Character Discussion - C.C

[Elicit]

By romantically suggestive you mean that one scene where he put that jacket on her. That would be it. There really hasn't been much to suggest it will happen. I just think you WANT it to happen.

He's probably mentioning all those other moments Kallen was by herself, Kallen went in as a bunny girl to make contact him, that scene in the control room, his teasing about not revealing their relationship... All of which could still be interpreted as something other than romance, if only the romance is mighty little. :rolleyes:

Yes, I can feel the pure love ooze out of the screen as those two are on screen together.

Her understanding him better, her being embarressed and jealous while C.C. flaunts how she is closer to him than her, which really just made things worse.

I don't want it to happen despite what I may indicate.

C.C. flaunts? More like teasing on her part. How did doing that make anything worse?

You're doing a great job on the last part, tho'.

[Dann of Thursday]

The fact she made a point of it is something you should never do because you are begging to end up being screwed over in the end.

I guess I am.

[thedonkiluminati]

Her understanding him better, her being embarressed and jealous while C.C. flaunts how she is closer to him than her, which really just made things worse.

I don't want it to happen despite what I may indicate.

That indicates that she likes him. Big surprise.:rolleyes: We knew that season one. But his feelings towards her? I'm not sure she's reached friend status in his eyes yet.

[orangejuicetang]

She's gotten more scenes than the other girls so far and there has been more interaction between her and Lelouch. As well as more romantically suggestive and hinting scenes. She's gotten the most scenes by far, but those scenes don't really scream romance to me. I thought that C.C.'s kiss in R1, and the Shirley scene + flashback in R3 each had more romance hints that all of Kallen's scenes combined. Though like someone mentioned, its only been 6 episodes

[Dann of Thursday]

Episode 7 should take care of that and it seems a bit odd to go that far and not continue.

No romance in season 1 so those scenes are meaningless.

[thedonkiluminati]

Episode 7 should take care of that and it seems a bit odd to go that far and not continue.

No romance in season 1 so those scenes are meaningless.

If there was no romance in season one, there ain't none this season either.

[DJ_RockmanX]

If there was no romance in season one, there ain't none this season either.

I get the feeling that your words have just been marked by many.

[orangejuicetang]

which scenes? The ones I mentioned are all in season 2. I'm talking about the part where C.C. kissed Lelouch and returns his memories to him in the first episode of season 2, and the shirley shopping mall trip + his remorse at erasing her memories, which happened in episode 3 of season 2. And episode 7 isn't even out yet. How do we even know that the it's Lelouch shadow that covers Kallen's face and not someone elses? It could be Rollo, or someone else.

[Elicit]

No. Seriously, no. Just one episode in the beginning of the series does not wrap things up and close C.C. off from Lelouch like that. Doing that would be bad writing to just rush it all up in one episode. In fact, I feel like Kallen's going to screw up a moment with Lelouch badly to drop things dramatically in a later episode. Yup, that's gonna happen. Then the baton will be thrown back at C.C.

And, besides, in episode summaries, Turn 8 is the one presumably has Lelouch see something to really get back on his feet. Could it be Kallen-related again if her moment was had in Turn 7? Possibly. Could C.C. have something to do with what he sees? Again, possibly. Could it be something else? Possibly.

Anyway, anyone else think that, with the more prominent appearance of V.V. in recent episode, this'll bring in more C.C.? Like, she would become more involved as V.V. does his thing, whatever it is? Considering they are tied in several ways with each other...

[Used Can]

given C.C's complete lack of focus and the large focus on Kallen
Is it me are most of your posts read: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! !!!!?

Honestly mate, get a grip.

C.C. didn't get much development in the first episodes of S1 either, and we're barely in episode 6 of S2. Also, the writers cannot be biased, and give only relevant scenes to C.C. (as in S1); other characters need proper development, and interactions with Lelouch as well. C.C. will get more scenes when the time comes; right now it is quite difficult to give her more screen-time for blatant reasons.

Also, what is this "large focus on Kallen" you're talking about? She certainly has considerably more focus than she had in S1, but a large one?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well, C.C. cannot be given too much focus this early, probably. After all, she hides a lot of secrets and whenever she's going to be given some serious focus, these secrets are going to start to get revealed, thus we might not see much focus on her before late in the series...

[Esper 28]

Wow...

What in the world are we talking about here? It just seems like this is turning into a "I want Kallen to be with Lelouch and that means C.C. has no chance!" The basis, or lack thereof, of your argument is awful, Dann. I'm sorry, but you're not making any argument what-so-ever to defend your point of view on the topic.

No romance in season 1 so those scenes are meaningless.

What does this even mean, dude? You do realize that season 2 picks up where season 1 left off, right? That means that everything that happened in the first season carries over into the second season. Thus, all "romantic" scenes from the first season do, in fact, get applied to the second season. As a side note, there was as much, if not more, romance in the first season than there has been in the second season. I mean, Suzaku and Euphie alone should warrant a second look at season one as far as romance is concerned.

Here, Dann, I'll formulate a somewhat respectable argument for you and then, after it is attacked, you can back it up with proof because, honestly, I'm a pro-CCxLelouch guy. I think the two of them deserve each other. Anyway, to your argument...

You should say that the reason why the liklihood of a relationship between C.C. and Lelouch is as about as likely as Frosty the Snowman staging a coup in Hell is because C.C. is not a mortal and she belongs to something other than the human race. That the very fact that she is immortal and has magical powers, should be an indicator that a relationship with a mortal would be out of the question. You would say, Dann, that a love relationship between the two just wouldn't be practical that, even if those feelings between them existed, there would be a good chance that they would be purposely ignored by one or both parties involved. You could easily make the argument that, sure, there is some chemistry between the two, but at the end of the story, they won't be together for any number of various reasons that are unpredictable because we don't know how the story will turn out.

So, in other words, yeah, there is definitely something there, but it's likely that nothing will come of it because of C.C.'s unique situation within the Code Geass world.

However, I wouldn't subscribe to your theory, Dann, because I think that C.C. is going to die before the series is over. That Lelouch and C.C. will, before all is set and done, confess their feelings for one another. I predict that C.C. shall die in Lelouch's arms! Though I want to make clear, unlike you in your many posts, my ideas are pure conjecture!


Anyway, anyone else think that, with the more prominent appearance of V.V. in recent episode, this'll bring in more C.C.? Like, she would become more involved as V.V. does his thing, whatever it is? Considering they are tied in several ways with each other...

Definitely. I have a feeling we'll be teased with a few C.C./V.V. confrontations with none of them amounting to anything until the end, where they could possibly have some sort of showdown.

Well, C.C. cannot be given too much focus this early, probably. After all, she hides a lot of secrets and whenever she's going to be given some serious focus, these secrets are going to start to get revealed, thus we might not see much focus on her before late in the series...

I agree with you on this. C.C.'s so mysterious that they're going to keep us guessing right up until the end. Like I've stated in other places on the forum, I think C.C. has her hands in everything and, like you said, we won't find out to what extent much later on in the series.

[mechalord]

watch the first episode again. . . listen to or read what happens during the geass contract.

Mix in the possibility that C.C. could be the matriarch of the Brittanian Empire, possible the first queen.

Charles is going off about Ragnarok and how the myth begins again. What if Lelouch is similar to the first emperor? What if Kallen is a lot like C.C. in her mortal days? Notice that in the ending credits both C.C. and Kallen are dressed in the same outfit.

Just because Lelouch and Kallen may become a couple doesn't mean C.C.'s role will be diminished. She could end up the most important character on Earth and could possibly be the origin/mother of Brittania. What if her descendents turned on her, imprisoned her, locked her away, and forgot the key until she escaped?

What if she is motivated by revenge? What if she is like Darth Kreia in Star Wars: KOTOR 2? If you aren't familiar with the story, Kreia was the main Sith Lord and her students betrayed her, blinded her, and then exiled her. I think they even blinded her to a part of the force. So she comes across the amnesiac exiled jedi who has been blinded to the force as well and decides to train him. She is like a mother figure to him and her main intention is use him to get revenge on her former apprentices.



What if in one of her descendents. . . Lelouch and his "mate" she sees formation of a new empire. . . a recreation of the union that brought her together with the original king of Brittania but done the right way? Remember that the first King of Brittania fought off the superior forces of the romans so they never ever took a foothold on Brittain. He fought them off and founded an Empire that would consume most of the world. What if C.C. was by his side?

What if Lelouch is just like that original king? He would be in the same pickle.. . fighting a guerrilla war against a massive empire.

Imagine
- C.C. was involved with the first Emperor
- C.C. was knocked up by the first Emperor a few times
- C.C. was into druidic magic/worshipped these jupiter gods
- C.C. or her husband screwed up and she ended up cursed or "damned."
- she was pregnant when she was cursed and gave birth to V.V . . . V.V. got pissed about being a freak.
- she had children before being curses and had one son that was just like his father. V.V. and him were close. V.V. got really lonely when he died and decided to mentor his brothers descendents and curse his mother.
- she outlives her greatest love, her descendents hate her and then screw her over
- she wanders the ages after she escapes thinking about what happened and kind of hating her family
- she spies on the royal family
- royal family rediscover their ties to her, V.V. sees no problem with that
- they screw her over again
- her 10,000th descendent is born at a certain time and he reminds her of the first king, All the cosmic forces are in place, he is attuned to Ragnarok just like the first kind of Brittania. He is a chosen one.
- cosmic forces make sure Lelouch and Kallen meet. Kallen is attuned to Ragnarok in a similar war C.C. was.
- Kallen and Lelouch are like C.C+ First Emperor Part 2.
- C.C. plans on killing the gods and making sure both V.V. and her die so they can go see daddy and big brother in the afterife.
- C.C. turns over the keys to Kallen who may probably end up knocked up at the end of the series.

[Esper 28]

Honestly, mechalord, there just seems to be a whole lot of "imagines" and "what ifs" in your theory to really be considered much. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence to support what you're proposing. At like, all.

Though I always love a KOTOR reference. KOTOR was superior to KOTOR2, but that's neither here nor there. :heh:

I :love: Bastila.

[Dann of Thursday]

If there was no romance in season one, there ain't none this season either.

Taniguchi said there would be romantic developments for Lelouch this season.

which scenes? The ones I mentioned are all in season 2. I'm talking about the part where C.C. kissed Lelouch and returns his memories to him in the first episode of season 2, and the shirley shopping mall trip + his remorse at erasing her memories, which happened in episode 3 of season 2. And episode 7 isn't even out yet. How do we even know that the it's Lelouch shadow that covers Kallen's face and not someone elses? It could be Rollo, or someone else.

The C.C. kissing Lelouch scene was purely business in nature and really wasn't romantic in any sense at all, though I suppose the scene before that could possibly be interpreted as such. I know I felt happy with the way she said his name before he caught her. I suppose the scene with Shirley does count as a romantic one in some ways, though the time where Lelouch takes action will probably be the time where everything is decided.

No. Seriously, no. Just one episode in the beginning of the series does not wrap things up and close C.C. off from Lelouch like that. Doing that would be bad writing to just rush it all up in one episode. In fact, I feel like Kallen's going to screw up a moment with Lelouch badly to drop things dramatically in a later episode. Yup, that's gonna happen. Then the baton will be thrown back at C.C.

And, besides, in episode summaries, Turn 8 is the one presumably has Lelouch see something to really get back on his feet. Could it be Kallen-related again if her moment was had in Turn 7? Possibly. Could C.C. have something to do with what he sees? Again, possibly. Could it be something else? Possibly.

Anyway, anyone else think that, with the more prominent appearance of V.V. in recent episode, this'll bring in more C.C.? Like, she would become more involved as V.V. does his thing, whatever it is? Considering they are tied in several ways with each other...

Possible I suppose, though they did move Kallen's story (whatever that is) to R2 and we still need to get through that.

Actually, that was turn 7 where he sees something. Turn 8 has him back on his feet already.

Well, Okouchi said that "they cannot tolerate the other's existence" so I would think that once he starts being more active she might be in her pursuit to stop him or whatever. It's not really stated how they are tied sometimes.

...

Despite what my posts may indicate, I'm not a LelouchXKallen fan. I'm pro LelouchXC.C. as well though a very unhopeful and pessimistic one at that.

I agree she'll end up dying in the end though since there really isn't any way they could ever get a somewhat happy ending together though I wish someone would do something like that for once. Why do they always need to die?

Honestly, mechalord, there just seems to be a whole lot of "imagines" and "what ifs" in your theory to really be considered much. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence to support what you're proposing. At like, all.

Though I always love a KOTOR reference. KOTOR was superior to KOTOR2, but that's neither here nor there. :heh:

I :love: Bastila.

I'd have to agree with you on this one. Do I sound like this?

Agreed on the second point as well.

[dom33]

Honestly, mechalord, there just seems to be a whole lot of "imagines" and "what ifs" in your theory to really be considered much. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence to support what you're proposing. At like, all.

Though I always love a KOTOR reference. KOTOR was superior to KOTOR2, but that's neither here nor there. :heh:

I :love: Bastila.

I agree with the first part considering how outrageous some of his "what ifs" are.

agree more with the second point Bastila rules.

@Dann yes you can pretty bad sometimes. It's okay though happens to us all.

[evil|plushie]

Dann. Killing the enjoyment of everyone else watching Code Geass one post at a time. -_-

And how did this thread turn into a Kallen X lulu or Lulux C.C romance speculation?

[Stretch5920]

Dann. Killing the enjoyment of everyone else watching Code Geass one post at a time. -_-

And how did this thread turn into a Kallen X lulu or Lulux C.C romance speculation?

because Dann brings it up in every thread.

[Narona]

Though I always love a KOTOR reference. KOTOR was superior to KOTOR2, but that's neither here nor there. :heh:

I :love: Bastila.
I would love if C.C.'s backstory is like Revan's one (be on the bad side, *some 'memory problems'* then go to the good side [If you choose the good side])

KOTOR was a great RPG. (I dislike KOTOR2)

Kotor is one of my favorite RPG on the PC. (Baldur's Gate 2 is my all time favorite)

[Ice_Bullet]

Taniguchi said there would be romantic developments for Lelouch this season.



