The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Joe4evr]

Can Mikuru even swim?They went to a pool in Endless Eight, right?

I guess that doesn't say much, though.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

During the filming of the movie, she was thrown into water. I'm pretty sure all she knows how to do is flail around to keep her head above water.

[Aebliss]

Sail boats are obsolete technologically, but people still use them.

We're talking about the very distant future. Who knows what happens before then? Technology somehow advances to the point that it can enable time travel without the use of two slabs of exotic matter the size of the universe, or the modification of a quantum singularity, apparently. And it casually violates what I've read about scientific analyses of time travel to boot!

None of this is possible though if Mikuru causes the entire world to be destroyed.

Mikuru (small)'s a trainee. Mikuru (big)'s a high-up in the hierarchy. This does not indicate she becomes the architect of the end, seeing as the small one isn't in any position to cause a big mess, and the big one is apparently trusted enough to imply she does her job well and has done it well for a while.

[Cat Megex]

Sail boats are obsolete technologically

That's like saying that bicycles are obsolete technologically.

Seriously, have you seen some of the sailboats they use these days? Especially for racing and such.

[wittyusername]

During the filming of the movie, she was thrown into water. I'm pretty sure all she knows how to do is flail around to keep her head above water.

It's Mikuru. She wouldn't be that great with swimming even if she knew how to.

[Ithekro]

They went to te beach too...and they threw Mikuru into the canal/river during filming...I haven't seen her swim yet...play in shallow water...float in a tube, and ride (clinging to Haruhi) behind a jet ski.

We don't know if any of them can swim yet (Endless Eight I assume has some actually swimming in it, but I don't remember). We can guess Haruhi is perfect at it, one expects Kyon and Itsuki to be able to at least swim a little. Yuki? Since she doesn't appear to be mechanical, there won't be a rust/electrocution problem. However she spents all the time reading...even when water skiing. One would assume she could learn...though drowning that first time might be annoying.

[Kaisos Erranon]

If they don't use boats anymore, that kind of says something for how ridiculously advanced their technology is.

The real proof will be when they go on their next summer trip to Europe... if she doesn't even know what a plane is, then...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

The real proof will be when they go on their next summer trip to Europe... if she doesn't even know what a plane is, then...

Then she is probably lying.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Then she is probably lying.

Who knows? They could have advanced teleportation, thus no need for physical travel at all.

[Ithekro]

Hover tech to the point of not using floating boats (because some crackpot will come up with the notion that a boat in contact with the water might harm the ecosystem).

Of course highly advanced hover tech could make winged aircraft obsolete...though the advantage of having the wings to provide lift without extra use of power for long distances could be a sticking point for keeping them.

Base technologies might be obsolete, but the fuction is in most of the advanced technology unless there is a dramatic shift in how one does things.

Unless there aren't any fish in the sea (or it is illegal), there will still be fishermen in boats in Southeast Asia or off New England, or any such place.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Wouldn't she also be confused by buses, trains and automobiles, then?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Or there's no ocean anymore.


Mikuru has absolutely no knowledge of how physical technology works. Remember her uselessness with the laptop and the guitar?


If she has no knowledge of physical technology, she could be from thousands of years into the future.

Wouldn't she also be confused by buses, trains and automobiles, then?

She was probably briefed on common forms of transportation, at least...

[Ithekro]

High end transporter technology would be a long range thing. Using it over short distances is probably considered a waste of energy, or the criss-cross of energy patterns would overly confuse the systems.

Car, buses, and trains would have an analog in the future because you still have to move people around from one part of a city to another. They might look different and have different means of moving...but the basic feature of a box moving people is the same.

[Joe4evr]

One would assume she could learn...though drowning that first time might be annoying.Or she could pull a Jesus Christ by using her data modification powers to locally alter the density of the water.Wouldn't she also be confused by buses, trains and automobiles, then?Well, they don't really go against the common sense (don't think that's the word here) that metal can't float on water. I think that's where Mikuru was confused in the first place.

[Ithekro]

Drying up 70% of the planets surface up to five miles deep would take an awfully lot of energy plus remove the ice caps....or freeze the entire planet, would would make it just as dead and likely not worth the effort of a time travel group designed to keep the future on track.

[Roger Rambo]

If they don't use boats anymore, that kind of says something for how ridiculously advanced their technology is.

We're either looking at so far in the future that everyone can upload their consciousness onto computers and talk in binary, or Mikuru was a dick and caused WW IV.
Or there's no ocean anymore.

That makes Mikuru a liar. Which actually could very well be the case.


Mikuru has absolutely no knowledge of how physical technology works. Remember her uselessness with the laptop and the guitar?
Post singularity where everyone lives in machines.

[ryanasaurus0077]

or there's no ocean anymore.


Mikuru has absolutely no knowledge of how physical technology works. Remember her uselessness with the laptop and the guitar?


If she has no knowledge of physical technology, she could be from thousands of years into the future.



She was probably briefed on common forms of transportation, at least...

No Fucking Shit!

[Roger Rambo]

No Fucking Shit!
Lose the 'tude brah.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Lose the 'tude brah.

Just trying to keep up the image of a grumpy and easily aggravated cynic who likes to review old movies and happens to be a favorite of mine.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Post singularity where everyone lives in machines.

Probably this.


On a slightly different topic, remember Yuki's story in Editor-in-Chief?

I always got the feeling that the "ghost girl" in the story was supposed to be Mikuru.

According to Yuki, those without names are "ghosts".

Fujiwara refuses to reveal his real name.

What if they don't have names in the future?

Just trying to keep up the image of a grumpy and easily aggravated cynic who likes to review old movies and happens to be a favorite of mine.

-_-

[wittyusername]

Just trying to keep up the image of a grumpy and easily aggravated cynic who likes to review old movies and happens to be a favorite of mine.

The Nostalgia Critic already exists. Give it a rest.


What if they don't have names in the future?


So Mikuru would either have chosen her name, or she would have been assigned one?

[ryanasaurus0077]

The Nostalgia Critic already exists. Give it a rest.

WAA-WAA-WAA-WAAAA! (shrug)

Seriously, it's not like I'm trying to become him. It's just that I like him a lot.

[Kaisos Erranon]

So Mikuru would either have chosen her name, or she would have been assigned one?

Given the nature of the time travelers, she was probably assigned one.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Which... amusingly means there's a possibility that Mikuru(Big) is just someone who looks surprisingly similar.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Which... amusingly means there's a possibility that Mikuru(Big) is just someone who looks surprisingly similar.

No, no, they're clearly the same person. The mole, among other things, proves that.

It's just that, say, if one spent one's entire life in sort of a gestalt mind, why would there be any need for names? You know who you are, and everyone else knows who you are, just by the nature of your very existence.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

The mole, among other things, proves that.

So you're saying it will be impossible to alter one's appearance in the distant future? :p

We're talking highly speculative material here, and neither Mikuru has been shown to be completely honest. There is a possibility that two close relatives were chosen to interact with the past, and that the older of the two took on the persona of being the younger, but from a slightly farther-off future.

No, I'm not entirely sure how much of this is serious and how much isn't.

[Cat Megex]

It's just that, say, if one spent one's entire life in sort of a gestalt mind, why would there be any need for names? You know who you are, and everyone else knows who you are, just by the nature of your very existence.

...Third Impact occurs at some point in the future?

[ryanasaurus0077]

...Third Impact occurs at some point in the future?

I don't know... why don't you sing about it? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TemptingFate)

[swtrooper42]

So Mikuru would either have chosen her name, or she would have been assigned one?

Obviously her real name is THX-19438. Maybe she's a set of clones that share memories?

No, no, they're clearly the same person. The mole, among other things, proves that.

Plus there's a whole set of time paradox's that wouldn't work out if she wasn't Mikuru.

Neither Mikuru has been shown to be completely honest
Plus there's that whole thing with her brain being programmed so that she can't reveal important information even if she wants to. You can't be too careful if you work for an organization that makes a living off of the space-time continuum. One wrong paradox could destroy the universe. One little time warp and they lose access to a whole section of time.

[Roger Rambo]

It's just that, say, if one spent one's entire life in sort of a gestalt mind, why would there be any need for names? You know who you are, and everyone else knows who you are, just by the nature of your very existence.
For when you had to interact with people in the past who weren't gestalt minds.

Which would ironically make Mikuru exactly the same a Yuki. A representative from an alien faction who has been modified from that groups norm to interact with another group. The Time travelers are just better at it.

Awesome.

[ryanasaurus0077]

For when you had to interact with people in the past who weren't gestalt minds.

Which would ironically make Mikuru exactly the same a Yuki. A representative from an alien faction who has been modified from that groups norm to interact with another group. The Time travelers are just better at it.

Awesome.

Adventure Ho!

[Nanao-kun]

For when you had to interact with people in the past who weren't gestalt minds.

Which would ironically make Mikuru exactly the same a Yuki. A representative from an alien faction who has been modified from that groups norm to interact with another group. The Time travelers are just better at it.

Awesome.

I'm posting from Canada.

Isn't the DITE separate from standard spacetime though? Or is my memory slipping up?

On another note, I do not think I will ever become used to ryanasaurus0077's behavior. It's a change of pace I suppose, but seeing an avatar with a 3D person in this thread is a little...

[ryanasaurus0077]

I'm posting from Canada.

Isn't the DITE separate from standard spacetime though? Or is my memory slipping up?

On another note, I do not think I will ever become used to ryanasaurus0077's behavior. It's a change of pace I suppose, but seeing an avatar with a 3D person in this thread is a little...

I'm glad someone thinks I'm weirder than Haruhi. Oh, and I couldn't find any 2-D images of the Nostalgia Critic, so I used a live-action image of him.

[wittyusername]

I'm posting from Canada.

Is that good or bad?

Isn't the DITE separate from standard spacetime though? Or is my memory slipping up?

I don't remember anything being mentioned about it being separate. The last time I read the novels was a while ago, though, so your guess is as good as mine.

...Why am I even saying anything if I don't know?

On another note, I do not think I will ever become used to ryanasaurus0077's behavior. It's a change of pace I suppose, but seeing an avatar with a 3D person in this thread is a little...

To me it's not even that it's a 3D person, it's that it's a non-idol/seiyuu 3D person. I've seen a few avatars and signatures with voice actresses and singers and whatnot in them, but to see a bearded white guy? It's just...weird for this forum.

[wittyusername]

Can someone please post something on topic before this guy wets his pants from the excitement of having figured out sarcasm? I can't believe that I'm asking for more on-topic discussions, considering how I've only ever posted something relevant to a topic about three times, but I don't want to have to clean up any puddles on my internet-carpet.

[Solais]

Uhh, strange for me to pop up here, but as I remember, in book 7 (I think, the full one before book 9), when Kyon and Mikuru is going around making possible to invent time travel, they:

- save some kid's life (not in that volume)
- give some impression to the same kid
- make sure somebody will be born
- and give somebody that damaged data container, with the basics of the time travel, who will decode it.

I think it means that time travel is invented by the next few generations, so it could be that Mikuru came from a not really far future.

[wittyusername]

Uhh, strange for me to pop up here, but as I remember, in book 7 (I think, the full one before book 9), when Kyon and Mikuru is going around making possible to invent time travel, they:

- save some kid's life (not in that volume)
- give some impression to the same kid
- make sure somebody will be born
- and give somebody that damaged data container, with the basics of the time travel, who will decode it.

I think it means that time travel is invented by the next few generations, so it could be that Mikuru came from a not really far future.

THANK YOU.

Yeah, that's in Intrigues. That's a good observation. It doesn't really help us figure out when exactly Mikuru is from, but it could still be useful information.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I think it means that time travel is invented by the next few generations, so it could be that Mikuru came from a not really far future.

I doubt we will have abandoned boats within the next century.

[swtrooper42]

If I remember correctly, that kid was responsible for one of the basic theories that led to the discovery of time travel, using the turtle and river as inspiration.
Which is like saying Isaac Newton is partly responsible for inventing rocketry because he "discovered" gravity.

The thing about time travelers is they can be from anywhere. For all we know, her Mikuru (Big) is Mikuru (Small)'s boss.

Oh, and I couldn't find any 2-D images of the Nostalgia Critic, so I used a live-action image of him.
Here, use this one (http://pugofdoom.deviantart.com/art/I-m-the-Nostalgia-Critic-117644369).

