Macross Frontier - Episode 06 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

4Tran

2008-05-07, 12:46

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Westlo

2008-05-07, 18:38

Hoping to hear a new song from Sheryl in addition to what should surely be Diamond Crevesse.

Realist_Classic

2008-05-07, 18:56

CaptGloval

2008-05-08, 00:26

As for me, I'm just waiting for the Battle-25 deployment :D

Wesley84

2008-05-08, 00:49

Time to find out if the Galaxy pilot made it or not!

NoOneKnowS

2008-05-08, 02:04

More Sheryl and Alto scenes and I'll be happy. :)

Westlo

2008-05-08, 02:15

I think too that 'Diamond Crevasse' is a given, since the single will be out.

Perhaps the new song will be 'Welcome To My FanClub’s Night!' sung exclusively to Alto (just to balance out Ranka's 'Aimo').

Yeah I'm hoping that is played.. I just want to hear another insert song since this series has been great so far in that aspect.

Zeneva

2008-05-08, 10:41

I'm expecting this episode to be 10/10 after seeing the title of the episode.

ipernorris

2008-05-08, 10:43

I'm expecting this episode to be 10/10 after seeing the title of the episode.
Yeah even if I don't see how can Sherly say "bye bye" when her colony is surrounded by Vajra... :confused:
She has to become a refugee or something along those lines.

Renegade334

2008-05-08, 11:46

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NoOneKnowS

2008-05-08, 11:50

Thank God.

Wesley84

2008-05-08, 12:09

That's one ugly mother.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-08, 12:27

That's one ugly mother.

More like Birdman's ugly cousin.

Oh anime or drama about the exploits of Nekki Basara?:heh:

Now those are bridge bunnies.

CaptGloval

2008-05-08, 12:36

That's one ugly mother.

Looks more like
a good target for the Macross Cannon.

squaresphere

2008-05-08, 12:51

Kinda figure this will be a setup ep before things start going blowy uppy.

Tabris

2008-05-08, 13:10

Looks more like
a good target for the Macross Cannon.
This would make me happy indeed :)

Tsuchiro

2008-05-08, 13:18

gah only Diamond Crevasse full version :(

Kaioshin Sama

2008-05-08, 13:27

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http://www.shareapic.net/preview3/008361120.jpg (http://www.shareapic.net/content.php?id=8361120)

Is that a Macross 7 pic in there?

Renegade334

2008-05-08, 13:30

Yeah (the logo on the lower left corner clears any doubt about that)...along with a 1/144 ZAKU model advertisement. :-|

No offense meant, but are we sure the last picture indeeed belongs to this episode and is not a fanmade CG casually slipped in by a 2chan user? It seems awfully high-res compared to the other screenshots and sort of lacks the Vajra's colorful paint jobs, so you can understand my doubts...

Kikuchi

2008-05-08, 13:42

I just watched the ep and I didn't saw that thing in it.

It was a nice episode, but nothing important happened. As predicted, it was mainly a setup episode.

ThoHell

2008-05-08, 14:00

SOMEONE PLZ EXPLAIN THE BLOODY HIPPO OUTFIT!

Good episode enjoyed it, actually I think the thing that makes these type of series good is the music and how well it plays with the series.

Oni-chan.....funny....

Romance in this seires is going to be complicated, one heartbreaking triangle.

Alto lied to Ranka without even thinking about it, actually it's more like he didn't even realized he lied. He really thought he was went by himself.

Looking forward to ep 7!!!!!!!!!

ipernorris

2008-05-08, 14:04

Guys don't eat me, I just took the photo from 2chan thinking it belonged to the episode. I know nothing about japanese. :)

Samanosuke

2008-05-08, 14:17

Damn this was an awesome episode. especially thanks to the ending that was awesome.
Gotta love how "oni-chan" accepted whatshisface proposition .
Gotta love all the expressions Ranka's face can make.
Also , anyone knows what's the name of that White-base (j/k ?) look alike they are on ? didn't catch it's name if they said it . =/
Anyway , Next episode looks like it will be action-packed , I think we can expect a few ( or at least one ) death .

deffusse

2008-05-08, 14:24

episode 6 was superior quality, looks like big fight is about to start in 7th;)..... the macrossF series is much better than CG_R2 to me, if i have to compare the both....

RageTitus

2008-05-08, 14:48

Awesome episode, lots happened even though it was a slow episode. The whole departure scene felt like they were never going to come back.
Alto, Sheryl and the earing was obvious as well.
Kathy got assigned to the SMS Battleship as well (I think its called SMS Macross Quarter), so shes along for the ride.
Also in the preview i thought i caught a glimpse of Mr Birla(sp?).

Anyways excellent episode and now i am dying to know what happens next. These next 7 days are going to be hell.

Tsuchiro

2008-05-08, 14:55

Renegade334

2008-05-08, 15:02

Screencaps and (yet to be written) summary are available at Random Curiosity (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/05/08/macross-frontier-06/). Consequently I'll withdraw the earlier 2chan link and replace it with this one.

Realist_Classic

2008-05-08, 15:06

That was another great episode.

Lots of nice things going on in a fairly slow, but needed transition episode. Looks like Ozma has given in and let Ranka pursue her singing career after all.

Absolutely loved how Sheryl's earring symbolizes her connection to Alto, especially that blend-in shot from Alto's cockpit into Sheryl standing in the concert hall. I just wished that the animation quality was a bit better.

In terms of the state of the love triangle, I think that one shot of Ranka having to run a marathon to the concert hall is an accurate depiction of where Ranka is relative to Sheryl at the moment. I have a feeling that ThoHell's comment is on the mark (comment #23).

Although production values dropped quite a bit and became a distraction, especially towards the final minutes of the ending.

However, all of this episode's shortcomings will most likely be forgotten next week. Sh*t's going down!!!

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-08, 15:13

Well at least I was right that Mr. Viller is Zentradi with a cybernetic eye.

Too bad he was not Vrlitwhai.:heh:

D a m i e n

2008-05-08, 15:20

good eps. first time in over a year that i feel like giving an episode a 9/10.
not much to say, a very good execution in this eps, the mood was right how it was supposed to be, the things the characters didnt say were the right ones.
i never appreciated the end song to it s true value until this eps, the song when associate with the animation had a strong emotional impact on me.

just a detail but what the heck was up with the eye design in this eps, they looked strange compared to the previous eps (might just be me thou)

Tsuchiro

2008-05-08, 15:20

boy does ranka run fast? she was like a mile away from the concert hall

Deathkillz

2008-05-08, 15:54

SOMEONE PLZ EXPLAIN THE BLOODY HIPPO OUTFIT!

Lol...I was just as surprised ^^

Well, besides the bad animation from time to time, I thought this was another nice ep. Things are moving so fast now, I can just feel the epix battles beginning (gogo captain GARlock!).
Ranka is really "getting it" though...her chances are fading fast.

