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Ascaloth
2008-03-04, 23:38
I'm speechless. It would actually work out for the most part as a shoujo crazy-bishounens version! :heh: :D

My interest is piqued. All hail Kyoniko. :D

EDIT: For some reason, Kyoniko gives me the "Shana" vibe....have her be voiced by Kugimiya Rie?

Legacy|iB
2008-03-04, 23:55
I wonder how long it will be until there is some AtsukoXKyon-ko fan art...

It's likely being made as we speak...:p

There is that NSFW image already up on the SOS-dan H image board of Kyon-ko, so I'm willing to guess that more is to follow very soon.

As for the voice editing, it's gotten much better, so hats off to Tuna.

I must add though, the Shinjin dub is just...eerie...

Damn, I can't believe this whole thing is actually going along. I've got to say, my interest is now firmly piqued and I will keep checking this topic for everything else related.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-04, 23:57
There is that NSFW image already up on the SOS-dan H image board of Kyon-ko, so I'm willing to guess that more is to follow very soon.

I'll admit that I would love to be with a girl like Kyon-ko. :heh:

Jintor
2008-03-05, 00:03
I'm also getting a Shana vibe from Kyon-ko, but we need to keep the essential snarky Kyon-ness that makes Kyon... Kyon.

Vexx
2008-03-05, 00:08
Just got up to speed here.... this is actually pretty damned interesting... :)

Tangowr
2008-03-05, 00:12
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3016/1204691653651oa6.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204691653651oa6.jpg)

Kyon&Kyon-ko: Eh...You couldn't be...
The fated Meeting...

renrutal
2008-03-05, 00:12
The only piece that doesn't fit the whole gender bender is Haruhi.

It is easy to play the silent type with Yuuki, trap Minoru, yuri Itsuko, cynical Kyon, even the slutty Taniguchi, all fit really well in the novels, except Haruhi.

Haruhi's actions are really awesome for an heroine, but as a man I can only yawn at him. There isn't enough GAR in the novels to fuel him.

However, the previous talk about Haruhi wanting a bride out of this world, picked up my attention.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 00:15
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3016/1204691653651oa6.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204691653651oa6.jpg)

Kyon&Kyon-ko: Eh...You couldn't be...
The fated Meeting...

HILARIOUS! ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS!

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 00:22
So, has anyone begun work on a doujin visual novel game yet?

I wish...

As I usually do, while it's grammatically fine... are you working off the Baka-Tsuki translations? I'm not feeling the 'flow' of thought here. Of course, I didn't in theirs, either.

I'll pull an editjob but you'll hate me for it. :D

No, please do. That needs editing. Try to help with the shoujo references too. I know nothing about shoujo outside of Ouran.


The latest 4-koma was "Brilliant!" :heh: I wonder if Yuuki should have a droll sense of humor... that only seems to show itself in situations like in that 4-koma? :D

And how about "Atsuko" for female-Itsuki's name?

:cool:

Almost 250 posts? :twitch: In two days? :eek:

Yuuki should so do that.

Atsuko works fine.

And yeah, this is kinda scary. Hard to keep up.

For some reason, Kyoniko gives me the "Shana" vibe....have her be voiced by Kugimiya Rie?

I've been saying this all along... :rolleyes:


There is that NSFW image already up on the SOS-dan H image board of Kyon-ko, so I'm willing to guess that more is to follow very soon.

...Link?

The only piece that doesn't fit the whole gender bender is Haruhi.

It is easy to play the silent type with Yuuki, trap Minoru, yuri Itsuko, cynical Kyon, even the slutty Taniguchi, all fit really well in the novels, except Haruhi.

Haruhi's actions are really awesome for an heroine, but as a man I can only yawn at him. There isn't enough GAR in the novels to fuel him.

However, the previous talk about Haruhi wanting a bride out of this world, picked up my attention.

This is why we make GAR for him. Which is what I plan to do.

Kyon-chan is surprisingly cute. :) Haruhi-kun is a bit Kyon-looking, as I see it. She seems to be Kyon with a hairband... But, I just love female Kyon and Itsuki! ^_^

That's why this topic is so ruddy popular... orz.

Legacy|iB
2008-03-05, 00:31
...Link?



Is it against rules and policy to post NSFW links, etc on the forum?

Then again, you needn't look far. Just visit the SOS-dan H image board and around the top, or at least near the top assuming it hasn't fallen a few places, there's a small topic with the image there under a thread 'TG Haruhi'.

The image itself is nothing special or that well done or that risque - in my opinion - but it does raise a question for me...if you have sex with your alternate genderbent self or form, would it technically be masturbation?

...never mind, forget I even asked...

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 00:33
Dang. This discussion continues to impress me.

I'm editing the first post to include positions that have been filled so far. But that doesn't mean we don't need more help!

I'm only one guy, and managing this behemoth of a project is quite the task. But being elected Danchou was awfully nice of you guys earlier today. :heh:

I'm sure Kaisos needs some help in terms of editing and in overcoming the dreaded writers' block when it strikes.

Tangowr's our first image hunter, but again, everyone is encouraged to post their findings. Especially if it's something we haven't encountered yet.

And panzerfan has contributed some awesome vector art of Kyon-ko, and I hope that can inspire other artists of this forum into action as well.
(I personally look forward to some sketches of the lovely Itsuki-chan.)

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 00:39
The image itself is nothing special or that well done or that risque - in my opinion - but it does raise a question for me...if you have sex with your alternate genderbent self or form, would it technically be masturbation?

...never mind, forget I even asked...

I would say technically, it IS masturbation.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 00:44
Is it against rules and policy to post NSFW links, etc on the forum?

Then again, you needn't look far. Just visit the SOS-dan H image board and around the top, or at least near the top assuming it hasn't fallen a few places, there's a small topic with the image there under a thread 'TG Haruhi'.

The image itself is nothing special or that well done or that risque - in my opinion - but it does raise a question for me...if you have sex with your alternate genderbent self or form, would it technically be masturbation?

...never mind, forget I even asked...

Found it. I don't think it counts as masturbation, though.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 00:46
Must we really have a philosophical discussion on what constitutes as masturbation? I mean Kyon-ko is awesome, but... :twitch:

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 00:47
Must we really have a philosophical discussion on what constitutes as masturbation? I mean Kyon-ko is awesome, but... :twitch:

Well, the picture had Kyon pleasuring Kyon-ko, so that did bring up the question.

Legacy|iB
2008-03-05, 00:49
Oh, I've got another one!

How about this - if you have sex with your alternate genderbent self or form, would be considered incest?

...

:twitch:

...okay, what is wrong with me today?!

You know what, let's just forget the whole thing. It was my mistake - I certainly don't want to involve any discussions about masturbation or incest in a discussion as awesome as a genderbent SHnY.

And so...carry on, I guess...

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 00:50
Well, the picture had Kyon pleasuring Kyon-ko, so that did bring up the question.

*facepalm*

How much of a lead do the Chinese Haruhiists have ahead of us again?

Oh, I've got another one!

How about this - if you have sex with your alternate genderbent self or form, would be considered incest?

...

:twitch:

...okay, what is wrong with me today?!

You know what, let's just forget the whole thing. It was my mistake - I certainly don't want to involve any discussions about masturbation or incest in a discussion as awesome as a genderbent SHnY.

And so...carry on, I guess...

You really need to calm down. :heh:

FatPianoBoy
2008-03-05, 00:51
Yes, let's please move along the discussion to other things :roll:

Tangowr
2008-03-05, 00:52
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7640/1204695459534gg9.th.gif (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204695459534gg9.gif)
Natural Paralle world Kyon-ko
Haruhi changed Kyon-ko
Normal Kyon

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5719/1204695492549te1.th.gif (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204695492549te1.gif)

Lunch time...
suprisingly that Haruki didn't rush straight out..
Not minding, going to backpack to search...
Kyon-ko: Odd....where is it...?
Haruki pat Kyon-ko head from behind...
Kyon-ko: What?
Haruki: Thank you~~(With a big smile)
Kyon-ko: What are you tal..(See what's in his hand)
Kyon-ko: Hey, what are you thanking for THAT's MY LUNCH!! Who said I'm giving it to you, GIVE IT BACK!!
Haruki runs out while yelling, You should be happy that I'm willing to eat your cooking~~
Kyon-ko: What do you mean, you're just too lazy to go buy bread, give me back my lunch!!

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 00:58
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7640/1204695459534gg9.th.gif (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204695459534gg9.gif)

Natural Kyon-ko, Nurtured Kyon-ko, and Original Kyon?

CrowKenobi
2008-03-05, 01:00
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7640/1204695459534gg9.th.gif (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204695459534gg9.gif)http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5719/1204695492549te1.th.gif (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204695492549te1.gif)The first pic (r-l): Kyon, Kyon turned into a girl by Haruhi for various reasons, and Kyon-ko. I personally think that Kyon-ko should be taller: more Minami-type than Shana-type.

Second pic: :heh: Turning the stupid "girl makes lunch for love interest" meme on its head!

:cool:

DannyCat
2008-03-05, 01:06
Haven't seen much Mikuru here yet, but I like this one.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4792/1204694910440ig3.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204694910440ig3.jpg)

Tangowr
2008-03-05, 01:06
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5404/1204696506520xv0.th.gif (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204696506520xv0.gif)
Kyon-ko: The tea is delicious, thank you~ Mikuru-sempai
Mikuru: You're welcome, I'm glad you liked it(Smile)
Kyon-ko: But making tea, that should be my job...
Mikuru: Don't worry, I make the tea because I like it, not because Haruki forces me.
Kyon-ko: Thank you Mikuru sempai~~(Having him around is like having a little sister...sorry Mikuru sempai~~)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8486/1204695935621ud0.th.gif (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204695935621ud0.gif)

Nagato:........(Rub Kyon-ko's head)
Kyon-ko: ??? Nagato...Is there something on my head?
Nagato:.....No...(Continue to rub head)
Kyon-ko: ....? Thinking it odd, but because it's Nagato, so doesn't mind and just let him rub her haid

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5014/1204697236942cl9.th.gif (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204697236942cl9.gif)

Itsuhime: Hehe~~(Smile happily)
Kyon-ko: Itsuhime, isn't this a bit too close?
Itsuhime: Not at all, we're both girl, so it doesn't matter.(Smile brightly)
Kyon-ko: but..(Still think it's weird)
Itsuhime: Beside, I like Kyon-ko, so a hug or two won't hurt~~
Kyon-ko: You...*sign* give up

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 01:08
Haven't seen much Mikuru here yet, but I like this one.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4792/1204694910440ig3.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204694910440ig3.jpg)

Host club; Suzumiya's other manliness training?

Tangowr
2008-03-05, 01:11
The first pic (r-l): Kyon, Kyon turned into a girl by Haruhi for various reasons, and Kyon-ko. I personally think that Kyon-ko should be taller: more Minami-type than Shana-type.

Second pic: :heh: Turning the stupid "girl makes lunch for love interest" meme on its head!

:cool:

More like guy steal girl's lunch...

Bean Bandit
2008-03-05, 01:18
*Ponders*

I have been considering the issue of 'Haruki' being an ill fitting piece of this puzzle. While I applaud the concept of Modeling him on Kamina and The Ouran male lead, I think he might be a little too generic still.

What I'm advocating is...in addition to Kamina and Tamaki...Mix in a dash of Sousuke Sagara as well?

Perhaps not so deadly serious, but an encyclopedic knowledge of Anime and Fiction devoted to his favorite subjects leaves him short on common sense? (The Cosplay Rape Scene with Mitsuuru makes me want to see Haruki tell Kyon-ko that crossdressers are a very important factor with groups of this kind)

As for the Why...Haruki, as he's shaping up right now, doesn't seem as likable as Haruhi. Her aggressiveness translates badly into a male character. (I think this has been said before) If we add something of an endearing blind spot to explain it (Like obviously having watched far too many anime: Something Haruhi {Female} Could also be said to have done, given her impromtu lecture on moe, in the anime, Kyon-ko might be less aggressively inclined. As in "He's not a Jerk, he's just an idiot.")

Side note: Kyon-ko muttering 'Baka' Ala Ruri Hoshino from Nadesico is too cute. @_@

Also, I would like to voice a vote against any influence from Shana in Kyon-ko's evolution. Her Charm comes from Worldweary Sarcasm and aplomb with which she tackles life. There are already far too many Tsunderes that yell and hit things, IMO.

Raijinken
2008-03-05, 02:20
A dash of Sagara?

Hm... you've just given me a mental image of intense military attitude and strategy when Day of Sagitarious comes around.

Now I'm thinking of him 'drooping' when he finds out that Yuuki is the one kicking ass.

...Now I'm thinking of the computer club turning into insane fangirls at the sight of their god, Yuuki. Then getting rabid when they realize he'll be spending time with them. Man that's hilarious. Join the Yuuki harem today!

But wait, at the start of all that, the head of the computer club gets drop-kicked in the side of the head. Can't have that, no. Breaking a GIRL'S spine for a change wouldn't be funny, would it? *Mumble...*

Well... like, half the comedy of that scene was Haruhi flying right out of an off-screen plot-hole at mach two to deliver the kick. Whatever happens there has to be a bolt from the blue too, I think.

What do the masses think?

Bean Bandit
2008-03-05, 02:30
Ohh, I like that. It fits with the image, and the 'Kamina' Gung-ho-ness, too.

As for kicking the Female Computer Club president in the head, I think it'd be just as Funny for something thrown to catch her upside the head, and less brutal seeming on Haruki's part.

But still just shocking and mean enough to be kinda funny. >_>

Random Thought: Itsuko's (Atsuko? Mitsuki? I prefer Mitsuki. It's Closer to the original) Attacks in the Anime were named for other Kyoto Animation series. "Fumoffu" And "Second Raid" If we keep a similar nod to KyoAni, I vote To change their names to 'Kanon' and 'Clannad'.

Edit: Hey, wait. Isn't 'Itsuki' His family name? If so, 'Koizumi' needs to be altered. I vote for 'Kasumi', myself.

Edit mk2: Whoops, apparently, it IS his given name. In that case, ignore me. >_>

Jaden
2008-03-05, 04:09
Computer club is a bit of a problem. Firstly you could search for a thousand years and probably not find an all-female computer club. Especially if they're all as hot as in some of that fanart. :p And how will they be extorted? Pictures of sexual harrassment wouldn't work. I'm thinking Haruki will steal the president's "D drive" and dig up some really nasty material to extort her with. However this will waste an important Mikuru-moment. And already the fact that Haruki is extorting a group of girls is hard to swallow.

And in Day of Sagittarius, it's a bit strange for an all-female computer club to be developing real-time strategy games, or to try getting back at the SOS-dan with such methods. It also kinda feels like Haruki would more likely laugh off their challenge than accept it. Something for you folks to think about, my imagination is at a dead end. :)

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 04:10
Computer club is a bit of a problem. Firstly you could search for a thousand years and probably not find an all-female computer club. Especially if they're all as hot as in some of that fanart. :p And how will they be extorted? Pictures of sexual harrassment wouldn't work. I'm thinking Haruki will steal the president's "D drive" and dig up some really nasty material to extort her with. Actually the fact that he's extorting a group of girls is already hard to swallow.

And in Day of Sagittarius, it's a bit strange for an all-female computer club to be developing real-time strategy games, or to try getting back at the SOS-dan with such methods. It also kinda feels like Haruki would more likely laugh off their challenge than accept it. Something for you folks to think about, my imagination is at a dead end. :)


A funny thing: my school had an all-female computer club that did all those things.

Jaden
2008-03-05, 04:12
I see. Well, that's Korea for you....guess there's no problem then.

dkellis
2008-03-05, 04:41
Well, as far as weapon changes... I don't see any reason to switch from a knife. Granted, bare hands ARE sonething to be scared of, especially when he's already proven that not only can he seal off the room, but Kyon-ko suddenly can't move at all.

On the other hand... At that state of vunerability, if the bastard's holding a knife, you know what's going to happen. You're getting shanked. Bare hands though, makes it a question of how exactly he's going to do it.

But then, knives are efficiant (My spelling sucks people, if that's wrong), and that's why I think either gender of Ryou would stick with it. Slit her throat, and leave. No questions asked, and plenty of time to get away before they are.

Also, no matter what happens, Yuuki has to have a badass level equivilant to Sephiroth's when he comes in to the rescue. Killing Kyon-ko is sin, pure and simple.

...It doesn't help matters that I was still a Yuki fanboy before this happened, I guess...

That will never change.

Hm. Well, that does make a lot of sense.

I suppose I should try it both ways, and see which one works better.


Someone was indeed waiting inside the classroom, but I was surprised about his identity.

"Hello," Asakura Ryou said with a smile. "You're late." He gestured smoothly. "Please, come in."

"Um, sorry about that." I stepped into the classroom hesitantly. What was going on here? Could it be that Asakura-kun was... no, it couldn't be. But what if it was?

"Surprised?" he said mildly.

My heart started to beat faster. "You, er, were looking for me?" I managed.

"I was. I have something to ask you."

Oh gods.

Maybe he was going to drop to a knee or something. Hold my hands while looking deep into my eyes. But no, nobody's going to be that cheesy in real life, and why the heck was I already assuming that he was going to ask me out? If not that, though, then why would he ask to meet me alone in the classroom after school?

Asakura walked slowly around the desks, keeping a respectable distance between us. "Have you heard of the saying that it's better to do it and regret it, than not to do it at all?" he said. "Do you think that makes sense?"

Was he building up to something? That's actually kind of sweet, really. Asakura may be the almighty class representative, but maybe he wasn't as certain of himself when it comes to asking someone out. "I guess it makes a bit of sense," I said cautiously.

"If having things stay in the status quo is bad," Asakura continued, "but you have no idea how to improve matters, then what would you do?"

"Improve what?" This was starting to make less and less sense.

"Shouldn't you do it first and face the consequences later?" Asakura said, ignoring my question. "I mean, nothing is going to change if it keeps continuing like this, right? That's what the status quo means."

"Um, I guess so?"

"Even if those in charge don't recognize the rapidly-changing situations down here, I should take matters into my own hands, shouldn't I? That's the best way to make things run smoothly, after all."

What's going on here? Is this some kind of trick? Maybe Taniguchi is hiding somewhere, laughing at me. That's low, Asakura-san, you shouldn't be taking part in one of Taniguchi's pranks.

"I am tired of the status quo," Asakura said, his smile never leaving his face.

I wasn't really paying attention, since I was looking for Taniguchi's hiding place, which was why I almost didn't catch his next words.

"I'm going to kill you, to see what kind of reaction Suzumiya Haruki would have."

