[Manga] Claymore Chapter 78 Discussion

[Blackbird]

Yeah, I guess we're just different. For me, if I read it all in one go, I would be left feeling very satisfied, and then would go on to my next project. I know that if I can finish it now, I won't forget and miss new updates, and then end up not reading the rest cause I forgot about it. (I have bad memory, so I know it's not like that for other people.) I like to savor my manga a little at a time, but I also like to gorge on it all at once. Does that make sense?
I was just amazed at your patience. Please don't take it the wrong way.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I empathise with both of you, but could you feel satisfied if the end was rushed, like the anime *shudders*, best to leave the person creating it, to be creative, even if we do miss it for a month... though i have to admit if i had a time machine i wouldn't be waiting around, i'd have to speculate and look for innuendo elsewhere anyway.

Hello to silver eyed killer and welcome, just ignore half the stuff i say i speculate endlessly.

[tenken627]

I'm not worried about Claymore not being finished, and I do still want quality in it.

I'm more worried that by 2013, I'll be old :(.

My perfect scenario would be if Yagi-san takes a long extended break to work on the story without releasing anything. Then publish his finished work weekly.

That way maybe we can shorten the time length down by a year or two.

And that way, he can totally immerse himself into writing another series.

[hell88]

Hey thats a good idea.

[Zsych]

Let him figure out the story and then call in the guys who did the anime to do the drawing for this.

[King Lycan]

NOOOOO Madhouse i don't want an other f'ed up ending in claymore :p
BUt i can wait if Irene is sure to be alive

[Vinak]

I wouldn't complain if Yagi somehow managed to start releasing Claymore weekly if it's quality didn't diminish.

Just as long as Raki doesn't show up and tell everybody to stop fighting and we all should just get along and love everybody than the Manga should still be good. :)

_________

I swear...did the animators even remember the part where Youma ate Raki's family? I am not convinced he would cling to Priscilla and protect her from Clare...The Girl that saved his life. Especially after learning that she is actually an awakened being. He only knew Priscilla for how long? hours? few days?

I know what it is....He just got P---- whipped....that explains why he wanted to protect her after only knowing her for such a short time. :love:

can't blame him really...Clare never let Raki get real close.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I think Zysche was referring to the quality of the art on the anime as opposed to the storyline where it diverged from the manga...

Anyhow since i'm bored has anyone got any idea why tabitha is doing the scanning for the group and not Clare since she's got Galatea's range. Yeah i know she showed how good she was in the last chapter, but i can't figure out why Clare's keeping her mouth shut...

[Vinak]

maybe she is hiding her abilities in case she is betrayed. trust seems to big an issue with Clare.
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sucks...this thread died...going two months without a new chapter really dries up the discussions.

[Anh_Minh]

She doesn't have Galatea's range. And it's quite possible that Tabitha outranges Clare. Seems she felt Riful first.

What we know is that, at a distance where Galatea can read emotions, Clare can faintly feel a presence. So it'd be Miria < Clare < Galatea.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I'm probably wrong, but i thought ermita said to Galatea "You're the only one who can sense yoma energy from this distance", and Galatea said "Ah...so she can sense me from that far, but she's not sure it seems". I put that down to the difference in experience, and intention at the time, Galatea was called in to sense them, Clare just managed to notice it, without consciously looking for it. With regard to Riful later on Galatea said "if you check the yoma energy wavelength...you should be able to do it too, you're good at reading yoma energy aren't you?" Does this not imply that Clare can sense the detail to Galatea's level and have Galatea's range? Their fighting styles are similar too, except Clare concentrates on minimal evasion instead of minimal manipulation. And both seem to rely on reading detailed energy use/flow, Clare even manipulated Jean out of her awakened body on her first attempt at yoki manipulation, as opposed to Galatea who actively manipulates every time she fights.
Tabitha was actively scanning at the time Riful turns up and we can see Helen, Cynthia and Clare noticing Riful before Tabitha gets her next words out, also Clare names it as Riful straight off the bat, yet later we see Miria seeking confirmation from Galatea on Tabitha's statement, and even you agree that Miria has less perception than Clare, so it begs the question why Clare's keeping quiet about this ability. We probably won't know until Galatea says something in the next chapter, just wondered what you guys thought... Riful implies that it's the sensor types that can manipulate yoma energy, which put's three of them in the party of eight, if Tabitha is as competent as it seems...

[Anh_Minh]

I'm probably wrong, but i thought ermita said to Galatea "You're the only one who can sense yoma energy from this distance", and Galatea said "Ah...so she can sense me from that far, but she's not sure it seems". I put that down to the difference in experience, and intention at the time, Galatea was called in to sense them, Clare just managed to notice it, without consciously looking for it.
I'm not sure experience would help that much. Reading emotions? Experience. Sensing at all? Range.

And after Clare felt a flicker, she scanned more carefully. She still failed to catch Galatea. (Who may have been suppressing herself, so maybe that explains it - but there's still no evidence their ranges are the same.)

With regard to Riful later on Galatea said "if you check the yoma energy wavelength...you should be able to do it too, you're good at reading yoma energy aren't you?" Does this not imply that Clare can sense the detail to Galatea's level and have Galatea's range?
Not at all. It only says that the task Galatea gives Clare is one any Claymore who's good at sensing ought to be able to do. Well, maybe not any Claymore. Maybe Galatea is confident Clare can do it because she knows Clare's good even for a "sensing type". But, again, that gives no indication Clare has anywhere near Galatea's range.

Their fighting styles are similar too, except Clare concentrates on minimal evasion instead of minimal manipulation. And both seem to rely on reading detailed energy use/flow, Clare even manipulated Jean out of her awakened body on her first attempt at yoki manipulation, as opposed to Galatea who actively manipulates every time she fights.
Yes. We've established they're both sensing type. Which apparently is the same as being able to manipulate youki.

Tabitha was actively scanning at the time Riful turns up and we can see Helen, Cynthia and Clare noticing Riful before Tabitha gets her next words out, also Clare names it as Riful straight off the bat, yet later we see Miria seeking confirmation from Galatea on Tabitha's statement, and even you agree that Miria has less perception than Clare, so it begs the question why Clare's keeping quiet about this ability.
What ability has she kept quiet about? I wouldn't read too deep into Miria asking Galatea. It was just courtesy for the "God Eye", it's not that she didn't trust Tabitha.

As for Clare identifying Riful - duh. Of all the ghosts, she was the only one to have face Riful before. Also, remember that Riful moves very fast. How much closer was she, from the moment Tabitha sensed her, to the one Clare did?

[Vinak]

I'm not sure experience would help that much. Reading emotions? Experience. Sensing at all? Range.

And after Clare felt a flicker, she scanned more carefully. She still failed to catch Galatea. (Who may have been suppressing herself, so maybe that explains it - but there's still no evidence their ranges are the same.)

the simple fact Clare was able to sense Galatea is evidence enough to suggest Clare's sensing range is close to Galatea's . she just needs practice and training to increase it's accuracy. Miria even says she scanned the area before the battle to make sure nobody was watching and said the area was clear. Galatea was even walking away from the fight when Clare noticed her.

Not at all. It only says that the task Galatea gives Clare is one any Claymore who's good at sensing ought to be able to do. Well, maybe not any Claymore. Maybe Galatea is confident Clare can do it because she knows Clare's good even for a "sensing type". But, again, that gives no indication Clare has anywhere near Galatea's range.
no, not every Claremore can/is good at sensing Youma energy. just look at current number 3 and 5 and the new 47. none of them were good at sensing Youma energy and at times it seems like Clarice's ability to sense energy disappears altogether. plus we have all the trainee's from extra chapter that couldn't sense anything.

As for Clare identifying Riful - duh. Of all the ghosts, she was the only one to have face Riful before. Also, remember that Riful moves very fast. How much closer was she, from the moment Tabitha sensed her, to the one Clare did? how quick Riful was moving is irrelevant. they all seemed to notice her right away. Clare of course knew who it was because she met Riful in the past.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I get the feeling i'm really bad at explaining myself, but at least this is better than nothing here on this forum... i hope.

I meant when ermita mentions distance, he don't believe any other claymore can sense back over that distance, Miria certainly couldn't and Galatea wanted to get closer to get a better reading, which he warns against, yet Clare *could* sense Galatea at that distance, which means she's up with Galatea on 'distance'. Something the mib's didn't know about incidentally.

I probably seemed confusing because of the use of 'range' which i shall from this point onwards only use to describe the ability to measure frequencies... <sigh> Galatea says Clare is good and knows she can sense in detail, which i think means that she is capable of reading exactly what Galatea can read, so this i should have said implies the combination of detail/range and distance.

What ability has she kept quiet about? I wouldn't read too deep into Miria asking Galatea. It was just courtesy for the "God Eye", it's not that she didn't trust Tabitha.

I meant that the group of ghosts rely on Tabitha as their eye, and she certainly can sense detail/range at the proficiency of Galatea, but we don't know what her distance is because it hasn't been compared yet. But Clare has both of those abilities, yet is either not used as an eye because she's untrustworthy, or she is generally keeping quiet about it.

Tabitha's scanning distance certainly wasn't proved exclusively at that time because it seems that when Riful popped up Cynthia, Helen and Clare all sensed it at the same time, yet Clare had identified the aura and was beginning to tell the others even before Tabitha had confirmed the direction. So it leads to the question why wasn't Clare asked to scan, and later in the fight against Agatha, Tabitha was pointedly standing back and whether it was courtesy or not Miria asks Galatea for confirmation on info she could've got as easily from Clare who seemed to also be standing back until the human form was exposed...

Sorry for doubling up on what Vinak says... took me a minute or two to write this properly

[Anh_Minh]

the simple fact Clare was able to sense Galatea is evidence enough to suggest Clare's sensing range is close to Galatea's . she just needs practice and training to increase it's accuracy. Miria even says she scanned the area before the battle to make sure nobody was watching and said the area was clear. Galatea was even walking away from the fight when Clare noticed her.

I assume that the range at which one can sense people is bigger than the one at which one can read their emotions. If, say, the latter is 80% of the former, then Clare's range is roughly 80% of Galatea's.

no, not every Claremore can/is good at sensing Youma energy. just look at current number 3 and 5 and the new 47. none of them were good at sensing Youma energy and at times it seems like Clarice's ability to sense energy disappears altogether. plus we have all the trainee's from extra chapter that couldn't sense anything.
I didn't say every Claymore was good. I said, those who are good could have done what Galatea asked of Clare. And that Galatea knew that Clare was of that type - good at sensing.

how quick Riful was moving is irrelevant. they all seemed to notice her right away. Clare of course knew who it was because she met Riful in the past.
That was used as an argument to say Clare was as good or better at sensing far away as Tabitha.
I get the feeling i'm really bad at explaining myself, but at least this is better than nothing here on this forum... i hope.

I meant when ermita mentions distance, he don't believe any other claymore can sense back over that distance, Miria certainly couldn't and Galatea wanted to get closer to get a better reading, which he warns against, yet Clare *could* sense Galatea at that distance, which means she's up with Galatea on 'distance'. Something the mib's didn't know about incidentally.
Why would Ermita pay attention to a #47? Considering her rank, she may never have been measure properly, especially since she started working. Her range may have improved since.

I probably seemed confusing because of the use of 'range' which i shall from this point onwards only use to describe the ability to measure frequencies... <sigh> Galatea says Clare is good and knows she can sense in detail, which i think means that she is capable of reading exactly what Galatea can read, so this i should have said implies the combination of detail/range and distance.
It implies that Clare is better than average, and good enough for the task at hand.If you see, say, Zidane compliment a kid on his ball control, it doesn't mean the kid is as good as Zidane.


I meant that the group of ghosts rely on Tabitha as their eye, and she certainly can sense detail/range at the proficiency of Galatea, but we don't know what her distance is because it hasn't been compared yet. But Clare has both of those abilities, yet is either not used as an eye because she's untrustworthy, or she is generally keeping quiet about it.
Or because her range is just better. And because Clare may have other tasks, like kicking butt.

Clare's never been that shy about showing off her sensing ability. She used it in the Slashers, so the Fab Four know she can use it to predict moves. Earlier in that arc, she said she'd sensed Miria and her troop from far away, and relied on them to take care of the escapee. Like "You know, before you even sensed me fighting, I knew you were coming."

Tabitha's scanning distance certainly wasn't proved exclusively at that time because it seems that when Riful popped up Cynthia, Helen and Clare all sensed it at the same time, yet Clare had identified the aura and was beginning to tell the others even before Tabitha had confirmed the direction.
Identifying Riful's aura may not be as hard as locating it precisely, especially as she was moving fast at the time.

So it leads to the question why wasn't Clare asked to scan,
Why would they? If Tabitha has a better range, why ask Clare? Unless they were specifically looking for Riful, of course, which they weren't.

and later in the fight against Agatha, Tabitha was pointedly standing back and whether it was courtesy or not Miria asks Galatea for confirmation on info she could've got as easily from Clare who seemed to also be standing back until the human form was exposed...

But Clare isn't the God Eye. Besides, it's not really "confirmation" she was asking. She was asking if Galatea could say anything else.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I assume that the range at which one can sense people is bigger than the one at which one can read their emotions. If, say, the latter is 80% of the former, then Clare's range is roughly 80% of Galatea's.

I'd assume you either can or can't sense someone, the emotion part is extrapolation based on the flow sensed, Clare sensed she was being watched, Tabitha sensed rachel taking a stance, Galatea sensed Helen gesturing, the rest is just based on experience...

Why would Ermita pay attention to a #47? Considering her rank, she may never have been measure properly, especially since she started working. Her range may have improved since.


<rolls eyes> Well seems like he hadn't done his homework for his mission if that was the case, that aside the assumption is that not one claymore out of the 46 that aren't Galatea could sense at that distance, let alone any of the four on the mission in question, and Miria is a cautious single digit, which would explain why Galatea couldn't get closer.

Clare's never been that shy about showing off her sensing ability. She used it in the Slashers, so the Fab Four know she can use it to predict moves. Earlier in that arc, she said she'd sensed Miria and her troop from far away, and relied on them to take care of the escapee. Like "You know, before you even sensed me fighting, I knew you were coming."


See this is what i mean, Clare's actually fast now so no one can tell that she's using yoki sensing, back in the slashers she couldn't hold her offense and defence at the same time, so it stuck out, and when she met Miria first time round, the hunting team was close, but couldn't sense her because she wasn't using any yoki, it wasn't like they would have sensed her fighting at all, she had to supress her yoma energy to use her perception.