TwilightHack

2008-05-08, 15:56

D a m i e n

2008-05-08, 16:10

SOMEONE PLZ EXPLAIN THE BLOODY HIPPO OUTFIT!

my guess would be a lain reference... dont ask me what lain would have anything to do with macross. but both lain and ranka's pijama looks kinda similar

Tak

2008-05-08, 16:25

The scene where Sheryl ascended to the concert as Alto prepared to launch pretty much enforced the meaning of 'Valkyrie'. I like the symbolism very much.

Also dig the brother scene. But its funny, because its as if Ozma was accepting a marriage proposal for his sister.

Saw lots of Meltlandi gunships, as well.

- Tak

Wesley84

2008-05-08, 16:35

Looks more like
a good target for the Macross Cannon.

Not if mother gets a shot off first.

ani_d

2008-05-08, 17:15

pinoy78

2008-05-08, 17:18

pinoy78

2008-05-08, 17:28

Awesome stuff.

With Cathy Glass joining the SMS bridge crew it's just like old times.

Bobby reminds me of Claudia, the battle hardened Captain, and the bridge bunnies are all there.

W-General

2008-05-08, 20:42

Wow, Macross F keeps surprising me. I just get more and more impressed by it. This episode started out kinda slowly, but sped up a lot starting form the press conference - even though it's just mostly setting up for the next episode.

The final ending sequence, with the Macross quarter separating from the colony, and accompanied with Diamon Crevasse. What a great transition! What an incredible way to end the episode. Instead of just looking forward to Geass R2 every week, I get look forward to Geass R2 and Macross F every week.

Macross F doesn't do anything new - it's all very classic Macross stuff and homages, but they just do it right even with all the production-values crashing (esp. characters' faces - you compare characters' faces from eps 4-6 they'd all look different from each other). It's just so pretty and so well choreographed that I'd be willing to overlook such missteps (knowing that they'd be corrected for the gorgeous Blu-Ray release - BANDAI VISUAL: RELEASE BLU-RAY MACROSS F IN THE US!!!)

I am not going to call who's going to win (Sheryl or Ranka) but I am just going to say that I am becoming more and more drawn to Sheryl's side. I started out as a fan for Ranka but Sheryl just seems so...deep a character. She's very strong and determined, but has her softer and more playful sides. That's a complete character to me.

Tabris

2008-05-08, 20:45

Nice nice.

I like how Alto totally neglected Ranka in this episode. Michael calling him an idiot was probably the writer's way of emphasizing that. Just after 2 Sheryl-filled episodes, Alto's all 'Sherified' already. He even lied to Ranka, that jerk haha Poor thing. But I like how things are going so far.

I also loved the last five minutes (cuz of Diamond Crevasse) and that last bit where Ranka saw the SMS head off after 'marathoning' to get to the concert hall. She never even had a proper goodbye to them. Next episode is giving me bad vibes. They better not kill off Ozma next episode or the episode after that. x_x

So I heard this show is going to be 25 episode long? Is that true?

I don't think they'll kill anyone off this soon. Maybe one of the minor characters, but I doubt we'll be seeing any Skulls die. Then again, this is Macross, and it wouldn't be the same without some drama.

It was kinda good, and bad seeing what shape the Galaxy fleet was in though.

Was a nice episode though, but the week wait between episodes is killing me now. I was checking that place for RAWs all day and jumped on them as soon as they were released. Now I have to wait another week for more :(

Oh, and about the next episode:

I thought this was M-Galaxy for some reason first time I watched through it because of the clamshell design, but after pausing the screenshot, it doesn't look so much like a colonisation ship any more.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2189/ehlw5.jpg

Maybe it's like a Vajra hive? It does a mighty large beam, I'll say that at least.
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8899/91022440bq3.jpg

Edit:

Okay, I'm pretty definite it's a Vajra capital ship/hive or something, this was earlier in the preview.
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3395/grab34732ih2.jpg

mikemil828

2008-05-08, 20:52

I guess when you are the captain of your very own Macross you can get away with slapping a bridge bunny's butt.

Cadorna

2008-05-08, 20:59

^Because he Is GARlock man

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-08, 21:15

Geez Not only does Macross Frontier have more space and environment than Macross 7 but has 2 Macross battleships!

Ok one is privately owned but still.

SMS Macross Quarter's captain is a perv.:heh:

After captains like Global and Maximillian Jenius we get this guy who sexually harasses bridge bunnies. At least the gay dude is safe.

I'm assuming what we saw was Macross Galaxy's main battleship. If they were smart they would shell down and fold the heck out of there.

Tabris

2008-05-08, 21:17

That's what I thought. (About M-Galaxy's battleship)

It looks like it anyhow.

Shinji103

2008-05-08, 21:43

I'm assuming what we saw was Macross Galaxy's main battleship. If they were smart they would shell down and fold the heck out of there.Assuming that they're able to, that is. The Vajra could have come in and taken out their Fold engine before they could do much about it. That would be the basic battle tactic to take out Fold-capable ships.

Haesslich

2008-05-08, 21:47

Garlock man? I thought he looked more like a cross between Focker and Global, with the Harlock-like scar across the face. Well... I guess they had to get SOMEONE on the show who flirted like Focker did, seeing how Ozma wasn't capable of doing so and Mikhail has absolutely no luck with the ladies so far. At least, Klein seems to give him dirty looks more often than not.

Kaioshin Sama

2008-05-08, 21:54

BANDAI VISUAL: RELEASE BLU-RAY MACROSS F IN THE US!!!)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :twitch:

SpaceDrake

2008-05-08, 22:22

So I heard this show is going to be 25 episode long? Is that true?

It's scheduled for at least two cours, yes. I suspect if it does well it'll end up being even longer - which may or may not end up being a good thing.

BANDAI VISUAL: RELEASE BLU-RAY MACROSS F IN THE US!!!

Jesus Christ are you out of your damn mind. It's likely BVUSA won't even be in business next year. If Harmony Gold doesn't try to bring it over, I imagine Bandai Entertainment or Funimation will do so. Especially if the quality keeps up over the entire run - unlike the sillier aspects of Mac7, this thing would be a surefire hit with older Robotech/Mac fans. There'll be a ton of pressure for it to come over but I want a competent company to do so.

Tak

2008-05-08, 22:24

but I want a competent company to do so.

And that, is definitely not Harmony Gold.

- Tak

SpaceDrake

2008-05-08, 22:31

And that, is definitely not Harmony Gold.

Well, no comment. :)

I'm going to be gobsmacked if this show ends up like Mac7 though. Mac7 had legitimate problems (very heavy constant use of music that had to be licensed, lots of use of stock animation leading to a good number of dull undynamic fights, a protracted story with lots of filler, a VERY different visual feel from SDF Macross, etc) that made for a pretty competent argument against bringing the series over. MacF, however, is obviously trying to match the original's spirit and is one of the most gorgeous, imaginative, and playful shows in years, even when it uses budget animation. It would be insanity to pass this show over.

