The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[suyaandsammie]

Damn it, I leave for only a few days and everyone's ready to declare war... I preferred when I came back to, y'know, progress :heh:

Hey! I'm making a bit of progress. I've been drawing haruki pictures for the past few days. However, my skill still hasn't yet completely been regained so I'm a little hesitant to post up anything at all...

Even the one I posted up looks really bad, but that was posted a few days ago. >_<

Though, slowly, but surely it is coming back...

[beanbrew]

Damn it, I leave for only a few days and everyone's ready to declare war... I preferred when I came back to, y'know, progress :heh:

I've been ready to declare war on Outer Cadia for a while now, but I've been laying low. We'd definitely be the underdogs though, so as the Dictator-Fuhrer of the DFC Kyonko Army, I'm giving bpc & d4d the job of researching guerrilla warfare.

...But then again, being Dictator-Fuhrer is nice, but it's not like me and HikariNiwa command much power around here.

[Nanao-kun]

...But then again, being Dictator-Fuhrer is nice, but it's not like me and HikariNiwa command much power around here.

Then all we need to do is go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb. There, problem solved.

I've always wanted to say that.

EDIT: On an off-note, I've been playing Hollow Ataraxia. Too bad I can't read japanese.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Ours is the insane fanbase that will pierce the heavens? :heh:

[DJ_RockmanX]

Ours is the insane fanbase that will pierce the heavens? :heh:

We established this long ago, but we need to do a lot more work to prove it. And no one's been doing any work lately, so...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Hey, if I could figure out what the heck I was thinking about half a year ago with my personal little side project thingie, I'd get right back to work... as it stands, I'm probably better off starting from scratch(especially considering everything related to it aside from like a third of a story is now lost to me due to a dead computer :heh:)


Side note: I just noticed that Haruki's Brigade Leader armband in your sig is on the wrong side... I feel really dumb right now :heh:

[bpc908]

@bpc & d4d: When Kaisos posts his next rewrite, feel free to do edit jobs.

Alright, if there is anything else you want me to do, let me know

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... Now that I've gone back and read it again... yeah, I'd definitely be better off just starting over with it if I wanted to continue... that was really sloppy writing, even for me...

[DJ_RockmanX]

Perhaps you could help me and Kaisos with the VN then?

Although he seems to have disappeared again, and I wasn't able to finish explaining the Alien Route to him...

[Roger Rambo]

I've been ready to declare war on Outer Cadia for a while now, but I've been laying low. We'd definitely be the underdogs though, so as the Dictator-Fuhrer of the DFC Kyonko Army, I'm giving bpc & d4d the job of researching guerrilla warfare.

...But then again, being Dictator-Fuhrer is nice, but it's not like me and HikariNiwa command much power around here.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2342/milleniumtg1.jpg

[Kaisos Erranon]

Although he seems to have disappeared again, and I wasn't able to finish explaining the Alien Route to him...

I don't have the password to the internet at my friend's place, and I've been going over there to play Tales of Vesperia for like 12-13 hours at a time.

God damn that game is awesome.

[beanbrew]

EDIT: On an off-note, I've been playing Hollow Ataraxia. Too bad I can't read japanese.

...So what's the point?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2342/milleniumtg1.jpg

At the same time, doesn't Chaos have a pretty good foothold now? After the 13th Black Crusade? Who in Warhammer 40K are we anyway?

[yggdrasil325]

We established this long ago, but we need to do a lot more work to prove it. And no one's been doing any work lately, so...

We need more SPIRAL POWER!!!!
...
Come to think of it, if I really felt like it, I could explain the entire Haruhi universe using Spiral Power...

[Roger Rambo]

At the same time, doesn't Chaos have a pretty good foothold now? After the 13th Black Crusade? Who in Warhammer 40K are we anyway?
They're also getting the shit bombed out of them from orbit. But point taken.

[ClockWorkAngel]

We gotta be like what the Eldar? Dwindling slowly...

And our "fall" made Kyonko :p, yea that's it!

I think we've lost alot of motivation from the latest blow to our hopes.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Perhaps you could help me and Kaisos with the VN then?

Well my "help" has an unusual tendency to either make things go nowhere or just rub people the wrong way, but I suppose I could try... (note: Sorry if that seemed rude. I really can't think of any other way of putting it :heh:)

We need more SPIRAL POWER!!!!
...
Come to think of it, if I really felt like it, I could explain the entire Haruhi universe using Spiral Power...

Seeing as I've seen Pokémon explained using it, it shouldn't be too hard...

[Ithekro]

Focus.

Bordom of Haruki was in progress...Endless Eight was next I believe.

[beanbrew]

Relocating the 40K discussion to the social group then...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... spoilsport :heh:

[Ithekro]

Wandering a bit far off topic. Not like we have a schedule, but we do have some new people that want to do something, so it best to get at least a little focus back while the opportunity presents itself.

[Nanao-kun]

Wandering a bit far off topic. Not like we have a schedule, but we do have some new people that want to do something, so it best to get at least a little focus back while the opportunity presents itself.

I agree. When was the last time we had any focus besides the recent talk about a VN?

[beanbrew]

April or May?

[Nanao-kun]

It's become slow again it seems.

[Ithekro]

Depression does that it seems.

[yggdrasil325]

I have a question about the VN. Will older Mikuru and older Mitsuru appear at all? About Mitsuru, it seems to me that when the Seitenkan brigade gets dumped into canon world, he'll be cut off from his future, but what's actually going to happen?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Hey, cheer up! Things'll turn out all right, just you wait! The sun is just over the horizon! And other semi-motivational statements.

*e*
@yggdrasil: Adult Mitsuuru most likely won't be showing up. There is no logical reason for him to be displaced in the same manner as the Seitenkan SOS Brigade, as neither Suzumiya is aware of the older Asahinas.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I have a question about the VN. Will older Mikuru and older Mitsuru appear at all? About Mitsuru, it seems to me that when the Seitenkan brigade gets dumped into canon world, he'll be cut off from his future, but what's actually going to happen?

The older Asahinas will appear, yeah.

Every character introduced in both canons before September (excluding Kimidori since she's not important. Yet.) will appear.

Effectively, the Seitenkan brigade have no power in the canon world, as, without Haruki's power supporting them, they're ordinary individuals.


@yggdrasil: Adult Mitsuuru most likely won't be showing up. There is no logical reason for him to be displaced in the same manner as the Seitenkan SOS Brigade, as neither Suzumiya is aware of the older Asahinas.

The Suzumiyas aren't behind the Seitenkan universe collapsing.

[beanbrew]

Depression does that it seems.

Wait, I know why I was depressed, but why was everyone else depressed?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

My mistake then, but there would still be a problem, as the adult Mitsuuru would have to be in the present in order to even show up, what with no longer having access to time travel. *e* Assuming, of course that younger Mitsuuru also lacks the ability

(Note: I also removed something...)

[DJ_RockmanX]

Every character introduced in both canons before September (excluding Kimidori since she's not important. Yet.) will appear.

I still haven't found any way of making her relevant to the Alien Route, as much as I'd like to. But hey, we were able to figure out a way to give Asakura a sub-route, so I'm sure something'll hit us eventually.

Effectively, the Seitenkan brigade have no power in the canon world, as, without Haruki's power supporting them, they're ordinary individuals.

Which has just given me an idea for BB.

The Suzumiyas aren't behind the Seitenkan universe collapsing.

I still think that the explanation we currently have is a bit out there.

Wait, I know why I was depressed, but why was everyone else depressed?

Take a wild guess.

My mistake then, but there would still be a problem, as the adult Mitsuuru would have to be in the present in order to even show up, what with no longer having access to time travel. *e* Assuming, of course that younger Mitsuuru also lacks the ability

Kaisos didn't wanna bother with the explanation, said it was too much hassle. But my preference would be to rationalize stuff as much as possible, so...

[otai]

Wait, I know why I was depressed, but why was everyone else depressed?

It was probably the focus. This here's a CRACK den, using focus makes us lethargic.

I still haven't found any way of making her relevant to the Alien Route, as much as I'd like to. But hey, we were able to figure out a way to give Asakura a sub-route, so I'm sure something'll hit us eventually.

It seems that Kimidori's mission is to keep tabs on their rival groups.

Does the S-SOS count as a rival group? Maybe she sounds the alarm that Yuuki is, say attempting to take over the internet and launch Judgement Day; because she has been monitoring them? To make it even more dramatic, have her pass a dying warning that doesn't adequately prepare Kyon and Yuki for the danger.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I still think that the explanation we currently have is a bit out there.

"Out there" is good though. I like "out there".

We're going to have to come up with some interm explanation in the meantime, since not everyone will even find Hijack and they'll still want answers... Probably some usual technobabble.

Technobabble is good. I like technobabble.


Kaisos didn't wanna bother with the explanation, said it was too much hassle. But my preference would be to rationalize stuff as much as possible, so...

Wasn't my suggestion...

Big Mitsuuru coming up with some absurd explanation involving time planes and "reality shifts" and such?

And then Kyon calls him on it, and then BM just admits he has no fucking clue how it happened.

Defied tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DefiedTrope) are good. I like defied tropes.


Does the S-SOS count as a rival group? Maybe she sounds the alarm that Yuuki is, say attempting to take over the internet and launch Judgement Day; because she has been monitoring them? To make it even more dramatic, have her pass a dying warning that doesn't adequately prepare Kyon and Yuki for the danger.

This is amusing.

Now the problem is to work Male Kimidori in somehow.

The problem being that no one's ever really gotten to Mysterique Sign and given him a personality yet...


Another, general problem is that Kyon has no idea who Kimidori really is until Editor-in-Chief, which is really why I don't want to include her.

[DJ_RockmanX]

"Out there" is good though. I like "out there".

We're going to have to come up with some interm explanation in the meantime, since not everyone will even find Hijack and they'll still want answers... Probably some usual technobabble.

Technobabble is good. I like technobabble.

I like technobabble too. But out there is still out there.

Wasn't my suggestion...

Big Mitsuuru coming up with some absurd explanation involving time planes and "reality shifts" and such?

And then Kyon calls him on it, and then BM just admits he has no fucking clue how it happened.

Defied tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DefiedTrope) are good. I like defied tropes.

That's essentially the same thing except justifying it with funny.

This is amusing.

Now the problem is to work Male Kimidori in somehow.

Thrown into limbo and just got lucky like BM?

The problem being that no one's ever really gotten to Mysterique Sign and given him a personality yet...


Another, general problem is that Kyon has no idea who Kimidori really is until Editor-in-Chief, which is really why I don't want to include her.

Good point.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I like technobabble too. But out there is still out there.

But it's so awesome. And hilarious. And by hilarious I mean somewhat terrifying.


That's essentially the same thing except justifying it with funny.

And that is exactly why it is acceptable.


Thrown into limbo and just got lucky like BM?

Pulling that one twice is probably a bad idea.

[otai]

Big Mitsuuru coming up with some absurd explanation involving time planes and "reality shifts" and such?

And then Kyon calls him on it, and then BM just admits he has no fucking clue how it happened.

Defied tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DefiedTrope) are good. I like defied tropes.


Big Mitsuuru should have some macho posturing when dealing with male Kyon.