So it's not like she's not using her perception right now, it's just she ain't sharing the info, which is what i'm asking about. Galatea added nothing to the information that Tabitha had already provided, Miria pretty much knew that, why bother asking for anything else, if she really expected something else why ask a relative stranger when Clare was right there as well, but apart from telling the others about Riful and using it in combat she hasn't passed on any info to the rest at all. Clare led the attack on Agatha before she created her facade, and then left the rest to deal with it and hung back, till her true form was isolated, left Tabitha to do all the reading too, but i don't think for an instant she couldn't see/read what was going on. She just wasn't fighting as a team member...

[Anh_Minh]

I'd assume you either can or can't sense someone, the emotion part is extrapolation based on the flow sensed, Clare sensed she was being watched, Tabitha sensed rachel taking a stance, Galatea sensed Helen gesturing, the rest is just based on experience...
And Galatea said she had problems making out some details because of the distance. That she could sense better from closer.


<rolls eyes> Well seems like he hadn't done his homework for his mission if that was the case, that aside the assumption is that not one claymore out of the 46 that aren't Galatea could sense at that distance, let alone any of the four on the mission in question, and Miria is a cautious single digit, which would explain why Galatea couldn't get closer.
What homework? He knows Galatea is far and away the best at sensing. He, as a MiB, has a pretty good idea of how far a non-eye Claymore can sense. OTOH, there may not be that much data specifically collected about Clare. They may never have bothered to collect it. So why would he know her range?



See this is what i mean, Clare's actually fast now so no one can tell that she's using yoki sensing, back in the slashers she couldn't hold her offense and defence at the same time, so it stuck out, and when she met Miria first time round, the hunting team was close, but couldn't sense her because she wasn't using any yoki, it wasn't like they would have sensed her fighting at all, she had to supress her yoma energy to use her perception.

So it's not like she's not using her perception right now, it's just she ain't sharing the info, which is what i'm asking about.
Uh... What? She's supposed to explain her moves? To whom? I mean, I know taking a break in a fight to give a lengthy explanation of your powers (and limitations) is common in shounen manga, but it's not precisely a moral obligation, is it?

Galatea added nothing to the information that Tabitha had already provided, Miria pretty much knew that, why bother asking for anything else, if she really expected something else why ask a relative stranger when Clare was right there as well, but apart from telling the others about Riful and using it in combat she hasn't passed on any info to the rest at all.
Because she had nothing to add either. Besides, unlike Galatea, Clare wasn't interrupted in mid-explanation. I really don't see why Miria would want to ask Clare. If nothing else, if Clare had something to say, she'd say it.

Clare led the attack on Agatha before she created her facade, and then left the rest to deal with it and hung back, till her true form was isolated, left Tabitha to do all the reading too, but i don't think for an instant she couldn't see/read what was going on. She just wasn't fighting as a team member...
Or she let Tabitha do her thing instead of talking at the same time (what good would have come of that?), and held herself in reserve, either for an opportunity or an unforeseen danger. (Not that she didn't drop the ball when she let Agatha take Galatea hostage, but whatever. I guess the author wanted a dramatic rescue.)

I really don't see why you think she's keeping her sensing ability a secret.

[Sci-Fi]

Miria deferred to Galatea over Tabitha's analysis as a courtesy to someone that is higher ranked and who typically would be the 'leader'. Galatea brushed off her rank as something she gave up and let Miria and the gang do their thing. Miria knew the analysis was correct.

Tabitha seems to give detailed intel with her long range sensing and doing this all without using any yoki. Wish we knew what Cynthia and Yuma enhanced abilities were. In any case, the G7 members should specialize in something that adds to the group. They did train together for 7 years, so as a group or team, they can rely on each other and use their combined abilities to accomplish their goals. It would be a bit much if Clare did everything well at this point in the story and gives panel time to the other G7 members.

Given that Clare met Riful before, it was easy for her to ID her and sent Helen into shock over sensing an AO for the 1st time...lol.

[Vinak]

what you think the chances are for Mitia to walk up to Clare and say she smells like 3 different people in the next chapter? And Clare going into cardiac arrest afterwards? (is shocked)

[gnc742]

After the Agatha problem. Do you think Miata and Clarice will return to their mission?

[chibamonster]

I don't think they will be allowed to with the ghosts there. I am very interested to see what happens with Clarice and Miata though. They are big potential problem for the future of the story considering that Miata is super tough, can track the ghosts anywhere, is immune to their youki cloak surprise attack style and can be on pills making her undetectable by anyone but Galatea.

[King Lycan]

what you think the chances are for Mitia to walk up to Clare and say she smells like 3 different people in the next chapter? And Clare going into cardiac arrest afterwards? (is shocked)

woo and she says that she as smelt the smell of her arm recently :uhoh::uhoh:

[gnc742]

will they release chapters 79 and 80 on May 4th? or just 79 alone?

thnks..

[Anh_Minh]

The youki pills aren't perfect. Tabitha and Clare, at least, should be able to feel Miata once she's close enough. Of course, her being close enough is a problem all by itself.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Well that got a conversation going... :)
What's wrong with the youki pills?, i thought Clarice and Miata stopped using them once they were close to Galatea, Miata used yoma energy to fight and heal her arms, so she wasn't on them at the time surely?...
I was just pointing out that Clare led the assault on Agatha, like every top ranking claymore fighting an AB with a team, but as soon as the facade went up Miria took charge, and Clare stepped back... i thought that was odd, or *very* understanding...

[Anh_Minh]

What's the point of using the pills at all, if they're going to stop once they're close? The only reason they were using it all the time was that they couldn't be sure when they'd run into Galatea.

I think Miata's just strong enough to shrug off the effects of the pills. But Galatea was able to sense her and Clarice before that. Jean, also, was almost able to sense Clare who was under pills.

[chibamonster]

I think Miata and Clarice were still on the pills because Agatha lost track of Clarice who also got a surprise attack in while she had no youki signature. As Anh_Minh said I think Miata could just overpower the effects of the pills. Clare and Tabitha might be able to sense someone on the pills although it would not do much good against Miata because she can always sense them and find them anyway. Although Galatea was able to manipulate her youki even while she was on pills it did not do much good once Miata got more serious. Also I think Beth's youki is cloaked like Raphaela's which might pose a problem for the ghosts.

[Sci-Fi]

Well that got a conversation going... :)
What's wrong with the youki pills?, i thought Clarice and Miata stopped using them once they were close to Galatea, Miata used yoma energy to fight and heal her arms, so she wasn't on them at the time surely?...
I was just pointing out that Clare led the assault on Agatha, like every top ranking claymore fighting an AB with a team, but as soon as the facade went up Miria took charge, and Clare stepped back... i thought that was odd, or *very* understanding...

It has been debated that Clare beat Miria in their little fight up North and thus became the de facto leader by Claymore standards. It was Miria that stopped and said she would join Clare to go south and gave up being the G7's leader, so some feel she conceded. BUT everybody seems to defer to Miria since she's been leading them for 7 years AND has more experience. In Clare's contest with Flora, Clare doesn't seem to want to be bothered with being a 'leader' of a team, although she fought anyways. Flora hinted that Clare had an edge but it was pretty close until Clare said accuracy made Flora the winner.

The Yoki pills suppresses it and changes their eye color, but it doesn't seem to stop a Claymore from tapping into their yoki when they want or need to. Some say the pills have side effects and 'may' accelerate the awakening process. How long the pills last was explained but it doesn't seem to be consistent with what we've read in the manga. Clare changing back almost immediately in the Witches Maw after the fodder Claymore made it back to town and asked her to save Jean and the others and we've seen Miata use her yoki in Rabona after finding Galatea. Plus there was a question about Clare when she was going to face off with that Yoma in Rabona if the pill time limit had passed. Doesn't seem to lessen the impact of the story/arc, so most just let it pass.

[chibamonster]

I never thought there was an issue with the consistency of the youki pill time period so I had to double check after reading your post Sci-Fi. Clare says that the pills last about half a day (volume 2 page 52) so she always carries more with her. They seem to work very quickly as seen in Rabona. Clare was running low on pills when she first saw Jean and took a few of them out meaning she might have dosed right then. 12 hours for Jeans team to leave, get destroyed, and one to escape back to town seems reasonable to me especially with Clare doing her day long Raki investigation. It may have even been less time than that if she had dosed before hand.

Clare in Rabona seemed to wait until night time when her claymore-vision was active. After her first failed attempt on the youma she did not take the pills again as shown when all the priests saw her silver eyes. The biggest complaint that happens with the suppressant pills is the inability to read the youki of enemies. It seems youki can still be used with pills in the system because EVERY claymore in Pieta was on half a pill which includes Clare's partial limb awakening. There is also Miata releasing her youki in Rabona.

If anything the youki pills seem to really compliment the story for me. At first it seemed almost like a deus ex machina save to get claymores into cities. But after they appeared again and again in different situations where they were a real tool with positive and negative side effects they really added to the claymore world for me. When the ghosts survived the fall of Pieta by using a tool we already knew a bunch about it was completely reasonable yet still a surprise. Much like youki suppression or partial awakening the pills have appeared over and over adding much more depth to the story story for me.

[tenken627]

The pills do not seem to inhibit the use of youki energy. It seems that a Claymore still has use of their physical powers and attributes after taking these pills. They still seem to jump around at amazing speeds and show tremendous strength, far above that of a normal human.

The only things that the youki pills seem to restrict are the sensory abilities, both in the receiving and transmitting aspects. Claymores on the pill do not give off youki energy (the 7 Claymores left for dead after Pieta), and they can not sense youki energy (Clare unable to sense the corpse yoma in Rabona, Miata needed to track down Galatea with her non-youki dependent senses).

I think that the color in the eyes reverting back is more of a side effect than a purpose, which can be useful in certain situations.

Edit:

Also, there seems to be two different types of youki energy emission that can be sensed.

1) Conscious Youki Emission: When a Claymore or AB actually uses youki energy. Like Irene's Quickblade, Agatha's movement of her "true body" within her fake form, or a Claymore releasing youki to 30% or whatever percent. It seems like this type of youki energy can be sensed no matter what, since it is the actual conscious release of it. Irene was cloaked from the Organization for years before her actual usage of Quickblade revealed her location.


2) Natural Youki Emission: Even when a Claymore or AB is not actively using youki energy, they seem to emit youki from their bodies at all times and can be traced. This would be like Galatea sensing the emotions of the 4 Claymores from long distances. Rafaela's and the Ghost's youki suppression (as well as Irene's and Galatea's) would be masking this type of youki energy. This is also what the youki pills would suppress as well.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I never heard that theory before, who proposed that the pills have the side effect of accelerating the awakening process/?

With Clare being the defacto leader, i did say it seemed odd or *very* understanding to just step back in a fight and let Miria and the others handle it. Once Agatha's legs were gone, she effectively stopped commanding and fighting, and stood back until Agatha's human form was isolated. For someone who nearly beat their commander in a dual, Flora pretty much kept quiet about having another potential single digit in her team, despite her previous preachy statement regarding leadership and responsibility.

I must admit i had to read the relevent bits to get an idea regarding the energy supressing pills, but i thought they stopped the yoma energy flow entirely (basic abilities, but no quickswords/no muscle enhancements, Undine would have been a tiny unconscious body, rather than the tiny cut in half corpse etc.), the loss of the ability to sense and be sensed and the reversion of eye colour is a side effect of not having any yoma energy or the use of powers. The pills are supposed to last half a day, and the AB hunting team the fodder claymore came from left in the morning, which is why Clare said she had a day in town to ask around before they came back, but it does seem that when the pills wear out the eye colour and yoma energy comes back pretty quickly, so there's a time gap there obviously, similarly in rabona she was hunting unsupressed at night, and had her eye's back to normal in the fight. It's hard to tell with Clarice, cos of all the crying but i think, once her and Miata attacked they blew the pills suppresion effect of whatever was left because Miata released and used her youki in fighting Galatea, similarly Agatha mentioned keeping track of Clarice's Yoki signature, which shows the pills effects are gone *before* Clarice managed her sneak attack.

[Anh_Minh]

Miria's always been the leader. Clare just happened to be the pointwoman on that one.

Also, what do you mean by "understanding"?

[Sleepy Speculator]

I ask for sympathetic appraisals of what i now say, cos i'm not greatly knowledgeable on this subject, but it seems like being ex-soldiers of sorts with a rigid hieararchy and chain of command, that this is either a bad or good example... i'll try to explain. (please bear in mind that if Clare's leading the ghosts she's technically the #1 and Miria the #2 as it were)

The ghosts are supposed to be following Clare and she had that battle in hand and seemed to be doing fine, and actually leading/ showing an interest in leading. But Miria took control after talking to Galatea, as if she's the one that's leading the group, that switch mid battle (apart from being potentially confusing) in who seems to be in command is either a signal of mistrust or requires alot of trust/understanding between Miria and Clare, Clare then switches from being on point, to being the last in attack order, which makes me wonder, specifically because near every AB fight we see, has the top digit lead whilst the others cover. If all depends, on why Clare dropped back, and if it was planned. (maybe she just wanted to be the one that actually killed the AB etc). If it wasn't then it could be a command problem/which incidentally arises right as Miria contacts Galatea... Either way that switch requires alot of trust and understanding as to the why...

[hell88]

Mabye Clare and Miria were switching in battle to give the other ghosts time to fight. Miria and Clare are the strongest in the group so they probably take turns at leading in battle just to keep each other well rested. While doing this the other ghosts keep on the attack so they can switch. Wow this is kind of confusing.

[Awakened]

The gost were all attacking one at a time, Clare was just last in the chain of attack. Pluse the authore wanted a dramatic ending.

Miria has been the leader for more than 7years, she can't just stop just because she is following Clare. Clare is not that interested in been leader anyway. She can't go wild if she is a leader, it's to suffocating.

Miria is just a natural leader, she does it just like that (twist arm).

[Anh_Minh]

Everyone looked at Miria as the leader before the Riful encounter. I doubt it's changed since.

I don't think it was that much a switch. There were no real commands to give. Everyone knew what to do. Miria, since the battle was going well, just choose to talk to Galatea in case she had something urgent to say.

As for why Clare held back - well, she's the protagonist, so she has to shine the most... :p Plus, they probably acknowledge her as the best finisher of the troop.

[Newhope]

I don't really think there's a rigid command structure in the ghost, I think all the ghosts apart from maybe yuma would command if there skills where needed Tabitha showed alittle of this in the last chapter.

All in all I think command in the ghosts based on trust and skill rather than raw power like it is in the ORG,Claire I think is more than likey the second only to Miria in the group the others seemed to be in awe of her when she fought Miria.

[Awakened]

I don't really think there's a rigid command structure in the ghost, I think all the ghosts apart from maybe yuma would command if there skills where needed Tabitha showed alittle of this in the last chapter.

