when Tomoya woke up in the hospital with amnesia.
Yup, it wasn't until Tomoyo spilled out the truth that we realized that 3 years had passed, and that this is the n-th time that Tomoya's woken up in the unfamilar room. Then the 'oh $@#' realization comes in, where we find out what Tomoyo's been living through. (Definately worse than if Tomoya just died...)
To make things worse, the final fate of their 3 year journey... I swear Tomoyo became a saint at the end, and uncovered all the truths to life. :p
P.S.
The last CG with Tomoyo and Tomoya on the wheelchair should be the scene where 'the sun sets'. Considering how Tomoya is still wearing the cap covering his head after the surgery, it should not have been a long time since the surgery 'failed'...
I thought in the end it was nothing more then a dream since Im kinda mad that tomoya died in the end
Meh, I'm still pissed over finding out about what really happened... but I was thinking a bit about something. I had a thought that if by some stroke of fortune/misfortune, and Kyo-Ani does do a Tomoyo After OVA or something... which ending would they choose to flesh out? Or better yet... ...might they give us the long awaited happy end in full animation? And even if they don't, I suppose it'll be better to once and for all sort out if Tomoya does die in the end or if he'll wake up/survive the op in the end. Hell, I'd like some closure and a nice ending for Tomoyo.
Anyway, my thoughts on the whole issue? I wonder if this isn't Key's not so subtle way of telling the fans not to bug them for sequels. :heh: (Yes, I did read that thing that was mentioned about the writer Maeda. Tis just a joke.)
We should all start getting worried if Key announces a Kyou/Kotomo/Fuuko After. :heh:
eMpTy265
2007-11-04, 17:55
I'd die if they did the last PS2 scene with a dream sequence setting :frustrated:
Especially if they draw Tomoyo and Tomoya in shades of light colors...
***
Anyways... I think we've really gone on a tangent with TA... maybe we should get a sub-thread.. (j/k)
Then again, there isn't much for Tomoyo discussion in ep.5... save for the chance that Misae might replace Tomoyo as the Sunohara killer...
harukamae
2007-11-20, 22:04
TA is a tear-jerker? Jun Maeda lives to make people cry, doesn't he? ;-)
I love Tomoyo and I'm looking forward to seeing her character develop outside of beating up Sunohara.
But until her route, I'm totally content with the 500-hit combos.
Robotnik
2007-11-30, 02:49
Looks like the Tomoyo After manga that just ran in Dragon Age Pure follows in the spirit of the PC game ending. Granted that all I know of Clannad is from watching the current anime, but manga Tomoyo is *so* emotional compared to her stoic self in the show. But of course it makes sense in the circumstances...
Well, from what I've read about Tomoyo After,
It is sad that things turned out the way they did with Tomoya - but who is to say that her own story ends there?
Presumably, if she is still in her mid-twenties when he dies/coma-goes-into, she still has most of the rest of her own life to find someone new, and who is to say that said new person wouldn't be as good as, if not better, for her than Tomoya was?
If the author wished to point out that sometimes life doesn't work out the way we hoped (I'm sure the poor bastards in Darfur would have loved to have the kind of issues that your average Western family have to deal with, in comparison) it also stands to reason that it doesn't always turn out the way one resigns oneself to.
Perhaps there is a story waiting to be told, with Tomoyo as the protagonist, in which she goes on to make the most out of her life, with or without meeting someone new along the way? For one thing, she seems to have a lot of potential in her own life that is seemingly set aside for Tomoya's sake - potential which is quite probably fulfilled in timelines where Tomoya shacked up with someone else anyway - so what if the time would come for her to make the most of her talents and abilities, for the sake of her own life, and for those around her?
Of course, the time she spent with Tomoya would always have meaning for her - but it need not be the end of her story.
And oh yeah - Tomoyo is the best, though I might prefer her not to settle for Tomoya, and to find her own path instead...
tripperazn
2007-12-11, 23:19
It is sad that things turned out the way they did with Tomoya - but who is to say that her own story ends there?
Presumably, if she is still in her mid-twenties when he dies/coma-goes-into, she still has most of the rest of her own life to find someone new, and who is to say that said new person wouldn't be as good as, if not better, for her than Tomoya was?
If the author wished to point out that sometimes life doesn't work out the way we hoped (I'm sure the poor bastards in Darfur would have loved to have the kind of issues that your average Western family have to deal with, in comparison) it also stands to reason that it doesn't always turn out the way one resigns oneself to.
Perhaps there is a story waiting to be told, with Tomoyo as the protagonist, in which she goes on to make the most out of her life, with or without meeting someone new along the way? For one thing, she seems to have a lot of potential in her own life that is seemingly set aside for Tomoya's sake - potential which is quite probably fulfilled in timelines where Tomoya shacked up with someone else anyway - so what if the time would come for her to make the most of her talents and abilities, for the sake of her own life, and for those around her?
Of course, the time she spent with Tomoya would always have meaning for her - but it need not be the end of her story.
IMO, that is the most touching part of Tomoyo's story. The fact that she is willing to inhibit her own potential for the sake of being with Tomoya is the main reason I look forward to playing the Tomoyo arc after the patch is released. I guess other people just aren't as into self-sacrificing love as I am. :heh:
IMO, that is the most touching part of Tomoyo's story. The fact that she is willing to inhibit her own potential for the sake of being with Tomoya is the main reason I look forward to playing the Tomoyo arc after the patch is released. I guess other people just aren't as into self-sacrificing love as I am. :heh:
Well,
In the idea I was stating, there still would be that - but I don't think that Tomoya himself would want her to sacrifice her potential, or the good she could do for others, by giving it all up for his sake. And if he did die, I'm sure he'd want her to live on and do her best.
Yes, love is a powerful thing - but there are times when the best way to show that love is to let go, and start anew.
ok dunno if this is the place to ask?
But is their a guide to help you get 100% on Tomoyo After and does AGTH and Atlas version 13 work since i tried it and some of the words translate to gibberish is their a site to add new words to it?
Dunno if this is the place correct me if this isn't.
anyone who played the game... this is gonna be a major spoiler
did tomoya die? from what i heard there are extra cg scenes in ps2 version which confirm this (image of tomoyo alone after tomoya miracle recovery, which kinda tell that tomoya died afterwards) which of course i dont know, because i dont own the PS2 version, please someone enlighten me
As an aside, has anyone here seen the Tomoyo After manga yet? Apparently a bound volume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyo_After:_It%27s_a_Wonderful_Life#Manga) has been released in Japan, and it's written from Tomoyo's perspective as opposed to Tomoya's...
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-19, 21:25
As an aside, has anyone here seen the Tomoyo After manga yet? Apparently a bound volume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyo_After:_It%27s_a_Wonderful_Life#Manga) has been released in Japan, and it's written from Tomoyo's perspective as opposed to Tomoya's...
Seen. I have it, in fact.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-19, 23:31
Cool.
Any good?
It's okay, although I HATE the drawing.
sapphirearcz
2007-12-23, 07:46
Just finished with the chinese translated TA.. The last few sentences Tomoyo typed at the end really brought my tears out... Does anyone have translations for the OP and ED songs?
About the TA manga:
*Aside from the difference in perspective, how different, if at all, is the story from that told in the TA game?
*Did the manga authors keep the ero from the PC version of TA, swap it out for the non-ero scenes in the PS2 version, or just not refer to those moments at all?
*How far into the TA story does the first bound volume go?
Hypertaost
2007-12-25, 18:05
anyone who played the game... this is gonna be a major spoiler
did tomoya die? from what i heard there are extra cg scenes in ps2 version which confirm this (image of tomoyo alone after tomoya miracle recovery, which kinda tell that tomoya died afterwards) which of course i dont know, because i dont own the PS2 version, please someone enlighten me
I've never played the ps2 version, but if that was true, then there would be no tomoyo after or the after school story, so I don't think it's true.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-12-25, 18:27
I've never played the ps2 version, but if that was true, then there would be no tomoyo after or the after school story, so I don't think it's true.
Wait, we're talking about the ending of TA.....
You should read correctly.
ZhangKhaiEn
2008-01-01, 17:57
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Tomyo_After_-_Dear_Shining_Memories_manga_cover.jpg
Some facts:
official title: 智代アフター ~Dear Shining Memories~ (Tomoyo After ~Dear Shining Memories~)
drawn by: 住吉文子 (Sumiyoshi Yukiko)
serialized in: ドラゴンエイジピュア(Dragon Age Pure) between 4/20/07 and 10/20/07
tankobon released in: 12/08/07
number of volumes: 1
number of chapters: 4
genre: Drama, Romance
Does it contain hentai? No.
Does it contain ecchi? Yes, but very very lightly.
While the story was, of course, compressed (4 big chapters), the main deal remained the same more or less. It's as funny and moving as the game itself. The ending was just as dramatic too. Definitely a must-read for the CLANNAD fan.
And yes, the ending is more or less the same as the PC game.
I'd post snippets of the manga here, but I'm not sure if it is allowed.
so that follow the tomoyo after a wonderful life game?
ZhangKhaiEn
2008-01-02, 07:32
It's a condensed manga adaptation of the story, and yes, it does follow it albeit not so closely.
It's a condensed manga adaptation of the story, and yes, it does follow it albeit not so closely.
i guess i'll have to look around for that manga volume when its scanlated using google.
