The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Kaisos Erranon]

"Well that's just Prime."...
:p

God that show was awesome.

[AerialAce!]

21 pages in I ran into this:

And we have 400 posts in 4 days! :twitch: :twitch:

If that's not the description of hot, I don't know what is! :D

and realized what an extraordinarily long way I have to go.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Don't worry, once the novelty starts to wear off the thread slows down.

[DannyCat]

And yet, while it's not fresh and new, it's still as cool as it was nearly 11 months ago.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/50/2817752og5.jpg

[otai]

Which one now?
There's more than one? Well, I was referring to sonicspins'.


Find me an artist who's willing to work for less than peanuts. Then we'll talk.

Damn Area 11 for hoarding the worlds' supply of starving doujin artists! In only the Emperor would occupy the area...

Don't worry, once the novelty starts to wear off the thread slows down.

To think that at one point we thought this thread would exceed Outer Cadia.

[DJ_RockmanX]

And yet, while it's not fresh and new, it's still as cool as it was nearly 11 months ago.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/50/2817752og5.jpg

That's probably exactly what the True End looks like.

There's more than one? Well, I was referring to sonicspins'.

I should ask him if he's still working on that.


Damn Area 11 for hoarding the worlds' supply of starving doujin artists! In only the Emperor would occupy the area...

Hence why doing things is so difficult.

To think that at one point we thought this thread would exceed Outer Cadia.

Their CRACK is self sustaining. Ours needs a fresh supply, otherwise we stagnate. Like now for instance.

But we still did pretty good didn't we? :heh:

[otai]

But we still did pretty good didn't we? :heh:

Well, despite the lack of a final FINAL edit job, we did finish Volume 1. That puts us on par with Kyoani's efforts. Tanigawa has taken more than a year for Volume 10, so nobody can say our pace is that bad either. :eyespin:

Maybe you could post something like a developer's diary for the VN here? Just to keep things rolling.

[Cat Megex]

Well, despite the lack of a final FINAL edit job, we did finish Volume 1. That puts us on par with Kyoani's efforts. Tanigawa has taken more than a year for Volume 10, so nobody can say our pace is that bad either. :eyespin:

Maybe you could post something like a developer's diary for the VN here? Just to keep things rolling.

Or we could create a blog for it, like what Katawa Shoujo has.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Blog would be nice, yeah.

[dkellis]

After the last flamewar we had on Stuff That Was Already Decided, I started working on a FAQ of sorts for this. It kind of fizzled out when I realized that we covered such a wide range of topics that I had to split it up into multiple parts for readability/convenience, or just answer "read the entire damn thread" for everything.

Maybe I should get back to work on that. A kind of summary of everything we've talked about.

[Solafighter]

And yet, while it's not fresh and new, it's still as cool as it was nearly 11 months ago.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/50/2817752og5.jpg

This picture is just to cute... ~~~ :)

This smile... :smile:

[AerialAce!]

And yet, while it's not fresh and new, it's still as cool as it was nearly 11 months ago.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/50/2817752og5.jpg
That is too adorable. Instant addition to my awkwardly named new genderswap folder, and possibly my next desktop collage (I can never decide on a single image...)

Come to think of it, I should probably rename that folder. No telling when the next time somebody needs my laptop will be.
After the last flamewar we had on Stuff That Was Already Decided, I started working on a FAQ of sorts for this. It kind of fizzled out when I realized that we covered such a wide range of topics that I had to split it up into multiple parts for readability/convenience, or just answer "read the entire damn thread" for everything.

Maybe I should get back to work on that. A kind of summary of everything we've talked about.
I wholeheartedly support this idea--though I may go through with reading the entire thread regardless. It's actually pretty fun at this point.

[beanbrew]

I seem to recall one as well that was taking the slider side of things. With you and several Key/Lucky Star characters acting as the sliders. Fuuko seemed to be the main interaction early on.

...Wait what? Who?

Their CRACK is self sustaining. Ours needs a fresh supply, otherwise we stagnate. Like now for instance.

Maybe we should declare war on them and seize their CRACK. Turnabout is fair play.

Come to think of it, I should probably rename that folder. No telling when the next time somebody needs my laptop will be.

Or you could just stare at them and declare that no one's touching your <insert name of laptop here>. Bonus points for explaining that she's shy and doesn't really like being touched by other people.

[HikariNiwa]

If only I could draw... *sobs*.

I think i'll ask the members of the anime club I am in to see of any of them are interested in drawing. Not sure what they will think about drawing hentai, and for free for that matter, but I'll ask just in case. Hopefully I'll remember. I just hope some of them have actually watched the original show and know about Kyonko. The most I can probably expect to get are a few yaoi pics... or just regular drawings. The club mainly consists of fangirls, some guys, and a few who have watched Haruhi but I don't expect much out of them.

On another note, when I get a new laptop, what do you think I should name her Beanbag-san?

[Ithekro]

Originally Posted by Ithekro http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.style/default/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2173358#post2173358)
I seem to recall one as well that was taking the slider side of things. With you and several Key/Lucky Star characters acting as the sliders. Fuuko seemed to be the main interaction early on.
...Wait what? Who?

You as in the VN's player. I think is was Tunafishisgood's project.

[beanbrew]

On another note, when I get a new laptop, what do you think I should name her Beanbag-san?

Search your feelings. In your heart you will find a name you know to be true. But "Rin" is taken.

You as in the VN's player. I think is was Tunafishisgood's project.

And JDGBOLT's.

[Cat Megex]

Search your feelings. In your heart you will find a name you know to be true. But "Rin" is taken.

Mmm...Star Wars-y.

[beanbrew]

Mmm...Star Wars-y.

There are no midichlorians! Not that I really care; I just like denying their existence.

[AerialAce!]

Maybe we should declare war on them and seize their CRACK. Turnabout is fair play.
Seconded.

Or you could just stare at them and declare that no one's touching your <insert name of laptop here>. Bonus points for explaining that she's shy and doesn't really like being touched by other people.
That is absolutely brilliant. *goes to come up with a feminine name for the computer to back up the response*

There are no midichlorians! Not that I really care; I just like denying their existence.
Meh. I prefer psuedoscience to the vague "space magic" answer, but if there's a better explanation I'd jump on that rather than the bacteria thing.

EDIT: Oh, about 50 pages in now. Still a long way to go, but it's progress.

[Ithekro]

Off-topic: The "bacteria thing" is not the the source...just the means of communications with the "space magic". The more you have, the better you can "hear" it.

[beanbrew]

Probably time to get back ontopic. This should help:

http://s3.supload.com/files/default/1206493070354ed7.JPG

[AerialAce!]

Probably time to get back ontopic. This should help:

*snip*

Keep that up and offtopic...ness will never become an issue.
pose and expression seem a bit unnatural, but it's still cute. Like the loose sock.

I should really find other threads to post in. Guess I'll get some work done first, though.

[Gordy Lechance]

Yowza what a looker!!

[Ithekro]

In a months time or so, we may find out just how much KyoAni is paying attention to the various fandoms. Though I imagine the Haruhi-chan series will stay more or less as a 4koma adaptation...you never know. Also I've not seen all that many of the 4koma's themselves.

They could always slip in Kyon-chan...wouldn't be the first time they acknowledged a fanwork in show.

[beanbrew]

But it will be the awesome....-est time. Or something.

[shaoron]

so hey! how's everyone? how goes t3h project?

[DJ_RockmanX]

- Long time no see.

- Main project's pretty dead right now.

[HikariNiwa]

Search your feelings. In your heart you will find a name you know to be true. But "Rin" is taken.



After a bit of "searching" I thought of two names. Ilya and Tomoyo. The inspiration is rather obvious.

[besieger]

Yes... White hair beaus, both of them are.

[beanbrew]

Haha. I'd go with Ilya mainly because mine is named Rin. And Tomoyo's breasts are too large for my taste. (I just try to ignore the breasts. Not the rest of her.)

[Don't press enter]

Hah, maybe we should try converting other series?

Because it really looks like we're bored with this one.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Alrighty. Time for some spoiler tags.
Prologue 01: Day 4, Kyon’s POV

- An Attractive New Face (Itsuko)
o “Hi there.” [Late for Class, Itsuko +1]
o “I’m gonna be late for class.” [Shoe Locker Dispute]

- Shoe Locker Dispute (Kyonko)
o “I’m claiming what is mine.” [Shoe Supply 2]
o “Just take my damn shoes!” [Tripping Up, Missing Shoes, Kyonko +2]
o “My shoes are way too big for you. Steal someone else’s instead.” [Tsuruya Hijack Trigger +1, Kyonko +1]

- If “Just take my damn shoes!” Then Tripping Up.

- If “Hi there” then Late For Class. [Missing Shoes]

- Class, As Usual 1 (Is someone outside watching us?)

-----

Prologue 02: Kyonko’s POV

- Peering In (Kyonko watches and is taken away by Itsuko)

- Meeting in the Stairwell (Seitenkan minus Haruki)

-----

Prologue 03: Kyon’s POV

- Class, As Usual 2 (Ding, Dong, Dang, Dong)

- No Brigade Meeting? (Haruhi strangely cancels activities)

- [FLAG CHECK]
o If “Hi there.” or “Just take my damn shoes!” Then Missing Shoes and Shoe Supply 1.
o If “I’m claiming what is mine.” Then Shoe Supply 2.
o If “My shoes are way too big for you. Steal someone else’s instead.” AND [ALL ROUTES CLEAR] AND [Tsuruya Hijack Trigger = 7] Then OPTION A Familiar Laugh.


- Missing Shoes (Kyon grumbles about being in socks)

- Shoe Supply 1 (Kyonko and Itsuko are overheard talking about “home”)
o [Walking Home Alone]

- Shoe Supply 2 (Kyonko)
o “Um, listen, sorry about earlier.” [Kyonko +1]
o “I’ll just let her be.” [Walking Home Alone]
o “She’s my sister. Can you please just give her new shoes?” [Kyonko +2, Walking Home 1]
o “Sorry, that’s just your problem.” [Kyonko –1, Walking Home Alone]

- A Familiar Laugh (Tsuruya)
o “You’re as energetic as always, Tsuruya-san.” [Tsuruya + 1, Walking Home 2]
o “Dangerous situations should be left alone.” [Walking Home Alone]

- Walking Home 1 (Kyon and Kyonko walk home together)

- Walking Home 2 (Kyon and Tsuruya walk home together)
o “Yeah, your hair would look good like that. Yeah.” [Tsuruya + 1, Imagine Spot 3]
o “I think you look nice right now…” [Tsuruya +2]
o “…Ever considered a haircut?”

- Walking Home Alone (Kyon muses about his lack of a girlfriend)

- Home, Dinner, Manga, and Bed (A usual evening for Kyon. He goes to bed after reading a manga about parallel universes.)

-----

Prologue 04: Kyonko’s POV

- Walking the Streets, Scary Night (Kyonko muses about how she has no place to sleep, and wanders to the usual meeting place by the station, meeting the rest of the Seitenkan Brigade in the same boat.)
- Itsuko Pillow (Kyonko and the others wonder some more about getting home. Kyonko is more concerned with looking like a “street person”.)

DAY 4 END
-First, italicized titles indicated scenes only accessible by triggering certain events.
-This will make more sense in flowchart form.

-Second, “Imagine Spots” are events similar to Chaos;HEAd’s Delusional Triggers system.
-They’re simply Kyon’s overactive imagination showing him something.
-On this day, it’s Tsuruya in a black bikini and a ponytail.
-There is at least one each day.
-These WILL get more violent as the story gets darker.

-Finally, an order of route preference system has been established.
-It goes Kyonko > Haruhi > Yuki > Mikuru > Itsuko.
-Essentially, if you have equal points with less than all of them, the route you get goes in that preference order.
-Example: If Kyonko and Yuki have equal points, you get the Kyonko route.
-Additional Notation: If you have exactly equal points with all the girls, Bad End Route 2: Burly Brawl is triggered.
-Additional Additional Notation: If you have no points with any girls, Bad End Route 1: End of the World is triggered.Questions, comments, criticisms, and everyone's thoughts in general please. :cool:

@DPE: Welcome back. We're messing around with different stuff. See above for more details. :p

[Cat Megex]

tl;dr

Skipping all the way to day 4?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Yep. It's the first day that actually has the Seitenkan Brigade stuck in Haruhi's world.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It's mostly to see people's opinions.