All in all I think command in the ghosts based on trust and skill rather than raw power like it is in the ORG,Claire I think is more than likey the second only to Miria in the group the others seemed to be in awe of her when she fought Miria.

I think you are right, even Helen try to take charge, but was overruled by Tabitha.

I still think Miria is still the leader, leading is one of her strenght. It would be a waist not to take advantage of that.

Clare usualy take charge when things get desperate.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I also have to admit i don't think the Ghosts are operating entirely to the org's standards, but that still requires alot of trust...

- If Miria takes command of every battle *from* Clare then Clare will never shine as a leader, which reinforces the fact that the other Ghosts are following Miria and not Clare.
- If the ghosts are following Clare around but taking orders from Miria (unless this division is clearly delineated), it will mean Clare has no command, but is being followed/stalked by a small directionless army.
- Helen was being rash again, and seemed to think she could finish Agatha in one hit, (she also couldn't read the deception), she called for assistance not from the two most suitable fighters, but from the two she knew most, Deneve and Clare.

Okay heres the battle's order and the previous ranks taking into account the tactics.

Miria #6 - led the assault got the first blow
Cynthia #14 - blocks with Yuma #40 as her fighting partner (This is ike the Veronica/Cynthia block/cover thing back during the war in the north, best use of defensive fighters?)
Deneve #15 and Helen #22 attack consecutively above and below (Again as Jean and Helen did in the war in the north)
Clare #47 attacks the isolated form.

Tabitha #31? is the eye and stands back/directs to prevent ineffective assaults.

It's probably just coincidence, but the battle's order followed roughly their ranks... It was only because Anh Minh mentioning Flora that i went to take a look at the bit where Flora and Clare were working together, and it was another claymore, in their team that got the killing blow, the #39?

Could be a pattern or just oddities...

[Awakened]

I also have to admit i don't think the Ghosts are operating entirely to the org's standards, but that still requires alot of trust...

- If Miria takes command of every battle *from* Clare then Clare will never shine as a leader, which reinforces the fact that the other Ghosts are following Miria and not Clare.
- If the ghosts are following Clare around but taking orders from Miria (unless this division is clearly delineated), it will mean Clare has no command, but is being followed/stalked by a small directionless army.


That might be it, they are just following Clare. Afther all, Clare never asked them to come with her. From Clare's point of view they are doing something they chose to do. She is not their leader, she is just been followed.

Most of them want revenge, and they all know that Clare is the crazy one that has the potential to make it happen. They are not just blindly following her, they are more like body gaurds. When the time come they might give up their lives so Clare can keep on living, eventualy she will sucseed in fullfiling their wishes.

[Anh_Minh]

Miria's the leader. As long as they're going in the same direction, I don't think Clare would disobey her without a good reason.

[Awakened]

Yagi is realy setting up Clare to be supper powerful, she has inhereted powers from a #1 and a #2. Galatia is a #3, she is in the story so Clare can get her next power-up.

Yagi took a break to figer out how to give it to her, its kind of hard to do limb exchange since the gost have been surpresing there yoki. He is mabe changing the plot a little.

People what I say in not a fact. Its just speculation.

[Sci-Fi]

^I doubt there will be a limb exchange. One is enough...lol...and it doesn't make sense since one of Galatea's abilities is to take partial control of a Yoma to alter their attacks and I can't see how a limb addition can give Clare that ability. Galatea could train Clare to use/develop her powers...it's there but she doesn't know how to tap into it and use it from a distance. With Clare and Jean, they were hugging each other when they aligned their yoki to turn each other back...Galatea only used a hand. If Galatea can train Clare to affect AB's or even AO's like she did with Dauf, then Clare will have a good powerup. Would suspect Clare would eventually do what that turtle AB did to her and Flora's team up north except with greater range.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I don't ever see, Clare trying to use manipulation to that extent, it would exert too much mental energy, it's more likely that Galatea would help her come back from partial limb awakenings, even Galatea can only manipulate unguarded yoki/ weak points. Clare, Galatea and Tabitha together as a group might be a serious problem for Alicia and Beth, if they were all using the same techniques to shatter the soul link, but that's way dangerous as well.

I think Clarice, might reveal a bit more of the story... i'm still wondering, how if Agatha had read her yoki, and the pill was no longer in effect, she managed to get an outrageous speed boost, sneak attack in with what could be simultaneous aura suppresion. I don't think Galatea could see it either, and the only thing she can't see is complete aura suppresion, she could see Clarice and Miata when they were on the pill... how strange.

[hell88]

Mabye Galatea couldn't see it because she was to busy with what was going on.

[yogi6807]

I was under the assumption Galatea saw something that colored haired was doing that surprised her.

[Cyclone]

I think Clarice, might reveal a bit more of the story... i'm still wondering, how if Agatha had read her yoki, and the pill was no longer in effect, she managed to get an outrageous speed boost, sneak attack in with what could be simultaneous aura suppresion. I don't think Galatea could see it either, and the only thing she can't see is complete aura suppresion, she could see Clarice and Miata when they were on the pill... how strange.

We know that Miata and Clarice were both under the effects of the pill for 2 reasons.
1) Clarice told Galatea she was on the pill before their fight started (the whole: "you're bluffing - you can't sense me" nonsense). And
2) Agatha said it about Clarice when Clarice was running away (something like: "better finish her now - it'd be troublesome to find her again when she's using a youki suppressant")

How Miata managed to overcome the suppressant, I do not know.
I also think it's safe to say that Galatea saw everything that was going on around her (Agatha, Miata, Clarise, humans, walls/roofs!?!?) except for the ghosts. (Heh - she should just look for the places she can't sense youki from the walls to find the ghosts)

It would seem that only the ghosts can sense the rest of the ghosts (Audrey/Rachel fight) though. How they do that, I can only guess. Probably they can align to each other's youkis well enough after 7 years, that even almost total supression is detectable by them.

[Viperx]

Yagi is realy setting up Clare to be supper powerful, she has inhereted powers from a #1 and a #2. Galatia is a #3, she is in the story so Clare can get her next power-up.


Didin't Clare learn how to return Jean to normal from Galatia in witches maw?
That involves manipulating yoki so could be considered a power-up, haven't read the manga for that chapter though so guess it could be different from the anime.

[Cyclone]

Yagi is realy setting up Clare to be supper powerful, she has inhereted powers from a #1 and a #2. Galatia is a #3, she is in the story so Clare can get her next power-up.

Yagi took a break to figer out how to give it to her, its kind of hard to do limb exchange since the gost have been surpresing there yoki. He is mabe changing the plot a little.

People what I say in not a fact. Its just speculation.

I hope Clare did not forget to pick up some of Rigaldo's fingernails!
That coupled with Galatea's eye lashes and Matilda's beauty spot could combine to for a super powers that Clare could never even dream of :P j/k

Clare Chimera project: full steam ahead!

[chibamonster]

Oh Cyclone you get so cynical when people start talking about Clare's power ups :D. While I think the Franken-Clare theory some have put forward is a little bit much it does not hurt people to speculate to their hearts content :D.

I agree with ViperX that before Clare met Galatea she never did any youki manipulation that we saw and admittedly she was not very good at it. Both her and Jean relied on the opposite party to synchronize their youki as well where Galatea could care less and manipulate people whichever way she wants. If Galatea awakens I think she would be a very very formidable opponent. While I would like to see her awakened form, I do not want to lose the blind nun.

[Sleepy Speculator]

I was trying to find a clear shot of Clarice's eyes, i'm probably blind cos i can't tell one way or the other, (what with what looks light reflecting off in every one) i found one with Miata, she'd clearly blown her suppression. Either she forced that, or the time limit on the pills had worn out... But it does lead to other questions...

1) How did Miata force it?
2) If their's no benefit from being supressed in fighting Galatea, did Clarice blow her supression as well? (she gave the order and went at Galatea as well)
3) If the pills effects were gone, how did Clarice sneak attack Agatha?

@Cyclone, i got a rough idea what was said by Agatha but could you provide a literal translation please... :) i don't want to make outrageaous statements first.

It looked like Galatea was making a guess at who had attacked Agatha, she looked genuinely puzzled... whatever it was Clarice did, Galatea didn't track her the same way Agatha didn't.

As to the ghosts detecting each other, i don't think they can, Yuma and Tabitha couldn't sense, them until they were standing there, it's likely Cynthia just saw them before the other two. I have no idea how the sense thing works, but i'll take another guess, that with regards to inanimate objects, it works like a lateral line on sharks, if i could tell better, i'd say that's how Clare read the dungeon Raki had been in, from just kicking down a door.

[Cyclone]

Oh Cyclone you get so cynical when people start talking about Clare's power ups :D. While I think the Franken-Clare theory some have put forward is a little bit much it does not hurt people to speculate to their hearts content :D.

Not cynical really- just having fun with it. I'm not even shooting it down, to tell the truth. I just think that Clare needs to lose one of her own limbs/parts before anyone offers any more replacement parts (I don't think Clare would even ask, and have to be persuaded even to accept again).

Honestly though - I just like Galatea better than Clare. And Galatea has lost enough body parts for one day. So let's not talk of any awakening or dying relating to Galatea - it makes me nervous.

[Cyclone]

I was trying to find a clear shot of Clarice's eyes, i'm probably blind cos i can't tell one way or the other, (what with what looks light reflecting off in every one) i found one with Miata, she'd clearly blown her suppression. Either she forced that, or the time limit on the pills had worn out... But it does lead to other questions...

1) How did Miata force it?
2) If their's no benefit from being supressed in fighting Galatea, did Clarice blow her supression as well? (she gave the order and went at Galatea as well)
3) If the pills effects were gone, how did Clarice sneak attack Agatha?

@Cyclone, i got a rough idea what was said by Agatha but could you provide a literal translation please... :) i don't want to make outrageaous statements first.

It looked like Galatea was making a guess at who had attacked Agatha, she looked genuinely puzzled... whatever it was Clarice did, Galatea didn't track her the same way Agatha didn't.

As to the ghosts detecting each other, i don't think they can, Yuma and Tabitha couldn't sense, them until they were standing there, it's likely Cynthia just saw them before the other two. I have no idea how the sense thing works, but i'll take another guess, that with regards to inanimate objects, it works like a lateral line on sharks, if i could tell better, i'd say that's how Clare read the dungeon Raki had been in, from just kicking down a door.

Generally, 10sigh's translations are pretty literal - when in doubt, consult his translation. It's why I like his translations the best despite other groups doing a much better job cleaning and typesetting.

"donsoku(slow fotted) dakedo youki ga kiete iru kara miushinau(to lose sight of) to mendou(difficulty/trouble) na no yo ne..."

"She's slow footed but since her youki is supressed(literally: is vanished), it'd be troublesome to lose sight of her"
So basically exactly what 10 wrote:
"She's slow footed but because her aura is supressed, it would be a pain to lose sight of her"

I'll look at the Riful fight later and see what caused my impression that the ghosts could sense each other.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Cheers cyclone, well until i get confirmation i'm gonna have to assume that Clarice didn't blow her supression unlike Miata. I posted a theory somewhere else, that she can't use yoki anyway, she's had quite a bit of airtime and displayed no release whatsoever. But it does raise a question, how did she raise her base speed dramatically without a yoki release, it still looks like Galatea didn't sense it/or was confused by it, and somehow Clare's debut attack managed to disrupt Agatha's blow on Clarice/Miata, completely (yoki manipulation/Galatea?). grrrhhh! come on Rubul turn up and spill the beans.

[gnc742]

Generally, 10sigh's translations are pretty literal - when in doubt, consult his translation. It's why I like his translations the best despite other groups doing a much better job cleaning and typesetting.

"donsoku(slow fotted) dakedo youki ga kiete iru kara miushinau(to lose sight of) to mendou(difficulty/trouble) na no yo ne..."

"She's slow footed but since her youki is supressed(literally: is vanished), it'd be troublesome to lose sight of her"
So basically exactly what 10 wrote:
"She's slow footed but because her aura is supressed, it would be a pain to lose sight of her"

I'll look at the Riful fight later and see what caused my impression that the ghosts could sense each other.

Maybe what Agatha means in the sentence "Although her speed is slow, but once her yoki fades, It'll be troublesome if i lose sight of her" is even though Clarice is slow, her yoki is so minuscule that it can disappear or can't be detected if she gets too far unlike the other claymores.

[Cyclone]

Maybe what Agatha means in the sentence "Although her speed is slow, but once her yoki fades, It'll be troublesome if i lose sight of her" is even though Clarice is slow, her yoki is so minuscule that it can disappear or can't be detected if she gets too far unlike the other claymores.

No.
Although, Japanese is an odd language it has it's rules.

"donsoku(slow fotted) dakedo youki ga kiete iru kara miushinau(to lose sight of) to mendou(difficulty/trouble) na no yo ne..."

The particle that denotes the part of speech follows the word. Sentences also end in verbs - which requires so re-arranging to make sentences sound English. Literally it's:

slow-footed <--though/however (dakedo), youki disappeared <- because(kara), lose sight of <- if (to) troublesome <- is/will (na no - informal way of ending a sentence). [yo='!' ne='eh?']

the 'youki disappeared' is the youki ga kiete iru.
ga is the particle denoting the subject (<- youki in this case).
kiete iru is a form of the verb kieru meaning "to go out; to vanish" (source:kantango). The '-te iru' is the japanese of using present/continuous tense (it is vanished [and will continue to be vanished]).

In short, the translations are right. Sometimes Japanese can be ambigous, but this is not one of those times.

[derelict88]

...Japanese is an odd language it has it's rules.

Rofl. Man, this cuts the cake. :)

You do realize that you are talking about a language that belongs to a nation that pursue perfection. Just to elaborate on my point... one cannot gain perfection without understanding.

[Cyclone]

Rofl. Man, this cuts the cake. :)

You do realize that you are talking about a language that belongs to a nation that pursue perfection. Just to elaborate on my point... one cannot gain perfection without understanding.

Man, I gotta work on my proof reading and comma placement. It should have said:
"Although Japanese is an odd language, it has it's rules"
Ah well.

[Vinak]

I'd have to say the Japanese Language is far from perfect. (in my opinion)

Though I still think it's a rather fascinating Language.

*pokes NoSanninWa*
/whine When is the chapter 79 thread reopening!?!

[tenken627]

Yeah, I don't really see Clare being the leader, or even wishing to usurp Miria's leadership.

Even after 7 years with the other Ghosts, she still seems to have a lone wolf attitude (which may or may not attribute to her reckless behavior).