[Solais]

Maybe Mikuru is from an already altered world (altered by Haruhi, of course), making her not only a time traveler, but a slider as well?

[wittyusername]

If she was a slider too, I think she would have told Kyon that during her "I'm a time traveler" speech.

[swtrooper42]

Depending on which time travel theory you subscribe to, she could technically be a slider as well as a time traveler. She could be from a parallel universe (one of the redundant one's which is technically the same) and merely *inserted* herself into Kyon's time such as she says in her flipbook explanation (adding an extra image). This goes with the theory from the book Timeline that while it is impossible to go back in your own dimension, you can hop into any point in time in another dimension. To get a visual idea, just imagine two parallel lines next to each other.

Mikuru's time travel technology is only the basic stuff, which Yuki mockingly calls "Unreliable and primitive" in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody. Mikuru is surprised that Yuki is easily able to manipulate time not only in a broad sense, but in a small area such as a room. Yuki explains that it really doesn't matter what method of time travel you use, just a long as the data is transferred completely.
No matter how advanced they are, the fact remains that they're just novices next to someone who can manipulate the raw data of the world.

Can you come up with something better? And why not convince one of your fellow users to use an AVGN avatar?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4Gfs-yo9R3s/Scp4Sj2OrfI/AAAAAAAAAAs/fIwA26FZVKc/S220/kyon_facepalm.jpg
There's just no pleasing some people.

[Jintor]

I am going to punch you in the face right through the internet.

Mikuru's time travel technology is only the basic stuff, which Yuki mockingly calls "Unreliable and primitive" in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody. Mikuru is surprised that Yuki is easily able to manipulate time not only in a broad sense, but in a small area such as a room. Yuki explains that it really doesn't matter what method of time travel you use, just a long as the data is transferred completely.

No matter how advanced they are, the fact remains that they're just novices next to someone who can manipulate the raw data of the world.

Especially someone who can manipulate the raw data of the world and for whom time is not precisely an issue (ever since Kaisos brought it up I can't help but think of Yuki as Dr Manhattan, power-wise and somewhat temprement-wise at least)

[Jintor]

As far as I understand <s>Kaisos's demon plans</s> it, no.

/EDIT What, no strikeout tags? Lame.

[wittyusername]

So who would win? Organic Data Interface with full combat data or Esper with full closed space powers?

Data Interface. They could just edit the data of the Esper so that they were powerless, or so that they never existed in the first place.

*snip*

When your signature is deleted, I will laugh.

[swtrooper42]

Let's assume it just comes down to raw combat ability (no deleting or editing opponent).

[Ithekro]

The aliens seems to be able to project shields and have a much higher rate of movement...the above average human is not going to be able to get past their defenses. Add to this the use of any object as a weapon of unknown properties...the espers can't dodge them all.

[swtrooper42]

Organic Data Interface's are really broken aren't they?

[otai]

The Esper's full battle mode is to turn into a ball of light. You'd have to argue if they become beings of pure Harupower or not, and whether Alien data hax can manipulate harupowers like that.

On another note, can anyone tell if the North High girls uniform has breast pockets? That chess move Koizumi pulled; if Itsuko's shirt hasn't got a breast pocket, would she stuff it down her cleavage breast pocket?

[swtrooper42]

Itsuko: Look at it this way, my king is currently in check from your rook. Decisions, decisions, where should it escape to?
*Puts king in cleavage*
Itsuko: *winking* Well, was there anything inconsistent with my actions?
Kyonko: *sigh* Why do you use everything as an excuse to come on to me?

[Roger Rambo]

Itsuko: Look at it this way, my king is currently in check from your rook. Decisions, decisions, where should it escape to?
*Puts king in cleavage*
Itsuko: *winking* Well, was there anything inconsistent with my actions?
Kyonko: *sigh* Why do you use everything as an excuse to come on to me?
Except in that analogy, wouldn't she have to grab the queen, while Kyonko flicks at the king piece?

[wittyusername]

Either way, she'd be shoving chess pieces down her shirt. But yeah, the queen would make more sense.

[swtrooper42]

So now we gotta rewrite an entire analogy?

How's this?

Itsuko: Of course, while the queen has the greatest power as a piece, the king is the key to the game.

[Roger Rambo]

So now we gotta rewrite an entire analogy?

How's this?

Itsuko: Of course, while the queen has the greatest power as a piece, the king is the key to the game.
Except Kyonko doesn't have power...though I suppose you could spin that Haruki can't consciously use his power like a chess piece and that the person closest to manipulating his power is Kyonko.

I guess that could sorta work.

[CrowKenobi]

I'd leave it as is, with Itsuko making an allusion of some kind that keeps the original reference from the episode...

:cool:

[swtrooper42]

Ah, the trials of genderbending. Who knew that when the project started it would eventually be rewriting chess analogies in ways that still work.

But Kyonko does have the greatest power of all, being the most important person to Haruki, and having a way to stimulate Haruki's powers with the whole Jane Smith thing.
I suppose the queen could refer to Kyonko, since, like Kyon is to Haruhi, she is the key to Haruki.

That's the thing with metaphors, you can interpret them in whatever way you want.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

While I hate to break up everyone's fun visual of Itsuko putting long cylindrical objects between her breasts, I do find it necessary to point out that the skirts have pockets.

[besieger]

While I hate to break up everyone's fun visual of Itsuko putting long cylindrical objects between her breasts, I do find it necessary to point out that the skirts have pockets.

But doing it this way is way more hawt. :D

[dkellis]

In my opinion, Mikuru is either implausibly ignorant for a time-traveller, or putting on an act of ignorance.

Now, before I ramble onwards, I'd like to point out that this is overthinking the matter significantly. I sincerely doubt Tanigawa Nagaru thought things through this much; it's a high school comedy, at base, not hard science fiction.

Anyway, here we have Mikuru Asahina, who claims to be a low-level (bottom-rung, perhaps) agent. She gets dragged into Haruhi's schemes by virtue of Haruhi doing whatever the hell she wants, instead of conforming to expectations (see: Ryouko Asakura and Yuki Nagato, and their switched roles in observation/backup).

The question that then arises is: what is Mikuru doing in the Present Day in the first place, if she's so low-level?

I'd assume that if a time-traveller were to travel far enough into the past that they could not recognize a boat (the basic principles of boats have not changed all that much through the centuries), they would probably have to go through some extreme immersion training such that they could, especially if their operations theatre is an island nation.

It might make sense if Mikuru was not high-level enough to receive that kind of training, which again raises the issue of her proximity to Haruhi. If you're trying to figure out why you can't travel back more than three years prior to the time you're being sent to (for that matter, why three years? I'll get to that in a bit), it seems a bit odd to send a random low-level grunt without the necessary training to fit in, especially if you're supposed to be inconspicuous.

One possibility is that Mikuru gets sent back because that's all the time-travellers have. They could have seeded every time period with their agents in the hopes of finding Haruhi, ever since that incident Three Years Ago, but only Mikuru has had the (mis)fortune of being contacted by Haruhi. If you start sending so many people back, sooner or later you'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Another possibility is that Mikuru gets sent back because that's how it happened. Mikuru goes on about how time travel doesn't really change the past, but she has affected Haruhi's reactions (in a near world-changing way, especially towards the end of the first novel) to the point that it cannot be considered non-interference anymore.

As such, Mikuru has received some training, enough for her to survive in the Present Day and not seem like a complete lunatic. A little muddle-headed, perhaps, and quite naive, but still able to operate reasonably enough. Perhaps the future is not as unfamiliar as Mikuru's utterances have led us to believe.

This might also explain her confiding in Kyon about her true nature, despite the masquerade supposedly being in place. I do find it interesting that all three representatives of the factions in the SOS Brigade have revealed to Kyon what they are, despite supposedly not requiring to. In Yuki's case, this is likely because Kyon Prime is sleeping in one of her side rooms, while Mikuru was told (subliminally?) to tell Kyon about time-travellers. Koizumi told Kyon because everyone else already did, and Kyon had already guessed as much anyway.

Now that Mikuru is close to Haruhi, it is likely that she would have been given a lot more orders and a lot less freedom in action. A supervisor is likely required; this is most probably Big Asahina, although I must admit that way back when the series was first airing I guessed Tsuruya, who seems like the sort of character Haruhi would confide in. (This later got disproven by Koizumi; I assume that the Organization is at least thorough in their background checks, especially if it concerns another faction.)

And then there's the idea that Mikuru has been lying all the way, which is certainly A Plot Twist, although a pretty tired one by now.

Personally I think it's a sort of combination: Mikuru is actually a lot more intelligent than she looks, but she still has no idea what she's supposed to do here in the Present Day, apart from getting abused by Haruhi. So she does know what a boat is, but she acts like she doesn't in order to maintain her aura of naivete, whether for Kyon's benefit or for the SOS Brigade in general. Nevertheless, her displayed personality (easily flustered, kind of emotionally fragile, etc) is probably her true one, unlike Koizumi's. Mikuru just plays it up a bit more for the audience.

Note also that we see this through Kyon's eyes, and apart from his obvious bias with regards to Mikuru's cuteness, he also tends to expect people to act in a certain way, and so we may be seeing the results of perception bias. This is pretty normal, incidentally; consider the phrase "out of character" as applied to one of your Real Life friends or acquaintances.

[Jintor]

Either way, she'd be shoving chess pieces down her shirt. But yeah, the queen would make more sense.

My brain just imploded.

Also, I like your final analysis of Mikuru, Dkellis.

[dkellis]

Personally I'm not entirely certain exactly what sort of, er, size is needed for a chess piece to be... inserted? Slotted? There's no way I can phrase that without making it sound eyebrow-wagglingly suggestive, is there?

I mean, it's not really the sort of thing you can ask a female acquaintance.

[Jintor]

The phrase 'shoving chess pieces down her shirt' is friggin' hilarious.

Like. Maybe it's to do with the complete unlikelihood of coming across the phrase ever. But it's funny.

[otai]

Except Kyonko doesn't have power...though I suppose you could spin that Haruki can't consciously use his power like a chess piece and that the person closest to manipulating his power is Kyonko.

I guess that could sorta work.
Maybe something along the line; The king is the most vital piece on the board, but the queen has the greatest freedom of movement?

One way is to have Kyonko put Itsuko's king into check with her queen. Then Itsuko removes Kyonko's queen from the board.

Whether she actually puts it in her shirt... let's see what the consensus is here.

*snip

You know, it's interesting to try and imagine how having a time travel machine would affect your organization. It seems the best way to make any decision is to wait for your future self to contact you with the solution. Also, would orders from future time variant superiors take priority, or current time variant superiors?

Mikuru is most likely sent to complete a stable time loop; given the barest need to know info. As to why she wouldn't understand a boat, the simplest answer is that airheads ask the darndest things.

But a better story would be made from imagining Mikuru as a well trained agent with an agenda; maybe even deliberately self-brainwashed like in Total Recall.

[Solais]

Maybe Mikuru is a renegade freedom fighter from the war-torn wastelands of Mars, she just lying and want to use Haruhi's power to destroy the evil Empire. Or what. Who knows?

[besieger]

Personally I'm not entirely certain exactly what sort of, er, size is needed for a chess piece to be... inserted? Slotted? There's no way I can phrase that without making it sound eyebrow-wagglingly suggestive, is there?

I mean, it's not really the sort of thing you can ask a female acquaintance.

I agree it's not, but I DO have an acquaintance that I believe can do that. So possibly American D-cup.

[Jintor]

As funny as it is, she'd still put it in her shirt pocket, not in her... Victoria's Secret Compartment. :|

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

As funny as it is, she'd still put it in her shirt pocket, not in her... Victoria's Secret Compartment. :|

The thing that started this was whether or not the female uniform even has a shirt pocket. Hence why I had brought up the fact that, if nothing else, the skirt does.

[Ithekro]

Mikure did state that her training/conditioning brings up a sort of compartmental structure to her brain. If she's not suppose to tell someone something it comes back as "classifed information" by default. She couldn't tell you if she wanted to do so. She has enough information about the present day that she fits in enough...and/or her looks help gloss over any irregularities. She's enrolled in high school, and while there is not real sighting of her in class, you'd assume she has at least passing grades or else there would be some sort of issue about it. Also she does have at least one "regular" friend and probably an entire school's worth of boys who watch her. One would guess that to make for a good cover she would have been inserted three years ago, but that would be if they knew she's be Haruhi's target. Long enough so she's not too mysterious, or too out of place. But then that piece of information is missing I suppose. She would have had to have given an introduction speech the first day of High School, so she's need a cover story, or to have actually went to one of the local middle schools so that her appearance wouldn't be so sudden. (on the other hand they might have made her a foriegn exchange student that happens to have good working Japanese speaking and writing skills. (she was in the calligraphy club).