"Yeah, I could tell you the theory; but you really need a degree in Grand-Unified-Theory Studies and 4-Dimensional Temporal Mathemathics to actually understand it."

This is amusing.

Now the problem is to work Male Kimidori in somehow.

The problem being that no one's ever really gotten to Mysterique Sign and given him a personality yet...


Another, general problem is that Kyon has no idea who Kimidori really is until Editor-in-Chief, which is really why I don't want to include her.

He does suspect though; she pretended to be the computer club president's girlfriend and Yuki seemed to know her.

My favourite is idea is that Yuuki reprogramed Female Kimidori into Male Kimidori to serve as his Dragon, complete with Agent Smith style body takeover. Or Male Kimidori could have simply followed them through the dimension gate before it closed.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Big Mitsuuru should have some macho posturing when dealing with male Kyon.

"Yeah, I could tell you the theory; but you really need a degree in Grand-Unified-Theory Studies and 4-Dimensional Temporal Mathemathics to actually understand it."



He does suspect though; she pretended to be the computer club president's girlfriend and Yuki seemed to know her.

My favourite is idea is that Yuuki reprogramed Female Kimidori into Male Kimidori to serve as his Dragon, complete with Agent Smith style body takeover. Or Male Kimidori could have simply followed them through the dimension gate before it closed.

Why are you such a repository of good ideas?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Big Mitsuuru should have some macho posturing when dealing with male Kyon.

"Yeah, I could tell you the theory; but you really need a degree in Grand-Unified-Theory Studies and 4-Dimensional Temporal Mathemathics to actually understand it."

The weird poses he makes probably seal the deal for Kyon calling him out.

He does suspect though; she pretended to be the computer club president's girlfriend and Yuki seemed to know her.

My favourite is idea is that Yuuki reprogramed Female Kimidori into Male Kimidori to serve as his Dragon, complete with Agent Smith style body takeover. Or Male Kimidori could have simply followed them through the dimension gate before it closed.

We can probably do something with Agent Smith body takeovers, but the dimension gate ain't gonna work, since I'm positive that he was caught up in universe's collapse. But that's basically what happened to Ryou too, so rebuilding him isn't out of the question. Just that using ideas more than once is something we're trying to avoid.

But before all of this we'd have to make Female Kimidori relevant too.

Why are you such a repository of good ideas?

Everyone on this thread is awesome in some way.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

The problem being that no one's ever really gotten to Mysterique Sign and given him a personality yet...

Well, technically I covered it, but I'd highly suggest not looking to it for any inspiration... but if you really need a personality, we have to look at pretty much everything we could know.

Kimidori pretended to be the boyfriend of the CCP, is basically around to keep tabs on people, and there's the hint that Kimidori may or may not have been working at one of the restaurants the Brigade frequents. So, I'm thinking "creepy stalker guy" would be a nice starting point :heh:

[otai]

Why are you such a repository of good ideas?
Thanks. I credit my years of consumption of all kinds of popular culture to the detriment of my school grades.

We can probably do something with Agent Smith body takeovers, but the dimension gate ain't gonna work, since I'm positive that he was caught up in universe's collapse. But that's basically what happened to Ryou too, so rebuilding him isn't out of the question. Just that using ideas more than once is something we're trying to avoid.

But before all of this we'd have to make Female Kimidori relevant too.

Well, do we want a Kimidori path, sub-path, or simply major/minor role in the Alien path? We could put cameos everywhere, but giving every character 15 mins will be too much work.

My idea is that Ryou was materialized by Ryouko to pair up as the stabby twins. Kimidori is the girl reprogrammed into evil creepy bishounen ala Dilandau(Escaflowne).

[Cat Megex]

My idea is that Ryou was materialized by Ryouko to pair up as the stabby twins. Kimidori is the girl reprogrammed into evil creepy bishounen ala Dilandau(Escaflowne).

(Why did you spoiler that?)

Going the Dilandau route... would there be parts where the original programming attempts to resurface as well, then?

[Joe4evr]

"Yeah, I could tell you the theory; but you really need a degree in Grand-Unified-Theory Studies and 4-Dimensional Temporal Mathemathics to actually understand it."To paraphrase Kaisos: "Grand Unified Theories (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/GrandUnifyingGuesses) are good. I like Grand Unified Theories."

Still, a proper explanation of how Big Mitsuru got there would be nice. If that doesn't work, you can always avert the entire thing by not including him in the first place.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Still, a proper explanation of how Big Mitsuru got there would be nice. If that doesn't work, you can always avert the entire thing by not including him in the first place.

He's too cool to not include.

And I'll probably come up with some half-assed explanation. Probably involving the real villains.


Well, do we want a Kimidori path, sub-path, or simply major/minor role in the Alien path? We could put cameos everywhere, but giving every character 15 mins will be too much work.

Probably a role in the Ryoko subroute of the Alien Path. Kimidori's not interesting enough to get her own subpath.

I do like the Agent Smith thing though. Reminds me of True Assassin.


Kimidori pretended to be the boyfriend of the CCP, is basically around to keep tabs on people, and there's the hint that Kimidori may or may not have been working at one of the restaurants the Brigade frequents. So, I'm thinking "creepy stalker guy" would be a nice starting point :heh:

That's a very good idea. I love it.

[DJ_RockmanX]

He's too cool to not include.

And I'll probably come up with some half-assed explanation. Probably involving the real villains.

I think I've come up with something remotely related.

Probably a role in the Ryoko subroute of the Alien Path. Kimidori's not interesting enough to get her own subpath.

I do like the Agent Smith thing though. Reminds me of True Assassin.

I might have found a way to incorporate Agent Smith assimilation with the recreation of Male Kimidori, using information from Yuuki's data banks and Female Kimidori as a base.

That's a very good idea. I love it.

I can probably use that idea too.

[otai]

(Why did you spoiler that?)

Going the Dilandau route... would there be parts where the original programming attempts to resurface as well, then?
Well, some fangirls still have trouble accepting that Sheik is actually Zelda.

Well, that's the way most stories usually go, but we don't have much to go on for the "original" programming...


He's too cool to not include.

And I'll probably come up with some half-assed explanation. Probably involving the real villains.

Ok, how about this: BM was back in 3 years ago when he detected that the world has ended September 3 years later. Using his TPDD, he is able to follow SM into the different dimension because they are both different ends of the same world line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line). Due to their undetermined quantum state of the S-SOS wavefunctions, you could not say that they have "travelled" to another dimension, so much as "changed" to another dimension; so wherever SM is, BM can follow. The idea came from Heinlein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-Line).

[beanbrew]

Take a wild guess.

Their grandmother died. They didn't get into the school they wanted to go to. They have too much work. They just sent an email to the girl that they like detailing their exact thoughts at the moment and realized that they were incredibly unclear, rambling, and later got confirmation that she did get the wrong impression, and you just realized that some things that you do could be regarded as pretty creepy. And they should have waited a day to send it since if they had, they could have used being drunk as an excuse... Uh... Their grandfather died?

I have no clue.

[dkellis]

Haruki put aside the chalk-drawing machine, and rubbed off the chalk on his face with his shoulders. "This should do."

I began to feel uneasy. Did I say something I wasn't supposed to?

Haruki looked up at me and said, "That's a North High uniform, right?"

"Yeah."

"What's your name?"

"Doraemon."

"... are you an idiot?"

(*stabs hands, eats keyboard*)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I might have found a way to incorporate Agent Smith assimilation with the recreation of Male Kimidori, using information from Yuuki's data banks and Female Kimidori as a base.

That oddly makes sense.

I'm just going to assume that there's a reason behind Yuuki regaining his abilities...

Well, some fangirls still have trouble accepting that Sheik is actually Zelda.

I still have trouble accepting the fact that there were gamers that were actually fooled by that disguise.

Haruki put aside the chalk-drawing machine, and rubbed off the chalk on his face with his shoulders. "This should do."

I began to feel uneasy. Did I say something I wasn't supposed to?

Haruki looked up at me and said, "That's a North High uniform, right?"

"Yeah."

"What's your name?"

"Doraemon."

"... are you an idiot?"

(*stabs hands, eats keyboard*)

... okay, that's pretty funny :heh:

[ijuinkun]

LOL

Anyway, as long as Big Mitsuru was already in the time frame when the Seitenkan universe was starting to collapse, then he should have had ample opportunity to escape, since he would essentially be approaching the collapse from the "past" direction like ordinary people, and would thus not be in the "cut off" future portion.

Note that so far in the Haruhi series we have had no indications that time travelers suffer from the problem of No Ontological Inertia (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoOntologicalInertia), therefore a time traveling Big Mitsuru would not cease to exist from having his past erased--he would have to be killed at the END of his life like any non-time-traveler.

To digress a little, Tanigawa had asked fans to ponder a bit on what the name TPDD really means ("Time Plane Destroyed Device"--or in more grammatically-correct English, probably something like "Time Plane Destruction Device"). According to the theory of time described by Mikuru, time is like a movie, with each "plane" corresponding to a movie frame, separated from its neighbors by the briefest of instants. A time traveler is like pasting a fragment from another frame onto a given frame, so that both are shown together. However, how do you pull somebody OUT of a frame? That is where I think the "Destruction" part comes in--the TPDD forcibly grabs whatever is within its effect field (and the fact that Mikuru can carry at least two passengers--Yuki and Kyon--at once, is proof that the field can be extended to a radius of nearly a meter at least) and wrenches it free from the normal motion in time. This action completely shatters the time plane that the TPDD is departing from, but as the spacing of time planes is on the order of the Planck Time, and there are about 5 x 10^44 (five hundred million trillion trillion trillion) units of Planck Time in a single second--i.e. about as many as there atoms in the whole Earth, then one lost time plane is about as notable as the loss of one atom from the Earth--in other words, undetectable unless you are scanning for it.

[DJ_RockmanX]

I have no clue.

Keep workin' on that guess.

Haruki put aside the chalk-drawing machine, and rubbed off the chalk on his face with his shoulders. "This should do."

I began to feel uneasy. Did I say something I wasn't supposed to?

Haruki looked up at me and said, "That's a North High uniform, right?"

"Yeah."

"What's your name?"

"Doraemon."

"... are you an idiot?"

(*stabs hands, eats keyboard*)

Nice.

That oddly makes sense.

I'm just going to assume that there's a reason behind Yuuki regaining his abilities...

Of course there is.

Ok, how about this: BM was back in 3 years ago when he detected that the world has ended September 3 years later. Using his TPDD, he is able to follow SM into the different dimension because they are both different ends of the same world line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line). Due to their undetermined quantum state of the S-SOS wavefunctions, you could not say that they have "travelled" to another dimension, so much as "changed" to another dimension; so wherever SM is, BM can follow. The idea came from Heinlein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-Line).

Anyway, as long as Big Mitsuru was already in the time frame when the Seitenkan universe was starting to collapse, then he should have had ample opportunity to escape, since he would essentially be approaching the collapse from the "past" direction like ordinary people, and would thus not be in the "cut off" future portion.

Thanks to you guys, I was able to write the backstory to Big Mitsuru's entrance in the Time Traveller Route.

[dkellis]

On a tangent, I probably have more free time than before to work on genderbending now, because the Nanoha OC people told me to get lost.

