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Pellissier

2008-04-27, 06:57

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sapphire-pyro

2008-04-27, 08:55

I love Soul and Maka as individuals, as partners, and as a couple xD

They are a very unique shounen leading girl and guy :) Rare for me to see a shounen series wherein the girl is the main fighter while the guy is her support :)

I also love it that the leading girl is not just some burden. She can fight to protect herself. The leading guy doesn't get all the spotlight.

I love Soul that despite his wild appearance, he's a real gentleman . . . and I love him in that black suit xD

Can't wait to see more episodes that focus on them :) Especially on their relationship xD Squeee!!!!

Daniel E.

2008-04-27, 12:02

Can't wait to see more episodes that focus on them :) Especially on their relationship xD Squeee!!!!

I am not sure what to expect from this at the moment, but I wouldn't mind if the anime decided to keep love out of the picture alltogether.

A good friendship were both rely on one another would work just fine for me. :)

Bloody Nightingale

2008-04-27, 20:25

I am not sure what to expect from this at the moment, but I wouldn't mind if the anime decided to keep love out of the picture alltogether.

A good friendship were both rely on one another would work just fine for me. :)

Rest assured, there's hardly any romance element from the manga, so it's very unlikely that BONES will add anything unneccessary to the picture.

What really makes this pair stand out from the other two team is their interaction revolving around the <spoiler element skipped> which I really look forward to see it animated.

Chaos2Frozen

2008-04-28, 10:22

Well, in the first place, the word relationship doesn't always mean a romantic one.
Though I wouldn't complain if it did >.>

Nevertheless, I am drawn to this pairing/duo, more so than the others.

(Still pending on Kidd's 'team')

DJ_RockmanX

2008-04-28, 14:14

Best interaction between them that's shown thus far would be the Soul Resonance scene and the dialogue that follows.

Vexx

2008-04-28, 17:16

The way they hold hands (or more properly, grip each other's hands) says an incredible amount about their relationship - much more than "just" romance.

I suppose you could say they're "soul-mates" :) .... (I should hide now).

Ori

2008-04-28, 19:49

I don't think of their relationship as romantic so to speak but then again I can't see them leaving each other either for other girls or guys.

Regardless I love seeing them together.

Zoe

2008-04-28, 19:53

I don't think of their relationship as romantic so to speak but then again I can't see them leaving each other either for other girls or guys.

That's exactly how I see it.

They have one of the best partnerships I've seen.

Medousa

2008-04-28, 19:59

I don't think of their relationship as romantic so to speak but then again I can't see them leaving each other either for other girls or guys.

Same thing for me ... I would be weird. O_O

And, I think they look good together. xD

BTW, talking about the characters ... Soul, like Sapphire-Pyro said, despite his obsession for being cool and his wild appearence, he's a gentleman ... And I love his voice. (And the sound of the drools! xD)

For Maka, I liked her in the manga, and the way she hold the scythe is so cool~.

Bloody Nightingale

2008-04-28, 20:28

Same thing for me ... I would be weird. O_O

And, I think they look good together. xD

BTW, talking about the characters ... Soul, like Sapphire-Pyro said, despite his obsession for being cool and his wild appearence, he's a gentleman ... And I love his voice. (And the sound of the drools! xD)

For Maka, I liked her in the manga, and the way she hold the scythe is so cool~.

I find it odd though, as much as Soul is obsessed with the whole "cool" ordeal, he doesn't really mention it much aside from the normal days (and it seems more the case in future development, by now in the latest chapters i don't even see him show a slightest sign of "cool obsession")

Ori

2008-04-29, 22:59

I find it odd though, as much as Soul is obsessed with the whole "cool" ordeal, he doesn't really mention it much aside from the normal days (and it seems more the case in future development, by now in the latest chapters i don't even see him show a slightest sign of "cool obsession")

Personally I think "being cool" is just a front Soul puts up because he has the personality of a teenager. When you are a teenager, even if you are 100% gentleman inside, you just can't admit that you are one. It's just so...

Uncool. :heh:

Daniel E.

2008-04-30, 01:05

Personally I think "being cool" is just a front Soul puts up because he has the personality of a teenager. When you are a teenager, even if you are 100% gentleman inside, you just can't admit that you are one. It's just so...

Uncool. :heh:

Agree. I also think this is the case for Black Star, wich could give us a clue as for why they get along so well.

Bloody Nightingale

2008-04-30, 03:43

Agree. I also think this is the case for Black Star, wich could give us a clue as for why they get along so well.

Neeeh, Black Star stays true to his motto: make really BIG moves whenever he gets the chance even if it means, alarming the enemies AND getting himself totally exposed, ignoring + ruining battle plans made by his superiors, and such and such.... (see latest chapter)

which kinda makes me wanna *facepalm* at him :heh:

not that i'm complaining though.

On the otherhand, maybe i could interpret Soul in an alternate direction:
He's always cool headed even in face of insanity, thus, COOL :D

Ori

2008-04-30, 19:48

Agree. I also think this is the case for Black Star, wich could give us a clue as for why they get along so well.

I disagree. Black Star, in my opinion is not a gentleman. He is a good person (loyal to friends, has a heart etc), but he is not a gentleman. No gentleman would ever go peek at girls, and hit girls, make a raucous, and eat like a pig.

That just doesn't work.

Daniel E.

2008-04-30, 20:15

I disagree. Black Star, in my opinion is not a gentleman. He is a good person (loyal to friends, has a heart etc), but he is not a gentleman. No gentleman would ever go peek at girls, and hit girls, make a raucous, and eat like a pig.

That just doesn't work.

I think you took my comment a little too litelary there. So let's just say that I think both Soul & Black, are kind at heart. ;)

Oh and a gentleman doesn't make fun of a girl's breast size. ;)

sapphire-pyro

2008-04-30, 21:45

Black Star's no gentleman indeed, but I think he acted like one when he

guarded Tsubaki when she was battling with her brother

HayashiTakara

2008-05-02, 07:30

I think from the first episode that its pretty obvious that they're going to end up getting married in the future. It almost seems that Death Scythes are another form of human, after all Maka's father is a death scythe also. They'll probably just throw in stuff here and there to build up on their relationship but nothing too heavy for the most part. As the show obviously isn't about that, it seems more about partnership and zany action. But, I do love these two characters, Maka is too adorable, and Soul looks like a kid but has an adult voice, thats pretty cool, lol.

sapphire-pyro

2008-05-02, 22:15

I think from the first episode that its pretty obvious that they're going to end up getting married in the future. It almost seems that Death Scythes are another form of human, after all Maka's father is a death scythe also. They'll probably just throw in stuff here and there to build up on their relationship but nothing too heavy for the most part. As the show obviously isn't about that, it seems more about partnership and zany action.
The possibility of Soul and Maka ending up together is very high xD But sadly, so far they only have a platonic relationship. Best way to describe them is that they're really good partners.
But they sure act and seem canon xD Man, the anime and manga are teasing my shipper senses xD LOL!

Jerseykid

2008-05-02, 22:24

There should at least be one kiss on cheek exchanged!

HayashiTakara

2008-05-03, 03:49

sapphire-pyro

2008-05-03, 06:29

I say its more than platonic, otherwise Maka wouldn't be pissed at walking in on Blaire sitting on Soul in the bed.

Also, that tearful scene at the end of the first episode is extremely telling as it is. The talk about cheating and being faithful and trust, friends can't cheat on eachother can they? :P
Maybe the idea was betrayal, but the translation was cheating between lovers. I dunno. Because if it was really cheating between lovers, then they should have been canon already xD Haha!

The part where Maka got mad at Soul when Blair's flirting on him can be interpreted in two ways:
shipper's view: she was jealous.
another view: she thinks Soul's messing around so early in the morning instead of preparing for school.

I like the shipper's view though xD Soul even said in the anime that his morning has become some love comedy/scene xD LOL!

Oh I can't wait for episode 5 *_* Soul and Maka spotlight again!!!! SQUEEEEEEE!!!!! xD

Chaos2Frozen

2008-05-03, 08:50

Maybe the idea was betrayal, but the translation was cheating between lovers. I dunno. Because if it was really cheating between lovers, then they should have been canon already xD Haha!

But Like I've said it before, it's amusing how Maka associates Soul's Betrayal to that off her Father's cheating :p

The part where Maka got mad at Soul when Blair's flirting on him can be interpreted in two ways:
shipper's view: she was jealous.
another view: she thinks Soul's messing around so early in the morning instead of preparing for school.

Oh come on :p Of course she's jealous!

She's been edgy at Blair ever since she started hitting on Soul in episode 1...

Ori

2008-05-03, 09:34

But Like I've said it before, it's amusing how Maka associates Soul's Betrayal to that off her Father's cheating :p

Always thought she was jealous because of that. =P

HayashiTakara

2008-05-03, 09:43

Daito-kun

2008-05-09, 03:41

Heres how I see it.

She lost all trust in men due to her father's lustful ways. But when she met Soul, she felt that she finally found a guy she can truly trust. I see her wanting to "create" a "better" deathscythe is more than just "quality" but also a better husband as well, to have that faithful and loving relationship her mother didn't have with her father. But, thats just my theory.

I think so to... but i think that thoughts about husband and achievin more happiness than mother in relationship are buried very deep inside her, so deep that she isn't even realising it yet... On the other hand, soul seems more mature. Cool stuf obession is his... don't know how really describe it.... i mean, h brings it out when it wouldn,t hurt) unlike Black Star) And, i think, Soul is aware, what kind of situation he and Maka are in) the best proof - that he himself said - "this love comedy...' but he is takin it slowly)))

Anh_Minh

2008-05-09, 04:59

I think Soul has his own issues, and that dating isn't really on his agenda.

Avira

2008-05-09, 10:39

Soul protecting Maka with his own body in episode 5 was so cute
:blush:

cheesie

2008-05-11, 21:30

Also, that tearful scene at the end of the first episode is extremely telling as it is. The talk about cheating and being faithful and trust, friends can't cheat on eachother can they? :P

Soul was about to go over to Blair and become her weapon, betraying Maka in the process. It's similar to 'cheating' tho I don't think she meant it in that romantic sense.

I dunno, I like Soul and Maka as weapon/technician combo, but for shipping, I can see it, I just don't go nuts over every scene. >_>

HayashiTakara

2008-05-12, 01:33

cheesie

2008-05-12, 21:08

It is about cheating in the sense of a relationship, otherwise her father wouldn't have been brought up at all. She lost faith in men because of her father, but meeting Soul renewed that faith. Rewatch the scene and pay attention to the words that are being used as well as the scenes.

Soul was about to call forfeit to their relationship WEAPON and MEISTER. She can't help but parallel Soul's actions to her father's, because her father and Soul was doing the same thing (not about going to other women, but breaching the TRUST they had between them.) She's a kid who barely hit puberty. There are signs that she likes Soul, but she has enough trouble conveying her emotions (is she even aware of them?) let alone preparing her marriage bed with Soul. >_____>

And I think its kinda insulting that you calling that tearful speech as any other scene. It made a big impact as to telling us what their relationship is like.

All I said was I don't go nuts over every scene they appear in. I didn't say anything about downplaying the speech scene. :eyebrow:

This show isn't romance heavy, so we fanboys/girls eat it up every chance we get as its far and few between.

Uhhh yeah, that's why I said I don't go nuts over every scene. Because I like them better as a fighting combo. (So who was telling me to pay attention again? :twitch: )

Lugia_Tsuyu

2008-05-12, 23:59

I think seeing them trust each other, protect each other, and always be there for each other are good enough clues for a possible further relationship between them in the future.

Chaos2Frozen

2008-05-13, 00:08

Soul was about to call forfeit to their relationship WEAPON and MEISTER. She can't help but parallel Soul's actions to her father's, because her father and Soul was doing the same thing (not about going to other women, but breaching the TRUST they had between them.)

Nope, it's definitely about going to other women.

Otherwise she wouldn't have the flashback(s) to all the times her father went womanizing.

As for Soul, while he is referring to their relationship as Weapon and Meister, in the end, he still went along with her saying how he would never cheat. Whether a not it's in the same context as Maka...

Of course, all this is in episode 1. If there's not enough hints and nudges then, episode 5 and 6 should provide enough.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-13, 00:26

Yeah. What Soul was doing was "betrayal because of lust", like her dad. It doesn't mean they're dating, though.

cheesie

2008-05-13, 00:36

Sure, no biggie. I can see myself nodding at this pairing in due time, I'm just not sold yet. ;) Now, the twin sisters with Kid, on the other hand...

HayashiTakara

2008-05-13, 19:12

Wait... you have doubts about Soul and Maka, but suspect Kid and the twins? ...now that boggles my mind.

Ori

2008-05-13, 22:50

Wait... you have doubts about Soul and Maka, but suspect Kid and the twins? ...now that boggles my mind.

While I don't think Maka and Soul will date for quite a while.... I agree with you suspecting Kid and twins is quite mind boggling.

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2008-05-14, 07:02

Soul was about to go over to Blair and become her weapon, betraying Maka in the process. It's similar to 'cheating' tho I don't think she meant it in that romantic sense.

I dunno, I like Soul and Maka as weapon/technician combo, but for shipping, I can see it, I just don't go nuts over every scene. >_>

I was under the impression that it was part of a plan to get Blair to let down her guard and within his blades range .
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Anh_Minh

2008-05-14, 09:15

Yeah, but Maka didn't know that.

Vexx

2008-05-14, 15:14

aye, that was the power of the scene... she didn't *know* for sure whether he was bluffing or not. That's part of what makes this pair so interesting.

C.A.

2008-05-14, 15:28

The thing between them is trust.

Maka was shocked when Soul suddenly decided to join Blair, she's shocked because she had so much trust in Soul. And its because of this trust that she recovered from the shock immediately when Soul called for her. Soul had such a plan because she trusts that Maka would be able to pull it off and not remain in a state of shock.

Its very clear that there's a very strong bond between them. You can see the effort Maka puts in to make Soul a Death Scythe and also how Soul would protect Maka. Such a bond can also be seen between Black Star and Tsubaki, but a little different and less intense, you can't see it between Kid and the Sisters though.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-14, 15:55

If she trusted him that much, she'd have caught on immediately. Or at least been incredulous.

Thing is, she really believed he'd betrayed her. She didn't want to believe, but she did. Soul maybe the guy she trusts the most in the whole world, but that doesn't mean much because she's got serious trust issues.

And I don't think she puts forth that much effort for Soul's sake. It's mostly about her and her grudge.

Vexx

2008-05-14, 16:11

Hmmm, my take is a bit different. She trusts him... but her own set of baggage leaves that shadow of doubt and the two emotions tangle with each other.

So at that moment, given the recent history and situation, Soul sounded so serious that her doubt won the instant (which of course added to Blair's misconception that Soul was serious). As C.A. remarks - her doubt was beaten back down the instant she heard his "true words".

Maka's definitely got trust issues but Soul seems to be aware of that and juggles it with his own agenda. Maka seems to *want* to melt completely with Soul... but her own baggage (thanks a lot, dad :) ) interferes.

meh, such is the stuff good drama, humor, and romance can be made from.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-14, 16:58

I don't disagree with what you've said. Just with the statement that there's some kind of huge and formidable trust between them.

Relative to Maka, Soul is very trusted. But it's only a trust at the level people like Black Star or Kid take for granted.

I also disagree that Maka tries very hard for Soul's sake. It's for her own sake she's trying. I'm not saying she wouldn't take a bullet for him. But her day to day efforts are for herself.

C.A.

2008-05-14, 17:25

Maka's wish is to create a death scythe that surpasses even her father, Soul does seem to believe strongly that she would make him one. So I think its safe to say that all of Maka's efforts is to transform Soul into a very powerful death scythe. And through the effort put into Soul, she fufils her own desires.

The effort put in, is for the both of them, 50/50, so its for herself and himself.

Chaos2Frozen

2008-05-14, 19:05

I also disagree that Maka tries very hard for Soul's sake. It's for her own sake she's trying. I'm not saying she wouldn't take a bullet for him. But her day to day efforts are for herself.

Maka's wish is to create a death scythe that surpasses even her father, Soul does seem to believe strongly that she would make him one. So I think its safe to say that all of Maka's efforts is to transform Soul into a very powerful death scythe. And through the effort put into Soul, she fufils her own desires.

The effort put in, is for the both of them, 50/50, so its for herself and himself.

Hmmm... Then in the first place, does Soul wants to be a DeathScythe, or is he doing it for Maka? Because some how, that's the impression I got...

C.A.

2008-05-14, 19:27

Hmmm... Then in the first place, does Soul wants to be a DeathScythe, or is he doing it for Maka? Because some how, that's the impression I got...Soul wants to be cool and as a weapon, the coolest would be the most powerful deathscythe.

And Maka is someone whose desire goes along with him.

So its both of them having their own desire but are working together for it. They work together so that they can fufil their dreams.

SeedFreedom

2008-05-14, 20:12

Dont forget, Maka's father also isnt a good role model for trusting men.

cheesie

2008-05-17, 03:39

Wait... you have doubts about Soul and Maka, but suspect Kid and the twins? ...now that boggles my mind.

I was joking. -_-

White Manju Bun

2008-05-21, 19:34

Man I have a new respect for Soul. I know he's said on one other occasion that he wont let anyone hurt his master and he's proving it. I think the bond with all the meister and weapons are solid but Soul and Maka's seems to go beyond that just a little.

Chi-no

2008-05-22, 04:31

I like the way she uses the scythe. I am kinda surprised with that. And Soul is also to me a man of his words. Nice.

elevenstrikes

2008-05-23, 19:33

I am not sure what to expect from this at the moment, but I wouldn't mind if the anime decided to keep love out of the picture alltogether.

A good friendship where both rely on one another would work just fine for me. :)

Seconded.

Actually, I hope they stay pleutonic forever. The way they interact with each other in the OP even strikes me as buddy-buddy, yet it's not sickening. They're comrades, and the fact that they're not (consciously) romantic eliminates that tension. They're just cool, yet you know they'd do anything for each other.

I think that can be possible between a guy and a girl.

HayashiTakara

2008-05-24, 09:42

I still see Maka not only wanting to surpass her mother in making a better deathscythe but also attaining a better man as her father was a good for nothing cheat. I have no doubt in my mind that there will be more and more romantic suggestions between Maka and Soul as the series goes on.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-24, 12:04

I don't think Maka really wants to surpass her mother. I mean, yes, she's an overachiever, and yes, she's got self-confidence issues that probably translate into a desire to perform well. But she's got no beef against her mother.

It's really all about her father. Because, no matter how despicable she finds him, he's still the Deathscythe. Shinigami-sama's personal weapon. And she wants to take away that title with her own hands.

HayashiTakara

2008-05-24, 12:11

Maka has said it herself that she wanted to surpass her mother... so yeah...

Chaos2Frozen

2008-05-24, 16:28

I don't think Maka really wants to surpass her mother. I mean, yes, she's an overachiever, and yes, she's got self-confidence issues that probably translate into a desire to perform well. But she's got no beef against her mother.

You can respect someone yet still have the desire to surpass them.

And like HayashiTakara said, Make herself said she wanted to create a better Deathscythe.

HayashiTakara

2008-05-24, 19:04

I took a peak at the manga for a number of chapters and all I can say is that my fanboy pairing for Maka and Soul only became more solidified.

Chaos2Frozen

2008-05-24, 19:45

I took a peak at the manga for a number of chapters and all I can say is that my fanboy pairing for Maka and Soul only became more solidified.