We'll think up the first 3 days pretty soon. Right, Danchou?

[DJ_RockmanX]

It's mostly to see people's opinions.

We'll think up the first 3 days pretty soon. Right, Danchou?

Day 1 - Relatively normal day for the two SOS groups. Kyon scores points with Haruhi, Yuki, or Mikuru.

Day 2 - More focused on the Seitenkan perspective, Kyonko and Mitsuru slip into Haruhi's world, then return later in the day. They don't notice this however, due to the period of overlap being too short. Kyon continues to flirt.

Day 3 - Itsuko and Yuuki cross over this time, and their disappearance is noted due to their extended absence. They take note, and anticipate what may be happening, but still don't expect the worst case scenario that occurs the following day. Kyon's final day to score points.

This sound alright?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Yeah, sounds about right.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

The obvious problem being that anyone trying to honestly play Kyon's role would be forced to focus most of the attention on Mikuru...

[Kaisos Erranon]

Not entirely true.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

When I said that, I meant strictly for the "flirting" part during the first three days.

Since they're meant to be the usual day-to-day routine(IE: when Haruhi is bored and can't think of anything to do), Mikuru would almost be guaranteed a third of Kyon's attention, while the remainder would be him complaining about either Haruhi's probable grumpiness or Itsuki in general; neither of which I'd consider "flirting."

*e* Plus there's the fact that Mikuru's on the bottom of the priority list at this point. :heh:

[Ithekro]

Kyon-chan's pleading eyes still work on 4chan.
Also the 5s were nice. :p

[HikariNiwa]

Haha. I'd go with Ilya mainly because mine is named Rin. And Tomoyo's breasts are too large for my taste. (I just try to ignore the breasts. Not the rest of her.)

In regards to Tomoyo, her breasts are needed or else her body won't look proportional.

[Kaisos Erranon]

When I said that, I meant strictly for the "flirting" part during the first three days.

Since they're meant to be the usual day-to-day routine(IE: when Haruhi is bored and can't think of anything to do), Mikuru would almost be guaranteed a third of Kyon's attention, while the remainder would be him complaining about either Haruhi's probable grumpiness or Itsuki in general; neither of which I'd consider "flirting."

And that is why it is entirely up to the player.

Mikuru points are the easiest to get during the first 3 days.

[beanbrew]

I think we need an Itsuki route. Or at least an H-scene with Itsuki and Kyon. Might as well throw in some Kyonko x Itsuko fanservice as well... Or Kyonko x Haruhi... Or I just need to stop fantasizing.

@Kaisos: That's a nostalgic avatar.

[CrowKenobi]

I think we need an Itsuki route. Or at least an H-scene with Itsuki and Kyon. Might as well throw in some Kyonko x Itsuko fanservice as well... Or Kyonko x Haruhi... Or I just need to stop fantasizing.I'd say NO to an Itsuki and Kyon H-scene... Itsuko and Kyon on the other hand... :naughty:

:cool:

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Well we gotta have something for the yaoi fangirls... don't we? :heh:


Also... I'd prefer Itsuki x Kyonko to Kyon x Itsuko... what?

[ijuinkun]

I would think that Kyon developing feelings of attraction to Itsuko would have him berating himself over the realization that he is falling for somebody who is pretty much Itsuki as a girl--a sort of "stupid sexy Flanders" moment.

[beanbrew]

In regards to Tomoyo, her breasts are needed or else her body won't look proportional.

Yeah, I know. It's me, not her.:(

I would think that Kyon developing feelings of attraction to Itsuko would have him berating himself over the realization that he is falling for somebody who is pretty much Itsuki as a girl--a sort of "stupid sexy Flanders" moment.

Kyon, Itsuki, Itsuko 3P? That's what you made me think of just now.

[DannyCat]

I'd say NO to an Itsuki and Kyon H-scene...Could have meant the 一姫 Itsuki instead of the 一樹 Itsuki.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Could have meant the 一姫 Itsuki instead of the 一樹 Itsuki.

I'm pretty sure he meant male Koizumi.

I think we need an Itsuki route. Or at least an H-scene with Itsuki and Kyon. Might as well throw in some Kyonko x Itsuko fanservice as well... Or Kyonko x Haruhi... Or I just need to stop fantasizing.

@Kaisos: That's a nostalgic avatar.

For Kyonko x Itsuko fanservice, I think you missed my titling one scene "Itsuko Pillow".

We're not doing an Itsuki route, no. We already have the Esper Route for developing his character.

And yeah, I figured I needed a permanent avatar and that was the only one I could think of...

Well we gotta have something for the yaoi fangirls... don't we? :heh:

No. No we don't.

I would think that Kyon developing feelings of attraction to Itsuko would have him berating himself over the realization that he is falling for somebody who is pretty much Itsuki as a girl--a sort of "stupid sexy Flanders" moment.

Yes. Yes. You're getting it. Excellent. Although I would not describe Kyon's feelings in terms of "falling for"... more like "lusting after".

That's what I need to title that H-scene... "Carnal Desire". Yes. Wahaha.

[Jintor]

Hey boss.

I got some spare time. Give me something to do.

[Kaisos Erranon]

hey boss.

I got some spare time. Give me something to do.

WHOA!


...



You're alive!

[DannyCat]

I've been pondering this; what would be a good method, plot-wise, for transporting Seitenkan characters to classic universe and/or vice-versa? Something that makes sense but isn't too contrived or overdone.

[HikariNiwa]

Yeah, I know. It's me, not her.:(

Don't worry Beanbag-san, I understand where your interests lie. I had also stated where my interets lie quite some time ago I believe.


Kyon, Itsuki, Itsuko 3P? That's what you made me think of just now.

This is relevant to my interests.

I've been pondering this; what would be a good method, plot-wise, for transporting Seitenkan characters to classic universe and/or vice-versa? Something that makes sense but isn't too contrived or overdone.

Intersection of Closed Space?

[CrowKenobi]

I've been pondering this; what would be a good method, plot-wise, for transporting Seitenkan characters to classic universe and/or vice-versa? Something that makes sense but isn't too contrived or overdone.With Haruhi/Haruki involved, I think just walking through a door frame would do the trick! :D

:cool:

[dkellis]

I've been pondering this; what would be a good method, plot-wise, for transporting Seitenkan characters to classic universe and/or vice-versa? Something that makes sense but isn't too contrived or overdone.

Thinking aloud here.

Let's see... the crossover is obviously instigated by either or both Suzumiyas, so we have to assume that their motives are the most important ones. The first thing I can think of offhand is a case where, say, Haruhi wants to have someone like Kyon to talk to, but female, for Girl Talk and such. Presumably Haruki would think the same re: Kyonko, except for Guy Talk.

Now, this would usually not lead to anything untoward, except that Kyon(ko) happened to let slip something; a careless remark, which sparks another cascade of imagination in Haruhi/ki's brain. Stuff like "Everyone is unique, so you could look all over the world and not find anyone else exactly like me", except that this seems a bit too idealistic for Kyon(ko). Basically, it has to make Suzumiya want to have the genderswapped versions present, without the newcomers replacing the originals (from whichever vantage point). There are some problems with this which I'll cover later.

In any case, for whatever reason, Haruhi/ki merges the worlds. I say "merge" because from the style of the series, apart from the craziness of Closed Space, when weird stuff happens due to Suzumiya's interference, it happens without fanfare or attention. Therefore, from the in-universe observation point, there would be no practical difference from, say, Kyonko crossing to a universe with Kyon in it, to Kyonko's universe being merged with Kyon's. One would assume that for something this large-scale, Haruhi/ki would have had some sort of justification, like having Kyonko and Kyon be (remarkably identical) siblings or some such.

However, I cannot believe that Suzumiya will be doubling the world's population, or even the local townspeople. In fact, I strongly suspect that apart from the SOS Brigade and maybe some of the hangers-on (Taniguchi, Kunikida, Tsuruya, Imouto/Otouto, computer club president), everyone else will be randomized, based on what Suzumiya thinks is "more interesting", which is more likely simply along the lines of "don't bother me with the details".

Tangentially, this brings up some interesting implications about Male-Taniguchi being Good Friends with Female-Kunikida, or some such. But I digress.

So. Since Tanigawa is well-read in all sorts of Deep Theory when it comes to concepts that skirt the line between science and science fiction, he gets an advantage in jargoning his way past how Suzumiya is doing all of the weirdness. Us peons have to either bone up on it ourselves, or fake it. In the case of the Seitenkan/Canon merge, I might try handwaving something about Everett's Many Worlds Interpretation theory of quantum mechanics (it's the one which lots of SF writers use when doing the whole Alternate Dimension thing), even though it doesn't actually work if one looks closely at the specifics. This one really has to rely on the bovine-excrement-slinging expertise of the writers, since Koizumi (either one) has to explain the damn thing to Kyon(ko). It's a tradition by now.

From the point of view of Kyonko, she goes to sleep one night, and wakes up the next in a completely different world, and only the usual four-fifths (now eight-tenths) of the SOS Brigade know that it's different, due to the bit mentioned in Mysterique Sign about the Brigade HQ being all Special for its regulars. Both Suzumiyas seem oblivious to the changes they wrought: Haruhi seems to have some sort of personal weirdness filter which prevents her from seeing her handiwork, and I imagine Haruki is no different. They would be just as clueless as, say, Taniguchi. (Leaving aside wild story guesses about how much any given character really knows about events.) It might be something like how Disappearance began, even though that one was Yuki-instigated rather than Haruhi-caused.

This is all assuming that both Suzumiyas have their "let's see genderswapping!" ideas at the same time; we operate under the assumption that Haruhi and Haruki are evenly matched in terms of power, and exert their beliefs upon the world in roughly the same way. We could say that one Suzumiya beat the other to the draw, and so the four-fifths of the SOS Brigade from the Other Dimension would find themselves in what the rest consider the Real World. This would lead to a lot of angsting about which one is more Real, especially since I assume that Disappearance has already happened, and so Kyon(ko) have encountered the World Sans Suzumiya.

Come to think of it, in Disappearance only Kyon knew about the changes, while the rest of the SOS Brigade were oblivious. This could be due to Yuki's interference; when Haruhi does stuff, the rest of the SOS Brigade know about it. This does bring up the possibility that the Seitenkan/Canon merge could have been caused by another power: candidates include Sakaki, Kuyoh, and either Nagato, although we would then have to come up with reasons for them to want to merge the worlds. There is even an outside chance that a time-traveller could have intercepted Haruhi/ki Three Years Ago and casually mentioned something (with carefully-chosen words) which made them remake the world into one where Kyon and Kyonko both exist together, but I doubt it; it seems like too much reliance on odd plot contortions.

Also, until Tanigawa resolves the volume 9 cliffhanger, any slider-empowered characters would have to be original.

[Joe4evr]

Hello, again here's someone who signed up for this (insanely awesome) thread. And I've spent the better part of nearly 2 weeks reading it.

*Ahem*

That's a really great idea you guys have now. And if it's not too much trouble, could you possibly put in this (http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/Joe4evr/random/c77dc7e9.png) as an ending?

[DannyCat]

The merged cast idea that keeps coming to mind is that the rest of the SOS-dan is trying to prevent Haruhi/Haruki from meeting their alternate self face-to-face, for worry of what would happen if they did.

[Cat Megex]

*snip*

WELCOME. YOU SHALL SERVE AS KYONKO AND YUUKI'S LOOKOUT. SERVE THEM WELL!




<<decapitalization protection>>

[Kaisos Erranon]

*snip*

Oh boy.

Well now. Let's try to explain mine and Danchou's idea for the visnovel plot.