After watching the Haruhi-chan short, I've had weird mental images of Kyonko-tan. Riding around on Haruki's head. Or should it be the other way around?

[beanbrew]

On a tangent, I probably have more free time than before to work on genderbending now, because the Nanoha OC people told me to get lost.

So is it too late to ask you to be our spy? We're gonna need good intel for an operation that big.

[dkellis]

So is it too late to ask you to be our spy? We're gonna need good intel for an operation that big.

It's a long story. To sum up, it's a conflict of personalities: I don't like how some of them act, they don't like how I act, and nothing is going to change our minds, so I was told to go away, and I did. It has nothing to do with the stated topic of Nanoha-verse OCs, but I just feel that staying on and getting on each others' nerves would be counter-productive. I left about a couple of weeks ago.

Obviously I don't think I'm in the wrong, and they also probably don't think that they're in the wrong, but it's all personal opinions, and highly subjective. I could go on a long tirade about how my actions were justified, but without their side of the story, it'll be unfair to them.

The upshot is that while I'm still going to be working on my stories from there, they won't be under any time constraints, and I can prioritize Seitenkan, since people are going to be waiting for it.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

We're more important than them anyway. :heh:

[Cat Megex]

After watching the Haruhi-chan short, I've had weird mental images of Kyonko-tan. Riding around on Haruki's head. Or should it be the other way around?

Technically it should be the other way around... but dammit, Kyonko-tan would be awesome.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Technically it should be the other way around... but dammit, Kyonko-tan would be awesome.

And now I'm imagining her screaming "URUCHAI URUCHAI URUCHAI". Great.


You know, Kugimiya wouldn't be a bad Kyonko in some ways. Just not with the bloody Shana voice.

[DJ_RockmanX]

After watching the Haruhi-chan short, I've had weird mental images of Kyonko-tan. Riding around on Haruki's head. Or should it be the other way around?

Could work either way. But traditionally it's a girl riding on a guy's head. What we would need to determine is how Haruki and the others will respond to the chibified ponytail girl.

So is it too late to ask you to be our spy? We're gonna need good intel for an operation that big.

The operation is no go until we have the munitions to take them on. And the only things that I think would qualify as sufficient would be continuation of the novel rewrites chronologically up to at least the prologue of Disappearance, or completing the first 7 days for the Tsuji VN.

It's a long story. To sum up, it's a conflict of personalities: I don't like how some of them act, they don't like how I act, and nothing is going to change our minds, so I was told to go away, and I did. It has nothing to do with the stated topic of Nanoha-verse OCs, but I just feel that staying on and getting on each others' nerves would be counter-productive. I left about a couple of weeks ago.

Obviously I don't think I'm in the wrong, and they also probably don't think that they're in the wrong, but it's all personal opinions, and highly subjective. I could go on a long tirade about how my actions were justified, but without their side of the story, it'll be unfair to them.

It happens.

The upshot is that while I'm still going to be working on my stories from there, they won't be under any time constraints, and I can prioritize Seitenkan, since people are going to be waiting for it.

Looking forward to it.

We're more important than them anyway. :heh:

Amen to that.

Technically it should be the other way around... but dammit, Kyonko-tan would be awesome.

Haruki would be annoying as hell if he got chibified. Well that's how I see it anyway.

But then there's the possibility of chibified Yuuki and Mitsuru. And those would probably be funny.

And now I'm imagining her screaming "URUCHAI URUCHAI URUCHAI". Great.

Tried, but like Index-tan, didn't quite work. But I'm sure there's an equivalent somewhere out there.

You know, Kugimiya wouldn't be a bad Kyonko in some ways. Just not with the bloody Shana voice.

The voice of Kyonko will never be known until we can get a lineup of top notch seiyuu talent to audition for the part.

[otai]

Female chibi characters are more moe, but Haruki is not enough of straight man to make the funny work. He'd probably stuff her in a bag and take her home, or put her through cosplay hell.

Haruki-chan riding on Kyonko's head. More likely, he'd be clinging on her ponytail while she tries to shake him off. :D

[dkellis]

"This is only temporary," Nagato said.

I don't care if it's temporary, it's still a huge problem! You can't just sit on my head quietly reading a book like nothing is wrong! More to the point, where did you get a book that small anyway?

The most important thing to do now is to hide Nagato, before that idiot comes in and makes a fuss.

"Yo, Kyonko!"

Speak of the devil, and the demon king will arrive.

Haruki lazily tossed his bag onto the floor, and flopped into the brigade commander's chair. "Ah, it's so hot today. What, nobody else is here yet?"

Looks like he hasn't noticed the tiny Nagato sitting on my head yet. Maybe Nagato is putting up some sort of invisibility field?

"Asahina-sempai said he had some class meeting or something. I don't know where Itsuko and Nagato-san are."

"What are you talking about? Isn't Yuuki right there on your head?"

No reaction?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

"This is only temporary," Nagato said.

I don't care if it's temporary, it's still a huge problem! You can't just sit on my head quietly reading a book like nothing is wrong! More to the point, where did you get a book that small anyway?

The most important thing to do now is to hide Nagato, before that idiot comes in and makes a fuss.

"Yo, Kyonko!"

Speak of the devil, and the demon king will arrive.

Haruki lazily tossed his bag onto the floor, and flopped into the brigade commander's chair. "Ah, it's so hot today. What, nobody else is here yet?"

Looks like he hasn't noticed the tiny Nagato sitting on my head yet. Maybe Nagato is putting up some sort of invisibility field?

"Asahina-sempai said he had some class meeting or something. I don't know where Itsuko and Nagato-san are."

"What are you talking about? Isn't Yuuki right there on your head?"

No reaction?

That sounds about right :heh:



Anyway, as for how things would happen with chibi-Kyonko... otai has a good starting point, but for full effect it'd have to be done in front of the other brigade members, where Mitsuuru would enter panic mode, Itsuko would just smile and say something that doesn't matter and Yuuki... would read his book. All while Kyonko is complaining about no one helping out.

[Kaisos Erranon]

*snip*

Why are you so awesome?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Awesome doesn't need a reason; the awesome is its own reason. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why dkellis is awesome.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Whatever the case may be, we need to put the awesome to good use.

[beanbrew]

Whatever the case may be, we need to put the awesome to good use.

By eating it? I'm kinda hungry right now...

[DJ_RockmanX]

By eating it? I'm kinda hungry right now...

I was thinking along the lines of novel rewrites, the Tsuji VN, or attacking the foundations of Outer Cadia.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Or a combination, if at all possible.

[Cat Megex]

Hm...Well, as Kaisos seems to be needing his Jun Fukuyama fix, I'm going to once again suggest him as a possibility for VA for Mitsuuru; he'd use his shouta voice for Mitsuuru (small), and his Lelouch voice for Mitsuuru (big).

[DJ_RockmanX]

Or a combination, if at all possible.

They're pretty independent of each other.

Hm...Well, as Kaisos seems to be needing his Jun Fukuyama fix,

When did this happen?

I'm going to once again suggest him as a possibility for VA for Mitsuuru; he'd use his shouta voice for Mitsuuru (small), and his Lelouch voice for Mitsuuru (big).

Thankfully, my brain can't imagine the idea very well.

[Cat Megex]

When did this happen?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2219867&postcount=721

[DJ_RockmanX]

Should have figured.

[otai]

Danchou, don't you have a battle plan to deploy our awesome? Maybe a MTOE?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Perhaps I'll have something figured out before the one year mark hits.

But for now the general plan is the same as always:

1. Work on the novel rewrites.
2. Spread Seitenkan to other series (where applicable and not eye cancer inducing).
3. Plan activities for the Joint-SOS Tsuji Cosplay Brigade.
4. Create a Tsuji VN.

The top priority for #1 would be to get Volume 1 all on to Baka-Tsuki by March 2nd, so that to the public it looks like we finished before a year passed. :rolleyes:

#2 is where the warmongering one would get his wish to declare war on Outer Cadia, should we pursue the dangerous proposition of genderbending a certain pair of moe idols. Shana-kun and other such side projects are in this category as well.

The Fate/stay night cosplay project is the only example for #3 at the moment, and it's hit a snag until we can get more artists to take a stab at it. (Props to Sherby for taking a shot at Kyonko Lily.)

And Kaisos and I are still trying to put #4 together. We'll be posting more on that when we think there's enough content ready for discussion.

[otai]

#1 Where are the editors anyway?

#2 Really, this should be the job for the seitenkan board; but it's used mostly for CRACK that's even more potent than what we got here. Let's start a new thread there, for the purpose of thin-slicing new anime for seitenkan evaluation purposes.

We may be targeting the Outer Cadians, but by changing /u/ to /y/, we may also have to face an angry Legion. Things could get ugly.

#3 Artists, yeah. Not much you could do about that; and you'd want any artists you do find to concept sketch the VN.

#4 Good luck with that.

[DannyCat]

Applicable!

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9092/llcclj2.jpg

[Kaisos Erranon]

Hm...Well, as Kaisos seems to be needing his Jun Fukuyama fix, I'm going to once again suggest him as a possibility for VA for Mitsuuru; he'd use his shouta voice for Mitsuuru (small), and his Lelouch voice for Mitsuuru (big).

I can imagine the shouta voice for little Mitsuuru, but it's difficult to imagine that voice for Big Mitsuuru. Unless you actually meant the Lulu voice rather than the "WATASHI WA ZERO DESU" voice.

Applicable!

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9092/llcclj2.jpg

No, no it really isn't.

[Ithekro]

Canon plot related genderbending doesn't quite fit the mold like everything else.

For Matsuuru: How girly do you want his shota voice? And what is your imagination for an adult voice. Are we taking trap-like voice (Mako-chan/Rika Morinaga level), or something else? or are you looking for Tetsuya Kakihara levels?

[Kaisos Erranon]

For Matsuuru: How girly do you want his shota voice? And what is your imagination for an adult voice. Are we taking trap-like voice (Mako-chan/Rika Morinaga level), or something else? or are you looking for Tetsuya Kakihara levels?

Kakihara sounds... odd... at times... besides, he's more of a fit for Tsuruya-kun.

[DannyCat]

No, no it really isn't.Yeah, I know; the rest of the characters are a bit more complex to work with. I just wanted to use that picture. ;)

[DJ_RockmanX]

#1 Where are the editors anyway?

God knows where they all disappeared to.

#2 Really, this should be the job for the seitenkan board; but it's used mostly for CRACK that's even more potent than what we got here. Let's start a new thread there, for the purpose of thin-slicing new anime for seitenkan evaluation purposes.

I know. I've been wanting to do that for the longest time, but only recently did we acquire the capability for multiple threads in the social groups. I should get to that soon.

We may be targeting the Outer Cadians, but by changing /u/ to /y/, we may also have to face an angry Legion. Things could get ugly.

I really don't want the /y/ part, but Kaisos has LOGIC on his side. :rolleyes:

#3 Artists, yeah. Not much you could do about that; and you'd want any artists you do find to concept sketch the VN.

I think concept sketches for the VN are much harder than just crossovers. :heh:

#4 Good luck with that.

Thanks.

[Cat Megex]

I can imagine the shouta voice for little Mitsuuru, but it's difficult to imagine that voice for Big Mitsuuru. Unless you actually meant the Lulu voice rather than the "WATASHI WA ZERO DESU" voice.

