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I got the impression that once it all fell into place when 'Zero' was about to stab Lelouch, she realized it must be Suzaku right away. I mean, who else could it have been?
She realized it.
"It can't be... what Lelouch and suzaku tried to do was..."
She knows who this zero is ^^
blottyparchment
2008-09-28, 12:05
I got the impression that once it all fell into place when 'Zero' was about to stab Lelouch, she realized it must be Suzaku right away. I mean, who else could it have been?
I guess so. Those impossible stunts 'Zero' pulled would be a dead giveaway to anyone who knew about Suzaku's hax skills :heh:
Well, at least, Kallen had her moment of revelations. Too late or not, that would be up to people to consider.
Considering how in the hell Suzaku managed to live, I can find it completely believeable Lelouch is out there somewhere for Kallen to find. She'd just need to get given the idea that he's out there to find.
WAIT. New idea. Code Geass : Endless Waltz.
Lelouch must come back from the *dead* because he must help save the world once again while a certain someone is sure he is alive somewhere *coughcoughZechs/Milliardocoughcough* .
God, I can predict the rage now...Lelouch turned into a Zechs/char clone for the sake of an OVA, nevermind the fact that Kallen is 20x better a character than noin
Kallen should have narrated the story more... I actually really liked how she narrated the beginning of the end.... just a thought to put out there :P
Considering how in the hell Suzaku managed to live, I can find it completely believeable Lelouch is out there somewhere for Kallen to find. She'd just need to get given the idea that he's out there to find.
WAIT. New idea. Code Geass : Endless Waltz.
Lelouch must come back from the *dead* because he must help save the world once again while a certain someone is sure he is alive somewhere *coughcoughZechs/Milliardocoughcough* .
God, I can predict the rage now...Lelouch turned into a Zechs/char clone for the sake of an OVA, nevermind the fact that Kallen is 20x better a character than noin
Well, I personally believe that he left everyone to go find a way to finally destroy Geass w/ C.C. He didn't tell anyone because (probably not even Suzaku) because he didn't want to involve them and to allow them to move forward (have a future, if you will :)). Although, Kallen's song seems to show she has an inkling he's alive somewhere.
There could be the premise of a sequal right there: Kallen goes and looks for him; we finally figure out if Lelouch loves C.C. or Kallen; at the end Geass is destroyed and he can return to his friends (it's not like he hasn't hidden his identity before, and the BKs and the leaders of Britannia both must know what he did).
blottyparchment
2008-09-28, 12:14
Considering how in the hell Suzaku managed to live, I can find it completely believeable Lelouch is out there somewhere for Kallen to find. She'd just need to get given the idea that he's out there to find.
I can imagine Kallen riding a bike dressed in a garb like the main char, Kino, from Kino's Journey, wearing shades, black gloves, and boots, going from place to place trying to pick up clues regarding Lelouch's whereabouts. She would always be hot on the trail but always a minute too late. Heck, I would like to see Kallen and C.C. as travel mates who are searching for Lelouch together, if Lelouch and C.C. aren't still together.
sparkle_14310
2008-09-28, 12:18
Wow I"m kinda sad with the ending thatr Lelouch "died" but I'm happy that his plan sorta worked and I kinda wonder though if Lelouch is alive that means Kallen, Suzaku and C.C will reunite or join forces to find him. It's weird that they didn't get to talk like many of us hoped but at least she realized the plan. And Gino didn't die like many thought he would he wasn't Suzaku savior either he was more help to Kallen than Suzaku.
blottyparchment
2008-09-28, 12:21
Wow I"m kinda sad with the ending thatr Lelouch "died" but I'm happy that his plan sorta worked and I kinda wonder though if Lelouch is alive that means Kallen, Suzaku and C.C will reunite or join forces to find him. It's weird that they didn't get to talk like many of us hoped but at least she realized the plan. And Gino didn't die like many thought he would he wasn't Suzaku savior either he was more help to Kallen than Suzaku.
A lot of things didn't go as many thought they would. This is the show that betrays all your hopes :heh:
The ending really gives you mixed feelings. Things can go both ways.
yeah there wasnt a gum line so who knows when that will ever be used, and the only person who would know if lelouch is alive is CC since he is connected to her through geass. He might be alive since CC has never spoken to the dead before so why would we assume she is now. Eh i hope for a picture drama or something that will solve the unanswered questions it left. I would love a movie or ova with the plot lelouch is with CC trying to get rid of geass
Witacume
2008-09-28, 12:39
yeah there wasnt a gum line so who knows when that will ever be used, and the only person who would know if lelouch is alive is CC since he is connected to her through geass. He might be alive since CC has never spoken to the dead before so why would we assume she is now. Eh i hope for a picture drama or something that will solve the unanswered questions it left. I would love a movie or ova with the plot lelouch is with CC trying to get rid of geass
well she was able to speak to people she gave geass too and to people who have some connection to geass.
Lelouch she gave geass too just like marianne.
but again this is speculating a lot lol.
Open endings FTW? FTL?
I'd say the ending is in and of itself incredibly vague for Kallen. If we go by pictures, since that is what everyone seems to be basing everything off of, then everyone has gone their seperate ways. And, when we go by Kallen's words at the end, she says everyone has moved on from the past. But with how her words are not in the past tense when talking about Lelouch, I'd say she isn't. Throw in the character song, and I'd say she is going to be Yoko V.2, living herself but also for the only man she ever loved.
Gino is China working under Tianzi. Nunally is serving as the face of Britannia. Ougi is the voice of Japan. Xing-ke is no longer in China as he is the commander of the Order, he cannot be with Tian-zi, which explains why his KMF is at the meeting between Nunally and Ougi (and why someone took his place, ie Gino).
I'd say of all the endings, Kallen's is the most clear cut. She is with her mother, 'living on' for Lelouch and herself. Whether or not her love was ever reciprocted... I don't think matters to her as she appears to believe it to be the case (much like how Shirley was only ever going to love Lelouch).
Witacume
2008-09-28, 12:45
I'd say the ending is in and of itself incredibly vague for Kallen. If we go by pictures, since that is what everyone seems to be basing everything off of, then everyone has gone their seperate ways. And, when we go by Kallen's words at the end, she says everyone has moved on from the past. But with how her words are not in the past tense when talking about Lelouch, I'd say she isn't. Throw in the character song, and I'd say she is going to be Yoko V.2, living herself but also for the only man she ever loved.
Gino is China working under Tianzi. Nunally is serving as the face of Britannia. Ougi is the voice of Japan. Xing-ke is no longer in China as he is the commander of the Order, he cannot be with Tian-zi, which explains why his KMF is at the meeting between Nunally and Ougi (and why someone took his place, ie Gino).
I'd say of all the endings, Kallen's is the most clear cut. She is with her mother, 'living on' for Lelouch and herself. Whether or not her love was ever reciprocted... I don't think matters to her as she appears to believe it to be the case (much like how Shirley was only ever going to love Lelouch).
I agree with this statement.
well she was able to speak to people she gave geass too and to people who have some connection to geass.
Lelouch she gave geass too just like marianne.
but again this is speculating a lot lol.
Open endings FTW? FTL?
yeah i know she can talk to ppl connected with geass which kinda proves the point he might be alive. To me believing he is alive and traveling with CC after saving the world seems more Satisfactory than what we got.
Ppl have been saying she is talking to dead lelouch even tho neither her or VV were ever shown to be able to communicate with the dead. Only charles was able to speak with the dead and i think that was mostly due from being at the SOA which was located in the world of C.
yeah i know she can talk to ppl connected with geass which kinda proves the point he might be alive. To me believing he is alive and traveling with CC after saving the world seems more Satisfactory than what we got.
Ppl have been saying she is talking to dead lelouch even tho neither her or VV were ever shown to be able to communicate with the dead. Only charles was able to speak with the dead and i think that was mostly due from being at the SOA which was located in the world of C.
And this again points us to the idea that Lelouch is alive for Kallen to find. Considering for most of Sunrise's major projects, there is at least 1 ova/movie, I think there will probably be one for Code Geass. What it will do and pertain to however is anyones guess, though most people feel it would center around
A) Kallen searching for Lelouch
B) Lelouch's quest to destroy the code & geass
I personally hope for C) Code Geass : Endless Waltz. Where Clovis' love child raises an a rebel britannian army for the glory of conquering the world!!!
Witacume
2008-09-28, 12:57
And this again points us to the idea that Lelouch is alive for Kallen to find. Considering for most of Sunrise's major projects, there is at least 1 ova/movie, I think there will probably be one for Code Geass. What it will do and pertain to however is anyones guess, though most people feel it would center around
A) Kallen searching for Lelouch
B) Lelouch's quest to destroy the code & geass
I personally hope for C) Code Geass : Endless Waltz. Where Clovis' love child raises an a rebel britannian army for the glory of conquering the world!!!
that would be awesome lol.
Lelouch comes back if hes not dead and stops him!
oh well only time will tell.
SonOfHeaven
2008-09-28, 12:58
So let me get this straight. Kallen's gum line was never said. All the debating everyone was doing for weeks ending up being a waste of time. Maybe it was a deleted scene or something?
Personally, I'm at this point thinking that Lelouch is with C.C. on a quest to destroy Geass. Whether anyone else knows about it is up in the air; I'm thinking not, at least not because of Lelouch. I think Kallen's words of the present tense indicate that she may have an inkling that something isn't right w/ how Lelouch died/C.C. disappeared and suspects something; her song would lend some credence to that. She is planning on moving forward and 'catching up with him someday.' (Because she FINALLY gets the real Lelouch and knows that he had an escape plan.)
So let me get this straight. Kallen's gum line was never said. All the debating everyone was doing for weeks ending up being a waste of time. Maybe it was a deleted scene or something?
Lot's of us are in agreement that the gum line was removed to make the ending more ambiguous about who Lelouch loved. It's possible that Lelouch and C.C. are travelling together hidden as lovers. OR Lelouch is travelling w/ C.C. for some other reason (like destroy Geass) and didn't tell Kallen because he loves her and wants her to move on rather than help in a quest that has no possible future. OR Lelouch died and is w/ Shirley.
It's possible that the gum line was supposed to be used in the Lelouch's death scene, but in the end Nunnally took place of Kallen (again, making the ending ambiguous).
Anyway, I like to think from Kallen's song that she knows somehow that Lelouch is alive and is going to follow him.
scarlet512
2008-09-28, 13:01
Honestly though, not going all Kallen-biased, I can absolutely say Code Geass is ranked as one of my top favourite animes. Kallen, of course, my favourite character. There's no other which makes me spend so much money buying her figures, phone chains, doujinshi, etc...
I suffered by getting 5 CCs in those ball machines before I could get a Kallen T.T
So let me get this straight. Kallen's gum line was never said. All the debating everyone was doing for weeks ending up being a waste of time. Maybe it was a deleted scene or something?
We are left with 2 possibilities (in this thread )
A) They purposefully deleted it to leave the show ambiguous & not pro-kallen
B) Its actually for an ova/movie which will come up and resolve the plot-holes not yet completed. Considering the possibility of her confronting him after thinking he was dead, the gumline would make sense (in comparison to when she was still raging at him).
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 13:02
So let me get this straight. Kallen's gum line was never said. All the debating everyone was doing for weeks ending up being a waste of time. Maybe it was a deleted scene or something?
Considering CC's, Nunally's and Anya's all were said, I would tend to believe that yes, it was in a deleted scene. But I am really wondering why they would delete a scene just because of a leak?
And yeah, all this energy debating for actually nothing... Nice troll on us Sunrise ! :heh:
Witacume
2008-09-28, 13:03
We are left with 2 possibilities (in this thread )
A) They purposefully deleted it to leave the show ambiguous & not pro-kallen
B) Its actually for an ova/movie which will come up and resolve the plot-holes not yet completed. Considering the possibility of her confronting him after thinking he was dead, the gumline would make sense (in comparison to when she was still raging at him).
yes.
For number it will be accompany by implied nake up sex XD.
Considering CC's, Nunally's and Anya's all were said, I would tend to believe that yes, it was in a deleted scene. But I am really wondering why they would delete a scene just because of a leak?
And yeah, all this energy debating for actually nothing... Nice troll on us Sunrise ! :heh:
I'm telling you!! They did it delibrately to screw w/ the fans. 'Accidental leak' indeed. :p
So let me get this straight. Kallen's gum line was never said. All the debating everyone was doing for weeks ending up being a waste of time. Maybe it was a deleted scene or something?
There's dirt coming up on 2ch and people are likely going to be looking an answer (some fans are crazy). The popular theory, right now, is that it was removed because Taniguchi raged at the leak and that the ending would not have been as... ambiguous, with the gumline spoiling the very ending. Time will tell what will come of it, but like with Season 1, if something was omitted it will eventually be revealed. (Kallen's kiss from Season 1 is a fine example.)