She doesn't tell Miria that she left to search a deserted northern town. Deneve made Yuma follow Clare, but I believe that Clare wished that Deneve never knew either. Clare also does her own thing and stays behind with Riful while everyone else tries to run.

The other Ghosts seem to follow Miria out of want or necessity. Clare seems to follow Miria's lead more out of companionship. They're kinda just going in the same direction. Miria knows that there is more to Clare's motives than just finding Raki and getting revenge on the Organization.

While Clare shares a common friendship with Miria, Helen, and Deneve, she still keeps some distance between herself and everyone else.

[Awakened]

Yeah, I don't really see Clare being the leader, or even wishing to usurp Miria's leadership.

Even after 7 years with the other Ghosts, she still seems to have a lone wolf attitude (which may or may not attribute to her reckless behavior).

She doesn't tell Miria that she left to search a deserted northern town. Deneve made Yuma follow Clare, but I believe that Clare wished that Deneve never knew either. Clare also does her own thing and stays behind with Riful while everyone else tries to run.

The other Ghosts seem to follow Miria out of want or necessity. Clare seems to follow Miria's lead more out of companionship. They're kinda just going in the same direction. Miria knows that there is more to Clare's motives than just finding Raki and getting revenge on the Organization.

While Clare shares a common friendship with Miria, Helen, and Deneve, she still keeps some distance between herself and everyone else.

Death follow Clare, she has to keep her distance. Its to painful when she have to watch your comrade die.

[tenken627]

Hmmm, maybe youki pills only suppress the body's natural youki-signature, but does not suppress the ability to use youki energy.

For example, if you could somehow suppress your natural body heat to very low temperatures, an enemy with thermal imaging goggles would not be able to see you. With thermal imaging goggles, the enemy would only see objects that give off a decent amount of heat.

The enemy would be able see you if you fired a gun because of the heat that a gun makes when used. That would be like if you actually used youki energy like Quicksword. You won't see the person, but you know that the person is there because of the gun.

Both humans and guns give off heat. Humans give off heat naturally all the time. Guns only give off heat when used, and not before.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Is it me or is that a logical syllogism?, anyhow, Irene was radiating yoma energy specifically because she had used quicksword, and unless she practiced supression she'd be radiating anyway, so both human and gun would be one and the same.
I was wondering why the pills as a form of medicine aren't commonly allocated to claymores nearing awakening, and had the idea, that the pills would rather extend the problem. The use of pills would dramatically assist in partial awakenings, but would likely create stronger AB's as the pilled claymores eventually succumb to the yoma energy they couldn't control, when their medicine ran out somewhere down the line. Especially if the pills can be overruled by a strong yoki user, then the partially awakening claymores would grow in strength until the yoma energy overcame their suppression. Riful let Clare and Jean go, so they could get stronger after all... any ideas guys/?

[Anh_Minh]

They just don't work to suppress awakening. They don't keep Miata from releasing, after all.

[chibamonster]

Youki suppressants do something different than just cloaking a claymores youki signature. For instance; the ghosts eyes are still silver, they can still sense youki, and Galatea did not sense them coming. Pills change the users eye color, supress youki somewhat but Galatea can still sense them, and the users cannot sense youki. Neither really seems to stop their base strength and it seems that pills do not force claymores power levels down with youki much; EVERY claymore in Pieta was on half a pill. If the pill messed with youki releases then those claymores, the ones who were doing better than Rigald thought they would, were fighting at diminished power.

@ Sleepy speculator: Riful had never seen a partial awakening before Clare. She thought awakening was absolute and bringing people back was fascinating to her like she mentioned several times. She knew Clare got much much stronger over her limit but as for figuring out that they would grow I think it was just nice parting words.

No one so far, including the fab 4, knows what the partial awakening really is or what its consequences are. It seems that it would be impossible to tell what would happen with the ghosts from Riful's point of view. For instance, she did not think that Clare was strong enough to escape from her 7 years later indicating that she really did not think she would have gotten that strong. Although it really might just be Yagi speaking through Riful about their future strength to hint at some story points more than Riful figuring it out herself. Foreshadowing and stuff.

Really from what I have seen it seems that claymores are really stuck for the most part where they are with power levels. They can learn more techniques to use their youki more efficiently, but not every claymore has the potential to be powerful. Partial awakening might be a different and break the rules, but no one really knows much about it. Clare is the one who benefits the most but she is also a super special and we cannot compare her situation as it is so different. Keeping up with high ranking single digits seems reasonable as the fab four are already partially awakened and can use techniques that are on the edge of the limit without sweating. I just don't think Riful was the authority on partial awakening to tell them that they would be stronger awakened beings because of their partial awakening, just a very observant person.

[tenken627]

Youki suppressants do something different than just cloaking a claymores youki signature. For instance; the ghosts eyes are still silver, they can still sense youki, and Galatea did not sense them coming. Pills change the users eye color, supress youki somewhat but Galatea can still sense them, and the users cannot sense youki. Neither really seems to stop their base strength and it seems that pills do not force claymores power levels down with youki much; EVERY claymore in Pieta was on half a pill. If the pill messed with youki releases then those claymores, the ones who were doing better than Rigald thought they would, were fighting at diminished power.


Yep, youki pills and individually suppressing youki are different.

They both suppress youki signature, but they seem to do it in different ways, and have different effects.


There are two basic ways to make a youki sensor not be able to detect youki in someone.

1) Actually physically diminish the youki inside of you.

2) Mask or hide the youki inside of you, like stealth technology.


It may be that the youki pills physically diminishes the youki signature in a Claymore to a certain degree. Enough so that the eyes are no longer silver, and it dulls the sensory abilities of the Claymore taking the pills.

I am not sure if this hinders actual youki release in any form, since they can still release their powers. Natural youki signature and active youki release are different, but still related somehow. Maybe the pills makes active youki release a little harder, but still possible.

It's hard to use the Pieta example because all the Claymores were on only half a pill, which Miria reasoned to be such an insignificant amount that it will only kick in when their bodies lose consciousness.


On the other hand, suppressing the youki individually like what Irene, Rafaela, Galatea, and the Ghosts have done is more like masking the youki signature. They are stealthers. They still have easy access to youki release, they still are able to youki-sense with ease, and their eyes are still silver.

Galatea was able to suppress her youki signature for years, but had to blind herself because her eyes were still silver. Her youki was always there, it was just hidden.

[Anh_Minh]

Well, the Ghosts are probably the only ones who had much training after they started working. That alone explains how even Yuma is strong.

[Sleepy Speculator]

YUMA PUNCH!?

Just thought i'd try getting some idea how the pills could work..., what's half a day, 8 hours (time awake)? 12 hours(literally)? Would taking more than one pill double the effect or extend the duration, do they develop immunity?... If anyone would know why the medicine was developed, it would likely be someone from around the first generation (when all the male claymores started awakening) and apart from the mib's that's gonna be either Riful or Isley. Riful had an idea they feigned death so how many ways are there to supress yoki anyway...?
A hypothetical reason for developing the pills would be to artificially supress excesses of yoma energy, which is greatly handy for dealing with a generation of male claymores suffering from the problem of getting carried away. Anything that phsycially retards that would be incredibly helpful.
My point is that if Riful knows that stronger claymores make stronger AB's, and she sees two claymores who are 'nearly there', then that's similar to claymores that are losing control and increasingly dependent on a medicine, that stops them from awakening...

(ah if i don't play the fool, this thread would be very silent) when's 79 out anyway?

[hell88]

when's 79 out anyway?

Japanese and Chinese scans usually come out on the first day of the month or something like that, english scans usually come out by the 3rd, so expect it around May 3rd.

[chibamonster]

We really do not know much about the pills pharmaceutical development. Whether half a day is half day light, 12 hours, 8 hours or what not we have no idea. We do not know much about the world of claymore as in how they measure time (no clocks) or whether their fictional world has the same time as we do. I am fine with everything not being explicitly described. The story is about relationships more than anything so as long as it stays focused on that other things being brushed over does not bother me. Remember when George Lucas decided to tell us the secret of the force in star wars was medichlorians? I'm just as happy not knowing in some cases :D.

As sleepy said pills might have been developed for stopping awakenings, but they might have been a complete failure. Or they are not a failure at all and the MiB's only use them for people in small doses because they want people to awaken. Or they were developed for the MiB's use originally. MiB's using them seems to make the most sense to me because they cannot sense youki but many have youki marks on their faces. Also their eyes are not silver. But once again, just a guess. Really we do not know much about the pills and they will probably have more information pop up about them in the future. For instance, the pills can be used for covert interrogations of claymores like Audrey as seen after Riful's encounter with the ghosts. It is also interesting to note that half a pill does not effect eye color, youki sensing or youki release as seen in Pieta. I think the pills will continue to be a major tool in the story.

[tenken627]

Not cynical really- just having fun with it. I'm not even shooting it down, to tell the truth. I just think that Clare needs to lose one of her own limbs/parts before anyone offers any more replacement parts (I don't think Clare would even ask, and have to be persuaded even to accept again).

Honestly though - I just like Galatea better than Clare. And Galatea has lost enough body parts for one day. So let's not talk of any awakening or dying relating to Galatea - it makes me nervous.

Why would Clare need to lose one of her own limbs/parts before making any more additions?

If two arms are much better than one arm, four arms is much better than two arms. She could hold four Claymore swords then. If Clare is already fast with two legs, she'll be twice as fast with four.

Too bad Clare didn't keep Teresa's head around somewhere. Two heads is always better than just one head. Clare could talk to it just like old times. They would be a great Claymore team.

[chibamonster]

If you just described Clare's true awakened form I would probably be done with claymore tenken.

[tenken627]

If you just described Clare's true awakened form I would probably be done with claymore tenken.

Four eyebrows?!?!?

Ohhhh the power!!!!!!!!!

[wnmnkh]

Hmmmm, ok....

[tenken627]

Hmmmm, ok....

Yeah I think four eyebrows is power overkill too.

[Vinak]

fewer eyebrows you have the more powerful you become.

Jean proves this fact. ;)

[Simley]

Yeah I think four eyebrows is power overkill too.

if 4 eyebrows is overkill, what about 4 breasts? Mutually assured destruction? The power of Clare's attack would be so overwhelming, she would kill herself as well. Like detonating a nuclear bomb to kill an opponent less than 5 feet away from you.

:eyespin: :heh:

[lsley]

if 4 eyebrows is overkill, what about 4 breasts? Mutually assured destruction? The power of Clare's attack would be so overwhelming, she would kill herself as well. Like detonating a nuclear bomb to kill an opponent less than 5 feet away from you.

:eyespin: :heh:

I don't think 4 breasts would be too good. Better 2 with the size of 4 :heh:

[Sleepy Speculator]

ugh... total recall sprang to mind...

[Ryuken]

Totally agree with Isley.

[stringer13]

I thought I should just tell you that there will be no claymore next week because there is no shounen jump because of golden week.

[hell88]

I thought I should just tell you that there will be no claymore next week because there is no shounen jump because of golden week.

WHAT?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! But it will be out the week after right? Because if its not I think I wll die waiting another month.:sad:

[Ryuken]

It can't, can't beeee. I can't control this flow anymore.............!!?:frustrated:

[Sleepy Speculator]

I heard that was the case for the weekly jump, yet claymore is in the monthly jump square, at most you'll have to wait an extra week, NoSanninWa will open the 79 thread sometime soon i'm sure anyway, so just be patient and no awakenings pleasem, wait...

[stringer13]

WHAT?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! But it will be out the week after right? Because if its not I think I wll die waiting another month.:sad:

I think so and hope so because Yagi is seriously starting to piss me off.:frustrated:

[Anh_Minh]

Claymore isn't published in Shonen Jump anyway. (Only the ES were, right?)

What of Jump Square?

[gnc742]

I thought I should just tell you that there will be no claymore next week because there is no shounen jump because of golden week.

Are you serious? It's taking so damn long.

I wish they release Claymore daily.. hahah

[racjona]

It can't, can't beeee. I can't control this flow anymore.............!!?:frustrated:

Align your yoma energy with mine - I'll pull you back! FOCUS!
Live, Ryuken ...

[Awakened]

Align your yoma energy with mine - I'll pull you back! FOCUS!
Live, Ryuken ...

Don't trust her Ryuken, she is an ally of ophilia.

[Ryuken]

Align your yoma energy with mine - I'll pull you back! FOCUS!
Live, Ryuken ...

Don't trust her Ryuken, she is an ally of ophilia.

!!!?......I, I don't know, for some reason I was able to turn back....?
Thanks racjona, I owe you my life.:love::bow:

PS - Sorry to disappoint you Awakened.:heh:

[racjona]

And now ...
It's time to hunt down another awakened one :naughty:

[Ryuken]

And now ...
It's time to hunt down another awakened one :naughty:

Your bad.!!?:)

[Cyclone]

And now ...
It's time to hunt down another awakened one :naughty:

Aren't you going to play a little 'game' first? :p

[francothewise]

speaking of ophelia, did she not become a claymore after her family was killed by priscilla? If so, it must mean that she joined the organization roughly at the same time if not later as Clare since Clare joined after Priscilla awakened. Miria shows us that most warriors earn higher ranks as they improve and gain experience in battle. There are exceptions like Alicia, Beth, perhaps the Eyes as the organization gives them special training and has certain expectation from them. I do not see Ophelia undergoing special trainings like Galatea (The eye) or the twins and think that she earns her rank like most soldiers, fighting and improving.

If both Ophelia and Clare are from the same generation, is it not astonishing that Ophelia climbed the ladder of ranks like no other? Perhaps she IS just THAT good, or is it a plot time-hole Mr Yagi forgot to bury? What do people think?

[Anh_Minh]

Or perhaps Clare was just that bad.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Or Ophelia was just older and, more powerful... She'd start out sooner, and being a psycho/strong would have got a top slot pretty much off the bat. Ophelia was already #4 whilst Miria was climbing the ranks... so to answer i have no idea...

[Awakened]

And now ...
It's time to hunt down another awakened one :naughty:

Are you talking about me?
If it's me, I don't like to play games, and I like my Claymore medium rare with a litle bit of salt.:cool:

[Awakened]

speaking of ophelia, did she not become a claymore after her family was killed by priscilla? If so, it must mean that she joined the organization roughly at the same time if not later as Clare since Clare joined after Priscilla awakened. Miria shows us that most warriors earn higher ranks as they improve and gain experience in battle. There are exceptions like Alicia, Beth, perhaps the Eyes as the organization gives them special training and has certain expectation from them. I do not see Ophelia undergoing special trainings like Galatea (The eye) or the twins and think that she earns her rank like most soldiers, fighting and improving.