ReizoSan
2008-01-02, 12:55
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Tomyo_After_-_Dear_Shining_Memories_manga_cover.jpg
Some facts:
official title: 智代アフター ~Dear Shining Memories~ (Tomoyo After ~Dear Shining Memories~)
drawn by: 住吉文子 (Sumiyoshi Yukiko)
serialized in: ドラゴンエイジピュア(Dragon Age Pure) between 4/20/07 and 10/20/07
tankobon released in: 12/08/07
number of volumes: 1
number of chapters: 4
genre: Drama, Romance
Does it contain hentai? No.
Does it contain ecchi? Yes, but very very lightly.
While the story was, of course, compressed (4 big chapters), the main deal remained the same more or less. It's as funny and moving as the game itself. The ending was just as dramatic too. Definitely a must-read for the CLANNAD fan.
And yes, the ending is more or less the same as the PC game.
I'd post snippets of the manga here, but I'm not sure if it is allowed.
I see they have only made 1 volume and it looks like they won't do no more so does this manga kind of complete a little story or something or does it leave it in a kind of cliffhanger?.
ZhangKhaiEn
2008-01-02, 15:26
It's as complete as it can be. :)
Is their a chinese scan of the tomoyo after manga ?
ZhangKhaiEn
2008-01-02, 16:14
Is their a chinese scan of the tomoyo after manga ?
None that me and my friends know of. But there MUST be one somewhere out there already.
CrowKenobi
2008-01-02, 19:23
i guess i'll have to look around for that manga volume when its scanlated using google.Then look now because I found chapter one on a torrent site that shall not be named. :D
:cool:
ZhangKhaiEn
2008-01-02, 20:18
Then look now because I found chapter one on a torrent site that shall not be named. :D
:cool:
I am currently seeding the torrent for all four chapters of them (raw). I wish you luck in searching for it! :)
tripperazn
2008-01-03, 01:18
Lol, it wasn't hard to find...at all. Please help seed, guys.
Then look now because I found chapter one on a torrent site that shall not be named. :D
:cool:
ty, noted down. will search tomorow
I am currently seeding the torrent for all four chapters of them (raw). I wish you luck in searching for it! :)
i think i already found that then or atleast 1 site.
hmm somehow my lame torrent isn't downloading fast right now <
just a heads up, the chapter 2 scanlation is out. i dont think it will take very long for the other 2 chapters to be scanlated from wat i see so far.
Klashikari
2008-01-29, 09:30
All information about TA have been moved from Tomoyo Character Discussion Thread.
Please keep everything related to Tomoyo After in this said thread, leaving everything related to CLANNAD Tomoyo in her character discussion thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=56629).
Also, just in case: please do not mention about the recent fake translation project. Any fishy rumor, pranks and so forth will not be tolerated. That said, use your own discretion to post solid points about a translaiton project (if there is one, of course).
germanturkey
2008-01-29, 19:11
didn't klashikari say not to mention it...
anyways, i read a quick synopsis of TA, and i would LOVE for them to animate this
mandarb916
2008-01-29, 20:56
anyways, i read a quick synopsis of TA, and i would LOVE for them to animate this
I'm not sure if I would prefer the PC or PS2 version to be animated...maybe it's because I played Clannad Afterstory 1st round and Tomoyo After back to back, but man, I was really depressed from all the tragedy :(
In some regards, the bad end for Tomoyo After is better than the true end...
didn't klashikari say not to mention it...
anyways, i read a quick synopsis of TA, and i would LOVE for them to animate this
nvm, i pm'd klashikari for clarification.
I was in the mood to play a short galge in the past 2 days, and I somehow picked tomoyo after (PC) even though I haven't completed CLANNAD yet, including Tomoyo's route. So, I finished the bad ending, then I went for the true ending. It was already a bit late in the midnight when I decided to go for it, but since I already picked the last choice in game (that would lead to the ending), I thought it wouldn't take much longer. It turned out to be much, much longer than I expected, and I ended up staying up the whole night. Now I can't help but to let out what I feel in words here.
Don't read ahead if you haven't played the game, mainly 1)it contains major spoilers, and 2)it might destroy your desire of playing it.
I really wouldn't call that a "bittersweet" ending. Maybe if the true ending stopped at where they left the village, it could be a bittersweet ending, but this is just too much. Seeing how tomoyo after is the 3rd time that I've seen something involving memory lost in the past 3 months (Chihiro in ef, Miumi in Memories Off #5, and now Tomoya in this), I thought I would be numb to such setting, but boy was I wrong. When it said the surgery's chance of success was less than half, I already knew it would be very likely not a happy ending, but... okay, Tomoyo might have said that she and Tomoya found the treasures of their lives, and how she would help others to find theirs, blah blah blah. I haven't played Tomoyo's route in CLANNAD so I don't know her background story, but from the "selfish" point of view, what exactly did she do to deserve letting go of her sister whom she treasured so much to stay with her mom, who didn't have many days left, and then spending 3 years with Tomoya who kept forgetting about her, then even though Tomoya recovered his memory from the surgery, she only got to stay with him for a short period of time before an eternal farewell? Is that really a "wonderful life"?
Key, thank you so much for ruining my day. I'm completely worn out right now yet I can't fall asleep.
Maybe I will try to challenge DUNGEONS & TAKAFUMIS later on today to lighten up my mood, even though I'm not sure if that will work out.
mandarb916
2008-01-30, 23:47
I really wouldn't call that a "bittersweet" ending. Maybe if the true ending stopped at where they left the village, it could be a bittersweet ending, but this is just too much. Seeing how tomoyo after is the 3rd time that I've seen something involving memory lost in the past 3 months (Chihiro in ef, Miumi in Memories Off #5, and now Tomoya in this), I thought I would be numb to such setting, but boy was I wrong. When it said the surgery's chance of success was less than half, I already knew it would be very likely not a happy ending, but... okay, Tomoyo might have said that she and Tomoya found the treasures of their lives, and how she would help others to find theirs, blah blah blah. I haven't played Tomoyo's route in CLANNAD so I don't know her background story, but from the "selfish" point of view, what exactly did she do to deserve letting go of her sister whom she treasured so much to stay with her mom, who didn't have many days left, and then spending 3 years with Tomoya who kept forgetting about her, then even though Tomoya recovered his memory from the surgery, she only got to stay with him for a short period of time before an eternal farewell? Is that really a "wonderful life"?
Key, thank you so much for ruining my day. I'm completely worn out right now yet I can't fall asleep.
It's rather hard to swallow, but at the same time, I think the ending was just that: "bittersweet"
She lost Tomoya in a physical sense, but at the same time, she learned that their love was eternal...no matter how many times they separated, they've never changed their feelings towards each other. These shouldn't be spoilers as they were in this game too. Their 8 month separation after Tomoyo became student council president...their short separation while Tomoya decided to follow his heart for Tomo...their long 3 year separation of cyclic loss of memory...each time, they're still in love. While Tomoya's loss is painful, the eternal idealistic love that she knows of gives her the strength to move forward.
That love is the ultimate treasure of her life and having that intangible treasure gives her life meaning, depth, and ultimately makes it a wonderful life for her. It's a hard concept to swallow... :/
I've never played the ps2 version, but if that was true, then there would be no tomoyo after or the after school story, so I don't think it's true.
actually i was talking about tomoyo after ending, not clannad ending :heh:
but yea, can someone do enlighten me whether
tomoya died or not, there are hints everywhere that kinda shown that he is indeed dead after that surgery, but im still kinda skeptical :( deep inside i just dont want him to die leaving tomoyo like that.. jesus
Same opinion as above. Is there like a "good" ending?
germanturkey
2008-02-09, 17:58
from what i've read and conceived myself, its all down to interpretation. you can go either way with that one. i believe the devs and writer left it open ended for the gamer to decide.
ps, i'm perfectly alright with the depressing stuff since i'm normally a happy go lucky optimistic person. it balances me out. i was "normal" for days after i finished AIR...
mandarb916
2008-02-09, 18:14
Same opinion as above. Is there like a "good" ending?
well, it's technically noted as a "bad ending" but...
if you opt to have sex with Tomoyo instead of building the school for Tomo, Kanako and Takafumi eventually leave Tomoya's apartment, Tomo stays with Tomoya/Tomoyo (god that's confusing...) and Tomoya/Tomoyo's relationship takes on a much more physical aspect than an emotional aspect (no additional CG for this part) and they go on with life together for better or for worse.
I see, I read the manga and was upset with the ending so I gave up on the game.
So the "good ending" is
Tomoya's YOU ARE DIE?
TrueKnight
2008-02-10, 00:30
I see, I read the manga and was upset with the ending so I gave up on the game.
Well the PS 2 version supposedly had different version of the ending where Tomoya actually ended up uniting with Tomoyo after the coma.
But yeah, the manga/PC versions were just too depressing. Yeah, it tells you to move on with life and all but where the hell is the "wonderful life"? Sorry but that just not my cup of tea.
The whole manga's been scanlated, and I've put it up.
PM me if you want a link.
germanturkey
2008-02-10, 02:35
yeah, so i read the manga. quite the depressant if you ask me.. its very sweet and heartwarming, but also very bitter. i really hope they animate it.
some of the frames in the manga were drawn in a style i didn't particularly like and took away from the seriousness of the story. but aside from that, the story was great.