There's dirt coming up on 2ch and people are likely going to be looking an answer (some fans are crazy). The popular theory, right now, is that it was removed because Taniguchi raged at the leak and that the ending would not have been as... ambiguous, with the gumline spoiling the very ending. Time will tell what will come of it, but like with Season 1, if something was omitted it will eventually be revealed. (Kallen's kiss from Season 1 is a fine example.)
Wait, what kiss in season 1 O_o?
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 13:12
There's dirt coming up on 2ch and people are likely going to be looking an answer (some fans are crazy). The popular theory, right now, is that it was removed because Taniguchi raged at the leak and that the ending would not have been as... ambiguous, with the gumline spoiling the very ending. Time will tell what will come of it, but like with Season 1, if something was omitted it will eventually be revealed. (Kallen's kiss from Season 1 is a fine example.)
So because of an accidental leak we got screwed out of a proper conclusion? -.- Well atleast I liked the Kallen narrated epilogue and her Gurren key necklace.
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:13
There's dirt coming up on 2ch and people are likely going to be looking an answer (some fans are crazy). The popular theory, right now, is that it was removed because Taniguchi raged at the leak and that the ending would not have been as... ambiguous, with the gumline spoiling the very ending. Time will tell what will come of it, but like with Season 1, if something was omitted it will eventually be revealed. (Kallen's kiss from Season 1 is a fine example.)
It's ridiculous if that's merely because of a leak...
And why does it always have to be Kallen?
My theory is that Taniguchi got black-mailed by rabid SuzaLelou/LelouC.C./LelouchNunna fans after the leak...
So because of an accidental leak we got screwed out of a proper conclusion? -.- Well atleast I liked the Kallen narrated epilogue and her Gurren key necklace.
The best theory I've seen is that the gum-line was supposed to show that Lelouch loved Kallen, but also serve as their parting. (Which would explain the epilogue, and why she is narating as she was.) But also, at the end you would have had C.C. and Lelouch moving from the world, and Lelouch also shown to care for C.C. as well as she smiles.
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 13:16
Wait, what kiss in season 1 O_o?
There was a deleted scene in S1 where Lelouch (as Zero) should have kissed Kallen to give her some courage after the Narita incident
It's ridiculous if that's merely because of a leak...
And why does it always have to be Kallen?
My theory is that Taniguchi got black-mailed by rabid SuzaLelou/LelouC.C./LelouchNunna fans after the leak...
I completely agree with this. It is totally ridiculous of Taniguchi if it was really out of anger at the leak that he changed the ending....
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 13:16
Well, if it is true about the Gumline, because it was obviously taken out somewhere, They better explain it and why and where it was supposed to be.. that is hella messed up IMO..
Kallen still got good closure though..
And I am sure it will be cleared.. or it better be..
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:17
There was a deleted scene in S1 where Lelouch (as Zero) should have kissed Kallen to give her some courage after the Narita incident
I completely agree with this. It is totally ridiculous of Taniguchi if it was really out of anger at the leak that he changed the ending....
Well, Lelouche initiating a kiss would be priceless...
Instead we got 3 near kisses plus one probable tongue.
Our Win~
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 13:20
The best theory I've seen is that the gum-line was supposed to show that Lelouch loved Kallen, but also serve as their parting. (Which would explain the epilogue, and why she is narating as she was.) But also, at the end you would have had C.C. and Lelouch moving from the world, and Lelouch also shown to care for C.C. as well as she smiles.
So either way it is not really a clear cut conclusion? But really given all the Kallen and Lelouch teases this season it still left a bitter lump in my throat. But I guess I can live with it given how everything turned out. I just loved the scene of Lelouch's death.
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 13:21
Well, Lelouche initiating a kiss would be priceless...
Instead we got 3 near kisses plus one probable tongue.
Our Win~
Well we did saw him try to initiate one actually in episode 7 :heh:
But what was the 3rd near kiss?
Yes, our win~ :D
So either way it is not really a clear cut conclusion? But really given all the Kallen and Lelouch teases this season it still left a bitter lump in my throat. But I guess I can live with it given how everything turned out. I just loved the scene of Lelouch's death.
Its not clear cut but the ending would have been less ambiguous. We'd know Lelouch's fate, not guess out our asses, and we'd know that he loved both of them. Of course, then there'd be arguments of whom he loved more. But the ending would have been somewhat similar.
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:25
Well we did saw him try to initiate one actually in episode 7 :heh:
But what was the 3rd near kiss?
Yes, our win~ :D
S1 epi ?, which didn't count actually.
R2 epi 7
R2 epi 9
Lol, Kalulu was the hugest pairing bait I've ever seen in Anime history.
seriously i think sunrise or taniguchi will not explain what happen to kallen's gunline because it's not important to the overall plot
seriously i think sunrise or taniguchi will not explain what happen to kallen's gunline because it's not important to the overall plot
It's not about explaining, its about leaks. The kiss from Season 1 was leaked information, it was never actually released officially. This will be the same. The dirt comes up eventually.
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 13:29
Its not clear cut but the ending would have been less ambiguous. We'd know Lelouch's fate, not guess out our asses, and we'd know that he loved both of them. Of course, then there'd be arguments of whom he loved more. But the ending would have been somewhat similar.
I'd still say it is a pretty fair assumption to say that he treasured both of them. However as you said though we would still be arguing about who he loved more even if the ending was less ambiguous, unless of course he actually picked one of them. Either way unless he did make a choice about who he actually loved, aside from Nunally, I still wouldn't call it a satisfactory conclusion to it.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 13:30
It's not about explaining, its about leaks. The kiss from Season 1 was leaked information, it was never actually released officially. This will be the same. The dirt comes up eventually.
Yup.. now we have to wait for it.. I never thought that Lulu would say the line to Kallen as saying he loves her...
But after watching the episode, I think it was probable that was the scenario..
I guess they wanted everyone happy.. or the leak pissed them off..
and it doesn't matter if it wasn't important to the plot, fans are raging from what I hear..
And after Lulu and C.C, Kallen is the third most popular character usually.
Actually I hope we will learn c.c.'s birthname too
And also, imo, a promise scene between lelouch and c.c. before haveing him leaves to be killed.
It's pretty clear that Lelouch and C.C. do not meet again before he dies. Remember, Lelouch is notorious for failing to keep his promises. It's a major theme of the story. He simply cannot. He failed with Shirley, with Nunally, the Student Council. He only succeeded with Suzaku and, one could say, Kallen since she did survive and went back to Ashford.
But after watching the episode, I think it was probable that was the scenario..
and it doesn't matter if it wasn't important to the plot, fans are raging from what I hear..
'Raging' fails to explain some of the crap flying around on 2ch and the internet in general. A lot of people feel that Taniguchi simply trolled them and Kallen's character to some level.
From the last couple of episodes it was painfully obvious Lelouch loved CC...
It's pretty clear that Lelouch and C.C. do not meet again before he dies. Remember, Lelouch is notorious for failing to keep his promises. It's a major theme of the story. He simply cannot. He failed with Shirley, with Nunally, the Student Council. He only succeeded with Suzaku and, one could say, Kallen since she did survive and went back to Ashford.
IMO he should have kept this promise. well I am a c.c. fan so my opinion is biased :rolleyes:
I'm making up a little OVA in my head where Kallen and Suzaku chase after Lelouch and C.C. who are trying to find a way to destroy Geass forever. Kallen catches up, slaps him and then the gum line. It would be so sweet. (Even if it never happens.)
I'd still say it is a pretty fair assumption to say that he treasured both of them. However as you said though we would still be arguing about who he loved more even if the ending was less ambiguous, unless of course he actually picked one of them. Either way unless he did make a choice about who he actually loved, aside from Nunally, I still wouldn't call it a satisfactory conclusion to it.
Depends on what you consider satisfactory. Apparently, SUNRISE thinks satisfactory is an ending that is designed to be SO ambiguous that anyone can draw any conclusion from it to support their own ship, but because so many shippers are about winning/losing, it ended up satisfying no one. It takes alot of talent to craft an ending that neither confirms nor denies any possibilities. :heh::heh::heh:
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:32
He only succeeded with Suzaku and, one could say, Kallen since she did survive and went back to Ashford.
But the "together" part of the promise failed.
But the "together" part of the promise failed.
That's why I said 'could' its not really clear cut what the promise between them was. I'm more inclined to think that the Ashford promise/idea failed early on, and the the live on is the final promise between the two.
So thats the question. Was it axed because it was leaked information (as if the other gumlines werent -_-), or is there an ova/movie coming in which the line could come up in?
While theres obviously precedent for them removing it, I think it'd be asinine to do it twice over the same character, and not for others -_-. I think I'll hold out on my hope for an ova/movie for the time being, until we hear definitivly on why the gumline didn't make an appearence.
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:35
That's why I said 'could' its not really clear cut what the promise between them was. I'm more inclined to think that the Ashford promise/idea failed early on, and the the live on is the final promise between the two.
Zannen desu ne...
But Kallen-tan willing to live on (partly) for him is touching as well....
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 13:36
From the last couple of episodes it was painfully obvious Lelouch loved CC...
Yes...I think so too, but I think he loved Kallen, Nunally, Shirley, Suzaku too.. his love could be a type of universal kind you know? or he loved them each in a different way..
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 13:36
It's pretty clear that Lelouch and C.C. do not meet again before he dies. Remember, Lelouch is notorious for failing to keep his promises. It's a major theme of the story. He simply cannot. He failed with Shirley, with Nunally, the Student Council. He only succeeded with Suzaku and, one could say, Kallen since she did survive and went back to Ashford.
To be honest in Suzaku's case he also had Suzaku's "help" in going through with the promise and as for Kallen's it is more like she carried it with her and completed the promise of going back to Ashford for him.
about the gumline
honestly i remember that when some minutes of an early r2 episode were leaked i heard they were going to redo the episode because of that o_O
so i'm not gonna be surprised if they screwed with kallen because of the leaks
which makes me really MAD
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:39
Yes...I think so too, but I think he loved Kallen, Nunally, Shirley, Suzaku too.. his love could be a type of universal kind you know? or he loved them each in a different way..
Just translating AYS900-sama's rage at Lelouch's universal love:
How could Kallen be expressing such exaggerating emotions toward a man of universal love in her chara song?
about the gumline
honestly i remember that when some minutes of an early r2 episode were leaked i heard they were going to redo the episode because of that o_O
so i'm not gonna be surprised if they screwed with kallen because of the leaks
which makes me really MAD
It was the epi of LelouShir's date and Rolo's time stop geass, the final version didn't turn out to be different.
ok i will ask this if kallen would have said her gunline to lelouch and then he still chooses to be with cc would you be okay with that?
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 13:42
Just translating AYS900-sama's rage at Lelouch's universal love:
How could Kallen be expressing such exaggerating emotions toward a man of universal love in her chara song?
well that's why I said or maybe he loved them each differently?? :heh:
about the gumline
honestly i remember that when some minutes of an early r2 episode were leaked i heard they were going to redo the episode because of that o_O
so i'm not gonna be surprised if they screwed with kallen because of the leaks
which makes me really MAD
Yes, this is true... SIGH
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:42
ok i will ask this if kallen would have said her gunline to lelouch and then he still chooses to be with cc would you be okay with that?
Of course not.
But there was commitment between Lelouch and C.C..
Witacume
2008-09-28, 13:42
ok i will ask this if kallen would have said her gunline to lelouch and then he still chooses to be with cc would you be okay with that?
we will never know lol.
Again this is speculating on speculation.
Its pretty open adn most likely we won't ever know what happen.
It was the epi of LelouShir's date and Rolo's time stop geass, the final version didn't turn out to be different.
i know they probably didn't have time
but they consered to do it seriously
so if those spoilers about kallen were leacked at a later time before airing they probably redid the episode while they were still working on it not when it's about to be released
i don't know..i'm not very informed about that i just wanted to point out that it could happen because of a leak though it's really dumb
Zannen desu ne...
But Kallen-tan willing to live on (partly) for him is touching as well....
Just translating AYS900-sama's rage at Lelouch's universal love:
How could Kallen be expressing such exaggerating emotions toward a man of universal love in her chara song?
Something is missing, for both C.C. and Kallen. If the truth comes out that things were omitted and we find out what they were, or even if its in some extended version, Taniguchi may have shot himself in the foot, and CG between the eyes. If the ending was altered like this then people will seriously hate the show.
The character song no longer even makes sense. Which goes to say, again, that things were missing in this episode. Also, since the character songs are the reflection of the speaker's heart/mind, I'd say Kallen has Yoko beat in terms of commitment if she reached that point from Universal love.
