Character Discussion - Kallen

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Do we even know it was the Emperor who did that? Sure, it matches, but we have no proof he actually did it. And after all, you don't need Geass to brainwash.

So we'd have another Geass-user who did it instead? :twitch:
Well, that might be possible, I suppose. and indeed geass, isn't the only thing you need... :(

[Pan chan]

To be honest we don't even know if their memories were really altered or if they were just instructed to play along. Lelouch thought they were but we have no proof, and as we've seen when it comes to Britannia and the Emperor Lelouch always jumps to the worst conclusion.

No, remember Nina's memory in episode 9 ? Rolo was there, not Nunnaly ;)

[Aquaman OS]

No, remember Nina's memory in episode 9 ? Rolo was there, not Nunnaly ;)

(watches again).............damn.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

(watches again).............damn.

So it was either Charles.. Or some other Geass-user sent by V.V....

[Tokkan]

I'm pretty sure Code-R was started by Clovis actually, Schneizel just took over later.

[Silver Soul]

No, remember Nina's memory in episode 9 ? Rolo was there, not Nunnaly ;)

Poor Nunnlly :( Damn you Rolo :upset:

[Dean_the_Young]

Having read about how bad Kallen was treated by Suzaku, I'm surprised that no one brought up our best case of comparison: Suzaku's own incarceration. Compared to his stint, what has Kallen had?

[Dean_the_Young]

Poor Nunnlly :( Damn you Rolo :upset:
What has Rolo to do with it? Rolo had nothing to do with Lelouch's capture, memory changes, or being assigned to act as Lulu's brother.

You can blame Charles (for wiping), Suzaku (for getting even), or even Kallen (for not being a good bodyguard), but Rolo is blameless.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Having read about how bad Kallen was treated by Suzaku, I'm surprised that no one brought up our best case of comparison: Suzaku's own incarceration. Compared to his stint, what has Kallen had?

Personally I don't think she has been treated THAT badly, even if I think leaving her gagged with food in front of her was rather unecressarilly. But you're right that at least no one's beating her up or the like as Suzaku was when he was accused of being the murderer of Clovis...

[Dean_the_Young]

Ah, damn it. You made me remember some of the more... tasteless... fanfiction and doujin about Suzaku in jail. :(

[Silver Soul]

What has Rolo to do with it? Rolo had nothing to do with Lelouch's capture, memory changes, or being assigned to act as Lulu's brother.

You can blame Charles (for wiping), Suzaku (for getting even), or even Kallen (for not being a good bodyguard), but Rolo is blameless.

I blame him for taking Nunnlly's place, I'm hoping everyone remeber who she is eventually

[Dean_the_Young]

I blame him for taking Nunnlly's place, I'm hoping everyone remeber who she is eventually
So? He had nothing to do with it. It isn't his fault, anymore than it was Euphie's fault for the massacre. How can you blame him for the actions of another Geass user? He wouldn't have taken her place if Kallen had done her job and killed Suzaku.

[bladeofdarkness]

the way suzaku treated kallen was crual FOR A REASON
the way he was looking at her showed no remorse or pity
the way she was tied was just pointlesly crual
the show's director wanted it to be seen as crual
that was the whole point

when you want to cement a truly hostile relationship between enemys you have one of them hurt the other guys loved ones
thats how it works in fiction
gail simons the comic book writer calls it "a woman in the fridge syndrom"(based on a green lantern comic where a villan kills his girlfriend and leaves her in the fridge for him to find)
the meanning of it is hurting or mistreating a female character close to the male lead in order to make it personal
and its even more so in a freaking SUNRISE STUDIO MECHA ANIME

suzaku pulled a dirty trick on lulu in ep 5 with nanali
but by ep 7 lulu excepted that suzaku really is the one person who he wants at nanali's side
in ep 8 he used suzaku in his plans to by trusting him not to order the troops to fire
in ep 9 he even included him in a kind of joke bet with shnizel (he had other reasons for doing so but he did make a joke about giving him to kaguya)

something had to be done to remind us of the fact that these two really are "worst enemys"
having suzaku treat a fan favorite character rather harshly (thats how it was portreyd) was their way

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

something had to be done to remind us of the fact that these two really are "worst enemys"
having suzaku treat a fan favorite character rather harshly (thats how it was portreyd) was their way

It was probably also, in a sense, a way or showing us that he's still the antagonist of the series as such...

[Dean_the_Young]

Here's an update: being tied up is not cruel or unusual, especially when it's done to all Britannian prisoners from C.C. to Suzaku to Orange-kun. Being unable to eat a single meal, while negligent, is not malicious or degrading. Looking at someone with no emotion? Not even smug superiority or gloating glee or any happiness? That doesn't even register.

Suzaku is not hurting Kallen. By all accounts, she is being treated infinitely better than either himself or Orange-kun were: she doesn't have any signs of being beaten in a jail cell, for one. Lelouch's cries of how Suzaku is taking all his loved ones away is another one of his oh-so telling moments of personal double standards, such as when he's so surprised that Oegi kept a secret from him.

Let's get something straight. Suzaku didn't capture Kallen. Suzaku hasn't abused Kallen. He hasn't used her as a hostage, threatened to kill her, emotionally blackmailed her, or forced her into a mockery of her very existence, all things that Lelouch has done or intended to do to various people in his power.

It really is a non-issue, especially as far as Code Geass behavior goes. The only half-way bad thing was making it so she couldn't eat a meal, which is pretty unlikely to go on for any period of time. Everything else? Suck it up, really, and remember what most other characters have had to go through.

[hanseo]

@dark suzaku didn't treated her cruely she is the enemy

[Silver Soul]

Just imagine if Kallen died, than we'll see the sparks fly
So? He had nothing to do with it. It isn't his fault, anymore than it was Euphie's fault for the massacre. How can you blame him for the actions of another Geass user? He wouldn't have taken her place if Kallen had done her job and killed Suzaku.
Good God man do you have to put it so bluently, I see no redeeming factors for his character now that Lelouch has him eating from the palm of his hand and I'll take Nunnally than him anyway

[bladeofdarkness]

wait till next ep
all im saying
wait till next ep

suzaku got his ass kicked while being interogated
and the guys asking him questions knew he didnt know shit
kallen actually does know something of value

just wait

[Silver Soul]

wait till next ep
all im saying
wait till next ep

suzaku got his ass kicked while being interogated
and the guys asking him questions knew he didnt know shit
kallen actually does know something of value

just wait

Oh man now I see it, but since she's half Britainnian they won't be as rough on her than they were with Suzaku......I hope

[Tokkan]

Just imagine if Kallen died, than we'll see the sparks fly

I wonder how you would feel if the character you favoured were killed.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Oh man now I see it, but since she's half Britainnian they won't be as rough on her than they were with Suzaku......I hope

I don't know if Suzaku would let her get tortured of all things. But you never know. If they want to portray Suzaku in a good light next episode, it could be by him keeping her safe from such attempts or something.

[Orga777]

wait till next ep
all im saying
wait till next ep

suzaku got his ass kicked while being interogated
and the guys asking him questions knew he didnt know shit
kallen actually does know something of value

just wait

Yeah? Under Suzaku's care, don't expect it to happen. No matter how much you guys may hate him, he isn't a bad guy.

[Dean_the_Young]

[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"]Good God man do you have to put it so bluently, I see no redeeming factors for his character now that Lelouch has him eating from the palm of his hand and I'll take Nunnally than him anyway
Yes, I do have to put it so "bluently," because you're effectively pulling accusations out of your ass in blaming completely uninvolved people for the actions of others. His worth as a character is completely irrelevant to the fact that he had nothing to do with replacing Nunally in Lulu's memory rewrite. You're not even shooting the messenger, you're taking an automatic to a letter.

It
Is
Not
His
Fault.


wait till next ep
all im saying
wait till next ep

suzaku got his ass kicked while being interogated
and the guys asking him questions knew he didnt know shit
kallen actually does know something of value

just wait

Why should I? You didn't bother.

But hey, even if it does come true and there's no evidence of Suzaku being involved, it'll still be his fault, eh?

[Orga777]

I wonder how you would feel if the character you favoured were killed.

My favorite characters are always killed off because it seems fiction ALWAYS kills off the cool characters. And yet, it never bothers me. Why should that bother anybody is beyond me. It is fiction, not real folks.

[Silver Soul]

I wonder how you would feel if the character you favoured were killed.

Oh god here we go again, no suprise that this respons from you Tokkan, you know what I'll feel for you and say I'm be very very sad to the point I'll break my computer and cry in solitude for three days :rolleyes: happy now!

[bladeofdarkness]

dont know what would happen
but her va has lines next ep
and lets face it she can only be talking to one person
dont think they will talk about the wether

[Dean_the_Young]

I wonder how you would feel if the character you favoured were killed.
I applauded, actually, because it was well done.

Well, technically Cornelia didn't die, but I had bad subs and didn't realize it till later.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Oh god here we go again, no suprise that this respons from you Tokkan, you know what I'll feel for you and say I'm be very very sad to the point I'll break my computer and cry in solitude for three days :rolleyes: happy now!

Now, now, no need for that, I think.
I think we all becoem sad when our favouurite charaters die though. One of the more recent series that I watched had the (for me) most likeable character dying in the middle of the series and I can't say I liked it :(

[Silver Soul]

Yes, I do have to put it so "bluently," because you're effectively pulling accusations out of your ass in blaming completely uninvolved people for the actions of others. His worth as a character is completely irrelevant to the fact that he had nothing to do with replacing Nunally in Lulu's memory rewrite. You're not even shooting the messenger, you're taking an automatic to a letter.

Seriously get off your high horse please my opionion of him will never change so you defending him does little for anyone, so instead of tryin to act smart in your posts how about you let it die okay.

[Tokkan]

Oh god here we go again, no suprise that this respons from you Tokkan, you know what I'll feel for you and say I'm be very very sad to the point I'll break my computer and cry in solitude for three days :rolleyes: happy now!

I wasn't asking that from you. What you are doing can be considered trolling and I'd rather you stop. Your main gripe seems to be with the Kallen fans who are Kallen/Lelouch fans. I'm just going to tell right here and now that I'm not a Kallen/Lelouch fan, I just consider it a nice possibility for a happy end for Kallen. But I'm fine with any end for her so long as she's happy, even if she dies close to finish of the series.

[Silver Soul]

I wasn't asking that from you. What you are doing can be considered trolling and I'd rather you stop. Your main gripe seems to be with the Kallen fans who are Kallen/Lelouch fans. I'm just going to tell right here and now that I'm not a Kallen/Lelouch fan, I just consider it a nice possibility for a happy end for Kallen. But I'm fine with any end for her so long as she's happy, even if she dies close to finish of the series.