Only a peak :p ?

But it's a good thing that you did, I wouldn't want to be the only one...

And if Episode 6 is any indication, the Anime might buff it up alittle here and there ;)

HayashiTakara

2008-05-25, 01:44

haha, yeah when I get my hands on an anime that interest me enough, I'll always take a look at the manga, I'm contemplating on going further past ch 20

toniblab

2008-05-30, 22:20

maka and soul are my fav..they work well together.and soul protect her 2 time i know of so far.

HayashiTakara

2008-06-05, 00:38

Episode 9 is great for a little more Maka x Soul interaction, Soul is worried that Maka he made Maka worried, and Maka is worried for making Soul worry about her... so cute <3

HayashiTakara

2008-06-18, 09:26

A Soul x Maka moment next episode (11) yay!

saber123

2008-06-18, 19:56

I appreciate Maka's voice,Maka is Pretty!

Avira

2008-07-06, 11:48

I appreciate Maka's voice,Maka is Pretty!

Yeah, she's really sort of cute^^At first I didn't like her voice, but it's gotten better.
The MakaxSoul moments in episode 11 are so :love:

ellifeedn

2008-07-06, 21:27

Does anyone think that Maka's relationship with her father can improve or will become non-existant?

Zoe

2008-07-06, 21:58

I think it will. Maka is certainly trying hard to make it difficult for him though.

herbert

2008-07-07, 00:34

I guess it will improve, but not much. Maka dislikes him for a good reason. There is no misunderstanding, and Spirit's wrongdoing is ongoing. It's not like Maka never gives him chances, but he never takes. Plus, Maka knows Spirit loves her to bits, so there is little chance for Spirit to pull out a I-love-you move.

lmd_84

2008-07-07, 03:18

I think it will. Maka is certainly trying hard to make it difficult for him though.

And on Spirit's part it doesn't help that he can't get across what he actually feels about Maka and her mother; the closest he's got so far is in episode 9...when he's thinking it but not actually saying anything. That, aside from all the flirting, is a major issue between them.

Tempest35

2008-07-08, 15:15

Heck, everyone knows that Spirit still loves his ex-wife and daughter. Small wonder he doesn't proclaim it from atop Shibusen as Black Star would do. :D

He's a young dad who really sees himself as not really worthy of being Maka's father because of the way he acted before but that won't stop him from doing anything and everything he can do to help - even if it makes him look like a total jerk/doofus in the end. He's being a doofus for his daughter and that's what it's all about at the end of the day for him. I really pity the day if someone hurts Maka badly in front of him in a combat situation - maybe then we'll see just why he's the strongest of the DeathScythes. :D

Anh_Minh

2008-07-08, 15:42

The reason he looks like a jerk is not because he thinks he's unworthy. It's because he's weak. He has no self-control, and as soon as a skirt passes by...

Autumnaki

2008-07-23, 00:13

I read somewhere that SoulxMaka is the most obvious pairing since InuyashaxKagome.. xDD

Honestly, I really don't mind either. I adore both characters as partners, and their interaction is really sweet.

There's actually plenty of great SoulxMaka in the manga too. I can't wait to see it animated. The good thing about this series is that romance really doesn't own the screen, and the same can be said of particular characters as well. All characters get their own amount of screen time. I'd say the mangaka is very good at balancing everything, and this leaves me hopeful that we won't get any unnecessary interaction.

Obviously I don't think Soul and Maka are in love with eachother, but I do think there is certain emphasis on particular things that allow us to see the deeper feelings they have for eachother. Which can obviously change later.

LOL. I love it when Soul tells Maka to feel his spirit wavelength in the manga during the clown fight. She has half of the clowns mask on her face and Soul touches it and just kinda... stares at it with a sad look on his face. There's even a little emphasis on his hand running down her face... :O

And then he asks her for her hand so he can place it on the piano??? I THINK MAKA IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF PICKING A PIANO KEY ON HER OWN OKAITHXBAI

Perona

2008-07-23, 13:19

Onchuu_Norin

2008-08-09, 01:58

When it comes to Soul and Maka, it's kind of weird combination, but that's what makes it interesting. Soul always thinks about doing only things that's considered "cool" and more easy going. Maka is more of dedicated student who strives to be a great weapon wielder like her mother and has a bad relationship with her father. It kind of reminds me of the other paired characters in other anime like Cou and Ren from Erementar Gerad. Maybe even Renton and Eureka from Eureka Seven was kind of a weird pair.

-NeVeR-

2008-08-09, 07:09

i loved the chapter when Maka enters Souls "soul" and he dances with her. Then he says he really likes her after he agreed with Maka to be used like Ragnorak.Does it mean something more? I hope so! =D

if u mean chapter 18's scene, then i'm sorry to tell you the truth, but there was a mistranslating in english scans :S
in scans, Soul says "I really like you, Maka", but the real translation would be "Do whatever you like, Maka".
Sorry for your "romance dreams" XD

Ronin Aquila

2008-08-09, 09:49

Weapons and humans falling for each other is not that odd...

...do remember that Maka herself is a half-weapon thanks to her Dad's heritage. ;)

Perona

2008-08-09, 13:56

if u mean chapter 18's scene, then i'm sorry to tell you the truth, but there was a mistranslating in english scans :S
in scans, Soul says "I really like you, Maka", but the real translation would be "Do whatever you like, Maka".
Sorry for your "romance dreams" XD

Well, now im a bit sad, but whatever, that scene was nice anyways.:p

Katocchi

2008-08-13, 08:37

if u mean chapter 18's scene, then i'm sorry to tell you the truth, but there was a mistranslating in english scans :S
in scans, Soul says "I really like you, Maka", but the real translation would be "Do whatever you like, Maka".
Sorry for your "romance dreams" XD

I depressed to hear that,, uhuhu .... :(

I hope Maka and Soul become cooperation partner,,

I LiKe Them Much ...

lmd_84

2008-08-13, 11:40

I can't see them splitting up as a team just because they don't have feelings for one another. (i.e if their relationship was merely as good friends)

Now, if unrequited feelings caused tension, or they tried and failed in a relationship, maybe that would be cause to go their separate ways. But other than that, they seem a strong partnership for the time being.

skyfirefly

2008-08-16, 01:47

if u mean chapter 18's scene, then i'm sorry to tell you the truth, but there was a mistranslating in english scans :S
in scans, Soul says "I really like you, Maka", but the real translation would be "Do whatever you like, Maka".
Sorry for your "romance dreams" XD

i think it better like that.. it good that their just friends... :D

Katocchi

2008-08-16, 03:25

i think it better like that.. it good that their just friends... :D

whY ??:confused::eyespin:

lmd_84

2008-08-16, 06:10

*shrug* Why not? Soul and Maka understand and care about one another as friends, they rely on one another more than they've actually admitted; there's a lot going for this two without romance coming into the equation.

I can see why people are pairing up these two good friends (such as they are at the moment), but personally I don't see them as necessarily ending up a couple .

skyfirefly

2008-08-17, 07:35

whY ??:confused::eyespin:
im not so much a fan of romance >_< :D
but its everyones opinions that counts and besides..
the manga and the anime are still running.. maybe they will
be together or not! :D
and just as lmd_84 said they could still be friends...

cellardoor

2008-09-30, 17:36

Maka and Soul are both too adorable together. Their relationship is not a romantic one but it's still intimidating the way they care for each other and complement each other. I would be totally content with them staying platonic, but I think there's more than partnership or friendship going between them. Their bond is too strong for anyone else to interfere. And I have absolutely no complaints XD Right now I'm a sucker for their moments, be it the fight scenes or a dance scene XD

lv23

2008-10-03, 12:03

I probably fail at life for saying this, but I'm not just content, I PREFER Maka and Soul to not have that kind of relationship. At least, not till the end of the manga. I don't think I could stand lovers going into battle for more than the length of a mini arc.

HayashiTakara

2008-10-04, 08:59

As far as trends go, hook ups for main characters don't occur until the end. So, you don't have to worry about it.

I personally love Maka x Soul, theres too much invested into it to not see it as a possible future. They are infact soulmates.

I mean... how would you feel if someone you care that deeply for and is your soulmate, that is of your preferred "sex" whether opposite or not, got romantically involved with someone else? I would say it'll hurt.

Reincarnated

2008-10-06, 03:09

they are too good to be just friends , they can be a couple but I'd prefer no sex and kisses (like what I read on fanfiction.net. They're still 13..or 14. Still children)

Well in my opinion Maka has a slight hint of jealousy thingy if Blair hugs Soul (or maybe she just doesn't like it because they're being noisy? I didn't know either) but I haven't seen Soul have a special feeling for Maka that more than friends. I mean , all of him proctecting Maka can be just a friend thought , right?

Gahh I messed up with the grammar here.

HayashiTakara

2008-10-06, 07:47

Maka is always showing signs of jealousy when it comes to Soul with another women, it wasn't only with Blaire but with Medusa as well.

Reincarnated

2008-10-07, 08:59

Maka is always showing signs of jealousy when it comes to Soul with another women, it wasn't only with Blaire but with Medusa as well.

Wow I didn't see that. I forgot she's also jealous of Medusa.

But no signs of romance coming from Soul. I sighed for this. (not that I want romance but..at least do something that make people feel Maka is special to you , Soul damnit.)

destiny4everlove

2008-10-07, 15:08

Maka x Soul is my favorite pairing in Soul Eater. I do think Maka likes Soul and Soul likes Maka more than just in a platonic way. I love their interactions and how they care for one another. I would love if they become something more that just friends, but I don’t think that will happen any time soon.

HayashiTakara

2008-10-08, 14:37

Wow I didn't see that. I forgot she's also jealous of Medusa.

But no signs of romance coming from Soul. I sighed for this. (not that I want romance but..at least do something that make people feel Maka is special to you , Soul damnit.)

I wouldn't say that, whenever Soul see's Maka being happy and peaceful, he always kinda stares at her with a little grin on his face.

FireChick

2008-10-08, 19:48

Does anyone notice that the person who does Soul also does Roxas from Kingdom Hearts?

Reincarnated

2008-10-09, 00:48

I wouldn't say that, whenever Soul see's Maka being happy and peaceful, he always kinda stares at her with a little grin on his face.

O_O" I've never seen that. What is the example?

Well , Soul and Maka is kinda mysterious couple for me. From three main meister-weapon couples here , I didn't have a slight clue of their background. Or what they were exactly when they first met.

Now that I've seen how Maka reacts when Soul is hurt , what will Soul's reaction be if Maka is badly hurt...I guess? ^^; I'm also curious about the black blood. I haven't seen any improvement on the manga yet.

HayashiTakara

2008-10-09, 01:50

O_O" I've never seen that. What is the example?

Well , Soul and Maka is kinda mysterious couple for me. From three main meister-weapon couples here , I didn't have a slight clue of their background. Or what they were exactly when they first met.

Now that I've seen how Maka reacts when Soul is hurt , what will Soul's reaction be if Maka is badly hurt...I guess? ^^; I'm also curious about the black blood. I haven't seen any improvement on the manga yet.

As far as most recent is concerned, is when Maka took Krona to the roof top in ep. 26.

Reincarnated

2008-10-09, 04:47

Gahh. I haven't watched eps 26 til you said that. And I rushed to Youtube and watch eps 26.

It's true!! Yay , looks so cool! XD

but well. Their relationship reminds me suddenly of IchiRuki in Bleach. Seems to be a couple , but hard to be one.

Katocchi

2008-10-09, 06:01

but well. Their relationship reminds me suddenly of IchiRuki in Bleach. Seems to be a couple , but hard to be one.

I think that Too,, but maybe Maka and Soul relationship is more look a Couple than IchiRuki,, Because tHat ORIHIMEEEE !!!!!:topicoff:

HayashiTakara

2008-10-10, 02:11

I don't see how its Ichigo x Rukia is the same as Maka x Soul, its like night and day

Katocchi

2008-10-10, 02:41

I don't see how its Ichigo x Rukia is the same as Maka x Soul, its like night and day

The same is,, They always fight with something which not important :heh::heh:

Reincarnated

2008-10-10, 09:28

The same is,, They always fight with something which not important :heh::heh:

I second this :heh:

Now that my friend reminds me , did Maka know about Soul's intention to Shibusen? I mean...well.
Maka want to be like her Mom.
Tsubaki went because of Masamune.
Black Star...err because he is raised by Shibusen , maybe?
Kidd and the gang have their own reason.

So what's Soul's reason? Want to be a death scythe? But what for? And how about his family?

When I look into it , Soul is such a mysterious boy.

Mistypearl

2008-10-16, 11:17

Does Soul want to be the most powerful death scythe? That's what was said in EP. 1...

FireChick

2008-10-17, 15:32

Does anyone notice that Soul has the same voice actor as Roxas from Kingdom Hearts? I wonder why he doesn't have the usual young boy voice he did for Roxas? Eh, must be puberty.:heh:

squaresphere

2008-10-17, 20:21

Does Soul want to be the most powerful death scythe? That's what was said in EP. 1...

Probably, but after seeing ep 28 I think he's looking for power.

Reincarnated

2008-10-18, 00:17

Well Soul's voice is hot , but I dunno about Roxas. I don't think so :heh:

Probably, but after seeing ep 28 I think he's looking for power.

Gah I haven't watched ep 28 yet. Poor me.

It would be sweet if he's looking for power . Especially if he's doing that for his meister's sake.

HayashiTakara

2008-10-18, 03:05

He is doing it for Maka, he seems that he wants to be strong enough to protect her without her having to "use" him as a weapon.

Reincarnated

2008-10-19, 23:01

^ when you said that I remembered

the clown arc. when Soul make a sad face and touch Maka's clown face gently

Sometimes I'm confused. He's searching power because of 'his meister' , or because 'she's Maka'? It's different you know.

because weapon can change its meister. Meister can also change the weapon. As long as the soul wavelength matches. It has been discussed on the other thread

Gah my question is being more nonsense. Sorry for that , but I'm curious :heh:

HayashiTakara

2008-10-19, 23:42

I personally wanna see Soul be able to fight without turning into a weapon. All he needs really is to learn some martial arts, and incorporate his transformation into it.

Reincarnated

2008-10-20, 00:01

Ah I want to see that too. Oh wait , did he do it once when he battled with Free?

but if he is able to do that , he won't partner with Maka :heh:

Anh_Minh

2008-10-20, 03:01

He did it against Kid. He and Black Star only won thanks to a fluke and Kid's severe OCD.

lmd_84

2008-10-21, 11:59

He can do it, but his technique in the Kid fight involved partly transforming and charging at him. Not at all difficult to dodge or react against. At least if you're mister obsessive shinigami-boy.

I think what would be useful for Soul if he wants to fight on his own is to take some tips from Justin Law, who apparently has never had a Technician. Their Weapon forms have blades in common at least, so it could be something he could look into. Can't see Justin disagreeing if the subject came up.

Reincarnated

2008-10-22, 03:59

^ But as I say , if he's able to do that , he won't need Maka anymore -_-" and then , Soul Eater story ends. Final.

lmd_84

2008-10-22, 12:40

I think that perspective does Soul something of a disservice, because you're implying he's only using Maka to get power, and would throw her away if a better opportunity came about. I for one think there's more to their relationship than that. No to mention I really can't see Soul being genuinely that callous. I'm not his biggest fan, but he seems for the most part to have good intentions.

For a start, Maka began her whole 'strength' issue on the back of Soul's injury in episode 8. At the time, Soul was convinced it was the place of the Weapon to have the strength to protect the Technician, hence why he got slashed across the chest in the first place. I think the second Crona fight demonstrated that they really are willing to work for one another, to protect one another, not just themselves.

Reincarnated

2008-10-23, 05:37

HayashiTakara

2008-10-23, 10:24

Soul's desire for power isn't for something selfish, its for Maka's sake.

Lugia_Tsuyu

2008-10-23, 21:05

And Maka longing for power is also for Soul's sake, She wanted to be strong so he doesn't have to get hurt.

lmd_84

2008-10-24, 03:02

No no , you misunderstand. Or maybe I put it in wrong words. What I mean is , if he can fight on his own , he won't need a tech just like Justin. Because I don't know many about Soul's past , I can't say what is the real reason of him searching power.

But yes , I'm agree that Soul won't throw Maka like that. That's why I said "if" , right?

I think the others have said it better than I have: Maka and Soul are looking for strength, but in order to protect one another, not for selfish reasons.

I misunderstood your comment about Soul getting to a point where he could fight single-handed, as I thought you were claiming he's only interested in power alone. I think if he did get to that point, rather than not having a Tech, Soul would use that skill to contribute to him and Maka as a team.

The way these two work together and have come to understand one another and their motives is why I like them as characters in the series.

Reincarnated

2008-10-26, 03:20

I'm looking forward to see Soul and Maka as a team indeed , not only just a tech and a weapon.

Ah by the way , I noticed this recently ; is Soul shorter than Maka? Or am I seeing things?

Katocchi

2008-10-26, 03:31

Ah by the way , I noticed this recently ; is Soul shorter than Maka? Or am I seeing things?

No .... no .... Soul is taller a bit,, Soul always walk like L in Death Note, so He looks shorter than Maka,,

I was Think same as you before,,:heh:

Reincarnated

2008-10-26, 08:29

Really? I think he's taller because of his hair :heh: but when I look the recent eipsode , I think he got taller. Or maybe that's because of his clothes? His new appearance makes him more..adult.

Katocchi

2008-10-26, 10:36

Really? I think he's taller because of his hair :heh: but when I look the recent eipsode , I think he got taller. Or maybe that's because of his clothes? His new appearance makes him more..adult.

Maybe ... But,, I prever like his old Outfit,, I want jacket like his :heehee:

Cub-Sama

2008-10-26, 11:43

Maybe ... But,, I prever like his old Outfit,, I want jacket like his :heehee:

His jacket looks like he plays for a football team

Also why shouldn't Soul be able to fight by himself, if he increases his speed all he'll need to do is transform his arm and attack.

Reincarnated

2008-10-30, 12:00

okay now when I re-watch Soul Eater , I started to think this pairing relationship is like a master and a servant. -_-"

Ronin Aquila

2008-10-30, 13:19

I'm gonna get roasted for this comment... :heh:

But somebody's gotta say it....

Deep breath...

HOLY COW!! That lingering, 3 second close up shot of Maka-chan's side-kick in the third set of Ending Credits really made her legs look Bloody Hot!! ;):heh:

HayashiTakara

2008-10-30, 15:25

Ronin Aquila

2008-10-30, 19:55

of course! Maka = <3 :heh:

What does <3 mean? :confused:

HayashiTakara

2008-10-30, 21:48

What does <3 mean? :confused:

lol, look at it again and think about it... lol

The Monarch of Roses

2008-10-31, 08:26

What does <3 mean? :confused:

<3 = Love

Take it to the limit.

Ronin Aquila

2008-10-31, 09:20

Oh good grief, me and my dirty brain, I thought it was something MUCH ruder. :heh:

Hmm, in terms of figure, the main girls are best in:

Maka: Legs :love:
Tsubaki: Waist :love:
Thompson Sisters: Bust. :love:

Reincarnated

2008-11-03, 09:28

as I said in another thread ; the new OP's animation gives me a chill...

I never recall such a sad scene from manga before. (At least , not for Maka falling from nowhere)
I wonder what will happen to these two..I'm really curious.

