[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Translation Project

[Klashikari]

That is funnily not the case: all episode 3 posts made for the first partial patch were moved in the episode 3 thread.
Most if not all posts in the translation thread are INDEED solely related to the project itself.

[Jan-Poo]

/shock °_°

this is funny indeed. This thread is already on par with ep3's and twice as big as ep4's °°;

[chronotrig]

Dang, Umi4 made it to number 4 on Himeya for the week.

And it's its 4th week there, since they got them back in stock.

[Christen]

I'm going to avoid discussions until I finish EP4 completely. I got badly spoiled last time.

[Jan-Poo]

Dang, Umi4 made it to number 4 on Himeya for the week.

And it's its 4th week there, since they got them back in stock.

Guess Ryukishi is going to appreciate you even more now XD

[Coruja]

Dang, Umi4 made it to number 4 on Himeya for the week.

And it's its 4th week there, since they got them back in stock.
Yeah, thanks to the Witch Hunt. I will probably buy Ep4 as well from there soon, as the patch is coming our ways.

[chronotrig]

Well, it's a bit late in mentioning this, but in an interview a few days ago, Ryuukishi mentioned our group's name and how he borrowed it in EP4.

Apparently, he liked it because it reminded him of the Blair Witch Project, which inspired him when writing Higurashi.

Oh, and for people still wondering what the in-game Witch Hunt is, that part of the game is covered in the first patch we'll be releasing in a little more than a week (hopefully).

Here's (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/144/144722/) the interview link, by the way.

[UnknownBeast]

an interview a few days ago, Ryuukishi mentioned our group's name and how he borrowed it in EP4.
Wow awesome, congrats again! ^_^

the first patch we'll be releasing in a little more than a week (hopefully).
Wow that's even more awesome! ^_^;

[Keriaku]

I still really want somebody to translate that interview. I'm really curious about what was mentioned about EP5 etc.

[Jan-Poo]

try google autotranslator for the lol XD

[USCPharmacist]

In a week or two huh.....need to plan for some days off heheh.

[777chris777]

Loving the umineko ranking on himeya, keep it up people :D

As for the interview, as far as I could tell, it didn't really say anything much about ep5 specifically (In the engrish that is google translator), though I generally tried to skim read so I didn't encounter any major spoilers for ep4 so I may have missed something, I dunno.

As for the upcoming umineko ep4 patch, looking forward to it... alot :D

[Goose Boy]

How.. is... the patch... going....

The wait is killing me.... T_T.....

[kj1980]

I actually have to handed it to you guys that you really did get the interest of this game for the English speaking masses before the anime airs. In the words of Light Yagami, 「計画通り」ｗｗｗ

Bravo. ( ﾟДﾟﾉﾉ"☆ﾊﾟﾁﾊﾟﾁﾊﾟﾁﾊﾟﾁ


Now if AS can start compiling this and other Umineko threads into one sub-section, that'll be great. Umineko is just the start of a new wave of original-story hype/pre-anime to come. What you are seeing here is the very first instance where a doujin game is actually already popular enough over on the stateside as before the anime. This definitely wasn't the case when Higurashi first aired (was a darkhorse and no one about this except me and a few fans), and neither was it during Utawarerumono, Fate, Tsukihime, or Kiminozo (which all had their shares of "is their[sic] an English patch LOL")

[blitz1/2]

I actually have to handed it to you guys that you really did get the interest of this game for the English speaking masses before the anime airs. In the words of Light Yagami, 「計画通り」ｗｗｗ

Bravo. ( ﾟДﾟﾉﾉ"☆ﾊﾟﾁﾊﾟﾁﾊﾟﾁﾊﾟﾁ


Now if AS can start compiling this and other Umineko threads into one sub-section, that'll be great. Umineko is just the start of a new wave of original-story hype/pre-anime to come. What you are seeing here is the very first instance where a doujin game is actually already popular enough over on the stateside as before the anime. This definitely wasn't the case when Higurashi first aired (was a darkhorse and no one about this except me and a few fans), and neither was it during Utawarerumono, Fate, Tsukihime, or Kiminozo (which all had their shares of "is their[sic] an English patch LOL")


i always thought it would be combined with Higurashi, but I guess that wasn't the case. I think we're going to need a sub-section as soon as the first ep airs.

[Marion]

I think Higurashi's success overseas, as far as the anime and game goes, definitely contributed to Umineko's success overseas before the anime airing. I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat as me - that they discovered Umineko via Higurashi and overall praising of 07th Expansion :3

But yes - All Hail the Witch Hunt :D!~~

(you guys should totally get your own monument lol)

[D2657a]

I got Umineko 4 today and installed it and then installed the patch but the bgm and sound effects aren't playing.How do I fix this?

[Christen]

I got Umineko 4 today and installed it and then installed the patch but the bgm and sound effects aren't playing.How do I fix this?

Make sure you are running your system in Japanese locale. Here's a link http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=60120

[D2657a]

It is in japanese locale.I'm using XP.

I also found that the op is skipped.It runs fine on the original japanese.

[HigurashinoUmineko]

OMG I just finished playing the partial patch for Episode 4 and I loved the Ending lol!

[theacefrehley]

In the words of Light Yagami, 「計画通り」ｗｗｗ



I say the same... :heh:


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/927/keikakudoori.jpg

[777chris777]

@D2657a,

Copying one of my old posts:

Note: The guide above is pretty much the same but this ones easier to follow (more noob friendly) imo. :D

Assuming you have windows xp, what's shown in the image under the spoiler, is how to set locale to japanese properly, which is possibly the issue:

http://i41.tinypic.com/339qeya.jpg

Assuming you have the east asian language pack installed, and follow the steps in the picture, it really should work :@

Otherwise, I can only suggest, try reinstalling >.<

Also, I'm only assuming when you say got you mean bought, as I can only say this should work for bought copies. Can't guarantee that it would work with illegal copies (nor offer help). :X


@goose_boy

Oh, and for people still wondering what the in-game Witch Hunt is, that part of the game is covered in the first patch we'll be releasing in a little more than a week (hopefully).

Notice that the post, 6 above yours, says in just over a week hopefully. Also note that the post was 5-6 days ago. Also note that there is 7 days in a week.

Sorry if that sounded rather cynical XD

@others I would agree that many people found umineko from higurashi. I am one of those people XD

[Jan-Poo]

@others I would agree that many people found umineko from higurashi. I am one of those people XD

That's also my case, to be honest i've only found out about Higurashi less than a month ago, and i started to watch it just because i recognized one of the character (Shion/Mion) that i had previously seen from a friend's blog and i was curious.
The anime was so inspiring that i wanted to learn more about its origin, imagine my surprise when i found out it was based on a doujin game and that it was basically conceived by a single person.
At the same time i learned about Umineko and the translation project. It actually took me a while before i finally decided to buy the game (youtube and its videos played a big role in that) but i'm glad i did. I like Umineko even more than Higurashi. Maybe it's because the visual novel format is better than the anime version, but i don't think that's only because of that. The two projects are significantly different and both are great in their own way, mine is only a personal preference on thematics.

Now it is certain that such interest in a visual novel from anime fans never happened before. This might be the start of a long series of other independent translation projects, i'm pretty interested to see how all of this will evolve.

[crazysjd89]

I read the visual novel for Higurashi after the first season was finished, but before the second season was announced. Higurashi was the first visual novel I read, and it's responsible for making me want to read visual novels or light novels before I watch an anime, heh.

[Jan-Poo]

i can't say umineko was the first...
"Divi Dead" actually was the very first visual novel for me, and it's been a long time since then i think it was 2003.
Thinking about it, that story does share some similarities with Higurashi and Umineko...

[D2657a]

I bought it from Himeyashop.And all the language options are in japanese.

[Kitsu]

That's totally natural. use the patch from this site:
www.witch-hunt.com

[D2657a]

the problem's now fixed! I just had to move some files and it worked fine.

[UnknownBeast]

What's this about a patch for EP4 I see on the 07th Expansion site?

http://www.07th-expansion.net/umi/Support/Support.htm

[Marion]

What's this about a patch for EP4 I see on the 07th Expansion site?

http://www.07th-expansion.net/umi/Support/Support.htm
I don't understand much, but from I do get I'm pretty sure it's a technical patch that has to do with the game functioning oddly. It has nothing to do with the translation~

[chronotrig]

Actually, we're putting some of the changes from that official patch into ours, and also adding support for using that patch along with our patch (just so that it'll run, since that patch changes the file names for the music tracks). There were also some little fixes like adding the text 'EP3' to saves in episode 3 and preventing you from saving on the title screen (which would be bad).


And I think we can expect a release either Monday or Tuesday. There are just a couple bugs we're working out, along with some last minute edits.

[Orophin]

Actually, we're putting some of the changes from that official patch into ours, and also adding support for using that patch along with our patch (just so that it'll run, since that patch changes the file names for the music tracks). There were also some little fixes like adding the text 'EP3' to saves in episode 3 and preventing you from saving on the title screen (which would be bad).

So wait, do we have to download both patches in order to have the fixes and the translation or will your patch do both while supporting the official patch for those who have it installed?

[chronotrig]

The latter. As far as people using our patch are concerned, the official patch does nothing. All of the fixes we added will work whether you have to official patch or not (there are some details in the official patch that we are not implementing).

However, if you do install the official patch, or if 07th-expansion decides to include it in later versions of Umineko, our patch should still work fine on top of it.

[Marion]

Good to know!

And Monday or Tuesday :O Awesome~

[777chris777]

I think my F5 button will break sometime in the vicinity of Monday/Tuesday :D

[Mystearika]

same here, cant wait:)

[lovelysan]

Monday or Tuesday



MONDAY OR TUESDAY




MONDAY OR TUESDAY



:D !!!


....Er, I mean, oh really? Oh. That sounds nice. *cough*

[bahamut zero]

My F5 broke yesterday, goddamn >__<

[Usami_Haru]

Monday or Tuesday



MONDAY OR TUESDAY




MONDAY OR TUESDAY



:D !!!


....Er, I mean, oh really? Oh. That sounds nice. *cough*
I hope for tuesday becouse my birthday is that day and it would be a nice birthday present

[momobunny]

I hope for Monday because it's sooner.

[ClockWorkAngel]

The days go by soon quickly til the things we wish for appear~!

My week ought to be eventful then!

