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* Continues from the last chapter, after Kensei counted the hakama they all tensed up which had Mashiro asking what was wrong with those uniform. Kensei replied who in the world would take off a hakama while the obi knot still tied.
* Then Kensei ordered Eishima (a long hair guy) to inform Room 46 and ordered Todo to inform 12th Division. He then ordered Kasaki (a bold guy) to set up a camp here because the enemies are now attacking shinigami instead of random souls. It wouldn’t take long before they enter Seireitei. So Kensei wanted to finish the enemies off here. The he turned back and ordered Hisagi and his friends to go back home. When he turned around, a 69 tattoo on Kensei was clear for Hisagi to see.
* A scene cut to 12th Division, Mayuri and Hiyori were bickering again. Mayuri asked Hiyori to bring some items for him but she screamed at him that she’s a Vice Captain while Mayuri was just a third seat. Mayuri replied, “In the Research Institution, he is the Vice Captain, so as long as they’re in the Research Institution area, Hiyori has to listen to him.”
* Then Urahara arrived with a gigai. He explained to Hiyori that this is for the missing person case in Rugonkai. Urahara thought those souls didn’t disappear but rather unable to remain in a human form. So if he could create a gigai in human form and gather the pieces of a soul into a gigai, those souls would turn into a human again.
* But before they could continue, Todo arrived and informed Urahara of the incident. Urahra told him that he’ll send officers tonight and asked him to report back to Kensei. After Todo left, Urahara asked Hiyori to go and she protested. Hiyori asked why couldn’t be Akon while had Akon snapped at Hiyori that she should quit be a Vice Captain. And that angered her even more. But after Urahara said ‘please’ while a tired smile, Hiyori accepted to go and said, “Fool, don’t forget to pay in advance! “
* A scene cut back to Kensei and his officers. Todo arrived in front of the tent and Eishima and a man with a mask on were the guards saying that Todo was late. Todo then said they could rest and he’ll guard the tent himself. But a mask man said it should be better for three of them to guard. Eishima agreed and ask Todo to guard the other side. Which Todo accepted with questionable eyes.
* In the tent, Kensei was annoyed because they supposed to be on guard but Mashiro was sleeping on the bed not caring of anything. Then he saw her hakama was about to open (because she moved too much), so he fixed it with an annoyance face.
* That was when Kensei heard the screams and caused Kensei and Kasaki to dash out asking what happen. Kensei was stunt to see Eishima and a mask man lying in a pool of blood while Todo stood right in between them. Kensei was about to ask Todo when Todo fell down and stop moving and bleeding as well.
* He was yelling at Kasaki to be careful and yelling at Mashiro to wake up. However that moment Kasaki screamed with a cut on his neck and fell down.
* Suddenly Kensei felt something so powerful and saying “What is it….” and suddenly he got stab. Kensei turned around to see who it was and was even shocker to see a face, “You…”At that moment in Seirietei,
“ Attention! Attention! All the captains please go to the 1st Division!!!” The noise woke Urahara who fell asleep on his desk up.Something happened to 9th Division Captain, Mugurama Kensei and Vice Captain, Kuna Mashiro! Their reiatsu have vanished! Repeat! All the captains please…” Those words woke Urahara up immediately and he asked a girl who was standing outside his room where was Hiyori. A girl replied that she just went out.
* Urahara left immediately and while he was rushing out he thought, “I should have gone from the start. If this was to happen…
Credits : SpaceCat / Annie
Mashiro is the green-haired future Vizard, yes?
Thewanderer
2008-05-07, 08:11
Mashiro is the green-haired future Vizard, yes?
Yep.
And yay, more Hiyori in this chapt.
this may be a stupid question, but who is akon again? I am drawing a blank...
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He is the guy in the 12th divison that actualy seems to do any work around there, the one on the page with a small set of horns on his head. Now is the Girl the one with the chainlink hair? And I just noticed that it looks like Mayuri has an impresonator in his squad.
Mashiro is the green-haired vice-captain of squad 7 I believe? Maybe it's the 8th or something. She's the one that wears the orange scarf and wears sunglasses on her head.
9TailsOfDestruction
2008-05-07, 13:18
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Hisagi's tattoo is a token of respect towards Kensei for saving his life. http://i32.tinypic.com/ic8c94.jpg
Hisagi's tattoo is a token of respect towards Kensei for saving his life.
This is nice to know, but, to my infinite fury, it still fails to explain what the tattoo means since we now have the question of why Kensei had it. (Assuming, of course, that it does not merely stand for his favorite sexual position.)
9TailsOfDestruction
2008-05-07, 14:04
This is nice to know, but, to my infinite fury, it still fails to explain what the tattoo means since we now have the question of why Kensei had it. (Assuming, of course, that it does not merely stand for his favorite sexual position.)
Maybe the 69 signifies the 69th district in Rukongai that Kensei is possibly from
Jingjong
2008-05-07, 19:21
[Maybe the 69 signifies the 69th district in Rukongai that Kensei is possibly from
Oh damn, I bet you're right.
That's good thinking.
is it just me or does Kensei have a 69 tattoo on his stomach as well in the spoiler picture???
Ichimaru
2008-05-07, 20:20
is it just me or does Kensei have a 69 tattoo on his stomach as well in the spoiler picture???
yeh he wants kensei to be 9, he be 6....
seriously i hope Gin at least kills one of them experiments XD
The 69 probably has to something to do with the 9th Squad and those 6 wheels, or individuals, or whatever they were that Kensei is involved with and are part of his division.
Hence the 69.
Wonder who was the culprit behind the hit on Kensei?
*mumbles how long before the yaoi fangirls churns out Hisagi x Kensei after this chapter*
The Small One
2008-05-08, 02:43
Wonder who was the culprit behind the hit on Kensei?
Looks like a black sword. We only know one character with a black sword, but he shouldn't be around this long ago. :confused:
Thewanderer
2008-05-08, 03:15
Looks like a black sword. We only know one character with a black sword, but he shouldn't be around this long ago. :confused:Isshin's Bankai?:twitch:
*mumbles how long before the yaoi fangirls churns out Hisagi x Kensei after this chapter*
Please spare Kensei he doesnt have XXX number of yaoi sites dedicated to him :heh:
Looks like a black sword. We only know one character with a black sword, but he shouldn't be around this long ago. :confused:
That statement would make sense if this wasn't a manga.
Looks like a black sword. We only know one character with a black sword, but he shouldn't be around this long ago. :confused:
Look closely. The cutting edge is white/grey like most swords, but it covered in blood so it looks somewhat black. It is definately white though. It's also rounded, which means it's not likely Benehime. We haven't seen enough of Isshin's sword to make a call about that, but I'm leaning towards Gin on this one. the who pierce not cut thing just seams like his style to me.
*mumbles how long before the yaoi fangirls churns out Hisagi x Kensei after this chapter*
*raises hand* Present!
its too easy to make jokes about how they both have 69 on their bodies.
