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Thank as always Ynot(and everyone of course)
Thanks Ynot, and everyone else involved. Great work as always.
K. Shiruto
2011-12-19, 03:01
Time por a preview!
聖痕を得た右天は強大な力でセトの腸を裂く！
Seth awakens as one of the Stigmata 12
Avvesione
2011-12-19, 04:14
Thanks for the new chapter Ynot and js06. Glad you're almost caught up with all the old chapters now. Was fun to read some of the stuff that wasn't in the anime, too, and I'm guessing we'll get some more information as the new chapters are translated, too. Also liked the part about ventricular fibrillation (V-Fib). Surprised Eve knows of such a condition.
Also for the preview on Chapter 97, I saw that earlier and am a bit surprised to see that this upcoming chapter. Would've thought we'd see it a little later but I don't mind seeing that now. Wonder what else we'll see for this month's Needless.
^ I'm not sure it was Eve who said ventricular fibrillation. It'd be quite the character break for her to know such a word. The way the panel is set up made me think so at first too, but after some more thought it sounds to me like Gido or Disk is saying that.
As for the preview text, it doesn't say anything we didn't already know. It's more or less a recap of the last page of chapter 96. We'll just have to wait until other sites mention something or until we can get our hands on the new chapter.
Avvesione
2011-12-19, 07:28
^ I'm not sure it was Eve who said ventricular fibrillation. It'd be quite the character break for her to know such a word. The way the panel is set up made me think so at first too, but after some more thought it sounds to me like Gido or Disk is saying that.
As for the preview text, it doesn't say anything we didn't already know. It's more or less a recap of the last page of chapter 96. We'll just have to wait until other sites mention something or until we can get our hands on the new chapter.
It's either Eve or Disk who says that but I still think it is Eve who is saying that. While it would make sense for Disk to bring up medical jargon like that, it wouldn't surprise me if Eve knew that since she's a Doppelganger user and probably knows a lot about the human anatomy (like that bit about Cruz's lungs). And I checked the Japanese version and it looks the same size and boldness as Eve's line, so I think Eve might be smarter than we think.
As for the preview text, you're right. It is something we know but what's surprising to me is that it is this chapter rather than some other chapter down the line. I would've thought it would be saved for a few months and then brought back as a surprise or something after we kinda forget about it for a few months. Actually kinda happy we get to see it this month.
^It's not just that she knows such difficult words, but Eve also shouted "Just do it!" immediately afterwards. A shout like that would make a lot more sense if it was a reaction to someone else trying to dissuade her or bring up some negative aspect of her plan.
The text looked the same which is the main reason which had me doubting at first, but in this case I suspect it's just to indicate they're both shouting. That doesn't mean I don't think Eve might be smarter than she let's on to though, just that this isn't the place where she shows it.
I wasn't really afraid we wouldn't see a continuation of the last page of chapter 96. I could be wrong but I can't remember a cliffhanger such as the last one(immediate visible danger on the very last page) in Needless which wasn't solved or continued in the next chapter.
Here's a link to a japanese bbs where there seems to be some talk about the latest chapter.
http://logsoku.com/thread/kohada.2ch.net/comic/1310072880/
And the url of the site which usually provides us with the first insights/spoilers on the new chapter. There's already something written about the new chapter. It's...very interesting but perhaps something you wouldn't want to spoil for yourself).
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/jagabata/
K. Shiruto
2011-12-19, 12:58
I'm certain when I say that City will be the most memorable Needless arc to date. The only pic we have so far is already making me drool from the awesomeness.
In addition...
Mio betrays her friends, but whom? Yamada and co., or Setsuna & Kuchinashi.
Ok...Now I'm curiousfrankly I can not imagine that Mio betrays Yamada or Sestuna and Kuchinashi.I mean we are not more like at the beginning of the manga she has a strong bond with all three of them.
Avvesione
2011-12-19, 16:53
^It's not just that she knows such difficult words, but Eve also shouted "Just do it!" immediately afterwards. A shout like that would make a lot more sense if it was a reaction to someone else trying to dissuade her or bring up some negative aspect of her plan.
The text looked the same which is the main reason which had me doubting at first, but in this case I suspect it's just to indicate they're both shouting. That doesn't mean I don't think Eve might be smarter than she let's on to though, just that this isn't the place where she shows it.
I wasn't really afraid we wouldn't see a continuation of the last page of chapter 96. I could be wrong but I can't remember a cliffhanger such as the last one(immediate visible danger on the very last page) in Needless which wasn't solved or continued in the next chapter.
I suppose you're right about the "Just do it!"/shouting part but I don't think it's the wrong place for Eve to sound smart. She did just talk about an internal cardiac massage, so she has some medical knowledge. But whatever, it's not like it really matters all that much.
As for the cliffhanger, Needless doesn't usually leave us on the edge very often but I thought it might heighten the tension if some danger remained unsolved in the next chapter. But yeah, if someone is usually in battle, they resolve it as quickly and uninterrupted as usual.
Here's a link to a japanese bbs where there seems to be some talk about the latest chapter.
http://logsoku.com/thread/kohada.2ch.net/comic/1310072880/
And the url of the site which usually provides us with the first insights/spoilers on the new chapter. There's already something written about the new chapter. It's...very interesting but perhaps something you wouldn't want to spoil for yourself).
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/jagabata/
Thanks for providing that bbs link. I found it a while back but never could find it again and eventually forgot about it. Made sure to bookmark it this time.
Also glad to see Jagabata keeps uploading images every month. He only did it a few times earlier this year but has been consistent these past few months. Gotta say I love this month's image and preview.
Om Nerabdator
2011-12-19, 19:10
can someone upload some preview images here?
i wanna see who mio betrays
Robotech Master
2011-12-19, 19:11
So based on the preview image, looks like Solva now has more manipulative powers as opposed to just repel and attract?
Also, just to make sure I'm up to speed or need clarification:
Eden Seed/Adam Seed + Normal Human = Becomes a Needless or Dies
Eden Seed/Adam Seed + Normal Needless = Dies unless they're one of the Stigmata 12.
Or am I mixing things up? What was it Ishiyama took to boost his physical stats (but didn't appear to have a Stigmata). What about the evil Teruyama clone, which was it that he had, and why did he have a third option (neither death nor perfect transformation, but instead monster)?
Basically I've gotten the gist of everything that's happened up until now, but I want to make sure I have all the terminology and rules down.
Om Nerabdator
2011-12-19, 19:17
Im guessing in Ishiyamas case they made a eden seed that was compatible to him, there no way id think he'd risk his life without guarantees
K. Shiruto
2011-12-20, 03:01
can someone upload some preview images here?
i wanna see who mio betrays
Use spoiler tags please ;)
can someone upload some preview images here?
For now there is only the one you have already seen, but since you asked ,here.http://i41.tinypic.com/15rk27n.jpg
And please, like Adan said use the spoiler tag.:)
surerman
2011-12-20, 06:58
For now there is only the one you have already seen, but since you asked ,here.http://i41.tinypic.com/15rk27n.jpg
And please, like Adan said use the spoiler tag.:)
oh?!Solva replicate Kana's Over Technology creation technique using Magnetism to create extra limbs:D
now I'm sure Kafka will fall for her :p
Kafka : can walk in wall and ceiling also create web
Solva: can create mechanical spider like limbs
they perfect as a couple :heh:
K. Shiruto
2011-12-20, 07:32
oh?!Solva replicate Kana's Over Technology creation technique using Magnetism to create extra limbs:D
now I'm sure Kafka will fall for her :p
Kafka : can walk in wall and ceiling also create web
Solva: can create mechanical spider like limbs
they perfect as a couple :heh:
:eyebrow:
Hide this into a spoiler tag or I Planet Smash you!!
surerman
2011-12-20, 08:34
:eyebrow:
Hide this into a spoiler tag or I Planet Smash you!!
ack! sorry..:(
there..I add it
hm?, why no one interested to translate Needless 0?
even the raw is rare:confused:
KaMi-ZeRo
2011-12-20, 10:10
Kafka was SpiderMan, now Solva is Doc Ock :heh:
^
She has her villain face on, so your not far off. :D
So just from the spoiler pic, and the info Aden provided, it sounds like this chapter and the next are going to switch between the Seto/Solva fight, instead of a focus on one or another like last chapter. At this rate, maybe we will get to see a Blade/Adam fight by chapter 100.
Kafka was SpiderMan, now Solva is Doc Ock :heh:
That's would be the first time that I would want Spiderman to lose:heh:
K. Shiruto
2011-12-22, 06:04
It sure is taking its time the raw to come out. Last time it took that long was in chapter 78.
Avvesione
2011-12-22, 06:09
^
Your post got my hopes up :(
Still, at least we know there's a chapter out this month and we've seen some preview and discussion on it, so it's only a matter of time. Hopefully not much more though...
Also, a spoiler here but after looking at the discussions, what I find most surprising is supposedly there is no Cruz, Blade, or Eve this month! Guess we'll get a lot of time looking at Seto, Solva, and Mio and see what they're up to.
^
Also, a spoiler here but after looking at the discussions, what I find most surprising is supposedly there is no Cruz, Blade, or Eve this month! Guess we'll get a lot of time looking at Seto, Solva, and Mio and see what they're up to.
I hope you're wrong and we at least see a few scenes with Cruz, Eve and Blade.
K. Shiruto
2011-12-22, 07:31
^Damn right. I've been waiting to read this chapter only to see...
Eve's reaction to Yamada being in the City.
^Agree...the last time we saw more about Blade's reaction to this news .And I must say I'm really curious to see what Eve thinks about Yamada being in the City.
As close as we are to Christmas, might not see the raw till after the holiday. Hope that's not the case.
So if Cruz, Blade and Eve aren't in this chapter at all, where do you suppose Mio's going to be? I would have thought she was going to be at the lab.
No sign yet of the new chapter even though several chapters from the same magazine have been online for several days now......Ah well, let's just say waiting adds to the excitement. Anyway I found some new info. If I remember and translated it right it said.....
Mio-chan has been so long with Cruz&co she doesn't want to destroy Cruz even though she has been ordered to. She doesn't want to pick sides but it looks like she intends to help Cruz. She retrieves Teruyama's body, isn't this a very dangerous thing to do? I pray this doesn't activate her "death flag".
Mio and a death flag? Now that would truly have quite the impact, but it still looks like that's just speculation from whomever wrote it so let's not get too concerned about that.
Avvesione
2011-12-23, 21:45
No sign yet of the new chapter even though several chapters from the same magazine have been online for several days now......Ah well, let's just say waiting adds to the excitement. Anyway I found some new info. If I remember and translated it right it said.....
Mio-chan has been so long with Cruz&co she doesn't want to destroy Cruz even though she has been ordered to. She doesn't want to pick sides but it looks like she intends to help Cruz. She retrieves Teruyama's body, isn't this a very dangerous thing to do? I pray this doesn't activate her "death flag".
Mio and a death flag? Now that would truly have quite the impact, but it still looks like that's just speculation from whomever wrote it so let's not get too concerned about that.
Oh?
That would be depressing but I don't think anything like that will happen without definite foreshadowing or anything like that. I'm guessing we'll finally see her fight against Setsuna and Kuchinashi like some of us thought (Mio chosing to be by Cruz's side for so long vs. Setsuna saying if they had an order to kill Cruz they would). Guess that also defeats my whole "Mio is a spy" theory that I've been on for over a year now.
Is Cruz changing back into male clothes? Someone on the BSS asked if that there will be no more Yamada fanservice scenes anymore. Guess if we have the PGS back we don't really need him but it will be kinda strange to see him as a male after half the series was spent as a trap. Guess we'll see whenever we get this month's chapter...
shadow_user1
2011-12-24, 00:26
Needless was super funny to me i cant picture the humor 5/10 i at least think its 7/10 I mean were else can you were the protagonist is a pedophilic demon preist who you even wonder is the good guy
Oh?
That would be depressing but I don't think anything like that will happen without definite foreshadowing or anything like that. I'm guessing we'll finally see her fight against Setsuna and Kuchinashi like some of us thought (Mio chosing to be by Cruz's side for so long vs. Setsuna saying if they had an order to kill Cruz they would). Guess that also defeats my whole "Mio is a spy" theory that I've been on for over a year now.
Is Cruz changing back into male clothes? Someone on the BSS asked if that there will be no more Yamada fanservice scenes anymore. Guess if we have the PGS back we don't really need him but it will be kinda strange to see him as a male after half the series was spent as a trap. Guess we'll see whenever we get this month's chapter...
Wait ..what O_O....Now I want the ch even moreAbout Yamada maybe he have had to give his uniforme to someone else ?And Mio that chooses Yamada side even if she wants to remain neutral just wow.
Leidolfr
2011-12-24, 15:09
If chapter 97 is now available, send me the link of chapter please, and another thing, if that Teruyama who fought against Blade was fake, is it possible that the sister of Cruz is also a clone?
Aruka also can transform into a monster as the clone of Teruyama?
K. Shiruto
2011-12-24, 15:30
^Wishful thinking.
And no, the chapter isn't out yet. At this rate we might not get it till next week. Sorry but you're going to have to wait a little more.
^At least that way the wait for the next ch will be less.:heh:
Leidolfr
2011-12-24, 20:40
Thanks to both by having it clarified, in addition, I do not mind to wait another week, but what intrigues me most is that if Teruyama was dead and the other Teruyama was his clone, ¿does the possibility that the Aruka we saw in the building of Simeon is also a clone of the original Aruka?, if so, then that would explain why becomes evil and hates his brother Cruz.
