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Klashikari
2008-02-27, 16:09
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Episode 19 will be broadcasted this 29th february at 1:55 AM (Japan Time Zone),
which means this 28th february at 4:55PM (GMT 00).
DJ_RockmanX
2008-02-27, 16:24
*deep sigh*
Finally.
Hopefully this break was just another training for a 13 break week before season 2. Please?
I'm going to like seeing this drama club start, at least if the preview wasn't lying. I do have to wonder who the members will be... Maybe Nagisa, Ryou, and Kotomi? That'd be fun.
Takuto19
2008-02-27, 17:01
Been looking forward to this, not so sure if this is the Nagisas arc or there's still going to be some Kyou/Tomoyo stuff going on, with 6 episodes left looking forward to see what they put in the remaining episodes, this one should give us a good idea on how it's gonna play out.
I was read there is an important soccer game at 21 feb
that is way they delay ep 19 to 28 feb
SidVicious
2008-02-27, 19:32
Finally i will see Nagisa again. :)
Shinigami_Mello
2008-02-27, 19:42
I cant wait to see where the story goes now.
I'm excited to see the Nagisa arc.
DJ_RockmanX
2008-02-27, 19:44
It's good to read positive posts on the Clannad forum again. :)
sikvod00
2008-02-27, 22:09
The drama club's first performance will be a love story starring Nagisa and Tomoya. I...er, the gods demand it!:frustrated:
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-27, 22:16
It's good to read positive posts on the Clannad forum again. :)
Quoted for truth.
RandomFlameStrike
2008-02-28, 00:23
Whew it's about time, I've been waiting all week for the next episode of Clannad and more Nagisa x Tomoya awesomness. The game is really good too but the Clannad anime offers something the game doesn't (Well the same applies to the game ). Just 1 1/2 more days to go before subs.
Hey sikvod00 is that true? I'm holding off on Nagisa's route untill the anime coveres it so I wouldn't know heh.
sikvod00
2008-02-28, 00:29
^ Na. It was just baseless speculation on my part. Trust me, if that was a part of Nagisa's route, I'd have the courtesy to put spoiler tags around it. :)
expo25kr
2008-02-28, 07:16
finally episode 19 is coming out. I am thinking hopefully that this ep they will somewhat finish up Ryou/Kyou or Tomoyo becuase they kinda left the ending hanging. As for Nagisas arc...well i expect great things from it. The only arc that i have not played on the game as of now.
astranagun
2008-02-28, 12:39
Episode is out...
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/02/28/clannad-19/
Klashikari
2008-02-28, 15:19
Usual stuff
Episode 19: Bullet summary (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/clannad-episode-19/)
A fairly nice episode to wrap up Tomoya's development. It is quite relieving to see that the major points progress accordingly to the source material, with some nice surprises (aside of the other characters presence, Nagisa's "aggressive" mode, Youhei + synthetizer, etc).
There is nothing much to say about as this episode will spark the later period of the first part of clannad.
panzerfan
2008-02-28, 16:19
And so, with some otakus' hearts filled with scabs, Clannad continues on.
This episode actually feels a bit different to prior episodes ambiance wise. The story changes direction and a different kind of interaction starts to surface. Furukawa and Okazaki's families are quite in contrast to each other, and KyoAni has works cut out within the remaining episodes to address what they can. Every other club members take backseats in this episode and perhaps in the next episode as well.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1752/120419903363315928d7cc6.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=120419903363315928d7cc6.jpg)
２１： 3/13 学園祭にむけて Options for School Festival
22： 3/20 影二つ Two shadows <Final Episode>
23: 3/27 夏休みなの出来事 Events of Summer break
Clannad's run will continue up till episode 22. There will be one omake scheduled after the run.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-28, 16:31
And so, with some otakus' hearts filled with scabs, Clannad continues on.
This episode actually feels a bit different to prior episodes ambiance wise. The story changes direction and a different kind of interaction starts to surface. Furukawa and Okazaki's families are quite in contrast to each other, and KyoAni has works cut out within the remaining episodes to address what they can. Every other club members take backseats in this episode and perhaps in the next episode as well.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1752/120419903363315928d7cc6.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=120419903363315928d7cc6.jpg)
２１： 学園祭にむけて Options for School Festival
22： 影二つ Two shadows
23: 夏休みなの出来事 Events of Summer break nano
Clannad's run will continue up till episode 22. There will be one omake scheduled after the run.
Wait what?
I thought it was scheduled for 24 episodes?
...
I just wish they'd give us what they're working on next.
DJ_RockmanX
2008-02-28, 17:40
The Piano version of Nagisa's theme was a soothing thing to listen to.
Shinigami_Mello
2008-02-28, 18:10
It's taking all I have to not look at the pictures. Ugh...
And 22 episodes?! That's really.... It was supposed to be 24 no? How would they end it with so few episodes?
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-28, 18:15
It's taking all I have to not look at the pictures. Ugh...
And 22 episodes?! That's really.... It was supposed to be 24 no? How would they end it with so few episodes?
Terribly?
I'm starting to think that KyoAni has no idea what they're doing anymore...
DJ_RockmanX
2008-02-28, 18:17
Terribly?
I'm starting to think that KyoAni has no idea what they're doing anymore...
Oh ye of little faith. :heh:
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-28, 18:20
Oh ye of little faith. :heh:
I think that two years of no Haruhi and Lucky Star instead kinda proves they don't know what they're doing...
But that's just me.
Hopefully this means we'll see a second season of Clannad...
Nagisa was cuter but not enough so.
Thank you Sunohara for carrying the episode.
Shinigami_Mello
2008-02-28, 18:31
24 was already way to little for the show to properly end, but 22 really is horrible...I dont see how this'll work out.
I hope that means more Clannad...
JarOfMayo
2008-02-28, 18:46
Well for some reason. maybe the week break, but holy smokes when did Nagisa get this cute... :p
Or maybe they gonna interrupt the series, working an Haruhi S2, and continue Clannad + After Story to wrap up the thing after Haruhi 2?
It is just speculation, because I am really puzzled by that 22/23 episode thing. So dont jump on me.
JarOfMayo
2008-02-28, 20:13
From whats left in the general story (the After portion)... guess another 11-13 is possible.
I really dislike the "skip a season/year, then comeback with R2!!!" sorta thing like with Geass and 00, but.... if it gives it a proper closing instead of crunching it into 26 or chugging along into 30s with lower quality perhaps, it is I guess better for the long run. And... even if we end up disappointed with the arrangement that keeps us in cliffhanger for a year or a season or two... little reason why we wouldn't watch the "R2", second season, etc. of a series just because we didn't like to wait.
It would have been nice... like in the case of Geass and 00 if we knew beforehand if they meant to go this way. Well no idea of a 2nd season yet till its announced formally right?
Leo_Otaku
2008-02-28, 20:21
Pretty good episode ^-^ The synthetizer was great XD I loved that part and having Kyou there was great too. From seeing what is happening I wonder if ep 23 will be about the Illusionary world... Anyway Great ep ^-^
Good episode. Nagi sure wore the pants in this episode.
Tomoya moving in with Nagi was unexpected, but a rather nice twist. Tomoya's dad really needs to get it together.
So the girls seem to be fine with Tomoya and Nagi pairing. Thank goodness, didn't really want to see those girls cry or hurt anymore. Tomoya seems to not realize his feelings for Nagi yet....slow or dense not sure...
Kyou X Tomoyo are a power house. WOW!
Anyone think Nagi's mom couldn't become a teacher because she had Nagi when she was in high school or something? Seems like they have family problems too. Guess there are always things underneath the surface.
That's awesome that Tomoya is living with Nagi now, he's got it pretty nice there plus a nice room. LOL he got owned by a 6 year old....... I hope he will be able to live there, live there happily that is. Hope his curiosity or some other factor makes him move out. Moving back with his dad is good I guess, but living with Nagi is sooo much better!
the ending was rather weird. Usually that scene is in the beginning. Guess the real mystery or problem will soon to start. Does that girl in the other world look like Nagi and her mom some what? Actually more like her mom..... Hope that whole mystery world is revealed soon, it has been bugging me since the beginning!!!!!!!!!
Ascaloth
2008-02-28, 20:57
And so, with some otakus' hearts filled with scabs, Clannad continues on.
This episode actually feels a bit different to prior episodes ambiance wise. The story changes direction and a different kind of interaction starts to surface. Furukawa and Okazaki's families are quite in contrast to each other, and KyoAni has works cut out within the remaining episodes to address what they can. Every other club members take backseats in this episode and perhaps in the next episode as well.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1752/120419903363315928d7cc6.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=120419903363315928d7cc6.jpg)
２１： 3/13 学園祭にむけて Options for School Festival
22： 3/20 影二つ Two shadows <Final Episode>
23: 3/27 夏休みなの出来事 Events of Summer break nano
Clannad's run will continue up till episode 22. There will be one omake scheduled after the run.
I didn't play the game, but looks like a definite second season, for sure.
siber222000
2008-02-28, 21:00
just watched from korean sub, another perfect episode i will say, consisted of humor and finally it's nagisa's turn... awesome can't wait for 20
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-28, 22:22
Good episode. Nagi sure wore the pants in this episode.
Tomoya moving in with Nagi was unexpected, but a rather nice twist. Tomoya's dad really needs to get it together.
So the girls seem to be fine with Tomoya and Nagi pairing. Thank goodness, didn't really want to see those girls cry or hurt anymore. Tomoya seems to not realize his feelings for Nagi yet....slow or dense not sure...
Kyou X Tomoyo are a power house. WOW!
Anyone think Nagi's mom couldn't become a teacher because she had Nagi when she was in high school or something? Seems like they have family problems too. Guess there are always things underneath the surface.
That's awesome that Tomoya is living with Nagi now, he's got it pretty nice there plus a nice room. LOL he got owned by a 6 year old....... I hope he will be able to live there, live there happily that is. Hope his curiosity or some other factor makes him move out. Moving back with his dad is good I guess, but living with Nagi is sooo much better!
the ending was rather weird. Usually that scene is in the beginning. Guess the real mystery or problem will soon to start. Does that girl in the other world look like Nagi and her mom some what? Actually more like her mom..... Hope that whole mystery world is revealed soon, it has been bugging me since the beginning!!!!!!!!!
Nagi? Did you confuse this with Hayate or something?
Nagi? Did you confuse this with Hayate or something?
Maybe calling "Nagi"sa in short
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-28, 22:28
Maybe calling "Nagi"sa in short
Oh. That makes more sense now.
Maybe calling "Nagi"sa in short
Kravius hit it right on the spot! Thank you:heh:
I don't understand the complaints about cutting the run short and how it won't do justice to the game. It's like comparing cookies and bread and complaining about differences that define one inherently versus the other. Not having played the game, I enjoyed the pacing in this episode, how the attitudes in the two families contrasted, Tomoya's tacit observation of said contrast, and especially how Nagisa was becoming more and more assertive with Tomoya.
From what I've heard about the after story, won't it (no matter how good it is) be really niche because of the focus on Tomoya's family and Nagisa's family? I don't think that is enough for it to get its own season.
DJ_RockmanX
2008-02-29, 00:47
From what I've heard about the after story, won't it (no matter how good it is) be really niche because of the focus on Tomoya's family and Nagisa's family? I don't think that is enough for it to get its own season.
