Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[Arnaiyus]

Screencaps are up already at RandomCuriosity's blog -> Screenies (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/02/14/shakugan-no-shana-ii-18/)
Looks like the action starts to kick in next episode and I guess it won't stop until the end :heh:

[DX HBK]

What the hell is Wilhelmina doing with those antlers? Did she hunt a buck or something?!

[Arnaiyus]

Lol that screen really looks funny. The thing is, with screencaps, you get a vague idea of what's going to happen, but when you watch the actual episode, turns out *that* screen wasn't what you thought at all hehe.

[Machina]

What the hell is Wilhelmina doing with those antlers? Did she hunt a buck or something?!

It must be for decoration :heh:

[teachopvutru]

Well, looking at the screencaps, it looks like the character design is getting better this episode. I'm happy.

And this screenshot (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Shakugan%20no%20Shana/Shakugan%20no%20Shana%20II%20-%2018%20-%20Large%2012.jpg) is gonna be my wallpaper today. :cool:

[gekko]

Well, looking at the screencaps, it looks like the character is getting better this episode. I'm happy.

And this screenshot (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Shakugan%20no%20Shana/Shakugan%20no%20Shana%20II%20-%2018%20-%20Large%2012.jpg) is gonna be my wallpaper today. :cool:

very nice/cute...I rather have an high res version for my dekstop :(

[teachopvutru]

very nice/cute...I rather have an high res version for my dekstop :(

Seeing that the resolution is 1280 x 720, I don't think there can be any higher res pictures than that, unless of course that someone will vector the picture, which will require a whole lot of work.

*awaiting someone to vector it. :p*

[ashlay]

Loved watching the Crimson Denizens talking on the cell phones. :heh: These latest guys have personality, too bad they more likely than not don't have long to live. >_>

Well, they started bringing up the idea that Yuji's beginning to confuse power with strength, and Yuji's continuing identity issues seem to be the latest setback in the relationship between him and Shana. Too bad, since Shana/Wilhelmina and Chigusa really seem close to family now. If anything's going to be Yuji's downfall, it'll be that he's starting to no longer think of himself as a person. Funny actually, seeing as how Shana and Yuji are quickly moving to the opposite positions of where they were at the beginning of the story, at least when it comes their own existences.

[sangwoocool]

Yuuji has changed a lot compared to the beginning...

[serenade_beta]

*brings out a microphone*
Spoiler tags?


Overall, another slow episode. Unfortunately, it wasn't as good as the previous episode with Tanaka's story.
The ever so changed Yuuji is determined. Ever so determined Yuuji tries to distance himself from everyone. In the end, he upsets his love triangle girls...
Not very exciting except the beginning and the end...
He gets attacked by the Denizen Rangers while wondering why the girls got upset...

That's Bifrons?!
How to describe him... A giant metal can with a flaming torch for a head?

As for Zarovee, Sentai-Power!
Looks and sounds like a funny guy. :heh:
Even uses a cellphone with Bifrons...

-It's been a while since Shana has wanted melon bread! :heh::heh:

-Eyecatch was nice~ :)

-Chigusa isn't feeling well... Pregnant? (or so guesses Nico Nico viewers...)

-*sigh* Kazumi is still worrying... JUST THROW THAT CROSS AWAY!!
Why must you worry so much? Watch some Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei!
Ike~~......


Preview: Thing that could not be said; Zarovee Red; Zarovee Blue; girl time

[DX HBK]

The change in character is so fast.
Yet, it's a matter of time before Yuji runs out of gas.
Getting tailed and surrounded by five old geezers
He might as well turn them all into five little wieners.
Zarovee better hope that the Balle Masque gets his cellphone calls,
because outnumbering but losing to Yuji means he's got no balls.

[Sterling01]

The change in character is so fast.
Yet, it's a matter of time before Yuji runs out of gas.


Yuji unable to run out of gas, thanks to his PoE recharger

Though I really like how they did Zarovee and Yuji's sliver fireball

[DX HBK]

Yuji unable to run out of gas, thanks to his PoE recharger

Though I really like how they did Zarovee and Yuji's sliver fireball

Then it might as well be his days of freedom outside,
because the Balle Masque is coming after his hide.
But then again, he might have some real good luck
in order to show his foes that they just a bunch of crazy fucks.
I can't wait to see him go wild to slice and dice some ass.
In regards to PoE, Sterling01's right that he won't run dry on gas.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Then it might as well be his days of freedom outside,
because the Balle Masque is coming after his hide.
But then again, he might have some real good luck
in order to show his foes that they just a bunch of crazy fucks.
I can't wait to see him go wild to slice and dice some ass.
In regards to PoE, Sterling01's right that he won't run dry on gas.

Well what Sterling said isn't really true if he runs out of PoE before midnight then he'd cease to exist, and there's nothing the Reiji Maigo could do about.

Also how do you get the time to make up all of these poems.

[Xellos-_^]

The change in character is so fast.
Yet, it's a matter of time before Yuji runs out of gas.
Getting tailed and surrounded by five old geezers
He might as well turn them all into five little wieners.
Zarovee better hope that the Balle Masque gets his cellphone calls,
because outnumbering but losing to Yuji means he's got no balls.

Yuuji is the man with the unlimited Mana. Just ask any girls he transfer mana to, He just keeps pumping and pumping and pumping.

[Neki Ecko]

Yuuji is the man with the unlimited Mana. Just ask any girls he transfer mana to, He just keeps pumping and pumping and pumping.

He is the Exxon of the Shana World, screw high gas cost, just use Yuji and his unlimited Mana and Prices will go down!!!:D

[DeotoxSlayer]

Yuuji is the man with the unlimited Mana. Just ask any girls he transfer mana to, He just keeps pumping and pumping and pumping.

Why does that sound so wrong...

[Sterling01]

Why does that sound so wrong...
Because of FS/N perhaps?

[DX HBK]

Yuuji is the man with the unlimited Mana. Just ask any girls he transfer mana to, He just keeps pumping and pumping and pumping.

Gone are the old imaginative days when Yuji's potential harem had a high number.
Nearly all of them left that collective as if it were the end of the summer.
The lifespan of that group was like water trickling out a funnel.
Before that summer of love ended, he should've tried shoving his train into their tunnels.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Because of FS/N perhaps?

Yes your right, though I'm thinking about the Visual Novel,a nd not the anime as what happens in that seen are completly different in the two adaptations.

Gone are the old imaginative days when Yuji's potential harem had a high number.
Nearly all of them left that collective as if it were the end of the summer.
The lifespan of that group was like water trickling out a funnel.
Before that summer of love ended, he should've tried shoving his train into their tunnels.

er...yeah...the last line was very nice. How do you have time to come up with any of these.

[Sterling01]

Yes your right, though I'm thinking about the Visual Novel,a nd not the anime as what happens in that seen are completly different in the two adaptations.

Yes, I was too


er...yeah...the last line was very nice. How do you have time to come up with any of these.

It's "Happy Singles Awareness Day" remember :heh::heh:

So how do you guys like "Novel" Yuji? :D:eyespin:

Also, if I remember correctly we're already done with the first chapter of Novel 14

[DeotoxSlayer]

Yes, I was too




It's "Happy Singles Awareness Day" remember :heh::heh:

So how do you guys like "Novel" Yuji? :D:eyespin:

Also, if I remember correctly we're already done with the first chapter of Novel 14

Well things are gonna have to happen pretty quickly if that "thing" is to happen in episode 21. It's too bad it looks like J.C's gonna skip the interesting conversations that Yuji has with a certain someone. I wanted to see it.

[Sterling01]

No, I think he did have that conversation with a certain someone and that's why he acted that way at the end of the episode.

J.C decided not to show it... maybe.

[Phoenix14]

I would like to be informed of this "certain conversation"....Please.

[Sterling01]

The first one happens in the novels before Khamsin left (Vol 8) so it should of have been covered in Season 1

Another one happened in the first Paragraph of Vol 14 so J.C decided to skip both of them.

In these conversations Yuji talks with a Black Mirror Image of himself. They talk about how twisted the world is and what Yuji would do if he was given the power to change it. Also the Black Mirror Image of Yuji points out that the only reason he appered before Yuji was because Yuji wants him to be there.

[wontaek]

What the hell is Wilhelmina doing with those antlers? Did she hunt a buck or something?!

Deer antlers are prized ingredient in many oriental medicine, particularly in the kind that is given for those who are suffering from weakness spell. It can be beneficial to pregnant women, as it contains wide variety of nutrients, enzymes, and animal hormone residues, but due to its capability to affect your hormonal balance and/or possibility of harmful contaminant, they recommend alerting your doctor about taking this dietary supplement.

[Kinny Riddle]

What the hell is Wilhelmina doing with those antlers? Did she hunt a buck or something?!
I think she was trying to make some medicinal herbs for Chigusa. I LOL'ed at the "blob" of soba that she and Shana were having as well as her herb-making equipment.

It's been quite a long time since Shana's been this cute, in fact, it's been so long since I last seen her long for her melon-pan.

[serenade_beta]

Thing that could not be said

Because he is an existence that will one day become "non-existant", to not hurt his precious people, he had to leave the city.
The person who called out Yuuji, who was repeating to himself this new determination, was the "Denizen of the Crimson World" Zarovee.
Because this Denizen had a such small power of existence that Yuuji never noticed until they met, Yuuji thought "If I use the unrestricted method of flame shots taught by Margery, even by myself..." for a moment, but that thought quickly disappeared.
That was because Zarovee, who possessed 5 bodies, pointed to the nearby residential district and put on an intrepid smile.
As it became a situation where an endless number of hostages were taken, Yuuji goes from the riverbed to the shopping district to the front of the station and to the arcade in a panic.
What is the scheme of this enemy, who holds such a small amount of power of existence?
And how will Yuuji deal with this scheme?...

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/19_01.jpg <--"Yuuji-sama, daisuki~"

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/19_02.jpg <--"I hate you though!"

Sentai-Denizens, combine!