K. Shiruto
2011-12-25, 07:38
^No, Arca is the real one, and the circumstances of she joining the evil side as well as her personal reasons are, today, still unknown. As I said before, thinking she's being mind-controlled or some kind of manipulative shit is wishful thinking at this point. Arca is fully aware of her actions, else she wouldn't not have lent a hand in helping her little brother escape Hatfield's clutches at that time when she blasted a hole on the Ice Wall.
Teruyama on the other hand it made sense that he was a clone, because his actions were way out of his character. The real Teruyama would NEVER EVER join Simeon ranks.
^No, Arca is the real one, and the circumstances of she joining the evil side as well as her personal reasons are, today, still unknown. As I said before, thinking she's being mind-controlled or some kind of manipulative shit is wishful thinking at this point. Arca is fully aware of her actions, else she wouldn't not have lent a hand in helping her little brother escape Hatfield's clutches at that time when she blasted a hole on the Ice Wall.
Teruyama on the other hand it made sense that he was a clone, because his actions were way out of his character. The real Teruyama would NEVER EVER join Simeon ranks.
Totally agree with everything you said.
Any way Merry Christmas:)
Leidolfr
2011-12-25, 12:34
Thanks for the clarification, and another question, ¿it is possible that Aruka becomes also a monster to free his true power as did Teruyama clone?
Merry Christmas and happy new year to all :)
Thanks for the clarification, and another question, ¿it is possible that Aruka becomes also a monster to free his true power as did Teruyama clone?
Merry Christmas and happy new year to all :)
I don't think some one can answer this ,at least for now.If I remember correctly, we know that AL did his trick with the tentacles, but that she can become a monster to release her true power.we have no clue to think of something like this.
Leidolfr
2011-12-25, 17:38
OK, but... ¿what chapter of the manga Arclight Gets the tentacles to Aruka?, because I know just what got to Riru to give him more power.
^Now that I think it aobut it better there is not one.But I remember that's some one (Adan if I'm remember right) made the hypothesis that Aruka was enhanced in the same way as Riru.
Leidolfr
2011-12-25, 19:06
Ok, but what I hope certainly is where Cruz is a needless, need to fight against her sister, and Cruz having it, I like to see that face would Aruka to see that it has been defeated by his younger brother, as insurance that she cries her desperate and angry: "I curse you Cruz, is unforgivable that a being weaker as you can beat a link lost like me, Aruka". Apart from that, also seek revenge against Cruz to be humiliated in this way.
I say this because I want to Cruz to have his revenge against his sister, because it is unforgivable that she has made him much harm, and that before she protected it and looked after it, also if I hated, ¿why not killed him from the beginning?, is that it makes no sense that of the overnight it odie to cross without knowing the reason for why they would both hates.
Sorry my reaction, but it is that I have a hatred of Aruka until I Cruz does not have mercy with her when he becomes a needless. :frustrated:.
surerman
2011-12-25, 22:54
Ok, but what I hope certainly is where Cruz is a needless, need to fight against her sister, and Cruz having it, I like to see that face would Aruka to see that it has been defeated by his younger brother, as insurance that she cries her desperate and angry: "I curse you Cruz, is unforgivable that a being weaker as you can beat a link lost like me, Aruka". Apart from that, also seek revenge against Cruz to be humiliated in this way.
I say this because I want to Cruz to have his revenge against his sister, because it is unforgivable that she has made him much harm, and that before she protected it and looked after it, also if I hated, ¿why not killed him from the beginning?, is that it makes no sense that of the overnight it odie to cross without knowing the reason for why they would both hates.
Sorry my reaction, but it is that I have a hatred of Aruka until I Cruz does not have mercy with her when he becomes a needless. :frustrated:.
WAHAHAHAHA:D
don't be angry, there there
it's called Human trait you know?:D
once Homosapien gain power, they start looking down to others, even they own fellow species member. Like how several countries do to others.
while in truth they're (human) not so valuable in this planet:D
I regret my decision in the past to invest my money, I chopped several Homosapien to pieces, and try to sell their meat in the market as mince meat, but no one want to buy it :( it's cost me half of my money:mad:
Heck even my Dog and Pigs mince meat selling well to Korean, than the human one:eyespin:
see...don't be angry, just enjoy the story:)
^Now that I think it aobut it better there is not one.But I remember that's some one (Adan if I'm remember right) made the hypothesis that Aruka was enhanced in the same way as Riru.
That was me (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3241476#post3241476), but it was really just a random speculation. There's no evidence that the tentacles did actually enter into it. (Enter into what??? :eek:)
So where's this month's chapter? Just my luck to be staying with relatives who have internet access, and be able to download as much as I like, and there's nothing to download. And I was looking forward to
Maybe some PGS action? Would be nice to see someone other than Yamada wearing those stripes...
Or failing that, Solva suffering some serious wardrobe damage in the course of her fight. Not that I have a particular interest in her choice of underwear as such, it's just that I've been wondering for some time whether or not this scene from the anime can be regarded as canon:
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/avatars/avatar111115_6.gif
An important question that demands a prompt answer, IMO. (Actually, it's only just occurred to me that it's definitely not canon as far as Yamada is concerned. Score zero for observation.)
Either way, fingers crossed that this chapter yields a suitable preview image for the Pew Pew site... :heh:
Leidolfr
2011-12-26, 08:13
XDDD ok, you're right Surerman, the best thing is to enjoy the story because there are still many questions unresolved, in addition, if Arclight ordered to be killed to Cruz, so because he knows that in the future, Cruz will become the greatest threat to Arclight and its plans.
Oh, and thank you for clarifying the question before on the tentacles, Sayo A. :).
@ Sayo A.
Nice to see you posting here again Sayo. It's really too bad the raw isn't out now that you have the ability to download without having to jump through hoops.
I'm pretty sure I can find a "suitable" preview for the next chapter. If there's one thing which seems to be a solid rule with Needless it's there's always a pantsu shot(or a hotpantsu shot).
As for Solva's underwear, just look at this pic from chapter 95 and your question will be answered. It looks like they made it a bit smaller for the anime but the general design still applies.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7623/needless09514.png
As for Solva's underwear, just look at this pic from chapter 95 and your question will be answered. It looks like they made it a bit smaller for the anime but the general design still applies.
And another zero for observation on my part. My brain obviously just didn't register it as underclothing. I mean, was she born in 1870 or something?
Though, come to think of it, it's very similar to what's worn by a certain Negima! character under her 1940s sailor suit, so I really have no excuse...
Avvesione
2011-12-26, 22:14
And another zero for observation on my part. My brain obviously just didn't register it as underclothing. I mean, was she born in 1870 or something?
Though, come to think of it, it's very similar to what's worn by a certain Negima! character under her 1940s sailor suit, so I really have no excuse...
I've seen an increase in bloomers as underwear in anime/manga and especially fan art recently. They usually are seen under large or elegant dresses or skirts and kind of give off a gentle, feminine, lady-like vibe (which completely contradicts Solva's split personalities).
Plus you've already got every other type of underwear used already with striped, print, lace, and white panties, fundoshi, and nothing (Aruka) covered already, so why not bloomers? I'm guessing striped is Imai Kami's favorite since we've got Setsuna and Yamada constantly giving us pantyshots each chapter but... *spoiler based off discussion on the lasted chapter*...sounds like we might be getting trap Yamada anymore after what happens in this chapter.
I've seen an increase in bloomers as underwear in anime/manga and especially fan art recently. They usually are seen under large or elegant dresses or skirts and kind of give off a gentle, feminine, lady-like vibe (which completely contradicts Solva's split personalities).
Plus you've already got every other type of underwear used already with striped, print, lace, and white panties, fundoshi, and nothing (Aruka) covered already, so why not bloomers? I'm guessing striped is Imai Kami's favorite since we've got Setsuna and Yamada constantly giving us pantyshots each chapter but... *spoiler based off discussion on the lasted chapter*...sounds like we might be getting trap Yamada anymore after what happens in this chapter.
And this really make me wonder Ok that a few posts ago I said that maybe he gave his uniform to someone else, but not take away the fact that remain in trap mode was a meaning to protect himself. But if you're right and he will never dress like that anymore, does that's mean that now he has the meaning to protect himself?this choice author really makes me wonder which means has and if Yamada finally gets a Needless power.
And this really make me wonder Ok that a few posts ago I said that maybe he gave his uniform to someone else, but not take away the fact that remain in trap mode was a meaning to protect himself. But if you're right and he will never dress like that anymore, does that's mean that now he has the meaning to protect himself?this choice author really makes me wonder which means has and if Yamada finally gets a Needless power.
It's doubtful that Cruz has developed a Needless power, it more likely that someone (Setsuna I would imagine) has exposed him, and the disguise no longer serves a purpose. If that's the case, Cruz would try to get rid of it as soon as possible.
It's doubtful that Cruz has developed a Needless power, it more likely that someone (Setsuna I would imagine) has exposed him, and the disguise no longer serves a purpose. If that's the case, Cruz would try to get rid of it as soon as possible.
sorry, I should explain better. :heh:I know this, but I also know that the author is no someone who do somethings for no reason.What I wonder is...why the author do this if he don't want to give a Yamada the meaning to protecting himself. Especially given that Eve and Blade don't are there with him (at least for now). ?
^Gotcha :)
From a sheer storytelling perspective, now is the perfect time for Cruz to loose his Yamada persona. As of the last chapter Cruz was completely safe with a near perfect disguise, and an ID that seems to give him access to just about anywhere in Simeon facilities. He's invisible while nearly everyone else is fighting just to stay alive. If he really does lose that safety net in the new chapter, now he's the one in the most danger, which would set up the next part of the story nicely as I think Kami wants to save the Blade/Arclight fight to the end. Besides from the sound of it, seems Cruz isn't completely alone. If Mio has decided to continue to support Cruz,Setsuna and Kuchinashi are going to have to quickly decide on which side they want to be on. Also if Mio has stolen Teruyama's remains, then there's a good chance he'll be back among the living soon. We'll just have to wait for the raw's to see what's what.
Avvesione
2011-12-28, 03:14
^
Guess we'll find out when we finally get the chapter
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Also, I'm not sure if any of you follow my blog at all but I recently wrote a quick post about Setsuna (and Kuchinashi) reappearing in Needless. It's geared more toward people who aren't following the manga or haven't watched the anime but you guys might find it interest, especially since we're still waiting for the new chapter.
http://avvesione.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/12-days-of-anime-day-12-the-return-of-my-favorite-character/
Reason I'm posting that now is to maybe get a general idea of everyone's favorite scene in Needless. I'm not sure what mine is, would have to think about it, but I really liked seeing Setsuna and Kuchinashi appear after so long. Plus, this might help pass the time before the new chapter is up.
^to follow your bloog ,I do, it's just I don't always post. Sorry about that.Anyway as usual good work. In any case ,I am really curious to see your analyze about this month ch when you do.
Avvesione
2011-12-28, 22:11
^to follow your bloog ,I do, it's just I don't always post. Sorry about that.Anyway as usual good work. In any case ,I am really curious to see your analyze about this month ch when you do.
Oh, it's probably better you don't comment every post since that can be a little difficult or tiring. This was mainly meant for others who check out this forum only once a month (when chapters are out) if they're interested. Thanks for following, though, glad you like my monthly chapter posts!
Oh, it's probably better you don't comment every post since that can be a little difficult or tiring.
That's true. Any way I was looking for some more spoiler on this month ch.And I noticed several posts regarding Yamada and his return to his male person.It seems that not everyone took the news in a positive way. Poor Yamada his fans prefer him in its female version:heh:
K. Shiruto
2011-12-29, 14:42
Still I wonder for which cause he went back to his male persona. Moreover, where in the hell did he find male clothes that fit him...
Perhaps it had to give his clothes to a beautiful girl?Or as somebody said earlier ,someone blew his coverage. But yeah...good question. I wonder as well where did he find male clothes that fit him.
As a mega corporation employing teenage girls as assassins, my guess would be the in-company mall :heh:
I'm glad that Cruz will be back to his old self, I know a lot of people like him as a trap, but let the poor kid have his dignity back. He has to sneak around just to use the bathroom.
Avvesione
2011-12-30, 01:11
I can just see it happen...
Cruz gets back to his male persona for a chapter only to be forced back into being a trap next month. Would be hilarious.
^lol.
honestly ,Same here and I beat that Kuchinashi will be one of the primary causes for this, if the girls joins Cruz side:p
Perhaps it had to give his clothes to a beautiful girl?Or as somebody said earlier ,someone blew his coverage. But yeah...good question. I wonder as well where did he find male clothes that fit him.
If someone did blow off all his coverage, as it were, his true gender would be exposed for all to see. ;) He wouldn't need to find male clothing. (Well, he would, but that's a different issue...)
Hasn't someone enjoy Cruz's trap service?
Guardian Enzo
2012-01-03, 12:53
Hasn't someone enjoy Cruz's trap service?
Well, judging by his fixation on Cruz' panties, Imai certainly has!
Cruz in trap mode has been generally hilarious, but I agree it's time to let him have a little dignity back - enough is enough.
^ True.But like I said he still not having the power to protect himself and that disguise was useful to this (protect itstelf).But then again both Saten and Aruka have recognized that he was him on the first try.:heh:
Avvesione
2012-01-04, 03:09
^
Kinda makes you wonder how girly Cruz is to begin with it Setsuna said the simple disguise made him look "almost too good" (meaning he looks just like a girl) and Saten and Aruka saw through the disguise immediately (meaning they knew it was him when he looks just like a girl).
I wonder if Cruz will ever win at anything. :(
^Good question .... I hope that he will have more luck from now on.He has had his successes, but in a way or the other his plan always backfire him:heh:
Guardian Enzo
2012-01-04, 17:18
I think it could be argued that "Yamada" is a tacit acknowledgement that Cruz is weak. He's the only cast member who has to go around as a trap to avoid detection. When he puts his boy clothes on again, he's symbolically standing up to his enemies.