Katocchi

2008-11-03, 09:37

Ronin Aquila

2008-11-05, 10:10

Something I've noticed of late.

Maka baredly even talks to Kid, except to sigh in exasperation at his obsessive compulsive behavior.

Yet there seems to be a rapidly growing shipping fandom for them to be together.

Odd isn't it? :heh:

Reincarnated

2008-11-05, 10:15

^ Because they just look cute together. I thought once they're suited each other. Sometimes I even think that Maka can be paired up with Black*Star ( because Black*Star want to revenge Maka due to Arachne's spell , maybe he has some special feelings too )

But SoulxMaka forever! XD

Ronin Aquila

2008-11-05, 10:34

Sometimes I even think that Maka can be paired up with Black*Star ( because Black*Star want to revenge Maka due to Arachne's spell , maybe he has some special feelings too )

Well, if nothing else, that action on Black*Star's part is yet another indication that just as his partner Tsubaki is the nicest gal of the gang, he is its nicest bloke. ;)

HayashiTakara

2008-11-06, 18:57

OutSmart

2008-11-06, 19:01

yeh lol

it's like nearly ever series or every movie, you only need to see those two characters once to know how they will pair up.

SOul X maka I think its a given

BUT, you never know

(muuuuuuuwwaaaaaaaahahahaaha)

Katocchi

2008-11-07, 02:20

No ... NO ... Put MakaxKid in ... Nyahahaha ... :heh: :kisskiss:

Reincarnated

2008-11-07, 07:43

As long as it's not debated like IchiRuki or IchiHime , it's not a problem with me (ups..off topic)

It's not that I want to insult either ^^; but in the manga..well...

Maka and Black*Star have once had a fight due to who's the strongest. It's just possibility since Soul doesn't reach much either.

But come on~~ I'm a huge fan of SoulxMaka , and if any other pairing besides that happen , I will kill Ookubo-sensei for sure.

Besides , Maka's father doesn't like Soul right? Maybe because he feel that Soul will take his daughter away in the future (just maybe...I have read many mangas which have the father of the main character is like this)

Katocchi

2008-11-07, 08:12

- Death Scythe is Shinigami-Sama Weapon = very Close
- Maka is Kid's Friend
- They Can be engaged .. :D

But ...

- Soul is Maka's Weapon
- They are live in same apartement
- Can become Couple Too .. :)

Oh Crap,, If Crona is a Boy He/She can be Maka's boyfriend too .. :upset:
Since Maka always think about Crona .. :upset:

This is not Shojo story .. We just wait what will happen ..

I like both of MakaxSoul and MakaxKid But I prefer Like .....

MakaxKid .. KatocchixSoul :heh:

HayashiTakara

2008-11-07, 08:41

Reincarnated

2008-11-07, 09:56

By your logic, every guy Maka comes in contact with has a shot at Maka :eyespin:

I LOL'ed at this one :heh:
That means Maka is so hot! :D

Kid has been encouraged to be engaged once by his father to be his weapon ^^; but he denied it all for being not symmetrical.

I guess Soul and Maka being lived in the same apartment doesn't really count.. I think a weapon and meister pairing HAS to live in the same apartment (same goes for Black*Star and Tsubaki)

and oh my God...MakaxChrona is a no please...that's why I want Chrona to be a girl.

OutSmart

2008-11-07, 14:28

Agreed with Reincarnated.

And katocchi, without manga spoilers (I only see the anime) what gave you the idea of MakaXKidd?

I rly dont see that happening.

Reincarnated

2008-11-07, 17:24

^ it doesn't rly happened in the manga too though..:heh:

As I said before (maybe) they look cute together. I too have no idea until Katocchi brought it up.

HayashiTakara

2008-11-07, 18:26

^ it doesn't rly happened in the manga too though..:heh:

As I said before (maybe) they look cute together. I too have no idea until Katocchi brought it up.

Yeah he/she(?) have nothing to back it up. Its an aesthetics thing. Nothing beyond the outer appearance.

Katocchi

2008-11-08, 02:51

I LOL'ed at this one :heh:
That means Maka is so hot! :D

Kid has been encouraged to be engaged once by his father to be his weapon ^^; but he denied it all for being not symmetrical.

I guess Soul and Maka being lived in the same apartment doesn't really count.. I think a weapon and meister pairing HAS to live in the same apartment (same goes for Black*Star and Tsubaki)

and oh my God...MakaxChrona is a no please...that's why I want Chrona to be a girl.

But after ...
Kid not too Depressed When His Hand be cut by Mosquito .. and one of three line in his hair become longer ..

Maybe now Kid learn to accept something not Symmetric .. Uhmm, I think 'he must learn to be Normal boy'

About live in Same apartement ... That's why Meister and Weapon that have different gender usually become Couple .. Maybe Like Maka's Parents

Then .. As I said in other thread .. I think If Crona a girl, Maka is Like a Yuri since She think Crona too much .. I mean .. As a Friend, Maka too much worry about Crona, It's like more than Friend,,

Agreed with Reincarnated.

And katocchi, without manga spoilers (I only see the anime) what gave you the idea of MakaXKidd?

I rly dont see that happening.

MakaxKid .. Uhmm ... I just think If They become couple, They become a powerful, Cute, nice and funny couple,, ah ... what I said .. :heh::heh:

Reincarnated

2008-11-08, 09:19

Well judging of how Maka's personality was , she's a serious and striving person. And she seemed can't leave a lone person (e.g. Chrona . And Soul for being so mysterious) She's kinda naive.

But SoulxMaka please T_T

And uh yes...Maka's parents are a good example --- except their divorce :heh:

Katocchi

2008-11-08, 09:57

Okay I see know .. But I still have strange feeling about Maka and Crona ..:thinker:

As I said before .. Better that MakaxKid and KatocchixSoul :innocent::stupid:

lmd_84

2008-11-08, 10:03

But after ...
Kid not too Depressed When His Hand be cut by Mosquito .. and one of three line in his hair become longer ..

Maybe now Kid learn to accept something not Symmetric .. Uhmm, I think 'he must learn to be Normal boy'

About live in Same apartement ... That's why Meister and Weapon that have different gender usually become Couple .. Maybe Like Maka's Parents

Then .. As I said in other thread .. I think If Crona a girl, Maka is Like a Yuri since She think Crona too much .. I mean .. As a Friend, Maka too much worry about Crona, It's like more than Friend,,

MakaxKid .. Uhmm ... I just think If They become couple, They become a powerful, Cute, nice and funny couple,, ah ... what I said .. :heh::heh:

Kid's hair went back to normal. And if Mosquito's to be believed, he's going to gain three full stripes as he grows up, thus making his hair symmetrical. The Mosquito fight was a good example of Kid ignoring his petty obsessions for the sake of the mission (plus, he didn't seem to fully understand what was going on...). I can imagine Kid perhaps eventually toning down his obsessions out of necessity, but thanks to his parentage he's never going to be a normal boy like his peers.

Yes, Maka and Soul live in the same apartment, but it's not shown to be 'usual' in canon that Weapons and Meisters become couples. The only example we have of this is Kami and Spirit. Maka cares a lot about all her friends. I think she also sees something of herself (or what she could be, thanks to the black blood) in Crona. Generally, she's just a sensitive person (kind of like her father only without the hysterics). I don't agree that her attitude towards Crona is anything more than platonic at this stage. I can't see Maka even venturing into such a relationship considering Crona's mental state.

Between Maka and Kid I see two smart, (usually) rational people who could potentially connect on that level. In practice, they don't really talk to one another, but nor are they antagonistic to one another. Not a pairing I can really see, but not entirely impossible either.

Katocchi

2008-11-08, 10:20

Yes, Maka and Soul live in the same apartment, but it's not shown to be 'usual' in canon that Weapons and Meisters become couples. The only example we have of this is Kami and Spirit.

Between Maka and Kid I see two smart, (usually) rational people who could potentially connect on that level. In practice, they don't really talk to one another, but nor are they antagonistic to one another. Not a pairing I can really see, but not entirely impossible either.

But I think BS and Tsubaki have a feeling too .. :rolleyes:

Yes .. They dont' really talk to one other .. :sad:

MakaxSoul = MeisterxWeapon,, too Strange in fact a man be couple with weapon
Think if you marry a knife, Saw or something ..
How Kami can married with Spirit .. Too Strange ... :uhoh:

lmd_84

2008-11-08, 10:41

True, Tsubaki and Black Star might have romantic potential, but my point was that in canon the only couple who are/were Tech and Weapon were Maka's parents.

The idea of a pair marrying might be odd to us, but not necessarily to the people of Death City, especially seeing as Kami is a Tech and knows about Weapons. Now, if an ordinary girl met a Weapon boy, that might be more difficult. I reckon when it comes to the Shibusen students, it's just accepted that Weapons are a bit different.

I think when it comes to relationships with Weapons it's important to remember that for the purposes of the series they are people. They change their physical appearance, but they are people, and are apparently thought of as human.

HayashiTakara

2008-11-08, 13:46

Weapons are human who are born with a special ability, thats all there is to it. Arachne is the reason for this "mutation"

Reincarnated

2008-11-08, 19:47

^If it continues better move the topic to the general discussion thread :heh:
Just reminding :) eventhough the topic becomes pretty interesting here.
While I too questioned how a weapon and a tech can be married..etc..

The idea of a pair marrying might be odd to us, but not necessarily to the people of Death City, especially seeing as Kami is a Tech and knows about Weapons. Now, if an ordinary girl met a Weapon boy, that might be more difficult.

I think this answered my question. This is an anime after all , and anything can happen while our sense always ask "Why can it be like that??" etc.

Though I still can't understand if Arachne mutated 'all' demon weapons (I think maybe some of the weapons are generally born)

And yes , it's better to say that Maka cares a lot about all her surroundings (include her papa of course) but in my opinion , she doesn't really like to question her friend's problem farther than "Are you all right?" (you can see when she wanted to investigate Soul in the Eve's party , she thought "I don't want to keep asking and annoys him.") or when Chrona have a mind because of Medusa , Maka just stare at her in worry.

Well I could be wrong ^^;

Katocchi

2008-11-09, 08:34

Now I'm Curious about new op .. why soul scream ??? and why Maka pass out ??? or maybe death .. :upset:

Reincarnated

2008-11-09, 09:50

Now I'm Curious about new op .. why soul scream ??? and why Maka pass out ??? or maybe death .. :upset:

And you have to know how insane I became when I see the scene for the first time.

There're many opinions about these.
Whether it's a symbol of "Clown" arc (I will add spoiler if you want)
Or her soul taken due to the madness (partially because black blood's fault)
Or it's just a mere illusion (of what Soul feared most)
Or she's just knocked out. (But why Soul screams?)
Or She's really DEAD. (Which I really can't think of...)

Now choose it yourself.
Someone have another opinion? I'm really glad to see that :D

lmd_84

2008-11-09, 10:22

I think hallucination. I can't see Soul reacting so badly to Maka merely being knocked out, and though the Clown arc is a horrible hallucination (little!Maka seeing her daddy literally drop dead, of all things...) it's not that sort of 'horrible'.

If it is the Clown arc, then the OP's final shot indicates that the anime's altered the tone of the Soul and Maka interaction within it. Which I would find a shame, because there are several stories to come I'd like them to keep to the manga, and that's one of them.

Reincarnated

2008-11-10, 10:01

^ Well , when I read the newest episode titles , it seems they still follow the manga. At least until the BREW arc.

And uh yes lmd_84 , you have a point. (and you have said that in another forum) I too a little bit disagree if the clown arc becomes the ending (though it will be good if it becomes an opening to 2nd season)

ooh and by the way -- maybe I post this wrong. Maka's seiyuu will have her birthday tomorrow (November 11st)

Katocchi

2008-11-11, 02:57

Kay .. Happy Birthday Omigawa-San ... Ganbatte !!

Reincarnated

2008-11-12, 05:45

Katocchi

2008-11-12, 06:25

Uhmmm .. I think he'll protect all of his friends .. not only his meister ..

Girl_who_cried_gnome

2008-11-14, 15:46

hmmm well personally i think its just an excuse for him to seem so protective of maka... i mean even though his "cool" image is losing its intensity he still wants to appear somewhat heroic and such :cool::heh:

he could also say this as a form of self denial so he has an excuse for not only other people but himself as to why he wants to protect maka to such extents.

its open to however you want to interpret it and thats what i love about this pairing and pretty much any other pairing in this series :D

HayashiTakara

2008-11-15, 11:28

I have said happy b-day in another forum though :heh:

Btw this hits me hard : Soul always said "I'm willing to die for my meister" "Don't touch my meister" etc etc , and you all know he can change meister. That means whoever the meister is , Soul will still protect him/her. Am I right? O_O"

Such blasphemy! To belittle Souls attachment to Maka like that >_>

Uhmmm .. I think he'll protect all of his friends .. not only his meister ..

Soul has never talked about protecting other people, his only concern has always been Maka.

Cub-Sama

2008-11-15, 12:19

That just made me think, can Soul even fend for himself using his scythe it's like he can only turn his arm into a scythe but with Death Scythe IRC he could turn his arm into a scythe or make it come out of his back.

lmd_84

2008-11-15, 18:42

One thing with Soul is that fighting single-handed is still something relatively new to him. Perhaps he hasn't learnt to transform anything more than his arm because he hasn't needed to, fighting together with a meister in most battles. However, his single arm thing has proved useful, tricking Blair and surprising (though not bothering, worst luck), Free.

Spirit actually materialised several blades at once in episode 1, though at the time more for the look of the thing (switching from blathering ladies man to pissed-off Death Scythe father) than anything else. Then they disappear when Shinigami tells him he can't interfere with Maka's mission by killing Blair himself.

I think if Soul took the time to learn, he could become effective at using his Weapon form on his own to fight. Considering the sorts of spots he and Maka have ended up in throughout the series, I can easily imagine this becoming a plot-point in the future.

Cub-Sama

2008-11-16, 11:59

I think if Soul took the time to learn, he could become effective at using his Weapon form on his own to fight. Considering the sorts of spots he and Maka have ended up in throughout the series, I can easily imagine this becoming a plot-point in the future.

If that did happen I think it would cause mental distress with Maka, because she wanted to become stronger to protect Soul, now if Soul is able to fight alone don't you think she would become insecure and think that everyone is becoming so much stronger while she stays behind and even her partner who the two were suppossed to be become stronger together gets left behind. Which in my opinion will cause a rift with the two causing something similar to when they first encountered Wolfy.

lmd_84

2008-11-16, 14:28

Well, if Soul has that kind of development in mind, I think he and Maka have come far enough since the Free fight that he might not go it alone, and recognise that as his Tech Maka's thoughts on the idea really do matter.

That and I think that Maka has at least been shown (if not herself realised) that she was simply wrong in thinking that she needed brute force to become stronger (on more than one level, it just didn't work in London). Personally, I reckon her strength lies elsewhere, and that she and Soul work as a team when they can compliment one another.

But...knowing how these two aren't always open with one another, I could be wrong about them actually working together if Soul wants to learn to fight for himself.

Reincarnated

2008-11-16, 17:30

I think Maka no longer thinks as her thought 'want to be stronger' in London. Yes , she wants to be stronger , but with Soul. Yet she developes a lot of ability now , that Soul Perception ability and her demon-slayer wavelength (which makes demon hunter) that makes her immune to negative spells.

About them working together , I still do think they always do so , because we know that Soul and Maka want to be stronger to protect each other (even in the last chapter Soul mention it. That for her sake , he has to be stronger)

but knowing Soul didn't tell about his family even to her partner...that would be one of their argument topics in the future -_-"

Cub-Sama

2008-11-17, 13:29

About them working together , I still do think they always do so , because we know that Soul and Maka want to be stronger to protect each other (even in the last chapter Soul mention it. That for her sake , he has to be stronger)

but knowing Soul didn't tell about his family even to her partner...that would be one of their argument topics in the future -_-"

But Soul isnt the type to tell his feelings so he might learn to fight alone just in case Maka and him are ever seperated or maka is incapacitated and if that ever happens he will me able to protect her. Which is why I think that they are going to have some 'You thinking you have to protect me hurts me even more' kind of talks.

Reincarnated

2008-11-17, 19:31

^ Uh well yes...if they would have that kind of talk , I think that would happen. (That's why I said it'll be an argument someday) But no matter it is , Soul won't want Maka to cry (ehm..right?)

But they once had that thinking right. "Have to protect him/her no matter what" that made their wavelengths doesn't match each other. And so Maka thought she had to be strong with Soul. So , if an argument appears here , it would be Soul's fault then ^_^"

Ever thinking Soul want to change his meister in order to protect Maka?

lmd_84

2008-11-18, 14:35

Ouch. You have a point, but it's a painful idea. It would indicate a serious lack of communication between the two that Soul really found it necessary to change partners in order to protect Maka. I really think they're best off with one another.

On the subject, I've considered whether Soul would even be allowed to work with another meister. Maka got infected with the black blood due to soul resonance in the Free fight. That being the case, Soul could easily infect any other meister who wields him. I think even if Soul wanted to leave Maka, he'd consider the likelihood of the black blood affecting someone else before accepting another meister.

We don't know how much Shinigami and the staff know about Maka and Soul's situation, but given that Stein and Spirit knew it was a likely problem back in episode 8, Shinigami might not agree to Soul being used by anyone other than Maka at this point; he knows what might happen. Like other characters, Soul can pass on insanity through the black blood. And that is something Shibusen's people do not need. And I can't imagine Soul would wish it on anyone else if he had a say in the matter.

Cub-Sama

2008-11-18, 15:13

We don't know how much Shinigami and the staff know about Maka and Soul's situation, but given that Stein and Spirit knew it was a likely problem back in episode 8, Shinigami might not agree to Soul being used by anyone other than Maka at this point; he knows what might happen. Like other characters, Soul can pass on insanity through the black blood. And that is something Shibusen's people do not need. And I can't imagine Soul would wish it on anyone else if he had a say in the matter.

To add to that, if Soul ever feels insanity as bad as Stein feels it then he might not want to resonate with Maka and if that situation arises he needs to know how to fight alone which is why I want to see Justin mentoring him on fighting alone. Black Star can do it, the Thompson sisters can do it in conjuction with each other, I think Tsubaki can do it and

Kidd's shinigami martial arts style is lethal

So it's like it is only Maka and Soul that can't fight alone and one day they will be seperated and need to fight.

lmd_84

2008-11-18, 16:20

All the more reason why Soul needs to work out whether he wants to learn to fight on his own so that he can deal with that situation (it's come up more than once, and it definitely figures in his desire to protect Maka). I'm not sure how, if at all, Maka would fair if left alone in a fight. She lacks the physical strength of other characters, and while that difference doesn't really impair her as a meister, when it comes to single combat, she's undoubtedly at a disadvantage.

One thing I've considered about Maka's future is that she might take a more detached role in missions when she's not with Soul: physical power isn't her thing, but an understanding of soul wavelengths is. Like Yumi Asuza, we could see an older Maka working on her own through strategic or similar functions when not involved in front-line combat with Soul Eater.

Cub-Sama

2008-11-18, 16:37

One thing I've considered about Maka's future is that she might take a more detached role in missions when she's not with Soul: physical power isn't her thing, but an understanding of soul wavelengths is. Like Yumi Asuza, we could see an older Maka working on her own through strategic or similar functions when not involved in front-line combat with Soul Eater.