If both Ophelia and Clare are from the same generation, is it not astonishing that Ophelia climbed the ladder of ranks like no other? Perhaps she IS just THAT good, or is it a plot time-hole Mr Yagi forgot to bury? What do people think?

Clare is the weakest, so all other claymore are higher rank than her. Priscila was going to be #2 right out of training. Miata has potential to be #1, but she did not get any special training. Rank is baced mostly on yoki, the more you have the higher your rank (there are always exceptions).

[Vinak]

the time line doesn't really make any sense.
Galatea is supposed to be an older Claymore. Yet she can't be older than Clare since Clare witnessed the deaths of the former 1-5
unless Galatea some how got a power boast to make her go from at least rank 6 to rank 3 in the years it took Clare to become a Claymore I don't see how it's possible.

[hell88]

Mabye Galatea is just naturally talented at being a warrior and jumped up the ranks right after she was experimented on.

[chibamonster]

We have no idea how long Clare was a claymore before she met Raki. She was at least a claymore for Elena's entire career as a warrior. Clare could be one of the older warriors who was just out of the loop never getting information about anything. She was at least a warrior long enough to develop physically from the little girl we see in the extra chapter to the woman we see later. Clare may have been a warrior long enough that it was time to get rid of her without consideration for her partial awakening.

While we know Miria climbed the ranks, she also mentioned that the top 5 were on a completely different level than even she was and that was after her partial awakening. Some claymores just get placed higher than others. The top few claymores are a lot closer to the organizations secrets than the ones at the bottoms. For instance Clare did not know that a voracious eater was an awakened being for a very long time. I think the organization can usually see a claymores potential for ranking long before they really hone their skills. Hilda was able to see that Miria was more powerful than herself when Miria did not know how to use her phantom speed consistently yet.

[Ryuken]

Are you talking about me?
If it's me, I don't like to play games, and I like my Claymore medium rare with a litle bit of salt.:cool:

Sorry, but me and my comrades have grown stronger in these past seven years.:nono:

[hell88]

Sorry, but me and my comrades have grown stronger in these past seven years.:nono:

I guess its a good thing I've grown stronger in the last four hundred years.:p

[Flar]

Clare is the weakest, so all other claymore are higher rank than her. Priscila was going to be #2 right out of training. Miata has potential to be #1, but she did not get any special training. Rank is baced mostly on yoki, the more you have the higher your rank (there are always exceptions).Rank is based on power. The more dangerous you are the higher you are ranked, that is why moving through the ranks (like Miria did) is possible. That's what Flora told Clare too: leading is the responsibility of those with power, and Clare doesn't have any strong Yoki, just deadly techniques. That's why Miata has the potential to be #1 but is not. That's why Priscilla was #2 and not #1 when even Teresa acknowledged she had the potential to kill her. That's why MiBs make that nonsensical comment about Miria being stronger than a #1 in a group.

Of course, as the org does not wish to make their tools too dangerous, amount of Yoki is often equivalent with amount of power, but we just have to look at the ghost 7 to know that intensive training and specific techniques can and will make any claymore move up in power, and therefore, in rank, regardless of Yoki amount.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Elena's entire career may not have been very long, they say it was a long time since they met, but for friends that could be a few months to a year or two at the least. Galatea could quite easily have been a lower ranked claymore during Teresa's time or entered service whilst Clare was in training what's that around 7-10 years/? As for rankings, they always seem to be based on yoki power unless there is mitigating circumstances, and they don't get their yoki all in one go, unless they got rapid growth. Explains why Miria went from #17 to #8 to #6 as she got access to her yoki and became strong, and that was before Clare met her and she piled on the experience. This also explains why the org don't like older claymores, if they can survive that long and keep their mind, then they would have alot of strong experienced claymores kicking around, until the ghost release their yoki there's no telling how strong they are, but i'm willing to bet Clare's an absolute monster, she was tapping Teresa's potential and jumped to being described as a strong light in Pieta, probably stronger than Miria from a point of being noticeably weaker than Veronica in one jump and extended period of partial awakening, and it was either her or Miria that was the last one standing...

[Awakened]

And now ...
It's time to hunt down another awakened one :naughty:

Sorry, but me and my comrades have grown stronger in these past seven years.:nono:

I guess its a good thing I've grown stronger in the last four hundred years.:p

It takes 24 or more claymores to hunt an ABO, 3 of you will entertain me from 3 secounds.:cool:

PS: At first I was an AB, but I gave myself a power-up by attaching my victims body parts to my body and became an ABO. Am looking foward to 3 new additions to my collection.:D

Please don't disapoint me, I hope all of you are wordy to become part of me.

[Awakened]

the time line doesn't really make any sense.
Galatea is supposed to be an older Claymore. Yet she can't be older than Clare since Clare witnessed the deaths of the former 1-5
unless Galatea some how got a power boast to make her go from at least rank 6 to rank 3 in the years it took Clare to become a Claymore I don't see how it's possible.

Galatea did not need a power boost, there was a vacancy for 5 claymore. She is also the eye, so she could have been in training for a long time, and got promoted as soon as the top 5 were no longer part of the Org.

the time line doesn't really make any sense.
Galatea is supposed to be an older Claymore.

I don't remember reading Galatia been part of the old generation.

[Ryuken]

I also agree that the ranking is given based on power. But I don't think that the organization has a clear idea of Clair's full potential. This would explain why they gave her the lowest rank. But they know that she is special since she carries Teresa's flesh and blood. Still, they don't pay too much attention to her.
At first I don't think Clair herself realized what she was fully capable of. That was before the battle with Miria and the AB. This battle provided a turning point for Clair.
Even Rubel admitted to Clair that she had become stronger was dispatching Yomas
without much effort.;)

[gnc742]

Maybe Ophelia is a year earlier when Clare started. Because during Clare's last examination, only her an another girl survived. So we really don't know how many years it takes for a trainee to graduate(Maybe it is based on your performance). Cause Teresa is of the 77th Generation of Claymores and it was during her time she was beheaded. When Priscilla was in rampage, she killed the parents of Ophelia who Clare at that time began searching for a MiB. And just after the rampage, the organization got Ophelia. Then Ophelia started the training. By the time she graduated, Clare had found Rubel(Maybe after a year or so).

if you have time, try looking at Chapter 17 page 21. To the right, she simply looks like Galatea to me. IMO Galatea at that time, Galatea was claymore number 6 or so. She was promoted to number 3 because numbers 1 - 5 were KIA. She was promoted because she at that time was the eye and of the remaining Claymores she had the biggest yoki release. If I'm correct there's this guy named Rado in the organization who said that she has lived too long. Maybe she even is older than Teresa. Maybe in the following chapter, it will be revealed that she entered the same time Teresa did. We can't tell much because there's no exact date when it happened.

[Ryuken]

It takes 24 or more claymores to hunt an ABO, 3 of you will entertain me from 3 secounds.:cool:

PS: At first I was an AB, but I gave myself a power-up by attaching my victims body parts to my body and became an AOB. Am looking foward to 3 new additions to my collection.:D

Please don't disapoint me, I hope all of you are wordy to become part of me.

Oh! so thats what you did. (These newly formed ABs, what will they think of next)
Anyway...! Even if we can't defeat you (which I think we can rather easily) escape for
us is possible.

[Everyone escapes, leaving the so called AOB growling to herself.]

PS - Good job guys.:D
No hard feelings Awakened.;)

[Awakened]

Oh! so thats what you did. (These newly formed ABs, what will they think of next)
Anyway...! Even if we can't defeat you (which I think we can rather easily) escape for
us is possible.

[Everyone escapes, leaving the so called AOB growling to herself.]

PS - Good job guys.:D
No hard feelings Awakened.;)

How long will you run? With each victime I become stronger, eventualy the world will be mine. When I take over the world, where would you hid? For making me angry, I have a special supprize instor for all of you. Mark my words, I will have the last laph.

[Ryuken]

How long will you run? With each victime I become stronger, eventualy the world will be mine. When I take over the world, where would you hid? For making me angry, I have a special supprize instor for all of you.

Well, we know that we will have to pay a heavy debt for escaping but, we also like surprises.:uhoh:

PS - Er...guys, a little help overhear....:help:

[Awakened]

Well, we know that we will have to pay a heavy debt for escaping but, we also like surprises.:uhoh:

PS - Er...guys, a little help overhear....:help:

As the final hour approaches, she will run from her faith, eventually her legs will give in. In desperation she will crawl with her last bit of strength. Eventually she will call for help, but there is no one around to heir her call. The final hour approaches, this is true despair.

[francothewise]

Or perhaps Clare was just that bad.

haha mayb...=P but i still *heart* Clare~

Or Ophelia was just older and, more powerful... She'd start out sooner, and being a psycho/strong would have got a top slot pretty much off the bat. Ophelia was already #4 whilst Miria was climbing the ranks... so to answer i have no idea...

u hv a point, i think this goes well with other speculations below.

Clare is the weakest, so all other claymore are higher rank than her. Priscila was going to be #2 right out of training. Miata has potential to be #1, but she did not get any special training. Rank is baced mostly on yoki, the more you have the higher your rank (there are always exceptions).

makes total sense =] thank u, that clears my doubts

Maybe Ophelia is a year earlier when Clare started. Because during Clare's last examination, only her an another girl survived. So we really don't know how many years it takes for a trainee to graduate(Maybe it is based on your performance). Cause Teresa is of the 77th Generation of Claymores and it was during her time she was beheaded. When Priscilla was in rampage, she killed the parents of Ophelia who Clare at that time began searching for a MiB. And just after the rampage, the organization got Ophelia. Then Ophelia started the training. By the time she graduated, Clare had found Rubel(Maybe after a year or so).

I do not think it took Clare a year to find Rubel....Teresa's head would start to decompose if she took a yr...and traveling every town with a decomposing claymore head looking for a MiB...*shudder*

[Anh_Minh]

The final hour approaches, this is true despair.
Not a lucky phrase, around here, for Awakened Beings.

[racjona]

Well, we know that we will have to pay a heavy debt for escaping but, we also like surprises.:uhoh:

PS - Er...guys, a little help overhear....:help:

YUMA PUNCH !!!!
... and none of the ABOs survived ... that was easy :heh:

come with me guys, Ophelia will buy you beer :D

[Sleepy Speculator]

@gnc nice observation, but i don't think it's galatea, the emblem is different, though i admit i always thought the one in the left panel of that page looked like veronica, one of the claymore captains that died in pieta.

[Ryuken]

YUMA PUNCH !!!!
... and none of the ABOs survived ... that was easy :heh:

come with me guys, Ophelia will buy you beer :D

Thanks racjona.:)

[Awakened]

YUMA PUNCH !!!!
... and none of the ABOs survived ... that was easy :heh:

come with me guys, Ophelia will buy you beer :D

Thanks racjona.:)

Rejoice in your moment of victory, but the truth is you only deafeted my minion. Thanks to her sacrify I will now develop an any-yuma punch. Rejoice for your victory shall be short lived.

[Vinak]

Galatea did not need a power boost, there was a vacancy for 5 claymore. She is also the eye, so she could have been in training for a long time, and got promoted as soon as the top 5 were no longer part of the Org.



I don't remember reading Galatia been part of the old generation.

I can't find the exact chapter yet. but it is mentioned that Galatea has "lived too long"

its the part where Rubel says..the best Claymores are the ones that don't live very long

[hell88]

I can't find the exact chapter yet. but it is mentioned that Galatea has "lived too long"

its the part where Rubel says..the best Claymores are the ones that don't live very long

I remember reading that, but I think what Rubal meant was that Galatea was starting to live for a while, not she has lived too long. A little hard to explain, but I think you guys get the idea.

[germanturkey]

i'm pretty sure he meant that Claymores who live longer realize the wrongs the org do and have done, and begin to question them. Galatea is one such claymore.

[Newhope]

It's one of the chapters just after the war in the north , it wasen't Rubel but another MIB who said it.He basically said that the best claymore are those that don't live to long and live for a moderate amount of time are the best.

[Awakened]

I can't find the exact chapter yet. but it is mentioned that Galatea has "lived too long"

its the part where Rubel says..the best Claymores are the ones that don't live very long

Raphaela has been around for ageis. She does not care what the Org does, so the Org have no proble with her living. A claymore that live to long is one that strat getting ideas, one of the mibs said something like that.

[Vinak]

Raphaela is just an exception to an otherwise pretty basic assumption that all "old" Claymores are killed or killed off by less than honorable means.

And the excuse they used with Raphaela is pretty simple too.

She had the potential to be the fourth abysmal one. I don't think it would be smart to provoke someone with that amount of power. Best to just leave her alone and let her live how she pleases since she doesn't seem to be in a vengeful mood. especially after losing number 1 along with dozens of other warriors and trainee's

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

the time line doesn't really make any sense.
Galatea is supposed to be an older Claymore. Yet she can't be older than Clare since Clare witnessed the deaths of the former 1-5
unless Galatea some how got a power boast to make her go from at least rank 6 to rank 3 in the years it took Clare to become a Claymore I don't see how it's possible.


For all we know Galatea could have been in training to becaume the next eye.
Seeing as how Teresa was a wild card to began with. Her handler even said "I knew this day would come' As in the day Teresa would break free from there control. It makes perfect sense that they have been training a replacement for Teresa. They might have pulled Galatea out of training to fill in the vacancees

[tenken627]

It takes 24 or more claymores to hunt an ABO, 3 of you will entertain me from 3 secounds.:cool:

PS: At first I was an AB, but I gave myself a power-up by attaching my victims body parts to my body and became an ABO. Am looking foward to 3 new additions to my collection.:D

Please don't disapoint me, I hope all of you are wordy to become part of me.

I am imagining Awakened with a full arm coming out of his forehead. :p

[Flar]

She had the potential to be the fourth abysmal one.lol.

The three others were no doubt Yuma, Clarice and Raki, right? :D

"Those are the warriors with power below that of a normal weakling, the organisation calls them... Abysmal Ones. And this is Raki of the South."
Raki: "Bawwww I'll tell Clare if you touch me"

[racjona]

Raki is the most powerful of the Abysmal Ones - his most dangerous weapon is Cry&Weep

the opponents will die horrible death - they will drown in the ocean of tears

[Ryuken]

Raki is the most powerful of the Abysmal Ones - his most dangerous weapon is Cry&Weep

the opponents will die horrible death - they will drown in the ocean of tears

Absolutely and positively correct racjona.:bow:

[hell88]

Well now that Raki is an abysmal one that means Clare will eventually kill him LOL.

[Vinak]

not really sure whats going on....but Raphaela equaled Luciella in strength so if she awakened....yea anyways...

[tenken627]

not really sure whats going on....but Raphaela equaled Luciella in strength so if she awakened....yea anyways...