Looks like a black sword. We only know one character with a black sword, but he shouldn't be around this long ago. :confused:
It looks like an Aizen hit to me, sneaky from the back, and plus wouldn't a captain feel someone's reatzu behind him? Aizen could have been in another plane like the time shinji was talking to Urahara and Kensei wouldn't have noticed him there. Sneak attacks and hollow experiments... smells like Aizen to me...:eyebrow:
It looks like an Aizen hit to me, sneaky from the back, and plus wouldn't a captain feel someone's reatzu behind him? Aizen could have been in another plane like the time shinji was talking to Urahara and Kensei wouldn't have noticed him there. Sneak attacks and hollow experiments... smells like Aizen to me...:eyebrow:
Just because Kensei seams suprised by the attack doesn't mean he didn't know someone was there. If it's someone who he thought was an ally (like a fellow shinigami, or the vice-captain of a close friend of his...) he may not have thought twice about standing with his back to the person.
Just because Kensei seams suprised by the attack doesn't mean he didn't know someone was there. If it's someone who he thought was an ally (like a fellow shinigami, or the vice-captain of a close friend of his...) he may not have thought twice about standing with his back to the person.
Like I said... Aizen...
Aizen is still possible, or like I said, I'm leaning toward Gin. It's been 8 years since he was able to easily kill a 3rd seat. He's got to be at least VC level by now. The point I was making was that it wouldn't take someone hiding in another plane or even masking their reatsu to attack him like that.
Another possibilty is the who vaizard theory. What if the method they used to bring out the inner hollow was to bring someone close to death, shattering their sould chain link (like Ishida tends to like to do) and then have them battle their inner hollow for control. That could explain how he's still around now after a seamingly devastating attack. What if the attack was never meant to kill him, but someone (be it Aizen or Shinji) was using him as a test subject or just recruiting him without permission?
9TailsOfDestruction
2008-05-08, 20:39
I think the surprise attack was done by this guy, one of Kensei's subordinates
http://i28.tinypic.com/23lnk2d.jpg credit to Mori
King Lycan
2008-05-08, 21:35
:o can't wait to see this
* Continues from the last chapter, after Kensei counted the hakama they all tensed up which had Mashiro asking what was wrong with those uniform. Kensei replied who in the world would take off a hakama while the obi knot still tied.
* Then Kensei ordered Eishima (a long hair guy) to inform Room 46 and ordered Todo to inform 12th Division. He then ordered Kasaki (a bold guy) to set up a camp here because the enemies are now attacking shinigami instead of random souls. It wouldn’t take long before they enter Seireitei. So Kensei wanted to finish the enemies off here. The he turned back and ordered Hisagi and his friends to go back home. When he turned around, a 69 tattoo on Kensei was clear for Hisagi to see.
* A scene cut to 12th Division, Mayuri and Hiyori were bickering again. Mayuri asked Hiyori to bring some items for him but she screamed at him that she’s a Vice Captain while Mayuri was just a third seat. Mayuri replied, “In the Research Institution, he is the Vice Captain, so as long as they’re in the Research Institution area, Hiyori has to listen to him.”
* Then Urahara arrived with a gigai. He explained to Hiyori that this is for the missing person case in Rugonkai. Urahara thought those souls didn’t disappear but rather unable to remain in a human form. So if he could create a gigai in human form and gather the pieces of a soul into a gigai, those souls would turn into a human again.
* But before they could continue, Todo arrived and informed Urahara of the incident. Urahra told him that he’ll send officers tonight and asked him to report back to Kensei. After Todo left, Urahara asked Hiyori to go and she protested. Hiyori asked why couldn’t be Akon while had Akon snapped at Hiyori that she should quit be a Vice Captain. And that angered her even more. But after Urahara said ‘please’ while a tired smile, Hiyori accepted to go and said, “Fool, don’t forget to pay in advance! “
* A scene cut back to Kensei and his officers. Todo arrived in front of the tent and Eishima and a man with a mask on were the guards saying that Todo was late. Todo then said they could rest and he’ll guard the tent himself. But a mask man said it should be better for three of them to guard. Eishima agreed and ask Todo to guard the other side. Which Todo accepted with questionable eyes.
* In the tent, Kensei was annoyed because they supposed to be on guard but Mashiro was sleeping on the bed not caring of anything. Then he saw her hakama was about to open (because she moved too much), so he fixed it with an annoyance face.
* That was when Kensei heard the screams and caused Kensei and Kasaki to dash out asking what happen. Kensei was stunt to see Eishima and a mask man lying in a pool of blood while Todo stood right in between them. Kensei was about to ask Todo when Todo fell down and stop moving and bleeding as well.
* He was yelling at Kasaki to be careful and yelling at Mashiro to wake up. However that moment Kasaki screamed with a cut on his neck and fell down.
* Suddenly Kensei felt something so powerful and saying “What is it….” and suddenly he got stab. Kensei turned around to see who it was and was even shocker to see a face, “You…”At that moment in Seirietei,
“ Attention! Attention! All the captains please go to the 1st Division!!!” The noise woke Urahara who fell asleep on his desk up.Something happened to 9th Division Captain, Mugurama Kensei and Vice Captain, Kuna Mashiro! Their reiatsu have vanished! Repeat! All the captains please…” Those words woke Urahara up immediately and he asked a girl who was standing outside his room where was Hiyori. A girl replied that she just went out.
* Urahara left immediately and while he was rushing out he thought, “I should have gone from the start. If this was to happen…
Credits : Annie
chitgoks
2008-05-08, 23:53
i think ive had an overdose of character info so many new characters now i cant pinpoint who is who lolz
cloak_and_dagger
2008-05-09, 00:01
I think the surprise attack was done by this guy, one of Kensei's subordinates
http://i28.tinypic.com/23lnk2d.jpg credit to Mori
OMG!! is it renji's DADDY?!? :twitch:
BleachOD
2008-05-09, 02:03
OMG!! is it renji's DADDY?!? :twitch: Yo that's my word...I was thinking the same thing....:heh:
Sabaku Kyu
2008-05-09, 07:22
I think the surprise attack was done by this guy, one of Kensei's subordinates
http://i28.tinypic.com/23lnk2d.jpg credit to Mori
That's Todo right before he drops dead. He's definitely not the attacker.
So, this is a good chapter. Like most people, I think the attacker is either Aizen or Gin...maybe both. But I'm thinking at least Aizen has to be involved. It can't be just that easy for a shinigami to take out a squad and its captain like that even if attacking silently from behind, but Aizen's powers would make it fairly easy. We know that Kensei survives so the question is: what's going to happen to him after this? Is he going to be captured, experimented on and turned into a vizard?
But if that's the case, how do the other members of the vizard get their powers? They can't all be attacked by surprise the way Kensei was (esp. Shinji, if the attacker really was Aizen, his powers won't be as effective on Shinji)
After all these chapters the origin of the vizard isn't much clearer. Though we did get a lot of cool background info on the other characters (finally understand Hisagi's tattoo) With supposedly only 3 more chapters before the return to main storyline, there's still a lot to explain.