Her knowledge seem to be the most limited in areas of culture, the workings of several types of machine (but enough knowledge to possibly operate them even if she doesn't understand how they work), and maybe a few other things here and there. Again the boat thing might be a simple thing of not ever having seen a boat before and never having to have needed to know what one is. They might still have them, just Mikuru didn't need to know about it, so it never came up. (Think living in someplace on the Great Plains or Great Australian Desert....why would you ever see a boat?) Logic would suggest a large metal object would sink in water if you'd never encounted a boat before. Or worse yet, if she lived in one of those proposed super towers that are basically miles high and have the population of an entire large city living in it. Mostly self contained...she'd never have to leave, and then may never have been to the ocean, or at least a real one (artificial wave generating play areas might be common).

We just don't have enough information on Mikuru or Mikuru's time to really know for sure what things are like. The face presented doesn't seem to have harsh conditions, nor are they trying to alter history (intentionally) to prevent anything from happening...so one would suggest that the era they life is at least livable and not entirely unpleasent.

[Roger Rambo]

We just don't have enough information on Mikuru or Mikuru's time to really know for sure what things are like. The face presented doesn't seem to have harsh conditions, nor are they trying to alter history (intentionally) to prevent anything from happening...so one would suggest that the era they life is at least livable and not entirely unpleasent.
Not really. Even if their future was unpleasant, it'd still be the better option for them. Because it wouldn't be THEIR future and they wouldn't be in it. Change a few things that happened historically and you've suddenly erased the future people with completely different individuals.

Thus why the Time travelers should logically end up doing rather...immoral things.

[Kaisos Erranon]

*snip*

Simplest answer:

Mikuru was never told what a boat was because Big Mikuru informed her superiors that she was never told what a boat was when she was in Mikuru's position.

LOL TIME TRAVEL

[DannyCat]

The thing that started this was whether or not the female uniform even has a shirt pocket. Hence why I had brought up the fact that, if nothing else, the skirt does.Even if she had pockets on both, it wouldn't preclude the possibility of simply dropping it down her shirt collar as an option.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Fair enough. I suppose I hadn't thought of that.

[Jintor]

But she wouldn't.

It's hard to say what's 'fanon' and what's 'fan-fanon' in a situation like this but Itsuki, whatever people say, is not actually blatently sexual.

At least, that's not how I would write her. Kaisos may have a different opinion. In my mind, though, it distracts from the metaphor.

[DannyCat]

Would stuffing it in her cheek like a hamster be too blatant?

[Jintor]

Anything more ridiculous than putting it her pocket detracts from the metaphor, which should be the focus of the reader's imagination rather than, um, Itsuko at this point.

[Roger Rambo]

Yeah. Just have her put it in her pocket. Itsuko in the...actual write up isn't as sexualized in the fanon canon as she is in the fanon fanon.

Now, back to documenting my fucked up dreams.

[DannyCat]

The metaphor? Oh, I missed that part. I was just contemplating the image of Itsuko with hamster habits.

And I've only gotten around to watching that episode once unsubbed so far, hadn't read it in book format either.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Yeah. Just have her put it in her pocket. Itsuko in the...actual write up isn't as sexualized in the fanon canon as she is in the fanon fanon.

Now, back to documenting my fucked up dreams.

I'm pretty sure it'd be "canon fanon." "Fanon canon" seems to indicate fan speculation on official material, while "canon fanon" sounds like it means official fan material.

[Jintor]

Fanon in D-Dur.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Oh no, we aren't starting THAT again :heh:

[Jintor]

Pachabel's Fanon. :D

[CrowKenobi]

Yeah. Just have her put it in her pocket. Itsuko in the...actual write up isn't as sexualized in the fanon canon as she is in the fanon fanon.Except do we know if the female uniform top has pockets? :p

:cool:

[wittyusername]

Except do we know if the female uniform top has pockets? :p

:cool:

If it does, they're hidden well.

[Aebliss]

If it does, they're hidden well.

Just say there are pockets hidden under the huge sailor collars. It could hapen.

[Ithekro]

I think the question is if it has shirt pockets. Having her move the piece and put it in her skirt pocket probably wouldn't work visually.

[Aebliss]

I think the question is if it has shirt pockets. Having her move the piece and put it in her skirt pocket probably wouldn't work visually.

There could easily be pockets hidden underneath the huge sailor collar. *shrug*

[ryanasaurus0077]

My idea is sure to further Seitenkan: before Itsuko heads into battle in Chapter 6, she invites Kyonko to peek up her skirt, and Kyonko lands a Precision F Strike (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PrecisionFStrike) by shouting something you wouldn't expect anyone to say in the series, let alone Kyonko: "Shut the fuck up Itsuko!" Itsuko responds by saying, "Very well. My lips are sealed."

[Aebliss]

Ryanasaus, seriously ... please stop this. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean well, but you need to watch the ebb and flow of the forum a bit better. Read all the work that has already been done and get a better feel for what we've been going for so far. Then bring in suggestions.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Ryanasaus, seriously ... please stop this. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean well, but you need to watch the ebb and flow of the forum a bit better. Read all the work that has already been done and get a better feel for what we've been going for so far. Then bring in suggestions.

What, do you think I'm impatient or something, that I'd bring up an idea without even reading the whole thread? I'm telling you, I have no time to get through 100 pages of any thread, let alone this one. But if I did have the time, I suppose I might.

[wittyusername]

What, do you think I'm impatient or something, that I'd bring up an idea without even reading the whole thread? I'm telling you, I have no time to get through 100 pages of any thread, let alone this one. But if I did have the time, I suppose I might.

You could at least scan through the last few pages. I don't think it would help much, because I have a feeling that this is just how you work, or just what you want your obnoxious act to be, but maybe I'm wrong. I usually am.

I don't know if this and how I post are related or not, but I read through most of this thread before I started to write anything here. I lurked here for a while before actually joining, and I used that time to figure out what was going on here -- and though I am most definitely still annoying might still be annoying, I'm not constantly spouting out useless and repetitive ideas.

[Ithekro]

Actually it would be helpful to have gone through at least the chapters that are finished already. That particular scene has already been done, as have a few pieces of artwork based on it (or maybe the written scene was based on the artwork...it is hard to say sometimes). Those are not nearly as long as this thread, and are grouped up someplace.

805 pages.....still going....

[ryanasaurus0077]

You could at least scan through the last few pages. I don't think it would help much, because I have a feeling that this is just how you work, or just what you want your obnoxious act to be, but maybe I'm wrong. I usually am.

I don't know if this and how I post are related or not, but I read through most of this thread before I started to write anything here. I lurked here for a while before actually joining, and I used that time to figure out what was going on here -- and though I might still be annoying, I'm not constantly spouting out useless and repetitive ideas.

Are you calling a Precision F Strike from Kyonko a "useless" idea? Because if it is, I'll go ahead and follow your advice. If not, fine.

[wittyusername]

Are you calling a Precision F Strike from Kyonko a "useless" idea? Because if it is, I'll go ahead and follow your advice. If not, fine.

Yes. That is exactly what I am doing. My opinion doesn't mean shit to the people who are actually writing anything here, but I think that idea would amount to even less than a waste of time.

You know that you can make a post without using a trope name in it, right?

[ryanasaurus0077]

Yes. That is exactly what I am doing. My opinion doesn't mean shit to the people who are actually writing anything here, but I think that idea would amount to even less than a waste of time.

On one image on the page for The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya on harupedia.org, the event I just mentioned is actually depicted, but with "Shut the fuck up" shortened to "STFU". Did you see that image?

[wittyusername]

On one image on the page for The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya on harupedia.org, the event I just mentioned is actually depicted, but with "Shut the fuck up" shortened to "STFU". Did you see that image?

I'm fairly sure that comic was done in a different tone than what the rewrites of the novels/the VN are done in.

That image is in the collection with the "FUCK YEAH OUENDAN" comic, and the one where Yuuki approves of Kyonko's swimsuit. I don't think your idea could work unless it was done in a much more OOC manner than anything being made in this thread. So basically, any point you were trying to make there (unless your point was FUCK YEAH OUENDAN) has been rendered moot.

I know that the ouendan thing was a translator's note, but still.

You're getting boring, ryanasaurus.

I'm sorry for feeding the troll. I'm stopping now.

[ryanasaurus0077]

I'm fairly sure that comic was done in a different tone than what the rewrites of the novels/the VN are done in.

That image is in the collection with the "FUCK YEAH OUENDAN" comic, and the one where Yuuki approves of Kyonko's swimsuit. I don't think your idea could work unless it was done in a much more OOC manner than anything being made in this thread. So basically, any point you were trying to make there (unless your point was FUCK YEAH OUENDAN) has been rendered moot.

I know that the ouendan thing was a translator's note, but still.

You're getting boring, ryanasaurus.

I'm sorry for feeding the troll. I'm stopping now.

If that's how you feel about me, I'm going to read through this whole thread when I have the time.

[Jintor]

Good, the rest of us did.

Gratiutious swearing in the novel rewrite is a no-no, just so you know.

My idea is sure to further Seitenkan: before Itsuko heads into battle in Chapter 6, she invites Kyonko to peek up her skirt, and Kyonko lands a Precision F Strike (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PrecisionFStrike) by shouting something you wouldn't expect anyone to say in the series, let alone Kyonko: "Shut the fuck up Itsuko!" Itsuko responds by saying, "Very well. My lips are sealed."

PS You obviously didn't bother to read the last few pages, where the difference between "Official" fanon Itsuko and fanon sexobject!Itsuko was pointed out.

[Mimir]

How about have Itsuko wear something that has an upper pocket, like a cardigan? Kinda cliched though. T_T

[wittyusername]

How about have Itsuko wear something that has an upper pocket, like a cardigan? Kinda cliched though. T_T

That is smart.

You are smart.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It's summer. Not even Yuki wears one during summer months.

[wittyusername]

Never mind, then. I forgot about that. >_>;

[Mimir]

Yeah, I forgot about that as well.

How about she gets something like an envelope and puts the piece there, then puts it inside her uniform ala "Female Agent" style?

Okay, that was more cliched than before. >_>

[Cat Megex]

...Just to throw my two cents in, I like the cleavage idea, if only as a joke/omake-type thing.

(Like with the Yuuki-kissing-Kyonko-on-the-cheek thing.)

[Mimir]

I wonder how Kyonko will react to that?
(Surprised, shocked, disgusted...)

[Jintor]

Omake good, as part of actual rewrite bad, let's just put it in a pocket hey?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Skirt pocket. Now all of you can shut up.


Also, ryanatrollsaurus0077 isn't banned yet? Curses, was hoping, in my absence...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

And by "pocket," he means a piece of fabric attached to clothing in a manner that it can be used to hold things. Not any other kind of "pocket"

[Mimir]

Just throw in a hidden pocket to make ends meet. I think the "under-the-collars-pocket" will work.

I was also thinking of something like putting it in a purse or something along the lines, but if you're sticking with pockets, then pockets we go. XD

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Skirt pocket has already been decided upon.

[CrowKenobi]

I didn't see Itsuki put that piece in his pants pocket... :p

:cool:

She should just tuck the piece behind that blue patch that covers the cleavage and not do anything suggestive...

[yggdrasil325]

I didn't see Itsuki put that piece in his pants pocket... :p

:cool:

She should just tuck the piece behind that blue patch that covers the cleavage and not do anything suggestive...

Isn't that taking things a little too literally...? Skirt pocket works well enough for the scene.

[CrowKenobi]

Isn't that taking things a little too literally...? Skirt pocket works well enough for the scene.Except then, she's taking the piece and putting it under the table (which sends a totally different message). As a compromise, since Itsuko's bag is on the table, she puts the piece in it instead...

:cool:

[yggdrasil325]

Except then, she's taking the piece and putting it under the table (which sends a totally different message). As a compromise, since Itsuko's bag is on the table, she puts the piece in it instead...

:cool:

I see your point... I dunno, any of these three ways could work, really, if explained properly.