Let's see.

a) Neither Haruki nor Haruhi have anything to do with the Seitenkan brigade "sliding" over. The people behind that are mostly unrelated, although they are not original characters.

b) Only the Seitenkan brigade slide over, and, at first, only the four of them, minus Haruki, are stuck there. When Haruki does eventually slide over, his own universe collapses into near-nonexistence, as its "god" is no longer inside it. It basically becomes a quantum singularity, (I think I'm using that term correctly) although its existence is still rapidly becoming a threat to the real universe, as Kyon will eventually discover.

c) The Seitenkan universe, and its inhabitants, are the result of Haruhi randomly wondering one day what it would be like if everyone was the opposite gender, then dismissing that idea as stupid. This, in turn, creates the Seitenkan universe. To this effect, the Seitenkan Brigade are not real, they are "derived existences", and this forms the backbone of a lot of the plot.

d) As Haruki/Haruhi is not behind this slight merger, there is absolutely no justification for the Seitenkan Brigade being in the real universe. As such, they have nowhere to sleep, at first. Furthermore, after Haruki slides over, he no longer has his powers, (as they're keyed to his own universe) which is why the Seitenkan Brigade eventually decide to inform him of the truth. Haruhi, however, must be kept in the dark.

e) This takes place in September, the only month where nothing happens. As a result, the November/December stories have not yet occurred, and so, Haruhi is still rather a bitch and Kyon is still displeased with his own life.

f) Any changes to canon are basically voided by the True End, which I plan to make into an epic reset in order to fit the story into canon. This is justifiable simply because epic resets is exactly what the Harupowers DO.

g) Finally, my personal interpretation of Haruhi/Haruki's abilities is that they're simply very powerful Gigalomaniacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Head). Of course, that's just my interpretation and I'm not going to suggest we actually explain it like that. Heh.

The merged cast idea that keeps coming to mind is that the rest of the SOS-dan is trying to prevent Haruhi/Haruki from meeting their alternate self face-to-face, for worry of what would happen if they did.

As above, it's only really a danger if Haruhi finds out, in this setting.

Of course, that doesn't mean that Haruki won't try to get his powers back. And we know, thanks to Disappearance, that the power can be transferred between individuals...


That's a really great idea you guys have now. And if it's not too much trouble, could you possibly put in this (http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/Joe4evr/random/c77dc7e9.png) as an ending?

Kyon is the protagonist and player character most of the time, so... not really possible.

[swtrooper42]

While we're at it you might as well add another recruit to the cause.
I haven't posted before but I've been reading this thread ever since it was back in the 300s.

For some reason, this crossover makes me think of an amusing scene where Taniguchi hits on Kyonko, much to her horror.

[Kaisos Erranon]

For some reason, this crossover makes me think of an amusing scene where Taniguchi hits on Kyonko, much to her horror.

I do think I'll be doing this, though. Great idea.

Also, School Days was awesome.

[HikariNiwa]

I do think I'll be doing this, though. Great idea.

Also, School Days was awesome.

I loved the ending.

[Cat Megex]

*snip*

WELCOME. YOU SHALL SERVE TANIGUCHI(F) WELL.

I loved the ending.

Did you know that only three of the endings out of the 21 from the original game actually resulted in character death(s)?

[beanbrew]

That's a really great idea you guys have now. And if it's not too much trouble, could you possibly put in this (http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/Joe4evr/random/c77dc7e9.png) as an ending?

Didn't one of us generate that image? I seem to remember it from a few hundred pages back.

I loved the ending.

I did too, but I don't like the DVD version of the episode. The red blood just looks tacky, whearas the black blood is grim and serious.

Did you know that only three of the endings out of the 21 from the original game actually resulted in character death(s)?

And three or so result in a harem and one results in Setsuna having sex with Makoto while on the phone talking Sekai, if I remember correctly.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I loved the ending.

Yeah. It was awesome.

I consider the entire show to be art. Art, as in "This is why harem is a terrible and unrealistic genre, and you should feel terrible."


Did you know that only three of the endings out of the 21 from the original game actually resulted in character death(s)?

But those three are the only ones anyone really talks about. And really, are the only logical conclusion.


And three or so result in a harem and one results in Setsuna having sex with Makoto while on the phone talking Sekai, if I remember correctly.

Really? Damn, I wish the game was translated now.

[swtrooper42]

One results in Setsuna having sex with Makoto while on the phone talking Sekai, if I remember correctly.
Actually, that end is a little complicated. Apparently, Sekai's mom was going to be transfered or something to Paris and because Makoto had been fickle in his feelings before hand Sekai felt she had no reason to stay. So Setsuna and Makoto cooked up a plan to get Sekai to stay by having fake sex on the phone. Yeah..... not sure of the logic on that. There's probably more to it. So Sekai stays but in a twist of fate, Setsuna's mom takes the job instead and it ends with Setsuna saying goodbye at the airport (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnIiEKNRsU8). But it's on a happy note because Setsuna is satisfied that Sekai will be taken care of.

Also where my avatar is taken from.

Really? Damn, I wish the game was translated now.
Unfortunately the translation project (http://www.sekaiproject.net/) is currently stalled. Although they were currently on the alpha build for chapter 2 I think.

I liked School Days in phases as it got older. First for the drama and romance aspect, then for the hilariously bad writing (ok not that bad), and then finally for the nostalgia value.

The ending was good. Blood and NICE BOATs. What more could you want?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Yeah..... not sure of the logic on that.

This sentence could be used to describe the entirety of the anime.

[otai]

For some reason, this crossover makes me think of an amusing scene where Taniguchi hits on Kyonko, much to her horror.

This implies Kyonko ranks at least B+ on the T-scale...

[swtrooper42]

Kyonko has a least Yuki levels of moe. Making her an A- at minimum.

Taniguchi hitting on Kyonko reminds me of a strip from Real Life Comics where they visit alternate universes and Greg finds his alternate female self.
Hilarity Ensues (http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/021028.html).

[Kaisos Erranon]

Kyonko is A-rank, yeah.

[HikariNiwa]

Kyonko is A-rank, yeah.

That depends on who you ask though I suppose. But in general, I agree.

[Kaisos Erranon]

That depends on who you ask though I suppose. But in general, I agree.

I imagine Taniguchi telling Kyon about the two beautiful transfer students their school just got, and going on specificially about the little, cute one in the ponytail, and Kyon going "oh god".

As incredibly attractive as Itsuko is, I imagine Taniguchi, who seems oddly perceptive about women, recognizing how fake she is.

[swtrooper42]

*cough*Asakura*cough*

[Kaisos Erranon]

*cough*Asakura*cough*

That's actually how Asakura is though. But that's ALL to her personality.

Just Taniguchi doesn't pick up on the murderousness.

Itsuko is like an idol. Really. Really. Fake.

[swtrooper42]

Kinda like how in Toradora with Minorin and Ami?
"She's acting all innocent and but I don't detect anything innocent about her".

[Kaisos Erranon]

Kinda like how in Toradora with Minorin and Ami?
"She's acting all innocent and but I don't detect anything innocent about her".

Pretty much. Yeah.

Same with male!Koizumi. Really obviously fake personality.

[shaoron]

Kyonko is A-rank, yeah.

BULL****!!!!







Kyonko is A++

[Kaisos Erranon]

Kyonko is A++

She's too snarky and defiant to be an A++ to Taniguchi, if you ask me.

[Ithekro]

There is a qualifer for the T-scale. Knowing the girls full name.

Who here knows Kyon or Kyonko's name? Any of his or her names for that matter?

[Kaisos Erranon]

There is a qualifer for the T-scale. Knowing the girls full name.

Who here knows Kyon or Kyonko's name? Any of his or her names for that matter?

I thought that was a result of the T-scale. Sort of a "Oh, she's an A rank! I gotta get her full name! And phone number, if possible."

None of the readers know Kyon's full name, but nearly all of the characters do.

[dkellis]

a) Neither Haruki nor Haruhi have anything to do with the Seitenkan brigade "sliding" over. The people behind that are mostly unrelated, although they are not original characters.

For what it's worth, I consider any character that may have been mentioned in passing in the canon but not actually fleshed out as an original character.

Other than that, I'm looking forward to figuring out the answer to this particular ontological mystery: who's behind the sliding, and all that.

b) Only the Seitenkan brigade slide over, and, at first, only the four of them, minus Haruki, are stuck there. When Haruki does eventually slide over, his own universe collapses into near-nonexistence, as its "god" is no longer inside it. It basically becomes a quantum singularity, (I think I'm using that term correctly) although its existence is still rapidly becoming a threat to the real universe, as Kyon will eventually discover.

You mention "eventually". When the Seitenkan four-fifths slide over, do they disappear from the Seitenkan-verse? If so, what does Haruki think of the disappearance?

c) The Seitenkan universe, and its inhabitants, are the result of Haruhi randomly wondering one day what it would be like if everyone was the opposite gender, then dismissing that idea as stupid. This, in turn, creates the Seitenkan universe. To this effect, the Seitenkan Brigade are not real, they are "derived existences", and this forms the backbone of a lot of the plot.

It's a question of perspective, I think. During Disappearance, Kyon believes that Yuki's created world is the artificial one, and Haruhi's world is the real one. To everyone else, it would effectively be the other way around. I would say that the Seitenkan crew would believe that the Canon-verse is the artificial creation, no matter what we, as people outside the fic-verses, think.

And yes, I know that this takes place pre-Disappearance according to your timeline. The point still stands.

d) As Haruki/Haruhi is not behind this slight merger, there is absolutely no justification for the Seitenkan Brigade being in the real universe. As such, they have nowhere to sleep, at first. Furthermore, after Haruki slides over, he no longer has his powers, (as they're keyed to his own universe) which is why the Seitenkan Brigade eventually decide to inform him of the truth. Haruhi, however, must be kept in the dark.

I really, really don't like the idea of informing Haruki of the truth. (To be more specific, I don't like the idea of having Haruki know and believe the truth.) It goes against pretty much everything the series has done, and is likely to result in some sort of unpredictable behaviour. The Suzumiya mindset is stubborn, which is why Haruhi doesn't believe it when Kyon told her the truth. Haruki being told would be like being told that Everything You Know Is Wrong, in the worst possible way.

I honestly can't think of any other reaction from me to that plot point other than simply "No". The stakes are too high, and the implications are too serious, and it's out of character.

f) Any changes to canon are basically voided by the True End, which I plan to make into an epic reset in order to fit the story into canon. This is justifiable simply because epic resets is exactly what the Harupowers DO.

Be careful not to make it a story where the characters learn valuable life lessons and such, and then are completely wiped of them at the end. This is usually not welcome for readers. I know that the Suzumiya powers tend to reset the world's situations, but the SOS Brigade always remember.

[Kaisos Erranon]

For what it's worth, I consider any character that may have been mentioned in passing in the canon but not actually fleshed out as an original character.

Other than that, I'm looking forward to figuring out the answer to this particular ontological mystery: who's behind the sliding, and all that.

Said characters are fairly fleshed out by the original canon.



You mention "eventually". When the Seitenkan four-fifths slide over, do they disappear from the Seitenkan-verse? If so, what does Haruki think of the disappearance?

He's bloody confused. As are the various factions. Of course, their world is beginning to disappear...



It's a question of perspective, I think. During Disappearance, Kyon believes that Yuki's created world is the artificial one, and Haruhi's world is the real one. To everyone else, it would effectively be the other way around. I would say that the Seitenkan crew would believe that the Canon-verse is the artificial creation, no matter what we, as people outside the fic-verses, think.

The Seitenkan Brigade are presented with effectively incontrovertible proof that they and their universe are derivatives, on Day 8. What this is, I have yet to really decide. :heh:

Due to a combination of the interference of said characters behind everything and the emotional shock, one of them goes kinda nuts. Interestingly, the person who goes kinda nuts is the opposite of the girl Kyon (the player) has paid the most attention to over the previous 7 days, excepting Kyonko and Itsuko.


I really, really don't like the idea of informing Haruki of the truth. (To be more specific, I don't like the idea of having Haruki know and believe the truth.) It goes against pretty much everything the series has done, and is likely to result in some sort of unpredictable behaviour. The Suzumiya mindset is stubborn, which is why Haruhi doesn't believe it when Kyon told her the truth. Haruki being told would be like being told that Everything You Know Is Wrong, in the worst possible way.

I disagree, and state that Haruki being told makes it more interesting, especially his reaction.

Even if he doesn't believe them all, he'll find out for himself the next day anyway.

Besides, having them all vanish for a few days and having him show up in a new world is proof enough that everything isn't as he thought.

I think he'd be pretty happy, in a way. Same if Haruhi was shown proof of aliens.

Also, since I plan to characterize him as more of a villain anyway, his reaction being violent and unpredictable is useful to me.


Be careful not to make it a story where the characters learn valuable life lessons and such, and then are completely wiped of them at the end. This is usually not welcome for readers. I know that the Suzumiya powers tend to reset the world's situations, but the SOS Brigade always remember.

Because of the person who's using the powers, he intentionally resets everything in order to save/restore both worlds.

If you actually want me to tell you what I/we have planned for the ending, I can PM you...