[Deathscyther]

Wow, I was surprised. I didn't too much of this episode, but this turned out to be one of the best episodes of this season =)

The silver fireball was cool and he now has his 'portable' blutsauger to kick some ass with. And it seems like he had a nice conversation with a certain someone as well. The people close to him are being affected by Yuji's change in behaviour and this causes tension to build up between Shana, Yuji, and Kazumi.

Seems like Chigusa has been busy while Yuji's father was here too;)

The ending was really nice. Shana, Kazumi and Yuji being confused while Zarovee decides to make his move. Next episode we'll probably see some nice action again.

I think they did a great job with the emotional factor of this episode and it's one of the best episode of this season. I'm really excited for the coming episodes =)

9/10

[Sinestra]

Something just sparked in my head with Yuji's mom possibly being pregnant. Is this a possible foreshadowing for Yuuji either not surviving to the end or possibly disappearing. Its like well if Yuuji's existence is erased or he leaves town at least his parents have another child. I may be over thinking it but i just wanted to get it out there and see what people think

[ashlay]

Something just sparked in my head with Yuji's mom possibly being pregnant. Is this a possible foreshadowing for Yuuji either not surviving to the end or possibly disappearing. Its like well if Yuuji's existence is erased or he leaves town at least his parents have another child. I may be over thinking it but i just wanted to get it out there and see what people think
well, wouldn't be the first death flag Yuji's had. >_>

[ThoHell]

Though Yuji character has FINALLY begun to develop, no longer such a helpless cry baby, in this episode he was annoying. The way he acted was like he was feeling sorry for himself and getting the attention and worries from everyone around him. Next episode looks interesting, I'm looking forward to that one.

[Proto]

For some strange reason I find Zarovee's introduction: His corteous, yet condescending voice, the speech, his demeanor, the SFX's used and the introducion of the ending music to make up for he best villian introduction in SnS as of yet. Yay for J.C staff

@serenade_beta: (about Kazumi and Giralda): Isn't that just a conditionated response of yours though? She finally came to a resolution this episode. She is not worrying anymore and she just decided to do what she can do and look straight for now. Heck, she said so herself, wheres the worrying part coming from? :p

[DX HBK]

http://luathien0.fileave.com/silver.jpg

Wow, that shot should be commended for spectacular aim.
Yet, somehow, I really doubt that's truly a silver flame
That suggestive image has my mental vision in a bind
as the idea of a topless Margery and Yuji together certainly roams my mind.

[mist2123]

http://luathien0.fileave.com/silver.jpg

Wow, that shot should be commended for spectacular aim.
Yet, somehow, I really doubt that's truly a silver flame
That suggestive image has my mental vision in a bind
as the idea of a topless Margery and Yuji together certainly roams my mind.

:heh: man get got ***** ****:rolleyes:

[serenade_beta]

For some strange reason I find Zarovee's introduction: His corteous, yet condescending voice, the speech, his demeanor, the SFX's used and the introducion of the ending music to make up for he best villian introduction in SnS as of yet. Yay for J.C staff

@serenade_beta: (about Kazumi and Giralda): Isn't that just a conditionated response of yours though? She finally came to a resolution this episode. She is not worrying anymore and she just decided to do what she can do and look straight for now. Heck, she said so herself, wheres the worrying part coming from? :p

Zarovee can definitely end up as a good villain. That, and he's the first Denizen to be made of 5 people and marked with different colors. :heh:

She was worrying about it and finally came to a resolution this episode, so no more worrying from now on. Though she still thought about it this episode.
Thankfully, no more worrying after this episode... hopefully?

http://luathien0.fileave.com/silver.jpg

Wow, that shot should be commended for spectacular aim.
Yet, somehow, I really doubt that's truly a silver flame
That suggestive image has my mental vision in a bind
as the idea of a topless Margery and Yuji together certainly roams my mind.

I knew it was a matter of time before someone said something about this scene...

[_DaViD_]

http://luathien0.fileave.com/silver.jpg

Wow, that shot should be commended for spectacular aim.
Yet, somehow, I really doubt that's truly a silver flame
That suggestive image has my mental vision in a bind
as the idea of a topless Margery and Yuji together certainly roams my mind.

LOL i havent watched the episode but that picture made me laugh when i read ur comment XD! i think the same (damn perverted mind) T_T

[CapoExecutor]

http://luathien0.fileave.com/silver.jpg

Wow, that shot should be commended for spectacular aim.
Yet, somehow, I really doubt that's truly a silver flame
That suggestive image has my mental vision in a bind
as the idea of a topless Margery and Yuji together certainly roams my mind.

WTF?! DX HBK, you've overdone yourself and I can't stop laughing!

[HayashiTakara]

Massive lulz, Yuji needs to control his aim better.

Watching Yuji tell Kazumi to buzz off was the greatest moment in SnS history, I almost had an orgasm.

Shana is sad that Yuji is no longer the caring person he was when she fell for him... he didn't seem concerned when his mom was sick or anything, and he was cold and heartless towards Kazumi, which was the icing to the cake... thats why Shana is a sad loli =(

on a side note, OMG Shana was so cute XD

[Malintex_Terek]

Novel folks - did Yuuji become cold like this before the Sabrac battle in the written word as well?

[Sterling01]

Yes, he did

[Deathkillz]

LOL? Did yuji just head shot himself O.O

But even that couldn't have saved this ep from being boring...(dam misleading preview again -___-).

Shana had her moe moments but it proves to be OOC yet again. Or you could call it development and her maturing but then I still like the urusai shana better :rolleyes:

Just what is yoshida doing...I duno whether to praise yuji or to stick a pike into him O.o

[lua thien]

http://luathien0.fileave.com/silver.jpg

Wow, that shot should be commended for spectacular aim.
Yet, somehow, I really doubt that's truly a silver flame
That suggestive image has my mental vision in a bind
as the idea of a topless Margery and Yuji together certainly roams my mind.

Potential scene for the next shana-tan special? "Got Milk?"

[ThoHell]

THAT'S QUITE A LOAD!!!!!!!! WOW...lol! Didn't really pay attention to that scene, but I guess when it's not in motion and you get to see a SS, it completely looks different. It his facial expression shows a sign of relief.....whoa!

[philmein]

ROFL at the image.
Wow....all I can say is just "wow." hahaha

[HayashiTakara]

I really love teh Yuji training, and Yuji telling Kazumi to GTFO and don't bother with me anymore deal, 9/10 episode. If it had some sword action it could've been a 10. Next week seems promising though.

[DX HBK]

Geez, a lot of stress and tension is so high,
as one could wonder on who will be the first to die.
For now, the Balle Masque higher-ups seem to be chillin'
because they think they will be the ones doing the killin'
The plot is already begun to progress and thicken
and one could wonder if Sydonay is choking any chickens.

[mist2123]

Geez, a lot of stress and tension is so high,
as one could wonder on who will be the first to die.
For now, the Balle Masque higher-ups seem to be chillin'
because they think they will be the ones doing the killin'
The plot is already begun to progress and thicken
and one could wonder if Sydonay is choking any chickens.

Lol funny rhymes

[Aquifina]

Watched the raw, and am intrigued with Yuji's change in character. I wish I knew what was said exactly in the conversation between him and Yoshida; he did chase after her, but he obviously isn't himself. I guess all the craziness surrounding him has gotten into his head. I wonder how Shana will deal with this; she's always taken his natural empathy for granted.

[Aquifina]

Thing that could not be said

Because he is an existence that will one day become "non-existant", to not hurt his precious people, he had to leave the city.
The person who called out Yuuji, who was repeating to himself this new determination, was the "Denizen of the Crimson World" Zarovee.
Because this Denizen had a such small power of existence that Yuuji never noticed until they met, Yuuji thought "If I use the unrestricted method of flame shots taught by Margery, even by myself..." for a moment, but that thought quickly disappeared.
That was because Zarovee, who possessed 5 bodies, pointed to the nearby residential district and put on an intrepid smile.
As it became a situation where an endless number of hostages were taken, Yuuji goes from the riverbed to the shopping district to the front of the station and to the arcade in a panic.
What is the scheme of this enemy, who holds such a small amount of power of existence?
And how will Yuuji deal with this scheme?...

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/19_01.jpg <--"Yuuji-sama, daisuki~"

http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/19_02.jpg <--"I hate you though!"

Sentai-Denizens, combine!

Would Yuji even leave the city *without* Shana? Did he talk about leaving the city at the end of ep. 18?

[minhtam1638]

Would Yuji even leave the city *without* Shana? Did he talk about leaving the city at the end of ep. 18?


The "end" is he wouldn't leave without Shana. The "means" on how he'd leave with her... so many possibilities.

[HayashiTakara]

Watched the raw, and am intrigued with Yuji's change in character. I wish I knew what was said exactly in the conversation between him and Yoshida; he did chase after her, but he obviously isn't himself. I guess all the craziness surrounding him has gotten into his head. I wonder how Shana will deal with this; she's always taken his natural empathy for granted.

I don't feel like going back and relistening the convo, but the basic jist was that she shouldn't bother with him anymore, and that he's not human, and something about she shouldn't like him or something, its been awhile so its not so fresh in my head, and he was going to leave the town with Shana eventually.

Also, it seems that the new enemy is more crafty than powerful, which is the perfect kind of enemy Yuji should face off with as a first real fight.

[Aquifina]

I don't feel like going back and relistening the convo, but the basic jist was that she shouldn't bother with him anymore, and that he's not human, and something about she shouldn't like him or something, its been awhile so its not so fresh in my head, and he was going to leave the town with Shana eventually.

Also, it seems that the new enemy is more crafty than powerful, which is the perfect kind of enemy Yuji should face off with as a first real fight.


Okay, that sounds a lot more plausible than just "Buzz off!" It seems that Yuji is feeling more and more isolated from his human relationships. This is such a reversal from the end of S1, when Yoshida's comments on his humanity were such a big deal, and when Shana was desperately hoping Yuji would leave the city with her. I must assume that Johann's doomed fate is also weighing on Yuji.