[WordShaker]

A skill-bereft person has arrived to pay homage, despite have lurked here for a little over half a year. I'll probably end up being an annoying snob, but until then...

I've decided to be part of the insanity.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Hooray! More fuel for the fire!

[wittyusername]

A skill-bereft person has arrived to pay homage, despite have lurked here for a little over half a year. I'll probably end up being an annoying snob, but until then...

I've decided to be part of the insanity.

Are....are you me?

Anyway, yay for lurking in the past, and yay for deciding to join in. Just wait for the greeter, he'll show up eventually...

[Jintor]

No, Wassupimviet is older. And presumably Vietnamese.

I accept you on the basis that you aren't Ryansaurus.

[dkellis]

To be honest, before I was distracted by the comedy value of Itsuko putting the chess piece in her chest piece, I had the idea that she did a sleight-of-hand vanishing trick.

Not only that, she does it badly, so Kyonko knows that it's not ESP, and says as much. Itsuko just laughs it off and goes "you know what I mean".

It may still distract too much from the point, though.

[ryanasaurus0077]

*snip*

I swear, if I hear the word "troll" out of anyone's mouth one more time, I'm going to keep my word and start reading through this whole thread just so I can get the hang of it!

[Joe4evr]

putting the chess piece in her chest piece:D

I swear, if I hear the word "troll" out of anyone's mouth one more time, I'm going to keep my word and start reading through this whole thread just so I can get the hang of it!Be sure to mention how long you did when you finish reading.:heh:

[ryanasaurus0077]

Be sure to mention how long you did when you finish reading.:heh:

thx a lot!

[WordShaker]

Hooray! More fuel for the fire!
I didn't know the fires of Seitenkan were fed through human sacrifice. Oddly enough, it makes sense...

Are....are you me?
From the not too distant future. In an alternative universe. Maybe.

No, Wassupimviet is older. And presumably Vietnamese.
Tis also my first name. "Viet", that is.

Hah. Thanks for the welcomes. Just waiting for the luminescent green.

On the current topic, doesn't the whole "king-queen" metaphor rely only on the piece being removed from play? Why not just have Itsuko set it aside?

[dkellis]

On the current topic, doesn't the whole "king-queen" metaphor rely only on the piece being removed from play? Why not just have Itsuko set it aside?

From my reading (which, again, could be overthinking it), simply putting the piece aside is not quite enough to convey the metaphor. What Koizumi (I'll use the canon-male version here) wants to do is to show a bit more than "the piece is removed from play".

Putting the piece to the side does mean that it's no longer in play, but it's an accepted convention in chess to denote such. Here, Koizumi is likely trying to convey the sense of an Outside Context Problem, and so he does something that is completely out of the bounds of the rules and conventions of chess.

It's like the difference between Kyon falling down the stairs and having to stay in the hospital for a week or so, and Kyon being shunted into an alternate universe. The chess piece is not only no longer in play, it is no longer in the context space of the chess set. The chess set is now missing a piece, and there also happens to be a strangely-carved object that resembles a chess piece in another context space (here, Koizumi's shirt pocket).

I'm not sure if I'm describing it correctly, sorry.

[Nanao-kun]

I swear, if I hear the word "troll" out of anyone's mouth one more time, I'm going to keep my word and start reading through this whole thread just so I can get the hang of it!

Hm. Urges.

From my reading (which, again, could be overthinking it), simply putting the piece aside is not quite enough to convey the metaphor. What Koizumi (I'll use the canon-male version here) wants to do is to show a bit more than "the piece is removed from play".

Putting the piece to the side does mean that it's no longer in play, but it's an accepted convention in chess to denote such. Here, Koizumi is likely trying to convey the sense of an Outside Context Problem, and so he does something that is completely out of the bounds of the rules and conventions of chess.

It's like the difference between Kyon falling down the stairs and having to stay in the hospital for a week or so, and Kyon being shunted into an alternate universe. The chess piece is not only no longer in play, it is no longer in the context space of the chess set. The chess set is now missing a piece, and there also happens to be a strangely-carved object that resembles a chess piece in another context space (here, Koizumi's shirt pocket).

I'm not sure if I'm describing it correctly, sorry.

No, this is good. This words it quite nicely.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I swear, if I hear the word "troll" out of anyone's mouth one more time, I'm going to keep my word and start reading through this whole thread just so I can get the hang of it!Technically speaking, you just said it in that post...

I didn't know the fires of Seitenkan were fed through human sacrifice. Oddly enough, it makes sense...Not what I meant, but it does sound like it'd be fun to try.

Just waiting for the luminescent green.It'll come, give it time.

[besieger]

Technically speaking, you just said it in that post...

Not what I meant, but it does sound like it'd be fun to try.

It'll come, give it time.

*Starts chanting in incomprehensible Buddhist prayers which some words sound like "troll"*

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

*Starts chanting in incomprehensible Buddhist prayers which some words sound like "troll"*

How about going with a Christmas-y theme?

Troll the ancient yuletide carol... :p

[WordShaker]

*snip*

That's a good point. Though, I don't think Tanigawa put that much thought into the canon.

Not what I meant, but it does sound like it'd be fun to try.

*throws himself into the flames*

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

. . . Damn it, I lost us another one...

[besieger]

How about going with a Christmas-y theme?

Troll the ancient yuletide carol... :p

As some of my RL friends know, I'm ardently anti-Christian. Especially Catholics.

. . . Damn it, I lost us another one...

Why did you encourage him then! :heh:

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Well how was I supposed to know that he'd sacrifice himself? :heh:

*e* Also, the heavily commercialized version of Christmas most people are familiar with could hardly be considered "Christian." Or religious, for that matter.

[besieger]

Words have a strong effect on the younger ones you know... :heh:

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Well now I come with a warning label. Hopefully this tragedy won't happen again.

[DJ_RockmanX]

*sigh*

What the hell happened to all that beautiful progress while I was gone...

[Kaisos Erranon]

IT'S DEAAAAAAAAD

LIKE MY PARENTS


DEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDD



I'll have something up tonight and tomorrow.

Jintor, because you're right about the Seitenkan half of Day Zero being boring, I'm going to do something a little different with it.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Why do you not tell me the details of "going to do something a little different with it" and instead opt for "heh heh heh"?

It might help my mood to be anticipating something nice.

[Joe4evr]

IT'S DEAAAAAAAAD

LIKE MY PARENTS


DEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDWait.

You're Batman?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Why do you not tell me the details of "going to do something a little different with it" and instead opt for "heh heh heh"?

It might help my mood to be anticipating something nice.

Heh heh heh.

Wait.

You're Batman?

No, but, considering the role I appear to have assigned one character in particular...

[GenericSS]

I love this thread.

[swtrooper42]

Oh that Batman.
http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/00.gif
http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/01.gif
http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/02.gif
http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/03.gif
http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/04.gif
http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/05.gif
http://www.pvponline.com/images/batman/06.gif
http://sloblogs.thetribunenews.com/shelikestowatch/files/2008/07/batman-panel.JPG

[Jintor]

Did anybody else feel that Bats was a combination of Miller!Bats and Rorschach there?

[Cat Megex]

A skill-bereft person has arrived to pay homage, despite have lurked here for a little over half a year. I'll probably end up being an annoying snob, but until then...

I've decided to be part of the insanity.

WELCOME. YOUR INSANITY SALL SHERVE KYONKO WELL.

It'll come, give it time.

*coughs*

Sorry for the delay.

Here, Koizumi is likely trying to convey the sense of an Outside Context Problem, and so he does something that is completely out of the bounds of the rules and conventions of chess.

...dkellis, are you a telepathic? I only just today read about Outside Context Problems (and who coined the term) and, on a general level, Black Swan events.

...Note that this started when I was trying to figure out what .mui files actually do in Vista, besides being resource files for certain system executables (like screensavers). And that, of course, was because... well, it was out of curiosity, as I already knew that they were a type of resource file, but I saw the extension in the context of the fact that the Vista-original screen savers (Aurora, Ribbons, Bubbles, and the redone Mystify) don't have settings that you can change from the Windows Appearance menu but have the proper dialog boxes stored in their resource files and can have their settings altered by creating certain Registry entries. What the hell, Microsoft.

On another note, does anybody know what it means when a set of transducers (ones that measure physical force and are connected to a single data-collection device, which is then connected to a computer) start randomly giving you "NaN" (i.e. "Not a Number") instead of a proper measurement? It wasn't the wiring of the transducers to the data collection device, nor the wiring of the device to the computer, but because of the way the tests I'm running are set up, getting NaN as a value rather than an actual number automatically stops the test. (Which does make sense, as discontinuities, spikes, and drops would make test data quite inaccurate.) Note that NaN will still randomly appear even when no forces are applied to any of the transducers and the measurements are 0, and that otherwise the devices work fine.

I have a hunch that it might be due to random drops in voltage or current or something in the system, though, which, if I'm not mistaken, would likely mean that there is a loose connection or are loose connections somewhere in the setup. I have no clue if that's actually what it is, though.
...Yeah, I had a long day at work.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Did anybody else feel that Bats was a combination of Miller!Bats and Rorschach there?

No, Rorschach doesn't really try to justify his actions. He does them because they're self-justifying, from his worldview.

The monologing was pretty Rorschach though.


ON topic, what are we having "SOS" stand for in the VN?

Could do "Spreading excitement all Over the world", which is what the dub used, or "Save the world by Overloading it with fun", which is what Strato and the translations based off of his used.

Discuss, please. Strato's version (the same one the official novel version used) is my preference, but...

[Cat Megex]

ON topic, what are we having "SOS" stand for in the VN?

Could do "Spreading excitement all Over the world", which is what the dub used, or "Save the world by Overloading it with fun", which is what Strato and the translations based off of his used.

Discuss, please. Strato's version (the same one the official novel version used) is my preference, but...

I, too, prefer the latter.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Also does anyone have the official novel translation on hand to see how they translated "Computer Research Society"?

(I'm probably going to go with the Strato translations on everything, for standardization's sake.)

[wittyusername]

They left it as the Computer Research Society.

[Cat Megex]

Also does anyone have the official novel translation on hand to see how they translated "Computer Research Society"?

(I'm probably going to go with the Strato translations on everything, for standardization's sake.)

The official translation is "Computer Research Society". :x

[Kaisos Erranon]

They left it as the Computer Research Society.

Blech. I always hated that translation... it sounds so Engrishy.

Whatever then. Thank you.

[wittyusername]

Blech. I always hated that translation... it sounds so Engrishy.

Engrish is only acceptable on things such as crappy Yan Yan, when you can laugh at it and never have to see it again. With the translation, it just keeps popping up over and over again.

[swtrooper42]

Stratos version all the way.
Because whenever I think of SOS in my head, I think "Save the world by Overloading it with fun Suzumiya Haruhi's Brigade".

EDIT: typo

[Kaisos Erranon]

Stratos version all the way.
Because whenever I think of SOS in my head, I think "Save the world by Overloading it with fun Suzuimya Haruhi's Brigade".

Mya mya myacology mankind mya? Très bie~n! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-RagBfKhg)


Another difficulty discovered: The American school system refers to the three years as "freshman, junior, and senior". The problem comes when trying to convert this over into the Japanese high school system and the "senpai/kouhai" thing, which when translated are identical to two of the above.

As a result I can't refer to Mikuru as a "pretty junior"... curses.

[swtrooper42]

Mya mya myacology mankind mya? Très bie~n! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-RagBfKhg)


Well, I'm only human. I make typos.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well, I'm only human. I make typos.

No, it just reminded me of Ima Made no Arasuji is all, and thus it made me laugh.

Not at you, mind.

[WordShaker]

*revives through the grace of the Goddess Haruhi*

Late, but I agree with the consensus on Strato's translations, if that means anything.

[Nanao-kun]

*revives through the grace of the Goddess Haruhi*

Late, but I agree with the consensus on Strato's translations, if that means anything.

Oh, you're back. I agree with you.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The entire latter bit of this is from Jintor already, but the opening monologue is there just to set the mood and act as a minor introduction to the Brigade members and the metaplot.

[Scene: Brigade HQ, Afternoon]

Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no cognitive function to complete the actions I've done every day for nearly half a year.

The old school building, referred to by most students as the “Old Shack”, is the housing for all clubs that do not have their own, specialized clubroom. (For example, the Computer Research Society, the purposed of which should be self-explanatory.)