The After Story is essentially the second part of the game. That is all that I know.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-29, 00:49
I don't understand the complaints about cutting the run short and how it won't do justice to the game. It's like comparing cookies and bread and complaining about differences that define one inherently versus the other. Not having played the game, I enjoyed the pacing in this episode, how the attitudes in the two families contrasted, Tomoya's tacit observation of said contrast, and especially how Nagisa was becoming more and more assertive with Tomoya.
From what I've heard about the after story, won't it (no matter how good it is) be really niche because of the focus on Tomoya's family and Nagisa's family? I don't think that is enough for it to get its own season.
The After Story is the end of the whole story in Clannad. It ties together pretty much everything and explains what's going on with the girl and the robot we keep seeing.
Basically, creating a proper ending to Clannad without it is kind of impossible without being incredibly contrived.
Given KyoAni's attention to detail and heroic attempts to create a coherent plot out of several contrasting arcs, I think we can expect a second season.
"Really niche"? Care to explain this?
tripperazn
2008-02-29, 02:06
I don't understand the complaints about cutting the run short and how it won't do justice to the game. It's like comparing cookies and bread and complaining about differences that define one inherently versus the other. Not having played the game, I enjoyed the pacing in this episode, how the attitudes in the two families contrasted, Tomoya's tacit observation of said contrast, and especially how Nagisa was becoming more and more assertive with Tomoya.
From what I've heard about the after story, won't it (no matter how good it is) be really niche because of the focus on Tomoya's family and Nagisa's family? I don't think that is enough for it to get its own season.
The anime Clannad is already an extremely abridged version of the game. A 52 ep run might be sufficient if pacing is good and the writing staff brilliant. It's just a shock that the already insufficient amount of episodes gets cut by 10%.
The game goes much, much deeper with both Kyou and Tomoyo at least (from what I know, haven't finished the game). In the anime only the first scenes of their route were shown (you'd only spend probably 20 min of playing to get that far). The rest of it was completely skipped.
oompa loompa
2008-02-29, 02:58
second season here we go!.. zz.. just hope it doesnt take more than a year so.. but thats being hopeful :mad:
todkapuz
2008-02-29, 03:23
Hmm.. I dunno what to say about this episode... I really like that the theme is starting to finally comes to the fore-front... but in the same light I am worried with how they are going to do the next few episodes, especally with the recent news of the 22 + 1 + 1 dvd ... (if that is right) ...
While I have gone through the after story, I haven't gone through nagisa's route... so I am wondering if some of the hints we're getting now were part of the end of her route pre-after story ... or if they are going to slam us with only the top level bits of the after story and call it a done series... *shrugs* so that saddens me just a bit..
But looking at it from a anime-only eye... I really like where we're at the moment... and seeing Nagisa's development from episode 1 to episode 19's reincarnation is really been quite wonderful... :)
Beyond that, it was nice to see Tomoyo in the class room.. and loved the Kyou-Tomoyo dual punch :) Tomoya leaving his father was a bit painful ... but that's just because of my view point. Still miss having more fun with Kotomi-chan... I know shes in this one.. but still ... :) ah well..
Akio still is great.... that's all that matters right?
I Think The End Of Clannad Will Be Surprise To Alot Of People
Ascaloth
2008-02-29, 04:31
Watched the TWH-Sprocket sub of Episode 19.
Oh wow, hahahahaha. +++respect to Nagisa revealing an erstwhile unseen bossy side to keep that brat Okazaki in line. :D
Episode 19 really has a noticably different feel from the previous episodes; with the "harem" gag over and done with, it takes a turn into a more slice-of-life direction. It's undeniably going deep into the Nagisa route now, and the story shows signs of getting even better at this point.
9/10, only because I have a suspicion that CLANNAD (TV) is gonna score a string of 10s from me in the coming weeks. Blog article coming tonight.
RandomFlameStrike
2008-02-29, 04:41
Awesome Nagisa is cute. I like how they finally put more emphasis on the Tomoya and his Dad's relationship It looked like his dad didn't really want him to go but due to his "He's his own person" philsophy he went and let Tomoya do what he wanted. In the game Nagisa offers to let Tomoya stay over at the beginning, but he rejects her since they just met. It was kind of surpriseing and nice to see Nagisa so determined, at episode one she would not have the guts to be teaching someone the rules of society heh.
I heard some people saying the end of Clannad + After story was really sad? Ugh this really annoys me since the end of Tomoyo after and the end of Clannad after are all said to be sad, why the heck is key going out of it's way to make everything end it tragady for Tomoya?!?! If the after story really does end up in death I'll be annoyed as hell.
Kaioshin Sama
2008-02-29, 05:02
It's taking all I have to not look at the pictures. Ugh...
And 22 episodes?! That's really.... It was supposed to be 24 no? How would they end it with so few episodes?
By bending time and space to allow 60 minutes to become 12 hours.:heh:
Oh there was a time when such a statement would have been taken at face value and people would have argued that they were capable of such a thing. I kind of miss those times on some level. :(
Deathscyther
2008-02-29, 05:47
Great episode ^_^
I like how the 'family' theme becomes more apparent now.
I gave it a 9/10
Nagisa and Tomoya sure have gotten close since episode 1, eh. They act so natural around each other and can sense what the other is feeling so easily. They seem like a couple already ;)
And yeah, it seems like we'll get to learn more about Nagisa's family in the next episode.
I have played the game and after seeing the titles for the final episodes...I think that there will have to come a second season and I'm pretty sure that there will come a second season.
After all...it seems like we won't even get to see the end of Nagisa's route...let alone after story...it would be more than enough material to make a second season of 12 or 24 episodes for Clannad involving the end of Nagisa's route and After story
The game goes much, much deeper with both Kyou and Tomoyo at least (from what I know, haven't finished the game). In the anime only the first scenes of their route were shown (you'd only spend probably 20 min of playing to get that far). The rest of it was completely skipped.
That is false, as pretty much everything there is about Tomoyo was told, and Kyou/Ryou is another kettle of fish altogether, which can't function all that well together with Nagisa in the picture. Yes, they are leaving some things out, which is to be expected. The anime is not supposed to be a direct copy of the game, i don't see how this can even be argued otherwise.
That said, i will say this: the more we are heading towards, the more certain i am becoming about second season awaiting us. The story of Clannad is not over, nor is it close to end either. And there are some interesting *wink* *nudge* scenes both in the OP and the show which game players can pick up. Scenes that further leads me to believe we are going to get a continuation of the story, otherwise they wouldn't make any sense to be included. Of course i might be wrong and they intend to cut the story halfway and end it at that. It is possible, and wouldn't make for a half bad stopping point, but there are things thats leads me to believe otherwise, and i don't believe i am alone on this. KyoAni have stuck fairly close to the source material with both Air and Kanon, and i have little reason to believe it would be otherwise here. So just kick back and relax, and enjoy whats in front of you, come what will :)
ReizoSan
2008-02-29, 06:04
Well the hints from ep 19 was too clear about what will happen in the next episode, obviously Nagisa got Sanae fired from her job as a teacher maybe she didn't want her around as she was being bullied about it or something else but whatever it is its to do with Sanae leaving her teaching job, im just still wondering what are those bits means about the girl and the robot??? im still not sure it kind of looks like Nagisa though the little girl?
I just thought that about that girl and thinking she HAS to be Nagisa but who is the robot, my guess its Okazaki but i feel it will become another "key" moment maybe its to do with why Nagisa used to be ill maybe shes n a coma and in that dream world Okazaki has to get her out of her coma or something,:D typical key stuff.
I THINK the correct question is not will we have a second season (it is almost clear)
but when will the second season will be ?
imagina if we must wait like haruhi fans (2 years until now and may be more than)
I HOPFULL seacond season will directly after season one
i think if they delay the season to next year or after they kill the anime
hopfull it comes in spring or in autum no after that
Second season of Haruhi starts after Clannad, but after that it is anyone's guess. If we are getting a season 2, i think it being after Haruhi 2 would be a reasonable assumption. But this conversation is more suited for Clannad General discussion thread, as this is the episode 19 thread, so lets get back to ep19 :)
Finally the long-awaited (2 weeks!) episode airs.
Nagisa being pushy torwards shaping up Tomoya's attitude made me chuckle. Even when she's annoyed, she's still adorable!
The Okazaki household and the Furukawa household is like night and day. I actually felt a pang of sorrow when I saw the look on Tomoya's dad's face when he finally left, and it looked like Tomoya was still pained while saying his goodbye... his dad really needs to get his act together.
At the Furukawa household, I don't know if it was the stark contrast in mood, Sanae and Akio, Nagisa, the situation, or the fact that I love the melody; but when the bgm started playing "Nagisa" I had this huge smile stuck on my face. :) It really is a warm and happy household, good for you Tomoya.
As for what Nagisa "did", I think I can make a pretty educated guess what it was based on the clues given so far:
1. Sanae showing her aptitude as a teacher (with Fuuko) and being a teacher once before.
2. Sanae opening her own tutoring center for kids at the present
3. Sanae's and Akio's age
4. Nagisa having an inherently weak body
Unless something new comes up of course. Which will probably happen no doubt.
The episode ends with an 'other world' scene... which is usually reserved for the beginning. Perhaps the mystery behind it will finally start to unfold soon.
Main Char / Supporting / Minor[TH]
Okazaki Tomoya
Furukawa Nagisa
Sunohara Youhei
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Ichinose Kotomi
Sakagami Tomoyo
Furukawa Akio
Furukawa Sanae
Okazaki Naoyuki
Koumura Toshio
"Mysterious World"19:35
13:21
4:02
2:56
2:56
2:56
2:26
2:00
1:56
1:33
1:08
0:42
Main Char / Supporting / Minor
Okazaki Tomoya
Furukawa Nagisa
Ibuki Fuuko
Ichinose Kotomi
Sunohara Youhei
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Sakagami Tomoyo
Furukawa Sanae
Furukawa Akio
Ibuki Kouko
Kotomi's Guardian
Sunohara Mei
"Mysterious World"
Miyazawa Yukine
Botan
Yoshino Yuuske
Sugisaka
Nishina Rie
Sagara Misae
Ichinose Koutarou
Ichinose Mizue
Toshio Koumura
Okazaki Naoyuki
Mitsui
Sakagami Takafumi
Kanako
6:03:04
3:30:20
1:27:01
1:26:28
1:24:27
1:24:03
1:12:11
45:07
21:25
16:53
16:44
9:39
9:20
8:28
6:22
6:22
4:58
4:40
4:38
3:59
3:49
3:47
3:44
3:10
2:35
1:42
0:18
panzerfan
2008-02-29, 06:46
(Suppose we should move all discussion on the overall plot of After Story to the General discussion thread)
There's much to be told about Nagisa from the looks of it at this moment. Sanae and Akio's story, as said before, is central to the remaining episodes of Clannad. I would love to see how it's going to play out in the next episode or two.
Some people have found an abundance of Misuzu in this episode of Clannad, and Sunohara should be the star male lead of the drama troupe in performance, with that kind of fertile imagination displayed as he messes with the special effect on the keyboard.
On a funny note, loads of Japanese fans have come to equate Clannad as what life is all about...
On a funny note, loads of Japanese fans have come to equate Clannad as what life is all about...
Can you tell me more about it, I am curious. Well, after all, I have friends who believed the same thing about Forrest Gump or Amélie Poulain.
;3
SidVicious
2008-02-29, 07:27
Nagisa was perfect in this episode. :)
So, my random thoughts/impressions...