Kidds gonna be the new Shinigami, the Thompson Sisters the new Death Scythes, Tsubaki the new Marie, Black Star the new Sid, Maka the new Azusa and Soul the new Justin!

Maka does seem like the scanning type but the thing is Azusa has an advantage cos she is a weapon, so she can fight and scan but Maka can't fight without Soul so she is a sitting duck if an enemy ever attacks her head on and she isn't with Soul cos she cant send her wavelength out of her hands, legs or body parts only out of Soul.

Anh_Minh

2008-11-18, 16:57

Reincarnated

2008-11-18, 20:37

since Maka is a girl we can't help it -_-" it's obvious thst her physical power is the weakest here.

But don't forget about her 'demon-slayer' wavelength. Maka is infected by black blood , but because of her wavelength , the black blood will disappear. (This can be one reason Soul won't change his meister) and although I said that whether Soul is thinking about changing meister , I don't think that'll happen since in the very first episode , he has shown his loyality.

If we have to compare this pair with the others , yes Soul and Maka may be the weakest , if they are separated. But their bond is the strongest in my opinion , makes the resonance stronger too , and the wavelength will be amplified much more.

and ohh -- I don't think Maka will be the new Asuza. I think she fits to be a new 'Joe' :heh:

Zoe

2008-11-18, 21:14

sand ohh -- I don't think Maka will be the new Asuza. I think she fits to be a new 'Joe' :heh:

Yup, exactly.

lmd_84

2008-11-19, 12:32

Zoe

2008-11-19, 14:01

Azusa's scanning is different from soul perception. Hers is telescopic in nature.

crystalalien87

2008-11-19, 15:11

Cub-Sama

2008-11-19, 15:50

crystalalien87

2008-11-19, 15:54

Even with the black blood Black Star without a weapon is still deadly as his ability to use his wavelength as a weapon is suited to fight the Black Blood therefore if he uses the Fey Blade thing as well Maka with surely die. Black Star's power is probably on par with someone like Stein or Sid.

oh yea i forgot about that :upset: plus we havent seen the apperance of...

but i still think its unfair to have her really strong for like a few episodes and then make her weak...

Cub-Sama

2008-11-19, 16:08

oh yea i forgot about that :upset: plus we havent seen the apperance of...

but i still think its unfair to have her really strong for like a few episodes and then make her weak...

But in those episodes she was facing relatively weak opponents to make her look stronger whilst Black Star and Kidd always faced the stronger tier

Also it is kind of mean to compare Black Star and Kidd to Maka cos, Kidd is a Shinigami and Black Star

wavelength is becoming like his father White Star.

crystalalien87

2008-11-19, 17:20

thats very true about kid.. but they made her to be a really strong meister by saying her mother was amazing...and she turns out weak :( but maybe it will work out later...

Cub-Sama

2008-11-19, 19:12

thats very true about kid.. but they made her to be a really strong meister by saying her mother was amazing...and she turns out weak :( but maybe it will work out later...

She isn't even near her mother's level yes Maka is talented and has potential no doubt about that but the lack of communication between Soul and Maka dulls their power in my opinion because stronger resolve and stronger bond = greater wavelength and resonance.

Tsubaki and Black Star have a great bond and communicate and understand each other same with the Thompson Sisters and Kidd and added with Kidd and Black Star's talent/power it makes them seem ultra powerful.

Iron Maw

2008-11-19, 21:47

i dont understand how they made maka such a strong character at the beginning and now she is like the weakest...? lets recap for a second... they almost made soul into a death scythe which means they had the most souls out of everybody? and now its like out of the 3 she is the weakest? its obvious if she fought black star she would lose and kid is a given.. the only way i can see her winning is if she uses the black blood with soul? other then that she just has smarts? i do hope she becomes stronger cuz its no fun watching her get her ass handed to her...

Yes, Maka does get stronger, however B*S and Kid have always been stronger than her, but it doesn't make her weak.

Even with the black blood Black Star without a weapon is still deadly as his ability to use his wavelength as a weapon is suited to fight the Black Blood therefore if he uses the Fey Blade thing as well Maka with surely die. Black Star's power is probably on par with someone like Stein or Sid.

Maka wouldn't use Black Blood against B*S nor, does she need it. She put fight evenly when she gets a "certain other ability" along with using her brains.

She isn't even near her mother's level yes Maka is talented and has potential no doubt about that but the lack of communication between Soul and Maka dulls their power in my opinion because stronger resolve and stronger bond = greater wavelength and resonance.

I disagree. If anything Maka and Soul have the strongest bond, those two contsisently match themselves to each other, while B*S never matchs himself to Tsubaki instead she matchs herself to him.

Tsubaki and Black Star have a great bond and communicate and understand each other same with the Thompson Sisters and Kidd and added with Kidd and Black Star's talent/power it makes them seem ultra powerful.

Maka and Soul have shown to communicate with each other more than any of the other Meisters, and while they don't always understand another, whenever they do their SR are usually strongest out of the 3. It's much less mutual with B*S and Tsubaki as Tsubaki simply the "supporter" and normal let's B*S do whatever he wants.

Cub-Sama

2008-11-19, 22:17

Yes, Maka does get stronger, however B*S and Kid have always been stronger than her, but it doesn't make her weak.

She is kind of weak, alone Kidd, Sid, Stein, Black Star can fend for themselves but Maka is incapable of that.

Maka wouldn't use Black Blood against B*S nor, does she need it. She put fight evenly when she gets a "certain other ability" along with using her brains.

We are talking about a hypothetical situation we are not saying it will happen and can you honestly tell me that Maka can:

Defeat or fight evenly when facing Black Star using the fey blade mode with the Shadow Kata's, Black Star's wavelength is strong enough without a weapon in his resonance mode his wavelength could probably level a forest.

I disagree. If anything Maka and Soul have the strongest bond, those two contsisently match themselves to each other, while B*S never matchs himself to Tsubaki instead she matchs herself to him.[/QUOTE

Maka and Soul have a strong bond but I disagree it is the strongest, out of all other bonds their bond is the only one that has almost broken and during the Tsubaki vs Masamune fight it showed me that Black Star and Tsubaki have a very strong bond. Also Kidd's bond must be especially strong if him and the sisters can match all their wavelengths together.

[QUOTE]Maka and Soul have shown to communicate with each other more than any of the other Meisters, and while they don't always understand another, whenever they do their SR are usually strongest out of the 3. It's much less mutual with B*S and Tsubaki as Tsubaki simply the "supporter" and normal let's B*S do whatever he wants.

Maka and Soul keep the most secrets from each other how is that communicating, Maka doesnt tell Soul that she wants to protect him and Soul doesn't tell that to Maka, Soul doesn't tell Maka about his family, the little imp, the fear, the darkness none of that whilst Black Star and Tsubaki share almost everything. Also are you trying to tell me Kidd's Soul Resonance is weaker than Maka's or that B*S Fey Blade Resonance thing is weaker than Maka's, cos I have to disagree. Also B*S understands Tsubaki but he tries to change support her as well.

Iron Maw

2008-11-19, 23:15

She is kind of weak, alone Kidd, Sid, Stein, Black Star can fend for themselves but Maka is incapable of that.

Most Meisters can't can fight that like since your example lisits either people who can used their Soulwavelength, or are Gods. Does that mean every Meister is weak? A Meister true power has always shown to come from a combination of his/her SR with his/her Weapon, the other things are just bonuses, but won't determine the outcome of a fight. A Meister can do well with out them.

We are talking about a hypothetical situation we are not saying it will happen and can you honestly tell me that Maka can:

Defeat or fight evenly when facing Black Star using the fey blade mode with the Shadow Kata's, Black Star's wavelength is strong enough without a weapon in his resonance mode his wavelength could probably level a forest.

Yes, for one thing we don't know all Demon Hunter's abilities. Second B*S isn't the only one in the series who does off-screen training, Maka for example during the Clown arc used a new technique Whirlwind Cutter.

and if your talking about when he was running through
the woods, that was in Demon Blade mode and he hardly levelled the forest.

Maka and Soul have a strong bond but I disagree it is the strongest, out of all other bonds their bond is the only one that has almost broken

Yet, despite that it didn't break did? In fact it only strengthern after that.

and during the Tsubaki vs Masamune fight it showed me that Black Star and Tsubaki have a very strong bond. Also Kidd's bond must be especially strong if him and the sisters can match all their wavelengths together.

I didn't say B*S and Tsubaki didn't have a strong bond, however that only one of the few times B*S actually acknowledge her rather than himself. As far Kid is concerned is it really surprising that he can function well two Weapons since he's a God?

Maka and Soul keep the most secrets from each other how is that communicating, Maka doesnt tell Soul that she wants to protect him and Soul doesn't tell that to Maka, Soul doesn't tell Maka about his family, the little imp, the fear, the darkness none of that whilst Black Star and Tsubaki share almost everything.

Maka knows about all of that except Soul's family, Tsubaki didn't know about B*S history until the Masamune arc and B*S didn't know Tsubaki's family either until a later arc.

Also are you trying to tell me Kidd's Soul Resonance is weaker than Maka's or that B*S Fey Blade Resonance thing is weaker than Maka's, cos I have to disagree. Also B*S understands Tsubaki but he tries to change support her as well.

Maka's Demon Hunter is only thing that strong enough to hurt Asura so, yeah it is. B*S SR is more about speed and versatility than power anyway, and Kid hasn't gotten any stronger since the start of the Manga.

Reincarnated

2008-11-19, 23:57

Please remind urself that Stein did say when they first met , that Soul and Maka seemed in resonance then they don't. Soul almost being a death scythe because Maka is smart , finding their enemy's weakness , and (maybe) they pwned the weaklings.

About the bond , maybe I'm wrong about them being strongest , but their bond are strong. Without words , have the most secrets between them yet they can still understand each other. Maka is stubborn and usually , Soul lost to her stubborness (during Chrona fight). Despite of that ,Soul admits the Maka is the one who saved him from the darkness , and have to be stronger for her sake And because they have so many secrets , when it's revealed their bond are shaken , but after they overwhelmed that , they become stronger.

If you said the power here is physical power , yes Maka is the weakest among the three. But when it comes to negative spells that I even doubt Black Star can dispel it , Maka has her wavelength to be immune of that.

lmd_84

2008-11-20, 03:17

Maka's Demon Hunter is only thing that strong enough to hurt Asura so, yeah it is. B*S SR is more about speed and versatility than power anyway, and Kid hasn't gotten any stronger since the start of the Manga.

Point of clarification there: If I recall correctly, the Clown isn't Asura himself. It is the manifestation of Asura's insanity being contagious. We don't know what effect Demon Hunter would have upon Asura, but we do know Maka can combat his insanity to some extent. Which, under the circumstances, is still quite the achievement.

Seeing as I've been reminded that Maka's 'Demonslayer wavelength' referred to in ch55 isn't the new thing I thought it was (!), it looks to me (again, could be wrong) that Maka's having her own skills built up with regards to facing Asura and his consequences.

The recent manga chapters shows Kid's potential in a big way. Depressing, but big.

HayashiTakara

2008-11-20, 22:26

A master technician doesn't need to have a bond to use a weapon. They can alter their wavelengths to whatever it needs to be, like Stein, he can use anything. Black Star is prodigy in soul wavelength manipulation.

lmd_84

2008-11-21, 05:27

But only offensively. When it comes to understanding other people's soul wavelengths, he's useless and has admitted as such (couldn't feel Asura's insanity until it was too late). The fact that experienced Techs don't need to have too strong a bond doesn't make it any less important for the students to understand the whole soul theory side of combat. Presumably if the wavelengths of, say, Yumi and Sid seriously conflict at any point, he won't be able to use her.

And examples like Spirit and Stein rather tells us that not needing a positive bond (due to Stein's manipulative genius) isn't entirely a good thing. Spirit at least was screwed up by the whole situation.

Anh_Minh

2008-11-21, 05:37

Iron Maw

2008-11-21, 07:38

Point of clarification there: If I recall correctly, the Clown isn't Asura himself. It is the manifestation of Asura's insanity being contagious. We don't know what effect Demon Hunter would have upon Asura, but we do know Maka can combat his insanity to some extent. Which, under the circumstances, is still quite the achievement.

Seeing as I've been reminded that Maka's 'Demonslayer wavelength' referred to in ch55 isn't the new thing I thought it was (!), it looks to me (again, could be wrong) that Maka's having her own skills built up with regards to facing Asura and his consequences.

The recent manga chapters shows Kid's potential in a big way. Depressing, but big.

Ah, I see. Well in either she more poweful than some give her credit for. Just because she's brain doesn't she can't have solid fighting skill s to back her up. She isn't the best but, Maka is close enough.:)

Zoe

2008-11-21, 07:39

No, he's just strong. He's not particularly good at changing his wavelength.

Yes. Tsubaki's the only one who can be his partner because HER wavelength accomodates his.

Reincarnated

2008-11-21, 08:07

I'm wondering if someday Maka can change her wavelength as she wishes just like Stein , since she has that soul perception ability.

Just because she's brain doesn't she can't have solid fighting skill s to back her up. She isn't the best but, Maka is close enough.:)

well...although when she's angry she is as reckless as BlackStar :heh:
she has a fighting skill , but not as strong as BlackStar. Eventhough all fighting in Soul Eater doesn't only require physical power , but mental and soul power is very important as well.

Iron Maw

2008-11-21, 08:30

I'm wondering if someday Maka can change her wavelength as she wishes just like Stein , since she has that soul perception ability.

I could certainly see that happening, it something that seems right up her alley.

well...although when she's angry she is as reckless as BlackStar :heh:
she has a fighting skill , but not as strong as BlackStar. Eventhough all fighting in Soul Eater doesn't only require physical power , but mental and soul power is very important as well.

She doesn't have to be though. Just strong enough to hold her own in which case she is.

Anh_Minh

2008-11-21, 10:02

I could certainly see that happening, it something that seems right up her alley.

I'm not so sure. She seems a bit too rigid for it.

Reincarnated

2008-11-21, 10:08

I'm not so sure. She seems a bit too rigid for it.

yes , for now. I do hope she can do that in the future though. Her understanding Chrona's wavelength is a way to go IMO.

Zoe

2008-11-21, 10:20

And she can use Tsubaki (though again, that may be because it's Tsubaki). It doesn't feel like she'd be too far off from the sisters either.

Katocchi

2008-11-21, 10:23

^ but in Anime She didn't use Tsubaki ..

Zoe

2008-11-21, 10:33

^ but in Anime She didn't use Tsubaki ..

But she did in the manga.

Reincarnated

2008-11-21, 10:37

but in Anime She didn't use Tsubaki ..

That's because of the stupid BONES :heh: yet I want to see Maka wields Tsubaki so much. It'll be a point towards her future after all.

Hm but she can't see through a soul protect yet ^^;
It'll be even better if Maka's mom showed up then teach her a proper way to use the soul perception ability like Stein does :heh:

Anh_Minh

2008-11-21, 11:14

I'd rather mom taught her how to fight.

Iron Maw

2008-11-21, 11:15

She is using it the proper way. It's just something that's going to evolve on it's own like BJ's.

Reincarnated

2008-11-21, 11:22

I'd rather mom taught her how to fight.

yes , that's too. since her mom faced a witch before.

She is using it the proper way. It's just something that's going to evolve on it's own like BJ's.

ehm yes that's what I mean :heh: didn't mean to confuse you.
if she will be like BJ (or even more powerful) , more witches will come after her for sure.
and with that ability too , I wonder if someday she can erase Soul's black blood , since she made the black blood disappeared itself in her body.

Kelrys

2008-11-25, 06:38

I just watched ep1, and wow I really love the voice of Maka.

Stream

2008-12-02, 05:20

Holy cow, I just went through all the pages of this thread and 90% of it is Maka x Soul shipping. Lets get the shipping over with:
It's possible that they've been a couple since the very beginning. Maka and Soul may not act out your typical shounen or shoujo romance, but their relationship is definitely like that of a couple, in a lot of ways. In fact, I'd say their relationship is more like a (real) couple than most romantic shounen and shoujo relationships you've seen.
Then again, it is possible that it is not a real relationship and that a lot of the relationship metaphor/behavior just originates with the nature of Weapon/Technician relationships calling for deep trust in each other. Stein is an exception to this, as he can match wavelengths without that.
Also, it's not certain how much of Maka's anger at betrayal is her seeing it as her father betraying Maka and her mother through his womanizing ways. It's certainly there.
Is there anything left to discuss?
I'm not sure how, if at all, Maka would fair if left alone in a fight. She lacks the physical strength of other characters, and while that difference doesn't really impair her as a meister, when it comes to single combat, she's undoubtedly at a disadvantage.

One thing I've considered about Maka's future is that she might take a more detached role in missions when she's not with Soul: physical power isn't her thing, but an understanding of soul wavelengths is. Like Yumi Asuza, we could see an older Maka working on her own through strategic or similar functions when not involved in front-line combat with Soul Eater.
WHAT IS UP WITH THIS? JUST BECAUSE MAKA IS A GIRL WHO MOSTLY FIGHTS HANDLING A BIG, LONG WEAPON DOESN'T MEAN SHE'S A WEAK FIGHTER WITHOUT IT!

Sorry, but seriously, I can't see where this is coming from. Consider the following:
Maka punches out Crona with her left fist at the start of their big fight. She's no slouch there. More impressive considering that unlike Stein and Black★Star, she isn't amplifying punches using her soul wavelength.
The Maka Chop is an instant 1HKO on Black★Star and Death Scythe. Ep 8 proves. You've gotta be strong to do that. Even Black★Star was flabbergasted. :heh:
She's a capable combatant imo, not as strong as Black★Star, sure, but plenty strong in her own right.

Now, just to derail this all off, I'll toss in a theory that Maka is also a weapon.
Liz and Patty prove that weapons can wield other weapons.
We know that being a weapon is in the blood, and Maka's dad is a Death Scythe, so there are strong odds of Maka being a weapon.
We know that Maka doesn't get along well with her father and wishes to emulate her mother, so it's perfectly possible that Maka, as a weapon, decided to be a technician like her mother instead of a weapon like her father.

Reincarnated

2008-12-02, 08:52

^ Uhm well? That's a long theory you have.

Eventhough I really hope for the two to be a couple , it's not decided yet. It's fun to discuss though , whether they'll be a couple or just a partner.

And -- Maka is a weak fighter WITHOUT Soul. It's obvious. The 'weak' standard here is relative , depends on your opinion though. She lost to B*S just with one hit. When she can't use Soul during Free arc , she barely can stand.

For the theory she is a weapon -- you seemed to forget that Stein has looked into her soul once , and has confirmed she is a meister.

lmd_84

2008-12-02, 13:15

WHAT IS UP WITH THIS? JUST BECAUSE MAKA IS A GIRL WHO MOSTLY FIGHTS HANDLING A BIG, LONG WEAPON DOESN'T MEAN SHE'S A WEAK FIGHTER WITHOUT IT!

Sorry, but seriously, I can't see where this is coming from. Consider the following:
Maka punches out Crona with her left fist at the start of their big fight. She's no slouch there. More impressive considering that unlike Stein and Black★Star, she isn't amplifying punches using her soul wavelength.
The Maka Chop is an instant 1HKO on Black★Star and Death Scythe. Ep 8 proves. You've gotta be strong to do that. Even Black★Star was flabbergasted. :heh:
She's a capable combatant imo, not as strong as Black★Star, sure, but plenty strong in her own right.