[Kitsu]

I hope Monday, since Tuesday is my day at the hospital and with my luck I'm gonna freaking operated. (Okay better then never getting my hand fixed). Also Monday is better because it's sooner...lol.. about two hours in germany, but I think you mean monday as in GMT - 8 or so

[Varion]

8 chapters don't last that long anyway, you're going to be back to crying NEXT PATCH WHERE before you know it :p

[tcaz2]

8 chapters don't last that long anyway, you're going to be back to crying NEXT PATCH WHERE before you know it :p

While yes, I will, isn't this patch supposed to be just slightly shorter than episode 1? Meaning that would be what, 6-7 hours of reading?

[UnknownBeast]

8 chapters don't last that long anyway, you're going to be back to crying NEXT PATCH WHERE before you know it :p

Wow, that certainly wasn't obvious at all. I'm amazed at you for noticing this.


Why didn't you just let us stay in this illusion for a while... D:<

[bahamut zero]

8 chapters don't last that long anyway, you're going to be back to crying NEXT PATCH WHERE before you know it :p

Repeat that in red! we won't be fooled by your psychologicaly-influenced assumptions :D

[Marion]

8 chapters don't last that long anyway, you're going to be back to crying NEXT PATCH WHERE before you know it :p
Nonsense. Put it this way - if you do a chapter a month by the time you get through this patch the translation team will probably finish the entire game translation XD!~

WE JUST NEED TO TAKE IT SLOW~~

[Jan-Poo]

As if that will ever happen ^^;

i'm gonna read it all in a few hours ^^;

[tcaz2]

...And it's Monday in the US!

*Starts auto-reload*

[meh]

While yes, I will, isn't this patch supposed to be just slightly shorter than episode 1? Meaning that would be what, 6-7 hours of reading?

So 40% of this episode is just slightly less than episode 1? That's pretty insane amount of text.

I remember taking way more time to read episode 1 myself. But then again I actually spread my reading out, so I tend to go at a slower pace.

[Klashikari]

That's a shame that we couldn't release the patch sunday considering that almost everything was done, but once again, my shitty schedule wasn't exactly helping...
Well, at least it was within our expected deadline so...

Well then, shall we start?

Witch Hunt is proud to announce that the new patch for Umineko no Naku Koro ni is available!

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0891/grimoire1.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0891/grimoire1) http://g.imagehost.org/t/0942/umi4preview1.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0942/umi4preview1) http://g.imagehost.org/t/0347/umi4preview2.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0347/umi4preview2) http://g.imagehost.org/t/0243/umi4preview3.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0243/umi4preview3)


The new patch covers the first 9 chapters of Episode 4, Alliance of the Golden Witch. You can get it with the following links (mediafire, Rapidshare as a mirror linkà:


[WH] Umineko 4 v4.0, 41.51MB (rar file) (http://www.mediafire.com/?jemtjmvzzg5) | [Mirror: RS] (http://rapidshare.com/files/213010268/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0.rar)
(http://www.mediafire.com/?jzxwny2ughr)
[WH] Umineko 4 v4.0 for MAC OSX, 41.86MB (rar file) (http://www.mediafire.com/?hyjwjmzimtm) | [Mirror: RS] (http://rapidshare.com/files/213015771/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0_for_Mac.rar)

As usual, please do not overwrite the old patch if you were using it. Rather, please delete it and then install the v4.0. Worry not, the save states are not in the patch folder.

Note: Because of the new feature, it is very likely that any old save state (regardless of the episode) will act up very weirdly most of the time. We suggest you all to make new save state starting from this patch release even for the previous episodes.
Our apologies for this inconvenience.

Please be sure to check the NEW readme file as some specific points must be taken in account for the full use of the patch (a lot of content has been changed, and the format is itself, easier to read).Log of the recent changes
-Chapters 0-9 of Episode 4
-Sound glitch fix working for vista (repeated sound SFX)
-Buttons everlasting "red effect" bug fixed
-Quake freeze bug fixed
-A new feature has been added! Check out the start of any Episode!

Please don’t hesitate to leave your feedbacks, comments, troubleshoots and so forth here!

[Haruyan]

zomg!! Thxthxthxthxthxthxthxthxthxthxthx!!!!

[Kitsu]

Danke!
Yes, I'm so grateful that I can't express myself in any other language then my mother tongue. Seriously thank you!!

[Cola91]

lol I'll have to study at school for tomorrow's test to read more at home.....
By the way the test is about Dante's purgatory XD

Anyway thanks a lot guys ^^

[777chris777]

I love you guys so much :)!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you! :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Mizuno]

First of all, great job guys and many thanks. :)

How many chapters are in total for Episode 4 though?

[chronotrig]

There are 19 chapters total, but their size differs by a huge amount
For example, chapter 16 alone is longer than half of the patch we just released.

The third patch will be only slightly shorter than this first one in length, but will have only 3 chapters and the tea parties.

[meh]

Wow. Thanks for the translation.

[chronotrig]

Try this rapidshare link (http://rapidshare.com/files/212479724/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0.rar) if you can't get mediafire.

[tcaz2]

...I can't believe I convinced myself it wouldn't be out this late at night and that I should go to bed like 5 minutes before you release it.

Well I'm glad I got up early at least.

Thanks very much for the translation!

[Matrim]

Yatta! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[meh]

Try this rapidshare link (http://rapidshare.com/files/212479724/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0.rar) if you can't get mediafire.

Thanks a lot. I was trying some other methods, but looks like I can use this instead.

[Graus]

Witch Hunt is proud to announce that the new patch for Umineko no Naku Koro ni is available!


Awesome work as usual. Thank you.

[confused_kitsune]

Thank you, can't wait to start reading.

[ClockWorkAngel]

Celebrations commence! Thanks again!

[Jan-Poo]

Whoa you realesed during my sleep time, now i wake up and there's the patch! gonna watch it right now!

Thanx a lot guys! ^_^

[Chadauw]

Merci du fond du coeur :)

Thanks guys! okay, let's challenge this witch again!

[Auria]

Thanks so much ^_^ Works fine, gotta play later on :0
What would the fanbase do without your effort, thanks ~

[UnknownBeast]

Uu..

I just finished it.. >.>;

Not a very satisfying place to end it IMO... <.<;

Very much unlike the EP3 half-patch... >.<;


Looking forward for the rest <.>;

[Klashikari]

Well, I think the point was that the patch could end on a climatic note without being on a cliffhanger.
Trust me, that point was not exactly easy to choose as it would be either a silly mood breaker, or a ugly cliffhanger.

That was the least harmful scene to select. That or forced to split the game either in 2 or 4, which is not exactly the best conditions for Chrono.

[Matrim]

Is there a way to play the game even if the music tracks are not played properly? I installed the game under Vista because I have Japanese regional and language settings there but I would rather play it under XP, even iwth some of the music missing. I can play episode 3 under Windows XP even though I instaleld it under Vista too, but episode 4 gives me an error while Vista allows me to play. I mean apart from installing Japanese regional/language settings for XP which I am reluctant to do just for the music.

[UnknownBeast]

Yeah... I couldn't see a place where you guys could've end it earlier.

And ending it later... seems like something BIG is about to happen considering where the patch left of..

That is.. if they're going to where I think they're going. (Don't tell >_<; )

[Proto]

Trust me, that point was not exactly easy to choose as it would be either a silly mood breaker, or a ugly cliffhanger.

Hey, what's wrong with cliffhangers? Other than having people at your throat demanding the next patch release date they are good for building anticipation. :p

Otherwise, kudos on your latest release. But you just had to go and release it during the morning while I'm still at work. You did it on purpose, right? :( Excuses blaming it on the time zone difference aren't valid

[chronotrig]

Is there a way to play the game even if the music tracks are not played properly? I installed the game under Vista because I have Japanese regional and language settings there but I would rather play it under XP, even iwth some of the music missing. I can play episode 3 under Windows XP even though I instaleld it under Vista too, but episode 4 gives me an error while Vista allows me to play. I mean apart from installing Japanese regional/language settings for XP which I am reluctant to do just for the music.

We put that check in because it seems a lot of people are playing through the game without those songs and don't know it. And if you see that error, you're definitely missing way too many songs to fully enjoy the game.

If you absolutely have to play it without changing your regional settings, copy any ogg file from the BGM folder and rename it '80.ogg'.
We strongly suggest that you only try this if you're already played the game with all the music.

[Matrim]

Thanks for the quick and helpful reply! It's working now.

[Klashikari]

We added a link for the mac version, and also rapidshare mirror for both windows and mac patches.



[WH] Umineko 4 v4.0, 41.51MB (rar file) (http://www.mediafire.com/?jemtjmvzzg5) | [Mirror: RS] (http://rapidshare.com/files/213010268/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0.rar)
(http://www.mediafire.com/?jzxwny2ughr)
[WH] Umineko 4 v4.0 for MAC OSX, 41.86MB (rar file) (http://www.mediafire.com/?hyjwjmzimtm) | [Mirror: RS] (http://rapidshare.com/files/213015771/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0_for_Mac.rar)

[Mystearika]

thanks for the patch;) i am really enjoying it

[MuzikalNotes]

O: For once, I'm finally not late! I'm so happy! Man, now I feel happy I'm sick so I can finally enjoy this. I'm pretty sure everyone else has already said this, but I LOVE YOU GUYS!
*goes off to play*

[SnickS]

We put that check in because it seems a lot of people are playing through the game without those songs and don't know it. And if you see that error, you're definitely missing way too many songs to fully enjoy the game.

If you absolutely have to play it without changing your regional settings, copy any ogg file from the BGM folder and rename it '80.ogg'.
We strongly suggest that you only try this if you're already played the game with all the music.

Ah thanks. My friend had a lot of trouble with Japanese fonts on his computer (he couldn't get them working at all), so I adjusted the song names in the gamescript and the soundfiles with Japanese text in them, so that the game could still play those songs for him.
Guess I'll need this trick to get the patch working for him.

Also: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TRANSLATING THIS AMAZING SOUND NOVEL!

Edit:
Just saw the grimoire part. Awesome add to the game.
I was already wondering if you would add the grimoire in the game, since Mion already used a similar hack in her Higurashi patch.

[theacefrehley]

I just tried it here
The sound is kinda strange... and choppy... not very continuous

Any TIP?

[chronotrig]

I just tried it here
The sound is kinda strange... and choppy... not very continuous

Any TIP?

Are you using the version of onscripter-en that came in the new patch (along with the SDL.dll file)?
If you're using an older one, you might be getting the Vista sound bug.

We've had several people check and the sound is working fine on Vista with the new patch.

[theacefrehley]

Are you using the version of onscripter-en that came in the new patch (along with the SDL.dll file)?
If you're using an older one, you might be getting the Vista sound bug.