Tak

2008-05-08, 22:39

Well, no comment. :)

I'm going to be gobsmacked if this show ends up like Mac7 though. Mac7 had legitimate problems (very heavy constant use of music that had to be licensed, lots of use of stock animation leading to a good number of dull undynamic fights, a protracted story with lots of filler, a VERY different visual feel from SDF Macross, etc) that made for a pretty competent argument against bringing the series over. MacF, however, is obviously trying to match the original's spirit and is one of the most gorgeous, imaginative, and playful shows in years, even when it uses budget animation. It would be insanity to pass this show over.

Yes, but it will never get past the US of A without a major lawsuit filed against Harmony Gold. Unless HG knows itself to be on the LOSING SIDE and decided to give up, or otherwise end up in a slow, and agonizing death. Although the keyword here is 'slow', meaning new Macross franchises probably won't see the light of day on this side of the shore in the near future.

- Tak

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-08, 23:06

Interestingly Macross Galaxy's escort fleet are Meltrandi warships. (Girls woohoo!)

Not that good old Zentradi warships had not been used before. Such as Megaroad 1 and Macross 5.

So that's what Sheryll meant Zentradi are on other ships.

Guess Chlore's fleet went on the escort biz. 14 years earlier they were cultured (turned to fangirls) by Nekki Basara.

The Meltran ships I think we saw.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/dyrl/meltrandi-gunship.jpg
Meltrandi Gunship

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/dyrl/meltrandi-picket.jpg
Meltrandi picket

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/dyrl/meltrandi-destroyer.jpg
Meltrandi destroyer

SpaceDrake

2008-05-08, 23:26

For further discussion, I don't think that the current ship SMS has is a full-size SDF. It doesn't seem big enough and wasn't docked up front. They still own their own warship which is nuts, but they don't have a Macross Cannon.

Yet.

In fact, looking over the previous post...

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/dyrl/meltrandi-gunship.jpg
Meltrandi Gunship

... isn't this the exact ship SMS is using currently? It may have been converted into a fighter carrier from a gunship but the twin-pylon bow is exactly the same.

EDIT: OK, not exactly the same, but it's pretty darn close and it's still too small to be a proper SDF.

Sepiraph

2008-05-09, 01:12

Very nice episode, loved how they ended it. Next one looks like there may be a big fight! :D

Westlo

2008-05-09, 01:31

Another great episode of Frontier even though the animation dipped (looks like some of it was outsourced to the a company in Manila/Philippines) it still provided character and plot development as well as setting up things for next week.

The bond between Sheryl and Alto gets increased this week.. god those two are so tsundere to each other at times.. but it was great to see how earring scene went from Alto to Sheryl... he really looked contented in those scenes. Also with Kathy along for the ride we will get more interaction between her and Ozma. The entire Diamond Crevesse thing was done very nicely though I'm hoping they redraw a few of the scenes for the dvd release.

Was surprised to see Jeffrey Wilder grab Monica's ass.. even more surprised to see that she actually liked it lol. The Ozma scene at the start was classic, like someone said it was like he was giving her away for marriage.

Next episode looks awesome.. I'm guessing Sheryl will realize Ranka is in the seat she gave to Alto.. also should hear her sing that song which was being played before the OP this episode when she was practicing her dance moves. And the action should be awesome.. König Monster fuck yes!

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-09, 01:38

For further discussion, I don't think that the current ship SMS has is a full-size SDF. It doesn't seem big enough and wasn't docked up front. They still own their own warship which is nuts, but they don't have a Macross Cannon.

Yet.

In fact, looking over the previous post...

... isn't this the exact ship SMS is using currently? It may have been converted into a fighter carrier from a gunship but the twin-pylon bow is exactly the same.

EDIT: OK, not exactly the same, but it's pretty darn close and it's still too small to be a proper SDF.

You do realize that the original Macross was a Supervision army gunship right?

Besides it's called SMS Macross Quarter, so it's just a fraction.

Westlo

2008-05-09, 01:54

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-09, 02:05

Inquisidor

2008-05-09, 04:02

Btw some questions about the dialogue since I know zero japanese... what did the reporter say that made Sheryl grab the mic and what did Sheryl say (please help galaxy?) after that. Also what did Leon say that shocked Kathy so much? (you will go with SMS?)

Sheryl still believes that Galaxy has survived and thanks the Frontier for sending help. The first reporter says that the message from Galaxy arrived days later because of Fold Dislocation. Another reporters mentions that sending help might draw the Vajra but Sheryl replies that is it okay to leave them to die? and besides Frontier has already been attacked by the Vajra. And finally Sheryl got angry at the last reporter because he mentioned about canceling the concert and concerning the fans... but he can't finish the question before Sheryl grabs the mic and asks who's to decide that, that she'll do the concert anyways and return to Galaxy.

The only thing Leon says is that he has a request for Cathy, we don't hear the whole stuff, but it's most likely something to do with her boarding the SMS Macross Quarter.

NoOneKnowS

2008-05-09, 04:22

Sheryl still believes that Galaxy has survived and thanks the Frontier for sending help. The first reporter says that the message from Galaxy arrived days later because of Fold Dislocation. Another reporters mentions that sending help might draw the Vajra but Sheryl replies that is it okay to leave them to die? and besides Frontier has already been attacked by the Vajra. And finally Sheryl got angry at the last reporter because he mentioned about canceling the concert and concerning the fans... but he can't finish the question before Sheryl grabs the mic and asks who's to decide that, that she'll do the concert anyways and return to Galaxy.

Wow; how sweet of her to be so caring for her hometown and all the people in there. That's my fav girl in the series. :D:D:D ("Still downloading the raw; damn my nets slow at these times. >_>").

Tsukiyomi

2008-05-09, 05:24

I loved how the concert transitioned directly to the ending sequence like it was planned all along! it might've been actually!

the appearance of the Galaxy remnants was awesome. Sheryl and Alto have great chemistry. So far it looks like Ranka's character is just going towards the path of Lynn Minmay. She is long way from that goal. While Sheryl dreads being "Sheryl"

They both walk on different ends of the same path, but they also both seem to converge on Alto.

great episode.. aching to see next week's!

Another thing i noticed is the screwed up during the Concert scene... Sheryl's earring first appeared on her LEFT ear.. and then in a later scene it appears on her RIGHT ear.. when she only has one earring!

Tsuchiro

2008-05-09, 06:11

Another thing i noticed is the screwed up during the Concert scene... Sheryl's earring first appeared on her LEFT ear.. and then in a later scene it appears on her RIGHT ear.. when she only has one earring!

if you were paying attention that was the earring alto has in his cockpit ... it was just slowly fading away

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-09, 08:19

While I was wrong in guessing Mr. Viller is Vrlitwhai Kridanik. WTF on Ranka's scout being named Elmo Kridanik.

Could this mean those two are brothers?

Does this mean unlike Exedol , Vrlitwhai found the time to have kids?

Oh yeah Alto getting Sheryl's earing for luck is a reference to Gamlin and Mylene of Macross 7.