Some unknown instinct yelled at me to duck, and I did so, just as something steely white flashed where my head used to be. A yellow ribbon, neatly cut, floated to the ground as my hair came loose.

Still with that ever-present smile, Asakura was now advancing on me with what looked like a very sharp combat knife in his hand.

I scrambled away from him, trying to reach the door. I had to escape, I had to get out of here! Why is Asakura holding a knife? Did he want to kill me? Wait, he said something like that just now, didn't he?

Why isn't he running towards me? He's just walking slowly in my direction...

"This isn't funny!" I shouted. "Put that knife away! Even if it's fake, I'd be scared of it too!"

"Hm?" Asakura studied his knife with an expression of curiosity. "You think this is a joke?" Even as he said that, he was still smiling. It really sounded as though he didn't know what I was talking about. "You don't want to die? The death of organic entities doesn't mean anything to me."

"I don't know what's going on! Please, just leave me alone!"

"I'm afraid I can't do that." Asakura tightened his grip on the knife. "You see, I really want you dead."

He rushed towards me, and I dodged out of the way just in time. I had to get to the door, to escape from this madness, to-

Where's the door? Why am I faced with a blank wall? Wasn't this supposed to be where the doors to the corridor were? Even the windows were gone!

"There's no use trying to escape," Asakura said, his voice coming from uncomfortably close behind me. "I control this area of space-time now, and so all exits have been removed. There's no way in or out now."

I inched away from him, not knowing why he was still walking so slowly towards me. Well, it's true that I didn't have anywhere to go now, and he had me completely trapped. "Someone, please, help me!"

"Please don't try to resist. It's useless."

"Who are you? What are you?" I tried to fling a chair at him, trying to distract him, but the chair deflected off something just before it hit, and flew off into the distance. Hey, that's unfair! My path was always blocked by desks, but Asakura somehow manipulated a clear path between me and him.

What was it Asakura had said? I'm going to kill you, to see what kind of reaction Suzumiya Haruki would have. Haruki, Haruki, it's always about Haruki! Why's he getting so popular anyway?

"I should have done this from the very beginning."

Suddenly, I couldn't move a muscle. That's cheating! You're not allowed to do that!

"When you die, Suzumiya Haruki is very probably going to have some sort of reaction," Asakura said, from somewhere just outside my field of vision. "This would create a massive explosion of data, from which we can obtain valuable information. This is the chance of a lifetime for us."

I could imagine Asakura's smile growing more cheerful as he prepared to strike.

"Now," he said, "please die."

The world in front of my eyes went white, and I heard a loud cracking sound. Was this what being killed is like? Something struck me on the shoulder, and I cried out in pain. "It hurts! It hurts, dammit!" Huh? I could talk? I could also move as well! I whipped my head around to see a shocked Asakura, knife thrust forward to stab me in the neck.

And almost nonchalantly catching the blade in his bare hands, was the slim figure of Nagato Yuuki.



"I am tired of the status quo," Asakura said, his smile never leaving his face.

I wasn't really paying attention, since I was looking for Taniguchi's hiding place, which was why I almost didn't catch his next words.

"I'm going to see what kind of reaction Suzumiya Haruki would have, if you were ever in danger."

What?

Asakura was suddenly there, in front of me, holding my wrist. His smile did not leave his face, but nevertheless I felt a sudden chill down my spine.

"A-Asakura!" Wasn't this happening too fast? "Please, stop it! This isn't funny!"

Asakura looked surprised, and he let go of my arm. "You think this is a joke?" He really sounded as though he had no idea what I was talking about. "Organic entities mean nothing to me, but your feelings and reactions are often very interesting to observe."

Crazy. Asakura had gone crazy. I backed away from him, as quickly as I could. I had to get out of here. I had to find someone, a teacher, the police, anyone. "Help! Someone help me!"

"Nobody can hear you," Asakura chided me. "I made sure of that."

I reached the classroom doors, and tried to open it-

Where's the door? Why am I faced with a blank wall? Wasn't this supposed to be where the doors to the corridor were? Even the windows were gone!

"There's no use trying to escape," Asakura said, his voice coming from uncomfortably close behind me. "I control this area of space-time now, and so all exits have been removed. There's no way in or out now."

I inched away from him, not knowing why he was still walking so slowly towards me. Well, it's true that I didn't have anywhere to go now, and he had me completely trapped.

"Please don't try to resist. It's useless."

I lashed out with a kick, but Asakura disappeared from right in front of me. What was he? Some sort of alien? "Please, just leave me alone!"

"I'm afraid I can't do that." A hand grabbed my wrist, and Asakura caught my other wrist before I could slap him. "I need to provoke a reaction from Suzumiya Haruki, and you are the most logical target to make that happen."

Haruki, Haruki, it's always about Haruki! Why's he getting so popular anyway?

"I should have done this from the very beginning."

Suddenly all my strength left me, and my muscles grew limp and unresponsive. Hey, that's cheating! You're not allowed to do that!

Asakura easily pushed me up against the wall, pressing his disgusting body against mine. "After Suzumiya Haruki finds out, he will probably have some sort of reaction," he murmured. "I think, though, to be safe, I should probably kill you afterwards. Then Suzumiya Haruki will be sure to cause a massive data explosion, from which we can obtain valuable information. This is the chance of a lifetime for us."

No... I don't want it to end like this. I don't want any of this to happen. Someone, anyone, please, help me!

There was a sudden loud cracking noise, and Asakura's grip loosened, as the world went white. I desperately pushed him away, and ran as fast as I could, but stumbling and falling after only a few steps. I glanced back, trying to see if Asakura was giving chase, but he was standing motionless, a shocked expression on his face.

Behind him, one hand pinning Asakura's hands to his back and the other arm wrapped around his neck in a stranglehold, was the slim figure of Nagato Yuuki.

Jintor
2008-03-05, 04:43
I prefer knife.

dkellis
2008-03-05, 04:51
I prefer knife.

Knife it is, then.

Jintor
2008-03-05, 05:10
Oh, yeah - I agree with the "Kyon-ko should be slightly taller" faction. She's a little too short atm.

Ascaloth
2008-03-05, 05:29
*Ponders*

I have been considering the issue of 'Haruki' being an ill fitting piece of this puzzle. While I applaud the concept of Modeling him on Kamina and The Ouran male lead, I think he might be a little too generic still.

What I'm advocating is...in addition to Kamina and Tamaki...Mix in a dash of Sousuke Sagara as well?

Perhaps not so deadly serious, but an encyclopedic knowledge of Anime and Fiction devoted to his favorite subjects leaves him short on common sense? (The Cosplay Rape Scene with Mitsuuru makes me want to see Haruki tell Kyon-ko that crossdressers are a very important factor with groups of this kind)

As for the Why...Haruki, as he's shaping up right now, doesn't seem as likable as Haruhi. Her aggressiveness translates badly into a male character. (I think this has been said before) If we add something of an endearing blind spot to explain it (Like obviously having watched far too many anime: Something Haruhi {Female} Could also be said to have done, given her impromtu lecture on moe, in the anime, Kyon-ko might be less aggressively inclined. As in "He's not a Jerk, he's just an idiot.")

Side note: Kyon-ko muttering 'Baka' Ala Ruri Hoshino from Nadesico is too cute. @_@

Also, I would like to voice a vote against any influence from Shana in Kyon-ko's evolution. Her Charm comes from Worldweary Sarcasm and aplomb with which she tackles life. There are already far too many Tsunderes that yell and hit things, IMO.

That sounds a lot more like Genshiken than anything else. Hmmm....a Haruki whose weirdness stems in part from a view of the world warped by his otaku-ness?

.....Sounds good. :D

A dash of Sagara?

Hm... you've just given me a mental image of intense military attitude and strategy when Day of Sagitarious comes around.

Now I'm thinking of him 'drooping' when he finds out that Yuuki is the one kicking ass.

...Now I'm thinking of the computer club turning into insane fangirls at the sight of their god, Yuuki. Then getting rabid when they realize he'll be spending time with them. Man that's hilarious. Join the Yuuki harem today!

But wait, at the start of all that, the head of the computer club gets drop-kicked in the side of the head. Can't have that, no. Breaking a GIRL'S spine for a change wouldn't be funny, would it? *Mumble...*

Well... like, half the comedy of that scene was Haruhi flying right out of an off-screen plot-hole at mach two to deliver the kick. Whatever happens there has to be a bolt from the blue too, I think.

What do the masses think?

Since everyone seems to be worried about the implications of a guy Haruki being so violent to a girl, why not have him grab and judo-manhandle the female Computer Club President in a manner that could be construed as highly sexual? It would fit with his skirt-chaser manner, too. ;)

Computer club is a bit of a problem. Firstly you could search for a thousand years and probably not find an all-female computer club. Especially if they're all as hot as in some of that fanart. :p And how will they be extorted? Pictures of sexual harrassment wouldn't work. I'm thinking Haruki will steal the president's "D drive" and dig up some really nasty material to extort her with. However this will waste an important Mikuru-moment. And already the fact that Haruki is extorting a group of girls is hard to swallow.

And in Day of Sagittarius, it's a bit strange for an all-female computer club to be developing real-time strategy games, or to try getting back at the SOS-dan with such methods. It also kinda feels like Haruki would more likely laugh off their challenge than accept it. Something for you folks to think about, my imagination is at a dead end. :)

Maybe turn them into the "Fujoshi" Club? One that has reason to make use of computers to churn out the doujin material they're preparing for Comiket. Maybe they even specialize in producing some kind of doujin software game centering around yaoi.....

....I'm starting to fear what the Day of Sagittarius sequence will turn into. :uhoh:

dkellis
2008-03-05, 05:34
Oh, yeah - I agree with the "Kyon-ko should be slightly taller" faction. She's a little too short atm.

Oh, I don't know. I read someone commenting on Kyonko as "aww, tiny little cute sarcastic person", and it stuck with me. If I may be selfish, I'd say that Kyonko being short is part of the charm for me.

-

Random thoughts:

I had this long list of ways for characters to refer to each other, but I seem to have lost it. So, from what I can remember:

Haruhi to Kyon: "Kyon"
Haruki to Kyonko: "Kyonko" (or "Kyon" or whatever her nickname ends up being)

Kyon to Haruhi: "Suzumiya-san" originally, "Haruhi" after some time
Kyonko to Haruki: The same, I think.

Haruhi to Mikuru: "Mikuru-chan"
Haruki to Mitsuru/Minoru/whatever: I don't know. "Minoru"? "Minoru-kun"? "Asahina"? "Asahina-kun"?

Haruhi to Koizumi: "Koizumi"
Haruki to Koizumi: "Koizumi-san", perhaps. Just "Koizumi" sounds a bit strange.

Haruhi to Yuki: "Yuki"
Haruki to Yuuki: "Yuuki" or "Yuuki-kun"? Or "Nagato-kun"?

Kyon to Yuki: "Nagato-san"
Kyonko to Yuuki: The same, probably.

Kyon to Mikuru: "Asahina-san"
Kyonko to Minoru: Probably the same, or "Asahina-sempai".

Kyon to Koizumi: "Koizumi"
Kyonko to Koizumi: Good question. Will address in a bit.

As far as I can tell, Koizumi, Nagato, and Asahina address everyone around them as "surname-san", except for Kyon. Asahina calls Kyon "Kyon-kun", and I don't remember Koizumi and Nagato ever addressing Kyon by (nick)name at all. If they did, it's probably "Kyon", but I need to check that.

Gender flip that, and it's likely to stay the same, except for Kyonko and Koizumi. From what I can tell, usually when female students address their female friends, it's on a first-name basis, with "-chan" occasionally, or maybe a cutesy nickname. When they're being polite to each other (whether because they don't know each other that well, or it's just their nature), it becomes "surname-san" again. So Tsuruya calls Mikuru "Mikuru-chan", and Mikuru calls Tsuruya "Tsuruya-san".

So, would Female Koizumi call Kyonko "Kyon", or "Kyon-chan"? Would Kyonko call Female Koizumi "Koizumi-san", or by her first name? Or maybe even just "Koizumi", like in the canon?

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 05:41
I agree. I do not think Kyon is all that short at all. Too short and the fellow cannot be said as average anymore.

And here's a doctored picture I did just now.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f237/kannabinomikoto/haruhi/kyon-haruhi.jpg

(I think I am hopelessly finding Kyon moe now)

dkellis
2008-03-05, 06:06
I agree. I do not think Kyon is all that short at all. Too short and the fellow cannot be said as average anymore.

That's only if you're going into heights which are obviously unusual for Kyonko's age. From the pictures I've seen, Kyonko isn't that short; she's just not very tall. She'd probably be around canon Yuki's height, which isn't unusually short.

Canon Kyon is said to be "average" in that he does not have any spectacularly special powers, which is what I assumed the term "average" as applied to Kyon meant, rather than average in everything, including body proportions. After all, his breadth of trivia knowledge, his sense of humour, and his patience with Haruhi's antics might be argued to be not that average.

Kyonko can still be described as "average" at her current portrayed height, even if it's "averagely short".

I admit that I'm just arguing this stance because I like Kyonko being short for a vaguely obscure aesthetic reason, and I'm also perfectly happy to agree to disagree.

DannyCat
2008-03-05, 06:29
Kyon being short is fine because we don't want her to be just regular Kyon's frame with breasts and ponytail (as some simple photoshops tend to do). She's gotta be feminine in build, and her smaller size contributes very strongly to that. Not saying make her tiny, but...moe-sized.

FatPianoBoy
2008-03-05, 07:57
This discussion is really starting to tickle my sociology fetish. It's clearly much more than crazed fans run amok at this point.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 08:24
Well... there are some scenes that might seem a little too overboard due to the gender-swap, like Haruhi dragging Kyon by the collar through a hallway, or Yuki round-kneeing Kyon inside Asakura's world.

And then there is the issue of the bunny-suits... keep them (for maximum mind-breaking hilarity), or find a masculine equivalent?

Neo-Haruhi: "I'm secure enough in my masculinity to wear these bunny-suits!"
Neo-Kyon: *clawing eyes out*

Also... there is one scene in Vol.02 that will lose a lot of its impact due to the gender switch, as the idea of a girl psychically hitting a boy is not as dramatic as a boy beating on a girl.

Cheers.

Haruhi dragging Kyon through the hallways by the collar could still be used, I don't see that much of a problem with it. Perhaps for more comedic factor it could have standing and struggling.

Which reminds me, there is also the scene in which Haruhi grabs Kyon's tie when she reqruits him. I figured a comedic shift would be Haruki grabbing Kyonko's shoulders while staring into her eyes, while Kyonko blushingly wonders what the hell he is talking about.

Bunny suits... Haruhi's goal was to atract members, I think Haruki would be smart enough to realize that this would have the oposite effect. I'd say find a masculine equivelant. Perhaps sexy surf outfits?

As for that scene in volume 2, yes that does lose a lot of its impact. I'll have to think about that one a bit more.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 08:30
Circumstances would be a bit different. I suppose something level headed yet rather extreme is calling the cops for bullying and harassment and only having Koizumi snap the phone cord as it rings through.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 08:43
That's only if Kyonko actually calls the police, though. In which case kyon would have done so a lot of times, as Haruhi is prone to sexual harasment.

Kristen
2008-03-05, 08:54
Haruhi dragging Kyon through the hallways by the collar could still be used, I don't see that much of a problem with it. Perhaps for more comedic factor it could have standing and struggling.

Which reminds me, there is also the scene in which Haruhi grabs Kyon's tie when she reqruits him. I figured a comedic shift would be Haruki grabbing Kyonko's shoulders while staring into her eyes, while Kyonko blushingly wonders what the hell he is talking about.

Bunny suits... Haruhi's goal was to atract members, I think Haruki would be smart enough to realize that this would have the oposite effect. I'd say find a masculine equivelant. Perhaps sexy surf outfits?

As for that scene in volume 2, yes that does lose a lot of its impact. I'll have to think about that one a bit more.

Well, Haruhi is harrament-prone, so instead of the tie, Haruki would probably grab Kyon-ko by that bow that connects the black coat together, even though that is a girl's breasts.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 09:10
Concidering the scene is meant to be comedic, it would be kind of counter productive. DJ's idea of Haruki carying Kyonko of bridal style sounds the best, now that I think of it. It would work great in combination with the 'hands on her shoulders, looking deeply into her eyes' scene that follows.

shaoron
2008-03-05, 09:22
HOLD IT!!!




i thought we agreed that ryou-kun would have a katana instead!?

dkellis
2008-03-05, 10:00
i thought we agreed that ryou-kun would have a katana instead!?

Why?

I mean, I don't have any objections per se to that idea, but why a katana in specific? What's wrong with the combat knife?

I'm asking not because I disagree, but mostly because it seems kind of non-sequitur.

Wild Goose
2008-03-05, 10:06
HOLD IT!!!




i thought we agreed that ryou-kun would have a katana instead!?

*stealths in*

Nah, a knife's more practical and efficient for close quaters combat, especially in a room full of desks and the likes.

Hell, US Navy SEALs, badasses among badasses, are encouraged to use smaller blades; in the words of a SEAL Chief Petty Officer instructor at SEAL Qualification Training: "All you need is a good three inch folding knife. A Machete or large blade looks cool but is not as practical." (Quoted from Earning The Trident (Couch, 2003) by retired SEAL & former CIA case officer D. Couch.)

...besides, there's something inherently badass about a K-BAR (Ryou should be using a K-BAR, IMO, not a tanto. Tanto are more "decorative" items. K-BARs kill people. Then again, it was made to kill Japanese....)

*stealths out*

shaoron
2008-03-05, 10:07
umm....
the... umm....
combat knife isn't manly enough for male asakura....? :D

if the katana is too long then we could use the shorter ones...
kodachi...?

Wild Goose
2008-03-05, 10:16
umm....
the... umm....
combat knife isn't manly enough for male asakura....? :D

if the katana is too long then we could use the shorter ones...
kodachi...?

The United States Marine Corps would like to have a word with you, as would the Navy SEALs, Delta Force, Special Air Service, Special Boat Service, Force Recon, GSG-9 and many, many other organisations.

Especially the Marines. You do not diss either the Holy Pistol made by St. John Moses Browning in front of a Marine, or his K-BAR.

Besides, remember that Male Asakura is a Data Collection Entity. He's not gonna chose a weapon based on manliness, he's going to chose it based on efficiency and suitability to combat. It has been conclusively proven that in an environ such as a classroom, you are better off with a knife.

Kodachi - debatable. Frankly, is it really important to change the knife just for the sake of supposed manliness?