I meant the Lulu voice.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I meant the Lulu voice.

Okay, that's significantly less silly then.

[CrowKenobi]

And if the Lulu voice is too much, how about his Craft Lawrence voice? ;)

:cool:

[Kaisos Erranon]

And if the Lulu voice is too much, how about his Craft Lawrence voice? ;)

:cool:

That's like him switching back and forth between the Lulu voice and the Zero voice.

[beanbrew]

That's like him switching back and forth between the Lulu voice and the Zero voice.

Which sounds awesome, but strange.

[DJ_RockmanX]

You know, we ought to compile that seiyuu wishlist again and put it on the group board as another thread discussion. We can have nominate potential voices and provide character examples and such over there.

[otai]

Considering how much of a chessmaster manipulator BM is implied to be, that fits very well. But I'd kind of like to hear Noto Mamiko's shota-rape scream from Mitsuuru.

[Cat Megex]

But i'd kind of like to hear noto mamiko's shota-rape scream from mitsuuru.

...FFFF. Can't unhear. o_o

[Ithekro]

A Noto shota....Heh heh heh...

While some don't want the original cast involved, I still want to have some parts with the original cast used...just in other rolls. The more I hear Minori Chihara's Chiaki Minami I think she can pull off Kyonko. But then I I recall I gave a huge list (some hundreds of pages ago) of who could be in several rolls, depending on how people wanted them played. Most of the Japanese made videos that have voicing have been trying to use an Haruhi (Aya) voice for Kyonko and that one doesn't feel right.

[Cat Megex]

Most of the Japanese made videos that have voicing have been trying to use an Haruhi (Aya) voice for Kyonko and that one doesn't feel right.

And the english ones I've heard have used a voice similar to the English dub voice for Haruhi (which, again, doesn't feel right). XD

[Kaisos Erranon]

I'm still up for nominating Emiri Katou or Yui Horie...

[Joe4evr]

Emiri Katou sounds awesome for Kyonko, I'd almost want to pay to hear it.

[Ithekro]

Emiri Katou I could see (well hear), but it depends on just how you want Kyonko's outbusts to sound verse her inner thoughts and normal voice.

Hoochan tends to be better used if you want to have some sort of nonsense cute phrase voice added into the character. She can do other stuff, but I still hear Ayu and Hanyuu even when she's doing Minorin. (I think that was intentional though...since I think we got a full on "Uguu~" at one point, plus one or two other things.)

[Kaisos Erranon]

Hoochan tends to be better used if you want to have some sort of nonsense cute phrase voice added into the character. She can do other stuff, but I still hear Ayu and Hanyuu even when she's doing Minorin. (I think that was intentional though...since I think we got a full on "Uguu~" at one point, plus one or two other things.)

Her tsundere voice is more what I mean... ever seen School Rumble? Her role there would be a good basis for a Kyonko voice.

Oddly, I hear her Fatina whenever I hear Minorin for some reason...

[Fran~]

Emiri Katou sounds awesome for Kyonko, I'd almost want to pay to hear it.

That's perfect... considering the "Kagamin" fact and how Kyon and Kagamin plays almost the same role in Haruhi and Lucky Star.

[DJ_RockmanX]

...social group...separate discussion...anyone...?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It's hard to stop the CRACK...

[beanbrew]

While I may not be addicted to the CRACK, it does help when I'm coming down from what I am addicted to.

Edit: ...which is completely legal, and not actually any kind of physical substance. I just like looking at someone.

[otai]

.... but CRACK can be diverted. It feels a bit quiet here. Any progress on any Haruhi projects? No?

OK, let's put some CRACK back in here. It occured to me that in 'Where Did the Cat Go?', Itsuko made a male cat look like a female cat... ouch.

[dkellis]

I don't really know how much of that was Koizumi Doing Stuff to the decoy cat, and how much was Kyon(ko) being clueless about feline anatomy. (Even though it should be fairly obvious.)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Kyon never really paid much attention to Shami/Shami-ni, which is why the deception worked so well. Itsuki even stated that he was afraid either Kyon or his sister would've noticed immediately that it was a different cat.

[Ithekro]

So how long until stuff starts coming out for Haruki-chan and Churaya-kun

[Kaisos Erranon]

Haruki hurting himself through his hyperactivity isn't nearly as funny as Haruhi doing so.

Relatedly, Haruki throwing Kyonko in front of a moving vehicle really isn't funny.

Well, it is, but not nearly as funny as the original...


And Churuya-kun... no, just no.

[DannyCat]

And Churuya-kun... no, just no.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1718/murray.jpg

[Kaisos Erranon]

Okay, that's much funnier than it should be. I've changed my mind.

[CrowKenobi]

Okay, that's much funnier than it should be. I've changed my mind.Yeah, the 'Bible Black' faces add a whole new dimension to it! :heh: :p

:cool:

[DJ_RockmanX]

From the March 2009 Shounen Ace:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4708/090313.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090313.jpg) http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2841/090314.th.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090314.jpg)

Nagato. Why so mysterious?

[Cat Megex]

From the March 2009 Shounen Ace:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4708/090313.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090313.jpg) http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2841/090314.th.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090314.jpg)

Nagato. Why so mysterious?

Wait...so...Haruhi put her hair in a ponytail, then Mikuru (who also has a ponytail) spilled something on Kyon that is now causing him to see everyone with ponytails? (I thought Yuki was Kyonko at first. ;>_> )

[DJ_RockmanX]

We need an actual translation, but it looks like it was intentional that everyone was in a ponytail.

The question is why everyone decided to play to Kyon's moe preferences on Valentine's Day, and why Yuki introduced herself as a "mysterious girl".

[dkellis]

From the March 2009 Shounen Ace:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4708/090313.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090313.jpg) http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2841/090314.th.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=090314.jpg)

Nagato. Why so mysterious?

Blind Idiot Translation (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlindIdiotTranslation):


1: Valentine
1-1
Caption: February 14, after class, SOS Brigade clubroom

Haruhi: I think love comedies are not good enough!

1-2
Kyon: Is that something you just have to shout out?

Haruhi: YES! That's what this Valentine's Day event is about! (Note: the word is literally "liver", which can mean something like "guts" or "gall" or "chutzpah". So she says "Because that is this time's Valentine event's liver!" I have no idea how to translate that.)

1-3
Haruhi: Well, I can try out this "love" thing once in a while, I suppose. (Note: Extremely rough translation. Here is where being Chinese is a disadvantage: I understand the kanji, but the "nishitemireba" bit is unfamiliar.)

1-4
Haruhi: That's why I'm doing this for you!

Kyon: ... huh? Has it started already?


2: The tsundere and the dojikko
2-1
Haruhi: It's handmade, you know!

Kyon: Are your words some kind of repartee? (Note: "REPAATORII"? I don't know.)

2-2
Haruhi: Of course not!

Mikuru: Kyon-kun~

2-3
Mikuru: Ah!?

2-4
Mikuru: I made this chocolate fondue for Kyon-kun... (Note: the bit in parentheses is "read like a rod" or something. Help?)

Haruhi: Mikuru's a dojikko after all!

Kyon: That was on purpose!


3: Mysterious girl
3-1
Yuki: Today I am a mysterious girl.

Kyon: I see...

3-2
Yuki: If I don't say weird things, that might be too difficult. (Note: I think. "Denpa-teki" literally means "like electric waves", which I'm assuming to mean "weird" like how Yuki usually talks.)

Kyon: Ha...

3-3
Yuki: This is similarly ??? and ??? made chocolate... (Note: I'm sorry, I can't read kanji which has coalesced into one black square.)

Kyon: So weird!

3-4
Yuki: I'll leave ??? to you. (Note: See above about black-square kanji. Really, I'd do better with a clearer scan.)

Kyon: Nagato's words are really scary...


4: Openly honest
4-1
Koizumi: I'm Koizumi.

Kyon: Even scarier! Why?

4-2
Koizumi: Haha, I will tell you why Suzumiya-san is doing this...

4-3
Koizumi: Well, I am an honest person... I cannot disobey Suzumiya-san's orders without maximum backup. Anyway... (Note: I'm guessing here. Koizumi's speech patterns are really complicated, as the "blah blah" onomatopoeia in the background indicates.)

4-4
Koizumi: Please honestly accept these chocolates!

Kyon: I don't want them!

[Cat Megex]

Blind Idiot Translation (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlindIdiotTranslation):


1: Valentine
1-1
Caption: February 14, after class, SOS Brigade clubroom

Haruhi: I think love comedies are not good enough!

1-2
Kyon: Is that something you just have to shout out?

Haruhi: YES! That's what this Valentine's Day event is about! (Note: the word is literally "liver", which can mean something like "guts" or "gall" or "chutzpah". So she says "Because that is this time's Valentine event's liver!" I have no idea how to translate that.)

1-3
Haruhi: Well, I can try out this "love" thing once in a while, I suppose. (Note: Extremely rough translation. Here is where being Chinese is a disadvantage: I understand the kanji, but the "nishitemireba" bit is unfamiliar.)

1-4
Haruhi: That's why I'm doing this for you!

Kyon: ... huh? Has it started already?


2: The tsundere and the dojikko
2-1
Haruhi: It's handmade, you know!

Kyon: Are your words some kind of repartee? (Note: "REPAATORII"? I don't know.)

2-2
Haruhi: Of course not!

Mikuru: Kyon-kun~

2-3
Mikuru: Ah!?

2-4
Mikuru: I made this chocolate fondue for Kyon-kun... (Note: the bit in parentheses is "read like a rod" or something. Help?)

Haruhi: Mikuru's a dojikko after all!

Kyon: That was on purpose!


3: Mysterious girl
3-1
Yuki: Today I am a mysterious girl.

Kyon: I see...

3-2
Yuki: If I don't say weird things, that might be too difficult. (Note: I think. "Denpa-teki" literally means "like electric waves", which I'm assuming to mean "weird" like how Yuki usually talks.)

Kyon: Ha...

3-3
Yuki: This is similarly ??? and ??? made chocolate... (Note: I'm sorry, I can't read kanji which has coalesced into one black square.)

Kyon: So weird!

3-4
Yuki: I'll leave ??? to you. (Note: See above about black-square kanji. Really, I'd do better with a clearer scan.)

Kyon: Nagato's words are really scary...


4: Openly honest
4-1
Koizumi: I'm Koizumi.

Kyon: Even scarier! Why?

4-2
Koizumi: Haha, I will tell you why Suzumiya-san is doing this...

4-3
Koizumi: Well, I am an honest person... I cannot disobey Suzumiya-san's orders without maximum backup. Anyway... (Note: I'm guessing here. Koizumi's speech patterns are really complicated, as the "blah blah" onomatopoeia in the background indicates.)

4-4
Koizumi: Please honestly accept these chocolates!

Kyon: I don't want them!


...Dammit dkellis, you made me lose forty-five minutes over at TVTropes.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... aside from Nagato-with-a-ponytail's resemblance to Kyonko, what does this have to do with Seitenkan?

[DJ_RockmanX]

That's about it. Just her cosplaying a "mysterious girl". Yeah. :rolleyes:

Hopefully KyoAni doesn't get to this part of Haruhi-chan. Odds are pretty good that they won't, considering that this is from the most recent publication of Shounen Ace.