Well I'm sorry about that but you quoted my post so I'll asume that it was to me, anyway if it sems like I'm troling I'm sorry for that also.

[Dean_the_Young]

Seriously get off your high horse please my opionion of him will never change so you defending him does little for anyone, so instead of tryin to act smart in your posts how about you let it die okay.
I don't care about your opinion. I do care about a deliberate misreading of facts. Not so much because of you, but because other people might make the mistake and then it will be more annoying.

Hate Rolo, love him, it doesn't matter to me. But know the difference between being part of the problem and being the cause of the problem. One day it will be with real people and real consequences, and the biggest loser if you insist on make a similar judgement will be you. This isn't acting smart: this is a friendly lesson from hard experience.

[Silver Soul]

I don't care about your opinion. I do care about a deliberate misreading of facts. Not so much because of you, but because other people might make the mistake and then it will be more annoying.

Hate Rolo, love him, it doesn't matter to me. But know the difference between being part of the problem and being the cause of the problem. One day it will be with real people and real consequences, and the biggest loser if you insist on make a similar judgement will be you. This isn't acting smart: this is a friendly lesson from hard experience.

Biggest loser is you dean who is still going off on this crap, no surprise if you respond to this as well

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

People, stop it. it's getting childish and this is not even the right thread to discuss Rolo... :uhoh:

[Silver Soul]

People, stop it. it's getting childish and this is not even the right thread to discuss Rolo... :uhoh:

Hey it should of ended a long time

[demon_god04]

It takes two to tango, if you just don't respond then the other party would have nothing to say right? :p

[Dean_the_Young]

Biggest loser is you dean who is still going off on this crap, no surprise if you respond to this as well

I believe name calling is an offense on this board? Trolling and what not? Word of the wise: don't do it to someone who will be offended.




And to make this somewhat on-topic, I felt the Kallen-bondage fanservice was a bit over the top.

[yezhanquan]

I doubt that Suzaku can break Kallen easily. But, if he does succeed, you know that Kallen has the "I'll rather be dead" thought in her mind.

[Silver Soul]

I believe name calling is an offense on this board? Trolling and what not? Word of the wise: don't do it to someone who will be offended.




And to make this somewhat on-topic, I felt the Kallen-bondage fanservice was a bit over the top.

Please dont save yourself by changing the topic

[Rising Dragon]

Please dont save yourself by changing the topic

Soul, shut up. Let it go, and let him change the damn topic. We're tired of hearing you two bicker.

[Dean_the_Young]

Please dont save yourself by changing the topicWhy? Kallen being wrapped in belts the way they were were as much blatant innuendo as all her other costumes. The deliberate emphasis on the restraining straps under her breasts was completely over the top.

[Silver Soul]

Soul, shut up. Let it go, and let him change the damn topic. We're tired of hearing you two bicker.

Damn sorry, geez, didn't know you were so interested in Kallen in bondage :eyebrow:

[Dean_the_Young]

Hey, there's nothing wrong with bondage, if tasteful.

It's just... Kallen can't even stop being a fanservice character in prison garb? The clothes that are deliberately meant to be the least appealing in existence?

I just feel it's an insult to the character. Kallen with her cellphone-knife? Now that's good.

[Rising Dragon]

Damn sorry, geez, didn't know you were so interested in Kallen in bondage :eyebrow:

Its better than listening to you piss and moan.

Anyways, when I saw that particular scene, I didn't think of it as "fanservice," but I do realize anyone can get their jollies anywhere.

[demon_god04]

Anyways, when I saw that particular scene, I didn't think of it as "fanservice," but I do realize anyone can get their jollies anywhere.

There is a fetish for everything... :rolleyes: :heh:

[Dean_the_Young]

To be fair, the number of fanarts coming from it had a little to do with it.

Just a smudgin, mind you.

[Kurz]

the way suzaku treated kallen was crual FOR A REASON
the way he was looking at her showed no remorse or pity
the way she was tied was just pointlesly crual
the show's director wanted it to be seen as crual
that was the whole point

when you want to cement a truly hostile relationship between enemys you have one of them hurt the other guys loved ones
thats how it works in fiction
gail simons the comic book writer calls it "a woman in the fridge syndrom"(based on a green lantern comic where a villan kills his girlfriend and leaves her in the fridge for him to find)
the meanning of it is hurting or mistreating a female character close to the male lead in order to make it personal
and its even more so in a freaking SUNRISE STUDIO MECHA ANIME

suzaku pulled a dirty trick on lulu in ep 5 with nanali
but by ep 7 lulu excepted that suzaku really is the one person who he wants at nanali's side
in ep 8 he used suzaku in his plans to by trusting him not to order the troops to fire
in ep 9 he even included him in a kind of joke bet with shnizel (he had other reasons for doing so but he did make a joke about giving him to kaguya)

something had to be done to remind us of the fact that these two really are "worst enemys"
having suzaku treat a fan favorite character rather harshly (thats how it was portreyd) was their way

Lol I thought the ropes were just for Fanservice.

[yezhanquan]

Suzaku might still go soft on Kallen, IMO. Give someone like Anya access to the torture tools, and it can get ugly and messy very quickly.

[Silver Soul]

Most of Kallen scenes in this season has all been for fanservice: bunnygirl suit, low top bra and panties in the beaver suit even her being straped down in that position can a viewed as too much

[Rising Dragon]

Suzaku might still go soft on Kallen, IMO. Give someone like Anya access to the torture tools, and it can get ugly and messy very quickly.

I don't see Anya as the type to be sadistic.

[demon_god04]

Most of Kallen scenes in this season has all been for fanservice: bunnygirl suit, low top bra and panties in the beaver suit even her being straped down in that position can a viewed as too much

Her attire may be of the fanservice nature, but a good majority of the dialogue and interaction was serious in nature.

[yezhanquan]

I don't see Anya as the type to be sadistic.

Not sadistic, as in taking pleasure from the torture. Just doing what is "needed" for her to talk.

*flat tone* "All we have to make sure is that she stays alive, right? Break her back."

To herself: "Well, there goes my re-match. But, whatever."

[Orga777]

Not sadistic, as in taking pleasure from the torture. Just doing what is "needed" for her to talk.

*flat tone* "All we have to make sure is to keep her alive, right? Break her back."

Ack... How come I can picture her saying that... and doing it for that matter?:uhoh: Definitely creepy...

[Silver Soul]

I don't see Anya as the type to be sadistic.

In battle yes, but there will be no pont since Kallen cant defend herself, although a Kallen torture scene can be view as another way to squeeze more fanservice from her :p (Mnemosyne episode one Rin torture scene)

[Rising Dragon]

Not sadistic, as in taking pleasure from the torture. Just doing what is "needed" for her to talk.

*flat tone* "All we have to make sure is that she stays alive, right? Break her back."

To herself: "Well, there goes my re-match. But, whatever."

Eh, I don't really get the emotionless vibe from her, either. More like she's just more reserved than most people.

[Orga777]

Eh, I don't really get the emotionless vibe from her, either. More like she's just more reserved than most people.

Really? I never seen her emote anything at all though. No sorrow, fear, joy, or whatever else. She has the same blank, emotionless stare the entire time.

[Rising Dragon]

Really? I never seen her emote anything at all though. No sorrow, fear, joy, or whatever else. She has the same blank, emotionless stare the entire time.

Her face seemed different to me when she said "Both are inevitable hells," in regards to the Zero's return speech, specifically about storming the Chinese embassy.

[yezhanquan]

After the back-breaker...

Suzaku (grabbing Anya by her neck): I thought I made it clear that I am the only one supposed to question her?

Anya (stare): And it would seem that you're not getting results, Knight of 7. If you want me to keep away, get something out of her by today. If not, her back may not be the only thing breaking.

[Pan chan]

Most of Kallen scenes in this season has all been for fanservice: bunnygirl suit, low top bra and panties in the beaver suit even her being straped down in that position can a viewed as too much

Yes she is prone to fanservice, but C.C and Villeta too, and they have less screentime this season so ...:uhoh:

Oh and there wasn't fanservice in turn 4 when she saved her friends, nor in Turn 6 when she kicked some butts, nor in 7 when she helped Lelouch, and in turn 10 when she was fighting Li. My point is there is rarely fanservice with her when it's important scene. And even when there's fanservice, all the scenes aren't meaningless and for free, for instance in Turn 9 when she fell on Lelouch, the situation was awkward but the dialogue was important...

NO she isn't there only for fanservice :rolleyes:.

[Silver Soul]

After the back-breaker...

Suzaku (grabbing Anya by her neck): I thought I made it clear that I am the only one supposed to question her?

Anya (stare): And it would seem that you're not getting results, Knight of 7. If you want me to keep away, get something out of her by today. If not, her back may not be the only thing breaking.

Wow, that completely out of his character, considering this isn't Black Rebellion Suzaku

[yezhanquan]

Well, I'm sure Suzaku will use something on her, just not as drastic as leaving something permanent.

[Silver Soul]

Yes she is prone to fanservice, but C.C and Villeta too, and they have less screentime this season so ...:uhoh:

Oh and there wasn't fanservice in turn 4 when she saved her friends, nor in Turn 6 when she kicked some butts, nor in 7 when she helped Lelouch, and in turn 9 when she was fighting Li. My point is there is rarely fanservice with her when it's important scene. And even when there's fanservice, all the scenes aren't meaningless and for free like in Turn 9 when she fell on Lelouch, the situation was awkward but the dialogue was important...

NO she isn't there only for fanservice :rolleyes:.

Are you blind because you probably didn't notice her wearing the same outfit she wore while undercover in the beaver outfit when she fel ontop of Lelouch plus your obvious not going to have fanservice when the poinof the episode is in battle. FYI I did't say she was just there for fanservice I just said that most of her outfits scream that (C.C. and Villeta too).

[Orga777]

I have noticed that this entire series is pretty much drenched in fan-service.... Too much IMO...

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Are you blind because you probably didn't notice her wearing the same outfit she wore while undercover in the beaver outfit when she fel ontop of Lelouch plus your obvious not going to have fanservice when the poinof the episode is in battle. FYI I did't say she was just there for fanservice I just said that most of her outfits scream that (C.C. and Villeta too).

Let's face it, most characters are used for fanserive, including C.C., Villeta, Kallen, Shirley and so on... :rolleyes:

Wow, that completely out of his character, considering this isn't Black Rebellion Suzaku

Perhaps true, but Suzaku has hardly lost all morals yet, so I'm not sure if he'd be okay with torture...

