Character Discussion - Suzaku

[Aquaman OS]

Well the games are different. The DS SAZ end is a game over as it pretty much finishes off the Order.

In Lost Colors however the Order supports the SAZ and still manages to operate to assist it with Lelouch working his plans from the shadows so its an actual happy end.

So its not impossible that Lelouch could work around the SAZ depending on what he did. He just wouldn't have been able to crush Britannia head on.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

So its not impossible that Lelouch could work around the SAZ depending on what he did. He just wouldn't have been able to crush Britannia head on.

When Lelouch accepted it he told Euphie himself that he would like to take up the reins and change some things for his own benefits.

So his fight wouldn't stop here, it's just that he'll be working at the back from now on.

[SanjiWatsuki]

Alright, I'm not sure if this has been posted or anything, but here my speculation on Suzaku.

Lelouch gave him the absolute worst possible Geass for him, ever. It all depends on how things play out later. Lelouch order Suzaku to live. In doing so, he may have cursed Suzaku to a living hell.

Consider the last episode released. We now know about the Code and its inherent immortality, did we not? Well, everyone with immortality seems to want to die, so far. Hmm... wanting to die... forced to live... I think it fits together.

Now, imagine if Suzaku got the Code, somehow. Suzaku now has immortality. Unlike the previous people who had wielded the Code, however, Suzaku is forced to live. This little situation has worked itself into an unstoppable living hell for Suzaku. He cannot pass on the Code, because it would end with him dying, forcing his Live Geass to activate.

Edit: * Suzaku may end up in a living hell — “Suzaku won’t be able to die even if he wanted to” and “Suzaku’s future may not be a happy one”

I can see that as reinforcing my opinion.

Just what flashed in my head after watching the last episode. Any thoughts?

[Orga777]

If we are informed the whole thing's going to hell the second it starts regardless of Lelouch's joke, then it kinda ruins the scene and mood and it's purpose. Not to mention you wouldn't get the same devastation that the writers are looking for. It's suppose be sincere, so they can make it look more brutal when it falls apart because of one bad joke.

People just like to blindly follow Lelouch no matter what though. Everything he says is law apparently and everything has zero percent chance of working unless it is his way.:rolleyes:

You see, this is the problem I have here. Lelouch is not the epitome of correct and he has been wrong before. And if he was so sure it wasn't going to work, then why the hell was he going to join it in the first place? it not only would have taken away his entire fighting force, it would have prevented him from getting what he wants. If it couldn't work, why would Schneizel, who is just as, if not more intelligent than Lelouch even allow it to be done in the first place? It was a start guys. It would take a while, but it is a way to get things rolling for a lasting peace (which is why Schneizel approved it in the first place.)

[morbosfist]

Now, imagine if Suzaku got the Code, somehow. Suzaku now has immortality. Unlike the previous people who had wielded the Code, however, Suzaku is forced to live. This little situation has worked itself into an unstoppable living hell for Suzaku. He cannot pass on the Code, because it would end with him dying, forcing his Live Geass to activate.If he got the Code, he would be immune to Geass. The live command would be invalidated.

[Dream_Traveller]

He still wouldn't be able to kill himself. It'd be worse for him than a simple command- after trying method after method in attempts to take his own life, he keeps reviving. I'd say that's more hellish than a command to 'live'.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

He still wouldn't be able to kill himself. It'd be worse for him than a simple command- after trying method after method in attempts to take his own life, he keeps reviving. I'd say that's more hellish than a command to 'live'.

Yeah, at least with his Live-geass-command, he can still hope to die by accident or by facing an overwhelming opponent or something - or at worst at least die of old age when that time comes :heh: . But give him a Code and he basically has no way out any longer... Expect for the old master/apparentice-thingy :uhoh:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

He still wouldn't be able to kill himself. It'd be worse for him than a simple command- after trying method after method in attempts to take his own life, he keeps reviving. I'd say that's more hellish than a command to 'live'.

Well he could always try Nina's bomb.

[morbosfist]

If it couldn't work, why would Schneizel, who is just as, if not more intelligent than Lelouch even allow it to be done in the first place? It was a start guys. It would take a while, but it is a way to get things rolling for a lasting peace (which is why Schneizel approved it in the first place.)As you point out, Schneizel is intelligent. Intelligent enough to see that this project would cause support for the Black Knights to evaporate. He even says so. The project had worth as a political tool, regardless of how long it would have lasted.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

As you point out, Schneizel is intelligent. Intelligent enough to see that this project would cause support for the Black Knights to evaporate. He even says so. The project had worth as a political tool, regardless of how long it would have lasted.

And if it doesn't last long then support for Zero will come back just as quickly as it evaporated.

Schenzeil stated specifically that the SAZ would pacifiy the rebels and bring peace back into the region. If it wasn't going to last long then he wouldn't be saying that. (And no he's definetly not breaking the fourth wall)

[morbosfist]

It didn't need to last long. All it takes is one event to destroy them. Their cause was doomed the second it was announced. Even if it had gone on and eventually fell through, that bad publicity would remain.

[kaefer_zwei]

The last great scene for suzaku in the series would be to sacrifice himself to save nunally from danger, over coming he's geass command. wether he lives or dies.. that would be awesome.
clearly suzaku is in a dilemma, wether to tell the emperor about lelouch and risk nunally or keep quite. if he does keep quite (most likely) what do you think are his options and where does he go from their?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

The last great scene for suzaku in the series would be to sacrifice himself to save nunally from danger, over coming he's geass command. wether he lives or dies.. that would be awesome.
clearly suzaku is in a dilemma, wether to tell the emperor about lelouch and risk nunally or keep quite. if he does keep quite (most likely) what do you think are his options and where does he go from their?

Well according to the spoilers,

Suzaku is going off to meet with Lelouch

The bigger question though is that the Emperor knows Lelouch is back so it's up to him whether or not to use Nunnally now. He may not have to now.

Regardless though his loyalty to Nunnally may force him to betray the Empire.

[Orga777]

It didn't need to last long. All it takes is one event to destroy them. Their cause was doomed the second it was announced. Even if it had gone on and eventually fell through, that bad publicity would remain.

If it didn't work, then pissed off Japanese will give the BK's even MORE support. Believe me, Schneizel would have done everything he could to make sure that they stay happy and NOT cause a rebellion again. It makes his job harder if he has to deal with fighting in Area 11.

[morbosfist]

You're forgetting time spans. It wouldn't fall apart immediately. A month at the least, maybe a year, and during that time the Black Knights will have fallen apart. No one would support them, their finances would dry up, and they'd be in no position to mount any resistance once Britannia decided to repeal it.

[Orga777]

You're forgetting time spans. It wouldn't fall apart immediately. A month at the least, maybe a year, and during that time the Black Knights will have fallen apart. No one would support them, their finances would dry up, and they'd be in no position to mount any resistance once Britannia decided to repeal it.

That is not true. First off, the Black Knights would keep all assets on hold just in case the SAZ doesn't work out, and if the SAZ does fall, the Kyoto Group would still have plenty of money to refinance everybody. Then when it falls support for them would GROW again. Making the whole point you are trying to make moot and ruins the whole point of having peace in the area which is what Schneizel was hoping for in the beginning just to make his job easier.

[morbosfist]

Keeping assets on hold only does so much. People need food, water, basic supplies. These things cost money. No one would support them during that time. They'd be scattered eventually.

Schneizel would know better than to think something like the SAZ could last. It would never last. It's just a puppet state that the Britannians would dissolve as soon as it suited them. Schneizel would know that. The only reason he let it through was to break the Black Knights, and it would have worked. he is not so foolish as to believe such a thing would bring everlasting peace.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Keeping assets on hold only does so much. People need food, water, basic supplies. These things cost money. No one would support them during that time. They'd be scattered eventually.

Schneizel would know better than to think something like the SAZ could last. It would never last. It's just a puppet state that the Britannians would dissolve as soon as it suited them. Schneizel would know that. The only reason he let it through was to break the Black Knights, and it would have worked. he is not so foolish as to believe such a thing would bring everlasting peace.

Perhaps to end this argument we should stop bringing in real life opinions in on this.

The writers for all intents and purpose can simply bring out that Lost Colors ending with the SAZ working well and people would STILL argue against it. If the writers want it they'll make it happen.

The reason why the SAZ works is because they've already set it up to be completely destroyed by Lelouch.

Otherwise they wouldn't have gone for that plot. You could skip time frame and show the whole thing falling apart with Lelouch scheming in the back. Or even just go into hiding and wait until it falls apart and then the masses would flock back to him, angrier than ever. (Anime people tend to be forgetful)...

Doesn't matter how you argue against it, the SAZ would've worked and stayed, both Schenzeil and Lelouch well knew that.

[Orga777]

Keeping assets on hold only does so much. People need food, water, basic supplies. These things cost money. No one would support them during that time. They'd be scattered eventually.

What are you talking about? I am talking about the money they use for the organization for weapons, supplies, KMF's, etc. Not the stuff for basic needs.

Schneizel would know better than to think something like the SAZ could last. It would never last. It's just a puppet state that the Britannians would dissolve as soon as it suited them. Schneizel would know that. The only reason he let it through was to break the Black Knights, and it would have worked. he is not so foolish as to believe such a thing would bring everlasting peace.

If they dissolve it, support for a rebellion would rise even MORE though. They can't risk that happening if they don't want to deal with more battles over and over again. If they let it fail, all hope for not fighting the Japanese would cease entirely.

[orangejuicetang]

If the authors of the series say that the SAZ would have worked, than it works. Real life examples are great, but in the end, director word is final. Since in real life it is impossible to have giant robot mechs due to it would have to end being too heavy to move.

[morbosfist]

The games are hardly the same as the series.

What are you talking about? I am talking about the money they use for the organization for weapons, supplies, KMF's, etc. Not the stuff for basic needs.They couldn't just hide indefinitely. They'd either go stir crazy or run out of money and disband.

If they dissolve it, support for a rebellion would rise even MORE though. They can't risk that happening if they don't want to deal with more battles over and over again. If they let it fail, all hope for not fighting the Japanese would cease entirely.Good PR is all it would take. Maybe all within become Honorary Britannians no questions asked. There are any number of ways to minimize the damage. It would never be permanent, though. Schneizel says it himself when accepting the plan: the terrorists will lose all popular support and collapse. Even if it is not permanent, the terrorists would have to rebuild from scratch.

[Sotobrastos]

Perhaps to end this argument we should stop bringing in real life opinions in on this.

The writers for all intents and purpose can simply bring out that Lost Colors ending with the SAZ working well and people would STILL argue against it. If the writers want it they'll make it happen.

The reason why the SAZ works is because they've already set it up to be completely destroyed by Lelouch.

Otherwise they wouldn't have gone for that plot. You could skip time frame and show the whole thing falling apart with Lelouch scheming in the back. Or even just go into hiding and wait until it falls apart and then the masses would flock back to him, angrier than ever. (Anime people tend to be forgetful)...

Doesn't matter how you argue against it, the SAZ would've worked and stayed, both Schenzeil and Lelouch well knew that.

That's a pretty terrible argument. Saying that in the end, all the logic and history behind someone's argument is void because it's all up to the writers... if we don't apply real-life experience and knowledge when talking about CG, what the hell are we going to use? Just because the show has robots, immortals, and maid-ninjas doesn't mean that all logic is thrown out the window.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

If the authors of the series say that the SAZ would have worked, than it works. Real life examples are great, but in the end, director word is final. Since in real life it is impossible to have giant robot mechs due to it would have to end being too heavy to move.

Keep in mind that SAZ was only going to work because Zero was getting involved; without him to push along, the SAZ can't survive. Zero has the means to prevent the SAZ from being disbanded later.

The director made it clear from the very beginning that if Suzaku and Lulu worked together, they can work miracles; SAZ would have been that miracle. That's why they had to put that "accident" in.

The SAZ wasn't suppose to work at all; just as the Black Knights weren't suppose to work. But Zero can make things happen.

[Orga777]

Keep in mind that SAZ was only going to work because Zero was getting involved; without him to push along, the SAZ can't survive. Zero has the means to prevent the SAZ from being disbanded later.

This makes no sense at all either. Everyone just got done saying "Lelouch said it wouldn't work." And now you are saying that it would only work because Lelouch got invovled? I think that is just mindless Lelouch following more than a real argument. Again, Lelouch isn't the epitome of correct. Things can work without his assistance.

The director made it clear from the very beginning that if Suzaku and Lulu worked together, they can work miracles; SAZ would have been that miracle. That's why they had to put that "accident" in.


We all know that if Suzaku and lelouch worked together they could do anything. So what?

Good PR is all it would take. Maybe all within become Honorary Britannians no questions asked. There are any number of ways to minimize the damage. It would never be permanent, though. Schneizel says it himself when accepting the plan: the terrorists will lose all popular support and collapse. Even if it is not permanent, the terrorists would have to rebuild from scratch.

Lelouch wouldn't need to really rebuild from scratch. They can still have all their current weapons hidden from Britannia just in case. It wouldn't take him long to rebound from it either. Also, if they all became honorary Britannian's than that means... it WORKED! XD They pretty much gained a start at equal rights, which means the ball for change started to roll. You hurt your own argument.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

This makes no sense at all either. Everyone just got done saying "Lelouch said it wouldn't work." And now you are saying that it would only work because Lelouch got invovled? I think that is just mindless Lelouch following more than a real argument. Again, Lelouch isn't the epitome of correct.



We all know that if Suzaku and lelouch worked together they could do anything. So what?

No, the director mentioned that had Lulu helped, the SAZ could work. That was the only way it could have worked out for everyone.

Lulu doesn't actually want to help, since it requires him to abandon all his current plans. But Euphie forced his hand, as he couldn't bring himself to hurt her.

I never said Lulu is the epitome of correct. But then, I never took everything Lulu said at face value either. The fact of the matter is the SAZ can't work without the combined abilities of Lulu's brain and Suzaku's hax.