But yeah, the manga/PC versions were just too depressing. Yeah, it tells you to move on with life and all but where the hell is the "wonderful life"? Sorry but that just not my cup of tea.
Exactly. I'm an optimistic person who grew up in a tough situation (and still am), so I'm definitely not a happy-go-lucky person who can't understand sadness, but I'm also not a desperate person who can't see hope in bitterness. However, no matter from which viewpoint I look at tomoyo after's story, there's no way I can see it as a "wonderful" life. Just can't. Call me shallow or whatever, but I would rather go for the "bad" ending.
Yes, Tomoya did die in PC version, there're enough implication in the lines. I'm too lazy to go back to the game to quote them though, but if someone earnestly requests so, I might consider it. :p
yeah, so i read the manga. quite the depressant if you ask me.. its very sweet and heartwarming, but also very bitter. i really hope they animate it.
I also think it's a good animation material, but if they really do, I'll urge them to change the subtitle to "It's a Horrible Life", if they stick to the original ending.
well after reading the manga... yea i think it is kinda confirmed that he is indeed dead.. sigh man even i got teary eyed when reading the last chapter
AuditionEX
2008-02-11, 04:21
Bad ending.. poor tomoya :(
I dont cry on mangas no matter how sad will it be. XD
anyway.. for Tomoyo, hmm.. nice gained moral to her own future. it really helps a lot.
Well the PS 2 version supposedly had different version of the ending where Tomoya actually ended up uniting with Tomoyo after the coma.
By uniting you mean... Lovers suicide?!? :uhoh:
toxic_trance
2008-02-11, 10:41
I couldnt stop myself from reading the manga..and boy..why the hell did Tomoya have to die. Seeing Clannad after that feels similar to watching home videos of my grandparents who passed away .
Neway..quite the sad story, and the title i must say is misleading. I was expecting some more problems on family lines and strengthening of Tomoyo and Tomoya's relation. But i was really saddened by the ending. A nice manga.. but a bit too sad for my liking
bombsaces
2008-02-11, 17:19
Man Key knows how to make you sad, even if it involved killing of the main character.
I read the scanlations the other day, it was nicely done, had some decent comedy, but wow the ending still gets me, so bittersweet.
At first I thought that 4 chapters would be too short to cover everything in Tomoyo After, but I think they handled the key points quite well, even though a lot of the drama is toned down.
I liked how they tied in everything as a dream and threw out that ending to the 3rd chapter out of nowhere. Their final scene together was a bit too fast for my tastes though, even with the manga's fast pacing.
Interested in seeing how the tomoyo dearest manga will turn out now.
So, I just finished the Tomoyo arc tonight and read the Manga right after. That is pretty depressing of a story. Something tells me that the manga skipped over a lot of stuff and just highlighted the main events of the story.
Nothing like I had expected. Also, isn't Tomo Tomoyo's half sister?
Julius Firefocht
2008-02-14, 06:14
I just read the Tomoyo After manga. Tears came out just as I finished the last chapter. It did not help that it was Valentine's Day.
Now, if KyoAni were to animate this as an OVA series, it would be absolutely beautiful. I think Tomoyo's stock just rose even further within my heart.
TomoyoSakagami
2008-02-14, 07:46
It would be beautiful if KyoAni would animate this, but even if there was that posibilliaty...it would be ages away T_T
mandarb916
2008-02-14, 14:27
It would be beautiful if KyoAni would animate this, but even if there was that posibilliaty...it would be ages away T_T
Don't know about that....considering the renewed interest in Clannad, and as a result Tomoyo After, it's possible (from a business perspective atleast) to ride the wave and animate Tomoyo After, soon.
Hell, the game itself is selling, used for an upwards of $150 (give or take) right now in Japan...for something that's over 2 years old. It'd be a prime opportunity for this to be animated...just hope that if that does happen, they don't do the PS2 end...really made it a shallow ending compared to the PC version.
AuditionEX
2008-02-14, 15:58
Is there a Kyou after story? manga or translated novel please.
Klashikari
2008-02-14, 16:01
Is there a Kyou after story? manga or translated novel please.
as I already answered (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1392636&postcount=359), until it is a very discrete novel format (like yukine in Clannad another stories), no there isn't any of these, let alone translated.
AuditionEX
2008-02-14, 16:05
^ i see. kthnxbai. :)
i read the manga and really want to forget about it immediately after, because it is to much depressing, i will pretend it never happened and whatever the ending of the TV is for me then the "true" ending with hopefully NOONE dying or wtf i am going to send a letter bomb to KyoAni department or scriptwriter!
mandarb916
2008-02-14, 18:31
someone's doing a Kyou After, on their spare time using Tomoyo After as a basis for fun :P (ie. not lisenced or by Key...might be able to find something on youtube...it's on nicovideo for sure)
As for the reaction about the PC version of Tomoyo After, I think that's the main reason why it was dumbed down for the PS2. While it's a sad ending, I think it's also the death of Tomoya which makes this such a beautiful story. Admittedly, when a track from the soundtrack comes on, I sometimes shed a tear or 2...
damn the manga really didnt end as i expected, i'll just pretend tomoya survived that ordeal. wat was the "good end" for the tomoyo after story?
Klashikari
2008-02-15, 21:05
This is basically the end of the PS2 version, where the epilogue is extended:
There is a scene where Tomoya woke up after he fall in coma, as result of the surgery.
Tomoyo waited for him all this time, etc.
Either Tomoya is alive, or it is a big metaphor that they meet in afterlife or so (rather the first option
This is basically the end of the PS2 version, where the epilogue is extended:
There is a scene where Tomoya woke up after he fall in coma, as result of the surgery.
Tomoyo waited for him all this time, etc.
Either Tomoya is alive, or it is a big metaphor that they meet in afterlife or so (rather the first option
ty, though the manga was interesting enuff to keep my attention.
the manga sure do a fine job in wrapping tomoyo after in just 4 chapter bravo = ) ughh key why can you invoke my inner emotion with your story telling, dammit = ( but then i'm deeply pleased, i love torturing myself with sad story and end up depressed the whole day lol
germanturkey
2008-02-15, 22:51
after ep 18, it would seem the tomoyo arc is over. who wants to start an online petition to animate tomoyo after.. lol
after ep 18, it would seem the tomoyo arc is over. who wants to start an online petition to animate tomoyo after.. lol
i would as long as they dont chose the wrong ending for it.
which ending is the wrong one x207 san :heh:
which ending is the wrong one x207 san :heh:
the one dear shining memories had. a coma is condition that is serious enuff as it is imo.
germanturkey
2008-02-16, 00:25
i would prefer the ps2 ending, as it leaves it open to interpretation. having read the manga, i think its much more impactful to say
that tomoya died, and tomoyo lived her life as she wanted afterwards, but in the afterlife, she was together with him because that's how committed she was.it seems much sweeter and much more powerful that way.
Hmm... i all depends. If you don't believe in the after life it just seems like an empty delusion... something that makes it all the sadder, if that was possible ;)
Speaking of the manga, has it been translated into English yet?
Klashikari
2008-02-16, 07:19
yes, it has been completely translated by anon.
Speaking of the manga, has it been translated into English yet?
use your google skills, it shouldnt be too hard to find.
Got it.
Very sad...
...but I still believe that Tomoyo's own story is only just beginning.
Or, at least, I hope that would be the case.
Am I the only one that likes the PS2 ending for the game?
I like PS2 ending because it reminds me a bit of the Fate/stay night PS2 game, the Last Episode one, with Shirou and Saber.
Again, I've uploaded the whole scanlated manga onto DDL and MU, pm me if you want a link.
Am I the only one that likes the PS2 ending for the game?
I like PS2 ending because it reminds me a bit of the Fate/stay night PS2 game, the Last Episode one, with Shirou and Saber.
The Tomoyo fanboyism within me wants to like PS2 ending, but the PC ending is just more impressive.
My problem with the PS2 ending is that it seems to pull a "lol j/k" on you and weaken the whole purpose of the original ending. If they were gonna end with a happy end like that I would've liked a bit more closure, but instead we get a very brief conclusion that feels very rushed.
I really like all the extra scenes added in the PS2 version however.
Used Can
2008-02-19, 15:58
I've read the PS2 version is slightly different from the PC one. What are those differences (beside the lack of porn)? I've read they added new scenes but, are those new scenes just the replacement for the h-ones, or actual extra content?
Also, regarding the ending in the PS2 version: Do the players have to make any specific choices to get it (whilst still being able to get the sad/original ending), or was it simply the original ending but retconned? I've got another question, has Maeda had any word on the PS2's ending? Did he give any reason for the addition of a new ending? I'd assume that maybe fanboys complained and so they added a new ending but, I also remember that Air's and Planetarian's endings, so far, have remained unchanged.
Anyway, I liked this game. The feeling was similar to Clannad's After Story but, for some reason, it felt a bit more mature. The way Tomoya and Tomoyo grew together and built their own family was really nice. The way their feelings toward each other was portrayed was really beautiful, in my opinion.
Also, even if I do not like J-Pop myself, I ended up downloading "Light Colors;" strangely, that song appealed to me.
The PS2 version has extra scenes, which lead to happier endings I guess you would say.
Used Can
2008-02-22, 03:05
The PS2 version has extra scenes, which lead to happier endings I guess you would say.
