Macross - Q & A

[monir]

This thread is for those of you with questions about the Macross range of anime or manga. There are many questions that don't need a whole thread to discuss them. A simple practical answer straight from the anime or manga without any speculation can solve these connundrums. If someone has such a question about Macross which can be solved by answering with facts from an official source, then please ask that question here.

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[Sephi]

I'll be the first one to ask a question than :D

I have never saw a single episode of Macross. I only heard of it. And it seems like it's quite well known amongst anime viewers so i was thinking of giving it a try. I was thinking of watching this season Macross frontier as my first one.

Is Macross frontier a story on it's own or is it a prequel or sequel of something, and does it require any knowledge of the previous Macross series?

Thanks in advance :)

[Westlo]

Macross Frontier is set after Macross 7 but like every other Macross made you don't need to have watched any previous series to enjoy it. You will probably get more out of it if you have seen all the prior series but you can start off with Frontier just fine, make sure to check out the previous series if you enjoy Frontier!

[Sephi]

Thanks. I will give Macross Frontier a try :)

[Onizuka-GTO]

Quick info. :p

Macross Universe Timeline

Macross Zero (UN Unification Wars): 1999-2008
Macross (SPACE WAR I): 2012
Macross Flashback 2012: 2012
Macross Plus (Sharon Apple Crisis): 2040
Macross 7 (Varauta War): 2045
Macross 7 Encore: 2045
Macross 7 Movie: 2045
Macross 7 Dynamite (Zola Incident): 2047
Macross Frontier: 2059


What are Zentradi/Meltran?

They are genetically designed race for combat for the ancient civilization called Protoculture.

The name refers collectively to the male gender of this race. Females are collectively called Meltran, who are similar, but have long hair and feminine features.
Anatomy identical to human, in two arms, two legs, one head, two nipples and respective male and female sexual organs.

The original characteristic is green skin and an average height of 1354cm.

Typically Zentradi/Meltran have the following genetic traits that are consistence in the Macross universe.

Skin Colour Hair Colour Eye Colour
Dark purple Blue Blue
Light purple Green Brown
Light blue Purple Green
Grey Black
Pink (Caucasian) Brown
Green Red



Due to the psychological affect of culture, specifically Music on Zentradi/Meltran who have been indoctrinated to avoid at all cost.
Eventually weaken the psychological hold Boddole Zer,The Supreme Commander of a Protoculture Fleet, had on the command structure.

Sub-Commander Vrlitwhai Kridanik was accused of "contaminations" and was sentence to death, was forced to defect to Humanity cause, seizing a portion of the Fleet to turn on their allies, the genocide of Mankind was averted by a joint alliance which ensure the survival of the remain humans on the SDF-1 gunship. ( that had crash landed on earth, which was a remnants ship of the Protodeviln subservient of the Protoculture Military force.). Narrowly escaping a surprise attack by the first wave of Zentradi skirmish/recon they escaped the Earth surface, only to encounter the secondary wave of attackers.
In desperation they first testing of the "Fold" engine, an faster then light interstellar drive system malfunction, hyper-jumping them to the orbit of Jupiter, thus avoided the first crucial & genocidal attack that effective sterilized the earth.



This result in peaceful relationship with Humans

The Zentradi/Meltran with the aid of cloning technology was able to shrink (effectively transfer conciousness from the original body to a human sized clone body) thus engaged in equal partnership.

Humans and Zentradi were first discovered to be genetically compatible with the first mix-race couple


Maximilian Jenius (human) & Milia Fallyna (Meltran)


Which is part of the main characters in Macross 7.

The pairing discovered that Zentradi/Meltran genes are dominate in a mix-race pair, thus a Zentradi/Meltran dominate will only produce male/female offspring with trademark Zentradi hair and a variety of the green/grey skin tone (although for female mixed race skin tone is more human natural)

[Justice Knight]

i just saw the sig and gifs and marcross is like gundam?

[4Tran]

The Macross franchise is like the Gundam franchise in the sense that they're both shows about war using giant mecha. One key area where they differ is that the combat and the mecha themselves are deemphasized compared to the characters.

[IHaveCrayons]

Can someone explain to me what "decutural" means?

[4Tran]

"Deculture" is a Zentradi phrase to refer to anything to do with the Protoculture (presumably excluding things that the Zentradi themselves are familiar with), who in turn, were their progenitors. This would include things like music, art and interaction between men and women.

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"Deculture" is a Zentradi phrase to refer to anything to do with the Protoculture (presumably excluding things that the Zentradi themselves are familiar with), who in turn, were their progenitors. This would include things like music, art and interaction between men and women.

Since things of the Protoculture were taboo to the Zentradi, the phrase originally meant something like "unbelievable" or "amazing", with implied feelings of disgust and horror. However, it seems the phrase can also be used in a favourable sense now, from the Nyan-nyan ad, and "Kanteran de Basara de culture!":heh: from Macross 7.

[CaiSter21]

does anyone know which episode Hikaru and Misa get married?

or is that just implyed by the directors?

[brightman]

does anyone know which episode Hikaru and Misa get married?

or is that just implyed by the directors?

The TV series ends with the war and with the love triangle... The aftermath stuff is shown on Macross: Flashback 2012, where (correct me if I'm wrong) it is shown that Misa has adopted Hikaru's family name.

[Onizuka-GTO]

The TV series ends with the war and with the love triangle... The aftermath stuff is shown on Macross: Flashback 2012, where (correct me if I'm wrong) it is shown that Misa has adopted Hikaru's family name.

Misa "adopted" hikaru's surname? :rolleyes:

Sheesh. just call it as you see it.

Yes. they do get married. :p

[lubczyk]

Anyone know how many episodes Macross Frontier is set to be? I just hope it's not a quick OVA like Macross Zero was. Things moved along too quickly in that series.

I'm hoping for the series to be 13 to 26 eps with no continuous sequels. Sequels don't tend to end up well in the realm of TV anime.

[DonQuigleone]

Probably 26 or 50, seems to be leaning towards 26 at the moment, but it's a show that could be stretched out to 50 pretty easily (a la Gundam, Geass....) if the directors wanted to.

[Ninjamasta]

I can't seems to find a thread about this post.

Anyway, here is a news flash for Marcross Frontier http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-04-10/macross-frontier-code-geass-r2-gets-dvd-blu-ray

It will be release in Blu-ray format with both Deculture and ep. 1. In addition to ep. 1, it will be 32 min. instead of 25 min. running time. No release date and pricing yet.

[ipernorris]

Where are the Protodeviln guys?!?

[Ottocycle]

I've seen this mentioned in the threads. May I know who/what's an Itano Circus?

I've only seen 1 episode of Plus, 1 episode of the original, 30 minutes of DYRL, and all episodes of Zero.

Pardon my lack of time in watching please. I'm saying this before I get sprinkled with holy Macross lubricant oil or something...:p

[glyph]

I've seen this mentioned in the threads. May I know who/what's an Itano Circus?


Fighters weaving their way through an intense barrage of guided missile salvoes flying every which way chasing them, a hallmark of all Macross dogfight scenes. Named after SDF Macross animation director Ichiro Itano.

[Ottocycle]

Fighters weaving their way through an intense barrage of guided missile salvoes flying every which way chasing them, a hallmark of all Macross dogfight scenes. Named after SDF Macross animation director Ichiro Itano.
And I learn something new everyday. Thank you.

[CrowKenobi]

Fighters weaving their way through an intense barrage of guided missile salvoes flying every which way chasing them, a hallmark of all Macross dogfight scenes. Named after SDF Macross animation director Ichiro Itano.

And I learn something new everyday. Thank you.And now for a visual representation: :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQ8sAPGKOE (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo0XXnPDMis&feature=related (part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViaVzYGwQrU&feature=related (part 3)

:cool:

[Westlo]

Oh thanks for those links, going to enjoy watching that :D So looking forward to the Eureka Seven Movie... imagine how awesome the Itano circus scenes in that will be....

[Cadorna]

wooowwwww great linksss

[watta]

Is Macross F going to be weekly or is it going be a long wait per ep. Like the wait b/w ep1 and ep2?

[Westlo]

It's airing weekly.

[xris]

Is Macross F going to be weekly or is it going be a long wait per ep. Like the wait b/w ep1 and ep2?
Macross F airs weekly on Thursday night / Friday morning (at 1:25 AM). Ep 1 aired on the 3rd, ep 2 on the 10th and ep 3 will air on the 17th. Currently the total number of episdoes are not known but barring any public holidays, it will air once a week.

The Preview version of episode 1 was aired on 23rd December 2007 as part of a Macross 25th Anniversary Special.

[DonQuigleone]

I think a person more knowledgeable than myself should put up something about the Supervision Army, the main enemy of the Zentraedi

[Kinohara]

According to wiki, this anime scheduled only 13 episodes
Well... Is that true?

[ZODDGUTS]

Question about the whole Zentradi/Meltlandi breeding with a human okay so if a Zentradi breeds with a human (female) then it's going to be male and only male, while with Meltlandi child with a human will only keep on being female right? Now what about a mix Zentradi/Meltlandi half human would the whole the what type of child's gender determine still continue if their mix? If not then we won't know which parent of Ranka was half Zentradi/Meltlandi.

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Question about the whole Zentradi/Meltlandi breeding with a human okay so if a Zentradi breeds with a human (female) then it's going to be male and only male, while with Meltlandi child with a human will only keep on being female right? Now what about a mix Zentradi/Meltlandi half human would the whole the what type of child's gender determine still continue if their mix? If not then we won't know which parent of Ranka was half Zentradi/Meltlandi.

Was this ever confirmed somewhere, or speculation on the fact that Max and Millia only ever sired a bunch of daughters? Max could just have a bad Y Chromosome.

[ZODDGUTS]

I haven't seen Macross 7 yet but on wiki it says they only had 7 daughters they also list the names.

[Cadorna]

According to wiki, this anime scheduled only 13 episodes
Well... Is that true?

i hope is wrong, i want 26

[Onizuka-GTO]

Question about the whole Zentradi/Meltlandi breeding with a human okay so if a Zentradi breeds with a human (female) then it's going to be male and only male, while with Meltlandi child with a human will only keep on being female right? Now what about a mix Zentradi/Meltlandi half human would the whole the what type of child's gender determine still continue if their mix? If not then we won't know which parent of Ranka was half Zentradi/Meltlandi.

Max And Millia confirmed that Meltrandi and Human can successfully reproduce.