Lolipopo
2008-09-28, 13:44
ok i will ask this if kallen would have said her gunline to lelouch and then he still chooses to be with cc would you be okay with that?
No more need to play; You know very well that if she had said her gum line she would have assumed he would have tell her that; So it was a win.
Even there I'm calling this a win, those pause on his flashbacks weren't there just to be pretty.
Now I want an answer to this gum line they annihilated their last reunion and this is hard, Kallen didn't deserved to see Lelouch been stabbed for the last time.
Kalulu all the way \o/ I'd have like to see something more clear but well...let's not irritate some fans tss...(the gum line !Kallen is assuming that he loves her but how ? She didn't saw flashbacks...-_-'')
Something is missing, for both C.C. and Kallen. If the truth comes out that things were omitted and we find out what they were, or even if its in some extended version, Taniguchi may have shot himself in the foot, and CG between the eyes. If the ending was altered like this then people will seriously hate the show.
The character song no longer even makes sense. Which goes to say, again, that things were missing in this episode.
So heres my question to you Tael. Considering Sunrise will give most of its projects an ova/movie, do you think Code Geass will get one, or do you think it will leave Kallen right where they left us at episode 25. Somewhat resolved, but plenty of holes and unresolved threads?
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:45
Something is missing, for both C.C. and Kallen. If the truth comes out that things were omitted and we find out what they were, or even if its in some extended version, Taniguchi may have shot himself in the foot, and CG between the eyes. If the ending was altered like this then people will seriously hate the show.
The character song no longer even makes sense. Which goes to say, again, that things were missing in this episode. Also, since the character songs are the reflection of the speaker's heart/mind, I'd say Kallen has Yoko beat in terms of commitment if she reached that point from Universal love.
Well, right now I see chara-songs as consolation prizes (though the 1st verse of Lelouch's REGENERATION screams Kalulu)
SonOfHeaven
2008-09-28, 13:47
ok i will ask this if kallen would have said her gunline to lelouch and then he still chooses to be with cc would you be okay with that?
Doesn't matter to me who Lelouch had romantic feelings toward either C.C. or Kallen. Though, I was hoping Kallen's gum line would have been said since she never really got a answer from Lelouch about the 'live on' line. I don't think silence was an answer.
I'm hoping the gum line was just an deleted scene and maybe it could show up one day. It had to come from somewhere.
So heres my question to you Tael. Considering Sunrise will give most of its projects an ova/movie, do you think Code Geass will get one, or do you think it will leave Kallen right where they left us at episode 25. Somewhat resolved, but plenty of holes and unresolved threads?
I don't know. Taniguchi isn't known for making movies to his works, but none have really ever ended so... open and with so many loose threads hanging all over. I'm more interested in if anything was actually changed and not so much what could possibly come later.
Well, right now I see chara-songs as consolation prizes (though the 1st verse of Lelouch's REGENERATION screams Turn 22's little mouth on mouth incident....)
Care to supply the lyrics in question?
Something is missing, for both C.C. and Kallen. If the truth comes out that things were omitted and we find out what they were, or even if its in some extended version, Taniguchi may have shot himself in the foot, and CG between the eyes. If the ending was altered like this then people will seriously hate the show.
The character song no longer even makes sense. Which goes to say, again, that things were missing in this episode.
I'll admit, the song really only makes sense if Kallen knows for sure that Lelouch loved her and she knew she could go after him someday. Makes me think the song was finished before the end of the show was finalized. Still, there was enough of a possibility left open that Lelouch was alive and loved Kallen and that Kallen somehow has an inkling that he's alive (possibly why she thinks of him in present tense), that such an ending is open to interpretation.
Honestly, I just think they tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one. But there is always the possibility of alternative/multiple endings or OVA, etc. We'll just have to wait.
Doesn't matter to me who Lelouch had romantic feelings toward either C.C. or Kallen. Though, I was hoping Kallen's gum line would have been said since she never really got a answer from Lelouch about the 'live on' line. I don't think silence was an answer.
I'm hoping the gum line was just an deleted scene and maybe it could show up one day. It had to come from somewhere.
Well, she didn't get an answer, but she did understand in the end. I'm just sad that she was never able to talk once more to Lelouch, but that would've made the ending unambiguous.
Witacume
2008-09-28, 13:49
I'll admit, the song really only makes sense if Kallen knows for sure that Lelouch loved her and she knew she could go after him someday. Makes me think the song was finished before the end of the show was finalized. Still, there was enough of a possibility left open that Lelouch was alive and loved Kallen and that Kallen somehow has an inkling that he's alive (possibly why she thinks of him in present tense), that such an ending is open to interpretation.
Honestly, I just think they tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one. But there is always the possibility of alternative/multiple endings or OVA, etc. We'll just have to wait.
Actually i am dowm with deleted scenes XD.
Sensibility was never played
add that too the BGM of the Kalulu moment
add the gumline
we get a deleted scene!
but what the point of her saying gunline if she isn't golng to be with him because he died?
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:50
沈黙主張する顔 情熱隠したままで
押さえつけられて生きるのか
奇跡手に入れるには 時に心捨てる
君の涙つらいけど
沈黙主張する顔 情熱隠したままで
押さえつけられて生きるのか
奇跡手に入れるには 時に心捨てる
君の涙つらいけど
Lol. Was this a Season 1 track?
Plot -> Ambiguous.
Character songs -> Kallen and Lelouch
Picture Dramas -> Unknown for the time being...
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:51
Lol. Was this a Season 1 track?
Season 2. Released some days before Turn 22.
Season 2. Released some days before Turn 22.
Oh good. Now I can really wonder what the fuck is going on behind the scenes. These character songs make my eyes spin. They are canon material, from the best of my knowledge, that reveals the inner thoughts of characters. But with how the story ended... they don't make complete sense anymore. :heh:
All of the Season 1 songs were congruous and fit the plot. Now, with a missing gum-line and C.C. and Lelouch promise, the Lelouch and Kallen songs don't make too much sense.
Lolipopo
2008-09-28, 13:56
Hey...mind to translate those lines of regeneration, guys ? :D
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 13:56
Oh good. Now I can really wonder what the fuck is going on behind the scenes. These character songs make my eyes spin. They are canon material, from the best of my knowledge, that reveals the inner thoughts of characters. But with how the story ended... they don't make complete sense anymore. :heh:
All of the Season 1 songs were congruous and fit the plot. Now, with a missing gum-line and C.C. and Lelouch promise, the Lelouch and Kallen songs don't make too much sense.
Can you understand those lyrics by any chance?
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 13:59
Can you understand those lyrics by any chance?
Well you know that regeneration was a "stoic" song, though I labeled it as "siscon".
Kallen's Platinum Soul was all lovey-dovey (our life!) over a certain someone (May he rest in peace!), while Lelouch's never end was full of angst and sisconness.
incorrupts
2008-09-28, 14:06
Well, she didn't get an answer, but she did understand in the end. I'm just sad that she was never able to talk once more to Lelouch, but that would've made the ending unambiguous.
Yeah and i think that kinda completes Kallen's "mission" in R2 which was to figure out the man behind the mask.
I wish they had a last convo as well but i don't know, it might be better this way? "^^
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 14:09
Its kinda funny how everyone knew Kallen would say the epilogue...or that they would make her narrate the end..
all i will say is some questions is better left not answered
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 14:10
Its kinda funny how everyone knew Kallen would say the epilogue...or that they would make her narrate the end..
But she did give the floor to C.C.~
all i will say is some questions is better left not answer?
Sorta?
reaper_unique
2008-09-28, 14:11
I'm making up a little OVA in my head where Kallen and Suzaku chase after Lelouch and C.C. who are trying to find a way to destroy Geass forever. Kallen catches up, slaps him and then the gum line. It would be so sweet. (Even if it never happens.)
Depends on what you consider satisfactory. Apparently, SUNRISE thinks satisfactory is an ending that is designed to be SO ambiguous that anyone can draw any conclusion from it to support their own ship, but because so many shippers are about winning/losing, it ended up satisfying no one. It takes alot of talent to craft an ending that neither confirms nor denies any possibilities. :heh::heh::heh:
please write it, I will read it with much joy :) and give Kallen and lulu a real heart to heart conversation, because that is something that bugs me the most of all, not having Kallen and lulu talk one last time
incorrupts
2008-09-28, 14:19
Its kinda funny how everyone knew Kallen would say the epilogue...or that they would make her narrate the end..
Best epilogue ever, starting with those gym-practice thingies. lawl
And btw, after Kallen said that "everyone blamed you essentially" she sighed after, that was sweet.
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 14:21
Best epilogue ever, starting with those gym-practice thingies. lawl
And btw, after Kallen said that "everyone blamed you essentially" she sighed after, that was sweet.
The bittersweet part for me in the epilogue was "You'll probably laugh and say 'just as planned'"
*Tears*
I've already dropped my AMV plans after this...
Best epilogue ever, starting with those gym-practice thingies. lawl
And btw, after Kallen said that "everyone blamed you essentially" she sighed after, that was sweet.
The dialogue is/was wierd. She speaks over everyone else in a pseudo-past tense in relation to how they felt/feel about Lelouch, but she herself speaks in the present.:heh:
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 14:23
The dialogue is/was wierd. She speaks over everyone else in a pseudo-past tense in relation to how they felt/feel about Lelouch, but she herself speaks in the present.:heh:
He'll always live...in her heart...
BTW, what's your version of REGENERATION?
incorrupts
2008-09-28, 14:23
The bittersweet part for me in the epilogue was "You'll probably laugh and say 'just as planned'"
Haha, true. That would be something Lelouch would say. XDD
He'll always live...in her heart...
BTW, what's your version of REGENERATION?
You mean my interpretation of the song?
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 14:26
You mean my interpretation of the song?
May I ask for Translations+Interpretation?
Doesn't make sense though, minna will enjoy any "textual criticism"...
ONEGAI~~~
May I ask for Translations+Interpretation?
Doesn't make sense though, minna will enjoy any "textual criticism"...
ONEGAI~~~
Well my interpretation on the verse is that he's talking about his love for someone. Who that is, I don't know. But the idea of 'hidden passion' really would make me lean towards him actively hiding his emotions from someone. With it being passion I don't think its to Nunally. The part about the tears and the heart, also don't seem to be pointing at Nunally, more like Kallen given Episode 19 and that torrent tears.
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 14:38
May I ask for Translations+Interpretation?
Doesn't make sense though, minna will enjoy any "textual criticism"...
ONEGAI~~~
Well my interpretation on the verse is that he's talking about his love for someone. Who that is, I don't know. But the idea of 'hidden passion' really would make me lean towards him actively hiding his emotions from someone. With it being passion I don't think its to Nunally. The part about the tears and the heart, also don't seem to be pointing at Nunally, more like Kallen given Episode 19 and that torrent tears.
Please guys, could one of you give us a translation (even rough) of the verse?
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 14:44
Please guys, could one of you give us a translation (even rough) of the verse?Google translation comes up with this:
Claims remain silent in the face hidden passion
Life was down?
Sometimes a miracle to get rid heart
But you bitter tears
In context, it's the typical habit they have of keeping these two apart. Sounds like unwanted separation. Now to comment on the episode in regards to Kallen.
It annoys me to no end that Kallen didn't even get to speak to Lelouch, though it also pleases me that she got the point of what he was doing while everyone around her did not. It shows she's finally realized Lelouch's true self. Unfortunately, it's posthumous... bastards. Her fight with Suzaku was also a plus. She got to fall knowing she won. Finally, she got her happy end, finally being herself as a normal student. Plus her mom is there.
brandon279
2008-09-28, 14:51
did kallen say her gum line ?
i didnt see it, so i ask to be sure,
and yeah, kallen defeated suzaku, she got her answer, and strange enough she understood it by her own.
did kallen say her gum line ?
i didnt see it, so i ask to be sure,
and yeah, kallen defeated suzaku, she got her answer, and strange enough she understood it by her own.
No. Theres plenty of speculation on why it wasn't said, but we won't know for sure for some time at least. Most of it revolves around it being omitted for plot reasons, Taniguchi raging against a leak, or it being included in an ova/movie instead of the show.
lousylaus
2008-09-28, 14:54
ya so much for that gum line huh.
As for her beating Suzaku, heh, both were trashed, except in the case of Suzaku it was pretty much part of the plan to have his Lancelot destroyed and make everyone believe he is dead.
did kallen say her gum line ?
i didnt see it, so i ask to be sure,
and yeah, kallen defeated suzaku, she got her answer, and strange enough she understood it by her own.
suzaku let her win to fake his death
ya so much for that gum line huh.