The C.C. kissing Lelouch scene was purely business in nature and really wasn't romantic in any sense at all, though I suppose the scene before that could possibly be interpreted as such. I know I felt happy with the way she said his name before he caught her. I suppose the scene with Shirley does count as a romantic one in some ways, though the time where Lelouch takes action will probably be the time where everything is decided.



Possible I suppose, though they did move Kallen's story (whatever that is) to R2 and we still need to get through that.

Actually, that was turn 7 where he sees something. Turn 8 has him back on his feet already.

Well, Okouchi said that "they cannot tolerate the other's existence" so I would think that once he starts being more active she might be in her pursuit to stop him or whatever. It's not really stated how they are tied sometimes.



Despite what my posts may indicate, I'm not a LelouchXKallen fan. I'm pro LelouchXC.C. as well though a very unhopeful and pessimistic one at that.

I agree she'll end up dying in the end though since there really isn't any way they could ever get a somewhat happy ending together though I wish someone would do something like that for once. Why do they always need to die?



I'd have to agree with you on this one. Do I sound like this?

Agreed on the second point as well.

romantic developments for lelouch? awesome!. yes. C.C kissing lelouch was part of getting his memories back.. its like sleeping beauty for some reason... anyway i don't think lelouch will end up with shirely..or it could be possible. he could be plagued with guilty after what he did to her. maybe he would just make her happy? xD

kallen's story i feel is a side story. although they did elaborate on it in season 1. it can be achieved by following lelouch's story. as most of the problems from the main characters come from britinnia so if it would to fall. well. most problems will have a resolve.

i have a gutsy feeling that C.C and V.V will die=\ i dont know why. damn.. and im pro lelouch X C.C too. don't worry brother! things will look up! (i hope =x)

it doesn't have to end that way. anyway we are only in 6 out of 25/26/27 episode this season has.. so like i said. thing will look up.. i hope..

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I agree with you on this. C.C.'s so mysterious that they're going to keep us guessing right up until the end. Like I've stated in other places on the forum, I think C.C. has her hands in everything and, like you said, we won't find out to what extent much later on in the series.

Yeah. Well, she'll eventually be given more focus as such, we can be sure of that.

As far as KOTOR goes, I prerfer the second game to the first, much thanks tot he system allows you to affect the alignament of your companions! :D

[Dann of Thursday]

because Dann brings it up in every thread.

Not every thread. Most of them though.

romantic developments for lelouch? awesome!. yes. C.C kissing lelouch was part of getting his memories back.. its like sleeping beauty for some reason... anyway i don't think lelouch will end up with shirely..or it could be possible. he could be plagued with guilty after what he did to her. maybe he would just make her happy? xD

kallen's story i feel is a side story. although they did elaborate on it in season 1. it can be achieved by following lelouch's story. as most of the problems from the main characters come from britinnia so if it would to fall. well. most problems will have a resolve.

i have a gutsy feeling that C.C and V.V will die=\ i dont know why. damn.. and im pro lelouch X C.C too. don't worry brother! things will look up! (i hope =x)

it doesn't have to end that way. anyway we are only in 6 out of 25/26/27 episode this season has.. so like i said. thing will look up.. i hope..

Well, they did so much that it would be silly not to at least address some of what has happened romantically.

I think there are many reasons many assume C.C. is going to die. Part of it is that it seems highly unlikely that V.V. will be around in the end and if he dies than it doesn't make sense for C.C. not to die. Her general mood and such also suggest a wish to die and really things do not look good for her. If they pursue LelouchXC.C. at all, chances are that it will be one of those tragic pairings that are oh so common these days.

25 episodes. And always expect things to look down when it appears they can.

Yeah. Well, she'll eventually be given more focus as such, we can be sure of that.

As far as KOTOR goes, I prerfer the second game to the first, much thanks tot he system allows you to affect the alignament of your companions! :D

Well, that focus appears as though it will just focus on the Geass aspects of the plot and leave it at that.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well, that focus appears as though it will just focus on the Geass aspects of the plot and leave it at that.

Well, we'll see. I expect the focus to be not just on the Geass aspect though, but rather on her origins, the whole Jupiter thing, what her intentions are exactly, her and VV's exactly relationship and so on...

[JMvS]

Honestly, mechalord, there just seems to be a whole lot of "imagines" and "what ifs" in your theory to really be considered much. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence to support what you're proposing. At like, all.

Though I always love a KOTOR reference. KOTOR was superior to KOTOR2, but that's neither here nor there. :heh:

I :love: Bastila.

I alway felt that the plot in KOTOR was vastly superior to the one in Episode 1 & 2, and back to universal domination schemes, I want a Stellar Forge!

[Dann of Thursday]

They are enemies. Confirmed by Okouchi.

All aspects of C.C. return to the Geass plotline. Once that's done, she's dead.

[Kaze]

They are enemies. Confirmed by Okouchi.

All aspects of C.C. return to the Geass plotline. Once that's done, she's dead.

I wonder if when C.C dies, everybody that has a Geass related to her will lose their Geass?

[Dann of Thursday]

Probably since it serves the perfect purpose of allowing Lelouch to live a happy normal life with his LI.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I wonder if when C.C dies, everybody that has a Geass related to her will lose their Geass?

Well, maybe. Perhaps that'd be for the best too especially if Lelouch's Geass gets another level-up :heh:

[Dann of Thursday]

It seems likely since such a thing would allow Lelouch to live among people in the end and be with his LI and Nunnally in peace without having to worrying. The perfect happy ending.

[Kaze]

Probably since it serves the perfect purpose of allowing Lelouch to live a happy normal life with his LI.

That's one ending I was thinking about though, that after he's achieved his goals his life will be normal again



Well, maybe. Perhaps that'd be for the best too especially if Lelouch's Geass gets another level-up :heh:

I wonder what his next level up would be, 2 eyed geass? :uhoh:

[Dann of Thursday]

Honestly that seems like something of a letdown for him to just go back to being normal after everything.

I still don't see how it being permanent can be considered a level up. Aren't level ups supposed to help?

[Kaze]

Honestly that seems like something of a letdown for him to just go back to being normal after everything.

In normal I ment him living in the world he created for him and Nunnaly

[Dann of Thursday]

He doesn't have to lose his Geass to do that.

[Kaze]

He doesn't have to lose his Geass to do that.

But if C.C dies he will probably lose his Geass

[Dann of Thursday]

You're right so I guess it's going to happen. Good catch there.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

That's one ending I was thinking about though, that after he's achieved his goals his life will be normal again

Yeah, that's more or less along the lines of what I'm hoping for in terms of his ending (one out of two alternatives for what I think his ending should be like anyway) - after he has given Britannia a good kick in the ass, confronted his father and resolved his issuses, sorta, he resigns his position as the leader of the rebellion, probably leaving Japan in the hands of Todou, while he himself as well those closest to him disappear into the crowd again, so to speak, being shown at the very end living normal lives as such.

I wonder what his next level up would be, 2 eyed geass? :uhoh:

Probably. It's hinted at that at the next level, Lelouch's contact lens won't be able to stop his Geass's effect at any rate... :uhoh:

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, he'll end up with a normal life with his sister and some normal girl as his LI.

C.C. will probably just watch from wherever she ends up.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Yeah, he'll end up with a normal life with his sister and some normal girl as his LI.

Well, either he ends up with a normal life, or he ends up as the leader of Japan - unless he ends up dead of course :rolleyes: . Anyway, those are the greatest possibilties as far as his ending goes, I think.

As for C.C, she'll either end up dead, disappearing somewhere or at Lelouch's side...

[Dann of Thursday]

The latter option is the least likely to be honest while the first is the most likely. C.C. actually still being by Lelouch's side in the end would be a huge surprise.

Given her comment in the cave after saying her name, it appears she had a lover in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if she longs to see this person again or if they are the third speaker.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

The latter option is the least likely to be honest while the first is the most likely. C.C. actually still being by Lelouch's side in the end would be a huge surprise.

Well, we'll see.

Given her comment in the cave after saying her name, it appears she had a lover in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if she longs to see this person again or if they are the third speaker.

Well, that may be true. and she also told Mao "Wait for me at the other side" before, perhaps implying her goal is eventually becoming able to die (just speculation though)...

[Dann of Thursday]

That's what I always took her message to Mao to mean. I mean, it's pretty obvious she doesn't like being alive.

[Kaze]

As for C.C, she'll either end up dead, disappearing somewhere or at Lelouch's side...

I don't like saying it but I do think C.C will probably die,
Since the Emperor said that his "Altar" is capable of killing gods
I'm not saying C.C is a god, but she does have things that make her look like one, as in not being able to die / staying young.

She will most likely die at the altar with lelouch near dealing with his father.

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, that's pretty much what they've been hinting at.

[Narona]

They are enemies. Confirmed by Okouchi.

All aspects of C.C. return to the Geass plotline. Once that's done, she's dead.

I wonder if when C.C dies, everybody that has a Geass related to her will lose their Geass?

Oh, so C.C. is already dead -_____________________-

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[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I don't like saying it but I do think C.C will probably die,
Since the Emperor said that his "Altar" is capable of killing gods
I'm not saying C.C is a god, but she does have things that make her look like one, as in not being able to die / staying young.

She will most likely die at the altar with lelouch near dealing with his father.

Well, in one of the OP's in the first season, CC is seen with the Sword of Akasha (or the "altar/temple as one could also call it) in the background, perhaps being another hint at this...

[ashlay]

Well, in one of the OP's in the first season, CC is seen with the Sword of Akasha (or the "altar/temple as one could also call it) in the background, perhaps being another hint at this...
she's sitting next to a pool of water holding a gun with SoA in the background. How does that say "gonna die"? >_>

[Dann of Thursday]

Oh, so C.C. is already dead -_____________________-

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Pretty much.

Well, in one of the OP's in the first season, CC is seen with the Sword of Akasha (or the "altar/temple as one could also call it) in the background, perhaps being another hint at this...

Yeah, that was probably just more hints. We all should have seen it coming for a while though many already did I guess. She looked sad as well.

[Kaze]

she's sitting next to a pool of water holding a gun with SoA in the background. How does that say "gonna die"? >_>

Maybe the SoA makes "gods" mortal again so they can die?

[Dann of Thursday]

Possible though she'd probably get killed for real after it happened.

[Narona]

Maybe the SoA makes "gods" mortal again so they can die?
So you're assuming that C.C. is a god.

If the contract is to defeat V.V. then I think she will not die if lelouch wins.


Pretty much.
-_- You're really annoying

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, but it seems odd to have V.V. die and her live. She could always die while it's happening or protects Lelouch.

[Kaze]

So you're assuming that C.C. is a god.

If the contract is to defeat V.V. then I think she will not die if lelouch wins.


I'm not saying C.C is a god, but she does have things that make her look like one, as in not being able to die / staying young.

If it's to defeat V.V then I think you may be right

[Dann of Thursday]

I doubt it's that simple, though preventing hin from succeeding is a likely aspect to the success of the contract.

[Narona]

Yeah, but it seems odd to have V.V. die and her live. She could always die while it's happening or protects Lelouch.

If V.V. wants to kill C.C. with the SoA, It will eventually backfire on V.V. because of Lelouch. If I'm right, then V.V. will not succed, and die.

[Dann of Thursday]

I doubt V.V. will succeed. And I don't think his goal is for C.C. to die. I don't consider her to be a God and I am reminded that her original concept was that of an angel-like being.

[Narona]

I doubt V.V. will succeed. And I don't think his goal is for C.C. to die. I don't consider her to be a God and I am reminded that her original concept was that of an angel-like being.
I think it will be like I said. I can make up facts too as you can see :rolleyes:

[Dann of Thursday]

Don't do that just to mock me.

I think he probably wants C.C. out of his way and probably would kill her with the SoA if he gets the chance. I would agree it wouldn't succeed if it were his goal, or something would go wrong.

I wonder if these Gods that V.V. wants to kill will interfere at all in the end. A God interfering can be the ultimate Deus Ex Machina. Hell, C.C. could die and they could just bring her back.

[Kaze]

I think he probably wants C.C. out of his way and probably would kill her with the SoA if he gets the chance.

I don't think he wants that, since in R2 02 when Rolo was coming at them in his Vincent he was calling out to C.C and she replied that he should relax since he had Kallen and Urabe
I think he still wants to depend on C.C

EDIT:
What I meant was that he'd rather depend on C.C than on Kallen / Urabe

[Narona]

Don't do that just to mock me.
Then stop your "C.C. IS already dead" attitude too, plz

I wonder if these Gods that V.V. wants to kill will interfere at all in the end. A God interfering can be the ultimate Deus Ex Machina. Hell, C.C. could die and they could just bring her back.

I don't consider her to be a God

C.C. seems to be different from V.V. . As KS pointed it out, she got a mark on her forehead. I think V.V. is a false geass giver and maybe a Fake God if C.C. is in fact a real goddess.

[Dann of Thursday]

I didn't mean she is dead, but that she is going to die.

Well, her being a goddess would pretty much spell out her ending right there since the result would be that she would have to return to the heavens to watch over the world.

[Narona]

I didn't mean she is dead, but that she is going to die.

Well, her being a goddess would pretty much spell out her ending right there since the result would be that she would have to return to the heavens to watch over the world.
It depends on what they mean by "gods". It can relate on the fact that this civilization is made of immortal people.

I think there is also a possibility that the SoA has already been used. C.C. could be a survivor of this "civilization". And V.V. might want to annihilate them.

[Dann of Thursday]

True, though I still wonder what the hell is up with Jupiter. That whole thing with the two planets (if that's what they are) makes it seem like there needs to be some sort of alignment for whatever reason. I wonder if this civilization will end up being something weird like Atlantis or Mu or something.

It seems odd to go through all this trouble for just her. It also doesn't exactly explain his reasons for helping her and such. The use of the term "Gods" also implies there is more than one around.

[Kaze]

My last post got screwed so I'll try posting again :p


I think there is also a possibility that the SoA has already been used. C.C. could be a survivor of this "civilization". And V.V. might want to annihilate them.


I think it would be highly possible, since the Emperor already said it could kill gods, which means he's already tested it?

[Dann of Thursday]

I don't think that needs to mean they used it before. They could just have knowledge that it does. Maybe it comes with being a Geass giver. I don't exactly think C.C. understands all the knowledge she has during those flashes. What's the point of the whole two planets thing then?

