[Manga] Claymore Chapter 77 Discussion

[NoSanninWa]

Welcome to the monthly discussion thread for Claymore, Chapter 77.

The thread was created before the chapter was published. Usually false spoilers start to appear early so (naturally) people always need a place to discuss them.

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Chapter 78 will probably be released on March 4th, a month from now. That's the usual release date.

[mosmos]

作者の都合により名無しです：2008/01/30(水) 16:58:56 ID:8Gj1tfSbO
SCENE 77 届かぬ願い (仮)


切り立った断崖を駆け登り、周辺の風景を見下ろすクレア一行
肩で息をするユマの様子をミリアが見て、ここで小休止する事を告げる
我々はどこら辺りまで来たんだ？のデネヴの問いに、
今のスピードで半刻も進めば聖都ラボナの辺りです、とシンシア
「ラボナ」の地名にクレアが反応する、ミリアが知ってる町か？と問う
過去に妖魔討伐をしただけだ、と素っ気なく答えるクレア
ヘレンが山の中ばかりで飽きたから寄ってみないかと言い出す
クレアは一瞬答えに間を置く、が存在を組織に知られたとは言え
足取りを掴まれたくはないと答え、このまま南下を続けようと提案する
不満顔のヘレンと息絶えだえのユマを除き全員一致でそのまま南下をミリアが宣言する

場面変わって聖都ラボナ
思惑通りに二人にダメージを与え満足気に勝ち誇るアガサ
クラリスは落ち着いて再生するようにミアータに語りかけるが
ミアータは攻撃型のうえ、再生が苦手らしく上手くいかない
アガサはまず防御型であるガラテアに攻撃を集中させる、
ガーク達の援護もあり何とかかわしてはアガサに効果のない攻撃を繰り返す

ガラテアやガーク達兵士の必死の様子にアガサは健気に町の人間を遠くへ
逃がす時間稼ぎをしてるつもりかと笑い顔
腹部の傷が響き、アガサに掴まってしまうガラテア
このまま殺そうと思ったけど気が変わった、
あなたの前であなたの守りたかった町の人間達を一人ひとり殺してあげる、
捕らえたガラテアの耳元でそう告げるアガサ
ゲスめ、と顔を歪め罵るガラテアに、あら、こういう趣向も意外と悪くないわよ
…私のお勧めよ、と笑顔で返す
町の郊外に逃げるラボナの人々、逃げる住人達の目にアガサの巨大な姿が写る
まず誰からいこうかしらと獲物を探すアガサ、父親に連れられた子供に目を止める
まずこの子にしましょうか、と触手を伸ばすアガサ
見かねたクラリスが子供を救おうと間にはいるがあっさりアガサに跳ね飛ばされる (小金库去救孩子,GJ!)
狼狽しやめろと叫ぶガラテア、妖力開放しアガサから逃れようとするも
傷口に触手を突き刺され、苦痛の叫びをあげる
あなたのその盲目の目に見せられないのが残念だけど…
とアガサが言いかけたその時、ミアータとアガサとガラテアが何者かの妖気を感知する
この妖気…まさか…
ガラテアが意味深なつぶやきを洩らす

以下次号

[Zsych]

Is this script real? I ran it through Google Translator, and... the chapter needs to be longer.

[NoSanninWa]

Is this script real? I ran it through Google Translator, and... the chapter needs to be longer.
Unknown. Maybe real. Maybe not. That's the joy of the internet.

[Zsych]

If it is real, this chapter will only set up for the return of the Ghost 7, and not actually see it happening... which means that this fight will probably be going on for the next 4-6 months :(

[mosmos]

It may a fake... I copy and paste from a Jap Site.
So it's just for fun...

[Icephere]

Welcome to the monthly discussion thread for Claymore, Chapter 77.

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Chapter 78 will probably be released on February 4th, a month from now. That's the usual release date.

You mean on March 4th since chapter 77 will be/is released around this week :heh:?

[germanturkey]

thats actually incredibly depressing that this fight might take us a good half a year to finish..

[Defiled one]

Fighting slowly is prefered here.

"Only 10% of the world population actually understands this statement"

[King Lycan]

Finally its been like forever i want to see some claymore action

[Defiled one]

I want someone dead. ;_; I miss the carnage.

Nah, probably a change scene. I really wanna see Raki`s whereabouts. That, and how he makes his secret perfume of "babe magnets".

[Fenrir_valindri]

As much as I defend her, I really want to see Clarice make a conclusive decision now, preferably in Galatea's favor.

I also wan't to see exactly how powerful Agatha is, they kind of hint that she has been holding back.

[Icephere]

Is the chapter out?

[NoSanninWa]

You mean on March 4th since chapter 77 will be/is released around this week :heh:?Umm... That's what I wrote! Really! Go look. Pay no attention to the moderator behind the curtain. ;)

Fighting slowly is prefered here.

"Only 10% of the world population actually understands this statement"LOL! I'm happy to understand that statement.

Is the chapter out?Not until February 4th. That's why people are only talking about what they are hoping for. I only made the thread because advance (and possibly faulty) information was starting to appear.

[Negativedark]

Damn it, if we keep getting spoilers this early, how am I going to make a fake one for april fools?

[Voracious Reader]

I'm not convinced of it's authenticity:
Half a "mark" away form Rabona's outskirts at marching pace should be close enough for Tabasa and Clare to sense the battle, yet they don't?
("mark" is an archaic unit of time that had a different length at various times and in various contexts, ranging from 1/12 of a (24h) day to 1/120 of the same)
Helen wants to hang out in town and pouts when she is not allowed to? (slightly exaggerating)
Galatea and Miata wordlessly turning into allies and stupidly engaging in a stupid cliche plot?
Agatha turning into a stupid cliche villain?
Agatha and Miata being able to sense the mystery aura Galatea recognizes, in the same instant she does, no less?
Not to forget that there is a bit much happening for a single chapter.

[Negativedark]

Well the Helen part fits very well. Come to think of it we actually had a fake spoiler last time with the one about Galetea knowing Quicksword, and Drillsword.

[NoSanninWa]

Damn it, if we keep getting spoilers this early, how am I going to make a fake one for april fools?

Oh dear, poor noob, don't do that. On April 1, we ban anyone who tries to post something false, even if they think it is true. We've had a zero tolerance April Fool policy for a long time because there are always hoaxes that the FBI is shutting down fansubbers and prosecuting fansub downloaders. We keep our site April Fool Free to limit the panic.

[chibamonster]

Does fake spoilers mean claymore is getting more popular? ...(and we get scans sooner? It certainly seemed that way last month...) Naw, it's probably unrelated... or is it?

[Bikerider]

It being in Shonen Jump Weekly for 4 months probably gave it a higher profile.

[Negativedark]

Oh dear, poor noob, don't do that. On April 1, we ban anyone who tries to post something false, even if they think it is true. We've had a zero tolerance April Fool policy for a long time because there are always hoaxes that the FBI is shutting down fansubbers and prosecuting fansub downloaders. We keep our site April Fool Free to limit the panic.

Fine. I'll just post the Hot Springs Episode Fan fiction on April first. But in retalition, It'll be about the Men in Black.



Okay, so it won't be, but you know since they never did do a hot springs episode in the anime, I shall have to write my own.

[germanturkey]

Nah, probably a change scene. I really wanna see Raki`s whereabouts. That, and how he makes his secret perfume of "babe magnets".

i will also be very upset if that happens.. the point of claymore is for story, blood and gore. not to follow some annoying adolescent around. unless he grows up to be like a ridiculous fighter guy, which i severely doubt.

[Anima]

Galatea and Miata wordlessly turning into allies and stupidly engaging in a stupid cliche plot?
Miata fighting on her own is something she wouldn't do unless trying to defend her "mother". Agatha, so far, hadn't shown any interest in hurting Clarice so, you know what I mean.

Agatha and Miata being able to sense the mystery aura Galatea recognizes, in the same instant she does, no less?
This seemed to me as if it was referring to either Riful or Clare. Since the latter doesn't use yoki anymore, she has no aura. Riful showing up here?! Maybe if we consider she was chasing the fab7 and she sensed Galatea's aura so she came for the rescue? sounds plausible but I don't like it since the idea of chasing the fab7 isn't likely because of what she said in the last encounter.. few days and it's all revealed! :D

Tho, I strongly believe that spoiler is BOGUS! :rolleyes:

I really hope we get to see some real action this month. Last month I was disappointed and the chapter was hurtingly short.

[Lights of Euphoria]

Why do I keep getting the feeling that at some point, Agatha will notice Clarice, then Miata will loose control over herself to defend her 'mother' and finally Awaken at such a young age?

Is such a cliche even possible in Claymore? I really hope not...

[Siegzon Caritas]

Why do I keep getting the feeling that at some point, Agatha will notice Clarice, then Miata will loose control over herself to defend her 'mother' and finally Awaken at such a young age?

Is such a cliche even possible in Claymore? I really hope not...

How is that cliche? A cliche is an over-used phrase or expression or over done trope.What you described --That's the logical order of events. Agatha and Galatea should both know ny now that Clarice is caretaker. Agatha figured out Gal's move quite quickly.

The only thing stopping Agatha from doing what you say is simply she has no reason to. Clarice is not food and Miata is probably not a threat factor anymore in Agatha's mind.

[Mikke]

I wonder why the last chapter was released on the 31st. Maybe because it was only 24 pages?

[Valerian Mengsk]

I don't care to speculate, but if early releases imply chapters that lack that much caliber (story-wise), then I am willing to wait a few more days for every new chapter.

[NoSanninWa]

How is that cliche? A cliche is an over-used phrase or expression or over done trope.What you described --That's the logical order of events.
I think he means it is cliche in Claymore because of the previous times we've seen someone awaken because something they care about is being threatened. It has only been a few times and they have all been different in some way, so I don't think it is a cliche, but it is a common theme in this book.

Or maybe he means the shounen cliche of getting a power up to protect a loved one, though I don't really think it is the same as turning into a monster.

[Lights of Euphoria]

Yagi turned used the Awakening in Claymores as a metaphore...At least in my mind. To protect those we love...we essenitally do turn into monsters our selves.
And that in itself is a cliche.
Yes, NosanninWa, I did mean that...

P.S - 'she', not 'he'

[NoSanninWa]

That is more of a theme for the story, than a cliche. While cliches are bad storytelling, themes are good.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I think predictable is a better word for it, it would really be way to see it coming, which is why I dislike the idea of Miata awakening, especially when protecting "mama."

[Anima]

I could see Miata half-awakening because Mama might pull her back but completely awakening is so predictable. Miata still has no depth to her char to just awaken this fast. Anyhow, 3 more days, and all of this will, hopefully, be answered. :D

[chibamonster]

There has to be a reason Miata has more power than number 1 (especially if Alicia is still active). We have yet to see her really let loose. Maybe they used a 9 tailed fox instead of youma on her?

[mosmos]

There has to be a reason Miata has more power than number 1 (especially if Alicia is still active). We have yet to see her really let loose. Maybe they used a 9 tailed fox instead of youma on her?


Yes... I have been wondering too... how come some claymores are more powerful than others.?.. (Clare is the exception)

Dont they have the same amount of yuma blood injected into their bodies ?

[Fenrir_valindri]

My personal theory is compatibility.

Some people are simply more compatible then others.

Like Teresa/Priscilla/Twins.

Clare was so weak not only because she was 1/4 Yoma, but she had poor compatibility with Teresa's Yoma as well. (irony)

But due to the partial awakening Clare is becoming more and more compatible with Teresa's Yoma flesh, thus the starteling increase in her abilities.

Same with the rest of the fab 4.

My pet theory. :cool:

[chibamonster]

Interesting idea Fenrir. Not like any I have heard so far.



... come on raw come on raw come on raw... where are you raw?

[ergon]

I kinda assumed it was just...genes or something. Like some humans are stronger than others. I didn't think about the yoma blood though.

But maybe it does depend on the quality of specimen, human and yoma. It could also depend on the manufacturing process(man in black in lab: "oops, this batch didn't turn out so good!").

Mental strength as well may affect skill level, learning ability, etc. as well as the smarts to stay alive longer, and keep learning.

[irvinethearcher]

I kinda assumed it was just...genes or something. Like some humans are stronger than others. I didn't think about the yoma blood though.

But maybe it does depend on the quality of specimen, human and yoma. It could also depend on the manufacturing process(man in black in lab: "oops, this batch didn't turn out so good!").

Mental strength as well may affect skill level, learning ability, etc. as well as the smarts to stay alive longer, and keep learning.


hm... the twins have the same strength and áre "manufactured" from the same yoma. So we can conclude that the manufacturing process produces results which have constant quality. Otherwise the twins would not be equal in strength. But to be 4 sure we have to know the results from the other twins the org used.

[chibamonster]

Next question would be how much training and mind set is involved in a claymores manifested power? Youki seems highly linked to emotions (Miria's partial awakening) so is the youki's base of power also based within the claymore's human self? Not everyone is made to be a champion, either by choice, mindset, physical limitations etc.

Miria learning to harness her burst was what brought her up the ranks. Clare did learn the basics of the quicksword but her mindset was too chaotic to use it effectively until she inherited Irene's arm. Maybe youki is just like any other skill and everyone has different mindsets and talents (or the lack thereof). But no real info on the situation so may as well speculate :D.

Come on raw come on raw...

[yezhanquan]

I do believe that the MIB left a deliberately wrong impression on the Claymores that the only way to become more powerful is to rely on their yoki. No doubt, this is part of their plan to get rid of the girls periodically.

There are times where their plans went pretty badly: The awakening of the boys and Luciela, the whole Teresa-Priscilla fiasco. Yet, somehow they always managed to recover, and seemingly without any long lasting ill effects on the system as a whole.

I believe that being a half-yoma, half-human opens up a way to become powerful, no matter who you are, provided one is trained properly. The attributes that makes them human (courage, determination, faith, etc) actually make them better warriors than if they rely on yoki alone. The MIB know this very well, and so they create the whole atmosphere of mistrust between the girls, dividing, and in that way weakening, them.

However, I still have no idea how Miria managed to reach her current speed. Being able to create illusions from movements alone is not unheard of in fantasy, and it is clear that her new illusions are in some ways inferior to her old ones. But, she is without doubt a better fighter now.

[Zsych]

I expect that its a temporary version of the awakening Clare pulled off in Pieta. 100% release for 0.1 seconds.

[yezhanquan]

I expect that its a temporary version of the awakening Clare pulled off in Pieta. 100% release for 0.1 seconds.

I don't think so. What made the Slayers 4 so scary after the time skip is that they acquired their new skills without using Yoki. That's in line with them hiding from the MIB in general. So, I believe that Miria somehow got her physical strength up so that she could move at an illusion-generating speed.

[Zsych]

I meant Miria's original phantom images. Amazing that Clare's supposedly inferior body can keep up with her in a fight nowadays, although its being chalked up to Irene's arm.

[yezhanquan]

I think in Clare's case, it's her training which helped her. She only began to shine after she took cues from Irene and Jean.

As I mentioned earlier, I do believe that every Claymore can be powerful, but with the right form of training.

[Fenrir_valindri]

My thoughts have already been stated over Clare's power, but let me add onto that.

Due to Clare's Yoma flesh becoming more compatible with her Partial-Awakenings, she had more room to grow, as did all the Fab 4.

The reason we see such a power jump with Clare is because of her initial weakness and incompatibility.

Simply put, Miria and the others were already more compatible (as evident by their much higher ranks), so their Partial-Awakenings did not help them as much as Clare's.

Over the Years of training in the North, they were all able to more fully explore their improved compatibility, thus the reason we see such powerful Yoki-less techniques. They developed the potential of their Yoma flesh like a muscle through harsh training and rigid conditions, barring themselves from Yoki as a crutch.

There is more to it, but I need to take a shower so I'll leave it here. :D

[yezhanquan]

My thoughts have already been stated over Clare's power, but let me add onto that.

Due to Clare's Yoma flesh becoming more compatible with her Partial-Awakenings, she had more room to grow, as did all the Fab 4.

The reason we see such a power jump with Clare is because of her initial weakness and incompatibility.

Simply put, Miria and the others were already more compatible (as evident by their much higher ranks_, so their Partial-Awakenings did not help them as much as Clare's.

Over the Years of training in the North, they were all able to more fully explore their improved compatibility, thus the reason we see such powerful Yoki-less techniques. They developed the potential of their Yoma flesh like a muscle through harsh training and rigid conditions, barring themselves from Yoki as a crutch.

There is more to it, but I need to take a shower so I'll leave it here. :D

Liked the way you compared Yoki to a crutch for the majority of the Claymores. That's exactly what I had in mind, and it's a crutch that bites back.

No doubt that the partial awakenings helped those who remained human after the ordeal (except possibly Jean). I'll say that the girls didn't realise the literal meaning of the statement that their human half controls their yoma half. I think it's not just a matter of control, but a matter of mastering. They think that the two halves must be anti one another. What if the two halves are actually dependent on each other? By learning how to truly use Yoki, it may be that the yoki flow is no longer manifested outwardly. Instead, it becomes a latent/passive force to be tapped.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I think so too, the key is not fighting your Yoma flesh, but mastering it, and the 7 Ghosts seem to have scratched the surface of this theory, having the ability to perform techniques that would normally require an external use of Yoki, rather then an internal force of their enhanced strength.

This would help us understand why so many have misjudged Clare's strength, her Yoki is rather pitiful most of the time, but her compatibility surges when she goes over her limit, but her Yoma Muscle is becoming more and more impressive, especially with the introduction of Irene's arm, which was far more developed then any of her own parts.

As noted by Priscilla near the end of the Battle for Pieta, Clare's Yoki had become quite significant after her 4 limbed Awakening, even after returning to her original form, indicating that her partial awakening had improved her compatibility to put her near Miria's league.