Now, just to derail this all off, I'll toss in a theory that Maka is also a weapon.
Liz and Patty prove that weapons can wield other weapons.
We know that being a weapon is in the blood, and Maka's dad is a Death Scythe, so there are strong odds of Maka being a weapon.
We know that Maka doesn't get along well with her father and wishes to emulate her mother, so it's perfectly possible that Maka, as a weapon, decided to be a technician like her mother instead of a weapon like her father.

Okay, first off I was not trying to say that Maka is a weak fighter as such. I was merely pointing out that compared to her peers, physical strength is not her greatest asset. Which it isn't. One time she tried to win a fight through brute strength - Free - it failed miserably until Soul stepped in with the black blood.

But her grasp of soul wavelengths, and how they can be used, is much stronger in Maka than any of the other characters. Even the nature of her wavelength is said to be unusual - Free and Medusa have called it a 'demonslayer' wavelength - which she used to meet Crona's level and defeat the Clown in the manga.

People have also argued that she could develop a greater level of Soul Perception(in line with BJ's form), and I agree with the possibility. Thosetraits were why I suggested she would take a role in Shibusen that didn't involve always fighting on the front-line.

On the Weapon thing - we've seen the souls of Weapons, and they bear resemblance to the weapon forms of each individual. So, I don't think Maka is one: her soul doesn't resemble a Weapon, even when under normal circumstances (when Stein analyses her), or in soul resonance (re the Crona fight).

Stream

2008-12-02, 21:59

Yeah, I know against Black☆Star and Stein Maka is lagging behind, but I think she could be an equal match for Death the Kid in physical combat.

Anyhow, she fought Free pretty competently handling Tsubaki. :confused: Besides, Free is someone who overpowers even Black☆Star. I'll go look at what the anime did there, since I only saw the manga for that.

It's also possible that Maka could wind up being a fighter like Stein. She's already done a double soul synchronization with Soul and Crona at the same time, which we know is really difficult, and it also proves synchronizing herself with another soul is something she'd do, she managed to wield Tsubaki (but we don't really know if that was Maka or Tsubaki's nature), and she has soul perception pretty close to Stein's, plus she's been taking a few lessons from him.

Oh, on the weapon thing, how are the souls of weapons different from the souls of technicians? I never noticed anything like that. I think my theory makes a lot of sense.

EDIT: Wow, Maka doesn't use Tsubaki in the anime? Why'd they change that? Anyhow, I don't think Black☆Star would've fared any better really.

Iron Maw

2008-12-02, 23:54

Stein and B*S ability to attack with they Soulwavelength is something their born with not learned. The only reason they bother with it is because they can enhance their strength through it and strike a Soul directly, Kid is a God so, he's naturally much stronger than an average human. These things give them a bit of an edge over other Meisters.

Most Meisters seem to be like Maka who purely on they weapon for combat, Kilik for example was could not fight without Fire and Thunder, nor Ox. This does not mean they aren't strong.

As far as fight with Free is concerned, I don't see B*S doing any better either, after all Free's immortal.

Clarste

2008-12-03, 00:38

but I think she could be an equal match for Death the Kid in physical combat.

Lol. Not likely, considering how BS fared against Kid. Body of a god and all.

Stream

2008-12-03, 01:07

Stein and B*S ability to attack with they Soulwavelength is something their born with not learned.
Umm... I found absolutely no evidence of that. Could you point out where you got that from? Black☆Star was pointed out to be a natural genius at attacking with his own soul wavelength, but I read that like it's normally a very difficult technique to learn and master.

The only reason they bother with it is because they can enhance their strength through it and strike a Soul directly, Kid is a God so, he's naturally much stronger than an average human. These things give them a bit of an edge over other Meisters.
Wow, if you think Maka isn't much stronger than the average human, you haven't paid good attention to the blows she's managed to take and still keep standing like nothing happened.

And Clarste, what scene are you talking about?

Iron Maw

2008-12-03, 01:32

Umm... I found absolutely no evidence of that. Could you point out where you got that from?

It's inferred when Shinigami mentions that Stein and B*S have unaturally large Souls which why they can use it, plus if anyone could learn it Stein and B*S won't be the only two who have it nor, would it be particularity special.

Wow, if you think Maka isn't much stronger than the average human, you haven't paid good attention to the blows she's managed to take and still keep standing like nothing happened.

I didn't mean it like that, Maka is definitely one of the strongest students in the school. I'm just saying physcially, Kid probably stronger than any of current students and likely half of the teachers at Shibusen because he is a God.

And Clarste, what scene are you talking about?

Remember the fight B*S and Kid had during BJ's Arc?

Clarste

2008-12-03, 01:43

And Clarste, what scene are you talking about?

When BS got all annoyed that he was on a losing streak, he challenged Kid to another fight (without weapons) by purposefully vandalizing the school. Kid responded to this and... well stomped him into the ground in an attempt to calm him down. It was in the middle of the BJ arc.

Anyway, the point is that Kid is physically more powerful than Black Star, and probably most people in the series. Maka is not "about the same" as him. I'm not saying she's weak, just that the other people on her team are monsters.

Stream

2008-12-03, 03:30

It's inferred when Shinigami mentions that Stein and B*S have unaturally large Souls which why they can use it, plus if anyone could learn it Stein and B*S won't be the only two who have it nor, would it be particularity special.
Mary has a version of it too (the internal generation used to get rid of the snake), and Justin certainly has something like that. You inferred it, but I don't believe that's the case.

Moreover, speaking of having a large soul:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1949/3435hj1.jpgI didn't mean it like that, Maka is definitely one of the strongest students in the school. I'm just saying physcially, Kid probably stronger than any of current students and likely half of the teachers at Shibusen because he is a God.
I know. ;)

I'm just saying the distinctions you seem to be making aren't the ones you ought to be making. There are implications in them that aren't quite right.

When BS got all annoyed that he was on a losing streak, he challenged Kid to another fight (without weapons) by purposefully vandalizing the school. Kid responded to this and... well stomped him into the ground in an attempt to calm him down. It was in the middle of the BJ arc.

Anyway, the point is that Kid is physically more powerful than Black Star, and probably most people in the series. Maka is not "about the same" as him. I'm not saying she's weak, just that the other people on her team are monsters.

Yeauch, I forgot about that scene. For what it's worth, Black☆Star was being much weaker than usual in that fight, but I'll have to agree, it does look unlikely that Maka will beat Death if he's that strong.

Well, fair enough. :)

Reincarnated

2008-12-03, 04:54

Stream

2008-12-03, 05:39

^ Okay I have to against the theory "a large soul" or sumthing. But if you're talking about a large soul WAVELENGTH , then I do believe. Stein and B*S have a talent for enchant their wavelength even without weapon. Maka has that large soul-wavelength because of Soul's wavelength amplified hers, while B*S and Stein doesn't need to do that.
Soul amplified Maka's wavelength without Maka wielding Soul? (Look at the right side of the picture again, Maka is clearly not holding anything. In fact, we clearly see Soul transforming into a scythe and Maka grabbing Soul later, on the left side of the page.) That's impressive. So, the sidetext displayed later saying "This is the strength of Maka" is off too?

You sure it wasn't just that Soul gave Maka the push she needed to tap into her own soul wavelength? Because, tbh, that's what it looks like to me.

And please remind that in this manga , both their personality and their strength developed as time flows. Maka is definitely weaker than Kid and BlackStar because her talent isn't a physical strength , moreover I see her intelligence and a special wavelength are her strengths. But from what I believe she is the main lead character in this series , so you can't say she will be weak forever too.
I don't quite think Maka is that much of a fighter who's reliant on her intelligence to win the fight, and I'm not sure what you mean by her special wavelength. I mean, lets look at:
Maka demands to fight Chrona, who is way stronger than her, instead of leaving it to the much better suited Black☆Star, and it turns out she actually had no plan, whatsoever when she was doing this. She then pummels Chrona senseless with physical attacks and finishes the fight by sacrificing her sanity to get the last necessary powerup.Oh and if you talk about the difference between meister's soul and weapon's soul , of course it's different , well duh.
Well, I completely disagree. I don't see how it's different at all, and I haven't seen any proof of what you're saying.

Liz maybe can use Patti , but they can't use soul resonance , right?
That's a defensive argument, and there's no proof in either direction.

BTW: You doubleposted. Could you delete one?

Reincarnated

2008-12-03, 07:33

Whoah sorry. My connection speed made fun of me . Damn.

Well , have to admit mostly I have no proof for what I'm saying. I'm just a fan here , and that's my opinion :D

Oh my , I forgot the spoiler for manga above. Oh well , here I say , at first I remember that Soul say "Feel my wavelength" when Maka was infected.

But yes -- u're right. It's not a soul resonance. But I wonder what is it then? ><"

And ugh...is it just me but I know a soul resonance is between a meister and a weapon? Meister passes down their wavelength to the weapon and weapon passes it back to the meister , and hatch a huge wavelength...right?

And her wavelength is special indeed. Hers is a 'demonwavelength' wavelength. Which able to neutralize Chrona's insane wavelength , and cleansed Clown's insanity , even when she is infected. And also , she can bring back Soul from his 'darkness' using Maka Chop :heh: while Medusa said it was because her wavelength in manga.

Maka is smart , but she is the most stubborn one. I have said it on my previous post . She prefer thinking of strategies in battlefield than charging directly. But she let her emotion took her easily. You can see it when she fought Free.

Pardon me for my wrong opinion though ^^; I'm a human too , I have a fault of course :)

Stream

2008-12-03, 08:47

Hello!

We all have opinions, and they're fun. :) I just started posting stuff like this because I figured I could get this thread more active and have some fun. :D Plus I just like crazy Maka who beats on stuff. She's cool. So, on to the fun discussion! To answer your first question, I think it was just that Soul gave Maka the push she needed to tap into her own soul wavelength. And about soul resonance, yeah, I agree. I just think there's nothing that stops weapons from being technicians too. I mean, we know weapons have their own soul wavelengths too, and Liz and Patty can fire each other and we know all they fire is amplified wavelengths, so... it just makes sense to me that a weapon can be a technician also. Heck, we even have a (Spoiler: Manga spoiler.) witch right now who's also a technician. :heh:

Oh, Maka's wavelength didn't quite neutralize Crona's insane wavelength:
It synchronized it, while she was also synchronized to Soul. o.O

That's one of those things that makes me wonder if Maka will wind up being like Stein. I mean, she synchronized to her enemy while being synchronized to Soul. That's... crazy hard.About the anti-demon wavelength, you're right, it does seem special. But they never really tell us special how. :mad: It does sound like her wavelength has special properties.

Oh, and, I agree, Maka is stubborn and smart, but I think the rightful claim to the title "Most Stubborn One" lies with Black☆Star. Still, Maka does let loose sometimes and does stuff that doesn't seem very bright. Like the time she (Spoiler: Free fight at the beginning) tackled Free right after using Witch Hunter on him to drop him in the water - if Soul didn't pull her back in the nick of time, she'd've been a goner.

Lastly, to err is human, and I'm certainly not faulting you for having an opinion. :D

lmd_84

2008-12-03, 10:55

Yeah, differing opinions are entertaining. But I still reckon Maka is physically the weakest of the main techs until we see otherwise (comparatively speaking). She can take a lot of damage, they all can, but it's been demonstrated from early on that, in contrast to Black Star, physical training isn't the way her partnership with Soul works. As Stein pointed out to her at one point, everyone works differently.

I figure when it comes to Kid, he's a different matter entirely. As others have said, if Black Star can't defeat him unarmed, then Maka would stand no chance if it came down to speed and brute strength.

Even taking soul wavelengths into account might not change much: Kid has Soul Perception at least as good as Maka's (they're the only ones of the kids to sense two particular souls in a later manga chapter), plus the manga has recently shown what Kid's capable of as a god, over and above his usual methods of simply being a cut above the human technicians in speed and strength.

Not that I'd want those two to come to blows - outside of practice, I can't see it happening - but it's another comparison I find interesting.

I would like to know more about the supposed differences in Maka's soul wavelength. What is it that gives her that particular advantage? State of mind, or some innate characteristic?

JunkKitty

2008-12-03, 14:41

lmd_84

2008-12-03, 15:04

Given Maka's strengths (physical and otherwise), she actually seems pretty versatile.

And no, there's no reason why she 'needs' to be as strong as Black Star or Kid, but when it comes to pigeon-holeing the characters do enough of that themselves, misguided though it can be.

Black Star disregards soul wavelengths for the sake of raw power, and Maka herself took the first Crona fight as an indication that she simply wasn't physically strong enough to get where she wanted to be, thus leading her to the mistakes that culminated in bad synchronisation between her and Soul during the Free fight.

Seems to me that in this series' dynamic of characters and their roles, it doesn't help to be single-minded.

Stream

2008-12-03, 16:03

There's some on-going bit in here about the theory of Maka also being a Weapon and just choosing not to use it?

Just a couple of things on that- if Maka had the ability to draw on her own weapon form, would she have chosen not to try to use it in defense of hers or Soul's life? She really honestly would just stand and watch Crona swing at her, willing to take the slash with her vunerable flesh body instead of transforming herself or some part into something better able to bear the attack? Not just in that fight, but anytime she's faced a dangerous, incoming blow?
Not even Soul manages that much. Besides, Maka can be a stubborn idiot. We've seen her do insane, suicidal shit a couple times now going strongly against what's sensible. If it's something she feels particularly strongly about and has a mental block about, like her issues with her dad, I wouldn't be too surprised. In the end, Maka's recklessness is second only to Black☆Star.

When she's in danger, she just doesn't think of or want to draw on an additional ability available to her? That takes some major heavy-duty willpower; it would be like her choosing to be a combat-capable Meister and then promptly cutting off a foot just so she couldn't be TOO useful. Forgive me, considering Maka's actions seen thus far, the logic isn't very good.
Um, no, she doesn't. Maka doesn't demonstrate preexisting additional abilities when in danger as much as she gains new abilities at the moment and demonstrates them. And, Maka does have some ridiculous willpower to her when it comes to things like that.

I know I'm discounting the idea that maybe her transforming ability just hasn't shown itself yet (she doesn't know) but we've been shown nothing in the manga to suggest this is possible. Weapons KNOW they're Weapons. I have no opinions of if a Weapon can also be a Meister, I don't see why not, but I have a really hard time believing that Maka wouldn't have shown the ability by now.
The possibility you're discounting though is a perfectly valid explanation too.

On a different yet discussed topic- Why *should* Maka be as physically strong as B*S or Kid? Those two are far from the norm, why are they be the standard she's supposed to meet or surpass to be considered a competent and capable fighter? I just get the idea that whenever people talk about Maka being weak or not, everyone's just using whatever definition of "strength" props up their opinion of her. She isn't "weak", if she were she wouldn't be teamed with B*S and Kid or else she'd long dead. But she won't be benchpressing B*S anytime soon :lol: But comparing her to them isn't meaningful except to bash her or direct her off the frontlines of combat.
Generic action shounen series protagonist reasons, because in the end this is just a generic shounen action series with style (and lots of it).
Because Maka's been forced into fighting people unarmed before and probably will be forced into it again.
Because all the characters seem to need to fix those issues that've been plaguing them. Maka's been having issues over her unarmed combat ability, Black☆Star's been having issues over his inability to use the demon sword, and Death the Kid needs to get over his OCD. All of these flaws have been utterly crippling at moments, and it seems to me that the direction this series is going in is that they will all overcome these issues and sort of round out more.

Maka easily has met the physical standard for a student of her rank- she's easily capable of getting through the fights necessary to collect the regular corrupt souls. The witch fight is one she's not expected to be able to handle yet. She's usually agile and clever with using the scythe (a terrible weapon, probably the worst type we've seen in SE to have to fight with). Sans Weapons, she'd smash Kim and I wouldn't bet against her vs Ox. She wouldn't be *just* a student if she were mature and skilled enough to handle every unusual super-unbalanced fight she's run into, but she's done well in some of them.
I'm not saying Maka should be a complete asskicker, but she shouldn't be worthless either. Most series have a bad habit of giving each character their place by creating situations which only they can handle (everyone else is worthless) and basically pigeonholing the cast into certain roles.

In other words, she's just like B*S and Kid, who each have their own problems to overcome in the major fights. I know its tempting to try to shove characters into little 'That's their speciality' pigeonholes, but thank god Soul Eater's more complex and dynamic than that.
I agree. I'm just predicting that, in fact, they will overcome the problems and the pigeonholes. ;)

On a different thing- does it seem like BONES is dumbing her down from the manga? Cutting down her fights by taking out her better/crazier scenes, and in the most recent one (35) dropping her use of Witch-hunter?
Yep. What bugged me is that they took out the part where Maka was fighting against Free using Tsubaki. Oh, and I think they're doing it to balance out the main characters. I mean, in order of main characters, Maka/Soul is THE main character combo. The secondary main characters are Black☆Star and Tsubaki. And, lastly, the Death/Liz/Patty is the main character trio with the least spotlight. I think they're just balancing it out for marketing reasons (ie. target demographic is boys, so we need to at least give the male protagonists just as much screen-time).

Given Maka's strengths (physical and otherwise), she actually seems pretty versatile.
:stupid:

And no, there's no reason why she 'needs' to be as strong as Black Star or Kid, but when it comes to pigeon-holeing the characters do enough of that themselves, misguided though it can be.
It looked me to like they were trying to get out of their pigeonholes, though.

Black Star disregards soul wavelengths for the sake of raw power, and Maka herself took the first Crona fight as an indication that she simply wasn't physically strong enough to get where she wanted to be, thus leading her to the mistakes that culminated in bad synchronisation between her and Soul during the Free fight.
Both Maka and Black☆Star really went against their designated roles this fight. Black☆Star took himself out of the fight by trying to use the demon sword which he's bad with, and then Maka had to take on Free first unarmed, then by using Tsubaki, then with Soul (using the Witch Hunter), and then making the last blow unarmed again. It seems to me that while Maka may be at her strongest with Soul, she certainly refuses to be weak without him, and she does fight very competently in the Free fight with what she's got. Black☆Star overcomes his limitation (later) too.
That's why I predict that Maka is going to be a stronger all-rounder type fighter later, and she does have a lot in common with Stein.

Seems to me that in this series' dynamic of characters and their roles, it doesn't help to be single-minded.
I'm not sure either way, really.

lmd_84

2008-12-03, 17:05

Care to explain the 'stupid' comment? You use that icon, then continue to say that Maka is going to end up an all-rounder. What am I missing here?

Stream

2008-12-03, 17:49

The full text, maybe? :confused:

The smiley says "I'm with stupid" - meaning "I agree."

Iron Maw

2008-12-03, 17:57

Mary has a version of it too (the internal generation used to get rid of the snake), and Justin certainly has something like that. You inferred it, but I don't believe that's the case.

Marie, didn't do anything similiar to B*S and Stein, nor did anyone state as such. I wouldn't be surprised if "internal generation" could be used by most people at Shibusen contrast B*S and Stein's ability which has been said only few can use.

Justin's "Silvergun" seem much closer to performing a Resonance than what Stein does, but there's too little info on that to say.

Moreover, speaking of having a large soul:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1949/3435hj1.jpg

I'm aware of that.:heh:

But that was after Soul helped bring out her "latent potenial". My point is B*S's Wavelength had been at similiar size from the beginning, not that Maka's own Wavelength wouldn't grow overtime.

I'm just saying the distinctions you seem to be making aren't the ones you ought to be making. There are implications in them that aren't quite right.