The cloning technique suggest that the zentradi gene is reinforced by the cloning technique.

At the moment nothing suggest that a full human can be clone to full zentradi height, only full blood and half-blood has been confirmed. This suggest that as long as you have some in you, then you can be cloned.

dilution of the zentradi blood has not been fully explored, BUT.

if we take into consideration that Ozma and Ranka are siblings, and we assume they are full blood related, we can deduce:


A) they both came from the same mother

B) Dominates of Zentradi blood is absolute in a mixed couple.

C) Effects of the dominates is (in order): Gender, zentradi characteristics. i.e. hair, skin colour, genetic enhancements for space-born combat.

C) Ranka is 1/4 zentradi

D) Excluding the 1/4th blood from a single zentradi ancestor the rest have been pure human couples

we have to come to the theoretical conclusion taking into fact that the zentradi blood dominates becomes partial diluted by human genes and this overcomes the first hurdle.

1) zentradi gender dominates is reduced to less then 100%, by 1/4th of dilution perhaps to 60%

thus Ozma is born.


2) However this does not over come the dominates of the original genetic traits from, the ancestor.

thus meltran genes dominates Ranka characteristics.

i.e. hair, space combat toughen genetic make-up.


If Ranka was to have another relationship with a Human, i think she will further reduce the gender dominates to a more human percentage of 50%.

i don't know if the characteristics of the gender-affiliated zentradi genes will eventually be diluted but considering the hypothesis over the gender dominates, i think it will be likely, but it will take far more pure human couples.

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At the moment nothing suggest that a full human can be clone to full zentradi height, only full blood and half-blood has been confirmed. This suggest that as long as you have some in you, then you can be cloned.


In DYRL, Max is micloned(macloned?) to zentradi size instead of the other way round. We see him sortie along with Millia in the final battle in a matching blue power armor. Of course, DYRL is not canon, but it would suggest it is at least possible.

[Onizuka-GTO]

In DYRL, Max is micloned(macloned?) to zentradi size instead of the other way round. We see him sortie along with Millia in the final battle in a matching blue power armor. Of course, DYRL is not canon, but it would suggest it is at least possible.

well, this is what you get for typing at 1am in the morning. :rolleyes:

cheers mate.

[DonQuigleone]

Yeah but what happens if a Zentraedi and Meltlandi have children? Does the effect cancel itself out?

[lovelyshopper]

what is valkiri

[CrowKenobi]

what is valkiriIt is this. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1511317#post1511317) :D

:cool:

EDIT: and this:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2415049921_0a1089e284_b.jpgThanks to Astrana for the pic! :D

[Onizuka-GTO]

Yeah but what happens if a Zentraedi and Meltlandi have children? Does the effect cancel itself out?

My hypothesis on this, is that if we take the premise that both male and female zentradi genes during the foetus gender gestation are equally dominate, then the conclusion that i have come to is that percentage of either male of female preference is at 50/50 chance for either male or female.

so if you want it in laymen terms, offspring gender in a zentradi couple will be the same as a human couple.

[encia]

My hypothesis on this, is that if we take the premise that both male and female zentradi genes during the foetus gender gestation are equally dominate, then the conclusion that i have come to is that percentage of either male of female preference is at 50/50 chance for either male or female.

so if you want it in laymen terms, offspring gender in a zentradi couple will be the same as a human couple.

In humans or other Earth’s higher life forms, YX chromosome enables male form assembling, while XX chromosome enables female form assembling.

DNA is just a four letter alphabet computer like program. The cell hardware executes molecular resequence program(aka genes, DNA) for molecular level disassembling/assembling.

Refer to
http://www.sigevo.org/foga-2007/talks/shapiro-2006-GenomeInformatics-1.pdf

"It is, therefore, a great irony that molecular analysis has led biology
into the informatic realm of complexity, redundancy, signaling,
networks, and decision making"

"A basic lesson from five decades of molecular biology is that
cells are immensely sophisticated cognitive and computational
entities."

[DonQuigleone]

I've always presumed that Macross never payed much attention to elementary genetics.

My only explanation is that Zentraedi have 2 y chromosomes, and that Meltlandi eggs only accept x chromosomal Sperm. Which would make Zentraedi and Meltlandi incompatible, This effect would probably dissapear by the second generation, particularly with Zentraedi, Zentraedi offspring would have 1 x and y, making them normal humans gender wise. Meltrandi might have a defective gene or something, so their daughters would have a half chance of carrying it.

So it would be possible for Ranka to have a Zentraedi grandfather.

That said, all this does fly in the face of conventional biology (could someone survive with 2 y chromosomes?) though this is a series with "song energy" so perhaps it's not THAT out there

[Onizuka-GTO]

In humans or other Earth’s higher life forms, YX chromosome enables male form assembling, while XX chromosome enables female form assembling.

DNA is just a four letter alphabet computer like program. The cell hardware executes molecular resequence program(aka genes, DNA) for molecular level disassembling/assembling.

Refer to
http://www.sigevo.org/foga-2007/talks/shapiro-2006-GenomeInformatics-1.pdf

"It is, therefore, a great irony that molecular analysis has led biology
into the informatic realm of complexity, redundancy, signaling,
networks, and decision making"

"A basic lesson from five decades of molecular biology is that
cells are immensely sophisticated cognitive and computational
entities."


I've always presumed that Macross never payed much attention to elementary genetics.

My only explanation is that Zentraedi have 2 y chromosomes, and that Meltlandi eggs only accept x chromosomal Sperm. Which would make Zentraedi and Meltlandi incompatible, This effect would probably dissapear by the second generation, particularly with Zentraedi, Zentraedi offspring would have 1 x and y, making them normal humans gender wise. Meltrandi might have a defective gene or something, so their daughters would have a half chance of carrying it.

So it would be possible for Ranka to have a Zentraedi grandfather.

That said, all this does fly in the face of conventional biology (could someone survive with 2 y chromosomes?) though this is a series with "song energy" so perhaps it's not THAT out there

Thank you encia & donquigleone for those enlightening information.

I do not pretend to have study or have any specific knowledge about genetic biology science.

I guess you learn something new everyday. :)

[Sun-Ku]

Why was there a "rundown" (you know the damaged buildings where basara lived) district in Macross 7? Former Attack?

[Cadorna]

are the 13 episodies confimed ?

[Ottocycle]

are the 13 episodies confimed ?
No. And we do not know how many will there be.

[Cadorna]

thanks, that good news

[4Tran]

are the 13 episodies confimed ?
Macross Frontier is set to be released in 9 volumes. The first volume is a 32-minute version of episode 1, and there should be three episodes for each of the rest of the volumes, giving us 25 episodes in total. It's possible that it'll be even longer than that, but I wouldn't count on that.

[DonQuigleone]

Thank you encia & donquigleone for those enlightening information.

I do not pretend to have study or have any specific knowledge about genetic biology science.

I guess you learn something new everyday. :)

I'd love to know what the "official" explanation is, while the Zentraedi explanation might work, the Meltlandi one is on thin ice. I don't think it's really possible for sperm to be selected by an egg depending on whether it has a y chromosome...

[Onizuka-GTO]

Why was there a "rundown" (you know the damaged buildings where basara lived) district in Macross 7? Former Attack?

The setting of Macross 7 takes place in 2045, which is just shy of 8yrs since it's maiden voyage from Earth.

Many things could of taken place, all we know is that the emigration before the Varuta War was relatively quiet.

As in any new city, you can build new buildings, new areas, have a city ready for colonist. But when the initial excitement wears off the organic structure of a city inhabitants will gradually flow towards the more active sectors, thus creating abandon settlements as property prices sway depending on more successful areas.

While my memory is a bit rusty, i do remember them saying the area that Basara lived in, was the "abandon" sector.

While personally i don't think they would go with the pre-fabricated route, it's not impossible in the Macross Universe.

I think they would leave some areas clear for future expansion, thus they build when it's need rather then create an entire town from scratch.

If that ids the case then once again you just have to look around your own city, in mind we have some new office buildings, main a structures already erected, concrete slabs laid in. But the problem is that it has been like that for the past 5yrs. Apparently funding for it was dropped.

Other places properties have been abandon even though they have been built less then 10yrs.

The dynamics of economy determines the ebbs & flow of a city expansion.

I'll expect the same to happen in a macross colony city, after all it's sheer size is about 3 - 4 times the size of the City-state of Singapore. (not counting the countless "Island" Class ships trailing behind that act as the "countryside" for agriculture, natural reservation parks for plants, animal and the odd lot who likes a village lifestyle)

[Deckker]

Quickly Singapore is still bigger than the Macross colony ship. Assuming its still the same from M7

The Colony ship is 5km long

http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/macross7.shtml

While Singapore is much much larger, at least 40km.

If you watch the opening, this particular colony ship is being launched from earth with its islands attached. So I expect it to hold the rest of the supposed 10 million people.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Quickly Singapore is still bigger than the Macross colony ship. Assuming its still the same from M7

The Colony ship is 5km long

http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/macross7.shtml

While Singapore is much much larger, at least 40km.

If you watch the opening, this particular colony ship is being launched from earth with its islands attached. So I expect it to hold the rest of the supposed 10 million people.



....yeeeaaah.....i knew that....just...erm...testing you.

:uhoh:

*kick self for not checking*


Why did i think of singapore?...

oh yeah.

the new macross frontier city colony (Island One) holds at leased 5 million colonist, and is at leased 3 times bigger then City 7 (15km) which is the equivalent to the current population of Singapore.

so that's almost half the land mass. but on the other hand the macross city ship has more area. Big improvement i say.

[Deckker]

5 million in a city, well if everyone lived in bunk beds and small rooms much like how current people in Japan live. Then I believe that 5 million becomes a reasonable number. Though I admit thats too tight for my liking. However to ever get anywhere close to that population limit would require Tall buildings, and I means lots of it. The Esp opening attack showed that the majority of the environment was smallish buildings.

Then again this is fiction.....

[DonQuigleone]

Don't forget that the city isn't neccesarily built purely horizontally, people could live "undeground". I'm pretty sure that many of the military installations are like this, so there'd be more room than meets the eye

[Cadorna]

eyah and they have added little ship, and we dind't count the others ship(3 star Fabric, cementery, SunFlower, etc)

[Onizuka-GTO]

total population of Macross Frontier is officially stated at 10 million, half of them are on Island One, the City Ship.