[Kaze]

I don't think that needs to mean they used it before. They could just have knowledge that it does. Maybe it comes with being a Geass giver. I don't exactly think C.C. understands all the knowledge she has during those flashes. What's the point of the whole two planets thing then?

1 planet earth and 1 planet with "gods" ?

[Dann of Thursday]

So they're aliens? God I hope not. That would be so lame.

Besides, neither of the planets looks like Earth.

[Kaze]

So they're aliens? God I hope not. That would be so lame.

Besides, neither of the planets looks like Earth.


Linking these pics from the Spoilers thread:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sonhex/cgep01_planets.jpg

The planets obviously have something to do with geass since every time something with a contract / shock images happens we get so see them.

Then there is this pic, also from the spoilers thread:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sonhex/cgep01_ccpeople.jpg

It's probably C.C's "race" which would mean they are probably not human and they even have markings on their cheeks, unlike C.C :uhoh:

[Dann of Thursday]

I never said they didn't have anything to do with Geass. I just don't think either of them looks like Earth. Look at them in the opening where they are clear and the difference becomes more apparent.

Doesn't mean they are aliens. And there is nothing to suggest they are not human. And Animedia said C.C. was once a normal human.

[Kaze]

I never said they didn't have anything to do with Geass. I just don't think either of them looks like Earth. Look at them in the opening where they are clear and the difference becomes more apparent.

Doesn't mean they are aliens. And there is nothing to suggest they are not human. And Animedia said C.C. was once a normal human.

The upper planet looks highly technological,
The lower one could be when the earth was just formed?
and the civilisation with the geass markings found a way to make themselves immortal?

[mechalord]

Remember. . . Brittania originated as a Celtic kingdom. My guess is that they'll mix in stone henge and druidism. She has been referred to as a "witch."

C.C. could have been a powerful druid/shaman/priestess. She probably communicated with the "gods." She probably did something forbidden and ended up becoming one of them or cursed. She could have also been pregnant during this. She could have then given birth to V.V, who inherited the curse as well. This would explain some things.

Also, C.C. doesn't look exactly like those girls in the visions during the geass contract. Her hair is of a different color and she appears much older.

Maybe she wished for power to save her king and in turn was damned. She would be able to give power to kings but in return she could not rest in peace. Maybe she did it order to look after her family. This would fit with a theme in the show. The whole thing with people putting enormous burdens on their back to protect family. . . like Kallen's mother and Lelouch.

[Used Can]

I didn't mean she is dead, but that she is going to die.
C.C. dying is a possibility, not a fact. Also, even if she dies, it doesn't necessarily mean her death will be tragic.

[Dann of Thursday]

Uh, no it didn't. The family was Celtic and such, but they didn't have a kingdom. Of course she would have to be for her to be related to Lelouch, now wouldn't she? Because that would be so grat for you.

Where in god's name are you getting that V.V. is her child. Where the hell are you getting any of this?! Even my ideas aren't this crazy!!

And Lelouch and Kallen have the same mother?

[mechalord]

Linking these pics from the Spoilers thread:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sonhex/cgep01_planets.jpg

The planets obviously have something to do with geass since every time something with a contract / shock images happens we get so see them.

Then there is this pic, also from the spoilers thread:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sonhex/cgep01_ccpeople.jpg

It's probably C.C's "race" which would mean they are probably not human and they even have markings on their cheeks, unlike C.C :uhoh:

These girls may not be gods. It may be a flashback of her ancient celt days. She could have been a druid or some sort of pagan priestess.

[Kaze]

She could have then given birth to V.V, who inherited the curse as well.

Also, C.C. doesn't look exactly like those girls in the visions during the geass contract. Her hair is of a different color and she appears much older.

Maybe she wished for power to save her king and in turn was damned. She would be able to give power to kings but in return she could not rest in peace. Maybe she did it order to look after her family. This would fit with a theme in the show. The whole thing with people putting enormous burdens on their back to protect family. . . like Lelouch and Kallen's mother.

Which would make V.V a half-what-they-are and half human, which could explain why he has no geass marking on his forehead.

C.C could indeed have asked for power from the gods, and was granted In the form of not being able to die and her power of showing "Shock" images as her primitive form of "geass" ?

[Used Can]

And Lelouch and Kallen have the same mother?
He meant both of their mothers burdened themselves in order to protect their families. While this is true for Kallen's mother, we're yet to know what exactly happened with Marianne.

[Dann of Thursday]

Oh, god don't fuel it.

Edit: Oh, right. Because Lelouch and Kallen are so similar which was another sign. Right. Forgot that. Never mind mechalord, your theories are obviously correct and I was just being stupid.

[Kaze]

These girls may not be gods. It may be a flashback of her ancient celt days. She could have been a druid or some sort of pagan priestess.

Ah haven't thought of that, since the celts did cover themselves in runes / marks

[mechalord]

Uh, no it didn't. The family was Celtic and such, but they didn't have a kingdom. Of course she would have to be for her to be related to Lelouch, now wouldn't she? Because that would be so grat for you.

Where in god's name are you getting that V.V. is her child. Where the hell are you getting any of this?! Even my ideas aren't this crazy!!

And Lelouch and Kallen have the same mother?

I meant Kallen's mother and Lelouch seperately. I edited my post. Lelouch put an enormous burden on his shoulders and took a lot of crap to keep his sister sheltered from experiencing some very screwed up things. Kallen's mom did the same thing for Kallen. She took the job of a maid in order to be with her daughter and she tolerated tons of abuse just so she could grow up a spoiled brat.

[Dann of Thursday]

Yes. YES!! It's all so clear and true now. This explains EVERYTHING!!

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Which would make V.V a half-what-they-are and half human, which could explain why he has no geass marking on his forehead.

How do we know he doesn't have it? CC does have it, but it only seems to appear when she actually "use" it - meaning that just like a Geass in the eye doesn't appear unless the wielder actually wants to úsae it, the same may be true for a Geass on the forehead...

[Dann of Thursday]

No, it's always there. He probably is her son or something.

The World of C could perhaps be a place that contains the souls of all those Geass people, her contracts, and maybe just random people. Maybe C.C. wants to release them or join them there in the end. Or something.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Something I need to clear up with CC here.'

When CC got into an argument with Tamakia was it VV she was talking to about how, "because of your prank this happened?"

Then when VV captured Nunnally, did he tell CC? I'm not sure how CC would be able to sense such occurings unless he told her, "Yo I got Nunnally and she's at the island."

EDIT:Later on, CC tells him about their contract to kill god which VV finishes and Charles replies.

Since we know that these guys can communicate VIA telepathy, are CC and VV talking with each other?

I mean granted the team the Emperor dispatched was probably given orders to kill CC yet he himself along with VV should be very well aware of that. It'd be strange if they didn't know that CC is immortal and hence, cannot be killed.

[Meatrose]

Yes they are, though we don't know how often really. The conversation you were referring to was in fact C.C. and V.V..

And in Turn 2 C.C. never said that she didn't know who gave the emperor his Geass, she simply said that it wasn't her.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Well no it's just the way they were talking I guess since it was VV who finished the sentence with Charles adding on about their contract. Guess I thought too much into it.

[Esper 28]

Reading through this thread is like...well, it's comparable to banging one's head against the wall.

Some of the ideas being tossed around are absolutely asinine. Listen, if you're going to suggest something, give some logical conclusions as to why you think that. Don't just throw something out there because you thought it up in your mind and it sounded neat to you. Try to work with facts and build speculation around such facts. Please, it will make this thread so much more entertaining.

So, with that said, I'm going to respond to the people who are discussing the two images that were posted because that is fact based. We can speculate off of these images because they are glimpses of truth that the show has provided us with.

Anyhow, yeah, I think it's possible that C.C. is from some sort of alien race, maybe. I mean, it could be a Stargate situation (and I mean the movie, I don't watch the show), where the Egyptian gods as we know them were really just aliens or something. I'm sketchy on the story of the movie.

However, I can't help but think that perhaps it's not so much a race as a culture of some sort.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sonhex/cgep01_ccpeople.jpg

I liked the idea that these were the Celtic people, but I don't know. The jewelry, in my opinion, just doesn't seem fitting to the Celts. Honestly, it almost feels Egyptian. It is possible, though, that there was an advanced culture living near Britannia. Oh, actually, now that I think about it...couldn't it be possible that when, if I have my CG history right, Elizabeth III came over to the new world, that she encountered Native Americans? Perhaps the Geass has something to do with like, shaman magic. That's just an idea, but I don't really buy into it, I guess.

I still feel that C.C. has something to do with Morgan le Faye and, in turn, the Geass has something to do with her, too. Perhaps the picture depicts a culture of people who worshiped Morgan le Faye? I really do think that they're followers of some sort of cult, rather than aliens.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sonhex/cgep01_planets.jpg
Going along with the thoughts that C.C. may be a religious figure for a cult of some sort, I'm inclined to believe that, perhaps, this image is more of a symbolic scene. Like, I mean, it looks like two planets, but perhaps it represents two entities. Also, the bottom "planet" somewhat resembles an eye, I think. Perhaps the upper orb is some sort of physical relic of C.C.'s cult and this image shows the transfer of power to the Geass user's eye?

Yes, I think I'm going to solidify my thoughts with that the image of the people depicts a cult dedicated to either C.C. herself or the Geass in general and the image of the two orbs are a representation of two entites, C.C.'s cult, represented by the relic-like upper orb, and the person being bestowed with the Geass, the lower orb which resembles an eye in some ways.

But what does that mean for C.C.? Well, it would suggest that, like we've been speculating, that C.C. has some sort of divine power. Possibly of god-like origins and, that at some point in time, people like her were revered. I would love for it to turn out that her people were slaughtered by a Code Geass version of a Holy Crusade or Inquisition or something.

[Dann of Thursday]

Regarding the telepathic thing, it seems they all communicate over an open channel which means it could be possible for anyone to hear another's conversation. C.C. may have overheard V.V. speaking about taking Nunnally by chance (or because he wanted them to come to the island) and just informed Lelouch of it. Marianne also could have found out and told her.

Regarding the whole slaughter idea, we did see her getting burned in front of that Geass church, though that might have been because she was a witch.

And with the two planets, given their appearence in the opening and in episode 2, I have come to believe they are something physical and real to a point.

I've also been aware of the usage of feathers often with these sequences and that makes me think that some aspects of C.C. original concept of being an angel may have been kept in.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Regarding the telepathic thing, it seems they all communicate over an open channel which means it could be possible for anyone to hear another's conversation. C.C. may have overheard V.V. speaking about taking Nunnally by chance (or because he wanted them to come to the island) and just informed Lelouch of it. Marianne also could have found out and told her.

Regarding the whole slaughter idea, we did see her getting burned in front of that Geass church, though that might have been because she was a witch.

And with the two planets, given their appearence in the opening and in episode 2, I have come to believe they are something physical and real to a point.

I've also been aware of the usage of feathers often with these sequences and that makes me think that some aspects of C.C. original concept of being an angel may have been kept in.


Which means VV would hear what CC is discussing with Marianne.

If it's on an open channel then it's not something they should even be using since it's so easy to eavestrop

[Dann of Thursday]

Pretty much and it seems she didn't mind it before. I think she might possibly been aware that he was against her.

I have noticed that we haven't seen C.C. talk with anyone so far (that we have seen anyway). She could possibly be avoiding doing so or only at times when things would be safe.

[Voduar]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sonhex/cgep01_ccpeople.jpg

I liked the idea that these were the Celtic people, but I don't know. The jewelry, in my opinion, just doesn't seem fitting to the Celts. Honestly, it almost feels Egyptian. It is possible, though, that there was an advanced culture living near Britannia. Oh, actually, now that I think about it...couldn't it be possible that when, if I have my CG history right, Elizabeth III came over to the new world, that she encountered Native Americans? Perhaps the Geass has something to do with like, shaman magic. That's just an idea, but I don't really buy into it, I guess.

I still feel that C.C. has something to do with Morgan le Faye and, in turn, the Geass has something to do with her, too. Perhaps the picture depicts a culture of people who worshiped Morgan le Faye? I really do think that they're followers of some sort of cult, rather than aliens.



As to this, while I agree with you that the jewelry does not look like the western notion of Celts, it sort of jives with what seems to be the anime consensus on the topic. While its rather over the top even for an anime, this maybe meant to imply that those are all priests/druids/mages or something, and that we are seeing some big event. While rather speculative, it seems believable. That said, for some reason, that scene screams Atlantis to me. Perhaps its the weird combination of togas and pimp jewelry. Also, that seems to be a rather mixed looking crowd for an anime, which seems to be a supercivilization trait.

As to CC herself, I suspect we will find her to be descended from those people, rather than necessarily a member of them. She has sort of a tragic last of her people vibe, which juxtaposes with her ridiculous pizza obsession.

[Dann of Thursday]

Atlantis or Mu would be possible answers, but they are so overused that I almost wish it doesn't turn out that way. I think it could be either some mass prayer or ceremony we are seeing there.

I'd tend to agree with the idea of her being descended rather than directly being one of them, though either is still a possibility.

I wonder if we'll ever get a real explanation for her whole obsession with pizza. I don't think we've actually seen her eat any yet in R2.

[Voduar]

This is a bit more speculative, but I also wonder if her Cheese-kun obsession is meant to demonstrate a bit of a mental issue we have not dealt with as of yet? Her constant cuddling of it strikes me as a touch odd, and might be indicative of something. I can't quite tell if she is supposed to merely be immortal and depressed (sort of like Deedlit when she's down) or ancient and a touch disturbed(Like the old alien in Soultaker[sorry in advance for not having a more recent example]).

[Used Can]

I think Cheese-kun is just there for her to look cute, nothing too deep about it. However, one can say because of things like it, she's not a completely cold woman, as she would usually appear to be.

[Esper 28]

As to this, while I agree with you that the jewelry does not look like the western notion of Celts, it sort of jives with what seems to be the anime consensus on the topic. While its rather over the top even for an anime, this maybe meant to imply that those are all priests/druids/mages or something, and that we are seeing some big event. While rather speculative, it seems believable. That said, for some reason, that scene screams Atlantis to me. Perhaps its the weird combination of togas and pimp jewelry. Also, that seems to be a rather mixed looking crowd for an anime, which seems to be a supercivilization trait.

