Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[HayashiTakara]

I wonder if we'll see Yuji in action this episode, I sure hope so *crosses fingres*

[InternHertz]

Just loved the second half of the episode !

Can't wait until episode 20 >_<!

So, 2 out of 3 down in a single episode...the next fight will be epic for sure. Go, Yuji !

However, him screaming to save Tanaka was...well... :p

[ashlay]

And now we find out exactly why Wilhelmina was such a bad cook. That was the grossest looking stew ever. Oh well, whatever works for fever/possible morning sickness. (Though I'm a little afraid that she needed Tiamat to remember what all the ingredients were >_>)

Poor Tanaka, just can't seem to entirely get out of the Guze world. Stupid Misaki city being a focal point for war and junk. Still, good that Tanaka was able to get by his own insecurities for the sake of his friends; Sato was completely right about Tanaka 2 weeks back. (the bowing 10 times was a bit much though...)

Oh, and holy crap he was a colony laser all along! Next week it looks like things are quickly escalating; 5 (?) episodes to go.

[Arnaiyus]

Screencaps are up (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/02/21/shakugan-no-shana-ii-19/)
For those like me who either are at school or at work and can't watch the episode on nicovideo (yet!), screenies are always welcome ;). Looks like a hot episode, and, Oh Snapz, Sabrac in the preview!

Edit: That's just so cool (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Shakugan%20no%20Shana/Shakugan%20no%20Shana%20II%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2010.jpg)

[HayashiTakara]

zOmG, I must see this episode NOW!

[PhantomX]

Man, I cannot wait till next week... hooray for the preview!

[Arnaiyus]

Finally got home and watched the entire episode and must say: wow. The whole scene where Yuji decides to engage Zarovee is pure gold. There will be absolutely no slow downs from now on, in fact, there are so few episodes left that it's still unclear how J.C will pull it off lol.

[serenade_beta]

Wow... Yuuji was amazing this episode! He completely wiped out Zarovee!

Bifrons was obliterated by the explosion caused by his attack and Shana's collision, too!

It's kind of a pity Zarovee was destroyed. He was amusing to watch, and his fusion power was strange too. Of course, being an extremely weak Denizen, he is a huge coward and flinched every time something did not go as planned...

Bifrons... was just disappointing...

Tanaka ends up being a big help, despite already resolving not to mess with the Crimson World... But now he has also parted ways with Margery too. Stay away, boy...

At the most, the most boring part of this episode was the Chigusa moments.
It's getting exciting again!

Preview: Madder Red Struggle to the Death; Breaking Sword Sabrac!!

[Sterling01]

That's just so cool (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Shakugan%20no%20Shana/Shakugan%20no%20Shana%20II%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2010.jpg)

Talk about foreshadowing.
They even used both of them.
Well that's a very very good sigh :heh::heh:

[Owaranai Destiny]

Screencaps are up (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/02/21/shakugan-no-shana-ii-19/)
For those like me who either are at school or at work and can't watch the episode on nicovideo (yet!), screenies are always welcome ;). Looks like a hot episode, and, Oh Snapz, Sabrac in the preview!

Edit: That's just so cool (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Shakugan%20no%20Shana/Shakugan%20no%20Shana%20II%20-%2019%20-%20Large%2010.jpg)

Yeah, holy shit. After looking at the screenshots, I can't help but continue thinking that Bifrons is involved in calling out Sabrac in some way.

Ah...Zarovee. It was entertaining while it lasted. Unfortunately for you, Yuuji needs to be shown to be more badass.

[mist2123]

man even this series is infected by dansen:heh:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9873/loltm4.jpg

[ashlay]

Talk about foreshadowing.
They even used both of them.
Well that's a very very good sigh :heh::heh:
This is going to be such a cliffhanger if they do it though. >_>

[mist2123]

Finally got home and watched the entire episode and must say: wow. The whole scene where Yuji decides to engage Zarovee is pure gold. There will be absolutely no slow downs from now on, in fact, there are so few episodes left that it's still unclear how J.C will pull it off lol.

I hope there is a 3rd season

EDit;
i just finished watching the episode. This episode is certainly a cliffhanger.
tho the pink nuke somewhat reminds me of nanoha :)

[aroduc]

I think Zarovee's main power is "Stand around and look surprised."

YHbpumbZxF4

Yuji's semi-random screaming this episode was also pretty funny.

[HayashiTakara]

Yuji is my MUTHA FRAGGIN HERO!

[Algent]

It's too bad that this is the first fight of yuji in the anime because yuji vs Wilhelmina could have been as good a this one :p

[HayashiTakara]

Hero Choking Villian till neck Breaks = EPIC WIN!

[teelotes]

I'll look at the caps when I get home, but I sure wish there's more Shana x Yuji fighting.

[Malintex_Terek]

I knew it would happen. Yuuji went "GAR"! :D

[Deathscyther]

Great episode, one of the best this season^^

Finally we get to see Yuji in action and he did a great job. He looked badass.

[RiXeD]

Hello there, mister Zarovee, did you order one pissed off battle mistes?

[HayashiTakara]

Who would've guessed that Yuji is such a vicious fighter? I mean considering his personality and all... he had no mercy, no remorse, he freggin choked him to death with absolutely no hesitation for crying out loud... Yuji's so bad ass....

[Deathkillz]

I call it OOC...since when did yuji had the guts to break someone's neck :twitch:
Whoo...finally getting into the action.

The tomogaras where absolutely crap though. I sensed a lot of haxx coming from shana when she was able to deflect that nuke back to mr cannon.

And what the heck was Zarovee doing anyway...well he failed in the end :rolleyes:

The preview was the best for me...I can't wait ^^

[HayashiTakara]

"OOC" ? uh... don't get it?

[cnnydz]

The tomogaras where absolutely crap though. I sensed a lot of haxx coming from shana when she was able to deflect that nuke back to mr cannon.
they were not crap, that shot could easily kill any flame haze, the problem is they have to keep yuji alive, which complicates the procedure.

And what the heck was Zarovee doing anyway...well he failed in the end :rolleyes:


he was going to set up a fuzetsu, then the flame haze will have to come into the fuzetsu to investigate. then bifrons will blow up the whole area along with the flame hazes.

ps: ooc=out of character

[ThoHell]

YUJIIIIIIIIIIIII.....was definitely impressive in this episode. Awesome character development on his part.
Looks like in ep 20 that assassin guy will appear. One completely bad ass character unlike all the others we've seen so far. Can't wait to see that. He should be extremely powerful and skilled from everything we've heard and seen about him.

Next episode should be great.........or so I hope. Can't wait to find out!

[Kinny Riddle]

Holy shit, Yuji absolutely kicks ass, his ascent into kick-ass mod is long overdue. He doesn't even hesitate to strangle Zarovee's neck. Even the eyecatch looks awesome.

A bit disappointed Zarovee didn't last long, considering he appeared in the OP, he was just beginning to become an interesting villain.

As for Bifrons, I LOL'ed everytime I see his phallic looking shape. Shana certainly blew him to kingdom come just as he was about to "shoot" his "cannon". :heh: (Innuendo may or may not be intended :D )

Besides courage, Yuji also showed he's got the wits, feigning madness after spotting Tanaka in order to get his attention. As for Tanaka, he's faced his first dilemma since deciding to live a normal life. But in the end, he did the right thing by going straight to Margery (dragging Oga-chan with him), but stopped short of going back to help her, as he has already committed himself to Oga-chan, which is understandable.

And if you didn't notice Shana's various panty shots in episode 13, JC STAFF made sure you see it clearly this time, with Shana leaping onto Wilhelmina's threads in order to bungee jump and shoot her nuke at Bifrons.

Not satisfied with how the episode just jumped abruptly to the credits, should've at least shown Sabrac appearing, but still, great episode.

[Deathkillz]

they were not crap, that shot could easily kill any flame haze, the problem is they have to keep yuji alive, which complicates the procedure.

The wanted to keep him alive but having a nuke go off near him wasn't a very smart idea. And the shot that could have killed any flame haze was bounced back just like that...did not like it at all...