Like i mentioned in my previous post, Island one might be half the size of Singapore at a 15km diameter, but it has more AREA.

I suspect that is you wish to calculate the habitable area space of Island one, you have to count the number of floors on the ship.

Remember the height of these floor are big enough to allow a valkyrie in batteloid mode, or a full size zentradi to stand, so maximum ceiling height is theorized at around 1500+ metres.

so you could say Island one has a habitable area of excess of 60Km which is more then enough for 5million colonist, it also allows for population growth.

also if you watch Episode three, you notice that all dead colonist or bio-waste for that matter are sent back into a biomass reactor for recycling either for food or fuel.

They certainly have enough space to allocate land to military use for memorial headstones to military dead.

[Synria_]

Alright guys, I hear a lot about Macross Frontier, but I am hesitant to watch. I look at the timeline for this series and there a lot of Macross series' before this. Can anyone tell me (based on the eps released so far) if I would be completely lost, or is it watchable standalone? Does Macross Frontier use references to previous series a lot? Or is everything self evident/explanatory?

Thanks.

[King Lycan]

:o Well this my first Macross and i'm not confused one bit

[bbduece]

Realitically i dont think most humans can handle that type of g-force during those intese dogfights. But then again they are crusing in outer space with some type of device that simulates gravity and some type of shielding to block off cosmic radiation.

[4Tran]

Alright guys, I hear a lot about Macross Frontier, but I am hesitant to watch. I look at the timeline for this series and there a lot of Macross series' before this. Can anyone tell me (based on the eps released so far) if I would be completely lost, or is it watchable standalone? Does Macross Frontier use references to previous series a lot? Or is everything self evident/explanatory?
From the FAQ:
I've never watched a Macross show before, I need to have see them before watching Macross Frontier?
Probably not. So far, most Macross shows have been relatively separate from every other work so that no prior knowledge has been necessary to get into the story. There may be story elements that aren't fully explained initially, but they will probably be covered in enough detail in the show itself. As for the rest, that's pretty much the reason for this FAQ.
As it happens, there are quite a few nods to the previous Macross shows, but all the relevant details are described in Macross Frontier itself. Catching those nods leads to a richer viewing experience, but it's not a big deal if you don't. Also note that most of the viewers of Frontier probably haven't watch all of those previous works either.

Realitically i dont think most humans can handle that type of g-force during those intese dogfights. But then again they are crusing in outer space with some type of device that simulates gravity and some type of shielding to block off cosmic radiation.
Not only is artificial gravity technology implemented in UN Spacy ships, but it's also in effect in Valkyries as well (probably in the form of inertial dampeners). From the Macross Mecha Manual: the listed specs for the YF-19 are g limit: +31.0/- 18.5g. In modern fighter craft, these limits are generally set to +9.5/-3.5g because that's the maximum a human being can handle without suffering from blackout and redout. The only way to go beyond this would be to either artificially reduce the force exerted on the pilot or to reengineer human beings.

[DonQuigleone]

Ah inertial dampeners, every Scifi shows staple for explaining anything.

Note that they never explain how they work:eyespin:

[4Tran]

It's probably for the best that they don't try explaining certain technologies. Would it really be beneficial to get a pseudo explanation on how Macross artificial gravity works? Or fold engines? Or the miclonization process?

When mucking about this kind of made up science, it's more likely for the writers to mess up and make it less plausible than if they'd just left it up to our imaginations.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Ah inertial dampeners, every Scifi shows staple for explaining anything.

Note that they never explain how they work:eyespin:

well, until someone can explain how 1500m high genetically enhanced giants can be genetically compatible with an independently evolved lifeform separated by billions of years, even if we take into account that humans might be genetically tinkered by the same beings.

Then i'll worry about the small details of transformable planes, constant thrust in space and g-forces on pilots.

:rolleyes:

[Deckker]

Ah inertial dampeners, every Scifi shows staple for explaining anything.

Note that they never explain how they work:eyespin:

Inertial dampeners work by creating a counter attacking gravity field to simulate acceleration in the opposite direction of the aircraft movement.

Through acceleration, we can see the human body deform, like one part of the body is pulling another.

By applying a gravitational field that pulls all the cells in unison against the vector and acceleration we effectively create inertial dampener

Well thats my idea anyway. :P

[Deckker]

well, until someone can explain how 1500m high genetically enhanced giants can be genetically compatible with an independently evolved lifeform separated by billions of years, even if we take into account that humans might be genetically tinkered by the same beings.

Then i'll worry about the small details of transformable planes, constant thrust in space and g-forces on pilots.

:rolleyes:

It is quite possible within every race genetic code, there is a inhibitor that prevents certain fundamental changes, such as the way we reproduce, 2 arms, 2 legs..etc etc....

The beings that created us so to speak, would want their creation to be as much like them as possible, this would not require the redesigning of ship, interfaces..etc as they can use existing technology and concepts to resolve those problems.

Its like robotics now, we are making robots to move in a made-made environment, instead of rebuilding the environment to suit them.

[Cadorna]

Its like robotics now, we are making robots to move in a made-made environment, instead of rebuilding the environment to suit them.

Yeah and also the robots now have a semi human form sometimes

[DonQuigleone]

I never said they should actually explain em, just that almost all sci-fi shows have them. Artificial gravity is a far worse offender, though you could sort of generate it through spinning, but most shows don't go that route,I think Gundam does, but it's unrealistic in that the sections spinning are too small, there'd be too big a difference between your feet and your head and you'd probably black out, that said Gundam has inertial dampeners too.

Star Trek is one of the worst offenders, when they accelerate to warp speed all the crew members should be splattered against the walls, yet a small hit from a torpedo causes everyone to fall over:eyespin:

[Onizuka-GTO]

okay. i think all this detailed nitpicking should stop, the only level of science we have to think about in macross is whether big bugs can FEEL THE LOOOOVE?

LISTEN TO MY SONG!

:)

[DonQuigleone]

Actually that's a good point, can the bugs feel The Power Of Love? (Quite rightly the most powerful force in the macross universe)

[CeDeR]

is there a prequel to this?should i watch it first?thnx

[Onizuka-GTO]

answer re-quoted from an earlier comment in this topic, for the above user. ;)

Macross Frontier is set after Macross 7 but like every other Macross made you don't need to have watched any previous series to enjoy it. You will probably get more out of it if you have seen all the prior series but you can start off with Frontier just fine, make sure to check out the previous series if you enjoy Frontier!

[CeDeR]

answer re-quoted from an earlier comment in this topic, for the above user. ;)
thanx....................

[Ottocycle]

I have question(s).

1. Did Max pilot a Zentraedi fighter (the Queadluun Rau or however it's spelled) in the older series?
1a. If so, I thought they were only able to be piloted by Zentraedi females?

I'm prepared for spoilage. But don't forget the tags for the rest though.

[Tabris]

Well, he did get macronised in DYRL, but that isn't canon

[Ottocycle]

Well, he did get macronised in DYRL, but that isn't canon
Oh...so that was what I was seeing in ACE2/3...

Thanks.

[DonQuigleone]

Yeah everything in Do You Remember Love is not canon, including the song itself. You hear it a lot anyway as Do You Remember Love was a popular in universe retelling of Macross, so most characters would be familiar with the song.

[Bankai29]

Which sub group do you think does the best job for Macross frontier so far?

[Jazzrat]

Sci fi doesn't fully emulate real life science. It's the other way around :)

So far, Macross F can be watched as a standalone series but if you dont mind some funky old anime, i highly recommend the original SDF Macross (dont mistake it with robotech). It's where it all begun afterall :)

Macross 7 is more like a side story to the whole scheme imo. Never gotten Macross Plus so i cant comment on that one. Macross Zero.... errr, i dont think that one was related at all but still a highly enjoyable OVA series.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Which sub group do you think does the best job for Macross frontier so far?

i've done a caparison for the first episode between AiA&I-Z, Gattai, Shinsen & Aone.

However i have not so for the later episodes so please take me review with a grain of salt, as i do believe subs do get better further on.

Aone subbing was good, nice and clear, also liked the subbing of the song karaoke, especially the ending song.

It's slight more accurate then AiA I-Z, but strangely they cut out the eyecatcher. no nya nyan, which shinsen sub does well by subbingit as well as the on screen dishes.

however i was once again surprised at the encoding quality.

Coming in a 340Mb about the same as Shinsen, yet once again, AiA I-Z comes in a 170Mb yet the encoding qulaity is...well...FANTASTIC.

dunno how many times i have to say it, but .mp4 is great compared to mkv or avi.

If you want accurate and detailed subs get shinsen, if you want great karaoke subs with clear subs get Aone, if you want good sub details, but SUPERIOR encoding, with sharp, bright and dark contrasting images at a low file size, then get AiA I-Z.

:)

Here, i got a comparison picture, far left is AiA I-Z, to the right is Aone (the small inner is AiA I-Z again)

click to see a bigger version
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/18ccd3363f7e4607495847321f26db902g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=cddo9xzntym&thumb=4)

[Bankai29]

Thnx for the info. So, Gattai is out of the question even though they're the fastsub group?

[Onizuka-GTO]

Thnx for the info. So, Gattai is out of the question even though they're the fastsub group?


ah sorry about that, i just remembered i didn't do a comparison on that because i couldn't play the file format at the time and end up deleting it.

But i've download gattai episode 2 & 4 and the sub format quite pleasant, it's similar to Aone, easy on the eyes.

As for translation quality, comparison side to side, they seem more or less similar only one nick pick is that the lack of karaoke subs for songs, gattai really don't bother with the providing romaji or even sub the ending, but that's expected for a speed sub.
I haven't seen shinsen version of ep2 but shinsen generally has a superior quality of translation, but at the same time gattai doesn't seem to "flow" as well as AIA&I-Z, for a speed sub it's fin, quality wise they are a match with AIA&I-Z but the downside is the file size, which is horrendous. but if you had to choose from Aone of Shinsen on quality alone, go with gattai.
for a speed sub is more then adequate, i've also notice that they also subbed the on screen text in ep4, which is an improvement since ep2, when only shinsen took the time to translate such details. I just hope Aone doesn't chop the eyecatcher for ep4, nothing will beat ep1 eyecatcher, but im still puzzled why they cut it.

ma ne.