My wording likely a bit off, what I said though has been supported by the manga.

Yeauch, I forgot about that scene. For what it's worth, Black☆Star was being much weaker than usual in that fight, but I'll have to agree, it does look unlikely that Maka will beat Death if he's that strong.

Kid had been holding back in the fight until last few minutes though.

^ Okay I have to against the theory "a large soul" or sumthing. But if you're talking about a large soul WAVELENGTH , then I do believe. Stein and B*S have a talent for enchant their wavelength even without weapon. Maka has that large soul-wavelength because of Soul's wavelength amplified hers, while B*S and Stein doesn't need to do that.

That's what I was taking about, I'II simply just call it "wavelength".

Soul amplified Maka's wavelength without Maka wielding Soul? (Look at the right side of the picture again, Maka is clearly not holding anything. In fact, we clearly see Soul transforming into a scythe and Maka grabbing Soul later, on the left side of the page.) That's impressive. So, the sidetext displayed later saying "This is the strength of Maka" is off too?

You sure it wasn't just that Soul gave Maka the push she needed to tap into her own soul wavelength? Because, tbh, that's what it looks like to me.

Yes, it is her own power.

Even taking soul wavelengths into account might not change much: Kid has Soul Perception at least as good as Maka's (they're the only ones of the kids to sense two particular souls in a later manga chapter), plus the manga has recently shown.

Actually, Maka's beats Kid's as she was the only one who was able to sense Stein and Marie in the magnetic field during the Brew arc.

I would like to know more about the supposed differences in Maka's soul wavelength. What is it that gives her that particular advantage? State of mind, or some innate characteristic?

It's one of differences is probably tied to her strong Soul Perception.

Because Maka's been forced into fighting people unarmed before and probably will be forced into it again.

The only times she's fought unarmed was when she and Soul had damaged their synchronzation with each other before the Free fight, and when B*S and her had their spat. Being able to fight like that isn't as big of deal as you might think it is, a Meister and Weapon Combo, is far more powerful than fighting on our own. Doubt that Stein would have defeated Medusa wth out Spirit, or, B*S would not be as strong as he is now without Tsubaki.

Besides, B*S being able to attack with his Wavelength is what separates him from Maka with her Demonslayer Wavelength and Soul Perception. and Kid with his Shinigami powers. The three are meant to develop differently, and will likely end up equal in the end.

Because all the characters seem to need to fix those issues that've been plaguing them. Maka's been having issues over her unarmed combat ability,

Her issue was more her strength in general compared to B*S at least, that's how I saw it. Her "Demon Hunter" was her way getting that strength, just has how B*S has now gain control over Masamune.

Stream

2008-12-03, 20:58

Marie, didn't do anything similiar to B*S and Stein, nor did anyone state as such. I wouldn't be surprised if "internal generation" could be used by most people at Shibusen contrast B*S and Stein's ability which has been said only few can use.
You could be right, but it seems to me that internal generation is an ability more specific to Marie. It seems to have a lightning/electricity motif to it, which fits Mary to a T, Mjollnir being her name and all. Plus, since it's a lightning-based ability, I think it more or less has to be powered off of soul wavelength.

Justin's "Silvergun" seem much closer to performing a Resonance than what Stein does, but there's too little info on that to say.
It's a safe bet, though.

I'm aware of that.:heh:

But that was after Soul helped bring out her "latent potenial". My point is B*S's Wavelength had been at similiar size from the beginning, not that Maka's own Wavelength wouldn't grow overtime.
And my point is that Maka should be capable of it now or sometime in the future. :) She's starting to satisfy the preconditions.

BTW: It's perfectly possible (I'd even say probable) that Black☆Star's soul wavelength at the beginning was less than Maka's current soul wavelength, but still greater than the average person's.

Actually, Maka's beats Kid's as she was the only one who was able to sense Stein and Marie in the magnetic field during the Brew arc.
Agreed.

It's one of differences is probably tied to her strong Soul Perception.
Possibly, but for all we know it could just be tied to the Witch Hunter class of abilities, so Stein would fit the bill too.

The only times she's fought unarmed was when she and Soul had damaged their synchronzation with each other before the Free fight, and when B*S and her had their spat. Being able to fight like that isn't as big of deal as you might think it is, a Meister and Weapon Combo, is far more powerful than fighting on our own. Doubt that Stein would have defeated Medusa wth out Spirit, or, B*S would not be as strong as he is now without Tsubaki.
There's more than that.
First of all, in the Free fight, it's worth noticing that Maka returned to using an unarmed attack for the finishing blow after she and Soul had restored (and, in fact, even improved) their synchronization. It seems to me like to a certain extent, Maka does want to fight unarmed. Next, in the big fight against Crona, Maka's primary source of damage is her unarmed attacks, both before and during the effects of the black blood. The argument with Black☆Star also highlights an interesting tendency of Maka's to throw punches.Besides, B*S being able to attack with his Wavelength is what separates him from Maka with her Demonslayer Wavelength and Soul Perception. and Kid with his Shinigami powers. The three are meant to develop differently, and will likely end up equal in the end.
They are meant to develop differently, but I don't think that precludes them from gaining new abilities in different fields. I mean, Black☆Star becomes a sword fighter later on, which was outside his preexisting specialization.

Her issue was more her strength in general compared to B*S at least, that's how I saw it. Her "Demon Hunter" was her way getting that strength, just has how B*S has now gain control over Masamune.
I don't think it was so much the Demon Hunter that was her way of getting that strength as much as it was her own rise in soul wavelength. At any rate, envying Black☆Star does say something because it's not so much the strength of the bond between Black☆Star and Tsubaki that she envies as much as she envies Black☆Star's own strength. A good portion of it is emotional, to be sure, how she envies the way Black☆Star can be sure of his own path and let the devil take the rules, but I think a good part of it is literal too. Maka wanted the strength to avoid having Soul get hurt. (The same, Soul wants the strength to avoid having Maka get hurt, which is why he, similarly, envies Justin. Sacrificing your body, while a nice gesture, doesn't really help.) The type of strength that it requires for Maka to be able to fight without having Soul get hurt is the type of strength for Maka not to have to rely on Soul, for her to be able to fight by herself without him. That doesn't mean Maka and Soul intend to just fight solo, but that they want to be able to fight solo when it's called for, so they won't be helpless without each other and they won't have to put each other at risk.

Also, the ability to release a soul wavelength unarmed requires a strong soul wavelength, which she now possesses, and the ability to pay careful attention to one's own soul. Black☆Star has had the former from the beginning and does the latter naturally by virtue of his egomaniacal megalomania, but Maka seems to be starting to fit the bill in her own way too. Maka does have a large soul wavelength now, and as for sensing her own soul, well... We've seen Maka look at her own soul in the Crona fight, and there have been incidents later too, ESPECIALLY in the Clown arc, where we see Maka's awareness of her own soul. Moreover, Maka has a very capable Soul Perception which she can use to look at herself. Plus we've seen her release her own soul wavelength now (and that was practically an attack by itself, the way it blew crap out of the way), so it really seems to me like she's only a short step away from being able to fight unarmed now.

Iron Maw

2008-12-03, 22:41

You could be right, but it seems to me that internal generation is an ability more specific to Marie. It seems to have a lightning/electricity motif to it, which fits Mary to a T, Mjollnir being her name and all. Plus, since it's a lightning-based ability, I think it more or less has to be powered off of soul wavelength.

I think the "lighting" was just an effect for her. If anyone else could do it they would probably have a special effect for them, like with the Soul Projections, (i.e Maka's Wings, Justin's Cross etc.)

It's a safe bet, though.

Maybe.:)

And my point is that Maka should be capable of it now or sometime in the future. :) She's starting to satisfy the preconditions.

Oh, she is capable of it now, this isn't like what happenend with BREW and Kid.

BTW: It's perfectly possible (I'd even say probable) that Black☆Star's soul wavelength at the beginning was less than Maka's current soul wavelength, but still greater than the average person's.

Who knows?

Possibly, but for all we know it could just be tied to the Witch Hunter class of abilities, so Stein would fit the bill too.

I dunno from the test the Shinigami gave at the beginning of the manga/anime, that did not look like the case and Stein is like a combination of Maka and B*S.:heh:

There's more than that.
First of all, in the Free fight, it's worth noticing that Maka returned to using an unarmed attack for the finishing blow after she and Soul had restored (and, in fact, even improved) their synchronization. It seems to me like to a certain extent, Maka does want to fight unarmed. Next, in the big fight against Crona, Maka's primary source of damage is her unarmed attacks, both before and during the effects of the black blood. The argument with Black☆Star also highlights an interesting tendency of Maka's to throw punches.

The last bit in the Fight look like Maka wanting make sure Free was finished since his tail had most of the damage from Witch Hunter for him. Maka only started punching Crona since the Black Blood doesn't stop blunt force and cutting him/her would use more of the Blood for attacking. I'm with you when say that Soul and Maka synchronization had improved.

They are meant to develop differently, but I don't think that precludes them from gaining new abilities in different fields. I mean, Black☆Star becomes a sword fighter later on, which was outside his preexisting specialization.

I agree with that, what I mean is that I don't want them becoming clones of each other. Gaining skill in different fields fine as long as they don't lose what makes them unique. I've stated before that I personally see Maka learning Stein's ability to maniuplate Wavelength of others and her own, allowing her nullfy attacks and be able to match quite a bit of Weapons. This supposedly requires a great understanding of Souls and a strong Soul Perception, Maka easily the best at that in her generation.

B*S used a Ninja Blade which like a Short Sword so, using a Sword later won't be too new to him, and it's more Tsubaki's ability than his.

I don't think it was so much the Demon Hunter that was her way of getting that strength as much as it was her own rise in soul wavelength. At any rate, envying Black☆Star does say something because it's not so much the strength of the bond between Black☆Star and Tsubaki that she envies as much as she envies Black☆Star's own strength. A good portion of it is emotional, to be sure, how she envies the way Black☆Star can be sure of his own path and let the devil take the rules, but I think a good part of it is literal too. Maka wanted the strength to avoid having Soul get hurt. (The same, Soul wants the strength to avoid having Maka get hurt, which is why he, similarly, envies Justin. Sacrificing your body, while a nice gesture, doesn't really help.) The type of strength that it requires for Maka to be able to fight without having Soul get hurt is the type of strength for Maka not to have to rely on Soul, for her to be able to fight by herself without him. That doesn't mean Maka and Soul intend to just fight solo, but that they want to be able to fight solo when it's called for, so they won't be helpless without each other and they won't have to put each other at risk.

It your right to an extent, but B*S fighting skill extremely limited without Tsubaki, he certainly can't defeat Mifune, Asura, or Medusa especially since his nowhere as good as is Stein with it because he does not see nor, understand Souls. A lot of his best moments of skill has been due Tsubaki including his current control of Masamune. It's more of a bonus and a very situation power more than anything.

His true power is seen when he's with her not without, whether he will is ever admit that is another story.:p

Also during the Clown arc, after getting "Demon Hunter" She look like some one who had truly gotten her confidence back in her own power for the first time since her first fight with Crona. This was possible thanks to Soul.

Also, the ability to release a soul wavelength unarmed requires a strong soul wavelength, which she now possesses, and the ability to pay careful attention to one's own soul. Black☆Star has had the former from the beginning and does the latter naturally by virtue of his egomaniacal megalomania, but Maka seems to be starting to fit the bill in her own way too. Maka does have a large soul wavelength now, and as for sensing her own soul, well... We've seen Maka look at her own soul in the Crona fight, and there have been incidents later too, ESPECIALLY in the Clown arc, where we see Maka's awareness of her own soul. Moreover, Maka has a very capable Soul Perception which she can use to look at herself. Plus we've seen her release her own soul wavelength now (and that was practically an attack by itself, the way it blew crap out of the way), so it really seems to me like she's only a short step away from being able to fight unarmed now.

Maka will probably use her Wavelength another way than B*S, possibly like Stein's like I said earlier.

Stream

2008-12-04, 00:01

I think the "lighting" was just an effect for her. If anyone else could do it they would probably have a special effect for them, like with the Soul Projections, (i.e Maka's Wings, Justin's Cross etc.)
Um... I don't see how this answers back the point I'm making - that it's a soul wavelength release.

Maybe.:)
Only when if you can point out where Black☆Star's soul release does anything remotely close to this.
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3888/boomjt1.png
Oh, she is capable of it now, this isn't like what happenend with BREW and Kid.
I know. ;)

What I'm saying is that she should be capable of launching soul wavelength attacks now or pretty soon.

The last bit in the Fight look like Maka wanting make sure Free was finished since his tail had most of the damage from Witch Hunter for him. Maka only started punching Crona since the Black Blood doesn't stop blunt force and cutting him/her would use more of the Blood for attacking. I'm with you when say that Soul and Maka synchronization had improved.
What I'm saying is that Maka does get dragged into fights where she uses her bare hands, and sometimes she does this of her own will. The fight with Chrona, for instance, was one she could have completely avoided.

I agree with that, what I mean is that I don't want them becoming clones of each other. Gaining skill in different fields fine as long as they don't lose what makes them unique.
I'm completely with you there.

I've stated before that I personally see Maka learning Stein's ability to manipulate Wavelength of others and her own, allowing her nullfy attacks and be able to match quite a bit of Weapons. This supposedly requires a great understanding of Souls and a strong Soul Perception, Maka easily the best at that in her generation.
I agree with that theory. I mean, I've put forth some stuff that supports the theory myself in the past few posts. ;) I'm saying by the same token I also see her learning attacks like Stein's unarmed attacks (soul purge, etc.).

B*S used a Ninja Blade which like a Short Sword so, using a Sword later won't be too new to him, and it's more Tsubaki's ability than his.
Eh, ninja blade and katana don't handle the same. The fighting style is different for them.

It your right to an extent, but B*S fighting skill extremely limited without Tsubaki, he certainly can't defeat Mifune, Asura, or Medusa especially since his nowhere as good as is Stein with it because he does not see nor, understand Souls. A lot of his best moments of skill has been due Tsubaki including his current control of Masamune. It's more of a bonus and a very situation power more than anything.
I think they made a point of saying that Black☆Star is plenty strong without his weapons, given his dueling track record at school. To be honest, I don't see Black☆Star defeating Asura or even Medusa even with Tsubaki. Those two are crazy good.

Of course, I don't deny that he's better off with Tsubaki, at all. I'm just saying he's plenty strong without her too.

Also during the Clown arc, after getting "Demon Hunter" She look like some one who had truly gotten her confidence back in her own power for the first time since her first fight with Crona. This was possible thanks to Soul.
While I'm not sure what point you're making here, I'll agree to this much.

Maka will probably use her Wavelength another way than B*S, possibly like Stein's like I said earlier.
EDIT: Woops. forgot to comment here. What I meant to write here is that I agree she'll possibly use it like Stein's, but I'd also like to point out that Stein's method includes Black☆Star's.

lmd_84

2008-12-04, 03:00

The full text, maybe? :confused:

The smiley says "I'm with stupid" - meaning "I agree."

Ah, sorry. I saw the full text and thought you were calling me stupid. Hence I was a bit put out. Sorry for the misunderstanding. :(

JunkKitty

2008-12-04, 03:12

Not even Soul manages that much.

Soul doesn't have any training in fighting, he pretty much sucks at it and he should. But we have seen him use his form to fight with, and he can transform pretty quickly.

I simply don't understand why Maka, with her natural disadvantages, would not want to learn how to use one of her natural abilities to her benefit. It doesn't make sense. Even "That's how much she hates Papa" doesn't follow, since she can tolerate him better than rejecting what she inherited from him would suggest. Shibusen is unlikely to care unless she starts eating souls.

You can say that she can be stubborn and reckless, and I won't disagree, but those are in-the-moment things. She can be impulsive, but she's too serious to sustain stupidity for .. eh.. days? Weeks? Certainly not years. The SE world is changing under her feet and she knows it. Even if she started out not wanting to use an ability she has, she'd be super-stupid to not be beginning to use it now.

Maka doesn't demonstrate preexisting additional abilities when in danger as much as she gains new abilities at the moment and demonstrates them.

Sorry, this is too convoluted. I think I understand what you're saying but you're almost arguing that the lack of evidence of Maka being a Weapon is evidence she's maybe a Weapon.
Is this right: 'Maka wouldn't be fast enough to use her Weapon as defense in a fight, proof is Soul's not that good, but if she finds herself in another major pinch she might break through her barrier to find yet another totally new thing and it will be *this*!' ---how I'm reading it.

But the only truly new thing Maka has gained in a pinch was the Soul Perception. Everything since then has only been building on what is already there. Her bases are Soul Perception/ Resonance/ Black Blood, every new ability is rooted in those. Or am I forgetting something?

Honestly, the burden here should be on you to better explain (if you care to) what evidence you can show that suggests Maka could be a Weapon. I discount the other theory (Maka doesn't know) for the same reason I discount her willful refusal for the same single reason: a total lack of any suggestion, hint, tease, or bit of evidence that it's possible for a Weapon to never use/not know what they are and that Maka could be such a person.

Seriously, I love fan theories, but some are just fun musings, others spun of thin air, and don't have much to do with canon. I like them when they're presented and treated that way. There are also theories that seem to answer questions nicely and may be possible, but there's no good reason to believe it yet, there may be other answers. I see the Maka-as-Weapon theory as the former, unless I'm missing some clues from the manga or something. If there were some tease in the canon to support the theory, I'd accept it as a valid possibility. Can point me to some? I would be interested :)

In addition, does the plot seem to need her to be revealed as a Weapon? She seems to be doing fine without it. BTW, if your position is that Maka's not a weak useless character, I totally agree with you. She has a place in fights, and it's not just hanging out in the back waiting for a chance to unleash some UBER:not-a-real-fighters-technique technique. But I just don't get the Weapon theory, I think it's distracting from the talents she DOES show.

[LIST=1] Generic action shounen series protagonist reasons, because in the end this is just a generic shounen action series with style (and lots of it).

Wait, cuz we can type the show, we can predict Maka will get/reveal another new type of ability rather than developing what she already has? Obviously the characters will grow and become powerful, I expect all 3 main Meisters will surpass their mentors.

Hehe, this doesn't have much to do with the subject I think? But I'm not sure SE is really just a generic shounen action series. I've read my share, and I'd put SE closer to FMA than Bleach. The series is plot driven, the fights are a part of the story. The plot doesn't exist just to give a framework to have fights. SE is a really smart shounen that alters/cuts out a lot of the generic-fight type crap. I get the sense Okobu is trying to write the kind of smart shounen he wanted to read, and we love it because of that.

Because all the characters seem to need to fix those issues that've been plaguing them. Maka's been having issues over her unarmed combat ability,

I can't imagine anyone would disagree with the first part. But the unarmed combat, I guess I missed that! I haven't seen her worry about her solo fighting ability. She's not supposed to fight solo, and I don't know where she expressed the desire to. She doesn't train for it, but she studies for tests, so I think she'd try training solo if it's something she worried about.