[CapoExecutor]

Wish they could throw another enemy Mystes into the story right now.

By the way, for Ep. 16, which title is the correct one: "Ceaseless Thoughts" or "Everlasting Love"?

[HayashiTakara]

I think its because its the realization of what exists within him that furthers his impression on his no longer being human. I mean if you had a big silvery dude and a "romeo" dwelling within you fueling your strength, you would feel inhumane too right?

[DX HBK]

Wish they could throw another enemy Mystes into the story right now.

By the way, for Ep. 16, which title is the correct one: "Ceaseless Thoughts" or "Everlasting Love"?

I think the Ep. 16 title "Ceaseless Thoughts" is the correct name, son.
SS-Eclipse Productions really fucked up the translation for that one.
One can point out some past minor grammatical errors they made.
But it's not a big deal since no one thinks they need remedial aid.

[FlareKnight]

Not bad Yuji going after his own head this time.

Can't be too surprised that he is thinking differently from the usual. After all that has been happening no one would remain unaffected that's for sure. But yeah probably distancing himself since he sees leaving inevitable.

Do worry a bit about his mother. Never know what would happen if Yuji did go. Doubt that his dad would remain out there if she was all alone and in danger of collapse. Interesting speculation that it could be pregnancy. Not bad with Carmel going all out with the medicine. Pulling out the antlers was just hilarious, but her heart is certainly in the right place.

Well hopefully the next episode gets busy now that they have this Tomogara showing up. Curious what his plan is and how he is going to hold a city hostage. Maybe if there are so many of him and its pretty much impossible to track. He could do quite a bit of damage to innocent people.

[mikesince83]

Yuji just can't seem to get it right. He's always either not trying hard enough or going too far. On the plus side Yoshida looks like she's pulled herself together...about time. And for the first time all season(?) Shana mentioned melon bread!

[Kristen]

Well, this episode had 7 written all over it. It had a lot of plot progression, but there were too many shudder points that mark the second season for me.

Yuji's discussion about what will happen when he disappears had a strange flashback for me. I had completely forgotten about the morbid nature of a lot of the first 6 episodes of SnS S1, and it really reminded me why I got into this series to begin with: It's horribly depressing.
That said, I'm beginning to think that JC Staff may pull an anime original ending and have Yuji finally disappear...

Also, please, Kazumi, join Yuji! Become a flame haze, or call Pheles and get her to make you another Reiju Maigo! Kazumi+Yuji=Ai

[Aquifina]

Well, this episode had 7 written all over it. It had a lot of plot progression, but there were too many shudder points that mark the second season for me.

Yuji's discussion about what will happen when he disappears had a strange flashback for me. I had completely forgotten about the morbid nature of a lot of the first 6 episodes of SnS S1, and it really reminded me why I got into this series to begin with: It's horribly depressing.
That said, I'm beginning to think that JC Staff may pull an anime original ending and have Yuji finally disappear...

Also, please, Kazumi, join Yuji! Become a flame haze, or call Pheles and get her to make you another Reiju Maigo! Kazumi+Yuji=Ai

There would be something fitting to Yuji disappearing; he had, after all, made his peace with that fate in S1, before he found out about the Reiji Maigo. The question, of course, is where Shana would fit in. Yuji had before been happy that at least Shana would remember him, but that outcome certainly isn't going to be good for Shana. Your comments also reminded me of why I loved season 1 so much; the Konoe arc was so weird early this season partly for that reason. It looks like it just helped setup all the current craziness.

And when is poor Shana going to get the chance to do her confession? Maybe that'll knock Yuji out of his "I've got to become a badass Tomogara funk".

Anyhow, I'm genuinely looking forward to the subs for this episode, and being able to understand the dialogue for myself.

[HayashiTakara]

I think some people just want Yuji to disappear.

I on the other hand would be heart broken to so Shana sad =(

I think it'll end with Shana and Yuji leaving together. If you paid attention to the lyrics of the opening, it's about them on their new journey together.

[Sterling01]

I think it'll end with Shana and Yuji leaving together. If you paid attention to the lyrics of the opening, it's about them on their new journey together.

I think so too.... :heh::heh:

[KaneDragon]

Yuji finally tries to dump Yoshida while in Serious Business-mode, and still screws it up. Thanks a lot, Yuji, now she's even more emo.

Also, wtfevilflaminginsectdemon. The insect-like appearance puts me off, but other than that it's pretty lulzy.

A little disappointed that Yuji isn't going to bust out some wtf-hax and start swing around that giant sword of his, throwing silver flame everywhere. *cough* "Holding the citizens hostage", hmm? Hopefully that'll turn out to be reasonable enough a reason to keep his cool and meekly walk into the trap or whatever.

[Kristen]

I think some people just want Yuji to disappear.

I on the other hand would be heart broken to so Shana sad =(

I think it'll end with Shana and Yuji leaving together. If you paid attention to the lyrics of the opening, it's about them on their new journey together.

Generally I tend to ignore lyrics. Sometimes they're relevant, other times they're just really neat to see.

Really, I don't want to see a happy end here. I feel that a happy end leaves too much open. After all, Yuji is going to disappear at some point in time, so you know it's going to eventually be a sad end. Might as well show it and make it more dramatic.

[feRfe]

"Yuji finally tries to dump Yoshida while in Serious Business-mode, and still screws it up. Thanks a lot, Yuji, now she's even more emo." hahah lol ( :

yuuji pretty much gave up on himself, no longer believing his proper identity is sakai yuuji so he goes emo and forms a hard gay "resolve"...
-.---

"And when is poor Shana going to get the chance to do her confession? Maybe that'll knock Yuji out of his "I've got to become a badass Tomogara funk"."

ye definitely

[nines]

This episode kinda pissed me off i was into how yuji was like moving forward slowly but then bam he turns into like some one that just dosnt care anymore lol. Now shana and that annoying girl are all like blagh x.x this epi just pissed me off but yay atleast something kind of moving forward happened at the end and.

[KaneDragon]

Maybe that'll knock Yuji out of his "I've got to become a badass Tomogara funk".
Hey. Whatever gets results. ;)

[Master Chibi]

Did anyone die yet.

Gard darn it

[BigGimp77]

Yuji just needs to go crazy and start a killing rampage...

I hope they finish this season off right...



On a side note... Has the anime been true to the novels for the most part and are the novels translated yet? I really don't want an anime only ending because then I'll have to go read the novels to find out what was really spose to happen.

[HayashiTakara]

Why does Yuji have to disappear? even without the silver, he'll have the reiji meigo. Unless someone steals the Reiji Meigo Yuji is eternal. And from what I know/heard

Yuji eventually completely absorbs Silver the snake of the festival becomes apart of his persona, although his real persona is still in charge

[Sterling01]

Has the anime been true to the novels for the most part and are the novels translated yet? I really don't want an anime only ending because then I'll have to go read the novels to find out what was really spose to happen.

The anime has been true to the novels for the most part.

Also without spoiling anything, the 2nd OP does point that the Anime will not have an anime only ending

[BigGimp77]

Why does Yuji have to disappear?

I would be kinda pissed if he disappeared. The whole series to this point has been about keeping him alive. Even if he disappeared in some self sacrificing way, it'd probably leave me with the "Ok I just felt I watched two seasons for nothing" feeling.

[KholdStare]

This was a decently good episode, and I enjoyed a lot of it. Even though no action really happened, I was not bored for any part of it. 8/10

Shana turned super-cute this episode. In fact, this episode might be pretty shitty and I was just staring at Shana the whole time.

[Reckoner]

I would be kinda pissed if he disappeared. The whole series to this point has been about keeping him alive. Even if he disappeared in some self sacrificing way, it'd probably leave me with the "Ok I just felt I watched two seasons for nothing" feeling.

That's how I feel as well.

Anyways, I thought this episode was built quite excellent. Everything seemed perfectly placed. Shana was quite cute this episode. Now Yuji is being a jerk about his mom? Oh no he didn't! For goodness sakes, this lead can't seem to get things right no matter what he does.


Two things:

1) Yoshida is an emo bitch, don't make her more emo and say "I'm in a different world."
2) How the hell did you learn more than you ever learned before in like two episode's time?

This episode is better than an 8 but not as good as a 9, but I round up so it gets a 9/10.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Ahh...Nice episode.

-What I noticed about Yuuji is that he's the one suddenly becoming negative, or it could be as Margery said, that he was acting as though 'possessed' by something. He was not only lying to Shana (about Chigusa), he was also lying to himself. His actions are in complete contrast to what he spoke to Shana about his mother, at least in this episode alone. For someone who claims that he's ready to leave familiar grounds, he certainly didn't have a look of resolve with him, but looked as though he was in another world of his own.

-I wouldn't call Yuuji a fool for the botched rejection, since he's still lying to himself about being able to put all his worries aside to leave and go with Shana, but it was poorly done. Considering how he had put off clarifying his stand and accepting Kazumi's kindness in the form of bentos for a extremely long period of time (which in effect could have resulted in misleading her), even with various circumstances, breaking the news to her when she comes to you isn't the way to do it. 'Half-assed' would be more like it, since if he did have the resolve to leave, he would take the initiative to tell Kazumi of his decision instead of waiting for the poor girl to come.

Now she's literally REAL fodder for bashing. :eyespin:

-It's getting to me. Kazumi's monologue, that is. I could easily forget about it if she was a greatly involved in the world of the Guze, but it almost seem as though there was supposed to be lots of emphasis on her character. In other words, I'm a little clearer about what Shana fans were complaining about: It was as though the time devoted to 'watching her thoughts' could be better used on other 'more important' stuff.

-Eita, you left your guts in the shoe locker? :heh: In any case, I hope he gets over the damned guilt plaguing him soon and pull himself together. Or maybe Ogata can give him a kick from behind or take the first step FOR him, if the preview might be an indication of that.