[serenade_beta]

Madder Red Battle to the Death

Shana and Wilhelmina meets up with Yuuji, who had figured out Zarovee's plan and completed the foremost plan with his own powers.
But without a moment to rest, a new attack strikes the three.
Numerous blades carves into Shana's body, and Wilhelmina and Yuuji are swallowed by a giant, madder red colored flame.
That happened in a moment and at the same time.
And a sword is thrusted into chest of Yuuji, who stood on top of the rubble the destroyed shopping district.
The owner of the sword was "Breaking Sword" Sabrac.
Zarovee inviting Yuuji to the business district, Bifrons aligning his movements with him, all was just a trap created by Sabrac.
Hiding his presence, he taunts the three flame hazes, Wilhemina, Margery, and Shana, as their wounds enlarge with time thanks the Unrestricted Method controlled by the enemy "Stigma".

Looks awesome, sounds awesome.

...
Then again, Zarovee's fight with Yuuji in the OP looked like it could be good... but it was rather simple in the actual event...

[nines]

the random screaming near tanaka kind of threw me off lol other wise great episode good come back.

[cnnydz]

And a sword is thrusted into chest of Yuuji, who stood on top of the rubble the destroyed shopping district.
The owner of the sword was "Breaking Sword" Sabrac.




so sabrac did get him. it seems yuji will not be able to escape his fate after all.

[HayashiTakara]

so sabrac did get him. it seems yuji will not be able to escape his fate after all.

don't forget, getting stabbed won't kill yuji, Yuji is virtually immortal being a Mistes and all... like when Shana basically sliced him in half in the first episode.

[Deathscyther]

so sabrac did get him. it seems yuji will not be able to escape his fate after all.

Aha, so it seems that the foreboding of the OP will happen after all

[Sterling01]

so sabrac did get him. it seems yuji will not be able to escape his fate after all.

don't forget, getting stabbed won't kill yuji, Yuji is virtually immortal being a Mistes and all... like when Shana basically sliced him in half in the first episode.

He's not talking about Yuji getting Killed

[HayashiTakara]

He's not talking about Yuji getting Killed

Then I am totally lost... >_> <_<

[DX HBK]

The Satou household has officially decreased the number of its resident pack
and Keisaku is now the only male able to secretly scope out Margery's impressive rack.
The total number of kills that Yuji has accumulated so far went up
just like the amount of medicine and tea needed to fill Chigusa's bedtime cup.
What the hell was Zarovee thinking in having one copy wear a pink tie?
Just posing like that randomly makes bystanders think, "What's up with this guy?"
The Blutsauger would definitely clear out Tomogara jokers and spammers.
But I wonder what it would be like if Yuji also had a Hougu combat hammer.

[kyoulover]

Madder Red Battle to the Death

Shana and Wilhelmina meets up with Yuuji, who had figured out Zarovee's plan and completed the foremost plan with his own powers.
But without a moment to rest, a new attack strikes the three.
Numerous blades carves into Shana's body, and Wilhelmina and Yuuji are swallowed by a giant, madder red colored flame.
That happened in a moment and at the same time.
And a sword is thrusted into chest of Yuuji, who stood on top of the rubble the destroyed shopping district.
The owner of the sword was "Breaking Sword" Sabrac.
Zarovee inviting Yuuji to the business district, Bifrons aligning his movements with him, all was just a trap created by Sabrac.
Hiding his presence, he taunts the three flame hazes, Wilhemina, Margery, and Shana, as their wounds enlarge with time thanks the Unrestricted Method controlled by the enemy "Stigma".

Looks awesome, sounds awesome.

...
Then again, Zarovee's fight with Yuuji in the OP looked like it could be good... but it was rather simple in the actual event...

It's too simple for me though... :heh:

ow...and can't wait for the next episode now -_-

seems pretty interesting that i keep thinking about it
Too bad that zarovee doesn't really fight back here :heh:
Aw...can't wait for the appearance of the kaijin sabrac, he seems really strong :heh:

[Major1138]

"OOC" ? uh... don't get it?

OOC = Out of character.

I can see why one could call what Yuji did that, although, if the story is going where I think it is, it does make sense in the end. Mind you, my view on this may be colored by what I know about where the story goes in the novels.

[Crisano]

Just watched the episode, I was expecting an interesting fight between Yuji and Zarovee, guess not. Despite me not understanding Japanese, what Yuji shouted at Zarovee was clever, what quick thinking alerting Eita. I will rate this episode once I am able to understand what exactly was said.Judging from the preview, next episode will be amazing.

[HayashiTakara]

Needs more choking and neck breaking!

[KaneDragon]

Did... did Yuji just snap some old dude's neck? Holy shit.:heh::heh::heh::heh:



http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1717/snapshot20080226181711rm0.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20080226181711rm0.jpg)
CAPTAIN, SHE'S COMING IN TOO FAST! BRACE FOR IMPAAAAAACT!

[yozaku]

this was the best eps so far

cant wait for next eps :D

[dave55man]

Definitely one of my favorite episodes. It's great seeing Yuji finally becoming bad-ass :P

[Master Chibi]

This entire episode had me laughing.

Yuji suddenly becoming WORTHWHILE is too little too late, so I ended up just giggling at all his detective work. The guy CHOKED the rainbow ascot coalition bastard, omg XD!!!!!

Transitioning from Yuji being in trouble to his mother drinking coffee had me rolling around too.

And the ending made me teary eyed from chuckling so damn hard.

"SHANA LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING I COULDNT SAY EARLIER!!"

FLAMMMMMMESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS & FIYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

END THEME PLAYS

Pure comedy.

[Grimkill7]

Did I just rate a Shana II episode a 10?? Why, yes I did. This episode was in fact perfect. Yuji being GAR, Shana pantsu, the complete absence of a character-that-shall-not-be-named-as-to-prevent-flame-posts. Just perfect. And the neck breaker, oh how I would vote 11 if I could.

[Whitemoon648]

Definitely one of my favorite episodes. It's great seeing Yuji finally becoming bad-ass :P

Bad-ass is an exageration. I mean He can throw small fire balls but compare it to Margery's Blasts. Its preaty much nothing. He simply defeated a weak tomogara. The kinda tomogara that couldnt even fight back and his power 1/5.


Yes i agree has become more usefull and stronger but far from being a badass. Now Pheles and Johan is you could call bad-ass :heh:.


P.S. Ah, why did they give phele's BGM to Yuji. I had hoped that at least he would have had his own BGM. Oh yeah the episode itself was preaty good. Cant wait for the next one.

[KaneDragon]

Yes i agree has become more usefull and stronger but far from being a badass.
He. Crushed. A. Guy's. Throat In. I don't care what that dude's power level was, that action speaks by itself, even more so coming from Yuji. :cool:
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8742/yujichokesabitchit7.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yujichokesabitchit7.jpg)

[mikesince83]

I call it OOC...since when did yuji had the guts to break someone's neck :twitch:

Well they made it rather clear he's back on track mentally so I'm sure that contributed to his performance. Also, this was the first(?) enemy to threaten the whole city...the very same city he just realized he wanted to stick around to protect. I'd say that's motivation for some neck snapping.

the random screaming near tanaka kind of threw me off lol other wise great episode good come back.

I was hoping someone else would mention this. Considering how adept he is at figuring out the Tomogara's evil plans you'd think he would have thought up a better way to warn Tanaka.

[The Real Nemo]

This entire episode had me laughing.

Yuji suddenly becoming WORTHWHILE is too little too late, so I ended up just giggling at all his detective work. The guy CHOKED the rainbow ascot coalition bastard, omg XD!!!!!

Transitioning from Yuji being in trouble to his mother drinking coffee had me rolling around too.

And the ending made me teary eyed from chuckling so damn hard.

"SHANA LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING I COULDNT SAY EARLIER!!"

FLAMMMMMMESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS & FIYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

END THEME PLAYS

Pure comedy.
Got to say, I don't understand your sense of humor at all... :heh:

[grey_moon]

This entire episode had me laughing.

Yuji suddenly becoming WORTHWHILE is too little too late, so I ended up just giggling at all his detective work. The guy CHOKED the rainbow ascot coalition bastard, omg XD!!!!!



Looks like his ability to read body language is back from the black hole of the earlier episodes. He was able to notice the smirk on Jager and then work out lots of stuff from it. Looks the the harem male quality is got a spam filter for girls only.

But all in all nice to see him actually useful and more importantly to see that the angsting lasted less then an episode *cheers*

Yuji's fighting style is really errrm up and personal and brutal. Shooting them from afar with the fireballs is one thing, but strangling someone to death with bare hands is oO

[_DaViD_]

omg next episode will be badass !!!