On a sidenote, it looks like we have confirmation now that Urahara is NOT behind these disappearances and attacks. Otherwise, why would he be shown worrying about Hiyori? Of course, that might've been obvious to all those besides conspiracy theorists like myself :P. Still, it's good to be reassured Urahara's on the side of right.
While Aizen may have been helping, I'd be shocked if the person Kensei saw was Aizen or Gin. Think about it. Aizen and Gin were still in Soul Society, a hundred years later, the elite captains of their squads. If Kensei had seen Aizen's face, then wouldn't all the Vaizards (and probably Urahara) also know Aizen's evil nature for sure? It seems odd that SS wouldn't find out such an important fact for a hundred years, especially when Urahara is still in contact with them. Also, there were three people shown in that scene at start of 104.......I'm betting the third one wasn't Tousen, but rather some hitherto unknown villain and the guy whose blade skewers Kensei. (The black blade also being something not known to be a Gin, Tousen or Aizen characteristic, as Small One observes).
My own belief is that by the end of this arc, while the Vaizards and Urahara will have reason to suspect Aizen and Gin, they will not have any proof or direct confirmation. That would make more sense.
Thewanderer
2008-05-09, 10:06
On a sidenote, it looks like we have confirmation now that Urahara is NOT behind these disappearances and attacks. Otherwise, why would he be shown worrying about Hiyori? Of course, that might've been obvious to all those besides conspiracy theorists like myself :P. Still, it's good to be reassured Urahara's on the side of right.But a pedo don't want his lolis hurt no matter what side he's on:heh:
But I have to agree. Urahara is a good guy.
What if, SS send all the other vaizard captains.. but got pwned as well by whoever that is.. the Uruhara arrived at the scene, put them all into his new gigais, which somehow turn them to vaizard? Those gigais or those attack was an experiment meant to pull their hollow personality out.
Sabaku Kyu
2008-05-09, 11:56
On a sidenote, it looks like we have confirmation now that Urahara is NOT behind these disappearances and attacks. Otherwise, why would he be shown worrying about Hiyori? Of course, that might've been obvious to all those besides conspiracy theorists like myself :P. Still, it's good to be reassured Urahara's on the side of right.
I was actually thinking the same thing.
While Aizen may have been helping, I'd be shocked if the person Kensei saw was Aizen or Gin. Think about it. Aizen and Gin were still in Soul Society, a hundred years later, the elite captains of their squads. If Kensei had seen Aizen's face, then wouldn't all the Vaizards (and probably Urahara) also know Aizen's evil nature for sure? It seems odd that SS wouldn't find out such an important fact for a hundred years, especially when Urahara is still in contact with them.
Don't forget that with his shikai ability, Aizen could conceivably make himself look like anyone, so Kensei could be lead to believe that he was stabbed by someone else that he knew.
(The black blade also being something not known to be a Gin, Tousen or Aizen characteristic, as Small One observes).
The blade isn't black, but dark-colored with a light-edge like all zanpakuto in normal form. It's just covered in blood, which almost makes it look black at first glance.
What if, SS send all the other vaizard captains.. but got pwned as well by whoever that is.. the Uruhara arrived at the scene, put them all into his new gigais, which somehow turn them to vaizard? Those gigais or those attack was an experiment meant to pull their hollow personality out.
Only, Urahara's already heading out to the scene to find Hiyori. He should arrive before the other captains.
9TailsOfDestruction
2008-05-09, 12:37
That's Todo right before he drops dead. He's definitely not the attacker.
I made that assumption yesterday based on spoiler pics i've seen. But now after reading the manga chapter Todo is def not the attacker. Good chapter, but I want Kubo to get to the information regarding the vizards already. The anticipation is just killing me. :eyespin:
Look closely. The cutting edge is white/grey like most swords, but it covered in blood so it looks somewhat black. It is definately white though. It's also rounded, which means it's not likely Benehime. We haven't seen enough of Isshin's sword to make a call about that, but I'm leaning towards Gin on this one. the who pierce not cut thing just seams like his style to me.
Too early for gin. I think its black cause even when swords pierce through a person, they dont draw it this black. The black isnt blood. I mean, most of it is black.
I wonder if this is kurosaki's ishin's doing. Maybe its kurosaki's ishin's bankai and its similar to ichigo's.
And this could explain why ishin was sort of punished or something. I remember it was said that he lost his power or something. (ishida's dad said it)
It seems like some1 was fast enough to keep attacking and dissapearing behind them so fast that they cant see his face.
Imo, thats wat it looks like in page 18-19. Perhaps its ishin with bankai and super fast shunpo.
Or could be someone we know nthg about.
WONDERMIKE
2008-05-09, 15:27
looks like Todo was part of the conspiracy, but killed when he wasn't useful anymore.. this chapter was one of the best compared to the other tbtp-chapter, thrilling + a ultimate cliffhanger :D Hiyori<>Mayuri interaction is pure win too
Too early for gin. I think its black cause even when swords pierce through a person, they dont draw it this black. The black isnt blood. I mean, most of it is black.
I wonder if this is kurosaki's ishin's doing. Maybe its kurosaki's ishin's bankai and its similar to ichigo's.
And this could explain why ishin was sort of punished or something. I remember it was said that he lost his power or something. (ishida's dad said it)
They'd execute him for that if they found out. Nothing less.
It seems like some1 was fast enough to keep attacking and dissapearing behind them so fast that they cant see his face.
Imo, thats wat it looks like in page 18-19. Perhaps its ishin with bankai and super fast shunpo.
Or could be someone we know nthg about.
Hmm........super fast shunpo. Goddess of Flash? Or if that's too outrageous perhaps a former associate or teacher of hers?
An awesome chapter. Great mystery, good slapstick humour and well executed action. Kubo >>>>>>>> Kishimoto.
My bet it's Aizen & Ichimaru.
Konpachi
2008-05-09, 19:33
It looks like an Aizen hit to me, sneaky from the back, and plus wouldn't a captain feel someone's reatzu behind him? Aizen could have been in another plane like the time shinji was talking to Urahara and Kensei wouldn't have noticed him there. Sneak attacks and hollow experiments... smells like Aizen to me...:eyebrow:
About that, can someone explain HOW he goes into another plane or what this other plane even is?
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Also, you all are guessing all the typical pple as those behind the attacks/experiments. I would really be more interesting if Kubo drops us a bomb, something totally unexpected like say.. the person behind everything is Yamamoto. :twitch:
About that, can someone explain HOW he goes into another plane or what this other plane even is?
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Also, you all are guessing all the typical pple as those behind the attacks/experiments. I would really be more interesting if Kubo drops us a bomb, something totally unexpected like say.. the person behind everything is Yamamoto. :twitch:
We don't actually know if he goes into another plane, it just seemed that way when Shinji pulled back a piece of thin air that Aizen was hiding behind. It looked like he was in another plane of existence, but it could be that it was just his illusion technique, and Shinji can somehow see through it.