With extra scenes you mean the one after the credits? Or are you telling me that in order to get that scene the player has to check some new scenes in the game and make specific choices?
LightElf7
2008-02-22, 06:10
I jut read the Manga, and I feel sooo down!~
I didnt play the PC version so I cant say for sure, but I dont think the differences between the PS2 and PC versions are very important.
I mean both follow the same storyline, and yea there may be some extra scenes and some editing (like getting the H-scene out in the PS2), but I dont think it'll be very different. Its the same story with a slightly different ending.
By the way, does anyone know where you can purchase the PC version? I had to buy an extra Japanese PS2 so I could play the Tomoyo After PS2 version (stupid Region Code stuff), but since I cant carry a PS2 and a TV with me everywhere, I am quite fond of having the PC one.
I am not sure if it is allowed to post something like this here, but if anyone has a clue as where I can get the PC version, can someone at least PM me?
is there any translation project like CLANNAD?
i really want to play this game, especially for seeing tomoyo :D (i start to loved her after playing her route in CLANNAD)
too bad i can't read japanese, so i going to ask in this forum about translation.
oh, and last question
about tomoyo after (manga version), where can i find this scanned ? or it doesn't exist for now
sorry for bad gramma through.
thx.
bombsaces
2008-02-22, 10:08
after ep 18, it would seem the tomoyo arc is over. who wants to start an online petition to animate tomoyo after.. lol
They need to do a Planetarian OVA before that.
KeynArts
2008-02-22, 14:39
Can anyone please tell me where to buy the game Tomoyo After -It's a Wonderful Life- in PC verison ( not in PS2) i would really love to know it.
Used Can
2008-02-22, 15:27
I didnt play the PC version so I cant say for sure, but I dont think the differences between the PS2 and PC versions are very important.
One or two days ago, on a different site, I read that the extra content in the PS2 version added 2 or 3 hours of additional gameplay. What I wanted to know was if those extra scenes are related to the new/additional end.
By the way, does anyone know where you can purchase the PC version?
Can anyone please tell me where to buy the game Tomoyo After -It's a Wonderful Life- in PC verison ( not in PS2) i would really love to know it.
The PC version is out of print. The only way you may found it would be in auctions.
is there any translation project like CLANNAD?
velocity7's project:
http://forums.visualnews.net/showthread.php?t=16671
about tomoyo after (manga version), where can i find this scanned ? or it doesn't exist for now
Look for it in Rapidsearch.
The extra scenes in the PS2 version are supplements to the plot, they're not directly tied to getting some secret ending or anything. The "good" ending is still the same as the PC version with the exception of that extended scene already mentioned.
I saw a couple extra scenes (or perhaps all of them) from the PS2 version from a playlist on nicovideo (all of them were removed, unfortunately). From what I remember, I would guess there was about 60 minutes of content. But then again my memory is really foggy and I haven't played the PS2 version myself.
Used Can
2008-02-22, 18:38
The extra scenes in the PS2 version are supplements to the plot, they're not directly tied to getting some secret ending or anything. The "good" ending is still the same as the PC version with the exception of that extended scene already mentioned.
I didn't mean a secret ending, or anything of the sort. What I was asking was that if in the new scenes there was some sort of option which triggered the additional scene after the ending credits. You know, as in, if you do not make that option (or watch that scene) then you get the sad/original end. Anyway, that doesn't seem to be the case.
So, in the end, the PS2's ending is a retcon, no? (Well, they never explicitly said Tomoya died in the original ending, they just heavily implied it.)
One or two days ago, on a different site, I read that the extra content in the PS2 version added 2 or 3 hours of additional gameplay. What I wanted to know was if those extra scenes are related to the new/additional end.
The PC version is out of print. The only way you may found it would be in auctions.
velocity7's project:
http://forums.visualnews.net/showthread.php?t=16671
Look for it in Rapidsearch.
oh, i wonder how long this project 'till it finish :D
really want to play it as english language:)
Farplaner
2008-04-19, 17:51
I'm currently playing this game...
Edit: after continuing the story I found out the answer to my own question about Tomo's mother...
Also, about Takafumi:
Did his running coach die? I get the part about the last words from the coach after he threw himself into a car in Tomoyo's story, but I was a bit confused about him not hearing anything from the coach ever again. I also don't understand why he left Kanako... Is it because he felt like he ruined everybody's dreams?
mandarb916
2008-04-22, 08:02
i don't remember what happened with the track/x-country coach, but takafumi was basically expelled from the team and more or less Kanako's family for treating his own life so lightly (ie. attempted suicide)
Farplaner
2008-04-22, 08:41
Yeah, that part I understood. It just seemed weird to me that after being like a family for a while, everybody would just cut their relationship away from him and not even try to understand him a bit...
mandarb916
2008-04-22, 11:53
Yeah, that part I understood. It just seemed weird to me that after being like a family for a while, everybody would just cut their relationship away from him and not even try to understand him a bit...
Everyone didn't. Kanako's father did, and basically forbade Takafumi from seeing Kanako any further...I don't think Kanako left Takafumi on her own accord...it's been a while since I played this game so things are a little hazy.
Farplaner
2008-04-25, 07:35
Just finished the game... and during the replaying of some scenes I found out about the "Dungeons and Takafumis" minigame I can play (I guess this is only available after you beat the game?)! lol :D
Thought about the story
First off, I played the PC version - sad ending. I thought the game wasn't as sad as I thought it would be (maybe because I prepared myself?) The last story was really sad, but I thought the previous stories were more feel-good stories than "making you cry" types of stories. I definitely cried a lot more during Clannad's Tomoyo ending.
This is not to say the final ending wasn't sad... It was really sad. I wish I could see Kanako, Takafumi and Tomo one last time after Tomoya's surgery, but they ended up only getting shown during the ED...
If this gets animated in the future, I'd be overjoyed! I'd love to see Kanako animated, lol :D
crusnick
2008-04-25, 11:53
Hello well, I just wanna know Can i play the game after watching only the anime?
I haven't watched the movie yet and I don't want to miss any story side!!
tnx for Help :D
Kaisos Erranon
2008-04-25, 12:45
If this gets animated in the future, I'd be overjoyed! I'd love to see Kanako animated, lol :D
She makes a cameo appearance in episode 6 of the anime.
Farplaner
2008-04-25, 14:39
Hello well, I just wanna know Can i play the game after watching only the anime?
I haven't watched the movie yet and I don't want to miss any story side!!
tnx for Help :D
Wait until you watch ep24 (the Tomoyo story) before playing the game and you should be okay (if they do a good job on it)
As for Kanako cameo in Clannad... I need to go watch that ep again!
Kaisos Erranon
2008-04-25, 16:54
Hello well, I just wanna know Can i play the game after watching only the anime?
I haven't watched the movie yet and I don't want to miss any story side!!
tnx for Help :D
Don't watch the movie, it's a terrible adaptation. Try the game out, it's amazing.
crusnick
2008-04-26, 01:09
Wait until you watch ep24 (the Tomoyo story) before playing the game and you should be okay (if they do a good job on it)
Ah that's Good!
Thanks for Help, I'll wait :)
ChronoReverse
2008-04-29, 15:17
Gah. Why did I have to read this story. Such a cruel path to lay out for Tomoyo (I would even say sick and twisted if not for the strong themes and the knowledge of the reasoning behind) and yet the whole thing is still beautiful and fitting.
I don't think I'd have the mental fortitude to ever do something like this to my characters even if I determined to write something a little deeper.
Allithus
2008-05-01, 22:36
about the ps2 version which i hadn't played but red a lot on and seen the ending on youtube
I think tomoya's dead at the end and the very last bit(the part which shown tomoya and tomoyo holding hands) is just symbolism or dream. But it doesn't really matter whether tomoya actually died or not. but then again since ps2 version is a R12 game i thought maybe they changed it so a 12 years old can take it in.
from what i can see in clannad and tomoyo after, Tomoyo is emotionally weak and almost all the things Tomoya did in tomoyo after is to protect her mind, remember just before the "after" part Tomoya asked Tomoyo if she have the strength to go on if something happens to him in the future, i never expected it to happen at that time.
What's the real differrence between manga and gamе except Tomoyo point of view ? Any plot differences ? And one more thing... any new rumours about possible translation ?
I just read the Tomoyo After manga... I really don't want to see this animated anymore. Haha. And now I can't listen to "Life is like a Melody" without thinking of the ending, but somehow, the song sounds all the more beautiful for it.
After watching the Clannad movie and now this, I am desperately hoping that the After Story adaptation has a happy ending. It seems like the only way I can really part from the Clannad universe is to know that everything turns out all right in the end.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-06-07, 18:51
I just read the Tomoyo After manga... I really don't want to see this animated anymore. Haha. And now I can't listen to "Life is like a Melody" without thinking of the ending, but somehow, the song sounds all the more beautiful for it.
After watching the Clannad movie and now this, I am desperately hoping that the After Story adaptation has a happy ending. It seems like the only way I can really part from the Clannad universe is to know that everything turns out all right in the end.
ToeiAni is full of crap. Although the movie did show PART of After Story, that's not all of it. Don't worry, it is a happy ending in the end.
ToeiAni is full of crap. Although the movie did show PART of After Story, that's not all of it. Don't worry, it is a happy ending in the end.