And in the Old Shack, currently occuping the defunct Literature Clubroom, is the Save the world by Overloading it with fun: Haruhi Suzumiya's Brigade, or “The SOS Brigade”, for short.

I apologize for the name making little sense in context. This, too, is not my fault.

The Brigade is composed of five members:

Haruhi Suzumiya, who has already been introduced, and, in any case, needs no introduction.

Yuki Nagato, a quiet girl and a former member of the Literature Club, recruited when Haruhi took over the clubroom. She's also an alien of some sort.

Mikuru Asahina, a cute girl one year our senior. She was dragged into the Brigade against her will, and forced to cosplay as such things as a maid or a nurse, for some reason. She also happens to be a time traveler from the future.

Itsuki Koizumi, a transfer student with a perpetual, smarmy grin. He was recruited because Haruhi seems to believe that all transfer students are automatically mysterious. He also has various paranormal abilities, which therefore makes him an esper.

And then there's me. I thought I said there wasn't anything special about me already.

Anyway. I'm in the clubroom now, and school's out.

Since the school's cafeteria isn't open yet, Her Highness Haruhi has wandered off to the restaurant outside school grounds to satisfy her biological needs. Everybody's shot off in their different directions, with their different things to do, except Koizumi here, who's sitting across from me with his usual grin.

Itsuki: Well, she is a genius. No doubt she was a child prodigy, so a holiday assignment like this wouldn't have been anything like a burden to her. Such a remarkable personality wouldn't even have bothered thinking of having to share the work with her friends - I mean, from her point of view, she wouldn't even have considered the fact that others might not be able to do the assignment with ease.

I shook my head, sighing. Even theoretically, Haruhi was fundamentally selfish. No, not the right word - she didn't take into consideration the feelings of others. A subtle difference.

Unfolding the collapsible chair, I sat by the windowpane. Today was orientation day, after all, so I had originally planned to head straight home, but I though I'd take a quick detour to see if Nagato was in the clubroom.

Koizumi had joined me on the way here, but Nagato was decidedly absent. These last 594 years must have been tiring ones, even for an alien-human interface like Nagato.

Outside, the forlorn cries of the higurashi echo through the sky. Summer had finally ended; I was sure of that. And yet-

Kyon: It's like a dream! We've repeated these last two weeks of August fifteen-thousand something-odd times...

Itsuki: ...I wouldn't call what we've experienced something as trivial as a 'dream'.

He smiles at me, genuinely friendly, yet somehow odd, and starts to shuffle a deck of cards that he produces out of nowhere. Like a magician, or more accurately, some kind of con-artist.

Itsuki: But what else are we to call it? There should be no common memory between the 'us' that have existed within those last fifteen-thousand, four-hundred and ninety-seven fortnights. They don't exist on the same timeline. Only the 'us' that have broken the cycle and advanced to September the 1st should remember anything, and even then...

Koizumi pauses momentarily, the ace of spades between his slender fingers.

Itsuki: Logically speaking, they - sorry, we - should only remember the memories that we experienced directly.

Kyon: Logic goes completely out the window with Haruhi around.

After all, I was definitely getting severe deja vu by that last iteration of the holidays. Perhaps it was the last, desperate gifts of the thousands of 'Me' that came before, trapped in an endless summer with no visible escape; the thoughts of a thousand versions of myself, longing for an end to an endless summer.

Well, I guess it's thanks to the efforts of the thousands trapped that this 'me' - that is to say, me - can get back on track with the rest of his life. I mean, my life.

(Sometimes, I think the worst part of time travel is keeping track of all the pronouns.)

And if I didn't think that way, well, then all those summer holidays would have been absolutely wasted. Not to mention all those 'me's' who were trapped in that seemingly endless loop...

When I asked Nagato about variations, I didn't let her finish. I wonder how strange some of those 'Me's' got. Especially the ones who knew, in the end, that everything they did was for nothing, and the entire world would just reset back to the way it was.

I sure hope none of them went insane.


Itsuki: Would you like to play poker?

The deck between his hands blurs slightly as Koizumi begins to deal cards, like some kind of amateur magician. It can't hurt to keep him entertained. And it'll distract me from this slightly disturbing line of thinking.

Kyon: Alright, but only if there's no money involved. My wallet always ends up moth-infested after we play for cash.

Itsuki: If that is your wish, so it shall be. We'll play for chips.

I only ever win big when winning doesn't matter. I sigh and pick up my cards.

...A royal flush? That's a first.

I swore in the back of my mind that if I were ever to repeat this day, I'd be betting cash for sure.

I'll talk about visual effects that would be needed if anyone cares. Also, more later.

[yggdrasil325]

What about the Integrated Data Sentient Entity? Are we going to leave it as such or go with the novel's Data Overmind?

[Nanao-kun]

What about the Integrated Data Sentient Entity? Are we going to leave it as such or go with the novel's Data Overmind?

I thought it was the Integrated Data Thought Entity.

[WordShaker]

I'm fairly sure the BT translation was "Integrated Data Sentient Entity".

[CrowKenobi]

I'm fairly sure the BT translation was "Integrated Data Sentient Entity".Stratos used that (but used "Thought" instead of "Sentient") in the first season, but used "Data Overmind" for Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody... either one works for me. :D

:cool:

And try using "Second Year" for Mikuru...

[Kaisos Erranon]

What about the Integrated Data Sentient Entity? Are we going to leave it as such or go with the novel's Data Overmind?

Data Overmind. That was Strato's idea, I'm positive.

Also the original a.f.k. subs were "Data Integration Thought Entity".


And try using "Second Year" for Mikuru...

I'd honestly prefer to find a single word for that.

[Cat Megex]

Data Overmind. That was Strato's idea, I'm positive.

I kindly request that we don't use that. Or were you not the one who agreed with me that "Integrated Data Sentient Entity" sounded better? (...Though I can't remember what the consensus on "Celestial" vs. "Avatar" was.)

...On the other hand, "Canopy Domain" sounds just as bad as "Data Overmind", and yet it's the term I've seen more often for Kuyoh's group.

I'd honestly prefer to find a single word for that.

...Well, compound words are always useful. "Second-year", perhaps?

[Kaisos Erranon]

I kindly request that we don't use that. Or were you not the one who agreed with me that "Integrated Data Sentient Entity" sounded better? (Or was that just on "Avatar"?)

Like I said, I'm using the official translations wherever possible. We want to remain consistent.

And yes, "Avatar" sounds better simply because it perfectly describes them, which is why I'm not using "Celestial" even though Strato did.

I'd argue that "Data Overmind" perfectly describes the aliens, as well.


...Well, compound words are always useful. "Second-year", perhaps?

Hrr. Good enough.

[dragon4dudes]

I'd honestly prefer to find a single word for that.

...Well, compound words are always useful. "Second-year", perhaps?

Junior, Sophomore, ye-no. Besides, it'd be Junior year. Second year sounds better IMO.

I kindly request that we don't use that. Or were you not the one who agreed with me that "Integrated Data Sentient Entity" sounded better? (...Though I can't remember what the consensus on "Celestial" vs. "Avatar" was.

Change of heart? Suddenly thought of Yugioh there... but whatever.

Also, that royal flush thing. Again, I am surprised that happened.

[Cat Megex]

I'd argue that "Data Overmind" perfectly describes the aliens, as well.

Eh, whatever. Hell, if "Data Overmind" had been used from the beginning, I'd probably prefer that over "Integrated Data Sentient Entity", so it's mainly just bias.

Also, that royal flush thing. Again, I am surprised that happened.

...Huh?

EDIT: Nvm. But that made me think of those four 4koma I linked over in the Image thread....

[Kaisos Erranon]

Also, that royal flush thing. Again, I am surprised that happened.

It can happen. Just the odds are very, very low.

Eh, whatever. Hell, if "Data Overmind" had been used from the beginning, I'd probably prefer that over "Integrated Data Sentient Entity", so it's mainly just bias.

Yay bias.

[dragon4dudes]

It can happen. Just the odds are very, very low.

Yeah, I know it can happen. It's just that it actually did happen, even in a novel, that surprised me... Well, whatever, Haruhi is in control of the world. Unless its Kyon that is the "true" god... nvm

[otai]

...Well, compound words are always useful. "Second-year", perhaps?

If you don't have to be specific, "upperclassman" would work.

Yeah, I know it can happen. It's just that it actually did happen, even in a novel, that surprised me... Well, whatever, Haruhi is in control of the world. Unless its Kyon that is the "true" god... nvm

Never take Itsuki gambling. It seems he even loses at snake and ladders. You can't deliberately lose at that.

[dragon4dudes]

If you don't have to be specific, "upperclassman" would work.

True... It does have the problem of not being able to be used all the time. Also, I get the feeling it is already being used.

Never take Itsuki gambling. It seems he even loses at snake and ladders. You can't deliberately lose at that.

Never planned on it, especially after he pretty much lost against Kyon at chess, a game that Kyon said he didn't know the rules to.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Never planned on it, especially after he pretty much lost against Kyon at chess, a game that Kyon said he didn't know the rules to.

Koizumi is so full of himself a lot of the time that he deserves to lose at something, often.

Speaking of which, I always loved this passage from the novel.

"We're counting on you for the winter field trip, Koizumi-kun. Next time come up with a more shocking script! We're going to the mountain villa next time, and it has to be in a blizzard. If you don't come up with a haunted mansion that suits my expectations, I'll really be mad. Hmm, I'm so looking forward to it!"

"Erm......what should I do?"

Like a rookie Nazi officer being told by the Führer to lead just a single Panzer division to capture the Allied commander on the western front at the end of the Second World War, Koizumi smiled awkwardly and turned to beg me for help.

I looked at Koizumi, who was like a defender trying to stop what seemed like a great goal near the end of a soccer match when the scores are even after overtime, and said without hesitation,

"Well, I'm also looking forward to it, Koizumi."

[Jintor]

I'll edit your upwriteness later boss, but I support 'Data Overmind'

[Kaisos Erranon]

More stuff that Jintor wrote previously.

It includes the foreshadowing I always wanted to include.

[Scene: Brigade HQ, Afternoon]

Despite my excellent first hand, and the fact that Koizumi sucks at games, winning still wasn't that easy.

This is because I spent about half the game distracted, because a frightening possibility had come to mind after my talk with Koizumi earlier.

What if, instead of just looping around to the middle of August again, every single one of those fifteen thousand-odd universes kept going after all?

How would we, or anyone, be able to tell?

Fort that matter, it's perfectly possible that we might be in another loop right now, and no one would be able to tell. Even if I asked Nagato, as before, she might not tell me.

Fifteen thousand versions of me, all existing at the same time, yet unable to reach one another.

But it doesn't stop here, does it?

I remember some mind-bending quantum physics theory that states that every single choice we make leads into a different universe. By this logic, there are an infinite number of “me”, all existing at the same time.

There could be a universe where Koizumi is actually good at card games. There could be a universe where Haruhi never attended North High, and I never joined the SOS Brigade. There could be a universe where I'm a--

Itsuki: Ah, well, look at that. Looks like you win again.

Koizumi's voice snaps me out of my reverie. Like I said, I only ever win when it's not important.

Kyon: I'm done. It's no fun winning if there's no cash on the table, and it's no fun losing when there is cash on the table.

Itsuki: Have you ever considered winning while there's cash on the table?

Kyon: ...In your terms, I guess I would say "that is a fundamentally impossible turn of events that would never happen, ever, in a million years".

Except in the universe where it did happen.

Itsuki: Ah, that does sound exactly like me.

Even when he agrees with me he mocks me!

Koizumi packs up the cards quickly, making the pack seem to vanish with a flick of his wrists. A good party trick, if you can do it.


Itsuki: Well, I'm off. Going to go do something, then, before we lose summer entirely?

Kyon: ...

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)"Might head into town..."
2)"I should check up on Nagato..."
3)"...I might just head home..."
4)"I still have some stuff to talk to you about..."
5)"Maybe Asahina-san's still around...?"

I'll do Haruhi's scene first.

[Jintor]

There was something I was wondering about. As this is a visual novel, seperating lines into seperate 'screens' is important. But I absolutely hate breaking up the flow of a paragraph with unneccessary breaks, since I feel that formatting is part of the presentation of a novel and effects precisely how a reading is received.