W-General

2008-05-09, 11:05

It's scheduled for at least two cours, yes. I suspect if it does well it'll end up being even longer - which may or may not end up being a good thing.

Jesus Christ are you out of your damn mind. It's likely BVUSA won't even be in business next year. If Harmony Gold doesn't try to bring it over, I imagine Bandai Entertainment or Funimation will do so. Especially if the quality keeps up over the entire run - unlike the sillier aspects of Mac7, this thing would be a surefire hit with older Robotech/Mac fans. There'll be a ton of pressure for it to come over but I want a competent company to do so.

Well I am just saying it because BV seems to be the only company committed to releasing blu-ray anime. I am a strong believer in HD. I really have nothing against Bandai Visual - yeah yeah I'm a rich bastard I can afford $50 discs. Not really :p in reality I just want it to be released in HD. HD anime is so overdue.

dragonlord

2008-05-09, 11:49

For further discussion, I don't think that the current ship SMS has is a full-size SDF. It doesn't seem big enough and wasn't docked up front. They still own their own warship which is nuts, but they don't have a Macross Cannon.

not gonna question the size difference (though quarter ahahaha, 25 LOL)

anyways

the quarter does have a cannon/gun if you look at the "right wing" it isn't a carrier deck (the left is), thats their gun/cannon

and if i remember correctly "7's cannon" was essentially a large gun also

AlphaDragoon

2008-05-09, 12:00

Sounds like a good episode. Definitely an exposition to some craziness going down in the fight ahead, I just hope Ozma doesn't bite it...dude's got a pretty big death flag on him.

The Alto x Sheryl scenes are nice, as is the symbolism of keeping her earring. I really didn't like Sheryl when I first saw Episode 1...but here we are at Episode 6, and I'm all for an Alto/Sheryl ending. They have a lot of chemistry, and Sheryl really became quite likable.

CaptGloval

2008-05-09, 12:51

Anyone noticed the tabletop PC?

And how Grace went GiTS with her mobile phone implant?

krln99

2008-05-09, 13:56

Stuff that caught my eye this ep -

Another good episode. Obviously, this was a "slow" character exposition ep before a huge explosive "fight" one next.

I'm kind of Cheryl-neutral right now. Before, I hated her, but she's not so bad anymore. I really feel bad for Ranka when Alto lied to her (BTW, did anyone feel that the background music they played when that happened sounded A LOT like "Voices" from Macross Plus?! I don't think it was "note for note" the same, but it had a similar sound, and it wouldn't surprise me considering they're both scored by Yoko Kanno).

Ranka's hippo pajamas were fan service but too cute, just like the valkyrie backpack.

The Varja seemed to have turned Galaxy into a "colony," kind of like how a virus infects a cell.

I can't wait til the fireworks fly next episode!

Westlo

2008-05-09, 15:59

Sheryl still believes that Galaxy has survived and thanks the Frontier for sending help. The first reporter says that the message from Galaxy arrived days later because of Fold Dislocation. Another reporters mentions that sending help might draw the Vajra but Sheryl replies that is it okay to leave them to die? and besides Frontier has already been attacked by the Vajra. And finally Sheryl got angry at the last reporter because he mentioned about canceling the concert and concerning the fans... but he can't finish the question before Sheryl grabs the mic and asks who's to decide that, that she'll do the concert anyways and return to Galaxy.

The only thing Leon says is that he has a request for Cathy, we don't hear the whole stuff, but it's most likely something to do with her boarding the SMS Macross Quarter.

Thanks for the quick reply!

Angrypokstick

2008-05-09, 18:06

just gotta around to watch the Chinese subs . and i must say I approve of the ass-grabing Garlock captain,(much fun times ahead i see):D. And the scene with the macross quarter launching and diamond crevasse was simply beautiful. the lyric fit so well.

kari-no-sugata

2008-05-09, 18:15

Heh... I was just looking at the business card Elmo shows at the start of the ep.

His email address appears to be minmay@vectorpromotion.co.fr :)

AlphaDragoon

2008-05-09, 20:21

Side note: It's sometimes hard for me to spell Sheryl's name "Sheryl" because my mom has the same name only spelled "Cheryl". :heh:

dom33

2008-05-09, 21:22

@alphadragon I know the feeling.

wow at Ranka's hippo pajamas!

Jee two episodes and I'm ok with Sheryl X Alto, though I'm ok with Alto X Ranka too.

NoOneKnowS

2008-05-10, 02:09

Finally was able to watch the raw.

Damn that ending scene made me teary eyed. Very meaningful. Add to that the ending song w/c always gives chills every time I hear it.

@dom33. What EP of CG is that? (your avatar i mean).

ipernorris

2008-05-10, 02:19

I liked the episode and I gave it a 9 (the 10 is for the next one... :cool: ) but the final part felt a little to exaggerated IMHO. I mean it looked like Alto was going to fight the final big battle while we're only at episode 6.... :heh:
If the final part of this episode was in the episode immediately before the last one it would have been perfect, but putting something so sad and intense in episode 6 is just too much imho.

pinoy78

2008-05-10, 02:58

Has anyone tried e-mailing that Elmo?

Zekori

2008-05-10, 08:09

I mean it looked like Alto was going to fight the final big battle while we're only at episode 6....

Well from one perspective they have only been struggling to survive 1~3 of them at a time, and then they hear a friendly area has been swarmed and possibly obliterated. It's basically the first or second large scale battle I'd assume with the Vajra, and we don't know how the possibly first one ended or started (Ozma 11 years ago with Ranka)

Mgz

2008-05-10, 10:28

Yes, but it will never get past the US of A without a major lawsuit filed against Harmony Gold. Unless HG knows itself to be on the LOSING SIDE and decided to give up, or otherwise end up in a slow, and agonizing death. Although the keyword here is 'slow', meaning new Macross franchises probably won't see the light of day on this side of the shore in the near future.

- Tak

where is osama when we need him =(

awesome cinematic with the earings fading away, it shows they're connected despite the distance. I like Macross F even more than CG2 now, suzaku makes my blood boil :frustrated: and only sheryl's song can soft me up. Heaven!

I wonder if the captain is gonna ass-slapping that hotie Cathy, now that would be something to worth dying for :naughty:

Tsukiyomi

2008-05-10, 12:19

Westlo

2008-05-10, 12:20

ipernorris

2008-05-10, 14:45

This is a pretty big battle though ipernorris, everything so far has only been scouting or an advance party.. an entire swarm of Varja attacked Galaxy which is a massive step up from anything in episodes 1-4.

Yeah I agree that this is a battle and not a skirmish, but anyway it seemed the episode before the final one in the final part. I liked it and all, but I found it too intense, that's all. :)
Anyway it would be gold if the attack to Macross Galaxy was only a trap to lure Macross Frontier's forces away from the colony... :D

Jazzrat

2008-05-10, 17:10

The ending of episode 6 is the highlight of the week. But if we get this kind of ending so early, i hope it didnt raised my hope too high for an epic ending towards the end of the series.