First, it seems like this is becoming a bit less of streams of stories and more of a soap opera style. Like, it's becoming hard to point the end of an arc and the start of a new one, and the plot doesn't exactly seem to be building. Maybe I'm missing the actual building. But, even if the style changed, I still love it! ^_^
Having the dream scene to end to episode was quite unexpected.
5 lights WAS expected. DVD theory almost wins. :)
Akira style Sunohara was just too great!
In that Akira style Sunohara scene, the first view we get on him, didn't he look just adorable! :)
Akio-Sama's "The harem's disappeared!" You cannot get much better than that. :)
We finally get some plot devlopment for Tomoya's father.
Nagisa's tugging Tomoya and being forceful of him was just too great. ^_^ Thought it's strange, because the character with the same name in my visual novel is exactly the same as that... *Is shocked at the coincidence*
Overall, this episode seemed to just be missing "something". I'm giving it an 8 for being fun, but just seemingly a little off the mark for me. Maybe I was anticipating it to much. :p
Great episode, but somehow very different from the others up till now... I'm impressed by how the story is told very similar to how it was in the game and even adds in little details (Sunohara and the keyboard for instance :D)
If they end this season the way I think KyoAni will, it'll be epic.
There's still a chance for more development on Kyou's story, though I'm basing that on just one expression she had. >.>
And we got a new light! So whose lights are those now?
Fuuko
Kotomi
Tomoyo...
Oh and Mei, but what about the fifth one? Did I miss anything?
One thing that does bug me though, is the Illusionary world part of the anime... It seems so much slower and more behind than in the game. It seems disconnected from the story whereas in the game it felt like the two were somehow linked... No idea HOW since I didn't play AS yet though. :P It's a shame they're not using the illusionary world more, it seems randomly tacked on when there was time now.
So, erm, in short. Good episode, not perfect, and even though there's just three episodes left I'm sure they'll be good too.
Great episode, but somehow very different from the others up till now... I'm impressed by how the story is told very similar to how it was in the game and even adds in little details (Sunohara and the keyboard for instance :D)
If they end this season the way I think KyoAni will, it'll be epic.
There's still a chance for more development on Kyou's story, though I'm basing that on just one expression she had. >.>
And we got a new light! So whose lights are those now?
Fuuko
Kotomi
Tomoyo...
Oh and Mei, but what about the fifth one? Did I miss anything?
One thing that does bug me though, is the Illusionary world part of the anime... It seems so much slower and more behind than in the game. It seems disconnected from the story whereas in the game it felt like the two were somehow linked... No idea HOW since I didn't play AS yet though. :P It's a shame they're not using the illusionary world more, it seems randomly tacked on when there was time now.
So, erm, in short. Good episode, not perfect, and even though there's just three episodes left I'm sure they'll be good too.
There are two theories.
The first is that the lights are for Fuuko, Kouko, Kotomi, Mei, and Tomoyo, appearing as soon as each has a moment of true happiness.
The second is that it goes by DVDs, where DVD 1 and 2 have 0, and then there is a light added each DVD.
It's just becoming too much of a coincidence that it is adding every 3 episodes for me to buy into the true happiness theory.
There are two theories.
The first is that the lights are for Fuuko, Kouko, Kotomi, Mei, and Tomoyo, appearing as soon as each has a moment of true happiness.
The second is that it goes by DVDs, where DVD 1 and 2 have 0, and then there is a light added each DVD.
It's just becoming too much of a coincidence that it is adding every 3 episodes for me to buy into the true happiness theory.
Ah, but Kouou's light does make sense. I... temporarily forgot all about her. >.>
Another note, it did seem like there was something missing this episode. Possibly because of it being mainly focused on Tomoya and less on his interaction with others... At the risk of sounding emo, I'd say this episode lacked the same warmth the other ones had up until now. It needs more Nagisa! (I'd say Yukine but I doubt that'd happen. :heh:)
The second is that it goes by DVDs, where DVD 1 and 2 have 0, and then there is a light added each DVD.
It's just becoming too much of a coincidence that it is adding every 3 episodes for me to buy into the true happiness theory.
I AM SORRY but I DONOT UNDERSTAND THIS
could YOY EXPLAN this with more details
I AM SORRY but I DONOT UNDERSTAND THIS
could YOY EXPLAN this with more details
The DVDs each have 3 episodes.
There was a new light added episode 7, 10, 13, 16, and 19.
So, DVD 1 and 2 (1-3)(4-6) both have all the episodes with 0 lights.
DVD 3 (7-9) has all the episodes with 1 light.
DVD 4 (10-12) has all the episodes with 2 lights.
DVD 5 (13-15) has all the episodes with 3 lights.
And now, DVD 6 (16-18) has all the episodes with 4 lights.
Deathscyther
2008-02-29, 09:17
I think that some people missed the humerous and warm part of clannad this episode. There wasn't much comedy in this one, except for Sunohara's 'performance' of course and Nagisa's aggressive behaviour towards Tomoya:p.
The rest of the episode was very serious and emotional. The episode really focused on the family theme and the contrast between Tomoya's and Nagisa's family. And how Tomoya begins his new life in a 'real' family for once (something that's really new for him)
And yeah, I agree. I think that the remaining episodes will focus on Sanae and Akio's stories, while staying in Nagisa's arc. So people could better get used to these kind of episodes, because I think that the rest of the season will be like this one. Serious and emotion, while putting some humour in sometimes.
Deathkillz
2008-02-29, 09:38
Quite a nice "slice of life-ish" type episode :)
I guess with "all" the problems for the supporting characters sorted, now it is down to the main duo; tomoya and nagisa.
There is quite a sharp contrast between their families but I am surprised that nagisa's family may not all be as "sweet" as it seems at first glance.
The question of nagisa doing something bad when she was young to the point what sanae quit being a school teacher is interesting (and I bet they are connected somehow).
I am also interesting in seeing how this will end...if it is a cliffhanger I guess that most of us will go bald (much like waiting for CG :heh:).
Although this episode ntg special, but it feel good.
Congratulate for Drama Club, finally it start. And Tomoya was live together with Nagisa, so happy, but his dad confirm to feel lonely(from the emotion of his dad). And Tomoya still don't know his feeling toward Nagisa, good luck here.
Nagisa seem to has something happen in the past, and her parent don't want to talk about it as well, something bad?
Looking forward to next episode.
kyoulover
2008-02-29, 10:50
Everything's really going far too well to become nagisa ending...and it's not like i don't expect it though....everything's i think will happen really happened -_-a
Well....just an average episode i think...
what i really don't like is that kyou's not appear often in this episode T_T
Aww 22 eps :( I am curious whats the new project of Key animation. I love their anime, looks great, and nice storyline (think about Kanon and Air). Ah well...we'll see ^^
*goes to watch clannad right now*
Owaranai Destiny
2008-02-29, 11:16
Wow. I don't know why, but it seems like I'm actually completely over the fact that Kyou and more importantly Tomoyo isn't going to feature so much in the remaining episodes. More importantly, I thought this episode did a good job of implanting the fact into some stubborn viewers that it's TomoyaxNagisa from here onwards. Anyone would be blind (or blindfolded, I suppose) not to notice them at all.
-Tomoyo gets things done, doesn't she? Considering how she quickly pushed for an exception for the Choir and Drama clubs shows that she isn't the type to forget how someone helped her attain her goal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but her purpose in watching the drama club do their stuff might actually have something to do with finding the group interesting aside (or maybe it's just the Sunoharian punching bag) from just merely making it her concern, since it was something she advocated for. :)
-Kyou seems to have accepted the fact fully, and I might even see her supporting the coupling considering how she had tried to support Ryou. Even though he doesn't look it, Youhei is pretty perceptive too and all Tomoya's got to do is take a few more steps.
-It seems so funny and ironic in a way that when Tomoya told Nagisa to be 'reckless', she went all out...Even on him. :heh: Pretty nice and entertaining to see an assertive attitude from her. Perhaps it's the way she devised to clamp down on Tomoya's attitude and get him to improve his own way of living. (EDIT: Hell, she might actually be stalking Tomoya just to make sure he's doing what she thinks is good for him. :heh: ) Keep it up, Nagisa, and I think you're going to leapfrog my personal rankings of Kotomi and even Kyou. I'm really liking her as a character now.
-While this might not serve to be as entertaining or humorous as some of the earlier episodes, Episode 19 served as a reminder to us that the show is family-themed, that even though the things that we see in the Furukawa household might seem mundane (except for the special characters, bless Sanae and Akio for that :D ), to Tomoya it was something special and from it came the almost alien feeling of warmth that a family could provide.
*That was Dango Daikazoku BGM in the background, right?
-Way to go, kid! Kick the delinquent in his arse and start your relationships from young. :heh: Don't ever get into a fight with your father or forget about Na-chan, though.
-As it has been mentioned already, the next few episodes will probably have a greater focus on Nagisa's past and the gradual setting up of the Drama club, assignments to various jobs, testing out of the equipment etc.
A solid 9 for this episode.
BigGimp77
2008-02-29, 11:35
It was a good episode...
How can they make a second season though? They ended the Tomoyo, Kyou, and Ryou's Arcs so quickly. If they would have extended those arcs then maybe I could see a second season.
But with Nagisa's arc already upon us... and all the other girls eliminated from the Tomoya race and all of their respective arcs finished, what would they do for a second season? I haven't played the entire game so idk if there is more storyline after Nagisa's arc.
I'm kinda disappointed it was crunched down into 22 episodes, but idk if i'd want a second season. I didn't like the fact they cut down 3 girl's arcs and if they cut down Nagisa's it will be a shame.
But a second season wouldn't have all the great action between Tomoya and the girls that made the first season really fun and enjoyable because Nagisa has already won. (Yes I know the series man focal point isnt about Tomoya getting a hot piece but there was a lot of classic moments in this season due to the Tomoya/female interaction that would be missing if there was a season 2.)
Klashikari
2008-02-29, 11:40
It was a good episode...
How can they make a second season though? They ended the Tomoyo, Kyou, and Ryou's Arcs so quickly. If they would have extended those arcs then maybe I could see a second season.
But with Nagisa's arc already upon us... and all the other girls eliminated from the Tomoya race and all of their respective arcs finished, what would they do for a second season? I haven't played the entire game so idk if there is more storyline after Nagisa's arc.
After Story has nothing to do with school life. What you all have watched so far is only the first half of Clannad. The way how they conveyed the first part sure doesn't leave much to make a second season on the same basis.
However, Clannad is big enough for like 50-70 episodes. A second season is a must otherwise, it wouldn't give the whole plot, only the school life part.
Obviously, the second part of Clannad, doesn't have the competition, and yet the first part wasn't for that to begin with.
NoOneKnowS
2008-02-29, 11:53
Well I don't really mind if Clannad ends on the "school life part" (wow; my first time posting in this sub-forum; :heh::heh::heh:; But I do watch Clannad though lol).
I wouldn't really mind about the "after story" or whatever it is. (cause like I have 0 info/knowledge on the game itself :heh::heh::heh:). For an average casual anime viewer like me. I'd be pretty content as long as the series did end nicely. Not to mention all the laughs and dramas I've seen throughout the series. Let's say I'm already pretty satisfied. The only thing missing now is for Nagisa and Tomoya to hooked up w/ each other at lease not at the end episode. But before that and do some little drama on their relationship etc....
But if ever a second series is made though; I'd be interested to see it. Nothings beats more than getting more dose of you're favorite characters (that would be Nagisa in my case; and also Kotomi).