Whew... That's good to know. Admittedly I'm really a sucker for happy endings, so while I would still stand by Clannad even if it had a bad ending, it would leave me feeling more unsatisfied than ever, especially after the two downer endings courtesy of the manga and movie continuations.
There were some good stories in Tomoyo After, that I wonder how much they can cram into an episode or two. I wish they would have given at least 5 episodes to work the full story and deliver the hammer at the end of the 4th episode.
Just wondering, while i haven't and dont plan on playing the Game, I am interested in the manga. but Im wondering if the manga is of Eroge style like the game (im not really into the whole ero games or anything) or the the manga more like Clannad (not ecchi/ero and such)
thx
Klashikari
2008-06-17, 07:30
It is completely safe, there isn't any ecchi, let alone ero in it.
However, the manga is VERY compressed, and the art style is not consistant at all. More likely, it is a "too digest" summary of the game.
Farplaner
2008-06-17, 08:50
I think people are too scared of the ero content just because it is what it is. There is almost no H-scene past the first few days of the game, and they all fit the flow of the story - it's not the cosplay BS they did to the PS2 version which made no sense to me.
And if you really don't want them, just hold the ctrl key and skip past those scenes.
Oh my! Baka-Tsuki translation project page (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Tomoyo_After)
June 4, 2008 - Project announced.
Started project to translate Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life to English.
Oh my! Baka-Tsuki translation project page (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Tomoyo_After)
June 4, 2008 - Project announced.
Started project to translate Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life to English.
Nice i waiting for this x.x I gt the game but dunno how to read :heh::heh:
Farplaner
2008-06-20, 09:15
Wow, I'd actually be interested in helping to translate this. The Baka-Tsuki page doesn't seem to have the text available to translate yet though...
Has there ever been any rumors of an anime adaption of this game?
Even though velocity7 has been trying to get a translation project started for probably over 6 months it will most likely take 3 years to complete. And being such an impatient person (that's me :)) I'd be happy just watching an anime version even though I prefer VN's. (don't get me wrong I'm not complaining on how long a translation takes; I know those guys have a hard time trying to finish these projects)
This has probably already been asked (haven't read this thread yet) so shoot me if you like. :p
/me shoots drmr. twice.
The closest you can get to anything indicating an anime version of Tomoyo After is the upcoming DVD only episode which will be based on Tomoyo route in CLANNAD
LustfulEnvy
2008-06-27, 14:11
Tomoyo After the Manga is very sad T_T . Its just as sad as the Clannad Movie, thats all I'll say. But haha, Tomoyo and Tomoya have been getting it on =P
Tomoyo After the Manga is very sad T_T . Its just as sad as the Clannad Movie, thats all I'll say. But haha, Tomoyo and Tomoya have been getting it on =P
you know... the way you put it almost sounds like a sarcasm :p Almost.
/me shoots drmr. twice.
The closest you can get to anything indicating an anime version of Tomoyo After is the upcoming DVD only episode which will be based on Tomoyo route in CLANNAD
Huh?, I thought her route was pretty much covered within the first series? Comes to show how much I know!
Muchas gracias...Oh and thanks for the double shot but luckily for me I pushed Sunohara in front :p.
LustfulEnvy
2008-06-27, 16:07
you know... the way you put it almost sounds like a sarcasm :p Almost.
Haha well the sad part is true. I didn't even noticed that I said it sarcastically. I can't wait for the translation patch to come out, the manga already spoiled it for me though, but oh well.
Haha well the sad part is true. I didn't even noticed that I said it sarcastically. I can't wait for the translation patch to come out, the manga already spoiled it for me though, but oh well.
Yeah well I already made that mistake by watching Kanon tv before the translation was finished, I won't be making that mistake again (nothing worse than spoilers before reading a good VN!, unless the due date for the translation is many years into the future :eyespin:).
Btw whats your sig about?, that wouldn't be the manga you keep mentioning or is it something you made up?
Edit: Whoops your sig just disappeared after my post! so scratch that last question.
LustfulEnvy
2008-06-27, 18:01
Yeah well I already made that mistake by watching Kanon tv before the translation was finished, I won't be making that mistake again (nothing worse than spoilers before reading a good VN!, unless the due date for the translation is many years into the future :eyespin:).
Btw whats your sig about?, that wouldn't be the manga you keep mentioning or is it something you made up?
Edit: Whoops your sig just disappeared after my post! so scratch that last question.
Offtopic (Sorry) http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/cpplace/nyoron.gif
I Didn't make it I just resized it into a sig, Its Churuya-San a chibi version Of Tsuruya from The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya
Back To Topic:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/cpplace/logo.jpg
Tomoyo After: Dear Shining
Thats The Manga Im talking about. Covers parts of the visual novel I think.
One question - is there any english guides for pc version of "Tomoyo After" or full (with a really good discribing of all variants) japanese ?
Farplaner
2008-06-29, 14:35
No English guide that I've found, but I used this:
http://www.platina-server.com/ground_end/Capture/tomoyo.html
A couple of questions :
1) How to start "Dungeons & Takafumis"... emm, i think that i missed this choice in the game.
2) PC version is out of print, any chances or rumours that it will be a reedition right after an another extended reedition of "Little Busters" with ero-scenes ?
3) Tomo's mother has a weak mind (due what ? haven't catch it in dialogs, err...) and she has not many days left, but i don't get it fully enough, she will die because of it or there is something else with her ?
4) Prologue part (some days before the intro) are full with ero-scenes (beautiful enough, but sometimes little perverted too, i can say), i'm interested, how this part is looks like in PS2 version, because there are some jokes based on this scenes like rushed-in Takafumi right after some sex-scenes.
As for addition - Tomoyo After is an another amazing story from Key for me with a really sad-sad ending... Key, keep going, we are waiting for your future beautiful stories, we believe in you.
Farplaner
2008-07-02, 08:56
1) I believe you have to finish the game first before you can get to play D&T... I didn't get it the first play-through but the second time (I was actually rewatching some of my favorite scenes), the D&T scene starts and the new option in the menu showed.
BTW, D&T is one addicting mini-game!!!
3) I don't remember the details, but...
I believe it was said that she has no immediate danger of dying, but she doesn't have a long time to live. I don't remember whether they specified exactly what was wrong, but she has mental problems...
4) I read that they changed the sex scenes to Tomoya making Tomoyo cosplay... which would make no sense to me.
Thanks for some explanations. About D & T - okay, i will check. Also, i heard, if you beat this mini-game you will get some additional scenes (don't know about extra scenes, heard only about extra ero scenes, hmm...)
3) I don't remember the details, but...
Nothing new here for me, but thanks again.
4) I read that they changed the sex scenes to Tomoya making Tomoyo cosplay... which would make no sense to me.
Hmm... Doing this sort of stuff only for all-ages version is kinda funny.
Farplaner
2008-07-02, 10:47
Thanks for some explanations. About D & T - okay, i will check. Also, i heard, if you beat this mini-game you will get some additional scenes (don't know about extra scenes, heard only about extra ero scenes, hmm...)
The mini-game actually have a story - think of it as a mini-arc. The ending is also an emotional one (very sad...)...
Klashikari
2008-07-02, 12:16
to be quite honest, either the cosplay or the ero scenes are kinda over the top and badly written, though the cosplay is indeed even more weird (Tomoyo cosplaying a teacher, nekomimi, bikini, etc). But I must say the first ero, "panties or socks" was kinda disturbing in my books. (not so devient, but indeed pervert in the literal sense).
I think these parts, either PC or PS2 should be overlooked but heh :heh:
"panties or socks"
Oh yes, some kinda perverted, but about "beautifull describing" - if we wil compare this scenes, for example, with Kiminozo... oh... the difference is huge.
AngelSayuri
2008-07-05, 07:22
after ep 18, it would seem the tomoyo arc is over. who wants to start an online petition to animate tomoyo after.. lol
I DO I DO!!! Although I havent read the manga I did read the plot and many reviews and it sounds really interesting. Key are sooo cool after Clannad, Kanon and Air I can't wait for what anime they'll think of next. I really want Tomoyo After to be turned into an anime :hyper-^v^:
Chiu_fan
2008-07-05, 08:01
I've heard that the OVA of Clannad, which would be shown on July 16, would be about this story arc. Most people were posting on Crunchyroll saying that the OVA would be set on the Tomoyo After story line. Is it really true?
P.S. If you want to read the manga, here's a link: Tomoyo After - Dear Shining Memories (http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/series/2967/tomoyo_after_dear_shining_memories/)
No. It's based on Tomoyo's route in Clannad.
Chiu_fan
2008-07-05, 08:27
That's kinda sad to hear tho'. I was hoping that they were going to follow the Tomoyo After story line there. >_<'
So it's just showing Tomoya and Tomoyo dating each other instead of Tomoya with Nagisa then?
Huh, putting the whole story of Tomoyo After with all details into one short OVA ? Very funny, Kyoto will never do this. Key and Kyoto is a good pair, you know, that means (of course, there are some other reasons too), that the other Key games like Planetarian, Tomoyo After, Little Busters will be animated (possible with a real high chance), but when ? No one knows.
So it's just showing Tomoya and Tomoyo dating each other instead of Tomoya with Nagisa then?
Yes. But their story isn't so simple, you know.