[yezhanquan]

I won't put it past Suzaku to vent a little anger on Kallen simply because she's on Lelouch's side, not to mention that with her abilities, even a jock like Suzaku will guess that she's close to Lulu.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I won't put it past Suzaku to vent a little anger on Kallen simply because she's on Lelouch's side, not to mention that with her abilities, even a jock like Suzaku will guess that she's close to Lulu.

Correction: On Zero's side. He doesn't know a ssuch that the current Zero is Lelouch. Anyway, we'll see. I suppsoe he migh vent some anger on her at worst, though I hope he knows better than to do that.

[yezhanquan]

Oh yeah. If he had known, Viletta would already be in deep trouble.

[orangejuicetang]

I still doubt that Suzuku would go to personal torture. At worst, I can see another long discussion between the two over thier various beliefs.

[Orga777]

Correction: On Zero's side. He doesn't know a ssuch that the current Zero is Lelouch. Anyway, we'll see. I suppsoe he migh vent some anger on her at worst, though I hope he knows better than to do that.

If he does vent anger on her, I don't see it being much more than a lot of yelling (and if he does that it would be because Kallen will say something he won't like.) I just don't see him torturing her in any way.

[yezhanquan]

Well, I agree that he won't be the one doing the actual hurting. He would turn to face the wall as others do the dirty work.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Ye gods, people really don't seem to think too much of Suzaku :uhoh: . We'll see though. i'm hoping not however.

[orangejuicetang]

I don't see Kallen getting tortured at all. Suzuku has already told the Student Council that he would keep Kallen relatively safe if she would be captured.

[Tokkan]

I'd find this scenario interesting. If it is indeed true that Kallen has the info on what happened with Euphy, she could always bribe Suzaku into NOT mindwiping her with the promise to give that information.

[Silver Soul]

I'd find this scenario interesting. If it is indeed true that Kallen has the info on what happened with Euphy, she could always bribe Suzaku into NOT mindwiping her with the promise to give that information.

By bribe you me seduce :heh::heh::heh::heh: kidding, kidding :p

[orangejuicetang]

That would be an interesting scenario, though I find the possibility of Kallen knowing what really happened with Euphie to be very slim

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I'd find this scenario interesting. If it is indeed true that Kallen has the info on what happened with Euphy, she could always bribe Suzaku into NOT mindwiping her with the promise to give that information.

Assuming that C.C. has told her this however... but saying that might be dangerous, as it'd hint at that Lelouch is Zero, possibly. Or at least that C.C. is currently with the order...

[Tokkan]

Assuming that C.C. has told her this however... but saying that might be dangerous, as it'd hint at that Lelouch is Zero, possibly. Or at least that C.C. is currently with the order...

They already know that C.C. is with the BK, that's mostly the reason they still try to chase after them.

[Rising Dragon]

I'm more worried about Kallen slipping up and saying Lelouch instead of Zero during an interrogation.

[yezhanquan]

I'm more worried about Kallen slipping up and saying Lelouch instead of Zero during an interrogation.

With that one slip, she will endanger Lulu, Viletta and Rolo in one shot.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

They already know that C.C. is with the BK, that's mostly the reason they still try to chase after them.

True enough...

I'm more worried about Kallen slipping up and saying Lelouch instead of Zero during an interrogation.

That's possible. If that happens though, it's quite soon bye-bye, Ashford though... :rolleyes:

[Silver Soul]

Unless there's torture involve I doubt she'll say anything to anyone

[Pan chan]

Are you blind because you probably didn't notice her wearing the same outfit she wore while undercover in the beaver outfit when she fel ontop of Lelouch plus your obvious not going to have fanservice when the poinof the episode is in battle. FYI I did't say she was just there for fanservice I just said that most of her outfits scream that (C.C. and Villeta too).

Most of Kallen scenes in this season has all been for fanservice

Well I'm sorry but your phrase made me misunderstand you >.<. (I'm not blaming you here ). But I read to much Pov saiying kallen is just eye candy.

And no, I'm not blind, I did mention the fanservice when she fell on top of Lelouch and episode 5 was filled with fanservice, I couldn't miss it even if I wanted. And for the outfits, like you said, other characters are also targeted and that's a shame since I don't really like fanservice >__>.

[yezhanquan]

Unless there's torture involve I doubt she'll say anything to anyone

A slip-up is plausible. Weaken her, and get someone to use "Lelouch" and "Zero" at intervals. She'll let the cat out.

[DN24]

That would be an interesting scenario, though I find the possibility of Kallen knowing what really happened with Euphie to be very slim

I think she already knows,she was there when Suzaku reveal LL geass power.She should be able to work out what really happened.

[Silver Soul]

Well I'm sorry but your phrase made me misunderstand you >.<. (I'm not blaming you here ). But I read to much Pov saiying kallen is just eye candy.

And no, I'm not blind, I did mention the fanservice when she fell on top of Lelouch and episode 5 was filled with fanservice, I couldn't miss it even if I wanted. And for the outfits, like you said, other characters are also targeted and that's a shame since I don't really like fanservice >__>.

Sorry, I was refering to episode 9 by the way

With that one slip, she will endanger Lulu, Viletta and Rolo in one shot.

Lulu, Rolo and Sayoko not so much since it means they can end the chrade and get back to serious business, Villeta however I can imagine her being held up for treason or possibly strip of all nobility of word comes out

[yezhanquan]

I'm sure Sayoko's abilities as a ninja are still unknown to Lelouch's enemies.

Lulu has tried hard not to show that he has regained his memories. Being exposed will mean something.

Rolo's cover being blown = order of termination.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

A slip-up is plausible. Weaken her, and get someone to use "Lelouch" and "Zero" at intervals. She'll let the cat out.

Like on the island? Well, maybe. This time she should be ready for it though.

[orangejuicetang]

I'm sure if that happens, Villeta would end up joining the Black Order since she would be on the run from Britannia, and Lelouch would mention how the "Black Order is the only thing that can protect you now" and convince her. Not to mention that Oigi? or whatever his name was is also in the black order.

[yezhanquan]

Like on the island? Well, maybe. This time she should be ready for it though.

I guess I should have said "weaken AND confuse". Make her a little delirious, disorientated, whatever it takes to break her concentration.

As for Villeta, she can choose the path of "re-establishing her loyalty" and kill some BKs.

[Silver Soul]

I'm sure Sayoko's abilities as a ninja are still unknown to Lelouch's enemies.

Lulu has tried hard not to show that he has regained his memories. Being exposed will mean something.

Rolo's cover being blown = order of termination.

If this sounds like a noob question but were does all this Sayoko ninja crap comes from? Is it episode 11 when she disguise herself as Lelouch or something I miss in her diaries

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I guess I should have said "weaken AND confusion". Make her a little delirious, disorientated, whatever it takes to break her concentration.

Possibly, I suppose... Still, might take more than that. The standard procedure for when you're captured should be to keep your mouth shut after all... :uhoh:


If this sounds like a noob question but were does all this Sayoko ninja crap comes from? Is it episode 11 when she disguise herself as Lelouch or something I miss in her diaries

It comes from her diaries, where it's revealed that she's apparently from a ninja clan or soemthing... :heh:

[Orga777]

Possibly, I suppose... Still, might take more than that. The standard procedure for when you're captured should be to keep your mouth shut after all... :uhoh:

Well, this is Kallen... I expect her to mouth off someone she isn't supposed to...<.<'

It comes from her diaries, where it's revealed that she's apparently from a ninja clan or soemthing... :heh:

Wait... What?:heh:
Does anyone have a link where I can see these? <.<'

[orrick alexander]

Also another factor would be what happens to Nunally if Kallen lets Lelouch is Zero slip out... (Flashesback to Kamnajima) Suzaku asks, "Then tell me who is Zero?" Kallen responds, "Figure it out for yourself." "I see so you don't know who he is either." That type of thing might happen again. Would Nunally be stripped of power because she IS his sister or would she be allowed to continue because she had no idea about her brother being Zero?

Anyway, Villeta and Rolo would need to get out of Area 11 quickly, perhaps they have something more hidden in that aquarium.

BTW wouldn't something drastic happen if they did figure out that Zero was back in Area 11 after being exiled.

[yezhanquan]

Again, here is the place to discuss Kallen, and nothing else. The mods are already getting fired up about OTs in the CG forums.

[ZeroSama]

Unless there's torture involve I doubt she'll say anything to anyone

Even if there's tortue:upset: it's unlikely she'll say anything to anyone. Probably need some drugs that act as a truth serum to pry any info outta her(and turn her into a vegetable at the same time:upset:.

She'd be more likely to try and commit suicide by biting through her tongue than betray Lulu and the OoTBK.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Even if there's tortue:upset: it's unlikely she'll say anything to anyone. Probably need some drugs that act as a truth serum to pry any info outta her(and turn her into a vegetable at the same time:upset:.

She'd be more likely to try and commit suicide by biting through her tongue than betray Lulu and the OoTBK.

Neither scenario is likely to happen. After all, if it happened
how can she then wear this pretty dress of hers?
http://www.shareapic.net/content.php?id=9191386&owner=Koshimizu

[bladeofdarkness]

Even if there's tortue:upset: it's unlikely she'll say anything to anyone. Probably need some drugs that act as a truth serum to pry any info outta her(and turn her into a vegetable at the same time:upset:.

She'd be more likely to try and commit suicide by biting through her tongue than betray Lulu and the OoTBK.


that could explain the gag
still not likely
lulu told her not to do anything foolish

[demon_god04]

And it doesn't look like a gag that could prevent her from biting her tongue, it just covers her mouth.

[Silver Soul]

And it doesn't look like a gag that could prevent her from biting her tongue, it just covers her mouth.

But would Kallen really die for the sake of Zero? I mean we saw her willing about to die in episode 6 so I guess its not so farfetch'd

[yezhanquan]

Even if she's willing to, Suzaku wouldn't let her die.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

But would Kallen really die for the sake of Zero? I mean we saw her willing about to die in episode 6 so I guess its not so farfetch'd

And episode 2, I guess, where she was prepared to sacrifie herself to stop Rolo...
But for several reasons, I doubt this scenario won't happen - if it does, then not before at the end...

[Tokkan]

And episode 2, I guess, where she was prepared to sacrifie herself to stop Rolo...
But for several reasons, I doubt this scenario won't happen - if it does, then not before at the end...