Lulu decided that he can't fight Euphie, but doesn't want to see her SAZ collapse either. That's why he wanted to take the second option of holding the special zone up the way it is intended, against the forces that would want to tear it down. Neither Euphie or Suzaku had any means of preventing SAZ's destruction, but Lulu could.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

That's a pretty terrible argument. Saying that in the end, all the logic and history behind someone's argument is void because it's all up to the writers... if we don't apply real-life experience and knowledge when talking about CG, what the hell are we going to use? Just because the show has robots, immortals, and maid-ninjas doesn't mean that all logic is thrown out the window.

No it's not. And I didn't say all logic is to be thrown out the window.

What's the point of going in circles and such when you'll never get a definite answer?

It's like in Gundam 00 when that IRA group ceased its activities due to CB which quite a few people ridiculoued as it'd be near impossible in real life for something like that to actually happen but it did in the show.

There are just some things that can be debated and some that just wouldn't get anywhere.

As I pointed out, these things are made so the writers can use them to move the plot forward.


The director made it clear from the very beginning that if Suzaku and Lulu worked together, they can work miracles; SAZ would have been that miracle. That's why they had to put that "accident" in.
.

I wonder...will it take a miracle to defeat the now immortal Emperor?:heh:

[Orga777]

No, the director mentioned that had Lulu helped, the SAZ could work. That was the only way it could have worked out for everyone.

The only reason that is true is because if Zero fought against it, it would never have worked. That is the only reason. If he joined it and then decided to completely vanish as Zero, then it still would not have fallen like people claim. Which is what I am trying to make.

I never said Lulu is the epitome of correct. But then, I never took everything Lulu said at face value either. The fact of the matter is the SAZ can't work without the combined abilities of Lulu's brain and Suzaku's hax.


I think this is both true and not true. It is true that they needed Zero to cooperate with the SAZ, but that doesn't mean he needed to be there forever for it to stay up.

[morbosfist]

Also, if they all became honorary Britannian's than that means... it WORKED! XD They pretty much gained a start at equal rights, which means the ball for change started to roll. You hurt your own argument.Honorary Britannians have less rights than the SAZ grants. It's a step back. However, by doing it no questions ask, they throw a positive spin on it.

[Orga777]

Honorary Britannians have less rights than the SAZ grants. It's a step back. However, by doing it no questions ask, they throw a positive spin on it.

Ah, but they can then get more rights outside of the SAZ though. Which is more than they would have outside the SAZ. It also means that they are slowly being integrated into the Britannian system. So you never know. Again, the SAZ is only a start. If they end up getting nothing out of it and it collapses the rebellions would start up again.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

The only reason that is true is because if Zero fought against it, it would never have worked. That is the only reason. If he joined it and then decided to completely vanish as Zero, then it still would not have fallen like people claim. Which is what I am trying to make.

If Zero vanished, then the Rebellion is finished and SAZ is no longer needed. Without Lulu's help, Britannian government officials in the mainland would have the SAZ dismantled. And Euphie would have no way of stopping it.

What makes SAZ fail isn't what it stood for; it's that no one important in Britannia want it to last any longer than it takes to get rid of the Black Knights.

Ah, but they can then get more rights outside of the SAZ though. Which is more than they would have outside the SAZ. It also means that they are slowly being integrated into the Britannian system. So you never know. Again, the SAZ is only a start. If they end up getting nothing out of it and it collapses the rebellions would start up again.
As long as Zero is still out in the open, Rollo can be sent in to kill him off. The SAZ forces Zero to make public appearances, making him an easier target. Once the BK are disamed and Zero "gotten rid of", SAZ will go as well.

Brittannia don't really mind rebellions; they just don't want anything as organized as what Zero is cooking up.

[morbosfist]

Almost anyone can become an Honorary Britannian without the SAZ. Nationalist pride just gets in the way.

Rebellions cropping up is a common problem in the Empire, I would imagine. Doesn't stop their brutal policies. Zero is the only real credible threat they've ever faced, hence the use of the SAZ to knock the support out from under him.

[prototype_sky]

Wow the writers seem to be trying to make Suzaku a likable character now on both sides. Either way it is inevitable that suzaku and zero would have to work together again by the end of the series. There is no way we can have a decent showdown with these two face to face. We're most likely on course for a royal rumble between the two bros and their father

There was way to much indecision by Suzaku this season making him less of an antagonist each episode.

Since suzaku apologied and took his beating like a man.
I hope the writers will be fair and let cornellia beat up lulu for what happened to euphie :)

[Ronin Aquila]

Suzaku a man? :D

He's not even a human being!! :p

[Airi]

Since suzaku apologied and took his beating like a man. :)

Right :D
That's nice he apologized. He realized his mistake...and he let her hit him again and again :upset:.. Poor Suzaku :(

[animeboy12]

Wow the writers seem to be trying to make Suzaku a likable character now on both sides. Either way it is inevitable that suzaku and zero would have to work together again by the end of the series. There is no way we can have a decent showdown with these two face to face. We're most likely on course for a royal rumble between the two bros and their father

There was way to much indecision by Suzaku this season making him less of an antagonist each episode.

Since suzaku apologied and took his beating like a man.
I hope the writers will be fair and let cornellia beat up lulu for what happened to euphie :)

ugh... My second favorite character taking a beating from my least favorite character is more than I can bear, but I totally agree with you it certainly does make Suzaku more likeable. I just wish he did something and why wasn't the "live" geass activated. Anyway the whole scene remind me of that episode when Anya asked him if he was masochistic.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well, if Suzaku aplogized in this episode, I'll as a non-Suzaku-fan, give him thumbs up for that :)

[Mr.Mo]

With this episode, I believe that Suzaku is starting to regain his old self. :)

[incorrupts]

Right :D
That's nice he apologized. He realized his mistake...and he let her hit him again and again :upset:.. Poor Suzaku :(
Typical Suzu. And i love him for that. <3

[plus it lead to a weird turn-on hitting scene XDD}

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

With this episode, I believe that Suzaku is starting to regain his old self. :)

Well, we can always hope... Though it 'll also depend on how the meeting in the next episode turns out...

[hanseo]

why did suzaku let her beat him up? suzaku should have spin kick her in the face

[Dream_Traveller]

Well, guess what? He didn't. Vermin deserved the beating he got.

[hanseo]

Well, guess what? He didn't. Vermin deserved the beating he got.

well too bad he was let her do that and he wasn't fighting back. if he was fighting back we all know who would win

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

why did suzaku let her beat him up? suzaku should have spin kick her in the face

Well, in all fairness, Suzaku realized that he was the one at fault here, which is why he aplogized and didn't stop her from hitting him or even defended himself, which he with his supernatural reflexes should have been able to. He was, ina very real manner of speaking, accepting the consequences of his actions.

[Majek]

Well apparently she expected to be punished for what she did to him but he said no, because he was wrong. So much for who's the winner of situation :D

[Airi]

why did suzaku let her beat him up? suzaku should have spin kick her in the face

He allowed her to hit him because he wanted to be punished for what he "did"
As skyless says, this is the typical Suzaku :love:

Well, in all fairness, Suzaku realized that he was the one at fault here, which is why he aplogized and didn't stop her from hitting him or even defended himself, which he with his supernatural reflexes should have been able to.

I don't think he needs his supernatural reflexes to fight Kallen :p

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I don't think he needs his supernatural reflexes to fight Kallen :p

Didn't say so either :p . I was just poiting out that he could easily have used those if he wanted to defend himself or the like...

[NoLongerSane]

I just finished seeing the part where Kallen went to town on Suzaku. I thought is considerate of him to allow himself to be beaten by her, since what he was about to do her justified her reaction. Did anyone noticed how when Kallen was sitting on the chair mad a him, her eyes widen for a moment when Suzaku admitted he was in the wrong before going back to being angry. I think she now has some sort of emotional leverage on him and may manipulate him if she wanted to in future episodes.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Dunno about that, I'd rather say that she was just sort of surpised that he'd acknowledge that. Suzaku is otherwise rather too stubborn and prideful (a trait both he and Lelouch shares) to acknowledge that he might be the one who is wrong, so...

[Bad wolf]

I'm so glad Suzaku finally got the crap beat outta him :D

[NoLongerSane]

Dunno about that, I'd rather say that she was just sort of surpised that he'd acknowledge that. Suzaku is otherwise rather too stubborn and prideful (a trait both he and Lelouch shares) to acknowledge that he might be the one who is wrong, so...

Come to think of it, is that not the first time he ever adimited to someone that he was in was in the wrong. The real thing that suprises me is that the writers have had Kallen be the one person that has had personal information revealed to her by Suzaku, and now she just witnessed him swallowing his pride and admiting to be wrong only after allowing himself to be beaten by her.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Come to think of it, is that not the first time he ever adimited to someone that he was in was in the wrong. The real thing that suprises me is that the writers have had Kallen be the one person that has had personal information revealed to her by Suzaku, and now she just witnessed him swallowing his pride and admiting to be wrong only after allowing himself to be beaten by her.

Hmm, well, maybe - though it is in a sense not too surpising that Kallen became the one he swallowed his pride with here - because she was the one his "wrong" action was directed at (refrain & punch) here. Also, it has always seemed to me that it is sort of rare that he gets the chance to actually re-confront a person he may have wronged - but here he got that chance... so it isn't that much of a surpise to me - I found the fact that she was the first one outside of Lelocuh that he choose to reveal his father's murder to more surpising to tell you the truth :heh: .

[bran]

that's because he was looking at her boobs that night

[NoLongerSane]

that's because he was looking at her boobs that night

Didn't Suzaku get to see the whole package earlier at the waterfall before he captured her.

[lousylaus]

So if that's the beating deserved for almost going through with refrain, what's the beating Kallen should get for trying to kill him, twice!

Would've liked to see Suzaku beating the **** out of that lame Ko10 tho, too bad.

[morbosfist]

Assassination is a far cry from trying to drug a relatively helpless prisoner, and Diethard put her up to it the second time.

[Silaqui]

So if that's the beating deserved for almost going through with refrain, what's the beating Kallen should get for trying to kill him, twice!

How dare you compare Kallen with Suzaku?! :D
Don't think the majority of the CG-fans can apply the same standard to their favourite character. They do the same thing for what they hate Suzaku so much. They're being hypocritical.

[Sports72Xtrm]

"Something that Lelouche doesn’t do the entire series, which, is the biggest differences between him and Suzaku to me. Suzaku admits his evil, and tries to fix it. Lelouche blames everyone else for thier evil, and completely ignores[[acknowledges it, but justify it, to be more correct]] his own.

Eurphy’s death is just one case of this."

"[b]As far as Kallen beating up Suzaku goes, I know he apologized and all but let’s just face it, in this case, a simple apology isn’t going to cut it.[b]

That’s funny, she almost have more to apologize to Suzaku for than he does to her. How many people were killed by her actions and support of Lelouche? She tried to kill Suzaku at one point, because he was doing so well in the military. Though Suzaku didn’t know it, she was going to stab him to death. Refrain [attempt] vs. Murder [attempt] geesh, which one is worst.

[b]Not just what he did to Kallen, but he betrayed all his best friends and let their memories get altered, and he’s basically (in a sense) holding Nunnally hostage for the Emperor and lying to her the whole time.[b]

The same could be said of Kallen. After finding out about lelouche, how many people did she allow him to Geass? Lelouche afterall, alter the will of his closest friends as well, and as for Nunnelly being held as hostage …you have to wonder against who? Him or is it, Lelouche, because Suzaku just wants to keep her safe as well.

[b]Kallen was friends with all these people too, so of course she would be upset. Kallen can be a very kind person, but let’s just face it, feelings of resentment have a tendency to come to the surface faster than forgiveness; that’s just human nature. Maybe now that she’s got it out of her system, she’ll be a little more willing to let things go…but maybe not.[b]

Kind, you can call her kind if you like, but I deem her more of the blind follower type. She doesn’t think more than she has to about any giving situation, check out her issue with her mother, and Lelouche’s perferences for that group in the beginning. Her treatement to her mother is just as cold as her fathers, and it’s only until she finds out why her mother does refrain tha ther attitude changes. [[If she followed Suzaka’s doctrine, she would have been kind to her mother despite her father. She would have worked to get her father to change his opinion of her mother. Instead she blamed her father, and blamed her mother.]] She doesn’t come off as a kind character to me, but more of a spoiled one.

She had a lot in common with Lelouche in that category.

IF she forgives Suzaku or not, it won’t change thier paths, because Suzaku has given her blood for intention …not results. I believe he let her beat him up …more for himself than for her."
-quoted from silverveil from Randomcuriosity since he expresses all my views on the Kallen situation

[Var]

Dunno about that, I'd rather say that she was just sort of surpised that he'd acknowledge that. Suzaku is otherwise rather too stubborn and prideful (a trait both he and Lelouch shares) to acknowledge that he might be the one who is wrong, so...

She was ready to be killed for her actions, I'd be surprised to if the person who just tried to drug me went and did a full 180. The speech is disjointed as she gets surprised by his actions but infuriated by them at the same time, to her, Suzaku has no backbone. He sold out his people, and now he doesn't even know what the hell he's doing (from her PoV).

She hates the kind of person he is, and by extension, him as well. After this episode, they will, at best, be able to form an awkward/uncomfortable friendship. At worst, she'll hate him for the rest of her life.

@Sports: I agree that he did allow himself to be beat up more for himself than her. He's too absorbed on 'not being like zero'.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

She was ready to be killed for her actions, I'd be surprised to if the person who just tried to drug me went and did a full 180. The speech is disjointed as she gets surprised by his actions but infuriated by them at the same time, to her, Suzaku has no backbone. He sold out his people, and now he doesn't even know what the hell he's doing (from her PoV).


The sad part is that even he doesn't know what the hell he's doing either. :heh:

And unfortunately Nina is continuing to abuse him by remarking about Euphie this, Euphie that, ARGH just kill the darn girl already!

[morbosfist]

The only way Nina is going to die is by killing herself with her own bomb or along with Schneizel when the Avalon gets wasted, because she sure isn't going to stick her neck out for someone to kill her otherwise.