As for this chapter all I have to say is WTF???!!!!:twitch:
It seems that Kensei recognized his attacker, and if it was one of his men that guy got hit too and betrayed by whomever payed him to do whatever he did.
I'm not ruling out that it was someone already vizardized and also I am definitely not ruling out that bastard Aizen...
I am wondering though what did Urahara mean when he said "I didn't know it would come to this." Maybe all this is because of his experiments and also the three in the last chapter that we all were trying to figure out who they were might have been Urahara, Mayuri , and Akon... Anyone have a thought about this???
I seriously don't think its Isshin stabbing everyone in the last few pages, how did you guys come up with that theory????
Fipskuul
2008-05-09, 20:50
It makes you wonder if shinigami becoming vizards is a process of Urahara saving the injured or barely alive shinigamis. It is logical to think that only the strong would survive this process, hence the vice captain and captain seats becoming vizards.
Monkey D. Luffy
2008-05-09, 21:36
We don't actually know if he goes into another plane, it just seemed that way when Shinji pulled back a piece of thin air that Aizen was hiding behind. It looked like he was in another plane of existence, but it could be that it was just his illusion technique, and Shinji can somehow see through it.
As for this chapter all I have to say is WTF???!!!!:twitch:
It seems that Kensei recognized his attacker, and if it was one of his men that guy got hit too and betrayed by whomever payed him to do whatever he did.
I'm not ruling out that it was someone already vizardized and also I am definitely not ruling out that bastard Aizen...
I am wondering though what did Urahara mean when he said "I didn't know it would come to this." Maybe all this is because of his experiments and also the three in the last chapter that we all were trying to figure out who they were might have been Urahara, Mayuri , and Akon... Anyone have a thought about this???
I seriously don't think its Isshin stabbing everyone in the last few pages, how did you guys come up with that theory????
That's exactly what I'm also wondering, we might be overanalyzing the comment but to me it sounded like Urahara might of had prior knowledge or atleast a hint of what could occur. He might have nothing to do with it directly but it might be something relating to him and Mayuri's experiments or something of that sort.
^ He sent Hiyori since its the first time normal shinigami was attack. He wasn't expecting the attacker to be that strong to take out a captain.
iamthatguy
2008-05-10, 01:41
its possible that the night sky made the sword black, even look at kensei's sword, its black too?
I am wondering though what did Urahara mean when he said "I didn't know it would come to this." Maybe all this is because of his experiments and also the three in the last chapter that we all were trying to figure out who they were might have been Urahara, Mayuri , and Akon... Anyone have a thought about this???
Bleach would get major coolness points if it turned out to be an Aizen, Mayuri, Gin partnership gone sour. But unfortunately, it doesn't seem to make sense. Both in terms of Urahara's character, and him trying to make gigai to save the attacked souls. I agree with Luffy that he could bear some responsibility for it indirectly though.
Random notes:
*Anyone else find it funny how there's a super close up on Kensei's 69 tattoo, and Hisagi's eyes totally bug out :S?
*Major props to Akon for dodging the Hiyori attack. Ichigo, Shinji and Urahara have all failed to avoid it till now.
*Todo, another 69 reference.....6th seat of the 9th division. The 69 was just a curiosity at first, but now I wonder if it's actually leading upto something.
*I wonder if it'll turn out that Todo was a victim of complete hypnosis? Or if he was a sell-out? Or infested with some evil presence?
*I'm starting to enjoy the Kensei-Mashiro dynamic. It reminds me a little of Hitseguya-Matsumoto, except that Kensei seems to like his lieutenant more.
* A sweet Urahara-Hiyori moment, where he says she's the only one he can trust with the matter. But a 100 years later, he's saying to Isshin that he can't trust the Vaizards (which include Hiyori). If the Vaizards were just innocent victims of SS and/or Aizen plotting, I wonder why Urahara would be so wary of them now? It's not just that they're half-hollows; that hasn't made him uncomfortable around Ichigo yet.
The uneasiness toward the current vaizards may originate from the fact that vaizards have sworn revenge/hatred (Shinji even say it to Ichigo before) to the SS right now, thus perhap Uruhara wasnt yet sure if they are in league with Aizen or not .. or just simply 3rd party waiting to take advantage IMHO.
Thewanderer
2008-05-10, 05:00
Oh, and Hiyori is officially tsundere
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Bleach/HiyoriTsundere.jpg
About 69, I posted it 2 weeks ago:
"WOW It seems no one caught that, but here we get the answer to the tattoo of Hisagi Shuuhei
He is saved by the "6 wheels of the 9th squad" - 69
(M7 translation)"
So it was clear then and now it's 100% certainty...
True. I guess we can assume that the 69 on Kensei's chest also indicates the 6 wheels of the 9th squad?
BleachOD
2008-05-10, 10:14
About 69, I posted it 2 weeks ago:
"WOW It seems no one caught that, but here we get the answer to the tattoo of Hisagi Shuuhei
He is saved by the "6 wheels of the 9th squad" - 69
(M7 translation)"
So it was clear then and now it's 100% certainty... I DID. I remember when you said it. It was in the 104 spoiler thread. Before we saw Kensei's tattoo
What's with six wheels anyway... I always thought that was the captain's name. Todo also looked abit strange in the eyes when he was rejected to be a guard. Hypnosis anyone?
Anyway, wouldn't Isshin's appearance be very abrupt, since Shinji didn't sense his presence when he appeared in his one off appearance way back?
Sabaku Kyu
2008-05-10, 10:36
Yeah, "six wheels" is a translation of the character's in Kensei's surname Muguruma but seems like it also was used as a name for a subdivision within the 9th squad consisting of the captain, vice-captain and the top four seats (though only the seated officers wear the jackets).
nice catch lucasd, you get a cookie.
Anyway,Todo did have a suspicious look, but other than that, there didn't really seem like he had an opportunity to commit any major sabotage. He could've killed off the other two guards I suppose, but the enemy didn't seem to have any problems with taking out shinigami on his own. But maybe we'll see that he had a bigger role in the attack.
Bleach would get major coolness points if it turned out to be an Aizen, Mayuri, Gin partnership gone sour. But unfortunately, it doesn't seem to make sense. Both in terms of Urahara's character, and him trying to make gigai to save the attacked souls. I agree with Luffy that he could bear some responsibility for it indirectly though.
I also agree with Luffy. Now about the whole Aizen , Gin, and Mayuri thing, I think it is a
possibility that they were once in cahoots. It was wierd when Mayuri opened up that volt in HM with those two bodies hanging. Maybe they were experiments from 100 years ago...
Random notes:
*Anyone else find it funny how there's a super close up on Kensei's 69 tattoo, and Hisagi's eyes totally bug out :S?
Yeah its funny!:heh: He had a look in his eyes that said OMFG I want that on my face!!!! (pun intended:p)
*Major props to Akon for dodging the Hiyori attack. Ichigo, Shinji and Urahara have all failed to avoid it till now. .