Raphaela has the strength to become an Abyssal One, but I think they're having fun with your spelling error, saying Yuma, Clarice, and Raki are the three Abysmal Ones.

[Awakened]

Raphaela is just an exception to an otherwise pretty basic assumption that all "old" Claymores are killed or killed off by less than honorable means.

And the excuse they used with Raphaela is pretty simple too.

She had the potential to be the fourth abysmal one. I don't think it would be smart to provoke someone with that amount of power. Best to just leave her alone and let her live how she pleases since she doesn't seem to be in a vengeful mood. especially after losing number 1 along with dozens of other warriors and trainee's

I don't think the Org cares that much if a #1 claymore awakens, I think they care more about loyalty. Teresa was #1 and could have awakened but they still tried to kill her. Priscilla was a child with the potential to awakened but did not mentor her until she was ready, they just sent her out. Miata has potential to be #1 and is not all there, but they send her out. After the Riful incident you think the Org would protect the young claymores if they don't want them to awaken, but they don't.

All 3 could be ABOs, but the Org don't seem to care. Only thing different is that they can still use Raphaela to do whatever they want, so there is no point trying to kill her. When Galatea let Clare go, Ruble said they would have like to kill her, but she is still useful to them so they speared her. Clare could have been killed for running away, but she was useful to the Org, so they let speared her life.

The Org is currently experimenting with twins that could become ABOs. After the first fail experiment, you would think that they would have concluded that it’s too dangerous and stop, but they did not. Some would argue that the twins are a necessity, but mentoring and training top claymores for years would have probably given them a much more powerful army without the side-affect of awakening. Raphaela is a good example, apparently she is really strong. Imagine an army of 24 Raphaela, am sure they could take on an ABOs.

[gnc742]

I do not think it took Clare a year to find Rubel....Teresa's head would start to decompose if she took a yr...and traveling every town with a decomposing claymore head looking for a MiB...*shudder*

It seems unlikely but is also possible in the Claymore world. For we don't know how their body act. Maybe it takes time before a Claymore's body deteriorates. Then maybe months. Because we don't know how the training works so we don't knowif Ophelia was a claymore before or after Clare was.

[Newhope]

One of the things I don't understand Ophelia was on par with Raphaela power wise just her mental stats where lower, so why didn't she show the power of an abysmal there most be something more to it than just the claymores strength.

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

I don't think the Org cares that much if a #1 claymore awakens, I think they care more about loyalty. Teresa was #1 and could have awakened but they still tried to kill her. Priscilla was a child with the potential to awakened but did not mentor her until she was ready, they just sent her out. Miata has potential to be #1 and is not all there, but they send her out. After the Riful incident you think the Org would protect the young claymores if they don't want them to awaken, but they don't.

.

But the thing is. The whole Teresa hunt was a debaticle to began with. They didn't even take into consideration that someone might awaken. And well since it was Teresa who hardly used here yoma to began with, I don't think that they believed she ever would have awakened.
Sending in Priscilla was a mistake to. She would have been fine though against reguler yoma as she learned and grow. They just sent her in to fight Teresa because they had no other option at the time. A bad desision. That doesn't mean that the organisation doesn't really care what happens. Priscilla was to be there golden girl. A powerful Claymore that they could control.
As for Miata they kept her in a shake most of the time. They just sent her on a mission when they relized that Clarice could control her.
And Riful was from the first generation of women Claymores. Sinse they were the first its unsuprising that the had some problems. They were still in the first development stages.
Each time a first has awakened it has been disastrios. The only reason why the whole Priscilla incadant wasn't as bad as previous awakenings was because they were n the middle of nowhere.
And they don't care? I'm willing to bet that one of the main reason for creating Alice and Beth was just to counter the Abysal ones. I'm betting they don't want more to contend with. The fact is, some Claymores are just so strong that they can't be handled or controled properly no matter what they do. So if some die... thats OK. If we have to half destroy the organisaton just so we can develop a weopon so we can stay in control. So be it.


As for Raphalea. The organisation cared about her too. They manipulated her emotions. They added to her guilt and made her feel responsible for her sisters awakening. Rather then blaming the organisation for actually making her sister awaken. She blames herself for not bieng "strong enough" to pull her back. So she didn't seek revenge against them. Then they sent her off by herself, not even daring to put her considerable power to use because they feared that they couldn't control her. It wasn't untill after Isley made his move, and the organisation could offer her something, before they risked using her.

[Simley]

Each time a first has awakened it has been disastrios. The only reason why the whole Priscilla incadant wasn't as bad as previous awakenings was because they were n the middle of nowhere.


right...losing claymore 1 through to 5 is not a disaster :) I figure those top 5 claymores would have had enough power to take out all the remaining 42 claymores by themselves. In fact, I think Teresa alone could have done that....but I digress

Priscilla destroyed many many towns until running into Isley.

Of course the organization cares about their claymores awakening. It would be ludicrous for them to note care since it directly conflicts with their goals. The problem with the Teresa situation was they underestimated her way too much and thought too highly of Priscilla. Some might argue it was partly her fault for not demonstrating her prowess earlier. In that case, the Org would have left her alone until such a time that Priscilla was ready to fight her instead of sending her so fresh. A more experienced and ruthless Priscilla might not have spared Teresa when she had the chance for a sneak kill attack.

But still, not matter how hard I try, I can't get my mind around Teresa's power. It's mind boggling that a former #1 (rosemary) would be so scared of a 10% release and claymores 2 through to 5 would be manhandled with such ease. I know this line of thinking has been discussed countless times in the past, but it's something that I will never completely fathom without wondering...what the hell was Teresa really.

[Awakened]

Of course the organization cares about their claymores awakening. It would be ludicrous for them to note care since it directly conflicts with their goals. The problem with the Teresa situation was they underestimated her way too much and thought too highly of Priscilla. Some might argue it was partly her fault for not demonstrating her prowess earlier. In that case, the Org would have left her alone until such a time that Priscilla was ready to fight her instead of sending her so fresh. A more experienced and ruthless Priscilla might not have spared Teresa when she had the chance for a sneak kill attack.

Do you realy think the Org cares about Claymores awakening?

The Org gets a pass for Riful, but did the Org learn anything from Riful awakening?

Priscilla looked like she was more stable than Miata, so it might seem that its ok to send her on a mission, but could a claymore be to young to be sent on a mission?

If you were in the Org, would you send Miata on a mission? (assuming you care if she awakens or not)

What do you mean when you say it conflicts with there goal?
The mibs have been ingnoring ABs for years, one more AB should not make that much of a differece to them.

[tenken627]

ABs conflicting with the Organization's goals depends on what the Organization's true goals are. Hard to say right now since we don't know what those goals are.

It is true that the Organization didn't care much for ABs in the past, or at least they never actively pursued them. AB hunts are only brought about if a village or town sends for one, much like a regular yoma request. Now whether or not the Organization's mode of operation regarding ABs is intentional, planned, due to lack of concern, and/or due to lack of power is debatable.

Either way, Isley has changed everything in that he directly attacked the Organization. Even though he only sent a diversionary force, it's still an attack that possibly could have caused the Organization's destruction if it wasn't for Alicia and Beth.

The Organization should have no choice but to become highly aware of AB movements now if they haven't already been doing so in the past.

[Davitz]

is there a chapter this month?

[tenken627]

is there a chapter this month?

It might be appropriate to reopen or recreate the chapter 79 discussion thread. Part of Jump SQ's TOC has appeared and shows that Claymore will be appearing in the upcoming issue.

Source: TSStorry.com
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa227/mjrpwt/sqjunextra.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa227/mjrpwt/sqjunextra.jpg

[Ryuken]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa227/mjrpwt/sqjunextra.jpg

Yes, saw this in your earlier post.:)

[racjona]

oooooohhhhh joy :)
I love that "photo" :)

I think we'll finally see 7 years older kid ... (ha, that will be comedy for me if he appears in #79 :heh: )

[hell88]

Looks like the chapter will finally be out after all. Good I thought I was going to die if I had to wait a month more.

[Vinak]

only 34 pages though?

[hell88]

The chapters are usually always around that length, but as long as there is a lot of questions that we have get answered I will be happy. Oh yeah if there isn't a cliffehanger at the ending at this chapter I think I will be happy too, because I can't stand cliffehangers and then wait a whole month again just to see what's happening and have another cliffehanger!

[chibamonster]

88, I am sorry to say that there will probably be a cliffhanger like most every other chapter...

[hell88]

88, I am sorry to say that there will probably be a cliffhanger like most every other chapter...

DAMN!:frustrated:

Well I should be used to cliffehangers in claymore by now since almost every chapter in claymore has cliffehangers in it.

[Vinak]

The chapters are usually always around that length, but as long as there is a lot of questions that we have get answered I will be happy. Oh yeah if there isn't a cliffehanger at the ending at this chapter I think I will be happy too, because I can't stand cliffehangers and then wait a whole month again just to see what's happening and have another cliffehanger!

considering its been 2 months since a chapter... that comes out to 17 pages per month :(

[chibamonster]

Hey, it was a vacation month for yagi! It kind of defeats the purpose to take a month off and be expected to do the work of 2 months. If he did the work last month then he may as well have released the manga last month. I hope he did something fun with his break because mangaka's live under a giant deadline guillotine most of their lives.

And wait a second, what kind of person takes a picture of the table of contents and not the rest of the manga!? I wonder the same thing about some of the spoiler pictures that appear. If they have part of it do they not have all of it? That means claymores 79 is out there somewhere...

[Claes]

When will we get the new chapter? This weekend or next weekend?

[chibamonster]

There are already pics popping up for the chapter. It should be very very soon...

[mosmos]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa227/mjrpwt/cm_june_extra.jpg

I can hardly wait man !!!

[MalakTawus]

I think it's about time to reopen the 79-chapter's thread.....but this thread is a real record!!!!

[Sordes Pilosus]

Well there are alot of speculations about whats to come and the story is picking up some.

[Jonova]

I just read the new chapter, oh man it is massive xD

[tunjee01]

where did u read it?

[Jonova]

where did u read it?

Some Chinese group released it, yay for Chinese :D

[zato_1one]

ZOMG!!!

Can you please PM me the link? :D

[racjona]

Me too !! Beg you :)

[Newhope]

Very nice chapter looks like Miria tells the others her big secret.

[Jonova]

Very nice chapter looks like Miria tells the others her big secret.

more like the organization's big secret ;P

[Newhope]

Ya.

Humans and ABs fighting together at the end really surprised me though.

[v1nx]

were did you, guys, read it?
maybe you can PM me link too? =)

[Jonova]

Ya.

Humans and ABs fighting together at the end really surprised me though.


I don't think they are necessarily ABs, they are just whatever monster the org's enemy had.

[Newhope]

I don't think they are necessarily ABs, they are just whatever monster the org's enemy had.


Maybe they aren't but they sure look like ABs ,if there not they could be another enemy coming into the story later on.

[Jonova]

Maybe they aren't but they sure look like ABs ,if there not they could be another enemy coming into the story later on.


Well the Claymore would we knew pior to chapter 78 turned out just to be some isolated island out of no where and there is a world that maybe thousands times bigger out there.
So yea there's gonna be plenty of new enemies lurking in the new world ;P

[zato_1one]

Don't understand at all!!! Bwa ha ha ha :heh:

But thank you very much. +rep for u :bow:

[Newhope]

Well the Claymore would we knew pior to chapter 78 turned out just to be some isolated island out of no where and there is a world that maybe thousands times bigger out there.
So yea there's gonna be plenty of new enemies lurking in the new world ;P


Ya and for all we know they could be other ORGs creating claymores or something close to it.I hope Norihiro Yagi is setting up claymore to last longer than the 25 volume he's planned because hes just made the world a whole lot bigger.

[Jonova]

Ya and for all we know they could be other ORGs creating claymores or something close to it.I hope Norihiro Yagi is setting up claymore to last longer than the 25 volume he's planned because hes just made the world a whole lot bigger.


I am not sure I want that lol, at the current rate I'd be some where around 30 by the time Claymore reaches volume 25. I don't want to be reading Claymore with my kids >_<

[Newhope]

I am not sure I want that lol, at the current rate I'd be some where around 30 by the time Claymore reaches volume 25. I don't want to be reading Claymore with my kids >_<


I wouldn't mind some mangas run for 20+ years and claymores as good if not better than most of them.

[tunjee01]

once they start running for too long they'll get boring

[Newhope]

They only start to get boreing when the artists start running out of ideas on how to carry on the story thats when the fillers start to creep in,if he keeps to the 25 volume limit I think claymore would start to suffer later on as he starts to struggle to fit everything in.

[mosmos]

Chapter 79 is super completely out of my expectation...

I guess Pricilla, Ritful and gang are just small fry now...

How the hell is the story going to proceed from here ??

[Newhope]

Chapter 79 is super completely out of my expectation...

I guess Pricilla, Ritful and gang are just small fry now...

How the hell is the story going to proceed from here ??

It was well worth the wait wasen't it:D

[Sordes Pilosus]

So there is a supposed release of the Chinease raw. I dont like the rar files their supposed to be in so i did not instal it, ill wait intil i see a clean rar with the images in it before i download anything.

[mosmos]

It was well worth the wait wasen't it:D

Yes Miria .. you are right :D

Good Night...

[chen75205]

Can someone pm me the link to the Chinese translations? Thanks in advance.:D

[Sleepy Speculator]

Does this mean the raw scan is out already, and that someone's working on the translation? This may call for the 79 thread to be re-opened.

[tunjee01]

Could someone please pm me the link to the scans. Thanks

[tenken627]

I'm kinda mad that Galatea still hasn't regenerated her eyes and arm yet, but this chapter actually is very short in time passage. She has plenty of time later on. The whole chapter just covers the conversation right after Agatha's death and no more, even though it seems like some very important revelations regarding the WoC (World of Claymore) and the Organization.

Question for someone who can read Chinese:

There is a small picture near the end, near where they show the war with the humans and ABs (or what look like giant ABs).
It shows 5, possibly 6 men dressed in black surrounding what looks like a bed or a table with possibly another person laying on it. Are they the MiBs? Are they showing a Claymore transfusion operation, maybe even the first operation ever? Thanks.

[tunjee01]

Thanks tenken

[Newhope]

Front cover.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/926/50331098zl7.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50331098zl7.jpg)

[Sordes Pilosus]

Ok seen the Chinease one now. My kind of chapter, alot of talking and story advancement. Looking forward to seing a translated version now.

[tenken627]

Chapter 79 is super completely out of my expectation...

I guess Pricilla, Ritful and gang are just small fry now...