[UFO888]

I dream of a day when someone ties that nina up in a room and start the player to repeat the pharse "Euphime doesnt want this, you sucker!" in japanese voice. I wonder how long can she stand it. :frustrated:

[FlareKnight]

Nice comparison with him getting beaten by Kallen and then catching flying weapons :heh:. Though he did go there to get attacked and in his mind pay for what he nearly did. Doubt going there had anything to do with the mindset of not being like Zero. More along lines of paying for your incorrect actions. At any rate appreciate the act of going in there to apologize and letting Kallen do what she felt was necessary. Definitely not going to order her execution considering how he walked into it.

Definitely would have liked to see Suzaku's face and hear some thoughts when the Emperor showed up. The return of him means that Nunnally's situation is far from secure. Doesn't know that the Emperor already knows about Lelouch so from his view long as he says nothing it should be alright. But with Lelouch contacting him it doesn't matter since he'll likely tell Suzaku that the Emperor already knows.

Certainly setting up reasons for Suzaku to not want to stick with the Emperor. The situation with Nunnally is big, but also now with Anya. Making it seem to Suzaku that the Emperor had been messing around with her memory for some reason. Gino and Anya are probably the people he cares about most in the Rounds. With Bradley likely to be the example of the worst.

Geeze Nina is really doing a good job of making me want her to get obliterated. Sadly they will likely keep her alive for a while just to keep people riled up.

[Discerptor]

My sympathy for Nina and wanting her to survive ended with this episode. She's scum that dares try to use Euphy's name to get Suzaku to drop a NUCLEAR BOMB on the very people Euphy wanted to PROTECT. I hope she dies most gruesomely now, since it's clear she's never going to see what an idiot she's being. As for Suzaku... I hope him going in and letting Kallen "punish" him for what he DIDN'T do finally convinces people he sees it was the wrong thing to do and acknowledges he was being foolish. More importantly... FINALLY! Next episode, we at last get the meeting between Lelouch and Suzaku that SHOULD have happened AGES ago. Things will shift big time next episode. I'm just worried that the Knight of Ten is somehow going to appear to mess up the situation >.>

[Var]

The sad part is that even he doesn't know what the hell he's doing either. :heh:

And unfortunately Nina is continuing to abuse him by remarking about Euphie this, Euphie that, ARGH just kill the darn girl already!

And once Nina and her Freya go kaboom somewhere, the Japanese may never even be able to look at Suzaku, let alone Kallen.

[demon_god04]

The sad part is that even he doesn't know what the hell he's doing either. :heh:

And unfortunately Nina is continuing to abuse him by remarking about Euphie this, Euphie that, ARGH just kill the darn girl already!

That just goes to show how little Nina knows about Euphie and that her obsession does not go beyond the image of Euphemia the princess. Using Euphie's name to get Suzaku to use a weapon of mass destruction just clearly shows how little Nina knows about Euphie as Euphie would never want something like that. Surprising that Suzaku did not try to correct her misconception of Euphie and it was Loyd that remarked on it.

[morbosfist]

And once Nina and her Freya go kaboom somewhere, the Japanese may never even be able to look at Suzaku, let alone Kallen.Why not Kallen, unless you're assuming the blast catches her.

[Var]

Why not Kallen, unless you're assuming the blast catches her.

Poorly worded, I meant even more so for Kallen. Especially... with her mother being there. Oy.

[morbosfist]

Ah, I hadn't even considered that. Now I have to reaffirm my belief that she's going to kill him, because if she learns that her mother is among the dead, there won't be anywhere on Earth or beyond that she and her new Guren won't find him.

[Traece]

Nina at this point purely exists to be an item of pure viewer hatred. You can tell because every line she spews is something that points to, "THIS CHARACTER DIES! You hate her, don't you? Yeaaah... You want to stab her! Oh yeah... We know you do... But we're going to keep pissing you off because we made this show and we like screwing with you." Once again, another tactic that the writers are using to piss us off.

As far as Suzaku goes, even though I was quite annoyed with Suzaku's stupidity and wrong mindset, he's starting to become very likeable. At this point I see a friendship card being played. Obviously, Suzaku has a choice to make whether he sides with Lelouch or goes against him. He kept saying that Lelouch's methods were wrong and wouldn't get him anywhere, but at this point in time Lelouch has almost single-handedly cut the world in two and created a war for total supremacy. On one hand, you have a united federation of nations (ugh, such a stupid name Lelouch, SHAME ON YOU!), and on the other hand you have a single Empire which exacts complete control. So if Lelouch wins, Britannia crumbles to nothingness and the world lives happily and free, not under Britannia's design. I wouldn't be surprised if Suzaku came to realize that in the end, Britannia is a converting empire, and Lelouch is fighting for the independance of all peoples (basically).

[FlareKnight]

Ah, I hadn't even considered that. Now I have to reaffirm my belief that she's going to kill him, because if she learns that her mother is among the dead, there won't be anywhere on Earth or beyond that she and her new Guren won't find him.Well don't see Kallen as the one that finishes Suzaku off if he ends up dying at all. Though would be an interesing switch from the enraged Suzaku who fought her at the end of season 1 to an enraged Kallen gunning for Suzaku in season 2. Still I do wonder about what is going to happen in the next few episodes.

Since it also comes down to the promise he made to protect the Japanese who stayed in Area 11. Firing such a weapon would be completely against that and what Suzaku believes in. Wonder if Nina will somehow hack the Lancelot controls to make it fire since otherwise I can't see him using such a weapon.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Since it also comes down to the promise he made to protect the Japanese who stayed in Area 11. Firing such a weapon would be completely against that and what Suzaku believes in. Wonder if Nina will somehow hack the Lancelot controls to make it fire since otherwise I can't see him using such a weapon.

Well, Lelouch geassing Euphie and turning her into the Massacre Princess was "just" an accident/mistake to begin with, it could be the same for Suzaku using the Freya... :uhoh:

[orangejuicetang]

Interesting that Lloyd wanted Suzuku to pilot the Guren. I can only imagine the amount of hate that would have been generated if something like that actually happened. Apart from that, next week is the cruical point in which Lelouch and Suzuku finally talk face to face. What a cliffhanger. I can't wait to see the battle for Tokyo and Japan. I also can't see either Kallen or Suzuku dieing in battle. If either of them dies, it will probably be from a self-sacrifice.

[Var]

Well, Lelouch geassing Euphie and turning her into the Massacre Princess was "just" an accident/mistake to begin with, it could be the same for Suzaku using the Freya... :uhoh:

I don't see how, this episode showed that he understood what the bomb did. He'd have to be an idiot to use it and think it wouldn't kill a lot of people. That's why Lloyd said what he said, that what Nina was doing would kill both her and Suzaku.

[Traece]

Since it also comes down to the promise he made to protect the Japanese who stayed in Area 11. Firing such a weapon would be completely against that and what Suzaku believes in. Wonder if Nina will somehow hack the Lancelot controls to make it fire since otherwise I can't see him using such a weapon.

I don't see the hack happening, but from what I can guess...

This is a Make Decision point in the Code Geass story. The most important people in the series have to make some huge decisions. Right now Suzaku is on the center stage. Suzaku has to decide between himself and his personal ties, and Britannia. Nina is just acting as a catalyst for the decision. Now he has no choice but to decide. Does he fire the extremely powerful superweapon, or does he deny his order to do so?

Obviously, Suzaku isn't actually going to fire such a horrible weapon.. But then he isn't going to have a choice, and that's the big issue. When the weapon fires, Suzaku will be sure to realize what a huge mistake he made, and defect.

[orangejuicetang]

I can see where this is going. C.C.'s speech this episode to Lelouch about "frineds" combined with Shirley's talk to Suzuku about "forgiveness" could foreshadow something.

[FlareKnight]

I don't see the hack happening, but from what I can guess...

This is a Make Decision point in the Code Geass story. The most important people in the series have to make some huge decisions. Right now Suzaku is on the center stage. Suzaku has to decide between himself and his personal ties, and Britannia. Nina is just acting as a catalyst for the decision. Now he has no choice but to decide. Does he fire the extremely powerful superweapon, or does he deny his order to do so?

Obviously, Suzaku isn't actually going to fire such a horrible weapon.. But then he isn't going to have a choice, and that's the big issue. When the weapon fires, Suzaku will be sure to realize what a huge mistake he made, and defect.Well I admit a hack is pretty out there, but best I could think of in under 30 seconds :).

I guess this is something that has to be handled by major players. One time he was ordered to die, Lelouch got him out of it with a geass. When it came to Todou's execution again the choice was taken from him since he was rescued. In season 2 he's been able to avoid getting an order to do something like that. Now he'll likely have to make a major call of whether to follow through or go against orders to fire such a thing. Avoided having a massacre occur during that million zero moment and here even more lives are on the line.

I can't imagine such a weapon being built and not being fired. But then its hard to see him fire it either. Being forced to fire such a thing and everything else would certainly be a reason to defect from Britannia. But then joining a group that is centred around Japanese would be hard to see either. Not like Lancelot no matter how upgraded can be a force by itself. Will be interesting to see how it all turns out I guess.

[Var]

I can see where this is going. C.C.'s speech this episode to Lelouch about "frineds" combined with Shirley's talk to Suzuku about "forgiveness" could foreshadow something.

If Suzaku bombs Japan, he'll want to kill himself but be unable to. Eg, he'll be in a living hell.

[morbosfist]

Orange-kun can fix that. Then Suzaku can immolate himself against the Knight of One if he hasn't been killed by then.

Off-topic: god they love the name Orange-kun. His communication comes in under the title Orange, Guilford calls him Orange, etc. He must have finally settled into the role.

[Rising Dragon]

He is now the soldier of Marianne's child, he might have taken it as a title of honor, rather than something that destroyed his career.

[orangejuicetang]

If Suzaku bombs Japan, he'll want to kill himself but be unable to. Eg, he'll be in a living hell.

How does that have anything to do with my quote??? :confused:

[Traece]

You know Suzaku is still under Lelouch's order to stay alive. Piloting a Lancelot with the most powerful superweapon ever created in Code Geass's universe... I can imagine that being a very bad combination. I think pretty much every single one of you can agree that Suzaku firing because of the Geass ordering him to, is the best explanation for it all.

There has been speculation in the past that Suzaku doesn't kill when ordered to live, but that's just wild speculation. Most likely, it just happens that way.

[orangejuicetang]

I wonder if the bomb uses Sakurdite anywhere. If it does, than Lelouch can just use his disturber train to stop it.

[Var]

How does that have anything to do with my quote??? :confused:

I meant more that friendship, at such a point, likely wouldn't matter in the way his friends and Shirley spoke of it. It isn't a point of decision, it is a point of wanting to be dead.

[Rising Dragon]

I wonder if the bomb uses Sakurdite anywhere. If it does, than Lelouch can just use his disturber train to stop it.

I asked this question earlier, the general consensus is iffy on it.

[morbosfist]

I wonder if the bomb uses Sakurdite anywhere. If it does, than Lelouch can just use his disturber train to stop it.Yes, it uses sakuradite, but that doesn't mean anything. The Lancelot demonstrates that the Gefjun Disturber can be blocked, and even if Nina's bomb doesn't have the proper countermeasures, the sakuradite may not necessarily fuel the detonation mechanism, in which case the explosion would be reduced, not eliminated.

[bladeofdarkness]

while i said last ep that i wont give suzaku any credit for deceiding not to use refrain on kallen since its not a good actions on his part so much as an unwillingness to go on with preforming an evil action
this ep i will give him some credit for standing there and taking his beating like a man
him not fighting back goes to show that he knows just how badly he fucked up and that he excepts that he had to pay for it
for that i will give him credit

[ApostleOfGod]

I've said before, but Suzaku is still indecisive. About the decision he made years ago. Changing from within. I'm glad things turned out the way they did. Suzaku completes Lelouch like how Batman completes Joker. Well, not exactly, but I'm trying to say that Suzaku makes Lelouch who he is. No Suzaku = No Lelouch or Zero. Thus, giving him credit is not only reasonable, but proper.

Also, yes he took the beatings from Kallen like a man. Even more, he apologized. A Knight of Round apologized to a Eleven terrorist, regardless of how you look at their friendship in the past.

Suzaku is a great character.

[orangejuicetang]

I meant more that friendship, at such a point, likely wouldn't matter in the way his friends and Shirley spoke of it. It isn't a point of decision, it is a point of wanting to be dead.

True, but the friendship thing was for Lelouch. Shirley's message to Suzuku was forgiveness, which could be both for Suzuku forgiving Lelouch for his actions as Zero as well as Suzuku forgiving himself for his own actions eight years ago.

[FlareKnight]

I've said before, but Suzaku is still indecisive. About the decision he made years ago. Changing from within. I'm glad things turned out the way they did. Suzaku completes Lelouch like how Batman completes Joker. Well, not exactly, but I'm trying to say that Suzaku makes Lelouch who he is. No Suzaku = No Lelouch or Zero. Thus, giving him credit is not only reasonable, but proper.

Also, yes he took the beatings from Kallen like a man. Even more, he apologized. A Knight of Round apologized to a Eleven terrorist, regardless of how you look at their friendship in the past.

Suzaku is a great character.He certainly took it. At that point the only thing he really could do was apologise and take what she dished out. Pretty much impossible to make amends for doing something like that so that was about all he could do. Though I'm glad he at least did that rather than not doing it. You know Suzaku is still under Lelouch's order to stay alive. Piloting a Lancelot with the most powerful superweapon ever created in Code Geass's universe... I can imagine that being a very bad combination. I think pretty much every single one of you can agree that Suzaku firing because of the Geass ordering him to, is the best explanation for it all.