Ascaloth
2008-02-29, 11:59
Blog article is up:
[RIUVA] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 19 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=986)
Wow, I must have been jinxed tonight. I lost my draft twice - TWICE!!! - and wasted several more hours on it than I usually do on average. >_<
BigGimp77
2008-02-29, 12:00
After Story has nothing to do with school life. What you all have watched so far is only the first half of Clannad.
So there is an After Story plot in the game? I played 4 hours of the game and then stopped. It was fun but I didn't have the time to play multiple times to get all the arcs so I gave up.
Kinny Riddle
2008-02-29, 12:06
I'm surprised Director Ishihara decided not to use up the whole 24 episode, as there's room to spare to slot in just that little bit more of Kyou and Tomoyo, even though they're now out of the race. Let us just hope that their further character development will continue in series 2. At least they'll be around, like Kotomi, and not totally disappear.
Anyway, there is a huge chunk of story left untold that 3 episodes is definitely not enough to cover. So it's safe to assume a second series (Dare I say it'll be titled: "CLANNAD - AfterStory"?) is in the bag. With the success of Haruhi, Clannad and Lucky Star DVD sales, they're financially ensured to budget them for that.
Nagisa is certainly at her cutest when she's being bossy. She even sounded different. (Credit must be given to Nakahara Mai) You go girl! Put that brat Tomoya in his place for underestimating you. :D
I never knew Misuzu used to study in Sanae-san's class. :cool:
The synthesizer scene is up for contention for "Top Ten Sunohara Comedy Scenes". Personally, I find that scene even funnier in the visual novel. Let me quote a few lines to demonstrate this point:
Sunohara: Hey Okazaki.
Tomoya: What?
Sunohara: Who's that behind you? !!! It's...(cue horror violin music) IT'S FUJIBAYASHI KYOU!!!
Tomoya: You're definitely asking for a beating. (Kyou is absent in this scene, luckily for Sunohara)
Sunohara: What else...oh yeah...Look! It's Misae-san, she's...(cue music) SHE'S WALKING TOPLESS!!!
Tomoya: OK, I'm so going to hit you.
Sunohara: And then...ah yes...Eh!? Nagisa-chan! What did you say? (horror music) YOU LOVE ME MORE THAN YOU LOVE OKAZAKI!!!???
Tomoya: As if that would happen.
Sunohara: And then...the two of us decide to live together in secret, away from Okazaki. As we hold hands and walk into the deep forest, suddenly! Something draws near from behind. As we turn around, we see...(horror music) A BERSERK OKAZAKI!!! (gets kicked by Tomoya)
Tomoya: What am I!? A demon!? Anyway (turns to Nagisa) you won't be needing this kind of sound effect for your play, would you?
Nagisa: Probably not. Music is just fine.
Tomoya: Then it's decided.
Sunohara: (horror music) EHHHHH!!!???
Tomoya: Oh shut up! (kicks Sunohara again)
After Tomoya accidentally let it slip that he has moved in with Nagisa, Sunohara pulls a screwed up face like that of Akira-sama in Lucky Star.
Speaking of Akira-sama, her Lucky Channel partner Shiraishi "Wa-wa-wa-wasuremono" Minoru can be heard as the TV voice in Tomoya's house. Maybe it's just me, but Shiraishi's easily recognizable voice sort of distracted me from the seriousness of the scene of Tomoya leaving his house for good.
Blog article is up:
[RIUVA] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 19 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=986)
Wow, I must have been jinxed tonight. I lost my draft twice - TWICE!!! - and wasted several more hours on it than I usually do on average. >_<
You may want to fix the title on the blog page. :)
So there is an After Story plot in the game? I played 4 hours of the game and then stopped. It was fun but I didn't have the time to play multiple times to get all the arcs so I gave up.
Yes there is. And it is,arguably, the more important part of the story. Thats why all the "speculation" about upcoming second season is being made - the story of Clannad is not over. Far from it.
Ascaloth
2008-02-29, 12:17
You may want to fix the title on the blog page. :)
.....
I was jinxed tonight. Jinxed, I tell you.
BigGimp77
2008-02-29, 12:23
Yes there is. And it is,arguably, the more important part of the story. Thats why all the "speculation" about upcoming second season is being made - the story of Clannad is not over. Far from it.
Ohhhhh. I had no idea lol. I figured the game just ended when you picked a girl and did her arc :heh: Shows how much I know about visual novel games. I figured it was like Kanon anime. Do all the girls arcs and then the anime is done. That's why I thought a second season would just be anime-original material..
But if the after story is from the game and that's what would make up the second season then I wouldn't have a problem with that.
I didn't realize the game was so long geez.
Mirrinus
2008-02-29, 12:33
Hmm...if they don't do the after story in the next few episodes, then this run of Clannad is going to feel awfully incomplete, even if it is suppose to be just the first season. I mean, the whole other world with the robot and girl will seem completely random and unexplained, for one, which is just awkward.
I'm actually not that optimistic, lol. We'll see how executive decisions play out.
The after story can't be told in a few episodes. It simply is not that small, and we are not even done with Nagisa yet. We are talking about something thats more or less about as big (length wise) as the "school life" combined. And actually they can end this run with a good sense of completion, but i am not going to dwell on that, as that is already spoiler territory.
Mirrinus
2008-02-29, 13:18
K, I'm willing to accept that.
Anyway, concerning the actual episode, my first thought was that the animation seems to have taken a hit, what with the jarring distance shots and all. Then again, this is like the only show that I ever even notice such things for...
On another point, this episode felt much more subdued and subtle that many of the past episodes. Nagisa was simply incredible, and really stole the show for me. Favorite main Key heroine by far, indeed. It's also quite interesting to be focused so much on Tomoya himself, his own developing character and past. I was most pleased to see him experience what it was like to be part of a close, loving family: bidding farewell to the parents before leaving for school, partaking of a meal together, and the like. It was pretty evident that Tomoya was a bit disoriented by the experience, like a fish out of water, which cements the notion that he and Nagisa come from totally different worlds. And yet, this episode shows that each is slowly being integrated with the other.
Mai Kawasumi
2008-02-29, 13:32
The episode was kinda boring, the only good thing of this was Sunohara and the double punch :heh:
Nagisa bossy >>>>>> Nagisa shy
HashiriyaR32
2008-02-29, 15:13
HAHAHA!
XD at Ryou and Youhei playing around with the game SFX!!
10/10 for the following:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1016/snapshot20080229144709ot8.jpg and http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5466/snapshot20080229150031fp3.jpg
Tiberium Wolf
2008-02-29, 16:41
The double punch is enough for me to give a 10.
The best way to get to the moon :D
Kaisos Erranon
2008-02-29, 17:10
The best way to get to the moon :D
"I'll kick your arse so hard you'll kiss the moons!"
Oh Kid.
On topic, this episode was much slower than the previous one, which, if you ask me, is a vast improvement. Sunohara's drama is, as usual, awesomely funny, and Bossy Nagisa is also a vast improvement over Useless Nagisa.
Now I'm just wondering how the hell they're gonna end this.
mikesince83
2008-02-29, 17:19
Overload of Nagisa cuteness!
Not having played the game, Tomoya moving in with Nagisa was a bit of a surprise. Maybe he's not comfortable around his Dad, but is that really a reason to move out? Also, it seemed unlikely that her parents would allow it. Regardless of how close he's become through frequent visits, I find it doubtful Sanae and Akio would permit a high school boy that is quite possibly interested in their daughter, live in the same house.
I'll let it go since I realize it's a excellent opportunity for some in depth Nagisa and Tomoya development. Besides, attempting to over analyze the realism of a show like this is just counterproductive.
Favorite lines
Tomoya: I'm off...
Akio: Yeah! Go and score!
Tomoya: Score with what?
Now we have even more proof that Nagisa isn't your typical moeblob pushover. She can assert herself when she really wants to. It's enjoyable to watch characters develop and show depth like this. She also has a tendency to pop up when it can be somewhat inconvenient for Tomoya... maybe she's got Tomoya radar?
One thing I like about Sunohara is what seems to be a lack of inhibition. We know he's not a complete shallow moron, yet he still does things that cause him to be on the receiving end of physical punishment...
Speaking of character development/depth, this episode does a wonderful job of really showing the problems between Tomoya and his father. One thing I remember my parents often telling me is how they scolded me because they cared. The scene with Tomoya's father and the teacher really shows how far apart the Okazaki family is. The distance between the two becomes even more pronounced when compared to the Furukawa family.
The animation seemed slightly off this time around, but nothing to distract me from the episode.
But the news of there being only 3 more episodes makes me a sad panda, even if it's becoming more apparent there's going to be a second season.
MissInformed
2008-02-29, 18:46
I love how Sunohara can act kinda dense, but at at other times he's incredibly perceptive. Tomoya didn't totally deny Sunohara's accusation toward the end. :)
I don't think Sunohara is all that dense ... he just acts a fool most of the time :) He clearly can be serious when he wants to, and i would say Tomoya has easily got him beat in the density meter.
As for Nagisa ... i found the way she was portrayed this episode odd, to say the least. It seems a lot of people like the "forceful" Nagisa, and i will admit it was cute, but came across as very forced development on her part. The way she behaved was something more akin to Tomoyo, but for Nagisa itself these little "outbursts" i would classify as out of character moments.
DJ_RockmanX
2008-02-29, 18:56
I don't think Sunohara is all that dense ... he just acts a fool most of the time :) He clearly can be serious when he wants to, and i would say Tomoya has easily got him beat in the density meter.
I would classify Tomoya as one in denial. :heh:
As for Nagisa ... i found the way she was portrayed this episode odd, to say the least. It seems a lot of people like the "forceful" Nagisa, and i will admit it was cute, but came across as very forced development on her part. The way she behaved was something more akin to Tomoyo, but for Nagisa itself these little "outbursts" i would classify as out of character moments.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it forced. Maybe a bit rushed perhaps, but it's not really a development that came out of nowhere.
As for Nagisa ... i found the way she was portrayed this episode odd, to say the least. It seems a lot of people like the "forceful" Nagisa, and i will admit it was cute, but came across as very forced development on her part. The way she behaved was something more akin to Tomoyo, but for Nagisa itself these little "outbursts" i would classify as out of character moments.
True, but people always have these litttle outburst or whatever that comes out of charcater. Id be weird if she did not have them.
Shinigami_Mello
2008-02-29, 20:48
Ah, after two weeks of waiting, finally it's here <3
Anyway, it was a good episode. Seems like we'll find out something interesting next episode.
And bossy Nagisa is awesome. Reminds me of myself. I'm usually quiet (and sometimes shy), but once I'm friends with someone, I'm like a different person.
I had already been spoiled on the moving in part, but it was still nice.
It gets an 8 out of me. I have a feeling the next few episodes will be good : D
KaneDragon
2008-02-29, 20:58
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8131/sayuriseriousfaceli5.jpg (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Kanon)
It's just like with Sayuri. Such a cute serious face. ^^
Ascaloth
2008-02-29, 21:03
I don't think Sunohara is all that dense ... he just acts a fool most of the time :) He clearly can be serious when he wants to, and i would say Tomoya has easily got him beat in the density meter.
As for Nagisa ... i found the way she was portrayed this episode odd, to say the least. It seems a lot of people like the "forceful" Nagisa, and i will admit it was cute, but came across as very forced development on her part. The way she behaved was something more akin to Tomoyo, but for Nagisa itself these little "outbursts" i would classify as out of character moments.