Chiu_fan
2008-07-05, 08:43
Well the manga is kinda short. So why not? The manga was pretty much shortened though with just 4 chapters. I think they can fit all of it in within 25 minutes.
Just hope that I still won't feel depressed after reading the whole manga and I hope I won't feel too depressed after watching the OVA episode.
The problem here that manga story is different enough compare to the original game.
I won't feel too depressed after watching the OVA episode
You will, this is an original game ending, but in PS2-version there was an additional scene, that makes this ending a bit happy (or happy, it's impossible really to say so, if you want details to understand why - read this whole topic).
Chiu_fan
2008-07-05, 08:52
Which ending exactly, the first Clannad game or Tomoyo After? I'm kinda confused now which one would really be on the OVA?
Tomoyo After, of course. Or if we will talk about Clannad OVA (Tomoyo story) - why are you so confused, if the story will be from Tomoyo's route in OVA directly from the game ? Tomoyo After is the sequel to this story and a big ending to their story. Making this OVA gives a really good chance for Tomoyo After being animated because of this reason.
Chiu_fan
2008-07-05, 09:09
The last episode will be released as an original video animation on the eighth DVD on July 16, 2008 and will be set in an alternate universe from the anime series where Tomoya and Tomoyo are dating.
I got this from Wikipedia. When I first read this, I thought they would go for the Tomoyo After story arc.
Farplaner
2008-07-05, 09:09
I haven't read the manga, but I was surprised about the other comment above saying the manga content can be fit in under 25 minutes...?
Did they cut out the Tomo/Kanako content in it?
Chiu_fan
2008-07-05, 09:15
I haven't read the manga, but I was surprised about the other comment above saying the manga content can be fit in under 25 minutes...?
Did they cut out the Tomo/Kanako content in it?
Apparently they made a shortcut to their part of the story. Just go to the link of the manga I posted earlier and read it, their part of the story is in chapter 2 for Kanako and chapter 3 for Tomo. I found that it was kinda short.
will be set in an alternate universe from the anime series
Piece of cake. In the game there are different routes, we can say this clearly, each route depends on some choices. Now, if we will prefer Tomoyo's route to Nagisa's route, for example, we will not see some characters in the game or they will play the second role. Main story in Clannad TV - is from the point of view from Nagisa's route with some parts from other routes (and even full one like Kotomi's route, Fuuko's route and so on). But the main perspective of the story is Nagisa's. So, this means, that perspective from the another view will be an alternative one comparing to the another routes. And this means, that some main characters in Clannad TV now will be second-plan characters except Tomoyo & Tomoya. So, you'we got it.
Did they cut out the Tomo/Kanako content in it?
In manga ? Huuuu, yes. Only some main details have been taken from the game, but they are different, very different. Want to know an example ?
For example, let's take the story of Tomo. In game the ending of this story is a) in the village b) at their summer vacation c) the main feature, that Tomoya restored a school for her (no, i will not write here the whole story) d) Tomo and her mother stayed live together in this village. And now check the manga, and this is only an example of the main details from the ending, not the whole story.
Chiu_fan
2008-07-05, 09:31
Okay. I kind of understand now. Well... Sort of, since I can't find a good place to get one of these games in English to understand these kind of games, especially for the PSP versions of it. Well, thank you for making it clearer.
Sort of, since I can't find a good place to get one of these games in English
It's impossible for all Key works. Now you can find only complete fan translations for Planetarian and Clannad (isn't really complete, in editing phase now). As for Kanon (in editing phase too, but still has not been compiled yet to check, yes, there was a leakage, but it's impossible to find this leaked version now), Air - some fan translators are working with them now. Tomoyo After has been anounced recently. No real info about Little Busters, except blank page, but it will be probably translated too. Of course, i'm talking here only about fan translations.
Farplaner
2008-07-05, 10:41
So I just finished reading the manga. Wow, you can finish this in half an hour, lol. The game lasted me like 20+ hours...
Let's count the differences:
- Tomoyo didn't start living with Tomoya until Tomo arrived
- Tomo started living in the house before Kanako arrived
- Tomoya didn't defeat just 4 guys... he defeated the whole gang, one every night.
- Tomoyo didn't know about the fights (she had some idea but she trusted Tomoya)
- They didn't mention anything about the Tomo kidnapping attempts
- Skipped the comedies within the house! Multiple Takafumis, etc...
- Takafumi barely showed up at all!
- The whole backstory about the Takafumi/Kanako relationship was different - too many to list
- No marathon
- Tomo's mother never wanted her back
- No trip to the countryside, no school rebuilding, no reviving the village (Kanako shined a lot in this arc...)
- And of course, no accident while rebuilding the school
- Tomoyo never supported Tomo going back to her mother until the very very end. It was all Kanako/Tomoya
- Tomoya didn't know about the surgery, and he actually was able to remember his relationship with Tomoyo one time after the 10-day period.
- They got married in the game
It reminded me of a typical movie adaptation. It got the main points right but was compressed to hell... I guess it wasn't too bad.
shaolinx
2008-07-27, 17:40
So I just finished reading the manga. Wow, you can finish this in half an hour, lol. The game lasted me like 20+ hours...
Let's count the differences:
- Tomoyo didn't start living with Tomoya until Tomo arrived
- Tomo started living in the house before Kanako arrived
- Tomoya didn't defeat just 4 guys... he defeated the whole gang, one every night.
- Tomoyo didn't know about the fights (she had some idea but she trusted Tomoya)
- They didn't mention anything about the Tomo kidnapping attempts
- Skipped the comedies within the house! Multiple Takafumis, etc...
- Takafumi barely showed up at all!
- The whole backstory about the Takafumi/Kanako relationship was different - too many to list
- No marathon
- Tomo's mother never wanted her back
- No trip to the countryside, no school rebuilding, no reviving the village (Kanako shined a lot in this arc...)
- And of course, no accident while rebuilding the school
- Tomoyo never supported Tomo going back to her mother until the very very end. It was all Kanako/Tomoya
- Tomoya didn't know about the surgery, and he actually was able to remember his relationship with Tomoyo one time after the 10-day period.
- They got married in the game
It reminded me of a typical movie adaptation. It got the main points right but was compressed to hell... I guess it wasn't too bad.
Hmm wow they got married... they never mentioned that in the manga... When did this happen? during the 3 years of him losing memories or after the surgery during the last minutes of his life?
Farplaner
2008-07-27, 20:04
They got married after Tomoya told her he loves her. The next time he lost his memories, he looked at his marriage ring and was able to remember that Tomoyo was his lover.
And then they decided to do the surgery.
shaolinx
2008-07-27, 22:52
They got married after Tomoya told her he loves her. The next time he lost his memories, he looked at his marriage ring and was able to remember that Tomoyo was his lover.
And then they decided to do the surgery.
Ah, thats much better then the way the manga did it. but nontheless, he is still cut short at the end, which sucks.... Key really loves their bittersweet endings dont they?
Farplaner: does the game, nagisa After Story route, ends the same with him "resting for a long time"?
shaolinx,
Well, PS2 version has an additional last scene that makes a good ending, but we don't know it exactly. Just look somewhere in this topic for more info. As for AS - no. It's an absolutely different story.
Ice Block
2008-07-28, 01:33
As you may have already known, Clannad and Tomoyo After ~It's a Wonderful Life~ are two different games entirely. After Story is the second half of the original Clannad game, while Tomoyo After is a spin-off game which takes after Tomoyo's route in Clannad.
That said, if you still want to know more about After Story, then I suggest you look into the Spoilers and Speculation (for experienced Clannad gamers only) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=55257) thread.
But if you want a short answer, then:
It ends with a happy and satisfying ending.
I guess we must wait for a long time until baka-tsuki translate the whole scenes to english..>.<
Though I'm using chinese KFC patch(with the iritating "Usagis")..still some words are kinda deep to me..
Gambate kudasai baka-tsuki teams!!!
Onegaishimasu....T-T
shaolinx
2008-07-28, 09:07
shaolinx,
Well, PS2 version has an additional last scene that makes a good ending, but we don't know it exactly. Just look somewhere in this topic for more info. As for AS - no. It's an absolutely different story.
Extra scene? Thats good to hear, ill have to check ito ut.
As you may have already known, Clannad and Tomoyo After ~It's a Wonderful Life~ are two different games entirely. After Story is the second half of the original Clannad game, while Tomoyo After is a spin-off game which takes after Tomoyo's route in Clannad.
That said, if you still want to know more about After Story, then I suggest you look into the Spoilers and Speculation (for experienced Clannad gamers only) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=55257) thread.
But if you want a short answer, then:
It ends with a happy and satisfying ending.
Thanks for info, now I can watch it happily knowing this :heh:
Anyone completed the game? i want to get the CG wehere tomoya or takafumi i'm not sure is under a tree is the only one that i don't know how to get, if anyone could tell me y would apreciate it
D a m i e n
2008-07-30, 03:48
i wasnt able to watch the whole show as the female lead (the one with the 2 antena was annoying the hell out of me until i had night terror and drop the show at eps13) but i got a question reguarding the DVD bonus eps.
is the DVD bonus eps the same as the tomoyo after story(manga)? aka : getting the strongest girl = getting the strongest brain tumor too?
is the DVD bonus eps the same as the tomoyo after story(manga)
No. Special Episode is an animation of Tomoyo's route from Clannad.
