Character Discussion - Ranka Lee [Archive]

4Tran

2008-04-04, 16:08

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IHaveCrayons

2008-04-05, 15:34

I thought she was very cute and bouncy; pretty attached to her already in but one episode. I wonder what use she'll have in the coming episodes or will she be a hindrance?

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-05, 15:56

What i want to know is how she's related to her "Onii-chan", it's obvious her mother was an Zentradi.

I'm guessing perhaps he's her step-brother? same father, but with a human mother?

Or perhaps the son of the father's previous relationship?

or maybe it's it's simply an adoption?

it's also very easy to see she's filling in for minmay shoes, but it;s like they had decided to "split" the character, instead of having one character like minmay, they had two.

I've also got the feeling the officer who attends sheryl is also involved.

i wonder if this is going to be a four-way cat-fight?

the Lieutenant, the Singer, the girl who works in the Chinese restaurant?

All for Altro? the girly man?
:p

I wonder if Lanca lee's brother going to do a Roy Focker Death?

that'll be interesting to see. :rolleyes:

Westlo

2008-04-05, 15:59

Relationship chart on this spread mikoo posted in the image thread.

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08145/scan2467.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs226&d=08145&f=scan2467.jpg)

Can anyone translate? :D

pinoy78

2008-04-05, 19:36

This flow chart was at TAF a couple of days ago (click to expand).

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/50206/2002255379837623131_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002255379837623131)

orion

2008-04-06, 08:55

I think that Lanka will be a mix of Minmei and Mylene.

Lanka's seiyuu is already singing a Minmei song. The second ending was sounding similar to the Protoculture song from Macross: Do you remember love? that Minmei sang while she was captured.

I'm betting that Lanka also does a partial Mylene on us and the fighting will be over her more than Aruto (Alto). I can easily see big bro saying "No Lanka, I think that Michael is a better choice for you." They milked Mylene's dilemma over a Macross 7 TV, Macross Dynamite, Macross Encore, Macross 7 movie. This also would remind everybody about Macross Plus.

Aruto has a personality that not to many people can get close too so his options are the forgiving nice types. Lanka is just a sweetheart so anyone will go after her.

Besides it looks like Lanka has a different school uniform on than Aruto so their interactions will be after school.

Westlo

2008-04-06, 10:21

Going by the chart from my post above it looks like Michael & Nanase could happen, though I have no idea what the words next to the arrows say.. could just say classmate since they go to the same school.

You really don't think Alto will be the main focus of the triangle especially with the reworked concert scene?

donquigleone

2008-04-06, 19:06

I'm not sure if Ranka is half Zentradi, she doesn't have pointy ears like Michael and the others have. On the other hand, she does have green hair.

So far she does seem to be similiar to Minmay, even her voice is similiar, of course this could all change. For one thing she doesn't seem quite as self absorbed...

orion

2008-04-06, 20:41

You really don't think Alto will be the main focus of the triangle especially with the reworked concert scene?

Mylene has proven that a cute Meltlandi-human teen with a good personality can carry indecisivesness thru a series and numerous sequels much to my dismay since I like resolutions. :heh:

Lanca even got her own manga (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-01-26/2nd-macross-frontier-manga-exhibit-to-launch-in-japan) just like Mylene.

And in the end, people still remember Minmei more than what's-her-name.

My bet is still on Lanca. More marketable and guys tend to focus more on the females in titles nowadays. She also is more accessible.

Besides that concert scene didn't really show that he had feeling for anyone other than Lanca. Sure he saved Sheryl but he also knocked her off the stage IIRC. He's flying around with a chick in his arms and he looks at the audience instead. Sheryl is like this unreachable person with no chance of a productive private life so only an idiot would go out with her just like Minmei.

But didn't Macross have 3 triangles going with the main triangle event being focused on Hikaru?

Westlo

2008-04-06, 23:28

Well yeah Alto and Sheryl haven't exactly got off to the best start but you could say the same for Hikaru and Hayase.

My bet is still on Lanca. More marketable and guys tend to focus more on the females in titles nowadays. She also is more accessible.

Right now she is, Minmay was also accessible at the start of the original, Lanca is clearly being set up to be the Minmay of this series, I expect the same stuff to happen to her as her star rises while if anything Sheryl goes into free fall and becomes more accessible instead of the unreachable person she is right now.

And in the end, people still remember Minmei more than what's-her-name.

:(

It's Hayase!

But didn't Macross have 3 triangles going with the main triangle event being focused on Hikaru?

Wouldn't square be the right term for Macross?

donquigleone

2008-04-07, 02:36

herbert

2008-04-07, 03:49

I can't remember any other triangle besides the MinmayXHikaruXHayase with Kaifun at the side? It feels like it's being set up as RankaXAltoXSheryl but they might pull a twist on our expectations, weirder things have happened.
BasaraXMyleneXGamlin.

Wait and see, it's still too early to make guess M-Frontier pairing. Perhaps Lanka has no interest on trap, maybe she likes yuri.

Westlo

2008-04-07, 03:51

He means in the original series, I'm sure he knows about IsamuXMyungXGuld for one.

herbert

2008-04-07, 03:56

He means in the original series, I'm sure he knows about IsamuXMyungXGuld for one.

Well, you are right. I wasn't careful enough when reading your and his/her posts.

faustianideals

2008-04-07, 04:07

I've never watched any of the other Macross series, so I can't really compare Lanca Lee to old characters.

Altro is definitely going to be Lanca's door to some action, that's for sure. Romantically tied together though? I can't see that. Girly man and girly girl don't work well together. I mean, sure, they can buy their shoes together but that's it.

Shoes, OMG~! Let's buy some shoes!

Shiroth

2008-04-07, 05:55

Romantically tied together though? I can't see that. Girly man and girly girl don't work well together. I mean, sure, they can buy their shoes together but that's it.
You yourself just pointed out that you haven't seen any of the other Macross shows, so you don't know how the love triangles in the shows plays out. It doesn't matter if Alto looks femine, that has nothing to do with it.

donquigleone

2008-04-07, 12:24

Macross doesn't tend to resolve romance in the most predictable manner, in the original it seems more likely, at least to me, for most of the run that he'll go with Minmay, him meeting her first and all, he ends up with Mis it wasn't even a typical romance in that neither Misa or Minmay were (and still aren't) typical romantic leads.

orion

2008-04-07, 20:27

Wouldn't square be the right term for Macross?

Whats-her-name had a mini triangle, Hikaru had a major triangle and Minmei has an incomplete triangle.

Lanca is more Mylene with that mascot than Minmei. So I'm betting on the long Macross 7 triangle of Basura x Mylene x Gamlin (boring guy).

So that means...

Aruto x Lanca x ? as the major triangle. Sheryl could be there to help Lanca's development along for all we know and does not need to be involved in any romantic things. When you think about it, Aruto and Basara have similar qualities of being set on a certain goal and not looking for love particularily.

Besides Minmei and Mylene fans are going to want a better resolution this time around.

We also have the character relationship balance to look at. Long hair males are linked with short hair females and vice versa. Tsundere males are linked with gentle/moe females.

Westlo

2008-04-07, 22:39

I don't know why you're counting Sheryl out so easily, my gut feeling tells me she will end up with Alto. If they were going to pull a fast one and have one of the 2 lead girls not be romantically involved with Alto (I highly doubt that) I'll say it would be Lanca at this point. I don't see why Sheryl would still interact with Alto if she wasn't interested whereas Lanca has lots of reasons to stay in touch just as friends. What will happen next episode, Nanase goes to the same school (could be same class), her brother seems to know Michael and co and it's obvious Alto will get to know him etc.

Long hair males are linked with short hair females and vice versa

Better hope that the Princess doesn't get a haircut at some point :D

Whats-her-name had a mini triangle, Hikaru had a major triangle and Minmei has an incomplete triangle.

Yeah but Hayase and Minmei's "3rd wheel" were both Kaifun so wouldn't that make it a square of sorts as opposed to one concrete triangle + 2 loose ones?

lubczyk

2008-04-10, 03:16

Alto is going to end up with Lanca. It's so obvious. There's no way that the male Japanese-styled lead (Alto) would end with with a foreign woman (Sheryl). Lanca being moe is also a dead ringer that she's the main female lead.

I can't name one anime where the Japanese-styled lead ended up with the foreign woman. In the original they even played Menmei as being Chinese so Hayase was going to win by default.

Every culture has their media reflect their own respective ideals and archetypes. I expect Macross Frontier to be no different.

I expect their to be a love triangle between Sherly, Alto and Lanca, but I'm 99% sure Lanca is going to win. It feels like a dead giveaway from the first episode.

Lance might have a Chinese surname, but she and Alto are closer to the ideal Japanese couple than Alto and Sheryl.

The long-hair and short-hair relationship that posters above me posted is also a good indicator.

donquigleone

2008-04-10, 05:29

Macross hasn't really stuck to those kind of tropes before, it's gonna be very dificult to call, besides if Alto wants a japanese gal he could really just go for Nanase. Anyway this being Anime you can be sure that both Lanka and Sheryl are half japanese anyway, rendering the point moot.

Westlo

2008-04-10, 08:29

The long-hair and short-hair relationship that posters above me posted is also a good indicator.

And if Alto gets a haircut do we lock in Alto and Sheryl at that point? For someone certain about the final pairing you're kind of forgetting that Lanca will have to go through becoming a massive star, not something that Hikaru and Minmei dealt with rather well was it? I see some Hayase in Sheryl...

lixuelai

2008-04-10, 11:37

Kyral

2008-04-10, 16:14

And thanks to the Ep 2 ending animation we now know her name is officially spelled "Ranka Lee" :)

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Macross/Macross%20Frontier%20-%20ED3%20-%20Large%2002.jpg

donquigleone

2008-04-10, 16:38

NOOOOOOOOoooooo, Lanka has died, my poor dear Lanka, how short a life you have lead, Macross F has now had it's first major character death, and how early, we'll never forget you Lanka.

Things will never be the same again

FlareKnight

2008-04-10, 17:06

Kaioshin Sama

2008-04-10, 21:08

Well Ranka Lee officially became my first new avatar in ages with this freaky ass smile. That girl ain't right..... :sad:

Westlo

2008-04-10, 22:48

Anyways I'd say that Sheryl has a shot. But in the end I hope Ranka wins out. Basing it pretty much on initial impressions I've liked Ranka as a character more than Sheryl. Obviously a ton of show to go, but that's where I currently sit on it.

Not much familiarity with the series so making the call as I see it. At least from the start Ranka has shown a personality I like.

I think you're suppose to like Ranka (r.i.p lanca/lanka) better at the start but I'm sure she will piss off people as her star grows while people will warm up to Sheryl as she stops being (less) divaish/bitchy.

orion

2008-04-10, 23:56

Ranka definitely should get the award for most inappropriate number of positions with Aruto in an episode including the next episode (episode #3) preview. :heh:

FlareKnight

2008-04-11, 01:26

I think you're suppose to like Ranka (r.i.p lanca/lanka) better at the start but I'm sure she will piss off people as her star grows while people will warm up to Sheryl as she stops being (less) divaish/bitchy.Well if they were trying for that they did an alright job. But perhaps what they didn't expect is in these situations I get locked in pretty quickly and it's tough to jump ship so to speak

At the very least should be an interesting ride.

orion

2008-04-11, 01:30

Nah. Ranka is too much of a sweatheart to get a diva personality. That's her Mylene side.

Besides alien bait don't become divas.

Kyral

2008-04-11, 01:36

Lol! Din't know my post would stir up this kind of reaction! :heh:

I think you're suppose to like Ranka (r.i.p lanca/lanka) better at the start but I'm sure she will piss off people as her star grows while people will warm up to Sheryl as she stops being (less) divaish/bitchy.

Even if I hate to admit it (I also Ranka atm more than Sheryl), there is a great posibility that this will happen.

I personaly hope Ranka stays a nice character with Sheryl stop being bitchy.
It's always better with two sympathic girls fighting over the main lead. :heh:

So it also seems that Ranka is 1/4 Zentradi.
Also interessting is that the Vajra seemed to attack a ship she was on in the past.

Tabris

2008-04-11, 05:53

orion

2008-04-11, 08:15

Well Ranka Lee officially became my first new avatar in ages with this freaky ass smile. That girl ain't right..... :sad:

Well if you are playing "Hide and Seek" with an alien race, I'm sure you wouldn't have a nice smile either. She can't stay lucky for too much longer.

We know that part of her is Zentradi (Meltlandi) but what about the rest? Meltlandi didn't have hair that they can control in the past releases IIRC.

Shiroth

2008-04-11, 08:15

brightman

2008-04-11, 22:16

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-11, 22:54

Uh... Hibiki Kanzaki X Sylvie Gena? (and how about Isamu X Myung, Basara X Mylene and Shin X Sara?)