Your tone implies to me that you actually meant "I doubt this scenario will happen", rather than "won't". Very... interesting.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Your tone implies to me that you actually meant "I doubt this scenario will happen", rather than "won't". Very... interesting.

I don't want it to happen, but you never know with the storywritters.... :upset:

[bladeofdarkness]

after he gave her that whole "i will save you" speech she actually looked happy
the fact that she was taken prisoner didnt seem to matter that much anymore just becouse of his reaction to it
i do think she would be ready to die for him
but he also told her not to do anything stupid so its not likely she'll try to kill herself
why should she
he did promise to save her

[Var]

after he gave her that whole "i will save you" speech she actually looked happy
the fact that she was taken prisoner didnt seem to matter that much anymore just becouse of his reaction to it
i do think she would be ready to die for him
but he also told her not to do anything stupid so its not likely she'll try to kill herself
why should she
he did promise to save her

It's surprising what hope can do to people. Mix it with 'love' (don't quote me on this, I don't want to be eaten by zombie pandas) and you can have a resolve of steel even in the worst situations. Look at Suzaku when he was trying to get himself killed, Euphie woke him up with her declaration and off he went to cloud nine... for two episodes.

[bladeofdarkness]

It's surprising what hope can do to people. Mix it with 'love' (don't quote me on this, I don't want to be eaten by zombie pandas) and you can have a resolve of steel even in the worst situations. Look at Suzaku when he was trying to get himself killed, Euphie woke him up with her declaration and off he went to cloud nine... for two episodes.

that was nice
right until ep 23
just thinking about it makes me a sad panda:upset:

lets hope thats not the case here

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

that was nice
right until ep 23
just thinking about it makes me a sad panda:upset:

lets hope thats not the case here

Well, season 2 has been a lot more "hopeful" in several aspects than season 1 - and i'd like them to continue this, really...

[ZeroSama]

My point was given her personality it's highly unlikely she would cave in under torture. If she did think she was about to crack or they were going to drug it out of her she'd kill herself first.

To me the torture or drugging is unlikely(even though it would probably happen IRL). I just said that to illustrate her loyalty.

[Blue_Mercy]

Well, season 2 has been a lot more "hopeful" in several aspects than season 1 - and i'd like them to continue this, really...

I seriously doubt we will get any more happy ending type arcs, except maybe Kallen's rescue. From here on I see a dark road coming....the only question is who will the doom axe or axes fall on this time? My guess is Shirley and Gino. I'm not sure if even Code Geass has the guts to kill a loli.

[bladeofdarkness]

season 2 mirrors alot of the stuff that happend in season 1
the first 4 ep's in both include
lulu getting geass
lulu leads the knights to victry until an unknown KMF fucks it up but he still manages to kill area 11 gov
lulu dealing with a school mate who has a secret id
lulu pulling off a prison break
then you have a lost battle
a grand plan in ep 8
a new KMF in ep 10 (name of KMF is in the ep name)
a giant battle in ep 11

so far the seasons are too much alike for me to be optimistic

edit: and whatever happens to kallen next ep will seal the question of whether or not suzaku really is lost to the dark side (she has some lines next ep)

[Dream_Traveller]

Ah. And we'll have Carline Le Britannia, the violence lover, ordering a massacre in Turn 22...or another Geass slip-up.

Though, with Carline's tendencies...

[ZeroSama]

season 2 mirrors alot of the stuff that happend in season 1
the first 4 ep's in both include
lulu getting geass
lulu leads the knights to victry until an unknown KMF fucks it up but he still manages to kill area 11 gov
lulu dealing with a school mate who has a secret id
lulu pulling off a prison break
then you have a lost battle
a grand plan in ep 8
a new KMF in ep 10 (name of KMF is in the ep name)
a giant battle in ep 11

so far the seasons are too much alike for me to be optimistic

Except any time he failed in S1 he suceeded or at least stalemated in R2. And Suzaku lost alot.

[bladeofdarkness]

Ah. And we'll have Carline Le Britannia, the violence lover, ordering a massacre in Turn 22...or another Geass slip-up.

Though, with Carline's tendencies...



who's this Carline

[Blue_Mercy]

Ah. And we'll have Carline Le Britannia, the violence lover, ordering a massacre in Turn 22...or another Geass slip-up.

Though, with Carline's tendencies...

True, I'm looking forward to her debut also.

[ZeroForever]

new character

spoiled princess who there have been mini previews in magazines about, she's apparently into violence and hates nunally. You can find pics if you look around.

[Dream_Traveller]

who's this Carline

Fifth princess of the Britannian royal family. She was revealed in old spoilers a while back, a girl who derives pleasure from war and violence, and hates pacifism. She dislikes Nunnally because of her peaceful stance, as well.

[mechalord]

The talk about "following him to the end" and "taking a bullet" for him are used by the writers to illustrate her loyalty towards Lelouch. She swears her life to him when she only knows him as Zero and does it again when she knows Zero is Lelouch. SHe also steps in front of Nina as she lunges towards Zero. This is shown to demonstate her "love" and "loyalty" towards Lelouch. She cares for him unconditionally, I guess. It's epic romance type stuff.

As for the KoR business, I don't she'll end up with him. Again, she is not yet publically know as Zero's love or girlfriend. The pair just barely recognizes their feelings for each other. It's too early in the series to exploit the relationship with a brainwashing story arc.

The dress, it's obvious she can't be in her flight suit all the time. She was probably picked up by her family and given a dress to wear.

There will probably be a cover story to explain her involvement with Zero. How could a girl born to the Statdfelt clan become involved with these people? Easy. . . "she was kidnapped and fell under effects of Stockholm syndrome." Her family will try to "straighten her out."

In Brittania, she'll probably be portrayed as a "Patty Hearst." In the US, a wealthy heiress was kidnapped by a domestic terrorist group and she ultimately joined their caue and became a terrorist herself. I think the writers may go that direction. She'll be released to her family and she'll be publicly depcited as a bored rich girl that got kidnapped by charismatic terrorist leader and was seduced into the movement.

[ZeroSama]

new character

spoiled princess who there have been mini previews in magazines about, she's apparently into violence and hates nunally. You can find pics if you look around.

Probably a big euphie fangirl then after ep 22+23 then:D.

[bladeofdarkness]

The talk about "following him to the end" and "taking a bullet" for him are used by the writers to illustrate her loyalty towards Lelouch. She swears her life to him when she only knows him as Zero and does it again when she knows Zero is Lelouch. SHe also steps in front of Nina as she lunges towards Zero. This is shown to demonstate her "love" and "loyalty" towards Lelouch. She cares for him unconditionally, I guess. It's epic romance type stuff.

As for the KoR business, I don't she'll end up with him. Again, she is not yet publically know as Zero's love or girlfriend. The pair just barely recognizes their feelings for each other. It's too early in the series to exploit the relationship with a brainwashing story arc.

The dress, it's obvious she can't be in her flight suit all the time. She was probably picked up by her family and given a dress to wear.

There will probably be a cover story to explain her involvement with Zero. How could a girl born to the Statdfelt clan become involved with these people? Easy. . . "she was kidnapped and fell under effects of Stockholm syndrome." Her family will try to "straighten her out."


if that happens then this anime might change its name to
zero mensou no musume (The Daughter of zero Faces)

edit: and while i really do hope that her loyalty to him leads to a relationship between the two there is another way this could turn out
she could end up being his battle butler (a follower who serves due to personal loyalty to the master and not out of either money or a goal they seek to gain)
some might argue she already is
hope it doesnt end up that way

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I seriously doubt we will get any more happy ending type arcs, except maybe Kallen's rescue. From here on I see a dark road coming....the only question is who will the doom axe or axes fall on this time? My guess is Shirley and Gino. I'm not sure if even Code Geass has the guts to kill a loli.

I wasn't exactly implying that; I was merely stating that season 2 tries to be a bit more positive in soem regards - especailly on Lelouch's side it would seem.

As for the KoR business, I don't she'll end up with him. Again, she is not yet publically know as Zero's love or girlfriend. The pair just barely recognizes their feelings for each other. It's too early in the series to exploit the relationship with a brainwashing story arc.

The dress, it's obvious she can't be in her flight suit all the time. She was probably picked up by her family and given a dress to wear.

There will probably be a cover story to explain her involvement with Zero. How could a girl born to the Statdfelt clan become involved with these people? Easy. . . "she was kidnapped and fell under effects of Stockholm syndrome." Her family will try to "straighten her out."

I'm hoping that this is it as well. I can't help but feel somewhat pessimistic though... :(

[mechalord]

why? It's more likely she becomes a celebrity amongst the aristocrats for her "slumming it with Zero" than being tortured.

She'll get her scenes with Brittanian high society and confrontations with gossipy girls. It's more likely she is merely taken as an impressionable and stupid rich girl than anything else.

Her family is allegedly powerful. If her story becomes popular in Brittania, she'll be a "Patty Hearst." Wealthy heiress gone bad. The leaked artwork with her on the dress.

Remember, CC is the most important girl to Brittania right now. If there were someone to be captured and experimented on at this point, it would be CC. . . not Kallen.

As I said, Kallen and Lelouch relationship is barely acknowledged by them. They haven't even locked lips yet. Too early for her to end up encased in tentacles within a giant robot or crying while fighting the KoR.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

why?

Oh, I dunno, a trait of pessimism within me, maybe? :uhoh:

As for the rest of it.. We'll see. I really do hope that's it though.

[bladeofdarkness]

she's not really a doll
she is a terrorist
she killed hundreds of mid to high ranking bitannen troopes (you dont get a KMF without it)
and she can kick ass even without the KMF
dont see it

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

she's not really a doll
she is a terrorist
she killed hundreds of mid to high ranking bitannen troopes (you dont get a KMF without it)
and she can kick ass even without the KMF
dont see it

The britannian system is rather corrupt/made to favor it's own to begin with, so I don't see why she couldn't just be returned to her family. We'll see though.

[bladeofdarkness]

actually now that i think about it sunrise somthing like it before
they did it in SEED
they had cagalli's father convince her to leave the archangel that way
it worked
for about two ep's

[mechalord]

she's not really a doll
she is a terrorist
she killed hundreds of mid to high ranking bitannen troopes (you dont get a KMF without it)
and she can kick ass even without the KMF
dont see it

She can't be pinned with anything before she got the Guren.

She hasn't really killed many high ranking Brittanians, it's been Zero. She's killed a lot of grunts. If she is of noble birth and her family is well connected and powerful. . . everything she's done will be solely pinned on Zero. With a "kidnapping" cover story anything she did would be swept under the rug.