Farplaner
2008-07-30, 13:59
Anyone completed the game? i want to get the CG wehere tomoya or takafumi i'm not sure is under a tree is the only one that i don't know how to get, if anyone could tell me y would apreciate it
That's from Dungeons and Takafumis. Beat the minigame and you'll see its epilogue (that's where the picture is from)
wtf tomoyo manga? there is something like that out there? mb not just in japenese?
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=16800
Yes. English translation is finished.
why is this story so friggin sad? :S
Otherwise it wouldn't be so good:heh:
wasnt there only 4 ch in the TA series, i do recall DDLing vol1 a long time ago (09-02-2008).
shaolinx
2008-08-07, 23:18
Otherwise it wouldn't be so good:heh:
It wasnt good bcuz it was sad, it was good cuz the characters are awesome! it, however, gets negative points for being sad :frustrated:
edit: X207, its already finished.
The more sad story is, the more awesome it is. Well, at last, for me.
Personally I would like them to kill Tomoyo not Tomoya but it's good enough as it is.in b4, everyone has their own liking.
typhonsentra
2008-08-08, 10:41
I just finished the show and was excited to hear there was an alternative story continuation. But.... there's no happy ending option for this thing? Isn't that exceptionally rare for a visual novel?
Klashikari
2008-08-08, 10:59
No, there isn't much "default" option for happy endings.
It isn't rare to see bittersweet endings and Tomoyo After is hardly an exception.
typhonsentra
2008-08-08, 11:28
I just can't believe the director would go down the route described here. I haven't seen After Story either personally but...
Wasn't this Tomoyo game made to satisfy fans of the original game who wanted to see her have a fully developed story the way Nagisa had one? It just seems sorta.... dickish to make his death the official end of the game. I haven't seen it myself, I'm sure it's well done but having just finished episode 24 of the show and hearing that there was a continuation of her story I'm pretty disappointed to read what it actually is. :heh:
Klashikari
2008-08-08, 11:31
This is correct. Tomoyo after is just a "What if" scenario. It isn't canon for Clannad.
typhonsentra
2008-08-08, 14:12
Well it is canon in the sense that it was made by the creators. As in, had he gone with her that's what would happen. With VN's I tend to prefer not to think that all the alternative paths are outright "wrong", that kinda makes them feel pointless, you know?
I just read that manga by the way and it definitely leaves a strange impression, does it capture the feel of the game well?
Klashikari
2008-08-08, 15:53
"made by the creators" is hardly something that should be taken into accounts. Otherwise, you would have to consider all routes as canon, or even fan disc of any VN, which isn't exactly relevant to the "canon" point.
It is indeed reflecting what would happen, but since it is a "what if", that is just putting aside the possible "canon" part of it (that could happen, but it didn't, so not canon).
That said, a non canon story isn't worthless or anything, obviously. But what i said has only to do with the "canon" part with Clannad, which TA doesn't except for a small portion of the former.
As for the manga, it is really too digest and awkwardly written to be considered as a good capture of the game.
Jin Kizuite
2008-08-12, 19:55
Excuse me but i just wanted to ask is the alt title for this manga Tomoyo After: Dear Shining Memories or have i got the wrong manga. ;<
Shinigami_Mello
2008-08-12, 19:56
Yep, thats the right one!
Jin Kizuite
2008-08-12, 20:31
Wow... they opted for the saddest, ending, ever. Tomoya does not deserve such suffering. I think ill go cry and suicide somewhere.
Excuse me but has anyone got the tablature for Life is like a Melody from Tomoyo After～It's a wonderful Life, if so please pm me i've been looking but can't find.
houkoholic
2008-08-18, 05:02
I just can't believe the director would go down the route described here. I haven't seen After Story either personally but...
Wasn't this Tomoyo game made to satisfy fans of the original game who wanted to see her have a fully developed story the way Nagisa had one? It just seems sorta.... dickish to make his death the official end of the game. I haven't seen it myself, I'm sure it's well done but having just finished episode 24 of the show and hearing that there was a continuation of her story I'm pretty disappointed to read what it actually is. :heh:
No it wasn't to satisfy the fans actually.
Tomoyo After was Maeda Jun's (main writer for Kanon, Air, Clannad etc) personal pet project that he wanted to do - he wanted more creative freedom to explore his ideas and themes and less business red tapes if you like, and that's what he did in Tomoyo After. As such it should be considered to be his most real and direct feelings.
Actually if you compare Tomoyo After to say, AIR, you shouldn't find him being cruel at all, since both ends in a similiar tone. Also I may add that just because characters die it shouldn't mean that the story is depressing or bad or cruel, in fact the story of Tomoyo After is specifically dealing with the difficulties in life and there are valuable lessons to be learnt in the story, and IMO it is much more valuable than "a mircale happens" type of fairy tale stories that, in a sense, ruins some of the other Key works. I personally really loved the original ending of Tomoyo After, and consider the milder rewrite of the PS2 version a cop out and ruins the original artistic integraty of the story.
matty543
2008-09-21, 20:44
Bloody heck the translation for this game doesnt seem like its ever gonna be done :(
You do know that normally the completion time for these kind of projects is in the order of years, right? If anything, thanks to the wiki system you can actively colaborate towards the speedier completion of the project ;
Leo_Otaku
2008-09-21, 23:54
No it wasn't to satisfy the fans actually.
Tomoyo After was Maeda Jun's (main writer for Kanon, Air, Clannad etc) personal pet project that he wanted to do - he wanted more creative freedom to explore his ideas and themes and less business red tapes if you like, and that's what he did in Tomoyo After. As such it should be considered to be his most real and direct feelings.
Actually if you compare Tomoyo After to say, AIR, you shouldn't find him being cruel at all, since both ends in a similiar tone. Also I may add that just because characters die it shouldn't mean that the story is depressing or bad or cruel, in fact the story of Tomoyo After is specifically dealing with the difficulties in life and there are valuable lessons to be learnt in the story, and IMO it is much more valuable than "a mircale happens" type of fairy tale stories that, in a sense, ruins some of the other Key works. I personally really loved the original ending of Tomoyo After, and consider the milder rewrite of the PS2 version a cop out and ruins the original artistic integraty of the story.
But if we didn't get our miracle ending for Clannad then that would just be terrible >.<
matty543
2008-09-22, 00:30
You do know that normally the completion time for these kind of projects is in the order of years, right? If anything, thanks to the wiki system you can actively colaborate towards the speedier completion of the project ;
??!!For real.........that sucks i was thinking it was like subbing an anime ep or something :(
LustfulEnvy
2008-09-22, 18:58
I found some CG artwork of Tomoyo After off the web. They make incredible stocks @_@
Very Very Graphic IF you know what I mean =P
typhonsentra
2008-09-23, 07:22
Oh really?
??!!For real.........that sucks i was thinking it was like subbing an anime ep or something :(
It's easier to gain an understanding of spoken Japanese than it is to gain one of written Japanese. In anime subbing, you usually just have to deal with spoken Japanese. With a VN, even a voiced one, most of the stuff to translate is just written. That's where the time difference comes from.
I've been studying Japanese for around ten months now, and I can barely get the gist of what's going on in a VN with voice acting (which is why I can play my copy of Clannad but not my copy of Kanon; I can't figure out the voice patch). Actually doing a decent job of translating the text takes an incredible understanding of the language.
NoOneKnowS
2008-10-06, 03:11
Haven't played the game but had read the manga. The end is also the same w/ Tomoya _____. I think is sucks cause mainly clannad is about family story and both Nagisa's and Tomoyo's after story ends w/out having a family/love one etc....lol. Oh well.
No, you're wrong. It's a story about the real eternal love and family (yeah, that's right, just play the game). Manga isn't so good comparing to the original game
bladeofdarkness
2008-10-06, 12:41
isnt that always the case :heh:
Hi there!
This is my first post in this forum and I hope that this isn't my last one.
My English is really bad, so please forgive me :P
Ok, I want to tell that Tomoyo After is looking really nice but... I don't know how to put into a game translate :( I found for example this:
http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Tomoyo_After:SEEN0628
And I dont wanna what I must do with that. I opened my notepad and paste all this text and I have done SEEN0628.TXT but my game don't wanna start :( I'm sory if this topic is bad for this type of questions, but I hope that someone will help me!
Thanks :)
You should compile it at first.
What you mean? I am bad with games files :P
Thanks for quick reply anyway! :D
It wasn't the most informative answer but what he says is correct. There are tools out there (http://dev.haeleth.net/rldev.shtml) (intended for programmers) that would help you transforming this text file into a format readable by the game engine. However if you have little experience with such things, you should either use the scripts as a read along help, or wait for an official patch.
Waah, it is really hard to do SEEN.txt :(
Okeey, but I don't give up ^^
So, I downloaded rldev-1.40 ( this is good? :P ) and I have:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1700/dkl2jl3.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dkl2jl3.jpg)http://img72.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
When I opened a file for example INSTALL I have txt file...
What now...? :(
I don't have any experience.... official patch won't come quick :P
dennisngu
2009-02-14, 09:41
So.. just out of curiousity... is the translated SEEN file released? I'm kinda desperate to play this game in english subtitles. I know the translation is not completed yet but, I reckon there may be an incomplete SEEN.txt translation out there somewhere?