[Master Chibi]

Got to say, I don't understand your sense of humor at all... :heh:

I went through nearly two seasons of him being this oblivious harem male, and now in 20 minute he becomes an actual worthwhile, meaningful POINT to the plot?

naaah, too little too late for that, no matter how awesome he was

that's why it was funny

[Whitemoon648]

I was hoping someone else would mention this. Considering how adept he is at figuring out the Tomogara's evil plans you'd think he would have thought up a better way to warn Tanaka.

What better would there be to warn him without letting Zarovi realizing he is doing so? Yuji didnt want Him to figure it out. So yeah What other way would be?


P.S. If you have think about it, then please dont post it( you could if you want i guess) . Because we are talking about when you have to instantly without preparation from before for such situation. So if you can come up with another way that he could warn him without Zarovi figure it out within 10 sec, then please do enlight us.

[Zippicus]

I went through nearly two seasons of him being this oblivious harem male, and now in 20 minute he becomes an actual worthwhile, meaningful POINT to the plot?

naaah, too little too late for that, no matter how awesome he was

that's why it was funny

He's been training to fight alongside Shana since very early in the first season. He's been slowly getting stronger as the story has gone on. It's not like he went from zero to hero in one episode or anything.

I can't say I agree with the harem lead thing either, theres a little more to his life than "Which girl should I go out with". Although they did play that aspect up quite a bit in the early part of season 2.

[KholdStare]

Now that is what I consider a damn good episode. 9/10

The only reason I'm rating this a 9 is because I'm saving up the 10 for what I think I will rate for the latter episodes. Except for the episodes of CCS I'm rewatching, this is by far the best episode I've seen in any recent anime. Hand to hand combat for the win. While I agree that it's kinda late for Yuji to be acting cool that it might not be worth it, but him snapping someone's neck with his bare hands just made it worth it.

[grey_moon]

He's been training to fight alongside Shana since very early in the first season. He's been slowly getting stronger as the story has gone on. It's not like he went from zero to hero in one episode or anything.

I can't say I agree with the harem lead thing either, theres a little more to his life than "Which girl should I go out with". Although they did play that aspect up quite a bit in the early part of season 2.

You can pump iron 24/7 it won't help you with reading people's body language. You can go on training such a NLP to improve it, you can be born with it, or you can magically suddenly regain it after losing it from S1 Yuji style :heh:

[Master Chibi]

He's been training to fight alongside Shana since very early in the first season. He's been slowly getting stronger as the story has gone on. It's not like he went from zero to hero in one episode or anything.

I can't say I agree with the harem lead thing either, theres a little more to his life than "Which girl should I go out with". Although they did play that aspect up quite a bit in the early part of season 2.

Good for you, coming up with valid reasons and all.

You keep running with that, I'm going to keep laughing at Yuji choking people to death.

:eyespin:

(And no, I'm not belitting you ;p).

[grey_moon]

You keep running with that, I'm going to keep laughing at Yuji choking people to death.

:eyespin:

(And no, I'm not belitting you ;p).

Heh the normal pattern is long range weapons, run out of ammo or the enemy gets too close. Then pull sword out of arse and hack away until disarmed or forced to use as throwing weapon then use bare fists.

For Yuji he starts off all good by flaming the crap out of a couple of them. Then after that straight to the bare handed crunch their throat time. If I was Shana and I saw that I would be in despair. I would be shouting "what happened to all that sword training?". Then once he does pull out his sword he lobs it :heh:

[Master Chibi]

I know, right?

I mean he got SO angry at this guy he just choked him?

YUJI, of all people, choked this guy.

Wow, WHY SO SERIOUS?

[way2slow]

this episode made me lol when Yuji went berserk with his yell.
i was also thinking "Did I just see some panties?" hah.

[teachopvutru]

i was also thinking "Did I just see some panties?" hah.

According to Kinny Riddle, then yes, there are. I would be pretty surprise if you had spotted them in episode 13 though... which most didn't (including me). I don't remember who spotted them panty shots in episode 13.

[Zippicus]

Good for you, coming up with valid reasons and all.

You keep running with that, I'm going to keep laughing at Yuji choking people to death.

:eyespin:

(And no, I'm not belitting you ;p).

That's fine, I don't feel belittled :p

But I do have to agree with this guy...

Got to say, I don't understand your sense of humor at all... :heh:

[Master Chibi]

It's more like I'm laughing at the attempt to make him worthwhile then the actual actions really.

I guess you could say I'm laughing at the show, instead of just Yuji.

[Owaranai Destiny]

I'm not too sure if I had ever mention which episode seems to be the best in this season, but this one definitely topped it all so far.

Episode 19 Thoughts:

-For those who got down to figuring out that Yuji was actually lying to himself, Bingo! It was indeed this incident as well as his own attitude that he figured out that it wasn't that he couldn't leave the city because of his lack of resolve in helping Shana or even fighting alongside; Yuji simply did not WANT to leave the city.

I don't quite understand why people can't believe that the Yuji in this episode could be the same one 18 episodes and one season ago. People change, and especially so for his case, where he was thrusted right into the world of the Tomogara after meeting all sorts of characters from there. There have been lots of development for him; plenty of battles, ordeals even that shaped his character up to what he is currently. The display of "ruthlessness" and strength from him here is simply waiting to show itself.

While Yuji was able to manifest his flame with surprising ease and throw it with astonishing accuracy as compared to the previous episode, it was pretty cool to see him all bad-ass and raring to go. Zarovee was an appropriate first opponent for him, since that interesting fellow was extremely weak with a small power of existence. I believe, though, that Yuji's real power lies in his ability to analyse things, and up till now I'm still confounded as to why he would consider Ike doing himself a disservice by attending the same, supposedly ordinary high school as he did. :heh: (Note that even Wilhelmina asked him with little hesitation as to what HIS analysis of the situation is without even checking it out herself first. Shows how much he has grown not only to the viewers, but also to the personalities around him who all had some trouble accepting the possibility that Yuji could be of such great assistance.)

Also, considering how he managed to devise an action plan to grab the attention of Tanaka and Ogata whom he spotted without having Zarovee discover what he was really up to as well as trying to figure out what Zarovee was up to...It's a quality he has displayed at the very start of the anime itself, when he and Shana were in deep shit in the Friagne arc and the Sorath-Tiriel arc. As for the crushing of the neck...Wow, man. I was shocked for a moment, but thinking about it, it was in line with his desire to protect the city from 'things' like Zarovee.

-Kudos to Tanaka for making up his mind after seeing a friend in danger, whatever it was. I assume, though, that the barrier for his negative thoughts came in the form of Ogata grabbing his hand, seeing as the action itself might have actually gave him some semblance of calm instead of mindlessly panicking over the possibilities that might happen if he gets involved again. Another reason could be the fact that there was literally no one else in the vicinity that would know the real meaning behind Yuji's screaming. Margery's understanding does put Tanaka in an even worse light, though. It was as though he worried over nothing regarding his 'departure' from her side. :heh:

-For the humor, Wilhelmina and Alastor didn't disappoint.

Chigusa: "I can taste that it will work." :heh:

Wilhelmina: "Snapping turtle, pit viper, garlic...."

Alastor: "Won't that worsen the condition..?"


:heh: :heh: :heh:

Frankly speaking, the transition between such scenes and those where the tension seemed higher could have been awkward, but it felt as though it went smoothly, even more so because literally no one in the Sakai house knew what the hell was going on with him until Margery gave them a ring.

-The only REAL gripe I had was how it ended. I suspected that it might have been Bifron's real intention to actually call out to Sabrac in some way, or it could be that the dude himself finally found the Reiji Maigo. Either way, the appearance of the 'Rose colored' flames were a little too abrupt. Even adding in the basic "What the hell is that?!?" from one of the characters or show us a close up of a shocked look from Wilhelmina might serve to make the next episode tentatively juicier.

The preview sounds and looks really good. Considering how Season 1 really got into the groove for action in the last quarter, I'm really looking forward to this.

[Tendou88]

nice episode

Yuji seems to be very strong atm

[Deathscyther]

Great episode. One of the best of the series =)

I don't quite understand why people can't believe that the Yuji in this episode could be the same one 18 episodes and one season ago. People change, and especially so for his case, where he was thrusted right into the world of the Tomogara after meeting all sorts of characters from there. There have been lots of development for him; plenty of battles, ordeals even that shaped his character up to what he is currently. The display of "ruthlessness" and strength from him here is simply waiting to show itself.

I agree with this. I don't understand how some people can't believe his character development, while it has been nicely built up during the first and second season.