I think it could be argued that "Yamada" is a tacit acknowledgement that Cruz is weak. He's the only cast member who has to go around as a trap to avoid detection. When he puts his boy clothes on again, he's symbolically standing up to his enemies.
You know..I really like how you said this. Maybe you're right is not about having the power to protect themselves, but the will to standing up before your enemies.:)
surerman
2012-01-06, 06:14
You know..I really like how you said this. Maybe you're right is not about having the power to protect themselves, but the will to standing up before your enemies.:)
in my society it called Blind Fury :D ...an stupid act
If you can't oppose it, join it XD
Yamada has good reason to exist, and it's better that way for Blade:p, Disk :D, Kuch-tan :heh: and Cruz himself.
slightly off topic:
I think Cruz must be grateful about his Trap form, since not all male born with neutral gender appearance like him.
I heard from my friend in Japan, some silly guy (probably too overconfident to his appearance), try to sneak in to a private all girl high school dressing like one of them, and arrested by the police.
May be he read too much trap manga like Otoboku or Oto x Maho hahahaha:D
K. Shiruto
2012-01-06, 18:19
Since our raw providers seem to be on a long vacation during these Christmas holidays, I started searching down other websites. Who knows, I might find it somewhere.
Avvesione
2012-01-06, 22:04
Since our raw providers seem to be on a long vacation during these Christmas holidays, I started searching down other websites. Who knows, I might find it somewhere.
I've been doing that too since about Christmas and haven't found anything yet either.
surerman
2012-01-07, 00:49
I've been doing that too since about Christmas and haven't found anything yet either.
hmm...I'll try it then .....err...I mean my IT subordinate...:p
*summon Warlock*
Warlock?, I want U find this manga for me...can U?
...*nod*
*search still in progress*
waiting mode: ON :)
Since our raw providers seem to be on a long vacation during these Christmas holidays, I started searching down other websites. Who knows, I might find it somewhere.
I've been doing that too since about Christmas and haven't found anything yet either.
Anyone who might be tempted to scan it is probably still waiting for the regular provider to get their finger out and do it. I hope he hasn't given up on the series. Or run out of money to spend on comics. Or been hit by a bus. Come to think of it, it's a pretty fragile thread we're hanging on here. :(
Why can't someone just scan the whole magazine, that's what I want to know...
K. Shiruto
2012-01-09, 14:06
^If it's about raw providers there's lots, so I wouldn't worry about this. Besides, give also these guys a break, it's not that easy to scan 28 to 30 pages. I'm sure we'll eventually get the raw, so, just be patient.
Anyone who might be tempted to scan it is probably still waiting for the regular provider to get their finger out and do it. I hope he hasn't given up on the series. Or run out of money to spend on comics. Or been hit by a bus. Come to think of it, it's a pretty fragile thread we're hanging on here. :(
Why can't someone just scan the whole magazine, that's what I want to know...
Lol, to be honest I was tempted to just buy the magazine myself and give it a go, but since I only like Needless and am sure the moment I order it the raw would appear online(plus I'll eventually get it anyway when I'll buy vol 14) I decided against it.
About a week ago the entire Needless 13 volume(scanned cover to cover) has appeared online. Perhaps the guy who did that will do the same for volume 14. But that's something for the long run.
At the moment I'm just wondering whether we'll see chapter 97 before 98 get's released in Japan. If I were a betting man I'd say we won't, but I'd gladly be wrong about that.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-09, 18:25
Oh, speaking about that... two days ago I found a website where you can download volumes from lots of manga, including the 13 volumes of Needless that have been released :)
Avvesione
2012-01-09, 19:03
Lol, to be honest I was tempted to just buy the magazine myself and give it a go, but since I only like Needless and am sure the moment I order it the raw would appear online(plus I'll eventually get it anyway when I'll buy vol 14) I decided against it.
Wait, so you're sure that if you buy the magazine that the raw will appear online? Sounds all the more reason to buy it to me =P
Actually, last week I was looking around at Japanese bookstores in town to see if any carry Ultrajump and unsurprisingly none do (think there are only 80,000 subscriptions in Japan). But I might look to order from amazon.co.jp or something (but I don't have a scanner either).
I want to be patient but knowing there's a new chapter out there and not being able to access it really drives me nuts. And with only 10 days left until the next chapter is released, I want to get 97 first before getting 98.
Don't think it would be to bad if the raws for 97 and 98 came out at the same time, but if 98 isn't scanned right away, we may have a problem.
surerman
2012-01-10, 06:58
Don't think it would be to bad if the raws for 97 and 98 came out at the same time, but if 98 isn't scanned right away, we may have a problem.
try convince Mentar-bro then :D
he's translating/fansubbing skill will give you a good time:D
seriously...we have a resource here, why we didn't create our own scanlator group?:heh:
I want to be patient but knowing there's a new chapter out there and not being able to access it really drives me nuts. And with only 10 days left until the next chapter is released, I want to get 97 first before getting 98.
Same here, but I try to think ,that like this we will read two ch one after another.:heh:
K. Shiruto
2012-01-10, 09:54
For the record, I've just installed Perfect Dark on my laptop.
I've got something nice for you all :) Lol, no sorry it's not the latest raw. It's chapter 41. You can find it at the usual place.
@ Adan I did the same thing about a week ago when Share didn't yield any results, but I haven't seen anything new there either. For anyone who doesn't know what Perfect dark is, it's a Japanese p2p program(file exchange).
Om Nerabdator
2012-01-10, 15:06
i was wondering why the latest ch hasnt come out, theres no raw!!??
Damn that sucks
Avvesione
2012-01-12, 01:57
Just checked amazon.co.jp for the price to ship the most recent copy of Ultra Jump to the US and it was about $50... (2-5 day shipping though is nice). Anyone know of any other Japanese retailers who would stock it, ship to the US, do it quickly, and are easier on the wallet? I'm ready to buy it but not for $50... well, at least not yet =P
Unfortunately Yesasia doesn't have Ultra jump in his assortment. I'll look around a bit and see if I can find anything which has what you're looking for.
$50 does sound a bit steep when all you're after is a 28page chapter. About a dollar and a half for each page....yikes...
I did some looking around, surprisingly J-List sells copy's of Ultra Jump for right around $10, it didn't look like they had December's issue in. You can get a reserve subscription though.
Avvesione
2012-01-12, 11:01
I did some looking around, surprisingly J-List sells copy's of Ultra Jump for right around $10, it didn't look like they had December's issue in. You can get a reserve subscription though.
I looked at J-list as well and eliminated them. They were ~$40 for 5-10 days shipping whereas amazon was ~$50 for 2-5 days. Would rather pay the extra $10 to get it potentially 3-8 days sooner.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-13, 09:27
Still nothing. The raw providers better upload both chapters this month, I refuse reading ch. 98 until I get ch. 97 in my hands. And from today onwards I won't be checking spoilers anymore.
^ I'm afraid I won't be able to restrain myself if chapter 98 does become available before 97 does, but there's also the possibility 98 won't make it at all :uhoh: In which case I'm really not sure if I want to look at preview pics and spoilers like the ones at jagabata. Just skipping one chapter is something I can handle but more than that would quickly ruin the experience for when I do finally get my hands on them.
Guys do not be so pessimistic I am sure we will see both ch soon .:)
Avvesione
2012-01-13, 22:29
Well, I went to the local Japanese bookstore after work to see if they had Ultra Jump in stock and they don't carry it. Fortunately, they can special order it for me, so I went ahead and ordered it. Should be ready in about a week and for much cheaper than any of the online stores, too. They also are able to do a subscription which, depending on this month's chapters, I might be tempted to order.
I'm still holding out hope that everything is fine with our usual provider but I'm through with waiting and have chapter 97 coming in sometime next week.
^ So the hmv site I pm'ed you about wasn't any good either? At first sight it looked like it had very reasonable prices to me, but then again nothing which can compare to those specialized rl stores. They´re usually much more eager to offer you a lower price when it comes to the shipping cost, which of course is only natural because they can just order it along with the rest of their usual bulk orders and wait for you to come and get it. Damn I wish I had one in my neighbourhood. Shipping cost is my least favorite part of any sort of transaction.
Avvesione
2012-01-14, 05:50
^
Thanks again for the link. Guess I never replied to your PM about the HMV site, so I went ahead and sent you some of the info on what I found out about them and the bookstore I'm going through.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-14, 08:22
So this has ended up leading to us order the magazine. Guess this means Ynot or me will have to upload the raw on Share for when it's ready.
I just finished uploading chapter 42 to the Pewpew site. The last chapter of volume 6! It's volume 7 where it get's really interesting though. Can't wait to get started on that one :)
Oh man, Disc in chapter 42, I was laughing pretty hard there.
Avvesione
2012-01-15, 02:45
Haha at the last page. Before reading it, I was wondering if Imai Kami forgot to draw boobs for Solva or a nipple or anything when I looked at her there. Kinda funny to see you saw the same thing.
After read ch 42 ..now I'm sure the only one Aruka could refer with "Him" are Cruz or AL.
And I really hope that the manga gives us an soon answer about this thing.
Guess what :D Pm me for "the spoils of war".
K. Shiruto
2012-01-16, 06:23
And pm me as well. Yeah, it's what you think :D
Guess what :D Pm me for "the spoils of war".
lol this is the only war that i like it :D
K. Shiruto
2012-01-16, 06:43
Whoever said Yamada was making an appearance in this chapter, lied.
On the other hand... Go, go, go, Mio!!!
The best thing is that the next chapter will be released within 3 days :D
Whoever said Yamada was making an appearance in this chapter, lied.
On the other hand... Go, go, go, Mio!!!
The best thing is that the next chapter will be released within 3 days :D
Agree with everything you said.
But,I'm the only one worry to see Mio with that spear in her hand? And why I have a feeling that that spear will end near Yamada?:uhoh:
K. Shiruto
2012-01-16, 07:15
That kind of Eden Seed is really disturbing, first Teruyama, and now Kafka.
Though Solva blasted Uten's spear away, it's already too late, the Eden Seed has entered Seth's system.
^Is enough to see her eyes ....I'm worry about her .
K. Shiruto
2012-01-16, 07:26
By the way...
The end of the trap? Yeah, you wish!
^they were too optimistic but I admit I'm fell a bit sorry for Yamada that must continue to be a trap.
Leidolfr
2012-01-16, 09:56
Chapter 97 available?, if so, send me the link in a message private please, thanks.
Avvesione
2012-01-16, 10:42
Wonderful! I'll have a lot more to say once I get back from work but...
Holy shit is Solva amazing. Look at her take care of Kafka and then when his twisted body regenerates, she does it again by saving Seto despite being attacked by Kafka again. She's badass. Too bad that her Anti on the spear caused Mio to get hit buy it but this way Mio will develop a Stigmata.
I've always joked Mio would develop a bear Stigmata on her butt to match her panties. Was only a joke then but I hope it really happens now lol.
Thanks again for finding the chapter.
Kefka's definitely been exposed to Eden seed with that regeneration ability, but he seems to be more like Teruyama's clone right now. Glad we won't have to wait too long to see if he developed a Stigmata or not.
Oh, and scientist with the moe haircut, hilarious.
Haha this chapter is awesome. I'm still following this series ardently, but it's taken until the most recent few chapters to really grab me again. Here's a quick summary of what's going on in this chapter, to help clear some things up:
Setsuna explains that the shoujo butai have been given the mission of finding and killing Yamada. She tells Mio that she can opt out if she wants, since she knows that she's traveled with and grown attached to Cruz and that this mission would be hard on her. Mio accepts the offer and stays behind. However, she's spurred into action upon realizing that Cruz has infiltrated the lab without any help, and decides to help out Cruz anyway. She asks the scientists if Teruyama can be revived, and they respond that it's possible. It just so happens that one of them is a member of the shoujo butai fanclub. He gladly hands over what remains of Teruyama, which is apparently still alive - though he warns that he won't live for much longer. The scientist asks Mio for a favor in return, and ominously requests that she "grasp" his "rod." This is of course revealed at the end of the chapter to be a silly joke about bending an iron pipe.
Uten taunts Seto some more and mentions that the purpose of the Needless hunt is so Arclight can find the 12 stigmata carriers. Seto's impending death upsets Solva quite a bit, to the extent that she uses her magnetism powers to construct a mech and then make a building fall on Kafka (I always did think her ability was extraordinarily underutilized, until now). She's capable of thoroughly tearing apart Kafka in this powered up state, but alas Kafka regenerates. He explains that this regeneration is the power of the Eden Seeds and taunts Seto by telling her that she won't be able to kill him with these kinds of petty attacks.
Solva doesn't care though. She was just buying time so that she could take care of her first priority - anti'ing Uten's spear out of Seto. I figured she was going to use it as a weapon herself, but...well...your guess of what Mio is going to do with it is as good as mine.
Mio mentions near the end that she is looking for Cruz and Onii-chan. Maybe she hopes to get Teruyama healed by Eve? Man Teruyama really can't be having a good time inside that bag...oh, and the "preview" tag line at the end of the chapter says "Will Mio join the battle next chapter?"
I can't wait for the next chapter. With any luck we'll see it pretty soon!
Avvesione
2012-01-17, 23:30
^
Welcome back Kefit. Glad to see you're back again with a post. And thanks for the summarization, too, that certainly helps.
About Uten's spear, I have two curiosities with it. One, does that mean Uten has lost some of his power by taking out the condensed Eden's Seeds and is now less power (and maybe not able to regenerate like other Eden's Seed Needless?) If so, he might be able to be killed without that spear in his body. Secondly, I am concerned about Mio catching it and with the blood coming out on the either side. I hope Mio didn't pierce herself with the spear and that is blood from the spear going out. Mio doesn't appear to suffer any pain or damage so that's a good sign.