Unless I am misunderstanding your definition of "Japanese-styled lead"... But yeah, Macross has a history of Japanese X Non-Japanese, with the original being the only exception, apparently...

to tell you the truth, the only Japanese thing about Isamu is his first name.

Dunno any Japanese with surname of Dyson.

Unless he's the heir to Dyson Conglomerate Heavy Industries. Weapon manufacturers and full-sized Zentradi vacuum cleaners. With patent miclone filter cyclone Technology (Galaxy Patent 2000-2060)

:p:D

donquigleone

2008-04-12, 02:14

Probably half japanese, all foreign anime characters are half japanese (do I need to repeat myself????)

orion

2008-04-12, 05:32

Uh... Hibiki Kanzaki X Sylvie Gena? (and how about Isamu X Myung, Basara X Mylene and Shin X Sara?)

Unless I am misunderstanding your definition of "Japanese-styled lead"... But yeah, Macross has a history of Japanese X Non-Japanese, with the original being the only exception, apparently...

With what happened to Myung, I wouldn't call Isamu and Myung a couple. They were more like 2 ex who can't cut the cord. That girl had some issues.

brightman

2008-04-12, 07:38

to tell you the truth, the only Japanese thing about Isamu is his first name.

Isamu's father was Japanese... He took his mother's last name.

With what happened to Myung, I wouldn't call Isamu and Myung a couple. They were more like 2 ex who can't cut the cord. That girl had some issues.
Yeah, true... But it was still the surviving "couple" of the love polygons, and the movie made it seem like it still worked.

Shin and Sara didn't exactly end up happily ever after either... (though I guess you could interpret it that way from the ending of Zero)

Westlo

2008-04-12, 08:03

Yeah the movie version of Plus makes it clear.. that scene should've been in the ova series anyway... the movie did ova 4 events a lot better.

donquigleone

2008-04-12, 08:05

Isamu's father was Japanese... He took his mother's last name.

I could say "I told you so" at this point, but I won't.

ani_d

2008-04-14, 03:41

Haha I love this weird girl with a weird cellphone. I thought for sure she'd be

Incapacitated when she almost got sucked into that open space vacuum. Normally, you would start to run out of oxygen in the brain just by being near that open hole. But since this is anime and logical reasons don't apply here, I'm kinda glad she's okay. I'm liking her interactions with Alto.

I think Sheryl's attitude will improve later, but as much as I want to, I just can't seem to like her character over Ranca. Bright and cheery to the point she annoys people. Ranca amuses me lol It's probably cuz I like the way her VA voices her too.

yadango

2008-04-14, 04:02

cute character, my favorite so far in this series as well.

brightman

2008-04-14, 05:46

Haha I love this weird girl with a weird cellphone. I thought for sure she'd be

Incapacitated when she almost got sucked into that open space vacuum. Normally, you would start to run out of oxygen in the brain just by being near that open hole. But since this is anime and logical reasons don't apply here, I'm kinda glad she's okay. I'm liking her interactions with Alto.

Well, she's part-Zentradi, and IIRC Zentradi can survive in space for quite some time, so I think it was pretty logical.

herbert

2008-04-14, 11:17

Agree, Ranka is a quater-Zentradi. And that is where Alto's comment "so that is the reason why you're much tougher than you look like" come from.

donquigleone

2008-04-14, 12:32

Cadorna

2008-04-14, 13:19

yeah Bretai the zentran comander walk in his ship hull (in the original) for at least 5 minutes

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-14, 13:24

ani_d

2008-04-14, 13:26

Sorry, I'm a noob here but what kind of race is Zentradi? And what's an anima spiritia singer? lol

Icehawk

2008-04-14, 13:45

Sorry, I'm a noob here but what kind of race is Zentradi? And what's an anima spiritia singer? lol

You need to watch Macross 7 to really understand. Basically, its someone who, through singing, is able to permiate a sort of psychic force/spiritual energy that has various effects on certain alien life forms. In Macross 7 they developed a number of technologies and devices that were outfitted on a bunch of Valkyries that allowed them to channel and highly amplify this exotic energy for shielding and other non-lethal weapons and such.

Cadorna

2008-04-14, 13:53

Sorry, I'm a noob here but what kind of race is Zentradi? And what's an anima spiritia singer? lol

The zentradi are a raze of giant aliens created by the protoculture to fight, some of them after the first war decided to work with the human and live with them

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-14, 14:16

Sorry, I'm a noob here but what kind of race is Zentradi? And what's an anima spiritia singer? lol

please read the Macross FAQ thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=64729) and the Macross Q&A Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=64700) both which are in this forum especially for new viewers.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-04-14, 17:19

anyway, if Ranka is a anima spirita singer, i wonder why they haven't detected it yet?

i mean after the macross 7 war incident, with military firmly recognising the merit of cultural singers as a form of psychological weaponry asset. You would of though the newer fleets would at leased make sure they had sound energy detectors on the ship.

Probably because there is no percieved threat, the Protodevlin left for parts unknown, and they haven't encountered much stragling Zentradi and Meltrandi fleets.

Not to mention they don't have a Minmay fanboy head scientist.:heh:

Besides you need someone with guts and charisma of Nikki Basara to turn fleets of Meltrandi into screamming swooning fangirls.

Mylene pulling a Minmay didn't work on them.

Cultural shock doesn't alway work that's why UN spacy command ordered that fleet annahilated.

Fortunately Exedol is one sly guy. The bridge bunnies like him for that even offering a date.:twitch:

Despite the interest with Ranka by the Vajra they haven't exhibited the soul sucking behavior of Protodevlin.

Considering their biotechnology and weaponry they're much more related to the Birdman doomsday weapon of Macross Zero.

With Sheryll having the lastname of Nome it may be a hint.

sheebo

2008-04-14, 20:06

does this mean that Ozma lee is also 1/4th zentradi????

but there is a contradiction there, i thought zentradi genes where more dominant and that the sex of the infant id decided by the sex of the zentradi.

howcome Ozma lee is male and ranka lee is female?????

Cadorna

2008-04-14, 20:43

^ maybe half brother, same father diferent mother because she is a geirl and the meltran have the strong genes

cerrian

2008-04-14, 23:17

You can survive a few seconds in space, the whole exploding thing doesn't happen, he was right to tell her to close her eyes and plug her nose though. Hikaru also managed to go a few seconds in space in the original, both times it's reasonably realistic

Here's a good example of when you should not apply an anime's advice in a real life situation.

If you ever find yourself in a near-vacuum situation, DO NOT hold your breath as you risk rupturing your lungs. Instead you should exhale and empty your lungs of any gas. And during the 3-4 secs as you begin to pass out, pray that somebody will find your body in the next 5 mins otherwise you'll end up permanently dead or worse, a brain dead vegetable for the rest of your life.

Closing your eyes if you get sucked out into space is probably a good idea...and if you can help it, try to find a place where your unconscious body will be shaded from the sun otherwise you'll be BBQ'd.

Should you survive the ordeal, prepare yourself for a very painful recovery process. Virtually every surface area of your body will be covered in bruises due to ruptured blood vessels near the skin. You'll wish that we had one of those Star Wars' medical facilities where they submerge and float you in some kind of fluid.

ZODDGUTS

2008-04-15, 00:24

This whole what to do if your suck into space reminds me of that one scene in farscape were Browdare had no choice but to bail out from one ship because it was about to explode to go another ship that was across it. Eventhough he surived he was pretty much in quiet alot of pain and needed medical help.

BTW About the whole mix species thing would the human woman not need to worry about her child growing all gigantic inside her if the child is part zentradi? :twitch:

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-15, 00:32

BTW About the whole mix species thing would the human woman not need to worry about her child growing all gigantic inside her if the child is part zentradi? :twitch:

please read the Macross FAQ thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=64729) and the Macross Q&A Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=64700) both which are in this forum especially for new viewers.

yadango

2008-04-15, 00:33

lol looking for the most plausible explanations about the homage fall, i'd like to know why she didn't poop in her panties (speaking of which, if i remember right in the original minmay fall there was a panty shot). think about it, if you went through all of that, do you think you'd have clean shorts afterwards he he he?

The Sandman

2008-04-15, 01:02

Here's my question about Ranka: what's with her hair? Is it just me, or does it actually seem to move on its own occasionally?

pinoy78

2008-04-15, 04:15

Here's my question about Ranka: what's with her hair? Is it just me, or does it actually seem to move on its own occasionally?

I wanna say it's b/c of her quarter Zentradi blood.

But something tells me it's much more than that.

encia

2008-04-15, 04:53

Well if you are playing "Hide and Seek" with an alien race, I'm sure you wouldn't have a nice smile either. She can't stay lucky for too much longer.

We know that part of her is Zentradi (Meltlandi) but what about the rest? Meltlandi didn't have hair that they can control in the past releases IIRC.

Have you notice the red Vajra bio-mecha’s markings (i.e. spirals) is similar to Macross Zero’s floating rocks’ markings?

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-15, 05:19

Have you notice the red Vajra bio-mecha’s markings (i.e. spirals) is similar to Macross Zero’s floating rocks’ markings?

hey...nice catch.

:eyebrow:

ReddyRedWolf

2008-04-15, 06:22

Really?!

Guess I was right the biotechnology and beam weaponry resembled the birdman more.

So instead of solving the mystery of Megaroad-01.

The fates of Shin Kudo and Sara Nome would be revealed?

The Vajra is likely another mistake of the Protoculture.

Zentradi, Protodevlin... the Protoculture is beginning to look like the Ancients of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis where we have to clean up their messes.

donquigleone

2008-04-15, 16:53

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-15, 18:38

The spiral markings on the Vajra are old hat, I read that somewhere else a while back (wikipedia?).

They certainly seem related though. How is a mystery to me. Also do Vajras have pilots? And more importantly what are their motives?

It does seem the Protoculture made a lot of mistakes though, but al least they're not around to clean them up like the precursors of Stargate, who would let the entire galaxy get destroyed.

I don't think Vajra have "pilots", anymore then a Zentradi "pilots" a Quimeliquola Queadluun-Rau power armour.

we can deduce this form the simply fact that when Ozma stabbed the Big Red VAJRA under the head at the "neck" joint, blood liquid squirted out, that highly suggest it was a biological fluid similar to "blood". This is further influenced by the fact that the VAJRA "died".

If the VAJRA is "piloted" then it is similar to the Valkyries human use. In that it is controlled and not worn like a SUIT.

As for the speculation over the protoculture, this is uncomfirmed.

all we know is that the downfall of the civilization was an accident that seems containable, the only mistake was to underestimate that FOUR prototype biological weapon could be so effective and easily possessed by unknown inter-dimensional entities.

brightman

2008-04-15, 20:49

I don't think Vajra have "pilots", anymore then a Zentradi "pilots" a Quimeliquola Queadluun-Rau power armour.

we can deduce this form the simply fact that when Ozma stabbed the Big Red VAJRA under the head at the "neck" joint, blood liquid squirted out, that highly suggest it was a biological fluid similar to "blood". This is further influenced by the fact that the VAJRA "died".

The biomechanical mecha fever started by Evangelion might have finally caught up with Macross, which could explain the above if they are indeed "piloted".

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-15, 20:53

The biomechanical mecha fever started by Evangelion might have finally caught up with Macross, which could explain the above if they are indeed "piloted".

.....

never thought it that way.

but if you stabbed a Eva robot in the neck, sure you get lots of blood, but would you kill the "pilot" as well?

unless the big red bug's "pilot" was in the head, it would still be able to move.

the fact that they made a show of it being loaded like a corpse, in the aftermath...

but then again they don't really go into detail so it might be like that. after they cart the body away, they cut it open to find dead "pilot" or something.

but personally i like big alien wearing biomechanical suit armour please.

if they had full size zentradi helping around then i might just go with the pilot thing....

but lack of giants makes me sad. :(

donquigleone

2008-04-16, 01:22

That was the angle I was getting at, I think it's more likely that they're just giant bugs being controlled by some external faction, that said it did respond to Ranka's scream.

dom33

2008-04-16, 02:13

donquigleone

2008-04-16, 06:38

Yeah, she seems to me to have had a previous traumatic experience involving them, I think all the zentraedi have been Micloned by now, certainly after having children.

Tabris

2008-04-16, 15:26

Yeah, she seems to me to have had a previous traumatic experience involving them, I think all the zentraedi have been Micloned by now, certainly after having children.
Seriously...I think she's still a full size Meltradi anyway
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1497/67305300lj5.jpg

Also, in regards to Ranka later on, nothing major, but seriously cute (from the manga again)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9088/1207910208267gi7.jpg

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-16, 17:13

Yeah, she seems to me to have had a previous traumatic experience involving them, I think all the zentraedi have been Micloned by now, certainly after having children.

well it makes sense to miclone if your in a colonisation fleet, increase the space required if your smaller.