And no, no one is going to learn major life lessons here. (I kind of want to prove that EPIC RESET can be done well, as well...)

[Ithekro]

My brain tells me this is a bad plan. However I have been wrong before.

[Kaisos Erranon]

My brain tells me this is a bad plan. However I have been wrong before.

Let's see what you have to point out that's bad about it.

[Ithekro]

It is more a feeling than anything else.

Something seems off. Maybe its the idea of bringing the characters out of character for the sake of the story, or just the potential amount of angst bothering me. Or maybe its the idea of a story that effectively does nothing (EPIC RESET, LOL END). While sometimes EPIC RESET stories work fine if the story itself is cool enough to warrent such a reset (I can recall a few Star Trek Voyager episodes that did handle it "correctly", and others were it feels like a let down).

It will depend on how it is done I suppose.

[dkellis]

The Seitenkan Brigade are presented with effectively incontrovertible proof that they and their universe are derivatives, on Day 8. What this is, I have yet to really decide. :heh:

Offhand answer: both Nagatos tell them so.

Of course, if the Seitenkan-verse people are not responsible for the merger, then there would be absolutely no reason for them to have any powers when dumped into the Canon-verse. Only Yuuki could conceivably be able to reconnect to the Data Entity: it's not Itsuko's Organization, and it's definitely not Mitsuru's future.

I disagree, and state that Haruki being told makes it more interesting, especially his reaction.

Even if he doesn't believe them all, he'll find out for himself the next day anyway.

Besides, having them all vanish for a few days and having him show up in a new world is proof enough that everything isn't as he thought.

I think he'd be pretty happy, in a way. Same if Haruhi was shown proof of aliens.

Also, since I plan to characterize him as more of a villain anyway, his reaction being violent and unpredictable is useful to me.

I was thinking more that Haruki would turn catatonic, not violent.

I got the impression from the novels, fairly strongly, that Haruhi (and by extension, Haruki) isn't interested in actually finding the unusual, as much as finding them. As in, the search is the thing, not the goal.

The reason why Haruhi doesn't know about her powers is because she wants aliens etc to exist, in a conscious wish kind of way, but she knows, unconsciously, that this is ridiculous and impossible. When Kyon told her about the SOS Brigade members' true identities, she dismisses him immediately (even if she later picked up the roles as inspiration for the movie), and never suspects the SOS Brigade as being anything more than her friends. One reason why Kyon can get away with threatening the Data Entity at the end of Disappearance is because he knows that nobody can predict Haruhi's reaction to the whole John Smith thing. Haruhi is not the most stable of people, and all this is if her stated wishes come true in a good way. In contrast, Haruki has to deal with the fact that his entire life has been a lie.

I cannot tell how Haruki would react, but I can guess based on similar circumstances in other works. A possibility that springs to mind is that he will attempt suicide, which is far too dark for something MoHS-related.

To put all this in perspective: my reaction to Haruki (or Haruhi, if it comes to that) knowing about the truth is an immense revulsion, around the same level as when it was suggested that Big Mitsuru was a smoker. It's a kind of "no, never, I will not accept such a thing, and if it comes to pass, I will avoid it completely".

[Kaisos Erranon]

It is more a feeling than anything else.

Something seems off. Maybe its the idea of bringing the characters out of character for the sake of the story, or just the potential amount of angst bothering me. Or maybe its the idea of a story that effectively does nothing (EPIC RESET, LOL END). While sometimes EPIC RESET stories work fine if the story itself is cool enough to warrent such a reset (I can recall a few Star Trek Voyager episodes that did handle it "correctly", and others were it feels like a let down).

It will depend on how it is done I suppose.

Yes, yes it does. Do I have faith in my ability to tell such a story? Hope so...

This is why I hope to have people helping me and pointing out dumb ideas though.

Also remember that only the True End is an EPIC RESET, and that the characters honestly can't act "out of character" because we know so little about them, given Kyon's limited perspective. Only characters who are really given any focus at all are Yuki, Haruhi, and Kyon, and thus Yuuki, Haruki, and Kyonko. In addition, Haruki's impulsive, hormone-driven personality makes him an excellent villain.

And don't tell me he can't be a villain. Look how many people have interpreted Haruhi as such.

I also don't see how angst bothers you people at all. Sure, it's not acceptable in real life. But this is fiction.

Offhand answer: both Nagatos tell them so.

Of course, if the Seitenkan-verse people are not responsible for the merger, then there would be absolutely no reason for them to have any powers when dumped into the Canon-verse. Only Yuuki could conceivably be able to reconnect to the Data Entity: it's not Itsuko's Organization, and it's definitely not Mitsuru's future.

Mitsuuru has no real powers anyway, and Itsuko can only activate hers in Haruki's Closed Space. So yeah.

The Nagatos are a good, and obvious in hindsight, idea. Thank you.


The reason why Haruhi doesn't know about her powers is because she wants aliens etc to exist, in a conscious wish kind of way, but she knows, unconsciously, that this is ridiculous and impossible. When Kyon told her about the SOS Brigade members' true identities, she dismisses him immediately (even if she later picked up the roles as inspiration for the movie), and never suspects the SOS Brigade as being anything more than her friends.

There are some people who would disagree with you on that last, myself being one of them. Frankly, I think she suspects SOMETHING.

One reason why Kyon can get away with threatening the Data Entity at the end of Disappearance is because he knows that nobody can predict Haruhi's reaction to the whole John Smith thing. Haruhi is not the most stable of people, and all this is if her stated wishes come true in a good way. In contrast, Haruki has to deal with the fact that his entire life has been a lie.

Kyon seems pretty certain that he'd simply activate her true potential, the way I read it.

And yeah. They ALL have to come to terms with their entire life being a lie. That's the entire point. That's WHY they all become rather emotionally unstable.


I cannot tell how Haruki would react, but I can guess based on similar circumstances in other works. A possibility that springs to mind is that he will attempt suicide, which is far too dark for something MoHS-related.

Why would he do this? Haruki loves existing. He's also not nearly as emotionally vulnerable to begin with as his female counterpart.


To put all this in perspective: my reaction to Haruki (or Haruhi, if it comes to that) knowing about the truth is an immense revulsion, around the same level as when it was suggested that Big Mitsuru was a smoker. It's a kind of "no, never, I will not accept such a thing, and if it comes to pass, I will avoid it completely".

I don't understand why you have such a closed opinion to this sort of thing. "Revulsion" is such a strong word for something used in fiction, and for a doujin at that.

The ENTIRE REASON why they don't tell Haruki is the simple danger of a self-aware God... when this danger is no longer present, and they have NO WAY back home because their universe is EFFECTIVELY DESTROYED, there's little point in keeping secrets anymore.

[Joe4evr]

Didn't one of us generate that image? I seem to remember it from a few hundred pages back.Yes it was from somewhere in this thread, partially the reason why I asked if it could be done.

Also, it doesn't necessarily have to be exactly that, just something as close as possible.

[DannyCat]

Intersection of Closed Space?

With Haruhi/Haruki involved, I think just walking through a door frame would do the trick! :DSo closed space makes the bathrooms down the hall from the clubroom intertwine. If you walk in the mens room door in Universe 1, when you leave the bathroom you walk out the womens room door in universe A, and vice versa.

[Jintor]

WHOA!


...



You're alive!

Not really. Clinging to life, as it were.

[dkellis]

I don't understand why you have such a closed opinion to this sort of thing. "Revulsion" is such a strong word for something used in fiction, and for a doujin at that.

I should clarify my stand.

I am honestly feeling "revulsion", with pretty much that intensity of emotion. I don't know why, but I am feeling it. So yes, that word is used intentionally.

Usually when I am feeling something like this, it turns out that it's because of something my brain instinctively recognizes as Wrong (in the sense of Not Correct or False). I can't verbalize the exact reasons, however, until maybe a week or a month later. At the moment, all I can come up with is that all this is not true to the spirit of the series, and is out-of-character for the sake of a plot point that doesn't have to be there. There's another cross-reference to what the thread called the "otaku stench": having the plot point Just Because It's Fun, regardless of whether it fits the series.

However, the important word there is "usually". I am open to the idea that this could be a matter of taste and taste alone, like my well-publicized aversion to angst. It doesn't feel the same, but emotions are notoriously imprecise.

All this means that I am in the position of not being confident that this project is in any way going to be of interest to me, but also fully aware that nothing has been shown yet. In other words, I am trying not to judge an unreleased work based purely on my gut feelings and preliminary material.

And when I say that I will have nothing to do with the project, that's more or less exactly what I mean: I'm not going to participate, because I won't enjoy it. I'm not going to read it, because I won't enjoy it. I'm not going to join in discussions about it, because I won't enjoy it.

But that doesn't mean that the people involved are suddenly persona non grata, or that the project itself is objectively flawed. After all, the above can also be applied to, say, the Madden games, or the Touhou games, or the Super Robot Wars games.

Obviously I'm going to at least read some of it, since I can't judge it otherwise. But all of these posts are meant to convey that I feel very strongly that Something Is Wrong, and I'm trying my best to figure out what.

[HikariNiwa]

Suddenly everyone's become rather serious.

[Cat Megex]

Suddenly everyone's become rather serious.

That's what happens when something that is Serious Business is discussed. (Even if the subject matter itself is not Serious Business, but rather its contents.)

[dkellis]

I tend to force myself to be Serious when communicating on the Internet, as in any text medium. I have enough problems finding the right words to say in order not to be misunderstood, much less convey any sort of expression or tone.

I'm not exactly going to be losing any sleep over that plot point. I really do feel strongly about it, but in the same way one might feel strongly about a sudden huge insect in your lunch: a sort of "Gyuh! Get it away, get it away! Bad, bad!" feeling, but not something that is cause for solemn expressions in a sombre boardroom.

EDIT: Also, don't think of this as a "I'm leaving and I'm taking my ball with me!"

Think of it more like "Okay, I really don't see how this is a good idea, and I'm very sceptical, which is why your job is to convince me."

[ijuinkun]

Ok, if having Haruki become aware of his power is out of the question, then how about this: Since the Seitenkan universe is collapsing without him (and Yuuki and Itsuko would be able to sense this due to their connection to their native spacetime), the eight who are aware of the situation would need to try to steer him into wanting to return to the old world. I would imagine that what is happening to their world is similar to what WOULD have happened to Haruhi's world if Kyon had not convinced her to go back at the end of the first book.

Some time pressure can be added in too--if they take too long (more than a week or two, or whatever would be a couple of days longer than the story will run for), then there will be no going back--they will have merged with their new world, and the old one will have faded from Haruki's memory so much that he could no longer restore it, and their histories will have been overwritten so that they really are the brothers/sisters of their counterparts.

[Kaisos Erranon]

*snip*
*snip*

Okay. I understand how you feel, since you hate angst anyway and that is mainly what this project is trying to do.

I will say that I think that feeling "revulsion" towards FICTION is, from my point of view, EXTREMELY irrational, however.

Ok, if having Haruki become aware of his power is out of the question, then how about this: Since the Seitenkan universe is collapsing without him (and Yuuki and Itsuko would be able to sense this due to their connection to their native spacetime), the eight who are aware of the situation would need to try to steer him into wanting to return to the old world. I would imagine that what is happening to their world is similar to what WOULD have happened to Haruhi's world if Kyon had not convinced her to go back at the end of the first book.

Some time pressure can be added in too--if they take too long (more than a week or two, or whatever would be a couple of days longer than the story will run for), then there will be no going back--they will have merged with their new world, and the old one will have faded from Haruki's memory so much that he could no longer restore it, and their histories will have been overwritten so that they really are the brothers/sisters of their counterparts.

See.

By the point in time Haruki enters the real universe, his universe is already gone.

The danger now is that, since the Seitenkan Brigade is originally not from the real universe, they shouldn't exist, and are in a real danger of ending the universe through their sheer presence.

The logical conclusion would be to kill them, but the Nagatos are certain some speck of the Seitenkan universe still exists, and a way could be found to restore it, to even make it "real".

And this is where the routes, and thus the plot, divide.

And "Haruki being aware of his power" is NOT out of the question, if you ask me. In fact, from my point of view, the opposite is what destroys Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

If your friends all vanished, and suddenly you were thrown into a universe like your own, but much different, and you already had the predisposition to believe in the fantastic... wouldn't you believe what they're telling you?

This is, indeed, my problem with the original story. So many obviously supernatural things happen around and to Haruhi, and yet she seems completely blind to them, if only to maintain status quo.