For my part, I'm one of those who liked how Nagisa has changed in this episode. If you think about it, this is the first time Nagisa has ever seen Tomoya being a delinquent; she probably didn't have any reason to be bossy to him before then.
What surprises me more is how Tomoya lets Nagisa lay down the law on him + bring him to heel + even put a curfew on him. It's as much character development on Tomoya's part as it is Nagisa's.
The After Story is the end of the whole story in Clannad. It ties together pretty much everything and explains what's going on with the girl and the robot we keep seeing.
Basically, creating a proper ending to Clannad without it is kind of impossible without being incredibly contrived.
Given KyoAni's attention to detail and heroic attempts to create a coherent plot out of several contrasting arcs, I think we can expect a second season.
"Really niche"? Care to explain this?
From my understanding of the After Story, it certainly wraps up the main story, but the main story (and this season) can end solidly with Nagisa's route. If the After Story were animated you've got the family theme still, but none of the low key romance and (a limited number of) shenanigans that I am sure many viewers enjoyed from the story we have been presented. After Story is like a pie of Tomoya+Nagisa+Furukawa family, with a sprinkle of side characters and topped of with the rest of the Illusionary World... if they're not doing it after this season while the story is fresh in the audience's mind (at least those of us uninitiated to the game), it suggests to me they don't consider the After Story enough of a draw to give it even one cour.
sigh* that episode was short IMO, Nagisa starts to show a little force thanks to tomoya. Man Nagisa's arc now...................Last arc of the season most likely considering only 22-24 episodes. hehe not as much crazy going on anymore,not as much. well I guess its going to be the serious part now(well all harem mostly gets serious towards the end). O well......i give it a 7 good, but not amazing (cept for the ending thats something to look forward next week too. :D
MeoTwister5
2008-03-01, 00:07
Episode 19 pretty much is the counterpoint of any and all Nagisa haters. They can piss off now kthxbai.:D
ApostleOfGod
2008-03-01, 00:10
Weak episode. I gave it 8, but it's really more like a 6-7 imo.
First of all, I'm not sure if it's same for everyone, but I think I'm starting to see less quality animation in CLANNAD. I don't know if it's true, but I keep thinking that the staff kind of slacked off near the end or something, not putting as much effort as the start. I'm noticing all these undefined areas and bad quality which I didn't see early on in the season.
That Nagisa issue about being sorry for her parents, it probably came up a few times, but I'll just mention it again. If it is what I'm guessing it is, and that would be Nagisa doing something to get mom kicked out as middle school teacher, Clannad is dropping. Last week's ep had me craving for this episode. Actually, I guess I enjoyed the series, especially the Kotomi / Tomoyo / Kyou&Ryou arc. Trip man, Clannad is just not hitting my expectations no more. It got weaker. Damn...
And that whole Illusionary World stuff. I hope they actually develop it for a little bit before making a full episode about it and its relations to Nagisa / Tomoya..
TheInfinityZERO
2008-03-01, 00:13
Ep19 was sort of boring, unlike the buildup from the last part of ep18.
In the After Story part, does it say anything about Kotomi's future? I've read about Ryou, Kyou, Tomoyo, and Nagisa, but not Kotomi's.:confused: :upset:
MeoTwister5
2008-03-01, 00:18
Well the Illusionary World isn't specifically Tomoya/Nagisa, but I'd be spoiling too much if I said anything more.
And I'll say one things: I like the way Nagisa is animated here, much more than previous episodes. Her animation style no longer something of a cutesy attachment moe-like character, but just by looking at her face and her words she has an aura and look of maturity that has been in development for the last 18 weeks.
I think she looks better because she looks like she's grown, a matching point to her growth personality wise. Previously she looked cutesy like most high school anime girls and drawn, but now she actually looks like how I'd envision an animated Japanese high school girl would be. She looks her age, and she looks like she's learned a lot along the way.
MeoTwister5
2008-03-01, 00:29
Weak episode. I gave it 8, but it's really more like a 6-7 imo.
First of all, I'm not sure if it's same for everyone, but I think I'm starting to see less quality animation in CLANNAD. I don't know if it's true, but I keep thinking that the staff kind of slacked off near the end or something, not putting as much effort as the start. I'm noticing all these undefined areas and bad quality which I didn't see early on in the season.
That Nagisa issue about being sorry for her parents, it probably came up a few times, but I'll just mention it again. If it is what I'm guessing it is, and that would be Nagisa doing something to get mom kicked out as middle school teacher, Clannad is dropping. Last week's ep had me craving for this episode. Actually, I guess I enjoyed the series, especially the Kotomi / Tomoyo / Kyou&Ryou arc. Trip man, Clannad is just not hitting my expectations no more. It got weaker. Damn...
And that whole Illusionary World stuff. I hope they actually develop it for a little bit before making a full episode about it and its relations to Nagisa / Tomoya..
As for Nagisa getting her mom kicked out of her job as a middle school teacher, it isn't "exactly" or "directly" Nagisa's fault, but since the game plot revealed the reason why she isn't a teacher anymore, I assume the anime will reveal this in episode 20 as the title implies.
ApostleOfGod
2008-03-01, 01:02
As for Nagisa getting her mom kicked out of her job as a middle school teacher, it isn't "exactly" or "directly" Nagisa's fault, but since the game plot revealed the reason why she isn't a teacher anymore, I assume the anime will reveal this in episode 20 as the title implies.
Meh, I think it's close enough.
And regarding Nagisa's "mature" look...
They made her look even shorter than usual in some scenes, I think I saw her eye colour fade away to near black in some cases, and etc. I don't think she looks any more maturer. Simply, her behaviour was more eccentric in this episode than others, probably due to the fact that this is going to be her arc / leading to her arc after all.... So they have to develop her character more than just some weak girl wanting to do something with a theatre club right?
The quality of the animation kind of dropped on Okazaki and Nagisa. Honestly, I don't see them so well defined as they were before.
Mirrinus
2008-03-01, 01:11
I'm pretty sure most of that was due to the increase in far-away shots, where details such as the eyes are dropped. I noted that too, but the close-up shots are still of comparable quality to earlier episodes. Still, this episode had the highest concentration of those jarring far-away shots, which makes it much more noticable.
MeoTwister5
2008-03-01, 01:23
Meh, I think it's close enough.
And regarding Nagisa's "mature" look...
They made her look even shorter than usual in some scenes, I think I saw her eye colour fade away to near black in some cases, and etc. I don't think she looks any more maturer. Simply, her behaviour was more eccentric in this episode than others, probably due to the fact that this is going to be her arc / leading to her arc after all.... So they have to develop her character more than just some weak girl wanting to do something with a theatre club right?
The quality of the animation kind of dropped on Okazaki and Nagisa. Honestly, I don't see them so well defined as they were before.
As of episode 18 the story was already a massive deviation as what the game had. The fact remains that Nagisa's development is no where as well defined as the game was.
Those of us who played the game would probably understand why Nagisa is bossy here: in the game there are sections where Tomoya tries to get Nagisa to assert and exert herself more and stronger when dealing with others and herself. Such scenes are sadly not as commonly found in the anime It shows that she's becoming a more assertive person.
I have to fault the episode for making a large personality leap from the Nagisa of previous episodes. While she truly becomes what she is, the need to cut corners and rush a few things has sadly put a few gaps and holes into the her development stages making some of her new traits add and out of place.
Its look like there is no real conclusion on Tomoyo + Kyou arc unlike Fuuko's and Kotomi's arcs. I sense this episode is the first episode of Nagisa arc. The episode focused on both Tomoya and Nagisa as Tomoya decided to live at Furukawa Residence.
Kinny Riddle
2008-03-01, 02:23
I don't think Sunohara is all that dense ... he just acts a fool most of the time :) He clearly can be serious when he wants to, and i would say Tomoya has easily got him beat in the density meter.
As for Nagisa ... i found the way she was portrayed this episode odd, to say the least. It seems a lot of people like the "forceful" Nagisa, and i will admit it was cute, but came across as very forced development on her part. The way she behaved was something more akin to Tomoyo, but for Nagisa itself these little "outbursts" i would classify as out of character moments.
Out of character? I beg your pardon, but this change in attitude of Nagisa is the culmination of her spending time with Tomoya all this time, and it was Tomoya who suggested her to act more like this way. Forced it may be, but you should be able to see her determination to become more like this because she cares for Tomoya.
(Tomoya, what have you done? You've created a bossy girl, who might become a bossy girlfriend, and next step...a bossy wife. :cool: )
KholdStare
2008-03-01, 03:42
Here are my thoughts on this episode.
Enjoyment is a 10. Even though basically nothing got accomplished except for maybe revealing a bit more about Nagisa, it was a very cute and slice-of-life-ish episode. I mean everything was going right in this episode, from Tomoyo's presidency to the club's initiation to Nagisa's invitation. While this episode was very comfortable to watch, I have a feeling that all this leads to something dramatic in the next episode.
Now I haven't been paying any type of attention to the mysterious girl with the robots, but this is the first time I noticed that her voice is exactly like Nagisa's. I still don't really care what this means, since this is probably one of those anime where through casual viewing, one needs to re-watch the series in order to fully comprehend all of its messages.
9/10
Oh, and please don't let the best show of this season (in my opinion) end in utter failure. No matter how many episodes is left, KyoAni needs to pull a great ending and if they do, then that's all that matters.
And also, I'm growing more fond of the ED after every episode.
Out of character? I beg your pardon, but this change in attitude of Nagisa is the culmination of her spending time with Tomoya all this time, and it was Tomoya who suggested her to act more like this way. Forced it may be, but you should be able to see her determination to become more like this because she cares for Tomoya.
This change could have well been the culmination with her spending time with Tomoya, and if it were more of a gradual one i would have little problems accepting it. However the change came pretty much out of nowhere. We are talking a quite drastic leap in behavior, not the slow but gradual building of self-confidence she had been undergoing. I am not saying it is impossible for her to behave this way (else i would have given this episode less than 7), i am saying the supposed change was too sudden.
This change could have well been the culmination with her spending time with Tomoya, and if it were more of a gradual one i would have little problems accepting it. However the change came pretty much out of nowhere. We are talking a quite drastic leap in behavior, not the slow but gradual building of self-confidence she had been undergoing. I am not saying it is impossible for her to behave this way (else i would have given this episode less than 7), i am saying the supposed change was too sudden.
well it's been 19 ep. With I think a total of 22 then I would think they it had to come out sooner or later.
Bonta Kun
2008-03-01, 10:09
well after watching his little "skit" Sunohara now takes top spot as the best character and my fav for entertainment value, he's right up there with the likes Sousuke from FMP and Sanji from One Piece:D
one of my fav scenes of late, had me lol for hours after:heh:
i don't know whether this is the right place to say this or not, i just want to say that, all of us who have played the game (up to after story and true end)
maybe we should refrain ourself from giving opinion based on our experience with the game, basically we all have know the plot and stuff, and in my opinion by us giving opinion to other who are new to clannad, we making them expecting something more which could result in unsatisfactory, opinion such as "in the game it was like this" "there are more to it" "nagisa is the destined girl, because of after story"
its better for the one who don't know the game to enjoy clannad story to the fullest without us barging in. The reason why i said this because, from my point of view, it is kinda like watching an interesting movie with slow moving plot with a friend who had seen the movie before kind of feeling, you know what i mean? even though your friend who seen the movie with you didn't really spoil you to the point of really spilling the story, but sometimes they just unknowingly chuckle and respond to something that you don't understand when you watch it at the first time.
just my 2 cent, cheers
anyway, i also feel nagisa's change of attitude is kinda off, not bad but still.. yea
and the animation quality kinda dropped to, so i am giving it a 8/10 score
Well it had to happen. Nagisa getting stronger is a part of her character development. It may be a little jarring to some but I had no problems with her becoming self-asserting when it's important. She was doing it with the theater club little by little and now we see the results. http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-not-tagged-smiley-4714.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)
She was right. Tomoya can't run away from the teacher. Tomoya needed to get out of that apartment.