What I DO wish they'd adapt would be stuff like this:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7241/sapilautharuhichan16016.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sapilautharuhichan16016.jpg)

Gives me tons of ideas for Itsuki/Itsuko's backstory.

[Joe4evr]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7241/sapilautharuhichan16016.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sapilautharuhichan16016.jpg)

Gives me tons of ideas for Itsuki/Itsuko's backstory.Wow, got a full version of that?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Wow, got a full version of that?

You asked for it:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7192/sapilautharuhichan162.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sapilautharuhichan162.jpg)

[Cat Megex]

You asked for it:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7192/sapilautharuhichan162.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sapilautharuhichan162.jpg)

Hm...do you know if anyone is actually working on scanlating the Haruhi-chan manga, or if people are just scanlating random pages here and there?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Hm...do you know if anyone is actually working on scanlating the Haruhi-chan manga, or if people are just scanlating random pages here and there?

The first volume has been translated. Want a link?

[Cat Megex]

The first volume has been translated. Want a link?

Sure .

[suyaandsammie]

You asked for it:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7192/sapilautharuhichan162.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sapilautharuhichan162.jpg)

No love for Koizumi. :(

[otai]

The fan interpretation that Koizumi is actually a typical angsty bi-shounen/shoujo hiding under the fake cheerful mask, is a lot of fun. But being too serious makes it tough to reconcile the story tone with the fact that god is a bored and frustrated 14 teenage girl.

So, in the VN; is he an Angsty Prettyboy class who ascends to the One-Wing Angel prestige class by way of genoicide of the Data Entities?

[Kaisos Erranon]

The fan interpretation that Koizumi is actually a typical angsty bi-shounen/shoujo hiding under the fake cheerful mask, is a lot of fun. But being too serious makes it tough to reconcile the story tone with the fact that god is a bored and frustrated 14 teenage girl.

First, there are plenty of hints, even from Koizumi himself, that he IS a typical angsty bishonen. He even refers to his face as a "mask" at several points in the books, often worrying if he's becoming the mask (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BecomingTheMask). Kyon ignores him entirely, however.

And the fact that god is a bored and frustrated girl is supposed to be lighthearted? A lot of people would tell you that's a rather terrifying concept.

The difference between Haruhi and other stories is that Haruhi plays a lot of its more serious tropes for giggles, which I really feel is wasted potential, but that's my opinion.

Danchou has plans for Koizumi in the VN, mostly involving him attempting (poorly) to become a Magnificent Bastard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard). He knows more about it than I do, so I'll let him continue.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Well that's about the jist of it. The exact layout of his diabolical schemes I don't have figured out, but generally speaking he's gonna overthrow his Organization superiors and try and bring the 10 espers together for reasons I'm sure I'll think of later. The immediate cause is likely something related to the ridiculous expansion of closed space that has occurred due to Kyon getting too friendly with Itsuko, but of course he's got more important ulterior motives, like obviously striking back at the people who have made his life "miserable" and such.

[Nanao-kun]

First, there are plenty of hints, even from Koizumi himself, that he IS a typical angsty bishonen. He even refers to his face as a "mask" at several points in the books, often worrying if he's becoming the mask (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BecomingTheMask). Kyon ignores him entirely, however.

And the fact that god is a bored and frustrated girl is supposed to be lighthearted? A lot of people would tell you that's a rather terrifying concept.

The difference between Haruhi and other stories is that Haruhi plays a lot of its more serious tropes for giggles, which I really feel is wasted potential, but that's my opinion.

Danchou has plans for Koizumi in the VN, mostly involving him attempting (poorly) to become a Magnificent Bastard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard). He knows more about it than I do, so I'll let him continue.

Gah, more TvTrope links... just when I thought I had escaped...

Even though I have even read those articles previously... -_-"

[ijuinkun]

Any time I go to TvTropes, it takes me a week to escape from reading link after link after link. ^^;

[otai]

And the fact that god is a bored and frustrated girl is supposed to be lighthearted? A lot of people would tell you that's a rather terrifying concept.

Well, yes; but it is difficult to justify the angsty suffering of a viewpoint character with an absurd premise. Imagine if NGE went...

"OK, the Angels are actually the manifestation of the subconscious emotions of a teenage girl named Suzumiya Haruhi."

Shinji:"OK... I'm just gonna slit my wrists in the bathtub now."

Asuka:"Hey! Why is her angst more important than mine?!"

Rei:"..."

Now, if things were light and fluffy, then thrown into an absurd premise for mindscrew, it'd be more disturbing. Like say, RARG.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well, yes; but it is difficult to justify the angsty suffering of a viewpoint character with an absurd premise. Imagine if NGE went...

"OK, the Angels are actually the manifestation of the subconscious emotions of a teenage girl named Suzumiya Haruhi."

Shinji:"OK... I'm just gonna slit my wrists in the bathtub now."

Asuka:"Hey! Why is her angst more important than mine?!"

Rei:"..."

Now, if things were light and fluffy, then thrown into an absurd premise for mindscrew, it'd be more disturbing. Like say, RARG.

You might be missing the point. It's all in how the premise is introduced.

Haruhi's premise would not be seen as absurd, or funny, if the tone was, say, considerably darker.

Haruhi can destroy the world AT ANY TIME. The people around her she views as her slaves, and they act accordingly, if only to keep her from destroying the world. She molests an innocent, pitiable girl on a regular basis. She's a thief, a tyrant, and a sociopath.

The only thing keeping this from being a depressing, horrifying premise is that it's played for comedy. And honestly, it is funny.

It's healthy to laugh. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4010223/1/Life_is_Funny)

[DJ_RockmanX]

The only thing keeping this from being a depressing, horrifying premise is that it's played for comedy. And honestly, it is funny.

It's okay to laugh.

Needs a change of perspective and more plot.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Needs a change of perspective and more plot.

Um, what...?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Um, what...?

A reverse side, like Heaven's Feel.

[Kaisos Erranon]

A reverse side, like Heaven's Feel.

You're saying that Haruhi needs this?

Isn't that half the point of the VN though, right? Using the plot and characters we already have to create a bigger, darker story?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Yeah I know. Not like it couldn't be done though. I'm sure if things weren't told in Kyon's perspective things would sound a helluva lot more serious.

[Kaisos Erranon]

That's true, somewhat ironically.

[DJ_RockmanX]

The only times the story really gets serious are when things are imposed onto Kyon that require his immediate and direct action. Typically the best way to differentiate plot crucial events from less noteworthy story elements is through his reduced tsukkomi usage. Not that he doesn't usually still find a way to make witty comments about his situation.

Anyway, back to the VN. The first seven days should pretty much flow the way the novels are written for side story chapters. The first half of the week sounding much like regular school days, and the latter half having emphasis on Kyon making fun of the new troubles of dealing with newcomers from another world, if they get to interact any before Haruki arrives. We could even have the comfortable feeling past this part, so long as Kyon doesn't take Haruki's war declarations too seriously.

[Nanao-kun]

The only times the story really gets serious are when things are imposed onto Kyon that require his immediate and direct action. Typically the best way to differentiate plot crucial events from less noteworthy story elements is through his reduced tsukkomi usage. Not that he doesn't usually still find a way to make witty comments about his situation.

Anyway, back to the VN. The first seven days should pretty much flow the way the novels are written for side story chapters. The first half of the week sounding much like regular school days, and the latter half having emphasis on Kyon making fun of the new troubles of dealing with newcomers from another world, if they get to interact any before Haruki arrives. We could even have the comfortable feeling past this part, so long as Kyon doesn't take Haruki's war declarations too seriously.

That sounds good.

[Cat Megex]

Well, yes; but it is difficult to justify the angsty suffering of a viewpoint character with an absurd premise. Imagine if NGE went...

"OK, the Angels are actually the manifestation of the subconscious emotions of a teenage girl named Suzumiya Haruhi."

Shinji:"OK... I'm just gonna slit my wrists in the bathtub now."

Asuka:"Hey! Why is her angst more important than mine?!"

Rei:"..."

Now, if things were light and fluffy, then thrown into an absurd premise for mindscrew, it'd be more disturbing. Like say, RARG.

...Uh...RARG?

[otai]

You might be missing the point. It's all in how the premise is introduced.

Haruhi's premise would not be seen as absurd, or funny, if the tone was, say, considerably darker.

Haruhi can destroy the world AT ANY TIME. The people around her she views as her slaves, and they act accordingly, if only to keep her from destroying the world. She molests an innocent, pitiable girl on a regular basis. She's a thief, a tyrant, and a sociopath.

The only thing keeping this from being a depressing, horrifying premise is that it's played for comedy. And honestly, it is funny.

It's healthy to laugh. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4010223/1/Life_is_Funny)
OK, you're right, it's all in the execution. And serious things can be inherently absurd, silly and funny, like nuclear MAD.
But to me, a serious tone in a story can be impaired by an absurd premise.

You know, does Haruhi really threaten the world? The closest she came to it was in Vol 1; where she created a sealed reality for Kyon and herself that will eventually become the new world. The old one still exists; and only Koizumi states that it may be destroyed once the new world is complete. According to Yuki's statements, the IDE at least will survive; and we got nothing from Asahina.

Can you trust Koizumi? How would the Organization know? Did they at some point allow a closed space to run unchecked as an experiment? Maybe the world will continue to exist without Haruhi; the Organization just doesn't want to be out of their jobs.

And if the sealed reality is the beginning of a new world, why did the Shinjin need to attack it while God is in it? Maybe they came from somewhere else?

...Uh...RARG?

Not anime, but still disturbing. RARG (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7692801912381387535)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Haruhi can destroy the world AT ANY TIME. The people around her she views as her slaves, and they act accordingly, if only to keep her from destroying the world. She molests an innocent, pitiable girl on a regular basis. She's a thief, a tyrant, and a sociopath.

The only thing keeping this from being a depressing, horrifying premise is that it's played for comedy. And honestly, it is funny.

That's the part you want to point out when it comes to making it sound depressing? What about the fact that, due to how time travel operates in the series, the only thing keeping it from being apparent that no one has any free will except maybe Haruhi is the fact that Mikuru is so far from the future that she wouldn't know how things happened. Volume 7 pretty much spells this out for us, as "Michiru" did have decent knowledge of the week, and Kyon ended up doing everything she said he did, intentionally or not.

You know, does Haruhi really threaten the world? The closest she came to it was in Vol 1; where she created a sealed reality for Kyon and herself that will eventually become the new world. The old one still exists; and only Koizumi states that it may be destroyed once the new world is complete. According to Yuki's statements, the IDE at least will survive; and we got nothing from Asahina.

Koizumi is going with the worst case scenario, while Mikuru probably didn't even know what was going on until after it happened. On the other hand, Nagato already knew that Kyon and Haruhi would return, largely thanks to BLR and Disappearance. Time travel is "fun" like that. :heh:

Can you trust Koizumi? How would the Organization know? Did they at some point allow a closed space to run unchecked as an experiment? Maybe the world will continue to exist without Haruhi; the Organization just doesn't want to be out of their jobs.

The Organization doesn't know for certain what would happen, they just don't want to take any risk. As for the job thing, Koizumi doesn't really seem all that thrilled with his, and he's the only member we have extensive knowledge about.