And having everyone become siblings... well, now THAT'S "otaku stench".


My personal theory of character development, and of fan fiction, is that no one can act "out-of-character" with sufficient angst and emotional trauma to explain their changed behavior. Also, they're all teenagers.

Rabid purism is bad.

[Ithekro]

The story will need a RESET to maintain canon...it is the quality of the reset that is needed to maintain it that is a main question.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The story will need a RESET to maintain canon...it is the quality of the reset that is needed to maintain it that is a main question.

Please explain.

[Ithekro]

The "Why and How" of the reset will deturmine if the story feels like a let down or not. I don't like playing games the result in me either feeling I wasted my time to do nothing, or that make me rage because then ending was handled badly.

To use my Voager analogy: There is a two part episode named "Year of Hell" that basically has a Reset ending to which none of the events seen ever happened...mostly. However the course of the show and the method of getting EPIC RESET made the reset worth the time to watch the show.

"Timeless" also has an reset ending, but the path to get to said reset and the reason for it make the reset worth the viewing.

"Course: Oblivion" on the other hand has the downer reset time story where everything you see happens, but doesn't effect the story for the main characters ever. It feels like one wasted an hour even thought the story was good until the ending.

It matters how the reset is handled and why it is used that makes or breaks the use of EPIC RESET.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The "Why and How" of the reset will deturmine if the story feels like a let down or not. I don't like playing games the result in me either feeling I wasted my time to do nothing, or that make me rage because then ending was handled badly.

One of the reasons I think the reset is a good idea is because I want to have KYON perform the reset.

He knows exactly what he's doing and why he has to do it, which is why it really doesn't preclude character development, in my mind.

This will sound a lot better when written out, but, basically, in the True Route, everything bad that happened in every previous route, happens again. At once.

It also drags on for a few days too many, so the world is beginning to merge with Closed Space...

At the moment when the Shinjin begin their rampage, and Haruhi beings to get an inkling of what's actually going on, Haruki shows, up, steals about half her power, impales her with a desk leg, and kidnaps Kyonko, daring Kyon to come after GOD.

Haruhi, dying, intentionally transfers the last of her power to Kyon, telling him that she loves him before fading out.

To make a slightly longer story shorter, Haruki and Kyon, two functional near-gods, fight.

Kyon wins, taking the rest of the Harupowers, and resets the universe to its original, canon state. Cue intentionally cheesy Kingdom Hearts-esque separation scene between Kyon and Kyonko.

There. Now is that stupid to you or not?

[Ithekro]

Hmmmmm.

Stupid...no.

Other than that I'll have to think about it.

[HikariNiwa]

One of the reasons I think the reset is a good idea is because I want to have KYON perform the reset.

He knows exactly what he's doing and why he has to do it, which is why it really doesn't preclude character development, in my mind.

This will sound a lot better when written out, but, basically, in the True Route, everything bad that happened in every previous route, happens again. At once.

It also drags on for a few days too many, so the world is beginning to merge with Closed Space...

At the moment when the Shinjin begin their rampage, and Haruhi beings to get an inkling of what's actually going on, Haruki shows, up, steals about half her power, impales her with a desk leg, and kidnaps Kyonko, daring Kyon to come after GOD.

Haruhi, dying, intentionally transfers the last of her power to Kyon, telling him that she loves him before fading out.

To make a slightly longer story shorter, Haruki and Kyon, two functional near-gods, fight.

Kyon wins, taking the rest of the Harupowers, and resets the universe to its original, canon state. Cue intentionally cheesy Kingdom Hearts-esque separation scene between Kyon and Kyonko.

There. Now is that stupid to you or not?

Well it isn't stupid for that matter but... I'll have to think it over as well.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Sure is heavy around here.

@dkellis: Your gut feeling is right and you should probably listen to it, but at the same time I'd like to take you up on your offer to do a trial run on some of the material once we actually get around to the writing and not just conceptualizing it.

@Kaisos: You're working ridiculously hard on this idea I came up with. I can't figure out how to show my gratitude other than by just saying thanks. But hopefully I'll think of something.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It's no trouble, Danchou.

[otai]

I wouldn't like a lot angst, but I wouldn't worry about the volume until I see it. Angst is only painful when we see it from the viewpoint character, and repeatedly. Compare Shinji and Asuka.

It should be OK as long as antagonists maintain well reasoned arguments to why they are hijacking the universe, and Kyon doesn't go "It's all my/your fault!!!" at all times.

I prefer to think of the Reset as some kind of Armageddon. Essentially, space-time is going to be destroyed. It takes some kind of faith to accept that the universe is "restored" rather than "replaced", especially if it supposedly gives you amnesia in the process.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I wouldn't like a lot angst, but I wouldn't worry about the volume until I see it. Angst is only painful when we see it from the viewpoint character, and repeatedly. Compare Shinji and Asuka.

It should be OK as long as antagonists maintain well reasoned arguments to why they are hijacking the universe, and Kyon doesn't go "It's all my/your fault!!!" at all times.

Kyon himself isn't naturally angsty. Just that bad things happen to him. Repeatedly.

Though Kyon deals with them rather well. It's just that EVERYONE ELSE has angst.


I prefer to think of the Reset as some kind of Armageddon. Essentially, space-time is going to be destroyed. It takes some kind of faith to accept that the universe is "restored" rather than "replaced", especially if it supposedly gives you amnesia in the process.

I maintain that Haruhi's powers only do this because she has no control over them. A fully aware reality warper has a bit more... elegance.

[otai]

The logical conclusion would be to kill them, but the Nagatos are certain some speck of the Seitenkan universe still exists, and a way could be found to restore it, to even make it "real".

And this is where the routes, and thus the plot, divide.

If the Nagato's had indeed determined there is some small chance to restore the Seitenkan universe, isn't it the great shounen story tradition to work together, save everyone while reveling in the power of nakama? Better that the Nagato's have no clue, prompting a fight on the best course of action. Kyon holds off the decision for a day or two; but it was during this time that the impatient guys go rogue.

[Kaisos Erranon]

If the Nagato's had indeed determined there is some small chance to restore the Seitenkan universe, isn't it the great shounen story tradition to work together, save everyone while reveling in the power of nakama?

And that is exactly why we're not going to do it.

The two groups do NOT trust one another...

[dkellis]

@dkellis: Your gut feeling is right and you should probably listen to it, but at the same time I'd like to take you up on your offer to do a trial run on some of the material once we actually get around to the writing and not just conceptualizing it.

With the caveat that since I dislike angst, and angst is the stated reason for this project in the first place, I'll probably be biased.

Of course, being a fanfic writer of sixteen years means that even before Haruhi's revelation in the first chronological episode, I've always followed a certain creed: if you cannot reconcile with it, start your own.

[Roger Rambo]

*snip*
lol wut? :twitch:

[Kaisos Erranon]

lol wut? :twitch:

...There's a lot more setup for it than might appear from that post.

Also, you guys probably shouldn't read that...


Of course, being a fanfic writer of sixteen years means that even before Haruhi's revelation in the first chronological episode, I've always followed a certain creed: if you cannot reconcile with it, start your own.

...If you ask me, that's really head-in-the-sand, escapist behavior...


Speaking of which...

Haruhi's behavior in particular, that is, her refusal to accept reality as it is, to me, is rather self-destructive (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFeF6v-6jM&fmt=18).

At some point, you gotta reconcile with life and try to find fun in, yes, a boring world. You gotta learn to compromise and accept things.

...Not that I'm accusing you of this, dkellis. Just of my disapproval of typical otaku/NEET behavior...

I really want to use that as some kind of message in this visnovel now...

[ijuinkun]

There. Now is that stupid to you or not?

Hmmm I don't really like the idea of Kyon directly wielding the worldbending power. What I would like to see is a showdown between Haruki and Haruhi, where Kyon is the one who breaks the stalemate between them.

Anyway, the idea of a direct confrontation between an aware Haruki and Haruhi would definitely have the feeling of "This world isn't big enough for the both of us, so whose world will it be--yours or mine?" with the two of them battling for "ownership" of the world.

As for the possibility of recreating Haruki's world, I would like to think that Haruki remains potentially capable of doing so as long as he still remembers his old world and has any reason to care about it.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Hmmm I don't really like the idea of Kyon directly wielding the worldbending power. What I would like to see is a showdown between Haruki and Haruhi, where Kyon is the one who breaks the stalemate between them.

That's what the God(?) Route has, actually.

True Route is there to make Kyon look really badass.


As for the possibility of recreating Haruki's world, I would like to think that Haruki remains potentially capable of doing so as long as he still remembers his old world and has any reason to care about it.

He no longer has his powers, in the real world. He (and the rest of the Seitenkan Brigade) is a data construct, after all, not a real human being.

[Cat Megex]

That's what the God(?) Route has, actually.

True Route is there to make Kyon look really badass.



He no longer has his powers, in the real world. He (and the rest of the Seitenkan Brigade) is a data construct, after all, not a real human being.

But if Haruhi really did recreate the world three years prior, then wouldn't the entire world consist of data constructs anyway?

[HikariNiwa]

But if Haruhi really did recreate the world three years prior, then wouldn't the entire world consist of data constructs anyway?

Wasn't everything made up of data in the first place? Or is my memory slipping again?

EDIT: Huh, it seems Round 4 of the ISML preliminaries resulted in pretty much entirely lolis.

EDIT 2: Also, it's my first time ever hearing of the term Hepburn romanization system.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

But if Haruhi really did recreate the world three years prior, then wouldn't the entire world consist of data constructs anyway?

Kaisos doesn't believe that theory, as everything Itsuki says is a lie, including when he admits he just lied.

[Cat Megex]

Kaisos doesn't believe that theory, as everything Itsuki says is a lie, including when he admits he just lied.

But both Mikuru and Yuki provide evidence in support of said theory.

[beanbrew]

Hepburn is fine and all, but I don't like how particles are romanized in it. I would romanize the particle へ as "he", は as "ha", and を as "wo".

[Cat Megex]

Hepburn is fine and all, but I don't like how particles are romanized in it. I would romanize the particle へ as "he", は as "ha", and を as "wo".

...Wait, what? Also, I agree with you, except on は; most systems of romanization I've seen represent it as "wa" when used as a particle. Not really sure about へ, though I think I've seen it romanized both ways, and を I've heard pronounced in both manners as well as seen romanized in both manners.

[ijuinkun]

Well it's pronounced "wa" in spoken Japanese, so it all depends on whether you want to represent the way it's spoken or the way it's written.

Anyway, Haruki and company should be just as "real" as any other people who have been created by Haruhi--and as "real" as the world Kyon would find himself in had he not kissed her at the end of the first story.

However, there does exist the possibility that they are in some way unstable as long as Haruhi believes either consciously or subconsciously that they do not belong, so there could be a conflict between their need to be absorbed into the Haruhi world and their need to hold onto their own identities--the only way they could keep their identities would be if their world could be reconstructed, and they have only days/a couple of weeks to get their world back before facing inevitable absorption or fading from existence.

[HikariNiwa]

Well it's pronounced "wa" in spoken Japanese, so it all depends on whether you want to represent the way it's spoken or the way it's written.

Anyway, Haruki and company should be just as "real" as any other people who have been created by Haruhi--and as "real" as the world Kyon would find himself in had he not kissed her at the end of the first story.

However, there does exist the possibility that they are in some way unstable as long as Haruhi believes either consciously or subconsciously that they do not belong, so there could be a conflict between their need to be absorbed into the Haruhi world and their need to hold onto their own identities--the only way they could keep their identities would be if their world could be reconstructed, and they have only days/a couple of weeks to get their world back before facing inevitable absorption or fading from existence.

That's pretty depressing.

[beanbrew]

Can't we just make something like Kyonko's Diary into VN form? Just fluff and ero? No angst? No? Awwwww.

[Joe4evr]

Can't we just make something like Kyonko's Diary into VN form? Just fluff and ero? No angst? No? Awwwww.Just fluff and ero? I'd like to see that.

[HikariNiwa]

Just fluff and ero? I'd like to see that.

Seconded. Then again, having just fluff and ero wouldn't be much.

[Kaisos Erranon]

But if Haruhi really did recreate the world three years prior, then wouldn't the entire world consist of data constructs anyway?

It's not quite the same thing.

For the purposes of this story idea, the Seitenkan Brigade are not real. They are derived existences. They are copies.