As for her beating Suzaku, heh, both were trashed, except in the case of Suzaku it was pretty much part of the plan to have his Lancelot destroyed and make everyone believe he is dead.
i dont think so
he was irritated he couldn't bring an end to this cause she was very strong (that means he wanted to defeat her not give in to her)
see the subs again while they battle
and gino confirmed kallen won
i'd like for those arguments about suzaku letting her win to stop
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 15:02
ya so much for that gum line huh.
As for her beating Suzaku, heh, both were trashed, except in the case of Suzaku it was pretty much part of the plan to have his Lancelot destroyed and make everyone believe he is dead.
A plan that worked so well that it took Kallen about 1 second to guess that Zero was Suzaku :heh:
And the Albion exploded, not the Guren ;)
brandon279
2008-09-28, 15:04
i dont think so
he was irritated he couldn't bring an end to this cause she was very strong (that means he wanted to defeat her not give in to her)
see the subs again while they battle
and gino confirmed kallen won
i'd like for those arguments about suzaku letting her win to stop
i thought that too, but what bothers me is:
1) his last attack was aimed to her gurren arms, not the chest( she targeted his chest) .
2) does Lancelot have ejection ?
suzaku let her win to fake his death
Where are you getting this from? Is there some conclusive evidence? His "live" geass command seemed to be kicking in full force, at best you can call it a stalemate.
i thought that too, but what bothers me is:
1) his last attack was aimed to her gurren arms, not the chest( she targeted his chest) .
2) does Lancelot have ejection ?
1. she was going to hit him with the claw so that her other arm can penetrate
2. i don't think so
In context, it's the typical habit they have of keeping these two apart.
Not necessarily these two. Could be several people. Lelouch separates himself from the world.
though it also pleases me that she got the point of what he was doing while everyone around her did not. It shows she's finally realized Lelouch's true self.
Actually, Tohdoh got it too if you watch again. The problem is we don't know who else got it because they only focused on her before Zerozaku started tearing crap up. Sorry.
Unfortunately, it's posthumous... bastards. Her fight with Suzaku was also a plus. She got to fall knowing she won. Finally, she got her happy end, finally being herself as a normal student. Plus her mom is there.
As long as you don't start spewing "her character development was for nothing" and "she wasn't essential at all!" like many people are. It was and she was. You just didn't get the ending you wanted.
This is what I don't get about Suzaku let her win argument.
1) Live Geass in full effect.
2) Suzaku going all out. I mean look at the battle. Who is he trying to make it look good for, Kallen? In contrast see Jeremiah's "one on one" with Zero.
3) They planned for Kallen to get to there and beat him? What if they were fighting over the ocean? What if Gino didn't let her in?
So the plan was not only did Suzaku have to lose to Kallen he had to knock her out to makes sure she didn't get to Lelouch and kill him? :confused:
Seems far fetched.
PlatinumSoul
2008-09-28, 15:11
Gino X Kallen...
Fail :|
It is a fail and a lot of people think it ended like that. It totally did not. Just because they stand next to eachother in one picture everyone suddenly thinks it's official. It annoys me how people can jump to such a conclusion with no support whatsoever.
Anh_Minh
2008-09-28, 15:15
2) does Lancelot have ejection ?
Probably, but there's no need. He's Suzaku. He can just jump.
It is a fail and a lot of people think it ended like that. It totally did not. Just because they stand next to eachother in one picture everyone suddenly thinks it's official. It annoys me how people can jump to such a conclusion with no support whatsoever.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6932/ginxkallenjz6.jpg
You're right, what was I thinking jumping to a conclusion like that??
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6932/ginxkallenjz6.jpg
You're right, what was I thinking jumping to a conclusion like that??
So?
He's not touching her at all.
She's just blocking the view of his hand
lousylaus
2008-09-28, 15:19
i dont think so
he was irritated he couldn't bring an end to this cause she was very strong (that means he wanted to defeat her not give in to her)
see the subs again while they battle
and gino confirmed kallen won
i'd like for those arguments about suzaku letting her win to stop
The whole fight has been a draw. Everytime one cut someone's else part the other would respond in the same way.
Deciding factor was the end blow. Kallen went for the kill, the other didn't seem to. He never went for the cockpit but was more trying to completely disable her without ending her life. And is that so hard to believe considering Suzaku has been sparing everyones life in 24.
I'm not saying he let her win tho. Just that his plan was to stop her but not necessarely kill her while she went for the cockpit and obviously the kill which is why 1 blew up and the other was just trashed.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6932/ginxkallenjz6.jpg
You're right, what was I thinking jumping to a conclusion like that??
Good lord. She doesn't talk about Gino (whos in CHINA) at all. She in her ending dialogue/monologue is talking to/about Lelouch. On a side note, I find it interesting that Klashikari mentioned in the episode thread he thinks lelouch is alive XD
So?
He's not touching her at all.
She's just blocking the view of his hand
I guess you're right, it's not obvious at all that both their hands disappear behind the other's back, or the fact they are "tilted" toward eachother such as a couple would be.
I guess you're right, it's not obvious at all that both their hands disappear behind the other's back, or the fact they are "tilted" toward eachother such as a couple would be.
Hey now, one ending can be ambiguous when the other under the same circumstances can be thrown out entirely! Don't you see how fan logic works? :) Only the ending you wanted was ambiguous.
I guess you're right, it's not obvious at all that both their hands disappear behind the other's back, or the fact they are "tilted" toward eachother such as a couple would be.
What? She hold her cheek with her right hand.
I guess you're right, it's not obvious at all that both their hands disappear behind the other's back, or the fact they are "tilted" toward eachother such as a couple would be.
You must be blind, because Kallen's are as close to Gino as Anya's. Kallen's hands are both visible infront of her.
Hey now, one ending can be ambiguous when the other under the same circumstances can be thrown out entirely! Don't you see how fan logic works? :) Only the ending you wanted was ambiguous.
I'm pretty sure making up facts, like Kallen holding Gino, is actually called: bullshit. Questioning a scene on the grounds that a key character line was missing, is called: inquiry. Seriously, calm down. It feels like you are purposefully trying to troll Kallen fans.
I guess you're right, it's not obvious at all that both their hands disappear behind the other's back, or the fact they are "tilted" toward eachother such as a couple would be.
Oh of course that IS what is happening. (sarcasam)
Hey have you considered the fact that Kallen was still thinking about Lelouch in the epilogue and Gino was in China?
some people still can't see her hand is on her cheek......
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 15:25
OK, stop the whole GinoXKallen hand thing.
Lelouch out of sight, and sooner or later out of mind.
Kallen could end up with anyone you like.
Hey now, one ending can be ambiguous when the other under the same circumstances can be thrown out entirely! Don't you see how fan logic works? :) Only the ending you wanted was ambiguous.
Oh please that is not what is happening.
You cannot possibly be comparing the non existent GinoXKallen interaction to the "resolution" to Leouch and Kallen's relationship at the end of the show.
For there to be ambiguity there had to be substance.
Oh please that is not what is happening.
You cannot possibly be comparing the non existent GinoXKallen interaction to the "resolution" to Leouch and Kallen's relationship at the end of the show.
For there to be ambiguity there had to be substance.
I'm not comparing that. I'm talking about "did Lelouch love Kallen?" vs. "Will Kallen finally move on like a normal freaking person and go with someone else?"
Doesn't need to be Gino. I think if the word of God went out and said that she and Gino or anyone else did hook up a year or two later, or even IF more conclusive evidence came out of whoever, I think Kalulu fans would STILL vehemently deny it.
incorrupts
2008-09-28, 15:29
some people still can't see her hand is on her cheek......
Or the fact that Kallen's monologue was about Lelouch, or how he smiled when she saw his pic but of course, a pic with Gino/Kallen standing close to each other makes it automatically canon. Gee, Nina is there as well, should we ship that too? Srsly people.
Double 120%
2008-09-28, 15:30
Both mechs were trashed and Kallen won, but by a paper-thin margin.
But that was part of Lelouch and Suzaku's plan.
some people still can't see her hand is on her cheek......
Here's my post from the image thread, like you said, Kallen has the same pose:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1939660&postcount=9643
And Vakir stop being a troll, you're simply nitpicking details. What most normal Kallen fans are saying that out of all the gum lines, hers was missing in the show, some spin it out of proportion just like the some CluClu shippers keep saying Lelouch is the 'mysterious' cart driver.
Let's look at the picture... AGAIN:
a) Kallen's pose is a simple copy from another artwork
b) Gino is known to be a bit too friendly with women
c) his left hand position is most likely due to his gesture
d) you can pretty much say if there is an attraction, it's one sided, Gino is lightly turned towards her, there's no similar gesture from her
I'm not comparing that. I'm talking about "did Lelouch love Kallen?" vs. "Will Kallen finally move on like a normal freaking person and go with someone else?"
Oh wait did you miss the people saying GinoXKallen = canon
Or the people saying GinoXKallen is confirmed using a picture that shows the opposite of what they claim.
I guess we're not supposed to refute those claims :rolleyes:
Yes those of you who don't like kalulu fandom. We get it. Please move on to the C.C board, where Lelouch is alive and he's with C.C making babies.
Doesn't need to be Gino. I think if the word of God went out and said that she and Gino or anyone else did hook up a year or two later, or even IF more conclusive evidence came out of whoever, I think Kalulu fans would STILL vehemently deny it.
Hey you can't deny the existence of canon, if word of god comes. But you have the right to hate it, very,very much.
Oh wait did you miss the people saying GinoXKallen = canon
Or the people saying GinoXKallen is confirmed using a picture that shows the opposite of what they claim.
I guess we're not supposed to refute those claims :rolleyes:
Why refute what may be supposed to rattle you? I don't even like that pairing but I could see it possible after he saved her skin. The wedding photo is able to be misinterpreted because of her noodle arms being difficult to see. So while some are trolls, I don't think it's necessary to be quite so defensive to all of them.
If you need to DEFEND the canon, something is very wrong.
Hey you can't deny the existence of canon, if word of god comes. But you have the right to hate it, very,very much.
You underestimate fandumb.
If you need to DEFEND the canon, something is very wrong.
You underestimate fandumb.
Your two lines contradict one another, or answer one another. Of course you have to defend the canon because of the fandumb. The canon is that Kallen is living with her mother and thinking of Lelouch. The end.
But people have turned a photo with her holding her cheek into Gino x Kallen.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 16:19
Ah... Kallen did end up with her mother.. I wonder if the new fans of the show, who never watched R1 know who she is.. lol..
Ah... Kallen did end up with her mother.. I wonder if the new fans of the show, who never watched R1 know who she is.. lol..
Good one sir, btw you won an argument:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1936558&postcount=14178
I think it's nice that they didn't just ditch her mother or gave her some magical cure.
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 16:28
Good one sir, btw you won an argument:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1936558&postcount=14178
I think it's nice that they didn't just ditch her mother or gave her some magical cure.
And we have a picture of the old organization with NAOTO turning his back to the camera!
I think if the word of God went out and said that she and Gino or anyone else did hook up a year or two later, or even IF more conclusive evidence came out of whoever, I think Kalulu fans would STILL vehemently deny it.
I'm going out on a limb here, but if Kallen ended up with Gino later on down the line I would rage simply because he is the most useless, stupid character ever. At least Anya had a purpose (even if it was weird...), Gino was just there because CLAMP needed a pretty Rounds member.
Seriously... I'd rather Kallen end up with Suzaku than Gino.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 16:32
Good one sir, btw you won an argument:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1936558&postcount=14178
I think it's nice that they didn't just ditch her mother or gave her some magical cure.
I am a Miss... :).. and I knew they wouldn't forget her..
Well I had a feeling Lulu
would die :(
prototype_sky
2008-09-28, 16:35
I'm going out on a limb here, but if Kallen ended up with Gino later on down the line I would rage simply because he is the most useless, stupid character ever. At least Anya had a purpose (even if it was weird...), Gino was just there because CLAMP needed a pretty Rounds member.
Seriously... I'd rather Kallen end up with Suzaku than Gino.
Haha now that Suzaku equals Zero its possible now :heh:
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 16:36
As soon as he started being evil that fate was pretty much sealed. I was hoping Kallen would get the chance to stop him before he carried that part out, but when Lulu sets his mind to it there's no stopping him.
I am a Miss... :).. and I knew they wouldn't forget her..
Well I had a feeling Lulu
would die :(
After watching the subs. I have to say that was one of the best self sacrifice scenes I've seen. It was done really well. And Kallen's face while she watched in horror was pretty heartbreaking as well.
Haha now that Suzaku equals Zero its possible now :heh:
Much more so than Gino x Kallen. I don't have much of a problem with the idea of Suzaku because they are both people who knew the reality. Gino, at this point, looks like a headless chicken just walking into things.
Simply put, Kallen is not going to have a life together with someone who hates Lelouch. It would tear her up to live like that, not sure why no one has said this yet.