-Speaking of the preview...What's this? A hostage situation? Sounds interesting. We might either get to see Yuuji do some flashy stuff or get his mindset screwed back in the right place in some ways.

Extra notes:
-Chigusa is still my favorite motherly character.
-Zarovee was pretty entertaining, probably more so than the three leaders of Balle Masque added up together. Sure, Hecate is cuteness personified, but you don't get sentai added with a funny way of speaking from Bel-Peol or Sydonay.

*Is it me, or is Bifrons related to....Sabrac? They look a little similar in certain areas.

[Sinestra]

I found it interesting that Yuji had this new found reslove but in the process of getting it he has forgotten some things along the way. Even though he is a mystes he maintained the fact that he was going to live as a human but the way hes acting now to me its not about him sucking up his fate. To me it looks like hes running away in some sorts. I dont think i can protect my friends so ill leave with Shana well neither Shana nor Kazumi agreed with his new out look. Im going to agree with them i dont like him the way he is now. He is forcing himself and the way he is forcing himself is not going to get him very far hes to anxious and in battle that can get you killed. In the end even with his new found reslove to leave and blah blah he still didnt noticed that he was being targeted while walking with his head in the clouds i say he still has some training to do. I like Yuji as a character i think he has great potential and at his core he is pure of heart I just hope he doesnt do anything stupid. Looks they are all fighting for their life next week. Im hoping im not hearing deathbells ringing for him i really hope he survives till the end and actually gets to stay in his town maybe as the protector it would be a good way to sum up everything he has been fighting for since season 1 having his disappear just doesnt seem to work at least for me.

Wow Yuji's mom is real sick i cant tell if she is actually sick or if she is having morning sickness. If she is with child thats another sign to me that Yuji might not be around at the end either he will gone or he will die and this child will be one his parents can cherish since they wont remember him. sigh i forgot how sad some of the undertones could be in Shana im sad now.

[Kristen]

Why does Yuji have to disappear? even without the silver, he'll have the reiji meigo. Unless someone steals the Reiji Meigo Yuji is eternal. And from what I know/heard

Yuji eventually completely absorbs Silver the snake of the festival becomes apart of his persona, although his real persona is still in charge

Because of exactly that: With the Reiji Meigo, Yuji is eternal. And what an eternity means is that anything and everything will happen to Yuji. At some point, maybe 20 years from now, maybe 100, something is going to go wrong, and somebody is going to take the Reiji Meigo, or Yuji is just going to use too much power. And as soon as he loses that, he loses the eternity.
This is subscribing to the "If you have an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of typewriters, they will write every shakespeare play" theory.

AKA, the end of Yuji is already set. It's just delayed.

[cnnydz]

In the end even with his new found reslove to leave and blah blah he still didnt noticed that he was being targeted while walking with his head in the clouds i say he still has some training to do.
normally a flame haze can sense a tomogara from a mile away but zarovee has something to hide his small existence, that is why no one noticed him.


Im hoping im not hearing deathbells ringing for him i really hope he survives till the end and actually gets to stay in his town maybe as the protector it would be a good way to sum up everything he has been fighting for since season 1 having his disappear just doesnt seem to work at least for me.

haha, you have no idea.

[Sinestra]

normally a flame haze can sense a tomogara from a mile away but zarovee has something to hide his small existence, that is why no one noticed him.




haha, you have no idea.

Ok so you just added to my depression lol the outcome looks bleak for our plucky hero. If im reading what you wrote correctly.:)

[cnnydz]

Ok so you just added to my depression lol the outcome looks bleak for our plucky hero. If im reading what you wrote correctly.:)

the fact is i don't know what will happen to yuji, but right now it is looking very very bad for yuji and shana in the novels. the chance of a happy ending is slim.
Because of exactly that: With the Reiji Meigo, Yuji is eternal. And what an eternity means is that anything and everything will happen to Yuji. At some point, maybe 20 years from now, maybe 100, something is going to go wrong, and somebody is going to take the Reiji Meigo, or Yuji is just going to use too much power. And as soon as he loses that, he loses the eternity.
This is subscribing to the "If you have an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of typewriters, they will write every shakespeare play" theory.

AKA, the end of Yuji is already set. It's just delayed.
very true, the same goes for shana as well. that's why yuji decided to do what he is going to do

[Owaranai Destiny]

Because of exactly that: With the Reiji Meigo, Yuji is eternal. And what an eternity means is that anything and everything will happen to Yuji. At some point, maybe 20 years from now, maybe 100, something is going to go wrong, and somebody is going to take the Reiji Meigo, or Yuji is just going to use too much power. And as soon as he loses that, he loses the eternity.
This is subscribing to the "If you have an infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of typewriters, they will write every shakespeare play" theory.

AKA, the end of Yuji is already set. It's just delayed.

That's a lot of maybes, but it could happen. I doubt we'll be able to determine how he's going to disappear right now, though. :p Besides, in that 'period' of eternity, it's possible that someone out there could devise a spell to bring Yuuji back to life. Far-fetched, but it's a maybe too. ;)

For now, I'll be contented with the novel spoilers and the pace at which the show is taking Yuuji.

[BigGimp77]

Actually I've had this question but haven't done any research...

Is it possible for someone who's already dead, like Yuji, to become a flame haze? I don't know the exact rules for becoming a flame haze.

That way if he lost the Reji Meigo, he could make a contract and have his state restored. But I'm thinking that is against the rules or w/e but I'm not sure.

[Sterling01]

Actually I've had this question but haven't done any research...

Is it possible for someone who's already dead, like Yuji, to become a flame haze? I don't know the exact rules for becoming a flame haze.


He can't become a Flame haze as you need to be alive, but he can become something other then a Mystis. :heh::heh:

[HayashiTakara]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this but... Why does Yuji need to be a flame haze? He's more powerful than a flame haze (power wise not skill wise, big difference there)... He's equivalent to being a Lord of Guze.

And saying Yuji's end is inevitable is like pointing out the obvious. Everyone will die eventually, even Shana, as much as I don't want to admit it. Then again Yuji can grow from 100,000 years of combat experience where no one short of a god can defeat him in combat. Any scenario is possible.

[Sterling01]

He's actualy equivalent to being a God of Guze. (Higher then Lord)

[HayashiTakara]

He's actualy equivalent to being a God of Guze. (Higher then Lord)

True which makes my point even better XP

[KaneDragon]

He's actualy equivalent to being a God of Guze. (Higher then Lord)
That much, hmm? And yet he's still going to meekly go wherever this new guy tells him. I don't know what kind of threat he's going to use over the city to get Yuji's compliance, but it isn't too unreasonable to expect Yuji to instantly react by at the very least throwing up a Fuzetsu as a warning beacon to Shana, is it?

[HayashiTakara]

Yuji is inexperienced and unaware of his own capabilities, with time and experience, you'll see god Yuji lay waste to all who oppose with his loli queen by his side, lol

[Kristen]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this but... Why does Yuji need to be a flame haze? He's more powerful than a flame haze (power wise not skill wise, big difference there)... He's equivalent to being a Lord of Guze.

And saying Yuji's end is inevitable is like pointing out the obvious. Everyone will die eventually, even Shana, as much as I don't want to admit it. Then again Yuji can grow from 100,000 years of combat experience where no one short of a god can defeat him in combat. Any scenario is possible.

Yeah. But I don't think it's possible to end the series without Yuji's disappearence. I think it's been said in the series that the tomogara will continue to come for all of eternity and continue to devour humans. That's just nature. So, since the main idea behind the series cannot be completed in a happy fashion, they'll have to have Yuji disappear to end the series and give it some kind of a conclusion.

[ashlay]

Yuji is inexperienced and unaware of his own capabilities, with time and experience, you'll see god Yuji lay waste to all who oppose with his loli queen by his side, lol
got to love how inevitabilities are not always what they appear to be. >_>

Yeah. But I don't think it's possible to end the series without Yuji's disappearence. I think it's been said in the series that the tomogara will continue to come for all of eternity and continue to devour humans. That's just nature. So, since the main idea behind the series cannot be completed in a happy fashion, they'll have to have Yuji disappear to end the series and give it some kind of a conclusion.
What, and Shana, the protagonist of the show, ends up as another Pheles? That doesn't seem like the happiest of conclusions to me. o_0

[HayashiTakara]

Tomogara's will exist regardless of Yuji's continued existence. I'm sorry but I'm sick of bitter endings, its like this trend that everyone wants to follow. Its been a really long time since there was a "happy" ending.

It doesn't have to end with Yuji's disappearance, the show is about Shana's and yuji's relationship, his couping with his existence is a plot device. Its completely possible to end it on a positive note. Yuji can continue to live protecting the world along side Shana, is that such a terrible way to end it? For all intents and purposes, the situation with Bal Masque is the main antagonist. Once thats dealt with, whatever happens is left to be told. Just because Yuji lives doesn't mean theres going to be a 3rd season, otherwise every story in existence is bound to continue.

[cnnydz]

I think it's been said in the series that the tomogara will continue to come for all of eternity and continue to devour humans.

true, but there is a possible solution (from current novels). so maybe they can have a happy ending.

[HayashiTakara]

Whether Yuji dies or not, Tomogara will continue to exist, there is absolutely no point whatsoever for Yuji to disappear.

Unless you just want to see Shana sad and alone...

[cnnydz]

Whether Yuji dies or not, Tomogara will continue to exist, there is absolutely no point whatsoever for Yuji to disappear.

Unless you just want to see Shana sad and alone...

but the series can end with both yuji and shana dead. so they wouldn,t be alone

[HayashiTakara]

If the writers kill off Shana or make Shana sad and alone, the Shana fans will cry for blood and torch the building down... lol

[Toreno]

If the writers kill off Shana or make Shana sad and alone, the Shana fans will cry for blood and torch the building down... lol

You can see into my mind???!!! :uhoh:

[HayashiTakara]

Seriously, though, this show is the story about Shana and Yuji, everything else is a plot device.

[Kristen]

Seriously, though, this show is the story about Shana and Yuji, everything else is a plot device.