[yezhanquan]

Well, I don't think all 7 have gotten it. Yuma still doesn't have confidence in herself, which to me screams the fact that she hasn't found the door, so to speak. The Slayers 4 are already walking down the corridor to the treasure room.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Hehe, edited my post above with some more info.

As for Yuma, it could just be comparative confidence, unlike Clare, Yuma most likely has not Partially-awakened, thus her compatibility remains low.

It is quite possible that Yuma is much stronger then she believes, but is comparatively weak when compared to the more compatible members of the 7 Ghosts.

[Lights of Euphoria]

Yuma's self-confidence definitely is a problem and above all, a great obstacle.
She doesn't seem like one of the problem children the MiB were speaking off (Helen, Clare, Miria...). It seems to me that she did what she was told, as she was probably to low-moralled to do try and do anything else...

[Fenrir_valindri]

I wouldn't be so quick to judge, you have to remember a vast majority of Claymores just "do what they are told."

Out of the 7 Ghosts only Miria and Clare were real problem children, Helen caused some problems with clients, and Deneve clashed with other warriors, but they both followed orders.

There is nothing to indicate that Cynthia/Tabitha/Yuma were anymore disloyal to the Org until the War in the North, where everyone agreed to Miria's plan, including Yuma.

I believe Yuma knows she is the weakest, even below # 47 (who is equal to #6), but she wants to be useful to the people who ultimately saved her life, and have been her friends for the past 7 years, thats not a bond that is easily broken.

[Lights of Euphoria]

Good point there.

[Mikke]

Inner strength? Compatability? Surely spending enough time isolated, training on your own and scraping every drop of energy out of your every breath with your willpower will have you making significant progress, yes.. Thus every claymore as above said is capable of becoming better. BUT, with comparison to herself alone..

Can you honestly say that if they keep their yoki supressed that their basic skills and potentials will be equal? hell no! their bodys are still those of yoma and what makes those bodies stronger than a humans is the use of yoki. perhaps releasing it in such small amounts and balancing the process in such a way that plain physical strength and speed are increased but the body doesn't emit any yoki. It must be something like that cuz there's no way Yuma will ever be on Miria's level for example. Not in terms of strength, speed, technique... anyway at all. Not a problem of self confidence but of latent potential..

[Fenrir_valindri]

Inner strength? Compatability? Surely spending enough time isolated, training on your own and scraping every drop of energy out of your every breath with your willpower will have you making significant progress, yes.. Thus every claymore as above said is capable of becoming better. BUT, with comparison to herself alone..

Can you honestly say that even if they keep their yoki supressed that their basic skills and potentials will be equal? hell no! their bodys are still those of yoma and what makes those bodies stronger than a humans is the use of yoki. perhaps releasing it in such small amounts and balancing the process in such a way that plain physical strength and speed are increased but the body doesn't emit any yoki. It must be something like that cuz there's no way Yuma will ever be on Miria's level for example. Not in terms of strength, speed, technique... anyway at all.


Obviously, because Yuma is not a partially awakened, and has poor compatibility as shown by her low number, she can only get so strong, and even then she is still the weakest of the bunch.

I think you misunderstood something along the way, Miria obviously has the highest compatibility of the bunch, along with Clare now (who has gone over her limit how many times now? 6-7?) Thus the reason they are both so much stronger then the others, Helen and Deneve are next, with Cynthia trailing behind.

That is why the Fab 4 are stronger, and will remain stronger, then the other 3, they are partially awakened AND most of them had high compatibility in the first place.

Compatibility also indicates their non-yoki strength, as the Yoma flesh itself is what we are talking about.

Even when not using Yoki, on the first AB hunt Miria downright pwned Clare, so it is obvious Claymores are not equal even when not counting Yoki, but that is all due to compatability.

[chibamonster]

Compatibility has just been said so many times I don't even know what it means anymore :eyespin:. It seems like a bit vague to me as a term for power measurement but I might just be misunderstanding something. What would make a Claymore compatible with their youki? Is it their will power, desire, genetics, chance, the process used in hybridization, how careful the MiB's were, their emotions at the time of hybridization (like being offensive defensive), their training, or any number of their factors?

It does seem that even cloaked claymores have some youki present in their system because youki is what keeps a claymore's eyes silver. When they go on suppressants their eyes change back to their original color. But at least claymore is consistent with it's world rules, whatever the cause may be :D

[mycen]

Anyways where did this "Yuma will be a traitor" speculation come from? spoilers or some previous thread's speculation?

[Fenrir_valindri]

Compatibility has just been said so many times I don't even know what it means anymore :eyespin:. It seems like a bit vague to me as a term for power measurement but I might just be misunderstanding something. What would make a Claymore compatible with their youki? Is it their will power, desire, genetics, chance, the process used in hybridization, how careful the MiB's were, their emotions at the time of hybridization (like being offensive defensive), their training, or any number of their factors?

I mean compatibility as genetics, after all the entire reason infusing someone with Yoma flesh makes them so strong is due to the combination of human/Yoma flesh.

So some people simply have bodies that are more willing to merge with Yoma DNA, but half-awakening makes the body more and more compatible with the Yoma Flesh, as they almost turned into a Yoma themselves.

It does seem that even cloaked claymores have some youki present in their system because youki is what keeps a claymore's eyes silver. When they go on suppressants their eyes change back to their original color. But at least claymore is consistent with it's world rules, whatever the cause may be :D

The pills are a form of forced suppression, so it semi-reverts the hybridization process, they are still just as fast/strong as before but they can't use Yoki, or sense it for that matter, it is a unnatural process, and probably not as effective as natural suppression.

The natural suppression of the 7 ghosts and Raphaela is different because it takes time and doesn't cut off their ability to sense Yoki or use it, it naturally lowers the "body heat" that Yoki gives off to Yoki sensing.

Silver eyes comes from the Yoma flesh, not the Yoki itself, as does the blond hair.

---------

As for Yuma being a traitor, I believe it is from the previous chapter thread. I am really not sure how people got that into their heads, I really do not see it happening.

[Mikke]

Clare is a down right empiricist.... All the times that she ran blindly to her death, miraculously having her life saved by others parallel to the times she went, no FLEW over her limits recklessly like that render her progress so blunt and random that it makes you think; Either there is some serious initial, calculative or intuitive genius in her that helps her not only read yoki but also destiny itself, or.... you could just look at everything she does as bumping into a wall with all she has and hope it cracks before her skull does. lol :heh:

[Fenrir_valindri]

Which is exactly why I wonder where people got the idea that Clare is more "stable" then other hybrids. She flies off the handle more then any character in this series, she definitely has Priscilla and Miata beat in that department, she is just lucky that she has so many friends to protect her humanity, unlike the forementioned two.

Although there is still hope for Miata.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

I mean compatibility as genetics, after all the entire reason infusing someone with Yoma flesh makes them so strong is due to the combination of human/Yoma flesh.

So some people simply have bodies that are more willing to merge with Yoma DNA, but half-awakening makes the body more and more compatible with the Yoma Flesh, as they almost turned into a Yoma themselves.

I see your point, but what if yoma flesh of great "quality" (for lack of a better word :heh:) is infused to a human warrior with great stats like skill, speed, stamina etc but with low compatibility?
both the human and the yoma parts are good, but because of the low compatibility the resulting Claymore would be a low rank?
or the excellent yoma and human traits would make a powerful Claymore (maybe with problems, like Miata) ?


As for Yuma being a traitor, I believe it is from the previous chapter thread. I am really not sure how people got that into their heads, I really do not see it happening.

Yes it was a speculation from previous thread...

[irvinethearcher]

Perhaps the truth is something like that:


Abilities of the human:
Willpower
Strength
Intelligence
Speed
Endurance

Abilities of the yoma used for hybridization:
Yoki
Strength
Defensive capabilities
Offensive capabilities

Compatability

Training describes allways an logarithmic curve.
The axis are "progress" and "work invested in the training"
The first 2/3 of the curve are linear that means that if you invest work/time/intensity you get in exchange an proportional progress.
But that is only for the first 2/3 of the curve, than the progress converges
against a limit which can not surpased with work.

Partially awakening prolongs in my opinion the linear part of the logarithmic curve
and so the threshold of progress against which the curve converges is now higher.
But there is still a limit, there must be one, it is always like that in life.

That's my theory.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I see your point, but what if yoma flesh of great "quality" (for lack of a better word :heh:) is infused to a human warrior with great stats like skill, speed, stamina etc but with low compatibility?
both the human and the yoma parts are good, but because of the low compatibility the resulting Claymore would be a low rank?
or the excellent yoma and human traits would make a powerful Claymore (maybe with problems, like Miata) ?

Yes, basically.

As we have seen, Clare is a pretty good thinker and warrior, but she was still woefully underpowered early on, this was not due to her own faults but rather her compatibility.

She could be as skilled and experienced as a seasoned veteran soldiers, but if she has low compatibility she will make a poor warrior (power wise.)

If the warrior is fortunate enough to have both good human traits and high compatibility we get single digits of exceptional talent (Galatea/Irene/Miria), and prodigies turn into living legends (Teresa/Priscilla/Alicia/Beth).

Edit: irvinethearcher

It sounds interesting, but overly complex at the same time. >.<

[irvinethearcher]

But it seems not to fit for clare. Perhaps to an 1/4 yoma the half awakening is different. Something is still not right about my theorie.

[wnmnkh]

Hmmm, I see no chapter 77 related post on this thread yet ;)

[Defiled one]

Hmmm, I see no chapter 77 related post on this thread yet ;)


Me too :rolleyes: but what can we do?

[Negativedark]

I was gonna comment on this, but you beat me to it. Well, I guess someone will have to fly to Japan and threaten Yagi to give us a few spoilers to debate on. Oh and while your there pick me up some Gundam Model Kits.

[chibamonster]

I picked up a wing zero kit while I was there and made it. No he is sitting on my piano observing the front room carefully next to optimus prime.

Yeah, sorry, with no real information until we get a raw or some conformation this is really just the same as any other spec thread.

As I look at the different theories of power levels I can't help but think we really haven't been told anything conclusive about what makes a powerful warrior or a weak warrior. We know that Clarice was a "failure" but have no idea why. It seems that most fights are determined just by how much youki a warrior emits. That is how Rigald found the strong ones, how Irene knew that Priscilla and Teresa's battle was beyond them, how Galatea classified the fab 4s strengths and so on. Most of the time it is spot on. Concealing youki along with Clare in general makes things a little different.

As I remember what we know about the hybridization process is that it is very painful, leaves aweful scars, and that a claymores feelings at the time of hybridization determines if they will be offensive or defensive type warriors. The youma in them seems to respond to their human self indicating that it could go either way but is controlled by their emotions at the time even if they change their mind later. As for what makes one claymore have more youki than another I don't know. My personal hope is that Claymores are responsible for their own strength but that is only what I hope. I have nothing to back it up.

As for Clare I have never seen her as a particularly smart warrior. She has good reactions and has made some good decisions but goes berserk and forgets all that. For instance, the smart thing to do when an AB wipes out a team of claymores is NOT to run in there by yourself especially when you are running from the organization. If Galatea hadn't showed up Clare would have been crushed. Galatea even asks her if she had a plan. Clare didn't. She does use tricks to survive which is pretty cool (dropping her sword and getting slashed by Ophelia) but it seems she comes up with them on the spot. I agree that Clare has been more unstable that Priscilla with only her friends saving her. Too bad chibi clare didn't give Priscilla a hug...

[Zu Ra]

作者の都合により名無しです:2008/01/30(水) 16:58:56 ID:8Gj1tfSbO
SCENE 77 届かぬ願い (仮)


切り立った断崖を駆け登り、周辺の風景を見下ろすクレア一行
肩で息をするユマの様子をミリアが見て、ここで小休止する事を告げる
我々はどこら辺りまで来たんだ?のデネヴの問いに、
今のスピードで半刻も進めば聖都ラボナの辺りです、とシンシア
「ラボナ」の地名にクレアが反応する、ミリアが知ってる町か?と問う
過去に妖魔討伐をしただけだ、と素っ気なく答えるクレア
ヘレンが山の中ばかりで飽きたから寄ってみないかと言い出す
クレアは一瞬答えに間を置く、が存在を組織に知られたとは言え
足取りを掴まれたくはないと答え、このまま南下を続けようと提案する
不満顔のヘレンと息絶えだえのユマを除き全員一致でそのまま南下をミリアが宣言する

場面変わって聖都ラボナ
思惑通りに二人にダメージを与え満足気に勝ち誇るアガサ
クラリスは落ち着いて再生するようにミアータに語りかけるが
ミアータは攻撃型のうえ、再生が苦手らしく上手くいかない
アガサはまず防御型であるガラテアに攻撃を集中させる、
ガーク達の援護もあり何とかかわしてはアガサに効果のない攻撃を繰り返す

ガラテアやガーク達兵士の必死の様子にアガサは健気に町の人間を遠くへ
逃がす時間稼ぎをしてるつもりかと笑い顔
腹部の傷が響き、アガサに掴まってしまうガラテア
このまま殺そうと思ったけど気が変わった、
あなたの前であなたの守りたかった町の人間達を一人ひとり殺してあげる、
捕らえたガラテアの耳元でそう告げるアガサ
ゲスめ、と顔を歪め罵るガラテアに、あら、こういう趣向も意外と悪くないわよ
…私のお勧めよ、と笑顔で返す
町の郊外に逃げるラボナの人々、逃げる住人達の目にアガサの巨大な姿が写る
まず誰からいこうかしらと獲物を探すアガサ、父親に連れられた子供に目を止める
まずこの子にしましょうか、と触手を伸ばすアガサ
見かねたクラリスが子供を救おうと間にはいるがあっさりアガサに跳ね飛ばされる (小金库去救孩子,GJ!)
狼狽しやめろと叫ぶガラテア、妖力開放しアガサから逃れようとするも
傷口に触手を突き刺され、苦痛の叫びをあげる
あなたのその盲目の目に見せられないのが残念だけど…
とアガサが言いかけたその時、ミアータとアガサとガラテアが何者かの妖気を感知する
この妖気…まさか…
ガラテアが意味深なつぶやきを洩らす

以下次号

As no one translated this spoiler I checked it out on BabelFish . And viola the spoiler translation was not bizarre as we are used to . The translation doesnt make complete sense BUT makes some sense



There is no name is with the circumstances of the writer: 2008/01/30 (the water) 16:58:56 ID:8Gj1tfSbOSCENE 77 the request which does not reach (temporary)

* You ran and climbed the precipice which sheers, ミリア looking at the circumstances of ユマ which does breath with the クレア one line shoulder which disdains the scenery around, small we who inform the fact that you stop came to around somewhere and others here, it is? If in the question of デネヴ, also semi- carving/moment advances at current speed, it is around saintly capital ラボナ, that クレア reacts to the place name of sincere "ラボナ", ミリア knowing, る town?


* With 妖 demon suppression just was done in the past when you question, that クレア Helen who answers without the element っ air the mountain being halfway temporary, because you grew tired, that クレア which you propose whether it does not try approaching, puts between in the instant answering, existence was known with calls to the organization the pace be caught to want, to answer that it is not, ミリア declares going south that way in everyone agreement excluding ユマ of the obtaining which is Helen and the breath becoming extinct of the dissatisfied face which proposes that going south will be continued this way,


* The scene changes, it gives the damage to two people according to of saintly capital ラボナ thought and アガサ クラリス which is triumphant in the satisfactory air settling, that it plays back it narrates to ミアータ, but ミアータseems with respect to attack type,weak point playback and アガサ which does not go well makes attack ガラテア concentrate which first is defense type, it is and somehow exchanges also backing ガーク and it repeats the attack which does not have the effect in アガサ


* However as for アガサ whether the intention of doing the stopgap which lets escape the human of town to the distance to the health air you will laugh and in desperate circumstances of ガラテア and the ガーク soldier the scar of the face abdomen will echo, ガラテア which is caught in アガサ tried probably to this way kill the air changed, when you we would like to protect before you, individual killing the humans of town,


* So the アガサ ゲス め which is informed, with it twists the face in the ear origin of ガラテア which is caught in ガラテア which is abused, it is rough, also such idea unexpected the bad わ the people of ラボナ which escapes to the suburb of the town which... me recommends, with it returns with the smiling face,

* That that アガサ which extends the tentacle クラリス which it is unable to see whether it will make first this you stop the eye in the child who is accompanied in アガサ and the father who search the oak and others and the game which first probably will go from someone where the enormous form of アガサ is taken to the eye of the residents who escape child, probably will rescue the child it goes between, but it is spattered to アガサ simply, (the nest egg? Leaving rescuing 孩 child, GJ!

* But not being shown to your that blind eye which ガラテア which shouts that) be confused and stop, 妖 power it tries it will open and to escape from アガサ to be thrust the tentacle to the wound, the scream of pain increases regrettable with that time when アガサ starts speaking, this ghostly air where ミアータand ア moth サ and ガラテア perceive the ghostly air of some person... never... ガラテア meaning deeply leaks the ぶ and the coming Below next issue




I WOULD ALSO APPRECIATE IF SOMONE FURTHER DECIPHERS THIS

[Voracious Reader]

Well, the real chapter will be released very soon and I don't find this "spoiler" particularly interesting so I won't do a full translation, but as a condensed version:

Clare's party climbs a cliff, Yuma is exhausted and Miria announces they will rest for a bit. Cynthia informs them that they will be in the area of Rabona if they continue for half a "mark" (see my last post), Helen wants to go there but is outvoted because they want to avoid the Org.

On Clarice's instruction Miata tries to regenerate while Galatea and the Soldiers hold Agatha off. Agatha captures Galatea and whispers that she will kill the townspeople in front of her before killing her. Clarice tries to protect the first child she is attacking, but is sent flying and Galatea fails to break free, when suddenly they feel an aura.