We've had several people check and the sound is working fine on Vista with the new patch.

Well
I just downloaded the patch and unpacked it
There's a SDL.dll file in the middle of the files, and I'm using the onscripter that was with the patch

I'm using windows XP

The other patch was working fine


-------


Sorry for the trouble

My directx was running with no acceleration
Just boosting it solved

if someone has the same trouble

Start -> Run -> dxdiag
Sound tab
Accelerate it!

[Coruja]

Thank you thank you thank you! You guys are so awesome.:D

Now I really need to buy Episode 4. *-*

[Saerianne]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH!!! <333 Thank you!!!
It was released when I was asleep, so I'm so playing it when I get home from school!

[Usami_Haru]

That's a shame that we couldn't release the patch sunday considering that almost everything was done, but once again, my shitty schedule wasn't exactly helping...
Well, at least it was within our expected deadline so...

Well then, shall we start?

Witch Hunt is proud to announce that the new patch for Umineko no Naku Koro ni is available!

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0891/grimoire1.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0891/grimoire1) http://g.imagehost.org/t/0942/umi4preview1.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0942/umi4preview1) http://g.imagehost.org/t/0347/umi4preview2.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0347/umi4preview2) http://g.imagehost.org/t/0243/umi4preview3.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0243/umi4preview3)


The new patch covers the first 9 chapters of Episode 4, Alliance of the Golden Witch. You can get it with the following links (mediafire, Rapidshare as a mirror linkà:


[WH] Umineko 4 v4.0, 41.51MB (rar file) (http://www.mediafire.com/?jzxwny2ughr) | [Mirror: RS] (http://rapidshare.com/files/212623184/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0.rar)
(http://www.mediafire.com/?jzxwny2ughr)
[WH] Umineko 4 v4.0 for MAC, 41.86MB (rar file) (http://www.mediafire.com/?4enzj2rjcmz) | [Mirror: RS] (http://rapidshare.com/files/212611642/_WH__Umineko_4_v4.0_for_Mac.rar.html)

As usual, please do not overwrite the old patch if you were using it. Rather, please delete it and then install the v4.0. Worry not, the save states are not in the patch folder.

Note: Because of the new feature, it is very likely that any old save state (regardless of the episode) will act up very weirdly most of the time. We suggest you all to make new save state starting from this patch release even for the previous episodes.
Our apologies for this inconvenience.

Please be sure to check the NEW readme file as some specific points must be taken in account for the full use of the patch (a lot of content has been changed, and the format is itself, easier to read).Log of the recent changes
-Chapters 0-9 of Episode 4
-Sound glitch fix working for vista (repeated sound SFX)
-Buttons everlasting "red effect" bug fixed
-Quake freeze bug fixed
-A new feature has been added! Check out the start of any Episode!

Please don’t hesitate to leave your feedbacks, comments, troubleshoots and so forth here!

I checked the readme and notices something weird it says:
absolutely no content of ep4 have been translated did you include the wrong readme or something??

[Klashikari]

That was a line I forgot to edit. Of course, the line should read as "It is only covering the first 3 episodes completely, but only the first 9 chapters of Episode 4 have been translated so far."

[Ace of Dragons]

I've got a bit of a problem.

I downloaded the new patch, but I uninstalled the old ones first and there's no new folder, apparently. I only got the WINRAR file. I'm not sure if there's something wrong with the computer or if I'm doing something wrong. Can you tell me how to replace the deleted one?

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7264/dilema.th.png (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dilema.png)

[crazysjd89]

Did you check to make sure WinRAR, or whichever program you're using, extracted the folder into the game folder and not some random other place on your computer?

[Ace of Dragons]

Did you check to make sure WinRAR, or whichever program you're using, extracted the folder into the game folder and not some random other place on your computer?


My computer didn't let me choose where to save it. I just clicked 'download' & 'save' and it showed up on my desktop when it finished.

[chronotrig]

My computer didn't let me choose where to save it. I just clicked 'download' & 'save' and it showed up on my desktop when it finished.

You have to unpack the rar file. Google winrar and download it if you haven't already, then extract the patch folder.

[GyroidFanatic]

You know that everything's *inside* the WinRAR file, right?

[Karen Ishigami]

I also have a problem...

I installed the patch, and it keeps telling me that I have to set the regional language to Japanese or to install the music files, but I have everything and executed the program on AppLocale too. I also reinstalled it again, getting the same files, and the patch is telling me that.

Any suggestions?

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

Sorry for the trouble

My directx was running with no acceleration
Just boosting it solved

if someone has the same trouble

Start -> Run -> dxdiag
Sound tab
Accelerate it!

Yup, the new patch actually uses DirectSound like it should (that's the "audio fix"), so you need to be sure your settings are right ;)

Let us know if you find other problems with playing Umineko, I'm working out onscripter issues this week :)

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[Ace of Dragons]

You know that everything's *inside* the WinRAR file, right?

You have to unpack the rar file. Google winrar and download it if you haven't already, then extract the patch folder.

Ah... Thanks for telling me that. Now I'm just having the same problem as Karen Ishigami.

[chronotrig]

Alright, let's try and fix this now.

There are a few problems when using Applocale with our patch, so if you're getting the 'regional language settings' error screen, this is how you can fix it:


Find the Umineko game disk, right-click it, and select open.
Find the 3 folders called BGM, sys_se, and SE.
Copy those folders into your game folder (Program Files\07th_Expansion\Umineko4), and tell it to overwrite all files.

Also remember to run the game with Applocale every time if you haven't set your regional settings to Japanese.

[Hareoic]

Wow... Long Patch is Long. And I'm not even halfway through the episode...

[Ace of Dragons]

Alright, let's try and fix this now.

There are a few problems when using Applocale with our patch, so if you're getting the 'regional language settings' error screen, this is how you can fix it:


Find the Umineko game disk, right-click it, and select open.
Find the 3 folders called BGM, sys_se, and SE.
Copy those folders into your game folder (Program Files\07th_Expansion\Umineko4), and tell it to overwrite all files.

Also remember to run the game with Applocale every time if you haven't set your regional settings to Japanese.

Thanks for your help again. Hopefully, this'll be my last question, since it's still not working (Clearly, I lack comprehension skills and/or computer skills). What's applocale? And you just copy the files, right? You don't cut them from the folder, do you?

[Proto]

Reporting that the game is working under Linux, with onscripter svn version 20090110. The only bug I can report is that it sometimes switches between fullscreen and windowed mode on its own, but it's kind of sporadic and I haven't been able to find a pattern, other than it happening when a paragraph ends up sowing (and you get that page like icon at the end of the line, instead of the arrow).

[Goose Boy]

OMG! This is so long! Sorry guys... I thought we pressed you a little... O.o

[crazysjd89]

Thanks for your help again. Hopefully, this'll be my last question, since it's still not working (Clearly, I lack comprehension skills and/or computer skills). What's applocale? And you just copy the files, right? You don't cut them from the folder, do you?

AppLocale is a Windows Application that allows you to run a program in a certain "locale" without changing your whole Windows setting to it.

I prefer changing the Windows settings, though.

Also, out of curiousity, if you didn't know how to extract a RAR file, how did you extract the Umineko opening movies?

[bahamut zero]

Is it possible to transfer save's between the different episodes? up till now I only had Episode 3 installed, now I installed Episode 4 and obviously everything I unlocked before (TIPS, Teapartys, everything) is not there anymore....

Edit: Don't bother, I just tried the unlocking function, everything works as before

[ClockWorkAngel]

That was an exciting two days XD. Great fun. I lol at the result from the Both option at the end. It was great.

[Jan-Poo]

that's the first i checked XD then i did the other two °°

[Mystearika]

the both option creeped me out:heh: i was sure something was going to scare you with a loud sound

but i like it at the same time

[UnknownBeast]

WUT!? You can click them as choices?

*loads up game* *loads up savestate* *clicks first choice*

...

*clicks second choice*

... ... ... ¬__¬


*clicks third choice*

... WHAT THE CRAP.


Something's telling me that those "last minute edits" and "bugs" was for this.
¬_____¬

[tcaz2]

WUT!? You can click them as choices?

*loads up game* *loads up savestate* *clicks first choice*

...

*clicks second choice*

... ... ... ¬__¬


*clicks third choice*

... WHAT THE CRAP.


Something's telling me that those "last minute edits" and "bugs" was for this.
¬_____¬


Make sure to pick the second option a couple times.

[UnknownBeast]

^Replied on the OTher forum, tcaz. *cackle*

Ok, I don't want answers from those who already know but..
We have 2 message bottles. Which are both different in content, and indicate that everyone from the Ushiromiya family died.

This way, I'm looking now at Umineko at this angle

1. Episodes 1 and 2 are the what if's of the Rokkenjima incident, the stories inside those 2 message bottles. They are shown to us as it is.

2. Episode 3 is what happened, or rather as Ange put it, where the plans of the culprit didn't go according to plan. This is the world that results to Ushiromiya Ange's unhappiness.

Well, I'll need to distract myself again with other things or else I'm going to die of waiting.

Yup, I'm also looking at it that way.. but, the repetitions exist. I don't think they're simple stories in a bottle.

Yet, why have they become written stories in a bottle? Is it because 'the person in the center of the repetition'/'Beatrice'/'the culprit'? failed in this game and gives out the notes to enforce it's existence or something?

How should one really look at this overall?

I'm so confused.. @_@

[Klashikari]

Something's telling me that those "last minute edits" and "bugs" was for this.
¬_____¬
We announced that the last minute required for the patch were the edits and bugs, and we maintain this claim (which is rather a fact).
The omakes you saw so far were always done right after the first translation draft was made, which was absolutely not affecting by any means the releasing date.
That is because we always go through translation first, and then afterwards, the editing and the qualitycheck/testing. Ergo, absolutely nothing related to the delay.
And honestly, I don't see any of us having fun into belating a patch for the hell of it.

I would like you to stop doing such assumption. Feel free however to report us critics of the actual content, especially the typo and the grammer issues.

[Jan-Poo]

especially the typo and grammar issues

uh about that, isn't "Zucchini" more appropriate than "Zuccini"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zucchini

I see that if you try to search "Zuccini" it gets redirected.

[Klashikari]

Good catch, we are going to put that on the "to do" list for the second patch.
If you have more things to report, please send us a PM.

[UnknownBeast]

Well, the supposed 'delay to add the stuff' was just around a day or two, "It's okay if that was true", is what I had in mind.