Unfortunately animation detail took a dump this week, but the music was good (bgm near the end and Diamond Crevice)

Giving it a 7 this week.

ApostleOfGod

2008-05-10, 22:46

Impatiently awaiting to watch.

arkxkra

2008-05-11, 01:25

ipernorris

2008-05-11, 01:58

good episode, Ranka with Hippo outfit was really cute. I think she start to see Sheryl as her rival since she going out with Alto, jealous?

I love this last few minute of this episode, the full version of Diamond Crevasse :).

Next episode should be very exciting, the war is started, hopefully everyone will be safe after the war.
Do you realize that after the war = Macross Frontier's ending? The one that is coming will be one of the many battles that will come in the future.

Westlo

2008-05-11, 11:49

Gattai sub out!

yozaku

2008-05-11, 11:55

hope it is not fake like geass...

Cadorna

2008-05-11, 12:03

thanks, chihiro is the fake one in CG R2 06?

Westlo

2008-05-11, 12:07

It's not fake, I grabbed the ass and I've watched a few scenes already. The music after the Seryl Press conference reminds me of the main theme for The Pirates of the Caribbean a lot.

squaresphere

2008-05-11, 14:29

Very nice atmosphere in this ep with great usage of the music. I do agree that some of the character details looks kinda crappy this ep. but oh well, hopefully things will ratchet back up next yet ep.

I was drooling during the Macross Quater's launch. That is one pretty ship.

Westlo

2008-05-11, 14:32

Yeah it got outsourced which is why the animation/designs aren't up to the usual standard, still I don't know why lots of people on Macross World are acting like this is RahXephon 21 bad... I also expect a few scenes to be redrawn... like the Alto to Sheryl earring transition where Sheryl's eyebrows are 3 times bigger than usual.

squaresphere

2008-05-11, 14:43

in all honestly this is the 1st time that the quality drop bothered me a bit. The 1st scenes with Ranka, the agent and Ozma really grated on me. The rest of the ep i didn't notice it.

At least the CG space/battle scenes has been top notch every time.

Matrim

2008-05-11, 14:45

I am enjoying this series more and more, so much in fact that I rewatched some of the previous episodes while waiting for the sub of this one. I can't believe this forum has so much less activity than the forums of some other popular series, let's not mention names in case some fans feel offended. :)

Sheryll is rapidly gaining points as far as I am concerned, at first she annoyed me but only a few episodes later, her determination and whole personality really appeals to me. Great setup episode before the battle, magnificent music as always, I wouldn't be surprised if soemone be killed in the coming battle as the atmopshere was a bit foreboding.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-11, 15:31

Even though I rather liked the episode, I feel like complaining about it. So if you don't like complaints, don't read on.

Biggest complaint: I could really have used a fight, there. I was getting all pumped up, too. Darn this waiting!

Even though I'm not a big fan of Diamond Crevasse, I was moved. But it felt like an ending to a 2 hours movie, or maybe a series finale. I do not like the idea of Macross Frontier being over!

I don't really like Macross Quarter. I look at it and thing "Airplane carrier in space".

Why didn't Alto put Sheryl's earring inside his suit? What if he has to eject and leave it behind?

I sympathize with Alto's reluctance to see Sheryl all humble and vulnerable. Sure, it's a cute side of her, but it's not the most admirable one. But it's nice to see she's really come to think of Alto as a friend.

Question: would it have been better for Alto to not lie? Or rather, why didn't he go to meet Ranka at the mall, after parting with Sheryl?

Speaking of, on the relationship front: looks like Luca likes Nanase, and Michel likes Ranka.

To end on a good note: I liked Sheryl's magic cloth. I wonder if we'll have clothes like that in my lifetime.

I also liked the suggestion of singing at the Vajra. Sure, it sounds completely absurd, but with the Macros-verse, it actually makes a lot of sense. "Attention, alien aggressors. I have a loaded teen idol, and I'm not afraid to use it!"

Errantkael

2008-05-11, 16:00

Good episode!

The music at the end really helped to make it eventful. I'm looking to the next episode so much i could explode :heh:

The super strained "take care of my little sister" made me crack up. The look on Ranka's face! :p

I don't really like Macross Quarter. I look at it and think "Airplane carrier in space".

Yeah i didn't understand that either... how do they get Valkyries without being shot at in a combat situation?

squaresphere

2008-05-11, 16:45

heh the macross class ships are plenty powerful. For the recorded they've always been a combination of carrier and battleship.

FlareKnight

2008-05-11, 16:52

Well have gone along to strengthen the AltoxSheryl and cause a few issues with Ranka. Obviously what she saw and then the lie would really bother her. Not the best place to leave things off when he's being launched into a combat situation next episode. Well sure there will be ups and downs with both girls along the way. Not sure how these things will impact on Ranka's singing with Alto being a source of strength for her.

With all the not letting anyone die talk you know someone's going to go down. Or at least come out of it injured. Should be a great episode though.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-11, 16:55

cerrian

2008-05-11, 16:56

See that table Alto & gang were sitting at celebrating Ranka's signing? Need to get one of those tables for myself.

Zekori

2008-05-11, 17:14

Yeah. That damn Ozma is totally jinxing his squad, here.

OTOH, Alto's insured his own safety. (Not that he needs it, being the male lead.) I'm not talking about Sheryl's lucky charm. I'm talking about his lie to Ranka. No way is he dying before being confronted by her about it.

to be honest, he sorta had a good reason not too. While Ranka and Mikhail/Micheal know about Sheryl, I'm assuming the other two don't. Besides at a public place going "Yeah, I was cruising town with so-and-so idol" would only bring further problems, and I'm sure given the Alto's personality he would have avoided any further issues generated from answering.

See that table Alto & gang were sitting at celebrating Ranka's signing? Need to get one of those tables for myself.

Ditto, I think I could tap that table for about a month before getting bored.

Ashlotte

2008-05-11, 17:31

See that table Alto & gang were sitting at celebrating Ranka's signing? Need to get one of those tables for myself.

Heh yea perfect piece of furniture to have some low key fun with.

And damn this episode...I was supposed to be a Ranka fan, but the consecutive Sherly episodes coupled with the earring are seriously devastating my resolve...bah. :heh:

Still was a really great set-up episode...Waiting for the next ones gonna be painful...

Anh_Minh

2008-05-11, 17:31

He could have said he was sightseeing with a friend.

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 17:53

Zekori

2008-05-11, 18:28

They're really massaging Ranka's character more than they are Sheryl's. That's what I think. I think this episode proves it, along with adding in the earring thing.

Well,

From my perspective, I found similarities from the original series* with the love triangle and then now similarities with Zero, I won't mention plus or seven since that was sorta different.

Ranka reminds me a lot of Mao Nome, especially hugging onto Alto and looking towards his advice much like Mao as intrigued by Shin Kudo's knowledge and experience which often led to her being rebellious of her sister Sara and the traditions of the islands.