By the way, I think you need to seperate out dialogue from monologue, just via the double-spacing if possible; I'm thinking of it kind of like the script to a play.

We're probably going to need to work out a way to format this so that we can start to include graphical effects within our scripting...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

There could be a universe where Haruhi never attended North High, and I never joined the SOS Brigade.

And now I'm sad... thanks for that :(

[Kaisos Erranon]

There was something I was wondering about. As this is a visual novel, seperating lines into seperate 'screens' is important. But I absolutely hate breaking up the flow of a paragraph with unneccessary breaks, since I feel that formatting is part of the presentation of a novel and effects precisely how a reading is received.

By the way, I think you need to seperate out dialogue from monologue, just via the double-spacing if possible; I'm thinking of it kind of like the script to a play.

We're probably going to need to work out a way to format this so that we can start to include graphical effects within our scripting...

We can work on all this LATER.

And now I'm sad... thanks for that :(

Disappearance was win.

[Jintor]

Bridge cross later? Okay, whatever. Do the scripting thing though.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Yet another new part. This is the Haruhi scene you get if you choose to go out into town on Day Zero.

I will say this was fun to write.

This Isn't a Date!


Kyon: Maybe I'll walk around for a while. I feel like crap anyway.

Itsuki: A good idea. Farewell for now, then.


He and I go our separate ways as we leave the clubroom behind us. Where does he live, anyway?

I guess I'll head down to the mall by Kitaguchi Station. Not much else to do.

[Scene: Outside Kitaguchi Station]

Kitaguchi Station is an important railway hub, and, as a result, it's usually filled with passerby. On weekends, the square in front of the station is filled with window-shopping young couples.

For some reason, perhaps because of the heat, it's rather slow today.

Which is why I was able to see someone I knew in the window of a small cafe. Someone with a yellow hairband.

...

Guess I should go make sure she doesn't cause trouble for anyone.

[Scene: Inside Cafe]

Huh. She didn't notice me coming in. This would be a good opportunity to surprise her.


Kyon: Yo, Haruhi.

Haruhi: Waaaaaagh!


She practically hit the ceiling. Excellent.


Haruhi: Wha-what the hell! You scared me! The hell do you think you're doing!? More importantly, who gave you permission to follow me!? Stalker!


I didn't follow you at all. In fact, our meeting here was entirely a coincidence. Furthermore, isn't there a place closer to the school you could have gone to?


Haruhi: This is the only place in town that serves this.

She points at her half-finished meal, a plate of some kind of spaghetti.


Kyon: Is that really good enough to justify coming all the way down to the station?

Haruhi: Yup! Sit down and order some, you'll see what I mean.


...I don't think so. Unlike you, my mom always packs my lunches, and I ate less than an hour ago. Besides, paying late fees continually has proven to be a large drain on the money levels in my wallet. I need to save up for next time.


Haruhi: Geez, whatever. Don't order anything. A-at least try some of mine.

Kyon: But... I'm not even hungry, like I said.

Haruhi: Whatever, whatever! Just eat some spaghetti!


She looks flustered again. This looks like trouble.


Kyon: ...

[DECISION POINT HERE]
1)“...Ever considered a therapist, Haruhi-san?”
2)“Alright, alright, I'll have something to eat.”


Divine Wrath


Kyon: Ever considered seeing a therapist, Haruhi-san?

Haruhi: What's that supposed to mean? And what's with the sudden formality?!


I don't want to deal with this today. My brain is tired.


Kyon: Well, then, see you tomorrow.

Haruhi: Wh-?! Wait a minute, I'm not done talking to you yet!


I ignore her and head towards the door.


Haruhi: Kyon! Are you listening!? Next time you're late it'll be a double penalty! You hear!? Red card! Red card!


I must endure.

I guess I'll head home. Nothing else to do.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


Divine Blessing


Kyon: Alright, fine, I'll have a bit.

Kyon: ...

Haruhi: So? So? How is it?

Kyon: Actually, it's really good.

Haruhi: See?


How did she even find out about this place and its pasta? I'm surprised Haruhi actually even cares about cooking like this.

In any case, this is fantastic spaghetti. What did they put in this to make it so good?

Also, why is the fork now scraping the dish?


Haruhi: Uh... ugh...


She's making a strange face. This is probably because I just wolfed down her lunch.


Haruhi:... Kyon... my lunch...


I was right. ...I'm in trouble.


Haruhi: You're in so much trouble!


She's probably going to assign a penalty and make me pay for it.


Haruhi: Penalty! You're paying for my lunch!


As I thought. No wonder our classmates consider me the expert on all things Haruhi.


Haruhi: For the next three days!

Kyon: Wh--? That's not fair at all!

Haruhi: Sure it is! You just devoured my nourishment! I thought you said you weren't hungry!


I'm so ashamed. It was just... so good...

This isn't my fault at all!


And so...

Haruhi made me pay for her spaghetti (It cost this much!? How does she afford things like this?) and then dragged me around the square window shopping for about an hour. By the time we separated, she had this huge grin on her face.

At least someone had a good time...

Though I guess it was better than killing time at home.

I suppose I should head back there now. Nothing else to do.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

[DJ_RockmanX]

What the hell is *KSSSSSSHHH* exactly?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I think it's supposed to be static.

Anyway... why is Haruhi's hairband mentioned? I thought that was a detail left solely to visuals.

[Jintor]

Because it's a visual novel, I doubt that the scene will be *of* Kyon walking from the station and show Haruhi in the window - it's more likely that that's a transition sentence, so as to let the reader know early what precisely is going on. Background at that point seems likely to be 'random outside area'.

I love working on fluff pieces.

[Kaisos Erranon]

What the hell is *KSSSSSSHHH* exactly?

Transition to Universe A.

I think it's supposed to be static.

Anyway... why is Haruhi's hairband mentioned? I thought that was a detail left solely to visuals.

In the novels, yes. We're not a novel.

We're a VISUAL novel.

Because it's a visual novel, I doubt that the scene will be *of* Kyon walking from the station and show Haruhi in the window - it's more likely that that's a transition sentence, so as to let the reader know early what precisely is going on. Background at that point seems likely to be 'random outside area'.

Yes. Exactly. Although the background is "Kitaguchi Station", but...

[Jintor]

EDITJOB GET!

[Scene: Brigade HQ, Afternoon]

Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no intervention from my brain to traverse the path I've followed every day for nearly half a year.

The old school building, referred to by most students as the “Old Shack”, is the housing for all clubs that do not have their own, specialized clubroom (for example, the Computer Research Society, the purpose of which should be fairly self-explanatory).

And in the Old Shack, currently occuping the defunct Literature Clubroom, is the Save the world by Overloading it with fun: Haruhi Suzumiya's Brigade, or “The SOS Brigade”, for short.

I apologize for the name making little sense in context. This, too, is not my fault.

The Brigade is composed of five members:

Haruhi Suzumiya, who has already been introduced, and, in any case, needs no introduction.

Yuki Nagato, a quiet girl and a former member of the Literature Club, recruited when Haruhi took over the clubroom. She's also an alien of some sort, don't ask.

Mikuru Asahina, a cute girl one year our senior. She was dragged into the Brigade against her will, and forced to cosplay as such things as a maid or a nurse, for some reason. She also happens to be a time traveler from the future.

Itsuki Koizumi, a transfer student with a perpetual, smarmy grin. He was recruited because Haruhi seems to believe that all transfer students are automatically mysterious. He also has various paranormal abilities, which therefore makes him an esper, I suppose.

And then there's me. I thought I said there wasn't anything special about me already.

Anyway. I'm in the clubroom now, and school's out.

Since the school's cafeteria isn't open yet, Her Highness Haruhi has wandered off to the restaurant outside school grounds to satisfy her hunger, which I am sure is all-encompassing. Everybody's shot off in their different directions, with their different things to do, except Koizumi here, who's sitting across from me with his usual grin.


Itsuki: Well, she is a genius. No doubt she was a child prodigy, so a holiday assignment like this wouldn't have been anything like a burden to her. Such a remarkable personality wouldn't even have bothered thinking of having to share the work with her friends - I mean, from her point of view, she wouldn't even have considered the fact that others might not be able to do the assignment with ease.


I shook my head, sighing. Even theoretically, Haruhi was fundamentally selfish. No, not the right word - she didn't take into consideration the feelings of others. A subtle difference.

Unfolding the collapsible chair, I sat by the windowpane. Today was orientation day, after all, so I had originally planned to head straight home, but I though I'd take a quick detour to see if Nagato was in the clubroom.

Koizumi had joined me on the way here, but Nagato was decidedly absent. These last 594 years must have been tiring ones, even for an alien-human interface like Nagato.

Outside, the forlorn cries of the higurashi echo through the sky. Summer had finally ended; I was sure of that. And yet-


Kyon: It's like a dream! We've repeated these last two weeks of August fifteen-thousand something-odd times...

Itsuki: ...I wouldn't call what we've experienced something as trivial as a 'dream'.


He smiles at me, genuinely friendly, yet somehow odd, and starts to shuffle a deck of cards that he produces out of nowhere. Like a magician, or more accurately, some kind of con-artist.


Itsuki: But what else are we to call it? There should be no common memory between the 'us' that have existed within those last fifteen-thousand, four-hundred and ninety-seven fortnights. They don't exist on the same timeline. Only the 'us' that have broken the cycle and advanced to September the 1st should remember anything, and even then...


Koizumi pauses momentarily, the ace of spades between his slender fingers.


Itsuki: Logically speaking, they - sorry, we - should only remember the memories that we experienced directly.

Kyon: Logic goes completely out the window with Haruhi around.


After all, I was definitely getting severe deja vu by that last iteration of the holidays. Perhaps it was the last, desperate gifts of the thousands of 'Me' that came before, trapped in an endless summer with no visible escape; the thoughts of a thousand versions of myself, longing for an end to an endless summer.

Well, I guess it's thanks to the efforts of the thousands trapped that this 'me' - that is to say, me - can get back on track with the rest of his life. I mean, my life.

(Sometimes, I think the worst part of time travel is keeping track of all the pronouns.)

And if I didn't think that way, well, then all those summer holidays would have been absolutely wasted. Not to mention all those 'me's' who were trapped in that seemingly endless loop...

When I asked Nagato about variations, I didn't let her finish. I wonder how strange some of those 'Me's' got. Especially the ones who knew, in the end, that everything they did was for nothing, and the entire world would just reset back to the way it was.

I sure hope none of them went insane.


Itsuki: Would you like to play poker?


The deck between his hands blurs slightly as Koizumi begins to deal cards, like some kind of amateur magician. It can't hurt to keep him entertained. And it'll distract me from this slightly disturbing line of thinking.


Kyon: Alright, but only if there's no money involved. My wallet always ends up moth-infested after we play for cash.

Itsuki: If that is your wish, so it shall be. We'll play for chips.


I only ever win big when winning doesn't matter. I sigh and pick up my cards.

...A royal flush? That's a first.

I swore in the back of my mind that if I were ever to repeat this day, I'd be betting cash for sure.

I changed the first bit for two reasons: One, nobody, not even Kyon, would use 'cognitive function' in a sentence like that for any reasons except to be a smartarse, and two, 'a path I've followed' seemed like a good idea to my mind.

[Jintor]

EDITJOB 2 GET

[Scene: Brigade HQ, Afternoon]

Despite my excellent first hand, and the fact that Koizumi is really, really bad at games, winning still wasn't that easy.

This is because I spent about half the game distracted, thanks to a frightening possibility that had come to mind after my talk with Koizumi earlier.

What if, instead of just looping around to the middle of August again, every single one of those fifteen thousand-odd universes just... just kept going?

How would we, or anyone, be able to tell?

For that matter, it's perfectly possible that we might be in another loop right now, and no one would be able to tell. Even if I asked Nagato, as before, she might not tell me, or be able to tell either.

Fifteen thousand versions of me, all existing at the same time, yet unable to reach one another. To talk, or to connect the dots.

But it doesn't stop here, does it?

I remember some mind-bending quantum physics theory that states that every single choice we make leads into a different universe. By this logic, there are an infinite number of “me”, all existing at the same time.

There could be a universe where Koizumi is actually good at card games. There could be a universe where Haruhi never attended North High, and I never joined the SOS Brigade. There could be a universe where I'm a--


Itsuki: Ah, well, look at that. Looks like you win again.