There has been speculation in the past that Suzaku doesn't kill when ordered to live, but that's just wild speculation. Most likely, it just happens that way.Yeah the live geass is probably the only way for him to do something like that when not wanting to. Way I look at it is the live geass pretty much tells his body to do something to stay alive and it works through his subconscious to get the action. With that assassin coming for him he took an action that didn't kill him, because he didn't want to. But that doesn't mean he can't take actions that will kill if the geass activates. If there is no way to survive without firing that weapon then the geass will probably make him fire it.

But then couldn't see him working anywhere near Lelouch. Since Lelouch's geass making him do something horrific would turn him into a Euphy. Which could get us back into a renewed anti-Zero stance.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

I don't see how, this episode showed that he understood what the bomb did. He'd have to be an idiot to use it and think it wouldn't kill a lot of people. That's why Lloyd said what he said, that what Nina was doing would kill both her and Suzaku.

It could go like this.

The bomb is attached to Lancelot but Suzaku doesn't bother to use it.

During the battle, Nina continually demands that Suzaku deploys the bomb but he refuses.

HOWEVER she has remote access to the bomb and since Suzaku is in the heat of the battle she detonates it, Suzaku's live GEASS kicks in which forces him to deploy the bomb in the middle of the battlefield, resulting in massive casualities on both sides. Horrifying Suzaku.

Though with this bomb, in Gundam Stardust the GPO2 if I recall was a nuclear attack unit but was equipped with massive shields and such to protect it from the nuclear blast it was designed to set off. To me, unless the Lancelot was modified to carry the bomb (Which it's most defintely not since Lloyd never intended to use it) it'd be caught in the blast as well.

[True Warrior]

From what it seems the Lancelot Albion has already been completed along with the new Guren as Lloyd pointed in this episode you can also see that the flight pack is not present on the Lancelot in the background.

[JMvS]

Orange-kun can fix that. Then Suzaku can immolate himself against the Knight of One if he hasn't been killed by then.

Off-topic: god they love the name Orange-kun. His communication comes in under the title Orange, Guilford calls him Orange, etc. He must have finally settled into the role.

About Jeremiah, I think it's more like Kyon: his nickname stick to him so much that his real name was lost into oblivion for most people (notice that he is refering to himself as Jeremiah Gottwald, and V.V. also used to, and Lelouch is also refering to him as Jeremiah now).

[FlareKnight]

From what it seems the Lancelot Albion has already been completed along with the new Guren as Lloyd pointed in this episode you can also see that the flight pack is not present on the Lancelot in the background.Yeah seems like the Lloyd and Lakshata team up in terms of making the new units isn't happening. I guess after all she has done a big moment of creating new units he could get one up on her by upgrading the Guren and Lancelot to that extent. Though they did decide to hide it partially probably to create some doubts.

Has been a while, but does the Conquista have the floater constantly attached or only right before take off?

Anyways would have been kind of funny if Suzaku had gone onto the battlefield in an upgraded Guren :heh:. Though I think Kallen is angry enough to taking her unit like that might be going too far.

[Traece]

But then couldn't see him working anywhere near Lelouch. Since Lelouch's geass making him do something horrific would turn him into a Euphy. Which could get us back into a renewed anti-Zero stance.

Well the thing is that Britannia is starting to show bad colors to Suzaku. Now they're adding mass-murder to Suzaku's list of orders and he isn't going to like that.

Most likely, Suzaku will be presented with a very life-threatening situation, which will activate the Geass. The Geass isn't responsible for the actions of the people threatening his life, and as such, his death will be avoided because the enemy will be surprised and dodge the launching of the bomb. HOWEVER, obviously the bomb being dodged means it'll land SOMEWHERE and cause mass destruction. Suzaku will have completed what he was expected to do, and he CAN blame Lelouch... But why blame Lelouch when he can blame Britannia for making such a demand and giving him such an ability?

[FlareKnight]

Well the thing is that Britannia is starting to show bad colors to Suzaku. Now they're adding mass-murder to Suzaku's list of orders and he isn't going to like that.

Most likely, Suzaku will be presented with a very life-threatening situation, which will activate the Geass. The Geass isn't responsible for the actions of the people threatening his life, and as such, his death will be avoided because the enemy will be surprised and dodge the launching of the bomb. HOWEVER, obviously the bomb being dodged means it'll land SOMEWHERE and cause mass destruction. Suzaku will have completed what he was expected to do, and he CAN blame Lelouch... But why blame Lelouch when he can blame Britannia for making such a demand and giving him such an ability?Does help those wanting him to defect with Britannia not leaving a very nice impression. What the Emperor would do to Nunnally, Anya's memories, actually making and forcing him to use such a monstrous weapon would be some good examples. If they cause the destruction of Japan and its people that would certainly be the straw that breaks the camal's back. He's done everything to reach the point where he could take over Area 11 and help it the best he could.

Guess it will come down to how he reacts after this possible scenario happens. Where will blame be placed? Towards Britannia who made the weapon, put it on Lancelot, and forced its use? Or to Zero who gave that geass that kept him from taking a suicidal option of flying the weapon as far away as possible and limiting the damage to others? Or just a lot of self guilt for what he has done? Honestly I hope its mostly pointed at Britannia and I expect a good deal to himself.

Might be easier to predict after his talk with Lelouch next episode. Surrounding what happened to Euphy and even the live geass he was given.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

I doubt he'll blame Zero. Mainly because the Live Geass was never meant for such an occasion.

The only person to blame would be Nina and Schenzeil.

To be honest, it's ridiculous to even use such a strategic weapon, especially on your own homeground, ESPECIALLY on land that contains critical minerals for your empire.

[FlareKnight]

I doubt he'll blame Zero. Mainly because the Live Geass was never meant for such an occasion.

The only person to blame would be Nina and Schenzeil.

To be honest, it's ridiculous to even use such a strategic weapon, especially on your own homeground, ESPECIALLY on land that contains critical minerals for your empire.Well no one said Nina had much sense other than in making horrific weapons. True enough that its hard to think that something commanding you to live could lead to tragedy. The worst its done is well...keep him alive and at that one time save Zero.

Guess if it means getting a major blow against Zero and their new opposition its worth it. AFter all if they win this war then they have won it all. There should be other sources out there that they can tap even if this is one of the best ones. Not that surprised they would dump such a thing on Suzaku. Doubt they would mind blaming such calamity on a number.

[Traece]

It's not their homeground, and they aren't near the Sakuradite mining facilities. Area 11 is just a numbered portion of Britannia's empire. It's a pathetic and insignificant island that is only important because of the Sakuradite it has. Even then, they don't get the Sakuradite, they get SOME of it. Unless of course that changed from Season 1, but I don't think it did.

Britannia as a whole has only mistreated the numbers and laughed, and so what if there's hundreds of thousands of Britannian casualties? They're just a few mere civilians that have no real importance to the empire as a whole. If they had to, they could blame the United Federation of Nations for the explosion.

Suzaku would sooner blame Britannia for the bomb being used. Even if the LIVE Geass was activated and the bomb was used, if it wasn't Suzaku it would be someone else. No matter what happens, if that bomb goes off... That bomb would've gone off whether Suzaku piloted the Lancelot with the loadout or the Avalon fired it. SOMEONE in Britannia would use the bomb. Suzaku is just the chosen one because of his ACE status and his being the pilot of the Lancelot. They figure he's the man for the job.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

It's not their homeground, and they aren't near the Sakuradite mining facilities. Area 11 is just a numbered portion of Britannia's empire. It's a pathetic and insignificant island that is only important because of the Sakuradite it has. Even then, they don't get the Sakuradite, they get SOME of it. Unless of course that changed from Season 1, but I don't think it did.


I say it's homeground because it IS their terrority which supplies vital minerals to their empire.

I thought it was stated in S1 by the media that whoever controlled Japan pretty much had an overwhelming advantage over other nations. When Guilford was absent even the Graston knights noted that it was critical to restore public order as the sakuradite mining operations were being disrupted.

To use a bomb of such massive proportions would mean that the britannians, even if they win the war, will have to pour tons of resources into rebuilding it's infrastructure in order to continue to mine the sakuradite.

And I highly doubt that the britannians would be hardpressed in this battle. They are literally bringing everything they have to bear in the defense of Japan and they have the best strategist mind commanding them.


Britannia as a whole has only mistreated the numbers and laughed, and so what if there's hundreds of thousands of Britannian casualties? They're just a few mere civilians that have no real importance to the empire as a whole. If they had to, they could blame the United Federation of Nations for the explosion.


Well it could turn into a tactical draw but a strategic victory for Britannia.

If the bomb is used, its results will more or less scare more than half of the Federation into either abandoning it or joining with Britannia.


Suzaku would sooner blame Britannia for the bomb being used. Even if the LIVE Geass was activated and the bomb was used, if it wasn't Suzaku it would be someone else. No matter what happens, if that bomb goes off... That bomb would've gone off whether Suzaku piloted the Lancelot with the loadout or the Avalon fired it. SOMEONE in Britannia would use the bomb. Suzaku is just the chosen one because of his ACE status and his being the pilot of the Lancelot. They figure he's the man for the job.

Needless to say this may the last straw that breaks the camel's back and not just for Suzaku.

[Traece]

I say it's homeground because it IS their terrority which supplies vital minerals to their empire.

To use a bomb of such massive proportions would mean that the britannians, even if they win the war, will have to pour tons of resources into rebuilding it's infrastructure in order to continue to mine the sakuradite.

And I highly doubt that the britannians would be hardpressed in this battle. They are literally bringing everything they have to bear in the defense of Japan and they have the best strategist mind commanding them.

Well it could turn into a tactical draw but a strategic victory for Britannia.

If the bomb is used, its results will more or less scare more than half of the Federation into either abandoning it or joining with Britannia.


Like I said, this battle isn't going to take place anywhere near the Sakuradite mining facilities. Plus, you're not looking at this right. You're thinking one country. This is a huge empire with vast and limitless resources. Imagine the United States and one of these bombs goes off in Hawaii. Now, there's not endless and immense amounts of destruction (We don't know the size of the bomb yet, but I'd imagine it isn't beyond huge, it's probably smaller) that couldn't be repaired. Rebuild the buildings, repopulate the zone... The United States can do that. Britannia is the U.S. + most of the rest of the world... So... Yeah.

As far as being scared, that's hard to predict. It depends on how things happen. Obviously Britannia's forces going up in a HUGE explosion, aren't going to hurt the United Federation of Nations' morale.

Edit: In addition, no matter what happens when that bomb goes off civilians will be dead in the masses. I doubt that Lelouch would lose a single ally because of it. Nobody wants to be ruled by a genocidal, mass-murdering empire.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Like I said, this battle isn't going to take place anywhere near the Sakuradite mining facilities. Plus, you're not looking at this right. You're thinking one country. This is a huge empire with vast and limitless resources. Imagine the United States and one of these bombs goes off in Hawaii. Now, there's not endless and immense amounts of destruction (We don't know the size of the bomb yet, but I'd imagine it isn't beyond huge, it's probably smaller) that couldn't be repaired. Rebuild the buildings, repopulate the zone... The United States can do that. Britannia is the U.S. + most of the rest of the world... So... Yeah.

Except Hawaii doesn't have critical resources that are crucial to the US.

Japan has Sakuradite which is crucial to Britannia.


As far as being scared, that's hard to predict. It depends on how things happen. Obviously Britannia's forces going up in a HUGE explosion, aren't going to hurt the United Federation of Nations' morale.

It doesn't change the fact that the other nations will realize that the Britannians have a weapon that can literally wipe cities off the map. That knowledge is more than enough to scare them.

Oh oh oh.

Maybe during the battle, Suzaku is forced by Geass to drop the bomb on Britannian forces defending the frontlines in Japan. This wipes out a large portion of Britannia's forces and also japanese civilians. Suzaku is therefore called a traitor for such an act and chased down. :p

[m1thril]

yeah i somewhta agree with traece...i highly doubt Brittania will use a nuke in japan, but i wouldn't be surprised if they did.

[Discerptor]

Britannia is DEFINITELY planning to use Freya on Japan. Nina even said "All the material in the area under control will be completely annihilated from the collapse effect of Freya." And Anya commented that Suzaku would be massacring his own people if he fired it. The goal is to use it to make Japan worthless in terms of resources. I don't see how there's any ambiguity on this.

[Traece]

Except Hawaii doesn't have critical resources that are crucial to the US.

Japan has Sakuradite which is crucial to Britannia.

It doesn't change the fact that the other nations will realize that the Britannians have a weapon that can literally wipe cities off the map. That knowledge is more than enough to scare them.

Maybe during the battle, Suzaku is forced by Geass to drop the bomb on Britannian forces defending the frontlines in Japan. This wipes out a large portion of Britannia's forces and also japanese civilians. Suzaku is therefore called a traitor for such an act and chased down. :p

... Ok, yeah, thanks for reminding me of something I've already pitched. Yeah we know that Suzaku is likely to fire it via Geass without a choice. Yeesh.

Edit: I appreciate the support guys. As mention, it has been said BY THE CHARACTERS that the bomb is intended to be used. As well as the results of the bomb being detonated IN BATTLE.

Um, once again... The battle in Japan WILL NOT TAKE PLACE anywhere NEAR THE SAKURADITE MINING FACILITIES. The main Sakuradite mines are on Mt. Fuji, which is out in the wilderness and the like. Plus, saying the bomb can take out an entire city is an assumption isn't it? Plus once again why should anyone bow down to a genocidal and mass-murdering Empire? The countries that are rising up against Britannia would sooner be annihilated than be controlled by them.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

... Ok, yeah, thanks for reminding me of something I've already pitched. Yeah we know that Suzaku is likely to fire it via Geass without a choice. Yeesh.


No actually I don't recall you pitching a point that puts Suzaku in hot water with Britannia.


Edit: I appreciate the support guys. As mention, it has been said BY THE CHARACTERS that the bomb is intended to be used. As well as the results of the bomb being detonated IN BATTLE.

Isn't that what we've all been saying?

Plus, saying the bomb can take out an entire city is an assumption isn't it?

I dunno, maybe the part about Anya saying, "massacring his own people," indicated that they are all aware of the massive collateral damage the bomb could cause.