[Anima]

If this upcoming chapter ends with another cliffhanger, I will hate Yagi.
Miata regenerating?! Did she even lose something to regenerate it?! She seems to be an offensive type. Bah anyway.. 2 more days. Damn it Claymore isn't as popular as Bleach to get the next chapter's scans so early.

[Bikerider]

Yuma will remain very important in future chapters. She will, in the near term, be required as the one to mega slap Clarice to her senses while the others carve Agatha into tenderised youma chunks.

[yezhanquan]

Just a question: Is Jump Square released at the same time as Weekly Shounen Jump when it comes to the beginning of the month? Bleach, One Piece and Naruto are updated. So, if the two mags are released on the same day, we should be getting raws by now.

[Negativedark]

If this upcoming chapter ends with another cliffhanger, I will hate Yagi.
Miata regenerating?! Did she even lose something to regenerate it?! She seems to be an offensive type. Bah anyway.. 2 more days. Damn it Claymore isn't as popular as Bleach to get the next chapter's scans so early.

Agatha did put a bunch of holes in Maita. She needs to regenerate them so she doesn't bleed to death. As for that end, if this spoiler is accurate, then it probably won't be the seven ghosts, as they wouldn't feel an aura.

[mosmos]

Well, the real chapter will be released very soon and I don't find this "spoiler" particularly interesting so I won't do a full translation, but as a condensed version:

Clare's party climbs a cliff, Yuma is exhausted and Miria announces they will rest for a bit. Cynthia informs them that they will be in the area of Rabona if they continue for half a "mark" (see my last post), Helen wants to go there but is outvoted because they want to avoid the Org.

On Clarice's instruction Miata tries to regenerate while Galatea and the Soldiers hold Agatha off. Agatha captures Galatea and whispers that she will kill the townspeople in front of her before killing her. Clarice tries to protect the first child she is attacking, but is sent flying and Galatea fails to break free, when suddenly they feel an aura.

Thank you V Reader... as you said, it's probably a fan fiction as per last month. I am sorry.

[yezhanquan]

Well, somehow I feel that the quality of Claymore had gone down a little with this "filler" arc on Galatea. It's just me, but yeah. Personal favourite arc is the Witch's Maw.

[chibamonster]

oi give it a chance :D! Claymore hasn't let me down so far and I don't see any reason why it would start now. There must be a reason that we have been introduced to this new Clarice character and it should be popping up fairly quickly. It has just been a painfully long time to know what is happening to poor Galatea. We went months not even knowing if it WAS galatea in the town.

[yezhanquan]

In that way, this development of Galatea gets my approval. But, a blind warrior nun: the cynic in me is screaming that Yagi-sensei is pandering to certain stereotypes. The pseudo- tentacle rape stuff gets my thumbs down as well.

On the other hand, Galatea blinding herself to go undercover. On top of that, she likes kids. Definitely part of the "seeking human attributes" theme of the series. Let's hope that love and determination will help her beat the odds.

[Voracious Reader]

Thank you V Reader... as you said, it's probably a fan fiction as per last month. I am sorry.
You're welcome. But what are you apologizing for? You posted on-topic content that ignited some discussion and might potentially have been quite interesting. Anyone who should think he wasted his time has only himself to blame.

[yezhanquan]

Still waiting. Sigh.

[mosmos]

You're welcome. But what are you apologizing for? You posted on-topic content that ignited some discussion and might potentially have been quite interesting. Anyone who should think he wasted his time has only himself to blame.

Ok since it's alright.. i found another summary which most likely be fake (I dont know Japanese)

アガサがミアータにとどめを刺そうと触手で攻撃するが全てバラバラにされる
アガサ「あれ？」
ミアータ「いたい…じゃま…」
アガサの背後でそう呟き人型の部分を細切れにする
ガラテア「ば…馬鹿な」
ミアータ「あたまいたい…なおった…」
アガサの土台部分でそう呟いていると、突然土台から大量の触手が生えてきてミアータを取り囲む
ガラテア「いかん！奴はまだ…！」
しかし、次の瞬間にはミアータは地面に着地しており、アガサの巨大な体は縦に真っ二つにされて いた
しかしアガサも負けじと、触手で割れた体をつなぎ合わせる
さらにその上を行くミアータは既にアガサの四本の巨大な足を切り崩し、アガサをこけさせる
アガサの体の下敷きになって建物が崩れる
ガラテア「あの化け物を…信じられん！」
クラリス「すごい…」
シド「なんだ、ありゃ…まるであっちの方が化け物じゃねぇかよ…」
アガサ「ぐ…が…うう…」
土台の部分から人間型のアガサが新しく生えてきて、ズブリと抜け落ちる
アガサ「はぁはぁ…こんなはずでは…私がこんな…」
人間の姿で這いつくばって逃げ出すアガサ
しかし、アガサが見上げると、周りには大量の武装したラボナ兵が
アガサ「ま…待って…話があるのよ…お願い…たすけ…」
グシャグシャッ
ラボナ兵たちに槍で何度も突き刺され、手だけを伸ばした格好でアガサ絶命
ガラテア「終わったか…」
クラリス「まだ…まだ終わっていません！」震えながらもガラテアを見据えるクラリス
ガラテア「ひとまず休戦と行こうじゃないか…そっちのおチビもそう望んでるみたいだがな」
クラリス「え？」
ミアータ「ママ…ママ…つかれた…」
クラリスに抱きつくミアータ
ガラテア「…ついてこい、教えてやるよ…組織の真実を…」

[Fenrir_valindri]

If this upcoming chapter ends with another cliffhanger, I will hate Yagi.
Miata regenerating?! Did she even lose something to regenerate it?! She seems to be an offensive type. Bah anyway.. 2 more days. Damn it Claymore isn't as popular as Bleach to get the next chapter's scans so early.

I'd hate to break it to you, but Yagi almost always ends his chapters in cliffhangers, so your destined to disappoint yourself if you expect otherwise.


As for regenerating, all those wounds Miata had aren't exactly for show, she would need to heal them.

[yezhanquan]

Ending chapters in cliffhangers. Well, given a 30+ page allocation a month, it's hard NOT to end in cliffhangers. 76 was an oddball, with <30 pages. I do hope that we'll be compensated.

[Zu Ra]

Ok since it's alright.. i found another summary which most likely be fake (I dont know Japanese)

アガサがミアータにとどめを刺そうと触手で攻撃するが全てバラバラにされる
アガサ「あれ?」
ミアータ「いたい…じゃま…」
アガサの背後でそう呟き人型の部分を細切れにする
ガラテア「ば…馬鹿な」
ミアータ「あたまいたい…なおった…」
アガサの土台部分でそう呟いていると、突然土台から大量の触手が生えてきてミアータを取り囲む
ガラテア「いかん!奴はまだ…!」
しかし、次の瞬間にはミアータは地面に着地しており、アガサの巨大な体は縦に真っ二つにされて いた
しかしアガサも負けじと、触手で割れた体をつなぎ合わせる
さらにその上を行くミアータは既にアガサの四本の巨大な足を切り崩し、アガサをこけさせる
アガサの体の下敷きになって建物が崩れる
ガラテア「あの化け物を…信じられん!」
クラリス「すごい…」
シド「なんだ、ありゃ…まるであっちの方が化け物じゃねぇかよ…」
アガサ「ぐ…が…うう…」
土台の部分から人間型のアガサが新しく生えてきて、ズブリと抜け落ちる
アガサ「はぁはぁ…こんなはずでは…私がこんな…」
人間の姿で這いつくばって逃げ出すアガサ
しかし、アガサが見上げると、周りには大量の武装したラボナ兵が
アガサ「ま…待って…話があるのよ…お願い…たすけ…」
グシャグシャッ
ラボナ兵たちに槍で何度も突き刺され、手だけを伸ばした格好でアガサ絶命
ガラテア「終わったか…」
クラリス「まだ…まだ終わっていません!」震えながらもガラテアを見据えるクラリス
ガラテア「ひとまず休戦と行こうじゃないか…そっちのおチビもそう望んでるみたいだがな」
クラリス「え?」
ミアータ「ママ…ママ…つかれた…」
クラリスに抱きつくミアータ
ガラテア「…ついてこい、教えてやるよ…組織の真実を…」

Babel Fish again so be prepared to be amazed :)



* That アガサ probably will stick leaving to ミアータ, it attacks with the tentacle, but everything アガサ "that which makes disjointed? "ミアータ" we would like to be... hindrance... "so you murmur at back of アガサ and ガラテア which makes the part of human type the small being cut off"... the fool "

* ミアータ" the head you would like to be... it was, when... "so you have murmured in the base part of アガサ, suddenly the mass tentacle growing from base, the ガラテア" circumstance which surrounds ミアータ! The person still...! But ", but as for ミアータwe were landed to the land to the following instant, the enormous body of アガサ vertically was made true っ two, also アガサ is defeated and becoming the underlay of the body of アガサ


* where furthermore on that the body which cracks with the じ and the tentacle is connected ミアータwhich goes already breaks down four these enormous feet of アガサ, makes ア moth サ be hollow" that monster of ガラテア where the building deteriorates... it is to be believed! "クラリス" it is enormous... "シド" what it is, to be and don't you think? the ゃ...

* Quite that one the monster whether the ぇ... "アガサ" ぐ...... the う う... "アガサ of human type to be new growing from the part of base, to pass through with ズブリ and" the ぁ... with such an expectation... I such... crawling アガサ ぁ which "falls with the form of the human and distributing and but アガサ which escapes, when アガサ to see, around the mass ラボナ soldier who is armed アガサ" the ま... waiting... there is a story, is... the request... it helps...

* "the グシャグシャッ ラボナ soldiers Many degrees were thrust with the spear, with the appearance which extends just the hand アガサ decease ガラテア "ended..." クラリス "still... it has not ended yet! Although "trembling, クラリス ガラテア which stares ガラテア" with suspension of hostilities it probably will go it is not... so desires your that also チビ and the る would like to see for the present, or is, but "the クラリス" obtaining? "ミアータ" the mother... the mother... you became tired... "ミアータガラテア which clings to クラリス"... being attached, it is dense, teaching... truth of organization... "


Sounds more plausible as has parts related to last chapter

[mosmos]

Sounds more plausible as has parts related to last chapter[/QUOTE]

LOL

[yezhanquan]

mosmos: Which Claymore did you use for your avatar?

[mosmos]

mosmos: Which Claymore did you use for your avatar?

I am not telling... Only true claymore fanatics knows. :p

[Fenrir_valindri]

Don't know her name, but she was one of the last Claymores standing after Jean died and Priscilla was counting the lights. :uhoh:

[yezhanquan]

She reminds me of Zelda, #24. At Livejournal, at least there's a snapshot of all 24 warriors who were at the North. Zelda seems to fit the avatar the most.

[Sci-Fi]

I use another translator program...still not accurate but find it's a bit better than the rest:


1st one:

作者の都合により名無しです:2008/01/30(水) 16:58:56 ID:8Gj1tfSbO
SCENE 77 届かぬ願い (仮)


切り立った断崖を駆け登り、周辺の風景を見下ろすクレア一行
肩で息をするユマの様子をミリアが見て、ここで小休止する事を告げる
我々はどこら辺りまで来たんだ?のデネヴの問いに、
今のスピードで半刻も進めば聖都ラボナの辺りです、とシンシア
「ラボナ」の地名にクレアが反応する、ミリアが知ってる町か?と問う
過去に妖魔討伐をしただけだ、と素っ気なく答えるクレア
ヘレンが山の中ばかりで飽きたから寄ってみないかと言い出す
クレアは一瞬答えに間を置く、が存在を組織に知られたとは言え
足取りを掴まれたくはないと答え、このまま南下を続けようと提案する
不満顔のヘレンと息絶えだえのユマを除き全員一致でそのまま南下をミリアが宣言する

場面変わって聖都ラボナ
思惑通りに二人にダメージを与え満足気に勝ち誇るアガサ
クラリスは落ち着いて再生するようにミアータに語りかけるが
ミアータは攻撃型のうえ、再生が苦手らしく上手くいかない
アガサはまず防御型であるガラテアに攻撃を集中させる、
ガーク達の援護もあり何とかかわしてはアガサに効果のない攻撃を繰り返す

ガラテアやガーク達兵士の必死の様子にアガサは健気に町の人間を遠くへ
逃がす時間稼ぎをしてるつもりかと笑い顔
腹部の傷が響き、アガサに掴まってしまうガラテア
このまま殺そうと思ったけど気が変わった、
あなたの前であなたの守りたかった町の人間達を一人ひとり殺してあげる、
捕らえたガラテアの耳元でそう告げるアガサ
ゲスめ、と顔を歪め罵るガラテアに、あら、こういう趣向も意外と悪くないわよ
…私のお勧めよ、と笑顔で返す
町の郊外に逃げるラボナの人々、逃げる住人達の目にアガサの巨大な姿が写る
まず誰からいこうかしらと獲物を探すアガサ、父親に連れられた子供に目を止める
まずこの子にしましょうか、と触手を伸ばすアガサ
見かねたクラリスが子供を救おうと間にはいるがあっさりアガサに跳ね飛ばされる (小金库去救孩子,GJ!)
狼狽しやめろと叫ぶガラテア、妖力開放しアガサから逃れようとするも
傷口に触手を突き刺され、苦痛の叫びをあげる
あなたのその盲目の目に見せられないのが残念だけど…
とアガサが言いかけたその時、ミアータとアガサとガラテアが何者かの妖気を感知する
この妖気…まさか…
ガラテアが意味深なつぶやきを洩らす

以下次号

There is no name is with the circumstances of the writer: 2008/01/30 (water) 16:58: 56 ID: 8Gj1tfSbO SCENE 77 the request which does not reach (temporary)


You ran and climbed the precipice which sheers, [miria] looking at the circumstances of [yuma] which does breath with the [kurea] one line shoulder which disdains the scenery around, small we who inform the fact that you stop came to around somewhere and others here, it is? If in the question of [denevu], also semi- carving/moment advances at current speed, it is around saintly capital [rabona], that [kurea] reacts to the place name of sincere “[rabona]”, [miria] knowing, [ru] town? With 妖 demon suppression just was done in the past when you question, that [kureaheren] which answers without the element [tsu] air the mountain being halfway temporary, because you grew tired, that [kurea] which you propose whether it does not try approaching, puts between in the instant answering, existence was known with calls to the organization the pace be caught to want, to answer that it is not, [miria] declares going south that way in everyone agreement excluding [yuma] of the obtaining which is Helen and the breath becoming extinct of the dissatisfied face which proposes that going south will be continued this way,

The scene changing, it gives the damage to two people according to of saintly capital [rabona] thought and [agasakurarisu] which is triumphant in the satisfactory air settling, that it plays back it narrates to [miata], but [miata] seems with respect to attack type, weak point playback and [agasa] which does not go well makes attack [garatea] concentrate which first is defense type, it is and somehow exchanges also backing [gaku] and it repeats the attack which does not have the effect in [agasa]

However as for [agasa] whether the intention of doing the stopgap which lets escape the human of town to the distance to the health air you will laugh and in desperate circumstances of [garatea] and the [gaku] soldier the scar of the face abdomen will echo, [garatea] which is caught in [agasa] tried probably to this way kill the air changed, when you we would like to protect before you, individual killing the humans of town, the [wa] where roughly, either such idea unexpected is not bad to [garatea] which so the [agasagesu] [me] which is informed, with twists the face in the ear origin of [garatea] which is caught abuses,…That [agasa] which extends the tentacle [kurarisu] which it is unable to see whether me you will recommend, with you will make first this you stop the eye in the child who is accompanied in [agasa] and the father who search the oak and others and the game which first probably will go from someone where the enormous form of [agasa] is taken to the eye of the people of [rabona] which escapes to the suburb of the town which is returned with the smiling face and the residents who escape child, probably will rescue the child it goes between, but it is spattered to [agasa] simply, (the nest egg 库 leaving rescuing 孩 child, GJ!)
Not being shown to your that blind eye which [garatea] which shouts that be confused and stop, 妖 power it tries it will open and to escape from [agasa] you to thrust the tentacle to the wound, the scream of pain increases but regrettable
With that time when [agasa] starts speaking, [miata] and [agasa] and [garatea] perceive the ghostly air of some person this ghostly air… whereNever…
[garatea] meaning deeply leaks the and the coming

Below next issue

[B]2nd one:

アガサがミアータにとどめを刺そうと触手で攻撃するが全てバラバラにされる
アガサ「あれ?」
ミアータ「いたい…じゃま…」
アガサの背後でそう呟き人型の部分を細切れにする
ガラテア「ば…馬鹿な」
ミアータ「あたまいたい…なおった…」
アガサの土台部分でそう呟いていると、突然土台から大量の触手が生えてきてミアータを取り囲む
ガラテア「いかん!奴はまだ…!」
しかし、次の瞬間にはミアータは地面に着地しており、アガサの巨大な体は縦に真っ二つにされて いた
しかしアガサも負けじと、触手で割れた体をつなぎ合わせる
さらにその上を行くミアータは既にアガサの四本の巨大な足を切り崩し、アガサをこけさせる
アガサの体の下敷きになって建物が崩れる
ガラテア「あの化け物を…信じられん!」
クラリス「すごい…」
シド「なんだ、ありゃ…まるであっちの方が化け物じゃねぇかよ…」
アガサ「ぐ…が…うう…」
土台の部分から人間型のアガサが新しく生えてきて、ズブリと抜け落ちる
アガサ「はぁはぁ…こんなはずでは…私がこんな…」
人間の姿で這いつくばって逃げ出すアガサ
しかし、アガサが見上げると、周りには大量の武装したラボナ兵が
アガサ「ま…待って…話があるのよ…お願い…たすけ…」
グシャグシャッ
ラボナ兵たちに槍で何度も突き刺され、手だけを伸ばした格好でアガサ絶命
ガラテア「終わったか…」
クラリス「まだ…まだ終わっていません!」震えながらもガラテアを見据えるクラリス
ガラテア「ひとまず休戦と行こうじゃないか…そっちのおチビもそう望んでるみたいだがな」
クラリス「え?」
ミアータ「ママ…ママ…つかれた…」
クラリスに抱きつくミアータ
ガラテア「…ついてこい、教えてやるよ…組織の真実を…」

That [agasa] probably will stick leaving to [miata], it attacks with the tentacle, but everything [agasa] “that which makes disjointed?”
[miata] “we would like to be…Hindrance…”
[garatea] which so murmurs at back of [agasa] and makes the part of human type the small being cut off “…The foolish” [miata] “head it was to be,…… Where it is”

When so you have murmured in the base part of [agasa], suddenly the mass tentacle growing from base, the [garatea] “circumstance which surrounds [miata]! The person still…!”