I'll completely disagree on this. To me, Shana and Yuji is a side story to the greater story of the world they live in. Their story is like Eowyn and Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. Not the main theme, just there.

Besides, who says that if Yuji disappears, Shana doesn't disappear as well? Yuji is captured by bal masque, they steal Reiju Maigo, Shana goes to destroy them, suceeds, but she is broken and dies.

[mikesince83]

I'll completely disagree on this. To me, Shana and Yuji is a side story to the greater story of the world they live in. Their story is like Eowyn and Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. Not the main theme, just there.

A good way to put this in perspective would be to ask the following question: If [insert character(s)] is/are removed permanently in the next episode/chapter could the story continue in a coherent manner without major revision to the core plot direction?

[Kristen]

A good way to put this in perspective would be to ask the following question: If [insert character(s)] is/are removed permanently in the next episode/chapter could the story continue in a coherent manner without major revision to the core plot direction?

If Yuji was removed, yes. They could show Shana in a plot alone, something like Season 1 where Yuji wasn't into training and she fought that Tomogara alone. If Shana was, then they could sho Yuji coming into his own, and finally being able to act as a fighter.
By the looks of next week, that's what I'm expecting. Yuji on his own, with a plot still happening.

[HayashiTakara]

Admit that you just want a bitter ending. The story isn't the same without Yuji, the story could turn out either way.

Its your interpretation that the story is about the world, but the fact is the story is about Yuji and Shana, period.

[cnnydz]

I'll completely disagree on this. To me, Shana and Yuji is a side story to the greater story of the world they live in. Their story is like Eowyn and Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. Not the main theme, just there.


lol, the title is shakugan no shana not the lords of the crimson world. the story is just about a girl and a boy, at least that's what the author said.

[teachopvutru]

lol, the title is shakugan no shana not the lords of the crimson world. the story is just about a girl and a boy, at least that's what the author said.

Since you just mention the title and what the story is actually about, may I ask what the "Shakugan no" part mean?

[cnnydz]

Since you just mention the title and what the story is actually about, may I ask what the "Shakugan no" part mean?

shaku - blaze
gan - eye

notice that her eyes and hair turn red when she uses her powers, thus the name enpatsu shakugan ( en - flame patsu - hair)

[Sterling01]

lol, the title is shakugan no shana not the lords of the crimson world. the story is just about a girl and a boy, at least that's what the author said.
"The Lords of the Crimson World" sound like a heavy metal band's name

[HayashiTakara]

lol, it does

[BigGimp77]

Sign me up for torching the building down if they killed Shana :heh:

[DeotoxSlayer]

Sign me up for torching the building down if they killed Shana :heh:

but if Shana does die then it'll be Takahashi who kills her off, are we gonna go and torch his house:confused::confused::confused:

[BigGimp77]

but if Shana does die then it'll be Takahashi who kills her off, are we gonna go and torch his house:confused::confused::confused:

No body will be safe from my wrath.

[HayashiTakara]

His head will roll, and his insides will be feasted upon by the millions of Shana fans out there.

[DX HBK]

She's just a character drawn on paper, colored in, and animated!
So what if she dies, the only thing that could happen is how Takahashi will be rated.
The whole story, characters, and concepts aren't even real.
So it's not like the creator of the story will care on how we feel.

Note: I don't hate the anime so no one should try and kill me for alleged blasphemy.

[HayashiTakara]

She's just a character drawn on paper, colored in, and animated!
So what if she dies, the only thing that could happen is how Takahashi will be rated.
The whole story, characters, and concepts aren't even real.
So it's not like the creator of the story will care on how we feel.

Note: I don't hate the anime so no one should try and kill me for alleged blasphemy.

Blasphemy! Hang the Heretic! :heh:

[teachopvutru]

but if Shana does die then it'll be Takahashi who kills her off, are we gonna go and torch his house:confused::confused::confused:

Sign me up as well, but instead of burning the house, I'd demand him to somehow continue the story so that she somehow lives again. :cool: Actually, I could do both. :heh:

[HayashiTakara]

The world will be left without a Messiah, with the world's greatest loli gone forever.... :sob:

[Nenkitsune]

i'm pretty torn right now. Half of me is all like "Go Yuji! get stronger~" and the other half is like "YOU IDIOT DIE!"

is anyone else getting what i'm saying?

[Kristen]

She's just a character drawn on paper, colored in, and animated!
So what if she dies, the only thing that could happen is how Takahashi will be rated.
The whole story, characters, and concepts aren't even real.
So it's not like the creator of the story will care on how we feel.

Note: I don't hate the anime so no one should try and kill me for alleged blasphemy.

This is where the concept of overlooking the obvious is important. What is it called? Selective ignorance? The accepting that this is fiction, and agreeing to overlook it in exchange for a better story.
Honestly, just look at Kanon.
Sure, in real life there could never be a fox that turned into a human in exchange for her life. But that doesn't make Makoto's story any less sad. You kind of just need to pretend it's real, and it's so much more powerful...

[HayashiTakara]

i'm pretty torn right now. Half of me is all like "Go Yuji! get stronger~" and the other half is like "YOU IDIOT DIE!"

is anyone else getting what i'm saying?

If you like Shana, you go with the positive half, if you're an emo go with the negative path, lol :heh:

This is where the concept of overlooking the obvious is important. What is it called? Selective ignorance? The accepting that this is fiction, and agreeing to overlook it in exchange for a better story.
Honestly, just look at Kanon.
Sure, in real life there could never be a fox that turned into a human in exchange for her life. But that doesn't make Makoto's story any less sad. You kind of just need to pretend it's real, and it's so much more powerful...

And theres such a thing as over analyzing, get over it.

[qtipbrit]

i'm pretty torn right now. Half of me is all like "Go Yuji! get stronger~" and the other half is like "YOU IDIOT DIE!"

is anyone else getting what i'm saying?
Shana's tsundere traits are passing on to you. That could be good or bad, but I'll go with bad, especially if you're a guy.
If you like Shana, you go with the positive half, if you're an emo go with the negative path, lol :heh:

And theres such a thing as over analyzing, get over it.
Yes, there is. Even in anime and such, the existence of overanalysation is apparent, did you see Death Note or Code Geass?
Of course, some people think too little all the time to ever think too much about a certain subject, so overanalysation may be incomprehensible to them.

[Proto]

This is where the concept of overlooking the obvious is important. What is it called? Selective ignorance? The accepting that this is fiction, and agreeing to overlook it in exchange for a better story.

Suspension of disbelief. The audience perfectly knows that the work/play/movie/series isn't real, however they are willing to temporaly suspend that knowledge (and to accept the premises of the show as truth) in exchange of the promise of entertainment . It is because suspension of disbelief exist that literature with any trace of fantasy in it can succeed, and a resource that has existed since the beginnings of humanity (even though it wasn't know as such) so I dunno what you all are discussing about :heh:

[HayashiTakara]

Shana's tsundere traits are passing on to you. That could be good or bad, but I'll go with bad, especially if you're a guy.

Yes, there is. Even in anime and such, the existence of overanalysation is apparent, did you see Death Note or Code Geass?
Of course, some people think too little all the time to ever think too much about a certain subject, so overanalysation may be incomprehensible to them.

Only one thing to say cause I'm very tired... I love your Avatar... lol

[teachopvutru]

Hmmm... just watched this episode. Not sure if it's because of Clannad, which is rather fast-paced, that this episode (and the past one) feels a bit slow. However, I'm pretty satisfied with it (and with the past one as well). Plus, Shana is so cute while talking to Chigusa. :3

Also, it's been a while since I last saw Chigusa open her eyes... Is it a recent trend that the eyes-shut-all-the-time characters suddenly follow the fashion of opening their eyes? O_o;;

On the other hand, I love the new ED. It fits with the atmosphere of the series pretty well and makes the end of the episode somewhat more memorable. :)

[Leon_Lelouch]

Wow.... nice episode...
I would like to see Yuji fighting....
Because I want to see a guy fighting too.... not always the girls (cause all the flame haze that has been fighting are all girls except for Kashim though)

[Ratix]

Oh shana was so awesome in this episode... New Shana clothes = <3.

[Paul]

Hmmm... just watched this episode. Not sure if it's because of Clannad, which is rather fast-paced, that this episode (and the past one) feels a bit slow. However, I'm pretty satisfied with it (and with the past one as well). Plus, Shana is so cute while talking to Chigusa. :3


Yea i feel the same way about the pace. At first i thought things were actually moving WAY TOO fast, because i felt that by the end of the episode Yuiji would already leave with Shana........ then when the second part of the episode kicked in everything seemed to just be getting slower and slower and it was easily understandable that Yuiji was just in a state of confusion.

I was like FINALLY when shana asked yuiji to go buy melon bread with her and then i was just like WTF when he declined....... Oh well, maybe next episode will have shana say Yurusai, Yurusai, and then suddenly stop :D

[KaneDragon]

Oh well, maybe next episode will have shana say Yurusai, Yurusai, and then suddenly stop :D
I feel like that would put the universe in a state of deadlock. :uhoh:

[DX HBK]

The triple urusai have been left too long in the dark.
Just hearing them is definite proof of Shana's trademark.
It must be all or nothing because anything else ruins the whole lyric.
Shana would yell the triple urusai and then deliver some Sweet Chin Music.

[Grimkill7]

Am I the only one who was annoyed by this episode? Yuji FINALLY drops his dumb harem guy persona and actually works towards something, and every single character in the show is all over his balls for it. I can't really fault Yuji for the things he said in this episode as they were absolutely correct. Sometimes the cold hard truth is best. If he goes back to standing around like a moron and screaming his lungs out whenever a Tomogara shows up, I can only blame the other characters for halting his growth. And yes, his speech to Yoshida was golden and it should have happened 3 episodes back before my patience got on a bus and left town.