And besides, no one really knows whether or not Haruhi actually (re)created the universe.

Kaisos doesn't believe that theory, as everything Itsuki says is a lie, including when he admits he just lied.

Er. Not exactly.

But both Mikuru and Yuki provide evidence in support of said theory.

Uh. I always figured it was the opposite.

Both the data entity and the time travelers clearly remember things "before" the incident. Yuki, as well, states that Koizumi is just playing mind games, in Vol. 2. And then tells Kyon not to trust anybody. Dammit.


Anyway, Haruki and company should be just as "real" as any other people who have been created by Haruhi--and as "real" as the world Kyon would find himself in had he not kissed her at the end of the first story.

For the purposes of this story, no. For the purposes of this story, they are fake.

Really shouldn't have used the term "data construct"... but now you're giving me ideas on how Haruki and crew would protest their existence. Thanks.


However, there does exist the possibility that they are in some way unstable as long as Haruhi believes either consciously or subconsciously that they do not belong, so there could be a conflict between their need to be absorbed into the Haruhi world and their need to hold onto their own identities--the only way they could keep their identities would be if their world could be reconstructed, and they have only days/a couple of weeks to get their world back before facing inevitable absorption or fading from existence.

No absorption. Fading from existence. But yeah, that's good. Thanks.

Can't we just make something like Kyonko's Diary into VN form? Just fluff and ero? No angst? No? Awwwww.

Just fluff and ero? I'd like to see that.

Seconded. Then again, having just fluff and ero wouldn't be much.

See.

That's not. Really any good.

Fluff and ero is fun and all. But I'm frankly very sick of that. Anime as a medium has a bad rap already for being too fanservicey.

Like dkellis said. We want to avoid the "otaku stench".

[DJ_RockmanX]

For the purposes of this story, no. For the purposes of this story, they are fake.

Really shouldn't have used the term "data construct"... but now you're giving me ideas on how Haruki and crew would protest their existence. Thanks.

It's sad that the Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts would be the perfect example of what they are. KH2 completely wasted the concept, and gave them a stupid name on top of it. "The Non Existent Ones" was much better even if it was a bit wordy.

[Cat Megex]

Uh. I always figured it was the opposite.

Both the data entity and the time travelers clearly remember things "before" the incident.

My thoughts on that were that, if Haruhi really did recreate the world, then it was just the world (that is, the Earth) and not the universe as a whole.

Regardless, we'll probably never know what actually happened back then, unless Tanigawa decides to go all expository on us in volume 10 (or in a later volume, if volume 10 isn't the end).

[Kaisos Erranon]

It's sad that the Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts would be the perfect example of what they are. KH2 completely wasted the concept, and gave them a stupid name on top of it. "The Non Existent Ones" was much better even if it was a bit wordy.

This is a much better way of putting it, yeah.

Square's always had a history of bad naming. The enemies in Birth By Sleep are going to be called the "Unbirth". Which is a very disturbing furry fetish.

I hope that they figure that out before release.

My thoughts on that were that, if Haruhi really did recreate the world, then it was just the world (that is, the Earth) and not the universe as a whole.

My personal theory is that Haruhi merely created an explosion of data that gave the espers their powers, cut off the time stream, and drew the attention of the IDSE.

You know, just like Yuki says.

She's probably the most trustworthy out of the three, as Koizumi clearly has some ulterior motives and, while Mikuru herself is harmless, her older self appears to be rather amoral. True Neutral, if you will.

[Cat Megex]

This is a much better way of putting it, yeah.

Square's always had a history of bad naming. The enemies in Birth By Sleep are going to be called the "Unbirth". Which is a very disturbing furry fetish.

I hope that they figure that out before release.

1. ...I have no idea what this "unbirth" thing you mention is.
2. I would suggest "Unborn" in place of "Unbirth", but that's already been taken by a recent horror movie here in the US. :/

My personal theory is that Haruhi merely created an explosion of data that gave the espers their powers, cut off the time stream, and drew the attention of the IDSE.

Sounds like a fairly well-controlled explosion.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Sounds like a fairly well-controlled explosion.

And? Even if she did remake the world, she had no real intention of doing what she did.

It was completely subconscious in any case.

[ijuinkun]

No absorption. Fading from existence. But yeah, that's good. Thanks.



Well by "absorption" I more meant "being remade by Haruhi so that they belong in Haruhi's world and having their past rewritten so that all the mundane people think they really are brothers/sisters/whatever". I just thought it would be interesting to give the Seitenkan brigade a sadistic choice of either complete death (fading) or loss-of-identity (assimilation).

[dkellis]

Like dkellis said. We want to avoid the "otaku stench".

Actually, I never said that we wanted to avoid the "otaku stench". (I didn't come up with the term anyway.)

I meant that if we wanted to do something Just Because We Want To, rather than because it fits the story, then we should be aware of our reasons for it. In other words, be prepared to defend that "otaku stench", even if it's a de gustibus non disputandum (no arguing with/accounting for taste) situation.

I have nothing against a fanservice variety of this VN project. The only reason I'm not doing one is because I don't have the ability to convey "fanservice" as a concept in text form.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Er. Not exactly.

The first sentence and the first half of the second were things you've actually said... the last part was obviously a bad joke :heh:


*e* Also, "Nobody" was rather fitting, given the fact that aside from Axel, Naminé, and Roxas, they were all either generic foot soldiers or died in their first appearance. Now enough with KH, I'm trying to avoid thinking of the Koizumis in those black robes :heh:

[otai]

But if Haruhi really did recreate the world three years prior, then wouldn't the entire world consist of data constructs anyway?

What is life but the complex chemical data content of DNA?

Well it's pronounced "wa" in spoken Japanese, so it all depends on whether you want to represent the way it's spoken or the way it's written.

Anyway, Haruki and company should be just as "real" as any other people who have been created by Haruhi--and as "real" as the world Kyon would find himself in had he not kissed her at the end of the first story.

However, there does exist the possibility that they are in some way unstable as long as Haruhi believes either consciously or subconsciously that they do not belong, so there could be a conflict between their need to be absorbed into the Haruhi world and their need to hold onto their own identities--the only way they could keep their identities would be if their world could be reconstructed, and they have only days/a couple of weeks to get their world back before facing inevitable absorption or fading from existence.

Sounds like quantum superposition or Schroedinger's cat. The Seitenkan brigade are from both universes until determined by quantum measurement; i.e. meeting someone with Harupowers while being introduced as either dimensional sliders, or dimensional natives.

[beanbrew]

What is life but the complex chemical data content of DNA?

A system that will use energy from the environment in order to reduce entropy and is able to reproduce and adapt to changes in environment?

Sounds like quantum superposition or Schroedinger's cat. The Seitenkan brigade are from both universes until determined by quantum measurement; i.e. meeting someone with Harupowers while being introduced as either dimensional sliders, or dimensional natives.

And measuring them will change their state! Right! Everyone loves wavefunctions!

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well by "absorption" I more meant "being remade by Haruhi so that they belong in Haruhi's world and having their past rewritten so that all the mundane people think they really are brothers/sisters/whatever". I just thought it would be interesting to give the Seitenkan brigade a sadistic choice of either complete death (fading) or loss-of-identity (assimilation).

That would only happen in my idea for a "Good End", accessible from every route.

It'd be so happy it's sickening. In an attempt to prove my point about bad good endings.


Sounds like quantum superposition or Schroedinger's cat. The Seitenkan brigade are from both universes until determined by quantum measurement; i.e. meeting someone with Harupowers while being introduced as either dimensional sliders, or dimensional natives.

This above makes little sense. I like this.

Introducing technobabble to screw with the player is something I'd love to see too.

[Cat Megex]

That would only happen in my idea for a "Good End", accessible from every route.

It'd be so happy it's sickening. In an attempt to prove my point about bad good endings.

And as with all things, you'd have people who prefer this route.

[Kaisos Erranon]

And as with all things, you'd have people who prefer this route.

Yeah. I know. Sad, really.

[CrowKenobi]

That would only happen in my idea for a "Good End", accessible from every route.

It'd be so happy it's sickening. In an attempt to prove my point about bad good endings.

You could probably slip in a 'Trippy Finale Syndrome' (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrippyFinaleSyndrome) in there somewhere.... :D

:cool:

Heck, make the whole thing the TFS! :heh:

and maybe add a dash of 'What Do You Mean, It's Not Symbolic?' (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlebqmxtrir9bav?from=Main.WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSy mbolic) :heehee:

[bpc908]

Wow, so many ideas and so well Organized. This project seems to be coming along awesomely

[HikariNiwa]

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4774/75238636fu7.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=75238636fu7.jpg)
That's the last time I download suspicious files and follow suspicious instructions from suspicious posts on 4chan.

EDIT: I was unbanned only five minutes after submitting my appeal? That's shocking.
EDIT2: Oh wait, nevermind.

[Ithekro]

And you are telling us?

[HikariNiwa]

And you are telling us?

There's no one else worth talking to.

[C.A.]

There was once I was googling for Sasaki pics and it linked to 4chan.

When I clicked, it says I'm banned lol, so I clicked refresh a few times and then I was in it.

So I looked at the Sasaki pic and found it was my Ninja Sasaki. Someone was asking for sauce, so I posted and said it was C.A. from AS.

I still wonder who's that Anon who posted my pic.

[suyaandsammie]

Ummm, I just joined today. However I've been following Haruhi for 4 years now and I write books and draw in AP art. Though I recently came across Haruki. (which is to say the best thing that ever happened) However I found out that the story is stalled and I was thinking of picking it up at chapter 6 (the latest that Baka-Tsuki has out).

Any objections...?

[Cat Megex]

*snip*

WELCOME. YOU SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

However, you'll have to take that up with the Danchou.

[suyaandsammie]

WELCOME. YOU SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

However, you'll have to take that up with the Danchou.

Who is Danchou exactly? He/She doesn't appear in the members list...

[DJ_RockmanX]

I'm gonna defer to the Vice Commander and whoever he deems a part of the imaginary writing committee.

[suyaandsammie]

I have a question before I continue to translate the 6th chapter.

Should the future Asahina-san be the epitome of manliness. Or is he more feminine than ever?

Personally I choose the epitome of manliness.

[Ithekro]

I would think manly except when embarassed by Kyonko, those times when you could see the old (well young) Mitsuuru in him.

[DJ_RockmanX]

I might suggest waiting a little while for Kaisos to return. Despite having all but given up in the novel rewrites, I'm sure he'd like some say in this, given that there does exist the finished Volume 1 in the archive post.

[dkellis]

A sign of hope:

I dropped by Kinokuniya yesterday, and picked up books 3, 5, and 8. (Bringing my total to 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, and 9.) I'll get to work on attempting to read them for genderbending purposes sometime this week.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Hope is good. But there is also a need for change we can believe in. Namely getting something done before this place turns a year old.

[Ithekro]

I still think getting the original works completely genderbent is the route to go...if only so there will be a consistant canon to fall back on when a question comes up about personality and other such things.

Also would help for later if someone wanted to animate scenes or even entire episodes in the future. Considering was was done for Touhou...it is not entirely impossible for Kyonko get get her own fan-made anime.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I have a question before I continue to translate the 6th chapter.

Should the future Asahina-san be the epitome of manliness. Or is he more feminine than ever?

Personally I choose the epitome of manliness.

I haven't finished putting crap up on Baka-Tsuki...

The archive post contains the first draft of book 1, which is complete.

I might suggest waiting a little while for Kaisos to return. Despite having all but given up in the novel rewrites, I'm sure he'd like some say in this, given that there does exist the finished Volume 1 in the archive post.

This. Also, I should probably get to work on finishing up Boredom, now that I can...


Also would help for later if someone wanted to animate scenes or even entire episodes in the future. Considering was was done for Touhou...it is not entirely impossible for Kyonko get get her own fan-made anime.

They're not going to listen to the Western fandom, though...

[DJ_RockmanX]

I haven't finished putting crap up on Baka-Tsuki...

The archive post contains the first draft of book 1, which is complete.

Someone. Anyone. Do this please.

This. Also, I should probably get to work on finishing up Boredom, now that I can...

If you would.

They're not going to listen to the Western fandom, though...

Maybe we should write in the rejection of the Japanese fandom into the VN.

"Haruhiko... that's obviously from her name isn't it. From this day forward, MY NAME IS HARUKI!"