But, but as for [miata] we were landed to the land to the following instant, the enormous body of [agasa] vertically was made true [tsu] two, also [agasa] is defeated and becoming the underlay of the body of [agasa] where furthermore on that the body which cracks with the [ji] and the tentacle is connected [miata] which goes already breaks down four these enormous feet of [agasa], makes [agasa] be hollow “that monster of [garatea] where the building deteriorates…It is to be believed!”

[kurarisu] “enormous…”
It is [shido] “what, it is, [ya]…Quite don't you think? that one monster whether [e]…”
[agasa] “[gu]……[u] [u]…”
[agasa] of human type to be new growing from the part of base, [agasa] which it passes through with [zuburi] and falls “the [a] [a]…With such an expectation…Me such…”

It crawls with the form of the human and it distributes and escapes but [agasa] which, when [agasa] to see, around the mass is armed [rabona] soldier who [agasa] “[ma]…Waiting,…There is a story, is…Request…Help…”
In the [gushiyagushiyatsurabona] soldiers thrust many degrees with the spear, [agasa] decease [garatea] “ended with the appearance which extends just the hand…”

[kurarisu] “still…It has not ended yet!”Although trembling [kurarisugaratea] which stares [garatea] “with suspension of hostilities it probably will go it isn't for the present?…So desiring also your that [chibi], but [ru] like” [kurarisu] “you obtain?”

[miata] “mother…Mother…… Where you become tired”
[miatagaratea] which clings to [kurarisu] “…Being attached, it is dense, teaching…Truth of organization…”

[mosmos]

Don't know her name, but she was one of the last Claymores standing after Jean died and Priscilla was counting the lights. :uhoh:

you are right . Miria fan;)

[yezhanquan]

I was right. It IS Zelda.

Back on topic: Who thinks that Agatha's death will be a drawn-out affair, or a lightning quick one?

[fuzzles]

jeez i'm reading through this thread and I just realized I forgot the names to most of the character's been so longggg so I'm clueless to who people like agatha are guess i'll be doing some rereading before the 4th

[RevanX]

Ok since it's alright.. i found another summary which most likely be fake (I dont know Japanese)

アガサがミアータにとどめを刺そうと触手で攻撃するが全てバラバラにされる
アガサ「あれ？」
ミアータ「いたい…じゃま…」
アガサの背後でそう呟き人型の部分を細切れにする
ガラテア「ば…馬鹿な」
ミアータ「あたまいたい…なおった…」
アガサの土台部分でそう呟いていると、突然土台から大量の触手が生えてきてミアータを取り囲む
ガラテア「いかん！奴はまだ…！」
しかし、次の瞬間にはミアータは地面に着地しており、アガサの巨大な体は縦に真っ二つにされて いた
しかしアガサも負けじと、触手で割れた体をつなぎ合わせる
さらにその上を行くミアータは既にアガサの四本の巨大な足を切り崩し、アガサをこけさせる
アガサの体の下敷きになって建物が崩れる
ガラテア「あの化け物を…信じられん！」
クラリス「すごい…」
シド「なんだ、ありゃ…まるであっちの方が化け物じゃねぇかよ…」
アガサ「ぐ…が…うう…」
土台の部分から人間型のアガサが新しく生えてきて、ズブリと抜け落ちる
アガサ「はぁはぁ…こんなはずでは…私がこんな…」
人間の姿で這いつくばって逃げ出すアガサ
しかし、アガサが見上げると、周りには大量の武装したラボナ兵が
アガサ「ま…待って…話があるのよ…お願い…たすけ…」
グシャグシャッ
ラボナ兵たちに槍で何度も突き刺され、手だけを伸ばした格好でアガサ絶命
ガラテア「終わったか…」
クラリス「まだ…まだ終わっていません！」震えながらもガラテアを見据えるクラリス
ガラテア「ひとまず休戦と行こうじゃないか…そっちのおチビもそう望んでるみたいだがな」
クラリス「え？」
ミアータ「ママ…ママ…つかれた…」
クラリスに抱きつくミアータ
ガラテア「…ついてこい、教えてやるよ…組織の真実を…」


I really hope that isn't real. Agatha wouldn't go out that way, would she...

アガサ「ま…待って…話があるのよ…お願い…たすけ…」

"W..Wait.. I have something to tell you... please, help..."

Surely she has some class.

[Anima]

It's official!
And they are gonna save Rabona!
http://b.imagehost.org/t/0045/raphLuc.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0045/raphLuc.jpg)
Rafaela & Luciella

I got my hands on some raws and my theory proved right!

I am joking this is taken from the databooks.
As for the cliffhangers, I know but I still hate it. Got a problem with that? :p

[irvinethearcher]

You sure about this, anima?

[Negativedark]

WAAAH? No bloody way. Not that it wouldn't be cool, but at this rate we'll have 47 renegade Claymores by the end of the year. I mean I alway's figured that Raphelea was alive, but Lucelea? I'm waiting on confermation for this. Also I find it a little odd that they are in the Orgs uniforms still.

[v1nx]

emmmm....

didn't they die?

[irvinethearcher]

It's official!
And they are gonna save Rabona!
http://b.imagehost.org/t/0045/raphLuc.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0045/raphLuc.jpg)
Rafaela & Luciella

I got my hands on some raws and my theory proved right!

I am joking this is taken from the databooks.
As for the cliffhangers, I know but I still hate it. Got a problem with that? :p

It must be an old picture from the manga. But i couldn't find a pic like that. A fake?

I knew it, it is very very probably a fake!!!
look at databook 3 III-2 A-01 Here you can find the pic!

IMO the deaths should stay death.
please raw show yourself

[Fate_Archer]

Yeah, it's not even from the manga, it's from the databook III-2.
It's a section that has info about the Soul Link project, their attempts with Raphaella and Luciella (with this picture as an illustration) and their achievement with Alicia and Beth.
Voracious Reader translated this section in parts here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1331605#post1331605) (very interesting btw).

I'm positive that we'll have the raw in the next 24 hours. It's already february 3 in Japan.

[aurr]

Er i kinda don't understand.... there is a chapter realeased, righ? *100% blond*

[mosmos]

I'm positive that we'll have the raw in the next 24 hours. It's already february 3 in Japan.

Thank you for the good news :)

[Anima]

Hahaha.. I almost got you. I left that "." floating alone in the middle to give a hint about some hidden text.

Yeah, by tomorrow, I should be seeing some raws flying here and there.

[Lights of Euphoria]

From what little I managed to understand from that (maybe) false script it looks like Clarice (if that was her indeed mentioned) will have a bright idea of some kind and go and help Miata...
Then again I am an illiterate baboon so...

[stringer13]

SO there's no chance of having the raws come out today?

[zato_1one]

"W..Wait.. I have something to tell you... please, help..."

Surely she has some class.

That dialog comes from the male AB in Slasher arc before he was cut into pieces.

Chapter 76 isn't actually the first time that it doesn't show any progress of the story. The only problem for me is that it's too short. I think that it's just a set up for some important events later.

Normally, fight in Claymore doesn't be prolonged just for only the sake of fighting. Teresa vs 4xClaymore and Clare&Co vs Duff are an example. (Fight with Duff took around 7 chapters. That's a half of year!) Try to think that we have to wait for chapter/month for those arcs is also painful just like this time. That's why I still want it to be at least 2 chapters/month. :upset:

Ophelia vs Female AB and Luciella vs Isley are also an example because their fight don't contribute anything to the story at all. So they ends very quick. (Too quick IMO) At first I hope that the anime will prolong Luciella vs Isley scene. I want to see them animated very much but ... oh well ... :frustrated:

[stringer13]

The OPhelia vs Female Abbysal shows how strong Ophelia was while Luciella vs Isley was a battle that was supposed to kill an AByysal, which happened.

[Bikerider]

Ophelia would be youma chowder if it hadn't been for Raki and Clare distracting the AB.

[zato_1one]

Ophelia vs Female AB - In fact, Ophielia got owned. I think again. This fight has to be short so that Ophelia can catch Clare later.

[Anima]

Ophelia would be youma chowder if it hadn't been for Raki and Clare distracting the AB.
Did you read the manga of this section? In the manga, Ophelia almost took her head down. If you mean after she twisted Ophelia's neck, then it's more of the AB problem since she thought Ophelia was dead.

I'd say that Ophelia was fighting on par with that AB it's just that the AB had longer reaches if you know what I mean ;)

Luciella vs. Isley's fight took long enough for Riful to travel from the west to the south and catch Isley after he had just finished the battle. It was a long fight but didn't contribute anything to the story so kudos for Yagi for not wasting panels on extra stuff.

Agatha's fight is different as we are seeing chars development (e.g. Clarice, Miata, etc) but I hope this chapter (77) will give us some ass kicking events.

[stringer13]

Did you read the manga of this section? In the manga, Ophelia almost took her head down. If you mean after she twisted Ophelia's neck, then it's more of the AB problem since she thought Ophelia was dead.

I'd say that Ophelia was fighting on par with that AB it's just that the AB had longer reaches if you know what I mean ;)

Luciella vs. Isley's fight took long enough for Riful to travel from the west to the south and catch Isley after he had just finished the battle. It was a long fight but didn't contribute anything to the story so kudos for Yagi for not wasting panels on extra stuff.

Agatha's fight is different as we are seeing chars development (e.g. Clarice, Miata, etc) but I hope this chapter (77) will give us some ass kicking events.

I completly agree and Luciella's death also let there be another abbysal, alicia.

[wnmnkh]

It said that Clare will appear at the end of the chapter.

(not really confirmed)

[stringer13]

Then at least there would be a turn of events. Last chapter was somewhat pointless.

[Newhope]

It said that Clare will appear at the end of the chapter.

(not really confirmed)

If clare turns up on her own my predictions will turn out to be true, I think the main reason Agatha's in the story is to show how much stronger clare has become since fighting Rigardo.

[yezhanquan]

If clare turns up on her own my predictions will turn out to be true, I think the main reason Agatha's in the story is to show how much stronger clare has become since fighting Rigardo.

Well, I don't think she'll turn up alone. The rest of the 7 had agreed to follow her down south, so against the enemy, you'll at least have the Slayers 4.

P.S. Wonder if Helen would be munching on an apple when we see her again. Her and apples..

[Fenrir_valindri]

Well, I don't think she'll turn up alone. The rest of the 7 had agreed to follow her down south, so against the enemy, you'll at least have the Slayers 4.

P.S. Wonder if Helen would be munching on an apple when we see her again. Her and apples..

In that case it would be a way to show the improvement of all of the 7 Ghosts, remember that Rigaldo tossed them around like Ragdolls, but if they fight Agatha on even or superior terms, it would be quite telling.

[yezhanquan]

In that case it would be a way to show the improvement of all of the 7 Ghosts, remember that Rigaldo tossed them around like Ragdolls, but if they fight Agatha on even or superior terms, it would be quite telling.

I do not believe for a moment that Agatha is even remotely near Rigaldo's level. The 7 will have to polish up this lady without a scratch to impress me. Then again, that is what I'm expecting from them.

[Fenrir_valindri]

How do you get that impression? So far she has given us all the signs that she is a powerful AB, she has even gone so far as to toy around with highly powerful Claymores.

Remember that we only saw Rigaldo's strength relative to #6 Miria and Partially-awakened Clare. Agatha is up against Galatea, who made a fool of Dauf (former #3, only one rank below Rigaldo, and yeah yeah I know; Dauf is stupid) and has improved a great deal since then.

She also injured #4 Miata (potential #1 material) without the hyper-Yoki sensing Galatea even realizing it.

Both these Claymores are a great deal stronger then Miria was during the war in the North.

Rigaldo was most definitely impressive, but I would not say that Agatha is no where near as good as him, she may be weaker, yes, but not by much from what we have seen.

[yezhanquan]

I would disagree that Galatea had gotten better in terms of fighting skills. If anything, she had become weaker, due to lack of practice. Her hyper-sense can only do so much. I give that credit. But, unlike the Slayers 4, she hasn't hit on the idea that Yoki isn't everything.

Remember: Once Dauf concentrated, he was the one making a fool out of Galatea.

Conversely, I would think that Agatha, unlike Rigualdo, may have figured out that perhaps Yoki isn't everything. That was how she adjusted her moves so that they didn't use Yoki, leaving Galatea unable to tell that Miata got injured. If that is the case, I'll be really interested in her fight with the 7, should they really meet.

[Negativedark]

Let's not forget that Agatha is a very different creature from Rigaldo. I did an article on him a while back in the Biology thread, and I plan to do one for Agatha after her part in the story is done. But Rigaldo was dangrous due largly to base speed. Agatha is a compleatly different creature so fighting her will not be like fighting him.

[yezhanquan]

Let's not forget that Agatha is a very different creature from Rigaldo. I did an article on him a while back in the Biology thread, and I plan to do one for Agatha after her part in the story is done. But Rigaldo was dangrous due largly to base speed. Agatha is a compleatly different creature so fighting her will not be like fighting him.

That is true. For that matter, the named characters were largely different from each other, although I do feel that the new Miria is a bit like Noelle, only much more dangerous.

Well, back to the topic: We're dying from the wait =X.

[Bikerider]

Rigardo didn't play with his prey. He went full out with no mercy. Agatha is playing with her prey. Until Agatha goes all out it's hard to judge who is the stronger.

[Fenrir_valindri]

That is true. For that matter, the named characters were largely different from each other, although I do feel that the new Miria is a bit like Noelle, only much more dangerous.

Well, back to the topic: We're dying from the wait =X.

Statistically speaking, Miria is considered stronger then Noel actually, which is part of one of the debates I tried to get started on the stats thread over if the newer generations try to improve on the older ones, seeing as this newest generation seems to have better teamwork (maybe taking a cue from Miria's effectiveness.)

By the way, Agatha isn't lowering the Yoki in her body, she is simply focusing on her attacks like Dauf did, that's the reason she is not effected by Galatea's manipulation anymore.

I also disagree that Galatea is relying on Yoki, she has actually been limiting herself a great deal considering the situation, she has been using short bursts, instead of consistent release to get her out of sticky situations, and her new abilities allow her to use Yoki manipulation against foes who conceal them, so by all rights Yoki is still very important when she is concerned.

But I do agree that she has not improved anywhere near as much as the 7 Ghosts have.

Still dying from the wait as well, but soon my friends, soon. :cool:

[yezhanquan]

I would say that teamwork is one aspect, but the other is the newer generations scratching the surface on what makes Claymores tick, so to speak.

Galatea's strength lies in her usage of Yoki. Of her time, she is the one who gets the greatest boost when she goes 10% and so on. As to why she's not doing it now, I don't know.

[Siegzon Caritas]

I'm seeing some negativity toward Chapter 76. Just wanted to pipe in and say for me it was the high point of the series. Galatea beat the org, even if she loses the fight, she set her heart free during that fight. No other Claymore has succeeded in transcending their imposed fate. Galatea did.

I thought Chapter 76 was just about as good a heroic saga as you will find. Galatea blossomed. She awakened in an entirely different sense then used in Claymore.
specifically:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1323064&postcount=65

I see the story as resolved for Galatea, 77 will be the result that happens to her flesh, not her soul unless I misread it. She's already won.

[yezhanquan]

Er well, I believe Galatea still has some way to go.

First of all, she didn't exactly beat the organisation. The organisation thinks of her as a loose end that merely needs to be tied up. I'm sure they weren't losing sleep over her. Then again, I don't think they lose sleep over ANYTHING.

Miria's my hero, if I have to name one. Her self-blaming for being unable to keep all 24 of them alive was something to me. Galatea may have intended to protect Rabona. But, her plan was risky at best, and brings to mind Ophelia's comments that such people never give a thought to those whom they leave behind. Those kids whom she took care of in those short years: what would happen to them if she failed?

My impression was that Agatha was lying low in Rabona, taking a snack every now and then, until Clarice and Miata jump right in.

Also, Galatea's change of heart: how did it arise? My guess was during the Witch's Maw with Jean and Clare. Jean showed Galatea a thing or two about loyalty and friendship. So, ya, that's how things went. There's definitely more room for development.

[Siegzon Caritas]

It's about breaking chains inside yourself. Jean did that by having a rebirth, but the rebirth itself, the debt, held her back. Galatea does not have further to develop in the sense of knowing what direction to go, because in chapter 76 she got it. It is Love. That was the joy within her that burst out of her smile. If she survives, her role would be that of sensei and applying her wisdom, but I think she will either die or leave.

She may lose the fight, but she is free from the dark heritage of the Organization and the image they cast on the Claymores because of their heritage. Miria, even Jean, none of them transcended their role to become free agents with hearts free of vengeance and fear and worry and desire so that they could freely love. That was the answer that had been building in her as she served. Jean was one key. The need to help the city was one, but the daily helping the children, the practice of love gave her the insight of what to fight for without losing that center of joy that even makes you want to evangelize Agatha.