:rolleyes:

[ipernorris]

I haven't seen shinsen version of ep2 but shinsen generally has a superior quality of translation, but at the same time gattai doesn't seem to "flow" as well as AIA&I-Z, for a speed sub it's fin, quality wise they are a match with AIA&I-Z but the downside is the file size, which is horrendous. but if you had to choose from Aone of Shinsen on quality alone, go with gattai.
for a speed sub is more then adequate, i've also notice that they also subbed the on screen text in ep4, which is an improvement since ep2, when only shinsen took the time to translate such details. I just hope Aone doesn't chop the eyecatcher for ep4, nothing will beat ep1 eyecatcher, but im still puzzled why they cut it.

ma ne.

:rolleyes:
Gattai in episode 4 translated the Kyun Kyun thing when Ranka was singing "My boyfriend is a pilot" in "whooosh whooosh"... what the hell is that? A vacuum cleaner?!?

[Onizuka-GTO]

Gattai in episode 4 translated the Kyun Kyun thing when Ranka was singing "My boyfriend is a pilot" in "whooosh whooosh"... what the hell is that? A vacuum cleaner?!?

yeah, but it's a minor niggle, shame they don't have the romaji to sing-a-long but it won't br a speed sub if that was put in.

also got AiA&I-Z of ep4, and i have to say the translation is much more clearer as in the context has been fleshed out, flows more naturally.

You probably won't notice if you just watch gattai, it's only when you watch other version then you start to know that other version had more time to proof read the script.

Oh well, i usually replace gattai with AiA since i like the low file size but keep the same HD quality and the decent subs. not too bothered about none important screen text translation, but i'll probably download shinsen just to find out the alternative translation that was on her phone and such.

[ipernorris]

yeah, but it's a minor niggle, shame they don't have the romaji to sing-a-long but it won't br a speed sub if that was put in.

Well there are other ones... like the space shuttle destruction. Gattai says Ranka is one of the survivors, while I-Z that Ranka is the ONLY survivor. It's quite a difference IMHO. Ah and the thing the blue haired Meltradi said when she jumped on the red bug's head: I heard "osoi" and I remember that this word means "it's too slow". When I saw the raw I thought she referred to the beam gun speed, but I-Z translated in "only a scratch". Uhm can you clear this thing please?


You probably won't notice if you just watch gattai, it's only when you watch other version then you start to know that other version had more time to proof read the script.

Yes I know but "woosh woosh" isn't a speed error... :D
But whatever they're the fastest so they're ok for ones who want speed subs.


Oh well, i usually replace gattai with AiA since i like the low file size but keep the same HD quality and the decent subs. not too bothered about none important screen text translation, but i'll probably download shinsen just to find out the alternative translation that was on her phone and such.
Menclave video quality + shinsen traslation = perfection. :D

[squaresphere]

I think "one of the survivors" is more accurate in context since Ozma survived as well.

[ipernorris]

I think "one of the survivors" is more accurate in context since Ozma survived as well.
Ok then the perfection would be "she's the only survivor besides me"! :p

[andy92]

so is this the best macross yet?

[ipernorris]

so is this the best macross yet?
How can you compare series finished decades ago which have become "classic" with a new one which is airing now? We can give a general evaluation on Macross Frontier only when it will be finished.

Anyway I have a question myself: why does the humanity goes from a star system to another colonizing planets? I mean the colonies are autosufficient environments so why humanity doesn't live on colonies without going around the universe? When a colony is filled up with inhabitants another colony can just be built...

[Kikaifan]

So did the Zentraedi just become the Ctarl-Ctarl or is this old news?

[ReddyRedWolf]

So did the Zentraedi just become the Ctarl-Ctarl or is this old news?

Old

It started with Do You Remember Love Macross movie.

Then Macross Plus.

Further on Macross 7.

[cerrian]

Could someone tell me please what the air times are, that way I know when to avoid the forums for spoilers :p. Thanks

[glyph]

How can you compare series finished decades ago which have become "classic" with a new one which is airing now? We can give a general evaluation on Macross Frontier only when it will be finished.

Anyway I have a question myself: why does the humanity goes from a star system to another colonizing planets? I mean the colonies are autosufficient environments so why humanity doesn't live on colonies without going around the universe? When a colony is filled up with inhabitants another colony can just be built...

It's explained in the prologue. The Earth-Zentradi war decimated the human race on Earth, who were then the only known surviving inheritors of the Protoculture way of life. This was a wake up call to just how fragile humanity's existence in the universe was and how easily their precious "culture" could be lost forever.

To that end, the UN pursued an aggressive policy of colonizing across the galaxy, so that a single system-wide catastrophe, first contact with a hostile wandering Zentradi fleet or other as yet unknown hostile forces could not end everything by wiping out a single world.

[Shouta]

I think "one of the survivors" is more accurate in context since Ozma survived as well.

This is correct. I goofed a bit on wording and forgot to clean it up after checking it again. Oversight, and all that. You can find notes about snafus/gaffes/etc that I ran into on the I-Z forum.

[Freya]

Hey I haven't heard that much about Macross but my friend said I should watch it. Where is it compared to Code Geass? Is it really good?

[4Tran]

Moved colony discussion posts to Generic thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=45779).
Hey I haven't heard that much about Macross but my friend said I should watch it. Where is it compared to Code Geass? Is it really good?
This may not be the best place to ask this question since most of the posters here are here because they like Macross. Having said that, Macross Frontier is nothing like Code Geass aside from the fact that they both have mecha in them. My suggestion is that you give the first couple of episodes a try and see if you like them.

[Freya]

Moved colony discussion posts to Generic thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=45779).

This may not be the best place to ask this question since most of the poster here are here because they like Macross. Having said that, Macross Frontier is nothing like Code Geass aside from the fact that they both have mecha in them. My suggestion is that you give the first couple of episodes a try and see if you like them.

Haha k thanks.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Why was there a "rundown" (you know the damaged buildings where basara lived) district in Macross 7? Former Attack?

ah. after re-watching some episode of Macross 7, i managed to find the truth.

So, just for the sake of provide canon factual answers here:

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For those who don't want to watch,

Akusho: An unregistered "Island" Class ship, which is directly attached to side of Macross 7 colony City.

Since it is unregistered, it is not factored into the colony planning authority or part of the overall maintenance services, hence it's neglected condition.

[4Tran]

Moved question on Queadluun-Rau to Mecha thread.

[4Tran]

Moved Zentradi size & economy posts to Macross Universe (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=66289) thread.

[Inquisidor]

Well there are other ones... like the space shuttle destruction. Gattai says Ranka is one of the survivors, while I-Z that Ranka is the ONLY survivor. It's quite a difference IMHO. Ah and the thing the blue haired Meltradi said when she jumped on the red bug's head: I heard "osoi" and I remember that this word means "it's too slow". When I saw the raw I thought she referred to the beam gun speed, but I-Z translated in "only a scratch". Uhm can you clear this thing please?


Actually Klan says "asai" which translates as shallow or superficial, or in that scene's context as just a scratch.

As for the survivors issue, well it's clear that Ranka wasn't the only survivor and in ep 5 when Leon summons the people that had contact with the Vajra, among them survivors from the 117 survey fleet.

I only understand like 70-80% of what I hear but I'm really picky on the stuff I can understand. And as such my preference for archival purposes is Menclave's encode, I then extract the script file and edit it combining all 4 groups translations since their right and wrongs are spread among them. Actually one of the early lines in ep 2, only Shinsen & Menclave got it right.

[ipernorris]

Actually Klan says "asai" which translates as shallow or superficial, or in that scene's context as just a scratch.

Ok thanks for clearing that point. Even "osoi" made sense in that moment because it could be referred to the beam gun recharge rate being too slow thus allowing the Vajra to react.

[Sander RX]

Im pretty much a n00b at Macross,so far Ive seen 4 eps of Frontier and 1 ep of Zero(And i am LOVING IT!It has to be my 3rd anime love.)
So here is my question: is Michael a micloned Zent?

[ReddyRedWolf]

More like a Zentradi halfsie. Which is pretty normal in the Macross universe after Space War 1.
Having most of Earth's population blown up and teaching the Zentradi (especially Meltrandi) love, kissing and... Er... baby making.

Thank culture.:heh:

[Sander RX]

More like a Zentradi halfsie. Which is pretty normal in the Macross universe after Space War 1.
Having most of Earth's population blown up and teaching the Zentradi (especially Meltrandi) love, kissing and... Er... baby making.

Thank culture.:heh:

Thank you for answer.
So how were they multiplying before they were "decultured"?:heh:

[Onizuka-GTO]

Thank you for answer.
So how were they multiplying before they were "decultured"?:heh:

Cloning.

Which is why they were pretty much gender segregated.

:)

[ReddyRedWolf]

Heck even Kamjin, who doesn't like the new Zentradi way of life, admitted culture had it's benefits.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/KamjinLaplapiz.jpg

Damn horndog.

[4Tran]

Moved Wesley84's question to Super Dimension Fortress Macross thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=37047).

Cloning.

Which is why they were pretty much gender segregated.
This is also why the Zentradi use the term "miclone" as the name for humans - it's a concatenation of "micro" and "clone".

[Wesley84]

What's the refugee capacity of a colony fleet?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

This may have been answered but what's the size of the escort fleets protecting the Colony ships?

[Cadorna]

A Sample New Macross Colony Fleet

01 - New Macross Class Colonisation Ship
01 - Hollywood Class Amusement Ship
01 - Riviera Class Resort Ship
01 - 3 Star Heavy Industry Supply Ship
01 - Einstein Class Research Ship
01 - Mark Twain Class Casino Ship
01 - Sunflower Agricultural Ship
01 - Heaven Class Cemetery Ship
01 - Beginhill Military Training Ship
02 - Uraga Class Escort Battle Cruiser
02 - Guantanamo Class Stealth Carrier
08 - Haruna Class Stealth Cruiser
32 - Bolognese Class Stealth Frigate

From macross 7 time, now the NUNS has new ships

Haruna (mm the one who blow up in deculture first ep)
http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/harunacruiser.jpg

Bolognese
http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/northampton1.gif

Guantanamo (this are the carrier we saw in the first and last ep, i think this fleet has 3 or 4)
http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/maizuru1.jpg

Uraga
http://unsd.macrossroleplay.org/arkroyal1.gif

[4Tran]

What's the refugee capacity of a colony fleet?
That question has never come up to my knowledge, but it'd be reasonable to assume that the Island One ship could double up its residents at need. Moreover, the other ships in the fleet should also be able to hold a certain number of civilians. SDF-1 itself managed to contain a population of 58,000 in addition to its crew complement.