Lots of people are like that in real life, only pushing their views when it really matters. Besides, it not like you have the luxury of a 52 episode run to do this in. (Not holding my breath for a second season. Haruhi (already has a second season)and Lucky Star would take priority imo.)
Also, Tomoya's denial mode and walls that he erected to protect himself in the past are pretty hard to defeat.
Darklightz
2008-03-01, 11:05
Finally we're going to get into Tomoya and Nagisa's stories. I'm especially curious what it is Tomoya and his father fought over that led to his injury. It gave me a fuzzy feeling to see him slowly taking in what it's like to live in a warm happy home with a loving family.
Also I had forgotten about the girl and the strange robot. What is with those two anyway?
Quote of the day;
Nagisa's father : A guy shouldn't lose his harem!
Nagisa is so cute when she's angry/serious ^____^
Deathscyther
2008-03-01, 11:37
Nagisa is so cute when she's angry/serious ^____^
I know! I was like....Kawaii!!! =3
http://thumbnails3.imagebam.com/330/f3d6523299681.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f3d6523299681)
Can anyone tell me what's that sign in the pole for?
As for the episode, since I evaluate an episode for itself, the change of depth in character doesn't bother me much from episode to episode unless the change is rather a drastic one. I've liked the episode because the show is finally touching on the two reasons I've pretty much been interested in since episode 1. The first one is Tomoya's background alongside his dad, and the 2nd thing is the barren existence of the girl and her doll.
Ascaloth
2008-03-01, 12:06
@monir,
I'm sure it's "no parking around this stretch" or something to that effect.
We have the same sign in Singapore, but maybe you guys use a different sign....wherever the hell you are? :p
Pellissier
2008-03-01, 12:07
http://thumbnails3.imagebam.com/330/f3d6523299681.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f3d6523299681)
That's the No Parking signal (not to be confused with the "No Stopping" where there are 2 crossed lines instead of 1).
Kinny Riddle
2008-03-01, 12:45
http://thumbnails3.imagebam.com/330/f3d6523299681.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f3d6523299681)
Can anyone tell me what's that sign in the pole for?
You mean you don't have that sign where you live? I always thought certain road signs are used worldwide.
There might have been but I haven't noticed that particular sign in the few places I lived.
wherever the hell you are? :p
Currently residing in earth. Hope to go to space station sometime in 20XX and then hitch a ride to the moon and eventually, to mars. :cool:
Thanks for the prompt replies.
Red Lupine
2008-03-01, 15:46
You mean you don't have that sign where you live? I always thought certain road signs are used worldwide.
And this one happens to be one of them. Its not used in the United States
DragoonKain3
2008-03-01, 16:27
Not also in Canada, as we use a slashed P. I guess for non-English languages, a slashed P would make no sense at all lol.
As for the episode itself, Sunohara still is the man. His sfx play or even his reaction to hearing Tomoya was hilarious to me.
And I'm actually surprised Nagisa's parents actually let him stay. I mean, the other boarders before were all female, and Tomoya isn't even related to them nor have they know him for too long. No sane parent would let an unrelated guy close to the age of their daughter stay in their house, but then again Nagisa's parents are oddballs lol.
As for Nagisa itself, I liked it when she started mandhandling Tomoya. While I don't have a particular liking to that behaviour, I'm really getting tired of Nagisa's usual self. So her acting kinda like Haruhi is a nice change of pace IMO.
Speaking of which, Haruhi is sceduled after Clannad? That's news to me, as ANN, anidb, or even the 2nd season thread in this forum has no clear answer at all lol.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-01, 17:06
Speaking of which, Haruhi is sceduled after Clannad? That's news to me, as ANN, anidb, or even the 2nd season thread in this forum has no clear answer at all lol.
No one knows, and with this lack of information, I doubt it.
But this (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-12-17/new-haruhi-suzumiya-anime-series-details-revealed) was on ANN.
Reckoner
2008-03-01, 17:25
So like Monir stated, I also first got interested in Clannad largely for the family background of Tomoya. The bits that focused on that in this episode particularly were pretty good. It seems like Tomoya's father just doesn't feel it's ok to consider his future for him because he took away his dream of playing basketball. He is a man of regret and the only way he can become closer to Tomoya is if Tomoya opened himself up to him, which has yet to happen as well he feels hurt by his father. Perhaps learning to be part of an actual family will help him develop and he'll one day make peace with his father.
I'm going to have to support Skyfall in criticizing the sudden Nagisa personality warp. She could not of possibly developed that much between the last episodes and this one. It is utterly ridiculous that she was being so forceful.
This episode earns a borderline 8/10.
Deathscyther
2008-03-01, 17:59
I wouldn't say that the leap of her character development was that huge. I mean, she has been opening up more and more every episode. And we've seen this side of her shimmering through her at some occassions before, but she just wasn't confident enough at those times yet to really act confident and strong.
I think that the jump between this episode and the previous one was bigger than usual, but it isn't unrealistic. I think that it partly has to do with her finally creating the theater club and Tomoya's speech in the theater room. It gave her a lot of self-confidence. And she really agrees with Tomoya and thinks that she should give it her all from now on.
And she only acts like that (confident...and sometimes bossy XD ) when it comes to Tomoya. She's still kinda shy when it comes to her friends and other people. So it might have to do with her getting closer to Tomoya as well.
So her 'change (development)' in character might be sudden, but I think that it was built-up well.
germanturkey
2008-03-01, 18:03
not a very enjoyable ep. i'm hoping that Nagisa will eventually become more interesting, because as things are holding now, she's a boring and flat character. it'll probably get better as we dive into her arc, but i'm not hoping for much. the fact that they axed the rest of the characters from playing a part in the story means that it'll mostly be between Nagisa and Okazaki. the other characters, namely Kyou and Tomoyo, were a lot more colorful and injected a lot more life into the series. i have a feeling this series will let us down as we go into the final stretch.
note how the most entertaining scene in this ep was the sound effects scene, where it was Sunohora, Kyou, and Tomoyo that made the scene what it was.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-01, 18:06
But this (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-12-17/new-haruhi-suzumiya-anime-series-details-revealed) was on ANN.
Still doesn't give a release date.
But that's off topic.
I really liked the episode, but I deduct 2 points because I dont want to see another story arc on Nagisa.
Deathscyther
2008-03-01, 18:23
not a very enjoyable ep. i'm hoping that Nagisa will eventually become more interesting, because as things are holding now, she's a boring and flat character. it'll probably get better as we dive into her arc, but i'm not hoping for much. the fact that they axed the rest of the characters from playing a part in the story means that it'll mostly be between Nagisa and Okazaki. the other characters, namely Kyou and Tomoyo, were a lot more colorful and injected a lot more life into the series. i have a feeling this series will let us down as we go into the final stretch.
note how the most entertaining scene in this ep was the sound effects scene, where it was Sunohora, Kyou, and Tomoyo that made the scene what it was.
Nagisa's not flat...She's got a lot of personality already and she's still growing. It could be that you just don't like her character and that you like other characters better. I mean, we all have different characters that we like. But don't say that she's boring and flat because of that. Every character has their own weaknesses and strenghts, and Nagisa's weakness has been her lack in self-confidence. Tomoya has been helping her to get out of her shell, but she's still far from ready.
She's still developping as a character (and in this episode you could see how far she's come up to now), while Tomoyo and especially Kyou didn't really need much development for the personality. They were already outgoing people, while Nagisa was hiding in her shell before meeting Tomoya. Sure, we've learned a lot about those two as well, but their personality haven't much changed during the episodes.
Nagisa's arc is still beginning, so maybe you could learn to like her more too. I mean...I disliked Kotomi when I first saw her...but when her arc ended and we learned more about her, I liked her much more. And we've known from the start that the story was focusing on Tomoya and Nagisa mostly. It was apparent during the first couple of episodes.
And we've seen everyone's stories of the 5 main girls (for as far as was possible without the romance with the stories of the other girls) but we've seen practically nothing of Nagisa's past and such. Sure, she's been there during all the other arcs...and she's been developping during those times as well, but the only episodes that really focused on Nagisa were the first 3 episodes or so. So I'm looking forwards to the coming episodes^^
superzombie23
2008-03-01, 19:00
I can see a big difference in the way the characters were drawn and different soundtracks used. Looks like they used that one extra week for something.
Master Chibi
2008-03-01, 19:07
not a very enjoyable ep. i'm hoping that Nagisa will eventually become more interesting, because as things are holding now, she's a boring and flat character. it'll probably get better as we dive into her arc, but i'm not hoping for much. the fact that they axed the rest of the characters from playing a part in the story means that it'll mostly be between Nagisa and Okazaki. the other characters, namely Kyou and Tomoyo, were a lot more colorful and injected a lot more life into the series. i have a feeling this series will let us down as we go into the final stretch.
note how the most entertaining scene in this ep was the sound effects scene, where it was Sunohora, Kyou, and Tomoyo that made the scene what it was.
You LITERALLY read my mind.
I'm sure someone will neg rep for this too, but go figure when go against the grain here.
:eyespin:
Deathscyther
2008-03-01, 19:13
Lol, this episode has been a deciding factor. If you like Nagisa and Tomoya..then you'll probably like the rest of the season, because the rest of this season will probably be revolving around Nagisa and Tomoya. And if you don't like Nagisa...or Nagisa and Tomoya like this...then the rest of the season will be less entertaining that the first part of the series, I guess.
But we're still far from done, so let's just wait and see;)
Lol, this episode has been a deciding factor. If you like Nagisa and Tomoya..then you'll probably like the rest of the season, because the rest of this season will probably be revolving around Nagisa and Tomoya. And if you don't like Nagisa...or Nagisa and Tomoya like this...then the rest of the season will be less entertaining that the first part of the series, I guess.
But we're still far from done, so let's just wait and see;)
Ho ho ho so little do you know if you think its only gonna be Tomoya and Nagisa :)
RandomFlameStrike
2008-03-02, 00:52
Ho ho ho so little do you know if you think its only gonna be Tomoya and Nagisa :)
Well I guess more of the other characters won't be a bad thing (Is a Tomoyo and Kyou fan) but I wouldn't mind 3 eps of Nagisa x Tomoya since Nagisa's a very interesting character who gets some nice development. Besides Nagisa x Tomoya is the best pairing followed closely by Tomoya x Tomoyo in my opinion.
Kaioshin Sama
2008-03-02, 02:00
You mean you don't have that sign where you live? I always thought certain road signs are used worldwide.
Elsewhere the signs can vary to show a "P" in the center of the crossed out portion.
Also In Canada where I live they even vary between the provinces. Once you hit Quebec the signs start appearing all in French, so you better know the language or you are likely to get a ticket. Yeah they're nice that way.
germanturkey
2008-03-02, 02:25
i know she'll develop more as the rest of the season goes on, but there has been very little to make the viewers like her in the first 20 eps of the series. thus far, she's been portrayed as weak and unmotivated. only with the help of the entire supporting cast is she any interesting and assertive.
and yes, those who don't particularly like Nagisa probably won't enjoy the rest of the eps just because the main focus is her. they axed the rest of the characters they worked so hard to develop throughout the series and suddenly jump to the character who has received the least amount of development (bar fuko).