Galatea realized that it's not about Galatea or the Org or awakening, but some kids and the contrast of that realization against the wretchedness of the existential imposition of the Org gives birth to joy. It's what Christians mean when they use the word rejoice.

The author in 76 did the best description of religous conversion (metaphorically) that initial joy that I have seen in fiction; the Shakespearean stakes he lays out, by that I mean so extreme, allowed him to take us to the edge of human experience in 76.

[yezhanquan]

Well, in that case, it is up to the rest to do the clean up.

EDIT: Did it occur to you guys that maybe Yagi-sensei had fallen ill, and there may be no 77 this week?

[Fenrir_valindri]

I'm pretty sure the Manga chapter just isn't out yet, supposed to be released on the 4th, and its just early morning in the third for us here, almost the 4th in Japan I think.

[yezhanquan]

Er no. It's the afternoon of the 3rd in Japan, 1620 to be exact.

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

I don't see why every one thinks Galatea is so much weaker then the big 4. Or for that matter that Rigaldo was so much stronger then Agatha. They were both ranked #2 now I do think that Rigaldo might have been stronger but I don't think by much. Plus Agatha has shown here self to be very clever in using her powers slowly taking out Miata plus she was hiding all this time and nobody found her untill Galatea showed up. But Back to Galatea. Give the girl a break she is going up against an awakened former #2 and Miata who could be #1. At the same time no less. Is it not so suprising that she has taken some damage. But truethfully all she did was lose an arm. And gotten herself slashed up a bit. Like that matters in Claymore. Besides Galatea is a defesive fighter it will grow back. The fight isn't over yet. Galatea hasn't even released her powers yet she's just been trying to reason with Miata and saveing humens. Since she is protecting something that is important to her dhe might partially awaken. I can see that happening. Either way, don't write off Galatea just yet.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Just a few points :P

First, I never said that the Fab 4 are stronger then Galatea, I do believe however that Miria and Clare are very close, if not at, Galatea's level right now though.

Second, Galatea has been using her Yoki, she has used it every time she has knocked Miata away from her (as evident by the sudden burst in strength and the tell-tale signs of veins appearing on her arms.) So she has been fighting about as well as can be expected in her situation.

Third, Galatea is getting tired, so her being a defensive type isnt going to save her mid-combat like it does with Deneve (who is partially-awakened), Agatha even pointed out that her healing appears to be slowing down (implying that she has been keeping her wounds closed as not to bleed to death >.< )


But Galatea is doing amazingly well considering her situation.

As for the time in Japan, well there you have it, about another 24 hours before we can expect some accurate news on this chapter. :p

[yezhanquan]

I was always under the impression that somehow, the SCANS come out before the 4th every month. At onemanga, the documented dates for the recent 3 chapters were all before the 4th, so I thought at least the raws should be around the net by now. Apparently, it's not the case this month.

The debut issue came out in Nov.2 and the scans came out on the 3rd. My mistake.

[Lights of Euphoria]

I agree on the fact that Galatea is doing...surprisingly well considering everything. A former no. 2 Awakened being is...seems...to be really...half-heartedly...trying to kill Galatea. Maybe Agatha will get it going after a nice meal.
Miata on the other hand, is really trying to kill Galatea, but only because she heard Clarice (a.k.a momma') saying to kill her. All Clarice has to do is say ' Miata, go for the Awakened being, and will get her later.'
I have said Clarice is a complete waste of Claymore skin, but I have given her a break. Now, re-reading the chapter it seems like Clarice might need a break;
Here, I'll try and prove my point;
In the final chapter when we get to see Clarice's thinking in her self. She doesn't have a head full of ideas like Miria has. Miria is an experienced Claymore, a tactician and a strategist.
Clarice is ranked no. 47, she's got her hair color, she can barely swing her sword and she can't keep her body temperature up. All points to the fact she's still fairly new to the whole thing...maybe a month or two within the ranks, three months tops.
Look at the way Clarice thinks;

Full page scan of licensed manga deleted by moderator

She does have a good head on her shoulders. Knowing how weak she is, and not wanting to put Miata in any more danger then necessary, she wants to end this as soon as possible.
But, being still a newbie she doesn't know that the Organization probably knew that Agatha was in the Holy City and didn't bother with her, and she also doesn't seem to know that Miata is very unstable (a little more then Ophelia), and that she is..well...useless.
Remember the fight with Teresa? They sent four of the top five to get her head, and if Smiling Teresa wasn't as mercifull as she is they'd all be dead now.
The Organization probably counted on the fact that Agatha will come out, and kill ALL THREE OF THEM. Who cares Miata has the potential of no. 1? You think their going to keep something so weak as Clarice for long? Please...
Once Agatha is done with them they will send some REAL power and beat the living shit out of Agatha, get paid and be done with it...
Oh well...let's just see what happens...

Come on, come on...just one more day...I think I'm gonna' die baby! :D

[irvinethearcher]

@Lights of Euphoria
Yeah, but your spoiler was before agatha did make her "work of art".;)

I don't think that the org knew about agatha. They put so much effort in completing alicia.
They don't want to create an new AO with miata and i doubt that miata would be AO.
IMO she is stronger than an AO and weaker than Priscilla.
If they knew about agatha they probably have sent audrey, rachel and 3 to 4 other single digits along
with miata and clarice.
I think alicia is not for awakened being hunt. Her purpose is to protect the org in the east.

By the way:

Tokyo, Japan
Sonntag, 3. Februar 2008, 21:44:28

[yezhanquan]

Er irvine, this site is in Chinese. Thanks for the reference. I'll try to translate it.

Looks like the guys over at the other forum are going through what we have: speculation. I haven't seen anything of confirmed origins.

[irvinethearcher]

I hope it is worth translating because i have absolutely no clue about it's content but
i could read "claymore 77". Good luck!
Tokio, Japan: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2008, 22:09:42

[Anima]

I don't think that the org knew about agatha. They put so much effort in completing alicia.
They don't want to create an new AO with miata and i doubt that miata would be AO.
IMO she is stronger than an AO and weaker than Priscilla.
If they knew about agatha they probably have sent audrey, rachel and 3 to 4 other single digits along
with miata and clarice.
I think alicia is not for awakened being hunt. Her purpose is to protect the org in the east.
We don't know if the Org did or didn't know about Agatha. You have to remember that the Org didn't know the whereabout of Galatea and they have dispatched Miata and Clarice to hunt her down. It just happens that Galatea and Agatha were in the same town.

I am sure the Org wouldn't want another psycho AO to be born and would probably send a brute force team to avoid Miata's awakening if they knew about it in time.

As for where AO Miata fits, it's hardly easy to know where she fits or how much latent potential she has. Remember, she is #1 material in a time where the actual #1 is AO level.

[irvinethearcher]

We don't know if the Org did or didn't know about Agatha. You have to remember that the Org didn't know the whereabout of Galatea and they have dispatched Miata and Clarice to hunt her down. It just happens that Galatea and Agatha were in the same town.


Yeah, you're right about this. The org did only knew the area in which galatea hid. But if they knew the area they knew that rabona is in it and so they knew that agatha was in rabona. So they had to give the order to clarice not to fight galatea in rabona but to go back with miata and report.
i don't know how many grammar mistakes i made in this statement and don't want to know;)

Local Time Tokio: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2008, 22:24:34

[Anima]

You will only hurt yourself counting the minutes until the release! :p

I am off and wont be here before Feb 4th to ease my own pain! :D

[Voracious Reader]

Tokio, Japan: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2008, 22:09:42
Duden may claim that "Tokio" is the correct German spelling, but that just shows that Duden is completely clueless.
The Japanese should spell Berlin 婆淋　or 罵麟 in retaliation.

[yezhanquan]

Duden may claim that "Tokio" is the correct German spelling, but that just shows that Duden is completely clueless.
The Japanese should spell Berlin 婆淋　or 罵麟 in retaliation.

Well, if we Chinese choose to be rude to the Germans, we might have used those two phrases as well. In Chinese, Berlin's properly known as Bo Lin, while the kanji you used read as Po Lin and Ma Lin in Chinese.

Let's call a spade a spade. TokYo is the proper name of the capital of Japan, although why Japan was called that in English still eludes me. Nihon doesn't sound all that wrong.

[KrebMarkt]

Found a chinese forum with chap 77 Japanese=>chinese scanlations.
It's awfully slow i must reload again and again thanking firefox cache to be able to get the each scans and i'm not even done with it yet.


P30-31 => Clare is back :)
I curse the author for managing the suspense until the last pages.

[irvinethearcher]

I waited for her an entire month but i knew that she would finaly apear <3

[mycen]

It's about time! I don't really like clairce much at all, though the past few months was a refreshing break of events..

[KrebMarkt]

I waited for her an entire month but i knew that she would finaly apear <3

The author brings characters to the deepest despair before a ray of hope spell the upcoming/foretold doom of the Agatha.
GLORIOUS

[zato_1one]

New Chapter ROCK!!!! :D:love::bow:

Thanks for the link but I've to warn you that your link will be deleted by mod soon.

And it has a risk that you may be banned for giving a link to LC manga. :hmm:

I've already mentioned that I don't like the idea of 7 ghosts come save the day but this is still truly awesome. ^^

[Fenrir_valindri]

I really don't like the idea of them being saved by the Ghosts either, but I admit that I can't wait to see them in action.

Perhaps people are right, this is a chance for the 7 Ghosts to show much they have improved. :cool:

[Fate_Archer]

Looks like this month we'll have a very nice chapter.

It seems that Clarice finally made her resolution.
I'm a bit surprised with the end of the chapter, Yagi-sensei opted by the rescue device again.
But things are going to get very interesting now.

And most importantly, finally a strong sign of hope for Galatea's life.
Waiting for the scanlation now.

[Icephere]

Maybe Galatea will join the fab 7. I can't see her deciding to settle in Rabona after the organisation already knew where she is.
I'm not sure what kind of story will Clarice inform the organisation with..

[Lights of Euphoria]

It would really be a big shame if Galatea were to die...
She's of use to everyone, and has that charm around her...poor Duff...

[mycen]

Isn't Miata an offensive type warrior? The way she regenerated her hands after she lost them is just phenomenal ... maybe she is a defensive type with a savage mentality...
Oh and the way Clarice paniced and ran away just thinking of avioding death shows just how much inexperienced she is... though she did get her act together when she realized she was leaving miata behind..
Hehe ... how glorious is the return of the Fab 7!!!

[Sordes Pilosus]

Ahh this looks very promising. Im now also rather keen on the comming dialog that will happend in the near future. but for now oh i also cant wait for the scanlation or a propper translation :)

[Gooral]

One word: finally !
This chapter rocks, at last Clare shows up. After quite boring 76-th chapter and awesome 77-th I can't wait for next one.
Oh, and what's good about this chapter is that I don't need to know chinese to understand what's going on. Pure action.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Just finished looking over the RAW, and I must say, I had multiple Fan-gasms.

I'll post a Summary of what I can tell happened.


Agatha starts us off with an all out attack on everyone, Miata, Galatea, the Soldiers, and even Clarice. Miata dodges, as does Galatea, the soldiers bring up a shield wall, but several are killed anyway.
Clarice narrowly dodges, Miata sees this and is enraged and immediately attacks Agatha.

Agatha was waiting and throws a bunch of tentacles her way, injuring her further, but Miata catches several of them and begins to pull, Agatha is unimpressed, until Miata actually begins to move her. (Lol I love that little girl)

Agatha decides not to let this go on, and attacks Miata from the side with more tentacles. Miata bears with the injuries and continues pulling, but in her injured state, both her fore-arms tear off. Miata is pinned down by Agatha, and Clarice cries out to Miata.

Galatea attempts a sneak attack, put is impaled Miria vs Rigaldo style and then pinned to a wall, in a very cross-like pose.

Clarice is the only one still up, and she is nothing short of terrified.
Agatha threatens her and Clarice immediately begins to run, crying.

Agatha is about to impale her when a sword appears out of nowhere, stooping short due to Agatha's blocking hand.

Miata has reattached her fore-arms and threw her Claymore to save Clarice. Miata seems to be telling for Agatha not leave "mama" alone. Agatha responds (probably a negative response :P )

Clarice stares for a moment, and then continues running. (I definitely though "you bitch!" at this moment.) Telling Miata to slow her down. (I think)

Miata stares at her running away, looking a bit sad, Agatha seems amused.

Miata rises, intent on fighting Agatha, despite being impaled and badly injured, Agatha attacks again, injuring her further.

Miata is down again, unable to stand now, and is crying for "mama."
Agatha appears to be taunting Miata.

Clarice appears behind the distracted Agatha and attacks, Agatha looks unconcerned at first, but Clarice hits the right target, the hair.

Agatha attacks, but Clarice narrowly dodges, and gets to where Miata is and cuts her free, cradling Miata in her arms.

Galatea appears to have regained consciousness, and is surprised by Clarice's actions. Clarice appears extremely upset, and begins crying, but scolds Miata ( I'm assuming for being so reckless and getting herself so torn up) Miata is surprised, but begins crying, and gets hugged by Clarice. (God, Miata looks adorable when she isn't going "elven lied" eyes on us.)

Galatea "watches" and Agatha decides its time to end this, she attacks the immobile pair, but suddenly one of her armored legs are slashed up by the tell-tale signs of the Windcutter, and the tentacles miss.

Galatea appears amazed, she apparently did not sense them coming at all, in fact, I'm still not sure if she can sense them at all.

There stands the 7 Ghosts, all but Clare have their hoods up, Clare says something about Rabona and her having a special relationship, and not one she intends to let be destroyed.



Wow, despite not really wanting the Ghosts to come, the overall chapter really made this one of my more liked chapters in a while, glad to see that Clarice actually cares for the little death-machine, and seeing the little
death-machine get scolded almost made me laugh.


Also, Miata displays impressive ability in reattaching her limbs, I believe she just had enough Yoki to throw around, so she was able to reattach them quickly.

[KrebMarkt]

New Chapter ROCK!!!! :D:love::bow:

Thanks for the link but I've to warn you that your link will be deleted by mod soon.

And it has a risk that you may be banned for giving a link to LC manga. :hmm:

I've already mentioned that I don't like the idea of 7 ghosts come save the day but this is still truly awesome. ^^

Well i removed my link asap.
I got to tired to receive "You have been a naughty boy" PM by the moderators.


Page 29 : Reader notice that the boot is much the ones used by the F7

Excited the reader feverishly turns the page.

Page 30-31 : BOOM Double page on the F7 with Clare on the front.

[Newhope]

Very nice chapter good to know I was right about Clarice she isen't as weak as she appears,she's been the closest to takeing Agratha head.

It looks like the bonds between Clarice and Miata are getting alot stronger too Maita eyes looked like a normal frightened young girls in this chapter.And Maita's alot more mental stable than we give her credit for all that damage and still no signs of awakening she must really care about Clarice.

I can't remember if we have been told what type of warrior she is maybe she's like the twins and doesn't have a type.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I can't remember if we have been told what type of warrior she is maybe she's like the twin and doesn't have a type.

That is quite possible, the organization lists the Twins as "Unique" it is quite possible Miata is the same way, or she is like Priscilla and just has Yoki to throw around and heal her wounds faster.

[mycen]

Bloody Agatha was just toying with them all these while and when Clarice intervened, Agatha was not amused at all, more like she was finding everything to be boring. She was impressed by Miata's reattaching skills even as she is a child. Agatha did comment that is Miata and Galatea had cooperated against her as per Galatea's plan, things might not be so bad for them.
Clairce was mouthing about her not getting seriously wounded at all and wondered how she ended up in this state when Agatha attacked. Agatha's attack was foiled by Clare's windcutter!!
Galatea was surprised to see a chuck of Agatha getting cut up: She could not sense the Fab7 presence at all. She was definately surprised at this turn of events!
Nice to see Clare's windcutter technique again, the Fab7's stealth was essential to the surprise and Agatha is for once very serious.
Clare was saying that this town (Rabaona) and her shares a relationship and she will not see it devastated. She goes on to tell Agatha that she will die here.

I can't wait to see next month's episode already!

[khryoleoz]

Interesting. So apparently years of aura suppression is more effective than suppression pills, even though the pills change the eye color to normal. Depending on how long it has been that Raphaela has been suppressing her own yoki before she met Teresa, Teresa might still be the better sensor after all.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Interesting. So apparently years of aura suppression is more effective than suppression pills, even though the pills change the eye color to normal. Depending on how long it has been that Raphaela has been suppressing her own yoki before she met Teresa, Teresa might still be the better sensor after all.

Not the case with Priscilla, so I am putting it off to the fact Raphaela had not been supressing long enough. :p

But it is interesting to note that Natural supression is better then the pills.

[wnmnkh]

77 raw is out

Edit : whoops, no, chinese translated, and extremely low quality one.

Eidt 2 : whoops, right, ghost 7 appeared!

[Fenrir_valindri]

77 raw is out

Edit : whoops, no, chinese translated, and extremely low quality one.

Eidt 2 : whoops, right, ghost 7 appeared!