Um, once again... The battle in Japan WILL NOT TAKE PLACE anywhere NEAR THE SAKURADITE MINING FACILITIES.

Um sorry if this has been brought up but since when do battle lines have a set line?

The invasion couldbe coming in from the west, Tokyo if I recall correctly is on the east coast. That means if the Tokyo settlement is engaged then the battlefield will involve the Knights assaulting the west coast, pushing inland past Mt. Fuji into Tokyo.

But then again we don't know their approach.

[FlareKnight]

... Ok, yeah, thanks for reminding me of something I've already pitched. Yeah we know that Suzaku is likely to fire it via Geass without a choice. Yeesh.

Edit: I appreciate the support guys. As mention, it has been said BY THE CHARACTERS that the bomb is intended to be used. As well as the results of the bomb being detonated IN BATTLE.

Um, once again... The battle in Japan WILL NOT TAKE PLACE anywhere NEAR THE SAKURADITE MINING FACILITIES. The main Sakuradite mines are on Mt. Fuji, which is out in the wilderness and the like. Plus, saying the bomb can take out an entire city is an assumption isn't it? Plus once again why should anyone bow down to a genocidal and mass-murdering Empire? The countries that are rising up against Britannia would sooner be annihilated than be controlled by them.I agree with them planning on using the bomb. After all from using it they can gain more than they have the possibility to lose. Even at the worst there was some danger to the mines (I'm not saying there is) if they could land a critical blow against Zero's forces than it would be acceptable. You get a step closer to winning that major conflict and you probably won't need as much sakuradite anyways.

Though I don't think we should underestimate the fear that a weapon like that can inflict. Some may be more willing to take their chances than having their citizens annihilated by such a weapon. Not everyone runs by a "I'd rather die" kind of mindset. Overall should help keep the forces determined to win quickly, but we can't shrug off the possible impact on the UN side.

[m1thril]

hmmm? i thought this nuke was going to be used as a last resort or something...not something to do during a battle...else there would be no need for the majority of KoR to be there

[Traece]

hmmm? i thought this nuke was going to be used as a last resort or something...not something to do during a battle...else there would be no need for the majority of KoR to be there

Well I would agree with you under normal circumstances but since the bomb is attached to the Lancelot... I HIGHLY doubt that the intention is for it to remain as a last resort. If it was intended as such, it would be set somewhere on the defense line.

@ Soldier: Well, contradictions aside... You're wrong. Also, read other posts of mine. Lastly, I HIGHLY doubt that they're going to have a battle in the Area 11 mainland at Mt. Fuji... Thinking otherwise is just shameful.

[FlareKnight]

Well I would agree with you under normal circumstances but since the bomb is attached to the Lancelot... I HIGHLY doubt that the intention is for it to remain as a last resort. If it was intended as such, it would be set somewhere on the defense line.

@ Soldier: Well, contradictions aside... You're wrong. Also, read other posts of mine. Lastly, I HIGHLY doubt that they're going to have a battle in the Area 11 mainland at Mt. Fuji... Thinking otherwise is just shameful.Wow nothing like saying "You're wrong" to make a convincing point :heh:. I will certainly apologise if wrong, but most of your points about Suzaku using the bomb haven't been about why Britannia would be angry at him. Its mostly centered around situations that the live geass would cause him to act and why he would be angry at Britannia. Don't think there is a reason for anyone here to make a big deal about who brought up what point first anyways.

Anyways I'm sure a battle plan has been set up. Likely have expectations as to where things will be fought and under what circumstances they should unleash the weapon. Don't think it will come at the last moment if they are in trouble nor just let Suzaku fire the thing whenever he feels like it.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

@ Soldier: Well, contradictions aside... You're wrong. Also, read other posts of mine. Lastly, I HIGHLY doubt that they're going to have a battle in the Area 11 mainland at Mt. Fuji... Thinking otherwise is just shameful.

Oye.

I said it depends on the Knight's approach. Mt. Fuji is located SW of Tokyo right?

[itoastmysocks]

Suzaku would sooner blame Britannia for the bomb being used. Even if the LIVE Geass was activated and the bomb was used, if it wasn't Suzaku it would be someone else. No matter what happens, if that bomb goes off... That bomb would've gone off whether Suzaku piloted the Lancelot with the loadout or the Avalon fired it. SOMEONE in Britannia would use the bomb. Suzaku is just the chosen one because of his ACE status and his being the pilot of the Lancelot. They figure he's the man for the job.


Somehow I think it wil lbe more like..

Hey Suzaku.. use the bomb now...
NO I won't..
use it now this is an order...
no I won't...
well ain't we glad we built in a remote control?



well remember who built the bomb... and how much she likes numbers.. and I'm still sure he doesn't like Suzaku at all.. and well..picked him.. cause well. .you guessed right he was a number... so I somehow don't think it was because he is an ace after all.. they can use him as a scape goat if the kill their civilians with it

[Traece]

Wow nothing like saying "You're wrong" to make a convincing point :heh:.

Eh, I only resorted to that because my fingers are freezing and I'm tired of the conversation.

All things considered, Soldier brings some good points, or at least attempts to... But any time I have to repeat myself is pretty much the end of my nerves. If I have to BoldfaceCapify my text, you can imagine that I'd be out of the room or you'd have a fistprint on your cheek if it was an in-person discussion. ^_^

But in any case, I don't talk about Britannia's feelings because that's not as important. All things considered my focuses after Episode 16 are: Suzaku's possible defection. Nunally most likely being liberated along with Kallen. The bomb being used SOMEHOW. And the like.

The reason why the bomb going off doesn't make a difference for Lelouch's forces, is because the next two episodes are only 17 and 18... There's still plenty of episodes left.

Edit: Though I'm not sure about the location of Mt. Fuji, it doesn't matter. Even the battle in Season 1 DID NOT take place near or at Mt. Fuji. This battle in Season 2 is going to be in the same place. Where the Academy and the palace are. At least, unless there's another city with palaces and the like.

[FlareKnight]

Eh, I only resorted to that because my fingers are freezing and I'm tired of the conversation.

All things considered, Soldier brings some good points, or at least attempts to... But any time I have to repeat myself is pretty much the end of my nerves. If I have to BoldfaceCapify my text, you can imagine that I'd be out of the room or you'd have a fistprint on your cheek if it was an in-person discussion. ^_^

But in any case, I don't talk about Britannia's feelings because that's not as important. All things considered my focuses after Episode 16 are: Suzaku's possible defection. Nunally most likely being liberated along with Kallen. The bomb being used SOMEHOW. And the like.

The reason why the bomb going off doesn't make a difference for Lelouch's forces, is because the next two episodes are only 17 and 18... There's still plenty of episodes left.

Edit: Though I'm not sure about the location of Mt. Fuji, it doesn't matter. Even the battle in Season 1 DID NOT take place near or at Mt. Fuji. This battle in Season 2 is going to be in the same place. Where the Academy and the palace are. At least, unless there's another city with palaces and the like.Well certainly didn't intend to push you into making a big reply. Just thought well that it was a pretty funny way to make a point :). Weird seems like I'm saying the same thing here as in the episode 16 thread.

Guess its just because I have some typing strength left I'm alright with looking at both sides. Luckily the world has been nicely split so less factions to deal with :heh:.

[Traece]

Well certainly didn't intend to push you into making a big reply. Just thought well that it was a pretty funny way to make a point :). Weird seems like I'm saying the same thing here as in the episode 16 thread.

Guess its just because I have some typing strength left I'm alright with looking at both sides. Luckily the world has been nicely split so less factions to deal with :heh:.

Hah, I don't mean to seem so egotistical but after all this time Code Geass has pretty much decided to do whatever I predict for it to do.

In the end my main speculations for the next episode tend to be VERY on the ball, whether they're mine or someone elses. I suppose you could say I've become very hard to disagree with. :heh: But I don't mean harm. Blame Code Geass. It's my Lelouchian personality that does it.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

All things considered, Soldier brings some good points, or at least attempts to... But any time I have to repeat myself is pretty much the end of my nerves. If I have to BoldfaceCapify my text, you can imagine that I'd be out of the room or you'd have a fistprint on your cheek if it was an in-person discussion. ^_^

You'd be surprised how much easier it is to talk face to face than over an internet board.


Edit: Though I'm not sure about the location of Mt. Fuji, it doesn't matter. Even the battle in Season 1 DID NOT take place near or at Mt. Fuji. This battle in Season 2 is going to be in the same place. Where the Academy and the palace are. At least, unless there's another city with palaces and the like.

Well if anything, in S1 when Lelouch and Suzaku are playing in the fields, you see Britannian air forces flying over Mt. Fuji or at least a battle happening there.

But like I said it depends on their approach so I'll stop there.

[FlareKnight]

Hah, I don't mean to seem so egotistical but after all this time Code Geass has pretty much decided to do whatever I predict for it to do.

In the end my main speculations for the next episode tend to be VERY on the ball, whether they're mine or someone elses. I suppose you could say I've become very hard to disagree with. :heh: But I don't mean harm. Blame Code Geass. It's my Lelouchian personality that does it.Maybe you could predict for everything to go well and we can avoid major problems for the characters :). But yeah I'm not that great at predictions since things usually work outside of my imagination. Like the live geass. I didn't open it up to a possible reason why he'd use the weapon and thus was at a dead end as to what would happen.

[Traece]

Maybe you could predict for everything to go well and we can avoid major problems for the characters :). But yeah I'm not that great at predictions since things usually work outside of my imagination. Like the live geass. I didn't open it up to a possible reason why he'd use the weapon and thus was at a dead end as to what would happen.

You can probably tell but I'm a literate person with lots of writing ability. I can write stories if I want to, but I really don't like to. I don't have the nerve to do something like that. It gets boring easily to write stories and the like.

To predict well you have to get in that "cliche" mindset. There were a lot of people who thought that Shirley wouldn't die because it was SO obvious that she would...

It was obvious that she would, because she was going to. :D You just have to be ready to accept that not everything is the biggest twist in entertainment history.

[FlareKnight]

You can probably tell but I'm a literate person with lots of writing ability. I can write stories if I want to, but I really don't like to. I don't have the nerve to do something like that. It gets boring easily to write stories and the like.

To predict well you have to get in that "cliche" mindset. There were a lot of people who thought that Shirley wouldn't die because it was SO obvious that she would...

It was obvious that she would, because she was going to. :D You just have to be ready to accept that not everything is the biggest twist in entertainment history.Yeah kind of like the fierce opposition to Rollo being the one who killed Shirley. Sometimes there just isn't a twist and things can be predictable. Every now and then you can get a major twist, but they can only happen so often.

[DN24]

So,Suzaku got his beating this ep,now it's Lelouch turn next.I won't ask for much,just 1,2 punch and a kick will do

[Orga777]

Well, everyone got what they wanted. Kallen beating the hell out of Suzaku... Hopefully the hating will be gone of a few days (ha... yeah right...) He swallowed his pride and admitted he was wrong (something Lelouch should do once in a while...)

[morbosfist]

That won't happen. He prefers to make himself right instead.

[Traece]

That won't happen. He prefers to make himself right instead.

Hey, he does a good job of it.

If Euphemia wasn't dead, where would this series be now? He was sorry about it, but in the end, he admitted that what happened was absolutely PERFECT. Britannia just got F-U slapped. It's a 40%-vs-60% World War and Lelouch is cackling evilly somewhere while the Emperor is running around in his electronic systems and going, "kekeke!"

You know it'd be funny to see a game of baseball with the Order of the Black Knights vs the Britannian Royal Family. Think about it... The Black Knights could cheat so bad with the Geasses and the Geass Canceller. xD. That's some Haruhi stuff right there.

[FlareKnight]

That won't happen. He prefers to make himself right instead.Do think this might be one time where he does admit his mistakes. Think the only way to settle things with Suzaku is to make clear everything that happened and leave the ball in Suzaku's court. I have no doubt he will do everything he can to protect Nunnally. But how he feels about Lelouch will be his issue to deal with.Hey, he does a good job of it.

If Euphemia wasn't dead, where would this series be now? He was sorry about it, but in the end, he admitted that what happened was absolutely PERFECT. Britannia just got F-U slapped. It's a 40%-vs-60% World War and Lelouch is cackling evilly somewhere while the Emperor is running around in his electronic systems and going, "kekeke!It may have worked out well overall, but doubt it will resolve things with Suzaku. Unless the plan is to get Lelouch beaten half to death :heh:. Lelouch just made a mistake and it cost many lives including Euphy. Not to mention her name was run through the mud before then putting her as one of the most monstrous figures in history. It was good for the series and getting to this point, but it was still a horrific accident.

[Sotobrastos]

It may have worked out well overall, but doubt it will resolve things with Suzaku. Unless the plan is to get Lelouch beaten half to death . Lelouch just made a mistake and it cost many lives including Euphy. Not to mention her name was run through the mud before then putting her as one of the most monstrous figures in history. It was good for the series and getting to this point, but it was still a horrific accident.

His point is that as horrific as the accident may have been, it was absolutely perfect, strategically, for Lulu. It mobilized not only Japan, but also the world, against Britannia. It tarnished Euphemia's legacy and by association the Britannian royalty.

[DN24]

His point is that as horrific as the accident may have been, it was absolutely perfect, strategically, for Lulu. It mobilized not only Japan, but also the world, against Britannia. It tarnished Euphemia's legacy and by association the Britannian royalty.

Precisely why Suzaku should beat him up!!!If Suzaku accepted Kallen rage like a man and admit that he was wrong,Lelouch should at least take some beating himself..

[Orga777]

Precisely why Suzaku should beat him up!!!If Suzaku accepted Kallen rage like a man and admit that he was wrong,Lelouch should at least take some beating himself..

I doubt Suzaku will beat the tar out of Lelouch with his fists (I wouldn't mind a punch or two though...) but Lelouch admitting wrong NEEDS to be done. He needs to finally take responsibility for his actions and set things right.