I wasn't that happy seeing it since I wanted more of Umineko. 'Greed' you know, not the good kind. :/

Sorry for making such a conjecture.

[Usami_Haru]

I wonder How do I deleate my save states is it just that I can let them be and owerwrite one of them everytime I save or do I need to dealeate a file or something

[Karen Ishigami]

Alright, let's try and fix this now.

There are a few problems when using Applocale with our patch, so if you're getting the 'regional language settings' error screen, this is how you can fix it:


Find the Umineko game disk, right-click it, and select open.
Find the 3 folders called BGM, sys_se, and SE.
Copy those folders into your game folder (Program Files\07th_Expansion\Umineko4), and tell it to overwrite all files.

Also remember to run the game with Applocale every time if you haven't set your regional settings to Japanese.

Thank you very much! The game works perfectly fine now.

[Hareoic]

I really like the grimoire function that was added. Very helpful.

[Orophin]

I just finished what's translated so far for Episode 4 and you guys really did a great job on the patch.

I know I've said it a lot but thank you again for translating this wonderful Sound Novel for us! :D

[Psycho13in308]

Just finished this and the both option will forever haunt me.
Also since you asked for some corrections I had read this on an image board about a day ago:
"Witch Hunt doesn't know the difference between "who" and "whom" and it's really bothering me."
I'm not really too sure on the locations as I didn't notice though, but i thought you would want to know.

[k//eternal]

The only people that should "really bother" are hardcore grammar nazis... however, I suppose I can take another look at it.

If you'd be so kind, can you ask this person to point out locations? The options are either that I sift the script for every instance of these two words which will probably make me cry, or get help from someone who's already seen the issue... particularly if the issue is that "who" was used where "whom" should have been, since the latter is less common.

The only instance of "whom" in EP4 seems to be "When you become a full witch, you may not only be a match for me, but might instead grow into a Great Witch whom I must acknowledge as superior."

This is correct usage ("I must acknowledge *"), so I'm assuming it's the opposite problem.

EDIT: Just checked every "whom" in the entire script. (Luckily there aren't terribly many.) They're correct. I don't have time to check each "who" right now, though.

[ramlaen]

Alright, let's try and fix this now.

There are a few problems when using Applocale with our patch, so if you're getting the 'regional language settings' error screen, this is how you can fix it:


Find the Umineko game disk, right-click it, and select open.
Find the 3 folders called BGM, sys_se, and SE.
Copy those folders into your game folder (Program Files\07th_Expansion\Umineko4), and tell it to overwrite all files.

Also remember to run the game with Applocale every time if you haven't set your regional settings to Japanese.

Thank you this fixed my problem, you might want to add it to the readme for the next patch if this persists.

[777chris777]

There was one point I noticed, although I forgot to save the screenshot, where it said 'an' something (where it should have said 'a' something). Can't remember where it was off the top of my head unfortunately as I was too busy enjoying the story XD. Very minor, nothing worth killing over, but just incase anybody else notices whilst going through (again?) ;o I won't have time for a while unfortunately so just thought I'd point it out :P

Loved the multiple timeframe/dimensions outlook of the episode so far. Makes things much more interesting :D

[Rei-Tenshi]

Really good job on the patch.


I'd just like to point this out, though.
Why did Belphegor's name suddenly become Belphagor?
In Eps 1-3, and even in the Tips, it was Belphegor.

[Jan-Poo]

There was one point I noticed, although I forgot to save the screenshot, where it said 'an' something (where it should have said 'a' something). Can't remember where it was off the top of my head unfortunately as I was too busy enjoying the story XD. Very minor, nothing worth killing over, but just incase anybody else notices whilst going through (again?) ;o I won't have time for a while unfortunately so just thought I'd point it out :P

Is it "an honor" said by Ronove on episode4? The rules about the "n" in front of words starting with "h" is kinda confusing. In this case it's correct.

Why did Belphegor's name suddenly become Belphagor?

Ah, i was confused myself about this, but i thought it was me the one who remembered it wrong XD

[Lothies]

Thank you for the translation! i really enjoyed it! keep it up :D.

[777chris777]

Is it "an honor" said by Ronove on episode4? The rules about the "n" in front of words starting with "h" is kinda confusing. In this case it's correct.



Ah, i was confused myself about this, but i thought it was me the one who remembered it wrong XD

I think the second word began with s actually, but I can't really say I remember perfectly. An honour sounds right, so it wouldn't be that :P

[k//eternal]

How about "an sickeningly kind voice"? Just sighted that based on your "hint".

If anyone runs into a typo in EP4, you can toss me a PM (preferably with the sentence in question... you don't have to screencap it if you have the text down exactly since I can search the script for it) and I'll include the correction with any other edits for the next patch.

[USCPharmacist]

H is silent in Honor people :)

[777chris777]

Ah yes eternal, that sounds more like it^^ I can't believe it didnt occur to me that you could just search the script, otherwise I probably would have pmed at first :S

[Shadow Miko]

I keep getting an error when I try to play. I installed the game by copy it and pasting it into the program files and the error I get says that is the problem. But I can't install the game because it freezes up when I try to install it like it says. Can someone help me? I really want to play.

[Ankoku-chan]

Is there any way I can keep my previous Ep.4 data (ver.3) even after I install ver.4?

[Marion]

I keep getting an error when I try to play. I installed the game by copy it and pasting it into the program files and the error I get says that is the problem. But I can't install the game because it freezes up when I try to install it like it says. Can someone help me? I really want to play.
I had a similar problem such as you are having. Note: I'm not sure if this will work if you use Vista, but if you have XP like I do then it should be fine:


1. Go to My Computer. Make sure the Umineko 4 disc is in your disk drive obviously. When My Computer opens right click the umineko icon under Devices with Removeable Storage (the icon should be part of Battler's face).

2. Click 'Explore' option when you right click. A new window should open up, and should look like this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/fblzyo.jpg

Now 'X' out of this window for a moment. Go into 'My Documents' and make a new folder. Call it 'Umineko 4' or whatever. I suggest you take that folder and put it on your desktop for the time being to make things easier.

3. Now go back to the window in Step 2, while keeping your 'Umineko 4' folder opened (you can do this by reopening My Computer on a different window). Now simply transfer everything from the D drive Explorer window into your Umineko 4 folder - EXCEPT FOR THE FULLSCR DATA.

4. After doing that, open the Fullscr data folder from the D drive window and copy all the files inside of there into the 'Umineko 4' folder, but create no sub folder for it okay!

5. Almost done. Download the patch and put that [WH] folder into the Umineko 4 folder. Open it up, load up the onscriptor and you should be able to play!

6. It should look something like this when done:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2u630j9.jpg

[Avisch]

Is there any way I can keep my previous Ep.4 data (ver.3) even after I install ver.4?

The patch maintains saves (saves aren't located in the patch files).

EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong.

[chronotrig]

Is there any way I can keep my previous Ep.4 data (ver.3) even after I install ver.4?

Actually, no. Sorry, but save files from earlier versions are not compatible with the new patch.
However, you can unlock the chapter select function by unlocking EP4, which should lower the amount of text you have to skip.

Fortunately, this should be the last time save files get crushed in our patches, at least for the question arcs (the original game had similar problems).

[Aeriven]

I had a bit of an issue with the Mac version of the new EP 4 patch. I assume that, once I put the [WH] Umineko English folder in the RAR file into the Umineko4 folder, that I only had to double-click on Onscripter to run the game, right? When I tried to do that, Onscripter would try to open (I'd see it briefly appear in the dock), but then it'd immediately disappear and wouldn't open the game. On a hunch, I downloaded the Onscripter in chronotrig's post a while back (quoted below), and copied the Onscripter-En into the folder; the game worked when I opened it with this Onscripter.

There is a Mac version for onscripter, which you can get from here (http://www.sendspace.com/file/8pvwno).
This actually fixes a sound bug that is in the Windows version and has all of the game effects added, so it's just about the best build out there.

Was I just doing something wrong, or has this happened for all the Mac users?

[Christen]

Mikachiru, are those unintentional spoilers?

[Mikachiru]

Mikachiru, are those unintentional spoilers?

I think so...Sorry.:confused:

[Shadow Miko]

I had a similar problem such as you are having. Note: I'm not sure if this will work if you use Vista, but if you have XP like I do then it should be fine:


1. Go to My Computer. Make sure the Umineko 4 disc is in your disk drive obviously. When My Computer opens right click the umineko icon under Devices with Removeable Storage (the icon should be part of Battler's face).

2. Click 'Explore' option when you right click. A new window should open up, and should look like this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/fblzyo.jpg

Now 'X' out of this window for a moment. Go into 'My Documents' and make a new folder. Call it 'Umineko 4' or whatever. I suggest you take that folder and put it on your desktop for the time being to make things easier.

3. Now go back to the window in Step 2, while keeping your 'Umineko 4' folder opened (you can do this by reopening My Computer on a different window). Now simply transfer everything from the D drive Explorer window into your Umineko 4 folder - EXCEPT FOR THE FULLSCR DATA.

4. After doing that, open the Fullscr data folder from the D drive window and copy all the files inside of there into the 'Umineko 4' folder, but create no sub folder for it okay!

5. Almost done. Download the patch and put that [WH] folder into the Umineko 4 folder. Open it up, load up the onscriptor and you should be able to play!

6. It should look something like this when done:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2u630j9.jpg


orz Thank you!! This helped me alot. But I still get an error about the music files/language (below). I saw the guide but that's for XP.... so?

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8528/umn4.png

OTL Sorry, any help?

[chronotrig]

Shadow Miko, try refreshing the webpage and redownloading the link to the patch. There was a small problem with our error checker in the first version, but it's fixed now.

Also, if you haven't set your computer to Japanese local or use applocale, you won't be able run the patch.

[Shadow Miko]

Okay, I'll try that. I can change the settings in the control panel and such the same way though right in Vista?

[777chris777]

@shadow miko

Assuming you mean "can I change the locale in vista", yes you can in ultimate edition but I'm not certain of the other, more commonly used versions. Following from one of my old posts, this guide is for xp, but the process in vista is similar (Unfortunately I cannot show a vista guide as I reverted my only vista computer to xp)


Assuming you have windows xp, what's shown in the image under the spoiler, is how to set locale to japanese properly:

http://i41.tinypic.com/339qeya.jpg

Assuming you have the east asian language pack installed, and follow the steps in the picture, it really should work :@

I'm not sure what the language capabilities of vista are (for versions other than ultimate) so hopefully you can do something similar.