As to CC herself, I suspect we will find her to be descended from those people, rather than necessarily a member of them. She has sort of a tragic last of her people vibe, which juxtaposes with her ridiculous pizza obsession.

Hmm, you make a good point. Unfortunately, I'm not someone who watches a ton of anime, so I don't think I'm really qualified to say much on what would be considered norm or not. Though the idea of Atlantis certainly seems like a plausible suggestion.

And my personal feelings have C.C. being a type of like, demigod to those people. I'm not sure if that would make her one of them or not, that sort of depends on how you look at it. But I think both C.C. and V.V. may be demigods that had a cult following at some point and, like you suggested, having that cult consist of Atlanteans or something would make sense.

In fact, it could be a case that they were two competing demigods and their two separate cults may've had some sort of confrontation which would have ultimately had led to C.C.'s cult's destruction? The only reason I would say C.C. lost is because V.V.'s Geass user is the king of Brittannia while C.C.'s is like, the royal family's runt. This, if true, could also explain why it seems like V.V. and C.C. are at odds and why it kind of feels like C.C. wants to overthrow Charles.

This is a bit more speculative, but I also wonder if her Cheese-kun obsession is meant to demonstrate a bit of a mental issue we have not dealt with as of yet? Her constant cuddling of it strikes me as a touch odd, and might be indicative of something. I can't quite tell if she is supposed to merely be immortal and depressed (sort of like Deedlit when she's down) or ancient and a touch disturbed(Like the old alien in Soultaker[sorry in advance for not having a more recent example]).

I think Cheese-kun is just there for her to look cute, nothing too deep about it. However, one can say because of things like it, she's not a completely cold woman, as she would usually appear to be.

I agree with Used Can on this topic. I think C.C. is a fan favorite and as a result, she has moments that are there purely for the fans. Cheese-kun is probably nothing more than a show mascot and, most likely, stemmed from C.C.'s provocative method of eating pizza where she's got the cheese hanging out of her mouth or whatever.

Not to say it's not absolutely adorable :love: to see her clinging to this stuffed animal, I just don't know if it has any real significance.

[Tormenk]

C.C.'s attachment to the yellow guy serves to bring out her sense of (in)security. Doesn't have to be the mascot in particular. She's also seen hugging the cushions in the previous Turns while in the Chinese consulate.

It's one of those tiny hints at her vulnerable side, in which case I'm guessing the need for reassurance and fear of insecurity, seen by her need to physically hold onto something.

While it hasn't been ascertained, C.C. and V.V. doesn't seem to be at odds. Since V.V. and Charles goal is to kill gods, C.C.'s eventual contract with Lelouch might be in direct opposition to their plans.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, it could also just be that she missed Cheese-kun and wanted to hug something, but your idea isn't all that bad either. That actually makes her a bit more sad.

And Okouchi said of the relationship between V.V. and C.C.: "It seems they won't tolerate each other's existence." I think this might be speaking of R2 though since she didn't seem to want him dead and buried in season 1.

And I never thought of C.C. as a demigod myself. I always went with the idea that she may have once been human, but ended up the way she was for whatever reason. I also have a quote from an Animedia that says she was originally human, though I suppose that could always be wrong.

I'm somewhat curious sometimes if C.C. even remembers what the contract is. I'm pretty sure she does know, but I wonder how that relates to her not remembering everything.

[Esper 28]

While it hasn't been ascertained, C.C. and V.V. doesn't seem to be at odds. Since V.V. and Charles goal is to kill gods, C.C.'s eventual contract with Lelouch might be in direct opposition to their plans.

I look at it as though Charles is V.V.'s champion while Lelouch is C.C.'s. That being said, I think C.C. gave Lelouch the Geass power knowing full well that V.V. had given the Geass to Charles. I think it's fair to say that C.C. either has a problem with Charles or V.V. and she's using Lelouch as a weapon against one or both of them.

So, while you're right, there hasn't been any outward animosity between C.C. and V.V. as of yet, I can't shake the feeling that C.C.'s manipulation of Lelouch against Charles is really just her way of getting at V.V.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, that makes it sound like all her other contracts were for nothing and since she has made several over the years (which include a few time periods where Charles and potentially V.V. weren't around).

Or she is just manipulating him and really could care less what happens to him, which is probably the more likely scenario.

[Esper 28]

Well, that makes it sound like all her other contracts were for nothing and since she has made several over the years (which include a few time periods where Charles and potentially V.V. weren't around).

Or she is just manipulating him and really could care less what happens to him, which is probably the more likely scenario.

How does it make other contracts count for nothing?

If C.C. is "immortal" then V.V. must be also. That means, V.V. has probably entered into just as many contracts as C.C. Couldn't it easily be explained that V.V. has been behind the success of the Brittannian empire the entire time? That he was the reason why Briton was able to fend off the Romans? And, as a result, he's been behind each and every King that Britannia has ever had?

As a result, C.C. would enter contracts with people she believed could help her overthrow V.V and her current champion, or rather, the current king of Brittannia. C.C. even remarks that she left Mao when she realized he couldn't fulfill their contract.

The "battle" between V.V. and C.C. stretches for centuries and, I don't think, at least, that it should be kept entirely to Charles and Lelouch.

[Dann of Thursday]

Yes, but we know nothing about how long he has been around. While it hasn't been confirmed for sure, if he really is Charles's brother than he couldn't be much older than him.

It's potentially possible, but there have never been any indications of such a thing.

But you're probably right so there is no point to this.

[Esper 28]

Yes, but we know nothing about how long he has been around. While it hasn't been confirmed for sure, if he really is Charles's brother than he couldn't be much older than him.

If he's actually Charles' older brother by blood, is there a reason he looks like a little boy? If I were to run with the train of thought from my above posts, it's easy to say that since V.V. has been involved so extensively with the Brittannian lineage, Charles may've met V.V. when he was but a mere boy. Since he was so young, instead of explaining to him who V.V. actually was, his parents (most likely the current Brittannian king of the time) simply said, "Oh, that's your older brother." Perhaps later on, once Charles ascended to power, V.V. came to him, as he would go to all of Brittannia's monarchs, and Charles would know him as older brother. Thus, despite the title of "brother" being a falsity, he's continued to call him as such.

As always, this is nothing but pure conjecture, but it certainly sounds more plausible then V.V. and Charles being actual brothers. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into this brother nonsense, at least not in a literal sense as you seemingly do.

But you're probably right so there is no point to this.

Nothing has been confirmed and that's why nobody is "right". People are simply closer to the truth than others, but by no means is anyone correct. If there's no point in discussing this, then there's really no point in discussing anything about C.C. other than how she enjoys pizza because, really, that's about all the truth we know about the character.

[Dann of Thursday]

Okay, V.V. could have become like he was when he was very young if he was Charles's brother. The other scenario is certainly possible and probably more likely though.

[Esper 28]

Okay, V.V. could have become like he was when he was very young if he was Charles's brother. The other scenario is certainly possible and probably more likely though.

Uhm...how would he "become like he was when he was very young"? Please, if you wouldn't mind, elaborate on what you mean.

[Dann of Thursday]

How should I know? It hasn't been stated exactly how C.C. is the way she is. If she was indeed a normal human at some point, than she could have become like she is now somehow. Same thing could have happened to V.V..

Like I said, this is all probably wrong and you are probably more correct.

[Esper 28]

How should I know? It hasn't been stated exactly how C.C. is the way she is. If she was indeed a normal human at some point, than she could have become like she is now somehow. Same thing could have happened to V.V..

Like I said, this is all probably wrong and you are probably more correct.

Wow, man, I know others in this thread have said this, but...you really are one of the hardest people to deal with. If you seriously can't give me any form of logical reason for what you're saying, why are you saying them at all?

I mean, hell, we could sit here and be like, "The ripped it all off of Highlander." C.C. and V.V. are the ages they are because in order to trigger their immortality, they had to die! See, in the Highlander universe, if you're an immortal, you're a regular human until you die...then you become immortal and you're stuck at whatever age you died, but the death has to be a violent one. Like, someone stabbing you or something. At least that has some sort of logical explanation!!

Anyway, yeah, you need to learn to back up what you're saying because, honestly, it just feels like you say things just to say them. To simply suggest that she can like, shape-shift and regulate her age without any sort of credible evidence to support that is ridiculous.

[Dann of Thursday]

"C.C. was originally a normal human being"

This was in a list of info given about the show during talks with the staff, primarily Okouchi. All the other info along with this has been accurate and there is not much point in lying about it. If it had been more vague, then sure I would question it myself.

You honestly haven't given very much reason for her to be a demigod. It's all just speculation in the end. You can't expect me to come up with something when I don't know all the answers about the Geass.

When the hell did I ever suggest she could shapeshift her age? All I'm saying is that it could be possible that she was once a normal human being, but became immortal somehow. No, I don't know how, but that doesn't make it ludicrous.

[Voduar]

I agree with Used Can on this topic. I think C.C. is a fan favorite and as a result, she has moments that are there purely for the fans. Cheese-kun is probably nothing more than a show mascot and, most likely, stemmed from C.C.'s provocative method of eating pizza where she's got the cheese hanging out of her mouth or whatever.

Not to say it's not absolutely adorable :love: to see her clinging to this stuffed animal, I just don't know if it has any real significance.

That could very well be, I was sort of free forming that theory. That said, upon a second viewing of Geass, there is a low, but to me noticeable, creep factor in a few of her actions. Now, the more logical conclcusion may be to assume they were showing her vulnerability/cute, but it hit me as slightly disjarring. Then again, perhaps I am being unnecessarily observant.

As to whether or not CC and VV are gods, demigods, w/e, we run into one of the information problems in CG. In this case, I am referring to the fact that I don't believe its been stated what the Brittanians worship. While I have assumed that Japan remained Shinto, the Chinese Federations condition sort of suggests that there was no Buddha in the CG world. In fact, there is not any direct evidence on screen of monotheism as best I can recall.

[mechalord]

That could very well be, I was sort of free forming that theory. That said, upon a second viewing of Geass, there is a low, but to me noticeable, creep factor in a few of her actions. Now, the more logical conclcusion may be to assume they were showing her vulnerability/cute, but it hit me as slightly disjarring. Then again, perhaps I am being unnecessarily observant.

As to whether or not CC and VV are gods, demigods, w/e, we run into one of the information problems in CG. In this case, I am referring to the fact that I don't believe its been stated what the Brittanians worship. While I have assumed that Japan remained Shinto, the Chinese Federations condition sort of suggests that there was no Buddha in the CG world. In fact, there is not any direct evidence on screen of monotheism as best I can recall.

Her cuddling of stuffed animals could be something the writers put in to demonstrate an aspect of her persona. Just look at her relationship with Mao.

This goes along with my theory that she was pregnant when she was given immortallity and that in turn was also passed to the child in her womb.

Could it be that she was drawn to Mao because of his possible similarities to V.V?

Could it be that her dealings with Mao could be foretelling her confrontation with V.V?

Sometimes female animals that have lost young will adopt creatures not of their species or stuffed animals in captivity. C.C. acts like a mother with a lost child.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

That could very well be, I was sort of free forming that theory. That said, upon a second viewing of Geass, there is a low, but to me noticeable, creep factor in a few of her actions. Now, the more logical conclcusion may be to assume they were showing her vulnerability/cute, but it hit me as slightly disjarring. Then again, perhaps I am being unnecessarily observant.

As to whether or not CC and VV are gods, demigods, w/e, we run into one of the information problems in CG. In this case, I am referring to the fact that I don't believe its been stated what the Brittanians worship. While I have assumed that Japan remained Shinto, the Chinese Federations condition sort of suggests that there was no Buddha in the CG world. In fact, there is not any direct evidence on screen of monotheism as best I can recall.

In comparison to other countries, China doesn't have a "god" or a "religion"

For the britannians they maybe catholic since Nunnally had asked Lelouch in the first drama DVD if the japanese had a pope like they had.

[Used Can]

C.C. acts like a mother with a lost child.
Not precisely like a mother, but certainly as someone who seems to have lost something important. C.C. is that kind of character you can say has existed for a long time, but who hasn't really had the chance to actually live.

Certainly, she has experienced things like love and hate, but by the looks of it, she has gained nothing. She somewhat said it herself two times: The time she asked Lelouch why snow was white (in which she answered the reason for that is that snow forgot its true colours). The second time was when she told Lelouch the ones that loved her and the ones that hated her were no longer there; they were all lost in the endless flow of time.

She's someone who has no deep links with anyone; she has no attachments. This may be why she said the people involved with Geass were bound to live a lonesome life.

Perhaps, Cheese-kun is there to show she still can be attached to something?

[ashlay]

Perhaps, Cheese-kun is there to show she still can be attached to something?
*sigh*, completely ignoring her relationships with Mao and Lelouch, her falling apart over the name thing in 11, and her interactions with Nunnally and Kallen. (though those are mainly in the extra materials I suppose...)

[Used Can]

*sigh*, completely ignoring her relationships with Mao and Lelouch, her falling apart over the name thing in 11, and her interactions with Nunnally and Kallen. (though those are mainly in the extra materials I suppose...)
Nope, I haven't. Her relationship with Mao fell apart (I never said she didn't love or hate anyone in her life, actually, I did mention she did), and her relationship with Lelouch is still in development.

My point was she hasn't had anything lasting, as of yet.

[Dann of Thursday]

Not precisely like a mother, but certainly as someone who seems to have lost something important. C.C. is that kind of character you can say has existed for a long time, but who hasn't really had the chance to actually live.

Certainly, she has experienced things like love and hate, but by the looks of it, she has gained nothing. She somewhat said it herself two times: The time she asked Lelouch why snow was white (in which she answered the reason for that is that snow forgot its true colours). The second time was when she told Lelouch the ones that loved her and the ones that hated her were no longer there; they were all lost in the endless flow of time.

She's someone who has no deep links with anyone; she has no attachments. This may be why she said the people involved with Geass were bound to live a lonesome life.

Perhaps, Cheese-kun is there to show she still can be attached to something?