If there's such a file... can anyone PM me the link to download it? Or probably just post the link here.
Many thanks! And sorry for the troubles caused <3
If you are that desperate you can go to the project's page at baka-tsuki and help with the translation effort. It is an open project after all :p
dennisngu
2009-02-14, 10:44
Lol.. unfortunately I don't know much about japanese. That's why I can't really play without the english translation. >_< I sure do hope that the completed SEEN.txt translation is coming out real soon.
Any estimated time of when it will be released?
Not really. English editors and style proof checkers are always welcomed as well though.
Is there
any sign of the light orbs, or the Illusionary World, in Tomoyo After - or if not, a reason given as to why they aren't there?
Farplaner
2009-02-21, 03:45
No. The lights don't really fit in Tomoyo After...
Leo_Otaku
2009-03-17, 21:42
I was wondering what was the changes made to the CS PS2 edition? Was there new scences or just just th3e obvious ending change?
AngryDango
2009-03-18, 18:55
They took out the eroscenes and added scenes of Tomoyo cosplaying different costumes for Tomoya...
More than that, dunno.
Leo_Otaku
2009-03-19, 10:50
^ Seriously XD that is lame, i was expecting like different situations and added story plot.
^ Seriously XD that is lame, i was expecting like different situations and added story plot.
Someone on gemote said that there is more then 30% (comparing to PC version) of new and changed text.
Leo_Otaku
2009-03-20, 22:20
Okay so they changed text then? Anyone know if they keep the PS2 ED or the real ending for the PSP release. It seems like Tomoya gets voiced in this one....
just wondering where this game is set in the Clannad universe in terms of time... is it before ~ After Story ~
and is there a translation project for this too or anyone wanting to start one
It's technically an alternate universe, not really tied to Clannad (not even the Tomoyo route, which TA takes liberties with) and isn't a sequel or prequel or really made to be seen in relation to the events of that visual novel.
As for a translation project, there is one that Baka-Tsuki (those who are also doing the translation project for Clannad) is running. I'm not sure what the status is on that, though.
i see... so i guess it kind of has ties to the Clannad OVA where Tomoya and Tomoyo were together instead of Tomoya and Nagisa
Not even that really. Sort of like an alternate to and alternate universe...The OVA was pretty much the Clannad Tomoyo route. Tomoyo After is just, well, different.
Kind of. Like I said, though, it's different than the Tomoyo route that the OVA represented in part. The backstory of how Tomoya and Tomoyo got together is different (a lot of the stuff that's depicted in her Clannad route doesn't occur in the TA timeline).
Still, it sort of functions as a Tomoyo version of After Story, as could be surmised by the title. But, really, it's just its own thing.
Farplaner
2009-03-23, 07:08
The backstory of how Tomoya and Tomoyo got together is different (a lot of the stuff that's depicted in her Clannad route doesn't occur in the TA timeline).
Eh? That's not how I remembered. When Tomoyo was bringing Tomoya to all the places where they spent time together and she was explaining things that happened, they all occured in Clannad...
Can you explain further?
The backstory of how Tomoya and Tomoyo got together is different.
No, you're wrong. TA takes place after Tomoyo's route events, it's a direct continuation of her route.
I seem to recall that Tomoyo and Tomoya broke up, albeit temporarily, and only got together what I perceived to be years later, after Tomoyo had graduated.
In Tomoyo After, it's Tomoyo's senior year in high school, with no break up period having occurred that I was aware of. (To be fair, this is part second hand knowledge and part my knowledge from reading the manga, so if the visual novel does acknowledge those events, I was mistaken.)
Hmm... from what I remember, they reconcile after Tomoya graduates, when Tomoyo has just finished her second year. At least, from what I remember
I'd have to rewatch and/or replay the arc, honestly, but in the end, it doesn't change that it functions as a sequel, regardless of if small things change between the two.
It should be noted that, as I remember, at the very least they reconcile during the winter of Tomoyo's senior year, based on that scene at the end of the arc taking place in the snow. The game Tomoyo After takes place during that summer...so...yeah. There's some disconnect somewhere. Major or minor, there is.
and only got together what I perceived to be years later, after Tomoyo had graduated.
Are you really sure about "years later" ?
I don't think they ever make it clear the exact timeframe. I just took it as some great time had passed when I played through the arc.
According to the creators, Tomoyo After acts as a sequel to the Tomoyo route of Clannad. However, the creators did take slight liberties with Tomoyo After as Tomoya and Tomoyo (henceforth referred to as Tomotomo) did not begin immediately involved in what one would note as a romantic relationship. Minor 'liberties' include Tomoya already graduated and working as a sanitary engineer (ie. garbage man) while Tomoyo is still at school.
It would appear that the creators wanted the player, as Tomoya, to work on building a relationship as he did in Clannad. They also changed the artist to give Tomoyo a more ... mature/sexier look.
That said, depends on your point of view, you can look at it as being another universe or part of the Clannad world. Its up to the player, really. I simply chose to look at it as a continuation.
On the other hand, it would appear that since Tomoyo and Nagisa both had strong influences (depending on the route you choose) on Tomoya, the two girls are never seen having a conversation (if any) and are rarely seen together extensively on the same scene. Notably in the anime, when the scene focuses on either Tomotomo or Tomo/Nagi, the other girl simply disappear off the scene. For a good example, refer to season I of Clannad.
- Tak
Justin Kim
2009-03-24, 05:36
I have a couple of questions regarding the TA.
Is Baka - Tsuki translating the entire PC game to English, and currently what is the status?
When they translate the PC game - the English will probably be a patch for the PC game am I mistaken?
Does anyone know the progress so far on the translation project? Or the status at least? I heard it was coming at a near end.
Can anyone answer my questions please, I would really love to play this game.
More than Baka Tsuki's, it's velocity7's and co's project, which is being hosted in Baka Tsuki and hence it has also become sort of a community project. I think they have contemplated the possibility of releasing a PS2 version, but for the moment they are focusing on the PC one. The project's translation phase is long over, however thy have been editing it for a while.
It will be faster and more useful to learn some grammar and use atlas for kanji meaning, believe me. Or you can wait forever for translation, lol.
As described in this very same thread you can check the translation yourself through the project's svn o_o....
Justin Kim
2009-03-24, 15:47
Wait Proto what's an svn? Do you have a link regarding Velocity7's translation progress?
http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/clannad
i think that's the site Proto is talking about...
http://clannad.thewafflehouse.net/index.php
that's the one regarding velocity7's progress... i think ^_^
Justin Kim
2009-03-25, 04:46
Wait so are they officially done with the translation progress? I am confused with the Clannad project that wafflehouse and velocity7 are currently working on. Are they done? When I checked the wiki, it seems the team wants to fix some issues regarding the scripts in the game, but overall the scripts were finished. Care to explain?
i'm not too sure myself... the site seems to be a bit vague... i hope we see a patch soon ^_^
Used Can
2009-04-14, 01:27
I'd still like a TN project for the PS2 version.
It's technically an alternate universe, not really tied to Clannad (not even the Tomoyo route, which TA takes liberties with) and isn't a sequel or prequel or really made to be seen in relation to the events of that visual novel.
Legally speaking, TA is not related to Clannad. However, in practise (i.e. story-wise) it works as a sequel. Maeda said that much in an interview, which was summarised at Moon Phase. I remember checking the entry in Moon Phase last year, but I can no longer find it, the closer thing I could find as a source for it was this post (http://forums.novelnews.net/showpost.php?p=7948&postcount=77).
does anyone have any news about the translation project and its status or anything... been searching around and can't find anything significant
thanks in advance
Justin Kim
2009-04-18, 19:20
Just go to baka-tsuki. They provide the links towards Velocity7's translation site. I don't think the translation has been going well. They have a lot of inactive users right now, and some have just stopped. Guess we need to wait another 2 years or so. :(
For those who care:
Just got my hands on the PSP version of Tomoyo After. It not only retains the extended scenario found on the PS2 version, but Tomoya is now fully voiced by youknowwho.
Moreover, a KEY memorial box edition for PC due to release on July of this year will also include Tomoyo After all-age edition with full voiced characters (including Tomoya) and extended scenario.
- Tak (Somehow I think Key is trying to rewrite their earlier version released in 2005)
prnoct90
2009-04-20, 19:58
When you say youknowho do you mean the anime Tomoya? I hope so!
When you say youknowho do you mean the anime Tomoya? I hope so!
Yuuichi Nakamura, so yes the anime Tomoya.
Yes, its Nakamura. Just as Kuwashima reprised her role as Tomoyo
- Tak
blitz1/2
2009-04-20, 21:06
Yes, its Nakamura. Just as Kuwashima reprised her role as Tomoyo
- Tak
Crap...Have to say I preferred Ryoko Tanaka better as Tomoyo. Keep Nakamura, he's a good Tomoya
Crap...Have to say I preferred Ryoko Tanaka better as Tomoyo. Keep Nakamura, he's a good Tomoya
I don't know, after comparing all 3 VAs, Isshiki, Tanaka and Kuwashima, I have to say Kuwashima has her voice dead-on. She is the only person who did her character right, imo.
- Tak
Klashikari
2009-04-21, 10:13
Isshiki and Tanaka are the same person you know.
vBulletin® v3.8.4, Copyright ©2000-2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.