But i disagree with your assessment, as that inthe Macross Universe they even haven colonisation fleet that is entirely zentradi and it is a matter of personal preference if they wish to be micloned or full size.

Since all the colonisation fleet are fully capable of catering to a Valkyrie in full battloid mode, air-locks, docks, shelters, storage space, corridors & etc.

It can easily cater for a full size zentradi, if they choose to live like so, and also have the funds for the right equipment in Zentradi size.

donquigleone

2008-04-17, 01:09

I suppose it is possible that there's a colonization fleet entirely consisting of Zentraedi, I just thought all of them had intermarried with humans.

I think it's most probable that they operate a battle fleet (was Britai's fleet ever decommissioned?)

encia

2008-04-17, 01:45

Here's my question about Ranka: what's with her hair? Is it just me, or does it actually seem to move on its own occasionally?

"Emote" hair perhaps?

encia

2008-04-17, 01:57

The spiral markings on the Vajra are old hat, I read that somewhere else a while back (wikipedia?).

Well, the similarities between the markings are meant to be found and this adds to Ranka’s story.

encia

2008-04-17, 02:06

@Onizuka-GTO one of the first things I thought about after finishing episode 1 was where are the giants?

@encia and several others the vajra, macross zero floating rocks, and bridman should be discussed some where else. though on the topic of the vajra, ranka seems to know them some how.

With Ranka, one can't avoid Vajra's spiral markings and the spiral markings in Macross Zero.

Secondly, Ranka’s elevated voice and/or emotions cause some effects on Vajras. This in turn relates to Macross Zero's Sara.

dom33

2008-04-17, 04:26

what I meant was you and several people were discussing the vajra more than ranka in her character thread.

though ranka's music( or voice) clearly has an effect on the vajra, the first example is when alto accidently copes a feel she screams which seems to cause a vajra to be confused. the second example is when ranka runs past sheryl while singing the vajra attacked the fleet.

Sun-Ku

2008-04-17, 19:23

I suppose it is possible that there's a colonization fleet entirely consisting of Zentraedi, I just thought all of them had intermarried with humans.

Macross 5 was completely Zentradi but all(?) were miclonized. And well, the Maccross 5 fleet was destroyed.

herbert

2008-04-18, 00:33

I guess it's time to go back topic.

Ranka isn't Ozma's blood-related sister. Her whole family has been killed in an incident 11 years ago (caused by Vajra's attack obviously). It seems that Ozma has been on the scene (and when he was still in army), and he takes Ranka in because he blames his unability to protect Ranka's real family back then. Because of defence mechanisms, Ranka can't remember anything before the incident, and she may believe Ozma is her real brother.

As for Ranka's active hair, acorrding to Macross Compendium, it's because her Zentradi lineage.
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Ranka_Lee

And let me ask my question again. Does Ranka ever have haircut? If she does, how it feels?

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-18, 07:40

As for Ranka's active hair, acorrding to Macross Compendium, it's because her Zentradi lineage.
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Ranka_Lee

hmm....no wonder long haired meltrandi are dangerous......

:rolleyes:

ReddyRedWolf

2008-04-18, 08:09

Reads Macross wiki...

Eh So she could be a grandkid of Exedol! lol :p

So during those dacades we have not seen Exedol could have shacked up with a bridge bunny.

Advisor Exedol the Bridge Bunny magnet, thank goodness he's conscious of being an old man. (See Macross 7 Encore first episode)

Shiroth

2008-04-18, 08:25

As for Ranka's active hair, acorrding to Macross Compendium, it's because her Zentradi lineage.
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Ranka_Lee
That's interesting information to keep in mind, thanks.

And let me ask my question again. Does Ranka ever have haircut? If she does, how it feels?
I hope she never has a haircut. :p

encia

2008-04-18, 09:11

what I meant was you and several people were discussing the vajra more than ranka in her character thread.

Well, the story seems to be expanding Ranka's history and the vajra units.

arkxkra

2008-04-18, 10:24

why Ranka is quarter of Zentradi? hopefully will know more in the future. seem like abit more problem in the future since the army guy(in ep3) seem got reaction when saw her picture on that report?

Nightengale

2008-04-18, 11:19

why Ranka is quarter of Zentradi? hopefully will know more in the future. seem like abit more problem in the future since the army guy(in ep3) seem got reaction when saw her picture on that report?

Mixed blood aren't strange in Macross-verse. Mihael is most likely part-Zentradi as well.

The mystery would likely revolve around Ranka's true ((grand)) parentage, if at all.

Cadorna

2008-04-18, 15:49

Mixed blood aren't strange in Macross-verse. Mihael is most likely part-Zentradi as well.

The mystery would likely revolve around Ranka's true ((grand)) parentage, if at all.

that common sense because the rate of zeantraedi/Meltrandi suviving the first war is a little more high than the human surviving it

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-18, 17:21

Mixed blood aren't strange in Macross-verse. Mihael is most likely part-Zentradi as well.

The mystery would likely revolve around Ranka's true ((grand)) parentage, if at all.

Yeah, especially since she seems to know an original proto-culture song, but with human lyrics added.

like Minmei's "Remember Love" song, which they found in the proto-culture ruin. (i.e. Atlantis)

Beautiful song, i love. it.

it's so sad...haunting.....

a child who can't remember her sad past.......all but a song....that lift her spirit....

*sniff*

can't stop listening to the song now.

:upset:

orion

2008-04-20, 01:43

Westlo

2008-04-20, 12:14

I'm guessing the Ranka song from 03 (and the second Sheryl song from episode 1) will be on the OST like say Fields of Hope was for the first OST of Destiny and etc. I vastly prefer the version used in the episode to the one used as the ED for the first episode.

If they go with a Ranka Lee song for the 2nd ED (if they switch eds) I'm hoping her version of Do You Remember Love is the B-Side to that single. Even though it's not in the originals league I still liked Kanno's arrangement for that version.

Aquifina

2008-04-20, 22:29

I think that it's sad that she got a "brother" because he felt guilty. She needs therapy.

That song is catchy. I wish that they would release Ranka's single already.

What I want to know is what is her secret.

So hopefully Ozma will spill the beans next week on the Vajra and Ranka.

For someone who seemed so carefree at first, she does have a really sad past, doesn't she?

It was nice to see her smile again when she saw Alto; she looked pretty down in the trolley car right after she was released from the hospital.

I *still* feel the pairing for her and Alto works better; both her and Alto seem to match and need one another more, which ep. 3 highlighted well. Yes, yes, I know Sheryl will get quality time too, but that's just what I feel right now.

I also wonder what exactly happened out there when her family was killed, and why Ozma feels such a special responsibility for her. And how the rest of the military fits into this?

ani_d

2008-04-20, 23:33

For someone who seemed so carefree at first, she does have a really sad past, doesn't she?

It was nice to see her smile again when she saw Alto; she looked pretty down in the trolley car right after she was released from the hospital.

I *still* feel the pairing for her and Alto works better; both her and Alto seem to match and need one another more, which ep. 3 highlighted well. Yes, yes, I know Sheryl will get quality time too, but that's just what I feel right now.

I also wonder what exactly happened out there when her family was killed, and why Ozma feels such a special responsibility for her. And how the rest of the military fits into this?

Exactly what I want to know from this show.:heh: Leon looked a bit fishy after after he saw Ranka's picture. I think he knows something.

About the song Ranka was singing on the hill, was it in japanese? I couldn't tell.

Burner of Anime

2008-04-21, 04:10

Zentradi with independently mobile hair? That means that some of them are literally "muscle heads" :heh:

Say, can anyone make out the profile on Ranka Leon was reading [ep3]? It does mention her age, work place and physical stats. The rest of her personality profile looks "engrish" >_<

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-21, 04:25

why Ranka is quarter of Zentradi?

Ah, i've answered this before, but i just realised another simpler reason.

It's love. sweeet sweet luuuuuv.

:D

dom33

2008-04-21, 05:45

why Ranka is quarter of Zentradi?

that's easy to explain.

--------Human x Zentradi
------------------|
------------------|
--------------Half-Zentradi x Human
------------------------------ ||
-------------------------------||
--------------------------Quarter-Zentradi

sorry about theese(---) but the chart needed them.

donquigleone

2008-04-21, 16:19

Yeah, I don't see why quarter zentradi would be a difficult concept....

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-21, 17:43

that's easy to explain.

--------Human x Zentradi
------------------|
------------------|
--------------Half-Zentradi x Human
------------------------------ ||
-------------------------------||
--------------------------Quarter-Zentradi

sorry about theese(---) but the chart needed them.

short answer.

it's all love.

:D

donquigleone

2008-04-22, 02:01

Power of Love wooooooo ;)

sheebo

2008-04-23, 22:49

ani_d

2008-04-24, 00:19

short answer.

it's all love.

:D

Love is only a possibility, it's all cross-breeding.;)

Anyway, all this talk about Ranka's ethnicity and Ozma becoming her foster brother (because he failed to protect her family) makes me think Ranka is from a royal blood or something. I'm saying this from the perspective of someone who hasn't watched the previous Macross series.

psme

2008-04-24, 01:24

Maybe Ranka has some relation to Protoculture? :D

regards,

Li On

4Tran

2008-04-24, 01:43

Could Ranka be the love child between Guld Goa Boaman (half-zen) and Myung (songestress) one nighter? [after he saves her from the fire] of macruss plus??

a reason i think this is that Ranka "Lee", the Lee part is not her real family name but the adopted name,

and it would make her 1/4 zentran (but the age doesnt add up, she should be 18 not 15)

anyways, Your thoughts people?
There's little to be gained by making Ranka's parents previously established characters, so I find it highly unlikely. Besides; historically, only minor characters have been related to existing characters (the exception being Mylene, but her parents had big roles in Macross 7 itself). It doesn't seem to be a topic that Kawamori seems to be all that interested in his protagonists.

Anyway, all this talk about Ranka's ethnicity and Ozma becoming her foster brother (because he failed to protect her family) makes me think Ranka is from a royal blood or something. I'm saying this from the perspective of someone who hasn't watched the previous Macross series.
Royalty is extremely unlikely since there is effectively no such thing as royals or nobility among humans, and the very concept is foreign to the Zentradi.

Maybe Ranka has some relation to Protoculture? :D
Hah! :heh:

donquigleone

2008-04-24, 04:53

Maybe Ranka has some relation to Protoculture?

That's pretty likely, I mean the vajras have all been after her

ReddyRedWolf

2008-04-24, 06:01

Isn't everybody related to the Protoculture? :heh:

Sheryl being Nome I'll bet she and Ranka will have a duet and sing those Vajra away.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-04-24, 06:58

.....makes me think Ranka is from a royal blood or something. I'm saying this from the perspective of someone who hasn't watched the previous Macross series.

Zentradi & Meltrandi social structures do not have any concept of a heritable figurehead.

They only have two classes, standard troops and commanders.

not sure if standard troops have ranks within, or whether a standard troop can ascend to commander class.

all i know is that commanders are genetically enhanced individuals and form the bulk of the officers and capital ship commanders and have ascending ranks, the highest being the overall fleet commander.

Since UN Spacy is a meritocracy service, i won't be surprised if Ranka has Commander type genetics, but i doubt that will be much influence. considering the number of civilian zentradi's there should be more then one with Commander dna if that was the case.

donquigleone

2008-04-24, 12:41

I think Ranka is important for the other 3/4 of her dna ;)

orion

2008-04-27, 20:20

And Osma spilled some of the beans in episode 4.

I think that there is more to her being on that doomed research vessel than just following her parents.

CrowKenobi

2008-04-27, 20:36

And Osma spilled some of the beans in episode 4.

I think that there is more to her being on that doomed research vessel than just following her parents.Which probably explains Leon's "interest" in her. :uhoh:

:cool:

yadango

2008-04-28, 02:06

i like her singing a lot better than Sheryl's, i wish they'd kill off Sheryl right now lol

herbert

2008-04-28, 09:30

i like her singing a lot better than Sheryl's, i wish they'd kill off Sheryl right now lol
Ok, that is my smart Ranka fan. Sheryl is too much a threat to Ranka so just kill her off. Nice idea, my very very smart Ranka fan.

However, if Ranka wants a career in singing, Sheryl is perhpas the only one willing and capable to help her out. And you wish her die, and die immediately. Great. Can the baby stand up by herself, or her princess will help her on feet? Well, let's wait and see how they would deal with those stand before her CoughLeonCoughCathyCoughOzmaCough.

4Tran

2008-04-28, 10:44

To be honest, I'm not even sure why a Ranka fan would want to get rid of Sheryl. There's been precisely zero acrimony between the two, and if anything, Sheryl has been more supportive of Ranka than anyone else has been. At this point, they're not even in competition for Alto's affections yet (although that's almost sure to change soon).

yadango

2008-04-28, 12:49

i have this feeling sheryl is two-faced. we shall see my sheryl fans :).