In vista, you dont have the whole uh... bunch of buttons in step 3, but yeah, hopefully you can figure it out as the first 2 and last 2 steps are similar.

When the settings are in place, assuming you can do it with vista, you should be able to install the game, and hopefully run it correctly as intended. :S

...

Also after all that ramble (hopefully it made sense), if you meant something else, I'm sorry, but I couldn't interpret what you said differently.

[Lothies]

First of all, good work with hunt! i really enjoyed this patch!

But there's one thing i think you must add in the grimoire for non-english readers:

What's a kakera? by context i sorted out they were like "fragments" or something like that.

I tried searching the word on the internet but that confused me even more.

[Klashikari]

The kakera is explained both in the in-game notes of episode 1, and in the grimoire document for episode 1.

[izmosmolnar]

Sorry to trouble you guys. I think you folks deserve a huge Thank You for the all the great accomplishment up till now, and in my opinion you guys did a great job so far (I've only played a few hours with Umineko). However something started to bug me while I was playing, and I didnt found any solution whatsoever on that.
I'm not sure if someone else already asked that (I've started to read through all 73 pages, but eventually gave up), but is there any way to turn down or mute the music in the game?

The thing is Violin is really not my type and while I understand it is really effective in creeping me out in the scary scenes, I cannot bear it really during the peaceful dialogs etc. The other thing is that my interest used to fluctuate whatever I play/watch whereas I used to leave the game for a while and browse something else in the meantime, however Umineko's loud Violin music just keeps blaring out from my speakers, and I kinda want to turn it down during these times. (It's a bit troublesome to save/exit/start program/load all the time).
I'm not saying the music is bad (it is actually quite good, makes excellent atmosphere), it's just I'd like to turn it down sometimes, but I haven't found any options to do so.
Thanks in advance, keep up the good work (hats off to you guys)

[Ace of Dragons]

Random question.

When words are typed like thi~s or thi-s (can't think of an example off the top of my head, but I think Beato uses it a lot), how should we read them? Are they slurred, or emphasized, or something? Also, how d'you pronounce Lambdadelta and Krauss?

[Proto]

In the case of Lambda-Delta, it's the same as in the greek letters (in case you have never encountered them which would surprise me given that they are used since junior high level physics and maths, Delta would be pronounced the same as in 'Delta airlines', the company. Lambda, the first part could be pronounced as in lamb, the da could be pronounced as the da in dandy.

As for Krauss, the Kra could be pronounced as in Kraft, the food company. Hmm... I can't think of a simil for a simil for the uss part.

as for the thi~s thingy, yeah, they are intended to be slurred.

[chronotrig]

is there any way to turn down or mute the music in the game?

Nope, sorry.

[izmosmolnar]

Nope, sorry.
Thanks for the quick answer. Well it's a strange decision that they left out the option to do so.

[Tjfarmer]

Well, considering its called a Sound Novel, and it focuses on the music to set the mood, why would they want to put something to turn off music? :P

[777chris777]

I agree that during episode 1, the music for the rather long introduction of the characters started to piss me off a bit too, though it definitely improved so much later on that I wouldn't consider trying to play without it^^ Anyway, if you find it frustrating I recommend turning off your speakers (or headset or whatever) or adjusting the speakers to be quiter for the duration of the (rather long) scene, or until you feel like listening to it again^^

If you can't adjust the sound externally, then, try alt+tab (minimise hotkeys), adjust the sound, then maximise again :S

[Jan-Poo]

As anyone said you just need to turn off the speakers or the windows volume control. Unless you want to listen to your own mp3 while playing... as a drastic system you could create a void .ogg file with no sound and then replace all of the existing .ogg with it (changing name files accordingly), but do you hate umineko's music to that extent?

[izmosmolnar]

As anyone said you just need to turn off the speakers or the windows volume control. Unless you want to listen to your own mp3 while playing... as a drastic system you could create a void .ogg file with no sound and then replace all of the existing .ogg with it (changing name files accordingly), but do you hate umineko's music to that extent?
I've thought of changing the name of the BGM folder, but decided against it, as I don't really want to mess with it that much, and maybe even risk a reinstall, replay.

Well no as I said, I don't hate it (actually I rather like it, it is completely needed to feel the creepy atmosphere), but whenever I'm alt tabbing or whatever I'm surfing on the internet in the meantime (it's usually rare when I'm entirely immersely focused on VNs, therefore I keep alttabing like every hour for a bit depends on my focus), however I'm a bit lazy to save quit, relaunch and reload 5 minutes later, just because I wanted to do something else which needs sound. That's why I was hoping if there might be somesort of hidden inbuilt volume setting implemented. It's not a big deal though, especially if the music really improves at the later parts so much that it keeps me entirely immersed.

[Lothies]

The kakera is explained both in the in-game notes of episode 1, and in the grimoire document for episode 1.

Really? Damn, my friends and me missed it then x_x, sorry for asking.

[Christen]

If you're using Vista, I believe it has selective volume control?

[Jan-Poo]

I've thought of changing the name of the BGM folder, but decided against it, as I don't really want to mess with it that much, and maybe even risk a reinstall, replay.

Well no as I said, I don't hate it (actually I rather like it, it is completely needed to feel the creepy atmosphere), but whenever I'm alt tabbing or whatever I'm surfing on the internet in the meantime (it's usually rare when I'm entirely immersely focused on VNs, therefore I keep alttabing like every hour for a bit depends on my focus), however I'm a bit lazy to save quit, relaunch and reload 5 minutes later, just because I wanted to do something else which needs sound. That's why I was hoping if there might be somesort of hidden inbuilt volume setting implemented. It's not a big deal though, especially if the music really improves at the later parts so much that it keeps me entirely immersed.

If it's only to surf internet, then just disable wave volume on your sound control.

[Mikachiru]

What happened to the music box in Ep. 1?

[izmosmolnar]

Just a few things I have noticed:
Is anyone else experienced serious lagging during the scenes where the rain is shown onscreen? Even though my computer is beyond the recommended requirements, whenever it's raining in the game (the screen only, it's fine with the sound of rain), everything starts lagging, the text appears in slowmotion, and even the blinking text ikon/arrow laggs.

The only bearable solution I invented against that, is that I'm playing by advancing the story with CTRL (skip) key, as it makes it faster a bit, and unlike other Novels it's not that ultrafast.

Of course I pretty much started using CTRL throughout the normal scenes too, but that causes the game to freeze down like every hour or so (it froze down four times and only during times when I'm playing with CTRL advancing method, once in the rain, thrice in indoor normal scenes).
Am I the only one with these issues or is there anyone who experienced these so far?

Edit: Bah last save 3 hours ago...

[tcaz2]

Just a few things I have noticed:
Is anyone else experienced serious lagging during the scenes where the rain is shown onscreen? Even though my computer is beyond the recommended requirements, whenever it's raining in the game (the screen only, it's fine with the sound of rain), everything starts lagging, the text appears in slowmotion, and even the blinking text ikon/arrow laggs.

The only bearable solution I invented against that, is that I'm playing by advancing the story with CTRL (skip) key, as it makes it faster a bit, and unlike other Novels it's not that ultrafast.

Of course I pretty much started using CTRL throughout the normal scenes too, but that causes the game to freeze down like every hour or so (it froze down four times and only during times when I'm playing with CTRL advancing method, once in the rain, thrice in indoor normal scenes).
Am I the only one with these issues or is there anyone who experienced these so far?

Sounds to me like you're using an old patch. I know the control freeze bug was fixed in the Ep4 one, and I haven't been getting lag in the rain scenes in 4 either so I'm assuming that was too.

You just need to upgrade to fix it.

[izmosmolnar]

Sounds to me like you're using an old patch. I know the control freeze bug was fixed in the Ep4 one, and I haven't been getting lag in the rain scenes in 4 either so I'm assuming that was too.

You just need to upgrade to fix it.
Oh I see, that's great. Yeah I'm still using older patch, as I'm still not that far in the story, but if I can get rid of that inconvenience I'm gonna upgrade it asap. Thanks for the help.

[777chris777]

What happened to the music box in Ep. 1?

If you mean that you're using the episode 1 demo game, with the episode 1 patch, then it is because the demo does not include the music box.

Whether it is included in the official game (of episode 1) or not I could not confirm, but I assume so :S

[Klashikari]

That is correct: the music box only appears in the retail version of episode 1, and was needed to unlock the ura tea party.
Since Ryukishi removed the Music Box for the demo, we considered that as a feature that he didn't wish to let it public for the demo, hence we didn't change anything about that.

[Tjfarmer]

Just want to say, for those that didn't have all music transfer over when they installed the game, some Sound Effects might not have installed as well. You may want to check out if that happened, because I was missing a lot of sound effects. Compare the SE, sys_se, and ME folders with the original disk.

[Mikachiru]

If you mean that you're using the episode 1 demo game, with the episode 1 patch, then it is because the demo does not include the music box.

Whether it is included in the official game (of episode 1) or not I could not confirm, but I assume so :S

I actually have Ep. 4. But I was going through the Ep. 1 thread and apparently there's was some secret tea party.

[maximilianjenus]

IIRC, the secret tea party os only secret if you only have the first game, if you are playing it on a latter game disk, you odn't need to unhide it. you should be getting it right after reading the first tea party.

[tcaz2]

Hm, question about something that... not really bugs me but I was just curious about.

How come when someone uses red, the punctuation is sometimes red and sometimes white? Sometimes I'll see a whole page in red including exclamation marks and periods and then next I'll see a whole page in red but the exclamation marks and periods are white.

[Klashikari]

That is because it is in the original script, and we don't know whichever is the correct layout: that the punctuation is included or not (rias actually brought this up in episode4 thread as well).

Since we can't exactly call head or tails, we decided to stick with the script until Ryukishi makes another patch that fix that... or not.


Also, since we don't want to let you guys in the dark, we have to announce sort of "bad news".
Considering the current period of the year, chrono (our main and only translator, as you probably know) will have to take a break in order to invest himself fully for his studies (last quarter). Therefore, we probably won't have any progression for the next 2 months.

Of course, we will work on episode 4 as soon as we got more free time, but at least, you now know why there will be a lack of updates for some time.

[tcaz2]

That... is certainly bad news :(

Well of course I (and hopefully everyone) understand that you all have lives, so I suppose it wasn't too unexpected, but it is definitely bad news. I hope everything goes well for you guys though.

[UnknownBeast]

That's.... really disheartening for me... but I can understand... I'm also hoping for the best for you guys...