After watching the subs. I have to say that was one of the best self sacrifice scenes I've seen. It was done really well. And Kallen's face while she watched in horror was pretty heartbreaking as well.
Which is why I'm of the impression that she is the Code Geass Yoko.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 16:39
After watching the subs. I have to say that was one of the best self sacrifice scenes I've seen. It was done really well. And Kallen's face while she watched in horror was pretty heartbreaking as well.
so you like the episode better right? do you think Kallen had good closure?
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 16:46
Simply put, Kallen is not going to have a life together with someone who hates Lelouch. It would tear her up to live like that, not sure why no one has said this yet.
Also in my opinion, for better or worst, she will always have her feelings towards Lelouch and it is something she will likely carry for the rest of her life. She'd need to be with someone who understands and accepts that as well. She may not die alone, I'd also doubt she would be with someone who hates Lelouch considering the sacrifice she knew he made.
so you like the episode better right? do you think Kallen had good closure?
I actually did like the episode a little bit more after seeing the subs. While there were many things I wasn't satisfied with, I can't deny there were some scenes I really enjoyed.
I would have preferred that Kallen had gotten to talk to Lelouch. And even though her magically figuring out the plan when she saw Zero was a little :eyespin:
Her saying "that's Zero" to Toudo and the pain on her face as she knew what was coming was great. She completely forgot the fact that she strapped tight as a prisoner. Everything went away as she watched Lelouch's life come to an end right before her eyes.
The epilogue was as most would have expected bitter sweet, and it was decent enough closure I suppose. I enjoyed how it was like she was writing a letter to Lelouch.
The "just as planned" line made me smirk as well.
There were probably three things I wanted/wished out the finale.
1) Kallen understanding Lelouch in the end
2) Kallen not getting with Gino
3 Kalulu confirmation.
To quote Meatloaf Two out of Three ain't bad.
On a Non-Kallen side note. Lelouch declaring his dominance over the world was epic win. Especially the All-Hail Lelouch chant from the troops.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 16:56
I actually did like the episode a little bit more after seeing the subs. While there were many things I wasn't satisfied with, I can't deny there were some scenes I really enjoyed.
I would have preferred that Kallen had gotten to talk to Lelouch. And even though her magically figuring out the plan when she saw Zero was a little :eyespin:
Her saying "that's Zero" to Toudo and the pain on her face as she knew what was coming was great. She completely forgot the fact that she strapped tight as a prisoner. Everything went away as she watched Lelouch's life come to an end right before her eyes.
The epilogue was as most would have expected bitter sweet, and it was decent enough closure I suppose. I enjoyed how it was like she was writing a letter to Lelouch.
The "just as planned" line made me smirk as well.
There were probably three things I wanted/wished out the finale.
1) Kallen understanding Lelouch in the end
2) Kallen not getting with Gino
3 Kalulu confirmation.
To quote Meatloaf Two out of Three ain't bad.
On a Non-Kallen side note. Lelouch declaring his dominance over the world was epic win. Especially the All-Hail Lelouch chant from the troops.
Yeah... sigh.. well number your number three is up to interpretation...
I loved the just as planned smirk too.. the ending was so bittersweet... sigh
I actually did like the episode a little bit more after seeing the subs. While there were many things I wasn't satisfied with, I can't deny there were some scenes I really enjoyed.
I would have preferred that Kallen had gotten to talk to Lelouch. And even though her magically figuring out the plan when she saw Zero was a little :eyespin:
Her saying "that's Zero" to Toudo and the pain on her face as she knew what was coming was great. She completely forgot the fact that she strapped tight as a prisoner. Everything went away as she watched Lelouch's life come to an end right before her eyes.
The epilogue was as most would have expected bitter sweet, and it was decent enough closure I suppose. I enjoyed how it was like she was writing a letter to Lelouch.
The "just as planned" line made me smirk as well.
There were probably three things I wanted/wished out the finale.
1) Kallen understanding Lelouch in the end
2) Kallen not getting with Gino
3 Kalulu confirmation.
To quote Meatloaf Two out of Three ain't bad.
On a Non-Kallen side note. Lelouch declaring his dominance over the world was epic win. Especially the All-Hail Lelouch chant from the troops.
Number one would've been the most likely to happen IMO, just one last talk with Lelouch before his death would've made a big difference.
I think you misunderstand yvj's post. Those are the 3 things he wanted to happen.
1 & 2 happened. 3 (for the most part) did not. Thats why he said two of three aint bad. In any case, I was surprised they remembered Kallens mother. That kinda threw me off with how many other things were conveniently left out of the show -_-
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 17:12
She deserved something at least. Kallen wouldn't have been happy alone, so her mother needed to be there since Lelouch had to take himself out of the world he made.
incorrupts
2008-09-28, 17:13
I was surprised they remembered Kallens mother. That kinda threw me off with how many other things were conveniently left out of the show -_-
Yeah that was a pleasant surprise. ^^
But srsly, how many times have we seen Kallen so happy for such a long period of time? XDD
It was really an awesome ending for her, reuniting with her mama, seeing her brother's dream come true and doing what Lulu said to her, to live on.
So how are the loyal Kalulu fans doing? Finally got some sleep after that ep. 25 vigil and seems there is a bit of optimism, not just for us, but for everyone. Even most if not all our banned buddies are back again. :)
Here's a discussion point:
Kallen R2 Episode 7 after slapping Lelouch when he asked her to "comfort him:"
"Snap out of it Lelouch! You're Zero right now! You carry the responsibility of showing us a dream! Then... keep your lie up until the very end! This time, perform Zero's act... flawlessly!" - Eclipse sub
In retrospect, those words are chilling. He really did give her everything she wanted... but himself... :T_T:
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:15
Yeah that was a pleasant surprise. ^^
But srsly, how many times have we seen Kallen so happy for such a long period of time? XDD
It was really an awesome ending for her, reuniting with her mama, seeing her brother's dream come true and doing what Lulu said to her, to live on.
Yes, It was a nice ending for her..:)
better than what most people feared..
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 17:15
That one part leaves this ending horribly bittersweet. Her kiss was one of the first things on his mind when he was dying, though to be fair the order is roughly chronological.
So how are the loyal Kalulu fans doing? Finally got some sleep after that ep. 25 vigil and seems there is a bit of optimism, not just for us, but for everyone. Even most if not all our banned buddies are back again. :)
Here's a discussion point:
Kallen R2 Episode 7 after slapping Lelouch when he asked her to "comfort him:"
"Snap out of it Lelouch! You're Zero right now! You carry the responsibility of showing us a dream! Then... keep your lie up until the very end! This time, perform Zero's act... flawlessly!" - Eclipse sub
In retrospect, those words are chilling. He really did give her everything she wanted... but himself... :T_T:
Heh. Some of us are holding out for an ova/movie *real* end. The bitterness of the unsaid gumline still echoes occasionally in the boards, and that probably won't see any resolution until they directly address it. Which could take awhile -_-
SonOfHeaven
2008-09-28, 17:18
So how are the loyal Kalulu fans doing? Finally got some sleep after that ep. 25 vigil and seems there is a bit of optimism, not just for us, but for everyone. Even most if not all our banned buddies are back again. :)
Here's a discussion point:
Kallen R2 Episode 7 after slapping Lelouch when he asked her to "comfort him:"
"Snap out of it Lelouch! You're Zero right now! You carry the responsibility of showing us a dream! Then... keep your lie up until the very end! This time, perform Zero's act... flawlessly!" - Eclipse sub
In retrospect, those words are chilling. He really did give her everything she wanted... but himself... :T_T:
I actually feel pretty good about the ending. I only wished that Lelouch and Kallen could have spoken one another one more time though after what happened in 22.
I actually feel pretty good about the ending. I only wished that Lelouch and Kallen could have spoken one another one more time though after what happened in 22.
Well if you enjoy rumors:
Flying around on 2ch is that an omitted scene (and gum line) was to be the final confrontation between them but it was omitted for not being ambiguous enough, and Taniguchi being pissy about a leak. People have reasoned that a missing scene between them would better explain the epilogue, and also how she can just so conveniently figure out the entire plan in a fraction of a second when she could never do it before.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:23
wasn't this episode shorter than normal? or was that just me thinking that?
wasn't this episode shorter than normal? or was that just me thinking that?
I believe it was four minutes shorter than normal. Not really sure and I can't check at the moment.
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 17:24
Well if you enjoy rumors:
Flying around on 2ch is that an omitted scene (and gum line) was to be the final confrontation between them but it was omitted for not being ambiguous enough, and Taniguchi being pissy about a leak. People have reasoned that a missing scene between them would better explain the epilogue, and also how she can just so conveniently figure out the entire plan in a fraction of a second when she could never do it before.
That would be interesting, but unfortunately the bold part makes it a lot less likely :heh:
incorrupts
2008-09-28, 17:24
Well if you enjoy rumors:
Flying around on 2ch is that an omitted scene (and gum line) was to be the final confrontation between them but it was omitted for not being ambiguous enough, and Taniguchi being pissy about a leak. People have reasoned that a missing scene between them would better explain the epilogue, and also how she can just so conveniently figure out the entire plan in a fraction of a second when she could never do it before.
I don't usually go for whatever flying-thingie flies around 2ch but the lack of gumline was something..unexpected. So i won't dismiss this theory completely.
That would be interesting, but unfortunately the bold part makes it a lot less likely :heh:
I don't usually go for whatever flying-thingie flies around 2ch but the lack of gumline was something..unexpected. So i won't dismiss this theory completely.
2ch is merely a reference, this theory is appearing all over Japanese boards.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:25
I believe it was four minutes shorter than normal. Not really sure and I can't check at the moment.
WHOa.. if that true.. then they probably did omitted a scene somewhere.. why would they make the last episode that much shorter.. Sigh.. unless they wanted it shorter? :confused:
and actually there was talk in 2ch and other boards I believe, that the gum line will probably be removed. .and what do you know? they were right.. who knows though
wasn't this episode shorter than normal? or was that just me thinking that?
It seemed that way, but no. It ran about the same time as the others (~24 min) according to my cache of Eclipse subs.
It seemed that way, but no. It ran about the same time as the others (~24 min)
Hum, all right then.
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 17:27
2ch is merely a reference, this theory is appearing all over Japanese boards.
I got it. They are baiting us to buy the DVDs or the BDs....
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 17:28
2ch is merely a reference, this theory is appearing all over Japanese boards.
Oh, ok. So I guess it might be possible. But I guess we would have to wait for an official announcement to actually know what happened to that gumline.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:28
I got it. They are baiting us to buy the DVDs or the BDs....
LOL.. that would be funny if it is in the DVD.. some fans would be pissed, but hey the already bought it.. lol
Oh, ok. So I guess it might be possible. But I guess we would have to wait for an official announcement to actually know what happened to that gumline.
Exactly.. they should address the issue.. supposedly lots of fans are pissed...
I got it. They are baiting us to buy the DVDs or the BDs....
A lot of people are thinking this, actually. Especially since broadcasting companies were apperantely running slightly different endings (not sure what that is about though). People are assuming its a marketing ploy to buy more DVD or BluRays.
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 17:30
Part of me hopes such a thing is true, and another doesn't. I'll be so pissed if they dumped such a scene for leaks or to include it as an extra.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:31
A lot of people are thinking this, actually. Especially since broadcasting companies were apperantely running slightly different endings (not sure what that is about though). People are assuming its a marketing ploy to buy more DVD or BluRays.
YOu mean there was a scene of Lulu's hair and eyes in one of the endings? OMg..
A lot of people are thinking this, actually. Especially since broadcasting companies were apperantely running slightly different endings (not sure what that is about though). People are assuming its a marketing ploy to buy more DVD or BluRays.
Of course. It's brilliant from a marketing standpoint. Doesn't matter if it's an OVA, a movie, or alternate endings on DVD or BluRays. People will fork out hard cash to see more, especially since we know a lot of stuff is missing.
Wouldn't there be another interview with Taniguchi possibly having him actually tell us if there is a deleted scene?
YOu mean there was a scene of Lulu's hair and eyes in one of the endings? OMg..
Quite sure those were fan-made.
Revolutionist
2008-09-28, 17:32
So wait, according to the rumors that line was supposed to be said before or after his death?
So wait, according to the rumors that line was supposed to be said before or after his death?
Most likely before his death...
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:33
Of course. It's brilliant from a marketing standpoint. Doesn't matter if it's an OVA, a movie, or alternate endings on DVD or BluRays. People will fork out hard cash to see more, especially since we know a lot of stuff is missing.
But doesn't this mean that essentially they put more of their heads into where the money will be made instead of the actual story? :uhoh:
So wait, according to the rumors that line was supposed to be said before or after his death?
Before, it would serve as a transition between Kallen going from 'must kill' to 'don't kill him', and suddenly understanding everything in the blink of an eye.