During the Battle of Guadalcanal, Marine Corps Sergeant Mitchell Paige defended an entire hill from the Japanese with just two weapons: his K-BAR, and a Browning .30cal MG. The Japanese who were attacking uphill had more firepower than him and the supposedly more manly katana. http://instapinch.com/?p=739

Incidentally, most katana in WW2 were used to execute defenceless, unarmed prisoners, or for sepukku. The Marines used their K-BARs to kill the enemy.

Still think katana are more badass?

Summation: Katana = debatable manliness. K-BAR = undisputed badass.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 10:26
To add to Goose, concidering well known 'girls with katana' craze in anime, I highly doupt Katana classify as 'manly'

Combat knives definetely classify as manly.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 10:27
(I'd like to see 'Kyon' chuck a manly crowbar at Asakura during that famous showdown...)
Edit: As a cold shower, dkellis made the right point. Whether if Kyon is capable of chucking a chair should not lead to wayward thinking of any sort that would be in conflict with the actual scenarios.

//back to photoshop

dkellis
2008-03-05, 10:34
Ryou Asakura is attempting to kill Kyonko with a weapon. Personally I don't see why he needs a weapon in the first place, considering his ability to alter reality locally, but the canon has a knife, and apparently the knife is popular enough in fandom to be left into the genderswap.

With this attempted murder, I'm not really seeing a need to switch weapons around such that he's more "manly", or whether the weapon has any bearing on his "manliness". It's attempted murder. "Manliness" should not be a factor in the discussion.

Tangowr
2008-03-05, 11:12
Kyon-ko singing...XD
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2522013

Fanservice Kyon-ko
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2735/1204732747837mv4.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204732747837mv4.jpg)

Sos-dan
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/47/1204731846168az8.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204731846168az8.jpg)

Kyon-ko
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5827/1204710209089vw3.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204710209089vw3.jpg)http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4879/1204730326444yp2.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204730326444yp2.jpg)
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9355/1204710668160ad3.th.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204710668160ad3.jpg)http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5536/1204730536842bj2.th.png (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204730536842bj2.png)

Asakura
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7610/1204725030502vc9.th.png (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204725030502vc9.png)

Haruki's hair style change
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9875/1204725858003pj2.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204725858003pj2.jpg)

Nagato
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7946/1204718146328fu5.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204718146328fu5.jpg)http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4629/1204730828055kb9.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204730828055kb9.png)

Haruki
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8956/1204718099794ia1.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204718099794ia1.jpg)

Wild Goose
2008-03-05, 11:16
Ryou Asakura is attempting to kill Kyonko with a weapon. Personally I don't see why he needs a weapon in the first place, considering his ability to alter reality locally, but the canon has a knife, and apparently the knife is popular enough in fandom to be left into the genderswap.

With this attempted murder, I'm not really seeing a need to switch weapons around such that he's more "manly", or whether the weapon has any bearing on his "manliness". It's attempted murder. "Manliness" should not be a factor in the discussion.

An admitted sidetrack common to fans who Just Don't Get It (can't find the link to TV tropes.)

I was attempting tongue-in-cheek satire. Doesn't really seem to have worked.

To repeat, As a practical and cultural reason, I would go with the knife. Not only is it easier to use in close quaters, Japan has some sort of liking for knives, and frankly, is there any reason to change it from a knife to a supposedly more manly weapon?

Kinny Riddle
2008-03-05, 11:24
Haruhi dragging Kyon through the hallways by the collar could still be used, I don't see that much of a problem with it. Perhaps for more comedic factor it could have standing and struggling.

That'd be too rough on Kyonko. Just grabbing her wrist and pulling her along so much it hurts would do. And then add in your addition below:


Which reminds me, there is also the scene in which Haruhi grabs Kyon's tie when she reqruits him. I figured a comedic shift would be Haruki grabbing Kyonko's shoulders while staring into her eyes, while Kyonko blushingly wonders what the hell he is talking about.


Bunny suits... Haruhi's goal was to atract members, I think Haruki would be smart enough to realize that this would have the oposite effect. I'd say find a masculine equivelant. Perhaps sexy surf outfits?

Like I said, Hard Gay constumes. Even the original Haruhi anime series featured a guy cosplaying as Hard Gay. Remember, the bunny girl concept was popularized by Playboy. Hard Gay is quite entrenched in Japanese popular culture now that I don't really see any problem in terms of direct references, IMHO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunny_girl
The Bunny suit is also very popular in Japan, where it has lost much of its association with Playboy. In fact, it has become associated with sexiness in general, where they are referred to as bunny girls (or bunnygirls) and have an association with the female human/animal hybrids common in anime and manga known as kemonomimi. Bunnies should not be confused with Playboy Playmates, women who appear in the centerfold pictorials of Playboy magazine, although a few bunnies went on to become Playmates (see below).


As for that scene in volume 2, yes that does lose a lot of its impact. I'll have to think about that one a bit more.

Original Kyon nearly went medieval and smacked Haruhi, but Koizumi came to the rescue.

Please forgive if I even sound slightly sexist (I'm definitely not), though it seems to be more acceptable for a girl to slap a guy in the face then the opposite. So do have Kyonko slap Haruki, and then Itsuki-chan coming up to grab her hand to stop her from slapping Haruki even further, while Haruki looks stunned at this outburst.

dkellis
2008-03-05, 11:25
An admitted sidetrack common to fans who Just Don't Get It (can't find the link to TV tropes.)

Amusingly, I'm actually browsing (and editing) TVTropes right now. (For those who have no idea what we're talking about, TVTropes Wiki (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage).)

I'm finding it a bit depressing that both my questions in this thread have gone completely ignored.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 11:43
Kyon-ko should be short and DFC and Shana-ish. Adds to her charm.

I don't know what everyone's problem with Haruki is.

Ryou should keep the knife.

Oh, I don't know. I read someone commenting on Kyonko as "aww, tiny little cute sarcastic person", and it stuck with me. If I may be selfish, I'd say that Kyonko being short is part of the charm for me.

-

Random thoughts:

I had this long list of ways for characters to refer to each other, but I seem to have lost it. So, from what I can remember:

Haruhi to Kyon: "Kyon"
Haruki to Kyonko: "Kyonko" (or "Kyon" or whatever her nickname ends up being)

Kyon to Haruhi: "Suzumiya-san" originally, "Haruhi" after some time
Kyonko to Haruki: The same, I think.

Haruhi to Mikuru: "Mikuru-chan"
Haruki to Mitsuru/Minoru/whatever: I don't know. "Minoru"? "Minoru-kun"? "Asahina"? "Asahina-kun"?

Haruhi to Koizumi: "Koizumi"
Haruki to Koizumi: "Koizumi-san", perhaps. Just "Koizumi" sounds a bit strange.

Haruhi to Yuki: "Yuki"
Haruki to Yuuki: "Yuuki" or "Yuuki-kun"? Or "Nagato-kun"?

Kyon to Yuki: "Nagato-san"
Kyonko to Yuuki: The same, probably.

Kyon to Mikuru: "Asahina-san"
Kyonko to Minoru: Probably the same, or "Asahina-sempai".

Kyon to Koizumi: "Koizumi"
Kyonko to Koizumi: Good question. Will address in a bit.

As far as I can tell, Koizumi, Nagato, and Asahina address everyone around them as "surname-san", except for Kyon. Asahina calls Kyon "Kyon-kun", and I don't remember Koizumi and Nagato ever addressing Kyon by (nick)name at all. If they did, it's probably "Kyon", but I need to check that.

Gender flip that, and it's likely to stay the same, except for Kyonko and Koizumi. From what I can tell, usually when female students address their female friends, it's on a first-name basis, with "-chan" occasionally, or maybe a cutesy nickname. When they're being polite to each other (whether because they don't know each other that well, or it's just their nature), it becomes "surname-san" again. So Tsuruya calls Mikuru "Mikuru-chan", and Mikuru calls Tsuruya "Tsuruya-san".

So, would Female Koizumi call Kyonko "Kyon", or "Kyon-chan"? Would Kyonko call Female Koizumi "Koizumi-san", or by her first name? Or maybe even just "Koizumi", like in the canon?

Haruhi calls Koizumi "Koizumi-kun" in the original. Kyon usually calls Yuki as "Nagato" and "Nagato-san" when feeling extra respecful.

Kyon-ko will probably call Koizumi "Koizumi".

In any case, we need to agree on names here...

This discussion is really starting to tickle my sociology fetish. It's clearly much more than crazed fans run amok at this point.

You too?


Guys, I plan to write Chapter 1 today, so you'll see my ideas then.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 12:02
Kyon-ko should be short and DFC and Shana-ish. Adds to her charm.

I don't know what everyone's problem with Haruki is.

Ryou should keep the knife.

DFC? But Shana-ish... how much Shana-ish? I don't really see Kyonko as the 'urusai' type. Like Kyon, she's more the logical thinker type.

Haruhi calls Koizumi "Koizumi-kun" in the original. Kyon usually calls Yuki as "Nagato" and "Nagato-san" when feeling extra respecful.

Kyon-ko will probably call Koizumi "Koizumi".

In any case, we need to agree on names here...

I think we're mostly agreed on Haruki and Kyonko.

Yuki becoming Yuuki strikes my fancy as well. Nagato could become Nagato-kun.

Itsuki is can be used as a female first name, so I don't really see a need to change this (chan can be added when we need to differ the two)

Mikuru... I like Mitsuru myself.

Poulp
2008-03-05, 12:07
Greetings

as the saying goes, I'm a long time lurker first poster.

I registered for the sole purpose of thanking you guys who participate in this mind-blowing brain-storming thread.
I thank you because I can feel my inspiration is coming back. I'm planning to write some fanfiction loosely based upon what I read so far. (although considering my writing speed, don't except to read it so soon...)


Now, my view on the knife/katana for Asakura.

I'd go for the knife too. For various reasons:

1/ it fits into a schoolbag (does humanoid interfaces ever get that kind of problem ?)
2/ katanas conveys the image of swordfights, with two opponents clashing. The knife conveys a more plain, brutal image; a murder on a defenseless victim. Male or female, Kyon is the innocent, defenseless victim in this scene.
To sum it up, katanas are more "graphic", knife are more frightening
3/ as a writer, I could introduce some thougths like
"Does he intend to slash my clothes and rape me ?" or,
"What's with that knife ? Will he try to scar my face ? Hold on, he said "kill you" didn't he ?"
See #2, in this scene, before Nagato appears, there's no action, the stress is put on fear rather than actual, physical violence.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 12:09
On the Haruki dragging Kyonko everywhere thing, I once suggested that Haruki just pick Kyonko up and carry her off. Haruki's strong enough to lift Kyonko's small body, and this could be funny in more ways than one.

Edit: I am quite smitten after this one:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4803/1204709205650mh3.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204709205650mh3.jpg)

tshouryuu
2008-03-05, 12:23
I finished my first draft of the prologue, but I think I made Kyon-ko a bit too feminine with all the shojou references...

Tell me what you guys think.


Sometimes people ask me when I stopped believing in Santa Claus. Really, this kind of silly question, to me, doesn’t hold any real significance. However, if you were to ask me when I stopped believing that the old man wearing the red costume was Santa, then I can confidently say that I have never believed in Santa, ever. I knew that the Santa who appeared at my preschool Christmas party was a fraud. When I sat in his lap, I didn’t feel the eyes of a kindly old man looking down at me. In fact, it felt slightly disturbing to be sitting in the lap of some random old guy and espousing your deepest wishes. I was already wise enough to be suspicious about the existence of an old man who worked only on Christmas Eve.

However, it took me quite a bit longer to realize that the aliens, time-travelers, sailor girls, demons and espers in those effects-filled 'good guys versus evil organization' cartoons didn't actually exist either. No, wait, I probably did realize, I just didn't want to admit it. Deep inside my heart I still wanted those aliens, time-travelers, sailor girls, demons, espers and evil organizations to suddenly appear. Comparing those worlds to this boring, normal life of mine, those flashy worlds win every time; I wanted to live in that world too! I wanted my life to be filled with excitement!

I wanted to be the one who was kidnapped by aliens and imprisoned in a bowl-like fortress. I wanted to be the one saved by the handsome prince and taken off to live in castles happily ever after. Or, changing genres, I wanted to be someone who could banish demons and monsters with a single spell, engage in telepathic fights and save my one true love from danger!

But wait, calm down. I don't even have any special powers! None of the guys I knew in my classes did either!
Well then, how about this: one day, a mysterious new student transfers to my class. Except he's really an alien or from the future, and he has telepathic abilities. Then I’ll make friends with him, and his enemies, sensing a weak point, will come and kidnap me for ransom. Then he’ll come and rescue me and I can just sit back and wait. Oh my god, this is great, I am so clever!

Or maybe, if that doesn't work, how about this: one day, a mysterious power inside me awakens, something like a telekinetic or psychic ability. I discover that a lot of other people in this world also have similar powers, and then some sort of paranormal society recruits me. I'll become part of this organization, receive a talking animal companion and protect the world against evil demons!

Unfortunately, reality is surprisingly cruel... No magical prince came to sweep me off my feet. I've never seen a UFO. My dog never talked, even when I fed him alphabet soup. Two hours of intense staring didn't make my pencil move a single millimeter, and glaring at my classmate's head didn't reveal her thoughts to me either. I couldn't help but get depressed at how normal everything was. I began to stop watching for UFOs and paying attention to magical girl cartoons because I finally convinced myself it was impossible. I even reached a point where I only had a sense of nostalgia for those things.

After junior high, I completely grew out of that fantasy world and became utterly grounded in reality. Nothing happened in 1999, even though I kept hoping, just a bit, that something would; humankind hadn't returned to the moon or gone beyond it. I suppose, from the way things are looking, that I'll be long dead before you can book a round trip from Earth to Alpha Centauri.

With those sorts of ordinary, common thoughts in my mind, I became a normal, carefree senior high schoolgirl. That is, until…

Until the day I met Suzumiya Haruki.



Also, RmX, that scene that he's referring to in Vol 2. is the one where Kyon tries to hit Haruhi... somehow we're going to have to change that.
Hmm... Interesting but this version of Kyouko (or is it Kyonko?) doesn't sound snarky enough. The parts about getting kidnapped sounds rather too girlish(?) and doesn't quite convey the deadpanned tone of Kyon like the original if you get what I mean.
*Ponders*

I have been considering the issue of 'Haruki' being an ill fitting piece of this puzzle. While I applaud the concept of Modeling him on Kamina and The Ouran male lead, I think he might be a little too generic still.

What I'm advocating is...in addition to Kamina and Tamaki...Mix in a dash of Sousuke Sagara as well?

Perhaps not so deadly serious, but an encyclopedic knowledge of Anime and Fiction devoted to his favorite subjects leaves him short on common sense? (The Cosplay Rape Scene with Mitsuuru makes me want to see Haruki tell Kyon-ko that crossdressers are a very important factor with groups of this kind)

As for the Why...Haruki, as he's shaping up right now, doesn't seem as likable as Haruhi. Her aggressiveness translates badly into a male character. (I think this has been said before) If we add something of an endearing blind spot to explain it (Like obviously having watched far too many anime: Something Haruhi {Female} Could also be said to have done, given her impromtu lecture on moe, in the anime, Kyon-ko might be less aggressively inclined. As in "He's not a Jerk, he's just an idiot.")

Side note: Kyon-ko muttering 'Baka' Ala Ruri Hoshino from Nadesico is too cute. @_@

Also, I would like to voice a vote against any influence from Shana in Kyon-ko's evolution. Her Charm comes from Worldweary Sarcasm and aplomb with which she tackles life. There are already far too many Tsunderes that yell and hit things, IMO.
Actually my suggestion for making Haruki is to not mix in Sousuke Sagara but Izumi Konata instead. The result is that you'll more or less get a GAR version of an otaku which might be an interesting character.

Btw instead of trying to think of the male equivalent of a bunny suit why not just put Minoru in the bunny suit (creating a trap for real) and have Kyonko join him after getting guilt tripped by Haruki.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 12:29
On the Haruki dragging Kyonko everywhere thing, I once suggested that Haruki just pick Kyonko up and carry her off. Haruki's strong enough to lift Kyonko's small body, and this could be funny in more ways than one.

Agreed. Imagine Haruki lifting Kyonko into his arms, carry her off and putting her down, after which he puts his hands onto her shoulders and stares deeply into her eyes while saying "assist me."

I can think up a legion of ways for Kyonko to completely misunderstand the situations. :D

Edit: I'm am quite smitten after this one:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4803/1204709205650mh3.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204709205650mh3.jpg)

You too? I dare say its the most charming image of Kyonko in my folder so far.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 12:41
Agreed. Imagine Haruki lifting Kyonko into his arms, carry her off and putting her down, after which he puts his hands onto her shoulders and stares deeply into her eyes while saying "assist me."

I can think up a legion of ways for Kyonko to completely misunderstand the situations. :D

Kyonko cannot deny those shoujo fantasies that she currently loves to hate.

You too? I dare say its the most charming image of Kyonko in my folder so far.

Nyaa~ (This thread is turning me into strange things....)

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 12:50
(I am going to go back to work on it..)

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 12:51
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f237/kannabinomikoto/haruhi/kyonnagato.jpg

mmm... still too much like real Kyon's face. I can't fantasize yet. :p

Keroko
2008-03-05, 12:51
Kyonko cannot deny those shoujo fantasies that she currently loves to hate.

Exactly.

Nyaa~ (This thread is turning me into strange things....)

You're imagining things. Everything is fine.

Another subject I would like to adress is Haruki's reason for capturing Mitsuru. I believe it was discussed before that he'd do so to make him more GAR. I disagree with this decision. Haruhi originally captured Mikuru to serve as a 'cute mascot' Mitsuru can still fill this role, only this time to atract the female part (he has Kyonko suplying the atraction for the male part) girls are inherently atracted to cute things, and Mitsuru is nothing if not cute.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 12:52
Hmm... Interesting but this version of Kyouko (or is it Kyonko?) doesn't sound snarky enough. The parts about getting kidnapped sounds rather too girlish(?) and doesn't quite convey the deadpanned tone of Kyon like the original if you get what I mean.

Have you read the original novels? Most of the deadpan-ness and sarcastic tone was because of Tomokazu Sugita's voice, if you ask me.

Being female automatically makes her a bit more feminine, ya know. I plan to have her mention that she's mostly grown out of those fantasies, though.


As for the whole Shana-ish thing, I meant physically.

Raijinken
2008-03-05, 12:54
I find it humorous (and a little sad) that it seems the near majority of images of Kyon-ko are some form of fanservice.

Not that I'm complaining, however. Mmmmm... yuri...