[Kaisos Erranon]

That's the part you want to point out when it comes to making it sound depressing? What about the fact that, due to how time travel operates in the series, the only thing keeping it from being apparent that no one has any free will except maybe Haruhi is the fact that Mikuru is so far from the future that she wouldn't know how things happened. Volume 7 pretty much spells this out for us, as "Michiru" did have decent knowledge of the week, and Kyon ended up doing everything she said he did, intentionally or not.

I was intentionally using the most well-known example.

And I personally don't find a lack of free will depressing given that's how I view time in real life anyway.

But yeah, that's fairly dark in and of itself.


The Organization doesn't know for certain what would happen, they just don't want to take any risk. As for the job thing, Koizumi doesn't really seem all that thrilled with his, and he's the only member we have extensive knowledge about.

Koizumi does say rather a lot that he really hope everything goes back to normal so he can stop going out at night to kill monsters.

You know, in a sense, if Koizumi had been the intended target of the Yukiverse rather than Kyon, I think he would have been fine with it...

[CrowKenobi]

You know, in a sense, if Koizumi had been the intended target of the Yukiverse rather than Kyon, I think he would have been fine with it...Of course, not only does he not have to fight monsters, he also gets Haruhi as a girlfriend... :D

:cool:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Of course, not only does he not have to fight monsters, he also gets Haruhi as a girlfriend... :D

:cool:

A perfect world for him.

We can use this.

[DJ_RockmanX]

A perfect world for him.

We can use this.

Still need to figure out what the Power of Ten can do to achieve that.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Still need to figure out what the Power of Ten can do to achieve that.

I really wanted to shout out "CAPTAAAAAIN PLANEEEEEEET" after I read that.


Seriously though, Koizumi may have figured out some way to combine their powers to achieve something.

Though he wouldn't know that the Harupowers can be TAKEN. At least not at the start...

[DJ_RockmanX]

I really wanted to shout out "CAPTAAAAAIN PLANEEEEEEET" after I read that.

Seriously though, Koizumi may have figured out some way to combine their powers to achieve something.

More reasons why esper sentai works so well. We can probably give him the outfit from Haruhi-chan. REDDO!

Though he wouldn't know that the Harupowers can be TAKEN. At least not at the start...

Probably not something he considers safe.

[Kaisos Erranon]

More reasons why esper sentai works so well. We can probably give him the outfit from Haruhi-chan. REDDO!

...How many FABULOUS cosplayers do we intend to have here?

Though I'm not against him changing wardrobes after he takes over. But it'd probably be something a bit more Zero-esque, if anything.


Probably not something he considers safe.

Koizumi is fairly genre savvy. He doesn't want to experience A God Am I (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AGodAmI).

I think, if he could remake the universe, he'd do it without the Harupowers.

[Raiyushi]

That's about it. Just her cosplaying a "mysterious girl". Yeah. :rolleyes:

Hopefully KyoAni doesn't get to this part of Haruhi-chan. Odds are pretty good that they won't, considering that this is from the most recent publication of Shounen Ace.

What I DO wish they'd adapt would be stuff like this:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7241/sapilautharuhichan16016.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sapilautharuhichan16016.jpg)

Gives me tons of ideas for Itsuki/Itsuko's backstory.

This is going to be completely unrelated but....From left to right on the top left frame. Alastor, Yuji, Shana from Shakugan No Shana much?

Although with good execution, I personally say that the Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya would be even more successful than it's original, especially with Kyonko!!!! (goes back to start and reads 695 pages)

[Cat Megex]

This is going to be completely unrelated but....From left to right on the top left frame. Alastor, Yuji, Shana from Shakugan No Shana much?

Although with good execution, I personally say that the Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya would be even more successful than it's original, especially with Kyonko!!!! (goes back to start and reads 695 pages)

We greet you, new initiate, with the traditional Seitenkan greeting:

WELCOME! YOU SHALL SERVE KYONKO WELL.

[Ithekro]

The question on the VN and the use of various tropes. Are you planning on playing the tropes seriously, or for laughs? I ask because probably one reason Haruhi (and possibly Kyonko) works is because the tropes are played for laughs. If it was taken seriously, it probably wouldn't ave worked, or at least not been such a force to start a religion (real or not). It would probably just have been another well handled, but just like any other drama, show.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The question on the VN and the use of various tropes. Are you planning on playing the tropes seriously, or for laughs? I ask because probably one reason Haruhi (and possibly Kyonko) works is because the tropes are played for laughs. If it was taken seriously, it probably wouldn't ave worked, or at least not been such a force to start a religion (real or not). It would probably just have been another well handled, but just like any other drama, show.

Again, the first week will have the tropes played mostly for lulz, although the first week is primarily slice-of-life...

What I want to do is slightly differentiate the genre and focus between each route.

For example, the Esper Route will probably be played mostly for (black) comedy, but only in Kyon's perspective. (I mean, Koizumi as the Big Bad? Come on...)

Interludes, a la Fate/Stay Night and Chaos;HEAd, are useful for explaining parts of the plot outside Kyon's (limited) perspective, although I think we should keep those to a minimum, as one of the main reasons Haruhi is so interesting (and because it can be used for mindscrew purposes) is the extremely limited perspective. Anyway, the Interludes in the Esper Route should be much darker in tone, as they will probably focus entirely on Koizumi.

In contrast, Co-operation (The Kyonko Route) would be mostly about the relationship between the two of them and their attempts to rebuild both their worlds, so that'd be more fantasy/romance... with the Time Traveler route, my suggestion was Murder Mystery Mind Screw, kinda like Higurashi or And Then There Were None.

The Alien Route is mainly based off of Danchou's ideas and not mine, but it seems like "Dark Shonen Action" (like Soul Eater) to me, which is awesome. Probably the most angsty route in general, given the sheer overwhelming power of ANGRY Yuuki.

The God Route will have to be the most like the original books, given that Haruhi is the main girl in that route. So mainly sci-fi comedy/romance.

The "True" Route is a combination of all of the above, with Kyonko as the main girl, though there's little romantic fluff. Probably because everything bad is happening at once.

Hijack Route... well, first, I'm not talking about Hijack, and I really can't come up with a genre for it. I (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope) certainly (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralDissonance)can (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MotiveDecay) use (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle0z548336167v?from=Main.WhatTheHellHero) tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveMakesYouEvil) though (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HornyDevils?from=Main.Succubus).

Hijack also explains the metaplot. Whether the players find it or not is entirely up to them. Wahaha.

True (FINAL) is the True Route with the revelations from Hijack included, and also functions as an epilogue to that. It is also the only route with a truly happy ending. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarnYourHappyEnding)

Damn that was a lot to type.

[otai]

My favorite aspect of Itsuki is that he has been ambiguous about everything from his sexuality to his loyalty.

Koizumi promised to side with the SOS-dan in the event that he has to choose loyalties;. Is Koizumi actually happy with his life in the SOS-dan as he says? If he truly prefers a life away from weirdness at all costs, surely he wouldn't support Kyon's status quo preservation work.

The promise also implies the Organization probably has factions similar to the IDE, and probably sinister goals in using Haruhi. And frankly, I'd be disappointed if a shadowy Organization with vast resources that was created in a little over 3 years had no goals greater than keeping down the temper tantrums of an omnipotent teenager.

The way I see it, the Organization would have been full of cloak and dagger nonsense, with experiments on espers, Closed Spaces and alien countermeasures. Would explain how Koizumi manages to defeat the aliens to enact his evil plan.

And yes, super sentai Koizumi makes sense: strength in numbers was how Koizumi entered Haruhi's super sealed reality in Vol 1 after all.
Making a super sentai team the bad guys=brilliant subversion.

[Kaisos Erranon]

My favorite aspect of Itsuki is that he has been ambiguous about everything from his sexuality to his loyalty.

There ARE hints that he's into Haruhi, though. Namely Vol. 4 and that one, rather telling scene in Endless Eight.


Koizumi promised to side with the SOS-dan in the event that he has to choose loyalties;. Is Koizumi actually happy with his life in the SOS-dan as he says? If he truly prefers a life away from weirdness at all costs, surely he wouldn't support Kyon's status quo preservation work.

I will point out that as this takes place in September, directly after Endless Eight, he hasn't made that promise yet.


The way I see it, the Organization would have been full of cloak and dagger nonsense, with experiments on espers, Closed Spaces and alien countermeasures. Would explain how Koizumi manages to defeat the aliens to enact his evil plan.

And yes, super sentai Koizumi makes sense: strength in numbers was how Koizumi entered Haruhi's super sealed reality in Vol 1 after all.
Making a super sentai team the bad guys=brilliant subversion.

These are both very good ideas. Thank you very much, as always.


So what Koizumi does is activate some of the Organization's contingency plans... Interesting.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I can't help but think of the Axem Rangers from SMRPG when I think "evil sentai parody." :heh:

[otai]

So what Koizumi does is activate some of the Organization's contingency plans... Interesting.

When you put it that way, it seems only right that Bad Koizumi wears an eyepatch.
Maybe to hide his secret-power/Koizumi-Beam/geass eye or whatever.

[DannyCat]

Just noticed, a couple days ago was the 1-year anniversary of the Nicovideo that kickstarted this all (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2416947).

[CrowKenobi]

Just noticed, a couple days ago was the 1-year anniversary of the Nicovideo that kickstarted this all (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2416947).

The Youtube version (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1425457#post1425457) (for those that don't have a nico account) is in post #3 of this very thread! :heehee:

:cool:

Where has all the time gone? :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

I can't help but think of the Axem Rangers from SMRPG when I think "evil sentai parody." :heh:

This is primarily the reason I don't want to do it.

Though it would make an amusing omake kind of thing, like the Tiger Dojo...

When you put it that way, it seems only right that Bad Koizumi wears an eyepatch.
Maybe to hide his secret-power/Koizumi-Beam/geass eye or whatever.

No, Koizumi does not have Geass. No, he does not have a Koizumi-Beam. No, he is not Evil Harlock.

Danchou wanted Arakawa to get an eyepatch, actually. I suggested it was because Koizumi shot his eye out.

Just noticed, a couple days ago was the 1-year anniversary of the Nicovideo that kickstarted this all (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2416947).

YAAAAAAAAAY

PARTY TIME

EXCELLENT

[otai]

Just noticed, a couple days ago was the 1-year anniversary of the Nicovideo that kickstarted this all (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2416947).
W007! How we gonna celebrate?
No, Koizumi does not have Geass. No, he does not have a Koizumi-Beam. No, he is not Evil Harlock.

Danchou wanted Arakawa to get an eyepatch, actually. I suggested it was because Koizumi shot his eye out.

Sorry about, that was just for the lulz. But mainly cuz I wanted to reference Valkyrie; an eyepatched guy who hijacks his bosses contingency plans.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

No, Koizumi does not have Geass.

... That would probably remind people of the dubs, anyway...

[Cat Megex]

I've got it, then...

Give Itsuki... AN EVIL HOSAKA LAUGH!

[Kaisos Erranon]

I've got it, then...

Give Itsuki... AN EVIL HOSAKA LAUGH!

And so it shall be done.

[CrowKenobi]

I've got it, then...