I believe it was four minutes shorter than normal. Not really sure and I can't check at the moment.
Eclipse ep 23: 23:49s (ending 22:02s)
Eclipse ep 25: 23:54s (ending 22:25s)
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:35
Wouldn't there be another interview with Taniguchi possibly having him actually tell us if there is a deleted scene?
Yes, and talk about the ending.. and clear up things.. so hopefully answers will be provided.. unless he decides to give ambiguous comments.. :rolleyes:
@ Narona thanks for clearing that up :)
crimmy88
2008-09-28, 17:36
YOu mean there was a scene of Lulu's hair and eyes in one of the endings? OMg..
i tihnk that scene was proven to be fanmade
So how are the loyal Kalulu fans doing? Finally got some sleep after that ep. 25 vigil and seems there is a bit of optimism, not just for us, but for everyone. Even most if not all our banned buddies are back again. :)
I think it's relatively positive once people realize the ending is so open, any fan can make anything work from it. It's really only the people who are concerned about winning/losing that are pissed off.
Depending on how you interpret the ending:
1) Lelouch has a Code and lives. Loves C.C. and goes off w/ her into hiding.
2) Lelouch has a Code and lives. Loves Kallen, but goes w/ C.C. (presumably to destroy Geass) with no intention to see her again because he wants her to move on. Kallen's referring to him in present tense and her character song make it possible that she feels he's alive and wants to follow him.
3) Lelouch died. Shirley or Euphemia is reunited w/ him in the afterlife (weird, but some people say it). :D
The missing gum line does make me think that they were going to put it in (possibly when Lelouch was dying w/ Nunnally) but cut the scene because is was too unambiguous. Or it was 'leaked' to mind screw w/ us. Makes me sad that she didn't get a last talk w/ him, but it leaves the ending open, which could be a good thing. Hopefully, we'll get an explaination OR something extra (picture drama, sound episode, OVA, deleted scene, etc.) to explain the lines abscence.
youngde, signing off.
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 17:37
But doesn't this mean that essentially they put more of their heads into where the money will be made instead of the actual story? :uhoh:
That's the market. My dear.
Yet I can see them dismissing/denying the whole gumline idea.
Poor Kallen. If only she were the female lead...
I found her case similar to Suzaku's.
Lead's nature. (rather hot-blooded and less depending on IQ)
Lead's circumstance. (meeting up with someone unexpectedly, and getting kickin' ass mechas)
But not the actual lead.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:38
I don't think it will ever be a deleted scene in a DVD sadly, the most, if we are lucky, is why they decided not to have her say her damn key line..
But I have to admit, they did a good job in pleasing most of the fans by leaving it so ambiguous.. but I wonder if that was their intention..
dec4rhapsody
2008-09-28, 17:39
I don't think it will ever be a deleted scene in a DVD sadly, the most, if we are lucky, is why they decided not to have her say her damn key line..
Well, her signature key line is already "sayonara, ruruushu"
Well, her signature key line is already "sayonara, ruruushu"
That was pretty much the last thing she ever said to him :T_T:
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 17:45
Unless you want to count screaming his name in vain or narrating to his spirit.
But I have to admit, they did a good job in pleasing most of the fans by leaving it so ambiguous.. but I wonder if that was their intention..
It was. Otherwise she wouldn't have been initially confused at all at Lelouch's death scene if they had a final confrontation where he gave her closure. He didn't give Nunnally anything as she was laying down on stairs painfully. He regards Nunnally higher than he does Kallen.
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 17:57
It was. Otherwise she wouldn't have been initially confused at all at Lelouch's death scene if they had a final confrontation where he gave her closure. He didn't give Nunnally anything as she was laying down on stairs painfully. He regards Nunnally higher than he does Kallen.
I think so.... yes, he regards Nunnally higher than anyone.. which is why I think he isn't alive, IMO he would be hiding with her.. but whatever... we can only wait till the stupid creators give us some confirmation on something about the ending..
But I have to admit, they did a good job in pleasing most of the fans by leaving it so ambiguous.. but I wonder if that was their intention..
I'm not actually sure they *pleased* most of the fans lol O_o . I'm pretty sure most are pissed as hell towards
1) Ambiguity
2) Loose threads all over the place
3) Lack of the gumline
4) C.C. not getting resolved (though this is also part of 2).
They left so much undone its kinda sad >.<
Yes, they gave us requiem, the big ending. Everything else has enough ambiguous hints to keep us guessing right up until they either A) announce stuff in an interview B) Announce an OVA/Movie C) Create an ungodly amount of sound/picture dramas
NoLongerSane
2008-09-28, 17:59
In all actuallity, I was a bit skeptical on how the writers would end her character development at the end of the series. I was releieved at the ending that she got. She got her wish in a free Japan and is able to live her life with her real personality rather than that mask she had on in R1. Upon seeing the part when she realises on what Lelouch was doing at the end, in her eyes at that time you could see that she was a bit hurt that those two did not trust her enough to bring her in on the Zero Requiem. But if you were to think about it, both Lelouch and Suzaku would not want her to be apart of what they were doing. Lelouch for the reason that he care for her so much that he would not want any more blood spilt for him by her. Suzaku for the reason that he enjoyed seeing her real personality rather than the mask she was wearing at school. If she were to have helped out, she would have been force to put on another mask and live life that way permenantly.
I'm not actually sure they *pleased* most of the fans lol O_o . I'm pretty sure most are pissed as hell towards
1) Ambiguity
There is no ambiguity in this ending beyond Lelouch's survival, and that's hazy at best.
2) Loose threads all over the place
Examples? No Kalulu end does not equal loose threads.
3) Lack of the gumline
He would need to act evil to her just like he would to Nunnally. Nunnally > Kallen. If she said her gumline, she wouldn't get a straight answer. No closure for you. Hell, it is the very LACK of closure that gives Kallen her development in the end and prevents chickification of her character.
4) C.C. not getting resolved (though this is also part of 2).
In the event Lelouch is not driving the NICE CART LOL, she is moved by the kind of man he was and therefore feels compelled to keep living while she keeps talking to him via World of C.
They left so much undone its kinda sad >.<
Yes, they gave us requiem, the big ending. Everything else has enough ambiguous hints to keep us guessing right up until they either A) announce stuff in an interview B) Announce an OVA/Movie C) Create an ungodly amount of sound/picture dramas
What was left undone, exactly?
There is no ambiguity in this ending beyond Lelouch's survival, and that's hazy at best.
Examples? No Kalulu end does not equal loose threads.
He would need to act evil to her just like he would to Nunnally. Nunnally > Kallen. If she said her gumline, she wouldn't get a straight answer. No closure for you. Hell, it is the very LACK of closure that gives Kallen her development in the end and prevents chickification of her character.
In the event Lelouch is not driving the NICE CART LOL, she is moved by the kind of man he was and therefore feels compelled to keep living while she keeps talking to him via World of C.
What was left undone, exactly?
1) Ambiguity : Is lelouch alive? Is he dead?
2) Loose threads : What happened to sayoko? Will/did C.C. lose her code? Will Geass be removed from the earth? Why did Jeremiah allow lelouch to be killed?
3) This line is supposed to be central to her character and it is left out. For what reason? All the characters had theirs said and were able to fit into the plot. Why was *hers specifically* not yet said? Lack of closure gives her development? What gave her the most insight in this episode was watching Suzaku stab Lelouch in the chest -_-, not lack of closure.
4) We've already established that C.C. couldn't talk with those that were *dead* in the world of the C, but that she could talk with those she's made links with. She just happened to do this with Marianne the most. Now it appears She's doing it with Lelouch, and not just sort of talking to thin air.
5) again for the undone, Geass itself, C.C.'s smile, Kallen's gumline
Personally, I think the ambiguity in the survival of Lelouch was meant to appease the romance fans vs. the fans that believed Lelouch would receive retribution for his deeds (on himself, not those he loved like all through series). Then the romance fans could cling to the hope that he's alive...and w/ C.C. (that pleases the CluClu, obviously), but Kallen's narration makes it clear she still loves him, and her character song makes reference to 'catching up someday,' (and is conveniently released coinciding w/ the ending, allowing Kalulu fans to have hope has well).
Problem is, by leaving it so open, they seem to have really pissed people off. (Make me wonder if they actually have a sequal/OVA planned since the Geass plot was never really resolved and the future of Lelouch, C.C. and Kallen (due to her song) are left in a state of limbo.)
Well, one can hope. At least there should be some interesting drama CDs and picture dramas.
I'm not actually sure they *pleased* most of the fans lol O_o . I'm pretty sure most are pissed as hell towards
1) Ambiguity
2) Loose threads all over the place
3) Lack of the gumline
4) C.C. not getting resolved (though this is also part of 2).
They left so much undone its kinda sad >.<
Yes, they gave us requiem, the big ending. Everything else has enough ambiguous hints to keep us guessing right up until they either A) announce stuff in an interview B) Announce an OVA/Movie C) Create an ungodly amount of sound/picture dramas
2.) In addition to what everyone else has said:
- C.C.'s real name.
- Geass's origins
- Did anyone else besides Kallen, Nunally, and Toudou on the "opposing side" figure out what Lelouch was planning all along?
- Wasn't Charles's VA on the cast list for this last episode?
- World government/organization? Yeah, technically it's supposed to be unified under the UFN, but it could use some more clarification.
Personally I think Lelouch being alive would kind of lessen the impact of many things, that includes Nunnaly's scene with Lelouch where she finally saw the truth and her declaration that all she wanted was to be together with him. Suzaku's punishment (I'm pretty sure the crux of the punishment was him having to kill Lelouch.) C.C crying at the Church and Kallen's horror at seeing him die and then her eventual new found resolve to live on.
2.) In addition to what everyone else has said:
- C.C.'s real name.
- Geass's origins
- Did anyone else besides Kallen, Nunally, and Toudou on the "opposing side" figure out what Lelouch was planning all along?
- Wasn't Charles's VA on the cast list for this last episode?
- World government/organization? Yeah, technically it's supposed to be unified under the UFN, but it could use some more clarification.
- V.V.'s origin of immortality
2.) In addition to what everyone else has said:
- C.C.'s real name.
- Geass's origins
- Did anyone else besides Kallen, Nunally, and Toudou on the "opposing side" figure out what Lelouch was planning all along?- Wasn't Charles's VA on the cast list for this last episode?
- World government/organization? Yeah, technically it's supposed to be unified under the UFN, but it could use some more clarification.
By the way Ougi and Tamaki seemed to be protesting, I think they, at least realize that they were WAY off about Lelouch. Tian Zi looking away makes me think she realized too (and Xing Ke too probably). Kaguya probably figured it out since C.C. pointed out that she understood part of Lelouch's true nature (I find it interesting that when it briefly flashes to the BKs watching Lelouch collapsed, the only two they show are Kallen and Kaguya.)
2.) In addition to what everyone else has said:
- C.C.'s real name.
- Geass's origins
- Did anyone else besides Kallen, Nunally, and Toudou on the "opposing side" figure out what Lelouch was planning all along?
- Wasn't Charles's VA on the cast list for this last episode?
- World government/organization? Yeah, technically it's supposed to be unified under the UFN, but it could use some more clarification.
Nonnette... I'm surprised she didn't appear on the orange farm atleast just standing around. ><
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 18:56
Personally I think Lelouch being alive would kind of lessen the impact of many things, that includes Nunnaly's scene with Lelouch where she finally saw the truth and her declaration that all she wanted was to be together with him. Suzaku's punishment (I'm pretty sure the crux of the punishment was him having to kill Lelouch.) C.C crying at the Church and Kallen's horror at seeing him die and then her eventual new found resolve to live on.
Honestly, I think that was the first time I ever teared up for an anime death scene.... my god.. it was so emotional.. Nunnally's screams were so tragic.. :(...
Kallen, Suzaku, C.C were all crying..
- Xing-ke's fate
and so on...
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 18:58
- Xing-ke's fate
and so on...
LOL.. I wonder how long this list is going to go..
Skellington2612
2008-09-28, 19:01
I just wached the subs...
That Nunally seen shouting really touches me... poor loli...
Yes, I think itīs an open ending... Iīm sad because I would have prefered a closure...
Did you notice that when Suzaku and Kallen are talking while fighting Kallen has the same ideas as Lelouch and Suzaku the same as Nunally... that really made me happy... and she sill believed in what he thought just differed in the part about geass...
It was sad that when Lulu "died" she was hold and couldnīt go to his body...
So I guess Nunally canīt never walk??
I the next dvd already out?
LOL.. I wonder how long this list is going to go..If someone wanted to do a full list there'll be a lot of work.. :heh:
Baixinho
2008-09-28, 19:06
LOL.. I wonder how long this list is going to go..