I'd agree with this for the most part. Being immortal and everything seems to have cost her the ability to ever truly live a life of any sort. That contract of hers has always been in the way, though there is no telling what it is or what it entails. It may not exactly be a personal wish for herself.

She is certainly capable of those emotions as well as many others, but all her experiences and such appear to have caused her to be very reserved about herself and put up this face we see all too often. Only sometimes do we see beyond this and when we do, she seems to be a sad and lonely person. Her lack of knowledge regarding her past seems to trouble her greatly and hearing Lelouch say her name shows that it does have very much meaning to her even if she says it doesn't.

I'd agree partly since it certainly seems to have done so with her, though it truly does seem that the Geass does this since one with power is always seperate from others and thus more prone to being alone.

All this is why I'd truly like her to recieve some sort of ending where she can actually have the chance to enjoy her life and be happy without having to think about that contract anymore. She may seem like she wants to die at points, but I think she should be able to recieve her own happiness in the end. Lelouch could help her with this or he may not. He seems one who can actually understand her with what she shows him in those moments of weakness.

[Ice_Bullet]

that would happen if lelouch X C.C were to happen. well, i would presumed that the geass contract could be about anything.. so could it be about lelouch having to understand her? or it could be that he must care for her? it could be that way.. just an assumtion.. hmm fullfillment in the contract grants you anything? or another assumtion could be lelouch fullfills the contract.. and gains immortalilty? well that would be kind of sad considering he has to give up nunnally... but who knows..

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, yeah and hence why I was a supportet, but they could do whatever they want and have her satisfied in the end.

I doubt it is for such reasons. It's too basic and centered on her to make me think it is like that. I think her wish probably has something to do with some big picture and having it granted might also fufill a personal wish she has in the process.

[Ice_Bullet]

yeah quite true. it could cause C.C to be stripped of immortality and live with lelouch? possible possible =D

[Dann of Thursday]

Anything is possible I suppose. I get the feeling she wants to go back wherever belongs now. Maybe the World of C or something.

[Ice_Bullet]

that would be ... very weird. lol. i personally feel that she wants to be with lelouch.. as in shes attached to him in some way.

[Dann of Thursday]

Not really. Well, that's a matter of perspective and things could go in any way. She may care about him to some degree, but it doesn't mean anything.

[Ice_Bullet]

it could be that she may just for lelouch to ensure that he fullfills the contract. however, i believe C.C has personal feelings for him.. it can't be after spending so much time and going through so much with a person you don't develop feelings you know..

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, at the start it was just the contract with no real concern for him other than that if he died the contract would not be fufilled. She probably does care about him more now after everything that happened.

[Ice_Bullet]

glad u agreed with me on that point ;)

i feel that C.C will play a major role in this season.. seeing the assumptions of her dying and stuff... it would surely impact the fans. plus she had a big role of co ordinating the OotBK when lelouch was not around

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, she is the key to several mysteries and Geass is going to factor into the plot's resolution, so she'll definately play a role in the end.

[Ice_Bullet]

so far season 2 has not progressed much into the "Geass mysteries" department other then V.V and charles's contract and a new geass user... its all about the OotBK coming back to power. i wonder how are they going to turn this around.

[Dann of Thursday]

It'll just happen naturally as time goes on I guess. I suppose having more about C.C. be revealed would aid in this as well. Or they could just give little scenes until the last few episodes.

[Ice_Bullet]

hmm it could be that lelouch resembles someone C.C used to love? after all.. she wanted lelouch to call out to her.. in a lover's tone.. it is a possiblity. however, it would suck if everything came pouring in the last few episodes without any elaboration. it would leave us with alot of unanswered questions. im guessing they have to start at around half way through or even earlier.

[Dann of Thursday]

Certainly possible. I don't have anything about saying it like a lover. I have her asking him to say it with kindness and caring in his heart.

[Ice_Bullet]

i would depict that scene as making C.C "feel" something again. love? friendship? could be.

[Esper 28]

hmm it could be that lelouch resembles someone C.C used to love? after all.. she wanted lelouch to call out to her.. in a lover's tone.. it is a possiblity. however, it would suck if everything came pouring in the last few episodes without any elaboration. it would leave us with alot of unanswered questions. im guessing they have to start at around half way through or even earlier.

That's an interesting idea. Maybe Lelouch is like, a reincarnated former lover of C.C.'s? That would be interesting, but there's no way of knowing.

[Dann of Thursday]

I wouldn't say a reincarnated former lover, since I think the World of C might rule out reincarnation possibly. It could be that he reminds her of someone in her past, though I wonder if C.C. even remembers this person clearly.

[Esper 28]

Well, excuse my ignorance, but I've yet to see any explanation as to exactly what the "World of C" is. If you do know, please, explain it. Apparently, I'm missing some information.

[Kaze]

Well, excuse my ignorance, but I've yet to see any explanation as to exactly what the "World of C" is. If you do know, please, explain it. Apparently, I'm missing some information.

I think he means "World of C" as in all the people in her mind / around her.
The people she talks to but nobody can see

[Dann of Thursday]

No need to get angry, I wasn't trying to be insulting.

We haven't gotten an exact definition of what it is, but given what has been shown with Marianne communicating through there and apparently Clovis as well it seems like it may function as the afterlife to some degree. Again, it's just a theory at the moment until more info comes along. I wasn't completely disregarding the idea that Lelouch could be a reincarnation of someone C.C. loved. There just haven't been any indications of that being the case or of whether reincarnation is possible.

I'm somewhat interested as to who that third speaker is that C.C. has been speaking to. We have Marianne, V.V., and this third person. Each one seems to have some relation to C.C. somehow, but I can't figure out how this third person is related to C.C.. Maybe a past lover or perhaps even one of these Gods?

[Esper 28]

No need to get angry, I wasn't trying to be insulting.

We haven't gotten an exact definition of what it is, but given what has been shown with Marianne communicating through there and apparently Clovis as well it seems like it may function as the afterlife to some degree. Again, it's just a theory at the moment until more info comes along. I wasn't completely disregarding the idea that Lelouch could be a reincarnation of someone C.C. loved. There just haven't been any indications of that being the case or of whether reincarnation is possible.

I'm somewhat interested as to who that third speaker is that C.C. has been speaking to. We have Marianne, V.V., and this third person. Each one seems to have some relation to C.C. somehow, but I can't figure out how this third person is related to C.C.. Maybe a past lover or perhaps even one of these Gods?

Angry? More like frustrated.

I make a post about something sounding "interesting" and I'm told I'm wrong because you think the World of C might strike out the whole concept of reincarnation. Basically, you told me I'm wrong because you think something that doesn't have a definition might rule out something else that doesn't have any evidence of being wrong.

That, my friend, is comparable to throwing make believe water at a fire with the intentions of putting it out. You may think there's water and you may think it'll put the fire out, but there's nothing else that says you're right.

[Dann of Thursday]

I said that "I" wouldn't quite say that. It was just my thoughts regarding the idea. I didn't say the whole idea was impossible and wrong. If you interpreted it that way, I'm sorry.

[Blue_Mercy]

As I was reading across some of the blogs that review, one of them noted something interesting about C.C. this episode which was that she didn't care if Lelouch's rebellion ended, which means the contract doesn't have to do with facing V.V. or the Emperor, only that Lelouch stay alive.

[Dann of Thursday]

She probably needs him to do something or become something. V.V. probably isn't a problem if Lelouch stops the rebellion. She may even want it over to avoid the trouble.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

As I was reading across some of the blogs that review, one of them noted something interesting about C.C. this episode which was that she didn't care if Lelouch's rebellion ended, which means the contract doesn't have to do with facing V.V. or the Emperor, only that Lelouch stay alive.

Pretty sure it was obvious it never had anything to do with the contract.

Otherwise Lelouch wouldn't have mentioned granting CC's wish separate from his.

[Var]

As I was reading across some of the blogs that review, one of them noted something interesting about C.C. this episode which was that she didn't care if Lelouch's rebellion ended, which means the contract doesn't have to do with facing V.V. or the Emperor, only that Lelouch stay alive.

So that knocks out another option... what are we left with exactly? Mao is proof that its not 'love', and her conversation with Marianne is proof that its not for fighting. Or are we at a zero point... again?

Pretty sure it was obvious it never had anything to do with the contract.

Otherwise Lelouch wouldn't have mentioned granting CC's wish separate from his.

If all that has to happen is for him to stay alive, as she said this episode. Then why did she even bother waking him from the fake memories? It'd be the same as him losing his source of motivation... so how does she expect him to fulfill her contract if Lelouch has no desire to do anything?

[Dann of Thursday]

The whole thing could just be one huge game where we won't understand it till everything is revealed.

I wonder if it has anything to do with these Gods. Maybe C.C. wants to go back to the heavens or something.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

If all that has to happen is for him to stay alive, as she said this episode. Then why did she even bother waking him from the fake memories? It'd be the same as him losing his source of motivation... so how does she expect him to fulfill her contract if Lelouch has no desire to do anything?

Because she can't get any closer to him if he can't use his geass or if he doesn't know her. Especially if he was under watch. Better to have him by your side than being forced to keep shadowing him.

When Cornelia tried to lure Zero out for the first time, she was willing to gun his legs down to keep him from going.

[Dann of Thursday]

She'll manipulate him or do anything if it gets that contract done.

[Blue_Mercy]

So that knocks out another option... what are we left with exactly? Mao is proof that its not 'love', and her conversation with Marianne is proof that its not for fighting. Or are we at a zero point... again?

Until it's stated otherwise, my initial guess that the contract has Lelouch becoming immortal/like C.C. is still on the table.


If all that has to happen is for him to stay alive, as she said this episode. Then why did she even bother waking him from the fake memories? It'd be the same as him losing his source of motivation... so how does she expect him to fulfill her contract if Lelouch has no desire to do anything?

He didn't know about the contract and his geass wasn't active.

[Var]

Because she can't get any closer to him if he can't use his geass or if he doesn't know her. Especially if he was under watch. Better to have him by your side than being forced to keep shadowing him.

When Cornelia tried to lure Zero out for the first time, she was willing to gun his legs down to keep him from going.

Again, what use is Lelouch when he has no motivation? The Black Knights are the physical form of Lelouch's desire to change the world. Without them, and his desire, he's a sack of potatoes.

Until it's stated otherwise, my initial guess that the contract has Lelouch becoming immortal/like C.C. is still on the table.

Seems rather simple if its to have failed so many times and with so many past contractors.

[Dann of Thursday]

Until it's stated otherwise, my initial guess that the contract has Lelouch becoming immortal/like C.C. is still on the table.

Yeah, but what's the point of that? Unless there currently is no God and they need someone to take God's place.

[Blue_Mercy]

Yeah, but what's the point of that? Unless there currently is no God and they need someone to take God's place.

Loneliness can reach even cold-hearted witches.

[Dann of Thursday]

I don't think it's as simple as not wanting to be alone anymore. She could have just stayed with Mao if that was the case.

[KrimzonStriker]

I don't think it's as simple as not wanting to be alone anymore. She could have just stayed with Mao if that was the case.

That would have been temporary though, as she says everyone she's known has been lost to time eventually. Very sad if you think about it :upset:

[Dann of Thursday]

Applies to Lelouch as well if that was the contract. There's something more to it, but we need something more.

[KrimzonStriker]

Applies to Lelouch as well if that was the contract. There's something more to it, but we need something more.

You mean what the contract actually is? Who knows, we'll just have to wait like always :rolleyes:

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, or what it involves. Does Lelouch even know?

The only sort of hint that I saw was when the novels made was that one who turns away from the world cannot fufill it.

[Var]

Until it's stated otherwise, my initial guess that the contract has Lelouch becoming immortal/like C.C. is still on the table.


Just remembered, but wouldn't this simply destroy Lelouch, having to watch Nunally die and still living on. He may not be fighting just for her anymore, but he'd die with her if she was going to die.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, that depends on what happens and how one views it. If he were immortal, he could watch over her and the world he creates. She's going to die eventually, though he probably expects himself to go before she does.

[Blue_Mercy]

Just remembered, but wouldn't this simply destroy Lelouch, having to watch Nunally die and still living on. He may not be fighting just for her anymore, but he'd die with her if she was going to die.

C.C. warned him about that before she offered the contract to him, of course this all just speculation.

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah and he was prepared to accept it. He may not like it in the end if that were the case, but he could eventually live with it I think. He'd be able to watch over her for the rest of her life as well as the rest of the world. He could watch over Nunnally's descendents too (if she has any).

[KrimzonStriker]

Yeah and he was prepared to accept it. He may not like it in the end if that were the case, but he could eventually live with it I think. He'd be able to watch over her for the rest of her life as well as the rest of the world. He could watch over Nunnally's descendents too (if she has any).

Wasn't he always preparing for that though? To eventually secure a place for Nunnally, a person to watch out for her, even without him? It just didn't come true in the way he expected, that's all... >_>

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, one can say they are prepared for something, but still be surprised or something when it actually happens. Of course, this is in the case that something like this ends up happening in the end or not.

[Used Can]

Well, one can say they are prepared for something, but still be surprised or something when it actually happens.
That's only natural, since one way or the other, he is still human. Just take a look at that episode in S1 when he said he was prepared for carnage, and in the next episode when he killed Shirley's father he felt terrible.

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, and I suppose to some degree C.C. is like that too with how she started out not wanting any personal connection with Lelouch other than business one.

I wonder how C.C. is going to explain talking to Marianne. 25 gave the impression she would tell him everything eventually. Maybe she'll let Marianne do the talking.

[Used Can]

Am I the only one who'd rather see Lelouch learn the truth about Marianne from a 3rd party and not from C.C.? I'd really like to see what his reaction would be if he came to realise C.C. has held many of the answers he has wanted all along. He'd probably have been able to prevent some deaths if he would have had that information. I'd really like to see a Lelouch full of rage lash out at C.C..

Mind you, I'm quite sure C.C. has had good reasons not to have told Lelouch anything, but misunderstandings like this are always interesting to see when people are supposed to be cooperating.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Am I the only one who'd rather see Lelouch learn the truth about Marianne from a 3rd party and not from C.C.? I'd really like to see what his reaction would be if he came to realise C.C. has held many of the answers he has wanted all along. He'd probably have been able to prevent some deaths if he would have had that information. I'd really like to see a Lelouch full of rage lash out at C.C..