Hehe, we know. ;)

[Voracious Reader]

Why is the Chinese version out first?
My colloquial Chinese is not that good, but basically:
Agatha gloats that she wouldn't have lost even without resorting to doing that, but hates wasting her power and says that she is going to finish it up now.
Clarice tells the soldiers to escape.
Agatha claims to be surprised that Miata stopped ignoring her, but says that it's too late.
Then she wonders how this girl can have that sort of power.
And congratulates herself on having weakened her first. (when the hands rip off)
She admits that Galatea's plan might have worked (when Galatea tries to sneak attack)
Clarice whines about what she is supposed to do now and Agatha apologizes for ignoring her and offers to kill her together with the others.
Clarice doesn't want to die and cries for help.
Agatha offers to let Clarice escape, and congratulates Miata for reattaching her hands (even though clumsily) and being such a brave and well-behaving girl.
She changes her mind on letting Clarice escape and Miata cries that she won't forgive her for betraying Mama.
Agatha chides her for making such pronouncements when she can't move and decides to start with her instead.
Clarice cries about how she could do something like that, that she was afraid of Miata, because she was so young and still so much stronger, how she avoided fighting and still is unhurt. Miata apologizes.
Agatha is bored and decides to finish them off together.
Galatea calls for "the one with color" to take her (Miata) and escape.
Galatea wonders how a part of Agatha's body could be destroyed just like that.
Clare explains that seeing this city that is so deeply linked to her being destroyed so easily would cause her headaches.
Agatha asks who the hell they are.
Clare answers "You don 't need to know, because you are going to die here."

[Anima]

Guys, take your Teresa/Rafaela discussion outa here! :D

Awesome chapter and worth the waiting. I'll wait for the English version to better understand Clarice's actions tho the whole chapter was pretty much straight forward because of the action-packed events.

[Fate_Archer]

Why is the Chinese version out first?

I've been hearing a lot about this too.
Things like A) the already made SQ issues are sent to China earlier than when they are available to selling in Japan or B) SQ issues also being printed in China and somehow being available to be purchased earlier are the best explanations.

Chapter 75 was released 3 days earlier than expected.
I think there is definitely something going on with the SQ issues in China.

[Voracious Reader]

There stands the 7 Ghosts, all but Clare have their hoods up, Clare says something about Rabona and her having a special relationship, and not one she intends to let be destroyed.
Not that it matters, but I don't get it. How can you understand that if you can't read Chinese pretty well? It's the most difficult sentence in the whole chapter. And if you can read that, why do you have to speculate what they say elsewhere?

I've been hearing a lot about this too.
Things like A) the already made SQ issues are sent to China earlier than when they are available to selling in Japan or B) SQ issues also being printed in China and somehow being available to be purchased earlier are the best explanations.

Chapter 75 was released 3 days earlier than expected.
I think there is definitely something going on with the SQ issues in China.
Well, the version I read was translated by a Chinese scanlation group.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I can't read chinese at all (cept for a few letters that are the same as the Kanji in Japanese). I just edited my post with stuff from you guys who actually know what is going on. :p

[Negativedark]

Well now that we actually have the new chapter, and the Seven Ghosts will be back in the main story, I'm going to change my Signature in honor of it.

I wonder if Miata and Claris will desert after this?

[Mikke]

77 raw is out

Edit : whoops, no, chinese translated, and extremely low quality one.

Eidt 2 : whoops, right, ghost 7 appeared!

You people are totally ruining it for yourselves.... Wait, WAAIT... one more freakin day! :frustrated: lol

[Voracious Reader]

I can't read chinese at all (cept for a few letters that are the same as the Kanji in Japanese). I just edited my post with stuff from you guys who actually know what is going on. :p

Oh! That makes sense. I only checked posts above yours for spilling that. And I can't believe I failed to notice that the last page is a double page. This way the final sentence actually makes sense!

[Fenrir_valindri]

You people are totally ruining it for yourselves.... Wait, WAAIT... one more freakin day! :frustrated: lol

Back before Claymore got popular enough for scanlations I used to just look at the RAWs, and guesstimate what is going on (I was right more then 1/2 the time too.) So its something I just do now. So glad 10sigh started translating them, I would have died if I had to wait on the U.S. releases.

Oh! That makes sense. I only checked posts above yours for spilling that. And I can't believe I failed to notice that the last page is a double page. This way the final sentence actually makes sense!

Yeah, I'm a master at ninja-editing. :heh:

[Mikke]

Hey, a Clare/Galatea reunion.... neat :D I hope gally steals someones arm. btw, you could at least wait for the jap version.
T's what I do... manga level japanese isn't hard at all.

[Fenrir_valindri]

She doesn't need to, she is a defensive type, I just think its kind of funny that Galatea can't even tell that they are there.

[Voracious Reader]

btw, you could at least wait for the jap version.
T's what I do... manga level japanese isn't hard at all.
Do you realize that only applies to people who can read Japanese, but not Chinese, and that not everybody is in the same boat as you? Or even the majority?

[Chendzeea Li]

YeeeeeeeeeeekK!!! ((Bounces merrily)) Are we sure Miata didn't grow them some how?? They look all messed up and gross like Genevee's did when she grew them back? Just wondering :) Plus her hands were yanked off then she was promtly nailed to the floor how could she reach them.? Just opeservation :)

[Voracious Reader]

YeeeeeeeeeeekK!!! ((Bounces merrily)) Are we sure Miata didn't grow them some how?? They look all messed up and gross like Genevee's did when she grew them back? Just wondering :) Plus her hands were yanked off then she was promtly nailed to the floor how could she reach them.? Just opeservation :)
Agatha says so, in the Chinese translation at least.

[Anima]

YeeeeeeeeeeekK!!! ((Bounces merrily)) Are we sure Miata didn't grow them some how?? They look all messed up and gross like Genevee's did when she grew them back? Just wondering :) Plus her hands were yanked off then she was promtly nailed to the floor how could she reach them.? Just opeservation :)
The hand didn't look gross. The wrist was connecting the flesh of the hand and arm together just like when Clare was reattaching her thighs when Ophelia cut them off.
Seen some translations so far and all are confirming it was reattaching not growing.

Deneve's arm looked totally different than Miata's when she regenerated it.

As for how she reached them, she was using a roof's wall when she was pulling Agatha and the hand must have fell on the roof where she was slammed. Anyway, no big deal really. Miata could move while she was nailed unlike Galatea who was helpless. She is a child monster! :D

[yezhanquan]

Looks like most of us got what we want.

P.S. There's a Chinese movie named "7 Swords" (Qi Jian). Expect to see some usage of this term when the Chinese refer to the 7 ghosts.

[Newhope]

Looks like most of us got what we want.

P.S. There's a Chinese movie named "7 Swords" (Qi Jian). Expect to see some usage of this term when the Chinese refer to the 7 ghosts.

Well technically there's 8 swords with the ghosts:P

[stringer13]

:DThanks Anima!

Oh and for people who are always argueing how Miria and Clare can compete against Galatea, it is obvious now they would defeat her one on one because even she with her superior Yoki reading couldn't sense Clare and the others.

Also it seems that there is a weakness in the pills afterall. Earlier we discussed that there might be one because of Jean seb=nsing something when Clare first saw her. Most people just said that it might be instinct but it might be more after all. Galatea could sense Miata and Clarice so even with the pills help it doesen't neccesarily mean that the Yoki is completly suppresed. However she couldn't sense the fab 7 who have suppresed their Yoki for seven years.:confused:

[mosmos]

Thank you!! you made my day..

[Zu Ra]

Full translation (script) for those who can't wait for the scanlations:
http://forum<snip>/

Luckily you didnt post that . Full Scripts arent allowed on AS . : )

But thanx for the post finally we know whats going on and hoping for some pics ^o^

[Gavrielo]

Upon reading raw version of 77, Someones prediction came true lol.

[yezhanquan]

Well technically there's 8 swords with the ghosts:P

Ya. Deneve with the odd double swords. But still, I guess it works.

And here's a little gag thought for my favourite part of 77.

Underneath the hoods, what the other 6 are really thinking...

Helen: Hoods and I don't mix. Period. (I mean: I look like some psycho killer.)

Deneve: It's been a while, and only Clare gets to show her face?

Miria: Well, looks like Clare makes a better spokeswoman (than me).

Yuma: *A bit too afraid to be thinking anything*

Cynthia: This place is beautiful. Let's hope we don't chop it up too much.

Tabitha: I'll show them that I'm more than just an "eye".

Sorry if it's lame :heh:.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Ya. Deneve with the odd double swords. But still, I guess it works.

And here's a little gag thought for my favourite part of 77.

Underneath the hoods, what the other 6 are really thinking...

Helen: Hoods and I don't mix. Period. (I mean: I look like some psycho killer.)

Deneve: It's been a while, and only Clare gets to show her face?

Miria: Well, looks like Clare makes a better spokeswoman (than me).

Yuma: *A bit too afraid to be thinking anything*

Cynthia: This place is beautiful. Let's hope we don't chop it up too much.

Tabitha: I'll show them that I'm more than just an "eye".

Sorry if it's lame :heh:.


Let me try my hand at it.


Helen: OOOhhh, we get to look all mysterious and intimidating!

Deneve: Why did we let Helen talk us into this?

Miria: Why does Clare get to play the leader? I'm the leader!

Yuma: "whimper" why are we fighting an Awakened #2 AGAIN!?

Cynthia: Awww their hugging each other, and she calls her mama! (Looking at Miata/Clarice.

Tabitha: I hope I actually get to do something this time, instead of just closing my eyes and giving everyone status reports >.<


Hehe, yours was not bad :P

[Negativedark]

My turn
Helen- Wonder if I can get some apples?
Deneve- Damn, with two swords, I'll stick out in the lineup.
Miria- Galetea, former number 3. I have got ask her how she gets her hair like that.
Yuma- If I use Yuma Punch here, I could destroy the entire city!
Cynthia- Wait we can be nuns?
Tabitha- If she joins I'm going to be surperflourus.

[Chendzeea Li]

LOL Yumapunch

[Bonta Kun]

My turn
Helen- Wonder if I can get some apples?
Deneve- Damn, with two swords, I'll stick out in the lineup.
Miria- Galetea, former number 3. I have got ask her how she gets her hair like that.
Yuma- If I use Yuma Punch here, I could destroy the entire city!
Cynthia- Wait we can be nuns?
Tabitha- If she joins I'm going to be surperflourus.


see now, Yuma = secret weapon! her later power up is the YUMAKAMEHAMEHA!!!

now to see this animated would be just awesome but I guess that will most likely stay a dream for the foreseeable future:(

but thats ok as I am really enjoying it, in its black and white attire so its all goooood

oh and thinking about my Cynthia as a nun............:love::naughty::bow:

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

luls, Yuma-punch, where is that from? Did I miss something or is it just a take on the Louy punch, from Rune Soldier? Cause thats an amusing mental picture.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Not really sure myself, but I know that it probably all started from Gu:GA's artwork, that guy loves Yuma, and makes her look cool enough for even me to become a fan of her.

The Yuma Punch is a joke that developed with people wanting Yuma to come and knock Clarice's block off the past few chapters.

[yezhanquan]

As is the case most of the time, waiting for next chapter already. *Sigh, and goes off to wait for next Dgray chapter*

[Flar]

Interesting chapter, we finally see how Clarice, Miata and Galatea will be relevant to the main story arc, by meeting the ghost 7.

Highlight of the chapter was Clarice's power of despair. She's really amazing, almost getting a killshot on Agatha, then dodging her tentacles or slicing them, all that without releasing Yoki. This is no small feat when Agatha's tentacles were fast enough to wound and nail the theoritetically stronger Galatea and Miata, even if they were distracted at the time. Makes me wonder if Clarice's contribution to the story will be the contrived old "humanity power" from which the hero learn to be uber powerful with a small amount of yoki in them and without releasing.

Galatea not sensing the ghosts more or less settles the discussion about who is better sensor between her and Teresa. After a lifetime of being an eye, plus seven years of intense growth, she cannot sense 7 suppressed yokis a few meters away, when Teresa, before even graduating, could sense Rafaella from afar. Of course a case is to be made that he quality of suppression from the 7 ghosts is better than Rafaella's, but I have a hard time believing Rafaella would be inferior to even grunts like Yuma, after a lifetime of being schooled to suppres her yoki.

In chapter 78, unless Yagi sends a sort of curveball by making Riful/Isley/Raki/Prisc or someone from the org show up, Agatha will be an awesome punching ball to showcase what Deneve, Cynthia, Tabatha and Yuma can do before dying. We have seen what Clare, Miria and Helen gained from their training, it's time for the others to shine.

I'm curious about what Yagi intends to do with Clarice after that. Surely she could join the ghosts, if she was shaken enough about what's good and what's wrong, but I think she will stay faithful to the org, reporting that this group of black clad girls can slice through an awakened 2 like a hot knife through butter. After that, she and Miata have to have a purpose, maybe negotiator for the org, or sent elsewhere and miraculously meeting Raki or Riful, starting yet another arc? That would be consistent with her role so far. For Galatea I still don't see any purpose for her to live or stay in the thick of the action, story wise, except as a Riful bait.

Anyway, I'm looking forward chapter 79/80, afte the battle, where we'll see more clearly what Yagi intends to do with his story.


Oh, also, what Galk really said off camera, before ordering the shields up:
Clarice: Don't fight, this is madness!
Glak: Madness? THIS. IS. RABONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[chibamonster]

Ahh, exactly this is exactly what I wanted to see from Clarice :D. I knew she would have to make a decision before being saved by a third party (although I was hoping to see Raphaela the Ghosts are pretty cool too :p). The rough translation I saw makes me wonder a bit about Clarice's difficulty but so far it seems just as touching as I was hoping. Her coming to terms with being afraid of Miata along with Miata defending her even while torn to shreds was really something that I am glad to see. So this makes 2 times Clarice is saved by Miria's crew which is quite a debt to pay. I don't think Clarice has sufficient reason to leave the organization yet but we'll see what develops. Clarice attacking even though she has no chance of success is awesome.

Sid is probably going to blow a gasket with all the hot lady claymores around him. There are what, 10 claymores and a naked AB chick in Rabona right now? When Galatea explains that he attacked Agatha by himself and almost got her Clare is going to have to beat the other claymores off of him. *He kissed me first! He's mine! BAH! WINDCUTTER!* While Sid is comforting her by saying there is plenty of Sid to go around. Miria will finally have a chance to practice her Mirage Make out technique on a human.

I have a feeling the ghosts are going to have some difficulty with agatha or that another enemy shows up to challenge them. 10 claymores especially when Galatea and Miata might have stood a chance against Agatha together seems a bit excessive. Although I wouldn't mind seeing her cut to bits. There will be a lot of clean up in Rabona after this is over. If nothing else carting out Agatha's corpse is going to be a huge pain.

Finally, a chance for claymore beach volleyball; Clare and Miata vs Miria and Galatea. Yuma and Clarice as cheer leaders. I am imagining quite the battle of spikes and defense between windcutter and mirages.

[Bikerider]

And then they'll all head to the hot springs for some R&R.

[edf91]

Do you realize that only applies to people who can read Japanese, but not Chinese, and that not everybody is in the same boat as you? Or even the majority?

Yeap - the level of Japanese being used in manga is extremely hard for Chinese readers because the heavy use of romanji - unless one has some understanding of basic Japanese, we can barely tell heads or tails from what's being talked about in manga.

Ahh, exactly this is exactly what I wanted to see from Clarice :D. I knew she would have to make a decision before being saved by a third party (although I was hoping to see Raphaela the Ghosts are pretty cool too :p). The rough translation I saw makes me wonder a bit about Clarice's difficulty but so far it seems just as touching as I was hoping. Her coming to terms with being afraid of Miata along with Miata defending her even while torn to shreds was really something that I am glad to see. So this makes 2 times Clarice is saved by Miria's crew which is quite a debt to pay. I don't think Clarice has sufficient reason to leave the organization yet but we'll see what develops. Clarice attacking even though she has no chance of success is awesome.

It's extremely nice to finally see Clarice grow as a character - normally, she is doing what she was "taught" - there is no way she can win - if she can get help, maybe there is a chance of the town still in "one piece." By doing what she did, she basically commit suicide, as she is well aware of her chance of defeating Agatha. It's nice to know that she is just not treating Miata well because she is Miata - she does because she cares.


I have a feeling the ghosts are going to have some difficulty with agatha or that another enemy shows up to challenge them. 10 claymores especially when Galatea and Miata might have stood a chance against Agatha together seems a bit excessive. Although I wouldn't mind seeing her cut to bits. There will be a lot of clean up in Rabona after this is over. If nothing else carting out Agatha's corpse is going to be a huge pain.

Unless they decide to throw a curve and say Agatha is more powerful than Rigald, there is no way for Agatha to win - she can probably do heavy damage, since Claire and company has to protect the town. As long as Claire act as a shield (cut up every tentacle sent their way), Miria use her speed as "decoy" and let Helen do her attack, Agatha don't stand a chance.

[yezhanquan]

Interesting chapter, we finally see how Clarice, Miata and Galatea will be relevant to the main story arc, by meeting the ghost 7.

Highlight of the chapter was Clarice's power of despair. She's really amazing, almost getting a killshot on Agatha, then dodging her tentacles or slicing them, all that without releasing Yoki. This is no small feat when Agatha's tentacles were fast enough to wound and nail the theoritetically stronger Galatea and Miata, even if they were distracted at the time. Makes me wonder if Clarice's contribution to the story will be the contrived old "humanity power" from which the hero learn to be uber powerful with a small amount of yoki in them and without releasing.

Galatea not sensing the ghosts more or less settles the discussion about who is better sensor between her and Teresa. After a lifetime of being an eye, plus seven years of intense growth, she cannot sense 7 suppressed yokis a few meters away, when Teresa, before even graduating, could sense Rafaella from afar. Of course a case is to be made that he quality of suppression from the 7 ghosts is better than Rafaella's, but I have a hard time believing Rafaella would be inferior to even grunts like Yuma, after a lifetime of being schooled to suppres her yoki.

In chapter 78, unless Yagi sends a sort of curveball by making Riful/Isley/Raki/Prisc or someone from the org show up, Agatha will be an awesome punching ball to showcase what Deneve, Cynthia, Tabatha and Yuma can do before dying. We have seen what Clare, Miria and Helen gained from their training, it's time for the others to shine.