This may have been answered but what's the size of the escort fleets protecting the Colony ships?
Every single Macross fleet is going to have different numbers, but Cadorna's should be fairly typical. Occasionally, fleets would also have Zentradi battleships and cruisers as well.

All together, a typical fleet would have over a thousand variable fighters, bombers, and attack craft (Ghosts, etc.).

[ReddyRedWolf]

Macross 7 colony City 7 had a capacity of a million a big step from the Megaroad class which had 80,000 civilian and 7,000 military personnel.

Of course when they retrived Macross 5's citizens it didn't seem crowded.

From our discussions at the Macross Universe thread Macross Frontier has a capacity of 15 million.

Perhaps if you regard Island 1 and all it's island ships as one ship.

[Onizuka-GTO]

What's the refugee capacity of a colony fleet?

Officially the stated capacity of Frontier fleet is quoted at 10 million.

Specifically Island One quoted at 5 Million.

However the information does not state if this total consist of only the registered non-military colonist or is in fact inclusive.

also the number stated is vague, but common sense dictate that the number quoted is the maximum designed load, and not the current population (which is assumed) to be at less then the stated maximum to allow for growth, immigration and etc.

Beyond that number, it is assumed that it will put noticeable impact on the quality of living and life support systems in operation.

[ipernorris]

Who is the TRUE main character of Macross Frontier? Don't answer me saying "it's Sheryl, Ranka and Alto" because I know that already. What I don't understand who is more "main" than others... In SDFM the main characters was clearly Lin Minmei and in Macross 7 was Nekki Basara, but here? Alto seems to have a much more central role than Hikaru IMHO.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Who is the TRUE main character of Macross Frontier? Don't answer me saying "it's Sheryl, Ranka and Alto" because I know that already. What I don't understand who is more "main" than others... In SDFM the main characters was clearly Lin Minmei and in Macross 7 was Nekki Basara, but here? Alto seems to have a much more central role than Hikaru IMHO.

duh,

As if it'll be about lame human characters

it's obviously the Valkyrie/Koenig, the VAJRA, Bountiful Meltrandi/bridge bunnies and the SDF Macross Super Dimensional transformable Gun Ship that will be kicking arse and taking names!

:D:p

[ipernorris]

duh,

As if it'll be about lame human characters

it's obviously the Valkyrie/Koenig, the VAJRA, Bountiful Meltrandi/bridge bunnies and the SDF Macross Super Dimensional transformable Gun Ship that will be kicking arse and taking names!

:D:p
http://gianom.googlepages.com/hailasd2.gif

[CaptGloval]

Why do I have the feeling that the previous three posts were set up? :heh:

[ipernorris]

Why do I have the feeling that the previous three posts were set up? :heh:
Set up? Why would I go through the bother of setting up messages on a forum?

[CaptGloval]

Nah, don't fuss about it. It's just a feeling of mine, made in jest.

[Onizuka-GTO]

We never jest. we are always zentradi Serious here.

Come! Questions! I will answer!

:)

[Sander RX]

Is there such rthing as mid-season upgrade in Macross?
And other:whhaaat?!So Frontier cant go robot mode like SDF-1?Crap....

[squaresphere]

Yes new fighters/techology have been introduced during the run of a macross season as upgrades or new specfic technology to combat the enemy.

As far as the main colony macross class ship... we haven't seen it in action but from all indication it's similar to the M7 configuration which featured a detachable macross class gunship that was fully transformable.

The Macross Quarter is not the main ship attached to the main City module.

[glyph]

Is there such rthing as mid-season upgrade in Macross?
And other:whhaaat?!So Frontier cant go robot mode like SDF-1?Crap....

Well, we see a Macross battleship in humanoid configuration in the OP, so the mini SMS Macross Quarter probably can transform. Either that, or that's the Battle Frontier or Battle Galaxy flagship in the background. They just don't build the colony inside the Macross anymore for obvious reasons, but in its own detachable clamshell City module.

[Sander RX]

Sincere thanksa for answers.

During Ranka's performance at the end of ep 5.Sheryl made an unpleasent,evil face.Was she jealous?

[Anh_Minh]

Unlikely. She was more probably reminded of unpleasant memories dating back to her own debut or before.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Is there such rthing as mid-season upgrade in Macross?
And other:whhaaat?!So Frontier cant go robot mode like SDF-1?Crap....


All colonial fleets that have the designation "Macross" in it's title, are equiped with the "New Macross" battle flagship class, for all fleet Military Command.

You can see this class in Macross 7.

It is basicially a giant version of a valkyrie with a Guncannon ship, which can be detached and is a pilotable shipm, although very limited in self defence.

The Macross Quarter, is assumed to be also transformable but in the more traditional style, similar to SDF-1

[Prongs]

sorry I'm have done watch series 1. and some question has come out to my head.

is this new enemy has same technonogy as birdman on macross zero or it is new enemy. or thie new enemy is the remnant of Stellar Republic.

download speed on my country is extremely low hehehehehhe

[ReddyRedWolf]

sorry I'm have done watch series 1. and some question has come out to my head.

is this new enemy has same technonogy as birdman on macross zero or it is new enemy. or thie new enemy is the remnant of Stellar Republic.

download speed on my country is extremely low hehehehehhe

You do realize you're asking the same question.

Evidences that it's from the Protoculture.

1. Spiral markings like those rocks in Mayan island.

2. Folding , all Protoculture derived civilizations use space fold.

3. Response to a certain persons song like the birdman.



But compared to the Birdman the Vajra appear to be more primitive and as Leon described a brainless bioweapon drone.

The Birdman appeared to have an advance AI interface.

[Jingjong]

Is it true Macross F will never be licensed in the US? Because of disputes with Harmony Gold over Robotech?

That's a shame.

[4Tran]

At this point, the chances of Macross Frontier being licensed is a bit remote. However, it's almost certain that some R1 companies are interested, so it's not totally impossible. Harmony Gold's acceptance of the Toynami Valkyrie toys in North America (they are advertised on their Robotech.com website) is a promising sign that there is some room for negotiation here. Still, of all the most popular shows this season, I'd rate Macross Frontier as the least likely to be licensed any time soon - the Macross franchise will probably need another lawsuit to clear all the legal entanglements up before it happens.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well if only Bandai Visual could pull through with a Blu-ray release.

Frankly Robotech is deader than Star Trek.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Well if only Bandai Visual could pull through with a Blu-ray release.

Frankly Robotech is deader than Star Trek.

but star trek will never be as alive as Macross, so that answer is moot.

:D

And stop with the "blu-ray"

it's just speculation and silly wishful thinking, its just going to come out on DVD and not on some rich-kid format that requires you to buy a new Tv.

so there.

:rolleyes:

[Prongs]

hmm is there any chance that they will encounter the priestess from macross zero plus her pilot LOL

[CaptGloval]

Shin and Sara? Based on the spoilers going around...

At this point, it'll be indirectly via a Macross Zero-like movie that Frontier's characters will be involved in. This'll be in episode 10. But who knows? We'd just might get more.

[Cadorna]

what is the air time of macross frontier? gt -03:00 please

[4Tran]

It airs in Japan on Friday morning at 25:55, so that'd be 16:55 GMT Thursday. We tend to put up the new episode threads 24 hours before the episode airs.

[Skane]

Can somebody point out to me at which point in the OP does the Glaug appear?

Cheers.

[CrowKenobi]

Can somebody point out to me at which point in the OP does the Glaug appear?

Cheers.Same place where we see big Klan Klein. ;)

:cool:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6258/ndvd025tj4.jpg

[Tak]

Glaug? Thats a Konig Monster!

Glaug? Pfft!

- Tak

[Skane]

Same place where we see big Klan Klein. ;)

:cool:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6258/ndvd025tj4.jpg
Er... no, that's no Glaug. That's the Monster, but thanks anyway. Anybody else knows? I keep reading mentions of the Glaug in the OP, but I can't seem to find it. :(

Cheers.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Er... no, that's no Glaug. That's the Monster, but thanks anyway. Anybody else knows? I keep reading mentions of the Glaug in the OP, but I can't seem to find it. :(

Cheers.

When in doubt.

Google it.

:)

http://www.ehobbyland.com/Macross/MAC-PodGlaug.jpg

[Skane]

When in doubt.

Google it.

:)

~image snipped~
/me facepalms

I know what a Glaug looks like. What I'm trying to find out is where in the Macross Frontier OP does the Glaug appear? Or has there been a massive boo-boo, and there is in fact, no Glaug in the OP after all?

Cheers.

[ReddyRedWolf]

No Glaug just a Monster sorry.

[Tabris]

What time does Macross F air and on what channel?

I'm going to Japan next month and possibly being able to watch it when it's first aired would be nice :)

[4Tran]

In Kantou, Macross Frontier airs at 25:55 Friday mornings on TBS.

[Prongs]

wew I just curious did Zetrand Have Elven Ears? because some of the char have elven ears (michell). Is glaug was Zetrand Tank form SDF macross era? because it looks same for me

[Tak]

wew I just curious did Zetrand Have Elven Ears? because some of the char have elven ears (michell). Is glaug was Zetrand Tank form SDF macross era? because it looks same for me

Elven ears seem to be an additional feature to Zents since the original, and were a prominent physical feature in Macross 7.

As for the Glaug, are you saying it looks the same as the Monster? I hope not. The Glaug was a battle pod for commanders of Zent strike forces only, and the Zents do not use tanks.

- Tak

[cheesie]

Anyone want to translate the official Sheryl Nome blog? (http://ameblo.jp/sherylnome/)

[cerrian]

Could some explain to me how the manga relates to the anime please. I was under the impression that MF was an original concept. Now I'm confused as to whether or not the manga is complete, sufficiently ahead of the anime, or is being released at roughly the same time as the anime.

[SymphonicRain]

I suspect the storyboards are far ahead(If not complete) than the animation that is currently following it. Afterall, the team has about four months of production before official airing since the preview was released.

So meanwhile, what is already done and set to stone in the storyboard are then made into manga probably to milk extra cash out of it. Afterall the production values of the anime is quite expensive.

So in short, the manga is used to milk the franchise with a slight differences in displaying a same scenario in comparison with the anime.

As far as I know, the manga is not complete but its further ahead than the anime counterpart (Episode ten by now anime wise I think). There's also another manga that is a side-story of Macross Frontier that solely focuses on Ranka.