Cadorna

2008-04-28, 13:41

sheryl is not that woman type, she is little arrogant but i have to discover others defects

orion

2008-04-28, 17:43

Ranka does sound like a polished Minmei at the Miss Macross Frontier contest. It does make you wonder what she will sound like with coaching, experience and a professional handler behind her. She probably could surpass Sheryl.

I will try not to say anything bad about Sheryl since her fans are pretty sensitive about us discussing her until episode 5. :heh:

psme

2008-04-28, 20:46

Ranka is around 16 right? Does her go to school? Or work full time at NyanNyan?

regards,

Li On

herbert

2008-04-28, 21:30

I know Ranka has inferior complex, what I don't know is Ranka fan seemingly has inferior complex as well. Come on, Sheryl's caress towards is sincere, she has done too much if she just wants to pretends nice. What do you think she can get from Ranka? (unless she is thinking get Ranka to bed:kisskiss:)

Ranka is around 16 right? Does her go to school? Or work full time at NyanNyan?

regards,

Li OnShe attends different school from Alto. You can see her sending mail to Alto on her campus in ep4, there are several students wearing same uniform like her (the white suit she wear in ep2 & 3 is her school uniform.)

4Tran

2008-04-28, 22:03

i have this feeling sheryl is two-faced. we shall see my sheryl fans :).
I will try not to say anything bad about Sheryl since her fans are pretty sensitive about us discussing her until episode 5. :heh:
I'm rather more curious as to why you guys are treating it like some sort of a game with a winner and a loser. While this kind of setup is common in many anime, it doesn't really seem to be the case here (at least not yet), and Sheryl and Ranka seem more interested in each other than in Alto (get your mind out of the gutter! :p). Personally, I'm a whole lot more interested in what kind of character tidbits we get, how they progress, and how they will grow than I am in the "competition". And I think that this is one of Macross Frontier's greatest strengths: strong characterizations coupled with interesting personalities immersed in a very detailed world.

Ranka does sound like a polished Minmei at the Miss Macross Frontier contest. It does make you wonder what she will sound like with coaching, experience and a professional handler behind her. She probably could surpass Sheryl.
That may well be the case, but I think that there's a whole lot more to Ranka than just that. I think that there's a fair number of interesting things about her; they're just overshadowed by the tons of other cool things in the rest of the show.

I know Ranka has inferior complex, what I don't know is Ranka fan seemingly has inferior complex as well.
I don't think that Ranka has any sort of inferiority complex: it took a lot of guts to go up on that stage, and she handled herself quite well - even some of the judges thought so. The most that could be said is that she was a little lonely being by herself, but all she really needed was a bit of a perk up.

Westlo

2008-04-29, 00:14

To be honest, I'm not even sure why a Ranka fan would want to get rid of Sheryl.

I'm betting a lot of them are also Minmay fans and see Sheryl as the second coming of Hayase. I mean Orion already said that they "owe" Minmay fans one so you can see what we're dealing with here. Though I really can't recall another potential love rival get as much hate as Sheryl has when she's been really nice to her rival throughout the series. It's just as puzzling as Zero fans hating Kaname off only the anime episodes shown so far for Vampire Knight... the only reason is that "this person is my favs rival, hate hate hate hate".

orion

2008-04-29, 00:58

Well if you want technicality, Ranka x Alto is the first pairing in order of appearance analagous to Misa x Hikaru. They have each other cellphone numbers and it's pretty obvious that would have been a date if Alto wasn't called to duty. Alto is a tsundere and we saw his dere side in the restraurant and at the competition in episode 4.

It's easy to see bad feelings for Sheryl. This is a common scenario when dating. Couple X sees wrench thrown into their relationship by Female Z. So since we have a perceived couple (Ranka x Alto) and a wrench (Sheryl), you can imagine the negative vibes towards the wrench. Plus, Alto has sacrificed everything to protect Ranka, so needless to say the wrench is not going to fair to well.

Since this is the Ranka thread, we should be able to cheer on our fav babe and say negative comments about (diss) any rival.

-----

Actually, I think that Ranka does have an inferiority complex. It reared its head at the end of episode 4. The only thing at the end that keeps her going is Alto and any perceived encouragement from Sheryl. Now if Sheryl and Alto do anything that is perceived by Ranka as a betrayal, then Ranka will prob lose that confidence because I don't see her as the type that would want to crush the competition which is the usual female response.

-----

I must add that the comments about Sheryl so far aren't that bad. So Sheryl fans shouldn't be that much offended.

Westlo

2008-04-29, 02:03

Actually, I think that Ranka does have an inferiority complex. It reared its head at the end of episode 4. The only thing at the end that keeps her going is Alto and any perceived encouragement from Sheryl. Now if Sheryl and Alto do anything that is perceived by Ranka as a betrayal, then Ranka will prob lose that confidence because I don't see her as the type that would want to crush the competition which is the usual female response.

It wouldn't surprise me if at the end of the series Ranka ends up being the stronger one when you compare her to Sheryl. I'm sure she will get over her inferiority complex and insecurities while Sheryl goes through a downward spiral and becomes emotionally dependent on Alto. You can say her Dimaond Crevesse lyrics come to pass...

Btw orion to go back to some of your comments in the Sheryl thread... did you have a look at the viewer demographics for episode 2 of Macross Frontier? Not much in the 13-15 crowd watching...

herbert

2008-04-29, 02:06

I must add that the comments about Sheryl so far aren't that bad. So Sheryl fans shouldn't be that much offended.
I wonder if you have read this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1564221&postcount=110). I am fine with Westlo's posts, even though I really dislike some of them. I am only not fine with that guy's that post.

orion

2008-04-29, 02:06

Btw orion to go back to some of your comments in the Sheryl thread... did you have a look at the viewer demographics for episode 2 of Macross Frontier? Not much in the 13-15 crowd watching...

At that time of the morning, I would hope not unless they use Tivo. Anime is considered an advertisement for the other stuff like manga, CDs, models, Pizza Hut pizza etc which would be for that age group. The producers are paying the stations for the privilege to broadcast there after all.

You also have to remember the moe crowd which buys DVDs would be rooting for Ranka. Hmm... that may be why she was dressed up similar to that Minmei model I saw in the merchandise thread.

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I wonder if you have read this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1564221&postcount=110). I am fine with Westlo's posts, even though I really dislike some of them. I am only not fine with that guy's that post.

I'd think that it's okay to think that way but put it in the Sheryl thread. :heh:

I'm sure there will probably be more sentiments in that direction next week. Just remember it's only anime.

Westlo

2008-04-29, 02:18

When have I been anti Sheryl Herbert? :(

You also have to remember the moe crowd which buys DVDs would be rooting for Ranka. Hmm... that may be why she was dressed up similar to that Minmei model I saw in the merchandise thread.

I hope Kawamori won't pander to the moe crowd for the final pairing. Macross is going to sell anyway...

herbert

2008-04-29, 02:23

When have I been anti Sheryl Herbert? :(

I hope Kawamori won't pander to the moe crowd for the final pairing. Macross is going to sell anyway...

I didn't say you anti-Sheryl, I just don't like your prediction for her characteristic change.

orion

2008-04-29, 02:34

I didn't say you anti-Sheryl, I just don't like your prediction for her characteristic change.

That's probably because people remember "A Star is Born" in any of its incarnations and see Sheryl as the star about ready to fall as Ranka rises in fame.

Sheryl does exhibit some risky behavior like believing she has perfect luck and that she has no barriers possibly without acknowledging why showing her arrogant side. She is about to cause a ripple in a relationship over a missing earring which means she's a little on the selfish and inconsiderate side. She thinks herself as invincible and encourages Ranka to follow in her footsteps without thinking that Ranka could possibly unseat her which is the normal cycle. Again, that's pretty arrogant.

Sheryl is the perfect setup for a fall.
---

Anyway back to the demographics (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1562116&postcount=221), them look like otaku to me. :heh: It's nice to see some females in there.

Zekori

2008-04-29, 02:49

That's probably because people remember "A Star is Born" in any of its incarnations and see Sheryl as the star about ready to fall as Ranka rises in fame.

Sheryl does exhibit some risky behavior like believing she has perfect luck and that she has no barriers possibly without acknowledging why showing her arrogant side. She is about to cause a ripple in a relationship over a missing earring which means she's a little on the selfish and inconsiderate side. She thinks herself as invincible and encourages Ranka to follow in her footsteps without thinking that Ranka could possibly unseat her which is the normal cycle. Again, that's pretty arrogant.

Sheryl is the perfect setup for a fall.

Actually, if MF continues to follow in the mood of the original macross (Unless we've been giving a shower of nostalgic nudges, which I dont mind, until the series gets deeper) I wouldn't debate that Sheryl's career would be less than a focus for her as the series progresses, but I dont think such a thing would phase her, especially if its Ranka.

But if Ranka takes up singing (too early at this point, considering from speculation Singing = Vajra beacon for her). It pretty reminds me of the whole Linn Minmei situation where she became more focused on her career and popularity than to have time for anything else.

Although this is all early specualation, for all we know the Vajra may want Ranka for their side for Macross II-Style Emulator moral boosting :heh:

orion

2008-04-29, 02:50

When have I been anti Sheryl Herbert? :(

I hope Kawamori won't pander to the moe crowd for the final pairing. Macross is going to sell anyway...

Yes, you are an ardent Sheryl fan who gets ticked off whenever I mention age. :p :heh:

Pandering to the moe crowd has already started. Klan Klein is a very good example of the pandering. She is the first Meltlandi warrior loli in Macross history. Ranka's Miss Macross Frontier outfit is another example. Too bad I can't afford that Minmei model in the merchandise thread.

Since they need those moe lovers yen, I expect more pandering to come. This is an expensive title after all.

Only time will tell who the final couples are.

So I'm back to Ranka cheering.

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It's pretty obvious that Ranka is going to take up singing. Her seiyuu was chosen via a publicized audition (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-08-18/yoko-kanno-heroine's-voice-announced-for-new-macross) that involved singing.

herbert

2008-04-29, 03:17

That's probably because people remember "A Star is Born" in any of its incarnations and see Sheryl as the star about ready to fall as Ranka rises in fame.

Sheryl does exhibit some risky behavior like believing she has perfect luck and that she has no barriers possibly without acknowledging why showing her arrogant side. She is about to cause a ripple in a relationship over a missing earring which means she's a little on the selfish and inconsiderate side. She thinks herself as invincible and encourages Ranka to follow in her footsteps without thinking that Ranka could possibly unseat her which is the normal cycle. Again, that's pretty arrogant.

Sheryl is the perfect setup for a fall.
I guess you got what I said wrong. I don't mind about the 'falling' part, and I can agree with Westlo there is a good chance to give her character development. What I dislike is how Westlo predicts the falling affects her. Over-protective I am maybe, I just can't imagine Sheryl mentally breakdown because of something this small. Sure, she may get a hard hit on self-esteem but I don't think it's enough to beat her down. It's more like giving her a drive to take another step up.

By the way, my favourite manga character is June May of Cloth Road. If you have read vol 4 of Cloth Road, you shall understand what I expect from Sheryl.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-04-29, 03:32

Please people the music scene is big market both Ranka and Sheryl culd find their own nitch.

If you noticed that Sheryl encouraged Ranka in singing. To catch up to her.

Music and fame wont be their conflict Oh no.

It would be Alto.

orion

2008-04-29, 04:02

Then how many bands did Fire Bomber have as competitors?

Fire Bomber continues to be the "It" band in this Macross title also. In Macross 7, you heard Fire Bomber and that's it. So I don't have any expectation for 2 Galactic Fairies.

Encouraging the competition to catch up to you only shows your arrogant side. She basically is saying Ranka can't beat her. Ranka can only follow her.

Of course, we don't know who Brera Sterne is yet. She just may be Sheryl's current competitor. I was wondering if that's Ranka's future stage name and image. She's seen at 27:10 in the Deculture edition.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-04-29, 04:31

There's a reason why Sheryl is called the Galaxy's Fairy. She's a native of Macross Galaxy.

In Macross 7 people started to notice Firebomber because Basara seems to drive off the enemy without firing a shot.

Of course compairing other artists to Basara is a bit unfair as he was considered the Minmei of his generation.

Unlike Sheryl, Basara wasn't the nuturing mentor type. UN Spacy asked him to train the Jamming Birds, he didn't.

Sheryl on the otherhand seems to take Ranka under her wing.

Sheryl infects others with her never say die attitude.

ani_d

2008-04-29, 04:47

If you noticed that Sheryl encouraged Ranka in singing. To catch up to her.

Music and fame wont be their conflict Oh no.

It would be Alto.

No way.:heh: I can even see Ranka backing down rather than staying in the ring for the LT. Alto will just have to stop being a princess and take the cue. If anything, Sheryl and Ranka probably will be best friends throughout the show or something.