In every battle he learned something; during training with Shana/Wilhelmina/Margery he became stronger; and he always was good at analyzing the situation.

So I don't know why his character now should be so unbelievable. The neckbreaking was a surprise yeah, but I figure that's just because he was finally being honest to himself.


Chigusa: "I can taste that it will work." :heh:

Wilhelmina: "Snapping turtle, pit viper, garlic...."

Alastor: "Won't that worsen the condition..?"

Lol, this made me laugh too when I was watching it =P

I can't wait for the next episode. It's going to be good~

[Irenicus]

Welcome back, Sakai Yuuji S1! We missed your sharp senses and serious attitude. Where were you when the Oblivious Haremite was running around impersonating you, huh?

'bout time for the last arc to pick things up.

Though I do find it amusing how natural it seems to him to start breaking people's neck by hand. :heh:

Yuji seems to be very strong atm
I think the Tomogara he "necked" happens to be an exceedingly weak one, though.

Doesn't mean he isn't totally awesome now that he can throw fireballs, swing around that giant sword, do nifty things with his massive mana pool, and, apparently, finally get his senses back. :p

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I do notice some things though: it seems as if Shana is being slowly sidelined from the main role of the show. Honestly, it has always been about Yuuji, but Shana doesn't do much anymore except being infatuated with the Mystes and fly around with her katana not hitting anything too big. Next episode, hopefully, will have her do more of that action thing of hers.

Here's hoping that the sabrac dude is as good as he's touted to be.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Here's hoping that the sabrac dude is as good as he's touted to be.

You don't have to worry. Without using novel spoilers (stuff you can look into in the novel discussion thread), it was mentioned a few episodes ago that Wilhelmina was almost KILLED by Sabrac, and the preview sums it up with one word, so there shouldn't be too much cause for worry. ;)

[Kisuke06]

Even though that tomogara was probably weak, Yuji did a fine job IMO.

Good episode.

[Kiyoru]

Wow, Yuji kicked MAJOR ass in that episode. Wowwwwwwwwww.

I want episode 20 nao.

[greyhawk]

:D Lovely! Even with so few episodes left, Shakugan no Shana has definitely returned to its former glory. And I can't help looking forward to the end of this.
Anyway, you guys have pointed out pretty much everything I wanna say:heh: (sad truth)

[BigGimp77]

I don't get what is so sly about yelling "YOUR GOING TO TRAP THEM ALL" and screaming like an idiot in the middle of a crowded place, and then 2 seconds later being completely fine... I mean if you were the bad guy wouldn't that send like 5000 red flags?

The episode was mediocre untill Yuji broke the dude's next. That is by far the best scene in the entire Shana series...

That is untill, hopefully, we get a scene where Kazumi dies a brutal horrible death. (crossing my fingers on this one:rolleyes:)

[Kristen]

Well, the first part of this episode reminded me of death note, the second part of F/SN, and the third part of Shana S1.

In other words, this episode was all over the place, and I really didn't understand a lot of it. I guess that's what happens when you waste about half of the episodes for filler and then have lots and lots of plot to try and cover.

This episode gets a 9, since it was a fun episode, but it just shows me how much of a bind that JC Staff put themselves in. I believe this episode and the ending part of the last one could have been much more comprehensible had they made it two episodes instead of 1.2.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Well, the first part of this episode reminded me of death note, the second part of F/SN, and the third part of Shana S1.

In other words, this episode was all over the place, and I really didn't understand a lot of it. I guess that's what happens when you waste about half of the episodes for filler and then have lots and lots of plot to try and cover.

This episode gets a 9, since it was a fun episode, but it just shows me how much of a bind that JC Staff put themselves in. I believe this episode and the ending part of the last one could have been much more comprehensible had they made it two episodes instead of 1.2.

Agreed with the bind part, but having one or two episodes with Konoe isn't fillerish, IMO. Perhaps just enough time to have us see her interact more with the gang. Maybe the staff got a little too carried away. Maybe.

No offense, but I don't see what's so hard to understand, though. Is it the way the transition of scenes, perhaps?

@ BigGimp77: Methinks that Zarovee might actually be afraid of Yuji's POE and any possible ability to use it (though that would be offset by his duplicates) or he simply didn't want to dally and needed Yuji on the road without something funny happening that would delay him. Besides, what is he going to do about it? Eat everyone on the street? I'd like to see him try without dying.

And oh, please kindly put those fan-hate comments into some character discussion thread or general discussion thread. :)

[Kristen]

Agreed with the bind part, but having one or two episodes with Konoe isn't fillerish, IMO. Perhaps just enough time to have us see her interact more with the gang. Maybe the staff got a little too carried away. Maybe.

No offense, but I don't see what's so hard to understand, though. Is it the way the transition of scenes, perhaps?

1 or 2 of Konoe isn't fillerish. 9 is. :p. But, the first 1/2 of the season seemed like nothing but filler, and a couple from 13-19 do as well.

I think what's hard to understand is just because of the rapidfiring. I had the same problem with Death Note 37, FSN, and Da Capo. When information and plots are fired at a certain rate or faster, I just get confused. Like, I had difficulty understand Yuji's scream, and his sudden figuring out of the plan. You don't need to explain it, as I understand it now. It just was too confusing while watching it.

[Owaranai Destiny]

I think what's hard to understand is just because of the rapidfiring. I had the same problem with Death Note 37, FSN, and Da Capo. When information and plots are fired at a certain rate or faster, I just get confused. Like, I had difficulty understand Yuji's scream, and his sudden figuring out of the plan. You don't need to explain it, as I understand it now. It just was too confusing while watching it.

Well, something to make it a little better to understand, perhaps, is that his scream had a double purpose in the show.

(1) Considered as an 'action plan' to call out for help since he saw Tanaka.

(2) A plot device for Tanaka to get his act together, resolve any remaining issues he had with Margery and do whatever he feel he should and in his case, that would be get the hell away from whatever's going to happen. :heh: One thing I have to add, though, is that the resolution actually felt a little cheap, but if it goes in line with how Margery treats Tanaka in the first place...*shrug*

His figuring out of the plan was actually explained by himself, though. ;)

[Guido]

Rocking rain of fire before the thunderous storm.


It was a crisis for Tanaka to let slip before his eyes that Yuuji was calling out for help while trying to deceive himself he didn't want to return to that world.

At the end, it took him all his nerves to pull himself together and went with Ogata to Satou's place in order to inform Margery what he had seen.


The fact that Yuuji grown up dramatically not only in his fighting capability, but also in his analyzing prowess as well is testament to the improvements he managed to succeed with the training from the previous episode.

But not only that Yuuji realized he said all that stuff to both Shana and Kazumi as a bluff. He now stands on solid ground, that his motivations and loyalty lie in the birthplace of his memories and existence with his mother, Shana, Kazumi, plus all of his friends.

[Liddo-kun]

One of the better episodes since episode 15. :)

*votes an 8/10

[HayashiTakara]

Anyone else finding Shana, who despite being the hottest loli in existence, is acting so... I dunno adult? really attractive? lol, although i think a lot of people are missing the Tsundere Shana

[minhtam1638]

Anyone else finding Shana, who despite being the hottest loli in existence, is acting so... I dunno adult? really attractive? lol, although i think a lot of people are missing the Tsundere Shana

I think I've got used to seeing the matured Shana too well that every time I think of "Urusai, urusai, urusai", I think of Rozen Maiden's Suiseiseki saying it with ~desu attached to each urusai. The change in Shana's character over 48 episodes is impressive, considering how Shana developed her social interaction and understanding of our world. Personally, I prefer this version of Shana rather than Season 1's version.

And although I did find the Fumina arcs annoying, I think J.C. Staff really turned around from the Zero no Tsukaima II blunder. It's as if they learned from their own mistakes and capitalizing it, although it may seem as if they may make new ones as the season progresses to its resolution.

[Toreno]

I think I've got used to seeing the matured Shana too well that every time I think of "Urusai, urusai, urusai", I think of Rozen Maiden's Suiseiseki saying it with ~desu attached to each urusai. The change in Shana's character over 48 episodes is impressive, considering how Shana developed her social interaction and understanding of our world. Personally, I prefer this version of Shana rather than Season 1's version.


I second that. I love how she's acting lately.

(Shana switched to Deredere mode. :heh: )

[Dark Wing]

I think I've got used to seeing the matured Shana too well that every time I think of "Urusai, urusai, urusai", I think of Rozen Maiden's Suiseiseki saying it with ~desu attached to each urusai. The change in Shana's character over 48 episodes is impressive, considering how Shana developed her social interaction and understanding of our world. Personally, I prefer this version of Shana rather than Season 1's version.