Koizumi's voice snaps me out of my reverie. Like I said, I only ever win when it's not important, or when it interrupts something that is.


Kyon: I'm done. It's no fun winning if there's no cash on the table, and it's no fun losing when there is cash on the table.

Itsuki: Have you ever considered winning while there's cash on the table?

Kyon: ...In your terms, I guess I would say "that is a fundamentally impossible turn of events that would never happen, ever, in a million years".


Except in the universe where it did happen.


Itsuki: Ah, that does sound exactly like me.


Even when he agrees with me he mocks me!

Koizumi packs up the cards quickly, making the pack seem to vanish with a flick of his wrists. A good party trick, if you can do it.


Itsuki: Well, I'm off. Going to go do something, then, before we lose summer entirely?

Kyon: ...

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)"Might head into town..."
2)"I should check up on Nagato..."
3)"...I might just head home..."
4)"I still have some stuff to talk to you about..."
5)"Maybe Asahina-san's still around...?"

Easy enough.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

In the novels, yes. We're not a novel.

We're a VISUAL novel.

Technically speaking, it's not mentioned in anything else, either... but I'll drop it, due to the transition thing and all.

One, nobody, not even Kyon, would use 'cognitive function' in a sentence like that for any reasons except to be a smartarse

Which is why it works.

*e* Also, your second editjob might be in need of an editjob in itself.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Jintor, you're kinda tired, huh?


Which is why it works.

Exactly.

[Jintor]

Overruled.

Seriously though, it doesn't work there.


"Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no intervention from my brain to traverse the path I've followed every day for nearly half a year."


"Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no cognitive function to traverse the path I've followed every day for nearly half a year."


Among other things, it would be 'cognitive functionality' there, not cognitive function... and I think Ituski's the better smartarse to use those kinds of words.

[Cat Megex]

Overruled.

Seriously though, it doesn't work there.


"Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no intervention from my brain to traverse the path I've followed every day for nearly half a year."


"Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no cognitive function to traverse the path I've followed every day for nearly half a year."


Among other things, it would be 'cognitive functionality' there, not cognitive function... and I think Ituski's the better smartarse to use those kinds of words.

How about "requiring no extraneous impulses from my central nervous system"?

...Dammit, I need to go to bed.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Overruled.

Seriously though, it doesn't work there.


"Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no intervention from my brain to traverse the path I've followed every day for nearly half a year."


"Every day after school, I somehow find myself walking towards the old school building. My legs turn corners and traverse staircases as though they have a mind of their own, requiring no cognitive function to traverse the path I've followed every day for nearly half a year."


Among other things, it would be 'cognitive functionality' there, not cognitive function... and I think Ituski's the better smartarse to use those kinds of words.

Keep tellin' yourself that, bro.

Sure, that's fine.

[Jintor]

SUPER EDITJOB GET

This Isn't a Date!


Kyon: Maybe I'll walk around for a while. I feel like crap anyway.

Itsuki: A good idea. Farewell for now, then.


He and I go our separate ways as we leave the clubroom behind us. Where does he live, anyway?

I guess I'll head down to the mall by Kitaguchi Station. Not much else to do.

---

[Scene: Outside Kitaguchi Station]

Kitaguchi Station is an important railway hub, and, as a result, it's usually filled with passerby. On weekends, the square in front of the station is absolutely filled with window-shopping young couples.

For some reason, perhaps because of the heat, it's rather slow today. Not too many people around...

Which is why I was able to see someone I knew in the window of a small restaurant. Someone with a yellow hairband.

...

Guess I should go make sure she's not causing trouble for anybody...


[Scene: Inside Restaurant]

Huh. She didn't notice me coming in. This would be a good opportunity to surprise her.


Kyon: Yo, Haruhi.

Haruhi: Waaaaaagh!


She practically hit the ceiling. Excellent.


Haruhi: Wha-what the hell! You scared me! The hell do you think you're doing!? More importantly, who gave you permission to follow me!? S-Stalker!


I didn't follow you at all. In fact, meeting you here was a complete coincidence. Furthermore, isn't there a restaurant closer to the school you could have gone to?


Haruhi: This is the only place in town that serves this.


She points at her half-finished meal, a plate of some kind of spaghetti.


Kyon: Is that really good enough to justify coming all the way down to the station?

Haruhi: Yup! Sit down and order some, you'll see what I mean.


...I don't think so. Unlike you, my mom always packs my lunches, and I ate less than an hour ago. Besides, paying late fees continually has proven to be a large drain on the amount of money in my wallet, larger even than playing Poker for real against Koizumi. I still need to save up for next time!


Haruhi: Geez, whatever. Don't order anything. A-at least try some of mine.

Kyon: But... I'm not even hungry, like I said.

Haruhi: Whatever, whatever! Just eat some spaghetti!


She looks flustered again. This looks like trouble.


Kyon: ...

[DECISION POINT HERE]
1)“...Ever considered a therapist, Haruhi-san?”
2)“...Alright, alright, I'll have something to eat...”

---

Divine Wrath


Kyon: ...Ever considered seeing a therapist, Haruhi-san?

Haruhi: What- What's that supposed to mean, huh? And what's with the sudden formality?!


I don't want to deal with this today. I'm tired, and my head is still swimming from all that existentialism. I stretch my arms and stand up.


Kyon: ...Well, then, see you tomorrow, then.

Haruhi: Wh-?! Wait a minute, I'm not done talking to you yet!


I ignore her and head towards the door.


Haruhi: Kyon! Are you listening!? Next time you're late it'll be a double penalty! You hear!? Red card! Red card!


...

I must endure.

I guess I'll head home, then. Nothing else to do, and if I hang around here Haruhi's going to do her best to shout my head off.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


---


Divine Blessing


Kyon: Alright, alright, fine. I'll have a bit.


I take the fork from her outstretched hand and take a bite.


Kyon: ...

Haruhi: So? So? How is it?

Kyon: Actually, it's... really quite good!

Haruhi: See?!


How did she even find out about this place and its pasta? I'm surprised Haruhi actually even cares about cooking like this.

In any case, this is fantastic spaghetti. What did they put in this to make it so good?

And why is the fork now scraping the dish?


Haruhi: Uh... ugh...


She's making a strange face. This is probably because I just wolfed down her entire lunch.


Haruhi: ...Kyon... my lunch...


I was right. I'm in deep, deep trouble.


Haruhi: You're in so. Much. TROUBLE!


She's probably going to assign me another penalty and make me pay for it. Ah, my perpetually-empty wallet...


Haruhi: P-Penalty! You're paying for my lunch-


As I thought. No wonder our classmates consider me the expert on all things Haruhi.


Haruhi: -for the next three days!

Kyon: Wh--? That's not fair at all!

Haruhi: Sure it is! You just devoured all of my nourishment! I thought you said you weren't hungry!


I'm so ashamed. It was just... so damn tasty...

This isn't my fault at all!


And so...

Haruhi made me pay for her spaghetti (It cost that much!? How can she afford things like this?) and then dragged me around the square window shopping for about an hour. By the time we separated, she had this huge grin on her face.

At least someone had a good time...

Though I guess it was better than just killing time at home.

I suppose I should head back there now. It's getting late...

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Hah. This was fun. I liked the 'window-shopping young couples' bit. Also, I was trying to work out a way to sneak 'And in enduring, grow strong' in there, but it felt too out of character for Kyon.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Don't forget that he always refers to Itsuki as "Koizumi", eh?


Hah. This was fun. I liked the 'window-shopping young couples' bit.

I can't claim credit for that, that's Kyon's description of the station from Vol. 1.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Methinks that Haruhi forcing Kyon to pay for her lunch is a subtle way of getting him to go on a few dates with her. Or I could be reading into things too much.

*e* I mean actually stating that he has to in advance. He generally does it anyway, due to the "whoever arrives last pays" rule the Brigade has.

[Jintor]

Oh yes, apologies. But you managed to make Kyon and Haruhi one of those window-shopping couples, which is what I liked the most.

/EDIT And if you take this part, don't forget to maybe have quick references to Kyon having to pay for Haruhi's lunch for the next few days. (DebtSlave = True, perhaps?)

[ryanasaurus0077]

I'm currently working on a script for a web series based on Seitenkan, and judging from what I've seen on this thread, my script and Kaisos's version are going to diverge at the sixth chapter of the first light novel. Oh, and in the web series, I'd like to be Haruki, and in my script he wears 3-D glasses. Other than the spots where I posted my ideas, though, both versions are essentially going to be the same story. How's that sound, the idea of a web series based on Seitenkan?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

in my script he wears 3-D glasses.

. . . Why would he wear 3D glasses?

[ryanasaurus0077]

. . . Why would he wear 3D glasses?

Probably as a counterpart to Haruhi's ribbon/headband/whatever-the-hell-you-like-to-call-it.

[Roger Rambo]

*snip*
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8525/1243436380229.jpg

[ryanasaurus0077]

*snip*

Now that image was totally uncalled for. You want your version of Haruki to wear a monocle? I laugh at your Victorian tastes!

Oh, and the reason why I want Haruki to wear 3-D glasses is because I want a counterpart to Haruhi's ribbon. Can't you accept that reason without *snipping* my thread in a quote? Or do I have to keep the script to myself in order to avoid a *snip*?

[Roger Rambo]

It seems a rather incoherent thing to do, considering the headband Haruki ussually wears is an analogue for the Ribbon Haruhi had.

Frankly man, it's a bad idea.

[ryanasaurus0077]

It seems a rather incoherent thing to do, considering the headband Haruki ussually wears is an analogue for the Ribbon Haruhi had.

Frankly man, it's a bad idea.

How about Haruki wear the 3-D glasses just over his forehead most of the time? The only times he'll wear the glasses over his eyes is when:

A) He's in a melancholy state (like in most of the first chapter), and

B) He means serious business (like when Kyonko shows up late to an inspection of Nishinomiya for aliens, time travelers, and ESPers in the fourth chapter).

Oh, and my inspiration was the character page for Haruki on harupedia.org, where it's stated that he could wear goggles. I took it one step further and gave Haruki the 3-D glasses he'll be wearing in the web series I'm planning.

[Roger Rambo]

You're free to do whatever you like when. That doesn't mean anyone will be particularly interested though.

Allot of people like the Haruhi Gender bending because of the character design. Giving Haruki 3d glasses (random?) is a pretty significant department from that design, so allot of people aren't going to like it.

[ryanasaurus0077]

You're free to do whatever you like when. That doesn't mean anyone will be particularly interested though.

Allot of people like the Haruhi Gender bending because of the character design. Giving Haruki 3d glasses (random?) is a pretty significant department from that design, so allot of people aren't going to like it.

I've already taken a picture of myself in costume as Haruki, complete with the 3-D glasses (said promotional photo is based on the fourth chapter of the first light novel). Now if only I could upload it to my computer so I can post it on this thread...

[Ithekro]

I'd point out that 3D glasses make it hard to see (the traditional red and blue kind), and would be a rather silly thing to wear everyday with no practical use.

[ryanasaurus0077]

I'd point out that 3D glasses make it hard to see (the traditional red and blue kind), and would be a rather silly thing to wear everyday with no practical use.

The glasses I'd have Haruki use would be of the Real D brand--circular polarization, people!--because I want to be able to see clearly when I make my web series.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Speaking of Haruki's headgear, we're actually going to have to decide exactly what he's going to wear in the VN now.

My personal preference would be for the yellow headphones over the Kenji Harima headband... makes him look a little more manly and I've always written him as rather rap/music obsessed anyway.

Besides, the events of Day 6 make him lose the headgear, in any case.

Methinks that Haruhi forcing Kyon to pay for her lunch is a subtle way of getting him to go on a few dates with her. Or I could be reading into things too much.

Yes, it is her way of getting to spend more time with him. He NEVER goes to the cafeteria.

Oh yes, apologies. But you managed to make Kyon and Haruhi one of those window-shopping couples, which is what I liked the most.

I don't remember if that was intentional or not. But I'll take credit for it anyway.

/EDIT And if you take this part, don't forget to maybe have quick references to Kyon having to pay for Haruhi's lunch for the next few days. (DebtSlave = True, perhaps?)

Sure. Why not?

Danchou, can you add that to my Day 0 outline?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Danchou, can you add that to my Day 0 outline?

AHH FLOWCHART EDITING

Yeah I'll do it. Just send me the specifics.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Speaking of Haruki's headgear, we're actually going to have to decide exactly what he's going to wear in the VN now.