After that speech Sheryl gave when they were trapped inside that pod, I doubt her pride will let her RIP if she lets herself stoop down to her insecurities and end up as a clingy has-been. I find the idea of her becoming more emo than Ranka and consoling someone like Alto a little out of character. Besides, after 4 episodes, I still have yet to see some proof that Sheryl's self-esteem has its limits. :)

For the record, I never liked Sheryl btw, she just fell on the bad side of my first impressions that's all. I just give credit to where there should be credit. That and because I want princess Alto and her pet Ranka to have a happy ending without the "wrench" interfering. Because you see, Sheryl Nome antagonizes my fave character's happy ending. I have to hate somehow and I'm bitter that way. ;)

I'm not familiar with the original Macross, but I'm guessing Misa was the first girl in the show and Minmei second, right? lol I don't think the LT will follow that previous set-up no matter how parallel things are. Where's the fun in that?

Zekori

2008-04-29, 05:06

I'm not familiar with the original Macross, but I'm guessing Misa was the first girl in the show and Minmei second, right? lol I don't think the LT will follow that previous set-up no matter how parallel things are. Where's the fun in that?

It was pretty much Minmei focus for about 25~40% of the series until Misa character development started to swing around, even then it was pretty much a love triangle for the later half. Misa was actually portrayed as pretty much as a b**** alot of times in the series, and they managed to turn that around in a couple of episodes slightly to the point where shes not so much one (my perspective). :heh:

Although around episode three, after Minmei is asking Hikaru to suicide with her after being stuck in the macross dead sectors pretty much making me go "Don't do it man!" after he kept being "lovesick" towards Minmei. :heh:

psme

2008-04-29, 05:28

Then how many bands did Fire Bomber have as competitors?

Fire Bomber continues to be the "It" band in this Macross title also. In Macross 7, you heard Fire Bomber and that's it. So I don't have any expectation for 2 Galactic Fairies.

I don't think so. In the Galaxy Network CD 1 and 2, there are quite a few bands and different male/female singers. Each CD has around 12 songs I think and only around 3 songs belong to Fire Bomber. I maybe wrong though if my memory is bad! :heh:

regards,

Li On

Westlo

2008-04-29, 06:02

Pandering to the moe crowd has already started.

I know the pandering has already started, that's why I said I hope he doesn't for the final pairing ;)

Anyway back to the demographics, them look like otaku to me. It's nice to see some females in there

You said 13-15 year olds was the target base... that would be in the Teen section which has a 0.3%... and you said something about the time it was on... To Love Ru is has 3.2% share in that market so don't use the time slot as an excuse.. The M2 fanbase is probably old fans from prior series.. that's why To Love Ru is low in that area while another old series (manga) in Golgo is kinda high in that one.

What I dislike is how Westlo predicts the falling affects her. Over-protective I am maybe, I just can't imagine Sheryl mentally breakdown because of something this small. Sure, she may get a hard hit on self-esteem but I don't think it's enough to beat her down. It's more like giving her a drive to take another step up.

I don't think she will mentally breakdown, just become emotionally dependent on Alto and there's nothing wrong with that. When I find out why she values the earrings so much It will give me another clue as to what they will do with her. Is the earrings from her "Riber?", a family member? Someone who was like a sister to her? I think her lyrics from Diamond Crevesse gives an indication to what they will do with her too.

Please people the music scene is big market both Ranka and Sheryl culd find their own nitch.

If you noticed that Sheryl encouraged Ranka in singing. To catch up to her.

Music and fame wont be their conflict Oh no.

It would be Alto.

Yeah even if Ranka become popular it's not like Sheryl would lose her fanbase in her home fleet of Macross Galaxy, like you said she's called the Galaxy Fairy for a reason.

Of course, we don't know who Brera Sterne is yet. She just may be Sheryl's current competitor. I was wondering if that's Ranka's future stage name and image. She's seen at 27:10 in the Deculture edition.

Uh no just no lol... Souichiro Hoshi (Keiichi in Higuarshi, Kira Yamato in Gundam SEED, Kazuma in Scryed) is casted to voice Brera Sterne and going by the OP he's the main antagonist of this series for at least the first half. Pic posted by Nightengale in the VA thread on this forum.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9649/080227sp8b4b495rx9.jpg

I'm not familiar with the original Macross, but I'm guessing Misa was the first girl in the show and Minmei second, right? lol I don't think the LT will follow that previous set-up no matter how parallel things are. Where's the fun in that?

You see Minmei first, she's watching the air show where the main character does he stuff, later on you see Hikaru and his senpai Roy (think Ozma) admiring Minmei's swaying ass (Robotech cut this out!) as she walks away from them. Misa is just a commanding officer at the time and was harsh to Hikaru (with fair reason considering the circumstances) and Hikaru called her an old woman and their love/hate relationship started from that point and escalated as Hikaru joined the military. But Minmei was the main focus of Hikaru for the first half (Hikaru fights to protect Minmay at one stage, sound familiar?) and she still played the most important role out of all the characters in the show.

I don't see Kawamori giving Ranka the Minmay role and the guy, especially since Sheryl is listed 2nd on the cast order but that's just me.. we'll find out in 20.5 weeks unless they decide to pull a second season on us.

orion

2008-04-29, 08:53

I don't think so. In the Galaxy Network CD 1 and 2, there are quite a few bands and different male/female singers. Each CD has around 12 songs I think and only around 3 songs belong to Fire Bomber. I maybe wrong though if my memory is bad! :heh:

regards,

Li On

I'm talking about in the anime. Whatever shows up on a CD that mimics a radio station broadcast is not a part of my consideration.

You said 13-15 year olds was the target base... that would be in the Teen section which has a 0.3%... and you said something about the time it was on... To Love Ru is has 3.2% share in that market so don't use the time slot as an excuse.. The M2 fanbase is probably old fans from prior series.. that's why To Love Ru is low in that area while another old series (manga) in Golgo is kinda high in that one.

For the demographics (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=11958&page=12), that is the target but obviously they aren't hitting it with that time slot they got. The poor show is getting screwed. No teen is going to watch TV Fridays at 2 AM on a school day unless it's Tivo and with Pizza Hut coming on board hopefully it will increase awareness. If anything, Macross F should be compared to Code Geass R2 which is aired in a time that teens could watch on Sundays at 5 PM and is a mecha title also that targets teens. That show has better ratings breakdown and a higher score depending on which the region sampled. Macross F is also targeting females which is something in its favor.

I believe that they don't have school on Saturdays so that might account for a greater teen presence in Golgo 13 Saturdays 1 AM but that title has fanservice and is a revered property in Japan that should appeal to a wider male population. To Love RU is an otaku title with fanservice I believe that airs Fridays at 1:55 AM on a school day. So there you have it the power of otaku and fanservice on school day ratings. :heh:

Again, since there is a female segment, Ranka is prob going to receive the sympathy since Ranka x Alto is the perceived budding couple at the onset with Sheryl being the wrench.

-----

So Brera is a male with an obvious female design and a similar necklace to Alto. Hmmm... I wonder if he's an onnagata too. Oh well, I have to wait to find out because this is the Ranka thread dedicated to cheering on our fav babe and not getting derailed in unnecessary discussions. :heh:

We may have to sing the Nyan Nyan song with liberal sprinkling of holy Macross oil to purify this thread. :heh:

t4GYnMikgws

Cadorna

2008-04-29, 13:34

I don't see Kawamori giving Ranka the Minmay role and the guy, especially since Sheryl is listed 2nd on the cast order but that's just me.. we'll find out in 20.5 weeks unless they decide to pull a second season on us.

if they ll pull a second season , i hope they keep the quality

ani_d

2008-04-29, 14:55

Okay, so I watched the first episode of original Macross (and a lil bit of ep 2) and Misa's introduction is just enough for you to warm up to her. (If Minmei's proper introduction really did appear before Misa's then sorry, I must've missed it. ) I don't see any similarities between her and Sheryl at all. If I was going to pick a female lead by just watching episode 1, then I will definitely be a Misa fan. Minmei's appearance is more like a cameo and I didn't even figure out that she's THE Minmei until I saw episode 2 preview where she's gonna get more attention. I have to admit Minmei is prettier than Misa to boot lol Though Ranka's attitude/restaurant is more like Minmei, she did strike me the way Misa did after seeing the MF preview and official episode 1. So to me, the impression I got from all this parallelism is that, they're reversing Misa and Minmei's role and paying homage to the characters at the same time. It really doesn't matter to me since I'm not a long-time Macross fan, but they better not kill off Ozma (from what I've been hearing lately) and go overboard with the parallelism.

I don't see Kawamori giving Ranka the Minmay role and the guy, especially since Sheryl is listed 2nd on the cast order but that's just me.. we'll find out in 20.5 weeks unless they decide to pull a second season on us.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but in episode 4, Alto and Ranka's names were both listed at the top of the credits. But I know what you're talking about. I also saw an episode where Sheryl's name was above Ranka too, which I think in episode 2? In the official website, however, Alto and Ranka's names were side by side and Sheryl's only third in the list.

http://www.macrossf.com/character/character.html

Not that the cast order determines the LT, I mean Noe was listed second in True Tears and you know what happened lol

yadango

2008-04-29, 15:44

I wonder if you have read this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1564221&postcount=110). I am fine with Westlo's posts, even though I really dislike some of them. I am only not fine with that guy's that post.

there's a reason why there's a "lol" at the end of it (it's a joke). sheryl should be shot, maimed, hung, slapped with a salami :heh: it's just an expression, doesn't mean i'm serious. the only serious rant i have about sherly is her hair is sooo shiny and reflective that i rarely look at her face. sheryl is fine, so don't take my death comment too seriously. note: bad joke next sentence. i still think all you pink-haired hina/sheryl fans are all a bunch of perverts :P. what is it with pink hair anyways lol? sickos!

I'd think that it's okay to think that way but put it in the Sheryl thread. :heh:
I'm sure there will probably be more sentiments in that direction next week. Just remember it's only anime.

shall i start posting in the Sheryl thread :D? yeah, it's just anime, and so far i'm lovin' frontier (even more so than zero, plus, and 7) and all the homage scenes. though this misa = sheryl and ranka = minmei talk bothers me lol. i think everybody's different.

Tak

2008-04-29, 17:28

Ranka proved to be an interesting person. Not your stereotypical lolita jailbait. This one has personality.

Although I did have a problem with her initially. You see, I miss the days of the straight-forward warrior Meltlandis. If they weren't pushing buttons, they were definitely pulling triggers. Milia wouldn't have gone through this sentimental exchange! She would have SHOT YOU! I wonder if anyone felt this way.

Not to mention, after decades, the Melts apparently now produce their offspring in cute and lovable varieties, some come with Elvish features (where did THAT came from?). Woe, how the mighty has fallen!

- Tak

yadango

2008-04-29, 17:52

when Klan got out of her fighter she seemed pretty warrior to me... not to mention very busty ha ha ha.

herbert

2008-04-29, 20:33

I don't think she will mentally breakdown, just become emotionally dependent on Alto and there's nothing wrong with that. When I find out why she values the earrings so much It will give me another clue as to what they will do with her. Is the earrings from her "Riber?", a family member? Someone who was like a sister to her? I think her lyrics from Diamond Crevesse gives an indication to what they will do with her too.

Alright, this sounds a lot better, and I apologize for my misunderstanding. But I still don't like the idea Sheryl mentally dependent on Alto. Sheryl is mistress and Alto is her slave; this is how I interpret their relationship.

As for the earring, from what I have heard about manga, it's from Sheryl's mother whom she has never known. The pair of earrings is the only thing with Sheryl when she was abandoned as a baby.

Cadorna

2008-04-29, 21:12

^ please put the earring things in a spoiler tag, i didn 't care but some people might

Westlo

2008-04-30, 00:17

Ah good Herbert.. no Riber for Sheryl

No teen is going to watch TV Fridays at 2 AM on a school day unless it's Tivo and with Pizza Hut coming on board hopefully it will increase awareness.

To Love RU is an otaku title with fanservice I believe that airs Fridays at 1:55 AM on a school day. So there you have it the power of otaku and fanservice on school day ratings. :heh:

But Frontier has plenty of fanservice and you just said otakus will be buying the dvds.. still for that market an 0.3% share for Macross compared to To Love Ru's 3.2% when they air 30 mins apart isn't a good look. They aren't competing against each other...

Again, since there is a female segment, Ranka is prob going to receive the sympathy since Ranka x Alto is the perceived budding couple at the onset with Sheryl being the wrench.

I'm sure she will get sympathy unless she pulls a Minmei when her star rises but I really don't see her doing that but who knows. But budding couple isn't canon so people shouldn't hold that against Sheryl, it's not like she knows about their "budding" relationship. If you want to blame anyone blame Alto but like I said it's not official.