And although I did find the Fumina arcs annoying, I think J.C. Staff really turned around from the Zero no Tsukaima II blunder. It's as if they learned from their own mistakes and capitalizing it, although it may seem as if they may make new ones as the season progresses to its resolution.

Personally I'm hoping they will continue with this thread and adapt the rest of the novels to that caliber...:heh:

Off Topic: I hoping they learned epically since they are making Zero no Tsukaima III.:eyebrow:

[Forbin]

BTW I didn't read all the messages but what ever happened to the person who can make Yuji go into a dream state?

[dave55man]

BTW I didn't read all the messages but what ever happened to the person who can make Yuji go into a dream state?

They killed her in the second or first episode... she was short lived :P

[KaneDragon]

They killed her in the second or first episode... she was short lived :P
That character annoyed me. Your Mind Makes It Real + summon whatever enemies you want = global hax. Only The Power Of Love kept them from getting completely screwed. ;)

Also, it was a clown. Die evil clown die!

[dave55man]

That character annoyed me. Your Mind Makes It Real + infinite respawn = global hax. Only The Power Of Love kept them from getting completely screwed. ;)

Also, it was a clown. Die evil clown die!

It was only a poor mystes that was being used :(

[Kristen]

By the way, there was far too little Kazumi in this episode... Just flashbacks. :(

[teachopvutru]

By the way, there was far too little Kazumi in this episode... Just flashbacks. :(

This post makes me thinking J.C.Staff probably won't be able to satisfy everyone, seeing how many people tend to scream at the Kazuminess in the previous episodes... :heh:

[Sinestra]

Im a little late but ill comment anyhow. Not a bad episode Yuuji actually impressed me quite a bit. His senses were sharp he did panic and absorbed every detail of information to make informative and accurate decisions. I was also impressed at how he did not hesitate to put down baddies. I think the old Yuuji would have hesitated opening him up for an attack or even capture. There is no room for hesitation on the road he is walking. He has finally faced the fact that hard choices lay ahead for him and he needs to be tough in order to make them but not sacrifice who he is to do so. IMO Yuuji finally remembered what he had decided to bare the unbareable and why he chose to fight instead of running and hiding. The city he lives in the city he loves and the people he cares about all live there and thats what he swore to protect. I never agreed with Yuuji and Shana running away because its obvious that the city is important. I think Yuuji will fight harder if hes protecting that which he holds dear. Tanaka still annoyed me a bit but im over him now i dont even really consider him part of the story anymore he made his choice.

Next weak it looks like we have a real fight on our hands as a very special powerful entity shows up. Willa. Shana, and Yuuji are going to have their hands full im not sure they are ready to face him yet hopefully no deaths next week at least not yet.

off topic the OP finally grew on me even though i still prefer the original OP and ED.

[teelotes]

This post makes me thinking J.C.Staff probably won't be able to satisfy everyone, seeing how many people tend to scream at the Kazuminess in the previous episodes... :heh:

They should make Kazumi turn evil, that way, she'll get screen time (loads of it), but without the attitude that many hated.

[ashlay]

They should make Kazumi turn evil, that way, she'll get screen time (loads of it), but without the attitude that many hated.
and they called it Shakugan no Shana-tan. :heh:

[HayashiTakara]

I like how Carmel notices how useful Yuji is as a partner, it bodes good things.

[Rhyel]

Good episode, the next: Rose Hair War... :D

[Kristen]

This post makes me thinking J.C.Staff probably won't be able to satisfy everyone, seeing how many people tend to scream at the Kazuminess in the previous episodes... :heh:

Kazumi fans exist. We just tend to be outnumbered, so people don't hear us. :p

[KaneDragon]

I wonder if Margery's going to continue sitting on her ass in the next episode, too. :p I heard her explanation, but I still find it a little odd that she never moved even at the very end.

"IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER!"
"Think we should do anything about that?"
"Nah."

:p

[HayashiTakara]

The less we see of Kazumi the more happy I become... but I know she's gonna rear her annoying head into the series again soon enough... >_>

[KaneDragon]

The less we see of Kazumi the more happy I become... but I know she's gonna rear her annoying head into the series again soon enough... >_>
She needs more pants+no-shirt time to balance it all out. :D

Where is she nowadays, anyway? The appearance of Sabrac would be a good time to emo over using the cross to sacrifice herself for Shana x Yuji. ^^

And "Destructive Blade Sabrac" is pretty badass-looking. I know he's been in the OP all this time, but seeing the preview, I just felt it needed to be said again. :)

[Owaranai Destiny]

I wonder if Margery's going to continue sitting on her ass in the next episode, too. :p I heard her explanation, but I still find it a little odd that she never moved even at the very end.

"IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER!"
"Think we should do anything about that?"
"Nah."

:p

Doubt it, considering the next opponent is Sabrac. It would benefit her as much as Wilhelmina, Shana and Yuji since the Silver flame is still with Yuji, and making sure he doesn't die should be near the top of her priorities.

[KaneDragon]

Doubt it, considering the next opponent is Sabrac. It would benefit her as much as Wilhelmina, Shana and Yuji since the Silver flame is still with Yuji, and making sure he doesn't die should be near the top of her priorities.
That was sarcasm. I was just making light of how she never did anything. :cool:

[HayashiTakara]

Kazumi needs to do a seductive naked dance in front of Sabrec to distract him with Massive nosebleeds while the other 3 destroys him.

[Owaranai Destiny]

I suppose she deserves your sarcasm. :heh: For Margery, most of it seems to go according to her own whims and benefits, because up to where the Silver flame emerged, Margery wasn't directly involved in most of the bust-ups Shana and Yuji have been through from Season 1 up till this episode.

[Gotank]

Wohoo! Atleast now he can throw fireballs at people. Seems like the change was pretty drastic though. Anyone remember like 3 episodes ago when he was still screaming every time there was a fight? =)

[HayashiTakara]

Yuji's Fire Balls are epic, he literally laid to waste the who area he was fighting in, by throwing only 2 fire balls.

I know we gonna see Yuji attempt to do some sword fighting action against Sabrec, although... he will obviously lose, as it'll be his first real sword fight, let alone against one of the most powerful Tomogaras in the Shanaverse.

[Kristen]

She needs more pants+no-shirt time to balance it all out. :D

Where is she nowadays, anyway? The appearance of Sabrac would be a good time to emo over using the cross to sacrifice herself for Shana x Yuji. ^^

And "Destructive Blade Sabrac" is pretty badass-looking. I know he's been in the OP all this time, but seeing the preview, I just felt it needed to be said again. :)

*Still hopes Kazumi will become eternal and beat out Shana*

Maybe Pheles will come, take her power of existance, and give her a companion Reiji Maigo? *Hopes*


After a lot of thought, I kind of realized that Shana really is on the border of being a tsundere, instead of being a full out one. She's just too whiny to be one, at least to me... That's part of the reason why I like Kazumi more.

[HayashiTakara]

Sorry Chrissie, its not going to happen, Its called Shakugan no Shana, not Shakugan no Kazumi

[Kristen]

Sorry Chrissie, its not going to happen, Its called Shakugan no Shana, not Shakugan no Kazumi

Just like Shakespeare's Juliet Caesar is named "Juliet Caesar". :p

Titles are meaningless. Kazumi can easily win. It just means that Shana is the title character, so if/when she dies/gives up and Kazumi marries Yuji, the series ends.

[Owaranai Destiny]

*Still hopes Kazumi will become eternal and beat out Shana*

Maybe Pheles will come, take her power of existance, and give her a companion Reiji Maigo? *Hopes*


After a lot of thought, I kind of realized that Shana really is on the border of being a tsundere, instead of being a full out one. She's just too whiny to be one, at least to me... That's part of the reason why I like Kazumi more.

Hey, you're an author, man! What are you waiting for? :D

For dreamers like you (and me, though not in the SnS world), it's better to put pen to paper and write out something which you desire, especially when you know certain forums and users are always bound to do senseless bashing for certain characters.

Shana, whiny? I don't quite understand. Which part of her has been whiny to the extent where it actually overshadows her tsundere-ness mostly shown in Season 1?

[Kristen]

Hey, you're an author, man! What are you waiting for? :D

For dreamers like you (and me, though not in the SnS world), it's better to put pen to paper and write out something which you desire, especially when you know certain forums and users are always bound to do senseless bashing for certain characters.