[teachopvutru]

Am I the only one who was annoyed by this episode? Yuji FINALLY drops his dumb harem guy persona and actually works towards something, and every single character in the show is all over his balls for it. I can't really fault Yuji for the things he said in this episode as they were absolutely correct. Sometimes the cold hard truth is best. If he goes back to standing around like a moron and screaming his lungs out whenever a Tomogara shows up, I can only blame the other characters for halting his growth. And yes, his speech to Yoshida was golden and it should have happened 3 episodes back before my patience got on a bus and left town.

To be honest, I didn't really understand what that whole conversation was about. It's a bit too vague, but it seems like they are angry because he's feeling too sorry and being a bit too pessimistic.

Yuji now is being rather desperate, though, so instead of running over (since the situation doesn't permit walking), he's jumping from one end of the spectrum to the other end. =/

On the other hand, wasn't it around the same episode that they decided to leave the city in the last season? :uhoh:

[greyhawk]

To be honest, I didn't really understand what that whole conversation was about. It's a bit too vague, but it seems like they are angry because he's feeling too sorry and being a bit too pessimistic.
Er, I don't think he's either feeling sorry or being pessimistic. He just stopped being a wuss :heh: and suddenly everyone won't give him the time of day, just what kind of fussy logic is that?
Hope I'm not the only one who finds Kazumi and her inferiority complex friggin' annoying, why won't she just F-off? :eyebrow:

[Owaranai Destiny]

Am I the only one who was annoyed by this episode? Yuji FINALLY drops his dumb harem guy persona and actually works towards something, and every single character in the show is all over his balls for it.

Hmm...Well, first of all, he's literally working towards this 'something' without really taking the advice of the experts in the field-Margery, in particular. It just didn't feel like Sakai Yuuji at all, to reject advice regarding 'spellcasting' from an expert and causing her to put off training for a day because of his obstinacy. I highly doubt the Flame Hazes or even their Ous are belittling Yuuji (Praised him for his apparent change in attitude, even), but since they know what it's like to be training, you ought to listen to them before shooting your mouth off and biting off more than you can chew.

To put it simply, Yuuji dude, this isn't a typical Shounen anime. ;)

His urgency is understandable, but his attitude isn't.

I can't really fault Yuji for the things he said in this episode as they were absolutely correct. Sometimes the cold hard truth is best. If he goes back to standing around like a moron and screaming his lungs out whenever a Tomogara shows up, I can only blame the other characters for halting his growth.

Absolutely correct? As in which of his statements?

And what's there to blame? Shana was worried about him, Kazumi was worried about him, Margery was dishing out advice as an expert in her field. They are either concerned or trying to help him. What's wrong with that?

I think I mentioned earlier that Yuuji was actually lying to himself in those conversations he had. Of course, I was convinced at first that some sort of iron will was born in him, but the thing is, he isn't even paying attention to Shana when she asked him to come with her to buy Melon-pan, the very person whom he said he would go with away from the city. It's hypocritical in a sense, and I assume that might be why Shana felt something was off.

In another case, when he was talking to Shana about leaving the city, it seemed as though he was somewhat worried about his mother. His attempt to make the whole thing casual was poor. If Yuuji had really decided on leaving the 'human' world behind, he should have taken the initiative to make sure there was nothing he could worry about.

As much as his attitude is commendable, and I would love to see him in action with Blutsauger, I don't like this kind of half-assed resolve from him, and maybe Zarovee might actually help him truly strengthen that.

EDIT: I know I'm one of the few who disapproves, but perhaps we can take the Kazumi-bashing somewhere, say, into a character discussion thread, hmm?

[HayashiTakara]

His resolve isn't half assed, its how he's going about it.

Shana agrees with everything Yuji is saying, but its whats behind the words is whats bothering her. Shana wants Yuji to go with her out of love, not out of necessity. Yoshida wants Yuji to dump her cause he doesn't love her in that fashion, not out of necessity. Everyone doesn't like the fact that he's trying to discard his previous self completely, he should at least keep his old caring self.. but I think thats a bit difficult to do... but then again, I still see the ending as Yuji and Shana being eternal super heroes who protects the world from Tomogara.

Whats ironic is, is that Yuji is in love with Shana, and vice versa, but neither party knows that... And whats odd is, is that even Kazumi knows that Yuji only has shana in his eyes, but, she's still sticking around.... that b**** annoys me to no bounds.... and I hate that she's in the "heroes line-up" in the intro when she has ZERO contribution to the group other than unnecessary drama...

[DX HBK]

Yuji is unconsciously allowing the events to change him.
And that has only served to push him over the cup's rim.
Once innocence is lost, his nature surely has shifted towards pessimism.
Perhaps he's seeking to conceal his own turmoil with false optimism.
He's getting effective in manuevering his requests past the Flame Haze.
Yet, his allies are wondering if Yuji is mentally lost in his own maze.

[Owaranai Destiny]

His resolve isn't half assed, its how he's going about it.

Not half-assed? Maybe an explanation about the conversation he had with Shana about Chigusa is in order. ;) He might not know it, but it could be a subconscious action. He was still worried about his mother, that's for sure.

Shana agrees with everything Yuji is saying, but its whats behind the words is whats bothering her. Shana wants Yuji to go with her out of love, not out of necessity. Yoshida wants Yuji to dump her cause he doesn't love her in that fashion, not out of necessity.

You got the first part half-right. It might or might not be love (to us it's pretty obvious, but to her, it might be a different story), but as long as he's going for the sake of her and not simply because of his own interests i.e. because he's becoming a liability to the safety of the city. At that point in time he showed that he was more concerned about his own pride than the intentions he wanted to go through with in the first place.

As for Kazumi, it's the same issue. It might be the same with males in a similar situation, that while Yuuji thought what he was doing is correct, and that he's telling the truth, the fact is he's only referring to the truth that he perceives to be correct. In other words, he's own opinion of what he should be doing with little regard (probably unintentional) to the feelings of the people who would be affected by his decisions.

Whats ironic is, is that Yuji is in love with Shana, and vice versa, but neither party knows that... And whats odd is, is that even Kazumi knows that Yuji only has shana in his eyes, but, she's still sticking around.... ***Snipped***

The girl's fighting in her own way, and I really feel for her this episode, because of Yuuji's actions. Was she all to blame for her continuous and probably fruitless quest for Yuuji?

Partly, yes. Her attitude when giving Yuuji the first bento was one of escapism. It was as though she was speaking and leaving quickly so that Yuuji would not have a chance to voice out any second thoughts he might have in accepting. In reality, she would never win because she thinks she has lost.

The man has some answering to do here too, because you don't just keep accepting a girl's handmade lunch to you day after day then suddenly reject her for some reason laced with strange logic.

Anyway, it's not as though I'm pissed at Yuuji, because this is all part of his development as a character.

[Skyfall]

This episode was somewhat of a letdown, and i couldn't shrug the feeling something is of. Technically all the angsting around makes sense to a degree ... and doesn't at the same time. Everything is suddenly doom and gloom and i am left scratching my head why it all went down the drain so quickly ... then again Shana S2 has been "great" at creating second hand drama whenever the relationships are involved, so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

Well, lets hope that next week Yuji straightens his resolve instead of being over-eager and hotheaded about it, and lets hope everyone else stops overreacting towards it. Seeing that those assassin guys ambushed him at the end, i wonder if he is going to put any of his newfound "skills" to use ... though chances are he will fail miserably :) Oh well, we shall see how this all develops, but i am leaving this episode with an odd taste in my mouth.

[Paul]

Yuji is unconsciously allowing the events to change him.
And that has only served to push him over the cup's rim.
Once innocence is lost, his nature surely has shifted towards pessimism.
Perhaps he's seeking to conceal his own turmoil with false optimism.
He's getting effective in manuevering his requests past the Flame Haze.
Yet, his allies are wondering if Yuji is mentally lost in his own maze.

I guess il be the first person to say "nice poem!" :D especially lines 3 and 4

Forgot to mention this in my previous post but aren't the current Tomogara somewhat "funny" looking? I mean that guy who controlled the magnets looked like some imp from a kids fairy-tale and whats up with that giant tower that has a flaming head and tentacles? Im not saying i don't like them, but its just so different from the likes of Friagne........

[KaneDragon]

Im not saying i don't like them, but its just so different from the likes of Friagne........

Style is hard to come by. :p

Hecate has a nice hat. :D

[HayashiTakara]

Style is hard to come by. :p

Hecate has a nice hat. :D

lol..uh... Hecates hat is considered a good sense of fashion? lol :heh:

[Paul]

lol..uh... Hecates hat is considered a good sense of fashion? lol :heh:

Hecate's hat is awesome!:D

If i were a girl, i would SOOOOOOO wear it!:p

[HayashiTakara]

Half assed is when you don't put everything you have into it. Like when you decide to train in a martial arts, instead of putting everything you have into every punch you just swing your arm with nothing behind it. The term half-assed isn't the proper one to use in this scenario, as he is taking everything seriously.

We all know Yuji is going to leave to protect everyone and everything thats in the city, he's just disassociating himself to make the transition easier.

And you know Yuji took the bento's because he didn't want to hurt her feelings, he resolved himself in this episode to finally stop leading Kazumi along, he knows he doesn't care for her in that fashion, otherwise he would've returned her feelings a long time ago. How he went about it was wrong though. He should've told her straight out that he doesn't love her, it would've made things a little easier.

On a side note, if you were a girl, you would have better fashion sense and not think the hat is awesome, lol XP

[Anh_Minh]

Am I the only one who was annoyed by this episode? Yuji FINALLY drops his dumb harem guy persona and actually works towards something, and every single character in the show is all over his balls for it. I can't really fault Yuji for the things he said in this episode as they were absolutely correct. Sometimes the cold hard truth is best. If he goes back to standing around like a moron and screaming his lungs out whenever a Tomogara shows up, I can only blame the other characters for halting his growth. And yes, his speech to Yoshida was golden and it should have happened 3 episodes back before my patience got on a bus and left town.
While the logical part of me agrees with what he said, I also agree with Shana: it's not what he really feels, it's just an excuse.