And as for Kyon-ko sounding snarky, keep in mind nobody's talking to her, or saying very VERY stupid or half-baked things to her that are either doomed to fail, or will end in horrid embarassment for Mitsuru. (I like that name too.) Normally people don't sound like it's troublesome when they're offering their opinion.

Besides, in the origional series, Kyon isn't always like that either. He's proven he can be pleasent at times. Normally those times are when Haruhi gets a face full of grass, but whatever.

No wories. If I know Kaisos (and I do.), he will personally see to it that Kyon-ko is more sarcastic then a room full of cheerleaders. Said cheerleaders were just asked out by a D&D nerd (Nothing against the game). That makes for a potental sarcasm H-bomb.

Oh, also, Kyon had a fetish for ponytails. Sly bastard. What does Kyon-ko like?

...Yes, I just realized that question might take days to answer...

EDIT: Just saw the Kyon-koxYuki picture which was posted AS I DID THIS. As a fanboy, I now have a fetish for THAT. *Cuteness induced seizure*

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 12:56
Another subject I would like to adress is Haruki's reason for capturing Mitsuru. I believe it was discussed before that he'd do so to make him more GAR. I disagree with this decision. Haruhi originally captured Mikuru to serve as a 'cute mascot' Mitsuru can still fill this role, only this time to atract the female part (he has Kyonko suplying the atraction for the male part) girls are inherently atracted to cute things, and Mitsuru is nothing if not cute.

Well we're gonna have Haruki fail miserably at trying to make Mitsuru more manly. Except maybe in the suave host club department. The main draw for Mitsuru is still the shota-trap element, and Haruki's attempts to try and infuse the element of GAR will backfire, leading into more fangirl squee.

That sort of thing.

dkellis
2008-03-05, 13:05
I think we're mostly agreed on Haruki and Kyonko.

Yuki becoming Yuuki strikes my fancy as well. Nagato could become Nagato-kun.

Itsuki is can be used as a female first name, so I don't really see a need to change this (chan can be added when we need to differ the two)

Mikuru... I like Mitsuru myself.

So far I've seen no objections to "Haruki Suzumiya", "Yuuki Nagato", and "Ryou Asakura".

"Kyonko" is an odd case, since it seems to be too obviously derived from "Kyon" for it to have come about "naturally", but it seems to be the popular choice. (If it were up to me, I'd change it to "Kyou", but that may sound too "normal".)

For Mikuru, I'm obviously partial to "Minoru", but "Mitsuru" seems to be more popular. I'm willing to change over, but I'll need confirmation on that.

I'd really, really prefer it if there's a change in Itsuki's name for the genderswap, since it's hard enough keeping the pronouns consistent when writing the fanfic. It helps me from getting confused while writing about Female Itsuki and inadvertantly picturing Male Itsuki.

I really like "Mitsuki", but "Itsuko" could work. Again, I'd need confirmation.

I have more random thoughts to mention, but it's two in the morning here and I need to try to get to sleep. Maybe if I fail to do so, I'll hammer something out.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 13:10
By the way, Kyon would be me. My aunt was the one who first called me that. A few years ago, my long-time-no-see aunt suddenly said to me "My goodness, Kyon has grown so big!" My sister thought it was funny and also started to call me Kyon. After that the rest is history— my friends, upon hearing my sister calling me Kyon, decided to follow her lead. From that day on, my nickname became Kyon. Damn it, my sister used to call me "Onii-chan"!

This is the original. The thought of Kyonko once being called Onee-chan... mmm...

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 13:10
Kyou not only sounds way too normal, it's also either another way to say Kagami or it is simply going to make people think of Kyou Fujibayashi.


EDIT 1: There. augh.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7553/kyonnagatoup3.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyonnagatoup3.jpg)

Evangelion Xgouki
2008-03-05, 13:14
Oh man...Outer Cadia is invading....:uhoh:

Computer club is a bit of a problem. Firstly you could search for a thousand years and probably not find an all-female computer club. Especially if they're all as hot as in some of that fanart. :p And how will they be extorted? Pictures of sexual harrassment wouldn't work. I'm thinking Haruki will steal the president's "D drive" and dig up some really nasty material to extort her with. However this will waste an important Mikuru-moment. And already the fact that Haruki is extorting a group of girls is hard to swallow.

And in Day of Sagittarius, it's a bit strange for an all-female computer club to be developing real-time strategy games, or to try getting back at the SOS-dan with such methods. It also kinda feels like Haruki would more likely laugh off their challenge than accept it. Something for you folks to think about, my imagination is at a dead end. :)

Hmmm...one solution I can think of is the Computer Club members either have a love for yaoi and/or cross-dressing bishies (like Princess princess) and Haruki exploits this by tossing Mitsuru at the president in a dress or osmething and then threatens to expose the pictures he just took as them forcing Mitsuru do dress like that. Or something along those lines :p

Keroko
2008-03-05, 13:17
So far I've seen no objections to "Haruki Suzumiya", "Yuuki Nagato", and "Ryou Asakura".

"Kyonko" is an odd case, since it seems to be too obviously derived from "Kyon" for it to have come about "naturally", but it seems to be the popular choice. (If it were up to me, I'd change it to "Kyou", but that may sound too "normal".)

For Mikuru, I'm obviously partial to "Minoru", but "Mitsuru" seems to be more popular. I'm willing to change over, but I'll need confirmation on that.

I'd really, really prefer it if there's a change in Itsuki's name for the genderswap, since it's hard enough keeping the pronouns consistent when writing the fanfic. It helps me from getting confused while writing about Female Itsuki and inadvertantly picturing Male Itsuki.

I really like "Mitsuki", but "Itsuko" could work. Again, I'd need confirmation.

I have more random thoughts to mention, but it's two in the morning here and I need to try to get to sleep. Maybe if I fail to do so, I'll hammer something out.

Ryou sounds fine to me.

Kyonko, I believe, started out as a popular method of calling genderbend guys (Like Archerko, which came up in the Nanoha OC-thread not so long ago) I personally like the obvious name referal.

For that reason, I also prefer 'Mitsuru' as it is closer to Mikuru then Minoru

Mitsuki instead of Itsuki is a good one, I support Mitsuki.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 13:19
Kyou not only sounds way too normal, it's also either another way to say Kagami or it is simply going to make people think of Kyou Fujibayashi.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7888/kyonnagatoov4.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyonnagatoov4.jpg)
Is this any better now? This one is noticeably harder to doctor due to working with awkward view angle.

I see what you did with the hair a little bit, but that's not quite it. I think the eyes need to be softer and rounder. Let's experiment with that a bit.

(edit: :sad: )

Oi Oi! Come on panzer! Don't give up on me now! Yours is vector art that will pierce the heavens!

Edit again: What'd I tell ya? Now all we need is red blush marks :D

Oh yeah, please just refer to me as RmX.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 13:26
Soooo, Mitsuki, Itsuko, or Atsuko?

I think we're mostly agreed on the others.

Also, I still think Kyon should still be "Kyon". It's feminine enough already.

Obviously, we're going to call her "Kyon-ko" out of context, but...

Shinn87
2008-03-05, 13:29
+1 for Itsuko >_>

:D

Raijinken
2008-03-05, 13:33
For names, how about 'Kyo-loli'?

Alright, bad joke, but for Itsuki, I kinda like the name 'Satsuki'. Sounds just origional enough I think.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 13:35
Kyololi ->KyoAni? Suddenly, we're back to the whole KyouAni thing again.
RmX: will keep that in mind. Tengen Toppa~ Who on earth do you think this is?


Kaisos Erranon: Put Ruri and Rei together and the results... now I am starting to visualize it.

Nico coins Haruki also as Haruhiko btw.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 13:39
I think it is a good thing to have the names look alike, that way it is easilly recognisable whom the character was bend from. And like Dkellis pointed out, it is also a good idea to have the names not be identical to their originals.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 13:46
Kyo-loli is fitting, but not one we can actually use in-verse.

Also, TV Tropes has an entry (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheRuri) for characters like her.

Should make it a bit easier...

beanbrew
2008-03-05, 13:56
1 vote for Itsuko

Alright, bad joke, but for Itsuki, I kinda like the name 'Satsuki'. Sounds just origional enough I think.

Satsuki seems too different for me...
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Raijinken
2008-03-05, 14:43
...Well, I guess it does look a little too different. I was going by sound. Yeah, I can imagine...

"Satsuki? Who the hell is that?!"

Legacy|iB
2008-03-05, 14:51
Itsuko sounds good.

I like the name. For me, it sounds like a play on 'Itsuki-ko' and can be shortened to Itsuko rather well, and it's at least close enough to Itsuki without being too different.

So, +1 for Itsuko :D

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 15:00
I suppose it's time for me to vote Itsuko as well.

I prefer the preservation of the characters' initials above all else. Plus in my head I'll be thinking "Itsuki-chan" anyway.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 15:30
I suppose it's time for me to vote Itsuko as well.

I prefer the preservation of the characters' initials above all else. Plus in my head I'll be thinking "Itsuki-chan" anyway.

I vote Itsuko too.

I think it's pretty well official.

Sorry, Raijinken.

Keroko
2008-03-05, 15:49
Itsuko it is.

Now, what about Mikuru? Mitsuru or Minoru?

I vote Mitsuru

beanbrew
2008-03-05, 16:02
Not sure about that one, the way I see it:

Pro: Already a 'Koi no Minoru Densetsu'
Con: Already a 'Koi no Minoru Densetsu'
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Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 16:21
Itsuko it is.

Now, what about Mikuru? Mitsuru or Minoru?

I vote Mitsuru

I vote Mitsuru too.

Ketro
2008-03-05, 16:48
I vote Mitsuru too.

Mitsuru :heh:

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 17:10
And I will vote in favor of Mitsuru as well. Blogger Shin has done well to influence this already it seems. (He's also now in the first post.)

I'll also list the names on the top post as well. The only one we haven't really come to agreement on is Kyon-ko.

Ithekro
2008-03-05, 17:16
I believe the costume type you are looking for for Haruki and Mitsuru are those worn by the Chippendale Dancers. I seem to recall that use to be the standard cartoon counterpart to the Playboy Bunny parodies in the 80s and 90s.

Tangowr
2008-03-05, 17:56
Kyon-ko's hare hare yukai
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2527969

Kyon-ko singing 倦怠ライフ試唱 2号
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2525758

Some more images

Kyon-ko
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4409/1204755520213ds9.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204755520213ds9.jpg)http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4049/1204745553256wa9.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204745553256wa9.jpg)http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/46/1204756099955hw1.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204756099955hw1.jpg)http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8388/497443mjf9.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=497443mjf9.jpg)

Different hairstyle for kyon-ko
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6968/1204741127976ng2.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204741127976ng2.jpg)

Kyon-ko praticing Hare Hare Yukai
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3413/1204740975211nb5.th.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204740975211nb5.jpg)

TS version of Student Council President
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4471/1204740921923jl5.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204740921923jl5.jpg)

The disappearance of Suzumiya Haruki
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6057/1204735948841si0.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204735948841si0.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9775/1204736292909mv6.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204736292909mv6.jpg)

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 18:17
The United States Marine Corps would like to have a word with you, as would the Navy SEALs, Delta Force, Special Air Service, Special Boat Service, Force Recon, GSG-9 and many, many other organisations..

Add in the ROK MArines.


Incidentally, most katana in WW2 were used to execute defenceless, unarmed prisoners, or for sepukku. The Marines used their K-BARs to kill the enemy..

Katanas WERE used in actual combat, although it wasn't efficient in the word of guns.


Summation: Katana = debatable manliness. K-BAR = undisputed badass.

I disagree. It would be:

Katana = Old/Yakuza manliness, Combat Knife = Modern warfare manilness.

John.S
2008-03-05, 18:27
wow ... I just found this thread
this is a great idea ... uh, in some ways ^^;;

Bean Bandit
2008-03-05, 18:32
Toss in another vote for leaving 'Kyon' as is. They can call her with 'Kyon-chan' but it's an onomatapiec nickname, isn't it? Actually calling her 'Kyon-ko' doesn't seem to make much sense.

Something I'm actually interested in seeing is the first time Haruki drags the SOS-dan out to mystery hunt. Mikuru confiding in Kyon about her status as a time traveller was actually surprisingly flirty.

Will Kyon-chan blush when he tells her 'That's Classified' and winks?

Not to mention the hilarity of a tiny ponytailed girl dragging Yuuki from the Library to meet with an impatient and pissed off Haruki
(I guess you can tell I'm working off the Anime imagery mostly-I keep meaning to read the novels, and getting sidetracked)

Legacy|iB
2008-03-05, 18:33
Lurked a bit and found these, and I figure they're relevant enough. Not sure if they've been posted yet, but I'll throw 'em in anyways.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3650/1204444297862tc3.th.gif (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204444297862tc3.gif)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4229/1204446285411up3.th.gif (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204446285411up3.gif)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7127/1193107480005bw9.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1193107480005bw9.jpg)

I like the first one :D

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 19:00
Did another Kyonko.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7025/kyonkoxo1.th.png (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyonkoxo1.png)
(heck of alot easier than the last one I did. Might be tad too energetic for Kyon...)



@DannyCat: It could've simply been that Reeve's Muntjac (Kyon) somehow made a big impression on Kyon or his aunt.
@Kang Seung Jae: that made me chuckle.

edit2: I dunno what came over me, but this Kyonko thing is like a virus. I feel compelled to draw more for some reason...

DannyCat
2008-03-05, 19:42
Toss in another vote for leaving 'Kyon' as is. They can call her with 'Kyon-chan' but it's an onomatapiec nickname, isn't it? Actually calling her 'Kyon-ko' doesn't seem to make much sense.Yeah, "Kyon" is a nickname in the first place. If there's a "-ko" anywhere, it would be in the original name that the nickname was derived from. I could easily picture her real name being "Kyoko" or something and then having her uncle call her "Kyon", leading to her brother adopting the nickname, leading to everyone else using it.

Ayanokoji
2008-03-05, 19:57
Hi everyone~~~~ I'm new at this forum, and got hook up really bad with this project... Kyon-chan is just too damn cute~!!! She won my heart more than Haruhi ever did... god... now, back with the post, I wanted to share some of my ideas with you...

About Misuru and Haruki: I read that Haruki wanted to make Misuru more manly, and it's alrgiht and all, but... what if it's other way 'round? I mean, Haruki is and eccentric and hyperactive boy, right? then, why not making Misuru, who has a girlish and cute face being a boy and a short body, crossdress like hell??? like, making him wearing sailor uniform, maid dress, and other girlish cloths... Kyon seeing that Misuru is forced to crossdress, she fells an urge to protect those puppy eyed cute sempai begging for a mercy, since for Kyon, what Haruki's doing is destroying Misuru's future life...

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 19:58
A 4 koma in Korean that I translated for you guys:

http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/th_naganaga_god75328.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/naganaga_god75328.jpg)

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 19:59
Hi everyone~~~~ I'm new at this forum, and got hook up really bad with this project... Kyon-chan is just too damn cute~!!! She won my heart more than Haruhi ever did... god... now, back with the post, I wanted to share some of my ideas with you...

About Misuru and Haruki: I read that Haruki wanted to make Misuru more manly, and it's alrgiht and all, but... what if it's other way 'round? I mean, Haruki is and eccentric and hyperactive boy, right? then, why not making Misuru, who has a girlish and cute face being a boy and a short body, crossdress like hell??? like, making him wearing sailor uniform, maid dress, and other girlish cloths... Kyon seeing that Misuru is forced to crossdress, she fells an urge to protect those puppy eyed cute sempai begging for a mercy, since for Kyon, what Haruki's doing is destroying Misuru's future life...

Haruki: "If his manliness can survive while wearing this maid outfit, then, HE PASSES!"

Kyon: "Doesn't that destroy the entire point of making him 'manlier'?!"

Something like that. It still works.

Tsuikana
2008-03-05, 20:05
Itsuko's Maggare Spectacle
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2504298

Sorry for people without Nico, havent found a youtube version of this yet >.<

Tangowr
2008-03-05, 21:13
Asakura Ryoko
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1866/1204758004616fg3.th.gif (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204758004616fg3.gif)

This is an interesting idea for Haruki to keep the hairband
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6473/1204758549688oc3.th.gif (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204758549688oc3.gif)

Kyon Kyon...hmm...
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4108/1204758736775xk7.th.gif (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204758736775xk7.gif)

Koizumi
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1790/1204759021305lq6.th.gif (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204759021305lq6.gif)

USB500
2008-03-05, 21:15
This thread has suddenly made me gay towards Kyon (in the very good way, that is). :eyespin: :eyespin: (don't take it too seriously :upset: ).

I believe for Kyon's original name, I'll go for "Kyoko" since it's the first name popping out of my head the moment I saw that Kyon-ko pic. :heh: :nod:

And I vote Mitsuru as well. :D

*tags thread*

Kristen
2008-03-05, 21:40
Um...

I just wanted to say that Itsuko's hairstyle was just too cute... And, well, I've been meaning to get a haircut for a while... And I kind of didn't have a style...

Well, needless to say, this thread inspired me to get that haircut, and now I'm just having too much fun with it. ^_^



By the way, a knife isn't feminine at all. A male with a knife can be extremely scary too. It's not like a razor blade or anything. I think swords are more feminine, so I'm all for keeping the knife.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 21:42
Tangowr posted Ramsus's designs. He's still working on a Nanoha doujin strip, and has done a Haruhi strip as well. There's been several people popping out of the woods for the Kyonko thing.

X207
2008-03-05, 21:43
wow this thread was made less than a week ago and its already so popular o.o .

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 21:51
wow this thread was made less than a week ago and its already so popular o.o .

"2008-03-02, 11:25": The first post actually made in the new thread.

Back onto the knife argument, I'm now casting my vote to leave the weapon as is, after looking back on the discussion that occurred earlier in the day.

And no matter how one tries to accomplish it, attempting to kill Kyon-ko IS a sin, as Raijinken so aptly stated yesterday.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 21:57
I've decided to call girly Kyon "Kyon-chan."

The more I say chan, the more I like it.

X207
2008-03-05, 21:59
i find it doesnt make too much difference if its a knife or sword. both are scary as hell to go up against. the point is still the same: stick the pointy end into the opponent while avoid getting stuck with the opponent's blade. lol sorry for the pun

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 22:00
Kyon... now that you mention it, I'd wanna see a contrast crossover of Kyon and Kyou suddenly.

And yes, I am in opinion of leaving Asakura and knife as-is. I find the setting of Kyon being actually stronger than anyone had anticipated by 'her' hard swings with either a bat or a chair to be rather fun as things to keep consistent with the original settings.