^
I was wondering about that as well, but since as you said Mio doesn't appear to be in any pain, the blood most likely came from the spear alone. I just hope nothing bad happens to her as a result of her having that thing. Might be interesting to see what would happen to Teruyama if she was to poke him with it.
Might be interesting to see what would happen to Teruyama if she was to poke him with it.
^absolutely
Mio has a bag with someone who's messed up enough to certainly die very soon and in the other hand she has an object which can give someone immense regeneration capabilities.....plus Teruyama was great experimentation material and scientists have already succeeded in implanting edenseed in his clones... I don't know how it exactly will happen but if Teruyama doesn't get poked with with that spear before he'll truly die I'd be veeeeery surprised. Eve doesn't have that highly concentrated Derodoron solution anymore so she shouldn't be able to heal him which makes edenseed the only viable option for Teruyama to survive. In my opinion it's all just too much of a coincidence to not be used like that.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-18, 03:59
From what it's told, there seems to be 2 types of Eden Seed.
Kafka's (and by extension, Teruyama's clone). For the first, the user gains some kind of advanced high speed regeneration ability as well as a possible boost in power.
The later Eden Seed is the real deal, easily recognized if the needless bears the Stigmata. Those with the mark are said to be closer to God, hence why they're capable to perform feats that normal needlesses couldn't. For example, turning organic matter invisible would be one of these unthinkable achievements.
And I agree with Ynot, that spear shall be used on Teruyama... NOW!!
^ Could be, but perhaps instead of more than one type it's more a matter of concentration of eden seed.
Uten pierced Seth's skin with the spear but didn't pull it back after a second, no he kept it within her. Now that may be because he's a sadistic little bastard(quite likely) or perhaps it's because there's a certain threshold of edenseed which need to be within a host to properly do it's job and kill the Needless or awaken the stigmata within. So maybe Seth will receive a power-up but not a stigmata, just like which seems to have happened to Teruyama's clone.
^Is possible what say, but I suppose we do not know enough to draw any conclusions in this regard.
Avvesione
2012-01-18, 23:41
Chapter 98 is out in Japan. Saw the one sentence synopsis on Ultra Jump's website for the chapter, too. Could we get 2 new chapters in one week? I hope so because that means we'd get be getting 98 in only a few days!
I saw a pic of Yamada in the preview pages for the march edition of Ultra jump. A needless chapter without either Disk or Yamada always makes me feel slightly disappointed so I do hope he'll also make an appearance in chapter 98.
The preview sentence for this month's release says: Kafka&Uten vs Seto&Solva who'll win?! I hope the fight will be ended in this chapter. But I'm curious how Seth and Solva will take care of someone who keeps regenerating. Their powers are mainly about inflicting blunt trauma and that doesn't look very effective when trying to destroy eden seed powered Needless permanently
^Waith ,but if 98 is this moth ch.how can be that there is already ch 99 preview?
^ That's not that strange is it? There are a lot of magazines who show a preview for the next week/month.
There are basically two previews, one on the Ultra Jump site for the current edition and in the magazine itself for the next edition.
Here's the preview I'm talking about
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1958/maincr.jpg
K. Shiruto
2012-01-19, 09:33
No, no and no!! I refuse to open these spoiler tags, I'm gonna wait for the raw.
Ynot@ Thanks for the answer .It's more clear to me now.:)
The preview sentence for this month's release says: Kafka&Uten vs Seto&Solva who'll win?! I hope the fight will be ended in this chapter. But I'm curious how Seth and Solva will take care of someone who keeps regenerating. Their powers are mainly about inflicting blunt trauma and that doesn't look very effective when trying to destroy eden seed powered Needless permanently.
Since Uten has lost his eden seed spear, I'd imagine that he would have lost any abilities he had to regenerate, leaving him with only his Stigmata to fall back upon. If Seto develops her own Stigmata, the fight's most likely to end with Uten a bloody smear on the sidewalk. As for Kefka, Seto might not be able to destroy him, but I'd imagine she might be able to either trap him, or remove him from the fight.
One of the questions I have, though is how is Seto going to survive that spear wound. That last picture we saw when Solva tossed the spear away was really nasty, and I'm not sure she can survive that without having either gained the regeneration power from the spear, or help from Eve or Disk.
Guardian Enzo
2012-01-19, 13:09
I saw a pic of Yamada in the preview pages for the march edition of Ultra jump. A needless chapter without either Disk or Yamada always makes me feel slightly disappointed so I do hope he'll also make an appearance in chapter 98.
Hopefully this will be the chapter where he finally gets to put on some pants...:heh:
^ That's not that strange is it? There are a lot of magazines who show a preview for the next week/month.
There are basically two previews, one on the Ultra Jump site for the current edition and in the magazine itself for the next edition.
No, no and no!! I refuse to open these spoiler tags, I'm gonna wait for the raw.
Very wise. I just made the mistake of looking at the March edition preview page. Of course, I had to try to decipher the text, only to discover that it not only hints at what's coming up in chapter 99 but also, by implication, provides a bit of a spoiler for chapter 98... So don't open that tag!
-MAJOR SPOILER ALERT-
Don't say you haven't been warned :)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8323/teruyama.png
Avvesione
2012-01-19, 14:34
Very wise. I just made the mistake of looking at the March edition preview page. Of course, I had to try to decipher the text, only to discover that it not only hints at what's coming up in chapter 99 but also, by implication, provides a bit of a spoiler for chapter 98... So don't open that tag!
What caught my attention about it was the advertisement that Chapter 99 will have the color images but I didn't notice the text below was the preview to Chapter 99 (couldn't read it at first). Just went back and looked at it now.
Mostly excited for who will be in the next fight. Should be interesting to watch that and see what happens.:D
surerman
2012-01-19, 14:44
-MAJOR SPOILER ALERT-
Don't say you haven't been warned :)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8323/teruyama.png
what a brutal way to wake some one up :heh:
^It's Miowhat you aspect:heh:
Avvesione
2012-01-19, 15:47
My favorite part about the preview:
is that demonic looking sword with those screaming faces, twisted flesh, and blood becomes all cartoony like (or at least non-threatening) when Mio stabs the bag. It's very cute.
Avvesione@ Agree with you there.
-MAJOR SPOILER ALERT-
Don't say you haven't been warned :)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8323/teruyama.png
I was having a horrible day at work until I saw this. Thanks a bunch for the preview Ynot.
The image of Teruyama hopping around on his tiny regenerated legs and feet. Too funny for words.:heh:
Lots to say today... where to start? Here's a random thought about chapter 97:
Look at Kafka's face after he regenerates. Do the scars around his eyes remind you of anyone? It's probably just a coincidence, but...
Anyway, on to chapter 98.
-MAJOR SPOILER ALERT-
Don't say you haven't been warned :)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8323/teruyama.png
It's just as we predicted! (Well, I didn't, not as such. But I was going to agree with what the others said.)
My favorite part about the preview:
is that demonic looking sword with those screaming faces, twisted flesh, and blood becomes all cartoony like (or at least non-threatening) when Mio stabs the bag. It's very cute.
Been a while since I've seen a raw where Mio has some dialogue, and I was just thinking, even the font she speaks in is cute. It's like it was written in crayon. :)
And finally, chapter 99...
What caught my attention about it was the advertisement that Chapter 99 will have the color images but I didn't notice the text below was the preview to Chapter 99 (couldn't read it at first). Just went back and looked at it now.
Mostly excited for who will be in the next fight. Should be interesting to watch that and see what happens.:D
Okay. Based on that preview page for next month's Ultra Jump (where did Ynot find that, by the way?), here are my predictions for what's coming up in chapter 98. Warning: There's some information about the contents of chapter 99. If you prefer to remain in the dark where that's concerned, don't read this! (But I suspect most of you will regardless.)
So what do we have?
First, there's a picture of Yamada. My guess is, it's just a random illustration of the main character (it's from chapter 92 by the way) and doesn't tell us anything useful, like whether or not he's actually going to make an appearance. Or what he'll be wearing.
Then it says it'll be in the centre of the magazine, with colour pages. Well, it would be the start of a new volume, so that's to be expected. OK, Avvesione already mentioned that, I suppose it doesn't really need a spoiler tag...
The text below the artist's name is pretty hard to make out, but a combination of guesswork and wishful thinking yields the following:
Mio and Teruyama VS Setsuna and Kuchinashi.
Seth and Solva VS Uten and Kafka.
2 big battles... and something I can't read. (I can plausibly get 2大バトルの**は but I've reached the limits of my knowledge and have no idea what characters those blobs might be.)
So we know who's alive and well and still able to fight in chapter 99, from which we can deduce what has to happen before that:
Teruyama is revived somehow. I'm thinking it's quite likely Uten's spear has something to do with that. (I wrote this last night, by the way. Old news now, but at least I got something right...)
Seth survives her crucifixion. (It's a doddle. :) ) It would be pretty boring if being transfixed by that spear had no net result, so I'm betting on some kind of power-up. Stigma(ta)? Maybe...
And obviously no resolution of the current battles. I wonder if that's enough to fill a chapter? Maybe Yamada will turn up after all.
Oh, yes, and given that the supporting characters are still slugging it out in chapter 99 (not to mention it's the start of a volume), I think it's starting to look pretty unlikely that part 1 is going to end at chapter 100. I think I've only changed my mind about that twice. So far. :heh:
I just read something nice.
Looks like Yamada will be present again this month :) (read it on a bbs I gave the link to a couple of pages back).
Btw, that preview pic can be found at the Ultra Jump site Sayo.
I just read something nice.
Looks like Yamada will be present again this month :) (read it on a bbs I gave the link to a couple of pages back).
Btw, that preview pic can be found at the Ultra Jump site Sayo.
Thanks. Now I just have to resist the temptation to look at it every month.
Isn't that the same BBS where they said Yamada was exiting trap mode? I hope this month's information is a bit more reliable...
^ It's the same bbs but they never said Yamada was exiting trap mode. Whoever thought so simply read too much into it when trying to translate a sentence, which can easily happen when you don't have that much experience translating Japanese. Now that I think of it I don't think that piece of information was presented as absolute truth either so meh.
I'm certainly no exception and that's why I said "looks" instead of "definitely". But here's the part which makes me think so. You can decide for yourself whether there's any truth to it or I'm just giving in to wishful thinking.
今月の山田は素晴らしい嫐られっぷりだった
ごちそうさまでした
----------EDIT----------
Chapter 97 has just been released. Enjoy :)
----------EDIT----------
Thanks Ynot.
in any way I really hope we see Yamada in ch 98.I'm curios about what he doing right now.
Chapter 97:
The 7th page is soooo wrong.
Avvesione
2012-01-21, 18:39
Thanks for releasing Chapter 97 so quickly!! Really happy with the speed in which you guys are able to release these.
Surprised your rant at the end wasn't about the length between the release and the raw but I guess that doesn't matter anymore and probably won't for people who read this in the future.
I just thought of something.
Why have Setsuna and Kuchinashi received orders to kill Cruz? The last order Arclight gave out way back in Chap 56, said they need to capture and question the remaining resistance members about the second chip. Hatfield said the same thing, right before Blade showed up. He had orders to take Cruz alive. So what changed all of a sudden? I assume Simeon still needs that information, so did Setsuna and Kuchinashi decide to kill him themselves knowing how far he's gotten into the facility, or has Riru realized all 3 girls have been helping Cruz secretly, and this a test?
I just thought of something.
Why have Setsuna and Kuchinashi received orders to kill Cruz? The last order Arclight gave out way back in Chap 56, said they need to capture and question the remaining resistance members about the second chip. Hatfield said the same thing, right before Blade showed up. He had orders to take Cruz alive. So what changed all of a sudden? I assume Simeon still needs that information, so did Setsuna and Kuchinashi decide to kill him themselves knowing how far he's gotten into the facility, or has Riru realized all 3 girls have been helping Cruz secretly, and this a test?
I don't think so....I thinkThat is tied on what blade ,eve and disk know. The thing that made them want to left Yamada behind.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-22, 10:36
It's very likely...
That Yamada is not human anymore but needless, and someone who one day may become Arclight's and Simeon downfall.
It isn't anymore about taking him alive but killing him. I'm pretty sure Saten must be already pulling the strings to not let this happen.
surerman
2012-01-22, 11:17
I read some crazy theory about 12 stigmata owner and Needless hunt along with the 2 Adams and Eve
12 Stigmata (found by Needless hunt) user (including Saten) gonna be new god lead by Strongest one between 2 Adams (Blade or Archlight). The Queen (Eve) gonna bear the King's child. But there's some Plan B hidden, in the tube Disk mentioned and in the Simeon's Lab. It's not Clone Soldiers, but another project called Schildz Child's (Aruka and Cruz)
..well...it's not likely, but if in chapters ahead, some Cruz clone appear, or the Tube Disk mentioned, or the Embryo Archlight keep , revealed, well see
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I lol at Teruyama comment after stabbed by Mio with that spear:heh:
Surprise release! Just uploaded chapter 43. It's not the most interesting chapter imo, but we're getting closer and closer to the good stuff.
I just thought of something.
Why have Setsuna and Kuchinashi received orders to kill Cruz? The last order Arclight gave out way back in Chap 56, said they need to capture and question the remaining resistance members about the second chip. Hatfield said the same thing, right before Blade showed up. He had orders to take Cruz alive. So what changed all of a sudden? I assume Simeon still needs that information, so did Setsuna and Kuchinashi decide to kill him themselves knowing how far he's gotten into the facility, or has Riru realized all 3 girls have been helping Cruz secretly, and this a test?