Maybe the editors can fix up the Saikoroshi patch in the meanwhile? Hehe, just jokin' ^_^;


... ; _ ;

[ClockWorkAngel]

Best of luck to Chrono, may he come back to us with a smile of achievement. Godspeed!

[Mikachiru]

Hopefully everything will go well for Chrono. Good luck! XD

[bigemperor]

Really MI HEART IS BROKEN i can't believe this =(


Best of luck to Chrono

[Proto]

I guess the other people of Witch Hunt are going to enter their exam term soon as well, but sure, I hope Klashikari's, Mion's and co. luck goes to you, Chrono.

[lovelysan]

Curse you exaaaaaaaaams *shakes fist*

Ahaha, oh well, these things happen, and doing well in studies is the wise choice. Good luck Chrono!

[maximilianjenus]

That's.... really disheartening for me... but I can understand... I'm also hoping for the best for you guys...

Maybe the editors can fix up the Saikoroshi patch in the meanwhile? Hehe, just jokin' ^_^;


... ; _ ;

what saikoroshi patch, I am curious.

[Kitsu]

First of all good Luck Chrono!!
Second...


The prices were granted.
One shall be, all the gold from the Golden Land. [clear]
One shall be, the resurrection of the souls of all the dead. [Kanon maybe not all...but it was said that she didn't had enough power]
One shall be, even the resurrection of the lost love. [Shannon obvious]
One shall be, to put the Witch to sleep for all time. ["Killing" of Beatrice who protected Kanon&Jessica to give them die]

[k//eternal]

Guys, stop sending me PMs about typos and such from anything older than EP3. (I asked about EP4 specifically for a reason, although I will take anything from EP3 because I already edited that and there shouldn't be terribly much left.) EP1 in particular has a massive number of errors and it's much more efficient to just go through the whole game and redo stuff than to sift through my PM box.

[chronotrig]

If you find anything before EP3, you can PM them to me instead.
I'll add them once I get back to translating.

Edit: Just make sure you only send things found in the latest EP4 patch.
The demo version is out of date.

[Vibeke]

I don't want to search trough 70some pages for solution, here's my 'problem':

Right now I only have the original cd for episode 2, some time ago I played ep. 1, and now I would like to play the 2nd one. Is there some other way to play it than buying cd with ep4, because on the Witch Hunt page I can only find the patch for this one. Was there a patch for translated episode 2, which was compatible with ep. 2 cd?

Thanks in advance for help!

PS. I'm planning to buy ep 4 cd, but currently I can't access paletweb site to check how much money I must save to buy it :eyebrow:

[Orophin]

Right now I only have the original cd for episode 2, some time ago I played ep. 1, and now I would like to play the 2nd one. Is there some other way to play it than buying cd with ep4, because on the Witch Hunt page I can only find the patch for this one. Was there a patch for translated episode 2, which was compatible with ep. 2 cd?

Thanks in advance for help!

It's right there: http://witch-hunt.com/links.html

[Vibeke]

Oh, silly me :heh: I guess I looked in the wrong section.
Thanks for help! :D

[Ichy]

I love this game so much!
Thank you Witch Hunt for translating this! :)

[SPC1st]

Has anyone had problems with the 4.0 OS X patch? The executable won't run at all for me (on OS X Leopard). I tried replacing it with the demo onscripter, but then saving won't work. I just crashes back to the desktop whenever I try to save. Curiously enough, if I try running Onscripter on the original game, the save files do register, but only while the game is running. After restarting, they all disappear. Any ideas for this?

Edit: I think it might partially due to a permissions thing, as when copying from the DVD everything is read only. I changed a couple of folders/files to be read-write, and then tried renaming and moving the patch into the main folder, which managed to work with correct saving (sometimes - it still sporadically flushes the saves apparently). Still can't get to having the patch in the folder. Where are the save files for the OS X version stored? I've read in this thread that it's stored in the registry files for the Windows version, but is there something like that on Mac?

[Ankoku-chan]

There's no Umineko merchandise thread, so I guess I'll post here:

http://umineko.tv/web/main/collection/dramacd.html

Does anyone know what this CD has to do with Umineko?

[Varion]

There's no Umineko merchandise thread, so I guess I'll post here:

http://umineko.tv/web/main/collection/dramacd.html

Does anyone know what this CD has to do with Umineko?
It's mostly a Higurashi drama CD, but has a few Umineko characters (Battler, Jessica, Maria) cameo in it.

[chronotrig]

It's mostly a Higurashi drama CD, but has a few Umineko characters (Battler, Jessica, Maria) cameo in it.

Wait, don't stop there.

The other thing mentioned on that page is what they're calling a 'navigation drama CD' for Umineko. Apparently, it's a way for fans to get to know the cast before the anime comes out. And it'll 'reproduce some scenes from the game'.

...It looks like Battler, Jessica, Maria, George, Kanon, Shannon, and Beatrice will be voiced.

[PenquinDude]

Reporting that the game is working under Linux, with onscripter svn version 20090110. The only bug I can report is that it sometimes switches between fullscreen and windowed mode on its own, but it's kind of sporadic and I haven't been able to find a pattern, other than it happening when a paragraph ends up sowing (and you get that page like icon at the end of the line, instead of the arrow).

I'm trying to compile the latest svn version of OnScripter, but I keep getting an error message while compiling, would you happen to know what libraries it needs?

If anyone can has some experience with it, the error message is

g++ -c -O2 -Wpointer-arith -Werror -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -Wall -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize -msse -Iextlib/include -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/smpeg -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/freetype2 -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include -Iextlib/include/SDL -DLINUX -DUSE_OGG_VORBIS -DENABLE_1BYTE_CHAR -DINSANI -DHAELETH ScriptHandler.cpp
cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors
ScriptHandler.cpp: In member function ‘void ScriptHandler::saveKidokuData()’:
ScriptHandler.cpp:659: error: ignoring return value of ‘size_t fwrite(const void*, size_t, size_t, FILE*)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
ScriptHandler.cpp: In member function ‘void ScriptHandler::loadKidokuData()’:
ScriptHandler.cpp:672: error: ignoring return value of ‘size_t fread(void*, size_t, size_t, FILE*)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
ScriptHandler.cpp: In member function ‘int ScriptHandler::readScript(DirPaths*)’:
ScriptHandler.cpp:991: error: ignoring return value of ‘char* fgets(char*, int, FILE*)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
make: *** [ScriptHandler.o] Error 1


Which doesn't really help me much, since I've just started with Unix based systems.

[Proto]

Well, we could go the hard way an solve those errors as we should be supposed to. (carefully solving each problem) Or we can grab the solve it all hammer and pound them indiscriminately


sudo apt-get build-dep onscripter


This will download and install all the dependencies you need for onscripter. After that you can try making onscripter again.

If you want to try the first solution, you could open your configure file and delete all those pesky Werror flags.

[Ankoku-chan]

Wait, don't stop there.

The other thing mentioned on that page is what they're calling a 'navigation drama CD' for Umineko. Apparently, it's a way for fans to get to know the cast before the anime comes out. And it'll 'reproduce some scenes from the game'.

...It looks like Battler, Jessica, Maria, George, Kanon, Shannon, and Beatrice will be voiced.

OOO~ I really wanna hear it then ^_^ When is it coming out?

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

I'm trying to compile the latest svn version of OnScripter, but I keep getting an error message while compiling, would you happen to know what libraries it needs?

If anyone can has some experience with it, the error message is

g++ -c -O2 -Wpointer-arith -Werror -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -Wall -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize -msse -Iextlib/include -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/smpeg -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include/freetype2 -I/home/***/onscripter/trunk/extlib/include -Iextlib/include/SDL -DLINUX -DUSE_OGG_VORBIS -DENABLE_1BYTE_CHAR -DINSANI -DHAELETH ScriptHandler.cpp
cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors
ScriptHandler.cpp: In member function ‘void ScriptHandler::saveKidokuData()’:
ScriptHandler.cpp:659: error: ignoring return value of ‘size_t fwrite(const void*, size_t, size_t, FILE*)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
ScriptHandler.cpp: In member function ‘void ScriptHandler::loadKidokuData()’:
ScriptHandler.cpp:672: error: ignoring return value of ‘size_t fread(void*, size_t, size_t, FILE*)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
ScriptHandler.cpp: In member function ‘int ScriptHandler::readScript(DirPaths*)’:
ScriptHandler.cpp:991: error: ignoring return value of ‘char* fgets(char*, int, FILE*)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
make: *** [ScriptHandler.o] Error 1


Which doesn't really help me much, since I've just started with Unix based systems.

Damn, I thought I'd caught all those...
I'll post after I update the svn.

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[PenquinDude]

Well, we could go the hard way an solve those errors as we should be supposed to. (carefully solving each problem) Or we can grab the solve it all hammer and pound them indiscriminately


sudo apt-get build-dep onscripter


This will download and install all the dependencies you need for onscripter. After that you can try making onscripter again.

If you want to try the first solution, you could open your configure file and delete all those pesky Werror flags.

Deleted the Werror flags, reconfigured, and ran a make clean, and its now compiled, installed and seemingly working fine, thanks a lot.

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

Deleted the Werror flags, reconfigured, and ran a make clean, and its now compiled, installed and seemingly working fine, thanks a lot.

Hmm, okay, but please do try the svn update I just made.

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[chronotrig]

OOO~ I really wanna hear it then ^_^ When is it coming out?

The first one comes out 6/24, and the second 7/23.

It says they'll be coming out before the anime, but that's no surprise given the dates.

[Auria]

Since it isn't a big question and onscripter issues are sometimes discussed here..^^""

--> I have the nsaout.exe three times on my hard disc in higurashi/umineko directories and everytime my Avira comes across them, they are marked as "TR/Killfiles.anv" -> Malware. I doubt that they are really dangerous and that this analyzation is done because of some details in the structure of the programm but I thought it's more safe to ask if they really aren't dangerous o_O"

[Varion]

Wait, don't stop there.

The other thing mentioned on that page is what they're calling a 'navigation drama CD' for Umineko. Apparently, it's a way for fans to get to know the cast before the anime comes out. And it'll 'reproduce some scenes from the game'.

...It looks like Battler, Jessica, Maria, George, Kanon, Shannon, and Beatrice will be voiced.
...Dammit, I didn't notice the scroll bar and only saw the first CD :heh: Thanks.

[Quorum]

Hn ? That's strange. .

[lovelysan]

Recently, I've felt myself Jonesin' (more than ussual) for some more Umineko-y goodness. What the status on the book learnin' oh translator :) ?