Tunafishisgood
2008-03-05, 22:00
knife? doesn't really matter what he's holding long as he is trying to kill Kyonko.
You can either be creative and get a another weapon (I recommend lightsaber, but this is just me:D)
Or just stick with knife.

Wild Goose
2008-03-05, 22:07
Recent trends in anime seem to have the katana as more feminine, especially when you factor in the offical art for Daibanchou, which has the main heroines using the hero's katana. They are not cutting people with it. They are wearing it.

And again, remember, Asakura isn't going to be concerned on issues such as manliness, he's going to go for an efficient and effective weapon in a crowded classroom. Hence K-BAR or combat knife.

Besides, while the knife has shorter range, it allows Asakura to get up close and personal with Kyon-chan.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:11
And again, remember, Asakura isn't going to be concerned on issues such as manliness, he's going to go for an efficient and effective weapon in a crowded classroom. Hence K-BAR or combat knife.

Yeah. Your's was the most compelling argument. Especially in considering what the humanoid interfaces represent. Yuki already has implied that vocal speech is some kind of inefficient mode of communication. So in Asakura's case, I'm sure the use of a knife was seen as the most effective means of removing the Kyon variable from the Suzumiya Haruhi equation.

USB500
2008-03-05, 22:14
I agree. Let Asakura use the knife. :) Would like to see how he thinks of Kyon-chan when he gets up and close with her (much to Haruki's dismay). :nod: Besides, Asakura isn't Asakura without T3H KNIFE.

On the other hand...

Kyon-chan? *tries to think Haruki calling Kyon-chan, and Kyon-chan snaps at the embarrassingly cute suffix*

:eyespin:

*brain explodes*

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 22:16
Kyon-chan? *tries to think Haruki calling Kyon-chan, and Kyon-chan snaps at the embarrassingly cute suffix*

:eyespin:

*brain explodes*

*Faints from massive nosebleed*

Seriously, that mental image makes Kyon-chan more attractive than any pic.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:18
*Faints from massive nosebleed*

Seriously, that mental image makes Kyon-chan more attractive than any pic.

I think I have to pull out this one again:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4803/1204709205650mh3.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1204709205650mh3.jpg)

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 22:20
I think I have to pull out this one again:

OBJECTION!



Blushing Kyon-chan wins all.

Kristen
2008-03-05, 22:20
I think I have to pull out this one again:

I think that book needs a journal in front of Kyon-ko to accelerate it's moeness 50X :p


"Dear Diary,

Today at school, Haruki was really mean! He kept pulling me everywhere, and I don't like how he kept on fondling my breasts!

Minoru, however, looked at me! That boy is just too cute! I really like him, Diary, and you're the only one who understands!

-Kyon-ko"

tshouryuu
2008-03-05, 22:21
Have you read the original novels? Most of the deadpan-ness and sarcastic tone was because of Tomokazu Sugita's voice, if you ask me.

Being female automatically makes her a bit more feminine, ya know. I plan to have her mention that she's mostly grown out of those fantasies, though.


As for the whole Shana-ish thing, I meant physically.Reading the original novel, actually no since I can only read English but I have read a translated version. Unfortunately, I saw the anime first then read the novel later so that could be coloring my perceptions but which girl in her right mind wants to get kidnapped even in a fantasy?

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:21
OBJECTION!



Blushing Kyon-chan wins all.

Let's wait for our image hunter to deliver on that one then.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 22:28
For some reason, I feel that in development of Kyon-chan, the character shouldn't really change the traits such as being responsible, have some computing skills (but that hidden folder of Mikuru* would be a laugh riot), being well versed and having an unusual understanding of humanities, history and literature.


..."This is just awesome! I'm in awe of myself. I got sharp eyes for fashion! You in that Yukata could make 100% of all men drop dead."

Thought Haruki said that 5% of men are immune to women since they're gay.

"That's because we here have a shota! The rule of five in a hundred being gay works flawlessly, and don't you forget about that!"

I don't see a point in remembering this.

Asahina-sempai for some reason doesn't seem to deny his... 'cuteness' as he gives himself a dressing down in front of the mirror over the dressing room.

"So this is the traditional clothings of this country! Although it's a bit tight around the waist, it actually looks pretty nice..."

This would be the most 'dignifying' of all the drag getup that Haruki has forced onto Asahina-sempai. Not nearly as 'provocative' as the leotard/bunny suit nor as bizarre as the butler/maid uniform. Rather, here be something that's more 'befitting' for this time of the year, being synonymous for summer and all. For all intents and purposes, this getup actually suits him well, and nobody would be the wiser typically. It's just that... o well, so long as he does look 'cute' in the garment. I can't help but feel sorry for Asahina-sempai. I think I wouldn't mind covering for him given how innocent he appears... almost with a mystical divine aura of buddha actually, and of course I wouldn't ever do anything close to covering for Haruki if things ever head south for him.

USB500
2008-03-05, 22:28
*Faints from massive nosebleed*

Seriously, that mental image makes Kyon-chan more attractive than any pic.

OBJECTION!Blushing Kyon-chan wins all.
Blushing Kyon-chan? I like the image! :D :D

===========

I think that book needs a journal in front of Kyon-ko to accelerate it's moeness 50X :p


"Dear Diary,

Today at school, Haruki was really mean! He kept pulling me everywhere, and I don't like how he kept on fondling my breasts!

Minoru, however, looked at me! That boy is just too cute! I really like him, Diary, and you're the only one who understands!

-Kyon-ko"
Haruki did WHAT???? :twitch: :twitch:

Kristen
2008-03-05, 22:34
Blushing Kyon-chan? I like the image! :D :D

===========


Haruki did WHAT???? :twitch: :twitch:

Well, Haruhi pulls Kyon by the tie, so pulling by the bow would be the same, AKA, fondling the breasts. :p

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:36
Well, Haruhi pulls Kyon by the tie, so pulling by the bow would be the same, AKA, fondling the breasts. :p

Woah woah woah. To avoid such things we had Haruki just pick Kyon-chan up and carry her off to the clubroom.

Kristen
2008-03-05, 22:38
Woah woah woah. To avoid such things we had Haruki just pick Kyon-chan up and carry her off to the clubroom.

Aw... :heh:

Thinking of it, I wonder how far Haruki would go, knowing full well that Kyon-ko is female... And would she sexually abuse Minoru to the same extent? Hm...

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:41
Aw... :heh:

Thinking of it, I wonder how far Haruki would go, knowing full well that Kyon-ko is female... And would she sexually abuse Minoru to the same extent? Hm...

Haruki is Kamina hot blood at his core, with a few parts suave prince a la Ouran's Tamaki, with a dash of Harima Kenji/Sagara Sousuke's clueless tendencies.

Oh yeah and I think the consensus is that Asahina's given name is now Mitsuru, as Shinn87 wrote on his initial blog post.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 22:45
I was bushed. Nonstop activities, first with swimming, then bug catching, and finally the sauna bath in costumes, would drive the healthiest of high school males to the ground. This is why I asked for nothing more than sound sleep for the night. I could still feel the peace from Arcadia when the mobile phone rang.
There is nothing more infuriating than a pointless midnight call that disturbs your sleep. Whoever makes calls during the heat of the night must lack common sense, and out of everyone I know, only Haruki lacks common sense. I really wanted to scream at that douche bag for waking me from my dazed sleep. To my surprise, when I pressed the talk button, the voice that came through belonged to -
"...Uuu(cry)... Uuu(soft cry)..."
The cry of a woman gave me goosebumps. My senses returned to me suddenly. Shoot, wrong number.
Just as I was about to toss my phone -
"Kyon-chan..."
Although the throat was choked up, I could still identify the voice of Asahina-sempai.
Goosebumps broke out once more, but it had a different meaning this time.
"Hello, is that Asahina-sempai?"
Was he bidding me farewell with this call? Anthony must leave for Rome? I was well aware that "here" was but a temporary dwelling for Asahina-sempai and that he must return to the future someday. Would the time be now? I would not agree with simply uttering a farewell before leaving.
Although the 'woman' on the other end of the line was -
"It's me... Uwaaa, it's horrible... Uuu... Ugu... If this keeps up... I... Uwaaa..."
I couldn't understand a word that was coming from him. He was slurring like an elementary schoolchild, and he mixed his sniffings in between, so I couldn't decipher anything. Just as I was at a loss for words -

USB500
2008-03-05, 22:47
I was bushed. Nonstop activities, first with swimming, then bug catching, and finally the sauna bath in costumes, would drive the healthiest of high school males to the ground. This is why I asked for nothing more than sound sleep for the night. I could still feel the peace from Arcadia when the mobile phone rang.
There is nothing more infuriating than a pointless midnight call that disturbs your sleep. Whoever makes calls during the heat of the night must lack common sense, and out of everyone I know, only Haruki lacks common sense. I really wanted to scream at that douche bag for waking me from my dazed sleep. To my surprise, when I pressed the talk button, the voice that came through belonged to -
"...Uuu(cry)... Uuu(soft cry)..."
The cry of a woman gave me goosebumps. My senses returned to me suddenly. Shoot, wrong number.
Just as I was about to toss my phone -
"Kyon-chan..."
Although the throat was choked up, I could still identify the voice of Asahina-sempai.
Goosebumps broke out once more, but it had a different meaning this time.
"Hello, is that Asahina-sempai?"
Was he bidding me farewell with this call? Anthony must leave for Rome? I was well aware that "here" was but a temporary dwelling for Asahina-sempai and that she must return to the future someday. Would the time be now? I would not agree with simply uttering a farewell before leaving.
Although the 'woman' on the other end of the line was -
"It's me... Uwaaa, it's horrible... Uuu... Ugu... If this keeps up... I... Uwaaa..."
I couldn't understand a word that was coming from him. He was slurring like an elementary schoolchild, and he mixed his sniffings in between, so I couldn't decipher anything. Just as I was at a loss for words -
I got instant diabetes at the image of crying, desperate-for-help Mitsuru. :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin: and Ugu FTW :D

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:49
I look forward to the next scene where Kyon-chan finds out that Itsuki-chan is also with Mitsuru. How does jealousy translate? Or is it motherly instinct? Or is Itsuki's love for Kyon-chan enough to scare Kyon-chan away?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 22:50
Aw... :heh:

Thinking of it, I wonder how far Haruki would go, knowing full well that Kyon-ko is female... And would she sexually abuse Minoru to the same extent? Hm...

Mitsuuru. It's Mitsuuru.

I don't think Haruki would abuse Mitsuuru to the extent Haruhi abuses Mikuru. Doesn't seem right.

Still gonna have the costume rape though. Chippendales, heh.

Also, guys, I really don't think we should have Kyon-ko attracted to Mitsuuru per se... more like feeling respect and pity, and consider him the little brother she always wanted to have, rather than the one she got. (Her brother is gonna be FUN, heh.) From my experience, girls don't tend to fall for little, weak guys. Sure, they can go "awww, cuuuute", but they probably won't fall for them in the same way Kyon (and the entire male population of North High) fell for Mikuru.

The Fujiyoshi Computer Club, however...

Reading the original novel, actually no since I can only read English but I have read a translated version. Unfortunately, I saw the anime first then read the novel later so that could be coloring my perceptions but which girl in her right mind wants to get kidnapped even in a fantasy?

To be saved by the handsome prince of yore?

Don't ask me. Ask my twisted sense of inspiration. I was editing the text to make it more feminine, saw the line about "saving the captured princess" and it hit me.

If Kyon watched shonen anime, I'm guessing Kyon-ko watched (bad) shojo.

I was bushed. Nonstop activities, first with swimming, then bug catching, and finally the sauna bath in costumes, would drive the healthiest of high school males to the ground. This is why I asked for nothing more than sound sleep for the night. I could still feel the peace from Arcadia when the mobile phone rang.
There is nothing more infuriating than a pointless midnight call that disturbs your sleep. Whoever makes calls during the heat of the night must lack common sense, and out of everyone I know, only Haruki lacks common sense. I really wanted to scream at that douche bag for waking me from my dazed sleep. To my surprise, when I pressed the talk button, the voice that came through belonged to -
"...Uuu(cry)... Uuu(soft cry)..."
The cry of a woman gave me goosebumps. My senses returned to me suddenly. Shoot, wrong number.
Just as I was about to toss my phone -
"Kyon-chan..."
Although the throat was choked up, I could still identify the voice of Asahina-sempai.
Goosebumps broke out once more, but it had a different meaning this time.
"Hello, is that Asahina-sempai?"
Was he bidding me farewell with this call? Anthony must leave for Rome? I was well aware that "here" was but a temporary dwelling for Asahina-sempai and that he must return to the future someday. Would the time be now? I would not agree with simply uttering a farewell before leaving.
Although the 'woman' on the other end of the line was -
"It's me... Uwaaa, it's horrible... Uuu... Ugu... If this keeps up... I... Uwaaa..."
I couldn't understand a word that was coming from him. He was slurring like an elementary schoolchild, and he mixed his sniffings in between, so I couldn't decipher anything. Just as I was at a loss for words -

I'd personally change more than that. Kyon-ko still sounds like a guy.

Kristen
2008-03-05, 22:51
Haruki is Kamina hot blood at his core, with a few parts suave prince a la Ouran's Tamaki, with a dash of Harima Kenji/Sagara Sousuke's clueless tendencies.

Oh yeah and I think the consensus is that Asahina's given name is now Mitsuru, as Shinn87 wrote on his initial blog post.

Heh... *Is just a casual viewer of this fad, well, other than cutting her hair Itsuki-chan style*


And, um, from what I've seen, Kamina would sexually abuse as well. :p

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:52
And, um, from what I've seen, Kamina would sexually abuse as well. :p

Nah. Kamina-sama's way above that.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 22:53
(I guess some part of me couldn't really accept a complete change in ways of speech. Somehow, the oblivious nature of Kyon from time to time sticks out so sorely that I can't see it being turned around. Here's a personality that wouldn't believe in Santa Claus and complaints about the failures of Koi*umi administration regarding Chinese diplomatic situations subconsciously!)

I look forward to the next scene where Kyon-chan finds out that Itsuki-chan is also with Mitsuru. How does jealousy translate? Or is it motherly instinct? Or is Itsuki's love for Kyon-chan enough to scare Kyon-chan away?

"I have just contacted Nagato-san. As I have predicted, he seems to be well aware of the situation. You will understand the details if you ask Nagato-san. That sums up the situation. Could you come and meet us right now? Of course, I will not notify Suzumiya-san."
Of course I could. Those that would actually torment the gentle and innocent Asahina-sempai deserves death sevenfold.

Koizumi informed me of the location, which was right in front of the station. It seemed that the area was the SOS-reserved meeting spot.


I wonder... XD

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 22:54
THIS TOPIC IS TOO FAST.

SLOOOW DOOWN.

(But then it's all like "SCREW YOU!" and kick you in the face with its ENERGY LEGS!)

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:56
THIS TOPIC IS TOO FAST.

SLOOOW DOOWN.

(But then it's all like "SCREW YOU!" and kick you in the face with its ENERGY LEGS!)

Just wait until you actually release a full chapter. :D

How's the progress there btw?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 22:57
Just wait until you actually release a full chapter. :D

How's the progress there btw?

Homework, sadly, takes precedence over Haruhi.

Kristen
2008-03-05, 22:57
Mitsuuru. It's Mitsuuru.

I don't think Haruki would abuse Mitsuuru to the extent Haruhi abuses Mikuru. Doesn't seem right.

Still gonna have the costume rape though. Chippendales, heh.

Also, guys, I really don't think we should have Kyon-ko attracted to Mitsuuru per se... more like feeling respect and pity, and consider him the little brother she always wanted to have, rather than the one she got. (Her brother is gonna be FUN, heh.) From my experience, girls don't tend to fall for little, weak guys. Sure, they can go "awww, cuuuute", but they probably won't fall for them in the same way Kyon (and the entire male population of North High) fell for Mikuru.

The Fujiyoshi Computer Club, however...

What is the plan with the Computer Club? Force them to grab "Down there" on Misuuru?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 22:59
What is the plan with the Computer Club? Force them to grab "Down there" on Misuuru?

I really don't know. Thankfully, I think it's second chapter.

Probably do that, though, considering how well hung Mitsuuru apparently is.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 22:59
What is the plan with the Computer Club? Force them to grab "Down there" on Misuuru?

Tempt them perhaps?

Haruki: Let's lock Mitsuru into a room with them and see what happens.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 22:59
Rather, more as if Haruki forced them to 'torture' Asahina-san. Imagine poor Asahina-san being stepped on by someone's foot as the said foot rubbed around that area of his body, while helplessly 'pinned down' and cannot defend himself.

USB500
2008-03-05, 23:00
Heh... *Is just a casual viewer of this fad, well, other than cutting her hair Itsuki-chan style*


And, um, from what I've seen, Kamina would sexually abuse as well. :p

Nah. Kamina-sama's way above that.
Aniki just wears his epic orange sunglasses and tells everyone to believe in him who believes in them. :cool:

I didn't know Haruki is Kamina at heart. :uhoh:

===========

"I have just contacted Nagato-san. As I have predicted, he seems to be well aware of the situation. You will understand the details if you ask Nagato-san. That sums up the situation. Could you come and meet us right now? Of course, I will not notify Suzumiya-san."
Of course I could. Those that would actually torment the gentle and innocent Asahina-sempai deserves death sevenfold.

Koizumi informed me of the location, which was right in front of the station. It seemed that the area was the SOS-reserved meeting spot.


I wonder... XD
XD XD XD

Damn, the line I highlighted really cracked the hell of me. :heh: :heh: :heh:

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 23:00
Rather, more as if Haruki forced them to 'torture' Asahina-san. Imagine poor Asahina-san being stepped on by someone's foot as the said foot rubbed around that area of his body, while helplessly 'pinned down' and cannot defend himself.

That's dark. Very dark.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 23:02
Oh yeah and I think the consensus is that Asahina's given name is now Mitsuru, as Shinn87 wrote on his initial blog post.

I was thinking "Minoru." It has a softer touch, to match the shota-ness.

At least, that's the current consensus over here in Korea, at the largest Haruhi club in Korea (over 20,000 active members).

Kristen
2008-03-05, 23:02
Rather, more as if Haruki forced them to 'torture' Asahina-san. Imagine poor Asahina-san being stepped on by someone's foot as the said foot rubbed around that area of his body, while helplessly 'pinned down' and cannot defend himself.

Well, that certainly does cover the scream of it. :p

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 23:06
Damn, the line I highlighted really cracked the hell of me. :heh: :heh: :heh:

I think that's in the original too.

Damn, Endless Eight needs to be anime-ized, it's awesome. "Ghetto Swimming Pool", heh. I love Kyon.

That's dark. Very dark.