I don't see any similarities between her and Sheryl at all.

There's plenty actually, I see Sheryl as Misa if she was a pop idol in the mold of Sharon Apple. Both are perfectionists, both have pretty much devoted their lives to their chosen profession (I wouldn't be surprised if Sheryl's only real friend is her manager Grace) and climbed to the top in their fields due to their abilities. Also they both get off to a bad start with the male lead and clash with them. Also if anyone's going to pull a Misa and say choose one of us it will more than likely be Sheryl.

Anyway keep watching Macross and you'll see Minmei utterly dominate it character wise for most of the first half and like I said she's still the most important person in the show even after the triangle develops. Did people even assume Hayase was a romantic interest back in the day? I was like 6-7 when I first watched this so I really didn't see her that way until th 2nd half...

I'm not sure if you noticed, but in episode 4, Alto and Ranka's names were both listed at the top of the credits.

Not that the cast order determines the LT, I mean Noe was listed second in True Tears and you know what happened lol

That's actually the first time she was listed above Sheryl, if they are going by the episodes content she really should've been listed about Sheryl in 2 and 3 as well.. and yeah true about True Tears lol.

SpaceDrake

2008-04-30, 03:52

Not to mention, after decades, the Melts apparently now produce their offspring in cute and lovable varieties, some come with Elvish features (where did THAT came from?). Woe, how the mighty has fallen!

The ears seem to be a generalized post-DYRL update to the Zentraedi look, to help differentiate them from the Terrans. Guld has the pointy ears too, and he's from 1995. It definitely isn't limited to Frontier.

orion

2008-04-30, 21:53

I think that the ears are cute. :heh: Too bad Ranka doesn't have any ears like that.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-01, 02:44

The ears seem to be a generalized post-DYRL update to the Zentraedi look, to help differentiate them from the Terrans. Guld has the pointy ears too, and he's from 1995. It definitely isn't limited to Frontier.

you sure? i swear i saw those ears appearing in Flashback 2012....which would make it post-flashback...
:confused:

orion

2008-05-01, 06:06

Yep, a pointy ear was sighted in Flashback 2012 at 5:52.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-01, 10:20

maybe contact with humanity triggered a hidden genetic cue that made them sprout pointy ears?

and make Meltran breasts grow bigger?

because back then they weren't as big as Emiya Jenius or Quran's!!! Female hormones kicking in after an absence of natural reproduction and 3,000+ yrs of stagnant cloning?

:p

Cadorna

2008-05-01, 10:38

welll maybe the female hormones are kicking because they are near mens now, or more close you cuold say

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-01, 10:41

welll maybe the female hormones are kicking because they are near mens now, or more close you cuold say

...or maybe because they are doing the cultural nookie like you see on the Galaxy Channel?

:D

dom33

2008-05-01, 21:07

@onizuka about the ears I recall the silent zentari drum playing woman from macross 7 having pointy ears.

as for the breast this is anime there are 10 year old girls with breast.

about ranka I like how the writers use her as a foil to sheryl.

Tak

2008-05-01, 21:23

as for the breast this is anime there are 10 year old girls with breast.

I would 'THINK' girls would have 'breasts' at the age of 10... although I have yet to identify anyone in 'this' anime who is '10'

about ranka I like how the writers use her as a foil to sheryl.

I am just waiting for a Sheryl/Ranka Duet.

- Tak

dom33

2008-05-01, 21:47

@tak when I mentioned 10 year old girls with breast I was refering to other anime series.

as for the duet we all are.

Manji Midou

2008-05-03, 16:16

Well after watching the 5 eps in a row, ranka is my favorite character so far...heres hoping for the best for her and that she puts up a fight ._./)
BTW....I love her phone....

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-03, 16:26

BTW....I love her phone....

She killed her phone. Poor frog thingy.:(

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-03, 17:10

She killed her phone. Poor frog thingy.:(

soft, squishy and cute technology isn't exactly durable....OR IS IT?!

:rolleyes::p

Flame-X

2008-05-03, 20:08

her voice is just... wow. i think she'll surpass sheryl in her singing career. can't wait for those vocal osts to come out. XD

Tak

2008-05-03, 20:23

her voice is just... wow. i think she'll surpass sheryl in her singing career. can't wait for those vocal osts to come out. XD

Absolutely, she pulled it off beautifully in Episode 5. Kudos to whoever made the casting selection.

As for surpassing Sheryl in any way would be a different matter altogether. She provides an excellent alternative, but comparing her to Sheryl is like comparing apples to oranges. I consider them both to be unique.

Still, nothing rules out a possible duet.

- Tak

nutype

2008-05-04, 02:04

SpaceDrake

2008-05-04, 19:53

I cannot believe I just noticed this.

Am I the only one who thinks that Ranka's eyes look very similar to the eyes that Sara and Mao have in Zero? HMMM.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-04, 20:08

ranka is actually the first loli character that's actually grown on me. Her voice person doing her voice is amazing and not in the league as the girl doing cheryl. I dont know how to put it.....her voice sounds sooo sweet that I actually enjoy listening to her pout and nag.

yeah me too.

I love her comparison with Minmay.

http://www3.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/9b57d0f47753e23400054b8793bbfdb33g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=c3dv1dmdydb&thumb=4)

Minmay Pose!! Remember Love?

:D

Ranka singing voice really does it for me too.

It's so fresh, its like we are seeing a contest between Macross 7 and Macross Plus singing style.

Who will win??!

:)

Well, Ranka thinks she knows.

http://www1.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4da4500df40b3863a314cb47b0563c7d3g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=njhoxi2ot09&thumb=4)

Victory!

:3

Who knows?

It's upon her staaaaaaar!

http://www4.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/e74bace8f2d08b62bad9744df885d07b3g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=1w5b0fqh0k4&thumb=4)

:p

FlareKnight

2008-05-04, 20:37

Felt like there was something special with Ranka singing. With the voice and poses really seems to come to life during those moments. Really is something when she gets singing and manages to step beyond that nervousness.

ani_d

2008-05-04, 20:49

orion

2008-05-05, 18:05

As for surpassing Sheryl in any way would be a different matter altogether. She provides an excellent alternative, but comparing her to Sheryl is like comparing apples to oranges. I consider them both to be unique.

- Tak

Well unless Sheryl demonstrates the ability to bring the Vajra back from the dead, then Ranka has already surpassed her. That's going past Basara in ability. :heh:

Turning that cellphone off was too funny. I bet she wished that she could do that to Ozma. :heh:

Edit: I wonder if Ranka is not following in Mylene's footsteps. I mean Mylene has a CD coming out again (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VTCL-60049) of her singing Minmei tunes and Ranka's singing Minmei tunes and having similar gestures.

vision33r

2008-05-06, 00:29

It all depends on the song they're singing. I admit, I didn't like Sheryl's voice when I first heard it, but after Diamond Crevasse, I appreciated her voice more. It fits her voice. When Sheryl's voice sang "What 'bout my star?", I thought it was a crappy song and didn't even recognize it as the same song Ranka sang at the mall. It's like Ranka gave life to it, and the song was really cute and fluffy lol It's one of those songs that you just can't get enough of.

And about Ranka's phone, she just turned it off, but it looked like it was KO'd. Other people don't like it, but I love that green thing. ^_^

I thought Sheryl's voice in "What 'bout my star?" was typical of those type of faster pace music. When you hear dance music on the radio, usually the vocal track is sped up to keep up with the tempo. The quality is not the same as just singing the song in Acappella.

Have you ever try holding a note while keeping up a 125bpm tempo? This is why dance music usually isn't about listening to the quality of each note being sung. You have to move as quickly as the melody shifts quickly as the tempo.

When Sheryl actually sings a normal tempo song, she is outstanding with Diamond Crevasse.

Her vocal range easily surpasses Ranka so far, I doubt Ranka can keep up with Sheryl in Diamond Crevasse.

cerrian

2008-05-06, 01:04

Her vocal range easily surpasses Ranka so far, I doubt Ranka can keep up with Sheryl in Diamond Crevasse.

Well to be fair with Ranka, so far we've only heard her sing 3 songs so far. They are "Aimo" in ep 2, "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" in ep 4, and "What About My Star" in ep 5.

Neither "Aimo" nor "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" required a significant vocal range from Ranka nor were either of them complex. Add to that the fact that the supporting music to both songs were "mild" and simplistic to say the least. "What 'bout My Star" is really the first time we've heard Ranka express a dynamic vocal range with a more complex melody.

Still, Sheryl's "Don't Be Late" and "Diamond Crevasse" blows Ranka's current performances out of the water. Let's hope that as Ranka matures into a more professional singer her songs will reflect that growth. As for Sheryl's "What 'bout My Star", it's been extremely difficult to make an opinion of it b/c it we haven't had a decent sample of it that hasn't been cut short or covered by chatter/sound effects.

orion

2008-05-06, 01:50

Ranka probably could give Sheryl a run for her money and probably surpass her in the future. That would be why Sheryl wasn't looking too happy. (Revenge is a dish best served cold.) In that mall where Ranka was singing nobody noticed Sheryl's presence even with her sunglasses off. And the audience was fixated on Ranka's singing and actually was clapping to the song.

Up until now Ranka wasn't going at it in earnest and she was a little on the insecure side which got reflected in her singing. Ep. 5 is finally showing Ranka's true potential. (Michael's scheme backfired for a change.) Ranka is still at the starting gate and needs more performances under her belt to build up that confidence level.

"Diamond Crevasse" isn't that complicated either. Ranka prob could do it.

Westlo

2008-05-06, 06:54

Why would Sheryl be unhappy with Ranka being popular? If anything her and Alto looked like proud parents (and Uncle Michael!) watching their daughter during that scene. Ranka wants to be like her, she went to Miss Macross inspired by her, she got a pep talk from her during Miss Macross and was told to follow in her footsteps. In addition to being the inspiration for it Sheryl's actually been the most supportive of Ranka musical career throughout the series so far.

I really don't know why you would take the following as being unhappy..

Sheryl "She finally came out of her shell. I said it before they come out on their own whim. *face changes* on their own whim..."

and than later on

"Heheh Ranka's becoming something too. Now I can go back to Galaxy without worrying".

As for Sheryl's "What 'bout My Star", it's been extremely difficult to make an opinion of it b/c it we haven't had a decent sample of it that hasn't been cut short or covered by chatter/sound effects.

It's also sung in a completely different manner to the Ranka version.. as much as Rankas vocals wouldn't go with the Studio version of it (tempo/bpm of the studio version is way too fast) neither would Sheryl's go with the Live performance of it. Of course both singers would switch styles if they places were traded. Even though I like the Ranka version better I still really dig the Sharon Apple vibe of the Sheryl version.

NoOneKnowS

2008-05-06, 10:07

Well its expected that Ranka's "What 'bout my star" version would be better than Sheryl's upbeat version. Ranaks version fits the mainstream listeners more. You know; the type of music thats very easy and light to hear. Unlike Sheryls' poppish ala Britney Spears version.

cerrian

2008-05-06, 10:27

"Diamond Crevasse" isn't that complicated either. Ranka prob could do it.

It just occurred to me that I need to put up a disclaimer when I talk about Diamond Crevasse b/c I've been listening to the full version so my perception might be slightly warped in comparison to those that have only heard the ED version. BTW, the full version.....holy shit it's good...much more than just an extension of the ED version and it doesn't have any of those transition artifacts from ED to full mode that you notice with other OPs and EDs songs.

Back on topic with Ranka, I'm hoping that we get some original songs out of her soon now that it looks like she's going to be signed up.

squaresphere

2008-05-06, 12:03

I want to see Ranka sing something original in a performance. At least we know that Sheryl writes her own stuff.

vision33r

2008-05-06, 21:31

Well to be fair with Ranka, so far we've only heard her sing 3 songs so far. They are "Aimo" in ep 2, "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" in ep 4, and "What About My Star" in ep 5.

Neither "Aimo" nor "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" required a significant vocal range from Ranka nor were either of them complex. Add to that the fact that the supporting music to both songs were "mild" and simplistic to say the least. "What 'bout My Star" is really the first time we've heard Ranka express a dynamic vocal range with a more complex melody.

Still, Sheryl's "Don't Be Late" and "Diamond Crevasse" blows Ranka's current performances out of the water. Let's hope that as Ranka matures into a more professional singer her songs will reflect that growth. As for Sheryl's "What 'bout My Star", it's been extremely difficult to make an opinion of it b/c it we haven't had a decent sample of it that hasn't been cut short or covered by chatter/sound effects.

I believe the actual singer for Ranka is just acting amateurish for now. No question she still has range when you hear Ranka's version "What about my star" but it's still too premature to say Ranka's singing voice actress is weaker.

I do stress that if you listen closely to Sheryl and Ranka, Sheryl has several dimensions vocally than Ranka's teenage idol-ish voice.