So the love triangle reminds me more so of the Shin, Mao, and Sara one from Zero more fleshed out, to me anyways at this point.

ickem

2008-05-11, 18:52

And need I remind the reason he went to the mall in the first place was because he spotted Ranka getting on the train?

I'm not entirely convinced this is the case. Although he does notice Ranka and Michel getting on the train, it may just be that he wanted to show her Island 3 because Sheryl was so excited by the fact that Frontier had so many natural elements unlike Galaxy.

She shouldn't have take any questions. She should have left it at thanks, maybe make a statement along the lines of only having eachother to depend upon while traveling through space, and that if it was the other way around, Galaxy would have come to Frontier's aid. She didn't need to act indignant and to declare her intention of committing an empty gesture of solidarity.

Well, singers have a much more important role in the Macross universe than we have in real life so I think it is expected of her to have dialog with the press about important events. I don't think she was declaring her intention of continuing with the convert as an empty gesture of solidarity, but to emphasize the fact that she was a professional. She wasn't going to let even an event such as the likely destruction of homeland deter her from doing her job. This is similar to when she wanted to continue with the concert during even with the evacuation order in the first episode.

I think the earring thing was resolved too quickly. Sure, it was inserted in after the pilot episode to give Sheryl a reason to stalk Alto, but it ended up feeling forced, especially when Alto hanged the earring up in his cockpit. That seemed out of character of him, doubly so when he was smiling at the darn thing.

And her admitting to being alone on Galaxy and hating the place, I think that's the sort of thing you admit after you know for sure the place has been trashed. When you have a real reason to cry. Like "I'd always hated living there, but now that it's gone..." That kind of deal.

I don't agree that the earing plot was resolved that quickly. I lasted 6 episodes after all. The earing in the cockpit thing seem very genuine to me since Sheryl was the catalyst for Alto actually becoming a pilot. Her speech about fate and opportunity in the shelter episode was the driving force for him to grab at his destiny. Before that he seemed to just mope around a lot and think about how he would like to fly, but, as he says near the end of episode 4, he saw his chance and he seized it.

As for Sheryl's depression when Alto brought the earing, again I felt it was very real. She may have put on a brave front about believing the Galaxy was still around in front of the press, but I think that she was almost certain that Galaxy was gone. The only reason that she reveals that stuff to Alto is because he is the only one that doesn't treat her as "Sheryl" in the least. Grace, who is probably the person she's closest to, still likely thinks of her as "Sheryl" even when they are alone. There's also the parallel with Alto hating Frontier. It may be that she wanted to point out that even though he hates Frontier, he would be hurt of it were destroyed.

I may be showing my Sheryl bias here, but I can't help it since she's such an awesome character. :D

Haesslich

2008-05-11, 19:12

One note - Monica seems to hate the pretty boys (Alto), but doesn't mind the older, bearded guys to judge by how she blushed at the pat... as Ram Hoa pointed out when Mina Roshan commented on it.

Interesting how things are shaping up - even if they're starting to recycle footage again (the launch sequence for the NUNS) to save money. The concert, despite its animation values, went well... just as the first one did in Deculture.

That, and I find it nostalgic that a brown-haired woman who behaves in ways that later generations of otaku would call tsundere is ordering fighters to launch stations. :D

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 19:19

I'm not entirely convinced this is the case. Although he does notice Ranka and Michel getting on the train, it may just be that he wanted to show her Island 3 because Sheryl was so excited by the fact that Frontier had so many natural elements unlike Galaxy.

I say two birds with one stone. I seriously doubt he would have taken her to see a farm if he hadn't noticed Ranka getting on that train. Remember, she was the one leading him around until that point. Though I feel as if I should watch the episode again. It was better than this week's at least.

Well, singers have a much more important role in the Macross universe than we have in real life so I think it is expected of her to have dialog with the press about important events. I don't think she was declaring her intention of continuing with the convert as an empty gesture of solidarity, but to emphasize the fact that she was a professional. She wasn't going to let even an event such as the likely destruction of homeland deter her from doing her job. This is similar to when she wanted to continue with the concert during even with the evacuation order in the first episode.

I meant her intention of going into a war zone. That's just a stupid and useless thing to say.

And I don't think singers in Macross have a more important role compared to ours. Simply that they are more influentional. Basically same job, more effective, but still just a celebritity when you get right down to it. And I really appreciated it when Leon doubted that singing would help at all against the Vajra. That gives me hope it'll be fighting and dying that wins the day.

I don't agree that the earing plot was resolved that quickly. I lasted 6 episodes after all. The earing in the cockpit thing seem very genuine to me since Sheryl was the catalyst for Alto actually becoming a pilot. Her speech about fate and opportunity in the shelter episode was the driving force for him to grab at his destiny. Before that he seemed to just mope around a lot and think about how he would like to fly, but, as he says near the end of episode 4, he saw his chance and he seized it.

Sheryl's speech was bupkiss compared to everything else that was influencing him, which were a man being killed in front him, what happened to Ranka who was a life he personally saved by actually piloting, Ozma giving him a personal tour of the SOS, and Alto's old man dressing him up like a girl his whole life. It's flattery to say one little fate speech from even a charamastic individual like Sheryl was the biggest influence on him, despite whatever he might have said.

As for Sheryl's depression when Alto brought the earing, again I felt it was very real. She may have put on a brave front about believing the Galaxy was still around in front of the press, but I think that she was almost certain that Galaxy was gone. The only reason that she reveals that stuff to Alto is because he is the only one that doesn't treat her as "Sheryl" in the least. Grace, who is probably the person she's closest to, still likely thinks of her as "Sheryl" even when they are alone. There's also the parallel with Alto hating Frontier. It may be that she wanted to point out that even though he hates Frontier, he would be hurt of it were destroyed.

Was she being vunerable or was she putting up a brave front? Alto at least had ambition for why he didn't like Frontier. Sheryl hated Galaxy for being a lonely dump. Makes her words about returning there seem all the more hollow.

I may be showing my Sheryl bias here, but I can't help it since she's such an awesome character. :D

Yeah, she's great when she's being an artist or leading Alto around. I think she matters more to Ranka than to Alto though. At least she did, but now as Nanase said it's time to overthrow the Goddess!

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-11, 19:32

And I don't think singers in Macross have a more important role compared to ours. Simply that they are more influentional. Basically same job, more effective, but still just a celebritity when you get right down to it. And I really appreciated it when Leon doubted that singing would help at all against the Vajra. That gives me hope it'll be fighting and dying that wins the day.

This is Macross, where weapons of mass destruction are either started or stopped by song.

That said the Frontier government has doubts pretty much like UN Spacy did with rogue Zentradi.

They did not have charismatic singing personalities like Lynn Minmei or Nekki Basara. (It's what they think.)

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 20:25

This is Macross, where weapons of mass destruction are either started or stopped by song.

That said the Frontier government has doubts pretty much like UN Spacy did with rogue Zentradi.

They did not have charismatic singing personalities like Lynn Minmei or Nekki Basara. (It's what they think.)