So is half the novel series.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 23:07
Do remember that Kyon calls Asahina as Asahina, Koizumi as Koizumi, Suzumiya by first name, Nagato as Nagato, and only Asahina and Suzumiya refer to Kyon as 'Kyon'. Koizumi and Nagato use 'you' as they address Kyon as a second person.

I am trying to demonstrate that if it were by novel canon, Kyon-chan will certainly talk very differently from a stereotypical shoujo. The circumstances around the novels have to do with Kyon's logic and the perception Kyon has over the surroundings. Even for a male, Kyon doesn't really talk like a typical young man as who in the right mind will think of former PM Mori and Uesegi Tenshin, or battle of Surigao Strait?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 23:07
I was thinking "Minoru." It has a softer touch, to match the shota-ness.

At least, that's the current consensus over here in Korea, at the largest Haruhi club in Korea (over 20,000 active members).

We already have a Minoru (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYi6BpGudUo) though.

Do remember that Kyon calls Asahina as Asahina, Koizumi as Koizumi, Suzumiya by first name, Nagato as Nagato, and only Asahina and Suzumiya refer to Kyon as 'Kyon'. Koizumi and Nagato use 'you' as they address Kyon as a second person.

I am trying to demonstrate that if it were by novel canon, Kyon-chan will certainly talk very differently from a stereotypical shoujo. The circumstances around the novels have to do with Kyon's logic and the perception Kyon has over the surroundings.

That's not what I'm talking about. The only thing you really changed was the names and the gender pronouns. More needs to be done to it so that one gets the feel that "oh, a girl wrote this" when reading it.

And how do you know how Kyon-ko acts in novel canon? She doesn't exist in novel canon. Half the point of rewriting this is to show how the perceptions and logic would be different if Kyon was a girl.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 23:08
So is half the novel series.

Not to that extent I believe. But who's to say?

renrutal
2008-03-05, 23:10
Kyon-chan works well...

Now that you say it, I just went through a wide search in baka-tsuki about the usage of Kyon in the volumes:

Haruhi, Taniguchi, Kunikida, Nakagawa (Nagato-fanboy), Sasaki: Kyon only
Asahina, Kyon's sister: Kyon-kun only (vol 9 disagrees, might be a mistranslation)
Tsuruya: Mostly Kyon-kun, sometimes Kyon in vol 7
Itsuki: Said Kyon only once on vol 4, mocking both Kyon and John names. Other than that, never.
Yuki: Never, ever said Kyon or Kyon-kun, this even a major plot point in Snow Mountain Syndrome.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 23:11
Not to that extent I believe. But who's to say?

Well, they're certainly not as funny, due to the lack of visual humor. But yeah, who's to say?

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 23:16
Do remember that Kyon calls Asahina as Asahina, Koizumi as Koizumi, Suzumiya by first name, Nagato as Nagato, and only Asahina and Suzumiya refer to Kyon as 'Kyon'. Koizumi and Nagato use 'you' as they address Kyon as a second person.

I am trying to demonstrate that if it were by novel canon, Kyon-chan will certainly talk very differently from a stereotypical shoujo. The circumstances around the novels have to do with Kyon's logic and the perception Kyon has over the surroundings. Even for a male, Kyon doesn't really talk like a typical young man as who in the right mind will think of former PM Mori and Uesegi Tenshin, or battle of Surigao Strait?

Kyon-chan would indeed have to sound different from the original Kyon. She's more likely to refer to Haruki by his given name, although the -kun suffix is up in the air (I'm leaning no on that). She's likely to be at or around the same level of formality and conduct with Yuuki, but the relationship with Mitsuru is a strange one. And maybe it's just me, but I envision more intimacy with Itsuki-chan, if only for girl bonding. :heh:

Her thought process also has to be different from the original Kyon. What girl in their right mind would think like Kyon does? Actually, how many of us guys think like him?

Like Kaisos suggested, Kyon is a watcher of shounen and sci-fi, while Kyon-chan is likely to have been influenced by shoujo and other such things (where I have very little experience).

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 23:18
@Kaisos Erranon (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=71051) depends if your conjectures made are based on the criteria of close to equal outcomes out of the scenarios and whether or not if the scenarios themselves are closely identical to that of the canon. Frankly, the only frame of reference in the entirety of Haruhi series is based solely from the perspective of one Kyon. Essentially, the only 'established' point of reference is that of Kyon as in canon...

Yes, I have merely changed she to he. ChrissieXD in comparison is attempting to create a different personality and to gain another view. I will not only acknowledge your point, but actually thinking about how hard it would be to construct an independent mindset for Kyon-ko...

Kyon-ko's influence might also be... Jane Austin, Heian/Warring period/Meiji poets... Japanese culture isn't quite like that of western mind, since the concept of Bushido for one applies to female as do male, to name just one element. Here by my question: male kyon has a unique mind for a male, but what would constitute as a unique mind for a female?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 23:19
I will not only acknowledge your point, but actually thinking about how hard it would be to construct an independent mindset for Kyon-ko...

This is exactly what I am attempting to do.

Or will be attempting to do once I get this report done.

Maaa, I hate college...

renrutal
2008-03-05, 23:22
About what to do with the Computer Society, try something like they're a fake club, their real intention is to spend time on Yaoi worship and production. Then Haruki finds out...

That should turn into an interesting Day of Sagittarius... Boys Love game? Yuuki turns out to be their BL god-like player(he's just knowledgeable, not that he's really into that... currently)?

Kristen
2008-03-05, 23:22
@Kaisos Erranon (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=71051) depends if your conjectures made are based on the criteria of close to equal outcomes out of the scenarios and whether or not if the scenarios themselves are closely identical to that of the canon. Frankly, the only frame of reference in the entirety of Haruhi series is based solely from the perspective of one Kyon. Essentially, the only 'established' point of reference is that of Kyon as in canon...

Yes, I have merely changed she to he. ChrissieXD in comparison is attempting to create a different personality and to gain another view. I will not only acknowledge your point, but actually thinking about how hard it would be to construct an independent mindset for Kyon-ko...

That's more ignorance than anything else on my part. :p

If it's a fanfic, it's up to the author(s) to decide the personality and actions, as that is the canon ending in that world. But, the great thing about literature is that you don't have to accept that ending or characterization. For instance, I love Kazumi of Shana, so I made a canon ending in my mind of having her end up with Yuji. It's not for anyone else to tell me that my plotline was wrong, as it is my canon ending.
Basically, I think in terms of the fanfiction end of this (The rewrite of the story), the author should be the one who makes the final say. It just means that in his/her world, that's their personality, and that's what happens.

CrowKenobi
2008-03-05, 23:23
And we have 400 posts in 4 days! :twitch: :twitch:

If that's not the description of hot, I don't know what is! :D

Anyway, just some random thoughts:
What makes Kyon-ko take an interest in Haruki like Kyon did with Haruhi?
Does she resist Haruki better than Kyon resists Haruhi?
Chippendale-type outfits work for me, but I can't get Chris Farley out of my head for some reason... :eyespin:
Who gets tapped for "maid" duties?
If Mitsuuru: a trap maid or a butler? (maybe Haruki has watched/read Hayate the Combat Butler?)That's all for now! :D

:cool:

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 23:23
Kyon-chan would indeed have to sound different from the original Kyon. She's more likely to refer to Haruki by his given name, although the -kun suffix is up in the air (I'm leaning no on that). She's likely to be at or around the same level of formality and conduct with Yuuki, but the relationship with Mitsuru is a strange one. And maybe it's just me, but I envision more intimacy with Itsuki-chan, if only for girl bonding. :heh:)

Given how informal the real relation is, I would say Kyon-chan will not use "kun" on Haruki.

Asahina will probably remain Asahina.

In Nagato's case...... well, I'll leave that up to you.

Koizumi: First name terms. It's a girl thing.


Her thought process also has to be different from the original Kyon. What girl in their right mind would think like Kyon does? Actually, how many of us guys think like him?

Like Kaisos suggested, Kyon is a watcher of shounen and sci-fi, while Kyon-chan is likely to have been influenced by shoujo and other such things (where I have very little experience).

(I consider myself as a mixture of Tomoya and Kyon :heh: I can get even more cynical when it isn't connected to anime)


I'm thinking of Kyon-ko as a less cynical, more dreamy type of person.

DJ, I'll read over your work sometime later, and comment on it. Let's see if I can get some of my shoujo experience into it.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 23:25
Hoho, that would requite a completely different set of references to that of the original Day of Sagittarius III, being heavily influenced by Legend of Galactic Heroes and Yamato. For one thing, if you want an equivalence to that in gaming annals of fame, you need Tokimeki memorial and even before that... and there is no such thing as a multiplayer LAN dating sim game ... in 2D.

I actually think of Kyon-ko as somewhat jaded and cynical I guess! Having no belief in miracle nor Santa Claus, she is forced to deal with reality as male Kyon does... while never that popular and sees things from the sideline perpetually.

Kang Seung Jae: You don't mean Regnarok. I know there's a 3D MMORPG all about 'dating and sex' being made in S.Korea... those girls in computer club would have to be pretty 'savvy' to hunt down things that aren't ported over to Japan. From what I recall, Korean products didn't hit big in Japan until after 1995.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 23:26
and there is no such thing as a multiplayer LAN dating sim game ... in 2D.

I think there wa such a thing.... in Korea :eyebrow:


I'm not joking.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 23:27
And we have 400 posts in 4 days! :twitch: :twitch:

If that's not the description of hot, I don't know what is! :D

Anyway, just some random thoughts:
What makes Kyon-ko take an interest in Haruki like Kyon did with Haruhi?
Does she resist Haruki better than Kyon resists Haruhi?
Chippendale-type outfits work for me, but I can't get Chris Farley out of my head for some reason... :eyespin:
Who gets tapped for "maid" duties?
If Mitsuuru: a trap maid or a butler? (maybe Haruki has watched/read Hayate the Combat Butler?)That's all for now! :D

:cool:

To answer your thoughts:

(I WANT INPUT ON THE FOLLOWING, PLEASE)

- Hmm, I'd have to say for the same reasons, mostly. Haruki's pretty good looking, seems to have similar interests, stands out a lot. Then she talks to him and is utterly weirded out.

-Kyon resists Haruhi pretty well, considering. As for poor Kyon-ko, since Haruki can pick her up at will, I don't think she's going to have an easy time...

-Um. Yeah, Chippendales. I'm going to squick myself out writing that one.

-Mitsuuru. To Haruki, dressing in drag is one way of proving one's manliness.

-As above, Trap Maid. Because it's funnier. Unless anyone has objections? (Referencing Hayate would be fun...)



I'm thinking of Kyon-ko as a less cynical, more dreamy type of person.

DJ, I'll read over your work sometime later, and comment on it. Let's see if I can get some of my shoujo experience into it.[/COLOR][/B]

His... work?

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 23:28
And we have 400 posts in 4 days! :twitch: :twitch:

If that's not the description of hot, I don't know what is! :D

Anyway, just some random thoughts:
What makes Kyon-ko take an interest in Haruki like Kyon did with Haruhi?
Does she resist Haruki better than Kyon resists Haruhi?
Chippendale-type outfits work for me, but I can't get Chris Farley out of my head for some reason... :eyespin:
Who gets tapped for "maid" duties?
If Mitsuuru: a trap maid or a butler? (maybe Haruki has watched/read Hayate the Combat Butler?)That's all for now! :D

:cool:

Thanks Crow. To answer some of the thoughts:

- Haruki's a pretty good looking bastard. Strange eccentricities aside, it's pretty much the same reasoning as the original novel.
- Something tells me Kyon-chan's gonna have a harder time resisting Haruki than Kyon does with Haruhi. But she'll try her best!
- I'm torn between how we should divvy up maid duties. Asahina's still the prime candidate, but Kyon-chan looks so good in the maid outfit, and I've seen Itsuki-chan cosplay raping Kyon-chan already.

DJ, I'll read over your work sometime later, and comment on it. Let's see if I can get some of my shoujo experience into it.

That's Kaisos's dominion. PM him, he's the writer.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 23:32
As Kyon sees Haruhi, Kyonko might Haruki being a person that can realize dreams, no matter what the circumstances be I suppose. A universal theme with the sheer tidal wave of Suzumiya's personality is that no element can oppose that fire burning inside this force of nature and that the world will move on Suzumiya's whim.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 23:33
His... work?

That's Kaisos's dominion. PM him, he's the writer.


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/kyon02021mv.gif

Sorry, my brain is melting in this bloody hell of registering classes

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 23:33
As Kyon sees Haruhi, Kyonko might Haruki being a person that can realize dreams, no matter what the circumstances be I suppose. A universal theme with the sheer tidal wave of Suzumiya's personality is that no element can oppose that fire burning inside this force of nature and that the world will move on Suzumiya's whim.

Going beyond the impossible and kicking reason to the curb? Haruki's spiral energy is limitless?!

renrutal
2008-03-05, 23:34
Thinking more about the Yaoi computer fan club, I don't think Haruki would blackmail them for that, he'd actually shoot a photo session with Mitsuruu, and would trade the pics for a computer.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 23:37
Thinking more about the Yaoi computer fan club, I don't think Haruki would blackmail them for that, he'd actually shoot a photo session with Mitsuruu, and would trade the pics for a computer.

Poor, useless, Mitsuuru.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/kyon02021mv.gif

Sorry, my brain is melting in this bloody hell of registering classes

There we go.

I appreciate the help, though. The only shoujo I've ever seen is Ouran, so that's a big help.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 23:38
renrutal makes the circumstances sound much more tame than the source material...
RMX suddenly makes me think of one lowly digger, Simon that makes Kamina's advances possible. And... I will be very sad if Kyon or Kyonko has to say "Suzumiya is not here anymore! I am... ------{///> (blah)"

Darn. The part that I really enjoyed with Suzumiya Haruhi series is how that Kyon really has such a unique mind. Kyonspeak is chalk full of references that I happily swallow down and the character practically sings with his grumbles to me anyway. Now how to get Kyon-ko do that...

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-05, 23:41
Darn. The part that I really enjoyed with Suzumiya Haruhi series is how that Kyon really has such a unique mind. Kyonspeak is chalk full of references that I happily swallow down and the character practically sings with his grumbles to me anyway. Now how to get Kyon-ko do that...

Kyon is no more unique than another cynical person (although I admit he's a bit extreme).

It's just that getting to see the inside of such a person is an unique experience, for most people.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 23:44
I have not heard of a high school cynic that can talk about turtle ships and argue with no end over whether to acknowledge it as a myth, take it as reality, accept the story prima facie, or to consider it as 'fact' according to history while not really emotionally embroiled with the topic. It is not his rantings that I am amused with, but how he is able to incite these things to back his melancholic mumblings~ it is really amusing to see a cynical youth able to make such connection and inferences, for I mostly see mere cynics back in high school that cannot back their arguments, or mindless drones that merely recite these facts yet never able to apply them to their own scenarios in life.

Somehow, on second thought, I think this might be rather... limited view to look at the material. Alot of people can't stand Koizumi's ontological technobabbles, and finds Nagato's cryptic error logs hard to comprehend... and they find the fun in the weird antics of SOS and the hardships of Asahina. I guess I might be in a small subset that loves it the moment that Kyon pokes really dry fun at Genro and the last of the Tokugawa XD

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-05, 23:51
I have not heard of a high school cynic that can talk about turtle ships and argue with no end over whether to acknowledge it as a myth, take it as reality, accept the story prima facie, or to consider it as 'fact' according to history while not really emotionally embroiled with the topic. It is not his rantings that I am amused with, but how he is able to incite these things to back his melancholic mumblings~ it is really amusing to see a cynical youth able to make such connection and inferences, for I mostly see mere cynics back in high school that cannot back their arguments, or mindless drones that merely recite these facts yet never able to apply them to their own scenarios in life.

I have a theory that one of the reasons Kyon peppers his narration with references like that is because he's writing the story from about 20-30 years in the future.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-05, 23:54
renrutal makes the circumstances sound much more tame than the source material...
RMX suddenly makes me think of one lowly digger, Simon that makes Kamina's advances possible. And... I will be very sad if Kyon or Kyonko has to say "Suzumiya is not here anymore! I am... ------{///> (blah)"

Darn. The part that I really enjoyed with Suzumiya Haruhi series is how that Kyon really has such a unique mind. Kyonspeak is chalk full of references that I happily swallow down and the character practically sings with his grumbles to me anyway. Now how to get Kyon-ko do that...

No one's going to be able to surpass the mass of GAR in this series that is Haruki. I think we can be assured of that (at least until we finally address the alternate SOS crew).

As for Kyon. No one's going to be able to replace that crazy son-of-a-biatch. For a "normal human', he's one of the most unique individuals I've ever come across in a work of fiction, although admittedly I haven't experienced all that much yet.

What makes this interesting is trying to translate Kyon's unique characteristics and experiences into the whole new character that is Kyon-chan. They're not going to line up exactly, and I wouldn't expect them to. There's nobody to replace an indiviudal point for point in every trait and memory that has been built up into the person that they formed.

I have a theory that one of the reasons Kyon peppers his narration with references like that is because he's writing the story from about 20-30 years in the future.

The present tense kind of throws that off though.

panzerfan
2008-03-05, 23:56
The tense in the Haruhi storyline... that is possible actually, although the actual tense used in the Japanese version and the Chinese translation is a mix of mostly present tense with some past recollections, whereas in Baka-Tsuki's translation past tense is used due to ease of following. When I was translating, this was a headache for the proofreaders. There is a unified format API that could be read on Baka-Tsuki regarding formatting on this actually.

And yes, I personally got suspicious when Kyon gets talking about things such "Marianas Turkey Shoot", for that's not even what a typical Japanese high school student is supposed to learn in the textbooks!

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 00:01
The tense in the Haruhi storyline... that is possible actually, although the actual tense used in the Japanese version and the Chinese translation is a mix of mostly present tense with some past recollections, whereas in Baka-Tsuki's translation past tense is used due to ease of following. When I was translating, this was a headache for the proofreaders.

Ah, you're one of the translators. I didn't know that.

Yeah, present tense means nothing. He makes reference to the "readers" several times.

Besides, have any of you read any of Frank McCourt's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_McCourt) books? He writes about himself and his own history, but writes as though it's happening at that moment.

Also, he doesn't use quotation marks. Ever.

By the way, I found this list (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi:Guideline#Table_of _inter-character_names) of "inter-character names" on Baka-Tsuki.

tshouryuu
2008-03-06, 00:07
To be saved by the handsome prince of yore?

Don't ask me. Ask my twisted sense of inspiration. I was editing the text to make it more feminine, saw the line about "saving the captured princess" and it hit me.