Mind you, I'm quite sure C.C. has had good reasons not to have told Lelouch anything, but misunderstandings like this are always interesting to see when people are supposed to be cooperating.

Well, he might hear the truth from Schneizel or the emperor at some point. If C.C. then confirms to him that it really is the truth and/or that she already knew that, Lulu's gonna be pissed, alright.. :uhoh:

[Dann of Thursday]

I could see him running into V.V. and V.V. telling him everything for kicks. Lelouch would be absolutely furious with her and actually could end up hating her for keeping the info from him. There's nothing that's going to make that better unless she does something and the only thing I could see is her dying.

I hope there are good reasons for it. I expect Marianne to talk with Lelouch at some point and I hope she explains everything.

[KrimzonStriker]

I think it'll be fine for the most part, after getting past Nunnally that kind of thing seems like cakewalk to get over now ;)

[Dann of Thursday]

I don't think so really. That subject is even more touchy with him than Nunnally is I think so he'll be very angry with C.C..

Here's something though: What does Marianne get out of helping C.C.? Someone brought this up in the 7 thread, but what if what C.C. is supposed to guide Lelouch to is the throne? I don't like the idea personally since I don't want Lelouch being the ruler of Britannia or something in the end. It actually seems plausible though.

[KrimzonStriker]

But he gave up the rebellion, even the means of finding out his mother's death in order to save Nunnally. If I had to measure it I'd say Nunnally comes out over revenge, and now he's replaced that with conviction that he's fighting for more then just that, for everyone now, and for a chance at happiness.

I doubt it really, it just really, really, really seems like small potatoes considering the mystical forces they are playing with here >_>

[Dann of Thursday]

Maybe, but he'll be angry if only for a time. It depends on how he finds out I suppose.

Well, I was only speaking of what Marianne may have wanted. C.C. could still want her own mystical wish.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Here's something though: What does Marianne get out of helping C.C.? Someone brought this up in the 7 thread, but what if what C.C. is supposed to guide Lelouch to is the throne? I don't like the idea personally since I don't want Lelouch being the ruler of Britannia or something in the end. It actually seems plausible though.

Well, maybe. sof ar it seems like Britannia may have been behind the murder of Marianne, but then one might argue for what reason. Perhaps she was C.C.'s accomplie and was killed for that, perhaps she found out about the emperor's plan and attempted to stop it - or perhaps she was plotting to make Lelouch THE successor to the throne and was killed for that - or soemthing like that anyway. There's many possible causes as to why she was killed and until we know why, many things as far as C.C. and Marianne's plans as far as Lelouch and his rebellion goes will remain completely in the dark.

[Used Can]

Now that we're talking about Marianne, I wonder what are the requirements to talk with dead people. At first, I thought only C.C. and her kin were capable of doing that, but I remember at the beginning of Ep. 6 in S1, the Emperor said he was talking with Clovis (this is, after Clovis' death).

[Meatrose]

Now that we're talking about Marianne, I wonder what are the requirements to talk with dead people. At first, I thought only C.C. and her kin were capable of doing that, but I remember at the beginning of Ep. 6 in S1, the Emperor said he was talking with Clovis (this is, after Clovis' death).

He could have been using V.V. as a medium.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, maybe. so far it seems like Britannia may have been behind the murder of Marianne, but then one might argue for what reason. Perhaps she was C.C.'s accomplie and was killed for that, perhaps she found out about the emperor's plan and attempted to stop it - or perhaps she was plotting to make Lelouch THE successor to the throne and was killed for that - or soemthing like that anyway. There's many possible causes as to why she was killed and until we know why, many things as far as C.C. and Marianne's plans as far as Lelouch and his rebellion goes will remain completely in the dark.

I'm sure about Britannia being behind it myself. I think it's possible that Marianne set the whole thing up or V.V. did it. Though I suppose the latter could be considered Britannia.

All those scenarios could work. Actually, all three could be linked though this is speaking hypothetically. I don't know if the rebellion is really so much an aspect of their plan as it is Lelouch's wish. Of course, if the whole thing was set up then I guess it could work.

He could have been using V.V. as a medium.

I've been thinking that could be the case as well. Meh, we'll find out exactly what has been going on eventually.

Maybe the SoA allows for that since it's related to Geass.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I'm sure about Britannia being behind it myself. I think it's possible that Marianne set the whole thing up or V.V. did it. Though I suppose the latter could be considered Britannia.

All those scenarios could work. Actually, all three could be linked though this is speaking hypothetically. I don't know if the rebellion is really so much an aspect of their plan as it is Lelouch's wish. Of course, if the whole thing was set up then I guess it could work.

Indeed, it's hard to come to any other conclusion than that the murder of Marianne was done from within Britannia - but as for who did it (The emperor? Schneizel or any other rival? or was it all arranged by Marianne herself?), well,t hat remains a mystery. But Lelouch could very well find out in the end that he wasn't the true "mastermind" behind the rebellion, only the catalyst for it, sorta.

[Dann of Thursday]

That would probably be pretty devestating for him if he found out that his mother and C.C. decided to make him to all this and suffer all this pain.

[KrimzonStriker]

I'm sure they have perfectly good reasons for it... I just can't think of any right now :heh:

[Dann of Thursday]

Depends on how good they really are. Lelouch and us may not think that their reasons are as good as they may think they are.

[Esper 28]

Am I the only one who'd rather see Lelouch learn the truth about Marianne from a 3rd party and not from C.C.? I'd really like to see what his reaction would be if he came to realise C.C. has held many of the answers he has wanted all along. He'd probably have been able to prevent some deaths if he would have had that information. I'd really like to see a Lelouch full of rage lash out at C.C..

Mind you, I'm quite sure C.C. has had good reasons not to have told Lelouch anything, but misunderstandings like this are always interesting to see when people are supposed to be cooperating.

I think the episode where Lelouch learns, from a third party, that C.C. has been holding out on him will be great. It is just so fitting that one of Lelouch's enemies will clue him in and he'll turn to C.C. and demand the truth. It would be really interesting to see how Lelouch would ultimately handle something like that.

[Dann of Thursday]

It would be a real test on whatever trust has developed with them, that's for sure. I'm wondering how C.C. would act in a situation like that. She could act like her usual self, but I wonder if it might be different.

I'm curious as to what the conditions we learn the rest of C.C.'s story will be. We've gotten all of what we have so far through those Geass flashes when something goes wrong and he gets in her head. Is there some other way we could do it?

[blewin]

can somebody remind me, who is Marianne?

[Dann of Thursday]

Lelouch's mom.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

can somebody remind me, who is Marianne?

Lelouch and Nunnally's mother.

[yezhanquan]

can somebody remind me, who is Marianne?

The lady who's supposed to be dead, and yet C.C could speak to her.

[blewin]

wow...

hey, that makes sense though. Since Lelouch's father also has a Geass guy working for him, it only makes sense that his mother also has something up her sleeves... this might be the reason why she was murdered in the first place!

[Pathis87]

I have been thinking over this tought a while now and it just keeps comming up in my head whenever i think about CC's scars over her body.
I developped a theory that those scars are actually made by inscissions cause they seem to start from the gut to the chest . So maybe after Marianne got killed they tapped some blood and tissue ( like claymore) and put it into CC ? It would explain why she can talk to Marianne in the whole world of C thing , thus making her a communicating vessel between that world and the 'living world'. We do know the body of Marianne was moved /removed from her tombe .... could be by Schneizer i think.

[Ice_Bullet]

I have been thinking over this tought a while now and it just keeps comming up in my head whenever i think about CC's scars over her body.
I developped a theory that those scars are actually made by inscissions cause they seem to start from the gut to the chest . So maybe after Marianne got killed they tapped some blood and tissue ( like claymore) and put it into CC ? It would explain why she can talk to Marianne in the whole world of C thing , thus making her a communicating vessel between that world and the 'living world'. We do know the body of Marianne was moved /removed from her tombe .... could be by Schneizer i think.

okay. how and why? how can it be schneizel? i don't think he met C.C before. and why would C.C need implants LOL. >_> okay wrong statement lol. Why would they implant a dead body into a living person >_> doesnt make sense and how can ones spirit remain in a body part? lol. But im not saying its wrong. it certainly is possible.

anyway i also have a theory.

The world of C. could it be something like heaven? If im right charles once talked to clovis. Could be that the sword of akasha and geass users have links to the dead =|. i'm not surprised if C.C starts to talk to mao lol. Maybe Geass users are "chosen" to cleanse their sins by making others fullfill what they can't.

uh yeah thats all i think

[Tormenk]

The scars on C.C.'s body aren't recent, relatively speaking. They were shown in her flashbacks to her past.

[Dann of Thursday]

And it's not scars. It's scar. She only has the one and it seems she has had it for a very long time.

[Ice_Bullet]

that still wouldn't explain how she can talk to the dead >_>


see my theory i guess

[Dann of Thursday]

Maybe because it's an ability that comes with being what she is?

[Ice_Bullet]

that would mean all geass givers have access to this world of C. which in my theory that states heaven. hmm..C.C could be a medium lol. open her own shop.. people will come flocking to talk to their deceased relatives =x

[Pathis87]

Maybe because it's an ability that comes with being what she is?

well it was said by cornelia , Schneizer moved the body of Marianne after Lelouch geassed her. I mean why move a body if your not gonna do something with it ? :eyebrow:

It doesn't really have to be Schneizer who actually did something to CC , i think that would have been more Clovis' department but you have to know that even Schneizer doesn't know the real reason behind evry order he gets from the emperor , this is shown by Charles himself saying to Suzaku that even Schneizer wasn't allowed in or didn't know about SoA .

About the scar , altough we do see some of CC's past , like the witchstaple and WW 1 with the trenches , those memories themselves could be all falsified. CC said to lelouch she doesn't really remember who she original was ... .

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, V.V. can communicate through it as well so that probably is the case.

What's the point of C.C. in this show anyway? Couldn't they just leave her out of the show at this point until the last few episodes where she may actually be needed?

[Ice_Bullet]

Well, V.V. can communicate through it as well so that probably is the case.

What's the point of C.C. in this show anyway? Couldn't they just leave her out of the show at this point until the last few episodes where she may actually be needed?

lol. well, shes a major help for lelouch. at times she offers advice.. at times shes just playing around -.-. lol but personally i feel shes important as shes helps out with the OotBK although it is not shown on screen.

[Dann of Thursday]

That position is Kallen's now, so she really has no purpose in this show until the end now. She hasn't demonstrated she can do anything at all. Ougi and Toudou probably do more than she does.

[Ice_Bullet]

that kinda sucks. lol that means C.C is a pointless character other then the fact that she can talk to marianne and give people geass if not she would be like nina. pointless and nothing.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, if you think about it that really is the only point to her character.

[Ice_Bullet]

true.. hmm i would think they had better make her do soemthing soon.. shes like a useless character now..

[Dann of Thursday]

I wouldn't count on anything for a while though some scene related to V.V. or the Geass could come up I guess.

[Ice_Bullet]

i hope C.C and V.V meet soon.. i wanna see what happens. hmm.. some scenes here and there... hope they're good tho

[Dann of Thursday]

Don't expect it till the final showdown, though I suppose he could pop up randomly. I get the impression from him that he doesn't travel very often though except when it's important.

[Pathis87]

Altough she doesn't really do much in the Order herself , she is an important factor to Lelouch giving him guidance how to deal with his geass properly like giving him that special lens and watching over him but that's probably why marianne keeps bugging her. :heh:
Until the day comes that kallen knows as much as CC about him and when she takes over the postion as person who he needs to find his support with (mentally) not only as LI then you could say CC is out of the picture .
I wonder if she(kallen) knows already about lelouch being a prince. Altough eclipse did implement it , i got the feeling they were more speculating then actually kallen saying it in her words .

[Used Can]

^Kallen knows Nunally is Lelouch's sister. If Nunally is Governor of Area 11, that must mean she's part of the Britannian royalty, and if Lelouch is her brother, then he must be part of the royalty as well.

Also, while I agree Kallen has had more screen-time and relevance than C.C. in the current chapters, I do not think she has become more important than her in general. At the moments battles are being built; so, obviously, Kallen would have had more screen-time. Once the mysteries start to kick in, C.C. will start having more relevance. It was the same in the last season, although C.C. was a little more active since she had a little more freedom than the one she currently has.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, maybe when they are out of Japan she will have a little more freedom, though we'll have to see.

[Used Can]

That's assuming she'll take interest in whatever Lelouch does in China. People tend to forget the OotBK is none of her business; she just got involved because Lelouch somewhat dragged her in.

Anyway, although I quite understand why would people whine a bit too much about her lack of appearances, I think there are 3 things which should be taken into consideration:

1. We've yet to see more of her past. I do not think it is a matter of if, but a matter of when they will be shown to us.
2. The mysteries at some point will start being revealed, and she'll be involved then.
3. Lelouch's Geass will go out of control again; she'll most likely will be involved in that situation too.

Kallen and other characters are getting more screen-time now because they deserve it. Also, by the time all the mysteries start getting focus, most likely, there won't be enough time to give them proper screen-time, and development; so, the time to give them the opportunity to shine is now. C.C. will get some focus eventually, but for the moment, I think it is only fair for the other characters to get their share.

[Var]

Also, while I agree Kallen has had more screen-time and relevance than C.C. in the current chapters, I do not think she has become more important than her in general. At the moments battles are being built; so, obviously, Kallen would have had more screen-time. Once the mysteries start to kick in, C.C. will start having more relevance. It was the same in the last season, although C.C. was a little more active since she had a little more freedom than the one she currently has.

There's a problem with this idea; unlike season 1, the mystery of Geass are no longer a monopoly for C2. She will have more relevance, sure, but V2 and Charles can, and probably will, fill in a large amount of what needs to told to both us and Lelouch. There's also one other thing to note, C2 disaccociated herself from Lelouch's battle in Episode 7. Meaning, that his fight is his own, after all, all she needs is for him to be alive and that'd be much easier without the Rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised if her role did continue remaining small up till we reach Charles and V2.


1. We've yet to see more of her past. I do not think it is a matter of if, but a matter of when they will be shown to us.