How the hell is the story going to proceed from here ??

Now I understand what you meant about that comment.

All I gotta say is, whoa. Very very unexpected.

[Jonova]

I'm kinda mad that Galatea still hasn't regenerated her eyes and arm yet, but this chapter actually is very short in time passage. She has plenty of time later on. The whole chapter just covers the conversation right after Agatha's death and no more, even though it seems like some very important revelations regarding the WoC (World of Claymore) and the Organization.

Question for someone who can read Chinese:

There is a small picture near the end, near where they show the war with humans and ABs.
It shows 5, possibly 6 men dressed in black surrounding what looks like a bed or a table with possibly another person laying on it. Are they the MiBs? Are they showing a Claymore transfusion operation, maybe even the first operation ever? Thanks.


At the beginning of the chapter one of the ghost 7, (Cynthia I think?) went to help Galatea regenerate her arm with yoki manipulation, which Galatea politely refused since she is a defensive type and can do it herself.
Then they made some comment about her eyes and she said she can not regenerate the eyes anymore since regeneration are based on memories. Because she lost her eye so long ago, they can not be regenerated anymore.

Before I start talking about the "war with ABs and human". I would strongly recommend everyone to wait for an English release and read it yourself, since that's pretty much the whole chapter is about.


At some point in the chapter, Miria said :"We are here to destory the organization."
Which Galatea quickly questioned: "Without the organization to protect human from yoma, what would they do?"
At that point, Miria started to reveal all her discovery about the organization blah blah blah. In the end, Miria concludes all the yoma are created by the organization as well.
Which of course, left everyone in shock. Miria then proceed to explain the reason behind her theory:
outside the continent of Claymore, there were nations waging wars against each other. As nations fall and raise, there were two big nations/alliance left, one of them is known as the descendants of dragon. The descendants of dragon nation was somehow able to ally with/tame vastly powerful monsters and put them into war, which obviously leave their rival in huge disadvantage. Hoping to turn the tide of the battle, their rival then started to experiment half human/half monster warriors on some isolated island.
And that island, is the world we knew as Claymore.

[mycen]

Was reading throught the chinese scans... Helen is still making funny faces and comments as usual :)

I may be somehwat wrong about my translation...
In the aftermath, the soldiers are wondering if a new enemy has arrived. Sid assures them that it is all OK..
Miria is telling Clarice that their only hope is to run away from the organization...
Galatea is criticizing their intention to take revenge on the org ... tells them though the org doesnot treat claymores well they serve a critical needs for humans at large...
Miria then decides to reveal the org secret as some members of the fab7 begin to agree with Galatea..
Seems like Miria is saying that their Claymore weapons are not made in the Claymore continent but outside..

[Newhope]

At the beginning of the chapter one of the ghost 7, (Cynthia I think?) went to help Galatea regenerate her arm with yoki manipulation, which Galatea politely refused since she is a defensive type and can do it herself.
Then they made some comment about her eyes and she said she can not regenerate the eyes anymore since regeneration are based on memories. Because she lost her eye so long ago, they can not be regenerated anymore.

Before I talk about the "war with ABs and human". I would strongly recommend everyone to wait for an English release and read it yourself, since that's pretty much the whole chapter is about.


At some point in the chapter, Miria said :"We are here to destory the organization."
Which Galatea quickly questioned: "Without the organization to protect human from yoma, what would they do?"
At that point, Miria became to reveal all her discovery about the organization blah blah. In the end, Miria concludes all the yoma are created by the organization as well.
Which of course, left everyone in shock. Miria then proceed to explain the reason behind her theory:
outside the continent of Claymore, there were nations waging wars against each other. As nations fall and raise, there were two big nations/alliance left, one of them is known as the descendants of dragon. The descendants of dragon nation was somehow able to ally with/tame vastly powerful monsters and put them into war which obviously leave their rival in huge disadvantage. Hoping to turn the tide of the battle, their rival then started to experiment half human/half monster warriors on some isolated island.
And that island, is the world we knew as Claymore.



If i've read it right Claymores may have just become the underdogs in this new world its scary to think theres something even more powerful out there.

It also seems to me yoma may be an earlier form of claymore or where the monsters with human parts added to them

[Claes]

could someone pm me the link for the chinese RAW?
many thanks

EDIT
nevermind, I think I found it

[zato_1one]

Oh! WOW! If it's true then how awesome it is if we see...
Riful joins force with Isley!!! (for temporary) :p

[mycen]

Oh! WOW! If it's true then how awesome it is if we see...
Riful joins force with Isley!!! (for temporary) :p

Would be more awesome if Yagi san would include more D&D type creatures like dragons etc etc...
Hey we got a surprised look from Miata after Miria's revelations!

[tenken627]

At the beginning of the chapter one of the ghost 7, (Cynthia I think?) went to help Galatea regenerate her arm with yoki manipulation, which Galatea politely refused since she is a defensive type and can do it herself.
Then they made some comment about her eyes and she said she can not regenerate the eyes anymore since regeneration are based on memories. Because she lost her eye so long ago, they can not be regenerated anymore.

Before I talk about the "war with ABs and human". I would strongly recommend everyone to wait for an English release and read it yourself, since that's pretty much the whole chapter is about.


At some point in the chapter, Miria said :"We are here to destory the organization."
Which Galatea quickly questioned: "Without the organization to protect human from yoma, what would they do?"
At that point, Miria became to reveal all her discovery about the organization blah blah. In the end, Miria concludes all the yoma are created by the organization as well.
Which of course, left everyone in shock. Miria then proceed to explain the reason behind her theory:
outside the continent of Claymore, there were nations waging wars against each other. As nations fall and raise, there were two big nations/alliance left, one of them is known as the descendants of dragon. The descendants of dragon nation was somehow able to ally with/tame vastly powerful monsters and put them into war which obviously leave their rival in huge disadvantage. Hoping to turn the tide of the battle, their rival then started to experiment half human/half monster warriors on some isolated island.
And that island, is the world we knew as Claymore.



Thank you Jonovo :).


Someone told me about the wars, but the part where Galatea revealed that she can't regenerate her eyes is a surprise, and a disappointment.

I'm saddened now, and I bet many others will be too. Maybe she can take someone else's eyes and implant them like Irene's arm on Clare? :)

But, I guess we're most likely gonna be stuck with blind Galatea, even though her youki-sensing is so much stronger now that it's not as bad as being totally blind.

Back to the wars, this must be a very long ongoing conflict, since Claymores supposedly go back to at least a couple centuries (Teresa is of the 77th generation). If Alicia and Beth's soul link is the very weapon that the Organization has sought to annihilate the Descendants of the Dragon, that's a very long time from start to finish.

They probably had high hopes for Teresa and Priscilla in this manner as well?

Also, I gotta remember that this is only just Miria's knowledge so far, and largely her own speculation. There could be some errors and many things she doesn't know yet, which I expect should be revealed shortly as well in the upcoming chapters.

[Sordes Pilosus]

Interesting. I cant wait for the new Chapter thread to open so one can talk about it better. But it is indeed a shocker for the "Claymore World" it will atlest give my speculations a huge dent in possible timeline.

[Sordes Pilosus]

Tenken, thats actualy a very interesting perspective. But there is a other twist aswell What if:


Lets say the Decendants of the Dragon already won that other war. Then come to realise about the "world" that everyone has thought to be the whole so far and come to remove the last element of their old enemy ? Would be grand to see a Large scale lineup of AB's and Claymore's facing an Invading Army.

[tenken627]

Tenken, thats actualy a very interesting perspective. But there is a other twist aswell What if:


Lets say the Decendants of the Dragon already won that other war. Then come to realise about the "world" that everyone has thought to be the whole so far and come to remove the last element of their old enemy ? Would be grand to see a Large scale lineup of AB's and Claymore's facing an Invading Army.



That is possible too, and that the Organization is the last remnants of the nation that lost the war to the Descendants of the Dragon (DoD)?

And that the Claymore island (feels weird calling it an island, maybe it's an island continent like Australia?) is the last territory that the Organization has some type of control over even though the inhabitants don't know about it.

If the MiBs wanted to create powerful beings to offset the Descendants of the Dragon's usage of monsters, they may actually have wanted their Claymores to awaken at first before realizing that the ABs are virtually uncontrollable. This is why the soul link is the perfect solution for them.

It also seems like the DoD's monsters are nothing like yomas and ABs since the MiBs are the ones who initially created them? Or did the MiBs take something (like flesh) from the DoD monsters to initially create yomas and eventually Claymores and ABs.

Ahhhh, the questions in my head!!

[Jonova]

If i've read it right Claymores may have just become the underdogs in this new world its scary to think theres something even more powerful out there.

It also seems to me yoma may be an earlier form of claymore or where the monsters with human parts added to them

Good point, that's entirely possible.

Thank you Jonovo :).



I'm saddened now, and I bet many others will be too. Maybe she can take someone else's eyes and implant them like Irene's arm on Clare? :)




You are welcomed =)

I guess they could do that, but who's eye are they gonna use? Raki's? *roll eyes* :P
Anyways, it seems Galatea willingly gave up her eyes to be able to live as normal human and is still quite happy about that, so I am happy for her too.






Back to the wars, this must be a very long ongoing conflict, since Claymores supposedly go back to at least a couple centuries (Teresa is of the 77th generation). If Alicia and Beth's soul link is the very weapon that the Organization has sought to annihilate the Descendants of the Dragon, that's a very long time from start to finish.




That's true, but it seems the organization's goal is to create ABs rather than Claymores in the first place. So they could be shipping ABs who were reasonable enough to follow order to the battle field all those years.(like the first AB fab4 faced)

[Vinak]

this twist doesn't necessarily make the Abysmal ones "small fry" if they Abysmal ones become "small fry" it would defeat the purpose of them all together along with the tension between Clare and Pricilla. this twist just gives the G7 a reason to destroy the organization. they are probably importing "wild monsters" to the island to test the claymore experiments with.

[Sordes Pilosus]

That is possible too, and that the Organization is the last remnants of the nation that lost the war to the Descendants of the Dragon (DoD)?

And that the Claymore island (feels weird calling it an island, maybe it's an island continent like Australia?) is the last territory that the Organization has some type of control over even though the inhabitants don't know about it.

If the MiBs wanted to create powerful beings to offset the Descendants of the Dragon's usage of monsters, they may actually have wanted their Claymores to awaken at first before realizing that the ABs are virtually uncontrollable. This is why the soul link is the perfect solution for them.

It also seems like the DoD's monsters are nothing like yomas and ABs since the MiBs are the ones who initially created them? Or did the MiBs take something (like flesh) from the DoD monsters to initially create yomas and eventually Claymores and ABs.

Ahhhh, the questions in my head!!



That sounds very plausable, it would also explain quite a bit of why AB's havent been hunted down activly. Should DoD come to the continent the AB's would not have just sat stil either and possible "truces" would be possible and a way to repel them would becomme available. But with the recent Organisation and Agression from AB's this tactic is no longer available to the Org so their forced to hunt down a larger % of the AB's. And indeed Soul Link would be the baseline of what they would want. a Controlable Super Monster, if true i think we will hear about alot of Twins being taken away.

And what about the Birth of Youma ? Children implanted at a young age intil they mutate ? Cant say ive seen a single Female Youma yet, so perhaps this is some of the thruth of the "Missing Children?" The North creates Youma, the East Creates Claymore's ?. But it doesent sound really plausable but we have suspected that the Org has been creating Youma for quite some time. But the independant actions from Youma does kinda make it hard to understand. Has the Org lost control of the production of Youma ? Do they self produce now ?

[tenken627]

Good point, that's entirely possible.



You are welcomed =)

I guess they could do that, but who's eye are they gonna use? Raki's? *roll eyes* :P
Anyways, it seems Galatea willingly gave up her eyes to be able to live as normal human and is still quite happy about that, so I am happy for her too.




All eyes turn to Yuma.

Yuma: "Me???"

Galatea did seem quite happy living with normal humans, but we still don't know as of yet if she will leave with the Ghost 7 or stay in Rabona (or elsewhere) with regular people.


That's true, but it seems the organization's goal is to create ABs rather than Claymores in the first place. So they could be shipping ABs who were reasonable enough to follow order to the battle field all those years.(like the first AB fab4 faced)


Yeah, I kinda figured that the ABs are the result that the Organization wanted the whole time, which is why I thought the MiBs probably wanted their Claymores to awaken at first.

That would explain why ABs weren't actively hunted unless given a request. I'm not sure about shipping ABs who were reasonable enough since they do not seem to be controllable at all. Which is why they need the soul link with Alicia and Beth. If Priscilla, Isley, Riful, and Luciela were controllable, the MiBs would use them against the DoD monsters instead of needing Alicia and Beth.

this twist doesn't necessarily make the Abysmal ones "small fry" if they Abysmal ones become "small fry" it would defeat the purpose of them all together along with the tension between Clare and Pricilla. this twist just gives the G7 a reason to destroy the organization. they are probably importing "wild monsters" to the island to test the claymore experiments with.




That is true, AOs are not necessarily small fries. They could be the equal or superior to the monster armies that the DoDs have. The problem with that is the Organization's lack of control over them.

That sounds very plausable, it would also explain quite a bit of why AB's havent been hunted down activly. Should DoD come to the continent the AB's would not have just sat stil either and possible "truces" would be possible and a way to repel them would becomme available. But with the recent Organisation and Agression from AB's this tactic is no longer available to the Org so their forced to hunt down a larger % of the AB's. And indeed Soul Link would be the baseline of what they would want. a Controlable Super Monster, if true i think we will hear about alot of Twins being taken away.

And what about the Birth of Youma ? Children implanted at a young age intil they mutate ? Cant say ive seen a single Female Youma yet, so perhaps this is some of the thruth of the "Missing Children?" The North creates Youma, the East Creates Claymore's ?. But it doesent sound really plausable but we have suspected that the Org has been creating Youma for quite some time. But the independant actions from Youma does kinda make it hard to understand. Has the Org lost control of the production of Youma ? Do they self produce now ?



Maybe the Organization has control over some of the yomas and not all? The ones under Org control would include the yomas used in the final Claymore test before graduation and the destruction of towns that don't pay. But, there are many other yomas out there that don't seem to be under Organization control, like the ones in Riful's cave.

Yomas were initially created by the Organization, but maybe they multiplied somehow in the wilderness without the MiB's knowledge?

[Jonova]

That would explain why ABs weren't actively hunted unless given a request. I'm not sure about shipping ABs who were reasonable enough since they do not seem to be controllable at all. Which is why they need the soul link with Alicia and Beth. If Priscilla, Isley, Riful, and Luciela were controllable, the MiBs would use them against the DoD monsters instead of needing Alicia and Beth.