I'm curious about what Yagi intends to do with Clarice after that. Surely she could join the ghosts, if she was shaken enough about what's good and what's wrong, but I think she will stay faithful to the org, reporting that this group of black clad girls can slice through an awakened 2 like a hot knife through butter. After that, she and Miata have to have a purpose, maybe negotiator for the org, or sent elsewhere and miraculously meeting Raki or Riful, starting yet another arc? That would be consistent with her role so far. For Galatea I still don't see any purpose for her to live or stay in the thick of the action, story wise, except as a Riful bait.

Anyway, I'm looking forward chapter 79/80, afte the battle, where we'll see more clearly what Yagi intends to do with his story.


Oh, also, what Galk really said off camera, before ordering the shields up:
Clarice: Don't fight, this is madness!
Glak: Madness? THIS. IS. RABONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Liked the reference to 300.

Actually, I would like to see Galatea hushing Miata to sleep. She has been a nun for a year or two, and we know that she's good with the kids. It'll make Clarice's day if another person could/would show Miata some compassion. Remember, Galatea still has no idea that Miata's a kid.

I agree with your assessment. If she joins the 7, she won't be joining alone. More or less, we can see Clarice and Miata together like Jean and Clare before.

As to whether or not Galatea has sensed the 7 beforehand, we can't really tell. Yagi has a habit of going backward and forward in time. I would never forget how he explained the survival of the 7, that scene where Miria suggested the half-pill plan. It could be that she had sensed them a mile away and signalled to Tabitha that something is in Rabona. (Always thought that Yoki sensing cuts both ways. As you're sensing others, you leave yourself open as well.) But more probable is the case where Tabitha picked up something while they were still far away, Clare jogging her memory and remembering that Rabona was nearby.


Unless they decide to throw a curve and say Agatha is more powerful than Rigald, there is no way for Agatha to win - she can probably do heavy damage, since Claire and company has to protect the town. As long as Claire act as a shield (cut up every tentacle sent their way), Miria use her speed as "decoy" and let Helen do her attack, Agatha don't stand a chance.

As I mentioned earlier, for me to be impressed, the 7 "will have to polish up this lady without a scratch" (exact quote from my earlier post).

[irvinethearcher]

For Galatea I still don't see any purpose for her to live or stay in the thick of the action, story wise, except as a Riful bait.

-Riful's after her
-Helping clare to fully awakening and come back

Galatea is destined for something, i'm sure of it.

The chapter reminds me a bit of two towers when Gandalf the White finaly appears in Helms Deep and theoden says

"May this be the hour when we draw swords together"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQPFwgQi8z8

Very amazing :)
I especially liked the appearance of clare and that clarice was able to defeat her fear and save miata.

[yezhanquan]

-Riful's after her
-Helping clare to fully awakening and come back

Galatea is destined for something, i'm sure of it.

The chapter reminds me a bit of two towers when Gandalf the White finaly appears in Helms Deep and theoden says

"May this be the hour when we draw swords together"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQPFwgQi8z8

Very amazing :)
I especially liked the appearance of clare and that clarice was able to defeat her fear and save miata.

Actually, it would be interesting to see Galatea and Clare doing the Alicia/Beth experiment. If it works, it would shock the pants off the MIB.

[irvinethearcher]

I think it's not the same as the twins soullink but clare probably needs only someone who helps her in the end coming back with yoki alignement and supports her a bit during battle.

[yezhanquan]

But, that's a long time away, if it ever comes into being. For now, it's time to start the slicer for dicing, and the driller for boring. Slashes and holes: not too good for that naked whore.

Anyway, irvine's sig may be more accurate than we think, particularly if it relates to the goddesses Clare and Teresa.

[Mentar]

I don't see any reason why Claris/Miata should join the Mag7. They're still very much indoctrinated with the organization canon, and I don't really see this change anytime soon. Assuming that the next chapter works out as expected (the mag7 making mincemeat out of Agatha, preferably without breaking much of a sweat), I could imagine Galatea joining up - or continuing as a free agent friendly to them - but Claris has a different role in the story IMHO: She's what I call a "lens".

Look at it from this angle: Claris is a true organization's child. She believes in her mission, and she follows the organization's rules by the book (so far). She's inexperienced and a little bit naive, with almost no experience to rely on. Now she's sent on an assassination mission for a deserter. She's doubtful if Miata and she can pull it off, but she doesn't question the mission itself.

And what does she encounter? This despicable deserter actually fights to protect the city from harm. She doesn't even raise her sword against Claris and remains defensive against Miata. Even when it becomes obvious that her hope (to convince the attackers to join in an effort to vanquish an AB to protect the city) has failed, she doesn't run. More "deserters" from the past appear to rescue not only the city, but Miata and Claris too (that's just an assumption, but a logical one).

Now who are the bad guys here? Who are the good ones?

Claris will begin to DOUBT. And I believe it is her role to return to the organization, and have a very unfair and cold reception. Her story will underline the unfair and selfish cruelty of the organization, and scratch the white paint off the "we're there to protect humankind" lie. She will focus the readers' attention to this point - that's why I call her a "lens".

In a nutshell, Claris is a young, idealistic version of Clare (whose experiences have hardened her). All facts aside that she doesn't have the skill to become a part of Mag7, it's not where she really belongs. Over the upcoming storyline, I expect Claris to become the storytelling vehicle of the organization, and over time more and more turn against them. Let's see how things proceed :)

[Zsych]

I wonder why everyone sees the Org as evil. They can just be good but harsh people, born of a harsh world... and they know that their Claymores are potentially dangerous to the world and need to be controlled.
If a Claymore were to decide to work against humanity, even without awakening, she'd be a force not easily stopped, if the Org didn't stop her. I think this might just be a case of the rule of law, and working for what they believe to be the greater good of humanity, as opposed to caring about half-demon individuals :P Consider Pieta.. they did send a large part of their resources out for defensive purposes, while creating the second level defense... without someone asking them for help I suspect. They could as well have just run away and hidden with their Claymores till the ABs left.

[yezhanquan]

I don't see any reason why Claris/Miata should join the Mag7. They're still very much indoctrinated with the organization canon, and I don't really see this change anytime soon. Assuming that the next chapter works out as expected (the mag7 making mincemeat out of Agatha, preferably without breaking much of a sweat), I could imagine Galatea joining up - or continuing as a free agent friendly to them - but Claris has a different role in the story IMHO: She's what I call a "lens".

Look at it from this angle: Claris is a true organization's child. She believes in her mission, and she follows the organization's rules by the book (so far). She's inexperienced and a little bit naive, with almost no experience to rely on. Now she's sent on an assassination mission for a deserter. She's doubtful if Miata and she can pull it off, but she doesn't question the mission itself.

And what does she encounter? This despicable deserter actually fights to protect the city from harm. She doesn't even raise her sword against Claris and remains defensive against Miata. Even when it becomes obvious that her hope (to convince the attackers to join in an effort to vanquish an AB to protect the city) has failed, she doesn't run. More "deserters" from the past appear to rescue not only the city, but Miata and Claris too (that's just an assumption, but a logical one).

Now who are the bad guys here? Who are the good ones?

Claris will begin to DOUBT. And I believe it is her role to return to the organization, and have a very unfair and cold reception. Her story will underline the unfair and selfish cruelty of the organization, and scratch the white paint off the "we're there to protect humankind" lie. She will focus the readers' attention to this point - that's why I call her a "lens".

In a nutshell, Claris is a young, idealistic version of Clare (whose experiences have hardened her). All facts aside that she doesn't have the skill to become a part of Mag7, it's not where she really belongs. Over the upcoming storyline, I expect Claris to become the storytelling vehicle of the organization, and over time more and more turn against them. Let's see how things proceed :)

Well, for starters, I believe that now, she'll place Miata's welfare above just about anything else. She'll join the 7 not for her own sake, but Miata's.

I wonder why everyone sees the Org as evil. They can just be good but harsh people, born of a harsh world... and they know that their Claymores are potentially dangerous to the world and need to be controlled.
If a Claymore were to decide to work against humanity, even without awakening, she'd be a force not easily stopped, if the Org didn't stop her. I think this might just be a case of the rule of law, and working for what they believe to be the greater good of humanity, as opposed to caring about half-demon individuals :P Consider Pieta.. they did send a large part of their resources out for defensive purposes, while creating the second level defense... without someone asking them for help I suspect. They could as well have just run away and hidden with their Claymores till the ABs left.

Again, it's heavily implied that the MIB have a lot to hide, and they would do almost anything to hide them. When that happens, you cannot help but have a low opinion of them.

Also, as Clare and Co. have discovered, Claymores were not doomed to become Awakened Beings. That's another strike against the MIB.

Up to now, the old men seemed to be the chess players of the series. I personally believe that there's an even bigger player behind them. Not their overlords per say, but someone of another order of power altogether.

[Mentar]

Well, for starters, I believe that now, she'll place Miata's welfare above just about anything else. She'll join the 7 not for her own sake, but Miata's.

Why should she join? If the 7 bother to explain to her who they really are (possibly they even won't), why would THEY have any incentive to let Claris/Miata join? They are on a revenge mission, why would they invite a rookie and a loose cannon monster, both clear organization believers?

Sorry, makes no sense imho.

[Mentar]

I wonder why everyone sees the Org as evil. They can just be good but harsh people, born of a harsh world... and they know that their Claymores are potentially dangerous to the world and need to be controlled.

Excuse me? First of all, they are CREATING the Claymores, not merely "control" them. However, the real dealbreaker was their purposely wasting them as cannon fodder. Sending those on suicide missions who happen to begin to ask questions is not evil in your opinion?

Remember the famous chapter when we get to see them discussing matters in their own midst? Where they smugly chuckle "the best warrior is a warrior who lives middle-long and then dies"? This, in my opinion, is the epitome of evil.

[Shiryuu]

I'm not even sure if Clarice was trying to fool Agatha or really did just become brave all of a sudden.

And lol at Clare being the only one without a hood on.

[chibamonster]

There will definitely be some development for Clarice in the next little while. She has now been saved from certain death twice by the ghosts. When she figures that out I'm pretty sure she will do some heavy thinking. But even Audrey said she would have to raise her sword against the ghosts in the future after being saved from certain death/awakening from Riful and she knows a lot more about the organization that Clarice does.

I think the real development coming up is going to be someone looking at Miata and figuring out what she really is, whatever that happens to be. A potential number one is no laughing matter.

As for the organization being evil, yeah they are pretty much evil :D. The only people who would not consider them evil are maybe themselves and the towns who pay up and have speedy service; they only think the organization is overpriced. While the organization does perform a necessary function for humans in the claymore world, they don't care about humans. People dying is really no concern of theirs. It used to be that they didn't do anything about awakened beings but cover up that they were their own claymores and charge more for them. Towns that don't pay are annihilated. As seen in clare's first chapters they are willing to let more and more people die even for towns that have paid if they think they want more forces to go in. They don't care if they lose their claymores. They send their unwanted claymores on death missions. They are only hunting AB's now because of their own survival it seems (or maybe because they finally completed Alicia). I still can't believe that Clare blamed Priscilla over the organization for Clare's death. They ordered her execution because Teresa helped her. Tough call.

[Enara]

I hope that Clare tells Clarice that she was once #47 the look on Clarices face would be so funny

[khryoleoz]

The fab7 is an exclusive club formed of people who share a deep common bond, that they were all left to die in the Pieta holocaust yet survived thanks to Phantom Leader and Wild Thang. So Maita and Clarice, even Galatea would be disqualified from membership. Besides, Maita and Clarice have formed their own sisterhood, the Galatea Extermination Alliance.

[cf18]

Helen- How much apple we can bill this city for killing this AB?
Deneve- Damn, only one sword to pick up this time.
Miria- I will just let the former #3 lead the group - Clare will be her problem.
Yuma- Finally someone weaker than me. She will be my sidekick.
Cynthia- (Already eye measuring Galatea for making her new uniform)
Tabitha- I hope they don't force me to lose my eyes...
Clare- It will be awkward if Cid try to kiss me again...

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Let see, after Agatha was killed somewhere in the next chapter, assuming everyone survive...

Clarice and Miata cannot join the ghosts - they don't have the stealth skill to avoid organization scanners. Clarice will be far more useful as a spy inside the organization, but she is still far from reaching the no-return stage to rebel. Miata is far more loyal to Clarice than the organization at this point.

So Clarice is unlikely to ally with the ghosts, but will she report back the full story or try to hide the ghosts because they already save her butt twice? Audrey probably reported the ghosts to the organization already. Clarice also need to report their failure on killing Galatea.

Galatea cannot stay in Rabona - too many people had seen her in her true form. Even if the population let her stay, words will travel quickly into the organization. Her stealth skill is a good fit for joining the ghost. I wonder if she will get a heart warming or heart breaking scene when she say goodbye to her kids.

[Anima]

The appearance of the 7 ghosts definitely means that Clarice and Miata will have a major role in the story. IMO, it also means that we are near some major event story-wise.

I am really not sure what would Galatea do now. I don't think that she would join the 7 ghosts (altho I do believe that the ghosts would allow her in if she wanted, reluctantly tho) but I guess this would be solved after Agatha is finished. Clarice/Miata would not join the 7 ghosts nor I think they would be welcomed even if they chose to. It's just like Mentar said.

I also thought, like Agatha, that it was a comedy scene where those 2 emo girls were hugging and crying out loud in the middle of the battle. I appreciate Clarice's fear of death and being brave (or is it cowardly) enough to shout it out load. She is definitely not fit for battle and I wonder if her case would turn for the worse or not. I understand Miata's crying, she is seeing her mother crying so she has to join her.

[edf91]

As I mentioned earlier, for me to be impressed, the 7 "will have to polish up this lady without a scratch" (exact quote from my earlier post).

I was just commenting on the part where you said

I have a feeling the ghosts are going to have some difficulty with agatha or that another enemy shows up to challenge them - I just don't see how Agatha is nothing more than a showcase of 7 ghosts' skill. Whether Riful decide to do recruitment later is another topic for discussion :)

[dutchman]

The fab7 is an exclusive club formed of people who share a deep common bond, that they were all left to die in the Pieta holocaust yet survived thanks to Phantom Leader and Wild Thang. So Maita and Clarice, even Galatea would be disqualified from membership. Besides, Maita and Clarice have formed their own sisterhood, the Galatea Extermination Alliance.

Lol I can figure out who you mean with Phantom Leader (Miria?) but who is the Wild Thang??

And I agree that the bond the fab7 share is very deep and therefor they wont allow anyone to join. And this is not out of elitism but more because they know they have probably almost zero chances in surviving their quest of vengeance.

They are up against some major players (2 remaining abyssals and one even beyond that level (Pricillia)). And they are on the hitlist of the ORG because they are deserters and we all know how the ORG thinks about deserters.

I think Galatea will survive for now but since her cover is blown she can't remain in Rabona. I think chances are high that she will meet up again with the Fab7 at a later stage. She seems to be a lone wolf type who doesn't favor groups when its not absolutely required.

Miata and Clarice will probably indeed return to the ORG. And thus the truth about the fab7 will be known. About this I am not entirely sure maybe Clarice and Miata will instead keep silent about Galatea and the fab7 in gratitude for being saved by them.

I do agree with what others already mentioned that seeds of doubts will probably start to cloud Clarice her mind. Maybe she will start to consider the motives of the ORG and how she and Miata fit in. Should Clarice ever consider betraying the ORG this would probably only be triggered when Miata's life will be in danger due to some unreasonable schemes of the ORG. In my eyes she redeemed herself for the most part due to the unexspected bravery she showed plus the real concern for Miata. Her reactions thusfar are more of that of an young human girl and hardly that of an seasoned half yoma warrior (which she isn't ).

Ah.. I can't hardly wait to see how Agatha will be sliced and diced in the next chapter the fight probably wont last long.

My greatest concern will be if Clare will manage to hold of Cid .. since this time there wont be a Raki around who can protect her innocent lips ;)

[Fenrir_valindri]

Galatea is not capable of using stealth like the 7 Ghosts anymore, she has been using Yoki in this battle, so she now leaves a signature, like everyone else.

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It's certain that Clarice will have her doubts, and eventually join up with the Ghosts, but returning to Organization is a possiblity, but I think it is also possible she might decide to stay with Galatea.

Clarice's situation is very similar to Galatea's situation with Clare back during the Dauf incident. The difference obviously being that Galatea was alot more experienced, and powerful. So Galatea could sympathize with her situation, and maybe even advise her.

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Clarice actually portrays a truly weak and afraid human, unlike Clare, who was weak but determined, Clarice has been lacking a motivation to face danger, especially of such magnitude, she has been called a failure sense her creation, and she has no way of hiding it, so naturally that will effect her self-confidence.

But upon seeing the several injured Miata defend her without hesitation, or concern for her own safety, it obviously effected her very strongly, strongly enough for her to overcome her base instinct of running away and actually going so far as to ambush the object of her fear and rescue Miata, who she is also afraid of.

Really quite the development, I'm glad I saw something like this coming :D

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As for people not giving credit to Galatea's Yoki-sensing; remember that soul-linking required aligning of Yoki.
Which means using Yoki, so despite supressing her Yoki, Raphaela had still been active recently when Teresa detected her.
It was not until after Teresa's death several years later, that Raphaela's supression had been complete, as Rubel himself stated, her Yoki had completely disappeared at this point, implying that it was not like that in the past.

As it stands, Galatea is around Teresa's level, as we have never seen Teresa sense someone on the pill there is no way to judge, but Teresa could not detect Priscilla at all, so she is in the same boat as Galatea atm.

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As for the Organization being evil, well their definatly not good, they have a very mob like mentality "it's just business." But it is obvious that they are hiding something, which ultamitely means they are probably evil, or close to it.