[Traece]

Precisely why Suzaku should beat him up!!!If Suzaku accepted Kallen rage like a man and admit that he was wrong,Lelouch should at least take some beating himself..

Nah, he's far too fragile for a beating. Lelouch is weak and flimsy! Suzaku knows that.

[DN24]

Nah, he's far too fragile for a beating. Lelouch is weak and flimsy! Suzaku knows that.

Come on, 1 or 2 punch and kick won't kill him ;),I want to see Lelouch get some physical pain for once

[morbosfist]

What would be the point of that? Lelouch sucks at physical activity. That gag was worn out by the start of the second season. Having him get his ass kicked would be like kicking an ugly puppy. You wouldn't feel as bad because it's not cute, but the puppy is still helpless.

[Orga777]

What would be the point of that? Lelouch sucks at physical activity. That gag was worn out by the start of the second season. Having him get his ass kicked would be like kicking an ugly puppy. You wouldn't feel as bad because it's not cute, but the puppy is still helpless.

Which is why one punch wouldn't be so bad. :p

[FlareKnight]

What would be the point of that? Lelouch sucks at physical activity. That gag was worn out by the start of the second season. Having him get his ass kicked would be like kicking an ugly puppy. You wouldn't feel as bad because it's not cute, but the puppy is still helpless.Well its about the only option available. Unless your asking Suzaku to mentally attack Lelouch since intelligence is where his strength lies. I figure 1 punch at least should be fairly proportionally to the damage ratio Kallen could inflict on Suzaku. Lelouch isn't the most physical person on the planet, but I think he can take one shot.

[morbosfist]

I suppose getting a good punch in the face would be fine, but any more than that and it would just be depressing. You know Lelouch probably wouldn't just take it.

[Orga777]

I suppose getting a good punch in the face would be fine, but any more than that and it would just be depressing. You know Lelouch probably wouldn't just take it.

What is he going to do? Bleed on him?:D

[morbosfist]

I don't know what he'd do, but he'd try in vain to do something, and that's why it'd be depressing. If Suzaku fought back against Kallen, she'd at least stand a chance. Lelouch would be doomed.

[Traece]

What is he going to do? Bleed on him?:D

:heh::heh:

Hey those are some nice clothes! I'm sure Britannia is getting really piss-tired of buying that Eleven punk new rags!

[FlareKnight]

I don't know what he'd do, but he'd try in vain to do something, and that's why it'd be depressing. If Suzaku fought back against Kallen, she'd at least stand a chance. Lelouch would be doomed.If Suzaku fought back he'd have people charging to Japan to force the writers to get him killed :heh:. Think with Nunnally's life on the line Lelouch isn't going to do anything incredibly stupid. Long as the conversation is handled right might get out of it without taking any blows to the head.

[m1thril]

yeah as long as LL doesnt say anything stupid like in S1, he should be all right...although i cant help but think that something is going to go very wrong during their meeting

[Traece]

If Suzaku fought back he'd have people charging to Japan to force the writers to get him killed :heh:. Think with Nunnally's life on the line Lelouch isn't going to do anything incredibly stupid. Long as the conversation is handled right might get out of it without taking any blows to the head.

Pfft... I'd be more worried about them just plain killing the writers.

Lol, this is reminding me of what I said about them getting rid of Sheryl in the Macross forum.

I claimed that Otaku would raid the streets in protest, that the U.S. and all English-speaking countries would declare war against Japan and blockade the coast thick with ships, ready to fire their loads and annihilate the horrible choices.

Edit: I had to say this.. I was MSN speaking with a friend about 16... He commented, "Don't forget, Pizza Hut delivers to terrorist organizations." xD I mentioned how Lelouch was a sell-out for giving C.C. a BAND-AID of all things... All he has to do is ask Lakshata to pop off to the local Wal*Mart and grab some Sakuradite. While she's there, she can get a McChicken or some Subway.

[FlareKnight]

Pfft... I'd be more worried about them just plain killing the writers.

Lol, this is reminding me of what I said about them getting rid of Sheryl in the Macross forum.

I claimed that Otaku would raid the streets in protest, that the U.S. and all English-speaking countries would declare war against Japan and blockade the coast thick with ships, ready to fire their loads and annihilate the horrible choices.Yeah I just try to remain for optimistic during mad mob violence :heh:. You know grab some torches, pitchforks, and pretty much run around in a craze. Though killing the writers would be foolish since the series would end on the note of Suzaku beating Kallen up. Then the mob would turn on itself for such foolishness and there would be a report of mass murder.Edit: I had to say this.. I was MSN speaking with a friend about 16... He commented, "Don't forget, Pizza Hut delivers to terrorist organizations." xD I mentioned how Lelouch was a sell-out for giving C.C. a BAND-AID of all things... All he has to do is ask Lakshata to pop off to the local Wal*Mart and grab some Sakuradite. While she's there, she can get a McChicken or some Subway.Damn that was too funny for some reason :D. Got to love how pizza hut will go anywhere for a sale.

[Traece]

All things considered though, Suzaku can't beat Lelouch up.

And Lelouch can't die! Not just because he's Zero. Not just because of his Geass. Not just because of his family ties, or his army... Not even because of his plot armor...

Simply because... He can't swim.

[FlareKnight]

All things considered though, Suzaku can't beat Lelouch up.

And Lelouch can't die! Not just because he's Zero. Not just because of his Geass. Not just because of his family ties, or his army... Not even because of his plot armor...

Simply because... He can't swim.Is getting a punch to the face count as getting beat up or does that require multiple hits? I'm someone vague on the exact definition there.

So your saying that since I can't swim I'm invincible? If only someone told me that sooner. *Heads out to rob a bank*

[Freya]

oooo suzaku thread.

So what happens if Luciano was successful in killing him with his dagger thingy? Bismark would be o.o...

[Traece]

oooo suzaku thread.

So what happens if Luciano was successful in killing him with his dagger thingy? Bismark would be o.o...

Then I tell you what... There would be a trainwreck somewhere, somehow.. And some heads would be itched in confusion.

[bladeofdarkness]

considering every thing he has done
i wouldnt mind seeing suzaku deck lulu at least once
he deserves it at least as much as suzaku deserved the beating he got this ep

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

considering every thing he has done
i wouldnt mind seeing suzaku deck lulu at least once
he deserves it at least as much as suzaku deserved the beating he got this ep

Well, I wouldn't be surpised if Suzaku DOES beat him up somewhat, considering the name of this episode... :uhoh:

[FlareKnight]

Then I tell you what... There would be a trainwreck somewhere, somehow.. And some heads would be itched in confusion.Not to mention it would be seriously underwhelming. Besides they can't have him die right there in that situation. Anya's too nice a person to have to see Suzaku die like that. Think of the girl who's suffered enough!

Honestly though think my brain would break.

[Freya]

Not to mention it would be seriously underwhelming. Besides they can't have him die right there in that situation. Anya's too nice a person to have to see Suzaku die like that. Think of the girl who's suffered enough!

Honestly though think my brain would break.

Dam I want a Character Discussion for Anya...

[Traece]

Dam I want a Character Discussion for Anya...

Agreed. Let's pitch it. Anya has a lot of speculation behind her and she's becoming a very popular character. :cool:

[FlareKnight]

Agreed. Let's pitch it. Anya has a lot of speculation behind her and she's becoming a very popular character. :cool:Do think with her development it could happen. I mean come on Rolo has his own character discussion thread. Could fill it up with the major questions of her connection to Lelouch and why her memories have been messed with. Then talk about the actual results when they come. Besides she's cute and with all those pictures should have a lot of blackmail material :heh:.

[Traece]

Do think with her development it could happen. I mean come on Rolo has his own character discussion thread. Could fill it up with the major questions of her connection to Lelouch and why her memories have been messed with. Then talk about the actual results when they come. Besides she's cute and with all those pictures should have a lot of blackmail material :heh:.

Rolo has his own discussion and Lelouch is trying to freaking kill him.

Anya actually has redeeming qualities and she's an attractive and well-dressed young lady that any smart young man would want to marry!

Rolo... Rolo is just... He has a name. That's it, basically. He has a Lelouch shrine... Likes to do naughty things in the lockers with Lelouch... And he looks HIDEOUS in a suit and glasses.

I mean we're talking a big difference here.

A HUGE difference. The difference between Rolo and Anya is a vowel. When Rolo and Lelouch are together, you think, "Ewwww!"
When Anya and Lelouch are together, you go, "Awww..."

[Freya]

She is my favorite KoR character lol. Anya woot! Get your memories back!!!

[Discerptor]

I too would support a movement for an Anya character discussion thread.

[Freya]

What kind of name is Rolo.....

[Traece]

She is my favorite KoR character lol. Anya woot! Get your memories back!!!

Woooo! Maybe.

I too would support a movement for an Anya character discussion thread.

ANYA! ANYA! ANYA! ANYA!

What kind of name is Rolo.....

:heh:

The kind of name stuffed with cream and responsible for fat people? The sort of name that you turn to when there's a holocaust and you need non-expiring substance?

[Freya]

:heh:

The kind of name stuffed with cream and responsible for fat people? The sort of name that you turn to when there's a holocaust and you need non-expiring substance?

Oh dangggg that's killer.

[FlareKnight]

Well on the note of all the great Anya talk I should probably get some sleep. Hopefully things work out in the next several hours. Besides if Anya can highjack Suzaku's thread she can certainly carry her own :).

[kaefer_zwei]

The Final fight is coming... hope.. suzaku should show some of his mad piloting skills from season 1... lancelot back flips and spin kicks... and those mean pose's..... just to get the mecha up...

[prototype_sky]

The Final fight is coming... hope.. suzaku should show some of his mad piloting skills from season 1... lancelot back flips and spin kicks... and those mean pose's..... just to get the mecha up...

Yes the no.1 reason I like suzaku. Lancelot in action = win :D

[-KarumA-]

The Final fight is coming... hope.. suzaku should show some of his mad piloting skills from season 1... lancelot back flips and spin kicks... and those mean pose's..... just to get the mecha up...

final fight in mecha series guide lines is at the last couple of episodes.. any large battle before that ont he scale of a final fight means defeat XD I smell defeat for Lulu

[Airi]

I wanted to see the fight between Suzaku and Luciano .....
But the Knight of One stopped them... >_>

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well,t his won't be the final battle at any rate - at most it'll be the largest skirmish/pre-final battle battle though...

[True Warrior]

I want to see the Lancelot Albion and the "supposedly" powerful Guren Ganesha's Eight Extremities-Type to see finally which one is the best.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I want to see the Lancelot Albion and the "supposedly" powerful Guren Ganesha's Eight Extremities-Type to see finally which one is the best.

Well...
The new Guren will appear in episode 18, this much we know. As for the Lancelot Albion, I don't remember if we have seen it receive any changes aside from Freya yet, but if Kallen escapes with the new Guren and pwns Britannia's forces with it, then Suzaku might request for Lloyd to upgrade the Lancelot in a similar way, I guess.

[True Warrior]

Well...
The new Guren will appear in episode 18, this much we know. As for the Lancelot Albion, I don't remember if we have seen it receive any changes aside from Freya yet, but if Kallen escapes with the new Guren and pwns Britannia's forces with it, then Suzaku might request for Lloyd to upgrade the Lancelot in a similar way, I guess.

Then Lloyd wouldn't be such a genius if he let the enemy get its hands on yet another powerful KMF (Gawain anyone?) and not give the same sufficient upgrades to his own pride and joy Lancelot, also Kallen pwning Bismark seems highly unlikely, Lucanio most definetly, Gino and Anya should have gotten information on it's capablities antway.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Then Lloyd wouldn't be such a genius if he let the enemy get its hands on yet another powerful KMF (Gawain anyone?) and not give the same sufficient upgrades to his own pride and joy Lancelot, also Kallen pwning Bismark seems highly unlikely, Lucanio most definetly, Gino and Anya should have gotten information on it's capablities antway.

Well, being a genius or not has nothing to do with it :heh:. But I guess that it would indeed be a blow to his pride. Well, we don't know what the actual "matchups" will be - as far as Kallen goes, Kallen VS Luciano, Kallen Vs Gino and Kallen VS Bismarck all seems likely enough as far as upcoming battles goes, but again, we'll see about that.

[Verist]

Suzaku is doing his best to get back in everyone's good graces. Letting Kallen whoop on him, getting ready to fight Lucanio etc..

[True Warrior]

Well, being a genius or not has nothing to do with it :heh:. But I guess that it would indeed be a blow to his pride. Well, we don't know what the actual "matchups" will be - as far as Kallen goes, Kallen VS Luciano, Kallen Vs Gino and Kallen VS Bismarck all seems likely enough as far as upcoming battles goes, but again, we'll see about that.
I really hope they don't do a freaking repeat of R2 episode 6, I actually want to see them fighting seriously for once

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I really hope they don't do a freaking repeat of R2 episode 6, I actually want to see them fighting seriously for once

I doubt they'll do that, though who knows? This time around the OotBK faces quite some trouble - the military might of Britannia plus no less than FIVE KoR. Kallen might just be the one that tips the scales in this episode, and for that they might do a repeat of episode 6.. But I don't know, it does indeed seem kinda cheap. I'd also much rather see'em duelling...

[Airi]

Suzaku is doing his best to get back in everyone's good graces.Letting Kallen whoop on him, getting ready to fight Lucanio etc..


.....:heh:
I don't think so.
Suzaku doesn't care about what people think of him . He apologized because he understood his mistake .
He wanted to fight Luciano because he said the magic words: Massacre princess.

[lousylaus]

Did we ever see Suzaku going all out with the Lancelot even once in the serie? cause I sure can't remember it. There's always something holding him back. Personal feeling against his opponents, his indecisiveness, retreats, going all suicide and barging in without thinking...etc

The only time where he went all out was when Euphie got killed and even then he retreated as soon as he got her.

Starting to wonder if we'll ever see him fight seriously without worrying about any of the stuff I mentioned above. Every other character are always giving it there all, he's pretty much the only one holding back. Pissing me off quite honestly, I wanna see him fight seriously atleast once before it all ends. I wanna see the hax damnit!