If Kyon watched shonen anime, I'm guessing Kyon-ko watched (bad) shojo.
Here is a question, are you making Kyon-chan a tsundere? If so that line just doesn't quite seemed to compute. Also bad shoujo is more likely, imho, to turn her into a yaoi fangirl (I don't have much experience with shoujo so its purely guesswork on my part).

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-06, 00:08
And yes, I personally got suspicious when Kyon gets talking about things such "Marianas Turkey Shoot", for that's not even what a typical Japanese high school student is supposed to learn in the textbooks!

And you're saying that Japanese students only knows what they learn in school?


In my opinion, you're either underestimating the Japanese students, or overestimating the maturity of Kyon.

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 00:10
Kang Seung Jae: I pessimistically would say that this isn't the kind of image nor the information that the Japanese educators want to feed to their own youth. Therefore, it is not uncommon for the youth to remain completely oblivious to such things. Heck, the fall of the last empress of South Korea I doubt would be something they would talk about, whereas the naval victory over Tsushima Strait, 1905 would be trumpeted in the Japanese textbooks.

As such, given how the Japanese educational system kills self-learning with their regime, for people to know more than what they are spoon fed is surprising.

Kaisos Erranon: That sound interesting.

(and I will apologize for going off on a huge tangent right now and think more about Kyon-ko, as I realize that my words are going adrift on a 'nice boat' cruise )

beanbrew
2008-03-06, 00:11
Totally random, but maybe this thread should be "The Genderbending of Haruki Suzumiya".
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Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 00:12
Here is a question, are you making Kyon-chan a tsundere? If so that line just doesn't quite seemed to compute.

Not really. Not a typical tsundere, no. Typical tsunderes only really work when they don't narrate the story.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 00:13
Totally random, but maybe this thread should be "The Genderbending of Haruki Suzumiya".

Well the idea is that Haruhi's crew is the one being genderbent. The other title implies the reverse.

renrutal
2008-03-06, 00:15
renrutal makes the circumstances sound much more tame than the source material...

I'd say the source material is much more tame than this :D


Now what was again the point of the Dai-Gurr... erm Dai-SOS Brigade, would they still be into paranormal events? I still don't know Haruki's objectives.... to overload the world with manliness?

What would Haruki write in the ground 3 years ago? Challenge the whole universe by writing "ORE WO DARE DA TO OMOTTEYAGARU" in alien speak?

Another trait of Haruki: regarding himself as "Ore-sama".

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-06, 00:18
Kang Seung Jae: I pessimistically would say that this isn't the kind of image nor the information that the Japanese educators want to feed to their own youth. Therefore, it is not uncommon for the youth to remain completely oblivious to such things. Heck, the fall of the last empress of South Korea I doubt would be something they would talk about, whereas the naval victory over Tsushima Strait, 1905 would be trumpeted in the Japanese textbooks.

As such, given how the Japanese educational system kills self-learning with their regime, for people to know more than what they are spoon fed is surprising.

And I pessimistically say that you don't have much knowledge on what Japanese students know :rolleyes:

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 00:20
I'd say the source material is much more tame than this :D


Now what was again the point of the Dai-Gurr... erm Dai-SOS Brigade, would they still be into paranormal events? I still don't know Haruki's objectives.... to overload the world with manliness?

What would Haruki write in the ground 3 years ago? Challenge the whole universe by writing "ORE WO DARE DA TO OMOTTEYAGARU" in alien speak?

Another trait of Haruki: regarding himself as "Ore-sama".

We can't use "Ore-sama" in English.

And for the love of God, he's not exactly Kamina. He's too pretty for that.

Though the "Save the world by Overloading it with Suzumiya Haruki's manliness Brigade" sounds not half bad.

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 00:23
Sorry about that. Going back to topic... at least that kiss with Haruki wasn't the kiss of death as it were with Yoko and Kamina.

renrutal
2008-03-06, 00:24
Ore-sama -> I, the <insert a superlative adjective here> Haruki Suzumiya

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 00:27
@panzerfan and Kang Seung Jae: Enough.

@rentutal: Keep thinking of the ways in which Haruki can spread hot bloodedness to the far reaches of the universe.

@Everyone else: Find ways for Kyon-chan to make him fail miserably.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-06, 00:29
@panzerfan and Kang Seung Jae: Enough.

All right, mate.


Meanwhile, on Kyon-chan: Can I have a short summary on her mental processing style?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 00:41
All right, mate.


Meanwhile, on Kyon-chan: Can I have a short summary on her mental processing style?

Well... basically, a lot like Kyon, but softer and less blunt in tone. Still sarcastic, just nicer about it. If that makes sense.

She, like the "real" Haruhi, is somewhat sick of "ordinary" guys... mostly disillusioned that no guy she's ever known has met her idea of the "handsome prince" thing...

Yes, this isn't really a summary of mental processing. I figured I'd just write and see what comes out of it.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 00:41
Meanwhile, on Kyon-chan: Can I have a short summary on her mental processing style?

Kyon-chan's one that grew up with shoujo-esque fairy tales as a little kid, but tried to grow out of them a bit too quickly. She's got a "tsundere" sort of nature, but that's mostly due to her still wishing for that knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet.

Something along those lines? I think Kaisos has it more figured out than I do. Or I dunno.

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 00:42
Kyonko is like Kagami in another word huh.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 00:44
Kyonko is like Kagami in another word huh.

I guess that's the most logical comparison yeah. But Kagami's got it easy. No guys in sight as far as romance in Lucky Star is concerned.

Kyon-chan's got a guy. He's pretty good looking. He's even got redeeming princely qualities. But he's also a hot blooded nutjob. :heh:

MistaYoH
2008-03-06, 00:45
http://i26.tinypic.com/b8uiw.jpg

Work in progress...... =) Huge pic...

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 00:46
http://i26.tinypic.com/b8uiw.jpg

Work in progress...... =) Huge pic...

That's an impressive first post.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 00:46
Kyon-chan's one that grew up with shoujo-esque fairy tales as a little kid, but tried to grow out of them a bit too quickly. She's got a "tsundere" sort of nature, but that's mostly due to her still wishing for that knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet.

Something along those lines? I think Kaisos has it more figured out than I do. Or I dunno.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm thinking.


Kyon-chan's got a guy. He's pretty good looking. He's even got redeeming princely qualities. But he's also a hot blooded nutjob. :heh:

"Hot-blooded nutjob"... going to be so much fun to write...

MistaYoH
2008-03-06, 00:47
Been watching the thread for the morning.... I'll continue on this after lunch or something =)

BTW, i used to call her Fyon chan before i heard people calling her Kyonko..... sad i prefer Fyon ==> Female + Kyon = Fyon

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 00:52
@MistaYoH: I am curious about whether or not if you work straight with just path tool or do you use a tablet as well, or do you sketch out image before putting into photoshop? I can never seem to get the 'tracing lines' or the 'border lines' just right.

Really liking how your blemishes are drawn! The way how each layer blends atop each other is sweet and not very pronounced at all. Eyes are spot on and clean, and the characters do have an essence in their eyes.

MistaYoH
2008-03-06, 00:54
The lineart is pencil..... But yes i'm using a lousy tablet..... not even US$70

Thanks for the compliments =)

risingstar3110
2008-03-06, 01:17
Only around 48 hours passed and i have to read from page 8
We may need several different topics to discuss characters, storyline, fan art,....... seperately. Otherwise the floods will make it hard to reply =]

Back to the topic

I still not satisfy with where Haruki is heading. Some facts (as i remember), which might contradict with what Haruki seemed appeared to be up to now:
- He is stunningly cool, handsome (when he is quiet), that make Kyon(-ko) even lose her sense and start the conversation with (as a girl) as soon as she have chance.
- He is almost completely anti-social, who do not talk much with any one(and refer to them as items), especially girl. The only girls whom he communicate with is Kyon-ko and Itsuki. And only when he need something from them (or appeared to need something from them).
- He show no interest in girl and treat them as same level with potato. This make him almost immune to romantic, or gender related topic( which only change later when he with Kyon-ko)
- His original goal is searching and experiencing something extraordinary/fun. And this come from the time he went to the baseball court and see how his fun life was just so normal like everyone.
- Everytime he is unsure of something he ask Kyon-ko and respect her points sometime
- Chapter 1 revolve around how Haruki failed miserably in her searching for fun stuffs, feel melancholy and want to carry Kyon-ko with him too a new world.

PS: Btw, last time I wrote "in English please" is just a joke, mean to say "please describe it in words, do not assume that i can understand every single words you say" :)

Edit1: how can Kyon-ko agree to go to Yuki's apartment btw? He abduct her or something? Any1 have a suitable answer yet?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 01:21
Only around 48 hours passed and i have to read from page 8
We may need several different topics to discuss characters, storyline, fan art,....... seperately. Otherwise the floods will make it hard to reply =]

Back to the topic

I still not satisfy with where Haruki is heading. Some facts (as i remember), which might contradict with what Haruki seemed appeared to be up to now:
- He is stunningly cool, handsome (when he is quiet), that make Kyon(-ko) even lose her sense and start the conversation with (as a girl) as soon as she have chance.
- He is almost completely anti-social, who do not talk much with any one(and refer to them as items), especially girl. The only girls whom he communicate with is Kyon-ko and Itsuki. And only when he need something from them (or appeared to need something from them).
- He show no interest in girl and treat them as same level with potato. This make him almost immune to romantic, or gender related topic( which only change later when he with Kyon-ko)
- His original goal is searching and experiencing something extraordinary/fun. And this come from the time he went to the baseball court and see how his fun life was just so normal like everyone.
- Everytime he is unsure of something he ask Kyon-ko and respect her points sometime
- Chapter 1 revolve around how Haruki failed miserably in her searching for fun stuffs, feel melancholy and want to carry Kyon-ko with him too a new world.

PS: Btw, last time I wrote "in English please" is just a joke, mean to say "please describe it in words, do not assume that i can understand every single words you say" :)

The whole thing about girls... we kinda decided that he'd be sort of a skirt-chaser...

Jintor
2008-03-06, 01:22
If somebody wants to hand me any particular section to Genderbend I'd be happy to take a shot atm. I found a hole in my schedule. :D

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 01:24
If somebody wants to hand me any particular section to Genderbend I'd be happy to take a shot atm. I found a hole in my schedule. :D

You could edit my Prologue and my Chapter One when I'm done with it, if you have the time.

Sorry if I seem rude, it's late...

risingstar3110
2008-03-06, 01:27
The whole thing about girls... we kinda decided that he'd be sort of a skirt-chaser...
I read about it, but i don't think it 's a good idea through.
Haruhi appear to be interested by strange things only (and later by Kyon..... a bit..... maybe.....). That's why she annoyed when spending days without Kyon and can't find anything during her patrolling.
What about Haruki? Can't spend time with Kyon, can't find any strange things, and couldn't find any girls suit his taste?

Sound like every typical male character to me =X

PS: every1 have different time zone through ^^

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 01:33
I read about it, but i don't think it 's a good idea through.
Haruhi appear to be interested by strange things only (and later by Kyon..... a bit..... maybe.....). That's why she annoyed when spending days without Kyon and can't find anything during her patrolling.
What about Haruki? Can't spend time with Kyon, can't find any strange things, and couldn't find any girls suit his taste?

Sound like every typical male character to me =X

Typical male characters in anime are worthless, castrated snots like Yuji Sakai.

If were are able to make Haruki sufficiently GAR, funny, and awesome, people will like him. Simple enough.

risingstar3110
2008-03-06, 01:41
But one is anime, another is novel. Isn't it too risky to base the chance of success on reader's emotion ?

Especially when we may fail to describe Haruki to readers as what we want him to be that way.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 01:46
But one is anime, another is novel. Isn't it too risky to base the chance of success on reader's emotion ?

Especially when we may fail to describe Haruki to readers as what we want him to be that way.

I... I just... orz.

Look, just let me write. It'll be fine in the end.

Besides, all I'm really doing is rewriting the base that Tanigawa has given us. We're basing this off his successful formula.

And what's this about success and failure anyway? We're not selling anything here.

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 01:47
Even Haruhi is hotblooded GAR as a female. Making Haruki as GARuhi is a logical 2nd nature.

"Kyon! Hear this, you know about burning moe and the cute moe?"
What now this time... whatever I say will go in one ear and out the other with this nutcase
I guess... o what was it... turn-on?
"Jeez! Moe! Moe! Things that set your blood boiling, Kyon. Whether it'd be a really cute girl wearing thongs, a neko maid, a man bigger than the world, or the sound of brotherly combination, moe is supposed to leave you too pumped up to do anything but to bask in the glory of the moment!"
Someone's getting pumped. O well... There goes Haruki's cognitive abilities. It's hard enough to talk to him when his mind's intact...

"Look, Kyon. I dun care if you really do have a drill physically or not. Your drill's in your heart, hear me? That drill's the one that shall pierce the heavens! Say it with me! Pierce the heavens! Nothing can stop the SOS Brigade! No Student government, not Okabe, not anything!"

O snap. I need to think of something to answer him fast...

"... Go SOS Brigade~"
"I told you, Kyon! Moe! Moe! Burning passion of manliness in this case!"

Does it occur to me that I am not a man, Haruki?

"Kyon, you'd better change your ways now, or it's never...."
sigh...
"Do this with me! Gattai! Kyou Gattai!"

I WILL NOT GATTAI WITH YOU, SUZUMIYA HARUKI. Even if I will have to go to the depths of the 18 levels of hell itself, I won't sink to that. No... way...
And how did this conversation go from moe to gattai?

shaoron
2008-03-06, 01:48
what the hell!?
i've been gone to work for around 6 hours and you guys added 5-6 pages!?

THIS IS MADNESS!!!!


PS...
to the person who wants to call male asahina-san "minoru"
do you SERIOUSLY want to call him Minoru!?
THINK ABOUT IT! WE ALREADY HAVE ONE WASUREMONO!
ONE IS ENOUGH!!!

maybe we could call the alternate asahina san (the one in intrigues) minoru.. MAYBE...
But never we gonna call such a trap like that MINORU!
it ruins the image... <_<

and speaking of which... i just had a crazy idea...

Asahina san is still a trap, right?
MEIDO ASAHINA MITSUURU! :p

we need one... NAO!

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 01:55
Twenty pages in 3 days... orz.

You guys are nuts...

DannyCat
2008-03-06, 02:13
Update from passionalgallery (http://passionalgallery.cho-chin.com/syuminoheya-6.html):

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5655/asakuraryoutojc4.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asakuraryoutojc4.jpg)http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6572/asakurasyuugeki1lt8.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asakurasyuugeki1lt8.jpg)http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9875/asakurasyuugeki2op6.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asakurasyuugeki2op6.jpg)

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:15
Update from passionalgallery (http://passionalgallery.cho-chin.com/syuminoheya-6.html):

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5655/asakuraryoutojc4.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asakuraryoutojc4.jpg)http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6572/asakurasyuugeki1lt8.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asakurasyuugeki1lt8.jpg)http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9875/asakurasyuugeki2op6.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asakurasyuugeki2op6.jpg)

HE PICKED THE SWORD. There goes our discussion. :heh:

DannyCat
2008-03-06, 02:16
At least it's a short sword.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:17
HE PICKED THE SWORD. There goes our discussion. :heh:

And technically, our work is not his.

Just thought I'd mention that.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:18
And technically, our work is not his.

Yeah I know. I still prefer the knife too. But the influence of artistry is not something to be taken lightly.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:19
Yeah I know. I still prefer the knife too. But the influence of artistry is not something to be taken lightly.

Can you edit the first post with a poll about the knife then?

And in case we do decide on the sword, what kind of sword IS that? A tanto?

Mitsu Aoi
2008-03-06, 02:20
12 members and 22 guest D:

This thread is like Virus

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:22
12 members and 22 guest D:

This thread is like Virus

A meme, actually. Not that it matters.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:22
And in case we do decide on the sword, what kind of sword IS that? A tanto?

Looks like a tanto with a hilt. You don't see 'em like that a lot.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:23
Looks like a tanto with a hilt. You don't see 'em like that a lot.

So how do you think that Kyon-ko would describe it? A shortsword?

Calling it a "hilted tanto" kinda ruins the drama... compare that to "KNIFE!"

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 02:24
The thing looks almost like a kodachi to me in terms of length...
poor Kyon. Asakura didn't even give her the time to chuck that legendary chair at mach speed.

MistaYoH
2008-03-06, 02:26
sigh, the hype will soon die..... i'm back to CGing.... bbl =)

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:26
So how do you think that Kyon-ko would describe it? A shortsword?

Calling it a "hilted tanto" kinda ruins the drama... compare that to "KNIFE!"

Call it what you will I guess. The closest thing is a wakizashi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakizashi) I would think.

And I can't make a poll. :upset:

The thing looks almost like a kodachi to me in terms of length...
poor Kyon. Asakura didn't even give her the time to chuck that legendary chair at mach speed.

A kodachi is way long sometimes.

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:29
The thing looks almost like a kodachi to me in terms of length...
poor Kyon. Asakura didn't even give her the time to chuck that legendary chair at mach speed.

Really doesn't fit for Kyon-ko to throw that chair at 'mach speed'. More like scream and wait to be rescued.

(Yes, I know I'm being sexist. I'm also being a realist.)

Mmm, so are we going with the kodachi or the knife? Which is better?

Shinn87
2008-03-06, 02:29
If no one's up for it, I'll be handling the translations.

PS The artist just replied me too:heh:

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:31
Really doesn't fit for Kyon-ko to throw that chair at 'mach speed'. More like scream and wait to be rescued.

(Yes, I know I'm being sexist. I'm also being a realist.)

Mmm, so are we going with the kodachi or the knife? Which is better?

Well the sword scenario looks like it gives Ryo the opportunity to give Kyon-chan some choice words before her throat gets slit. Flirting with her before she meets her end. Sounds like something that would happen in shoujo too. The knife doesn't permit this as much.

If no one's up for it, I'll be handling the translations.

PS The artist just replied me too:heh:

Please continue your work in that department.

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 02:32
Hmm. Isn't unexpected physical strength a part of moe elements? Who knew that Kyon (original) was able to do that then... I can picture the hilarity when:

It's ironic that I have to 'carry' Haruki. I thought it's the other way around...
"Waita sec! I need to get that Rich n Pulpy drink! Turn left over the next corner, Kyon!"
Grr...
"Now you're showing distinction as a member of the SOS Brigade, Kyon!"
Yea, as a packed mule.

//goes back to think about what to draw next

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:35
Well the sword scenario looks like it gives Kyo the opportunity to give Kyon-chan some choice words before her throat gets slit. Flirting with her before she meets her end. Sounds like something that would happen in shoujo too. The knife doesn't permit this as much.