Maka's issues had revolved around her feelings of inadequacy, not exclusive to the physical. She didn't believe she had resolve, inner strength, dedication, courage, wisdom, ect, in addition to ability to fight with the scythe. After the Italian incident, she felt she didn't compare to Soul - not his physical strength (something he's never demonstrated), but the other types of strength she credited him with. She had built up this idea of him and didn't meet up to it herself. That was part of her problem back then. And she doesn't want to go toe-to-toe vs B*S, let alone unarmed. It's not her deal, she knows it.

edited to add, sorry: I wouldn't interpret her temper-punches as a desire to fight major enemies unarmed. It's an outlet of anger and frustration, not a planned fighting style. With B*S, she was just trying to settle a dispute the way the boys often do it. She chose not to take him up on his duel offer. She tried punching Crona because attempts to cut didn't do anything, while at least punching had an effect of slowing/bewildering Crona even if it wasn't a fight winning move. It's not enough. I guess I had thought you meant she wanted to go solo because of her 'I need to get stronger' stuff after Italy. Sorry. I got the Free fight stuff below.

On an off-topic aside since this is the Maka/Soul thread: I expect her negative self-feelings derive in a major way from the way Spirit treated her family. She was shown from a young age that no matter how much she was loved by her Papa, it wasn't enough to stop his family-damaging behavior. His love for her and her mother didn't outweigh whatever was driving his womanizing. She may not think "I'm not worth enough to my father for him to try to meet my needs" but it's terribly common in real world psychology for children from families like hers to have that subconscious belief unknowingly driving her sense of self-worth. Since Okubo appears to have put alot of thought into the psychology of the story, I think Maka's self-feelings make sense.

But she doesn't show so much hatred or spite to her Papa that it seems realistic she's shoving aside something like Weapon ability. She could seriously spurn him but she doesn't because she still hopes he'll become the father she wants. She's hoping sometimes angry treatment of him will prompt him to behave better.

(proof- the way she looked through her child photos/ the way Soul realizes Maka's love for reading came from Spirit's encouragement/ her willingness to accept his post-exam gift (before she opened it!)/ her willingness to ask him out on the date, it was just a stupid bet and she's stubborn enough she could have refused to honor it.)

I'm not saying Maka should be a complete asskicker, but she shouldn't be worthless either. Most series have a bad habit of giving each character their place by creating situations which only they can handle (everyone else is worthless) and basically pigeonholing the cast into certain roles.

Thing is, Maka isn't worthless :heh: But she doesn't need the weapon-thing to not be worthless :)
I know most series DO pigeonhole characters (typical fighter crap), but SE is smarter than that. Seems to be too smart even for its fans, judging by how long it took people to accept the Weapons=genetics thing :twitch:

IMO B*S is the most obvious pigeonholed character- in a magical/soul-based world like this one, what is a muscle-based guy gonna do?:heh: Brute force doesn't win the cake here. But his role is pretty interesting, in a typical fighter he'd be the main character, he's be kicking butts, he'd be the assassin who can keep his mouth shut, ect... and here he isn't. Meanwhile, Maka's the main girl, but she's not one of those girls who needs to hide in the safe corner. She can, and is willing, to take a beating when it's involved in what she wants.

I think they're doing it to balance out the main characters. ... I think they're just balancing it out for marketing reasons (ie. target demographic is boys, so we need to at least give the male protagonists just as much screen-time).

Shounen Gangan is targeted to boys, and it seems to do fine letting Maka have her moments heh. The manga seems pretty balanced as it is. The anime isn't giving new screen-time to the boys or emphasizing them anymore than the manga does, they're just cutting out some key Maka moments.

I didn't like them cutting the Tsubaki bit, but I really disliked them toning down the crazy fight. BONES doesn't have the guts that Okubo has- to show the main female character going disturbingly out of her gourd. When I first read the manga, I was totally blown away by how we never see such a thing, so explicitly, but there it was. It was almost hard to look at, which made it awesome. It's why SE is smart.

I had thought BONES just wimped out, but adding it with the other cuts I think they just like drama too much. Make Maka seem weaker, makes it more tragic for the boys around her when something happens to her. I don't think it's screentime balance, it's attitude tuning. BONES probably thinks she is more sympathetic if she seems more vunerable, which is sad. I could see this: they think the audience (boys) will like her better if she's weaker. But are they right? Western fans don't seem to agree, but its not made for us. My first real complaint about the anime, I guess.

Black☆Star took himself out of the fight by trying to use the demon sword which he's bad with, and then Maka ... (made) the last blow unarmed again.
That's why I predict that Maka is going to be a stronger all-rounder type fighter later, and she does have a lot in common with Stein.

B*S- can't manage his strength. He'll get it, but he has to come to honest terms with Tsubaki first (not his thread, I know). He'll be a better fighter in purely physical terms, though.

I got the impression that in the end of that fight, Maka was influenced by the new insanity of the BB. Free even says something to the effect of how insane she must be. She definitely felt the post-BB change in resonance, then. Add the effect to her determination and desperation.. well... Going unarmed wasn't typical of her. Probably she does secretly wish she were a fighter of B*S's type, but it's not a goal.

Sorry, I know I addressed some stuff, probably repeated some of what was already said today, long class/work days suck. I should have read the rest more before I started this :heh:
I'd rather see some interesting discussion about SE, even if its disagreements or just telling each other what we all already know in new ways... then the usual type posts that happen :uhoh:

Iron Maw

2008-12-04, 03:34

Um... I don't see how this answers back the point I'm making - that it's a soul wavelength release.

I wasn't desputing that it wouldn't be, what I'm saying is that Internal generation" isn't necessary lighting based and that visual effect variy from person to person even though it achieves the same goal.

Ex, if Jackie was asked to perform the technique instead of lighting burning out the snake, fire would. This hinges on of course if only a unique ability available to Marie.

Only when if you can point out where Black☆Star's soul release does anything remotely close to this.
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3888/boomjt1.png

No, but that doesn't look like what B*S does.

I know. ;)

What I'm saying is that she should be capable of launching soul wavelength attacks now or pretty soon.

The thing is however, if this is the case why hasn't someone like Sid a top ranked Meister used it too then? I'm quite sure his Wavelength is much large than B*S, Maka, or Kid.

Maka might be able to attack with her Wavelength but, certainly looks like it will be in another fashion.

What I'm saying is that Maka does get dragged into fights where she uses her bare hands, and sometimes she does this of her own will. The fight with Chrona, for instance, was one she could have completely avoided.

There's no doubt that Maka obviously knows Martial Arts, however she won't be as effective as B*S is since he can ampifly his strength through his Wavelength. I've said before that she fought Crona the way she did because at that time it seemed more effective.

I agree with that theory. I mean, I've put forth some stuff that supports the theory myself in the past few posts. ;) I'm saying by the same token I also see her learning attacks like Stein's unarmed attacks (soul purge, etc.).

The ability to cancel-out Wavelengths like Stein would be fine defense for her, it doesn't have to be attack oriented. Her Demonslayer Wavelegth can do some of it already looking at the last chapter.

Eh, ninja blade and katana don't handle the same. The fighting style is different for them.

Yeah, I know they aren't exactly the same, but he's likely had practice with similar weaponry, Tsubaki probably eases the adjustment anyway.

I think they made a point of saying that Black☆Star is plenty strong without his weapons, given his dueling track record at school. To be honest, I don't see Black☆Star defeating Asura or even Medusa even with Tsubaki. Those two are crazy good.

Yes, but we don't know if those people who he beat were the strongest of their class and, I have hard time see him defeating say Kilik without Tsubaki.

Against Medusa, he stands more of a chance having Tsubaki then by himself.

Of course, I don't deny that he's better off with Tsubaki, at all. I'm just saying he's plenty strong without her too.

But, I doubt it's nearly enough to beat Mifune and the rest of the big fish.

While I'm not sure what point you're making here, I'll agree to this much.

What I mean is she seems to no longer compare herself to B*S as much anymore now after discovering her own strength, granted it's not full resolved and she has long way to before reaching her prime, but she's much closer now.

Stream

2008-12-04, 16:30

Whee!

I knew I picked a winner for starting a good, long discussion! It's a pity I have to defend the theory like it's fact though. :-/

O wellz, lets get going.

Ah, sorry. I saw the full text and thought you were calling me stupid. Hence I was a bit put out. Sorry for the misunderstanding. :(
Haha. Guess you weren't there for the T-shirt craze that read "I'm with stupid." with an arrow pointing to the left. A good few girls used to wear them when they were with their boyfriends. It may be a bit insulting, but it's affectionate (usually, anyway). ;)

Soul doesn't have any training in fighting, he pretty much sucks at it and he should. But we have seen him use his form to fight with, and he can transform pretty quickly.
I don't know why he should... and if his envy over Justin, his desire to overcome his inability to fight by himself, and his desire to be able to be able to protect Maka have anything to say, it will change.

I simply don't understand why Maka, with her natural disadvantages, would not want to learn how to use one of her natural abilities to her benefit. It doesn't make sense. Even "That's how much she hates Papa" doesn't follow, since she can tolerate him better than rejecting what she inherited from him would suggest.
Because she's strongly committed to being a technician like her mother not a weapon like her father, so she refuses to fight as a weapon. It's also possible that, for whatever reason, she is hiding the fact that she is a weapon and doesn't want anyone to know. You say it doesn't make sense but it only doesn't make sense to you who neglects the power of decisions and commitment to one's path. Maka does have the kind of determination for such a thing.

Shibusen is unlikely to care unless she starts eating souls.
Indeed. That's not the problem.

You can say that she can be stubborn and reckless, and I won't disagree, but those are in-the-moment things. She can be impulsive, but she's too serious to sustain stupidity for .. eh.. days? Weeks? Certainly not years. The SE world is changing under her feet and she knows it. Even if she started out not wanting to use an ability she has, she'd be super-stupid to not be beginning to use it now.
You say you're not disagreeing, but you are. You only acknowledge her stubbornness and recklessness for the purpose of discounting it. At any rate, I disagree. Maka's reckless drive isn't something that's just something that flares up for a moment. It's a pervasive recklessness that controls her actions and her behavior and it lasts as long as it will, be a it a moment, be it years. She may reconsider her recklessness if it's the type that hurts her friends, etc., but when it comes to putting herself on the line, she doesn't have many qualms about it. (To the contrary, sometimes I wonder if that girl is suicidal.)

Sorry, this is too convoluted. I think I understand what you're saying but you're almost arguing that the lack of evidence of Maka being a Weapon is evidence she's maybe a Weapon.
I wouldn't do anything that silly. (Okay, so maybe I would, but still...) All I'm arguing is that the lack of evidence of Maka being a weapon doesn't preclude her from being a weapon. In the end, you can't prove she's not a weapon, which means that the possibility is there, considering that her father is a weapon too.

Is this right: 'Maka wouldn't be fast enough to use her Weapon as defense in a fight, proof is Soul's not that good, but if she finds herself in another major pinch she might break through her barrier to find yet another totally new thing and it will be *this*!' ---how I'm reading it.
I won't deny that what I said implicates that, but that's totally not my point. My point is just that Maka wouldn't draw on her abilities as a weapon as much as she would just try to tough it out as a technician, and it works for her.

But the only truly new thing Maka has gained in a pinch was the Soul Perception. Everything since then has only been building on what is already there. Her bases are Soul Perception/ Resonance/ Black Blood, every new ability is rooted in those. Or am I forgetting something?
I'm saying she draws on new heretofore-nonexistant strength, not that she develops radically new abilities. Here are the examples thus far.
In the fight against Sid, Maka managed to fire her first successful Witch Hunter (although the aim was bad). Next, in her fight against Stein, Maka both gained soul perception and managed a very controlled version of the Witch Hunter. In the fight against Free, Maka gained a more powerful soul synchronization. In the second fight against Chrona, Maka gained a heightened soul perception and managed to do a double soul synchronization, with her weapon Soul and her enemy Chrona. In the fight against the clown of insanity, Maka gained a powerful new soul wavelength and the new Demon Hunter.
What I'm pointing out right here is that Maka isn't so much reliant on her preexisting abilities as much as she just gains the strength to win the fight during the fight.

Honestly, the burden here should be on you to better explain (if you care to) what evidence you can show that suggests Maka could be a Weapon. I discount the other theory (Maka doesn't know) for the same reason I discount her willful refusal for the same single reason: a total lack of any suggestion, hint, tease, or bit of evidence that it's possible for a Weapon to never use/not know what they are and that Maka could be such a person.
Not really, if I could prove it beyond a shadow of doubt, it wouldn't be a theory, now would it? As for the evidence and suggestiveness, well, scroll down to my next answer.

Seriously, I love fan theories, but some are just fun musings, others spun of thin air, and don't have much to do with canon. I like them when they're presented and treated that way. There are also theories that seem to answer questions nicely and may be possible, but there's no good reason to believe it yet, there may be other answers. I see the Maka-as-Weapon theory as the former, unless I'm missing some clues from the manga or something. If there were some tease in the canon to support the theory, I'd accept it as a valid possibility. Can point me to some? I would be interested :)
It is a fun theory just for fun. From the very beginning, I have not been out to prove that it is the case, only that it's a certainly a possibility. The only indicators I have to go off of this is that being a weapon is in the blood and with her father being a Death Scythe, Maka seems strongly disposed to being a weapon. Besides, this is about as much advance warning as we'd get for a twist surprise revelation that Maka is a weapon - if it'd happen, of course.

In addition, does the plot seem to need her to be revealed as a Weapon? She seems to be doing fine without it. BTW, if your position is that Maka's not a weak useless character, I totally agree with you. She has a place in fights, and it's not just hanging out in the back waiting for a chance to unleash some UBER:not-a-real-fighters-technique technique. But I just don't get the Weapon theory, I think it's distracting from the talents she DOES show.
The theory's just for fun and food for thought. How's it distracting?

Wait, cuz we can type the show, we can predict Maka will get/reveal another new type of ability rather than developing what she already has? Obviously the characters will grow and become powerful, I expect all 3 main Meisters will surpass their mentors.
The rule of shounen action series is that the characters not only become stupidly powerful within limited specializations but that they also gain some measure of power in general.

Hehe, this doesn't have much to do with the subject I think? But I'm not sure SE is really just a generic shounen action series. I've read my share, and I'd put SE closer to FMA than Bleach. The series is plot driven, the fights are a part of the story. The plot doesn't exist just to give a framework to have fights. SE is a really smart shounen that alters/cuts out a lot of the generic-fight type crap. I get the sense Okobu is trying to write the kind of smart shounen he wanted to read, and we love it because of that.
I won't deny that it's smart for its genre, but it has the core elements of any shounen action series, like Bleach, Naruto, DBZ, etc. It has battle auras, mostly revolves around the fights (Yes, the fights are plot-driven, but the plot is also fight-driven.), the standard "must get stronger" syndrome, etc., etc.

Generic shounen action series is more or less a genre. As far as these types of action series are concerned, I like Claymore and Soul Eater the most.

I can't imagine anyone would disagree with the first part. But the unarmed combat, I guess I missed that! I haven't seen her worry about her solo fighting ability. She's not supposed to fight solo, and I don't know where she expressed the desire to. She doesn't train for it, but she studies for tests, so I think she'd try training solo if it's something she worried about.
We don't see any training montages in Soul Eater, really. Just occasionally a few scenes about training or trying out a new ability. Next, here, I'll quote myself on it:
I don't think it was so much the Demon Hunter that was her way of getting that strength as much as it was her own rise in soul wavelength. At any rate, envying Black☆Star does say something because it's not so much the strength of the bond between Black☆Star and Tsubaki that she envies as much as she envies Black☆Star's own strength. A good portion of it is emotional, to be sure, how she envies the way Black☆Star can be sure of his own path and let the devil take the rules, but I think a good part of it is literal too. Maka wanted the strength to avoid having Soul get hurt. (The same, Soul wants the strength to avoid having Maka get hurt, which is why he, similarly, envies Justin. Sacrificing your body, while a nice gesture, doesn't really help.) The type of strength that it requires for Maka to be able to fight without having Soul get hurt is the type of strength for Maka not to have to rely on Soul, for her to be able to fight by herself without him. That doesn't mean Maka and Soul intend to just fight solo, but that they want to be able to fight solo when it's called for, so they won't be helpless without each other and they won't have to put each other at risk.

Also, biting, sarcastic cynicism. Not the way to go if you're trying to have a friendly conversation.

Maka's issues had revolved around her feelings of inadequacy, not exclusive to the physical. She didn't believe she had resolve, inner strength, dedication, courage, wisdom, ect, in addition to ability to fight with the scythe.
I already said as much in my other posts. (The section has been quoted right above.) Sometimes I get the feeling that when people respond to my posts they don't keep my previous posts in account. No offense.

After the Italian incident, she felt she didn't compare to Soul - not his physical strength (something he's never demonstrated), but the other types of strength she credited him with. She had built up this idea of him and didn't meet up to it herself. That was part of her problem back then.
Soul and Black☆Star. At any rate, I have put forth a solid argument for why she also wants the physical strength. Please don't disregard my arguments.

And she doesn't want to go toe-to-toe vs B*S, let alone unarmed. It's not her deal, she knows it.
That is your view, and I have provided analysis to the contrary. Where is your analysis that refutes mine or your proof that Maka unarmed combat is not her thing.

edited to add, sorry: I wouldn't interpret her temper-punches as a desire to fight major enemies unarmed. It's an outlet of anger and frustration, not a planned fighting style. With B*S, she was just trying to settle a dispute the way the boys often do it. She chose not to take him up on his duel offer.
Temper punches indicates a predisposition to punching, and she accidentally hit Chrona this way too. The common method for a girl to physically berate another person involves slapping, I believe. Maka punches. People who punch are more likely to want to get physical than people who slap.

She tried punching Crona because attempts to cut didn't do anything, while at least punching had an effect of slowing/bewildering Crona even if it wasn't a fight winning move. It's not enough. I guess I had thought you meant she wanted to go solo because of her 'I need to get stronger' stuff after Italy. Sorry. I got the Free fight stuff below.
In that case, can you explain why Maka resorted to punching and kicking Crona in the first fight, before she discovered that she can't cut Crona? Also, when she opted into fighting Chrona, she opted into using her fists too.

On an off-topic aside since this is the Maka/Soul thread: I expect her negative self-feelings derive in a major way from the way Spirit treated her family. She was shown from a young age that no matter how much she was loved by her Papa, it wasn't enough to stop his family-damaging behavior. His love for her and her mother didn't outweigh whatever was driving his womanizing. She may not think "I'm not worth enough to my father for him to try to meet my needs" but it's terribly common in real world psychology for children from families like hers to have that subconscious belief unknowingly driving her sense of self-worth. Since Okubo appears to have put alot of thought into the psychology of the story, I think Maka's self-feelings make sense.
Um, just a quick question but are you making it look like Maka is trying to win her father's approval or something like that? Isn't it that Maka is disapproving of her father?

But she doesn't show so much hatred or spite to her Papa that it seems realistic she's shoving aside something like Weapon ability. She could seriously spurn him but she doesn't because she still hopes he'll become the father she wants. She's hoping sometimes angry treatment of him will prompt him to behave better.
Or, it could just be a bloody stubborn life decision of hers, and Maka can be very stubborn. I agree with you that she wants him to behave better, of course.

(proof- the way she looked through her child photos/ the way Soul realizes Maka's love for reading came from Spirit's encouragement/ her willingness to accept his post-exam gift (before she opened it!)/ her willingness to ask him out on the date, it was just a stupid bet and she's stubborn enough she could have refused to honor it.)
She could also be stubborn enough about things she's agreed to that she does honor it. Either way, this is not the issue.

Thing is, Maka isn't worthless :heh: But she doesn't need the weapon-thing to not be worthless :)
I agree with you on the not worthless part, but, eh, what exactly are you trying to say in the second part? (I hate saying "Um, your point?" but I guess that's kind of what I'm asking for right here.)