Or something like that. Someone make this sound more epic in Haruki defining his own existence.

[Kaisos Erranon]

So. Boredom of Haruki...



Dammit. It's been too long and I forgot what we were going to do with it.


Were we going to have Haruki bat first, like in the original, or go clean-up to prove his manliness?

It's been waaay too long since we've had these discussions... If someone good at sifting through information would like to hunt back about half a year, and get me the relevant posts and ideas, that'd be just wonderful.

Or if you can just remember that'd be even better.


Also, were we going to keep "Kamigahara Pirates" or make some crack about the name?

[beanbrew]

Damn you, KyoAni. Damn you. Second season in April? As in, finals season? You bastards!

[besieger]

Were we going to have Haruki bat first, like in the original, or go clean-up to prove his manliness?

Personally I think clean-up would be better in displaying manliness, but given his personality, batting first would probably be more fitting.


It's been waaay too long since we've had these discussions... If someone good at sifting through information would like to hunt back about half a year, and get me the relevant posts and ideas, that'd be just wonderful.

Or if you can just remember that'd be even better.

I'd love to help build a database, but I'm way too busy right now since it's the second last semester for me, and I don't want to mess my degree up, so yeah...

Also, were we going to keep "Kamigahara Pirates" or make some crack about the name?

I think we agreed on keeping the name as we're just gender-bending the characters?

[Ithekro]

Now I'm seeing Haruki quoting Akio's line to Sanae during one of the Baseball games. and Kyonko responding almost like Nagisa does to Tomoya...except with a more snarky responce to "Did you fall in love?"

[Kaisos Erranon]

Now I'm seeing Haruki quoting Akio's line to Sanae during one of the Baseball games. and Kyonko responding almost like Nagisa does to Tomoya...except with a more snarky responce to "Did you fall in love?"

Gahaha. Excellent idea.

So, I wrote a little bit, but it's not very much. Just the first bit.

The Kamigahara Pirates. A girl's baseball team from some nearby university. Despite the usual gender barrier, they were well-known among local baseball fans as being one of the most vicious and competitive teams in the entire prefecture.

Just by looking at them, I could tell it was true. They certainly had a tough playing style. We could catch a glimpse of their prowess just by watching their pre-match warm up. Their screams were so full of power, even their pitching was breathtaking. This was a proper team. From a bystander's point of view, they were a formidable opponent. I thought to myself: 'have we come to the wrong place?'

At that moment, I really wanted to take a look around to make sure whether this was the venue for the baseball tournament - the Municipal Sports Ground.

Unfortunately, it was.

While I don't feel that losing is a bad thing, I started to have an urge to escape from this impending tragedy. Our team was so crappy that actually I felt like apologizing to our opponents.

Just when I was about to formulate an escape plan, Haruki made everyone stand in a row, and started yelling.

"Alright, listen up, everybody! I'm going to outline my Battle Plan of Assured Victory!"

He sounds so much like some sort of military general.

"Now, see here. Our opponents are all weak, puny girls, so we should be able to defeat them REAL easy.”

...You know, there are girls on your team too. And I wouldn't underestimate the Pirates, either, Haruki...

“It's simple, very simple! Our plan is to hit as many out of the park as possible! Their weak bodies of weak weakness will never allow them to catch our mighty home runs! All you need to do is hit the ball as hard as you can, and our victory will be assured! (Just like my plan says.) Simple, isn't it? Well? What do you all think of my amazingly genius plan?!"

...What.

That has got to be the least planned-out plan I've ever heard. Just what is this insane confidence based on?

It was based on nothing, of course. He is the physical manifestation of baseless confidence. But, wouldn't this sort of person usually be called an “idiot”? Besides, this guy isn't just a normal idiot, he's an idiot at the top of the idiot food chain, the Lord of All Idiots, the King Idiot of the Idiot World!

Look at him standing there grinning. What an idiot.

I want more consensus on the batting order before I can do anything else.

I can't see Haruki putting a girl on clean-up, though. Misogynistic bastard.

[Ithekro]

That version of the text really makes me want Minori Chihara to voice Kyonko using her more adult Chiaki voice. The string of "Bakayaros" would be grand.

[Kaisos Erranon]

That version of the text really makes me want Minori Chihara to voice Kyonko using her more adult Chiaki voice. The string of "Bakayaros" would be grand.

Emiri Katou doing her Kagami voice would be just as awesome. But I digress.

[suyaandsammie]

Wow, did my n00bliness entering the site just now get something started?!

If it did then I thank it!

Also, if you don't mind Kaisos I'd like to help...

[DJ_RockmanX]

Well it helps that the Season 2 announcement suddenly came out today too.

I'm sure we'll think of something you can do. Those with ability should be able to use it.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Wow, did my n00bliness entering the site just now get something started?!

If it did then I thank it!

Also, if you don't mind Kaisos I'd like to help...

No, it was the second season annoucement. If that hadn't happened, I would have just ignored you. Sorry.

Anyway, you can help. If you have enough free time, can you go back through the topic and find me when we were last talking about what to do with Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya?


I'm sure we'll think of something you can do. Those with ability should be able to use it.

It's something only he can do.

[DJ_RockmanX]

I'll take care of that myself eventually. I was thinking more along the lines of editing. Since, you know, people have disappeared on us and all.

[bpc908]

I was wondering how I could become involved in this project, seeing how I love the Haruhi Series and I am all for, the genderbending of it.

[suyaandsammie]

Anyway, you can help. If you have enough free time, can you go back through the topic and find me when we were last talking about what to do with Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya?


http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=63152&page=590

I actually think I found it. Rather at least the beginning of it. It starts somewhere around that page.

[Kaisos Erranon]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=63152&page=590

I actually think I found it. Rather at least the beginning of it. It starts somewhere around that page.

Ah, thank you.

So yeah, Haruki's on clean-up. Makes sense.

This, of course, requires more effort. Damn.

[Cat Megex]

I was wondering how I could become involved in this project, seeing how I love the Haruhi Series and I am all for, the genderbending of it.

WELCOME. YOU SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

asdfjkl;

[ClockWorkAngel]

Power returns to us all. Though albiet slowly :S

[beanbrew]

We will bide our time... And one day... WE WILL CONQUER OUTER CADIA!!!

[bpc908]

WELCOME. YOU SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

asdfjkl;

Awesome.. Now I just need to figure out what I should do for this project or should someone give me something to do.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Awesome.. Now I just need to figure out what I should do for this project or should someone give me something to do.

Are you an artist?

[bpc908]

WELCOME. YOU SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

asdfjkl;

Are you an artist?

ehh...not so good at drawing, I'm able to write though

[Kaisos Erranon]

ehh...not so good at drawing, I'm able to write though

Second question: Do you like angst as an artistic medium, for storytelling?

[bpc908]

Second question: Do you like angst as an artistic medium, for storytelling?

define angst as an artistic medium

[beanbrew]

My guess is that he means angst for the purpose of telling a story, not angst for the sake of angst, as is common.

In other news, the Seitenkan discussion is 1337.

[Kaisos Erranon]

My guess is that he means angst for the purpose of telling a story, not angst for the sake of angst, as is common.

This, yes.

[Ithekro]

It won't stay 1337 forever...especially if we do something.

[DJ_RockmanX]

I just did.

And bpc908 and suyaandsammie are invited to join if they wish to do so. Seitenkan's always looking for new members after all.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I don't get it.

[Ithekro]

The post count was 1,337 for the social group..this is what beanbrew was talking about.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The post count was 1,337 for the social group..this is what beanbrew was talking about.

DAH.

Now I get it.

[suyaandsammie]

Are you an artist?

Oh, for the record Kaisos, I am an artist. However, I am much more of a fine artist than I am a graphic artist. I can use photoshop efficiently and I've done numerous art before. (example is my avatar). I've also done anime/manga style before on the PC and with ink.

However, I'm pretty sure I do a much better job with painting and charcoal. Though in this day and age I should probably get a whole lot better at Photoshop.

[Ithekro]

Charcoal is fine too.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I'd love to find a graphic artist. That would be awesome.

[Sherby~]

Hello there. n____n

I was just lurking in this thread (which is awesome, by the way. Kyonko FTW!) and read that you guys need some sort of graphic artist. Maybe I could be of use?

I usually do my works on regular pencil and paper, and sometimes I'd put it on my computer and use my drawing tablet to color it in cel shading. Does that count?

:]

[Kaisos Erranon]

I think we need to be a little more organized with that project before we actually start putting together a team...

[DJ_RockmanX]

I'm taking whatever help we can get, organized or not.

[Ithekro]

Step one: get help, Set two: Organize

[otai]

Well, the VN project should really have character portraits already. The CGs should come after the plot flowchart is done.

We are picking up speed here. Historically, the posts here will peak in March.

Well, I wanted to expand on my Scrodinger's Gun (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleocg6iflv079q) idea earlier, but didn't expect the discussion to lose its place so quickly.:heh:

Haruhi catches you with Kyonko! "Kyon, who is this?"

1. "She's my cousin Nayuki..." "Oh..." Proceed to "Good" End.
2. "She's a slider..." "BAKA JA NAI NO!" Proceed to True End routes.

Debriefing: Because if Haruhi observes Kyonko as "native", she becomes "native". Haruhi may not intellectually believe claims of the supernatural; but the idea remains in her subconscious, so Kyonko's "uncertain" nature remains.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Well, the VN project should really have character portraits already. The CGs should come after the plot flowchart is done.

Yeah, but we need artists period. CGs can wait, but we at least need the ability to churn out concept art.

And if anyone's willing to take my personal requests, I've got A LOT of side stuff that I'd like to work on. :D

We are picking up speed here. Historically, the posts here will peak in March.

Well, uh, historically we started in March. :heh:

Well, I wanted to expand on my Scrodinger's Gun (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleocg6iflv079q) idea earlier, but didn't expect the discussion to lose its place so quickly.:heh:

Haruhi catches you with Kyonko! "Kyon, who is this?"

1. "She's my cousin Nayuki..." "Oh..." Proceed to "Good" End.
2. "She's a slider..." "BAKA JA NAI NO!" Proceed to True End routes.

Debriefing: Because if Haruhi observes Kyonko as "native", she becomes "native". Haruhi may not intellectually believe claims of the supernatural; but the idea remains in her subconscious, so Kyonko's "uncertain" nature remains.


Oh god. :p

[besieger]

Step one: get help, Set two: Organize

Step three: ???
Step Four: PROFIT!

[Cat Megex]

*snip*

WELCOME. YOUR ART SKILLS SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

Well, the VN project should really have character portraits already. The CGs should come after the plot flowchart is done.

We are picking up speed here. Historically, the posts here will peak in March.

Well, I wanted to expand on my Scrodinger's Gun (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleocg6iflv079q) idea earlier, but didn't expect the discussion to lose its place so quickly.:heh:

Haruhi catches you with Kyonko! "Kyon, who is this?"

1. "She's my cousin Nayuki..." "Oh..." Proceed to "Good" End.
2. "She's a slider..." "BAKA JA NAI NO!" Proceed to True End routes.

Debriefing: Because if Haruhi observes Kyonko as "native", she becomes "native". Haruhi may not intellectually believe claims of the supernatural; but the idea remains in her subconscious, so Kyonko's "uncertain" nature remains.


...Any particular reason for "Nayuki", or did you just choose it randomly?

[Ithekro]

One of the older VN thoughs was to include Kanon as canon in terms of having Kyon and U1 be related...and thus Nayuki is also related. This was considered to give a source for the nickname "Kyon".

This gets stranger since then since the appearance of the "Special Jammu" in Clannad.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Step three: ???
Step Four: PROFIT!

Step three is to follow all of my art suggestions. :D

...Any particular reason for "Nayuki", or did you just choose it randomly?

Generic cousin name? :heh:

One of the older VN thoughs was to include Kanon as canon in terms of having Kyon and U1 be related...and thus Nayuki is also related. This was considered to give a source for the nickname "Kyon".

This gets stranger since then since the appearance of the "Special Jammu" in Clannad.

Tuna's (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=76113) been hard at work on that one (http://worldsofharuhi.nkru87.com/wiki/Main_Page), last I read (http://honya-ch.com/2009/02/03/oelvn-worlds-of-haruhi-suzumiya-demo/).

[otai]

...Any particular reason for "Nayuki", or did you just choose it randomly?