One sounds like a lady and the other sounds like a girl.

CaptGloval

2008-05-07, 08:05

I think Ranka's the second one with Zentradi blood that seems to be prone to dissociative amnesia. I remember Guld in Macross plus having supressed memories as well. What could this imply? Dunno, maybe just that I'm thinking too much :heh:

evil|plushie

2008-05-07, 08:47

Zentradis need to discover the culture of psychology?

ani_d

2008-05-11, 20:53

I believe the actual singer for Ranka is just acting amateurish for now. No question she still has range when you hear Ranka's version "What about my star" but it's still too premature to say Ranka's singing voice actress is weaker.

I do stress that if you listen closely to Sheryl and Ranka, Sheryl has several dimensions vocally than Ranka's teenage idol-ish voice.

One sounds like a lady and the other sounds like a girl.

Well, considering the fact that Ranka's VA won a National audition, of course she can do much better than what she's shown us so far. I'm pretty sure of it.;)

Ranka's dissociative amnesia is really intriguing though. I wonder if her personality will change if her old memories come back to her. I'm pretty interested to see some character development on her part.

cerrian

2008-05-11, 22:21

You got to wonder though, if she regains her memories will it strengthen her or will she break first and then rebuild her resolve?

ickem

2008-05-11, 22:40

Westlo

2008-05-11, 23:36

Yeah that's what I thought to as soon as I saw the subbed version, Sheryl was happy for Ranka and as episode 6 shows you're right about Sheryl's childhood.

Zap

2008-05-12, 07:26

Could Ranka be the love child between Guld Goa Boaman (half-zen) and Myung (songestress) one nighter? [after he saves her from the fire] of macruss plus??
...
and it would make her 1/4 zentran (but the age doesnt add up, she should be 18 not 15)

Maybe space folding is like faster-than-light travel in that time gets warped?

CaptGloval

2008-05-12, 07:57

You got to wonder though, if she regains her memories will it strengthen her or will she break first and then rebuild her resolve?
She could do a Guld :uhoh:

4Tran

2008-05-12, 09:29

You got to wonder though, if she regains her memories will it strengthen her or will she break first and then rebuild her resolve?
Ranka was all of five years old when the 117th Exploration Fleet was attacked; I doubt that getting her old memories back would change her character all that much.

Maybe space folding is like faster-than-light travel in that time gets warped?
With Zentradi fold technology, time is dilated so that a single day that passes in foldspace will mean that ten days have passed in real space. I don't know if human fold technology is the same, but I would presume so.

Jimmy C

2008-05-12, 11:49

In shows, there's always something important hidden inside those locked-away menories.

glyph

2008-05-12, 12:44

Ranka was all of five years old when the 117th Exploration Fleet was attacked; I doubt that getting her old memories back would change her character all that much.

With Zentradi fold technology, time is dilated so that a single day that passes in foldspace will mean that ten days have passed in real space. I don't know if human fold technology is the same, but I would presume so.

Well, fold operations apparently don't normally spend significant periods of time in foldspace.

The accidental fold from Earth to Pluto in SDF Macross was near instantaneous.

Isamu's fold from Eden to Earth arrived the same day for the final battle in Macross Plus, and if the map of the colonization routes in Frontier is to scale, Eden is relatively far from earth.

Likewise, the NUNS recon squadron in Episode 06 executed a ''short-range" 12 lightyear fold and arrived at most hours later in real time.

The reason for the 10 days from the long range fold was that the Bodolle Zer fleet was stationed in a far remote sector of the galaxy.

4Tran

2008-05-12, 14:15

In shows, there's always something important hidden inside those locked-away menories.
While that's certainly a possibility, I don't think that it'll make much difference to Ranka's personality. Given the way she's been characterized, there's tons of better devices for accomplishing that. On a personal note, I'd prefer it if her past doesn't have much impact at all to her character. She's too interesting for such ham-fisted storytelling to work very well.

Well, fold operations apparently don't normally spend significant periods of time in foldspace.
Before the introduction to episode 6, I would have thought that the time spent in foldspace was determined entirely by the distance travelled. This is a little less certain now, but I think that it's still the most important factor. We haven't seen all that many long-distance folds, so it's a bit speculative for now.

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 16:08

Where does Ranka go to school? I heard it was private school, but she was there at Alto's when the military was taking blood samples.

4Tran

2008-05-12, 16:28

Ranka probably still goes to an exclusive all-girls school (if they don't kick her out for her side job). Alto was kidnapped by Cathy to some military facility to take the blood test, so it stands to reason that Ranka was there for the same reason.

Tabris

2008-05-12, 18:39

There's also a sample of blood saying R. Lee next to A. Saotome :)

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-12, 21:25

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-13, 16:47

Screams Sara Nome to me.

what? Sara nome went to an All girls school?

when?

:confused:

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-13, 22:06

what? Sara nome went to an All girls school?

when?

:confused:

Sigh.. The reason why she was against blood test was...

she took one herself. The Anti-UN proffessor tricked her into taking her blood breaking taboos of her people.

Tak

2008-05-15, 17:28

Oh uh, this may be a bit belated, but Ranka's official romanized spelling is well, Lanca.

- Tak

C.A.

2008-05-15, 17:51

Oh uh, this may be a bit belated, but Ranka's official romanized spelling is well, Lanca.

- TakHmmm what's your source?

Because its spelled Ranka Lee in the ED sequence.

Realist_Classic

2008-05-15, 17:58

For those of us who have seen Episode 7...

just what was the thing that protrudes from Ranka's lower body at 13:12?

Westlo

2008-05-15, 18:08

I have no idea... that was weird as fuck.. stay away from her Alto lol...

TwilightHack

2008-05-15, 18:09

I asked that question in the episode thread awhile ago! I was hoping someone had an answer.

Realist_Classic

2008-05-15, 18:10

Yes, it seems like our up and coming songstress is alot more than meets the eye. :uhoh:

I have no idea... that was weird as fuck.. stay away from her Alto lol...

TwilightHack: Must've missed it. Waiting for the inevitable sh**storm to happen...

Zekori

2008-05-15, 18:28

For those of us who have seen Episode 7...

just what was the thing that protrudes from Ranka's lower body at 13:12?

I dunno, but imho I think we just ruled out her being an anima spirit user or whatever from m7.

Ranka = Vajra hive queen/Kerrigan from Starcraft :heh: j/k.. maybe

Tak

2008-05-15, 19:05

Hmmm what's your source?

Because its spelled Ranka Lee in the ED sequence.

You are right. Then we got this

http://gabrielarobin.com/191/macross-frontier-ost-1-available-through-amazon

Welp, its actually not that big of a deal. After all, the name Maxmillian Jenius have been spelled in numerous ways, such as Janus, Janis, or even Genius.

- Tak

C.A.

2008-05-15, 19:33

I see. At least it isn't bad like 'Raww'.

As someone watching subs, the episode 7 spoilers sound extremely weird to me lol.

SoldierOfDarkness

2008-05-15, 23:44

I asked that question in the episode thread awhile ago! I was hoping someone had an answer.

There's a very good reason why no one's answering it:heh:

apparently she gets "excited" by Sheryl's songs and such

No I'm kidding but yeah that was very weird...

ani_d

2008-05-16, 02:26

just what was the thing that protrudes from Ranka's lower body at 13:12?

Nothing was protruding. That was a crease when she grabbed her shirt. She glowed. Her belly area glowed.

Maybe Ranka has an implant? The narrator was talking about implants in the beginning afterall. Now, I think there is more to Sheryl's earrings than meets the eye.

TwilightHack

2008-05-16, 14:54

Nothing was protruding. That was a crease when she grabbed her shirt. She glowed. Her belly area glowed.

Maybe Ranka has an implant? The narrator was talking about implants in the beginning afterall. Now, I think there is more to Sheryl's earrings than meets the eye.
All my senses are telling me that wasn't a crease.

Anyways I'm curious about her character and how she'll develop in the future.

squaresphere

2008-05-19, 11:13

glyph

2008-05-19, 11:16

the glowy belly thing, creped me the hell out. I really hope there's some good explanation about it, cause right now it just seems freaky and unneeded.

I seriously just want to say
keep away from her, she's got a radioactive crotch:twitch:

I think's it's just passing concert lights as an excuse to focus on her hands, to highlight her "gripping her dress in determination" pose.

Ja-Y-Ce

2008-05-21, 00:06

Hmmm, similar to Sheryl's blog, there is a Ranka Lee's blog now...

http://ameblo.jp/rankalee

wonder will there be Alto's blog too? Hehz

Wesley84

2008-05-21, 00:16

If Alto has a blog, everyone will have one.

So why's she transfering schools?

Zekori

2008-05-21, 00:21

If Alto has a blog, everyone will have one.

So why's she transfering schools?

More than likely because the all-girl school regulations prohibits exhibits like the Miss Macross concert, or things that will get attention in general. Stupid reason, but there are places like that in real life.

cerrian

2008-05-21, 00:30

More than likely because the all-girl school regulations prohibits exhibits like the Miss Macross concert, or things that will get attention in general. Stupid reason, but there are places like that in real life.

If I'm not mistaken, Mihoshi Academy has an academic course in theater as well as in piloting. We know this because Alto originally enrolled into Mihoshi under the theater program. So if Ranka is going to persue a career in music performances, then she best attend a school that specializes in that field.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-21, 00:32

More likely that Ozma did this so she can be watched by his three dogs. (One is french poodle the other is a chiuawa. )

ani_d

2008-05-21, 01:21

More than likely because the all-girl school regulations prohibits exhibits like the Miss Macross concert, or things that will get attention in general. Stupid reason, but there are places like that in real life.

It's probably because contests like Miss Macross requires you to expose too much skin and it gives the school a bad reputation. Conservative much?

I got a couple of questions here. If Zentradi ages slowly, then does that mean Ranka does too, even if she's quarter? And let's say Ranka's "glowing" belly really was an implant. Can they be able to surgically remove it, or is it a permanent thing? If they already mentioned this in the show, I probably missed it.

Westlo

2008-05-21, 01:26

I'm looking forward to Luca's blog where he talks about Nanase's breasts every day.... as for the school move here's some infro from the latest newtype on Mihoshi Academy.

some more additional trivial stuff for spoilers ep 7-10

- Nanase is in performing arts. singing class scene in ep 8
- Mihoshi academy allows freedom of hairstyle, no restriction on how the uniform is worn, and even allows voluntary repeating a school year
- Mihoshi Academy put practicality as priority, completely modular, even freedom at skipping grades [explains why Luca becomes a classmate of his senpai/senior Alto in ep 6. Luca's target is probably Nanase tho tongue.gif]
- Learning Emergency First Aid skills is compulsory

squaresphere

2008-05-21, 10:36

I'm looking forward to Luca's blog where he talks about Nanase's breasts every day....

and Alto's hair. I'm sure sure he's in love with it :heh:

iamandragon

2008-05-21, 13:55

I'm usually reluctant to watch mecha series, but Macross Frontier and Code Geass Lelouch of the Rebellion is an exception. The later one because it has good art, and the other one...probably the music? I just can't get enough of them...

One question I've been welling up all the time: what on earth is Ranka's hair made of? It's making her look like a puppy!

squaresphere

2008-05-21, 13:57

I think that's the point, to give her more cuteness.

iamandragon

2008-05-22, 10:15

That's freaky! Anyways one more thing: I want a cell phone like hers!

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-22, 10:36

One question I've been welling up all the time: what on earth is Ranka's hair made of? It's making her look like a puppy!

The explaination is that she's a quarter Zentradi. We haven't seen Zentradi with moving hair like hers before though.

The only known moving hair in Macross is Mylene's pet gyuurashi Guvava.
Which looks like a tribble with eyes, two itsy bitsy feet and a tail.

Sure the furball emotes like Mylene but that doesn't count.

Then again Exsedol is hairless, greener with bigger head, and has two tentacles in Macross 7.

And bridge bunnies still see him as a eligible bachelor. :twitch::eyebrow::confused:

Anh_Minh

2008-05-22, 10:38

I'm of two minds about that phone. Sure, it's incredibly cool. But if it goes on like that, it'll be revealed it has a mind of its own and plans to take over the world with its brethren, by the might of their sheer awesomeness.

C.A.

2008-05-22, 10:41

Her phone is great, design wise.

Her phone is virtually indestructible. It won't damaged when dropped, crushed, thrown or beaten. Its like a stress ball.

Its waterproof, therefore washable. Soft, therefore fits in any bag, container or pocket comfortably.

Its 'skin' could be made of extremely high tech fabrics like nanocarbon cloth, which may save your life in rare chances. If you put in your chest pocket, it may save you from a chest stab or bullet to the heart.