Anyhow, it even makes sense that a family such as hers would not want their name run through the mud. Portraying Kallen as a victim would let the Statdfelds save face.

[aurr]

I wonder. Why the hell Zero let her show her face during the whole chess stuff and Tianzi's wedding. What is the secret plan behing these useless personality revieling?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

actually now that i think about it sunrise somthing like it before
they did it in SEED
they had cagalli's father convince her to leave the archangel that way
it worked
for about two ep's

More than that, actually, but unlike GS, Code Geass don't have time for letting Kallen stay away for that long :heh: .

[bladeofdarkness]

I wonder. Why the hell Zero let her show her face during the whole chess stuff and Tianzi's wedding. What is the secret plan behing these useless personality revieling?

she's hes body guard
and she's famous as it is
the gurren's pilot who can match the KOR

[ZeroSama]

More than that, actually, but unlike GS, Code Geass don't have time for letting Kallen stay away for that long :heh: .

Yep. But unfourtunately just because they don't have the time doesn't been it won't happen.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Wi wonder. Why the hell Zero let her show her face during the whole chess stuff and Tianzi's wedding. What is the secret plan behing these useless personality revieling?

Actually, from what Gino and Anya tells, she was known as the Guren's pilot before that. And her hidding or showing her face wouldn't have prevented her from becoming captured or her face being revealed then either... :rolleyes:

[bladeofdarkness]

plus
when its a high class party like that
you have got to bring a hot date
and zero is nothing if not stylish
kaguya is cute
but we dont need more then one pedo bear in that party

[ZeroSama]

Actually, from what Gino and Anya tells, she was known as the Guren's pilot before that. And her hidding or showing her face wouldn't have prevented her from becoming captured or her face being revealed then either... :rolleyes:

She probably forced her way into the group. She has a big bee in her bonnet about protecting him.

[bladeofdarkness]

just noticed something
when kallen is shown in the strait jacket her hair is wrong
she has two hair styles
1)the spiky hair she has when she's with the black knights
2)the flat normal hair she has in school
the difference is made by the red hair band that all the members of ogi's group wear
when ever she wears it it serves to keep the hair out of her eyes and also couses it to have the spiky look
thats why in the first two eps of season 2 as well as ep 7 she has that kind of school hair as she isnt wearing the band
it even happens when she and suzaku are on the island in season 1
but in ep 11 when she is shown with the strait jacket she isnt wearing the hair band but her hair is still spiky for no reason

[orangejuicetang]

producer's mistake?

[Pan chan]

just noticed something
when kallen is shown in the strait jacket her hair is wrong
she has two hair styles
1)the spiky hair she has when she's with the black knights
2)the flat normal hair she has in school
the difference is made by the red hair band that all the members of ogi's group wear
when ever she wears it it serves to keep the hair out of her eyes and also couses it to have the spiky look
thats why in the first two eps of season 2 as well as ep 7 she has that kind of school hair as she isnt wearing the band
it even happens when she and suzaku are on the island in season 1
but in ep 11 when she is shown with the strait jacket she isnt wearing the hair band but her hair is still spiky for no reason

No her hair is naturally spiky, I remember the director said that she needs a lot of time to make her hair straight. It was in a interview or something...

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

No her hair is naturally spiky, I remember the director said that she needs a lot of time to make her hair straight. It was in a interview or something...

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1907/15thperiodhourhe9.jpg
http://rebeleleven.livejournal.com/7767.html#cutid1

[bladeofdarkness]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1907/15thperiodhourhe9.jpg
http://rebeleleven.livejournal.com/7767.html#cutid1

screw lulu x kallen

[Pan chan]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1907/15thperiodhourhe9.jpg
http://rebeleleven.livejournal.com/7767.html#cutid1

It wasn't a interview but I was right, thank you.

Hehe I didn't read it until today, so double thanks, that was funny :heh:.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

It wasn't a interview but I was right, thank you.

Hehe I didn't read it until today, so double thanks, that was funny :heh:.

Well, there might have been an interview too but I don't know about it - though this little conversation does confirm that her spiky hair is her natural state...

Oh, and here's more of those: http://rebeleleven.livejournal.com/tag/bokura+no+hibi

[Pan chan]

Well, there might have been an interview too but I don't know about it - though this little conversation does confirm that her spiky hair is her natural state...

Oh, and here's more of those: http://rebeleleven.livejournal.com/tag/bokura+no+hibi

So Kallen has erotic dreams about Zero ? ROLF, thank you, I did read some translations but this site is more complete :)

bladeofdarkness :

Now you're routing for Milly x Kallen ? :heh:

[bladeofdarkness]

it does have its merits

[Mahmed]

My conspiray theory is that Kallen will cause an uproar in Britannia. The Stadtfeld family being a very powerful has been planning to take over the Brittanian monarchy for very a long time. Kallen could be the focal point to all of it and lead to end up being Queen.
It fits with the info sunrise released for code geass 2nd season that Kallen is critical and will leave the Black Knights. I wouldn't regard her getting together with Lelouch as being critical to the story. In fact I don't even think Lelouch's love interest is that important to the major plotline. (Unless Lelouch rescues her and my theory is dashed without any hope of surviving)

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

My conspiray theory is that Kallen will cause an uproar in Britannia. The Stadtfeld family being a very powerful has been planning to take over the Brittanian monarchy for very a long time. Kallen could be the focal point to all of it and lead to end up being Queen.
It fits with the info sunrise released for code geass 2nd season that Kallen is critical and will leave the Black Knights. I wouldn't regard her getting together with Lelouch as being critical to the story. In fact I don't even think Lelouch's love interest is that important to the major plotline. (Unless Lelouch rescues her and my theory is dashed without any hope of surviving)

So Kallen'd lead a coup against Britannia? That's some MAJOR speculation! :heh:
I don't think it's bad though :) .

[Orga777]

My conspiray theory is that Kallen will cause an uproar in Britannia. The Stadtfeld family being a very powerful has been planning to take over the Brittanian monarchy for very a long time. Kallen could be the focal point to all of it and lead to end up being Queen.
It fits with the info sunrise released for code geass 2nd season that Kallen is critical and will leave the Black Knights. I wouldn't regard her getting together with Lelouch as being critical to the story. In fact I don't even think Lelouch's love interest is that important to the major plotline. (Unless Lelouch rescues her and my theory is dashed without any hope of surviving)

Okay, that may be stretching things a bit TOO far out there. An interesting premise, but I am not sure if it will occur that way... Would be interesting though.

[demon_god04]

Still, if the Stadtfeld family is powerful enough to contest the throne, why is their daughter going to a commoner school in Area 11.

[bladeofdarkness]

Still, if the Stadtfeld family is powerful enough to contest the throne, why is their daughter going to a commoner school in Area 11.


if the Stadtfelds make a move for the crown and actually win
doesnt that mean that lulu's new enemy is kallens family (emperors come and go but the empire stays)

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Still, if the Stadtfeld family is powerful enough to contest the throne, why is their daughter going to a commoner school in Area 11.

If that's the case why the hell is she still in Japan?

[Mahmed]

According to my theory, Zero will help Kallen with the end game. Because Brittania being such a powerful empire might take too long for Zero to defeat even with his United States Alliances. This might be the back door route to winning. I know Lelouch wants to destroy Brittania because he said its rotten to its core (I dont agree with Suzaku's change from within) but a change of leadership might be what is need for Brittania to stop the ideology "Ineqality is justice, the strong should survive".

[Mahmed]

If that's the case why the hell is she still in Japan?

I know my theory doesnt hold much water but I thought it would be an interesting development. Maybe a situation has been created where the Stadtfelds need Kallen. After all she is the illegitimate child of a Stadtfeld and an Eleven woman hence still stuck in Japan. (Werent Lelouch and Nunnaly couriered to Japan as well because of Marianne's death)

[yezhanquan]

I know my theory doesnt hold much water but I thought it would be an interesting development. Maybe a situation has been created where the Stadtfelds need Kallen. After all she is the illegitimate child of a Stadtfeld and an Eleven woman hence still stuck in Japan. (Werent Lelouch and Nunnaly couriered to Japan as well because of Marianne's death)

Well, Charles saw these two children of his as "useless". Even if Marianne had been alive, I doubt she could have stood in Charles's way.

On Kallen being a noble, it is possible, though her actions would have caused major problems to her father, who must have gone to great pains to hide her links to him (so that we haven't heard of the "link" yet). Kallen as a noble IS interesting, but it will open up a can of worms.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Well, Charles saw these two children of his as "useless". Even if Marianne had been alive, I doubt she could have stood in Charles's way..

Yeah well that was AFTER Lelouch threw a tantrum in front of him.

I know Lelouch wants to destroy Brittania because he said its rotten to its core (I dont agree with Suzaku's change from within) but a change of leadership might be what is need for Brittania to stop the ideology "Ineqality is justice, the strong should survive".

I dunno, China was more rotten to its core. At least Britannians keep up a certain standard of living yet Lelouch didn't destroy it.

[ZeroSama]

I'd actually hazard a guess that just like the way the Ashfords supported Marrianne the Stadtfelts could've been the ones that backed Charles. Would explain why they are said to be so powerfull and influential(do you get anymore so than the big daddy) and why Kallen thought she would get off with just a slap on the wrists.

[yezhanquan]

Maybe, that's why Kallen feels that she has to help Lelouch/Zero even more.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I'd actually hazard a guess that just like the way the Ashfords supported Marrianne the Stadtfelts could've been the ones that backed Charles. Would explain why they are said to be so powerfull and influential(do you get anymore so than the big daddy) and why Kallen thought she would get off with just a slap on the wrists.

Oh, that might be possible. I can see how it'd fit with the current story as well - and how ironic it would be in that case that Kallen is supporting Lelouch.

[ZeroSama]

Oh, that might be possible. I can see how it'd fit with the current story as well - and how ironic it would be in that case that Kallen is supporting Lelouch.

Yep. The father supported the old man and Kallen is supporting the son:eyespin:. Talk about fate.

[yezhanquan]

But, somehow, that kind of setting screams "Cagalli". Her father favoured neutrality, while she opt to choose a side. In Kallen's case, choosing opposite sides.... reminds me of Athrun and Patrick.

[ZeroSama]

But, somehow, that kind of setting screams "Cagalli". Her father favoured neutrality, while she opt to choose a side. In Kallen's case, choosing opposite sides.... reminds me of Athrun and Patrick.

She has a reason too however. She's half Japanese, considers herself Japanese and her brother was killed fighting Britannia.