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My guess is Kuchinashi and Setsuna decided to take care of Yamada themselves. If Yamada get's captured by anyone else there is going to be an investigation about how this rebel member managed to infiltrate simeon's headquarters and that trail leads back to...... something they wouldn't like to happen. They also said they should do it before their work, but if this was an order it'd be work as well, right?
Robotech Master
2012-01-22, 20:11
One thing that's kinda weird...
Blade had a Stigmata before losing Doppleganger right? That makes him one of the Stigmata 12. But he and Arclight, who I presume also has one, are artificial creations. Wouldn't the Stigmata 12 have already been out there, hidden among the Needless who developed, or "picked up" the Needless powers?
So are Arclight and Blade counted among the 12, or are they an unnatural 13th and 14th who bear Stigmata because they are clones of the man who possessed all the Stigmata powers?
K. Shiruto
2012-01-23, 07:27
^Arclight is counted, but Blade not, because he lost the mark after giving Eve the Doppelganger, or put it shortly, Blade ceased being one of the 12.
shadowii
2012-01-23, 09:33
guys can someone send me links for the last two chapters?
I can't remember whether someone else already mentioned it, but the more I look at the person in the background of this picture, the more I'm convinced it must be Seth.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7701/sethp.png
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 06:48
Pm me for you know what :)
Pm me for you know what :)
Already ? that's a good news:)
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 07:32
Boy, I don't know where should I start...
Doesn't that Gyro Gravitation looks exactly like the one Arclight performs in the most recently scanlated chapter? So this is the Eden Seed (but no Stigmata, at least for now).
Also, finally the real Teruyama is back and Mio finally 100% joins Yamada's side.
And Setsuna, I know you told him that the next time you met it wouldn't be in a friendly way but... seriously :eyebrow:
Boy, I don't know where should I start...
Doesn't that Gyro Gravitation looks exactly like the one Arclight performs in the most recently scanlated chapter? So this is the Eden Seed (but no Stigmata, at least for now).
Also, finally the real Teruyama is back and Mio finally 100% joins Yamada's side.
And Setsuna, I know you told him that the next time you met it wouldn't be in a friendly way but... seriously :eyebrow:
Agree O_O
But..I have to congratulate with Yamada for resisted all those blow, I doubt Sestuna was holding back.
And Mio she's great ,I like that she go back to help yamada and she bring back Teruyama with her.:)
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 08:30
Kafka & Uten aren't even frightened by Seth's enhanced strenght, I wonder why are they smirking so joyously.
^Maybe they think she is one of 12 stigma or these ES have some secret that we do not know yet.
A lot of interesting stuff going on in this chapter. Definitely my favorite chapter since some time....yay! Yamada is back! Catfight! Catfight! Lol, well hardly a fight I guess.
One thing which I thought was very interesting is when Mio says she doesn't think Yamada should be killed because "an angel" told her so. And then she says it must have been an angel because who elses hand could it have been which saved Yamada when simeon's building in the black spot got wrecked in the explosion.
Looks like Arclight already has nine of the twelve stigmata and Setsuna notices Yamada has become a little tougher. Funny to see Setsuna thought Teruyama was just a clone who she could command to go away....just to be surprised by a hit in the face :) (I still like you Setsuna, but you had that coming!) And of course a nice pantsu shot of Solva!
There's too many japanese characters I don't recognize so I'm not going to try and dig out anything else, but I already can't wait for the next chapter :)
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 08:58
Nine!!!!? Holy shit, I wanna know so bad who are the other 6.
An angel, uh? No need to say more.
And Yamada got tougher, yet more evidence that he's not human anymore.
Thanks for your work in translating some of the important stuff, Ynot.
A lot of interesting stuff going on in this chapter. Definitely my favorite chapter since some time....yay! Yamada is back! Catfight! Catfight! Lol, well hardly a fight I guess.
One thing which I thought was very interesting is when Mio says she doesn't think Yamada should be killed because "an angel" told her so. And then she says it must have been an angel because who elses hand could it have been which saved Yamada when simeon's building in the black spot got wrecked in the explosion.
Looks like Arclight already has nine of the twelve stigmata and Setsuna notices Yamada has become a little tougher. Funny to see Setsuna thought Teruyama was just a clone who she could command to go away....just to be surprised by a hit in the face :) (I still like you Setsuna, but you had that coming!) And of course a nice pantsu shot of Solva!
There's too many japanese characters I don't recognize so I'm not going to try and dig out anything else, but I already can't wait for the next chapter :)
So I was right yamda does become a little tougher. And and interesting about the angel thing(AnN anyone?)
Ah thanks Adan, but keep in mind I'm just an wannabe translator with little experience so I'm prone to make mistakes, please keep that in mind as you read my translations/interpretations.
Something else... Uten and Kafka are trying to find out whether Seth has a stigmata by forcing it to the surface by attacking her. If she has, they'll send her head to Arclight? It's two against one at the moment since Uten severed Solva's nerves in her arm causing her not to be able to use her magnetic powers.
HEad O_________O why that's damn AA want the head of the 12 stingmata needless?
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 09:16
Damn no, Solva!! Well, she was going to be defeated eventually, I guess, not even her steel wings are a match against the strings that can sever everything.
After this, Mio has defected from Simeon forever, such treachery won't ever be forgiven. Not like she cares anyway.
Damn no, Solva!! Well, she was going to be defeated eventually, I guess, not even her steel wings are a match against the strings that can sever everything.
After this, Mio has defected from Simeon forever, such treachery won't ever be forgiven. Not like she cares anyway.
True.plus she sure use the angel excuse but we know that she really like Yamada .:D
^I think so as well. I'm hoping this "angel" excuse is only the half truth, she's telling her long time friends. That look Kuchinashi gave her afterwords though is great.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 09:46
^Well, isn't it obvious it's actually because she has taken a like in him? The angel excuse is just an add.
Also, why I have the strange feeling Kuchinashi will end up siding with her too...
^Well, isn't it obvious it's actually because she has taken a like in him? The angel excuse is just an add.
Also, why I have the strange feeling Kuchinashi will end up siding with her too...
Agree.. Well maybe beacuse she does that face ?Plus we all know that Kuchinashi like Trap Yamda :heh:
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 10:09
Agree.. Well maybe beacuse she does that face ?Plus we all know that Kuchinashi like Trap Yamda :heh:
Yeah, we know that.
Though that didn't prevent her from beating the crap out of him :twitch:
^True...well maybe she is sadist:heh:
While I do believe Kuchinashi would join Mio, I believe the decision is going to be determined by Setsuna. If she decides to jump ship, Kuchinashi will follow.
^Sestuna seems had totally made up her mind on killing Yamada, thought .:uhoh:
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 10:18
Everyone noticed how from the moment Mio grabs his arm to when they jump, Teruyama has already fully regenerated? Eden Seed sure is something.
^Sestuna seems had totally made up her mind on killing Yamada, thought .:uhoh:
This is true, she's got a tough decision to make after she recovers from that hit Teruyama gave her. I suspect though they won't betray Simeon unless Mio's life is in danger.
@Aden- It is a spear of concentrated Eden seed, so that might have helped. Thing I couldn't help but notice was how many times the spear kept appearing and disappearing out of Teruyama's head :heh:
^ Now next ch we see Aruka back and shit got real .:heh:
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 11:13
Without any doubt this is the final arc before the 2 year time skip that leads to part 2 takes place. All the pieces are set, we now just need Arca to appear like Soji says and we will have pretty much all those who took part in the battle at Simeon HQ now in the City.
I still expect to see Kurumi back, though given the nature of her fragment I dunno if I can expect some new things from her.
Avvesione
2012-01-24, 13:54
Thanks for the new chapter! I'll have more when I get home tonight but glad I was able to read it before heading out.
Leidolfr
2012-01-24, 14:38
Please send me the link of chapter 98 in a private message, thanks :).
Can someone share the link as well? Much appreciated. :)
Did anyone else notice Kafka's clothes were completely fine again after being totaly messed up last time? Now that's odd. Is it simply a mistake or does it have some meaning?
I'm probably reading too much into this, but if Eden seed can heal wounds and regenerate inorganic material it's starting to look a lot like some sort of doppleganger(or the other way around). Is there some sort of link between the two? I'm not ready to come up with elaborate theories yet, but it's something I keep in the back of my mind just in case it's not an inconsistency.
^ So ,I'm not the only one to notice this.
DarkSkiper
2012-01-24, 17:10
^ remember what Madam said about clothes and damage
K. Shiruto
2012-01-24, 17:27
Not just Kafka, but Teruyama as well who just a moment ago was completely nacked.
^Ineed. Now I will laugh if we find out that doppelganger is really this and yamada already have his own ES from Eve that time,like Teruyama from the spear that Mio used.
Well, for Teruyama it could be they just picked up the clothes on the way while searching for Yamada. We don't really know how much time has passed before they found him. All those clones need to wear something right? So there might be a some sort of wardrobe or something for that. But with Kafka there is no way he could've just picked up a new set of clothes.
edit: I just looked and Teruyama's actually asking about clothes on the last page.
Yet another great chapter.
Ynot's covered most of the pertinent details already, but to clear things up a bit:
- Arclight has already found 9 of the 12 stigmata users (he's "broken the seal" on 9 of the 12, whatever you think that might mean). Kafka and Uten are in charge of finding the remaining three. They now believe that Seto has a stigmata because she survived (literally "conquered") the Eden Seed injection, and are trying to force it to appear before they take her to Arclight. Solva is indeed out of the fight for the time being, but I bet she'll find some way to get back into it (I'm pretty disappointed that she was beaten down so easily after her impressive outing in ch97, so this had better not be the end for her in this fight!).
- Mio doesn't really understand it herself, but she believes that the hand that saved Cruz way back at the PF Zero blast was an angel and that it somehow told her that Cruz must be protected. She doesn't want to fight, but she's not willing to let Cruz die. Setsuna's not buying it - she thinks that Mio has simply grown too soft and kind during her recent outings. She commands Teruyama to leave, which would place Mio in an unwinnable two versus one situation and hopefully force her to give up. Of course, this Teruyama isn't a clone, so that doesn't work out like she thought it would.
I think that Setsuna is in full on business mode here, as opposed to when we last saw her in a more casual atmosphere at the school. As a member of Simeon it is her job to kill Yamada for infiltrating the research facility. I have no doubt that she will eventually drop this attitude and ally herself (and Kuchinashi) with Cruz and Mio and friends, but I'm not really sure what will make this happen. I'm looking forward to finding out over the next few months.
Mio and Cruz are damn cute together, so I think (hope?) something more than the angel thing is going on here as well. The angel may be why Mio started protecting Cruz in the first place, and since then she's grown attached to him.
Any bets on who the other two stigmata holders are aside from Seto? Teruyama, maybe, since the spear regenerated him? We know that Saten has one, so perhaps other members of Simeon have them too and are counted under the nine that Arclight has already acquired.
Now back to waiting a full month for a new chapter :<
Most likely Eve is going to be one of the remaining two. I've been wondering if there were going to be any side effects from the Eden Seed Ishiyama exposed her to, and Saten did say 666 thought she had the potential to develop one.
I'm rather interested to know who the 9 members are that Arlight has already found. Assuming that all of the members of Shitenou have them, that would account for 5, the only other people who might qualify is Ishiyama, Strom, and (resurrected?) Hatfield. I suspect though that most of these mysterious members are probably characters we have never seen, and they won't play any part until the second series.
On the subject of Teruyama's clothes, couldn't help but notice the outfit he' s wearing is missing its trademark saying. Guess this was just a spare outfit Simon had laying around in case they cloned him again, and his original clothes burned with the clone. That or Kami just forgot to add them.
Avvesione
2012-01-24, 22:04
It isn't much because of how long the chapter was delayed (and how busy I have been recently) but I finally wrote up a piece on the last chapter of Needless (Chapter 97) and mainly on how awesome Solva was in that chapter. Here it is:
http://avvesione.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/needless-chapter-97/
And for my thoughts on the newest chapter, Chapter 98 (which I'm gonna start writing about later tonight):
Gotta like Seto's new power upgrade. Should be interesting to see what her new powers will allow her to do besides a stronger Gyro Gravitation and changing the gravity so the knives Uten threw went into him rather than to the ground. Wonder if she'll be able to create a mini blackhole or something with her ability now. Should be interesting to see how she deals with Kafka and Uten together with her new powers. Gotta feel bad for Solva but it looks like she won't be figthing soon with her arms completely useless now. Do like the frame where her arms are just dangling there once the nerves have been cut. Poor Solva, glad I wrote that post about her before this.
Really happy to see the PGS fight each other. It's been hinted at for a long time and I'm glad to see it finally come to reality. It will be fun to see these comrades battle each other especially since they're still good friends. I wonder who will fight who considering that Teruyama squared off against Kuchinashi in Third Shelter (doubt it'd happen again but you never know). Wonder how Mio will do against Kuchinashi or Setsuna cuz I think she'd be at a disadvantage toward both. Kuchinashi can use Mio's Power against her (I doubt she'd seriously hurt Mio but she could) and Setsuna's speed would allow her to avoid any of Mio's attacks (considering how long her attacks are sometimes). But on wrong move for both and they'll be down for a while. I do think that Kuchinashi and Setsuna will join Mio/Cruz's side sometime soon but I wonder under what circumstances. I wonder if they'll be forced or if they'll make the decision on their own to desert Simeon. Kinda wondering if this fight will be comical/ecchi, too, considering it's Setsuna, Kuchinashi, Mio, and Teruyama and not Seto, Solva, Uten, and Kafka.
This might be my favorite fight in the whole manga if done properly.