I also understand Kazumi and Shana's anger: Yuuji wasn't answering to Kazumi's confession, but to the situation. It's like saying "You're so far under my radar, your confession of love doesn't warrant a proper answer from me."

[Rhyel]

This episode up my curiosity about Yuji mother, she is more than appear...

Her got sick in this episode, and I think that it is a only one that perceive the new enemy.

The Father of Yuji avoid the Shana attack remember?

Mistery... :)

[Owaranai Destiny]

We all know Yuji is going to leave to protect everyone and everything thats in the city, he's just disassociating himself to make the transition easier.

Which isn't true, in his case. I don't know if Chigusa's suddenly sickness applies as a plot device for him to start having doubts about leaving the city, but it's there. He's disassociating himself to the extent of being too abrupt. He's making things easier for himself. What he doesn't know is that he's doing it in such a way that hurts others close to him.

And you know Yuji took the bento's because he didn't want to hurt her feelings, he resolved himself in this episode to finally stop leading Kazumi along, he knows he doesn't care for her in that fashion, otherwise he would've returned her feelings a long time ago. How he went about it was wrong though. He should've told her straight out that he doesn't love her, it would've made things a little easier.


It's as though the recent events gave him an opportunity to reject her, but he botched it. His first instinct was to the responsibility about the city, and coupled with the fact that he simply rejected her bento when accepting it the day before made it too abrupt. Who wouldn't be angry, even if for a little bit?

[KaneDragon]

lol..uh... Hecates hat is considered a good sense of fashion? lol :heh:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/116/snapshot20080221211659ux1.jpg
Don't diss The Hat. ;)

[serenade_beta]

Don't diss The Hat. ;)

I'd like a set of her outfit. :)

[DeotoxSlayer]

This episode up my curiosity about Yuji mother, she is more than appear...

Her got sick in this episode, and I think that it is a only one that perceive the new enemy.

The Father of Yuji avoid the Shana attack remember?

Mistery... :)

I don't Yuji's mom, and dad are anything more than normal humans, and Chigusa's "Sickness" is because Yuji's dad was very "restless" during his stay since he hasn't seen Chigusa in a while, If you get what I mean;););)

[Guido]

It would be a cruel thing to me rating this episode with an '8', because the drama was befitting with Shana, Yuuji, and Kazumi's state of their hearts and wasn't campy.

Therefore, I giving it a '9'.

Yes, since the aftermath of the Seishuu Festival, the cast are growing-up to reflect and reevaluate their roles in respect to the ground that all of them are standing on now.

I think part of the reason that Yuuji's chest ached and feeling not well around his surroundings was due that part of him wishes not to say farewell and leave the peaceful and mundane world that he has known as Sakai Yuuji.

It's a blow that's eating him alive but tries to cover up putting a facade, that he has finally accepted his nature as a Torch and Mystess.

But his human existence longs to walk on those happy days with all of his schoolmates and to be by his mother's side.

What will became of Chigusa after he's gone either leaving with Shana or be erased?

Would his hollow resolve be correlated to Chigusa's falling ill? or more likely a signal that things are not going well inside Yuuji?

Shana surely has changed completely her outlook and heart. During the first arc of the previous season, she was rational and adamant 'Flame Haze' more concerned with the matters of the mission, but we have seen grown alongside Yuuji since their first contact. With him she has been exposed and living in a world so near and so distance to Flame Hazes. A world she thought at some point meaningless to stand inside.

Shana as well realized that Yuuji is lying to himself. She's now worried, concerned, and hurt that Yuuji giving reckless thoughts at wanting leave behind the memories and the significance of the human existence.

And where does Kazumi will be fitting in the middle? She's trying to cope with her role and knows well she has no place to stand in the world of Flame Hazes, but still she wishes to at least have her feelings replied by Yuuji with the most sincere answer.

[HayashiTakara]

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/116/snapshot20080221211659ux1.jpg
Don't diss The Hat. ;)

I gotta admit, that pic is Epic Win

[Silverwyrm]

Shana's short response to her thoughts on yuji's feelings were spot on I believe "his answer was right, but also wrong" yuji has understood what it means for him to stay, and that he needs to go (right), but he is trying to claim he has "stopped caring" about the rest since he cant do anything to help them after he's gone(wrong). Just because hes leaving doesn't mean he should stop caring simply because he can't do anything about it anymore.

[teelotes]

Shana's short response to her thoughts on yuji's feelings were spot on I believe "his answer was right, but also wrong" yuji has understood what it means for him to stay, and that he needs to go (right), but he is trying to claim he has "stopped caring" about the rest since he cant do anything to help them after he's gone(wrong). Just because hes leaving doesn't mean he should stop caring simply because he can't do anything about it anymore.

Somehow this reminds me of Shana in the 1st season, where she just wants to fight cos she doesn't need to think when she's fighting. It felt that Yuji being so resolute about his own thinking is his way of convincing himself that he has found a solution to the situation, when in fact he is only escaping from it. But I guess it's only normal to swing both extremes (from being afraid to make a decision, to blindly following a wrong one) before one can finally be mature and truly understand the situation.

[Aquifina]

Shana's short response to her thoughts on yuji's feelings were spot on I believe "his answer was right, but also wrong" yuji has understood what it means for him to stay, and that he needs to go (right), but he is trying to claim he has "stopped caring" about the rest since he cant do anything to help them after he's gone(wrong). Just because hes leaving doesn't mean he should stop caring simply because he can't do anything about it anymore.

I also think this is the best way to approach Yuji's recent spate of problems. Shana's right that Yuji shouldn't try to discard all his human associations, even if his fate is now, perhaps irrevocably, separated from the city. But it should be pointed out that Yuji's desire to leave is also a product of his basic desire to protect those important to him; his comments to Shana *were* off about his mom, but there's nothing Yuji does that indicates any callousness on his part. He takes care of her, takes a day off from school, and even tries to cook.

I also think his attempt at dealing with Kazumi was fine, although her reaction was certainly understandable.

All that being said, I don't think anyone *really* understands Yuji's predicament. It's been mentioned earlier in this thread that he should take more advice from folks like Margery, but Margery's as much in the dark as anyone else as to what's going on with Yuji. And I think all Shana really wants is Yuji (i.e. the human personality of Yuji she met back in season 1) to be in love with her. But Yuji himself now realizes that he's more than just a version of the Sakai Yuji that happens to have the Reiji maigo inside of him. In a lot of ways, the end of the episode only supports Yuji's position--what happens?--he gets attacked *again*, right after Shana and Yoshida criticize his desire to leave the city. I think Shana's under the delusion she can always protect him, and he can always just be the same Sakai Yuji who brought coffee up to her on his rooftop, but that's no longer in the cards.

Furthermore, it's clear that Yuji feels somewhat depressed and isolated; and why shouldn't he be? He's carrying around inside of him some bizarre device that includes a silver monster *and* another person, which happens to be the epicenter of all sorts of misfortunes and disasters. Yuji is now a marked man, pursued by both enemies without, and haunted by the strange things within himself. I think he deserves a lot of credit for trying to find a way to sort it all out, even if his attitude is a bit off right now. And I think Shana and Yoshida should actually think about showing a bit more support for him and his situation; both of them seem to be under the bizarre impression he should just amble along the status quo, where they get to see him at school, and hang out at things like the school festival.

All that being said, Yuji's problem of identity will need to be settled in a way that is more satisfactory to his original self, but also compatible with the realities of his situation.

[teelotes]

All that being said, I don't think anyone *really* understands Yuji's predicament. It's been mentioned earlier in this thread that he should take more advice from folks like Margery, but Margery's as much in the dark as anyone else as to what's going on with Yuji. And I think all Shana really wants is Yuji (i.e. the human personality of Yuji she met back in season 1) to be in love with her. But Yuji himself now realizes that he's more than just a version of the Sakai Yuji that happens to have the Reiji maigo inside of him. In a lot of ways, the end of the episode only supports Yuji's position--what happens?--he gets attacked *again*, right after Shana and Yoshida criticize his desire to leave the city. I think Shana's under the delusion she can always protect him, and he can always just be the same Sakai Yuji who brought coffee up to her on his rooftop, but that's no longer in the cards. I can understand why Shana would want Yuji to remain human. He was the one who showed her the world beyond the war between the Crimson World & here. It was the human side of her that she has never got in touch with since she was trained from young by Alastor. Of course, then again, she wouldn't have met just any ordinary human, so perhaps this is the fate of her human side of life & love, if she was ever to have any? Though it would be foolhardy to reject change & keep things the way they are, that's human nature.

On the other hand, Yuji's not all correct too, in believing that there is a final solution out there that would solve his problems. Would leaving the city really solve everything? To me, that is just a haphazard response to his current situation, or worse, an escapist approach. However, I do agree with him being stronger & having the will to fight. What matters most would be having the correct attitude, so if he wants an answer to his problems, he'll have to truly understand the reason why he wants to fight.

[Anh_Minh]

Leaving the city will solve one immediate problem: his fights keep endangering those closest to him.

It will also, probably, diminish the frequency of the attacks, since the attackers will have to spend some time looking for him, instead of having his damn home address.

[teelotes]

Leaving the city will solve one immediate problem: his fights keep endangering those closest to him.

It will also, probably, diminish the frequency of the attacks, since the attackers will have to spend some time looking for him, instead of having his damn home address.

I guess the translocation of the Reiji Maigo to Yuji is a result of the state of the city, and not vice versa. They did predict (in Season 1 I think) that the city has an affinity to attract trouble, and even if Yuji left the city, any catastrophe couldn't have been prevented and circumstances would probably just draw him back.

He might be at a better position to protect those he loved if he stayed in the city and fight for them. Besides, I believe he also needs to draw the courage and strength to fight by being around his family and friends.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind if he leaves the city for a few days, temporarily. It may sound like a typical plot device, but being separated from the loved ones temporarily will make him treasure them more, and probably understand the situation better from a different perspective.