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Mirrinus
2008-03-02, 02:40
I understand if you personally don't like Nagisa, but it seems rather uninformed to state that there has been nothing to make viewers like her so far. I, for one, was very impressed with how she totally took the initiative to help Fuuko during Fuuko's arc, where she practically usurped the main character role from Tomoya for a time. I don't think you can say she's been simply portrayed as weak and unmotivated the whole way through.
germanturkey
2008-03-02, 03:11
thats why i said very little instead of nothing. she has had a few moments in the first 20 eps, but not nearly as much development as almost all the other characters.
DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-02, 03:17
I don't know about you, but I've found plenty of my own reasons to come to like Nagisa, other than that I think she's absolutely adorable.
For the perceived "lack of development" (which I personally don't agree with), I would attribute that to KyoAni's continued use of structuring the series into character arcs, as they did in Kanon and Air, although to a lesser extent. If you asked me, her development as a character has been very gradual, and only now are we seeing the acceleration of her growth due to her relationship with Tomoya.
ZXValaRevan
2008-03-02, 03:18
I gave this episode a 10/10, but maybe it's because I'm easy to please. While watching, I enjoyed it, and there wasn't anything about it that bothered me. The plot, and even character development s good, and even if I would rather it go other directions, ultimately it's up to the directors, and they've done a good job so far.
I don't know about you, but I've found plenty of my own reasons to come to like Nagisa, other than that I think she's absolutely adorable.
For the perceived "lack of development" (which I personally don't agree with), I would attribute that to KyoAni's continued use of structuring the series into character arcs, as they did in Kanon and Air, although to a lesser extent. If you asked me, her development as a character has been very gradual, and only now are we seeing the acceleration of her growth due to her relationship with Tomoya.
Thank you, I love you <.<;
MeoTwister5
2008-03-02, 04:05
thats why i said very little instead of nothing. she has had a few moments in the first 20 eps, but not nearly as much development as almost all the other characters.
Lol you probably weren't paying much attention then...:p
Yukinokesshou
2008-03-02, 04:13
I'm sure you've all heard the rumours that Clannad is going to be 22 episodes + an extra. Can someone please tell me the original source of this announcement? (I.e. The original press release in Japanese, not some unreferenced mention in a blog or forum). I don't see it on the official TBS site (http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/).
If it's really true, is it possible that Kyo Ani wants to make the extra unusually long, too long to fit into a normal 30 minute slot on TV? 2 TV episodes cannot do justice to the After Story but an extra season might be over-the-top. Hence, they chose a compromise: a movie-length special with movie-length pacing.
Or maybe the "extra" really refers to 2 or more episodes, like the AIR Summer Special? In which case, Kyo Ani is probably just giving itself more time to do a better job on the After Story.
I don't really know anything about extras. Perhaps they are NEVER movie-length. Perhaps "extra" ALWAYS refers to a single TV episode. In which case, I'm only an ignorant simpleton doing a bit of wishful thinking.
Of course I realise that no one knows what Kyo Ani is going to do. The question I'd like to ask is: is there any precedent for what I'm suggesting?
MeoTwister5
2008-03-02, 04:53
You might not even be able to stuff After Story in even 2 hours. By my guess and my play experience, even if you remove the mini-stories in the After Story you'd run through about 3 hours worth of animation, minimum.
Yukinokesshou
2008-03-02, 05:03
You might not even be able to stuff After Story in even 2 hours. By my guess and my play experience, even if you remove the mini-stories in the After Story you'd run through about 3 hours worth of animation, minimum.
Yes, but we're all thinking in terms of TV-episode pacing. If we think of movie pacing, however...
How much does Hayao Miyazaki squeeze into 2 hours? Quite a lot. And after those 2 hours, I feel like I "know" his characters more than I know the typical anime character after 24 episodes.
Does anyone see that this ep's quality is quite low? I mean...the art not really as good as before.
Kinny Riddle
2008-03-02, 07:11
I'm sure you've all heard the rumours that Clannad is going to be 22 episodes + an extra. Can someone please tell me the original source of this announcement? (I.e. The original press release in Japanese, not some unreferenced mention in a blog or forum). I don't see it on the official TBS site (http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/).
You'll have to ask panzerfan, he was the one to provide a magazine scan of the info.
Finally the long-awaited (2 weeks!) episode airs.
Nagisa being pushy torwards shaping up Tomoya's attitude made me chuckle. Even when she's annoyed, she's still adorable!
The Okazaki household and the Furukawa household is like night and day. I actually felt a pang of sorrow when I saw the look on Tomoya's dad's face when he finally left, and it looked like Tomoya was still pained while saying his goodbye... his dad really needs to get his act together.
At the Furukawa household, I don't know if it was the stark contrast in mood, Sanae and Akio, Nagisa, the situation, or the fact that I love the melody; but when the bgm started playing "Nagisa" I had this huge smile stuck on my face. :) It really is a warm and happy household, good for you Tomoya.
As for what Nagisa "did", I think I can make a pretty educated guess what it was based on the clues given so far:
1. Sanae showing her aptitude as a teacher (with Fuuko) and being a teacher once before.
2. Sanae opening her own tutoring center for kids at the present
3. Sanae's and Akio's age
4. Nagisa having an inherently weak body
Unless something new comes up of course. Which will probably happen no doubt.
The episode ends with an 'other world' scene... which is usually reserved for the beginning. Perhaps the mystery behind it will finally start to unfold soon.
Main Char / Supporting / Minor[TH]
Okazaki Tomoya
Furukawa Nagisa
Sunohara Youhei
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Ichinose Kotomi
Sakagami Tomoyo
Furukawa Akio
Furukawa Sanae
Okazaki Naoyuki
Koumura Toshio
"Mysterious World"19:35
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Main Char / Supporting / Minor
Okazaki Tomoya
Furukawa Nagisa
Ibuki Fuuko
Ichinose Kotomi
Sunohara Youhei
Fujibayashi Kyou
Fujibayashi Ryou
Sakagami Tomoyo
Furukawa Sanae
Furukawa Akio
Ibuki Kouko
Kotomi's Guardian
Sunohara Mei
"Mysterious World"
Miyazawa Yukine
Botan
Yoshino Yuuske
Sugisaka
Nishina Rie
Sagara Misae
Ichinose Koutarou
Ichinose Mizue
Toshio Koumura
Okazaki Naoyuki
Mitsui
Sakagami Takafumi
Kanako
6:03:04
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1:27:01
1:26:28
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Divini, I keep on forgetting to rep you for this hard work. I do have a question: Should Clannad really have a second series (touch wood it does), then would your compilation of each character's screentime start all over from 0 or do you continue from where you'll leave off at the end of this first series?
The interview to dirctor in many month ago have already told us the answer.
Dirctor said :'The most important story of clannad begin in the time when all people grow up,step into society,do self best for family,and the time in anime is long"
All these are the story of AS
Does anyone see that this ep's quality is quite low? I mean...the art not really as good as before.
Yeah, I agree... It's strange but it seemed like there was a difference in the animation quality of Nagisa and Tomoya... Tomoya seemed more detailed somehow...
I might just be imagining things though :heh:
I'm happy with this episode. I've enjoyed every previous episode, but have been unhappy with how certain things were handled. With every one else's arc out of the way, though, they're handling this really well.
I finally--finally--see the appropriate chemistry between Tomoya and Nagisa. This in itself would have been enough for me, but the touching on Nagisa and Tomoya's histories make them seem like more complete characters, and that really improves things.
This was important for Nagisa because without seeing more of her character, she did seem flat. Seem.
Tomoya did, as well, but this change for hiim is a surprise to me: As the lead in a VN like this, I fully expected him to not show this much unique personality. I think the KyoAni staff is doing a great job of turning a "reader/viewer avatar" into a more complete character without breaking identifiability.
I've just caught up to ep 19 in 3 days so excuse my late coming. Just wanted to say its been an enjoyable series so far and I would give this episode 8 or 9. I look foward to see how it pans out :)
Just finished episode 19…
Not that much happened in this episode, although Nagisa and Tomoya have become closer together by means of physical coercion location—living in the same house and under the permission/supervision of her parents **there are few people in this world whose parents would allow a friend of the opposite sex to do funny things under their noses to live in the same room house with the hope nothing would really happen as result** I couldn’t help myself watching how screwed is the relationship between Tomoya and his father when my situation is not that different from his. But hey, I’m not surrounded by 5+ bishoujos all harboring feelings for me, nor have I further the relationship with one of them to the point I have the permission (from her parents) to live in the same house. Tomoya should feel very lucky to have such a nice harem, but his life is not easy. Perhaps, this is the very reason why I can relate so much to the character he portrays—one who avoids the issues surrounding his family while wandering around as a notorious delinquent rather than facing his problems straight in the face.
This episode served very well as a side dish to the last episode—which I highly enjoyed—allowing some hints regarding Nagisa and the mysterious world to become the focus from now. We may hopefully have the blessing of a second season if the show is supposed to end after three more episodes (?).
On an unrelated, we have yet another version of Nagisa’s theme that I enjoy listening to.
the character he portrays—one who avoids the issues surrounding his family while wandering around as a notorious delinquent rather than facing his problems straight in the face.
You pretty much hit the nail. This is the reason I am liking Tomoya as a male lead so much. I have known people who did the hardest they could to avoid their own family's issues, while spending the most time with their friends, in a lesser extent, I am that way too.
Takuto19
2008-03-02, 21:05
9/10 for me on this episode.
Not as much emotion in this episodes as previous ones but still great none the less, thought Sunohara playing about with the sound effects part was great heh.
Looking forward to this weeks episode, seems were getting right into Nagisas arc now so should be great.
ZXValaRevan
2008-03-02, 22:12
Just finished episode 19…
Not that much happened in this episode, although Nagisa and Tomoya have become closer together by means of physical coercion location—living in the same house and under the permission/supervision of her parents **there are few people in this world whose parents would allow a friend of the opposite sex to do funny things under their noses to live in the same room house with the hope nothing would really happen as result** I couldn’t help myself watching how screwed is the relationship between Tomoya and his father when my situation is not that different from his. But hey, I’m not surrounded by 5+ bishoujos all harboring feelings for me, nor have I further the relationship with one of them to the point I have the permission (from her parents) to live in the same house. Tomoya should feel very lucky to have such a nice harem, but his life is not easy. Perhaps, this is the very reason why I can relate so much to the character he portrays—one who avoids the issues surrounding his family while wandering around as a notorious delinquent rather than facing his problems straight in the face.
This episode served very well as a side dish to the last episode—which I highly enjoyed—allowing some hints regarding Nagisa and the mysterious world to become the focus from now. We may hopefully have the blessing of a second season if the show is supposed to end after three more episodes (?).
On an unrelated, we have yet another version of Nagisa’s theme that I enjoy listening to.
I'm gonna have to agree on this point. That was one of the reasons this episode was so interesting. There's something likeable and identifiable about Tomoya and the way he helps all sorts of other people with their problems, encouraging them and aiding them, while running away from (or at least holding at arms length) his own problems.
10/10, I liked this episode. A bit slow, but any Nagisa screen time makes me happy. +_+
Sinestra
2008-03-02, 22:45
God Nagisa and tomoya are cute together having them in the same house and watching them act like family is like a crack addiction.