Well when something happens every five minuets of every single day, you come to learn to deal with it.:D
*I wonder if it'll turn out that Todo was a victim of complete hypnosis? Or if he was a sell-out? Or infested with some evil presence?.
After sleeping on it last night, I think Todo was not the one to attack. The scene where someone was getting paid off might have been someone who was not part of the ninth squad party. It might have been a money for info type thing. I don't know... too little information has been revealed for us to make that assumption, KT might have wanted it to look that way to make us think something and then come back around to find out it was not like it seemed.
*I'm starting to enjoy the Kensei-Mashiro dynamic. It reminds me a little of Hitseguya-Matsumoto, except that Kensei seems to like his lieutenant more..
OMG! I was on the floor when she mummbled in her sleep.... And why was she caressing herself...:heh:... dreaming about Kensei maybe???
Oh yeah Urahara's troubles might be starting soon, wasn't he expelled for that untraceable gigai?
Untraceable gigai would seriously be a lame reason to permanently expel somone .I think it has more to do with Hogyoku . Also unlike Yoru Ura cant enter Senkaimon
Sabaku Kyu
2008-05-10, 16:37
Untraceable gigai would seriously be a lame reason to permanently expel somone .I think it has more to do with Hogyoku . Also unlike Yoru Ura cant enter Senkaimon
Untraceable gigai that also erases shinigami powers...
Why is it that Urahara can't enter the senkaimon again?
Untraceable gigai that also erases shinigami powers...
Why is it that Urahara can't enter the senkaimon again?
I don't think he gave a specific reason, he just said he could not go through or enter. I always thought it was because he did not want to go back to SS and get captured by the Goti 13... I will see if I can find that chapter and post the page where he stated that.
Slighted
2008-05-10, 19:00
i really doubt it is Isshin. Isshin is one of the captains and who knows what squad his is (yet; however the only likely candidates would be the 6th or 10th squad). I'm guessing everyone (Urahara, Yoruichi, etc.) ends up being 'exiled' from SS at the same time. I wonder how Mayuri gets away with it though.
Anyway, I'm not sure how Gin and Aizen could be the antagonists as they are not taichou yet. But i guess it could be possible considering the scene with Gin killing a shinigami and Aizen being impressed. Pretty good chapter.
Proof that Urahara is expelled for reasons beyond his control is when he tries to touch the portal after Ichigo and Co go through, he gets an electric shock.
I wonder where Isshin comes in though, there's no motive and if Shinji existed in this time period, wouldn't he recognize Isshin's reiatsu while trying to get Ichigo to join the vizards? Another thing that makes it funny is how Isshin was expelled 20 years ago (something Urahara said about back in a body after 20 years) and Shinji remarks that he knew the whole thing about Aizen years ago. So by logic they would have met.
Doubt he is leader of 0 division, some guy named Hakufune is sitting there, unless he IS Hakufune, or Ichigo's mother is.
Or even more whacked out, Isshin took his wife's surname.
Proof that Urahara is expelled for reasons beyond his control is when he tries to touch the portal after Ichigo and Co go through, he gets an electric shock.
Yeah I could not find a chapter where Urahara actually said he could not go throught the gate. Maybe I did not look hard enough... But I did find this.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e138/maqi/untitled-4.jpg
Doubt he is leader of 0 division, some guy named Hakufune is sitting there, unless he IS Hakufune, or Ichigo's mother is.
Or even more whacked out, Isshin took his wife's surname.
Its Hikifune, and she is a woman, and all though I would like to think Isshin is sqaud 0's captain, you only have to be captain class to be in that squad. It didn't say anywhere that Hikifune was put in squad 0 as captain. So Isshin could be the captain....
Untraceable gigai that also erases shinigami powers...
Your mistaken there ...... Thats a speciality Gigai which he gave Rukia or fooled her into using it .
Urahara has invented 3 diffrent types of gigai
* One which masks your reatsu i.e. cant be traced
* One which seeps on your shingami powers turning user into a human soul
* A Combat Gigai
Why is it that Urahara can't enter the senkaimon again?
Senkaimon rejects Urahara
Sabaku Kyu
2008-05-10, 21:57
Thank you MAQI and Geta for the explanation. Though now I wonder why it works for Yourichi and not Urahara, it probably has something to do with her cat form.
Your mistaken there ...... Thats a speciality Gigai which he gave Rukia or fooled her into using it .
Urahara has invented 3 diffrent types of gigai
* One which masks your reatsu i.e. cant be traced
* One which seeps on your shingami powers turning user into a human soul
* A Combat Gigai
The way Aizen explains it, the model he gave to Rukia is the same one that caused him to get exiled. The gigai is untraceable because it's not made up of spiritual matter and the substance that makes up the gigai also deteiorates the reiatsu of its user.
Anyways, it may seem like a lame reason, but I can see why Urahara would maybe get exiled for creating a gigai like this, since it does have some potential for dangerous use. Maybe we'll find out that someone misused the gigai and Urahara was held responsible for it. Or maybe KT will change his mind and make it so that the Hogyoku is the reason.
Well, in any way, since Isshin lost his powers 20 years ago and Uruhara should have been exiled long before that.. make you wonder how far his influence in Seireitei is even after his exiled..
But I think this chapter will deal on how vizards was created.. and his expulsion from Seireitei is a different matter IMHO.
BleachOD
2008-05-11, 00:43
Thank you MAQI and Geta for the explanation. Though now I wonder why it works for Yourichi and not Urahara, it probably has something to do with her cat form.
The way Aizen explains it, the model he gave to Rukia is the same one that caused him to get exiled. The gigai is untraceable because it's not made up of spiritual matter and the substance that makes up the gigai also deteiorates the reiatsu of its user.
. The way Aizen explains it. It seems like he was exiled for making the untraceable Gigai, but gave Rukia a modified one that not only conceals reiatsu but drains it too. Aizen had her Gigai re-called...So that would explain how knew it's abilities... I never thought they were one in the same. I am inclined to agree with Geta...
The Small One
2008-05-11, 02:07
Proof that Urahara is expelled for reasons beyond his control is when he tries to touch the portal after Ichigo and Co go through, he gets an electric shock.
This doesn't really guve us any useful information, just that for some reason he can't enter.
IMHO the most logical explanation would be, that the Gigai he is using at that time, isn't compatible with this thing. I don't think it's possible, that SS can block the way into their dimension for specific individuals.
noir senshi
2008-05-11, 02:34
I think perhaps something, maybe an experimental hollow which has the ability to possess others as it did seem that Todou seemed like the attacker of the guards and perhaps. When Kensei turned around and saw the attacker and said "little pussy", I think it may have been a possessed Hisagi.
Hmm this is some interesting stuff.
Anyone who has the raw... can i confirm that 'little pussy' is just the interpretation of the s *er-herm* canlators and was not in the original manga? Because if it was in the manga.... literally taken, the person who hit them was yoruichi.... Hey its not that impossible actually >_>
About 6 wheels of ninth squad... It'd be easy to say that thats the origin, but i really wonder... why would he use it as an origin? After all, you don't just take someone's prided symbol and tack it on your face (and no, its not about copyright >_>), it's a symbol that states that you are a part of a group after all, just taking the symbol is blatant disrespect towards the group. Maybe he joins the group, but then again, at that point of time he wasnt even a shinigami yet.