Shana, whiny? I don't quite understand. Which part of her has been whiny to the extent where it actually overshadows her tsundere-ness mostly shown in Season 1?

LOL. I've been waiting for Shana to end to write my own fan ending to it. :heh:
It's also a matter of time. I'm presently too busy with the visual novel I'm working on to get to it.


Shana in this episode wasn't really whiny. But, it's just the impression I've gotten of her since the beginning, even in season one. From "Urusai! Urusai! Urusai!" to her showdown with Kazumi during the twins arc, to her emo-ness early this season, she's always seemed to be more of a whiny character than a tsundere character. Maybe it's just that I think of tsundere as like Tohsaka Rin or Nanase Rumi instead, but Shana never even appeared in my mind as a tsundere until somebody told me she was like two weeks ago...

[HayashiTakara]

Sorry, Kazumi will sooner spontaneously explode before she replaces what Shana is too Yuji. Yuji only has Shana in his eyes, and its foolish to argue otherwise.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Sorry, Kazumi will sooner spontaneously explode before she replaces what Shana is too Yuji. Yuji only has Shana in his eyes, and its foolish to argue otherwise.

Yeah the Anime may have done a bad job of showing it, but in the Novels, Yuji's been attracted to Shana from the first Novel. Also the author of the Novels said that Shakugan no Shana was Simply a Story of a boy, and a Girl (Yuji, and Shana) so it's impossible for Kazumi to win Yuji in anyplace other than fanfics.

[Kristen]

Sorry, Kazumi will sooner spontaneously explode before she replaces what Shana is too Yuji. Yuji only has Shana in his eyes, and its foolish to argue otherwise.

From the anime, I really am seeing otherwise. Towards the end of season one where Kazumi confesses her love for Yuji in the rain, I definately saw the bond between them. But I've never seen any outwardly love of Yuji towards Shana. Just the other way around.

Besides, the novels aren't finished yet, so it is impossible to say that Yuji is bound for Shana regardless. Who knows? The author may change his mind, or may have been planning it all along.

Anyways, this is deviating for episode 19, so I'll discuss this in the speculations thread from now on.

[grey_moon]

Next weak it looks like we have a real fight on our hands as a very special powerful entity shows up. Willa. Shana, and Yuuji are going to have their hands full im not sure they are ready to face him yet hopefully no deaths next week at least not yet.


If Yuji gets his hands on it, expect to hear some crunching :D

Yeah the Anime may have done a bad job of showing it, but in the Novels, Yuji's been attracted to Shana from the first Novel. Also the author of the Novels said that Shakugan no Shana was Simply a Story of a boy, and a Girl (Yuji, and Shana) so it's impossible for Kazumi to win Yuji in anyplace other than fanfics.

I've not read the novels so this is just a blind guess. I'm wondering if Pheles isn't testing Yoshida? If she is willing to sacrifice herself for Yuji could Pheles give up her form Alastor style and Yoshida be her flame haze. She would be close to her lover if Yuji and Yoshida get together and they would be kinda in the same state.

[DeotoxSlayer]

From the anime, I really am seeing otherwise. Towards the end of season one where Kazumi confesses her love for Yuji in the rain, I definately saw the bond between them. But I've never seen any outwardly love of Yuji towards Shana. Just the other way around.

Besides, the novels aren't finished yet, so it is impossible to say that Yuji is bound for Shana regardless. Who knows? The author may change his mind, or may have been planning it all along.

Anyways, this is deviating for episode 19, so I'll discuss this in the speculations thread from now on.

erm...concidering what happened in the latest Novel it's completly impossible for Kazumi to win no matter what happens.

[Aquifina]

From the anime, I really am seeing otherwise. Towards the end of season one where Kazumi confesses her love for Yuji in the rain, I definately saw the bond between them. But I've never seen any outwardly love of Yuji towards Shana. Just the other way around.



Off the top of my head...

1. Yuji's obvious disappointment when Shana takes back the confession from the end of S1 (one of Shana's more spectacular screw-ups)

2. Yuji figuring out that Shana had skipped out on training to make his bento, and his obvious happiness at receiving it (before he realized it was five melonpans)--compare this with him thinking about refusing Kazumi's bento, until Ike convinces him otherwise

3. Yuji so obviously wanting that kiss during the twins arc

4. Yuji thinking about Shana's face right after the sleeping together ep. in S1

5. Yuji's promise to always be with Shana during the early conflicts over training

All that being said, I do think Yuji's fond of Kazumi; but he really does only have eyes for Shana.

[X207]

nice to see yuji get his first kill(s). the fireballs were cool, breaking the neck was just brutal :D. im not the one to watch naruto but sabrac from the ep 20 preview remids me of one of the naruto characters, or was it final fantasy :confused:

[bongky]

Can anyone please tell me where could I download the second season of Shakugan no Shana? I am really quite desperate to watch it as it is quite awesome and the plot is just exaggerating.

[suguru]

Wow...I never thought I'd use Yuuji and gar in the same sentence, but he was one gar Tomogara ass-kicking machine in this episode. :D It's good to see he's starting to acquire his own powers to have a more active role in fighting--I'm trying to keep my expectations for the next few episodes low though, since with the novels still running I'm guessing the odds of a real conclusion (ending the story and the war with the Guze no Tomogara) are pretty slim.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Off the top of my head...

1. Yuji's obvious disappointment when Shana takes back the confession from the end of S1 (one of Shana's more spectacular screw-ups)

2. Yuji figuring out that Shana had skipped out on training to make his bento, and his obvious happiness at receiving it (before he realized it was five melonpans)--compare this with him thinking about refusing Kazumi's bento, until Ike convinces him otherwise

3. Yuji so obviously wanting that kiss during the twins arc

4. Yuji thinking about Shana's face right after the sleeping together ep. in S1

5. Yuji's promise to always be with Shana during the early conflicts over training

All that being said, I do think Yuji's fond of Kazumi; but he really does only have eyes for Shana.

Cookie for you. :)

From the top of my head, those examples reminded me of the possible evidences shown in the anime about his possible feelings towards Shana, only that he might not have truly discerned it to be of romantic nature.

Considering what has been happening, I wasn't surprised that any 'romantic development' between the two hasn't been too obvious (go condemn Pheles for that, too). The closest thing to having Yuji even 'confess' in a way is his repeated declaration of knowing that he will be leaving the city together with Shana.

Shana in this episode wasn't really whiny. But, it's just the impression I've gotten of her since the beginning, even in season one. From "Urusai! Urusai! Urusai!" to her showdown with Kazumi during the twins arc, to her emo-ness early this season, she's always seemed to be more of a whiny character than a tsundere character. Maybe it's just that I think of tsundere as like Tohsaka Rin or Nanase Rumi instead, but Shana never even appeared in my mind as a tsundere until somebody told me she was like two weeks ago...

You see, there's a difference between being 'bratty and somewhat socially inept' and 'whiny'. In season 1, Shana was simply acting like that because she had been raised in an environment where the emphasis for her was to be trained as a Flame Haze and not much else (and Wilhelmina as well as Alastor accepted the fact that they had overlooked this aspect to be an important part of nurturing her). Her dialogue from before she began interacting with Yuji more was a piece of evidence and compared to other Flame Hazes like Wilhelmina, Margery or Khamsin, Shana had infinitely less experience interacting with people, and a Mystes at that.

[Irenicus]

What is this blasphemy about Yoshida Kazumi challenging the destined couple? :mad:

:P

Can anyone please tell me where could I download the second season of Shakugan no Shana? I am really quite desperate to watch it as it is quite awesome and the plot is just exaggerating.
Umm...isn't it listed, like, on the front page of this very website?

But anyway, just to be helpful (http://animesuki.com/series.php/1093.html).

[Kristen]

erm...concidering what happened in the latest Novel it's completly impossible for Kazumi to win no matter what happens.

Please don't spoil it... That little piece of information kind of made my interest in the series drop by half.


Owaranai Destiny: The together with Shana thing makes me wonder, does he want to leave with her because he likes her, or because he'd be easily captured by a Tomogara, and needs someone to defend him?


*Sigh* Guess I'll go write that fanfic. :)

[Owaranai Destiny]

Owaranai Destiny: The together with Shana thing makes me wonder, does he want to leave with her because he likes her, or because he'd be easily captured by a Tomogara, and needs someone to defend him?