Rubel is still awesome though. :P

[khryoleoz]

Oh? Can't figure out who Wild Thang is? She made the difference in taking down the single greatest threat to the group and who would've surely eliminated Phantom Leader had it not been for her intervention and another semi-awakening.

I'm still not warming up to Maita though. I'm looking for character, and right now she hasn't shown any outside of basic primal instincts. For people who are not supposed to have a personality, Alicia was at least articulate. Maita is still an annoyance for me. Save for the bloodhound nose, she's done little to impress me that we haven't already seen done by others who did it better.

[Taylor_Maclaurin]

Galatea is not capable of using stealth like the 7 Ghosts anymore, she has been using Yoki in this battle, so she now leaves a signature, like everyone else.
I must had missed that. When did she use her youki ?

[Anima]

I must had missed that. When did she use her youki ?
Whenever she tried faithfully to hit Miata (e.g. after she got stapped in her torso), you can see her arm distorting before swinging her claymore, a sign of yoki usage.

[cf18]

I must had missed that. When did she use her youki ?

Her eyes can't change colour anymore but we see her arms deform like she were fighting Dauf. What I don't get is what does that have to do with her going back into stealth mode? I doubt she need another 7 years to get back to that level.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Oh? Can't figure out who Wild Thang is? She made the difference in taking down the single greatest threat to the group and who would've surely eliminated Phantom Leader had it not been for her intervention and another semi-awakening.

Hehe, Wild Thang eh? I prefer Firecracker, but it works.

I'm still not warming up to Maita though. I'm looking for character, and right now she hasn't shown any outside of basic primal instincts. For people who are not supposed to have a personality, Alicia was at least articulate. Maita is still an annoyance for me. Save for the bloodhound nose, she's done little to impress me that we haven't already seen done by others who did it better.

So the child who simply wants to be loved by a mother is not a humanizing character to you? Miata is a child who wants nothing more then to make her mother happy and keep her safe.

The ferocious protectiveness is not a sign of primal instinct, but rather a sign of her willingess to sacrifice anything to save her mother.

She even goes so far as to break down in tears when she realizes that Clarice is truly afraid of her.

She is a child, not a primal monster, you could see the same traits in a child who was raised in harsh conditions, but still wants for a parent.

If thats not a humanizing trait im not sure what is.

Her eyes can't change colour anymore but we see her arms deform like she were fighting Dauf. What I don't get is what does that have to do with her going back into stealth mode? I doubt she need another 7 years to get back to that level.

Then what is to stop Clarice and Miata from joining them? The entire point of complete yoki-supression is that it takes a significant amount of time to achieve, so Galatea has effectively blown her cover the moment she released yoki.

[cf18]

Then what is to stop Clarice and Miata from joining them? The entire point of complete yoki-supression is that it takes a significant amount of time to achieve, so Galatea has effectively blown her cover the moment she released yoki.

Well Clarice and Miata don't have that experience before. We don't really know how long it takes for an experienced yoki surpresser to effectively re-suppress her yoki level, since it hasn't been shown in the manga before.

[Zsych]

Galatea might be better at suppression though... and where I don't know if its possible, if I was part of the Ghost 7, knowing that I was going to come back to the normal lands, I'd have tried to find a way to become invisible again soon after releasing youki.
... Not that they seem to need youki any even to pull off their stronger attacks at the moment.

Dang.... 1 more month to wait after just 32 pages, where very little happened...

[Sordes Pilosus]

There is now i think 1 question many has been wondering that might be answered in the next few chapters. It does seam that Galatea has been surpressing herself intil Miata and Clarice came. Based on what we can read and see they found her based on information and Miata's sixth sense and not the ability to sense her youki. So it would seam that Galatea knows how to surpress herself. Now we might get a answer on howlong it takes to "resurpress it".

But Galatea has a problem. She now being blind does handicap her traveling abilities to quite some extent but same time it doesent seam like she is blind at all its a rather confusing blindness. But if Galatea say could "resurpress in a month or two" It wouldent be strange if say Yoma ended up traveling with Galatea intil she is resurpressed and then meet up again at a planed destination later. As for Clarice and Miata i also think they will be returning to the Org. The main reason is that i belive the Org itself will be the main foe for a while with Audrey also saying "The next time i will point my blade ....." with all this saying that "There came 7 who slayed the AB and interveaned in the chance to fullfill the misson, even had we moved forward our battle ability would not have been enough" type response and from there a "Hunting party" would most likly be formed to try to track and take down the "Traitors" and from here Clarice will start to reflect on the situation and since Miata follows Clarice and not the Org and by that being tied together there is a chance that we will get to meet Luna also soon. Im quite exited thinking about the next few chapters.

[Voracious Reader]

How would skill make residual youki fade away any faster? On the other hand she may not have as much accumulated youki residuals after reactivating if for a short time as someone just starting to suppress it would have,so going back into stealth mode might be easier.

[khryoleoz]

So the child who simply wants to be loved by a mother is not a humanizing character to you? Miata is a child who wants nothing more then to make her mother happy and keep her safe.

The ferocious protectiveness is not a sign of primal instinct, but rather a sign of her willingess to sacrifice anything to save her mother.

She even goes so far as to break down in tears when she realizes that Clarice is truly afraid of her.

She is a child, not a primal monster, you could see the same traits in a child who was raised in harsh conditions, but still wants for a parent.

If thats not a humanizing trait im not sure what is.


The familial love she projects onto Clarice is in fact primal. Yes, it's human, but on the same level as eating when hungry, or acting upon the compulsion to slap someone back or worse after being slapped yourself. Granted, she had never been put in a situation where her character can be tested. But the org hasn't done a good job at cultivating her character. Priscilla at least held high ideals that guided her character, which ultimately was undone by her naivete. I don't recall Maita ever breaking down when Clarice showed fear of her. I only recall that she was afraid she couldn't suckle on mommy's breast anymore.

Children are full of primal wants and needs, and Maita very much resembles a child, only one with monstrous powers.

The character development I'm looking for would involve some depth in content, personality and moral choices. She doesn't even have the ability to engage in substantive discourse. Neither has she shown any moral conflict. She acts not upon ideals she had formulated, but upon base instincts. She and chibi Clare are miles apart. Maita looks for parental affirmation, which maternal identity she projected onto Clarice. Clare on the other hand extended warmth and empathy to someone whom for not knowing any better would have kicked her ass...though Teresa literally kicked her. Ouch! So no, I remain unmoved by the association of behavior of which even animals are capable as examples of fine human character.

[chibamonster]

This is probably just me but I was really impressed by Miata throwing her sword at the youma back when Clarice got hers stuck in a tree. At that point we found out that Miata didn't need a sword to defeat the youma. When Miata threw her sword again in the new chapter this time impaled, torn to shreds, and pinned to the ground it really put an exclamation point on the emotions she feels towards Clarice. Although she may have just been aiming for Agatha's face (she probably should have thrown it so it spun as opposed to like a javalin to get those tendrils cut, but eh) but it seemed to me like she was trying to protect her mommy when with all reason she should have been cutting her way out and coming up with a new plan.

As for Galatea, I think she is one claymore who does not need youki suppression much because she out ranges anyone who can sense her. They have to come after her on pills and she can still sense them. That might make her incompatible with the ghosts because they can go where she can't, but I don't think it is a serious issue for her. Unless Luna is even better at youki sensing than Galatea there really isn't anyone who could track her down unless she wanted to be found except the ghosts, Raphaela, or any other claymore who is completely cloaked. And even then, maybe not.

I felt bad when poor galatea got crucified against the wall. :(

[khryoleoz]

Yeah, I guess. I'm not denying she's strong. It's just that we've seen better and against a presumably tougher opponent. Can Maita do the twist? Like this? :does the hand thing: :p

[Zsych]

I think that more powerful suppression could well be achievable through skill in controlling youki... not that it would normally matter for Galatea since she can sense and avoid youki users at a very high range, for the most part. Short of Rafaela clones turning up, she should be able to join the Fab 7 fine... assuming she chooses to. Really depends on where the story is heading I suppose.

[yezhanquan]

Well, as I mentioned, Clarice and Miata are now close, in both directions. I guess it would be more plausible to think that Galatea and them will be another sub group, with the 7 "close" by. Who knows, Miria or Clare would even think of using them as "bait" (willingly, of course) to suss out the MIB's pet Claymores.

Riful has already given them a hint of the potential of such people (not to mention that she's still interested in Galatea). At best, they could become allies. At worst, they are important objectives to be taken down. Oh, and totally anticipating Alicia/Beth against the 7.

And is it me, or does Agatha looked like a fair skin version of Riful (Riful as in her awakened form, not the loli child look)?

[Fenrir_valindri]

The familial love she projects onto Clarice is in fact primal. Yes, it's human, but on the same level as eating when hungry, or acting upon the compulsion to slap someone back or worse after being slapped yourself. Granted, she had never been put in a situation where her character can be tested. But the org hasn't done a good job at cultivating her character. Priscilla at least held high ideals that guided her character, which ultimately was undone by her naivete. I don't recall Maita ever breaking down when Clarice showed fear of her. I only recall that she was afraid she couldn't suckle on mommy's breast anymore.

You obviously did not notice Miata bursting into tears this chapter when she realized Clarice was truly afraid of her, yet still came back and protected her, that indicates some understand on Miata's part, although it is still that of a child.

Children are full of primal wants and needs, and Maita very much resembles a child, only one with monstrous powers.

The desire to protect a parent actually goes against the idea of a primal being, as its the parents who do the protecting, not the reverse, and a child is still very much a human character, as you pointed out about Clare.

The character development I'm looking for would involve some depth in content, personality and moral choices. She doesn't even have the ability to engage in substantive discourse. Neither has she shown any moral conflict. She acts not upon ideals she had formulated, but upon base instincts. She and chibi Clare are miles apart. Maita looks for parental affirmation, which maternal identity she projected onto Clarice. Clare on the other hand extended warmth and empathy to someone whom for not knowing any better would have kicked her ass...though Teresa literally kicked her. Ouch! So no, I remain unmoved by the association of behavior of which even animals are capable as examples of fine human character.

Ah but there lies the problem, your looking for some big moral struggle when it is alot simpler then that.

She is someone who wants to be cared for, she wants a mother, a symbol of love, and her child-like mind only remembers that breast-feeding was something a mother did, so that is what she desires. When Clarice was threatened, she would put herself at personal risk, despite all going against ones primal instinct, and protect her.

As pointed out by Chibi, Miata threw her sword knowing full well that it would put her at a disadvantage, but she did it anyway to protect Clarice.

While Clare saw another who shared her pain, and wanted to ease that burden, Miata saw someone who could provide love and nurture her in her undoubtedly dark world.

[yezhanquan]

I certainly agree that Miata's more than an animal. Just realised that a term which can be applied to Claymores is "chimera". I even suggested "homunculus" to a friend, but both of us agreed that "chimera" is more appropriate.

So, as chimeras, how should they be viewed as? Human in appearance, but something else in reality? Miata's really an oddball case, barring Priscilla.

[stringer13]

I doubt that Galatea will join their group. If she joins there would be no reason for Tabitha to exist and have sensing abilities. Also there would be no reason for Riful to be interested in Clare if Galatea joined the group. That's why I have major doubts of her joining.

[yezhanquan]

Disputed: Who's sensing abilities are better? Tabitha's or Galatea's?

Anyway, the group is indeed a little big (Even with 7 of them, we frequently see the group split into 4-3). So, while I agree that Galatea won't join, she'll surely appreciate the idea of keeping in "link", so to speak. Like it or not, she no longer has the ability to go solo.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Disputed: Who's sensing abilities are better? Tabitha's or Galatea's?

Anyway, the group is indeed a little big (Even with 7 of them, we frequently see the group split into 4-3). So, while I agree that Galatea won't join, she'll surely appreciate the idea of keeping in "link", so to speak. Like it or not, she no longer has the ability to go solo.

Which is why I theorize Clarice and Miata NOT returning to the Organization, and instead traveling with Galatea, who knows maybe they might even meet Raphaela someday.

[yezhanquan]

Which is why I theorize Clarice and Miata NOT returning to the Organization, and instead traveling with Galatea, who knows maybe they might even meet Raphaela someday.

Agreed. As mentioned, it'll make Clarice's (as well as my) day to see Galatea putting Miata to bed.

[stringer13]

:pI guess she'll have 2 mommy's from now on.

[yezhanquan]

Well, I hope Yagi has a chapter cover art of that. Something gentle and makes us nod in approval.

[Fenrir_valindri]

:pI guess she'll have 2 mommy's from now on.

Or a Mommy and a Sensei :P

[khryoleoz]

The desire to preserve familial identity, of which Clarice had become surrogate mother not by her own choice initially but by her lack of power to oppose Maita's projection, is what's primal. Her protecting Clarice is an expression of that, because she had the power to. That is simply the difference between her and most other children who are powerless.

I've read over chapters 72 through 76 and I can't find the references you make about Maita's response to Clarice showing fear of her. Can you point out where this is, chapter and pages?

I wouldn't call what I'm looking for in Maita that I can't find a problem. I've set certain standards of character development that must be met for me to warm up to the character. The writing of Yagi denies me that. There's nothing I can do about it, short of discarding my own standards but why would I do that for a character who by your own words is indicted to be just simple? I mean, I like complex characters, most especially articulate ones. Remington Steele was one of my favorite fictional characters and for a time I've modeled my pompous speech after him.

[stringer13]

The desire to preserve familial identity, of which Clarice had become surrogate mother not by her own choice initially but by her lack of power to oppose Maita's projection, is what's primal. Her protecting Clarice is an expression of that, because she had the power to. That is simply the difference between her and most other children who are powerless.

I've read over chapters 72 through 76 and I can't find the references you make about Maita's response to Clarice showing fear of her. Can you point out where this is, chapter and pages?

I wouldn't call what I'm looking for in Maita that I can't find a problem. I've set certain standards of character development that must be met for me to warm up to the character. The writing of Yagi denies me that. There's nothing I can do about it, short of discarding my own standards but why would I do that for a character who by your own words is indicted to be just simple? I mean, I like complex characters, most especially articulate ones. Remington Steele was one of my favorite fictional characters and for a time I've modeled my pompous speech after him.

In chapter 73 it says she fears Miata and in chapter 77 she says it to her directly.

[khryoleoz]

Okay, so I managed to read a page by page translation of the chapter 77 chinese scans. I don't know how accurate it is but for now it's all I've got to go on.

According to the script, Maita wasn't responding in tears to Clarice's admission of fear, but to the mild scolding she was getting for getting hurt. Kids who feed off on parental affection are known to be emotionally affected by such scolding. So there's nothing so profound and special about this particular response either.

I liked Clare's entrance. I can hear Houko Kuwashima declaring Agatha's death. I wonder how this is gonna be done? Will it be a team effort, since all of them are trying to suppress their yoki?

[stringer13]

you really hate miata don't you? :nono:

[Bonta Kun]

Okay, so I managed to read a page by page translation of the chapter 77 chinese scans. I don't know how accurate it is but for now it's all I've got to go on.

According to the script, Maita wasn't responding in tears to Clarice's admission of fear, but to the mild scolding she was getting for getting hurt. Kids who feed off on parental affection are known to be emotionally affected by such scolding. So there's nothing so profound and special about this particular response either.

I liked Clare's entrance. I can hear Houko Kuwashima declaring Agatha's death. I wonder how this is gonna be done? Will it be a team effort, since all of them are trying to suppress their yoki?

well by showing up alrdy for the our lovely 7 ghosts to continue supressing there yoki after these current events is rather pointless as the Org will get wind of them. Most likely a show case of new and old skills to be shown...hopefully. If it is a team effort which I think it will be, its gonna be great.

...or they may surprise us all and show us the might of the YUMAPUNCH!!:p

[Fenrir_valindri]

You are looking for complexity yet praise Clare's connection to Teresa, which is something so simple and basic (instinctive) that it is anything but complex?

If you judge familial bonds as simple then I won't try to dissuade you, but Miata really has shown a great deal of development with a few short panels in this last chapter, so I have to say what I consider "character" and what you consider "character" are quite different. The sign of true bond between Miata and Clarice has finally appeared, and it was quite touching, maybe not on the standards of Clare and Teresa's hug, but it is still quite emotional.

[Bikerider]

It could be the Org will deal with the ghostly 7 the same way they deal with the Abysmal Ones. They won't engage unless they are forced to.

[FateAnomaly]

They are traitors, just like galatea. So they will probably to hunted as well. Anyway, it doesn't matter if the Org knows about them. There isn't any who can track them unless they start using their yoki.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Cept for Miata, which is why it is important to have her on their side, not the Organization's.

[Chendzeea Li]

Here's something no one has mentioned when the dust settles. How are Miata and Clarice gonna react to the 7. Galatea will be overjoyed obviously. Will Miatia still try and kill Galatea even after she saved them. Ew.... I think Agatha is going to go down fast and hard, a shock point to show how much they've grown. On a unrelated note I can't help but think Rigardo was a bit more powerful. Agatha seems more mass desctruction but I dunno if she could keep up with Superboman, then again Agi hasn't really cut loose yet. I notice Galk and Sid are no where to be seen in this one, perhaps they ran if they were smart. Then again I may have missed something

[Negativedark]

Hey Sid could meet Helen. That might be interesting to see...

[Gooral]

How many pages do You think it will take The Fab 7 taking care of Agatha ? I'm thinking 2-3 ;P.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Galk was the one who ordered the shield wall up.

As for Agatha compared to Rigaldo, it's pretty hard to judge atm, Agatha has been toying with two extremely powerful Claymores, while Rigaldo was mostly only fighting people #6 or below, and was quite serious about his job.

So right now it actually appears Agatha is stronger, but it is still really hard to judge, different circumstances and all.

As for Sid meeting Helen, I have though of incorporating that into my fic in all honesty, saying that they met even before all this :P