Its completely random thought,but could hiyori's brief stint at the 13th division be the reason why she could creat. hiyoi walker?
About the attackers, it could really be aizen. Someone behaving abnormally, and then being cut suddenly by an unknown force, like a master disposing his pawn. On the other hand though, it could just be that that slash was by the people he was killing, and it wasnt aizen hiding his presence with kyouga.
I think i've been watching too much claymore, but perhaps hiyori, along with kensei and mashiro would be badly injured by whoever is the antagonist here, and in a bid to save them, urahara vaizardizes them.
Another thing i noted was in page 22, urahara's text was "Once again... it should have been me... ". Makes me think that in the past, a similar situation had happened (someone had died for him). Major powerup anyone :heh:
jelome1989
2008-05-11, 09:43
It makes you wonder if shinigami becoming vizards is a process of Urahara saving the injured or barely alive shinigamis. It is logical to think that only the strong would survive this process, hence the vice captain and captain seats becoming vizards.
you have a point there.. ichigo was the first one we saw that went through that process right?
kubo definitely left us w/ countless questions/ possibilities :eyespin:
I think perhaps something, maybe an experimental hollow which has the ability to possess others as it did seem that Todou seemed like the attacker of the guards and perhaps. When Kensei turned around and saw the attacker and said "little pussy", I think it may have been a possessed Hisagi.
Well in the translation I read I did not see the words "little pussy", If I did I would of automatically thought it was Gin Ichimaru. Because he is a little kid, and as a tough guy Kensei would call anyone attacking from the back a pussy. So if these are the words in the raw manga I 100% think its Gin.
Hmm this is some interesting stuff. Anyone who has the raw... can i confirm that 'little pussy' is just the interpretation of the s *er-herm* canlators and was not in the original manga? Because if it was in the manga.... literally taken, the person who hit them was yoruichi.... Hey its not that impossible actually >_>
No, if you want to say that the person who attacked the group was a female, the the only reasonable choise would be Mashiro. Think about it, kensei had his back to the tent and he was attaked from the back. She was asleep in the tent. Maybe she was possessed by something.... :eyebrow:
Kinny Riddle
2008-05-11, 11:05
I believe I can provide the explanation for the number 69 tattoo on both Kensei and Shuuhei.
Look at the kanji on the back of the bosozoku-like coats of the Division 9 members:
六車九番隊 - Mukkuruma Kyuubantai (Mukkuruma Division Nine)
The bolded kanji are the kanji for the numbers 6 and 9. 'Nuff said.
I think it's been a very, very long time when the current Jump issue's Bleach and Naruto chapters have been captivating at the same time.
I can't remember the last time a Naruto chapter can have page after page of revelating information, and Bleach now of course is in full revelation mode.
Kensei, Shiro and Hiyori will probably get themselves fatally wounded (as well as all other known would-be Vaizards), just like how Ichigo got stabbed by Byakuya in the beginning of the series. In order to save their lives, Urahara probably decided to use the forbidden technique on them - awakening the Hollows within them and forcing them to become Vaizards, contributing to their exile.
A manga volume usually contains 8-9 chapters. Since the flashback begins at (-108) and we're now at (-103), expect the flashback arc to stop at around (-101) or (-100), that'll make 8-9 chapters and just enough to fill a manga volume.
Sabaku Kyu
2008-05-11, 12:41
The way Aizen explains it. It seems like he was exiled for making the untraceable Gigai, but gave Rukia a modified one that not only conceals reiatsu but drains it too. Aizen had her Gigai re-called...So that would explain how knew it's abilities... I never thought they were one in the same. I am inclined to agree with Geta...
I really don't see where you guys are coming from. Aizen explains that Urahara was exiled for creating a gigai that is untraceable and drains reiatsu. Where was it mentioned that Rukia was given a modified version of the one that got him exiled?
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/beegeezy33183/bleach285-1.jpg
I think i've been watching too much claymore, but perhaps hiyori, along with kensei and mashiro would be badly injured by whoever is the antagonist here, and in a bid to save them, urahara vaizardizes them.
You know, I'm really curious to see what happens to Mashiro and how she reacts to this (because she hasn't taken anything seriously so far). As far as we know, she doesn't have an idea of what's happening and hasn't been attacked yet. She'll probably end up stabbed like Kensei, but I wonder if there was a specific reason for keeping her asleep while everyone else was attacked.
Anyone who has the raw... can i confirm that 'little pussy' is just the interpretation of the s *er-herm* canlators and was not in the original manga? Because if it was in the manga....
Kensei says temee, which is just a very masculine and derogatory way of saying "you". It does not specifically mean "little pussy"
Here is a colored pic from the last chapter with the translation that says "little pussy"...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e138/maqi/Bleach__103_Pag_19_Color_by_F3D3RIC.jpg
Well that's hilarious. Little pussy indeed.
Divine Punisher
2008-05-12, 00:33
i dont think gin pierced through kensei. he usually points the edge upwards before releasing shinzou. well, the images are not so good, but im sure yyoull see what i mean.
http://static.bleachexile.com/manga/bleach/075/[manga-rain]bleach-ch075-17.png
http://static.bleachexile.com/manga/bleach/176/[M7]Bleach-ch176-22.jpg
something else: some ppl stated to be relieved to see urahara on the right side... i wouldnt be so sure about that. he seems to know more than the other:
" I didnt think it would come to this." that sounds like something didnt go according his plans (maybe?). it would also explain why hiyori went vaizard, concidering he has sth to do with it. im not sure, we will see...
something else: some ppl stated to be relieved to see urahara on the right side... i wouldnt be so sure about that. he seems to know more than the other:
" I didnt think it would come to this." that sounds like something didnt go according his plans (maybe?). it would also explain why hiyori went vaizard, concidering he has sth to do with it. im not sure, we will see...
That could mean a lot of things, it automatically doesn't have to mean that he knew the cause of what was going on, but didn't think it would become as troublesome as it has become. He probably didn't think whatever the threat might be, would be strong enough to take out a Captain and so forth.
Like I said before, if Yoruichi trust Urahara then so should we, because she isn't a sneaky and devious character, not like I'm saying Urahara is, maybe sneaky, but I think it's about time we put this to bed.
To bad Kensei had to get shanked; personall I think "You... little... pussy!" sounds better than whatever else it was "It's you!" or some crap like that. :p
HayashiTakara
2008-05-12, 01:38
Urahara planned on Rukia becoming human completely absorbing the Hyogoku, thusly negating its existence, but Aizen caught wiff of where it was, and that it was in Rukia so he was the one that tipped off Rukia's wereabouts and such to have her arrested to remove it when he gets the chance. Urahara wants to get rid of it. If you pay attention to his character, Urahara is ridden with guilt, he blames all thats happened on himself, and according to his chat with Yoruichi, he doesn't believe he'll escape death.
cloudstrife13
2008-05-12, 02:06
Hiya forums, first time posting so here it goes...