- what exactly happened between Lloyd and Rakashta, and why was Lloyd broken from the start?
- How did Anya react after recovering her memories?
- What happened to Rivalz and Nina in the end?
- Where is Kallen's father?
...
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 19:07
Kallen and her mother seem to be living in a humble apartment...... its crazy to think she used to live in a huge mansion before..
Personally I think Lelouch being alive would kind of lessen the impact of many things, that includes Nunnaly's scene with Lelouch where she finally saw the truth and her declaration that all she wanted was to be together with him. Suzaku's punishment (I'm pretty sure the crux of the punishment was him having to kill Lelouch.) C.C crying at the Church and Kallen's horror at seeing him die and then her eventual new found resolve to live on.
After watching it (just the end) w/ the subs one more time. I say it works on both ways. If he truly died, then it's the logical end to the actions he committed. At least those closest to him would know the truth (Kallen and Tohdoh, at least of the BKs figured it out AND I would assume Nina would clue in his other friends). Does make me wonder what Nunnally's relationship w/ Suzaku is now; he's w/ her constantly, but is she honked off at him? Does she realize it was a punishiment for him, too? Also, makes me a little sadder for Kallen since she'll never see him again, but the fact that she's moving forward makes me happy (even if she ended up w/ Gino....NOTE: ONLY if Lelouch is REALLY DEAD).
If he is alive, I think that C.C. would be crying knowing that Lelouch is giving up all the people he loves to go w/ her (either because of romance, or his promise, or a quest to destroy Geass, etc.) It might hurt her even more if she knows that he loved Kallen and not her--romantically, at least--and is leaving Kallen behind because he loves her. C.C. once told Kallen that Lelouch wouldn't involve the person he truly loves in his plans after all. (ATTENTION SHIPPERS: not saying this is true, just speculation). It works on this level, because it still allows Lelouch to be punished for his sins (i.e., separation from the people he loves, allowing them to know what he did, but having them believe he's dead to they can move on). It also shows that he may be taking on a final responsibility (i.e., the destruction of Geass). I like this way a little better because w/ Kallen's character song, it makes it sound like she will find him one day......and well, Kalulu Forever!!!
But overall, I like the ending either way. Would've preferred a last scene between Lelouch and Kallen and the gum line, but that would've probably been unambiguous, which seems to be what they were going for.
Oh well,
youngde, signing off.
Kallen and her mother seem to be living in a humble apartment...... its crazy to think she used to live in a huge mansion before..
Lol, make you wonder on why the Ougi got a privildeged to be a PM. :heh:
If someone wanted to do a full list there'll be a lot of work.. :heh:
Is Gilford blind? He has a blind person's walking stick and next thing you know he's running out with a gun >_<
lovecakecookies
2008-09-28, 19:12
Lol, make you wonder on why the Ougi got a privildeged to be a PM. :heh:
Maybe he was the one that provided the space? lol
Is Gilford blind? He has a blind person's walking stick and next thing you know he's running out with a gun >_<
Cornelia just tells him, 'Shoot in that general direction!!!' Suffice to say, he's no good in battle where there's alot of mixing it up. :heh:
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 19:22
Lol, make you wonder on why the Ougi got a privildeged to be a PM. :heh:
Well if Kallen had wanted it, without a doubt she would be a high ranking officer in the Black Knights atleast. But she is keeping her promise with Lelouch and living on and going back to Ashford. Although it makes you wonder where the hell her father is -.-
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 19:30
Well if Kallen had wanted it, without a doubt she would be a high ranking officer in the Black Knights atleast. But she is keeping her promise with Lelouch and living on and going back to Ashford. Although it makes you wonder where the hell her father is -.-Probably doing his own thing. It would seem Kallen set herself up with just her mother instead of going back.
Probably doing his own thing. It would seem Kallen set herself up with just her mother instead of going back.
Yeah, I bet her step-mother probably packed up shop and headed for the mainland britannia after the first failed Black Rebellion (Like most of Ashford) . Kallen's mother is probably the only family left in Japan
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 19:36
Probably doing his own thing. It would seem Kallen set herself up with just her mother instead of going back.
Well he seems to care about Kallen so I am wondering if he is paying for their apartment as well. A highschool student would have a hard time paying for an apartment like that as well as living expenses and it doesn't look like her mom is up for working yet.
yeah she used to live in like a huge mansion. Now looks like she is in an apartment with her mom.
yeah she used to live in like a huge mansion. Now looks like she is in an apartment with her mom.
Wouldn't surprise me if she gave up all that stuff after everything was said and done
Well he seems to care about Kallen so I am wondering if he is paying for their apartment as well. A highschool student would have a hard time paying for an apartment like that as well as living expenses and it doesn't look like her mom is up for working yet.
Her friends run the fricking world. They all, especially Ohgi, want her to live this life. I'm sure they'd gladly chip in some money not only because they care about her, but because I'm sure they realize who she lost and it helps to salve their own guilt.
Skellington2612
2008-09-28, 19:45
If the spoiler thread is closed, where are we going to read if thereīs extra information??
like some leaks from the producers or about the picture and sound dramas?
I think we might get a good picture drama about kallen, and the things that werenīt answered...
haha yeah seriously and its not like suzaku and nunnally would just leave her to rott considering she was basically lelouchs love so i am sure she has nothing to worry about for the rest of her life. She is just living on for lelouch and fulfilling her promise to be with her mom, go back to school, and live life to the fullest
If the spoiler thread is closed, where are we going to read if thereīs extra information??
like some leaks from the producers or about the picture and sound dramas?
I think we might get a good picture drama about kallen, and the things that werenīt answered...
Aside from Character specific information ending up in the charactter threads, the "general discussion" thread will probably actually get some traffic now XD
However, theres also the chance that if any new information hits, someone will request a new thread in the "Request a new thread" Thread. And if its major enough information, it might get its own...thread.
To Arkard : You're absolutlely right lol. She personally knows the people running China, the UFN, Japan...she knows all the right people. She's probably NOT going to get a normal job after schools over XD
At least she woke up in time to realize what Lelouch was really up too. There's also no indication that she ended up with Gino. All in all, she still loves him and has moved on to a life he wanted for her in the first place. I just wish there could be stronger evidence for Lelouch returning Kallen's love.
Well, I have a theory that the Stadtfeld family fortunes may have plummited when it was found out the heir was a 'terrorist.' I mean, the Ashford family fell just because their benefactor was killed. Although, Nunnally probably restored it, I guess. (Ashfords, too, for that matter.)
I mean, I would assume that Kallen's father has to care for her on some level. He really didn't have any obligation apparently to take her in (or her mother for that matter). I mean, there was never any mention that her mother blackmailed him or something into it by threatening to expose him. Even if she did, if he were a typical Britannian hot shot, he would've have found a more 'permenant solution.' Also, for as much as she hates Britannians, Kallen did get pissed at her step-mom for 'enjoying herself' while he's away.
My guess is that Kallen's father understood that Kallen and her mother couldn't live in that situation anymore and that Kallen had grown into someone that needed to walk on her own rather than live in such opulence. Still, I think he probably helps out a little. (Maybe we'll at least get a picture drama or something about her father...although I would rather have one where she says her gum line :)).
Granted, once she's done w/ school (for the sake of Lelouch), I have this theory that, to promote relations between Japan and Britannia, she becomes a liason officer between the two nations, serving the duel roles of Ace of the BKs and as Nunnally's KoO (unless Suzaku does it).
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 19:55
At least she woke up in time to realize what Lelouch was really up too. There's also no indication that she ended up with Gino. All in all, she still loves him and has moved on to a life he wanted for her in the first place. I just wish there could be stronger evidence for Lelouch returning Kallen's love.Asking too much I'm afraid, though that annoys me too. In the end, I think they had to keep them apart. Lelouch needed to keep everyone away to go through with the plan as he did. I doubt he would be willing to put Kallen through that if she was by his side.
eh it was made pretty obv to me from ep 22 and 25 that he loved her, and she at the end was still in love with him or she would not have kept the promise the 2 made.
eh it was made pretty obv to me from ep 22 and 25 that he loved her, and she at the end was still in love with him or she would not have kept the promise the 2 made.
Well, the shot where he's kissing Kallen is one of the longest pauses while his life flashes before his eyes, so I think it's a safe bet. I think that if she had been allowed to get close, that's where the gum line would have gone...but it would have stolen the moment from Nunally and made the ending unambiguous, so I can understand why they did it. I just wish they had had one more moment (since if he's dead, her 'talking' to him seems so sad).
But if he IS alive, then there a chance she could see him again. As to why he would leave Kallen like that, the only reason I can think of (if he loved her) is that he wants her to move on and he's going to live in exile OR he's on a quest to destroy Geass and like C.C. once told Kallen, he would never involve the woman he truly loves in his plan (I think it was in an audio drama). He may never be able to return, but maybe Kallen could go after him. I want to see them all firing off fireworks (w/ some extra for Shirley and Rolo :().
I think the fact that she keeps the Guren key around her neck (which Lelouch gave her is cute too).
Lulu and CC in the end. Just like I said since day one.
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 20:13
But if he IS alive, then there a chance she could see him again. As to why he would leave Kallen like that, the only reason I can think of (if he loved her) is that he wants her to move on and he's going to live in exile OR he's on a quest to destroy Geass and like C.C. once told Kallen, he would never involve the woman he truly loves in his plan (I think it was in an audio drama). He may never be able to return, but maybe Kallen could go after him. I want to see them all firing off fireworks (w/ some extra for Shirley and Rolo :().
I think the fact that she keeps the Guren key around her neck (which Lelouch gave her is cute too).
Hypothetically speaking, I'd say that if he was still alive the reason he did not contact Kallen was likely just that. He would basically be forced to live his life in exile because of the hatred he manipulated the world into directing towards him. Hiding his face, perhaps not even being able to live in one place too long. That is likely not a life he want to drag Kallen into.
SoldierOfDarkness
2008-09-28, 20:15
But if he IS alive, then there a chance she could see him again. As to why he would leave Kallen like that, the only reason I can think of (if he loved her) is that he wants her to move on and he's going to live in exile OR he's on a quest to destroy Geass and like C.C. once told Kallen, he would never involve the woman he truly loves in his plan (I think it was in an audio drama). He may never be able to return, but maybe Kallen could go after him. I want to see them all firing off fireworks (w/ some extra for Shirley and Rolo :(). .
For the record he never said anything about destroying geass.
He just wanted to destroy the cult itself and restrict Geass to one person only. CC lives because he can't kill her anyways.
linkinstreet
2008-09-28, 20:15
F***ing shit. Went back home for aidilfitri holidays just to found out that my phone service provider is crap and I CAN'T USE DIAL UP!!! Now I missed the last ep, and has to go to town to get internut
Anyways, from what I picked up in various spoiler sites, I see that she still believes in Lelouch up to the end (;A;), she keep her promise with him, and I still believe she still loves him
AND THANK GOD SHE DOES NOT END WITH GINO
Signing off for another week or so, but mark my words, I will come back and fight here when I got my internet backLulu and CC in the end. Just like I said since day one.Go back to your cave troll. this is the Kallen thread
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 20:19
For the record he never said anything about destroying geass.
He just wanted to destroy the cult itself and restrict Geass to one person only. CC lives because he can't kill her anyways.
I also think it is quit evident that from what Lelouch says to Suzaku that he does not believe Geass to be a curse. The way Suzaku said he accepted Lelouch's "Geass" as well also made me think that they atleast think of the power in a more positive light then before.
actually i dont think living in exile wouldnt be too hard for lelouch at this point. Everyone thinks he is dead so they arent looking for him. So as long as he stayed in some country side in Australia he'd be fine
actually i dont think living in exile wouldnt be too hard for lelouch at this point. Everyone thinks he is dead so they arent looking for him. So as long as he stayed in some country side in Australia he'd be fine
And he'd once again be lying to Nunnaly and Kallen.
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 20:24
actually i dont think living in exile wouldnt be too hard for lelouch at this point. Everyone thinks he is dead so they arent looking for him. So as long as he stayed in some country side in Australia he'd be fine
Well the world knows what he looks like as his face was plastered everywhere, but again this is only hypothetical.
linkinstreet
2008-09-28, 20:24
We still don't know what happens to him. He might be still alive, heck, he might even have taken C.C.'s code for all we know. But in the end he did show to Kallen that he is still the same Lelouch. Kinda sad tho that only some people knows the truth.
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 20:30
And he'd once again be lying to Nunnaly and Kallen.He's never had a problem with that. We do, but hell will freeze over before Lelouch settles for just making his loved ones happy.