Edit to reply to Skieth and Soji:
Skieth: Good point about the Eden's Seed being injected into Eve during the Eve Story arc. Wonder if that will help awaken her power or anything or maybe help explain why she began to melt, too.
Soji: Should be interesting to see how much Eden's Seed Cruz received during his resurrection.
Great post as always Avvesione, looking forward to your write up of 98.
I can't help but wonder if Setsuna has been exposed to Eden seed. Kefit mentioned she seemed completely different from the last time we saw her. While we knew she was out to kill Cruz, it was still surprising how vicious her attacks were. Initially I thought she was angry because Cruz was still using the outfit she made for him, but since Simeon seems to be passing out Eden seed like it was candy, it could just be a side effect.
Great post as always Avvesione, looking forward to your write up of 98.
I can't help but wonder if Setsuna has been exposed to Eden seed. Kefit mentioned she seemed completely different from the last time we saw her. While we knew she was out to kill Cruz, it was still surprising how vicious her attacks were. Initially I thought she was angry because Cruz was still using the outfit she made for him, but since Simeon seems to be passing out Eden seed like it was candy, it could just be a side effect.
I didn't mean to suggest that Setsuna is acting strange or out of her normal character. She's simply got her mind set on doing her job - something she has been trained to do obediently. Setsuna isn't angry with Cruz at all. She just asks him where Blade is, then reminds him that she said she'd probably have to kill him next time they met. She's got a straight face the entire time. Kind of emotionless really. Business mode, as I said.
To answer your other question, Setsuna mentions on page 18 that her previous attack would have broken Cruz's neck before, and that he's clearly gotten stronger. Then she states that she won't have to hold back. Doesn't seem to me like she's gotten any sort of power boost, since nearly every Needless has super human strength by default, in addition to their power.
Really happy to see the PGS fight each other. It's been hinted at for a long time and I'm glad to see it finally come to reality. It will be fun to see these comrades battle each other especially since they're still good friends. I wonder who will fight who considering that Teruyama squared off against Kuchinashi in Third Shelter (doubt it'd happen again but you never know). Wonder how Mio will do against Kuchinashi or Setsuna cuz I think she'd be at a disadvantage toward both. Kuchinashi can use Mio's Power against her (I doubt she'd seriously hurt Mio but she could) and Setsuna's speed would allow her to avoid any of Mio's attacks (considering how long her attacks are sometimes). But on wrong move for both and they'll be down for a while. I do think that Kuchinashi and Setsuna will join Mio/Cruz's side sometime soon but I wonder under what circumstances. I wonder if they'll be forced or if they'll make the decision on their own to desert Simeon. Kinda wondering if this fight will be comical/ecchi, too, considering it's Setsuna, Kuchinashi, Mio, and Teruyama and not Seto, Solva, Uten, and Kafka.
This might be my favorite fight in the whole manga if done properly.
I suspect this fight will be mostly comic...which will make it like most of the fights in the series, really. Probably about the same tone as Seto, Solva, and Teruyama vs the Shoujo Butai way back when. This also means that shit can hit the fan and get serious at any time. It should be a fun fight to watch unfold either way - certainly more interesting than Seto and Solva vs Kafka and Uten, where most of my entertainment has come from one of Seto of Solva being incredibly badass.
Most likely Eve is going to be one of the remaining two. I've been wondering if there were going to be any side effects from the Eden Seed Ishiyama exposed her to, and Saten did say 666 thought she had the potential to develop one.
I'm rather interested to know who the 9 members are that Arlight has already found. Assuming that all of the members of Shitenou have them, that would account for 5, the only other people who might qualify is Ishiyama, Strom, and (resurrected?) Hatfield. I suspect though that most of these mysterious members are probably characters we have never seen, and they won't play any part until the second series.
Ah yes, Eve is a good bet. Strom too, since there's gotta be some reason or another why he was featured so prominently in the memories arc. I think the three main shoujo butai are possibilities too, given the nature of Seto's current awakening.
You're right though, we might not find out who the others are for a long time. I also suspect that the shadowy image of the 12 from back when the concept was first introduced is at least somewhat misleading
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-25, 04:58
Hello everyone, I registered here just to post in this topic. Needless is one of my favorite series' and I've been looking for a good place to discuss it in for a long time. With that said, I have a theory about Cruz I'd like to share, although others may well have come up with it before now.
It's fairly obvious - at least to me - that Cruz is no longer completely human, if he ever was to begin with. Ever since Arclight's PF Zero blast he's shown increasingly amazing feats of durability. Falling down the cliff into the PGS Academy with barely a scratch, taking hits from Hatfield, brutalized by Mengroze's freaks, and now in the most recent chapter enduring a blow that Setsuna claims should have snapped his neck. There's also the matter of the pill Blade forced him to take. I highly doubt it was just a simple tranquiliser - there were far more effective ways to make Cruz stay in the Black Spot, plus Disk was dead set on making him swallow it for some reason.
My theory is that Cruz is a Needless, perhaps even one who posesses a dormant stigmata. It sounds far-fetched, I know, but the more I think about it the more sense it makes. In the Memories Arc we see Blade transfer Doppelganger to Eve, losing his stigmata in the process. It's fairly safe to say that his stigmata was therefore tied to Doppelganger rather than the Zero fragment. Blade loses his stigmata, but we don't see Eve gain it. Where did it go? It can't simply have disappeared. It must have been transfered to Eve somehow, since Blade doesn't have it.
Perhaps Eve wasn't qualified to posess the stigmata and it became dormant inside her. It's a stretch, but if that is the case it might have passed over to Cruz when Eve used Doppelganger to heal him after Aruka savaged him in the Simeon building. He only starts showing increased durability after that moment.
Just a few thoughts.
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-25, 06:12
Hello to everyone here. Hope everyone has been doing well. Haven't been here in ages......
But I have been keeping up with Needless, just haven't read ch 98 yet but from the comments I read on here can't wait to read it!
Just wondering when Saten will make his reappearance.......... and I'm glad that Teruyama is back; Love Solva's comment in ch. 97 about crushing Kafka like "a spider burger."
Was going to bed but can't sleep after reading the comments about ch98.
I'm so glad that Mio cares about Cruz so much and protects him. Those two really bonded, which to me, is great! I think they make the perfect pair together! I agree with the comments that Setsuna and Kuchinashi will eventually come around. Just seems funny how different Setsuna is now compared to the St. Rose story arc..... but she did mention that if the next time they meet they "might" have orders to kill him. But Hatfield told Cruz after dislocating his arm that Simeon wanted Cruz taken alive. I know Setsuna probably wants Cruz dead to silence him because of the incidents at St. Rose academy, but if Simeon, specifically Arclight still wants Cruz alive, Setsuna would be blatantly ignoring Arclight's orders.
One person whose whereabouts are still unknown is Professor Gido. Anyone have any ideas about that?
BTW, would someone be so kind as to send me a link to ch 98 in private, please?
Someone needs to take out the trash, and by that I mean Uten and Kafka. That fight is really starting to annoy me, only the eden seed regenerating ability is saving their sorry scrub ass.
Mizuno@ Pretty much this. I more interestedMio and teruyama vs kushinasi and sestuna plus because Mio said about the angel coff AnN coff I wonder if we will have more answer about the angel coff AnN coff and Yamda himsefl that seem more stronger now in this battle
Leidolfr
2012-01-25, 09:57
Please send me the link of the chapter 98 in a private message, is that I have wanted to know how that will happen with Seto, Mio, Setsuna, Kuchinachi and Teruyama :)
shadowii
2012-01-25, 11:01
Please send me the link of the chapter 98 in a private message, is that I have wanted to know how that will happen with Seto, Mio, Setsuna, Kuchinachi and Teruyama :)
this, me too please
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-25, 11:29
It's good to finally find a place to discuss Needless.
Also I have a theory about Cruz. It's probably already been put forward but I'll throw it out there anyway.
It seems fairly clear that Cruz is not entirely human. He's shown incredible feats of durability over the last few arcs - falling down a cliff into the PGS Academy, taking blows from Mengroze's monsters, and in the most recent arc he endures a blow that Setsuna claims should have broken his neck. Then there's the whole 'climbing up a sheer wall' thing he did a few chapters ago, and ANn's apparent interest in him.
There are a number of reasons I can think of for this. One is that Cruz used to be a normal human but recently became a Needless. We know it's possible for humans to become a Needless - ingesting Eden Seeds can do it, though it often results in death. Another is that Cruz was always a Needless and is currently in the process of awakening to his powers. We know this is possible as well - in the same scene with Ishiyama, Saten and the Prime Minister, Saten says that to a Needless small amounts of Eden Seeds are nothing, and occasionally even helps them to awaken. Cruz's sister is a powerful missing link Needless, and I always thought it was odd that she was a Needless and he wasn't despite presumably having the same parents.
In either case, Eden Seeds are required. And it just so happens that Cruz has been exposed to Eden Seeds in the past. I am of course refering to Arclight's PF Zero blast after his fight with Blade, where he uses Eden Seed release to power up the blast. I don't think it's a coincidence that Cruz begins showing superhuman feats only after this event.
Deathscyther
2012-01-25, 15:35
I think only Saten knows what Cruz really is. He's been watching Cruz from the beginning. Just what does he know?
Cruz seems to be getting stronger even since he 'died' though. Maybe he got something from Eve at that time? Maybe a stigmata which is developping at the moment. Eve got Blade's stigmata after he gave her his doppelganger and Eve could have transferred it to Cruz when she was resurrecting him.
I think that both Eve and Pfzero are the cause of Yamada change. How he suriveve a them ...that's something that we don't know for now. But I agree with you Deathscyther I think that really Saten is the only one to know the true.And maybe ..Disk ,Blade and Eve but just lately. More or less when they choice to don't bring Yamada with them.
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-25, 16:00
Cruz seems to be getting stronger even since he 'died' though. Maybe he got from Eve at that time? Maybe a stigmata which is developping at the moment. Eve got Blade's stigmata after he gave her his doppelganger and Eve could have transferred it to Cruz when she was resurrecting him.
That's another possibility, one that many people in this thread appear to favor.
One thing always struck me as odd, though. When Saten and Ishiyama confront Blade and co. about saving Eve, they explain how Eden Seeds are a bilogical weapons that are fatal to normal humans, and that everyone present at Arclight's PF Zero blast were showered with them.
So then, what about Cruz? It's conspicuous how nobody adresses the fact that he too must have been showered by Eden Seeds. If Saten and Ishiyama are being truthful then either he's one of the extremely rare cases where humans adapt to the Eden Seeds and become Needless, or he already was one beforehand and the blast awakened his powers.
Or he was human up until Eve healed him, which may or may not have given him Blade's stigmata. Regardless of what he used to be, I highly doubt Cruz is human now.
ShadowsAsgard@ Yeah and spoiler ch 98Really give us another clue. Sestuna said clear it that her blow should have to break his neck...but they dont. And I don't think Sestuna is someone that made mistake like this.
She definitely aimed for the kill. I can't sympathize with her character, doesn't she have any compassion after what happened in the girls academy? Just a doll of Simeon, doing whatever they tell her to do.
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-25, 18:07
I'll echo the sentiment that killing Cruz seems really bizarre. It can't be on Simeon's orders, because in chapter 56 Arclight explicitly tells his subordinates to capture and interrogate all surviving members of the resistance. He wants them taken alive. Unless it's the 666 Council and/or Saten going behind Arclight's back again, which is entirely possible from what we've seen of them.
I'll echo the sentiment that killing Cruz seems really bizarre. It can't be on Simeon's orders, because in chapter 56 Arclight explicitly tells his subordinates to capture and interrogate all surviving members of the resistance. He wants them taken alive. Unless it's the 666 Council and/or Saten going behind Arclight's back again, which is entirely possible from what we've seen of them.
Yeah but why Saten would want Cruz die?He cleary want him alive.
Leidolfr
2012-01-25, 18:11
You all know the content of chapter 98 except myself, if you can not send, tell me about the spoiler of the 98 Chapter please is to see you speak of chapter 98 I have wanted to know how that happens with Blade and company, and sorry that I repeat more than a grated disk :D, but I'm nervous to know that happens in chapter 98 :).
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-25, 18:20
Yeah but why Saten would want Cruz die?He cleary want him alive.
It's currently impossible to work out what Saten's game is. It's clearly not the same as Ishiyama and the 666 Council - if it was, he'd have told him that the Blackout Invoke didn't fail after all. And it clearly isn't the same as Arclight's, or he would have captured Cruz when he had the chance.
All in all, it's unlikely he gave the order but I don't think he can be completely excluded.
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-25, 20:31
Saten has ulterior motives for sure; maybe they will be revealed in the coming chapters. He definitely knows more than probably even Arclight. As ShadowsAsgard stated it is damn near impossible to guess Saten's motives. The only theory I have is he wants to take Arclight's place, but that's even sketchy.
I agree also and it is clearly evident from past events that Cruz is more than human now. And remember the light that was placed on his leg by AnN during his time in Blade's memories to light the so called "blackspots" of his memory.
I don't think Saten or Arclight ordered Cruz killed or do they know as of yet what is occurring currently inside, unless they knew beforehand and are waiting for the right time to appear. Perhaps they do know and are simply observing Cruz in a battle situation.
Why Cruz survived the PF Zero explosion I thought was the "angel" protecting him according to what Mio saw. But it may have been more than that also.
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-25, 20:34
She definitely aimed for the kill. I can't sympathize with her character, doesn't she have any compassion after what happened in the girls academy? Just a doll of Simeon, doing whatever they tell her to do.
I have to agree. It's hard to sympathize with Setsuna when she is so unfeeling and cold like this. I guess duty to Simeon trumps feelings of friendship. Just look at what Aruka did during her unmasking in the Third Shelter to poor Cruz, and she was his sister.