I'd say a good bit of her past will remain something lost to time. That is why it is so important to her character, because she no longer remember much of anything about it. It'd be a rather cheap ploy to change something that defines her character and the 'price' of her immortality.


2. The mysteries at some point will start being revealed, and she'll be involved then.


Again, this isn't just for her anymore.


3. Lelouch's Geass will go out of control again; she'll most likely will be involved in that situation too.

Why do you think such? The only foreshadowing we have is that the contact will eventually be unable to supress Geass, not that it will evolve further. You'll notice in S1, the event where his Geass became permanent was foreshadowed with Mao and various other little hints from C2. There's been no such foreshadowing as of yet... and time is not limitless.


Kallen and other characters are getting more screen-time now because they deserve it. Also, by the time all the mysteries start getting focus, most likely, there won't be enough time to give them proper screen-time, and development; so, the time to give them the opportunity to shine is now. C.C. will get some focus eventually, but for the moment, I think it is only fair for the other characters to get their share.

I'd imagine Kallen is being developed now because she is a microcosm of the Order and Japan's emotions and views, though far more personal. This is the arc of Japan and once it ends, and once we move to China, Kallen's role will have to change unless she simply drops out of the story... which is highly unlikely. She can no longer go to just obedient follower, especially not after Episode 7 where she seemed ready to take up the mask if need be, and especially not if they finally finish the mini-subplot of Lelouch is the person while Zero is the idea. But I digress as this is for Kallen's thread more...

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, her past is linked to the Geass and would likely answer a lot of questions so I am not expecting anything on that really until near the end. I hope they don't keep having random moments where he gets into her head though.

I suppose that argument makes sense for everyone else though. They'd have to wrap up most of the plotlines by that time before we move onto that part of the plot.

Edit: Nevermind, Var's absolutely right about all of that so she'll just remain where she is now.

[Used Can]

There's a problem with this idea; unlike season 1, the mystery of Geass are no longer a monopoly for C2.
Care to point out where did I say it would only involve C.C.? As far as I know, all I said was she'd get more relevance. And since this is the C.C. thread, I'll talk about her, not about the Emperor, V.V., Marianne, or whoever else may show up.

I'd say a good bit of her past will remain something lost to time. That is why it is so important to her character, because she no longer remember much of anything about it. It'd be a rather cheap ploy to change something that defines her character and the 'price' of her immortality.
Once again, you're reading too much from my post. I didn't say, nor do I expect to get every single detail from her past, just key points that would shed more light into her character.

Why do you think such? The only foreshadowing we have is that the contact will eventually be unable to supress Geass, not that it will evolve further.
Indeed, but we do not know what she meant with it becoming stronger, nor the implications of it. The more Lelouch uses his Geass, the stronger it'll become (I think something like that was mentioned once). We're yet to see what will occur once that happens.

You'll notice in S1, the event where his Geass became permanent was foreshadowed with Mao and various other little hints from C2. There's been no such foreshadowing as of yet... and time is not limitless.
And Mao didn't appear until episode... 13? 14? Also, before he showed up, we didn't have any idea Geass could go out of control. Now that we know it, we do not need another Mao.

I'd imagine Kallen is being developed now because she is a microcosm of the Order and Japan's emotions and views, though far more personal. This is the arc of Japan and once it ends, and once we move to China, Kallen's role will have to change unless she simply drops out of the story... which is highly unlikely. She can no longer go to just obedient follower, especially not after Episode 7 where she seemed ready to take up the mask if need be, and especially not if they finally finish the mini-subplot of Lelouch is the person while Zero is the idea. But I digress as this is for Kallen's thread more...
I didn't say she or other characters wouldn't get any (or very little) development at all afterwards (which would have been stupid from me, since Kallen is an important character), just that, unlike the current episodes, by the time the mysteries start getting focus, they won't get as much focus as they are getting now.

[Var]

Care to point out where did I say it would only involve C.C.? As far as I know, all I said was she'd get more relevance. And since this is the C.C. thread, I'll talk about her, not about the Emperor, V.V., Marianne, or whoever else may show up.

I never said you said it would only be her, the purpose of my remark was to take note of the fact that her relevance increase purely from the Geass side wouldn't be as large as it was in, say, Season 1. I am simply putting out a contrast.


Once again, you're reading too much from my post. I didn't say, nor do I expect to get every single detail from her past, just key points that would shed more light into her character.

Such as? Most everything has already been covered that doesn't involve things she doesn't remember herself. And again, anything in her past related to Geass can also, again, be revealed by V2 as he did in S1.


Indeed, but we do not know what she meant with it becoming stronger, nor the implications of it. The more Lelouch uses his Geass, the stronger it'll become (I think something like that was mentioned once). We're yet to see what will occur once that happens.

Stronger is fine, but there's no indication that it will evolve further or mimic anything that may have occured in S1. Stronger may mean he can simply geass more people at once. One thing I can almost guarantee not happening is him aquiring the ability to geass more than once; that's the limit on his ability and changing that is a rather skeptical manuever. So, while it can become stronger, there's no real evidence to suggest it will do anything radical as in S1.


And Mao didn't appear until episode... 13? 14? Also, before he showed up, we didn't have any idea Geass could go out of control. Now that we know it, we do not need another Mao.

We also had another season so episode 13 wasn't late; we don't have said luxury and as such, we can't assume the same timescale. Given only 18 more episodes, developments akin to Mao need occur much sooner than they did in S1. And, if I recall correctly, we had hints prior to Mao about Geass's ability to become something more powerful.


I didn't say she or other characters wouldn't get any (or very little) development at all afterwards (which would have been stupid from me, since Kallen is an important character), just that, unlike the current episodes, by the time the mysteries start getting focus, they won't get as much focus as they are getting now.

I'd imagine those mysteries will continue to fall into place as they have been, sporadically through the episodes. I do not expect to see the plot ever shift anywhere near entirely from Lelouch's Battle to the secrets of Geass. They're a nice addition to the plot, but this story is about Lelouch's battle mainly, and the geass as a side dish. This isn't Lelouch and the Mysterious Geass. It's Lelouch of the Rebellion, for whatever a series' title is worth. So, again, I do not see their importance or screen time dropping given the actual plot of the story.

[Dann of Thursday]

So why is C.C. still even around then?

[Var]

So why is C.C. still even around then?

Because she's the antithesis of V2 and the connection to Marianne. That is where i expect to see her become important.

[Dann of Thursday]

Oh, so that's the only reason she's even around anymore. Okay.

[Used Can]

I never said you said it would only be her, the purpose of my remark was to take note of the fact that her relevance increase purely from the Geass side wouldn't be as large as it was in, say, Season 1. I am simply putting out a contrast.
Obviously, but that doesn't mean she won't get a large role. She is still one of the main characters in this anime.

Such as? Most everything has already been covered that doesn't involve things she doesn't remember herself. And again, anything in her past related to Geass can also, again, be revealed by V2 as he did in S1.
Her identity? How did she end up as witch? What is it that she wants? Character development?

Stronger is fine, but there's no indication that it will evolve further or mimic anything that may have occured in S1. Stronger may mean he can simply geass more people at once. One thing I can almost guarantee not happening is him aquiring the ability to geass more than once; that's the limit on his ability and changing that is a rather skeptical manuever. So, while it can become stronger, there's no real evidence to suggest it will do anything radical as in S1.
This is why I said we do not know what will happen once it becomes stronger. All we can do is speculate, but we barely have anything to base those speculations on.

We also had another season so episode 13 wasn't late; we don't have said luxury and as such, we can't assume the same timescale. Given only 18 more episodes, developments akin to Mao need occur much sooner than they did in S1. And, if I recall correctly, we had hints prior to Mao about Geass's ability to become something more powerful.
Did we know there would be a season 2 back in the first episodes (I'm asking since I never looked at all these kinds of information back then)? Also, I do not remember any important hint before Mao's appearance. Anyhow, we do not need another Mao. We haven't even reached the half of the season to see what will happen with Lelouch's Geass. C.C. hinted it'll become stronger; let's see what happens.

I'd imagine those mysteries will continue to fall into place as they have been, sporadically through the episodes. I do not expect to see the plot ever shift anywhere near entirely from Lelouch's Battle to the secrets of Geass. They're a nice addition to the plot, but this story is about Lelouch's battle mainly, and the geass as a side dish. This isn't Lelouch and the Mysterious Geass. It's Lelouch of the Rebellion, for whatever a series' title is worth. So, again, I do not see their importance or screen time dropping given the actual plot of the story.
Isn't the name of the anime Code Geass (which, technically, started when a mysterious girl gave Lelouch that power)? That, and, all these battles are not as important as the Geass and all the mysteries around it. Lelouch started this rebellion precisely because of those mysteries.

Obviously, at the beginning, we'd get information little by little, but at this point, when the mysteries should be solved, I do not think that will happen.

[Dann of Thursday]

The show was concieved as a 50 episode series so everything was planned out in advance with them changing things here and there as they saw fit.

[Var]

Obviously, but that doesn't mean she won't get a large role. She is still one of the main characters in this anime.

It doesn't mean she will either.


Her identity? How did she end up as witch? What is it that she wants? Character development?

Things she mostly doesn't remember last I checked. The only real thing is the contract's true purpose.


This is why I said we do not know what will happen once it becomes stronger. All we can do is speculate, but we barely have anything to base those speculations on.

Well we can safely assume that some possibilities won't be happening, such as flowers sprouting out of Lelouch's eye.


Did we know there would be a season 2 back in the first episodes (I'm asking since I never looked at all these kinds of information back then)? Also, I do not remember any important hint before Mao's appearance. Anyhow, we do not need another Mao. We haven't even reached the half of the season to see what will happen with Lelouch's Geass. C.C. hinted it'll become stronger; let's see what happens.

Yes, it was, from my knowledge, almost always planned out to be 50 and most certainly by that point it was set. We'll simply have to wait and see.


Isn't the name of the anime Code Geass (which, technically, started when a mysterious girl gave Lelouch that power)? That, and, all these battles are not as important as the Geass and all the mysteries around it. Lelouch started this rebellion precisely because of those mysteries.

The name is the name Lelouch gave to the power. He dubbed it Geass, it is the code name for the power. The name is still Lelouch of the Rebellion though. Lelouch started his rebellion because he had a goal, the Geass only expediated the process, a point he made clear in S1.


Obviously, at the beginning, we'd get information little by little, but at this point, when the mysteries should be solved, I do not think that will happen.

For it to be revealed at a higher rate would require the story shift away from Lelouch's battle, which I don't see happening.

[Dann of Thursday]

Basically, the Order and everyone in it take precedent over C.C. in terms of importance in the plot.

[thedonkiluminati]

It doesn't mean she will either.


For it to be revealed at a higher rate would require the story shift away from Lelouch's battle, which I don't see happening.

I disagree with your opinion that mysteries surrounding the geass aren't as important as the rebellion. I think they're just as important. I see information about the geass being revealed without them totally shifting focus away from the rebellion.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, the mysteries could be related to whether or not the rebellion succeeds.

[Used Can]

It doesn't mean she will either.
No, but it just happens that main characters tend to have large roles. That doesn't mean she'll have one, as you said. :)

Things she mostly doesn't remember last I checked. The only real thing is the contract's true purpose.
That doesn't mean we won't get to know about them, or that she won't get to remember important things, since those are clue to who she really is, and many other things about her. Also, once again, character development.

Well we can safely assume that some possibilities won't be happening, such as flowers sprouting out of Lelouch's eye.
He won't be shooting lasers, or start copying his enemies techniques either.

The name is the name Lelouch gave to the power. He dubbed it Geass, it is the code name for the power.
No, he said he heard the name Geass when he made the contract, and that's why he named it that way.

The name is still Lelouch of the Rebellion though. Lelouch started his rebellion because he had a goal, the Geass only expediated the process, a point he made clear in S1.
Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Code Geass is the main name of the series. Also, he had that goal because of some conspiracy, and that conspiracy seems to be related with Geass. No conspiracy, no rebellion. No Geass, and Lelouch, quite possibly, wouldn't have been able to advance as much as he has had.

For it to be revealed at a higher rate would require the story shift away from Lelouch's battle, which I don't see happening.
It doesn't need to shift away completely from it. All it would mean is the battles wouldn't have most of the focus anymore, that's all.

[KrimzonStriker]

Well, the mysteries could be related to whether or not the rebellion succeeds.

That isn't likely is it, given how C.C didn't care if Lelouch was Zero right? The rebellion, the war, all feel like proxies for something much bigger >_>

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, you're right. It's probably some huge chess game and they're all just pieces being controlled by C.C. and V.V.. Maybe everything with Kallen is just manipulation on her part.

[KrimzonStriker]

It seems inconsequential to make nice with Kallen, you're being paranoid now Dann >_>

[Dann of Thursday]

Maybe it's not that way. Emotional manipulation can go a long way and C.C. seems like the type who would be good at that. If it keeps Lelouch in her control she could do anything.

[KrimzonStriker]

Like I said, you're being paranoid Dann <_<

[Var]

That doesn't mean we won't get to know about them, or that she won't get to remember important things, since those are clue to who she really is, and many other things about her. Also, once again, character development.


I somehow don't think alot of those past events will be recalled; they seem like a price paid for her immortality and power. I'm certain it can be overturned but I simply don't see it happening. They can do character development as they have been doing in R2 so far, by having her interact with others more.


No, he said he heard the name Geass when he made the contract, and that's why he named it that way.

Ahh, my mistake then.


Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Code Geass is the main name of the series. Also, he had that goal because of some conspiracy, and that conspiracy seems to be related with Geass. No conspiracy, no rebellion. No Geass, and Lelouch, quite possibly, wouldn't have been able to advance as much as he has had.

One thing: No Geass, no dead Marianne, no crippled Nunally, and, if it is revealed that C2 and Marianne had some plot together, I can't see that as being good development for her in the eyes of Lelouch. So without the Geass there's no reason for the Rebellion if we follow that logic, as Nunally and he would still be living happily.


It doesn't need to shift away completely from it. All it would mean is the battles wouldn't have most of the focus anymore, that's all.

We'll have to wait and see.