Give Itsuki... AN EVIL HOSAKA LAUGH!

And so it shall be done.Would having Itsuki take his shirt off like Hosaka be asking too much? :heh:

:cool:

Of course, he would only do it when he has Kyon in his villainous clutches... :heehee:

[Kaisos Erranon]

No, just the laugh.

Although, that particular laugh is more "sad" than "eeeevil". Which means it fits Koizumi pretty well.

[DannyCat]

Haruki as Zaphod Beeblebrox?

[Cat Megex]

Haruki as Zaphod Beeblebrox?

What .

[beanbrew]

Haruki as Zaphod Beeblebrox?

I approve of this crossover.

[DannyCat]

Besides, you can put Kyonko in a dressing gown and have Itsuko wielding a towel.

[Cat Megex]

I assume Yuuki would be Ford Prefect, then?

[DannyCat]

Nah, that's more of an Itsuki role.

[Cat Megex]

Nah, that's more of an Itsuki role.

As the Enabler for Arthur Dent, I still see Ford's role being closer to Yu(u)ki's than Itsuki's.

[DannyCat]

Maybe in role, but the personality's even further off.

[dragon4dudes]

I can see almost all of this connection. Though what about Asahina? The robot?

[DannyCat]

I had Nagato in the Marvin role (though probably not so inordinately depressed) and Asahina as the Tricia character.

[Kaisos Erranon]

And now I am imagining Nagato with Alan Rickman's voice.

Damn it, you guys...

[otai]

Tsuruya for Ford.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Gentlemen and the, like, three ladies, it has now been one year since this thread was formed.

I'd like to thank you all for your loyal support and dedication, even though I personally have next to none left.

Let's look back at what we've really accomplished.


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Uh.


Not much.

What we have accomplished, however, are ideas. And ideas are bulletproof.

We have basically formulated concepts for nearly all the genderbent versions of the original characters, and to use them in fiction, that's pretty much all we need.

This is why I think Danchou's and my Visual Novel project idea is one of the best things we could possibly have ever come up with.

Even though it was my idea originally, I've never exactly been a big fan of genderbending the novels.

There's no real... literary merit in doing so. We're just taking someone else's work, changing a few of the pronouns and concepts around, and that's about it.

If we can create a piece of (effectively) original fiction, using characters and concepts based off of a novel series that, I believe, doesn't use certain tropes in ways that it probably should, we can put ourselves on the map, so to speak.

I mean, come on. A doujin Haruhi/Seitenkan game? That's godly.

And that's why I'd like to ask all of you for help and support. Namely, we need artists, people who know how to code a visual novel, and people who are good enough with Audacity to pretend that they're real composers.

Coming up with epic plot ideas is great too. We can use that.

All I want is for us, as a fandom, to together create something of worth.

You guys are part of one of the most insanely devoted fanbases ever, and I respect all of you for that.

Thank you all, and here's to another year of SHEER AMAZING.


THIS.

IS.

SEITENKAN.


That is all. Goodnight, Seattle.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Let's look back at what we've really accomplished.


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Uh.


Not much.

. . . sadly, I laughed at this part :heh:


This did, however, remind me that I have personally been here for almost a year and the only thing I've done that's even remotely meritorious, I basically abandoned after one part...



This I can no longer allow!

I cannot believe what a fool I have been! I should never have allowed myself to fall behind in my work. Should I have to go on with only one arm, so be it! I pledge to finish what I have started, even if that means I have to scrap everything and start anew! I will do everything in my power to succeed in this task before the month is over, and so should each of you.

Listen up, everyone: This is not a spectator sport.

If there is anything that you could do, yet have not done, or anything that you have done, but could do more, hear my words! Do it, for Kyonko! For Haruki! For anyone else you believe deserves it! It matters not who it is for, as long as you do it and do it with pride! Do not settle for what has been; strive for what will be!

Kick reason to the curb and follow me in this goal! For it is a noble and just cause, and we shall succeed in it! We shall rise above the mountains and wave our banners with pride!

We will not surrender to the jaws of defeat and we will not give in to doubt. For us, there is no such thing as failure. There is no doubt. We WILL succeed, and we WILL believe, both in ourselves and each other.



To beanbrew, and his loli-loving beanbag ways...

To Cat Megex, our official greeter...

To dkellis, who keeps the archives of all we have done...

To Kaisos Erranon, without whom we never would have gathered a group this size...

To DJ RockmanX, without whom we would lack the leadership needed for such an undertaking...

To the writers, whose pens pierce the heavens...

To the editors, whose vigilant efforts ensure that everything we have produced is of the highest possible caliber...

To the artists, without whom this would have never even started...

To those who have fallen, and those who have yet to come...

To those who have yet to find there calling, yet still remain...


THIS!

IS!!

SEITENKAN!!!

(Sorry if I stole some of your thunder, Kai :heh:)

[Cat Megex]

Namely, we need artists, people who know how to code a visual novel, and people who are good enough with Audacity to pretend that they're real composers.

I thought Audacity was more for editing pre-existing music/sounds (or recording said music/sounds); wouldn't something like F.L. Studio be closer to what you mean?

[Joe4evr]

And that's why I'd like to ask all of you for help and support. Namely, we need artists, people who know how to code a visual novel, and people who are good enough with Audacity to pretend that they're real composers.Well, I know a small bit of Audacity, perhaps I can be of some help?

[Nanao-kun]

Hmmm. Although I'm naturally lazy and unmotivated, I'll do my best to give whatever support may be necessary.

Give me your orders, Danchou! I may or may not follow them!

[DJ_RockmanX]

This post is exactly one year after the first post I edited in when this thread was created.

@Kaisos and Shirogane: Nice rallies there.

@HikariNiwa: What might you be willing to do? I may or may not have something for you to do.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I thought Audacity was more for editing pre-existing music/sounds (or recording said music/sounds); wouldn't something like F.L. Studio be closer to what you mean?

No, Audacity is what I mean.

Taking in existing music and making a new piece of music out of them.

Although any sort of composing/remixing software would be great.

Well, I know a small bit of Audacity, perhaps I can be of some help?

Can you find exceedingly happy pieces of music from other anime/visnovels and edit them together into something that sounds original yet is also exceedingly happy?

We need a Tsuruya theme...

[Nanao-kun]

This post is exactly one year after the first post I edited in when this thread was created.

@Kaisos and Shirogane: Nice rallies there.

@HikariNiwa: What might you be willing to do? I may or may not have something for you to do.

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...umm, I may or may not know. What's available?

EDIT: I'm also behind on my anime so I may be short on time. >.> Thank god (Haruhi) for my ability to completely separate my feelings from other anime when watching a another anime.

[suyaandsammie]

Sorry, I was busy for the longest time...

Hooray 1 year of Seitenkan!

*waves a little flag*

[beanbrew]

Damnit, I'm late to the party. ALL HAIL FLAT CHESTED KYONKO!

[Nanao-kun]

Damnit, I'm late to the party. ALL HAIL FLAT CHESTED KYONKO!

I'm with you Beanbag-san!

ALL HAIL DFC KYONKO!!!!!!!!

[Sute443]

ALL HAIL FLAT CHESTED KYONKO!

Never! ALL HAIL REALISTICALLY AVERAGE-SIZE CHESTED KYONKO!

Hm, wasn't I working on a project as well? What happened to that? *Thinks* Oh yeah, Grad School. Maybe I'll get something done after this quarter ends.

[beanbrew]

Never! ALL HAIL REALISTICALLY AVERAGE-SIZE CHESTED KYONKO!

Flat chested women exist IRL. Hell, I had a crush on one.

Okay, so my sister said she looked like a little boy because of it. So what? I'd still say more like a little girl. A little girl who told me the only reason she didn't beat me up is because I'm younger than her. And I think she could probably do it too, even though she is more than a foot shorter than me...

...But flat chests aren't unrealistic.

[Ithekro]

Not unrealistic, but not "common" (a "status symbol" as Konata says). If Kyon-chan is suppose to be average, she can't stand out so much by being a "status symbol", thus a slight bust so that she would normally not be noticed/stand out (A-B cup "Japanese" borderline...rather than beanbrew's AA-cup or low end A-cup insistance).

[Sute443]

Not unrealistic, but not "common" (a "status symbol" as Konata says). If Kyon-chan is suppose to be average, she can't stand out so much by being a "status symbol", thus a slight bust so that she would normally not be noticed/stand out (A-B cup "Japanese" borderline...rather than beanbrew's AA-cup or low end A-cup insistance).

^ This. Kyonko lacks a large bust because she is supposed to be average. Making her DFC isn't unrealistic, but it goes too far in the opposite direction and makes her not be average.

[Roger Rambo]

Kyonko isn't busty. That doesn't mean she's flat though.

[otai]

Damn. Late for the party. Where's the cake?

Well, salute to all you other insane seitenkan CRACK addicted crazies. May the next year be a good one. And may all your Kyon-chan's have your ideal bust sizes.

On the serious note,; what the projects really need is some organization...

[ijuinkun]

I've said this a couple of times before, but I think Kyonko should have a bust about the same size as Yuki's--a bit below-average but not prepubescent-flat.

[Roger Rambo]

I wouldn't be so annoyed with the loli brigades attempt to make Kyonko totally flat as long as they weren't making everything else about her undeveloped. I can deal with "flater" as long as there are curves.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1904/hikaru15.jpg

[beanbrew]

I wouldn't be so annoyed with the loli brigades attempt to make Kyonko totally flat as long as they weren't making everything else about her undeveloped. I can deal with "flater" as long as there are curves.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1904/hikaru15.jpg

I don't recall attempting to get rid of the rest of the curves. Though I think it might be a bit weird for Kyonko to have child-bearing hips, so not too much?

[Nanao-kun]

I wouldn't be so annoyed with the loli brigades attempt to make Kyonko totally flat as long as they weren't making everything else about her undeveloped. I can deal with "flater" as long as there are curves.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1904/hikaru15.jpg

Truthfully, while I support DFC Kyonko, I also favor proportional body measurements for aesthetic purposes.

[Roger Rambo]

I don't recall attempting to get rid of the rest of the curves. Didn't you declare me your mortal enemy when I commented that I liked this image (http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4656/2008032830790dcdh8.jpg) of Kyonko, because in spite of her lack of chesticles, the rest of her wasn't drawn like a loli?

EDIT:Found that post of yours (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2061535&postcount=12963). Doesn't seem to be related to that image of Kyonko though...

Truthfully, while I support DFC Kyonko, I also favor proportional body measurements for aesthetic purposes.
I'm mainly coming from allot of the fanart/doujinshi that literally draws Kyonko like a 10 year old. That just squicks me out.



EDIT:OH CRAP!!! POST COUNT 666!

[beanbrew]

Didn't you declare me your mortal enemy when I commented that I liked this image (http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4656/2008032830790dcdh8.jpg) of Kyonko, because in spite of her lack of chesticles, the rest of her wasn't drawn like a loli?

EDIT:Found that post of yours (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2061535&postcount=12963). Doesn't seem to be related to that image of Kyonko though...

I'm mainly coming from allot of the fanart/doujinshi that literally draws Kyonko like a 10 year old. That just squicks me out.

EDIT:OH CRAP!!! POST COUNT 666!