This episode was nice turn of events. With those 2 living together, we can hope for that connection we've been waiting for to develop.
Also, what's with the whole 22 episode thing now? Wasn't it supposed to be 24? (Excuse me if this question has been asked a lot.)
germanturkey
2008-03-02, 23:29
some of us are saying 22 because we're still unsure if they're going to animate after story or not, which would require a minimum of 2 eps to do. i think
Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-02, 23:35
some of us are saying 22 because we're still unsure if they're going to animate after story or not, which would require a minimum of 2 eps to do. i think
6, actually.
Divini, I keep on forgetting to rep you for this hard work. I do have a question: Should Clannad really have a second series (touch wood it does), then would your compilation of each character's screentime start all over from 0 or do you continue from where you'll leave off at the end of this first series?
For my opinion on a second series I'm not qualified to say... I did play the game a bit but I know nothing of the after story.
For your second question I'd probably do both. (I love this series THAT much) :D
Sorrow-K
2008-03-03, 05:22
Divini, I keep on forgetting to rep you for this hard work. I do have a question: Should Clannad really have a second series (touch wood it does), then would your compilation of each character's screentime start all over from 0 or do you continue from where you'll leave off at the end of this first series?
For my opinion on a second series I'm not qualified to say... I did play the game a bit but I know nothing of the after story.
For your second question I'd probably do both. (I love this series THAT much) :D
It's an interesting question, that I'm curious to see answered, though. If it requires spoilers, could gamers send me a PM (minimal spoilers please, just enough info to answer the question).
22 episodes, eh. I'm really not sure what to think. If they manage to wrap everything up, and leave no loose ends, I guess that's all I can ask for, but I still feel a tad as if we've been sold a bit short. If it results in a second season, well, that's a real bonus, but any retcon at the beginning of that season would really cripple it, IMO.
As for this episode, it really felt like it went by in a flash. It was one of those few episodes where I completely lost track of time while watching it, which is something I always consider to be a good thing, since it means I'm so absorbed. The relationship between Okazaki and Nagisa and how it effects both characters has always been one of the most interesting things for me in this series. As far as Nagisa's change is concerned, I was happy enough to swallow it. The change itself might have been relatively quick, but it happened because of a culmination of events and time spent with Okazaki, as opposed to one single event, as other more cliched series sometimes resort to. If a character undergoes a sudden change for no reason, or because of a single event, then I'd say it's out-of-character (especially if it's not accompanied by an epiphany of some nature). If it happens because of a number of events over the course of the story, then I'm not as willing to complain, even if the change itself is rapid. Although this example isn't exactly relevant in this case, sometimes people really need to be pushed into a corner before they'll act. It's kinda the same thing here.
I wish the animation was always as good as it is in the other world scenes.
I wish the animation was always as good as it is in the other world scenes.
Their budget would disappear so fast that they'd be out of money in three episodes.
Sorrow-K
2008-03-03, 06:53
Their budget would disappear so fast that they'd be out of money in three episodes.
Hey, if it's good enough for Gainax...
Obviously it's too much to ask for the animation to remain at that particular level, but this has been somewhat more inconsistent than previous KyoAni works, even from the beginning, which is a minor disappointment. I've always thought that, of all the KyoAni works made to date, Air has had the best animation, with Haruhi and FMP:TSR only slightly behind. Nothing I've seen in Clannad has made me change my mind on that... even if the other world scenes are mindblowingly spectacular.
Thanks to Skyfall for the very comprehensive answer to my question in PM. I didn't read the heavy spoiler, but the explanation is appreciated nonetheless.
GreatTeacherKen
2008-03-03, 20:32
Watching this episode, I realized one thing, I want to see Nagisa angry more. Seriously, I can't imagine anyone who looks cuter angry than Nagisa. :love:
In terms of animation, well the Air, FMP TSR, and Haruhi are shorter so I imagine it's easier to spread out the budget amongst those shows than it would be a longer series. I don't know what the budget is for those shows compared to this one so it'd be harder for me to go more in depth than that.
Sterling01
2008-03-03, 20:51
Nagisa Angry = Moe
Youhei + Synthetizer = LOL
Even though the animation was off at some points. It was still a great EP.
Yukinokesshou
2008-03-05, 02:37
There are some rather significant differences between the two translations in Ep 19. Consider the two scenes below: lines with different meanings are italicised. Can someone who's good at Japanese please tell us which translation is better for each of these examples?
Sprocket - In the staff room
04.55 Counsellor: This is an interesting picture.
04.57 Consellor: For Okazaki to be chasing after girls...
05.01 Okazaki: It's not really like...
05.03 Nagisa: I usually pull him around.
05.07 Counsellor: Okazaki, you sure are in high spirits, aren't you?
SS Eclipse - In the staff room (with almost the opposite meanings!)
04.55 Counsellor: This is an amusing scene.
04.57 Counsellor: Okazaki being tamed by a girl.
05.01 Okazaki: It isn't like that.
05.03 Nagisa: Usually, he's the one who takes care of me.
05.07 Counsellor: Okazaki has changed a little.
Sprocket - In the Furukawas' guest room
12.10 Nagisa: You can't leave it unmade, okay?
12.13 Okazaki: You're quite the maid, aren't you?
12.16 Nagisa: Not at all. I do as much as I can myself.
SS Eclipse - In the Furukawas' guest room (a less significant difference)
12.10 Nagisa: You can't leave it out all the time, okay?
12.13 Okazaki: You're actually a pragmatist, eh?
12.16 Nagisa: That's not true.
12.17 Nagisa: I have my hands full with my own stuff.
So... yes, which is more accurate? :p
Addendum
What proportion of fansubbers and fansub-viewers are in the US? I find it very awkward whenever fansubs use "sophomores, juniors and seniors" to refer to Japanese high school years. For me as a non-American, first-year, second-year and third-year are not only literal translations, but also much more natural.
Incidentally, the 6+3+3 division of school years could quite possibly be the most widespread around the world. It is used in much of Eastern Asia - including China - and Eastern Europe. Surprisingly, it is virtually absent from the Anglosphere (though Hong Kong will soon drop the British 6+5+2 system and adopt the Chinese 6+3+3 system).
tripperazn
2008-03-05, 02:49
There are some rather significant differences between the two translations in Ep 19. Consider the two scenes below: lines with different meanings are italicised. Can someone who's good at Japanese please tell us which translation is better for each of these examples?
Addendum
What proportion of fansubbers and fansub-viewers are in the US? I find it very awkward whenever fansubs use "sophomores, juniors and seniors" to refer to Japanese high school years. For me as a non-American, first-year, second-year and third-year are not only literal translations, but also much more natural.
Incidentally, the 6+3+3 division of school years is possibly the most widespread around the world. It's used in much of Eastern Europe and Eastern Asia - including China, a fifth of the world there! Surprisingly, it is virtually absent from the Anglosphere (though Hong Kong will soon drop the British 6+5+2 system and adopt the Chinese 6+3+3 system).
In all cases, I feel that SS/Eclipse is closer to the original meaning.
Some notes: 5:03 it's a combination of both "He usually pulls me around."
5:07 roughly means "changed for the better". "marui" is calmer, as opposed to his delinquent days.
***these are the literal phrases for clarification, I'm not saying these are mistakes.
12:13 It literally means "You're unexpectedly nosy." 世話焼き means a "meddlesome person" and that's what he calls Nagisa for doing all this for him and making sure he sees the teacher. So, in this case neither, the only actual error in the SS/Eclipse version that I found.
I also feel that using the 4 year American terms is misleading, do you use sophomore or junior for 2nd years?
Yukinokesshou
2008-03-05, 02:59
Thanks a lot, tripperazn!!
Sometimes the literal translation is still the best, eh? :p
todkapuz
2008-03-05, 03:26
Thanks a lot, tripperazn!!
Sometimes the literal translation is still the best, eh? :p
Some people do, some people do not... I personally tend to lean that way (more literal) ... but then again I do have a working understanding of Japanese (very far from fluent, sadly though) .. and I perfer the quirks of their thought construction ...
Both seem fairly reasonable to me (I've found quite wonderful things in both.. but as of now I only keep Sproket/WH for varous reasons) ....
I'll agree in the first one it seems more a "being tamed by a woman" and then the sensei seems to say that this is for the better ..
For the guest room, first time I saw it RAW .. I thouht he called her a house-wife / servant (as in not a wife, but a housekeeper) ... and Nagisa just says taht that's not true, she just wants to do everything she can. Then Okazaki kinda complains that she's always overly worried about everyone else (at which point I want to ask him what is he doing?) .. and she goes "is that so?"
that's just my take... take it or leave it.
that's just before my favorite part of this episode I think .... when they are leaving, and Nagisa making him say they are leaving to both Sanae-san and Ossan...er Pops.... and Pop's perfect response to it.
KasumiGirl
2008-03-05, 03:45
About the 22 + 1 eps...
"Of the twenty-four episodes, there are twenty-two regular episodes, followed by an additional extra episode, and the last episode will be released as an original video animation on the eighth DVD on July 16, 2008."
Taken from the Anime paragraph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clannad_(visual_novel)#Anime) from Wiki.
As you may or may not know, wiki information is not to be taken too seriously if it doesn't come with a proper source.
Yukinokesshou
2008-03-05, 11:14
As you may or may not know, wiki information is not to be taken too seriously if it doesn't come with a proper source.
Well, the Japanese Wikipedia says the same thing. I'm beginning to believe that this information is true, but I'd still like an official source.
Two months before the Fruits Basket manga ended, there were rumours every week about the next installation being the last. As it turned out, the mangaka wrote a whole extra volume after the rumours started. And once upon a time, the English Wikipedia article on Rozen Maiden was almost certain about there being a third season... but that never materialised. So yes, an official source would be appreciated :p
To Todkapuz:
Thanks for your input! Haha, my grasp of spoken Japanese is pitiful. Written Japanese is so much easier to understand with the kanji. That's why I'm constantly pissed off when "Japanese for Beginners" textbooks are in hiragana only! >_<
I also feel that using the 4 year American terms is misleading, do you use sophomore or junior for 2nd years?
Sophomore.
tripperazn
2008-03-05, 20:00
Sophomore.
No, that wasn't asking about the American system. My point was that there is no consistency. I've seen subbers use both Sophomore and Junior for 2nd years, there is a lack of consistency in terminology in addition to the fact that not everyone who watches these are American and understands that system of rank. Therefore, first/second/third year is generally the better option.
Sorry for the confusion.
KasumiGirl
2008-03-06, 01:55
As you may or may not know, wiki information is not to be taken too seriously if it doesn't come with a proper source.
Yes, but i've been searching around and this is the most realist news about Clannad eps so far. This may be false information, but it does seem reasonable.
I guess to confirm anything we should just wait until further notice. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I've head about that as well myself, it's just that a more reliable source would put to rest all the doubts left in our minds.
No, that wasn't asking about the American system. My point was that there is no consistency. I've seen subbers use both Sophomore and Junior for 2nd years, there is a lack of consistency in terminology in addition to the fact that not everyone who watches these are American and understands that system of rank. Therefore, first/second/third year is generally the better option.
Sorry for the confusion.
Well, I guess that's what I get for posting while trying not to fall asleep in class. Damn you, Macroeconomics...
The Chaos
2008-03-12, 23:45
Good Ep...I Like it
I Give it 9/10
konstargirl
2008-07-16, 06:27
The episode was very interesting.I was a little random but its good. :p I gave it a 9.
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