[yezhanquan]

Wait, did they mention if the brother was a half-brother, or full?

[ZeroSama]

Wait, did they mention if the brother was a half-brother, or full?

Half brother. If he was like Kallen there father would've tried to adopt him formally like her. He didn't. Naota died. Kallen got pissed and tried to avenge her brother by destroying Britannia.

[yezhanquan]

So, half as in they shared the same mother. Hmmm...

Anyway, two more days to ep. 12. It's been long waiting.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Anyway, two more days to ep. 12. It's been long waiting.

It's always a long wait. Especially since we're waiting for an update on Kallen's situation...

[yezhanquan]

I will really hate it if Schneizel decided to check up on Kallen and ends up deducing that she will use her father to try and get loose, and gets Suzaku to bring the matter all the way up to Charles.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I will really hate it if Schneizel decided to check up on Kallen and ends up deducing that she will use her father to try and get loose, and gets Suzaku to bring the matter all the way up to Charles.

Why? As far as we know, Schneizel probably know about Charles Geass (it'd make sense that he would keep it as much of a secret as he could), so he wouldn't know what he can do.. Besieds, I'm not certain of why the question of a single POW, no matter how important he/she is (with the exception of Lelouch), would go up all the way to the emperor.

[Kaze]

Why? As far as we know, Schneizel probably know about Charles Geass (it'd make sense that he would keep it as much of a secret as he could), so he wouldn't know what he can do.. Besieds, I'm not certain of why the question of a single POW, no matter how important he/she is (with the exception of Lelouch), would go up all the way to the emperor.

A Trap to nail Lelouch with a sleeper soldier

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

A Trap to nail Lelouch with a sleeper soldier

Hmm, possibly. Still requires him to be aware of the emperor's geass though.

[yezhanquan]

If Kallen is indeed banking on her father's influence to help her in her situation, bringing Charles into the picture will present complication. Charles could easily ask her father to choose between his wealth and prestige, or Kallen.

[ZeroSama]

Hmm, possibly. Still requires him to be aware of the emperor's geass though.

Since Rolo said the geass was a closely guarded secret and kills anyone who finds out, i think its safe to assume rumors may have gotten out about it but no clear details.

[bladeofdarkness]

If Kallen is indeed banking on her father's influence to help her in her situation, bringing Charles into the picture will present complication. Charles could easily ask her father to choose between his wealth and prestige, or Kallen.


can you really see kallen
kallen kozuki
the badass action girl
the ace of the black knights
waiting for her father to save her

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

can you really see kallen
kallen kozuki
the badass action girl
the ace of the black knights
waiting for her father to save her

She probably doesn't expect him to. But he may do so nonetheless. We'll see.

[yezhanquan]

can you really see kallen
kallen kozuki
the badass action girl
the ace of the black knights
waiting for her father to save her

Well, we can cut her down to size very quickly, given the prison setting. We discussed this earlier on.

[bladeofdarkness]

Well, we can cut her down to size very quickly, given the prison setting. We discussed this earlier on.


i forgot one
the badass action girl
the ace of the black knights

and epic tsundere

[yezhanquan]

Like I said, can be cut down to size very easily. Speaking of which, she seems to be one of the few who hasn't received this treatment yet.

[bladeofdarkness]

Like I said, can be cut down to size very easily. Speaking of which, she seems to be one of the few who hasn't receive this treatment yet.


oh geass no :upset:

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

oh geass no :upset:

I don't think he was specifically talking about thre Geass scenario. Let's remember that she's now in a situation where she is totally helpless and at the mercy of her captors and it's in such a situation if anything that you could give in to despair and hope for even the most unlikely things to happen.

[bladeofdarkness]

oh geass no is like oh god no
only code geass related
sorry for the mix up

and i think he could use someon to send her a messge
geass someone to talk to her and tell her everything will be ok and not to give up and that he's coming for her
and then drop in some kind of phrase that she'd know only lulu would know about so she'd know its him behind the speech

[ZeroSama]

oh geass no is like oh god no
only code geass related
sorry for the mix up

and i think he could use someon to send her a messge
geass someone to talk to her and tell her everything will be ok and not to give up and that he's coming for her
and then drop in some kind of phrase that she'd know only lulu would know about so she'd know its him behind the speech

Or turn Anya to his side as seems likely to happen. No one could prevent her seeing Kallen.

Lulu seems to be really holding back on using his geass since EP7. Whether it is because he want's to prevent it going berserk or some other eason only time will tell.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

and i think he could use someon to send her a messge
geass someone to talk to her and tell her everything will be ok and not to give up and that he's coming for her
and then drop in some kind of phrase that she'd know only lulu would know about so she'd know its him behind the speech

Ah, yes, Lelouch might well do something like this indeed. It'd be jsut about the safest way to send her a message without revealing himself.

[Kaze]

Ah, yes, Lelouch might well do something like this indeed. It'd be jsut about the safest way to send her a message without revealing himself.

Isn't that a bit too wishful thinking?
Sounds like a scenario from a romance novel or something :rolleyes:

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Isn't that a bit too wishful thinking?
Sounds like a scenario from a romance novel or something :rolleyes:

Haha, possibly. But it makes sense that he might want to tell her to not lose hope or the like. Or, if he indeed plans to rescue her (hard to see why he wouldn't), somhow inform her of the plan, at least...

Or turn Anya to his side as seems likely to happen. No one could prevent her seeing Kallen.

Well, if he recruits Anya before he rescues Kallen, she's defintively going to be a help as far as that goes. However, it isn't for sure that she'll indeed join Lelouch - the only reason that people think that she will is so far:

1. Her Knightmare is Mordred (the traitor)

2. She has a connection to Lelouch.

[ZeroSama]

Isn't that a bit too wishful thinking?
Sounds like a scenario from a romance novel or something :rolleyes:

He can't do it in person. All that leaves is sending someone who can speak openly to her(KOR) with a message or a member of the student council who can give a disguised message from him.

I think he would want to reassure her that at least He hasn't forgot about her and is working on her rescue, but then again thats just me.

Well, if he recruits Anya before he rescues Kallen, she's defintively going to be a help as far as that goes. However, it isn't for sure that she'll indeed join Lelouch - the only reason that people think that she will is so far:

1. Her Knightmare is Mordred (the traitor)

2. She has a connection to Lelouch.[/QUOTE]

After she took his picture was it just me or was there a glimmer of emotion(confusion) on her face. Thats the first time i've seen any time reaction from her.

Plus the Mech names are resonable. Modred was a traitor and Anya has some connection to Lulu.

Lancelot was the Knight with the greatest martial prowess(Suzaku hax skills) but at the same time 1 who least embodied the knightly creed i.e. running off with his lords wife(selling his friend for power, considering killing a million people peacefully protesting he only changed his mind when he realised that neither Euphie or Nunnally wanted that).

[bladeofdarkness]

if he does use someone in the student council it would be milly
it makes sense after all
she is engaged to loyed who is the only one that the gurren will be handed to
she has shown interest in kallen this season so her wanting to see her does make sense
and i find it hard to see lulu using her for anything else (he does care a great deal for her)

[yezhanquan]

Now, that is the biggest problem. Besides Kallen, the BKs still don't have aces skilled enough to hold off the enemy. She must return to the field, and quickly.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Now, that is the biggest problem. Besides Kallen, the BKs still don't have aces skilled enough to hold off the enemy. She must return to the field, and quickly.

Well, yes and no, I'd say - there is still Rolo and Todou, after all, as well as Xingke - that might be enough to handle the Tristan, Mordred and Lancelot for the time being. And for the time being they aren't exactly at war with Britannia. However, I would expect that if Lelouch want to invade the Britannia mainland, he will want to get Kallen back at or just before that point, because he'll need any cards he can get to handle the KoR who'll undoubtedly be sent out against the OotBk if the mainland is invaded.

[yezhanquan]

I was thinking that only Kallen could hold off Lancelot 1-on-1. Suzaku always held back a little whenever he fights against her.

[Var]

I was thinking that only Kallen could hold off Lancelot 1-on-1. Suzaku always held back a little whenever he fights against her.

Todou soundly bested (not quite defeated) Suzaku in Episode 10.

[yezhanquan]

It really sucks to be Suzaku. Your shisou, best friend and classmate are all fighting against you. (Of course, Lelouch had the Euphie incident against him.)

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

It really sucks to be Suzaku. Your shisou, best friend and classmate are all fighting against you. (Of course, Lelouch had the Euphie incident against him.)

Same goes for Lelouch too, though in a different sense. Last time it was Euphie, the one among his that he (expect for Nunnally of course) cared the most about that opposed him of sorts - and this time it's nunnaly, his sibling that he cares the most for that opposes him - or his ideals at least...

[bladeofdarkness]

I was thinking that only Kallen could hold off Lancelot 1-on-1. Suzaku always held back a little whenever he fights against her.



he didnt know it was her until ep 19
and in ep 6 of r2 (when he knows its her) he blasted her with a hadron canon and sent her falling to her death (she got the upgrade at the last moment)
he even said that this time he wont show her mercy or forgivness

[yezhanquan]

That reminds me: Why has Kallen stuck by Lelouch, instead of trying to help Nunnally, or at least stay by her side to keep an eye on her? No doubt that she wants to crush the Empire, but still..

And blade has put to rest those crazy Suzaku-Kallen shippers... hopefully.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

That reminds me: Why has Kallen stuck by Lelouch, instead of trying to help Nunnally, or at least stay by her side to keep an eye on her? No doubt that she wants to crush the Empire, but still..

Llike most of the OotBK, Kallen wants independence for Japan, not for it to be a colony under britannia. She has also seen and knows well how Britannia works, so she likely doesn't believe in Nunnally's way of doing things. Besides, she has a grude with them for her brother's death and the way her mother ended up...

he didnt know it was her until ep 19
and in ep 6 of r2 (when he knows its her) he blasted her with a hadron canon and sent her falling to her death (she got the upgrade at the last moment)
he even said that this time he wont show her mercy or forgivness

No, no, as I remember the translation, he said that because he had to prioritize Nunnally in that situation he wouldn't ask her for her forgiveness...

[orangejuicetang]

No, no, as I remember the translation, he said that because he had to prioritize Nunnally in that situation he wouldn't ask her for her forgiveness...
I'm not sure, and I might have watched a different translation, but I thought he said that it was too late to ask for forgiveness now?

[yezhanquan]

I'm sure Suzaku isn't that holier-than-thou to think that Kallen should ask for his forgiveness.

[ZeroSama]

I'm not sure, and I might have watched a different translation, but I thought he said that it was too late to ask for forgiveness now?