We still don't know what happens to him. He might be still alive, heck, he might even have taken C.C.'s code for all we know. But in the end he did show to Kallen that he is still the same Lelouch. Kinda sad tho that only some people knows the truth.It is sad, but it's the way it has to be. Wouldn't be good if the world figured out this was one big troll.
linkinstreet
2008-09-28, 20:34
Like I said earlier. Kallen might be the one that would do it. the fact that she still have his picture in her house means that she still believe in him, and knowing her, she might not tolerate if people badmouthing her lover lol
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 20:36
Like I said earlier. Kallen might be the one that would do it. the fact that she still have his picture in her house means that she still believe in him, and knowing her, she might not tolerate if people badmouthing her lover lolFrom her narrative she understands why he did it and has accepted it. If she ends up dating someone later in her life, I doubt she'd tolerate any lip about Lelouch, but she's not going to correct everyone.
Skellington2612
2008-09-28, 20:38
He's never had a problem with that. We do, but hell will freeze over before Lelouch settles for just making his loved ones happy.
It is sad, but it's the way it has to be. Wouldn't be good if the world figured out this was one big troll.
But Iīm still sad... really Nunally scene keeps repeating in my head... at least I would have liked to see Kallen next to his body too...
They spent two months caught so maybe there was some interactions... damn I canīt wait for all the dramas to come out...
Please Taniguchi make and OVA or a movie!!!
I still feel unsatisfied somehow... even with Suzaku I feel itīs cruel for him to live as a mask...
And whereīs Sayoko?
I guess this is a goodbye for all of you... It was nice while it lasted...
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 20:38
From her narrative she understands why he did it and has accepted it. If she ends up dating someone later in her life, I doubt she'd tolerate any lip about Lelouch, but she's not going to correct everyone.
She can't just go around correcting everyone either, as it would also undermine what Lelouch sacrificed everything to build.
She can't just go around correcting everyone either, as it would also undermine what Lelouch sacrificed everything to build.
Yeah, but this is Kallen here. Its not like she's one to think first and take action later O_o . Besides, I don't think you have enough faith in the idea about a new ova/movie! You should have more faith! The gumline is still out there!!!!
linkinstreet
2008-09-28, 20:41
She can't just go around correcting everyone either, as it would also undermine what Lelouch sacrificed everything to build.Yes, but I can still imagine this scenario
Guy: hey you're that former OBK pilot right?
kallen: yes, so?
Guy: heh, thank god you got saved before that crazy emperor lelouch did anything at you, I swear he is the most evil person i have...
Kallen: *FALCON P-P-P-UNCHH!!!*
From her narrative she understands why he did it and has accepted it. If she ends up dating someone later in her life, I doubt she'd tolerate any lip about Lelouch, but she's not going to correct everyone.
I think the fact that she won't be able to tolerate ignorance towards Lelouch, is going to more than likely make her 'lonely', but not in the bad sense. She'll simply live out her life loving one person, just like her mother. If you look at her family, they don't move on from the past. Kallen's mother never stopped loving her daughter and husband. Kallen's brother died but Kallen lived for him, and only shifted from him to Lelouch. Now Lelouch is gone, but her relationship to him was not familial. I'd say there is a good chance she is going to be alone.
If that Epilogue was about her moving on then it failed... pretty badly at portraying such a point. Especially with her tone of voice. The Guren key is simply the embodiement of her connection to the past. The first present Lelouch gave her.
- lelouch is died until proven false - cc is still immortal if gino x kallen was proven to be canon later on how would you feel?
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 20:44
Yeah, but this is Kallen here. Its not like she's one to think first and take action later O_o . Besides, I don't think you have enough faith in the idea about a new ova/movie! You should have more faith! The gumline is still out there!!!!God, don't remind of the damn gumline. We got royally screwed in that respect. Everyone else gets their line, even Anya, and Kallen doesn't get so much as something similar. It's almost as bad as not even letting her learn how Lelouch felt before he died.
demon_god04
2008-09-28, 20:44
Yeah, but this is Kallen here. Its not like she's one to think first and take action later O_o . Besides, I don't think you have enough faith in the idea about a new ova/movie! You should have more faith! The gumline is still out there!!!!
She has calmed down abit and I'd think that even though it would make her angry, the thought that it was what Lelouch wanted and that her actions would undermine his sacrifice would make her refrain from any outbursts.
To be honest though, despite how much I want Kallen to end up with Lelouch, I don't want him to be alive after that ending. It was just so emotional that if he lived through that, well it just sort of cheapens it for me.
- lelouch is died until proven false - cc is still immortal if gino x kallen was proven to be canon later on how would you feel?
Correction. Lelouch is Schrodinger's Corpse. He's both Dead AND Alive till Sunrise OPENS THE DAMN BOX. And this leaves Kallen still loving him, and (with the character song) capable of looking for him if he's alive.
To Demon: They've cheapened so many OTHER character's deaths, I think it would fit to have them do the same to him. Besides, it'd be awesome for him to suddenly come back from the dead in an OVA/movie (to his close friends, anyone else would kill him O_o) to save the day. Face it, you'd think it would be pretty epic too.
It's almost as bad as not even letting her learn how Lelouch felt before he died.
I'd say she figured that much out. If everything clicked, then C.C.'s line to her should also have clicked.
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 20:46
I'd say she figured that much out. If everything clicked, then C.C.'s line to her should also have clicked.In this case, it's more ambiguous. She gets why he did what he did, but she'll never know (unless he's alive and comes to visit), if he loved her back.
linkinstreet
2008-09-28, 20:47
I think the fact that she won't be able to tolerate ignorance towards Lelouch, is going to more than likely make her 'lonely', but not in the bad sense. She'll simply live out her life loving one person, just like her mother. If you look at her family, they don't move on from the past. Kallen's mother never stopped loving her daughter and husband. Kallen's brother died but Kallen lived for him, and only shifted from him to Lelouch. Now Lelouch is gone, but her relationship to him was not familial. I'd say there is a good chance she is going to be alone.
If that Epilogue was about her moving on then it failed... pretty badly at portraying such a point. Especially with her tone of voice. The Guren key is simply the embodiement of her connection to the past. The first present Lelouch gave her.Yes, I doubt she would love anyone else like she did with Lelouch. And that key could also means that she would be ready to protect Lelouch's world if anything happens
El_Negro
2008-09-28, 20:48
Hum, all right then.
I just saw wikipedia bio-op profile on Kallen and it states that she & Gino are in a relationship, so I think that they really did hook up, who knows how much time passed since Lelouch's death :heh:
Correction. Lelouch is Schrodinger's Corpse. He's both Dead AND Alive till Sunrise OPENS THE DAMN BOX. And this leaves Kallen still loving him, and (with the character song) capable of looking for him if he's alive.
Actually I think the burden of proof is on the argument that he is alive. There is significant amount of information to show that he is dead.
I just saw wikipedia bio-op profile on Kallen and it states that she & Gino are in a relationship, so I think that they really did hook up, who knows how much time passed since Lelouch's death :heh:
Wikepedia? :heh:
My friend you've just been rickrolled.
There is no evidence of that in the show whatsoever
Correction. Lelouch is Schrodinger's Corpse. He's both Dead AND Alive till Sunrise OPENS THE DAMN BOX. And this leaves Kallen still loving him, and (with the character song) capable of looking for him if he's alive.
You did NOT just try applying quantum mechanics to a fucking ship in a non-romance driven mecha anime.
You did NOT just try applying quantum mechanics to a fucking ship in a non-romance driven mecha anime.
I hope you're putting as much effort in the C.C thread as you do here.
Back to Kallen Wikipedia is not a good source of information. Unless the source is from the show staff themselves it should be considered fanon.
You did NOT just try applying quantum mechanics to a fucking ship in a non-romance driven mecha anime.
The use is correct, so what is the matter? The idea of the box is a universal idea, its not limited just to QM.
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 20:55
Plus it's not there anymore. It's just nonsense. As Kallen's pictures show, he's actually with Tianzi now. :heh:
Plus it's not there anymore. It's just nonsense. As Kallen's pictures show, he's actually with Tianzi now. :heh:
And the lolicon is angry, looks like Gino is actually a lolicon... that explains Anya. :heh:
morbosfist
2008-09-28, 21:02
And the lolicon is angry, looks like Gino is actually a lolicon... that explains Anya. :heh:Bit off-topic, getting her memories back must have really endeared her to Jeremiah. That was a totally unexpected outcome.
I think the fact that she won't be able to tolerate ignorance towards Lelouch, is going to more than likely make her 'lonely', but not in the bad sense. She'll simply live out her life loving one person, just like her mother. If you look at her family, they don't move on from the past. Kallen's mother never stopped loving her daughter and husband. Kallen's brother died but Kallen lived for him, and only shifted from him to Lelouch. Now Lelouch is gone, but her relationship to him was not familial. I'd say there is a good chance she is going to be alone.
If that Epilogue was about her moving on then it failed... pretty badly at portraying such a point. Especially with her tone of voice. The Guren key is simply the embodiement of her connection to the past. The first present Lelouch gave her.Back on topic, I agree with this assessment. Kallen may never move on from loving the man the world hates. It'll stick with her for her whole life, and people aren't likely to forget.
Skellington2612
2008-09-28, 21:07
I guess we will have to wait until the site gets updated, right?
Maybe they finally update Kallenīs profile... and we can see if Lulu is really dead...
Back on topic, I agree with this assessment. Kallen may never move on from loving the man the world hates. It'll stick with her for her whole life, and people aren't likely to forget.
Character song considered, I'd say this is a pretty good bet... unless they decide not to release the song :rolleyes:. It also, if you think about it, is one way that Lelouch defeated the Geass curse. At the very least she will always love him, so will Nunally, Suzaku, and C.C..
It is always possible she will, but her character, her family, her history with Lelouch, the truth that she and only a few others know, and her personality, will make it hard for her to really move on. If she even wants too. She seemed fully content with her life of holding Lelouch dear, and taking care of her mother.
Basically, whatever chance Kallen has of finding someone else, C.C. also does. So if we want to ship we can ship anything with these two characters if we really wanted. But if we're to respect their characters and the story, I'd say its best to leave them both alone, with a possibility of meeting each other again. Kallen x C.C. indeed.
Skellington2612
2008-09-28, 21:24
Thereīs nothing in wikipedia that says Kallen is with Gino...
UltimateClash
2008-09-28, 21:25
Thereīs nothing in wikipedia that says Kallen is with Gino...
No doubt in my mind that trolls and counter-trolls are going full force over in the Geass section on Wikipedia, Hell, by the time you finish reading this it could say that Lelouch was actually Clovis in disguise, and CC had bigger breasts then Kallen.
PLEASE NOTE: I am a total Kalulu Shipper. (In case my 40 or so posts today didn't make that obvious.)
The song does mention 'moving forward along the path you believe in,' so I think Kallen will be able to move on eventually. Although admittably, there aren't many men out there she could get w/ since most would talk about how horrible Emperor Lelouch was, and she would deck them. This causes the slight problem that the only men in her age category that plausibly know the truth are Gino and Rival. (Don't hit me!!!) I'm not saying she would end up with either (and certainly not Rival), but if she could move on, those are the most likely options. Granted, I'm thinking the song means she's moving more forward w/ her life in general than romantically. GRANTED, I WOULD ONLY ACCEPT THE GINO FACTOR IF LELOUCH IS REALLY DEAD (which I'm like 50/50 on).
If Lelouch is alive and he loves her, then her song makes more sense to me because it implies she is going after him. The ending where she's going to Ashford--presumably partially due to Lelouch--and wearing the Guren key like a necklace makes a little more sense to me then, too. She's not moving beyond Lelouch because somehow she has an inkling that he's still alive. (Granted, it would also have made more sense if she had been aloud to say her damn gum line.) Mind you, once she caught up to him, she would be pissed that he lied to her AGAIN to protect her from a life of exile.
It's a bit out there, but not outside the realm of possibility. I like the thought of Lelouch possibly being alive (and loss of direct confession due to missing gum line notwithstanding) and in love w/ Kallen. Meanwhile, Kallen, due to learning the real Lelouch, has some inkling that something isn't right that preventing her from moving on until she strikes out on her own to find him.
Yeah, I know. I'm nuts. But nevertheless, KALULU FOREVER!!!
I'm out for the day all. I've been sick all day (nothing to do w/ CG ending :heh:). Part of the reason I've been able to post so much today :). Anyway, need to go to bed. Night All.
youngde, signing off.
Skellington2612
2008-09-28, 21:33
No doubt in my mind that trolls and counter-trolls are going full force over in the Geass section on Wikipedia, Hell, by the time you finish reading this it could say that Lelouch was actually Clovis in disguise, and CC had bigger breasts then Kallen.
Lol... youīre right... but I thought he was neutral or a Kallen fan... I guess not... Anyway hope we get some information inthe magazines or the official site...
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