My personal preference would be for the yellow headphones over the Kenji Harima headband... makes him look a little more manly and I've always written him as rather rap/music obsessed anyway.

So there's another discrepancy (is that how you spell it?) between your version and my script: your version has Haruki wearing headphones, while my script has him wearing 3-D glasses (as a user said, anaglyphic is out of the question, so I'll have him wear Real D glasses, which use circular polarization).

[Roger Rambo]

Speaking of Haruki's headgear, we're actually going to have to decide exactly what he's going to wear in the VN now.

My personal preference would be for the yellow headphones over the Kenji Harima headband... makes him look a little more manly and I've always written him as rather rap/music obsessed anyway.

Besides, the events of Day 6 make him lose the headgear, in any case.
I've always preferred the head band...though some depictions make that seems a bit weird.

Maybe if it was a different color...

[WordShaker]

My personal preference would be for the yellow headphones over the Kenji Harima headband... makes him look a little more manly and I've always written him as rather rap/music obsessed anyway.

Never was a huge fan of the headphones, but it makes sense VN wise.

[Kaisos Erranon]

AHH FLOWCHART EDITING

Yeah I'll do it. Just send me the specifics.

After the "Divine Blessing" scene on Day Zero just make DebtSlave = True, and do the same in my outline...

I'll think of the rest later.

I've always preferred the head band...though some depictions make that seems a bit weird.

Maybe if it was a different color...

It would still look unmanly. Harima only wore it because he wanted to change his "image".

Of course, the problem comes in where Haruki looks a lot like Kyon without something on his head... but then again, we can use that.

I'd also like to mention that he doesn't have to wear the phones on his head at all times. He can just wear them around his neck.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Of course, the problem comes in where Haruki looks a lot like Kyon without something on his head... but then again, we can use that.

I'd also like to mention that he doesn't have to wear the phones on his head at all times. He can just wear them around his neck.

So, Kaisos Erranon... what did you think about my idea of Haruki wearing 3-D glasses (Real D, not traditional or ColorCode anaglyphic)?

[Binjovi]

Headphones?! On my Haruki?! :p

I much prefer him with the headband if it's all the same. I am the one drawing this after all, so my vote carries a bit more weight... right? :heh:

[ryanasaurus0077]

Headphones?! On my Haruki?! :p

I much prefer him with the headband if it's all the same. I am the one drawing this after all, so my vote carries a bit more weight... right? :heh:

Just to let you know, I'm throwing 3-D glasses into the ring to fight the headband. It all comes down to this: headband or 3-D glasses. You make the call.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Headphones?! On my Haruki?! :p

I much prefer him with the headband if it's all the same. I am the one drawing this after all, so my vote carries a bit more weight... right? :heh:

Sigh.

I really don't like the headband.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Sigh.

I really don't like the headband.

So you'd be willing to go with my 3-D glasses idea?

[Roger Rambo]

It would still look unmanly. Harima only wore it because he wanted to change his "image".

Of course, the problem comes in where Haruki looks a lot like Kyon without something on his head... but then again, we can use that.
Yeah. So we generally have to give him something.

Though some artists can make the Headband thing not come out off to obnoxious. (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post?tags=hachimitsu&commit=Search)

...though I can see how some could argue he'd look better without it.

I'd also like to mention that he doesn't have to wear the phones on his head at all times. He can just wear them around his neck.
I can see that working, but I still prefer head bands for coming off as more low key.

...I suppose you could make him alternate between them.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Alternating is... no, I really don't think that's a good idea.

Again, I've always written him as very music-oriented, so the headphones do work with his character, but...

The headband isn't bad either, but it's not my preference.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Honestly, I've always been partial to the goggles... even though I'm not really helping the discussion any.

Between headband and headphones... I'd have to go with the latter.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Alternating is... no, I really don't think that's a good idea.

Again, I've always written him as very music-oriented, so the headphones do work with his character, but...

The headband isn't bad either, but it's not my preference.

How come you haven't brought up my 3-D glasses idea yet? Just wondering, that's all.

Honestly, I've always been partial to the goggles... even though I'm not really helping the discussion any.

Well, be my guest and join in this discussion! You're always welcome to state your opinion, you know.

[Roger Rambo]

Honestly, I've always been partial to the goggles... even though I'm not really helping the discussion any.

Goggles might actually be sorta cool...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

They do nothing, though :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Goggles would make him look too much like the main characters of Digimon, particularly Davis/Daisuke, who I hate with a firey passion.

THANK YOU FOR RUINING DIGIMON, ASSHOLE

...

*cough*

[Roger Rambo]

Goggles would make him look too much like the main characters of Digimon, particularly Davis/Daisuke, who I hate with a firey passion.

THANK YOU FOR RUINING DIGIMON, ASSHOLE

...

*cough*Having barely watched Season 1 of Digimon (much less the latter ones) I can't really comment on that.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Having barely watched Season 1 of Digimon (much less the latter ones) I can't really comment on that.

Me neither; it's been a while since I last saw any episode.

[Nanao-kun]

Me neither; it's been a while since I last saw any episode.

How many years has it been since I last recalled that Digimon existed?

[Joe4evr]

Me neither; it's been a while since I last saw any episode.Same here, though I can remember there was a time when I could name most stages of digivolves (if that's how one calls it) off the top of my head.

We never got more than the first 2 seasons here, though. Not sure if that's good or bad.:heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Same here, though I can remember there was a time when I could name most stages of digivolves (if that's how one calls it) off the top of my head.

It's "Digivolution".

And I don't remember the stages before Rookie, but it goes Rookie, Champion, Ultimate, and Mega.

I think. It's been a while. (Like, 7-8 years now? More?)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

We never got more than the first 2 seasons here, though. Not sure if that's good or bad.:heh:

Tamers really seems to depend on the person. Didn't miss much with Frontier(unless you like the idea of Sliding Sentai DigiRangers). Savers... was actually pretty good, from the few eps I watched.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Tamers really seems to depend on the person. Didn't miss much with Frontier(unless you like the idea of Sliding Sentai DigiRangers). Savers... was actually pretty good, from the few eps I watched.

Okay, since I only really got to watch the dubs...

Which one was which again? -_-

[Joe4evr]

And I don't remember the stages before Rookie, but it goes Rookie, Champion, Ultimate, and Mega.Actually, I meant as in the names of the mons, including those fusions.

I can barely remember anything of it now, though.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Okay, since I only really got to watch the dubs...

Which one was which again? -_-

Tamers had TAKATOMON!! Frontier had Crispin Freeman as the emo twin brother of the Matt expy. Savers had Crispin Freeman as the blonde guy with the blue dog voiced by Might Guy from the Naruto dub.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Actually, I meant as in the names of the mons, including those fusions.

I can barely remember anything of it now, though.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I don't remember those either.

lol childhood

Tamers had the guy from the wonderswan games. Frontier had Crispin Freeman as the emo twin brother of the Matt expy. Savers had Crispin Freeman as the blonde guy with the blue dog voiced by Might Guy from the Naruto dub.

What I meant was which season is which. Like Season 3, Season 4, etc.

That was how they were advertised on YTV and stuff, so that's all I remember.

I stopped watching halfway through season 3, which was the one with all the bosses based off of the chinese zodiac and Guilmon.

[Ekul]

I liked Tamers because it had a psychotic bunny with machine guns for arms as one of the heroes.

On topic, I would say that Haruki should have yellow Kamina shades.

...I kid I kid. I like the sunglasses idea, but maybe a bandanna would work in some form or other.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I liked Tamers because it had a psychotic bunny with machine guns for arms as one of the heroes.

On topic, I would say that Haruki should have yellow Kamina shades.

...I kid I kid. I like the sunglasses idea, but maybe a bandanna would work in some form or other.

Headband or headphones. Pick one.

[Roger Rambo]

Headband or headphones. Pick one.
Headbands.

Because that one doujin where Kyonko said she had a forehead fetish was hilarious.

[Ekul]

Headband, I suppose. I just prefer to introduce multiple third options. I'm evil that way.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Headbands.

Because that one doujin where Kyonko said she had a forehead fetish was hilarious.

We're not doing the forehead thing though. I thought we agreed on that, at least.

[Roger Rambo]

We're not doing the forehead thing though. I thought we agreed on that, at least.
I know. I just like playing that scenario around in fanon canon.

[Jintor]

Headphones.

Music ftw

[Cat Megex]

Headphones... THAT CAN BE USED AS A HEADBAND.

Best of both worlds. :3

[otai]

You know, if Haruki was wearing headphones, Kyonko would have had a conversation with him about music at some point. We should insert that scene, along with the reason why they never talk about music.

Kyonko: What are you listening to?

Haruki (offers the headphones): Here.

Version 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVCfWdj1dc)

Version 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg0juPnBHcI&feature=related)

Version 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

[Or anything that horrifies you]

Kyonko: OK. We are never going to talk about music ever again.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Haruki is more into J-rap and shit like Linkin Park.

But I can see him using death metal to scar Kyonko.

[WordShaker]

As a another suggestion to complicate things, why not have him carry around an MP3 player and use those earphones? Then we could have a headband as well, and everyone is happy. Maybe.

[Roger Rambo]

Haruki is more into J-rap and shit like Linkin Park.

But I can see him using death metal to scar Kyonko.
How about AKuma Stocking?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUajYu4ckZ0) (P.S. VIOLENT!)


...don't know which is scarier. The fact I'm giving suggestions to the form of Head gear that isn't my preference, or the fact that Haruki probably WOULD like ultra violent crap like Hellsing?

[dragon4dudes]

I like the headphone idea but the problem with it is that it could get pretty complicated pretty quickly. I would like to know if music devices are even allowed in Japanese schools in the first place. That might help decide, unless we explain that it is because Haruki is god that no one really cares about the headphones on his head. Also, yellow headphones?

[Kaisos Erranon]

As a another suggestion to complicate things, why not have him carry around an MP3 player and use those earphones? Then we could have a headband as well, and everyone is happy. Maybe.

This is probably what I'm going to go with, yeah.

And as the events of the VN wind up with him losing all of his clothing and personal possessions, he has to steal obtain a new mp3 player and headphones anyway.


...don't know which is scarier. The fact I'm giving suggestions to the form of Head gear that isn't my preference, or the fact that Haruki probably WOULD like ultra violent crap like Hellsing?

Just listening to it, sounds like the sort of thing Haruki would love.

...And is that the guy who does the SZS openings? Haha, awesome.

I like the headphone idea but the problem with it is that it could get pretty complicated pretty quickly. I would like to know if music devices are even allowed in Japanese schools in the first place. That might help decide, unless we explain that it is because Haruki is god that no one really cares about the headphones on his head. Also, yellow headphones?

The faculty is too scared of Haruki to mess with him unless he does something completely outrageous.

[otai]

As a another suggestion to complicate things, why not have him carry around an MP3 player and use those earphones? Then we could have a headband as well, and everyone is happy. Maybe.

Earphones... well, why would anyone want to listen to lousy earphones when they've got Hi-Fi headphones? And since it's near impossible to share headphones, it makes sense that Haruki would scare anyone from his music. Kind of like a king refusing to let the queen wear his crown.

Maybe when Haruki's in dere mode, and wants to cuddle up to Kyonko listening to some tunes, then he breaks out the earphones.

[Roger Rambo]

The faculty is too scared of Haruki to mess with him unless he does something completely outrageous.
Well he does get away with blatantly sleeping in class...

Maybe head phones could work...





Also, crazy thought...

Kyonko:Princess Leia
Haruki:Han Solo
Chewbacca:Yuuki
Luke:Mitsuuru
Lando:Tsuruya(M)
Darth Vader:Mori (M)
C3PO:Itsuko
R2D2:Otouto
Wicket:Shamisen

...that's all I can think of before having to revert to the characters from the original series...

Tarkin:Student council president (M)
Ozzel:Taniguchi (M)
The emperor:Arakawa (M)
Wedge:Kunikida(M)
Various computer club members:Rebel pilots

[Kaisos Erranon]

Haruki isn't smart or cool enough to play a Harrison Ford character.

He does have the requisite assholery, but...

[Jintor]

I suspect that Haruki listens to fully orchestral game music on his Mp3. Stuff by the Black Mages and the like.

[Ithekro]

That would require Kyon levels of sarcasm, but externalized.