It is true we haven't seem much controllable ABs yet, but like I said the AB fab4 faced during their first AB hunt was obviously doing the orginzation's betting. So the orginzation was somehow able to get to him, either by brutal force or some other means.
And if we think from another perspective, Teresa was #1 of Claymore generation 77, so there are 76 or more #1s before her. At the rate Claymores are awaking, do you think only 3 of them have awakened? Possible but not likely.

[Vinak]

in all honesty i am having a hard time accepting these spoilers to be true. the twist is too extreme. it destroys everything else that has happened up to this point making the struggles they faced pointless.

[Mikke]

Dragons? what the hell man..?! :frustrated:

[tenken627]

It is true we haven't seem much controllable ABs yet, but like I said the AB fab4 faced during their first AB hunt was obviously doing the orginzation's betting. So the orginzation was somehow able to get to him, either by brutal force or some other means.
And if we think from another perspective, Teresa was #1 of Claymore generation 77, so there are 76 or more #1s before her. At the rate Claymores are awaking, do you think only 3 of them have awakened? Possible but not likely.




I reread the Slashers' Arc.

You may be right, the male AB said that all he does is destroy the warriors sent to kill him in order for him to stay alive. I take it that the Organization would kill off the male AB if he didn't kill the warriors. He is basically an assassin for the MiBs to kill off unwanted Claymores who have become "troublesome". It seems like that's the deal between them that is in place.

The more powerful ABs are the ones that the MiBs covet but are uncontrollable.

About the 76 previous generations #1s.

I'm not sure if 77 generations means that there were 77 #1s specifically. We know that the ranks change all the time, with some new Claymores mixed in with the older ones. While there may have been 77 rank #1's by the time of Teresa like you say, it could be that some of the #1's was #1 for multiple generations.

[Newhope]

Come to think about it they look a bit to uniform to be ABs so it does look like a new race.

As for Number one claymores we can't really tell they could be one per generation or they could be multi number ones unless where told, and i've got a feeling most number one class claymores maybe sent else where and what we have are the left overs.

[francothewise]

can someone plz pm the chinese scans to me plz? thanx in advance

[Sleepy Speculator]

Ah man someone shift all this to the 79 thread, it's gonna be a week before i can click on any of those reveal buttons, and i'm already disturbed...

[tenken627]

in all honesty i am having a hard time accepting these spoilers to be true. the twist is too extreme. it destroys everything else that has happened up to this point making the struggles they faced pointless.

I'm not sure if it destroys everything, it just shifts it in a different direction than anyone pretty much expected.

Here is someone else's rough translation of Chapter 79. Don't read it if you are waiting for the English scans.



mcnick:

SPOLIER!!!..am chinese.am going to translate the important Phrase and story Lines here....if u arent inetersted........................................ ...skip here....SPoliers #79:


Miria Offer Clarice and Miata to escape from the organistaion since returning there without completing the mission will be a death punishment ...and will be consider as a Traitor...and if they stay here..the organistaion would go after their heads.

ANd they are telling Galatea that they will be going to launch an attack on the organistaion...But galatea say Without the Organistaion ppl will live their lives in fear of Yoma in future....BUt then Miria says she has suspected that Yoma has always been born in the organistaion in the first place.....

Miria believe that the claymore they are holding are created for tougher fights like awakened ones.or something even tougher....cuz they have never once crack or break into 2 b4...Miria has search all over the place as well as the Organistaion for the material that is use to create the Claymore sword,but she has found None.

Miria believe that there is a bigger "world" outside theirs..but its not a peaceful world..nations fought to gain another's land..and there is a nation where man and "unnatural being" unite and created a strong alliances,however a centuary ago the "unnatural beings" and humans finally fall out too...and split into 2..

One side of them invented a way to create an ultimate weapon that will make any Human who wield it turn into a "demon".for the power is too strong to behold they put it far out from the very land they were in...a place where "awaken being/Yoma" is created!!..end

sorry for spelling mistake.......

[Theman]

yeah we need to start a thread for 79

[zato_1one]

I think we've to wait for English translation before speculate any further. <_<

[Jonova]

About the 76 previous generations #1s.

I'm not sure if 77 generations means that there were 77 #1s specifically. We know that the ranks change all the time, with some new Claymores mixed in with the older ones. While there may have been 77 rank #1's by the time of Teresa like you say, it could be that some of the #1's was #1 for multiple generations.


I just read the new chapter again and found something interesting.

When talking about the experiment, Miria specifically said the experiment started about an century ago, and the tale of yoma being around eating people since the beginning of time was forged to cover up the truth. (obviously Teresa being generation 77 is also not true in that case, she was probably generation 7 or something)

I find that kind hard to believe but that's what the translation says, it does explain why was there only 3 #1 ABs tho.

[Sordes Pilosus]

If this is the case that the Experiments started about a centurary ago. We can then estimate around 100-150 Years has passed. If we then more take the generations as:

Periods where the Majority of the Active Claymore's where of a certain time period. For instance: Currently it would be a new generation active because most fell in Pieta before, so the active population is majority replaced. In early days it would most likly have been replaced at a more rapid rate so lets say currently as things are more stabil it takes roughtly 5Years for the total active population to go into a new generation. This would fit for Clare aswell with her comming in "late" in the 78Generation. So if we look at it this way then we could get a better understanding on the way generations are outlined. Also in early days it might be more like every half a year or year before generations get taken because of "more experimental situations"

[MalakTawus]

1_Teresa is in the 77's generation but it's quite obvious that a number-one life is way longer than a single generation (think about how many gen. Raphaela survived.....).
2_I think that Priscilla will remain the strongest enemy(probably far stronger than the new ones) because if not all the story so far will be very damaged imo,and in a way or another Claire has to remain the center of the story=only Claire can kill Priscilla,Claire and no one else.
3_Don't you think that the special thing that Riful has discovered to balance the powers with Priscilla could be a possible alliance with the DoD?

[Awakened]

Im in the dark, can someone PM me the link?

[Jonova]

There is a new version out on ww.tsstorry.com, it is in jpg format, high res, 34mbs in total, and of course in Chinese again. You will need an account on their website to get it tho.

[irvinethearcher]

Can someone please pm me the link for the new chapter?

[Awakened]

I guess all claymores from #1 to 47 are just a big experiment. The citizines are expendable.
It's ironic how the Org kill the Claymores for killing humans, but the Org them self are risponsible for the death of millions.

[tenken627]

I just read the new chapter again and found something interesting.

When talking about the experiment, Miria specifically said the experiment started about an century ago, and the tale of yoma being around eating people since the beginning of time was forged to cover up the truth. (obviously Teresa being generation 77 is also not true in that case, she was probably generation 7 or something)

I find that kind hard to believe but that's what the translation says, it does explain why was there only 3 #1 ABs tho.



Well, one thing that pops in my mind is that the Organization really doesn't like their Claymores living long. We knew this before, but now this back story puts extra emphasis on it.

Claymores may not even live as long as we thought (and that was pretty short already) and it's not like the Organization would care. Claymores are just experiments to them anyways.

[hell88]

I was just thinking but I read a spoiler on here posted by someone, and in that spoiler it said there was a part with someone on a table and a bunch of men in black around it. So then I thought if it is the MIB's what if they are experimenting on Raki? Now I really can't wait to read this chapter.

[francothewise]

can someone pm the link too please?

[hydropod]

Complete pandemonium in Chinese forums over chap 79.... Basically the first 79 chapters just had became the prologue....

[Newhope]

I was just thinking but I read a spoiler on here posted by someone, and in that spoiler it said there was a part with someone on a table and a bunch of men in black around it. So then I thought if it is the MIB's what if they are experimenting on Raki? Now I really can't wait to read this chapter.

It isen't him it's something that happened about 100 years ago, is it just me or do some of them look like the MIB we've already seen.

[Jonova]

It isen't him it's something that happened about 100 years ago, is it just me or do some of them look like the MIB we've already seen.

they do, but then again, Yagi draws every MiB pretty much the same lol.

[hell88]

It isen't him it's something that happened about 100 years ago, is it just me or do some of them look like the MIB we've already seen.

Yeah I realized it wasn't him after I found some scans. To bad its only 17 pages.

Hey has anyone else noticed that whenever a claymore chapter comes out after two months it is 17 pages? So the next time Yagi takes time off or whatever expect the chapter to be 17 pages instead of 32.

[Newhope]

Yeah I realized it wasn't him after I found some scans. To bad its only 17 pages.

Hey has anyone else noticed that whenever a claymore chapter comes out after two months it is 17 pages? So the next time Yagi takes time off or whatever expect the chapter to be 17 pages instead of 32.

The copy i've got is 33 pages.

[Jonova]

Yeah I realized it wasn't him after I found some scans. To bad its only 17 pages.

Hey has anyone else noticed that whenever a claymore chapter comes out after two months it is 17 pages? So the next time Yagi takes time off or whatever expect the chapter to be 17 pages instead of 32.

It is actually 34 pages, your version probably combined 2 pages into 1.

[yogi6807]

An extra month and this is what we get. I just don't get it.:confused: Maybe when somebody puts out the english translation I will be able to grasp on to it. Why make the world bigger when they still haven't even figured out more than north, south, east, and west? Now everyone on the Island will be friends, previous storyline thrown out the window, to destroy the dragon whatevers? But they are going to attack and destroy their only link to any information on the dragon whatevers or how to get to off their island/continent and what to expect off the island/continent?

[yezhanquan]

Now, the map, and board, widens. This little war is just beginning.

[tenken627]

Like I said in the other thread, I really don't think this really changes the story up much.

With only 10 volumes left, I don't think we're going to have some huge global war over many different continents.

All of this is back story and Claymore world history. We knew that there was some back story to the organization and more to the Claymore world, now we know.

[Vinak]

10 volumes = 60 chapters = 5 years

[yezhanquan]

Like I said in the other thread, I really don't think this really changes the story up much.

With only 10 volumes left, I don't think we're going to have some huge global war over many different continents.

All of this is back story and Claymore world history. We knew that there was some back story to the organization and more to the Claymore world, now we know.

Agreed. Anyway, I don't think Yagi has the ability to go on with the series for much longer. We'll just have to see how the whole thing works out, assuming that it does.

[francothewise]

is it possible to get a link to read the chinese version online? can someone pm me the link?

[yezhanquan]

Downloading the torrent as I speak. And can we get NSW to unlock the chapter 79 thread?

[NoSanninWa]

Downloading the torrent as I speak. And can we get NSW to unlock the chapter 79 thread?

I'm taking care of it now, as usual at the end of the month.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I don't really think the power structure has changed that much tbh.

If Alicia/Beth are what the Organization is after to counter an entire army of these "DoD" then the Abyssal Ones, and Priscilla especially, will remain extremely high up on the food chain.

The Organization themselves have just had a huge spot-light thrown on them, so many things make alot more sense now, their unbreakable swords, the near immorality of the MiB, the fact they can actually create half-human hybrids. Their "implied" control of Yoma and certain ABs. Not to mention their extremely strange policies in dealing with ABs.



I think that Yagi has the skill to make this work, but I still want to see a word for word translation of the chapter before I make too many assumptions.

[MalakTawus]

I'm sure Claymore will last more than 25 volumes.

[yezhanquan]

I'm sure Claymore will last more than 25 volumes.

I seriously hope not. For a monthly series to drag that long will be a drain on anyone's nerves.

[Cyclone]

I seriously hope not. For a monthly series to drag that long will be a drain on anyone's nerves.

Speak for yourself

[Fenrir_valindri]

If Berserk can do it, so can Claymore :p

[yezhanquan]

Berserk was serialised in a bi-weekly magazine. That's twice the speed of Claymore, and I assume for a bi-weekly magazine, the length is akin to Yagi-sensei's monthly output. Rosario Vampire's chapters are slightly longer compared to Claymore's.

[NoSanninWa]

Berserk's a weekly series.
No it isn't. Berserk is monthly -- most of the time. Sometimes it isn't even monthly.

As for Claymore's purported 25 chapter length -- that is what Yagi-sensei has said, so it is likely correct.

[yezhanquan]

That's weird. How do you have 240+ chapters in a time frame of 20 years if you're a monthly series? Young Animal is a bi-monthly magazine, though I suspect Beserk's mangaka skips it regularly.

I think NSW means 25 volumes, which means 11*6... approximately 66 chapters more, since 14 is coming soon.

[tenken627]

That's weird. How do you have 240+ chapters in a time frame of 20 years if you're a monthly series? Young Animal is a bi-monthly magazine, though I suspect Beserk's mangaka skips it regularly.

I think NSW means 25 volumes.

If there are 12 months a year, wouldn't that mean by 20 years, you have 240 chapters that have come out monthly?

20x12 = 240?

[yezhanquan]

According to wiki's count, there's currently close to 300 chapters (295).

[tenken627]

But, if Berserk was a bi-weekly, then wouldn't there be around 480 chapters?

[yezhanquan]

Hence, my conclusion that Berserk's mangaka doesn't publish in every issue of Young Animal. If he's in a good mood (which are rare), he has 2 in a month, otherwise, it's once a month.

[tenken627]

I don't know, I never actually read the Berserk manga. I was just responding to you when you said you thought it was weird for a monthly manga to have 240 chapters in 20 years. I thought it was weird for you saying that was weird.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Berserk regularly takes "breaks" from its bi-weekly release schedule, so much so that it technically releases slower then a monthly manga half the time, hence the reason it has the number of chapters it does.

Berserk is still quite interesting, but the EXTREMELY slow release pace annoys me, and makes Claymore look fast in comparison, at least Claymore has released 78 + 4 chapters consistently (even when its primary magazine was shut down for awhile) the last few years, and has only taken a break once to my knowledge; last month.

[Droplet]

I'm throwing this one out there, but do any of you guys think if male awkened flesh is infused into a female warrior that would probably mess up with there genetics and everything. Mabye why Clarice is a failed experiment, or mabye why Rachel looks like a man.

Well, I think that kind of sounds like the 'Undine Experiment'.

[Droplet]

Actually - quite the opposite.
I appears to me that the US release actually photoshopped the genetilia out.
Vol.2 - p157
The Rabona Arc was the only photoshopping I noticed going page by page between raw and release (all for this kind of thing).

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9755/rawmangaclaymorev02157fd8.th.png (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rawmangaclaymorev02157fd8.png)
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1971/claymorev02157ix1.th.png (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=claymorev02157ix1.png)

Oh, they can't just photoshop genitalia out. It sends a wrong implicaion, you know. Yomas need to urinate too, at least. Just because they're monsters don't mean that they have no need for an excretory system.