"I won't ask for your forgiveness" is what i got.

Neither of them will give each any quarter anymore when they encounter each other. Just like before EP 19 when they didn't know each others identities.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I'm not sure, and I might have watched a different translation, but I thought he said that it was too late to ask for forgiveness now?

There's many translations indeed - and unfortunately I can't be too sure myself. I can read japanese after all, but not hear it due tot he fact that I'm deaf, so...

[bladeofdarkness]

you argue about what he said
and yet you somehow ignore the "blasted her with a hadron canon and sent her falling to her death" part
interesting:eyebrow:

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I'm sure Suzaku isn't that holier-than-thou to think that Kallen should ask for his forgiveness.

Well, he did say the same thing to Lelouch in episode 2, "Lelouch, I won't ask for your forgiveness. We're friends after all, right?"

you argue about what he said
and yet you somehow ignore the "blasted her with a hadron canon and sent her falling to her death" part interesting

Haha, not quite. he had no qualms about shooting her at that time, true - but I'd like to think that it was mostly because that he prioritzed Nunnally's safety at that point.

[yezhanquan]

"A plague on Kallen/Suzaku and her/his stiff neck!"

Sorry, couldn't resist the LotR reference.

and lord, you quoted the wrong person =X.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

"A plague on Kallen/Suzaku and her/his stiff neck!"

Sorry, couldn't resist the LotR reference.


:rolleyes: :heh:

and lord, you quoted the wrong person =X.

Right, fixed.

[ZeroSama]

you argue about what he said
and yet you somehow ignore the "blasted her with a hadron canon and sent her falling to her death" part
interesting:eyebrow:

We know he fired the cannon at her thats not in doubt. It was his words before hand. He has moved on. If your a friend, yet you stand in his way, well tough your SOL.

He has prioritised his goals above all else(become Ko1 or improve standard of living for Japanese).

[bladeofdarkness]

so he is willing to kill to protect nanali
thats nice of him
but he shot her from way off in the distence with a float unit
and she was stuck in place and couldnt move (i wonder what he was thinking. if she didnt deflact the hadron blast it would have toasted the ship and killed everyone on it)

[ZeroSama]

so he is willing to kill to protect nanali
thats nice of him
but he shot her from way off in the distence with a float unit
and she was stuck in place and couldnt move (i wonder what he was thinking. if she didnt deflact the hadron blast it would have toasted the ship and killed everyone on it)

The Lancelot's Hadron seems to have a controllable beam(rings appear and constrict the beam) that can be used for precision sniping or clearing grunts, but yes i agree he could've done a Mordred and blew the ship up if he wasn't careful.

He'll kill anyone if it advances his goal.

[Yorae_paladin1]

Llike most of the OotBK, Kallen wants independence for Japan, not for it to be a colony under britannia. She has also seen and knows well how Britannia works, so she likely doesn't believe in Nunnally's way of doing things. Besides, she has a grude with them for her brother's death and the way her mother ended up...



No, no, as I remember the translation, he said that because he had to prioritize Nunnally in that situation he wouldn't ask her for her forgiveness...

That's true however in my humble opinion what happens with Kallens mom was not Britannias fault at all it was Kallen for wanting to be a revolutionary rather than a daughter. That woman stayed cause of Kallen. Had she had nothing in that place had Kallen not been worth anything to her Kallen's mom would have volted off that place long ago. That is a nasty truth Kallen is unwilling to face. In short Britannia provided the refrain but it was Kallen herself who provided the reason to use it.

As for her brother he took a gamble facing Britannia and lost an OH(occupational hazzard) when up against a super power.

[Silver Soul]

That's true however in my humble opinion what happens with Kallens mom was not Birtannias fault at all it was Kallen for wanting to be a revolutionary rather than a daughter. That woman stayed cause of Kallen. Had she had nothing in that place had Kallen not been worth anything to her Kallen's mom would have volted off that place long ago. That is a nasty truth Kallen is unwilling to face. In short Britannia provided the refiran but it was Kallen herself who provided the reason to use it.

As for her brother he took a gamble facing Britannia and lost an OH(occupational hazzard) when up against a super power.

Alot people likes to take Lelouch/OotBK side when it comes to judging the acts of individuals on Britannia everything that's happen to the Japanese has always been about choice, it was Genbu choice to let his people die in battle all for the sake of Japan's pride, it was Kallen's mother's choice to become what she had sought out all for Kallen sake but as a result she used Refrain and endedup in the state she is currently in while serving a 20 year sentence even the deaths of her brother, inoue, senba etc. who fought against Britannian forces and lost so why are they to blame for doing what they do protect their forces. Alot people seem to forget that there is no black or white in this series for all we know every character (outside perhaps Nunnally and Euphie) are shades of gray (we still don't know what Charles and V.V. are up to yet)

[demon_god04]

Judging something does not automatically mean you are putting it into the context of finely defined good and evil or black and white. To judge something is to hold it through your own moral code and how it measures up to your own beliefs of right and wrong. There is a reason why people have differing opinions on Suzaku and Lelouch's way of doing things, not only because people automatically paint one side white and the other black. Many people who do argue such points against Britannia also agree basically all characters in this show are in shade of grey, Although in my personal opinion Nunnally and Euphie are both so pure white that they would blind the eyes, but I digress.

[Silver Soul]

Judging something does not automatically mean you are putting it into the context of finely defined good and evil or black and white. To judge something is to hold it through your own moral code and how it measures up to your own beliefs of right and wrong. There is a reason why people have differing opinions on Suzaku and Lelouch's way of doing things, not only because people automatically paint one side white and the other black. Many people who do argue such points against Britannia also agree basically all characters in this show are in shade of grey, Although in my personal opinion Nunnally and Euphie are both so pure white that they would blind the eyes, but I digress.

Well exactly I never labeled any side good or evil since both sides have qualifications of good and evil but its best to consider all of them in gray because both sides are screwed if the other side wins and we probably will end up with the same hierarchy that the Britannians put into place in the beginning.

[prototype_sky]

I wonder if they will bribe Kallen with releasing her mom early and giving her status if she becomes a double agent.

[Dann of Thursday]

I wonder if they will bribe Kallen with releasing her mom early and giving her status if she becomes a double agent.

I don't think she would go for that myself. Couldn't she just be released if the Order won?

[demon_god04]

If anything, they would just threaten her mother or something rather then cut a deal to let her mom go free.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

If anything, they would just threaten her mother or something rather then cut a deal to let her mom go free.

Has there been any follow-up with Kallen's mom?

I mean since her identity has been revealed don't you think they would've already done so? Why do it when they have her?

[Var]

Has there been any follow-up with Kallen's mom?

I mean since her identity has been revealed don't you think they would've already done so? Why do it when they have her?

I'd imagine her actual mother is not recorded anywhere, and Kallen is considered the child of her step-mother.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Hmmm that means they could use her step-mother....

"We got your mother, either you tell us the where the base is or we'll blow her head off!"

"Yeah sure go ahead" Might work in her favour.

Though if that's the case then it'd maybe difficult to blackmail her.

[demon_god04]

Hmmm that means they could use her step-mother....

"We got your mother, either you tell us the where the base is or we'll blow her head off!"

"Yeah sure go ahead"

Her step mother is still a Stadtfeld, I doubt they would go that far with her.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

More likely that her father might be caught into a tight spot here... althrough that's anyone's guess. After all, if they wanted to use her family against her, why haven't they done so up until now?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Unknown what happened to "papa" it's possible that he maybe brought in where he tries to plea with her.

I mean it could go that her father wasn't aware of the situation that she was in so it wouldn't make sense to use him. However, now that she's in custody, he's forced to come in and try to help her out.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

okay, so now we know that Nunnally will most certainly save Kallen from any greater punishment - she'll either have her released or sentenced to house arrest or something like that at most. But what'll this mean for Kallen's role in the story as such goes, one wonders? Bye-bye, ace of the Black Knights, perhaps? :(

[yezhanquan]

Diplomat advising Nunnally? Also, can she keep Lulu's secret?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Diplomat advising Nunnally?

Sounds a bit far-fetched considering her situation, but perhaps...

Also, can she keep Lulu's secret?

Well, it depends on. If Nunnally hints at that she knows, then perhaps...

[yezhanquan]

Sounds a bit far-fetched considering her situation, but perhaps...



Well, it depends on. If Nunnally hints at that she knows, then perhaps...

Agreed on first point. To do that will mean that she accepts her father's connections and become part of the system that she hates to the core. Is her suspicion of Suzaku (on harming Nunnally) enough to convince her to take this course of action?

[bladeofdarkness]

is it just me
or does kallen seem a bit broken
when Nunnally opens the door kallen says some defient things (basiclly "go on. do your worst)
but she doesnt sound defient at all (she sounds like she's given up)
and she doesnt even bother looking up to see who she's talking to (usually thats a sign of weakness and despeir)
i dont think they did anything to her
but she just seem to have lost hope of being rescued

and as far as what would happen to her
i would at least expect Nunnally to ask her about her lulu
after all should be clear to Nunnally (if she really did conect the dots) that her brother had a whole other life that she wasnt aware of and kallen was a part of
id expect to see that much convertion between them at least
it also gives kallen a chance to gain a better understanding of lulu and why he did all the things he did
the two in some ways even reflect each other
both are young women who grow up in complicated familys
both had older brothers who they shared a close relationship with
both lost those brothers and are now living their lives trying to live the way they belive their brothers would have wanted them to

[Var]

is it just me
or does kallen seem a bit broken
when Nunnally opens the door kallen says some defient things (basiclly "go on. do your worst)
but she doesnt sound defient at all (she sounds like she's given up)
and she doesnt even bother looking up to see who she's talking to (usually thats a sign of weakness and despeir)
i dont think they did anything to her
but she just seem to have lost hope of being rescued


No, she doesn't look broken. People who are broken don't say what she said, they beg to be put out of their misery. She tells them that she is ready for anything, but no matter what they may do she won't talk. No looking at someone is also a sign of disgust or general uncaring of who it is, in her situation, for instance, she doesn't give a damn.

Hope is the last thing a person loses. Many die before they lose hope.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

is it just me
or does kallen seem a bit broken
when Nunnally opens the door kallen says some defient things (basiclly "go on. do your worst)
but she doesnt sound defient at all (she sounds like she's given up)
and she doesnt even bother looking up to see who she's talking to (usually thats a sign of weakness and despeir)
i dont think they did anything to her
but she just seem to have lost hope of being rescued

I agree with Var; I don't think that's the case. I think she was just telling them that she was ready for the worst, neither more nor less...