Im sure the phone can come in any shape and size and will fit anyone. From stuff toys to skulls.

iamandragon

2008-05-22, 17:25

SymphonicRain

2008-05-22, 20:18

Or useful during lonely nights >.> <.<

iamandragon

2008-05-22, 22:27

*Scratches head for thinking dirty* No! I mustn't!

Seeing her phone reminds of Botan of CLANNAD the game....I won't be surprised when one day(episode) it started running...

LoweGear

2008-05-28, 05:44

Or useful during lonely nights >.> <.<

... perhaps why she chose that particular model of phone...

:nod:

*RUNS*

----

And Ranka Lee now has her own Social Group! :D

All Ranka Fans Join Up (http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=37)

Eidolon Sniper

2008-05-28, 09:10

:topicoff:

Hey Lowe does this mean we could all get exclusive Ranka little green phones and cute little backpacks looking like what Ranka uses? :heh:

Anh_Minh

2008-05-28, 09:13

Though the actual phone is too high tech for us, I guess a plush phone sleeve that looks like it could be possible. I wonder if they'll sell some? And rig it to make cute noises when it's squeezed?

Wesley84

2008-05-29, 14:59

:topicoff:

Hey Lowe does this mean we could all get exclusive Ranka little green phones and cute little backpacks looking like what Ranka uses? :heh:

I want her jammies.

encia

2008-06-01, 07:26

Did anyone notice Brera Sterne's eye color(EP09 ~14:53) is similar to Ranka's?

ani_d

2008-06-01, 19:05

Did anyone notice Brera Sterne's eye color(EP09 ~14:53) is similar to Ranka's?

Yes! I noticed. ^__^ He also has a yellow Greenish hair. It was the same color he had when he was on that hill. It wasn't just the sunset. Now that I've seen the subs for 9, he is definitely connected, not only to Ranka, but to the vajra.

Instead of talking about Ranka's jammies, I can't believe noone is discussing all of the shady stuffs about her. I am so intrigued by this girl's issues, and she has no idea something is coming her way. We clearly know more to her now compared to earlier episodes.:heh:

She and Brera--who is connected to the vajra--both know Aimo. Ranka attracts Vajra with her voice. Something glowed in Ranka's belly one time. (I'm having bad vibes about this. I don't think it's an implant anymore.) Ranka is supposed to be the only survivor in her family from that investigatory fleet. What did that fleet investigate? Not only that, Ranka also has an effect on Sheryl's earring. (The earring came from Sheryl's mother and it's her only memento of her.) Add the fact that Leon is wary of Ranka and possibly the president. Really, the only good thing I can see from all of this is that, the story sure has its eyes on Ranka who wants to be "heard" by everyone. Once she is "heard", what happens next?

This is also why I don't think Ranka's singing career will work. It would be really good if it did, but I don't see it lasting since people will probably notice something whenever she sings and will start boycotting her. I hope it doesn't come to that. I just don't see Ranka as the "savior" of this Vajra threat. She clearly has an opposite effect. It's sad especially if I recall what she said to Alto about wanting to tell everyone "she exists." If she is meant to sing, then is she also meant to attract Vajra?

As for ep. 10...

I want to think that the kiss scene with Alto is with Ranka even if we all know it's just going to get interrupted. I thought Ranka is bound to end up playing Mao Nome alongside Sheryl who is already playing Sara Nome but I guess I heard wrong =/ What bugs me is that, how come there is a kiss scene with Alto? I thought he was just a stuntman.

Swampstorm

2008-06-01, 19:48

She and Brera--who is connected to the vajra--both know Aimo. Ranka attracts Vajra with her voice. Something glowed in Ranka's belly one time. (I'm having bad vibes about this. I don't think it's an implant anymore.) Ranka is supposed to be the only survivor in her family from that investigatory fleet. What did that fleet investigate? Not only that, Ranka also has an effect on Sheryl's earring. (The earring came from Sheryl's mother and it's her only memento of her.) Add the fact that Leon is wary of Ranka and possibly the president. Really, the only good thing I can see from all of this is that, the story sure has its eyes on Ranka who wants to be "heard" by everyone. Once she is "heard", what happens next?
That depends largely on why Ranka wants to become a star. While it's clear that she looks up to Sheryl, that on its own isn't a complete reason. I think that an important element of Ranka's character growth will be in showing why she wants to be heard, and the message that she wants to share through her songs.

his is also why I don't think Ranka's singing career will work. It would be really good if it did, but I don't see it lasting since people will probably notice something whenever she sings and will start boycotting her. I hope it doesn't come to that. I just don't see Ranka as the "savior" of this Vajra threat. She clearly has an opposite effect. It's sad especially if I recall what she said to Alto about wanting to tell everyone "she exists." If she is meant to sing, then is she also meant to attract Vajra?
The quote you're looking for is from episode three. Ranka tells Alto that when they were trapped earlier in the episode, she felt that she wanted to be able to tell everyone that she exists. At which point Alto raises a critical point: in order to do so, Ranka must first tell them something about herself. Singing itself is just a medium for conveying feelings, and it's those feelings themselves that matter the most. It's not enough for Ranka to prove her existance; she has to find her reason for being, and through that, her own message.

As for ep. 10...

I want to think that the kiss scene with Alto is with Ranka even if we all know it's just going to get interrupted. I thought Ranka is bound to end up playing Mao Nome alongside Sheryl who is already playing Sara Nome but I guess I heard wrong =/ What bugs me is that, how come there is a kiss scene with Alto? I thought he was just a stuntman.
If you haven't seen it already, go watch Macross Zero episode three. It should become clear why such an event would require a stuntman.

I'll gladly go into it in more detail in the speculation thread or by pm, if you're especially curious.

cerrian

2008-06-01, 20:12

Ever notice how our lil' vajra pet and Ranka have similar hair color? Factor in the anti-gravity capability of her hair plus the fact she was part of the "research" fleet when first contact was made. Not to mention that the pet vajra keeps following Ranka around....do we have a walking, talking, singing hybrid vajra here?

Or more to the point, the story has now made it possible that our cute lil Ranka is really the human interface / controlling mechanism for a biological weapon platform.

Tsuchiro

2008-06-01, 20:25

ani_d

2008-06-02, 02:31

The quote you're looking for is from episode three. Ranka tells Alto that when they were trapped earlier in the episode, she felt that she wanted to be able to tell everyone that she exists. At which point Alto raises a critical point: in order to do so, Ranka must first tell them something about herself. Singing itself is just a medium for conveying feelings, and it's those feelings themselves that matter the most. It's not enough for Ranka to prove her existance; she has to find her reason for being, and through that, her own message.

We probably saw a different subbed version of that scene. In episode 3, I'm sure Alto told her that she wouldn't be able to tell everyone if she stayed the same way she is. For sure. He meant something like, "if you want to be heard, go out there and tell them." I think proving her existence is enough to convey her message. Proving one's own existence includes showing oneself to everyone. Besides, my point is, I find it sad that her ambitions are bound to get foiled because of her connections to Vajra.

If you haven't seen it already, go watch Macross Zero episode three. It should become clear why such an event would require a stuntman.

I'll gladly go into it in more detail in the speculation thread or by pm, if you're especially curious.

I checked out ep 3 Macross Zero just now. Thanks, I get it lol

Ever notice how our lil' vajra pet and Ranka have similar hair color? Factor in the anti-gravity capability of her hair plus the fact she was part of the "research" fleet when first contact was made. Not to mention that the pet vajra keeps following Ranka around....do we have a walking, talking, singing hybrid vajra here?

Or more to the point, the story has now made it possible that our cute lil Ranka is really the human interface / controlling mechanism for a biological weapon platform.

I hated Vajra after I saw how that egg hatched with that nasty slicking sound. Plus the sight of the nest. Nasty creatures. :| The baby Vajra that's following Ranka is probably bad news. It just looks harmless but I'm not going to be surprised if it's thinking "kill kill kill" behind those cute gestures.

If Ranka were to be used as a weapon against the Vajra, she will most likely be used as a bait material. I'm kind of iffy about the existence of this wonderful biological weapon that can manipulate her Vajra magnet abilities into something offensive.

encia

2008-06-02, 06:23

Ever notice how our lil' vajra pet and Ranka have similar hair color?

How do know the little green squeak is a vajra? Where's the spiral markings(refer to Macross Zero)?

glyph

2008-06-02, 06:44

How do know the little green squeak is a vajra? Where's the spiral markings(refer to Macross Zero)?

The Vajra sac hatching in the infested derelict shows they are born as three eyed critters.

Swampstorm

2008-06-02, 09:38

We probably saw a different subbed version of that scene. In episode 3, I'm sure Alto told her that she wouldn't be able to tell everyone if she stayed the same way she is. For sure. He meant something like, "if you want to be heard, go out there and tell them." I think proving her existence is enough to convey her message. Proving one's own existence includes showing oneself to everyone. Besides, my point is, I find it sad that her ambitions are bound to get foiled because of her connections to Vajra.
Well, given that Alto tells her that "It's impossible," just before, his next line can't be him telling Ranka what she needs to do to be heard (without first taking the previous statement back, of course). It would need to be Alto telling Ranka what she would have needed to have done, were it to have been possible for her. Just an issue of syntax. :p

I guess I should rephrase my ideas a bit. What is Ranka's message? Let's say that Ranka gets everyone's attention, and they finally notice her. What will she tell them? It could be something as simple as sharing her love of music, or something as complex as a desire to end the conflict with the Vajra, but it hasn't been made obvious yet.

I'd say that any connection that Ranka may have to the Vajra could very well give her a reason to come out of her shell and sing, in the first place.

I hated Vajra after I saw how that egg hatched with that nasty slicking sound. Plus the sight of the nest. Nasty creatures. :| The baby Vajra that's following Ranka is probably bad news. It just looks harmless but I'm not going to be surprised if it's thinking "kill kill kill" behind those cute gestures.
It's entirely possible that they're going for the "Dr. Frankenstein's monster" effect. Just because something looks monstrous doesn't necessarily mean that it's evil. Ranka's little friend probably represents the bridge between humans and Vajra. What do you think the odds are that it'll come to her rescue when it reaches adulthood? :heh:

Ranka should name it. That way she could say something like "<insert name here> is that you?"

ani_d

2008-06-02, 18:04

Well, given that Alto tells her that "It's impossible," just before, his next line can't be him telling Ranka what she needs to do to be heard (without first taking the previous statement back, of course). It would need to be Alto telling Ranka what she would have needed to have done, were it to have been possible for her. Just an issue of syntax. :p

I guess I should rephrase my ideas a bit. What is Ranka's message? Let's say that Ranka gets everyone's attention, and they finally notice her. What will she tell them? It could be something as simple as sharing her love of music, or something as complex as a desire to end the conflict with the Vajra, but it hasn't been made obvious yet.

I'd say that any connection that Ranka may have to the Vajra could very well give her a reason to come out of her shell and sing, in the first place.

For now, Ranka's message is clearly to let everyone know there is a person named Ranka Lee existing in the universe. I think that message alone is more than enough. It tells us many things about her. She doesn't want to die as a nobody. She doesn't want to be sheltered in her comfort shell. She wants to do what she loves--to sing. Should her connection to the Vajra deviates her initial reason to sing, I can see her giving up her dreams of becoming a top singer like Sheryl and sacrificing herself to lure Vajra away from the people she loves. This would also coincide with her dialogue from a spoiler preview.

"Goodbye, I loved you so much."

Somehow, I will both hate and love it once it comes to this.

It's entirely possible that they're going for the "Dr. Frankenstein's monster" effect. Just because something looks monstrous doesn't necessarily mean that it's evil. Ranka's little friend probably represents the bridge between humans and Vajra. What do you think the odds are that it'll come to her rescue when it reaches adulthood? :heh:

The odds of it becoming attached to Ranka once it matures is also good. Vajra vs Vajras? That would be a sight to see, and also heartbreaking if it gets shot down by Alto.

Ranka should name it. That way she could say something like "<insert name here> is that you?"

She might name it Nyan Nyan ^__^

encia

2008-06-04, 08:36

The Vajra sac hatching in the infested derelict shows they are born as three eyed critters.

Zola pet snake also has 3 eyes btw.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-06-04, 11:53

Yes indeed which the spiral markings found in Mayan island and the Birdman indicate that the Vajra is another Protoculture created organism.

Though Zolan snakes are intelligent and can read Protoculture writings.

Perhaps a colony established at the graveyard and birth place of space whales are not coincidence.

Upon dying space whale returns their lifeforce (spiritia) back to the planet Zola.

Space whales are the only known natural lifeform that can space fold.

Where the Vajra is an artificially created one.

Protoculture civilization started 500,000 years ago.

The White Whale is said to be a million years old.

Zola's surface was pock marked with craters which would indicate Zola was a target of the Protodevlin and their Supervision Army in the past.

Perhaps the Protoculture upon their retreat took their research on space whales with them.

Also perhaps their research about Anima Spiritia which led to the Protodevlin defeat.