You're forgetting someone, Tousen Kaname.
Isn't it the fact that Tousen turned the former 9th squad into a truth and justice squad?
Well maybe the reason is related about her fiancee or wife getting killed when he was still below ranks and he suspects that the 9th squad is involved? And maybe he became captain just to investigate who did that to them?
Hiya forums, first time posting so here it goes...
You're forgetting someone, Tousen Kaname.
Isn't it the fact that Tousen turned the former 9th squad into a truth and justice squad?
Well maybe the reason is related about her fiancee or wife getting killed when he was still below ranks and he suspects that the 9th squad is involved? And maybe he became captain just to investigate who did that to them?
Aizen says it "From the start Tousen Kaname has been my subordinate". From the moment Aizen began to initiate his plans, which we can pressume was well before he became a Captain, Tousen has been by his side.
Anyways, Tousen is a coward and weakling, the only he stands a chance against is Kon. :p
Divine Punisher
2008-05-12, 02:18
That could mean a lot of things, it automatically doesn't have to mean that he knew the cause of what was going on, but didn't think it would become as troublesome as it has become. He probably didn't think whatever the threat might be, would be strong enough to take out a Captain and so forth.
Like I said before, if Yoruichi trust Urahara then so should we, because she isn't a sneaky and devious character, not like I'm saying Urahara is, maybe sneaky, but I think it's about time we put this to bed.
To bad Kensei had to get shanked; personall I think "You... little... pussy!" sounds better than whatever else it was "It's you!" or some crap like that. :p
see? thats why i write words like "maybe", "we will see" or "not sure". because im not sure or trying to predict stuff. and thats what i enjoy about kisuke... not knowing what hes up to.
he invented the "tool" to crossover shinigami/hollows, plays a major role in this flashback, plus started some research with the nutcase kurotsuchi, but if Yoruichi trust Urahara then so should we, right? right? WRONG, dont trust anybody in this flashback... and with aizen mixed up, not even what you see.
observation is yoroichis job, and going easy on urahara would explain why sth like this can happen in the gotei13, without secret c. noticing. did you ever ask yourself why she left ss? besides, what difference does that make if yoroichi trusts him or not? i dont want to start counting the ppl who trusted aizen (not that i compare them, just pointing out kubos writing style)
its obvious that kubo wants us to speculate, so lets do it! :D
cloudstrife13
2008-05-12, 02:38
Aizen says it "From the start Tousen Kaname has been my subordinate". From the moment Aizen began to initiate his plans, which we can pressume was well before he became a Captain, Tousen has been by his side.
Anyways, Tousen is a coward and weakling, the only he stands a chance against is Kon. :p
Yes, Tousen was a subordinate but remember that he still holds firm to his stand about justice. I feel that Tousen joined him because of his access to info since Aizen is Lieuntenant. Maybe they're just using each other.
I think that the 'start' that you're talking about was the timeline at -103. Maybe Aizen already talked to some freelance shinigami, Gin included.
BleachOD
2008-05-12, 10:05
I really don't see where you guys are coming from. Aizen explains that Urahara was exiled for creating a gigai that is untraceable and drains reiatsu. Where was it mentioned that Rukia was given a modified version of the one that got him exiled?
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/beegeezy33183/bleach285-1.jpg
"Kyu...Who translated this? Mine says something different I must read it again...
Thanks for Sexy color photo...
A new sig idea has been born..:p
Sabaku Kyu
2008-05-12, 13:34
Kyu...Who translated this? Mine says something different I must read it again...
It was translated by manga-rain, who usually does pretty accurate scanslations. Urahara's passage in wikipedia also supports this and it must be right because it's Wikipedia
don't have the Bleach databook, that would be useful to confirm this. but anyways, it's only minor nitpick--whether or not the gigai that got Urahara exiled can both mask and drain reiatsu -- but it makes more sense that the gigai had both abilities.
I read the book again, and the scans are correct, and now that it's revealed that there is no such thing as retiring or escaping from any division for life, it makes sense why he was expelled for that untraceable gigai, as that would cause defectors?
Yes, Tousen was a subordinate but remember that he still holds firm to his stand about justice. I feel that Tousen joined him because of his access to info since Aizen is Lieuntenant. Maybe they're just using each other.
I think that the 'start' that you're talking about was the timeline at -103. Maybe Aizen already talked to some freelance shinigami, Gin included.
I stand by my comment that Tousen is a coward, that or he has an incredably skewed view of the word "justice" believing that senceless slaughter in the name of justice, is the right thing to do. Give me a brake.
It's like Death Note, there were those who supported Kira/Light out of fear or reverance, and proclaimed him to be a God becuse he was justice, and there were those who apposed him because his senseless killing was not justice, but acts of evil.
Tousen's personal vendetta is not justice, it's a skewed form of reasoning that he uses in order to convince himself, and only himself, because frankly no one believes him, that he is doing the right thing.
see? thats why i write words like "maybe", "we will see" or "not sure". because im not sure or trying to predict stuff. and thats what i enjoy about kisuke... not knowing what hes up to.
he invented the "tool" to crossover shinigami/hollows, plays a major role in this flashback, plus started some research with the nutcase kurotsuchi, but if Yoruichi trust Urahara then so should we, right? right? WRONG, dont trust anybody in this flashback... and with aizen mixed up, not even what you see.
observation is yoroichis job, and going easy on urahara would explain why sth like this can happen in the gotei13, without secret c. noticing. did you ever ask yourself why she left ss? besides, what difference does that make if yoroichi trusts him or not? i dont want to start counting the ppl who trusted aizen (not that i compare them, just pointing out kubos writing style)
its obvious that kubo wants us to speculate, so lets do it! :D
What did Urahara do after creating all of the devices that he did? Attempt to destroy because he realized the potential they had. Instead of using them for his own gain, he's consistantly even to this very day attempted to get rid of them any way he can in order to protect those that they could harm.
You know, last time I checked, even though Myuri was a dispecable person, he isn't exactly an Aizen, he's not hellbent on world domination, or he's into double crossing everyone in the Soul Society. He's not angel, and he's probably a demon, but he isn't an enemy, and has not proven to be as such.
Just because Aizen is in the mix, who's to say that's reflectant upon the other characters? Hirako has this amazing ability to actually usurp Aizen's crazy zanpakto ability. Whether or not people are being affected by Aizen's abilities, is something that can be speculated, but I personally I'm fine with saying that Urahara is a good person, with good intents, and not some maniacal tyrant waiting to double cross the world.
i think maybe urara turned hiyori and co into vaizards to save them cause the were on the verge of death. or in the processed of trying to save them from dissaparing like the vanguard, they turned into vaizards idk just theorizing
When do you think Hitsguya is gonna show an appearance?