Will Sheryl ever get her own manga? :(

[Westlo]

The manga has the same main plot points as the anime but with quite a few differences. Obviously the manga staff have been given the plot for the show up to a certain extent and are working based off that.

Some differences are that in Manga Chapter 2/Anime Episode 3 shelter scene Sheryl makes her speech about destiny and actually tries to open the lock but it's jammed. Than Alto and Ranka (obviously inspired by the speech) join in and open it up, there is no Grace to rescue them like in the anime. Also after Sheryl leaves Ranka gets a phonecall saying Ozma is injured while in the anime they see him pass over. No funeral/Aimo scene as Ozma accepts Alto to SMS in the hospital after he makes his destiny speech (inspired by Sheryl from the shelter).

The latest manga chapter was chapter 5 and that ended with SMS about to engage the Varja like at the very start of episode 7.

[SymphonicRain]

The latest manga chapter was chapter 5 and that ended with SMS about to engage the Varja like at the very start of episode 7.

And I thought it reached episode 10 already since you guys were making brief mentionings of chp 10's summary somewhere in the forum. ^.^;

[Westlo]

Nope that was episode 10 of the anime.

[Jimmy C]

Has there been any official numbers on the size of Frontier's Islands?
The apex of Island One's dome is 2km. From that, I'd estimate the diameter to be around 10 at least, likely more.
And what about the secondary Islands? There's 10 or so each on two "legs", strung together like railway cars.
The whole structure could be over 100km from Island One's bow to the tail Island's stern. That's one massive mobile structure.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Island One is 15km in Diameter, with a rough surface area of 30km, with an official capacity of 2.5 Million Colonist.

Total net area is unknown since Island One has numerous levels, but it's estimated to at leased exceed 60km of habitable space. If you forget about city planning.

Not so sure about the dimensions of the Secondary islands, but them and the ships of various function make up the other 2.5 Million colonist within the fleet.

[Jimmy C]

Thanks for the diameter. Using that and a pi of 3.142, Island One's surface area is 176km square per level. If I assume each Island has about 10x3km surface area and there are 20 of them, that adds another 600 km square surface area. That's a total of 776 km square in area. If that was a square, it would be more than 27 km on a side. And they can bury the industrial facilities on the lower levels, leaving the top ones for living space.

[Prongs]

oh yea this is my ultimate question for this series. why became a bishonen arrgh noooo stop bishonen char

[Dark Wing]

oh yea this is my ultimate question for this series. why became a bishonen arrgh noooo stop bishonen char

They can't because they attract fan girls...:p

[ReddyRedWolf]

oh yea this is my ultimate question for this series. why became a bishonen arrgh noooo stop bishonen char

Then they couldn't call Alto hime then.:p

Macross - Hikaru, wimp at love, a country hick turned fighter pilot.

Macross Plus - Isamu, reckless and a bit too fast with women.

Macross 7- Basara, Doesn't think about girls, just listen to his damn song!

Macross Zero - Shinn, already a fighter pilot, falls for the older sister native girl, not pedo.

Macross Frontier - Alto, hot blooded, doesn't think of anything else but flying like Isamu, as reckless as Basara in a battlefield, he hasn't picked whether he likes the oneesama type or imouto type thinks its too much of a hassle like Basara, has the heroic saving the girl streak of Hikaru.

Oh yeah Alto happens to look like girl causing some girls with questionable preferences to like him.:heh:

[Dark Wing]

Oh yeah Alto happens to look like girl causing some girls with questionable preferences to like him.:heh:

Well this kinda explains a bit...:heh:

[ReddyRedWolf]

Ranka, Sheryl, Nanase...

I get yuri vibes from these girls.

If Sheryl is right Nanase likes Alto too. But Nanase likes Ranka also.

Ranka both likes Alto and Sheryl.

Sheryl was hitting on Ranka in the third ep, now she's bugging Alto.

Not your typical harem I must say.

[Dark Wing]

Ranka, Sheryl, Nanase...

I get yuri vibes from these girls.

If Sheryl is right Nanase likes Alto too. But Nanase likes Ranka also.

Ranka both likes Alto and Sheryl.

Sheryl was hitting on Ranka in the third ep, now she's bugging Alto.

Not your typical harem I must say.

More like bang buddies...:rolleyes:

Also...threesomes the best way to solve a love triangle...;)

[Prongs]

More like bang buddies...:rolleyes:

Also...threesomes the best way to solve a love triangle...;)

agreed
but did Luca owned nanase?

I curious that they allow poligamy there. or is poligamy legal on macross world? in my country poligamy is legal but hmm having two chiks on your shoulder is a great way to messed up your life (especially 'THAT PART'). its look like Alto need more Aphrodisiac

Believe me it totally messed up :D :D :D :D :D

[Mizuno]

What's the song that plays (during the scrolling credits) after the preview at the end?

[Liingo]

^Are you referring to the song that Shinsen has in it's sub which plays during their translation of all the ending credits?

I'm not too sure about the other episodes, as I've only got episode 5 from Shinsen but that song is "Voices" and it's from Macross Plus.

[Mizuno]

Yes, that one. Thank you for clarifying. :)

[ZippyDSM]

I got a macross question in the first TV series whos the guy with the solid black eyes that appers to be the lead scientist?
only 5 eps in and I have completely forgot the dub =0-o=

just asking because there should be no alien contact before the zentradi.

[4Tran]

I got a macross question in the first TV series whos the guy with the solid black eyes that appers to be the lead scientist?
only 5 eps in and I have completely forgot the dub =0-o=

just asking because there should be no alien contact before the zentradi.
He was the chief engineer aboard SDF-1, appearing in episodes 5 and 6, and he was never given a name in SDF Macross. The engineer is completely human, but he was drawn a little differently because he was just a background character. In Robotech, his name is Emil Lang, and he is a much more prominent figure in that story.

[ZippyDSM]

He was the chief engineer aboard SDF-1, appearing in episodes 5 and 6, and he was never given a name in SDF Macross. The engineer is completely human, but he was drawn a little differently because he was just a background character. In Robotech, his name is Emil Lang, and he is a much more prominent figure in that story.

since frontier the solid black eyes I notice more just wonder if there was anything to it.

[ipernorris]

What is the name of the Star Republic home planet?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Nobody knows where exactly the Protoculture originated.
Just that they developed their science to intersteallar travel (space fold) and established a Stellar Republic which eventually ended due to civil war.

There are three humanoid races that owes its existence to the Protoculture.

Humans, Zentradi and Zolans.

[glyph]

Nobody knows where exactly the Protoculture originated.
Just that they developed their science to intersteallar travel (space fold) and established a Stellar Republic which eventually ended due to civil war.

There are three humanoid races that owes its existence to the Protoculture.

Humans, Zentradi and Zolans.

There is a planet Zola, but are there actually native Zolans or just Zentradi settlers? As far as I can remember, the only thing different about them was the pronounced elfy ears, which is now confirmed to be a Zentradi trait.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Each Zolan has a Zolan snake look at the Macross Universe thread for more info.

[Onizuka-GTO]

There is a planet Zola, but are there actually native Zolans or just Zentradi settlers? As far as I can remember, the only thing different about them was the pronounced elfy ears, which is now confirmed to be a Zentradi trait.

Zolan's are like humans.

They have evidence of Protoculture "modification" as to what these might be, is never discussed fully as in the same way it is for humans.

Only that the Zolans were left to develop on their own until they were contacted by the New UN commonwealth.

[kk2extreme]

agreed
but did Luca owned nanase?

I curious that they allow poligamy there. or is poligamy legal on macross world? in my country poligamy is legal but hmm having two chiks on your shoulder is a great way to messed up your life (especially 'THAT PART'). its look like Alto need more Aphrodisiac

Believe me it totally messed up :D :D :D :D :D

think of a culture that needs new generations to explore the universe and with the earth gone, the best way to produce more children is poligamy, imo ;)

[ReddyRedWolf]

Earth is around though severly depopulated by genocide and migration.

But now look at all the defense satellites and warships around it.

It also has a unar colony and a Zentradi orbital factory.

[Anh_Minh]

I'm not sure people in a tin can floating in space are looking for a demographic explosion, though.

[ZippyDSM]

new question for the first Macross tv series, whats with the red hair version of archivist exodol?

glyph/Onizuka-GTO
If you think about polygamy is only "dangerous" when its in a closed society thats within the mainstream society, the main problems I see with current polygamy sects is that they are sects, these sects have other issues like degradating females and what not, if you would regulate them(bascily ensure no under age sex, abuse, insect is going on with 3-6 visits a year from DHS) and let normal people live as they see fit they would not feel the need to join these extreme groups things would improve in the polygamy sub culture.

Now back to polygamy in the fictional environment...I would say its the least of the populations worries, and also i think genre manipulation would be up to snuff to limit mixing families lines and this is more to the the need of people in the population so we mate like bunnies you'll have some "genetic insect" going on down the line from just the shear number of people moving about either ay tho it would be minmilized I guess,every time you get a new ship full of zentradi convents it adds tot eh genetic diversity.

[ReddyRedWolf]

new question for the first Macross tv series, whats with the red hair version of archivist exodol?

As Vlrithwai was genetically engineered for command thus stronger and sturdier than a typical grunt Zentradi.

Exsedol was genetically engineered as living repository of knowledge. Thus he's shorter than most, meaning he's a engineered nerd.

But before 2031,before DYRL movie, Exsedol had himself macronized to a green giant.

In M7 it was stated that Exsedol's reason for not micronizing again is a mystery.

But I do suppose Exsedol is an elder even among his fellow Zentradis changing back to macro size and modifications could indicated that Exsedol wanted to preserve the knowledge in him.

[ZippyDSM]

new question for the first Macross tv series, whats with the red hair version of archivist exodol?

As Vlrithwai was genetically engineered for command thus stronger and sturdier than a typical grunt Zentradi.

Exsedol was genetically engineered as living repository of knowledge. Thus he's shorter than most, meaning he's a engineered nerd.

But before 2031,before DYRL movie, Exsedol had himself macronized to a green giant.

In M7 it was stated that Exsedol's reason for not micronizing again is a mystery.

But I do suppose Exsedol is an elder even among his fellow Zentradis changing back to macro size and modifications could indicated that Exsedol wanted to preserve the knowledge in him.

ah it seems wiki has it,I looked and could not find it, silly me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsedol_Folmo

not a great explanation but it makes sense, in order to not lose his knowledge he was altered some and to maintain that knowledge he cannot be micronized.