I know most series DO pigeonhole characters (typical fighter crap), but SE is smarter than that. Seems to be too smart even for its fans, judging by how long it took people to accept the Weapons=genetics thing :twitch:
I more or less figured the weapons=genetics thing as soon as I discovered Maka's dad was a Death Scythe (ie. Chapter 1). But, I also believe that it is because SE is smarter than pigeonholing that we will be seeing a decent rise in Maka's combat ability unarmed.

IMO B*S is the most obvious pigeonholed character- in a magical/soul-based world like this one, what is a muscle-based guy gonna do?:heh: Brute force doesn't win the cake here. But his role is pretty interesting, in a typical fighter he'd be the main character, he's be kicking butts, he'd be the assassin who can keep his mouth shut, etc... and here he isn't. Meanwhile, Maka's the main girl, but she's not one of those girls who needs to hide in the safe corner. She can, and is willing, to take a beating when it's involved in what she wants.
Black☆Star is one of the most versatile fighters, imo. Although brute force may be his thing, he has a ridiculous array of weapons at his disposal through Tsubaki and to top it off he can even fight unarmed.

Shounen Gangan is targeted to boys, and it seems to do fine letting Maka have her moments heh. The manga seems pretty balanced as it is. The anime isn't giving new screen-time to the boys or emphasizing them anymore than the manga does, they're just cutting out some key Maka moments.
In the manga though the author had considerably more control over the content, whereas in the anime they may be subject to additional decisions about marketability, which it really didn't need.

I didn't like them cutting the Tsubaki bit, but I really disliked them toning down the crazy fight. BONES doesn't have the guts that Okubo has- to show the main female character going disturbingly out of her gourd. When I first read the manga, I was totally blown away by how we never see such a thing, so explicitly, but there it was. It was almost hard to look at, which made it awesome. It's why SE is smart.

I had thought BONES just wimped out, but adding it with the other cuts I think they just like drama too much. Make Maka seem weaker, makes it more tragic for the boys around her when something happens to her. I don't think it's screentime balance, it's attitude tuning. BONES probably thinks she is more sympathetic if she seems more vunerable, which is sad. I could see this: they think the audience (boys) will like her better if she's weaker. But are they right? Western fans don't seem to agree, but its not made for us. My first real complaint about the anime, I guess.
:stupid:

Agreed, all the way.

B*S- can't manage his strength. He'll get it, but he has to come to honest terms with Tsubaki first (not his thread, I know). He'll be a better fighter in purely physical terms, though.
What do you think Black☆Star needs to be honest about? I mean, he's a pretty upfront person and he does make good strides with Tsubaki.

I got the impression that in the end of that fight, Maka was influenced by the new insanity of the BB. Free even says something to the effect of how insane she must be. She definitely felt the post-BB change in resonance, then. Add the effect to her determination and desperation.. well... Going unarmed wasn't typical of her.
Free was just expressing shock at the fact that Maka, a weapon technician, decided to attack him without a weapon for her last blow. I think it was Maka's own decision to fight like that, and not just the effect of the Black Blood. Plus, I thought the insanity of the black blood faded once Soul got it under control. The little demon said that it quickly disappeared in the 2nd Crona fight anyway.

Probably she does secretly wish she were a fighter of B*S's type, but it's not a goal.
If you don't believe it's a goal, then what do you believe is going to happen to that wish?

Sorry, I know I addressed some stuff, probably repeated some of what was already said today, long class/work days suck. I should have read the rest more before I started this :heh:
I'd rather see some interesting discussion about SE, even if its disagreements or just telling each other what we all already know in new ways... then the usual type posts that happen :uhoh:
I like these discussions too. ;)

I wasn't desputing that it wouldn't be, what I'm saying is that Internal generation" isn't necessary lighting based and that visual effect variy from person to person even though it achieves the same goal.

Ex, if Jackie was asked to perform the technique instead of lighting burning out the snake, fire would. This hinges on of course if only a unique ability available to Marie.
Oh okay, I see. Well, there's no real evidence either way but it doesn't really matter. :)

No, but that doesn't look like what B*S does.
Exactly, and Maka's soul wave surge was the most badass one we've seen.

The thing is however, if this is the case why hasn't someone like Sid a top ranked Meister used it too then? I'm quite sure his Wavelength is much large than B*S, Maka, or Kid.
Maybe he sucks at drawing out his own wavelength? Anyhow, it's possible that he can do it. At any rate, Sid's a knife technician, and so far he hasn't even been pulled into such close range, and if he is, being a knife technician he'd use Nygus, the knife. That bloke is such a green beret.

Maka might be able to attack with her Wavelength but, certainly looks like it will be in another fashion.
Um, there's not much to Black☆Star's or Franken Stein's method, tbh. All it is is injecting one's own wavelength into the opponent directly. It requires a big soul wavelength and the ability to manipulate and listen to one's own soul wavelength. Maka, just recently, seems to have fulfilled both of these requirements, so I don't see the skill as being far off for her.

There's no doubt that Maka obviously knows Martial Arts, however she won't be as effective as B*S is since he can ampifly his strength through his Wavelength. I've said before that she fought Crona the way she did because at that time it seemed more effective.
And in the first Crona fight she punched and kicked Crona too, before learning that cutting was ineffective. Moreover, if Maka's focus was just to defeat Crona effectively, she would have fared better to leave the fight to Black☆Star like she was supposed to.

The ability to cancel-out Wavelengths like Stein would be fine defense for her, it doesn't have to be attack oriented. Her Demonslayer Wavelegth can do some of it already looking at the last chapter.
I'm just saying she'd learn both. Besides, Stein's ability isn't canceling out wavelengths. It's the ability to take the wavelength without damaging oneself by synchronizing your own wavelength to your opponent's. I think if you can pull off this move, you should already be more than capable of injecting your own wavelength into your opponent.

Yeah, I know they aren't exactly the same, but he's likely had practice with similar weaponry, Tsubaki probably eases the adjustment anyway.
True, but he's still had to learn and do something new. :)

Yes, but we don't know if those people who he beat were the strongest of their class and, I have hard time see him defeating say Kilik without Tsubaki.
Black☆Star has a habit of challenging strong people to a duel, and the one time he beat up Ox he specifically said that's not going on his dueling record because he's not counting people that weak. So, there are good odds that they were at least pretty strong.

I think he'd fare well against Kilik without Tsubaki, imo. It'd be a match worth seeing.

Against Medusa, he stands more of a chance having Tsubaki than by himself.
Virtually any technician is at their strongest with their weapon. That's a moot point. All I'm saying is that Black☆Star is plenty strong without Tsubaki too.

But, I doubt it's nearly enough to beat Mifune and the rest of the big fish.
True, but it's not insignificant either. Bear in mind that he uses his own soul wavelength attack in conjunction to Tsubaki too.

What I mean is she seems to no longer compare herself to B*S as much anymore now after discovering her own strength, granted it's not full resolved and she has long way to before reaching her prime, but she's much closer now.
Fair enough, but the keyword is seems. We still have to find out if those issues have really been resolved. Plus, there are good odds that her new wavelength lets her pack a serious punch without soul now.

Reincarnated

2008-12-04, 18:21

Sorry , it's not because I don't respect all of your posts guys , but it's just too long for me. :( I'm not a fluent native speaker and my English was bad (especially reading and vocab) , so I'll just point to what I can give my theory to.

Because she's strongly committed to being a technician like her mother not a weapon like her father, so she refuses to fight as a weapon. It's also possible that, for whatever reason, she is hiding the fact that she is a weapon and doesn't want anyone to know. You say it doesn't make sense but it only doesn't make sense to you who neglects the power of decisions and commitment to one's path. Maka does have the kind of determination for such a thing.

Still with the weapon? I still have to disagree , because I have said a soul resonance is performed by a meister and a weapon (unless there's a scene between a weapon and a weapon performed this then I give up) and I haven't seen a weapon have Soul Perception ability , which mostly meister do have it. (e.g : Stein and BJ)

Maka's reckless drive isn't something that's just something that flares up for a moment. It's a pervasive recklessness that controls her actions and her behavior and it lasts as long as it will, be a it a moment, be it years. She may reconsider her recklessness if it's the type that hurts her friends, etc., but when it comes to putting herself on the line, she doesn't have many qualms about it. (To the contrary, sometimes I wonder if that girl is suicidal.)

Hm yes , I'm quite agree with this. I think she doesn't want any of her friend getting hurt , but when it comes to herself , she can care less about that. :heh: Maybe this act is because of Soul getting hurt for her sake , she doesn't want that anymore. (while Soul said "I'm willing to die for my technician" , she is kinda "I prefer die before you can put your life for my sake" :heh:)

Sometimes she isn't reckless , but she has miscalculation when thinking of strategies. (She has said this during her first meeting with Chrona "I'm way too careless")

Stream

2008-12-04, 19:38

Sorry , it's not because I don't respect all of your posts guys , but it's just too long for me. :( I'm not a fluent native speaker and my English was bad (especially reading and vocab) , so I'll just point to what I can give my theory to.
Oh. I'll use simpler English then. For what it's worth, English is my 3rd language. :-/

Still with the weapon? I still have to disagree , because I have said a soul resonance is performed by a meister and a weapon (unless there's a scene between a weapon and a weapon performed this then I give up) and I haven't seen a weapon have Soul Perception ability, which mostly meister do have it. (e.g : Stein and BJ)
I haven't seen that, but we have seen Liz and Patty use each other. Liz and Patty shoot amplified wavelengths, so this is a short step away. Also, Tsubaki can use Soul Perception. Watch or read the Sid fight. When Black☆Star senses Sid, he says he can sense Sid through Tsubaki.

I agree with you on the rest. :D

Stream

2008-12-06, 22:47

Um, did I like kill this thread?

Iron Maw

2008-12-07, 05:21

Nah, this happens sometimes, generally I've been too tried to post due to Finals and all. I"II probably be able to discuss more in next few days when I am less stressed.

lmd_84

2008-12-07, 08:33

Still with the weapon? I still have to disagree, because I have said a soul resonance is performed by a meister and a weapon (unless there's a scene between a weapon and a weapon performed this then I give up) and I haven't seen a weapon have Soul Perception ability , which mostly meister do have it. (e.g : Stein and BJ)

There are several meister characters who have Soul Perception (Stein, Maka, BJ, and Ox spring to mind), but Weapons also do.

Yumi uses a version it to stake out the Arachnaphobia base with senrigan (sp?) for she identifies the powerful of Mifune and the "monster" Mosquito, and Spirit recognises the increase in Asura's wavelength when the Kishin is freed. Also, his ability to affect both Stein and Medusa's wavelength with the sewing technique suggests that he has Soul Perception to some extent.

Reincarnated

2008-12-07, 18:30

Clarste

2008-12-07, 22:24

Reincarnated

2008-12-10, 05:57

^ really? then I'm wrong then ^^;

lmd_84

2008-12-10, 09:32

^ really? In my opinion her senrigan is due to her ability as a weapon. Also for Spirit's case , he controlled Stein's wavelength as well , as a weapon. But it doesn't mean they have that ability. Soul Perception ability is all about seeing into a person's soul , to look at the personality and all.

that's why I said , 'soul' and 'soul wavelength' are different.

Also, Patty and Liz can use each other , doesn't mean they can do resonance. It's just because their wavelength matched each other.

This weapon thingy sure is complex to describe. They are like mediator for their mesiter's wavelength , yet they have their own ability and wavelength too , so yeah .. I am not really sure about this.

correct me if I'm wrong :D

I don't think you're quite right about Soul Perception. The only one who's adept enough to actually analyse people's personalities is Stein. Yet Maka is described as having Soul Perception when she, on a simpler level, is capable of seeing souls and sensing their wavelengths (which, indeed, are described as two seperate but connected things; the soul emits the soul wavelength, as shown by the diagram during Stein's description in ep8).

I would guess the two abilities go hand in hand, but differ between one individual and the next. So, what Stein and Maka can do is Soul Perception, as is Yumi's use of it.

Maka's is apparently impressive amongst the kids, whereas at the other end of the scale you have Stein and BJ, whose own skills are Shinigami's 'evolution' comments (re ep18 and the witches war speech) in action, so to speak).

I'd argue that Spirit must have Soul Perception to some extent, given that to manipulate both Stein's and Medusa's wavelength he must be aware of their souls and their respective wavelengths.

Also, it's said to be a skill of powerful weapons to alter their Technician's wavelength the way the sewing technique works; not just any of them, and we've only seen it in Spirit so far (which, given his Tech was Stein, I find curious to say the least). Possibly another indication - along with Yumi's precise mapping - of the power and abilities of the Death Scythe group (incidentally, Sid's phrasing when he compliments Asuza confused me...but anyway).

Reincarnated

2008-12-10, 10:07

Anh_Minh

2008-12-10, 10:21

My take on it is that they can all perceive souls to some degree. Some are just better at it than others, while people like Black Star are practically useless when it comes to that.

lmd_84

2008-12-10, 12:12

Wait wait wait. B*S can once feel Sid's presence through Tsubaki. Kidd can feel Mosquito's wavelength as well is that all Soul perception ability then? And if Spirit has Soul perception ability , why did he ask about Maka's condition to Stein in Kishin arc?

Spirit and Yumi are Death Scythes , which it's possible that they are special from any of Shibusen students after eating those 99 bad souls and 1 witch soul.

but...Soul perception ability isn't special then?? That's a bit disappointing :(

But why in the manga , Medusa said Maka's soul perception ability is required? While I know Kidd can sense souls too...Or maybe because she has that special wavelength as well?

I think Maka's particular soul wavelength is something different from Soul Perception, and that it's unusual whereas Soul Perception is not. I know Kid has Soul Perception - we found that out in the Nidhogg chapters/episode. Arguably Maka's is better, at least in some respects - can sense Stein and Marie even inside Brew's vortex when the others could not.

I don't think Soul Perception is anything special in the scheme of things - it turns up in some shape or form far too frequently (especially amongst the adult characters) for it to be a rare trait. Like the manga character I mentioned above, it falls well within Shinigami's point about human adaptation to the threat of witches - they became able to sense souls, and in response the witches developed Soul Protect.

On Maka - Simply put, I don't think she's a Weapon or has any of those characteristics. Ch. 55 appeared to lend weight to argument that Weapon forms are inherited. We know the look of Maka's soul from Stein; if there was 'Weapon' in her, he surely would have noticed it. This is assuming Weapon forms are always as clear from individual souls as Giriko and Justin's are.

Also, given the sort of direction she's taken in the past when it comes to brute strength, I doubt she would have ignored any Weapon ability she possessed. We knew early on - Shinigami in episode 5 - that a Weapon provides the physical power in a pair.

I can't imagine Maka - good student that she is - was entirely unaware of this relationship, and had she possessed a Weapon form when she decided she needed to become 'stronger' physically, I think she would have used it then if at all. She certainly was under the impression that pressing forward hard, figuratively and literally, was the way to go.

On Spirit in the Kishin arc - Like I said before, I think Soul Perception differs between individuals. It's quite possible Spirit doesn't have as wide a range for soul perception as Stein does.

Stream

2008-12-13, 18:47

Soul perception isn't a special ability. Instead, it's an ability that high-level technicians have. Some technicians are obviously better at it than others, but wth even Black Star possessing (weak) soul perception now, it's obvious that it's not a special ability. So far, Stein, BJ, and Maka have the strongest soul perception.

Ch. 55 appeared to lend weight to argument that Weapon forms are inherited.
That is why I am suggesting that Maka inherited "Weapon."

We know the look of Maka's soul from Stein; if there was 'Weapon' in her, he surely would have noticed it. This is assuming Weapon forms are always as clear from individual souls as Giriko and Justin's are.
I am still waiting for the evidence that Stein can recognize the difference between a weapon and technician soul.

Also, given the sort of direction she's taken in the past when it comes to brute strength, I doubt she would have ignored any Weapon ability she possessed. We knew early on - Shinigami in episode 5 - that a Weapon provides the physical power in a pair.

I can't imagine Maka - good student that she is - was entirely unaware of this relationship, and had she possessed a Weapon form when she decided she needed to become 'stronger' physically, I think she would have used it then if at all. She certainly was under the impression that pressing forward hard, figuratively and literally, was the way to go.
First, you say, "a weapon provides the physical power in a pair." Um, what do you mean? Also, maybe you can't imagine it, but I can. She wants to be stronger as a technician, not a weapon.

lmd_84

2008-12-14, 07:46

The inheritance point combined with the fact the Weapons' souls appear to reflect their forms is why I don't think Maka has Weapon traits. If she does, and is aware of them, I think she would have used them by now following her determination to become physically stronger.

Which leads me onto Shinigami's point in episode 5 - After Stein first hits Maka with his wavelength, Kid points out that Weapons cause physical damage and enhance their Technician's wavelength (re Shinigami's guitar and amplifier analogy).

The two - the nature of a Weapon to deal physical damage, and Maka's post-Crona determination to being physically stronger - is why I think if Maka knew she had Weapon characteristics, she would have used them by now.

Admittedly, no, we don't know Stein can identify a Weapon by their souls, so in that respect there might be something Weapon-related about Maka that we don't yet know. But that would add another unusual aspect to a character who I think already has enough to deal with - the black blood and her 'demonslayer' soul wavelength.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. You think Maka could be a Weapon of some sort, and I don't. Fair?

Cub-Sama

2008-12-20, 15:05

Question - If Maka is able to use something like Soul Purge...since she has a demon slayer wavelength wouldn't that be something she could use to rid Marie of the snake and to rid Stein of the wavelength of insanity because Soul Purge forces the users wavelength into the opponent.

lmd_84

2008-12-20, 17:50

Cub-Sama

2008-12-21, 16:11

On Marie...possibly the technique would work. I'm very dubious about the notion that Maka (or anyone) alone could dispel the effects of Asura's insanity from Stein. We know one wavelength can affect another - it's why Marie's with Franken - but Asura's wavelength is massive and extremely powerful. If Soul Purge could help Franken, I think it would have been used already, because Shinigami knows of the technique and wants to help him.

Yeah I know but it couldn't have been used already because only Maka and her mother have the Demon-Slayer Wavelength therefore if Maka was to learn to master or at least get near mastery on focusing the Demon-slayer wavelength and was able to perform Soul Purge/Double Lance or maybe even Soul Menace on Stein maybe it could at least lessen the effects of insanity on Stein.

Reincarnated

2008-12-22, 07:08

wait wait...Maka's mom has demonslayer's wavelength as well? I didn't know that!

And some random thought....I noticed earlier Maka's soul shape is an angel one , and Soul has demon inside him...wow what an opposite attract!

About getting rid of insanity , she herself can't get rid the black blood out of Soul -- how can she get rid of anyone else's?

Mattelajn

2008-12-22, 13:10

lmd_84

2008-12-22, 13:12

@Reincarnated

It's anime canon that Maka's mother has the same wavelength, I think. From what Cub-sama was suggesting, I think the idea is that because she has the demonslayer wavelength, Maka could adapt Soul Purge (or similar) to remove the effects of the insanity wavelength from, say, Stein. If so, I'd say it hasn't happened with Soul because Maka hasn't considered her wavelength like that yet. However, she has recognised that - for whatever reason - the black blood doesn't stay in her.

That said, I don't agree Maka could do such a thing. But it is a neat idea.