Oh and if anyone has to defeat the KoO, it's gotta be Suzaku, I don't wanna see anyone else doing it or I'll be super pissed. He's the one who wanted to become #1 anyway, so I hope he'll prove he can do it by beating him.

[True Warrior]

Did we ever see Suzaku going all out with the Lancelot even once in the serie? cause I sure can't remember it. There's always something holding him back. Personal feeling against his opponents, his indecisiveness, retreats, going all suicide and barging in without thinking...etc

The only time where he went all out was when Euphie got killed and even then he retreated as soon as he got her.

Starting to wonder if we'll ever see him fight seriously without worrying about any of the stuff I mentioned above. Every other character are always giving it there all, he's pretty much the only one holding back. Pissing me off quite honestly, I wanna see him fight seriously atleast once before it all ends. I wanna see the hax damnit!

Oh and if anyone has to defeat the KoO, it's gotta be Suzaku, I don't wanna see anyone else doing it or I'll be super pissed. He's the one who wanted to become #1 anyway, so I hope he'll prove he can do it by beating him.
Amen Brother, Amen, I too wish that we could get a repeat of episode 24 but so far in R2 there's always something holding him back which really irritates me I just want to see him own someone and Bismark seems to be the likely target

[orangejuicetang]

I think he went all out in the final episodes of S1 when he was trying to get revenge on Zero. That's when he cut through Zero's forces like butter and even pretty much completely took down Kallen, though some people may disagree.

[True Warrior]

I think he went all out in the final episodes of S1 when he was trying to get revenge on Zero. That's when he cut through Zero's forces like butter and even pretty much completely took down Kallen, though some people may disagree.

Those people need to rewatch :D

[animeboy12]

I think he went all out in the final episodes of S1 when he was trying to get revenge on Zero. That's when he cut through Zero's forces like butter and even pretty much completely took down Kallen, though some people may disagree.

I had a hard time deciding between Kallen or Suzaku, on which one was the better pilot until that episode. Heck, he even give her knightmare a good gut punch when zero shot euphie

[FlareKnight]

Amen Brother, Amen, I too wish that we could get a repeat of episode 24 but so far in R2 there's always something holding him back which really irritates me I just want to see him own someone and Bismark seems to be the likely targetYeah really do want to see him just cut loose on some opponent. Way too many times he's been holding back or the fight hasn't gone on for very long. The EU forces were hardly a challenge. Think Bismark would be a good target for the new Lancelot. Should get some good fights now with the major battles ahead.

[Var]

Yeah really do want to see him just cut loose on some opponent. Way too many times he's been holding back or the fight hasn't gone on for very long. The EU forces were hardly a challenge. Think Bismark would be a good target for the new Lancelot. Should get some good fights now with the major battles ahead.

Is that really fair? The Galahad, in comparison to the Albion, would be an outdated and inferior model. It would also be larger and much slower, suffering from the same weaknesses as the Gawain. We know that Bismark is a veritable god when inside a KMF, but the stacked odds seem a bit much don't they?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Is that really fair? The Galahad, in comparison to the Albion, would be an outdated and inferior model. It would also be larger and much slower, suffering from the same weaknesses as the Gawain. We know that Bismark is a veritable god when inside a KMF, but the stacked odds seem a bit much don't they?

you have a point, but I think people might be of the opinion that a truly godly/strong/haxed character ought to be able to pull though, no matter what kind of knightmare the enemy has. People might think that the Lancelots upgrades only just about cancels out the KoO's supposedly godly skill, thus allowing them to have a truly equal battle.. :heh:

[orangejuicetang]

Though, why wouldn't the KOO have his own personal research team that constantly upgrades his KMF as well. It's not like Lloyd and Lakashta are the only two scientists capable of upgrading KMF in the entire world. I'm sure that the Galahad would at least be upgraded constantly enough to not be outdated.

[Var]

Though, why wouldn't the KOO have his own personal research team that constantly upgrades his KMF as well. It's not like Lloyd and Lakashta are the only two scientists capable of upgrading KMF in the entire world. I'm sure that the Galahad would at least be upgraded constantly enough to not be outdated.

It's an older generation so what can actually be upgraded on the base skeleton or design is limited. The Lancelot, at the very least, is a top of the line, brand new generation model. So even with a whole research team, the Galahad would still be outdated.

[Sander RX]

Why is everyone so that Galahad is lacking compared to Lancelot Albion?
Big size?If it isnt clumsy like Gawain and has movements like other 7th gens then big size will become an advantigous in close combat.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well, let's see it in action before judging how "outdated" it is. If it manages to to fight evenly (or even give serious problems to) with the Shen Hu whose power might be even greater than that of the pre-new upgrade Guren, then I certainly think Suzaku would have problems fightning it and the KoO with his Lancelot Albion...

[Var]

Why is everyone so that Galahad is lacking compared to Lancelot Albion?
Big size?If it isnt clumsy like Gawain and has movements like other 7th gens then big size will become an advantigous in close combat.

Something that big cannot move quickly by pure physical reasons. The Gawain wasn't slow because it was slow, it was slow because of its size. Bigger parts take longer to move, take more energy to move, and have more resistance. Its like pitting a 30 ton truck against a 1 ton car on a swirly race track.

Well, let's see it in action before judging how "outdated" it is. If it manages to to fight evenly (or even give serious problems to) with the Shen Hu whose power might be even greater than that of the pre-new upgrade Guren, then I certainly think Suzaku would have problems fightning it and the KoO with his Lancelot Albion...

Perfectly fair, I am making assumptions after all. We'll have to see how the Shen-Hu compares to the Galahad.

[lousylaus]

Don't know about you guys but to me Galahad doesn't look like an outdated piece of machinery. I seriously doubt even the Lancelot Albion would be superior to it, maybe equal but not superior.

But to be honest I don't really care about mech advantages and all, all I want is that Suzaku be the one to fight the KoO.

I've seen lots of people mentioning how Kallen will be the one fighting KoO. No freakin way!! That fight belongs to Suzaku.
Don't you dare put Kallen in the picture as far as the KoO goes. I want Suzaku to beat him not anyone else and most importantly on his own.

and if the spoiler about him
losing the first battle to KoO are true, then that's all the more reason for him to comeback and beat him up on his own

To be honest I'm not really worried about Kallen beating KoO. That doesn't make sense to me. She's not the one to do it imo. However I can see Sunrise pulling a lame move and have Suzaku team up with her to take him down(kinda like in the OP of the show). Unacceptable! If anything else happen other than Suzaku fighting him 1on1 I'm stopping the video and won't even bother watching the end of the serie. Give Kallen the Ko10 or any other KoR for all I care, just leave KoO to Suzaku.

[Dream_Traveller]

The Albion...really, really doesn't look all that powerful. Sure, technology aside...but it has no Harkens, nothing the Conquista has except for 2 MVSes...maybe it has a hidden weapon and a VARIS, but that may be about it.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Perfectly fair, I am making assumptions after all. We'll have to see how the Shen-Hu compares to the Galahad.

Well, that should be just abut the fairest ccomparison indeed. After all, in your own words, the Shen-Hu is the first of a new generation of "Super-knightmares" as I think you put it (and the new Guren and the Lancelot Albion will be the next of this type/generation), so having the Galahad's first battle being against it should be the best test of it's true potential.

I've seen lots of people mentioning how Kallen will be the one fighting KoO. No freakin way!! That fight belongs to Suzaku.
Don't you dare put Kallen in the picture as far as the KoO goes. I want Suzaku to beat him not anyone else and most importantly on his own.

I hear you, but the point/problem is that right now, the KoO and Suzaku are not enemies. For now they're still on the same side and until Suzaku switches sides or the like - if that indeed happens - he is free game, so to speak and Kallen, being the ace of the OotBk might well get to fight him, if only in a skrimish or the like.

[True Warrior]

The Albion...really, really doesn't look all that powerful. Sure, technology aside...but it has no Harkens, nothing the Conquista has except for 2 MVSes...maybe it has a hidden weapon and a VARIS, but that may be about it.

We don't know for sure considering that no information has been given about it thus far it must be something since Lloyd always takes care of his baby :heh:

[bladeofdarkness]

i think the wings also work as a shield system (the guren was shown in the op with the wings closed arount the torso)
it might also work as a weapon system

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well, the Albion should be formidable enough - I can't imagine Lloyd changing it without at the same time making it more versatile/deadly than it was before.

[Sander RX]

Something that big cannot move quickly by pure physical reasons. The Gawain wasn't slow because it was slow, it was slow because of its size. Bigger parts take longer to move, take more energy to move, and have more resistance. Its like pitting a 30 ton truck against a 1 ton car on a swirly race track.
If we go out of CG-verse,there are plenty of mechs that are just as big or bigger then Galahad,without any problems in agility department.
And if Galahad moves as clumsy as Gawai,whats the point of making close combat its forte.(its primary weapon is a big-ass Claymore)
i think the wings also work as a shield system
it might also work as a weapon system
Lol,Victory 2.

[bladeofdarkness]

If we go out of CG-verse,there are plenty of mechs that are just as big or bigger then Galahad,without any problems in agility department.

Lol,Victory 2.


i think you mean "victory nishki"

[SoldierOfDarkness]

I had a hard time deciding between Kallen or Suzaku, on which one was the better pilot until that episode. Heck, he even give her knightmare a good gut punch when zero shot euphie

Suzaku took advantage of the Guren's weakness by sacrificing his arm to blow off her other arm.

I hear you, but the point/problem is that right now, the KoO and Suzaku are not enemies. For now they're still on the same side and until Suzaku switches sides or the like - if that indeed happens - he is free game, so to speak and Kallen, being the ace of the OotBk might well get to fight him, if only in a skrimish or the like.

Well let Suzaku skirmish a bit with kallen.

Then have Suzaku take on Bismarck. I'm sure a top notch pilot like Bismarck is capable of wielding the Galhald's true potential (Which is perhaps in its sword).

Sure it'll be slow no doubt but I'm sure but then again it may not emphasize so much on speed but on raw power and strength and Bismarck is competent enough to compensate for its weakness.

[kaefer_zwei]

Suzaku has one weaknes that kallen (or any other pilot) might exploit... suzaku does not kill his enemy, he only disables their KMF. his mercyful ways may cost him... unlike kallen who has easily killed many KMF pilots without a second thought.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well let Suzaku skirmish a bit with kallen.

Well, this may well become the case for the next few episodes - not unexpectedly... :heh:

Then have Suzaku take on Bismarck. I'm sure a top notch pilot like Bismarck is capable of wielding the Galhald's true potential (Which is perhaps in its sword).

Mm-hmm. Such a confrontation will happen only in the last few episodes at best though... :heh:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Suzaku has one weaknes that kallen (or any other pilot) might exploit... suzaku does not kill his enemy, he only disables their KMF. his mercyful ways may cost him... unlike kallen who has easily killed many KMF pilots without a second thought.

He has never carried a no kill policy.

Mm-hmm. Such a confrontation will happen only in the last few episodes at best though...

That's why it better be epic.

[kaefer_zwei]

He has never carried a no kill policy.



That's why it better be epic.

he does... he even has a qoute... from season 1...

[bladeofdarkness]

season 1 suzaku is not season 2 suzaku

[Discerptor]

Suzaku has one weaknes that kallen (or any other pilot) might exploit... suzaku does not kill his enemy, he only disables their KMF. his mercyful ways may cost him... unlike kallen who has easily killed many KMF pilots without a second thought.

Suzaku does not kill civilians, but he is fine with killing other soldiers if it's necessary. That said, he usually gives them advance warning and a chance to surrender before doing anything potentially lethal, which Kallen never does.

[bladeofdarkness]

he normaly has an army behind him
which kallen doesnt

[Discerptor]

The last time I checked, the Black Knights were an army. And most of Lancelot's appearances (China arc the main exception), Lancelot has more or less gone in alone to mess everyone up. This was shown even this season during the EU campaign.

[Orga777]

he normaly has an army behind him
which kallen doesnt

Wha?:twitch:
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense...<.<

[Var]

Wha?:twitch:
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense...<.<

I think he means that, now, Suzaku has the KoR behind him.

Kallen has... uh... Todoh? (XIng-ke will/would be busy with KoO)

[Dream_Traveller]

he normaly has an army behind him
which kallen doesnt

Er...in season one, the BKs had, at their height, tens of thousands of members (purportedly, according to translations). Here, since they're a part of an official country, however small it is, they can be considered an army. Your post makes no sense.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

he does... he even has a qoute... from season 1...

Which is?

The huge difference between Mobile Suits and Knightmares is that Knightmares carry ejection seats so the pilot's survival rate is quite high.

Besides, pretty sure he killed those people during that hotel hijacking incident.

[bladeofdarkness]

as in he has the britannian army for support and therfor would be considered much more powerful (stratigicly) then any one he faces since they would lack that kind of support
and the OOBK werent an army till later
at which point kallen stopped going on solo attackes where such a warning would be given

[Dream_Traveller]

Yes, were the Brits not classified as mainly cannon fodder.

[morbosfist]

I think he means that, now, Suzaku has the KoR behind him.

Kallen has... uh... Todoh? (XIng-ke will/would be busy with KoO)The KoR aren't really behind Suzaku, except in the sense that the title carries a certain respect. Suzaku just doesn't like killing where he can avoid it (at least most of the time). He's not completely committed to his soldier role, hence Lloyd's contradiction comment. Kallen, on the other hand, has a Knightmare which is more or less designed specifically to kill, and thanks to Lelouch has accepted that the deaths she's causing are necessary for the completion of their goals.

[bladeofdarkness]

i was answering Discerptor about how suzaku gives out warnings to his (soon to be)victems where as kallen doesnt

[Dream_Traveller]

And no-one listens to them.