[Anh_Minh]

What were the troubles that weren't tied to Reiji Maigo?

The twins, who wanted Shana's sword, and Friagne, IIRC. I don't think the city necessarily has anything special... except that it has Reiji Maigo and all those Flame Hazes in it, now.

[teachopvutru]

I guess the translocation of the Reiji Maigo to Yuji is a result of the state of the city, and not vice versa. They did predict (in Season 1 I think) that the city has an affinity to attract trouble, and even if Yuji left the city, any catastrophe couldn't have been prevented and circumstances would probably just draw him back.

No, I think they say that in Season 2, a few episodes ago.

What were the troubles that weren't tied to Reiji Maigo?

The twins, who wanted Shana's sword, and Friagne, IIRC. I don't think the city necessarily has anything special... except that it has Reiji Maigo and all those Flame Hazes in it, now.

Actualy, Friagne's isn't. His devour of city plan is completely unrelated to the Reiji Maigo. He only know about the Reiji Maigo while he's at it. About the twins, since you did say they were there for Shana's sword, so it probably isn't related to Reiji Maigo, either, albeit Shana's stay is because of the Reiji Maigo.

[KaneDragon]

What were the troubles that weren't tied to Reiji Maigo?

The twins, who wanted Shana's sword, and Friagne, IIRC. I don't think the city necessarily has anything special... except that it has Reiji Maigo and all those Flame Hazes in it, now.
Actualy, Friagne's isn't. His devour of city plan is completely unrelated to the Reiji Maigo. He only know about the Reiji Maigo while he's at it. About the twins, since you did say they were there for Shana's sword, so it probably isn't related to Reiji Maigo, either, albeit Shana's stay is because of the Reiji Maigo.
...Um... Anh_Minh is saying that those two weren't related to the Raging Mango. :rolleyes:

And you can add to that list that random guy Shana used to test Konoe.

[teachopvutru]

...Um... Anh_Minh is saying that those two weren't related to the Raging Mango. :rolleyes:

Haha... Didn't read that carefully. XD

Anyway, my mistake.

But I think Yuji won't be able to leave the city even if he wants to... He should be there to attract misfortune to the city. :p

[minhtam1638]

Haha... Didn't read that carefully. XD

Anyway, my mistake.

But I think Yuji won't be able to leave the city even if he wants to... He should be there to attract misfortune to the city. :p

I don't think he can, either. But I also think that Misaki city should stay out of the way, which is impossible at this point because Misaki generally became somewhat of a pool of existence. There's so much conflict in that city that even if Yuji leaves, the aftertaste of Reiji Maigo will still remain, and tomagara and all will still feast on existence.

And goddammit, what is up with these shake-your-booty-left-and-right-hands-like-bunny-ears avatars? I see Shana, Yuki, Kirino, Miyako... I see those things everywhere! Might as well make a Nagi AMV with Shana and Louise singing "WWW.BLONDEGIRL".

EDIT: Why didn't I just say hip-dancing?

[KaneDragon]

And goddammit, what is up with these shake-your-booty-left-and-right-hands-like-bunny-ears avatars? I see Shana, Yuki, Kirino, Miyako... I see those things everywhere! Might as well make a Nagi AMV with Shana and Louise singing "WWW.BLONDEGIRL".

EDIT: Why didn't I just say hip-dancing?

Go here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=62297). The meme probably won't last much longer, so if you want to join, you'd better hurry! :heh:

[teachopvutru]

And goddammit, what is up with these shake-your-booty-left-and-right-hands-like-bunny-ears avatars? I see Shana, Yuki, Kirino, Miyako... I see those things everywhere! Might as well make a Nagi AMV with Shana and Louise singing "WWW.BLONDEGIRL".

EDIT: Why didn't I just say hip-dancing?

If you want a Shana one, I already took it. :D I'm one of the early convert :heh:

But I think there are more Shana ones, see Riker (the one who starts CaramellDansen craze in this forum)'s thread here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1419859&postcount=604).

Back on topic, after this episode, I suppose all hopes are gone that Ike will ever confess to Kazumi in this season since it's the 18th episode already :uhoh: and so far there's no sign of him doing it any time soon. But seeing the title of episode 22, there may be a chance after all...

I'm a little surprise that the discussion in this episode thread is even more "lively" than the latest one...

[KaneDragon]

I'm a little surprise that the discussion in this episode thread is even more "lively" than the latest one...

Well, Eclipse hasn't released subs for 19 yet, so what else do we have to do besides hang out in here? :p

[teachopvutru]

Well, Eclipse hasn't released subs for 19 yet, so what else do we have to do besides hang out in here? :p

That's where the "little" comes from, otherwise I would be considerably more surprise, although not much either.

But it seems like Yuji kicks ass in episode 19, I'm personally really looking forward to it.

[KaneDragon]

Aaaaaand, subs are out, so I'm removing my subscription with this thread. ;)

[teelotes]

And goddammit, what is up with these shake-your-booty-left-and-right-hands-like-bunny-ears avatars? I see Shana, Yuki, Kirino, Miyako... I see those things everywhere! Might as well make a Nagi AMV with Shana and Louise singing "WWW.BLONDEGIRL".

EDIT: Why didn't I just say hip-dancing?

I've wanted to ask this exact same question too for a long time. :heh:

[minhtam1638]

If you want a Shana one, I already took it. :D I'm one of the early convert :heh:

But I think there are more Shana ones, see Riker (the one who starts CaramellDansen craze in this forum)'s thread here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1419859&postcount=604).

See, I know Shana's cute when she does it, but she's one of the last few people I would expect actually doing it. And I see others that I really didn't expect either.

[teelotes]

See, I know Shana's cute when she does it, but she's one of the last few people I would expect actually doing it. And I see others that I really didn't expect either.

How about Wilhelmina? That would be cute.

They should do an Alastor one too :heh:

[minhtam1638]

How about Wilhelmina? That would be cute.

They should do an Alastor one too :heh:

My list of "last few people" is fairly large, actually. They just make up a small population compared to everyone else in the anime world.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

I just saw this episode, and I thought it was exceptionally well animated. The dialogue was executed well, and the ending was cool. I enjoyed it. 10/10

[holyman282]

I really liked this ep, the dialogue and camera styles were well executed and conveyed the emotions each character is feeling well.

I particularly liked the directions in which the two main characters, Yuji and Shana are heading. It's interesting to witness the growing dichotomy in attitude between the two characters as we see Yuji become less human (Wanting to get stronger, preparing to leave his mother alone ect) while we see Shana become more human (worrying about Chigusa, blushing when she gets complimented and overall behaving like a normal girl).

The change in character between the two are a stark contrast to how they behaved in S1 where the situation was reversed. Great ep and great character development.

[alvinkhorfire]

I am sorry if this question has been answered before. If so, please give me the link to the post.

Wilhemina said that since Yuji have large power of existence, he can become a spellcaster. What is the quality that you must have to be a spellcaster? Since Shana and Wilhemina also have large power of existence (after all, they are Flame Hazes anyway), why can't they become spellcaster? Please clarify on this.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Interesting episode, The 2nd opening, is growing on me abit, especially the beat and music not so much the singing, I almost thing they should have used this for the first op, and Joint for the second. though keep the animation the same for both.

[Genstone]

Can someone shed some light on this?

I don't understand why Kazumi and Shana are so pissed at the end of this episode. Why does Yuji's apology make Kazumi angry? Why does Shana say Yuji is lying?
What's wrong with saying those things?!

I just don't get the drama.


EDIT:
Gosh I couldn't believe I just missed the last 2 pages of this thread (pg. 7 and 8). Those 2 pages (or maybe even more pages back) contain some good comments people made last year.

Well, after reading those, I sort of have an idea of what happens in episode 18. But I also have my own opinions about what each of the 3 characters should have done.

Yuji's problem is complex. He deserves much more empathy from the people around him, especially Shana and Kazumi. He also deserves support and wise advice, NOT criticism. Because criticizing someone who is confused without telling him WHY he (is thought to be) wrong is useless and pointless; it wouldn't change a thing, and would only add to the confusion. Shana and Kazumi shouldn't criticize, but understand, and advise.
However, that doesn't mean Yuji is totally correct. Yuji's thinking isn't really wrong, but he has committed a mistake: he talks too much. If you were in his situation, you shouldn't speak about your feelings towards the situation too much. Why? Because no matter what you're thinking, people might misunderstand it. And it's a lot better for Shana and Kazumi to wonder about what Yuji is thinking than to have them both misunderstand him.

Shana is being too cold here. All 3 people, including Yuji I suppose, know that Yuji is lying to himself. But there must be a cause for it, and the cause is the predicament he is in. As I said, Shana's harsh words are useless. They wouldn't wake Yuji up. If she would just tell him what she thinks he should do, then things would be a lot better. (Then again, for the sake of the drama factor, I guess the scriptwriter would write it this way as we have seen in this episode.)

Kazumi is not making herself clear. She knows that Yuji and Shana are going to be together. She knows she is fighting at the losing end of the love battle. But since Yuji hasn't "officially" chosen between Shana and herself, she thinks she might still have a chance. So she fights for him. That's completely fine. But, not making clear of herself isn't. Come on, in real-life, if we have to verbally reject someone's love, we would say "sorry", right? At least that's one of the common options. No matter Yuji says "sorry" because of what, Kazumi is overreacting. It's just that simple. I don't see any big deal with Yuji's not-definite answer, because there is no rule that states he has to say "no, I don't have feelings for you" to Kazumi. She is just overreacting. That's all. If she wants Yuji to answer her feelings clearly, say so. Else, don't blame the other person.

Actually, the drama in this part of this episode is pretty fictional. Come to think of it, we don't behave like this in real-life. Something in this drama just doesn't match the way we are in reality. This is what I call "fictional logic". Just like slapstick comedy and those weird behaviours expressed by girls in loli anime and manga, drama like this is just for entertainment. They don't exist in reality.

Lol I've just finished watching this show so I have lots of thoughts going through me.