The theory is, Nayuki was so devastated by U1 choosing Ayu, she eloped with some guy right out of high school. Kyon, who had a crush on her; simply had a freudian slip when coming up with a name for his "cousin".

[Cat Megex]

The theory is, Nayuki was so devastated by U1 choosing Ayu, she eloped with some guy right out of high school. Kyon, who had a crush on her; simply had a freudian slip when coming up with a name for his "cousin".

Ohhh, I remember that now. XD

[Sherby~]

WELCOME. YOUR ART SKILLS SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

Thank you very much. n____n

[CrowKenobi]

Tuna's (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=76113) been hard at work on that one (http://worldsofharuhi.nkru87.com/wiki/Main_Page), last I read (http://honya-ch.com/2009/02/03/oelvn-worlds-of-haruhi-suzumiya-demo/).But have you read these? (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1453550/TUNAFishisGood) :p

:cool:

[Ithekro]

I think our writer just broke.

[Cat Megex]

I think our writer just broke.

I think so, too. Also, I hereby declare Kadowaka to be King of Anime Company Trolls.

[bpc908]

Second question: Do you like angst as an artistic medium, for storytelling?

Yes I do like it

[Ithekro]

Well...

A. We aren't sure if this is a trolling yet.
B. Even if it was, Kyonko can troll back by gaining popularity as an alternative.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Where be the artists? In times like these you are needed most.

[Sherby~]

Where be the artists? In times like these you are needed most.
....I'm here. What do I need to do? o____o;;

[suyaandsammie]

....I'm here. What do I need to do? o____o;;

Here also!

What happened to him...?

[DJ_RockmanX]

God betrayed him. :rolleyes:

Anyway, the immediate thought on my mind would be Kyonko, Haruki, or anyone from the Seitenkan brigade setting that Newtype issue on fire with a lighter. Or perhaps throwing a whole bunch of them into a burn barrel. Or making a bonfire at the beach. :D

But this requires confirmation of the contents of the article first, so we should wait a while first. :heh:

And if anyone's interested in taking my requests for side projects not directly related to Seitenkan, PM me. :cool:

[Kaisos Erranon]

I'm keeping my sigpic and avi like this for a while. But I'm not crazy anymore.

Maybe.

And that, Danchou, is an excellent idea.


I'll work on more Boredom when I'm in a better mood...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Anyway, the immediate thought on my mind would be Kyonko, Haruki, or anyone from the Seitenkan brigade setting that Newtype issue on fire with a lighter. Or perhaps throwing a whole bunch of them into a burn barrel. Or making a bonfire at the beach. :D

hmm...

*holds up a stack of the Newtype issue*

This is a distraction.

*lights the barrel*

This is a fire in a barrel.

*throws the stack into the barrel*

This is a distraction in a fire in a barrel.


Any questions?

... sorry :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

... sorry :heh:

...I don't get it.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... D2: The Mighty Ducks reference...

[Kaisos Erranon]

... D2: The Mighty Ducks reference...

I remember that movie. I remember it being funny. That's about it.

[Ithekro]

Funny, but not overly quotable.

[DJ_RockmanX]

I actually do remember that scene. Kind of flows like a 4koma. Someone help me set that up.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Funny, but not overly quotable.

Given the fact that A: it's a kids sports movie, and 2: that's the only part I remember, you're probably right :heh:

[dkellis]

Strangely, I'm okay with not having New Haruhi. Possibly this is because my favourite anime of all time is Card Captor Sakura, which will likely never have a sequel (before anyone points it out, Tsubasa Chronicles is so different that it's almost unrelated), and yet my ardour for the series remains undiminished.

This means that I honestly cannot understand the "OMG HATE" etc which I see on the Internet. We've got our series, which is complete enough, and it doesn't matter how old it is or how many new fans it has: if it's good, it's good.

No genderbending attempts from me until next week at the earliest. This week is full of presentations, including over the entire weekend and the first half of the coming week. This interferes with trying to follow the novels with my meagre Japanese skills, especially since I can't seem to access Baka-Tsuki.

[DJ_RockmanX]

The OMG HATE directed at Kadokawa would be due to them stringing everyone by their balls with their underhanded marketing tactics that basically promise everything and have nothing to show for it. It's quite different from doing nothing at all, which is what most fans would deal with in the business of sequel productions. If you have no expectations, then you won't be disappointed as much.

But let's put that aside. We'll chug through the novels at whatever pace is needed.

Meanwhile I think I've got the main plot concept for ANGRY Yuuki in the VN's Alien Route figured out. It may or may not be a good thing that it's influenced by the scene where Vegeta becomes a Super Saiyan.

[beanbrew]

Hope is a but-for cause of disappointment. Don't hope.

[bpc908]

I am still waiting for a job in this project.

[swtrooper42]

Hope is a but-for cause of disappointment. Don't hope.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/470/motivator2637435xl5.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=motivator2637435xl5.jpg)

[beanbrew]

I am still waiting for a job in this project.

You could join my crack team of followers devoted to reducing Kyonko's breast size.;)

Or would that be a CRACK team...?

[HikariNiwa]

You could join my crack team of followers devoted to reducing Kyonko's breast size.;)

Or would that be a CRACK team...?

It's a crack team made of CRACK devoted to reducing Kyonko's breast size Beanbag-san.

[Ithekro]

If you are one of the artists, I'd suggest trying to do a group shot or a genderbent scene to show what you can do. After we have an idea of your style, then we can put talent to use.

[bpc908]

I am not really an artist, I'm more of a writer than a drawer

[otai]

Being used to Kadokawa's jerkiness to Haruhi fans these past 2 year, I wasn't surprised. But it still hurts, you know. Like a girl with an abusive boyfriend, the fans will just keep taking it.

You could join my crack team of followers devoted to reducing Kyonko's breast size.;)

Or would that be a CRACK team...?

How do you reduce a breast size that's already universally regarded as pettan? <chest IMPLODES>

[besieger]

Being used to Kadokawa's jerkiness to Haruhi fans these past 2 year, I wasn't surprised. But it still hurts, you know. Like a girl with an abusive boyfriend, the fans will just keep taking it.



How do you reduce a breast size that's already universally regarded as pettan? <chest implodes>

No, it IMPLODES.

Frankly, given that I don't follow news for series, I'm not even half a pint disappointed.

[Sherby~]

If you are one of the artists, I'd suggest trying to do a group shot or a genderbent scene to show what you can do. After we have an idea of your style, then we can put talent to use.

Well, I did make some Seitenkan drawings a while back. (I posted them on this thread, too.) I think I might've gotten better, though.

Yuuki character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_yuuki.jpg)
Mitsuuru character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_mitsuuru.jpg)
Kyonko character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_kyonko.jpg)
Itsuko character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_itsuko.jpg)
(No Haruki picture yet.)

Seitenkan height lineup (work in progress): [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_heights.jpg)
(Yeah, I know the heights are a little messed up. I'll work on them when I can.)

I even drew the genderbent Computer Club President in cosplay for Day of Sagittarius when that discussion was still going: [x] (http://i33.tinypic.com/a4616a.jpg)

And if you want an example of one of my more recent works, here (http://sherbertkisses.deviantart.com/art/Haruhi-Suzumiya-is-Zero-111414947)'s a Haruhi/Code Geass crossover drawing I finished last week.

Are they good enough? :]

[DJ_RockmanX]

Wow. That was a long time ago. :heh:

We'll take whatever help we can get. It's merely a bonus when the art is good like that. :p

[suyaandsammie]

Well, I did make some Seitenkan drawings a while back. (I posted them on this thread, too.) I think I might've gotten better, though.

Yuuki character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_yuuki.jpg)
Mitsuuru character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_mitsuuru.jpg)
Kyonko character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_kyonko.jpg)
Itsuko character designs: [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_itsuko.jpg)
(No Haruki picture yet.)

Seitenkan height lineup (work in progress): [x] (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/Bubblegum-Pop/Random%20Stuff/Drawings/gb_heights.jpg)
(Yeah, I know the heights are a little messed up. I'll work on them when I can.)

I even drew the genderbent Computer Club President in cosplay for Day of Sagittarius when that discussion was still going: [x] (http://i33.tinypic.com/a4616a.jpg)

And if you want an example of one of my more recent works, here (http://sherbertkisses.deviantart.com/art/Haruhi-Suzumiya-is-Zero-111414947)'s a Haruhi/Code Geass crossover drawing I finished last week.

Are they good enough? :]

Just as I expected Sherby, you are really good! :D
Where did you get those design sheets?

[Sherby~]

Just as I expected Sherby, you are really good! :D
Where did you get those design sheets?

Thanks! n____n

Well, I found some pictures of the original character designs for Haruhi (probably from a magazine or something) on Photobucket, so I just kind of followed that format for making the character designs.

RmX:
Yup. Back in the summer. xD

And thank you very much!

[beanbrew]

It's a crack team made of CRACK devoted to reducing Kyonko's breast size Beanbag-san.

What he said.


He's good. Too good. He's probably trying to overthrow me... Like Starscream and Megatron or something... I need to watch out...

How do you reduce a breast size that's already universally regarded as pettan? <chest IMPLODES>

Some, like Kaisos, want Kyonko to have a Japanese B or so. Then again, Kaisos controls the canon, so we're kinda the losing side. But the underdogs win in the end! Right?

[Ithekro]

Some of us would rather Kyon-chan be average, just like Kyon is considered "average", "nothing special".

[dkellis]

Is Baka-Tsuki loading for anyone? There are a few parts I'm not sure about my translation, and I'd like to double-check before I genderbend.

If you're wondering, I'm working on Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, again. I already posted most of it before, so no surprises; I just wanted to clean it up and get it posted in one shot.

[AerialAce!]

Average would detract from the insane amount of moe Kyonko wields. I'm all for small, against nonexistent.

Page 214 and counting. I've been keeping up with the happenings since I joined, so my goal is still page 675. I'd be catching up a lot faster if people in real life didn't think that everything was more important than a thread on an anime-based forum devoted to reversing the genders of everyone in a particular series.

Not that I disagree, I'm just annoyed at my lack of free time.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Is Baka-Tsuki loading for anyone? There are a few parts I'm not sure about my translation, and I'd like to double-check before I genderbend.

If you're wondering, I'm working on Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, again. I already posted most of it before, so no surprises; I just wanted to clean it up and get it posted in one shot.

It's working fine for me.

@AA!: Again, good luck.

[ijuinkun]

Average would detract from the insane amount of moe Kyonko wields. I'm all for small, against nonexistent.


I think that having Kyonko proportioned about the same as Yuki-chan feels about right, unless you want her to have a complex about it.

[Roger Rambo]

But the underdogs win in the end! Right?
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6476/wrongpz3.jpg

[Ithekro]

Though the underdog in that case is the one that wrote the history books. Be is said that the winner does not always write the history books.

[Joe4evr]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6476/wrongpz3.jpgI don´t really get it. Then again, I´m no good in history.

[Roger Rambo]

I don´t really get it. Then again, I´m no good in history.
On the left signing the paper is General Lee. On the right sitting down with the beard is General Grant of the Union army. General Lee is signing the surrender document making the surrender of the Confederate army to the Union army official. The Confederacy was the under dog of the civil war, because they had less men, less industry, less rail and no ships.

It was for the above reasons that they lost the war, despite having generally superior leadership.

Though the underdog in that case is the one that wrote the history books. Be is said that the winner does not always write the history books.
After the civil war history was written everywhere except the south that the War of the Northern aggression was justified. Until the civil rights movement hit it off, where pretty much everyone thinks the Union was right.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It was for the above reasons that they lost the war, despite having generally superior leadership.

Without adequate equipment and supplies, you will lose the war.

The underdog never wins in real life.

[Cat Megex]

Without adequate equipment and supplies, you will lose the war.

The underdog never wins in real life.

Tactic used to change this: Guerilla warfare.

[HikariNiwa]

Tactic used to change this: Guerilla warfare.

What if both sides use guerilla warfare?

[bpc908]

You could join my crack team of followers devoted to reducing Kyonko's breast size.;)

Or would that be a CRACK team...?

I'd rather have an actual job on the project and if you need any voice actors for the fan dub let me know I could possibly do some voices

[HikariNiwa]

I'd rather have an actual job on the project and if you need any voice actors for the fan dub let me know I could possibly do some voices

Enthusiastic aren't you?

[bpc908]

Enthusiastic aren't you?

Yea pretty much, I love the series and I just want to be have a full part in this project