Mmm, that's true. A lot of the original Haruhi is Kyon's childhood dreams turning into nightmarish equivalents. We can do the same here.

My problem is that "wakazashi" doesn't have an easy English equivalent that I can work with.

Cross that bridge when I come to it then.

So we're going with the wakazashi/kodachi/whatever then?

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:37
Mmm, that's true. A lot of the original Haruhi is Kyon's childhood dreams turning into nightmarish equivalents. We can do the same here.

My problem is that "wakazashi" doesn't have an easy English equivalent that I can work with.

Cross that bridge when I come to it then.

So we're going with the wakazashi/kodachi/whatever then?

I guess so. :heh:

We've derived this much from the great work of the fanartist. Why stop now?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:39
I guess so. :heh:

We've derived this much from the great work of the fanartist. Why stop now?

orz.

I just got the great idea of Kyon-ko, right before Yuuki busts in, making a comment about how ironic it is that the only guy to ever hit on her is about to gut her with a wakazashi.

Or something like that.

Legacy|iB
2008-03-06, 02:40
...!

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2914/sukumizukyon1eo6.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sukumizukyon1eo6.jpg)

How the HELL did I miss this one?!

EDIT: Okay, a little off topic from the current discussion, but I got excited when I saw it.

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 02:41
Asakura... trying to hit on me like a road roller and eat me like gutted fish. Nagato is really my St.Michael or some patron saint. What a relief.

or something like that?

Kaisos Erranon
2008-03-06, 02:42
...!

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2914/sukumizukyon1eo6.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sukumizukyon1eo6.jpg)

How the HELL did I miss this one?!

Okay, a little off topic, but I got excited when I saw it.

The reason we're all here, in a nutshell.

Man, I need sleep.

Signing off now. See you guys in the morning.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:42
orz.

I just got the great idea of Kyon-ko, right before Yuuki busts in, making a comment about how ironic it is that the only guy to ever hit on her is about to gut her with a wakazashi.

Or something like that.

Creative inspiration will strike you when it needs to.

What will the idle banter with Yuuki be like before the two guys go head-to-head in an interface deathmatch?

panzerfan
2008-03-06, 02:43
Not any different than YUKI.N> with <gender>female</gender> selected... at least to me.
You'll wind up with that psudo-query.

Nagato unfortunately has other things to mourn about, such as how that he's... size wise, unable to compete against Asahina-san.

DJ_RockmanX
2008-03-06, 02:45
Not any different than YUKI.N> with <gender>female</gender> selected... at least to me.
You'll wind up with that psudo-query.

Well I'm talking more about Kyon-chan's reaction and thoughts and stuff. I'm sure there'll be a hilarious moment somewhere in there.

Edit: I'm gonna take off as well. Have fun.

Jintor
2008-03-06, 02:47
Right, pulling an editjob on Kaisos' stuff.

When did I stop believing in Santa Claus?

In truth, I can say that sort of question doesn't hold any real significance for me. But if you were to ask me when I stopped believing that the old man in the red costume was Santa, then I can confidently say I have never, ever believed in Santa Claus.

I knew that the Santa who appeared at my preschool Christmas party was a fraud; when I sat in his lap, I didn't feel the eyes of a kindly old man on me. In fact, it was a little creepy to be sitting in the lap of some random old guy and espousing your deepest wishes. I guess I was already wise enough to question the existence of an old man who worked only on Christmas.

It was a long time later, though, before I realised that aliens, time-travellers, magical girls, demons and espers like you see in crazy special-effects filled cartoons didn't exist either. No, wait... I probably did realise. I just didn't want to admit it. Deep inside my heart I wanted those aliens, time-travellers, magical girls, demons, espers, and evil organisations to suddenly pop up in front of me. The world of special effects and stories was way more exciting than my boring, ordinary life.

I wanted to live in that world, too! I wanted my life to be filled with excitement!

I wanted to be the one who got kidnapped by aliens and imprisoned in a giant bowl-like fortress. I wanted to be the one saved by the handsome prince and taken off to live in castles happily ever after. Or to be someone who could banish demons and monsters with a single spell, engage in psychic duels with evil espers and save my one true love from danger!

My rational mind noted that I didn't actually have any powers, and neither did anybody I know. But hang on... what if one day, a mysterious new student transfers to my class. Except he's really an alien, or from the future, or psychic or something. Then I'll make friends with him, and his enemies (sensing a weak spot) would come and kidnap me to force him to do something! Then he'd have to come and rescue me and I could just sit back and wait! That would be awesome!

Or, maybe, one day a mysterious power inside me awakens... like, telepathy or psychokenisis or something. And I'd discover that a lot of other people around the world would have similar powers, and then some sort of paranormal organization would come recruiting. I'd join up, get some sort of talking animal companion, and protect the world from evil demons and monsters!

...unfortunately, reality is rather cruel.

No magical prince came to sweep me off my feet. I've never seen a UFO. My dog never talked to me, even when I fed him alphabet soup. Two hours of intense staring at my pencil didn't make it move a single millimeter, and glaring at the back of my classmate's head didn't reveal her thoughts to me, either. The normality of the world was... depressing.

Eventually, I stopped searching the skies for UFOs and watching all those magical girl shows because I had finally convinced myself that weird stuff like that didn't exist. I even reached a point where eventually, all that was left was a certain sense of nostalgia for that old view of the world.

After I graduated from Junior High, I also left behind my childish dreams and became completely grounded in reality. Nothing happened in 1999, even though I kept hoping, just a bit, that something would; humanity hadn't returned to the moon or gone beyond it. I guessed I'd be long dead before you could book a round trip to Alpha Centauri.

And so, with these thoughts in the corner of my mind, I became a normal, carefree, Senior High-Schoolgirl.

Until the day...

Until the day I met Suzumiya Haruki.


Honestly Kaisos there isn't really that much to edit. Just some rearrangement of phrases and spacing, italics for emphasis maybe. If you don't like anything feel free to sandblast me.

dkellis
2008-03-06, 03:03
Meanwhile, on Kyon-chan: Can I have a short summary on her mental processing style?

Personally, I'm operating under the idea that she's a toned-down version of the people who post in Fandom Wank (http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/) (warning: bad language). If anything, she's likely to be more snarky than Male Kyon. After just under a decade in female-oriented fandoms, I have no illusions about women being "more gentle" when it comes to snark.

In short, Kyon-chan is going to be well-read, fairly intelligent, very snarky, and probably more willing to insult the others to their faces. She's also probably going to be harder to crack than Male Kyon, in the sense that while Male Kyon might be swayed by Yuki and definitely smitten with Mikuru, Kyon-chan would probably resist Yuuki and Mitsuru's charms significantly.

My primary problem with writing Kyon-chan (or Male Kyon, for that matter) is that while I get and undersand the vast majority of the science-fiction stuff he talks about, the Japanese culture/history/literature stuff I'm completely lost with. So I can easily pepper in references to Heinlein (not that I want to, mind) or Hofstadter, but Japanese naval victories would be beyond me.

Edit1: how can Kyon-ko agree to go to Yuki's apartment btw? He abduct her or something? Any1 have a suitable answer yet?

In my interpretation, Yuuki told Kyon-chan to. Kyon-chan decided to take a chance and trust that Yuuki would not do anything inappropriate, since he seemed completely uninterested in anything other than reading.

Typical male characters in anime are worthless, castrated snots like Yuji Sakai.

Sadly enough, I actually like Yuji Sakai as a character.

-

I'll be rewriting the Asakura-with-knife scene to be Asakura-with-sword, since that seems to be the new consensus. (Like I said, I have no problems with a sword per se, but I just need a reason why I should be writing it. If group consensus wants Asakura to assault Kyon-chan with a rabid weasel, that's what I'm writing.) While I'm at it, I might take a shot at the prologue as well.

I'm not going to be "competing" with Kaisos or anything, but just providing an alternate take.

Which reminds me of the topic I was going to raise last night:

I'm writing this genderswap fanfic in order to explore how the series would be different with the flip. This provides a certain tension between originality and faithfulness to the source: I should be writing in the style of the original canon as much as possible, but just copy-and-pasting whole chunks of the novels feels very wrong to me.

Where possible, I'll be erring on the side of originality. I'll read the novel translations, fix the events in my head, and then write my own version of it. If it doesn't quite match, well, mine is but one alternate interpretation of events.

I realize that I'm justifying myself a lot more than I probably should, but I'm not used to writing a fanfic in an environment which attempts to codify everything into a single "official" fanon.

Raijinken
2008-03-06, 03:05
Huh, just thought of something.

Alright, this is far off, but whatever, I want to see what everybody does to it.

I'm probably not as well read as the rest of you, but if I have my plot straight, somewhere along the line, Kyon wakes up in a world without Haruhi, where her existance seems to have been wiped out. And suddenly Itsuki, Mikuru and Yuki (Oh god, moe Yuki) are all normal.

And Yuki has become Kyon's aparent fantasy from what she's observed, an adorable moe girl who blushes and speaks softly and smiles small little smiles and you just want to squeeze her and never let go and...

*Ahem* (Files away mental pictures for future observation)

Point is, what would Kyo-loli (Lawlz) want in a man? Yuki became what she would believe Kyon would want, so it stands to reason that Yuuki would do the same.

I don't think that Kyonko would like the same sort of fantasy her male half would, considering the romantically indifferent attitude she's going to have toward Mitsuru.

Chances are strong and silent. Perhaps cool and witty, or something like that. Moreover it could possibly be related to the fetish that might or might not had been decided earlier. I think I recall asking that question myself, but I don't know if an answer got there, because somewhere inbetween that post and my work shift, there was like three or four new pages and I don't have a lot of time left before I tuck in for snoozer time.

For Yuuki inspiration... maybe everybody should have a round of Ouran?

dkellis
2008-03-06, 03:24
Point is, what would Kyo-loli (Lawlz) want in a man?

Someone who's interested in her, probably.

Yuki's aloofness became shyness, and suddenly the dynamics changed. If Yuuki went through the same alterations, I'm thinking that it would fit about as well.

Jintor
2008-03-06, 03:40
dkellis: I share your pain.

GDOG
2008-03-06, 03:50
Hmm, this idea has intrigued and scared me both, but everyone here is doing a great job with it, so I've found myself drawn up into everything as well. And since I'm barely in time for it (and since I don't think I've seen it here before):

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z261/grahf616/1192776247170.jpg

Pretty fitting for the elder version of male Mikuru I think. Also, I could be going out on a limb here, but I imagine a personality that is a little like Kaji from Evangelion: the joker with a heart of gold, a guy that while never seeming to be serious except on very rare and dire occasions, has a heart of gold and always wants the best for the people he cares about.

Bean Bandit
2008-03-06, 04:05
A suggestion for the Computer Club Scene:

If we're having an all female computer club, then I don't think a direct translation will work. Feeding Mitsuru to the (She) Wolves doesn't read quite the same with the genders flipped. And, while I applaud the decision to stick as close to the original scene as possible, scenes like this need to be reimagined, In my opinion.

Consider the motivation. Haruki needs blackmail material to get what he wants (Namely, a computer). What would an all female computer club be afraid of?

Well, One presumes that these are hyper-intellectual, and not terribly popular girls (Something of a stereotype, but bear with me.) Only the club president even has a boyfriend, right? Their social standing is pretty low. Having pictures of them molesting a boy...even a pretty one, might actually make them MORE popular in certain circles. (Some guys like that kind of thing.)

I guess what I'm suggesting here is...instead of Mitsuru, Have Haruki set up Kyon-chan as the victim. Kyon will look appropriately upset (I can't imagine Mitsuru being too terribly put out by having girls touching him, rather than Haruki doing the molesting) And the Computer Club will be horrified at the prospect of the boys avoiding the Lesbian Rapist Computer Club like the plague.

Alternatively, if we still want Mitsuru in the role of Victim, He must be crossdressed. It simply doesn't pack any weight as blackmail material without something that would really scare off boys. (The Computer Club has a hard enough time catching the eye of the opposite sex without that hanging over their heads)

Dammit, I've been resisting the urge to try my hand at some artwork (It's hard not to be intimidated by the quality stuff we're getting) but I really wanna try drawing Kyon-chan...

Shinn87
2008-03-06, 04:19
http://atalude.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/asakura-syuugeki1.jpg
http://atalude.wordpress.com/files/2008/03/asakura-syuugeki2.jpg

Serious business Ryo is serious.

Keroko
2008-03-06, 04:28
I'll also list the names on the top post as well. The only one we haven't really come to agreement on is Kyon-ko.

I'm personally against leaving it as 'Kyon' or simply 'Kyon-chan.' Like Dkellis said, its a wise idea to have the names be different to avoid confusion between the two. Every time someone writes Kyon I automatically think of the guy, not the girl. Kyon may be a nickname of itself, but its all how we know the guy best, it's virtually his real name to us.

The reason I'm not to fond of Kyon-chan is because sufixes themselves can be used for comical or logical events, which would mean she could get the -kun suffix attached, which would double confusion. Not to mention that some characters don't use sufixes at all, leaving us with the confusion mentioned above.

So yeah, I'm still voting for Kyonko. It's clear whom the original is, and there is no threat of suffix confusion.

wow this thread was made less than a week ago and its already so popular o.o .

THIS TOPIC IS TOO FAST.

SLOOOW DOOWN.

(But then it's all like "SCREW YOU!" and kick you in the face with its ENERGY LEGS!)

And we have 400 posts in 4 days! :twitch: :twitch:

If that's not the description of hot, I don't know what is! :D

Yes, keep this up and it may catch up to the biggest thread on animesuki (which currently stands on 21480 posts :p)

- Something tells me Kyon-chan's gonna have a harder time resisting Haruki than Kyon does with Haruhi. But she'll try her best!

With the higher amount of romantic innuendo, that's bound to happen.

- I'm torn between how we should divvy up maid duties. Asahina's still the prime candidate, but Kyon-chan looks so good in the maid outfit, and I've seen Itsuki-chan cosplay raping Kyon-chan already.

I don't see a reason why Haruki wouldn't force both Mitsuru and Kyonko into maid outfits. Although we do need a good reason for Kyonko to actually agree wearing them.

What is the plan with the Computer Club? Force them to grab "Down there" on Misuuru?

A suggestion for the Computer Club Scene:

If we're having an all female computer club, then I don't think a direct translation will work. Feeding Mitsuru to the (She) Wolves doesn't read quite the same with the genders flipped. And, while I applaud the decision to stick as close to the original scene as possible, scenes like this need to be reimagined, In my opinion.

Consider the motivation. Haruki needs blackmail material to get what he wants (Namely, a computer). What would an all female computer club be afraid of?

Well, One presumes that these are hyper-intellectual, and not terribly popular girls (Something of a stereotype, but bear with me.) Only the club president even has a boyfriend, right? Their social standing is pretty low. Having pictures of them molesting a boy...even a pretty one, might actually make them MORE popular in certain circles. (Some guys like that kind of thing.)

I guess what I'm suggesting here is...instead of Mitsuru, Have Haruki set up Kyon-chan as the victim. Kyon will look appropriately upset (I can't imagine Mitsuru being too terribly put out by having girls touching him, rather than Haruki doing the molesting) And the Computer Club will be horrified at the prospect of the boys avoiding the Lesbian Rapist Computer Club like the plague.

Alternatively, if we still want Mitsuru in the role of Victim, He must be crossdressed. It simply doesn't pack any weight as blackmail material without something that would really scare off boys. (The Computer Club has a hard enough time catching the eye of the opposite sex without that hanging over their heads)

Dammit, I've been resisting the urge to try my hand at some artwork (It's hard not to be intimidated by the quality stuff we're getting) but I really wanna try drawing Kyon-chan...

If I recall, even the president didn't have a grilfriend, Kyon suspected that it was all a setup by Yuki (at least in the anime).

To have the president grab Mitsuru down there sounds like a good start. Afterwards, Haruki can still kick the president so she lands on top of Mitsuru. Girl or guy, sexual harassment is still sexual harassment, and with someone as meek as Mitsuru being the victim, vote of confidence will most likely sway in Haruki's favor.

Kang Seung Jae
2008-03-06, 04:32
http://atalude.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/asakura-syuugeki1.jpg
http://atalude.wordpress.com/files/2008/03/asakura-syuugeki2.jpg

Serious business Ryo is serious.

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That's very serious.... and I love it >_>


Thanks for the translation. Now to use it for the Korean market.

LobsterHime
2008-03-06, 04:39
i made this late last night but didnt have an account here to post about it.

http://wiki.sos-dan.com/wiki/The_Genderbending_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya

its very basic and incomplete even when the thread only had 16 pages last night but i hope more editors can expand upon that. currently images can't be uploaded otherwise i would have posted character pics and the translated 4koma, etc.

dkellis
2008-03-06, 04:47
Well, One presumes that these are hyper-intellectual, and not terribly popular girls (Something of a stereotype, but bear with me.) Only the club president even has a boyfriend, right? Their social standing is pretty low. Having pictures of them molesting a boy...even a pretty one, might actually make them MORE popular in certain circles. (Some guys like that kind of thing.)

I guess what I'm suggesting here is...instead of Mitsuru, Have Haruki set up Kyon-chan as the victim. Kyon will look appropriately upset (I can't imagine Mitsuru being too terribly put out by having girls touching him, rather than Haruki doing the molesting) And the Computer Club will be horrified at the prospect of the boys avoiding the Lesbian Rapist Computer Club like the plague.

Alternatively, if we still want Mitsuru in the role of Victim, He must be crossdressed. It simply doesn't pack any weight as blackmail material without something that would really scare off boys. (The Computer Club has a hard enough time catching the eye of the opposite sex without that hanging over their heads)

I'm not sure if "Lesbian Rapist Computer Club" is going to be that much of blackmail material. I mean, look at the responses in general to Haruhi's domination of Mikuru. The Fujoshi Computer Club are going to be scorned for their interests anyway, so it's going to take a lot more than that to surpass that.

I don't know how to deal with this myself. I'm leaning more towards a bribe rather than blackmail, with the Computer Club members regretting the trade soon afterwards, but I'm not sure how that would work.

On another note, how powerful does a computer need to be for graphics work like doujin-making?

Bean Bandit
2008-03-06, 05:04
Ah, curse this thread. Muse won't settle down. :heh:

Well, I imagine I'm just embarrassing myself (I really don't practice enough to have any kind of pride-Even as I look at this now, I'm noticing more and more mistakes.) But even if it's just to contribute somehow, I'll toss it in.

Please be gentle. :heh:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2vadu78.jpg