So basically everyone in the Macross Universe is an Idol-worshipper that thinks all policy decisions should be ran by whatever diva that happens to be hot that particular month? Does everyone seriously think what they believe or say matters?

Sheryl wasn't at all professional. A true professional would have known her place, said her piece, and gotten back to shake, shake, shakin' it.

Cadorna

2008-05-11, 20:34

Sheryl is more woman than five ranka ^

squaresphere

2008-05-11, 20:34

... I think Sheryl is more of an artist rather than just a pro singer. Though not to the extent of a Basara. He would have flown into the combat zone singing :D

kk2extreme

2008-05-11, 20:37

i almost cry toward the end when the concert started while they are deploying for battle.

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 20:39

Sheryl is more woman than five ranka ^

Too bad her character developement rating is below par, and that's what really matters when you get right down to it.

Zekori

2008-05-11, 20:53

Too bad her character developement rating is below par, and that's what really matters when you get right down to it.

Heh, I don't really care who ends up with who as long as its interesting. But curious, what makes you say that?

Matrim

2008-05-11, 20:54

Sheryl wasn't at all professional. A true professional would have known her place, said her piece, and gotten back to shake, shake, shakin' it.

I wonder if you would behave like "a true professional" if you had just learned your country was under attack.

Too bad her character developement rating is below par, and that's what really matters when you get right down to it.

Maybe but only if you considered Ranka's amnesia thrilling character development which I for one don't.

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 21:17

I wonder if you would behave like "a true professional" if you had just learned your country was under attack.

I already mentioned what she should have done. No questions, just a personal thank you, all in it together, and then good night.

Maybe but only if you considered Ranka's amnesia thrilling character development which I for one don't.

It's better than that stupid cellphone gag.

cerrian

2008-05-11, 21:23

I meant her intention of going into a war zone. That's just a stupid and useless thing to say.

And I don't think singers in Macross have a more important role compared to ours. Simply that they are more influentional. Basically same job, more effective, but still just a celebritity when you get right down to it. And I really appreciated it when Leon doubted that singing would help at all against the Vajra. That gives me hope it'll be fighting and dying that wins the day.

I think you mis-analyzed that interview. It was my understanding that not only was Sheryl declaring that she'll perform her concert, contrary to general assumption that she would cancel it, but also that she believes Frontier's rescue mission will be successful and that Galaxy will be safe to return to. Nothing in that interview indicated her intentions to put herself at risk by defying the military and traveling to Galaxy while it was a hostile area (good luck at finding a pilot willing to shuttle her in that situation).

You got to remember the scene with Leon and Cathy, the whole interview was a PR move by Frontier's government to build confidence and calm the fears of the general populace + military. As for her insistence to continue with the concert, that's just another point reinforcing the professionalism her character has displayed throughout the series.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-11, 21:23

Did anybody caught the implication that the Vajra are from the Protoculture.

All protoculture derived cultures use space folding. (Well except space whales.:p)

Zekori

2008-05-11, 21:30

It's better than that stupid cellphone gag.

Like the constant cellphone being crushed and making noise? :heh:

Haesslich

2008-05-11, 21:31

So basically everyone in the Macross Universe is an Idol-worshipper that thinks all policy decisions should be ran by whatever diva that happens to be hot that particular month? Does everyone seriously think what they believe or say matters?

Sheryl wasn't at all professional. A true professional would have known her place, said her piece, and gotten back to shake, shake, shakin' it.

Sheryl's an idol and a singer... and given this is a universe where a singer saved everyone's asses by introducing the Zentradi to culture, idol singers have some influence, if only on the level of popular cultural icon rather than as a major political mover-and-shaker. Basically, people will listen to her ideas and thrill to her performances, but won't be rushing into gunfire for her. Still, given that she's from the Macross Galaxy, and everyone knows that, they'd naturally be asking her questions about it - like people ask questions of famous people like the Dalai Lama about how he feels about Chinese control of Tibet.

And she's a professional in that she kept singing, even while her home fleet was being massacred - the fact that she made her opinion clear (remember, they DID ask about her opinion regarding whether Frontier should ignore Galaxy's plea for help) doesn't mean she's less professional - just that she's not politically-minded. You can be a professional and a person too - that's why she spent a day just pulling Alto around, making him a tour guide.

Remember that she didn't immediately blurt out that Frontier should help Galaxy and that he was an idiot for thinking they'd ignore Frontier after that attack... but that the question was posed to her first. On top of which, humans and their allied Zentradi are alone out there - if fleets won't help one another, then who will? It's not like the Vajra were ignoring Frontier ANYWAYS, and it's likely they'll attack Frontier, whether or not they send help to Galaxy or not. What the Frontier DOES stand to gain from this is data on the Vajra before they too get attacked; it would help to know what sort of tactics the Vajra use in large fleets before they arrive, so you can have some countermeasures or strategies and tactics prepared to deal with them.

ani_d

2008-05-11, 21:34

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 21:48

I think you mis-analyzed that interview. It was my understanding that not only was Sheryl declaring that she'll perform her concert, contrary to general assumption that she would cancel it, but also that she believes Frontier's rescue mission will be successful and that Galaxy will be safe to return to. Nothing in that interview indicated her intentions to put herself at risk by defying the military and traveling to Galaxy while it was a hostile area (good luck at finding a pilot willing to shuttle her in that situation).

You got to remember the scene with Leon and Cathy, the whole interview was a PR move by Frontier's government to build confidence and calm the fears of the general populace + military. As for her insistence to continue with the concert, that's just another point reinforcing the professionalism her character has displayed throughout the series.

She rather boldy stated she would return to Galaxy after her concert. I'm convinced she meant that literally, at least at the time she said it. Whether someone will talk her out of it or stop her outright is unknown.

Then again, maybe what she says doesn't matter. As long as she's got that confidence and that attitude, people will feel better.

Alto did have that dishonest look on his face when he lied to Ranka, but he certainly didn't do it on purpose. Atleast to me, he didn't. He probably felt the need to lie because he didn't think it was a big deal or anything. Sheryl and her earrings have nothing to do with Ranka, afterall lol I also don't think he would be that open to say he followed her and Michael to the mall. That little lying scene to me just shows how dense Alto is when it comes to Ranka. Not that it's a bad thing. :) Even if it was mean, I think it's consistent with his character.

It was the most consistent he'd been the whole episode.

lol "darn thing". While I also think it's too fast that Alto would show fondness over Sheryl's earrings, I don't think it's too ridiculous. Can you say, "It started with a kiss?" :heh:

He saw her boobs. Who cares about a kiss on the cheek?

All I see right now is Sheryl's character development, and so far, it's been going great. I hope you are right though. I want to see Ranka snap out of her dependency.

What I meant was they're putting more care into Ranka's developement. Into her scenes. She has more of them than Sheryl, and she didn't recieve a stupid tacked on gimmick like an earring just so she could meet Alto, and have a reason to stalk him.