The movie is a retelling of all the events of the first Macross TV show, so if anything its more a parrel story.

[glyph]

ah it seems wiki has it,I looked and could not find it, silly me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsedol_Folmo

not a great explanation but it makes sense, in order to not lose his knowledge he was altered some and to maintain that knowledge he cannot be micronized.

The movie is a retelling of all the events of the first Macross TV show, so if anything its more a parrel story.


It could be that after getting genetically augmented like M7/DYRL green Exsedol/Bodolle Zer, or cybernetic prosthetics/implants like Vrilthwai/Mr. Birla, you can't be safely miclonized again, which could be why you don't see miclone weirdos around.

[ZippyDSM]

It could be that after getting genetically augmented like M7/DYRL green Exsedol/Bodolle Zer, or cybernetic prosthetics/implants like Vrilthwai/Mr. Birla, you can't be safely miclonized again, which could be why you don't see miclone weirdos around.

meh I think somewhere along the way they wanted to play up the alien visuals of the zentradi, thus why in the movie you have such a huge diffrance in visuals its like star trek and klingons, we al know the mutation explanation was weak as hell and was done for the "visuals".

In Exsedol's case I can buy it wish they would exspand on it but oh well.

in frontier theres a green miclonized zentradi with a jewel eye so I think it has more to do with specializing the gententics than anything else, maybe they will explain it, any manga readers did they ever give a solid explanation?

[ZippyDSM]

Anyone have any good articles over the macross copyright nightmare its fell into?
from what I can read here and there it dosent really tell a clear picture of WTF is going on.

[Tabris]

Have you checked the Wiki article?

[ZippyDSM]

Have you checked the Wiki article?

doesn't really get into it, bacily from what I read whoever gave HMG the rights so they could do robotech didn't quite have the rights to do it and big west now has the rights but the rights in the US are a bit of a mess at least to the point no one wants to to disturbed it here.

Dose HMG still have the US CP if not whats the hold up on someone getting it?
the rights battle in the JP courts?


It seems to me if HMG has rights to the fictional tech then they should have it for robotech alone and any new robotech venture they should give a small percentage of the profit to the macross rights holder since they never should have gotten it in the first place, basically they need to "separate" macross and robotech as so macross can be properly disturbed in the US without hindrance from the robotech rights holders.

of coarse the courts will take another 5 years to come up with something and it probably wont be good for anyone....since both sides refuse to get things dealt with so they can focus on the future..oy they are the zentradi 0-o

LOL

[4Tran]

This is more of a discussion topic than it is a Q&A, so I responded it in the Legalities thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1632692&postcount=13). Please post any further discussion on the legal issues there.

[ZippyDSM]

This is more of a discussion topic than it is a Q&A, so I responded it in the Legalities thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1632692&postcount=13). Please post any further discussion on the legal issues there.

there are so many macross threads I didnt see a legal thread, its great you have one I'll go read it ^^

[SoldierOfDarkness]

I'm curious, since no one seems to bring it up nor answer my question in the episode thread, do these macross cities always carry hideous and aggresive creatures such as the Hydra in episode 10?

[ReddyRedWolf]

I think that one went feral. It was supposed to be a analog of a domesticated cat.

One was at Folmo Mall snoozing and perfectly harmless.

[pato]

I'm curious, since no one seems to bring it up nor answer my question in the episode thread, do these macross cities always carry hideous and aggresive creatures such as the Hydra in episode 10?

Probably the Hydra got the Vajra-rabies, remember that the man/woman-in-black at the mall asked Leo whether they were Hydry on Frontier and after that he/she commented something about knowing the real terror of the Vajra.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Type-V infection?

Which they are making sure that the crew and passengers of the Dulfim are clean.

[Isegrim]

Has Ranka's manager Elmo Kridanik any relations to Vrlithwai Kridanik from the first Macross series?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well he did said he was there when the Zentradi were cultured. (Space War 1)

Truth of that statement is to be questioned.

Though it is hard for me to believe that Vrlithwai and Elmo are from the same clone batch.

Though I'm more likely to believe Elmo and Mr. Viller, who has cybernetic implants like Vrlithwai's, are clone brothers.

[kk2extreme]

So who is the decendant(s) from Mao again?

[CaptGloval]

What we have for now are speculations:

1. Ranka - because of Ozma's remark in episode 10
2. Sheryl - because of the Nome surname

They both don't know their relatives by the way.

[console65]

What is this Fold Dislocation they were talking about in ep. 12?

[Tak]

Fold Dislocation are space abnormality that impedes on the process of warp travel. UN SPACY have encountered Fold Dislocation since the original SDF MACROSS.

New devices, like the one Luca's family came up and Vajra vessles in general, are able to bypass this abnormality.

- Tak

[ReddyRedWolf]

What is this Fold Dislocation they were talking about in ep. 12?

Warp space has it's high's and lows.

Think of going on a straight line but you'll have to to go up and down hills to get to your destination.

The greater the distance the greater energy needed.

Also the time you spent in warp space is different from the time you exit.

For example when the Macross activated it's fold engines time to exit was a few seconds but the time passed in ten days outside.

[console65]

What does Luca mean that the new fold engine has no time lag between departure and coming back?

[ReddyRedWolf]

And what does Luca mean that there is no time lag between departure and comimg back?

Remember that straight line analogy I made?

Without fold dislocation travel time is instantaneous.

But with Fold dislocation you may spend a couple of minutes in warp space but when you exit it has already been months.

It's like climbing and going down a hill or two.

[console65]

Remember that straight line analogy I made?

Without fold dislocation travel time is instantaneous.

But with Fold dislocation you may spend a couple of minutes in warp space but when you exit it has already been months.

Do you mean that fold space time is equal to regular space time? Or do you mean that you enter fold space and then you exit a second later (in regular space time) at your destination?


You guys really have to explain the science of fold to me.

[CrowKenobi]

Look at it this way: Foldspace is like a road. The fold dislocations are snowdrifts that you have to travel over increasing your travel time. The new fold tech (and what the Vajra use) is like a snowplow blowing through those drifts like they weren't there! :D

Clearer now? ;)

:cool:

[ReddyRedWolf]

Do you mean that fold space time is equal to regular space time? Or do you mean that you enter fold space and then you exit a second later (in regular space time) at your destination?


You guys really have to explain the science of fold to me.

You do realize this is science fiction right?

Watch episode six of Macross Frontier there's an explaination.

Think if fold dislocation as big road bumps when your ride a car.

You can't go from point A to point B immediately because of the bumps.

If you watch the episodes where Hikaru and Misa had been kidnapped the time they returned to Macross has been months even if they were in captivity for a day or two.

[Taler]

Why is there a runway on the carrier when they're in SPACE?

[ZippyDSM]

Why is there a runway on the carrier when they're in SPACE?

to build up momentum and speed for fighters,it also helps time launches so you can get more out efficiently....and it looks neat :P

[Taler]

Ah unfortunately the runway decreases speed via friction, doesn't help increase it in any way. And what?

The question was rhetorical anyway, imo it's just really dumb.

[Tak]

Ah unfortunately the runway decreases speed via friction, doesn't help increase it in any way. And what?

The question was rhetorical anyway, imo it's just really dumb.

Please do remember that vessels are also expected of engaging in atmospheric battles. Moreover, if you seen how fighters are launched, they are actually catapulted through the runway instead of actually wheeling the platform.

- Tak

[ZippyDSM]

Please do remember that vessels are also expected of engaging in atmospheric battles. Moreover, if you seen how fighters are launched, they are actually catapulted through the runway instead of actually wheeling the platform.

- Tak

*applause* :)
Mag rail launching system FTW!
note:The rail can be made from magnetic energy so there dosenot have to be a psychical rail for a mag rail system.

[Taler]

Oh, really. Still seems like a big waste to me. In normal aircraft carriers there needs to be a min momentum to give the planes sufficient lift to take off. With rockets and the speed those rockets accelerate at catapults are pointless.

We've all seen the mechs stop and change directions very shortly after being launched, all the momentum then goes out the window and extra rocket fuel in the other direction is wasted.

Simply put, the mechs have rockets.

Also, even in atmospheric flights runways are not ideal. NASA sends their shuttles to space straight up, this makes sense if most of your propulsion comes from rockets and lift being secondary. Especially since these things fight mostly in space.. etc first paragraph.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Oh, really. Still seems like a big waste to me. In normal aircraft carriers there needs to be a min momentum to give the planes sufficient lift to take off. With rockets and the speed those rockets accelerate at catapults are pointless.

We've all seen the mechs stop and change directions very shortly after being launched, all the momentum then goes out the window and extra rocket fuel in the other direction is wasted.

Simply put, the mechs have rockets.

Also, even in atmospheric flights runways are not ideal. NASA sends their shuttles to space straight up, this makes sense if most of your propulsion comes from rockets and lift being secondary. Especially since these things fight mostly in space.. etc first paragraph.

Fuel? Lol They haven't been using fuel since the VF-0.
They're using thermonuclear engines for Valkyries.
Besides runways also serve as landing areas like they did in ep 14. Better not crash and burn in the hangar.

Anyway since the VF-4 Valkyries are able to reach orbit without rocket boosters.
That's how powerful Valkyries are today.

Something tells me that this conversation will be transfered to the mech and tech thread.

[ZippyDSM]

Oh, really. Still seems like a big waste to me. In normal aircraft carriers there needs to be a min momentum to give the planes sufficient lift to take off. With rockets and the speed those rockets accelerate at catapults are pointless.

We've all seen the mechs stop and change directions very shortly after being launched, all the momentum then goes out the window and extra rocket fuel in the other direction is wasted.

Simply put, the mechs have rockets.

Also, even in atmospheric flights runways are not ideal. NASA sends their shuttles to space straight up, this makes sense if most of your propulsion comes from rockets and lift being secondary. Especially since these things fight mostly in space.. etc first paragraph.
Tradition serves a purpose when its not abused,in this case the flight deck is still a multi purpose assist for a carrier, even in space.

[Taler]

OK mates, I believe I've made my point. Sorry for asking an illegitimate question.

[ZippyDSM]

OK mates, I believe I've made my point. Sorry for asking an illegitimate question.

No question is illegitimate, merely poorly constructed...I should know for droolz a lot. :heh:

They could have from the hanger but then where would the damaged ships go?
They have the mag rail systems but not a full on tractor beam at least one not subtle enough to deal with damaged incoming fighters not to mention many incoming damaged fighters, you would not want one of those things going off in the hanger.