If you piece the information Aquifina has mentioned and piece it together with Yuji's resolve in this episode, you have your answer.

Yuji definitely needs someone to protect him, but Season 1 has already done the job of convincing me that he actually WANTS to go with Shana and away from the city. The previous episode and this one simply reiterated his choice to remind us of his decision.

*Sigh* Guess I'll go write that fanfic. :)

Off-topic: I might be starting one too, with original characters, maybe. :D

[minhtam1638]

Shana in this episode wasn't really whiny. But, it's just the impression I've gotten of her since the beginning, even in season one. From "Urusai! Urusai! Urusai!" to her showdown with Kazumi during the twins arc, to her emo-ness early this season, she's always seemed to be more of a whiny character than a tsundere character. Maybe it's just that I think of tsundere as like Tohsaka Rin or Nanase Rumi instead, but Shana never even appeared in my mind as a tsundere until somebody told me she was like two weeks ago...

Want to become a two time Saimoe winner like me ~desu? Well, unless you're either a tsundere, a girl with long-hair, or a Kyoto Animation drawing, it's never going to happen ~desu. If I were you, I'd just cosplay and hope I get lucky ~desu.

Okay, now that I got that out of my system...

Exactly how did it not cross your mind that Shana was a tsundere to begin with? If you think about it, Season 1 was all about feelings that many tsunderes felt- a feeling of love and not willing to admit it. Heck, the first 24 episodes onward were pretty much full of that, all the way to Shana's last Urusai x3 combo. Unless your definition of tsundere is different than the average norm, that's just not understandable. I mean, look at Shana's parallel counterpart Louise Francoise - both of them are similar, and I'm not even talking about seiyuus in this case.

Cookie for you. :)

From the top of my head, those examples reminded me of the possible evidences shown in the anime about his possible feelings towards Shana, only that he might not have truly discerned it to be of romantic nature.

Considering what has been happening, I wasn't surprised that any 'romantic development' between the two hasn't been too obvious (go condemn Pheles for that, too). The closest thing to having Yuji even 'confess' in a way is his repeated declaration of knowing that he will be leaving the city together with Shana..

Well, if you remember from Episode 18, Shana did say that Yuji was lying to himself about leaving the city. This episode confirmed that, at least in terms of leaving the city, but it can apply to everything else. Does Yuji love Shana? Yes, but while Shana directly admits the opposite, Yuji discards it and tries to find another reason. I think both of them are using the avoidance principle, since both (well, just Yuji, now that Shana admitted it to herself) aren't ready to admit that they are in love.

Cookie to whoever figures out the Desu Doll commercial reference. (Hint: has nothing to do with anime)

[Owaranai Destiny]

I mean, look at Shana's parallel counterpart Louise Francoise - both of them are similar, and I'm not even talking about seiyuus in this case.

-Violent tendencies towards love interest? Check.
-Unwilling to admit their own feelings at the beginning, yet boil over with jealousy (resulting in some bad injury to love interest at times)? Check.
-Going all dere-dere when love interest does something for them? Check.

Why, they are quite similar in most areas. :D

I think both of them are using the avoidance principle, since both (well, just Yuji, now that Shana admitted it to herself) aren't ready to admit that they are in love.

That's a little strange if you make an immediate comparison to the School Festival in which Shana actually wanted to confess to him in front of the whole school several episodes ago. :heh: I assume that Shana might not actually be avoiding altogether, but things are simply made complicated by the appearance of Pheles, the Silver, Balle Masque's unknown intentions and Yuji with a new attitude of resolution.

[HayashiTakara]

Except that Louise remains violent, while Shana actually matures. Shana > Louise.

[FlareKnight]

Well who knows. With the appearance of Sabrac this may be Kazumi's shot to go down in a blaze of glory. Pheles showing up to go up against Sabrac with the rest could fit. Not that I'm looking for the chance for Kazumi to go down or anything. At least it was just a flashback this episode and not her repeating lines about wanting to be where Yuji is.

Still nice to have a smart and competent Yuji back. Showing his reasoning abilities and spending quite a bit of time trying to figure out what the plan was. Had thought we'd hear the last crazed scream from Yuji but :heh:. Oh well at least it had a purpose this time. Quite the scene though with him taking down the Tomogara and even breaking the guy's neck.

Though know the situation is hardly safe with a major opponent showing up.

[Mai Kawasumi]

Sorry, Kazumi will sooner spontaneously explode before she replaces what Shana is too Yuji. Yuji only has Shana in his eyes, and its foolish to argue otherwise.

Well I'm a Shana fan but I don't dislike Kazumi and I don't want her dead :(

Mai: "Hey Kazumi there's a guy that, well, is crazy about you, he loves you so much, he's very intelligent and kind, and you know what?... HE IS NOT DEAD! :heh: is human like you! you should watch who is around you more"

[Kristen]

If you piece the information Aquifina has mentioned and piece it together with Yuji's resolve in this episode, you have your answer.

Yuji definitely needs someone to protect him, but Season 1 has already done the job of convincing me that he actually WANTS to go with Shana and away from the city. The previous episode and this one simply reiterated his choice to remind us of his decision.



Off-topic: I might be starting one too, with original characters, maybe. :D

How Shakugan no Shana Should End (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1428985&postcount=24)

Not my best writing style, since I'm bad at action series. Plus I had to write it in 2,500 words or less, or it would be too long to read in an easy shot. So, it may be jumpy or something. But, that's a plot. :p


Owaranai Destiny: As I said, compared to Tsundere's I have seen (Tohsaka Rin, Fujibiyashi Kyou, Nanase Rumi, etc), Shana just doesn't seem to fit. She's different from them in many ways, as I've seen.

[DeotoxSlayer]

How Shakugan no Shana Should End (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1428985&postcount=24)

Not my best writing style, since I'm bad at action series. Plus I had to write it in 2,500 words or less, or it would be too long to read in an easy shot. So, it may be jumpy or something. But, that's a plot. :p


Owaranai Destiny: As I said, compared to Tsundere's I have seen (Tohsaka Rin, Fujibiyashi Kyou, Nanase Rumi, etc), Shana just doesn't seem to fit. She's different from them in many ways, as I've seen.

Good thing you didn't put that up on fanfiction.net the people there would've flamed you like hell.

Your writing styles good, though it's pretty obvious you took your imagination pretty far, since something like that happeneing's pretty impossible. I mean Shana, and Kazumi are apparently friends, so I don't think she would've said what she said in the fic.

[CapoExecutor]

Good thing you didn't put that up on fanfiction.net the people there would've flamed you like hell.

Your writing styles good, though it's pretty obvious you took your imagination pretty far, since something like that happeneing's pretty impossible. I mean Shana, and Kazumi are apparently friends, so I don't think she would've said what she said in the fic.

For ChrissieXD's fanfiction, I think the only thing worth criticizing would be the continuity being inconsistent and the OOC factor.

Of course, the Shakugan no Shana section only has 32 fics so far.


Anyways, why the heck does Wilhelmina make those funny sounds while making that soup?

[Kristen]

Good thing you didn't put that up on fanfiction.net the people there would've flamed you like hell.

Your writing styles good, though it's pretty obvious you took your imagination pretty far, since something like that happeneing's pretty impossible. I mean Shana, and Kazumi are apparently friends, so I don't think she would've said what she said in the fic.

fanfiction.net... That would be a good idea. Thanks! :)


Also, I really don't want Wilhelmina's soup... Too sick...

[Anh_Minh]

Please don't spoil it... That little piece of information kind of made my interest in the series drop by half.


Owaranai Destiny: The together with Shana thing makes me wonder, does he want to leave with her because he likes her, or because he'd be easily captured by a Tomogara, and needs someone to defend him?


*Sigh* Guess I'll go write that fanfic. :)

Could be he just doesn't want to be alone, too. He'd be leaving the only life he's ever known. That'd be hard enough.

[Yaoi_Daisuki]

wow this is the first time i see a panty shot in shana!

[KaneDragon]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7460/27944266ed1.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27944266ed1.jpg)
Sabrac is probably thinking "It's about time!" He's been sitting on his heels all day, just because nothing short of a purple nuke is fabulous enough an entrance for him. :p And I respect that. :D

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Holy shit this episode was awesome. Where's the option for 11/10? :heh:

I will forever remember Yuuji's GARness when he crushed the neck of the Guze no Tomogara with his bare hands. That was just plain badass.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't know. For such a smart boy, that move made no sense to me. Why give him a chance to whip out a knife? Or for his buddies to do something? He should have used Blutsauger then, instead of waiting for the last guy.