Robotech Master
2012-01-25, 23:29
Setsuna has always been the most devoted "villain" among the killer girls power trio. She was nice to him at the academy, but was very clear that they'd be enemies the next time they met. I don't think the development of her character has reached a stage where we're supposed to sympathize with her--I mean we don't even known a whole lot about her backstory and desires.
She's fricken hot though.
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-25, 23:58
Setsuna has always been the most devoted "villain" among the killer girls power trio. She was nice to him at the academy, but was very clear that they'd be enemies the next time they met. I don't think the development of her character has reached a stage where we're supposed to sympathize with her--I mean we don't even known a whole lot about her backstory and desires.
She's fricken hot though.
All good points, especially the last one. I guess a better term for Setsuna is strong willed. It would be interesting though to have a separate arc describing the origins of the three killer girls and how they met each other, though that is more likely not going to happen.
Avvesione
2012-01-26, 02:45
Yeah, judging from how she's always being beaten up (like the punch in this chapter) I don't think we're supposed to sympathize with her character... but I still do.
I think what we're seeing is how Setsuna always acts toward her enemies. And Cruz is still an enemy. In battle, she's always been quite arrogant, authoritative, and efficient. She has a mission and will do what it takes to get it done. Plus this time around she isn't belittling or humiliating Cruz like she did in the Third Shelter and she's not toying with him or torturing him either. And beneath the surface, we've seen Setsuna is sweet, compassionate, and caring toward Kuchinashi and Mio. Setsuna is very endearing toward those two and puts them above all else. She knew the current mission would trouble Mio, so she gave her the option to back down. And the only reason she ever got to know Cruz and gave him a chance during St. Rose was only because he knew how Mio was doing after PF Blast. You could see how visibly worried she was over Mio and still is to this chapter.
As for the murder order, it doesn't make sense to me either. The only thing I can think of is that Mio told Setsuna about everything that happened and she thought it'd be best to kill him before anyone else knew she defected and joined the enemy. She probably thinks she can defend Mio by killing Cruz.
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-26, 03:08
As for the murder order, it doesn't make sense to me either. The only thing I can think of is that Mio told Setsuna about everything that happened and she thought it'd be best to kill him before anyone else knew she defected and joined the enemy. She probably thinks she can defend Mio by killing Cruz.
Setsuna acting on her own seems to be the most likely explanation. As a PGS member she would almost certainly know about Arclight's orders to take the resistance members alive. The only reason I can think of for her to go against those orders would be to protect Mio from the potential fallout if it became known she had travelled with Cruz.
this, me too please
i want the link too please.
Leidolfr
2012-01-26, 04:03
i want the link too please.
I too, please, tell you if in case you have not read my previous comment and sorry now I put heavy (but what there :D), but is that seeing tell you what happens to Setsuna with mine, I most want to see it, want to know if Setsuna will kill or not kill cross, and above all want to see the emergence of her hateful sister Aruka, part of another character in anime and manga, is the most hate :frustrated:.
But if one is translating the 98 chapter in english, then I do not mind waiting a little more :).
Avvesione
2012-01-26, 04:10
Setsuna acting on her own seems to be the most likely explanation. As a PGS member she would almost certainly know about Arclight's orders to take the resistance members alive. The only reason I can think of for her to go against those orders would be to protect Mio from the potential fallout if it became known she had travelled with Cruz.
I think that's what Setsuna is doing right now. She knows that when it is discovered that Mio was with Cruz this whole time and actually helped him fight against Simeon, she'll receive severe punishment. And we know Setsuna will do anything to prevent that. Killing Cruz before that happens is a much cheaper price to pay than Mio receiving punishment.
As for the upcoming battle, I have a theory about what will happen and how Kuchinashi and Setsuna will join Cruz's side but I'll want to wait and see this chapter's full translation first before posting it.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-26, 04:44
In all honestity, I can't see Setsuna defecting from Simeon anytime soon, she's too loyal, and let's not forget she's in love with Arclight too, same Kuchinashi likes Riru.
In all honestity, I can't see Setsuna defecting from Simeon anytime soon, she's too loyal, and let's not forget she's in love with Arclight too, same Kuchinashi likes Riru.
True ,but I still find interesting what Sestuna said about Cruz in ch 98.
Avvesione
2012-01-26, 05:12
The one idea I have about Setsuna and Kuchinashi joining is if ANn makes an appearance.
I figure what will happen is Setsuna and Kuchinashi will be more powerful than the last time we saw them (maybe not Stigmata strong but stronger than St. Rose) and overwhelm Teruyama and Mio. At that point, with both out of the battle, I can see Setsuna going to finish off Cruz but being stopped similar to Aruka's second murder attempt in Third Shelter. After that, perhaps ANn manifests herself (as the angel Mio mentioned this chapter) and helps convince Setsuna and Kuchinashi to join Cruz's side.
Just my thoughts. I do want to see the translations before committing to this theory but with Mio mentioning the angel now (she is the only one besides Cruz to see ANn, not even Saten or Blade saw her in Eve Story) it would make sense to see ANn again. And I'm sure ANn would be enough to convince Setsuna and Kuchinashi to switch sides.
Avvesione@ If this happen maybe we will finally find out why AnN protects Cruz and seem interested in him.And Yeah ,I think see would be enough to convince Setsuna and Kuchinashi to switch sides.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-26, 05:26
Yeah, but like most of our theories, it probably won't happen :heh:
Avvesione
2012-01-26, 05:34
Yeah, but like most of our theories, it probably won't happen :heh:
My "Mio the Spy" theory can now be laid to rest with this chapter. :(
Avvesione@ Are you not happy with this?
Setsuna gained a lot of points with me when she rescued her colleague from the bomb during the St. Rose arc. As far as I am concerned she stopped being a villain of any kind at that point. However, she still maintains ties to Simeon, and those need to be dealt with because as far as this series is concerned Simeon is villainous to its very core and that's not going to change. The current conflict is likely to take care of this issue.
I think that Setsuna's affection for Arclight is an unimportant throw away issue. Seriously, when was the last time it was mentioned or demonstrated in any way? Kuchinashi's affection for Riru, and Riru's connections with the shoujo butai in general, is a much more pertinent issue in my mind. My own little theory is that Riru will attempt to personally kill the girls for their disloyalty, which will be enough to make the girls see reality and fully defect to Cruz and Blade's side. Really, I'd love nothing more than to see a battle consisting of a powered up shoujo butai vs Riru.
Of course, I expect actual developments to be wackier than I can possibly imagine.
Setsuna acting on her own seems to be the most likely explanation. As a PGS member she would almost certainly know about Arclight's orders to take the resistance members alive. The only reason I can think of for her to go against those orders would be to protect Mio from the potential fallout if it became known she had travelled with Cruz.
Protecting Mio is a good enough reason by itself, but don't forget Setsuna has some skin of her own in this game. After all, She helped Yamada in the Rose academy. She might even want to protect the Black madam who allowed Yamada to graduate. All in all there's a lot of people who can get into trouble if Yamada gets captured and questioned.
My "Mio the Spy" theory can now be laid to rest with this chapter. :(
Hmmm, perhaps not as a spy but it does look like she was "inspired" by someone else to protect/travel with Yamada. Originally we thought Saten might have ordered her to do so, but this way I'd say we weren't 100% wrong. Just 99% :)
I think the only reason Kuchinashi and Setsuna will switch sides if they're ordered to kill Mio or when Mio is in danger of getting killed by someone of Simeon. Mio's main priority is getting Yamada to Blade, not hurt or kill her friends, so she might even try to escape from this fight when given the chance. But I don't think Teruyama is the kind of person to walk away like that so that might be a problem.
Also: Imai Kami doesn't shy away from classic plot twists so I'm wondering if we'll see a Teruyama vs Teruyama fight. Not as a chapter filling event but just something on the background or at least some sort of joke about it.
Hmmm, perhaps not as a spy but it does look like she was "inspired" by someone else to protect/travel with Yamada. Originally we thought Saten might have ordered her to do so, but this way I'd say we weren't 100% wrong. Just 99%
True,but she should know better that Yamada is not someone who would betray someone that help him.But I can see what you mean.
I think the only reason Kuchinashi and Setsuna will switch sides if they're ordered to kill Mio or when Mio is in danger of getting killed by someone of Simeon. Mio's main priority is getting Yamada to Blade, not hurt or kill her friends, so she might even try to escape from this fight when given the chance. But I don't think Teruyama is the kind of person to walk away like that so that might be a problem.
Also: Imai Kami doesn't shy away from classic plot twists so I'm wondering if we'll see a Teruyama vs Teruyama fight. Not as a chapter filling event but just something on the background or at least some sort of joke about it.
I'm in complete agreement with you Ynot. If Mio is in danger, this is the only way logical way I see Setsuna, and Kuchinashi joining Cruz's side. As Avvesione mentioned the only reason she initially helped Cruz at Saint Rose, was to find out what had happened to Mio. She fully believes in what Arclight and Simeon stands for, so it's hard to see any other reason she would leave them.
This being said, its very interesting to see the situation the 3 girls now find themselves. Remember what happened the very first time these three were introduced. They themselves said that traitors need to be punished and killed Nanami and Missaki. Now we have Mio who has completely betrayed Simeon to save Cruz, and Setsuna and Kuchinashi who may have ignored the standing orders of Arclight to capture Cruz alive. If this is the case, they have gone full circle, and I will be very surprised if we don't see Nanami, Misaki, and Kurumi within the next two chapters.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-26, 11:33
While reading the chapter, after Setsuna appeared behind Yamada, I instantly was reminded of her warning to him at St. Rose and thought, "oh, shit!".
Because let's be honest, it's the first thing that comes to your mind once she finally finds him, more when we're talking about someone who does her job.
While reading the chapter, after Setsuna appeared behind Yamada, I instantly was reminded of her warning to him at St. Rose and thought, "oh, shit!".
Because let's be honest, it's the first thing that comes to your mind once she finally finds him, more when we're talking about someone who does her job.
Why I get the felling that Yamada will die again (or almost die) and Mio will use that spear on Yamda as well?:uhoh:
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-26, 12:18
Yeah, judging from how she's always being beaten up (like the punch in this chapter) I don't think we're supposed to sympathize with her character... but I still do.
I think what we're seeing is how Setsuna always acts toward her enemies. And Cruz is still an enemy. In battle, she's always been quite arrogant, authoritative, and efficient. She has a mission and will do what it takes to get it done. Plus this time around she isn't belittling or humiliating Cruz like she did in the Third Shelter and she's not toying with him or torturing him either. And beneath the surface, we've seen Setsuna is sweet, compassionate, and caring toward Kuchinashi and Mio. Setsuna is very endearing toward those two and puts them above all else. She knew the current mission would trouble Mio, so she gave her the option to back down. And the only reason she ever got to know Cruz and gave him a chance during St. Rose was only because he knew how Mio was doing after PF Blast. You could see how visibly worried she was over Mio and still is to this chapter.
As for the murder order, it doesn't make sense to me either. The only thing I can think of is that Mio told Setsuna about everything that happened and she thought it'd be best to kill him before anyone else knew she defected and joined the enemy. She probably thinks she can defend Mio by killing Cruz.
Yes, that's true. She shows no mercy for her enemies.
The problem with Setsuna's possible reasoning for killing Cruz is weird because mudering him won't erase the fact that Mio (and herself) did help Cruz and that somehow or someway Arclight may find out anyway. Besides I don't think Mio defecting to Cruz's side is that big of a deal to Arclight. Maybe to Riru, but not Arclight, the man that views himself as a god. To him it's just one more speck of dust in his way to blow away.
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-26, 12:26
Protecting Mio is a good enough reason by itself, but don't forget Setsuna has some skin of her own in this game. After all, She helped Yamada in the Rose academy. She might even want to protect the Black madam who allowed Yamada to graduate. All in all there's a lot of people who can get into trouble if Yamada gets captured and questioned.
Hmmm, perhaps not as a spy but it does look like she was "inspired" by someone else to protect/travel with Yamada. Originally we thought Saten might have ordered her to do so, but this way I'd say we weren't 100% wrong. Just 99% :)
I think the only reason Kuchinashi and Setsuna will switch sides if they're ordered to kill Mio or when Mio is in danger of getting killed by someone of Simeon. Mio's main priority is getting Yamada to Blade, not hurt or kill her friends, so she might even try to escape from this fight when given the chance. But I don't think Teruyama is the kind of person to walk away like that so that might be a problem.
Also: Imai Kami doesn't shy away from classic plot twists so I'm wondering if we'll see a Teruyama vs Teruyama fight. Not as a chapter filling event but just something on the background or at least some sort of joke about it.
That's right. She also assisted Cruz at St. Rose. And I forgot about the Black Madam; she could also feel some of the heat. But I still get the feeling Arclight is too wrapped up with his god quest to be worried about such trivialities especially since he has 9 out of 12 of the Stigmata.
I agree with you. As mentioned in the earlier posts and something I overlooked, the only reason Setsuna and Kuchinashi helped Cruz in the St Rose arc is because of Mio. So the only reason they'd defect now would be if Arclight ordered Mio killed.
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-26, 12:31
While reading the chapter, after Setsuna appeared behind Yamada, I instantly was reminded of her warning to him at St. Rose and thought, "oh, shit!".
Because let's be honest, it's the first thing that comes to your mind once she finally finds him, more when we're talking about someone who does her job.