I hate my past self. He's always screwing things up for my future self. Fine, curve away. I have no problems with that image though.

The ten year old thing... Not squicky for me. (Thank you, Captain Obvious.)

[Sute443]

I hate my past self. He's always screwing things up for my future self.

Like when you say this sort of thing?

The ten year old thing... Not squicky for me.


You may be okay with people knowing this now, but in the future...

(Thank you, Captain Obvious.)

[Roger Rambo]

like when you say this sort of thing?



You may be okay with people knowing this now, but in the future...
rotflol :d

[Nanao-kun]

image (http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4656/2008032830790dcdh8.jpg)


I'm also fond of this picture.

[Cat Megex]

I'm also fond of this picture.

As am I .

[beanbrew]

You may be okay with people knowing this now, but in the future...

2D is different from RL. What's acceptable in 2D is often not acceptable IRL. That's my position, and I'm stickin' to it.

[Nanao-kun]

2D is different from RL. What's acceptable in 2D is often not acceptable IRL. That's my position, and I'm stickin' to it.

Unfortunately, 2D itself is becoming more and more unacceptable IRL...

[beanbrew]

Unfortunately, 2D itself is becoming more and more unacceptable IRL...

Really? I had the impression that it had started becoming kinda mainstream. I have no idea what society's like, do I?

[Ithekro]

The second or two long "genderbent Itsuki" from Haruhi-chan even seems to match up with the existing Itsuko artwork (aside from length of hair).

[Kaisos Erranon]

I sense a lot of wasted talent here. A lot of it.


I'd like to suggest that Seitenkan form a fansub group. Why?

Because if Haruhi S2 does come out I want to get decent subs. That's why.

Discuss.

[besieger]

I sense a lot of wasted talent here. A lot of it.


I'd like to suggest that Seitenkan form a fansub group. Why?

Because if Haruhi S2 does come out I want to get decent subs. That's why.

Discuss.

Remind me to learn enough Japanese to reach level 3 by next year then. :D

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Why? So you can be ready a year in advance? :p

[beanbrew]

I can time, and I probably could edit, but not very well. I could also help with translation, but I'd be slow as frak on every job.

[Cat Megex]

I'd definitely be able to QC, as I already do that for several groups. >_>

EDIT: This may be getting ahead of things, but would we tag the releases as [Seitenkan], [Kyonko], or something else?

[Ithekro]

Judging by Clannad releases and what people say about populate titles...Haruhi episodes will be translated by five groups within 24 hours of release...if KyoAni doesn't releases them net subbed to begin with like there Haruhi-chan title.

(we are closing n 14,000)

[beanbrew]

I'd definitely be able to QC, as I already do that for several groups. >_>

EDIT: This may be getting ahead of things, but would we tag the releases as [Seitenkan], [Kyonko], or something else?

I vote we go with [性転換], just to mess up trackers.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I'd definitely be able to QC, as I already do that for several groups. >_>

EDIT: This may be getting ahead of things, but would we tag the releases as [Seitenkan], [Kyonko], or something else?

I'd personally like to do QC as well as editing/proofreading, as that's all I can do, and this was my idea. *cough*

[Seitenkan] would be good... that is the name of this community, after all.

Judging by Clannad releases and what people say about populate titles...Haruhi episodes will be translated by five groups within 24 hours of release...if KyoAni doesn't releases them net subbed to begin with like there Haruhi-chan title.

(we are closing n 14,000)

Clannad has like ONE dedicated group subbing it, and a.f.k. won't be subbing Haruhi anymore.

[Cat Megex]

I vote we go with [性転換], just to mess up trackers.

I'm currently a member of a group that's using the tag [λδ] (which was actually my idea), so it's not as though there isn't precedent for that. (They'd originally considered releasing as [lambdadelta] before I suggested using the actual Greek characters.) :P

Clannad has like ONE dedicated group subbing it, [...].

SS-Eclipse?

[besieger]

Why? So you can be ready a year in advance? :p

Or rather, be ready whenever it's out. :p

[otai]

srsly? On top of every other project? :heh:

Oh well, if we must, we must.
Who's translating?
what video formats and rez are we using? multiple?
How about a test run on something in the current season to benchmark how well the team performs?

[beanbrew]

If necessary, I can probably get a translator. I support AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE resolution; I don't particularly care how it's encoded. Prefer no hardsubs at all. That's just me though.

[Joe4evr]

I support AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE resolution...Me too. Also preferably in softsubs.

[ijuinkun]

I doubt it will be done in HDTV format, so 480p widescreen is probably the best we'll get.

[Cat Megex]

I support AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE resolution; I don't particularly care how it's encoded.

If a show is broadcast in SD, then I prefer to have it in 480p/480i after deinterlacing; if a show is broadcast in HD, I prefer to have it in 720p/720i after deinterlacing. (I don't know of any shows that are actually broadcast in full 1080p, though there may be some which are broadcast in 1080i [not talking about transport streams, which, iirc, are actually 1440x1080 for some networks, but about the source material], but if that does start happening, I'll accept the full resolution on that stuff.)

Also, h264/AVC encodes will usually have smaller file sizes than DivX encodes of the same quality (meaning better quality for equal file sizes), though it's a bit less widely supported than DivX/XviD is. But you don't really care about that, so whatever.

Prefer no hardsubs at all. That's just me though.

Same.

[Ithekro]

What was the original broadcast in?

[Joe4evr]

What was the original broadcast in?I have them in 704x480, don't know if that was resized by the subbers though.

[Ithekro]

I was under the impression it was released originally in HD (which is why people were and are complaining about Clannad's two version (three weeks apart) releases from my understanding)

[Cat Megex]

I was under the impression it was released originally in HD (which is why people were and are complaining about Clannad's two version (three weeks apart) releases from my understanding)

I was not under that impression. I do find the idea of showing a 4:3 version first, then airing the 16:9 version three weeks later, to be a dumb way of doing things, though.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Haruhi was released in widescreen format, not HD.

People tend to confuse the two for some reason.

[ijuinkun]

People probably confuse them due to the relative lack of standard-definition TV screens that have a widescreen format--we're all used to widescreen on standard-definition sets meaning letterboxed. The usual expectation is that "standard definition" TV is 480x640 if you are talking about the NTSC system used by Japan and North America.

[Nanao-kun]

Haruhi was released in widescreen format, not HD.

People tend to confuse the two for some reason.

Huh. I never noticed that people thought that way. Guess I should start paying attention to the people around me.

On an off note, I just realized where the quote in your signature is from. I just reached that part in FSN.

[Kaisos Erranon]

On an off note, I just realized where the quote in your signature is from. I just reached that part in FSN.

Heaven's Feel is epic. Don't listen to the UBW fanboys all over the Internet.

[beanbrew]

Heaven's Feel is epic. Don't listen to the UBW fanboys all over the Internet.

And after having no clue what either of you were talking about, I suddenly realized what scene it's from. Yay.

Edit: Page 700!

[Cat Megex]

...And I don't remember the scene. x_x

[Kaisos Erranon]

...And I don't remember the scene. x_x

The first Nightmare sequence. The really creepy one.

[Cat Megex]

The first Nightmare sequence. The really creepy one.

Hm... for whatever reason I can't remember what that scene was about. I remember the interlude with the random lady and the worms, though. (That one was the creepiest/most disgusting, in my mind.)

[Kaisos Erranon]

Hm... for whatever reason I can't remember what that scene was about. I remember the interlude with the random lady and the worms, though. (That one was the creepiest/most disgusting, in my mind.)

Such. A great. Route.

[Nanao-kun]

Heaven's Feel is epic. Don't listen to the UBW fanboys all over the Internet.

Too bad I am still gay for GARcher.

[beanbrew]

Too bad I am still gay for GARcher.

I'm just gay for GARfessor Peterson.

[otai]

Heaven's Feel is epic. Don't listen to the UBW Rin fanboys all over the Internet.

FTFY... fear the twin-tailed tsundere fanboys.

[besieger]

FTFY... fear the twin-tailed tsundere fanboys.

That fear is widespread. Beware when you tick them off!

[swtrooper42]

Clannad has like ONE dedicated group subbing it.
Actually there's two. SS-Eclipse and another group called Waffle House, the same guys that are doing the game translation. Waffle House get's there version done mid-Friday, while Eclipse is done Saturday.

[CrowKenobi]

That's nice and all, but what does it have to do with Seitenkan?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/jin0014/kyon02021mv.gif

:cool:

8 posts till 14,000!

[swtrooper42]

Wait, we have a topic? Oh, right, the Kyonko thing.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Actually there's two. SS-Eclipse and another group called Waffle House, the same guys that are doing the game translation. Waffle House get's there version done mid-Friday, while Eclipse is done Saturday.

FFFF I forgot about Waffle House. They were the original translators of the game, even.

[Nanao-kun]

It seems the thread has slowed down again. Just for the record, what is the current status of the novel?

[CrowKenobi]

Indefinite hold. The visual novel is the new shiny object. :heh:

:cool:

4 posts to 14,000!

[Ithekro]

I imagine once the Trolling of Haruhi Suzumiya ends, the interest in the novel adaptation might revive. That is if the writers and editors can be made to feel it is worth their while to produce said adaptations.

[Nanao-kun]

It seems the thread has slowed down again. Just for the record, what is the current status of the visual novel?

-fixed.

On an unrelated note, I am saddened to see that Miku is not on any of the potential banners. Also I don't expect Shiki to do very well in ISML. :sad: I could be wrong though.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I imagine once the Trolling of Haruhi Suzumiya ends, the interest in the novel adaptation might revive. That is if the writers and editors can be made to feel it is worth their while to produce said adaptations.

OUUUUUCH

I'd do it if I cared. Or if Discreet was around.

Or if KyoAni stopped fscking trolling us, yeah.

It seems the thread has slowed down again. Just for the record, what is the current status of the visual novel?

Not happening because no one is motivated enough to care.

THANKS GUYS

[dragon4dudes]

OUUUUUCH

I'd do it if I cared. Or if Discreet was around.

Or if KyoAni stopped fscking trolling us, yeah.

Just wait, they'll continue to troll us until the last moment. The marketing in Japan is weird, though not enough of a sample to actually say.

Not happening because no one is motivated enough to care.

THANKS GUYS

no prob

[CrowKenobi]

dragon4dudes gets the prize of being poster #14,000!!

And I get the 14,000th reply! :p

:cool:

What happened to our motivation?? :confused:

[DannyCat]

We're waiting for one of us to found an animation studio and hire a staff of skilled artists and writers paid to produce what we want instead of doing it in free time here and there when available.

[DJ_RockmanX]

What happened to our motivation?? :confused:

Kadokawa stole it.

We're waiting for one of us to found an animation studio and hire a staff of skilled artists and writers paid to produce what we want instead of doing it in free time here and there when available.

I can only wish for the funds that would enable us to do so.

Meanwhile, where did everyone we've found so far disappear to again?

[Ithekro]

Well we are about two and a half weeks from seeing how much more trolling we are going to get.

I still think 14 channels and Youtube is more than just a rerun's worth of show...even if it is regional channels.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Kadokawa stole it.

Every day, I pray that we actually get our second season.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... admittedly, I've failed in regards to what I said I'd do... *hangs head in shame, then tries desperately to work up self-motivation again*