[holyman282]

I don't know. For such a smart boy, that move made no sense to me. Why give him a chance to whip out a knife? Or for his buddies to do something? He should have used Blutsauger then, instead of waiting for the last guy.

I guess the director wanted a bit of variety in the way Yuji destroyed his opponent. I thought that the scene where Yuji killed those Jaeger was nicely done. It not only provided the nice action scenes but also told us a reflection of what Yuji is becoming. I mentioned in the ep 18 thread that Yuji is becoming less human and the way in which he choked that Tomogura to death was amazingly effective in conveying his change.

Yuji's analysis of the situation was amazing this ep, might even be on par with those of Lelouch from Code Geass or Light from Deathnote lol!

Great ep and we finally get to see Sabrac.

[Deathkillz]

It not only provided the nice action scenes but also told us a reflection of what Yuji is becoming.
Well, it "did" but that was until he started to scream like a girl again in this ep :rolleyes:

If he really is a man, he should whip out his sword to fight Sabrac even if he knows that he will lose.

[KaneDragon]

Well, it "did" but that was until he started to scream like a girl again in this ep :rolleyes:

If he really is a man, he should whip out his sword to fight Sabrac even if he knows that he will lose.

First thing that came to mind:

http://www.eviloverlord.com/jpgs/user-friendly.jpg

:p

[Owaranai Destiny]

Well, it "did" but that was until he started to scream like a girl again in this ep :rolleyes:

If he really is a man, he should whip out his sword to fight Sabrac even if he knows that he will lose.

That's not being a man; that's being a fool.

I think it also goes to show that he isn't totally ready for any OMG crap thrown his way, like Sabrac's arrival.

[Guardian Enzo]

Poor Yuji can't win. After two seasons of whining about him being a puss, he snaps an old dude's neck like a chicken and now we hear complaints that he used screaming to succesfully warn Tanaka and save the city? He needs to just give it up now.

[Toreno]

I think everyone here would start to scream if he/she's going to be killed by a badass looking bounty hunter on a killing spree. :D
I feel sorry for Yuji, he's trying so hard, but nobody respects him.

[Owaranai Destiny]

I think everyone here would start to scream if he/she's going to be killed by a badass looking bounty hunter on a killing spree. :D
I feel sorry for Yuji, he's trying so hard, but nobody respects him.

You have to understand. Lots of people here want to see a more kickass Yuji, were excited by the prospect of it from the previous episode, and then simply disappointed in him without looking more deeply into the reason why.

I mean, anyone in the same situation would have stayed calm and, thinking that he's big and bad now, attempt to strike at the deadly dude who just tried to kill you while even people stronger than you by perhaps several dozen times couldn't even scratch him. That's what I call real logic.

By the way, that's sarcasm.

[teelotes]

OT: These smilies seem to describe Zarovee soooo well -> :heh: -> :upset: -> :eek: -> [END]

[charizardpal]

Yuuji is so cool now. Rapidly pitching explosive silver orbs like baseballs, killing an old man without guilt or hesitation and not contemplating his actions afterwards. Heck he's already stronger than Shana! Analytical mind, he can do most of the stuff she can do, cast fireballs, carry a heavy blutzager with one hand, has an anti-flame ring, and can summon a fanatical allies (aka green-haired bimbo) and creatures from his stomache.

Check this out:
Shana: Yuji:
Katana Blutzager
fuzetsu fuzetsu
sword to cast fire throws fireballs! (Shana can't)
can spout wings + fly Not quite yet.
can block attacks w/ wings-cloak Not quite yet
can summon Alastor can summon 2: silver guy from stomache + Johan
Allied w/ Wilhemnia Fanatical Pheles as an ally. Friends w/ everyone
She has a cell-bookmark He's got an ANTI-flame ring!
Hot temper kills rational thought Analytical mind
Combat Experience Yuji throws swords away due to inexperience

Except for experience, the ability to fly, and a protective covering, Yuuji is already Shana's equal! And all of the stuff he can already do, he shows signs of soon being able to do better than Shana (gigantic sword vs puny katana, can throw fireball without relying on sword as an aid, can summon 2 monsters from stomache vs Shana's one Alastor.) Very soon I am sure he will surpass her.


Best part of this episode: no Kasumi
Worst part: Shana's shoes. Those brown leather shoes with the flat soles look uncomfortable, unsuitable for combat and are so ugly. Yuuji should buy her a pair of sneakers for her birthday. See her current shoe pics:
http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shanashoevlcsnap1059545pq9.png
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shanashoevlcsnap1061140lv0.png

[Deathscyther]

Well, Shana is still much stronger than Yuji. Zarovee was a very weak tomogara, that's why he was able to defeat him. Shana/Margery/Wilhelmina could probably still kill Yuji with one good attack. But yeah, he is getting strong.

[holyman282]

Except for experience, the ability to fly, and a protective covering, Yuuji is already Shana's equal! And all of the stuff he can already do, he shows signs of soon being able to do better than Shana (gigantic sword vs puny katana, can throw fireball without relying on sword as an aid, can summon 2 monsters from stomache vs Shana's one Alastor.) Very soon I am sure he will surpass her.

Err despite the size of Shana's sword, Blautsauger is far more inferior in terms of ability then shana's sword... Just because it's big and shiny doesn't mean it's better..

[KaneDragon]

Err despite the size of Shana's sword, Blautsauger is far more inferior in terms of ability then shana's sword... Just because it's big and shiny doesn't mean it's better..
I'm not going to even try to point out all the things that are wrong with char's post, not the least of which being Yuji "summoning monsters out of his stomach". :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[minhtam1638]

Err despite the size of Shana's sword, Blautsauger is far more inferior in terms of ability then shana's sword... Just because it's big and shiny doesn't mean it's better..

Quoted for truth. Big and shiny equals heavy and uncontrollable, which also means that the momentum for swinging an object with large mass is too much to handle. Edge for this one goes to Shana.

[Sterling01]

Actually considering Blautsauger's special ability and How much POE Yuji has. They're a more dangerous combination then Shana and her sword

[KaneDragon]

We're talking about swords that can turn into bookmarks and can't be lifted without spare PoE. I'm not sure how much momentum should be considered a factor. :p Anyway, what was Blautsauger(sp?)'s ability again?

[FlareKnight]

We're talking about swords that can turn into bookmarks and can't be lifted without spare PoE. I'm not sure how much momentum should be considered a factor. :p Anyway, what was Blautsauger(sp?)'s ability again?Think it was injuring the opponent when it came into contact with their weapon. Don't need to hit the main body of the opponent, if you come into contact with their sword/shield/whatever will be enough. Only real option against that is to dodge.

[teachopvutru]

Speaking of which... I don't really know what Shana's sword is capable of. Does it have any special ability?

[KaneDragon]

Speaking of which... I don't really know what Shana's sword is capable of. Does it have any special ability?
Wasn't it something about being able to effortlessly slice through PoE attacks and whatnot? And then there was Shana using it as a focus for her flame powers...

[minhtam1638]

Actually considering Blautsauger's special ability and How much POE Yuji has. They're a more dangerous combination then Shana and her sword

Power of Existence has nothing to do with the physics of momentum and gravity.

[holyman282]

I think Shana's sword bypasses unrestricted spells.. I've heard someone say that about Shana's sword. Can someone confirm?

[alvinkhorfire]

Maybe most of you all may disagree with my comment, but I feel the first part of this episode seems wasted. They should shorten it a bit and focus more on second part where Yuji fights Zarovee. If better, make the fight as exciting as in the OP. The actual fight leaves me quite disappointed judging from the great expectation of the fight in the OP where Yuji uses his Blusauger to attack five "clones" of Zarovee at once.

[taichi-kun]

Maybe most of you all may disagree with my comment, but I feel the first part of this episode seems wasted. They should shorten it a bit and focus more on second part where Yuji fights Zarovee. If better, make the fight as exciting as in the OP. The actual fight leaves me quite disappointed judging from the great expectation of the fight in the OP where Yuji uses his Blusauger to attack five "clones" of Zarovee at once.

hi

well I agree with you up to a point .

Its true that the best part of the episode is at the end , but some things that happened in the first half are also important .

im my opinion : this was a very good episode xD

[OkamiNoKaze]

Wow Great episode Yuji was awesome.

[OmniDragon]

Yuji defeated his first opponent though once he opened the fuzetsu Zarovee became quite scared.