Yes. This brings me back to that ominous warning too. I just wonder who else will intervene if Cruz is about to be killed again.
needless_r+vfan
2012-01-26, 12:38
Setsuna gained a lot of points with me when she rescued her colleague from the bomb during the St. Rose arc. As far as I am concerned she stopped being a villain of any kind at that point. However, she still maintains ties to Simeon, and those need to be dealt with because as far as this series is concerned Simeon is villainous to its very core and that's not going to change. The current conflict is likely to take care of this issue.
I think that Setsuna's affection for Arclight is an unimportant throw away issue. Seriously, when was the last time it was mentioned or demonstrated in any way? Kuchinashi's affection for Riru, and Riru's connections with the shoujo butai in general, is a much more pertinent issue in my mind. My own little theory is that Riru will attempt to personally kill the girls for their disloyalty, which will be enough to make the girls see reality and fully defect to Cruz and Blade's side. Really, I'd love nothing more than to see a battle consisting of a powered up shoujo butai vs Riru.
Of course, I expect actual developments to be wackier than I can possibly imagine.
Never thought about that. That's a very relative and excellent point. I can see Riru getting angry and wanting to kill the girls for their "treachery" towards Simeon, just not Arclight. I'd like to see Riru in battle too. She seems to not have much appearance lately if at all.
Guardian Enzo
2012-01-26, 12:50
i want the link too please.
I would love the link as well, when you have a moment. Thanks.
K. Shiruto
2012-01-26, 15:29
The last thing Yamada needs now is to meet with his sister again, that would be overkill.
But considering Simeon's branch is in the City, all the members of the Shitenou are there for sure, so Arca making her entrance is just a matter of time.
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-26, 15:37
Arca making her entrance is just a matter of time.
Speaking of which, Arca is another mysterious character. As far as I'm aware we still don't know why she joined Simeon, or why she decided to help Cruz out by blasting a hole in Hatfield/Strom's ice wall. She also makes a rather odd comment in chapter 71 after blasting the Simeon dude who was with her.
Arca: This is the chance I'll give you. I won't do something like this again. If you're a man...then show me you can survive!
Considering the number of players in the field right now I'd say the chances of a reunion are pretty high.
Avvesione
2012-01-26, 19:36
Avvesione@ Are you not happy with this?
Idk, I kinda wanted Mio to show off some intelligence and manipulation as a villain but then with how her relationship with Cruz developed, it'd be real harsh if she turned out to be a spy. I do actually enjoy them together a lot since they do make a cute team but I wouldn't mind it if we saw Mio outsmart Cruz for half the manga.
Setsuna gained a lot of points with me when she rescued her colleague from the bomb during the St. Rose arc. As far as I am concerned she stopped being a villain of any kind at that point. However, she still maintains ties to Simeon, and those need to be dealt with because as far as this series is concerned Simeon is villainous to its very core and that's not going to change. The current conflict is likely to take care of this issue.
I think that Setsuna's affection for Arclight is an unimportant throw away issue. Seriously, when was the last time it was mentioned or demonstrated in any way? Kuchinashi's affection for Riru, and Riru's connections with the shoujo butai in general, is a much more pertinent issue in my mind. My own little theory is that Riru will attempt to personally kill the girls for their disloyalty, which will be enough to make the girls see reality and fully defect to Cruz and Blade's side. Really, I'd love nothing more than to see a battle consisting of a powered up shoujo butai vs Riru.
Of course, I expect actual developments to be wackier than I can possibly imagine.
I always thought we'd see the PGS fight Nanami, Misaki, and Kurumi sometime in this chapter with all the clones but, to be honest, I'd rather see them take on Riru. None of their fragments match up well against Psychokinesis (but then again, who's does?) but it'd be a fight that would really flesh out their characters and show that they're more than just Simeon assassins. We have seen more to Mio and Setsuna thanks to the second half of the manga when they weren't following Simeon orders.
Protecting Mio is a good enough reason by itself, but don't forget Setsuna has some skin of her own in this game. After all, She helped Yamada in the Rose academy. She might even want to protect the Black madam who allowed Yamada to graduate. All in all there's a lot of people who can get into trouble if Yamada gets captured and questioned.
I think the only reason Kuchinashi and Setsuna will switch sides if they're ordered to kill Mio or when Mio is in danger of getting killed by someone of Simeon. Mio's main priority is getting Yamada to Blade, not hurt or kill her friends, so she might even try to escape from this fight when given the chance. But I don't think Teruyama is the kind of person to walk away like that so that might be a problem.
All good points you mentioned here. Guess we'll find out exactly what's going on in the next chapter because I'm sure Mio will ask Setsuna why she's going after Cruz all of a sudden.
This being said, its very interesting to see the situation the 3 girls now find themselves. Remember what happened the very first time these three were introduced. They themselves said that traitors need to be punished and killed Nanami and Missaki. Now we have Mio who has completely betrayed Simeon to save Cruz, and Setsuna and Kuchinashi who may have ignored the standing orders of Arclight to capture Cruz alive. If this is the case, they have gone full circle, and I will be very surprised if we don't see Nanami, Misaki, and Kurumi within the next two chapters.
After seeing Kafka and Uten back thanks to the cloning, I figured we'd see Nanami, Misaki, and Kurumi back sometime and go against Setsuna, Kuchinashi, and Mio but we'll need to see Setsuna and Kuchinashi switch sides first before that can ever happen.
One thing I could see after reading all these posts is that Nanami, Misaki, and Kurumi would target Mio since she's clearly a traitor now and try to kill her which would prompt Setsuna and Kuchinashi to defend Mio. That would be enough for the other girls to assume they are also traitors and fight them as well. And I guess if there's a new clone of Teruyama, too, Teruyama can fight himself in the background like Ynot suggested.
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Mio and Cruz are my favorite characters of the series, so I'm really glad she never betrayed him. There's some evidence that implys she's become as important a friend to him as Blade and Eve. If this is true, and she had betrayed him, think what that would have done to him mentality. When Arca betrayed him, it nearly killed him (literally), I hate to think what he would have been like after a second close betrayal.
As for Nanami, Misaki, and Kurumi, I don't think they would limit themselves to just attacking Mio right off the bat. Nanami and Misaki would be looking for any excuse to attack all three girls, after all their the one's who killed them in the first place. Kurumi would join in as well, especially if she found out that Cruz was their. He was the primary cause of her death, and I'm sure she would be eager for some payback. She might even hold Setsuna and the others responsible as well, seeing as they failed to keep her safe. Since Teruyama is present as well, he would be the perfect puppet for her to control. His clone was already under Simeon control, and it would be ironic if he was to be placed back under Simeon control so soon after coming back to life.
As a side note, I believe someone mentioned that the next chapter will have a color page, is this correct or will that happen on chapter 100.
Avvesione
2012-01-27, 03:54
Finished my post on Needless 98, hope you all enjoy it!
http://avvesione.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/needless-chapter-98/
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You know, now that you mention it, I would put Mio as third most important to Cruz after Blade and Eve. She's spent more time with her than anyone else on his side (minus Blade and close to Eve) and she's protected him through numerous fights. If she had betrayed him, it would've absolutely destroyed Cruz. Like you mentioned, he's one of your favorites so it'd be awful for you, but I'd love to see how Cruz responds, see how he deals with something so devastating. Plus, I think it'd be funny if the stupidest character in the manga outsmarts the smartest. But it looks like that won't be happening at all, so that theory can be laid to rest.
Good point about the three girls not waiting to attack Setsuna and Kuchinashi. Didn't think about that but that's a realistic possibility. And yes, the next chapter will have a color spread (2 pages) and the first page be colored. Should be fun.
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Also was thinking, now that Teruyama was stabbed by Uten's spear and received Eden's Seeds, I wonder how much more powerful his Flame fragment will be. Should be interesting to see if he can pull off a Vulcan Shock Little Boy now. He was able to dominate Kuchinashi in the Third Shelter since his Flame would burn her Fragrence but I wonder if she'll be stronger to overcome that disadvantage or if Setsuna will take him on.
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-27, 04:02
Also was thinking, now that Teruyama was stabbed by Uten's spear and received Eden's Seeds, I wonder how much more powerful his Flame fragment will be. Should be interesting to see if he can pull off a Vulcan Shock Little Boy now. He was able to dominate Kuchinashi in the Third Shelter since his Flame would burn her Fragrence but I wonder if she'll be stronger to overcome that disadvantage or if Setsuna will take him on.
Teruyama could already use Vulcan Shock Little Boy - he uses it in chapter 50 against Arclight's monstrous form. The real question is whether he'll be strong enough to use Fat Man.
Avvesione
2012-01-27, 04:38
Teruyama could already use Vulcan Shock Little Boy - he uses it in chapter 50 against Arclight's monstrous form. The real question is whether he'll be strong enough to use Fat Man.
True. It was puny then compared to Blade's, so he should be about that level now, at least. You can see how powerful he is now after sending Setsuna across the room with a straightforward punch. If he can't do Fat Man, though, I wonder if there'll be something between the two that's a 'medium' powered Flame attack or something.
You know, now that you mention it, I would put Mio as third most important to Cruz after Blade and Eve. She's spent more time with her than anyone else on his side (minus Blade and close to Eve) and she's protected him through numerous fights. If she had betrayed him, it would've absolutely destroyed Cruz.
Agree,That's why I'm glad that Mio is on his side.
True. It was puny then compared to Blade's, so he should be about that level now, at least. You can see how powerful he is now after sending Setsuna across the room with a straightforward punch. If he can't do Fat Man, though, I wonder if there'll be something between the two that's a 'medium' powered Flame attack or something.
I think there is. If not ...I think he can always made something that he can use (at least I think)
surerman
2012-01-27, 05:48
I think there is. If not ...I think I can always made something that I can use (at least I think)
umm....like Dynamite?:heh: he can lit it without lighter:D
Boy! Teru-baka pyro-kinesis ability will sell a high value in our society. Especially in Bombing Department:rolleyes:
surerman@ I think would be a great job for him :p
Also was thinking, now that Teruyama was stabbed by Uten's spear and received Eden's Seeds, I wonder how much more powerful his Flame fragment will be. Should be interesting to see if he can pull off a Vulcan Shock Little Boy now. He was able to dominate Kuchinashi in the Third Shelter since his Flame would burn her Fragrence but I wonder if she'll be stronger to overcome that disadvantage or if Setsuna will take him on.
Another nice chapter write up Avvesione.
I can't help but wonder if Mio has the resolve to actually fight Setsuna and Kuchinashi. She says she won't allow Cruz to be killed, but these are her longtime friends. I can see her acting more as a shield for Cruz, rather then trying to actively trying to fight back. Kuchinashi might try to remove her from the fight by using Maiden Restriction but the narrow corridor their fighting in might prove to be a hindrance. Like you said Teruyama can burn her Fragrance, and Setsuna's high speed attacks generally cause her to attack in a Strait line. This weakness was pointed out by Rin, back at Saint Rose, and knowing Cruz it isn't something he's likely to forget.So this fight might just turn out to be Setsuna and Kuchinashi vs the (now) unkillable flame needless Momiji Teruyama:D
I still think that Uten spear will play a role in this.on Yamada body thougth ,the only thing I wonder is ...what effect will have on yamada?
surerman
2012-01-27, 11:34
I still think that Uten spear will play a role in this.on Yamada body thougth ,the only thing I wonder is ...what effect will have on yamada?
he'll become a cute cocoon and gave birth to AnN:heh: already dressed and sexy
I figure what will happen is Setsuna and Kuchinashi will be more powerful than the last time we saw them (maybe not Stigmata strong but stronger than St. Rose) and overwhelm Teruyama and Mio. At that point, with both out of the battle, I can see Setsuna going to finish off Cruz but being stopped similar to Aruka's second murder attempt in Third Shelter. After that, perhaps ANn manifests herself (as the angel Mio mentioned this chapter) and helps convince Setsuna and Kuchinashi to join Cruz's side.
I can't remember what my position was on the theory that it was ANn who stopped Arca from killing Cruz (again), but having just - finally - read the translated version, I don't think we can rule out the possible that Arclight did it.
Of course, it would be interesting if ANn did make an appearance, but I'm not sure it would be necessary. And a deus ex machina at this point would be a bit boring, wouldn't it? I mean, compared with the mileage to be had from the PGS fighting each other.
Wanted to say more, but I'm out of time. Back tomorrow...
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-27, 12:50
I can't remember what my position was on the theory that it was ANn who stopped Arca from killing Cruz (again), but having just - finally - read the translated version, I don't think we can rule out the possible that Arclight did it.
I also think Arclight did it. Arca mentions that it wasn't Gravity or Magnetism, but that doesn't exclude the other power that we've seen able to manipulate objects and people - Psychokinesis, which Arclight must posess. Arca also thinks that it must be 'him', and Arclight appears right after she thinks that.
That and the lack of a hand picture, which we see every other time ANn helps Cruz (PF Zero blast, Blackout Invoke memory world) leads me to believe it was Arclight. As for why Arclight stopped her, that's another matter. Maybe he was simply covering his bases in case the datachip didn't reveal everything, or maybe it was just his God complex and ego thinking that Cruz couldn't be a threat to him.
ShadowsAsgard@Who know , maybe he know something that we dont? Afterall he was sure (or almost sure) that Yamada was alive after the PFzero.
ShadowsAsgard
2012-01-27, 13:36
ShadowsAsgard@Who know , maybe he know something that we dont? Afterall he was sure (or almost sure) that Yamada was alive after the PFzero.
His exact words were "That boy Cruz may be alive somewhere as well." It sounds like Arclight is just considering every possibility, but who knows.
ShadowsAsgard@ And that's the strange thing ,from what I recall he said to blade that * I hope at least a fraction of your body remains * Whic mean that a normal boy don't should have the small chance to survive a that. So why AA even considering this? If for him Cruz should have be a normal human and not a Needless?
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