[Klashikari]

No change whatsoever. As stated, you will have to wait for june before there will be any proper progression or so.

[Jan-Poo]

I have a question about the first sentence of the witch's epitaph

According to what i got the original is shown as follow:

懐かしき、故郷を貫く鮎の川。

Which should be transliterated into:

Natsukashiki, kokyou o tsuranuku ayu no kawa. <- I hope I didn't mess up.

What bothers me is that comma. I have limited knowledge about japanese so i'm guessing that "natsukashiki" is the same as "natsukashii". So uhm... is it normal in japanese to separate adjectives and nouns with commas? °°;
Does that "natsukashiki" (beloved, nostalgic) really refer to kokyou "homeland"?

[theacefrehley]

懐かしき is an old form of 懐かしい.
It's become what it is now just by dropping the k-sound... (and before き-endings, there were し-endings, from what I read )


Well, as a self-student, I'm not that knowledgeable (ignorant) but, I guess there's also this possibility:


For the sake of organization, as there are two 'adjectives' to river of the sweetfishes:

1st adjective = 懐かしき
2nd 'adjective' (a relative clause) = 故郷を貫く ;

The coma could be indicating that 懐かしき links to 鮎の川

Without the coma, 懐かしき故郷, it'd be clear that 懐かしき links to 故郷.

Again
I'm not very used to poetry too
So, what I said might be just bullshit... Besides, it makes more sense for a hometown to be dear than a river...
Whatever

[Jan-Poo]

Yeah it certainly would make sense to think it is referred to hometown, but the comma itself does make sense?
I know as usual this might just be an overly analysis of minor facts, but still why this comma here?

I've made i few researches on google and i found this:

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:q6UOHYh5A28J:haikuguy.com/issa/search.php%3Fkeywords%3D%26romaji%3Dsora%26comment %3D%26year%3D+natsukashiki+old&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk

here "natsukashiki" is standing alone and is it translated as "like old times". Is it possible that in the epitaph "natsukashiki" doesn't refer to anything in particular but it just serves the purpose of recalling the past?

[theacefrehley]

Beware dude

Poetry is usually translated very loosely, to try to preserve the original 'magic', mood, feel, whatever... (:heh:)
Otherwise, a literal translation would make it very 'cold' and not-poetic

And it can perfectly mean 'nostalgic', missing, dear, something you miss, you wanted close, but is not
It is an adjective

[Jan-Poo]

Yeah i know, but japanese is a language that often omits words.

I learned the meaning of "natsukashii" by frequently hearing it in various fansubs. Of course when a word is pronounced alone chances that i learn what does it mean are very high. Natsukashii happens to be be a word that is frequently pronounced alone without adding anything after that, and in that case 90% of fansubbers translate it as: "how nostalgic".

Now this case is a little problematic to me. "natsukashiki" is not exactly alone here, and i can't really imagine what should be implied if it was, this would lead me to think that therefore it is tied on what is shown next. But if that's the case why putting the comma there? As far as i known punctuation is something that has been borrowed by western languages and definitely you should not place a comma between an adjective and the related noun. In a few words: there was no real reason for Kinzo to use that comma there, unless he wanted to clarify that nastukashiki and kokyou are two separated things. Chigaimasuka?

[777chris777]

It may have been asked elsewhere, sorry if I've missed it, but the post was made within the last 24 hours as far as I can tell. On the umineko animes homepage HERE (http://umineko.tv/web/main/index.html) is it suggesting that the anime is going to start airing in July 2009?

I can't read much of it, but what I do pick up is

TV ANIME
2009 July ...?
Television ....?

The majority of the kanji are beyond my very low level of japanese

Anyway, anyone wanna confirm for me? :D :D :D

*excited excited*

[Jan-Poo]

See the proper thread ^_-

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=68713&page=26

[NeoWorm]

I have a little idea. I dont know if something like this wasnt mentioned before in this thread (I dont want to read through all 78 pages).
My main locale is Czech and I have a lot of programs that require Czech locale so playing Umineko with background music requires changing locale and restarting PC (I hate Vista). The main reason why BGM cant be played when using non JP locale is the usage of japanese symbols in names of the files. Would it be possible to make alternative translation patch that will load different files as a music - the ones that arent using japanese symbols? Than simple batch file that renames .ogg files in music directory will enable music even when playing with different locale.
I tried to hack into game code and do it myself, but all utilities to extract content of .nsa files dont work for me. Not to mention that I dont know anything about ONScripter code syntax (I want to learn it but there are almost none english guides).

[Jan-Poo]

I dunno if this is feasible but the main problem is that you'll have to manually rename the ogg files since witch-hunt will not include those files in the patch.

[maximilianjenus]

Yes, he already said he will simply use a batch file to do the renaming.

[chronotrig]

Actually, there is a simpler solution.

Try applying this (http://07th-expansion.net/umi/Support/Patch/umiEP4patch.zip) patch from the official website to your original game.

To use this patch, just move all individual files in it into your Umineko4 folder, then run umi4patch.bat.

Doing this will not only change the BGM files to non-Japanese names that our patch is also compatible with, but will also update the script for the original game so you can run that too without missing tracks.


A warning though: there are several sound and music effects with Japanese characters which are not effected by this.

[NeoWorm]

Nice, thank you. Does the patch for episode 3 work the same way? I dont have ep 4 yet.

Maybe adding that info to the readme could be really useful for your readers btw.

[chronotrig]

We haven't been pushing it too much since it doesn't handle all the sound effects.
When the next patch comes out, maybe we'll add in a batch that does everything. We would need to update the script file as well, which complicates things a bit.

[rogerpepitone]

IIRC, locales are only used for non-unicode programs. If onscripter-en were rewritten to use be fully unicode, it wouldn't matter what locale the computer had set. Has Mion looked into doing that?

[Jan-Poo]

i have two silly questions:

1) Is there a way to select a chapter to start from? Can i jump to a certain point or is that impossible except for saved games?

2) Where the saved games info are stored? There's a "gloval.sav" file on main directory but it looks like saved games created from the onscripter only works there and not on the original game.

[Ace of Dragons]

i have two silly questions:

1) Is there a way to select a chapter to start from? Can i jump to a certain point or is that impossible except for saved games?


When you finish an Episode, you can go back and select which chapter you want to start at.

[Jan-Poo]

Ah i finally found out how... i didn't think i had to select "start"... i was looking for a menu somewhere --;;

[NeoWorm]

IIRC, locales are only used for non-unicode programs. If onscripter-en were rewritten to use be fully unicode, it wouldn't matter what locale the computer had set. Has Mion looked into doing that?

Is anyone familiar with this (http://sourceforge.net/projects/onslaught-vn/) project? It should be ONscripter clone with unicode support, but its very bugy right now. At least for me - Tsukihime worked only few minutes with it.

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

Hmm, I'll look into it. I know there was some code added to deal with different possible encoding schemes on Mac and Linux, not sure why they didn't go ahead and do the full SJIS-Unicode mapping for Windows as well...

EDIT: Okey-dokey, give this build (http://www.sendspace.com/file/tjd7xh) a try for non-JP locale.

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[tcaz2]

Since everyone seems to be starting to use Enjye for Ange's name since the Motion Graphic spelled it that way, are you going to adopt that spelling too, or keep Ange?

I don't really like the look of the name Enjye, myself, but... thought I'd ask.

[Varion]

Since everyone seems to be starting to use Enjye for Ange's name since the Motion Graphic spelled it that way, are you going to adopt that spelling too, or keep Ange?

I don't really like the look of the name Enjye, myself, but... thought I'd ask.

Lol, people are actually using that? God knows why, it looks awful, and even if you're one of the rigid followers of 'official names are always right' the motion graphics... aren't official. Anyway, they've used it Ange since the beginning and it fits the naming pattern better (with Kyrie etc) so while I can't speak for the project personally it seems veeery unlikely they'll switch now.

[Klashikari]

As varion (here, happy valdra? :heh:) said, the UMG are definitely nowhere close to what we can call "official".
For that matter though, we still have sent an e-mail to Ryukishi about the possible "official" romaji, explaining from our side why we used "Ange".

That is to say, I'm certainly not in favor for "enje/enjye" either as it isn't concistent with the western pattern at all.
If you are curious, the pattern is as follow:

1) Ryukishi used "Kyrie" instead of "Kirie" (which should be the natural romaji of that japanese name). With Assumu around, the references to Ragnarok Online are quite big, as we have put on the grimoire (thanks to an anonymous source, but it became effective after some check).

2) Even if it isn't a common occurence, Ange is also a first name in French

3) Ange is the french word for "Angel"

4) Considering Ange's role in episode 3 and 4, that name is very fitting if you take its prime definition.

[Jan-Poo]

Well they are supposed to be western names written in Kanji, and Enje (or even worse "Enjye") is certainly not one. I wonder why Ryukishi didn't write those names in romaji to make clear what's the original source. Or did he?

[Nabiki Asakura]

I'm a little confused, is "Enjye" the japanese pronunciation of "Ange"?@_@
And, about the translation, I personally prefer "Ange" .3.

[chronotrig]

I'm a little confused, is "Enjye" the japanese pronunciation of "Ange"?@_@
And, about the translation, I personally prefer "Ange" .3.

'Enjye' is the Roman characters you would type to get the Japanese syllables used for her name. The name is actually pronounced 'En (like end without the d) je (like in jet)'. Or NJ, if you prefer.


Also, while we did ask 07th-expansion about the official spelling, they've just started their 'pairs' popularity contest' and their 'most suspicious person contest' on their website. And after that they have a little thing called EP5 to write. So it'll probably be a long while before they respond, if they do at all.

[Klashikari]

I'm a little confused, is "Enjye" the japanese pronunciation of "Ange"?@_@
And, about the translation, I personally prefer "Ange" .3.
Remember that Japanese have a very restrictive way to prononce certain sounds etc.
For instance, Battler's name is pronounced "Batora", which is arguably very different to its actual way to write it (and optionally, how english community would call him so).
As a little trivia, Keiichi's romaji was originally "Keiti", and Higurashi was "Higurasi". So you can tell it is not really a foulproof joy.

I assume Ange is considered as a "spoiler character", as much as the stake girls, considering Ryukishi didn't even list them on the site so no wonder why there is still no media to put her official name.
And to be frank, I wonder if Ryukishi already thought about the actual romaji name for her to begin with.