[Aquaman OS]

It's too bad the wrapped up they Ashford antics without her and she didn't get to see Milly off, but I guess that was never really her place to begin with.

[Lolipopo]

It's too bad the wrapped up they Ashford antics without her and she didn't get to see Milly off, but I guess that was never really her place to begin with.

Too bad that one more time, after all the "I'll save you", Lelouch didn't even give a damn about Kallen.
He has tome to date 108 girl (like father like son...thanks Sayoko <_<') and there isn't even a moment where he can be a little worry about her ? She could very well have been tortured or killed, but nothing.

I know that they have to deal with Shirley/Orange but even...just one little moment, or one thought or something -_-

I don't know to your part, but I felt a bit frustrated about this.
Let's hope that we'll see true interactions with Nunally next time.

[Traece]

Lolipopo: I get where you're coming from. That is slightly saddening, but we know better than that. Lelouch will get to it as soon as he can.. v_v;

Kallen acts the way she did not because she lost hope, but because she HAS hope. She loves Lelouch and she thinks (not so naively) that Lelouch has feelings for her. So she is expecting him to arrive one of these days randomly and bring her out of her miserable cell and back in to the world of mass murder and intense combat. How romantic! <3

So she's more challenging them, rather then having been broken.

[Timeless Enigma]

Too bad that one more time, after all the "I'll save you", Lelouch didn't even give a damn about Kallen.
He has tome to date 108 girl (like father like son...thanks Sayoko <_<') and there isn't even a moment where he can be a little worry about her ? She could very well have been tortured or killed, but nothing.

I know that they have to deal with Shirley/Orange but even...just one little moment, or one thought or something -_-

I don't know to your part, but I felt a bit frustrated about this.
Let's hope that we'll see true interactions with Nunally next time.

That's either intentional or just poor characterization by the writers, but I also find the complete lack of "I wonder how Kallen" type moments very perturbing.

The world of mass murder and intense combat eh? A new Bonnie and Clyde!

[Var]

Too bad that one more time, after all the "I'll save you", Lelouch didn't even give a damn about Kallen.
He has tome to date 108 girl (like father like son...thanks Sayoko <_<') and there isn't even a moment where he can be a little worry about her ? She could very well have been tortured or killed, but nothing.

I know that they have to deal with Shirley/Orange but even...just one little moment, or one thought or something -_-

I don't know to your part, but I felt a bit frustrated about this.
Let's hope that we'll see true interactions with Nunally next time.

Lelouch is not a person to be visibly shown worrying about things he has no control over, it only makes it harder to achieve his goal. Also, remember the reason that he came to Japan was for Kallen (and to check on Sayako).


That's either intentional or just poor characterization by the writers, but I also find the complete lack of "I wonder how Kallen" type moments very perturbing.

The world of mass murder and intense combat eh? A new Bonnie and Clyde!


It's partly one and partly good characterization. As I said above, Lelouch does not show worry even when worried, it would be a little odd for him to randomly muse about Kallen when he currently has no leads (remember, a lot of what happens in CG happens behind the scenes). On the other note: If they had thrown it in there they'd have nullified just about everything that Shirley gained in the Episode. Which would, simply, ruin the dramatic effect of it all.

[Rising Dragon]

I think that Lelouch is not worried about Kallen being tortured and killed is because he knows Suzaku wouldn't do that. Despite the whole "Take away my possessions" bit because that's different from torturing/executing a friend. SoI don't think Lelouch is worried about Kallen's physical condition.

[Var]

"Take away my possessions"

Wrong translation. It is not possessions, it's precious/important, hence why Nunally was listed.

[Rising Dragon]

Wrong translation. It is not possessions, it's precious/important, hence why Nunally was listed.

I wasn't trying to be specific, so I wasn't worried about the translation. As it is, you still know what I'm talking about.

[Var]

I wasn't trying to be specific, so I wasn't worried about the translation. As it is, you still know what I'm talking about.

Well, my point is that the different words imply different things. I may have understood but that doesn't mean everyone did.

[Rising Dragon]

Well, my point is that the different words imply different things. I may have understood but that does mean everyone did.

You mean doesn't, right? But at any rate, what I meant was that despite his apparent anger at Suzaku, Lelouch felt that no harm would come to her since Suzaku was in charge of handling her incarceration.

[Var]

You mean doesn't, right? But at any rate, what I meant was that despite his apparent anger at Suzaku, Lelouch felt that no harm would come to her since Suzaku was in charge of handling her incarceration.

Yes, sorry, completely missed my own little skip of a preposition. Frankly, he has no idea as to what is to happen to her, he doesn't even know if she's in Suzaku's hands. That's why he left China in such a hurry, where in reality he should have stayed longer to make sure things were truly stabilized. He's taking a gamble leaving everything in C.C.'s hands, even if she may be a good leader. This episode spanned only a couple of days, in which he was hectically trying to keep up his fake persona. If he fails there, he'll fail to save Kallen.

[orangejuicetang]

But doesn't he know that Kallen is in Suzuku's hands, since they told him that she had been transferred to the Knight of Seven who is Suzuku?

[Traece]

Yes but who knows what has happened since then? As it is Nunally has taken Kallen (or so it would seem), so Kallen really isn't in Suzaku's hands anymore.

[bladeofdarkness]

we dont know that she's taken her at all
she could just be visiting her
we dont even know where she was kept (she could in theory still be on the avalon) this ep

i wonder how he planed on finding her in the first place

and if i remember right what he said to c.c was "there is also the matter of kallen"
meaning that he could have gone back to area 11 for another reason
he also didnt seem to mention her to either rolo or vileta who's help he could use in finding or rescuing her

[Silver Soul]

we dont know that she's taken her at all
she could just be visiting her
we dont even know where she was kept (she could in theory still be on the avalon) this ep

i wonder how he planed on finding her in the first place

and if i remember right what he said to c.c was "there is also the matter of kallen"
meaning that he could have gone back to area 11 for another reason
he also didnt seem to mention her to either rolo or vileta who's help he could use in finding or rescuing her

I guess Viletta in it for good huh? I wonder what Jeremiah has anything to say about her working for Lelouch

[wtfftw]

Too bad that one more time, after all the "I'll save you", Lelouch didn't even give a damn about Kallen.
He has tome to date 108 girl (like father like son...thanks Sayoko <_<') and there isn't even a moment where he can be a little worry about her ? She could very well have been tortured or killed, but nothing.

I know that they have to deal with Shirley/Orange but even...just one little moment, or one thought or something -_-

I don't know to your part, but I felt a bit frustrated about this.
Let's hope that we'll see true interactions with Nunally next time.my thoughts exactly.

At 1st when the door opened i thought it would be Gino since he is all about how pretty kallen is instead its nunnaly. Hopefully she will set her free.

[yezhanquan]

Even if it's Nunnally, Kallen won't go scot-free.

[orangejuicetang]

Well, like it has been said before, but he might have not been worried because he knew that Suzuku was the one who had Kallen. Before when he was freaking it, was the Chinese Federation who had captured her, and he didn't know what they would do, but he understands Suzuku and realizes that nothing bad would probably happen.

[Phantom-Takaya]

Bad meaning that Charles possibly Geassing her isn't bad? I'd be worried.

[orangejuicetang]

Well bad in that no torture or execution. Though Geassing is bad, though I don't think it is bad as being tortured or being executed.

[Phantom-Takaya]

I get the feeling that Kallen will try to "talk sense" to Nunnally, but Nunnally's assistant-person-thing will intervene before she could make any major impact.

[yezhanquan]

I get the feeling that Kallen will try to "talk sense" to Nunnally, but Nunnally's assistant-person-thing will intervene before she could make any major impact.

Even without Suzaku, I think Nunnally will hardly budge. Kallen's words vs. Euphie's dream: no contest there, as I see it.

[Var]

I get the feeling that Kallen will try to "talk sense" to Nunnally, but Nunnally's assistant-person-thing will intervene before she could make any major impact.

I get the feeling that Kallen will save Nunally from Princess-Bitch #2. If that happens, Kalulu fans will shit themselves in giggly excitement.

They really threw that in there as if to slap every other pairing in the face. Nunally is the most important person to Lelouch, getting close to her is getting closer to Lelouch by leaps and bounds. Shirley finally remembered her, though.

[honeypie_0106]

Wrong translation. It is not possessions, it's precious/important, hence why Nunally was listed.

Thanks Var, I didn't really see the importance of that last bit, not until you've corrected the translation.

I'm sad to see my Q1 out of the limelight in exchange for some screetime by Shirley -- out of all the harem girls, I find her the most unintresting one..:heh:

I like the Ace, she's a kick ass girl, who isn't too tsundere....

[Var]

I'm sad to see my Q1 out of the limelight in exchange for some screetime by Shirley -- out of all the harem girls, I find her the most unintresting one..:heh:


I get the feeling that Kallen will save Nunally from Princess-Bitch #2. If that happens, Kalulu fans will shit themselves in giggly excitement.

They really threw that in there as if to slap every other pairing in the face. Nunally is the most important person to Lelouch, getting close to her is getting closer to Lelouch by leaps and bounds. Shirley finally remembered her, though.

I'm not complaing to be honest. >.>

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Bad meaning that Charles possibly Geassing her isn't bad? I'd be worried.

Given the fact that she's being held in Japan I don't see Charles geassing her. If he does I'd be surprised.

I get the feeling that Kallen will try to "talk sense" to Nunnally, but Nunnally's assistant-person-thing will intervene before she could make any major impact.

What do you mean sense? You mean sense as in let me go?

She's brought peace to Japan. Even Odyssessus has confirmed that for us and from what the Emperor stated, he doesn't have an issue with it (or shouldn't). So what sense can Kallen bring to her? The whole point of Lelouch exiling Zero was to remove the Black Knights from Japan.

I get the feeling that Kallen will save Nunally from Princess-Bitch #2. If that happens, Kalulu fans will shit themselves in giggly excitement.

I have a feeling that girl's all talk and no walk but why she would even go near Nunnally.

[Var]

I have a feeling that girl's all talk and no walk but why she would even go near Nunnally.

These royals, baring the tranquil Odyseus, have been shown to go out of their way for a grudge. Even Cornelia did it in S1.

So I wouldn't be surprised if she did try something.

[Traece]

I'm not going to lie... If that little girl had the nerve to speak out her hostile bull#@*( in my presence, I would put her in her place... I'm not going to lie... That little @$^# would be in for one heck of a cussing out.