Very very very much later. Wasn't he in bleach -16 or something?
Thewanderer
2008-05-13, 09:07
When do you think Hitsguya is gonna show an appearance?After he's born, most likely.
Divine Punisher
2008-05-13, 15:36
What did Urahara do after creating all of the devices that he did? Attempt to destroy because he realized the potential they had. Instead of using them for his own gain, he's consistantly even to this very day attempted to get rid of them any way he can in order to protect those that they could harm.
You know, last time I checked, even though Myuri was a dispecable person, he isn't exactly an Aizen, he's not hellbent on world domination, or he's into double crossing everyone in the Soul Society. He's not angel, and he's probably a demon, but he isn't an enemy, and has not proven to be as such.
Just because Aizen is in the mix, who's to say that's reflectant upon the other characters? Hirako has this amazing ability to actually usurp Aizen's crazy zanpakto ability. Whether or not people are being affected by Aizen's abilities, is something that can be speculated, but I personally I'm fine with saying that Urahara is a good person, with good intents, and not some maniacal tyrant waiting to double cross the world.
omg, are you drunk? i did not say urahara is evil, but his actions are controversal. theyve always been. first time we saw him, he tried to get rid of kon. he put ichigos life in danger to regain his shinigami powers. next thing was hiding the hogyiku inside rukia, and gave her a gigai, which drais her shinigami powers, on porpose. then he sended off ichigo to her rescue, without filling him in. and like some other ppl posted, he seems full of guilt in the real timeline, as if he was trying to make sth up. maybe hes involved, maybe not. but dont count him out because yoroichi is trusting him. thats all im trying to say.
and mayuri isnt an enemy? did it ever cross your mind that he coud have backstabbed urahara to get his position?
omg, are you drunk? i did not say urahara is evil, but his actions are controversal. theyve always been. first time we saw him, he tried to get rid of kon. he put ichigos life in danger to regain his shinigami powers. next thing was hiding the hogyiku inside rukia, and gave her a gigai, which drais her shinigami powers, on porpose. then he sended off ichigo to her rescue, without filling him in. and like some other ppl posted, he seems full of guilt in the real timeline, as if he was trying to make sth up. maybe hes involved, maybe not. but dont count him out because yoroichi is trusting him. thats all im trying to say.
and mayuri isnt an enemy? did it ever cross your mind that he coud have backstabbed urahara to get his position?
Right... so what are you implying then? Clearly who's ever doing this is evil, or is a psycopath, for the most part, I don't consider Urahara to be any of those. You're claiming that "you shouldn't count him out!"; count him out of what? His involvement in whatever is going around killing all the innocent? Or that he is somewhat plotting everything from the back seat?
To me all of that sounds like the work of an evil genius; so then how can you continuesly say "don't count him out!" when that's the only thing you can hint to. Is it possible that Urahara was the creator of the Vaizards, judging from his track record, I would say most definately. But doesn't that clash with his "possible" or "could be" involvement in the recent killings? No why would he bother?
This is a Shonen Manga, there's no way a character like that would ever pull a 180 like that after doing something horrific.
Oh and, I have faith in the Soul Society; just because when Aizen decided to execute his master plan, everyone was sent into a craze over how easy they were dooped, I just look at is a worst case scenerio. I don't think the Soul Society is senile, I don't think they are oblivious, and I don't think that they can be easily minipulated just because one guy was able to do so. So with that being said, you bet I trust Myuri, even as dispicable as he is, he's no Aizen.
How can a guy with a bankai like Tousen's be weak?
I want Isshin and Ryuuken to start appearing in the upcoming chapters. I'm excited to know the history of the vizards and some former captains, but ever since Isshin was revealed to be a former captain, I've wanted to know his background story. Anyone think Kubo'll say anything pertaining to those guys soon?
Zaraki fans hate Tousen though I was the first to call Tousen the MJ OF HM I always cut him some slack . The reason he hates Zaraki is sorta a justified . He thinks Zaraki is the embodiment of his lovers Husband who killed her . Its a twisted comparison by Tosen is a bit far fetched . But if you actually bother to read that manga chapter and esp. the flashback , yes the flash back is incomplete in the anime .
To summarize (148)
Tosen gets along with this girl very well and he falls for her . She doesnt quite understand Tosen's feelings or she is oblivious . Tosen on the other hand has fallen for her pretty badly . Her dream is to become a shinigami . She achieved it by marrying a shinigami yep she views Tosen as a really good frend . The scene where she tells Tosen i.e. breaking his heart is really sad . The same guy who stole Tosen's muse kills her over a petty argument .
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So Tousen decides to fulfil her goals of justice and takes on her beliefs , Yes that girl is very idelastic .
And yes Tosen goes and throws this all away when he joins Aizen
Divine Punisher
2008-05-14, 16:00
Right... so what are you implying then? Clearly who's ever doing this is evil, or is a psycopath, for the most part, I don't consider Urahara to be any of those. You're claiming that "you shouldn't count him out!"; count him out of what? His involvement in whatever is going around killing all the innocent? Or that he is somewhat plotting everything from the back seat?
To me all of that sounds like the work of an evil genius; so then how can you continuesly say "don't count him out!" when that's the only thing you can hint to. Is it possible that Urahara was the creator of the Vaizards, judging from his track record, I would say most definately. But doesn't that clash with his "possible" or "could be" involvement in the recent killings? No why would he bother?
This is a Shonen Manga, there's no way a character like that would ever pull a 180 like that after doing something horrific.
Oh and, I have faith in the Soul Society; just because when Aizen decided to execute his master plan, everyone was sent into a craze over how easy they were dooped, I just look at is a worst case scenerio. I don't think the Soul Society is senile, I don't think they are oblivious, and I don't think that they can be easily minipulated just because one guy was able to do so. So with that being said, you bet I trust Myuri, even as dispicable as he is, he's no Aizen.
i see your point jays. of course you can have faith in ss. its just that at this point of the story, everything is possible.
and i dont think that aizen/gin are the only bad guys back then. im pretty sure, that at the end of this flashback, the unknown enemys wil be revealed and standing on aizens side against ss.
and with urahara, mayuri, aizen and shinji you have every mastermind involved. i know for sure that urahara has a good core, but hes a scientist, and if hes not involved in the missing soul case, he still could be in the vaizard creation.
or could it be the same case?
Zaraki fans hate Tousen though I was the first to call Tousen the MJ OF HM I always cut him some slack . The reason he hates Zaraki is sorta a justified . He thinks Zaraki is the embodiment of his lovers Husband who killed her . Its a twisted comparison by Tosen is a bit far fetched . But if you actually bother to read that manga chapter and esp. the flashback , yes the flash back is incomplete in the anime .
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And yes Tosen goes and throws this all away when he joins Aizen
You know what would be great irony? If Tousen's friend was the same woman the Ken respected so much. Highly unlikely but still it would be great.
If that was the case Tosen would have atleast asked about Yachiru's name . Also makes me wonder who was that drinking buddy with whom alter action took place which led to her death
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