While they don't "need" the launching system look at M7 and the elevator fed launching system it has for fodder...er normal fighters, the elite team got the rail launching system.

While not badly needed for take off the rail system dose get them into space at faster speeds or higher speeds more quickly faster than normal take off.

The deck is a good place to crash and attach large damage vessels to..that and iz looks neat :P

[Anh_Minh]

Fuel? Lol They haven't been using fuel since the VF-0.
They're using thermonuclear engines for Valkyries.
They're still going to need either reaction mass or some more handwavium. (Not that they ever seem to run out of reaction mass. Or bullets, despite the intense usage of both.)

Besides runways also serve as landing areas like they did in ep 14. Better not crash and burn in the hangar.

Anyway since the VF-4 Valkyries are able to reach orbit without rocket boosters.
That's how powerful Valkyries are today.
All the more reason a deck is superfluous.

[ZippyDSM]

They're still going to need either reaction mass or some more handwavium. (Not that they ever seem to run out of reaction mass. Or bullets, despite the intense usage of both.).
They have run out of ammo enough to give the illusion of having ammo.

All the more reason a deck is superfluous.
Not if you need a landing zone or to park extra fighters from a downed carrier....its not needed to launch but for other as important things.

[Taler]

What does the president's daughter actually do? All we've seen from her is running errands and delivering messages, have these people never heard of email?

At least we're sure there's no neopotism going on here, heh.

[squaresphere]

^ she's an communications officer in the New United Nations Spacy. Prior to her being assigned to SMS Quarter she was the aide de camp to Leon, a Military adviser to the President.

[Taiyakikung]

What's the purpose of grace?Who is Brera?and What are they?
I'm totally confused after watching 15th episode.

[Tak]

What's the purpose of grace?Who is Brera?and What are they?
I'm totally confused after watching 15th episode.

:heh: Thing is, we can only speculate now. Because if we knew, there wouldn't be much of the series left :heh:

- Tak

[ZippyDSM]

:heh: Thing is, we can only speculate now. Because if we knew, there wouldn't be much of the series left :heh:

- Tak

Bera is a cyborg seems to be a pawn of Grace and those above her(if there are any).

Grace seems to be part of a "communal" AI/min(starting to think "they" rule/lead galaxy),altho with such strong personalities it seems a more multi personality and multi tasking AI/mind thing, looking at the tech it would no be to hard to download a mind into a computer.She has a modified body, she also appears to be a operative for galaxy for spying and subterfuge and uses the manager gig as cover .

[kk2extreme]

this may sound stupid, but could anyone explain the meanings of "Deculture"? :heh:

[ReddyRedWolf]

this may sound stupid, but could anyone explain the meanings of "Deculture"? :heh:

Ranges from "Awesome!" to "Impossible!" and at worst case "OH SH*T!".

An example of Meltran Deculture. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5tYeweTvfiM)
Kyaa! Basara!

[Tak]

Ranges from "Awesome!" to "Impossible!" and at worst case "OH SH*T!".

An example of Meltran Deculture. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5tYeweTvfiM)
Kyaa! Basara!

You know what is funny, just before I clicked on that link, I thought you were going to show him a clip of the Meltran starbase in DYRL getting annihilated by Baldoza's direct hit :heh:

- Tak

[glyph]

this may sound stupid, but could anyone explain the meanings of "Deculture"? :heh:

The equivalent expression is.

Deculture = OMG
Yak Deculture = OMGWTF

:heh:

[kk2extreme]

good to know, now i can use it in conversations with my friends :D

[ZippyDSM]

when did the decultre term become what it is in the MS time line? is it just another "new" thing forced upon MF?

[Tak]

when did the decultre term become what it is in the MS time line? is it just another "new" thing forced upon MF?

. . . . .

You know, I'd enact the facepalm, but that'd be too cruel.

It was used extensively first in Do You Remember Love (1983).

On the other hand, I strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with some Macross back story and previous series.

- Tak

[ZippyDSM]

. . . . .

It was used extensively first in Do You Remember Love (1983).

On the other hand, I strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with some Macross back story and previous series.

- Tak

I hate DYRL it subverts most of SDF-1 >>
So basically they are using the stylizings and "history" of DYRL more than anything from SDF-1.

[Tak]

I hate DYRL it subverts most of SDF-1 >>


Is that like saying I hate Hikaru because he is not wearing my favorite colored pants?

Or, I hate Macross because it does not have gigantic panda fighting robots?

Which by the way, are kind of shallow reasons to hate, are they not?

- Tak

[ZippyDSM]

Is that like saying I hate Hikaru because he is not wearing my favorite colored pants?

Or, I hate Macross because it does not have gigantic panda fighting robots?

Which by the way, are kind of shallow reasons to hate, are they not?

- Tak
Funnny guy you are..... your so smart but you miss a huge glaring issue with DYRL..its an adaptation of the story and characters from SDF-1....

DYRL is a short retelling of SDF-1, its like any TV show made into a movie with dropped and remade bits to account for the new style or themes of the day while not to the exstream as most adaptations take its still just that an adaptation of the orignail with extra bits shoehorned in as an after thought, a proper OVA would have been better but tossing SDF-1 into a pot of new stuff mixing it up and calling it DYRL makes for bad suop, tieing it into the main story arch makes for good if not clumsy writing.

I'll give M7 a break because its supposed to be cute and dumb but DYRL and plus reek, MF aint half bad but the mix of so much stuff takes it down a notch, of course if you think abotu MF being based off a MS/SDF-1 adaptation then it brings things into perspective :heh: *hides* .

[Tak]

Funnny guy you are..... your so smart but you miss a huge glaring issue with DYRL..its an adaptation of the story and characters from SDF-1....

That is a lazy man's convenient way of looking at it, except DYRL was a retelling (not adaption). But also a movie to correct, add and revise what they could not in the TV series. Please note that most of the graphical elements in DYRL are now considered as canon. This includes the Zentradi physical design as well as the inclusion of the Meltlandis as distinct faction including its own host of battleship designs and assorted fleets.

- Tak

[ZippyDSM]

That is a lazy man's convenient way of looking at it, except DYRL was a retelling (not adaption). But also a movie to correct, add and revise what they could not in the TV series. Please note that most of the graphical elements in DYRL are now considered as canon. This includes the Zentradi physical design as well as the inclusion of the Meltlandis as distinct faction including its own host of battleship designs and assorted fleets.

- Tak

Not really if you love SDF-1 and simply don't really like the "additions" made to the series over time, of course I can be anal retentive of how fiction flows since I loath Blade and hate the Xmen films, nitpicking is the word I was thinking of ah yes to have my head firmly up my arse nawing on the panties that are in a bunch :eyespin:

If I have any other questions about new things in the MF series I think I could easily write them off as "adaptive additions" and save the forum from my further droolings yyeeessssss...iz a shame I will forgot and bear arse again :P.

[ellifeedn]

I decided to see Macross Frontier and saw that Animesuki lists episode 1 and episode 1 (preview version). Is there a difference between the two?

[Tak]

I decided to see Macross Frontier and saw that Animesuki lists episode 1 and episode 1 (preview version). Is there a difference between the two?

In large part in terms of the plot, no. There are a few scenes here and there not available to both DECULTURE and EPISODE 1 though. I recommend just watching both.

- Tak

[Darial]

In large part in terms of the plot, no. There are a few scenes here and there not available to both DECULTURE and EPISODE 1 though. I recommend just watching both.


Until we can get the DVD 32 min version that has all the scenes, you have to watch both because DECULTURE version is cooler, but the TV broadcast version has some plot scenes that were omitted in the DECULTURE version.

[Tsuchiro]

Until we can get the DVD 32 min version that has all the scenes, you have to watch both because DECULTURE version is cooler, but the TV broadcast version has some plot scenes that were omitted in the DECULTURE version.

In 2 days !!!!

[osdes11]

I'm curious, what are the names of all the insert songs in Macross SDF?

[ellifeedn]

Is there a schedule for when each DVD will be released?

[Tsuchiro]

Is there a schedule for when each DVD will be released?

First volume was just released today and the rest are being released on the 26th of every month starting September.

[magnuskn]

First volume was just released today and the rest are being released on the 26th of every month starting September.

Anybody already got the DVD and can tell what extra materials / changes are on them?

[Tsuchiro]

Anybody already got the DVD and can tell what extra materials / changes are on them?

my blu-ray should be here in 4hrs ;)

[Prov1]

I have a question. What is that little fury thing that Ranka carries around? Like what is it? Is it a Vajra?

[zalem]

You mean Ai-kun? No one knows yet. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it was related to the Vajra somehow. He's probably a baby Vajra.

[Prov1]

another question. This one's for macross zero. In the end when the girl goes into space with the alien and the guy follows her, do they ever meet up?

[Tsuchiro]

The ending is untold.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Does Frak Deculture sound good as a fanfic title?

[Keroko]

Question about Klan's name, is it Klan Klan or Klan Klein? I've seen both used, and I'm wondering which one is the official one.

Part of me hopes it's Klein, purely because of the double irony of a giantess with a loli form being called 'small' :p

[Izayoi]

Question about Klan's name, is it Klan Klan or Klan Klein? I've seen both used, and I'm wondering which one is the official one.

Part of me hopes it's Klein, purely because of the double irony of a giantess with a loli form being called 'small' :p

In Japanese, it is repeated two times as in クラン クラン. In English is undefined, so it can have numerous translation such as Klan Klein, Klein Klein, Kuran Klan, Klan Kuran... etc.

Official page (http://www.macrossf.com/character/chara18.html)

Edit: Edited for correction.

[Tak]

Klan Klan, in Japanese, it is repeated two times.

Official page (http://www.macrossf.com/character/chara18.html)

You are forgetting that Klein can also be written as クラン.

As of yet, we do not have an official English name for her, except guesswork from her name in Kata.

- Tak

[Izayoi]

You are forgetting that Klein can also be written as クラン.

As of yet, we do not have an official English name for her, except guesswork from her name in Kata.

- Tak

Yea I know, common knowledge as to name cannot be translated perfectly from one language to another, but it is repeated. My point really is just saying it is repeated in Japanese, since there is no official name I cannot tell.

Edit: edited.

[Tak]

So if it was Klein, then it would be best to use it as Klein Klein and not Klan Klein to confuse the audience. There is not a official name anyways. w/e.

Its not confusing to the Japanese viewers and we are not their target audiences. You do the math.

- Tak