[Discerptor]

The Black Knights have been an army since late in the first half of R1. This isn't a difference of strategic stances, but rather just how they operate. Suzaku has the famous "contradiction" Lloyd teases him about, whereas Kallen doesn't. And again, Lancelot seems to usually act on its own without support, the China arc being the main exception. Answering morbosfist:

Indeed. And I do believe this could be used against Suzaku to defeat him. Kallen could:

1) Put Suzaku in a situation where he would hesitate to attack for fear of causing civilian casualties
2) Go in for a devastating (and potentially lethal) surprise attack while Suzaku is distracted, something she wouldn't have to worry about him doing to her

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Well that's kinda what Toudo did to Suzaku....

[bladeofdarkness]

was i the only one who noticed that the lancelot now has a nuke

[Var]

The KoR aren't really behind Suzaku, except in the sense that the title carries a certain respect. Suzaku just doesn't like killing where he can avoid it (at least most of the time). He's not completely committed to his soldier role, hence Lloyd's contradiction comment. Kallen, on the other hand, has a Knightmare which is more or less designed specifically to kill, and thanks to Lelouch has accepted that the deaths she's causing are necessary for the completion of their goals.

Well, at the very least Gino and Anya are behind him. I do not mean that they would fight with him directly, but they would basically turn the fights against the Order into very lopsided ones. There are more KoR then there are aces on the OoBK, and we know Gino is more than capable of fighting against Xing-ke in the Shen-hu, and is eager to have his deathmatch with Kallen.

Given, of course, that Anya's Mordred is cumbersome, but the fire power it packs is mostly > OoBK ground troops.

[Dream_Traveller]

Er...discussion deviation, much, blade? And everyone's noticed, practically.

[bladeofdarkness]

i meant that the lancelot now has a weapon made for massive colatoral damage
it wasnt a topic switch

[Dream_Traveller]

Yes, and Suzaku's aware of it. He knows that, despite the casualties it will inevitably cause, if it'll help them turn the tide, he'll be willing to use it.

[morbosfist]

Nina's just mind-fucking him into carrying her weapon into battle. It's not like it's a standarad thing.

[Discerptor]

Do we know whether Freya ended up actually being put on Lancelot yet? Lloyd seemed to pretty much shut down Nina's idiocy and even made a veiled threat, so I'm not sure if it was actually done.

Also, I can't see Suzaku willingly using Freya. He disobeyed a direct order to kill Lelouch in the first episode of R1, just one civilian, and he even stopped the massacre of the million Zeros despite all of them being insurgents/terrorists. He wouldn't knowingly kill even one civilian, let alone however many Freya would destroy. I think the only way Suzaku will end up using it is if he's somehow tricked into doing it by Schneizel or someone. That could very well be the "last straw" that causes him to eventually join Lelouch, as we know will inevitably happen at some point.

[morbosfist]

She'll get her way. All she has to do is play her Prince benefactor card and it's going on.

I can't see Suzaku using it willingly, though. He knows he's going to kill a lot of people if he uses it, friend and foe alike. There will have to be some additional factor to get it launched.

[Dream_Traveller]

I call for Lelouch enraging him. Again. Somehow.

[Discerptor]

Well, I thought that might be a remote possibility too, but it's not like Lelouch can order the massacre of who knows how many Japanese, drag Euphy's name through the mud and kill her in cold blood for selfish gain again. Is there anything left that could elicit such a reaction from Suzaku? And even then, his rage was only directed toward Lelouch and only affected his militants, not civilians. Suzaku was actually willing to give his life up for the student council then. Hell, he even still gave fair warning to Kallen at that point. Suzaku just isn't the collateral damage-type, even in berserker mode.

[morbosfist]

There shouldn't be much of anything that would convince Suzaku to kill millions of people, which would encompass the innocent, friendlies, and foes. The only way I see it happening is remote control or "live Geass" compelling him.

[orangejuicetang]

That's true. The only way that I can pretty much see Suzuku using Freya is if his "live geass" overpowers him.

[FlareKnight]

Agree that geass is the only thing that could possibly lead to that being fired. Even then would require a situation where the only way to survive is to fire it and that's not too easy. Since even if he thinks his life is in danger can take other actions to survive than firing such a terrible thing. But sadly hard to believe that kind of weapon is made and doesn't end up being fired somehow.

Anger isn't going to be good enough to get him to fire that thing. No matter how mad he was at Lelouch at the end of last season he wouldn't have fired recklessly and possibly hit the school.

Anyways I am curious to see what the new Lancelot will be capable of. Doubt Lloyd would leave his prize unit without good upgrades. Though a question of how creative he can get with it. The Guren had been made by Lakshata and so personal touches could be introduced easily.

[morbosfist]

It hasn't been upgraded yet, and it's not likely to within the next two episodes. It'd be nice if he upgraded it with Rakshata.

[FlareKnight]

It hasn't been upgraded yet, and it's not likely to within the next two episodes. It'd be nice if he upgraded it with Rakshata.Yeah right now the only real change there will be a nuke strapped to it this time :heh:. Would be pretty interesting to get the Lancelot upgraded by Rakshata and therefore having an interesting kind of collaboration with her and Lloyd. Besides he works on her unit it would only be fair.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

It hasn't been upgraded yet, and it's not likely to within the next two episodes. It'd be nice if he upgraded it with Rakshata.

Looked back at episode 16 just to confirm that it wasn't upgraded.

I wonder though if it'll get damaged severly in the upcoming battle.

[FlareKnight]

Looked back at episode 16 just to confirm that it wasn't upgraded.

I wonder though if it'll get damaged severely in the upcoming battle.Do get enough of a view to make it clear it hasn't gotten upgrades yet.

Pretty possible it could take some serious damage in the upcoming battle. Heavy damage would thus require repairs and why not do some upgrading at the same time? From a big battle against the Order to a very possible Freya explosion there are enough things that could get that unit damaged.

[morbosfist]

Do get enough of a view to make it clear it hasn't gotten upgrades yet. If it had gotten its upgrade the legs would have red jewels and the right arm would have the big golden arm guard instead of the shield.

[FlareKnight]

If it had gotten its upgrade the legs would have red jewels and the right arm would have the big golden arm guard instead of the shield.Yeah thought about tossing that onto the post, but was too lazy for it :). The claw blocks out some of the Lancelot, but those parts are clear enough to show that hasn't changed. Besides if there were upgrades done Lloyd would probably be talking about them instead of everything else :heh:.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Guren's been getting all the love from Lloyd and Cecile (especially from the way she's blushing) so the Lancelot's been ignored. Poor guy.

[FlareKnight]

All I can say is if Freya leads to damage to the Lancelot....Lloyd will probably kill Nina himself :heh:.

Poor Lancelot...

[morbosfist]

All I can say is if Freya leads to damage to the Lancelot....Lloyd will probably kill Nina himself :heh:.This would be nothing less than epic if they actually did it. It'd be so seemingly out of character for him yet appropriate at the same time because of his attachment to his mecha.

[bladeofdarkness]

the slash harkens on the hips are also in place for now
and the new lancelot has a different head
so the old head probabaly gets smashed off

[FlareKnight]

This would be nothing less than epic if they actually did it. It'd be so seemingly out of character for him yet appropriate at the same time because of his attachment to his mecha.Would honestly pay to see that happen :). How about dropping a giant pudding onto Nina, thus crushing her? The Pudding Earl strikes again!the slash harkens on the hips are also in place for now
and the new lancelot has a different head
so the old head probably gets smashed offI just keep feeling worst for the Lancelot the more we talk about it. Though Guren got a pretty nice upgrade and it didn't need to get busted up for that to happen. But considering the battle coming some damage is likely.

[Rising Dragon]

Well, it did kind of get its main weapon arm fried, and its cockpit malfunctioned and wouldn't eject. So it was kinda busted up. But remember, the Guren Nishiki's head module was replaced during its upgrade, so likely the head unit holds a component needed to control the Float System pack. The new Guren has a new Float System, as does the new Lancelot, and its also got a new head. So the head was likely replaced so it'd be compatible with the Float System.

[bladeofdarkness]

Well, it did kind of get its main weapon arm fried, and its cockpit malfunctioned and wouldn't eject. So it was kinda busted up. But remember, the Guren Nishiki's head module was replaced during its upgrade, so likely the head unit holds a component needed to control the Float System pack. The new Guren has a new Float System, as does the new Lancelot, and its also got a new head. So the head was likely replaced so it'd be compatible with the Float System.

the gurens head is part of the shield system

[Rising Dragon]

the gurens head is part of the shield system

That's reasonable to assume as well. But if the head unit contains vital computer components, its not just the shield system that its interfaced with.

[Tokkan]

When the original Guren Type-02 activated, it's eyes would flash with a few greenish/yellowish rectangles a bit. (sorry, I'm colour-blind)

I'd assume that the head acts as a factsphere and gathers visual telemetry. I'm thinking that because Rakshata's designs don't seem to have factspheres, though the circular face screens on the Gekkas, Akatsukis and the Zangetsu seem to act just as well as one would.

[morbosfist]

Most of the newer mechs don't have Factspheres. They appear to have phased them out or significantly miniaturized the technology in the more advanced models.

[FlareKnight]

Well, it did kind of get its main weapon arm fried, and its cockpit malfunctioned and wouldn't eject. So it was kinda busted up. But remember, the Guren Nishiki's head module was replaced during its upgrade, so likely the head unit holds a component needed to control the Float System pack. The new Guren has a new Float System, as does the new Lancelot, and its also got a new head. So the head was likely replaced so it'd be compatible with the Float System.But all that was when it got the upgrades from Lakshata in episode 6. When the Guren was captured it just ran out of energy. She couldn't eject because of the wires. So really Lloyd had a pretty intact Guren to play around with in this case. Some changes definitely had to be made to handle the new systems.

[Rising Dragon]

But all that was when it got the upgrades from Lakshata in episode 6. When the Guren was captured it just ran out of energy. She couldn't eject because of the wires. So really Lloyd had a pretty intact Guren to play around with in this case. Some changes definitely had to be made to handle the new systems.

I'm aware. All I was pointing out that despite the Guren's upgrade happened mid-battle, the Lancelot doesn't have to get smashed apart before it gets upgraded. I probably should've worded it better.

[morbosfist]

The control systems are stored within the cockpit. If the head was as important as you imply, the Glaston Knights wouldn't have been able to keep fighting Gino when he attacked the government complex.

[Rising Dragon]

I didn't say they were all important, you know. But if there wasn't nothing special in the head module, why bother including it (besides the obvious reason it wouldn't look like a mech without a head)?

And for your information, the control systems stored in the cockpit are generally for the control of the suit. They do not control how the energy is regulated through the Float System, or how the information is sent to which part of the Knightmare Frame, etc. There are computer systems inside of the Knightmare Frame that helps utilize the commands issued by the piloting controls in the cockpit, since the pilot him/herself isn't a computer and obviously can't process all of the necessary data.

[morbosfist]

The head is there so the Knightmare can see well. There's not much more to it.

Look at the size of the cockpit compared to the person, as well as in relation to the Knightmare. It's huge. There's plenty of room for complicated electronics. The rest of your example is confusing, since we've never been told about any of that. The Float system is almost always an attachment, and it is always mounted to the cockpit. Ergo, the cockpit is what is giving the commands, not some computer in the chest or head. There may be secondary computers in the mech that control power distribution and movement for the particular section, but the primary functions all run from the cockpit.

[kaefer_zwei]

Why is Suzaku with brittania?

Suzaku, Lelouch and Nunnaly did live together at the kururugi residence before the war... prior to the death of father genbu kurrurugi... lelouch and nunnaly wer as a diplomatic peace trade but that was before the war...

I just read it in wiki... right now im trying to figure out the past.. trying to figure out the time lelouch and nunally spent with suzaku during their childhood... if its over a year or two.... then that would be greatly influence their views of one another would be like brothers..

which may explain their strong bonds... even though they say their just best of friends.. which explains why they do not wish to kill each other..

suzaku might join lelouch... if things are favorable..

[Dream_Traveller]

...Did you even watch R1? He joined Britannia in the first place to try and change things from the inside- something that he actually got around trying to do this season.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

...Did you even watch R1? He joined Britannia in the first place to try and change things from the inside- something that he actually got around trying to do this season.

Correction; he joined Britannia to get himself killed. Suzaku only got around to do it this season because he can't kill himself anymore and there was no turning back.

[Dream_Traveller]

Thanks for the correction...but, yeah. That's how it is.

[prototype_sky]

Do we know whether Freya ended up actually being put on Lancelot yet? Lloyd seemed to pretty much shut down Nina's idiocy and even made a veiled threat, so I'm not sure if it was actually done.

Also, I can't see Suzaku willingly using Freya. He disobeyed a direct order to kill Lelouch in the first episode of R1, just one civilian, and he even stopped the massacre of the million Zeros despite all of them being insurgents/terrorists. He wouldn't knowingly kill even one civilian, let alone however many Freya would destroy. I think the only way Suzaku will end up using it is if he's somehow tricked into doing it by Schneizel or someone. That could very well be the "last straw" that causes him to eventually join Lelouch, as we know will inevitably happen at some point.

Well it is a nuke so most likely nina/schneizel have a means of firing it remotely
and they only put it on lancelot to keep it safe until they need to fire it.

Knight of Seven or not, I can't see nina of all people willing to give Suzaku an eleven all that power of destruction. Whats is to stop him from using it on them?

Of course it could be the writers playing with us and all those times of having suzaku avoid doing horrible things was to save him to do the most devasting act in the entire series.

1)Avoided Shooting Lulu
2)Avoided Exterminating the JLF
3)Avoided Executing Todou
4)Avoided Killing Kallen for intel
5)Avoided Killing Zero for revenge
6)Wouldn't sign the assissin's death warrant
7)Avoided Slaughtering all those Zero's imposters
8)Avoided Druging Kallen against her will

With his record him firing that weapon directly is very unlikely
So most likey he was ordered to fire, he refused and his superiors remote launched it.
The whole point of killing his dad was to avoid the death of millions
using that weapon on his own home turf goes against that

[Eliarine]

In before "Suzaku doesn't mind killing as long as it's an order"