[Jan-Poo]

As a little trivia, Keiichi's romaji was originally "Keiti", and Higurashi was "Higurasi". So you can tell it is not really a foulproof joy.

Ah true that's yet another problem with romanizations. "Keiti" and "Higurasi" is what you get by using he "Kunrei" system. It looks like Japaneses use both "Kunrei" and "Hepburn" randomly but any western official and unofficial translation group uses invariably the "Hepburn" system, which is the one we are all used to know.

I wonder why "kunrei" is even still taught in Japan, there isn't really much point in it and it only causes confusion.

Anyway there's really no reason to adapt to the UMG, one should not fall under the impression that being a japanese speaker means to know how to make good transliterations, this is hardly the case.

[chronotrig]

I wonder why "kunrei" is even still taught in Japan, there isn't really much point in it and it only causes confusion.

Less keystrokes.

[Jan-Poo]

O_o seriously?

I understand that you get to write "tu "si" and "ti" instead of "tsu" "shi" and "chi" but what about "jya" "jyu" "jyo" and "jye" instead of "ja" "ju" "jo" and "je"? they might be less common but overall i really don't see much gain @_@

[tobiast88]

Kunrei follows the logical construction of the hiragana/katakana table: "r-line"= ra, ri, ru, re, ro, "t-line"= ta, ti, tu, te, to, even though "ti" and "tu" are pronounced "chi" and "tsu". Same for the je/jya: pronounced the same, but "jya" retains the "y" in the little "ya" in じゃ.
So Hepburn is pronunciation-based, kunrei is construction-based. That's it, really.

[777chris777]

Ignoring what spelling is considered official, and that Ange sounds much better in english regardless... The 4th motion graphic itself, is there much in the way of spoilers (beyond the current english patch)? I've watched the others too many times and it's oh-so-tempting to watch the 4th one, but when I saw the scene with Ronove, Virgilia and the gold haired+red dress+red hat (but not within the current patch) character, I figured I should ask first.

I have finished up to the current patch, and although I've seen fanart of some of the yet-to-be-introduced characters beyond the current patch, I'd rather not be spoiled for scenes or know about them.

Hopefully someone can tell me. :)

[chronotrig]

The 4th motion graphic itself, is there much in the way of spoilers (beyond the current english patch)?

If you have not read the entire game, DO NOT watch it. Please. I beg you.
...Yes there will be huge spoilers.

[izmosmolnar]

The temptation to watch it is high since most of us are considerably thirsty to some new infos (hence the reason we debate such silly trivial things pages long), but if it's so heavy on spoilers I definitely avoid it. It's a lot more enjoyable to go WTF watching the game, than feeling confused and semi-spoiled by watching the motion graphic. (Of course pay no heed to us, we know full well everyone have a life. Few months extra wait definitely won't kill anyone.)

[Usami_Haru]

Ah true that's yet another problem with romanizations. "Keiti" and "Higurasi" is what you get by using he "Kunrei" system. It looks like Japaneses use both "Kunrei" and "Hepburn" randomly but any western official and unofficial translation group uses invariably the "Hepburn" system, which is the one we are all used to know.

I wonder why "kunrei" is even still taught in Japan, there isn't really much point in it and it only causes confusion.

Anyway there's really no reason to adapt to the UMG, one should not fall under the impression that being a japanese speaker means to know how to make good transliterations, this is hardly the case.

And in the third higurashi motion graphic we got Houjyou Satoko

[rogerpepitone]

What exactly are the "Motion Graphic"s?

[theacefrehley]

What exactly are the "Motion Graphic"s?

They are AMVs (more precisely, MADs), umineko themed, by episode

Higurashi had 5 of them, if I remember

[rogerpepitone]

How long are they? (Also, what's a "MAD"?)

[Kitsu]

I don't know the exact definition but a MAD is fan-made video...nothing official.

And the UMG's have different lengths but you could say they are all about 5 minutes or so

First: 4:56
Second:4:08
Third: 4:32
Forth: 5:30

Btw: The UMG's all come with extra tracks and Wallpapers.

[izmosmolnar]

Correct me if I'm wrong but are they fan-made? They look pretty damn impressive, if they are made by enthusiastic fans with too much free time in their hands.

[Klashikari]

Yes they are. Well, Shinra Etsuko can be considered as a pro, but those who create the video are fan. And I really doubt they have any connection with Ryukishi or 07th Expansion.

[SpaceBrotha]

Hmm, I'll look into it. I know there was some code added to deal with different possible encoding schemes on Mac and Linux, not sure why they didn't go ahead and do the full SJIS-Unicode mapping for Windows as well...

EDIT: Okey-dokey, give this build (http://www.sendspace.com/file/tjd7xh) a try for non-JP locale.

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

Well, it still says that my locale is wrong etc, but if i right click and go to system menu and title back, i get the main menu and i see text and everything right from there onwards.

I tried playing it a bit and everything seemed to work as usual. Even all the kanjis and stuff show correctly (atleast in the grimoire), so i think you just need to remove that locale check and it'll work just fine. Good work. :D

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

Hmm, but if you still get the "locale wrong" message, it's because the script couldn't find one of the sound files with characters in the name. That likely means the file (and others) didn't get copied over correctly during installation.

You will need to change your locale to Japanese and redo the installation, but after that you can change the locale back to normal and the new onscripter-en executable should still find the Japanese-named files. And now you'll get to hear all the music you should!

Of course, let me know if there's still a problem ^^

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[chronotrig]

If you've already finished Episode 1, you can easily check whether the music files are playing by doing the EP1 Hidden Tea Party.


If you don't hear organ music right at the start, then you're probably missing a huge chunk of the music and sound effects.

[chronotrig]

Alright, we've just heard back from BT about the spellings for the character names.

It looks like 'Ange' is the correct spelling. Also, BT was kind enough to send a list of the other characters up to EP3 (including Virgilia and Ronove) along with their spellings. All of the spellings used in our patch are correct.

[Ankoku-chan]

What about Akiba? :D

http://umineko.tv/web/main/news/index.html

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

Found some bugs in the onscripter I linked to before, so try this one instead: http://www.sendspace.com/file/na9iqs

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[SpaceBrotha]

Hmm, but if you still get the "locale wrong" message, it's because the script couldn't find one of the sound files with characters in the name. That likely means the file (and others) didn't get copied over correctly during installation.

You will need to change your locale to Japanese and redo the installation, but after that you can change the locale back to normal and the new onscripter-en executable should still find the Japanese-named files. And now you'll get to hear all the music you should!

Of course, let me know if there's still a problem ^^

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

Found some bugs in the onscripter I linked to before, so try this one instead: http://www.sendspace.com/file/na9iqs

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

That's weird, i really can't hear the music unless i use applocale.
I'm running vista business, so can't change my locale, and applocale doesn't work right with the installer because the launcher starts the installer, and applocale doesn't seem to realize that i want that to be run in jap-mode as well, so this is a bit of a problem.

[theacefrehley]

How long are they? (Also, what's a "MAD"?)

They are equivalent to the AMV
But while the AMV (Anime Music Video) mainly use anime scenes + some music playing on the background, a MAD does not restrict to anime, they can use images/animation from manga, games, anime, live-action stuff, random images, etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAD_Movie

[ClockWorkAngel]

So there's actual developtment for cross-platforming then, nice to know!

Thanks for the hard works WitchHunt!

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

That's weird, i really can't hear the music unless i use applocale.
I'm running vista business, so can't change my locale, and applocale doesn't work right with the installer because the launcher starts the installer, and applocale doesn't seem to realize that i want that to be run in jap-mode as well, so this is a bit of a problem.

That's unfortunate. You likely need to copy the BGM, ME, SE, and sys_se directories from the Umineko installation DVD to the installed location, in order to make sure you have all the sound effects. (It's not just filenames with kanji - at least one filename uses fullwidth roman letters, annoyingly enough.)

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[SpaceBrotha]

That's unfortunate. You likely need to copy the BGM, ME, SE, and sys_se directories from the Umineko installation DVD to the installed location, in order to make sure you have all the sound effects. (It's not just filenames with kanji - at least one filename uses fullwidth roman letters, annoyingly enough.)

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

That's how i generally installed it, by copying the folders, generally it shouldn't matter because if i use applocale to run the game, i can hear music that has a fully kanji filename. For example the one that plays when maria reads the letter in ep 1.
Just for clarification: I can't hear it with the new executable except when using applocale.

While i'm by no means knowledgeable about onscripter, can't you just use something like the setlocale function to set the locale to japanese? The program seems to be written in C++, so the function call setlocale(LC_ALL, "Japanese"); should suffice.

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

That's how i generally installed it, by copying the folders, generally it shouldn't matter because if i use applocale to run the game, i can hear music that has a fully kanji filename. For example the one that plays when maria reads the letter in ep 1.
Just for clarification: I can't hear it with the new executable except when using applocale.

While i'm by no means knowledgeable about onscripter, can't you just use something like the setlocale function to set the locale to japanese? The program seems to be written in C++, so the function call setlocale(LC_ALL, "Japanese"); should suffice.

I'm trying to get onscripter to play nice with Unicode.

The very latest onscripter executable should play the kanji-named sounds, Applocale or no - at least it does on my XP system (US_en locale), and I tried it via Applocale for other languages as well. Could you be having a Vista problem? Are you able to run in XP compatibility mode?

Just want to track down the issue.

Thanks,
Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[SpaceBrotha]

I'm trying to get onscripter to play nice with Unicode.

The very latest onscripter executable should play the kanji-named sounds, Applocale or no - at least it does on my XP system (US_en locale), and I tried it via Applocale for other languages as well. Could you be having a Vista problem? Are you able to run in XP compatibility mode?

Just want to track down the issue.

Thanks,
Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

I tried XP compatability and running as administrator, neither helped. My locale should be Finnish. And yes, i think it might be a vista problem, though i haven't the slightest what might be causing it to not understand unicode...

[Kitsu]

I know it's impolite to ask...especially in the english translation thread
But a Chinese friend of mine wanted to play Umineko, but since her english sucks use the Chinese patch. But me and her a unable to find it so does anyone know where to get the Chinese one?

[Rena Ryuuguu]

-sighs- I don't know anymore what to do, I tried to instal Umineko EP4 over repeated times, but it always stops to instal by the umineko.exe and freezes . I'm annoyed . because I played all the other games, and now I want to play ep 4 with the eng. patch but I can't even instal EP 4 ,_,

[Kitsu]

My friend has a similar problem, but she uses my disc that's why it's rather strange since it works totally fine with me. But could it be that Umineko doesn't work with Vista?