As for names: Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring. Even with the name; the story did little to tell you about what the ring actually was other than a brief backstory and 'its power'. Its not very different from what Geass is doing. To actually find out about the origin of the ring and Sauron, by proxy, you'd need to read other material.

[Used Can]

I somehow don't think alot of those past events will be recalled; they seem like a price paid for her immortality and power. I'm certain it can be overturned but I simply don't see it happening. They can do character development as they have been doing in R2 so far, by having her interact with others more.
I think they'll be important; otherwise, they wouldn't have showed them to us. One can say they were just shown so that we could have glimpse of her story, but that left some questions. I think, in order to get to really know her, we have to see her past, what kind of person she was before she became a witch. Also, we'd probably be able to see in a better light why she became a witch, instead of, say, someone just explained it.

One thing: No Geass, no dead Marianne, no crippled Nunally, and, if it is revealed that C2 and Marianne had some plot together, I can't see that as being good development for her in the eyes of Lelouch. So without the Geass there's no reason for the Rebellion if we follow that logic, as Nunally and he would still be living happily.
That's precisely my point. Take away the conspiracy and the mysteries, and we wouldn't have had a story at all. Those two things are the base of this story, even if it seems to revolve mostly around battles (I'm not saying the battles aren't important, by the way). Also, I've already stated I'd like Lelouch to become enraged once he finds about Marianne talking with C.C.. I'm quite sure they have had good reasons all along, but, all the same, conflict between partners is always interesting to see, and I'd like to see how they solve it.

As for names: Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring. Even with the name; the story did little to tell you about what the ring actually was other than a brief backstory and 'its power'. Its not very different from what Geass is doing. To actually find out about the origin of the ring and Sauron, by proxy, you'd need to read other material.
Yes, but in LotR we didn't need to know much about Sauron, besides him being an evil King, that, and that if he would have recovered the Ring, mankind and other species would have been doomed. The information we were given about the rings and Sauron in the 3 books was more than enough (e.g. we know Sauron made those rings). The Silmarillion just expanded on those things, but it wasn't as if the stories in the 3 books were missing anything of high importance or crucial to be able to understand the story. Code Geass, on the other hand, without the mysteries solved, would be incomplete.

Geass is different from LotR, since characters like C.C. and V.V. are active, unlike Sauron. Also, unlike the rings, the power of Geass seems to be related to something deeper. (That, and we knew where the rings came from, and what their purpose was from the first book.)

PS: Lelouch of the Rebellion = LotR = Lord of the Rings XD (Yeah, I did notice that too before.)

PSS: We've fallen in the realm of speculation, and into the I'd-likes. So, for the time being, until we're giving more information, I'm dropping this discussion. Have fun guys.

[Var]

I think they'll be important; otherwise, they wouldn't have showed them to us. One can say they were just shown so that we could have glimpse of her story, but that left some questions. I think, in order to get to really know her, we have to see her past, what kind of person she was before she became a witch. Also, we'd probably be able to see in a better light why she became a witch, instead of, say, someone just explained it.

Well our opinions clearly differ here, so I think its best we leave it at that :p .


That's precisely my point. Take away the conspiracy and the mysteries, and we wouldn't have had a story at all. Those two things are the base of this story, even if it seems to revolve mostly around battles (I'm not saying the battles aren't important, by the way). Also, I've already stated I'd like Lelouch to become enraged once he finds about Marianne talking with C.C.. I'm quite sure they have had good reasons all along, but, all the same, conflict between partners is always interesting to see, and I'd like to see how they solve it.

I'm not really saying its the battles that will lose out for the mystery of Geass, more like the development of other finer plot points may get lost somewhere if to much of the story shifts to the mystery. I'd like to see what will happen when Lelouch does find out, even with good reason, I don't think he'll be happy at all. Because, no matter how you spin it, he was being used in a way.


Yes, but in LotR we didn't need to know much about Sauron, besides him being an evil King, that, and that if he would have recovered the Ring, mankind and other species would have been doomed. The information we were given about the rings and Sauron in the 3 books was more than enough (e.g. we know Sauron made those rings). The Silmarillion just expanded on those things, but it wasn't as if the stories in the 3 books were missing anything of high importance or crucial to be able to understand the story. Code Geass, on the other hand, without the mysteries solved, would be incomplete.

LotR didn't reveal anything about Sauron, in a sense it left him as an incomplete character who was just 'evil'. Silmarilion and the other books filled in the gap, there were plenty of incomplete elements within LoTR. I didn't say they wouldn't solve the mystery (that is V2's plot purpose), more that they wouldn't devote more than the sporadic additions to the puzzle till the very end where everything falls into place.


Geass is different from LotR, since characters like C.C. and V.V. are active, unlike Sauron. Also, unlike the rings, the power of Geass seems to be related to something deeper. (That, and we knew where the rings came from, and what their purpose was from the first book.)

Sauron was active, he simply acted through different people. Just like C2 and V2. We may have known about the rings, but we knew nothing about Sauron or very, very little. And the story of LoTR ties back to things far deeper than just Sauron and the rings. Much like code geass, it ties into the god(s).


PSS: We've fallen in the realm of speculation, and into the I'd-likes. So, for the time being, until we're giving more information, I'm dropping this discussion. Have fun guys.

Agreed. We're going to end up talking in circles.

[Used Can]

Because, no matter how you spin it, he was being used in a way.
He's done somewhat the same with the OotBK at the beginning. He offered them help, which proved to be useful, and they accepted. He didn't tell them precisely why they were created. Yes, he didn't lie to them, but he didn't tell them the full truth either. It is the same with C.C.. She offered him power at the cost he'd grant her one of her wishes, and he accepted. She hasn't lied to him, but she hasn't told him all she knows either (although, Lelouch knows she knows more than she has told him, like the deal with the Aries palace). Both the OotBK and Lelouch have being acting by their own accord. (Not that anything of these mean Lelouch will take the matter any more calmly, though.)

LotR didn't reveal anything about Sauron, in a sense it left him as an incomplete character who was just 'evil'.
True, but even if he was the main villain, he wasn't a main character. We didn't need much information about him, aside from his ambitions and his relevance for the plot. It's the same for the Emperor, and up to some extent V.V.. Do we need to have information about their pasts? No, we only need to know what they are doing, and their purpose. C.C. is a different deal, since she is a main character (and the second most popular one), and as such, needs development.

C.C. doesn't only need development as a character related to the plot's mysteries (which is the only part you've been relating her with), but as a human one as well. Actually, I'd say the latter is the most important for her, since, initially, she was presented as a seemingly cold character, but eventually, we realised there's more to what meets the eye. Basically, C.C. really is many of those things we haven't seen.

Anyway, I'm not the one who writes this story, and for all I know, they may decide on not expanding on her character (which I highly doubt, but let's assume there's that possibility). As I've already said, let us see how things are developed before we continue this discussion.

Much like code geass, it ties into the god(s).
They are pretty much a new concept in the story; so, it is nothing weird we barely know anything about them. And no, I am not expecting full details about their stories either, just who they are, what their purposes are, and what relevance they hold for the story.

Now, I'm seriously gone from this discussion. (Unless it doesn't involve speculation, that is.)

[Dann of Thursday]

I'm not expecting the whole thing with the Gods to get much explanation except for how C.C. is related to it. I'm not even expecting these Gods to appear in any sort of form or interact on their own accord(though for some reason I would love to see them actually interfere).

The mysteries surrounding the Geass and how this is related to C.C. will likely get addressed. They may not explain everything about those scenes in her past, but I would expect to at least get the basics on how she became the way she is, who she was originally, and of course that name of hers. I'm really wondering when that will come up. I would like to have Lelouch actually say it out loud for us to hear this time, but they could do it some other way if they wanted.

I still don't get what is up with that name being so important they would have to change the relationship charts (if they comment was completely serious).

As for her personal development as a person, what's left to address actually?

[Used Can]

As for her personal development as a person, what's left to address actually?
Several things, I think. We've seen some of the characters' raisons d'être, but we're yet to see hers. Also, although we've seen glimpses of the warm side of hers, it has been quite seldom. She has also stated to be a person who's been lonely for most of her life, and in a way, she seems to try people not to become too attached to her (at least, this the impression I got when she asked Lelouch if he was becoming attached to her, right after he saved her from Mao); I think a development in that area would be her getting somewhat more involved with people. There's also the bit in one of the drama CDs when she said she was a captive of the world (or something along those lines), a development there would be C.C. dealing with those restraints.

Things like what kind of person she was before she became a witch would also shed light on her human side, as well.

Not that I'm expecting every one of these things to be covered, but some would be good.

[Dann of Thursday]

I suppose that would be the revealing of her contract then?

That more warm side that seems to be concerned about Lelouch (she denied it when speaking with Marianne which seems to be something she does often though her little scene with Kaguya contradicted her words) may come up more, though I have to wonder what the point of it would be at this stage. Her interaction with Lelouch has been very much held back and I am not too sure of the current standing of it. Everytime it seems like they get closer, all of it gets completely dropped and goes back to normal. Her interactions don't need to be restrained to him, though I think they can be the most meaningful and important.

I think she has been getting more used to that idea of freedom that Lelouch wanted her to feel (hence why he bought those clothes so she would stop with the restraining suit).

Those aspects of her past will be very telling I think. I wouldn't be surprised if she was a rather different person than the one we have come to see. I wonder how Lelouch would react to seeing her like that originally if he goes through another of those image flashes. I have seen hints and such that she had someone in the past like a lover or something. I think this person could factor into her wish or something possibly.

I hope some of it gets covered as well. Not anytime soon of course, though I hope they don't rush it.

[Used Can]

^See mate, you can think positively. *pat* *pat*

Just watch things until the end, and if you didn't like the ending... well, you can be depressed then. XD

I wouldn't be surprised if she was a rather different person than the one we have come to see.
Hmm... I wouldn't know since there's not enough material, but that scene after Lelouch thanked her, and her reaction after Lelouch called her name were pretty... I wouldn't know how to say it, but that showed a glimpse of a warm side of hers.

[Dann of Thursday]

I'm in a pretty good mood at the moment. My first day at my new job went well and I watched Baccano!, which always cheers me up for some reason.

Meh, I like to be prepared in advance. I was like this through the second half of TTGL, got hopeful within the last two episodes, and got screwed over in the last one. I hope it's not too depressing, whatever it is.

I thought so as well with those scenes, though I detected a hint of nostalgia from her with those scenes. I kept getting the feeling she was trying to remember someone through Lelouch. That line when she spoke of someone calling her by her name indicates someone close to her.

[kk2extreme]

i wish cc could leave a direct decendant or two by the end of CG, hopefully with lulu

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, that would be nice and all, but why?

[kk2extreme]

Well, that would be nice and all, but why?

i always like kids fromt the mind characters, that always cheers me up no matter how sad the ending is.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, that's true and I suppose it could illustrate some point, but I wouldn't count on it. In fact, I wouldn't count on that with any of the girls. The most we'll get is that he is with someone in the end and even that is not certain.

[kk2extreme]

Well, that's true and I suppose it could illustrate some point, but I wouldn't count on it. In fact, I wouldn't count on that with any of the girls. The most we'll get is that he is with someone in the end and even that is not certain.

wishful thinking i suppose:rolleyes:

[Dann of Thursday]

At the moment, extremely so. That goes for any other fan. I like the idea myself, but I'm not expecting anything to come of it with anyone.

[Var]

i wish cc could leave a direct decendant or two by the end of CG, hopefully with lulu

And you know that she doesn't have them already, how? She's lived for many, many years. She could very well have had children somewhere along the way... especially since she mentions that there have been people she's loved in the past.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

And you know that she doesn't have them already, how? She's lived for many, many years. She could very well have had children somewhere along the way... especially since she mentions that there have been people she's loved in the past.

We are assuming IF she's fertile to have children:p

[Var]

We are assuming IF she's fertile to have children:p

Well if she's not fertile then that simply complicates the original thought. :heh: Less than a fireball's chance in Hell, since Hell clearly froze over ages ago due to the exothermic reactions. :p

[Cinocard]

We are assuming IF she's fertile to have children:p
Lolz, then we can't even be sure that "she" is a girl :uhoh: :heh:

[Ice_Bullet]

Lolz, then we can't even be sure that "she" is a girl :uhoh: :heh:

.. u know i don't wanna go into details. LOL. c'mon we all know shes a girl..

[Dann of Thursday]

And you know that she doesn't have them already, how? She's lived for many, many years. She could very well have had children somewhere along the way... especially since she mentions that there have been people she's loved in the past.

I suppose you would love that, wouldn't you? Since that would make her even worse of a person.

That would be hilarious if she did though since that makes things worse than they already are for her. Still, I doubt it.

[Stretch5920]

I suppose you would love that, wouldn't you? Since that would make her even worse of a person.

That would be hilarious if she did though since that makes things worse than they already are for her. Still, I doubt it.

Oh wow. You got some messed up views. How does having past boyfriends or children make her a bad person? grow up please.

[Dann of Thursday]

I'm not following, sorry. It would make her worse of a person since it would mean she abandoned them. Of course, we already saw that with Mao but he wasn't her own child.

Please don't so such things needlessly.

[Stretch5920]

or maybe they just died. Just because C.C is immortal doesn't mean her children would be.

[Dann of Thursday]

Good point. I'm not sure if the whole immortality thing carries over. It would be rather sad though if she once had a family. Of course, I'd think she would want to join them if that were the case.

[Kaze]

Good point. I'm not sure if the whole immortality thing carries over. It would be rather sad though if she once had a family. Of course, I'd think she would want to join them if that were the case.

The world of C get's a new theory?

[Dann of Thursday]

What? That it's her family? Clovis and Mao are there as well, so I doubt it.

[k//eternal]

Good point. I'm not sure if the whole immortality thing carries over. It would be rather sad though if she once had a family. Of course, I'd think she would want to join them if that were the case.

If that's the contract, it's really a shame.

[miroku2192]

If that's the contract, it's really a shame.

c.c.'s contract - "if you and i survive for 50 years...then my immortality goes straight to yo @$$ and i can die in peace, cya later:heh:"

that would suck lawl:eyespin:

[Dann of Thursday]

If that's the contract, it's really a shame.

Death would be a really lame thing for her to be wishing for all this time, but it's very likely I think.