Up until this episode, Sheryl scenes were all about how awesome Sheryl is, and the moment she's not awesome, she falls flat.

Sinestra

2008-05-11, 21:52

Not too bad of an episode looks like next week its not a skirmish but an actual battle which is what i have been waiting for. Ranka getting scouted was no surprise but her luck is far from great she gets scouted then her brother and her friends head to the front. Sheryl put a pretty brave front but thats to be expected from a performer. I liked her conversation with Alto just before he departed and im sure no one was surprised that she asked Alto to keep one earing. I really like these 2together even though i love Ranka too, my attention is just on Sheryl at the moment.

Anyone else notice that badass shot of a Goliath in next weeks preview? If you missed here it is god i love those walking tanks.
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5319/vlcsnap171280ei9.th.png (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap171280ei9.png)

Haesslich

2008-05-11, 21:58

She rather boldy stated she would return to Galaxy after her concert. I'm convinced she meant that literally, at least at the time she said it. Whether someone will talk her out of it or stop her outright is unknown.

Then again, maybe what she says doesn't matter. As long as she's got that confidence and that attitude, people will feel better.

She said she'd return to Galaxy after the concert, in order to show she believed that they would win and beat the Bugs. The question is 'when' since she merely said after the concert... and if the Galaxy's dead (read: Zerged by the bugs into a hiveship, assimilated into a cube, turned into a space hulk, or otherwise rendered unfit for human occupancy), she may not to get to go back after all.

Morale is half the battle, and given the low morale of the NUNS, making heartening statements like this is being professional, as much as (now famous) ones like "I shall return" or "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." Remember, her job is to INSPIRE people as well as entertain. On that front, she's done a bang-up job on Ranka and Alto. They may have gone on to try what they wanted to do anyways, but she did give each a little push with kind words (more Ranka than Alto).

What I find more interesting is that Ozma was warning Ranka to stop singing if things get weird - does he know of some connection to the Vajra and her voice that everyone else doesn't? Or is he telling her to get to safety instead of trying to be Minmay should the Vajra attack again? Well, that and having Bobby immediately cringe at Ozma's statement and his quick retreat - it seems he's quite genre savvy and knows that was a jinx.

Anyone else notice that badass shot of a Goliath in next weeks preview? If you missed here it is god i love those walking tanks.

That's Canaria's VB-6 Konig Monster, as far as I can tell.

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 22:05

She said she'd return to Galaxy after the concert, in order to show she believed that they would win and beat the Bugs.

She said no such thing. It was concert then straight to the colony. She never once mentioned victory or winning any fights. In that interview at least, victory goddess she was not. In fact, she basically said being concerned for their own safety was a cowardly way of thinking.

Morale is half the battle, and given the low morale of the NUNS, making heartening statements like this is being professional, as much as (now famous) ones like "I shall return" or "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." Remember, her job is to INSPIRE people as well as entertain. On that front, she's done a bang-up job on Ranka and Alto. They may have gone on to try what they wanted to do anyways, but she did give each a little push with kind words (more Ranka than Alto).

She's good on a personal basis, but she won't be winning any Inspirational Speaker of the Year awards.

That's Canaria's VB-6 Konig Monster, as far as I can tell.

Why does the medic have an artillery rig? Is she supposed to save injured pilots using that?

ickem

2008-05-11, 22:15

So basically everyone in the Macross Universe is an Idol-worshipper that thinks all policy decisions should be ran by whatever diva that happens to be hot that particular month? Does everyone seriously think what they believe or say matters?

Sheryl wasn't at all professional. A true professional would have known her place, said her piece, and gotten back to shake, shake, shakin' it.

She knows her place quite well, as was shown in the first episode when she realized she could do nothing for her fans and her best move was to be evacuated by her security. But this instance was different, the place where she was born and grew up was at stake and there were probably many people who wished to do as she said, "Are you are trying to say this, "We should hide under our beds, hold our breaths, and hope that the Vajura will miss us while we watch Galaxy get destroyed"? Since the reporter actually voiced the question, it is doubtless that a significant portion of the Frontier population felt that way. Macross is a world where people likely take the words of idols/singers as seriously as those of their political leaders and her voice carries great weight. Thus she felt that she could help both Galaxy and Frontier by preempting any notion of trying to hide from the Vajura.

Too bad her character developement rating is below par, and that's what really matters when you get right down to it.

The problem that I see with that statement is that Sheryl's had more character development than any other character with perhaps the exception of Alto. These past few episodes were used to move opinion of Sheryl from the unlikable character of the first episode to a place where we can empathize with her thoughts and actions. All the development we've seen of Ranka is that she isn't Ozma's real sister and that she has some sort of relationship with the Vajura. And the development that she has had with regards to her dream to be a singer is due to having met Alto and Sheryl.

She rather boldy stated she would return to Galaxy after her concert. I'm convinced she meant that literally, at least at the time she said it. Whether someone will talk her out of it or stop her outright is unknown.

Then again, maybe what she says doesn't matter. As long as she's got that confidence and that attitude, people will feel better.

Did you really believe that she meant that she was going to go back immediately? If you really did, then I'm not sure how to convince you otherwise, but I saw it as her saying that she believed that Galaxy would survive so that she *would* be able to return to Galaxy eventually.

ickem

2008-05-11, 22:18

Why does the medic have an artillery rig? Is she supposed to save injured pilots using that?

Since the medic is so important, she has to remain safe. Plus she has to be able to get to the wreckage of any unit that needs help and get them back safely. There's also the fact the unit if pretty small and she likely provides backup whenever it is needed ala when she said she could go help and help Ozma if she got the launch clearance a few episodes ago.

Haesslich

2008-05-11, 22:25

She said no such thing. It was concert then straight to the colony. She never once mentioned victory or winning any fights. In that interview at least, victory goddess she was not. In fact, she basically said being concerned for their own safety was a cowardly way of thinking.

I just rewatched the speech - she said she'd be going back to Galaxy after the concert was done. That comment came right after someone asked if they should even be bothering to rescue Galaxy, since by doing so they might provoke a retaliatory attack... and everyone assumed she was cancelling the concert. She didn't say 'right away', but that she would return to Galaxy - timeframe not specified.

Besides, if she said 'I will return to the Galaxy once we're sure it's clear' would've been cowardly - this way, she played the 'we will win' assumption that the Frontier government wants to give the citizens, instead of having everyone assume they're about to lose forces for no purpose and that they're doomed because the Vajra have shown up.

She's good on a personal basis, but she won't be winning any Inspirational Speaker of the Year awards.

Since when does she have to be winning those? Even Minmay, the vaunted idol of the First Space War, wasn't exactly the world's best inspirational speaker. What she DID do was inspire those around her with her (at times naive) belief that things WOULD go well, as long as everyone did their part, IIRC. But if she looks like she believes, then that's enough to bump morale up and keep everyone from panicking because they believe that they're doomed. That's her job - to make people feel good about things, as well as to give them something to look up to/at.

Why does the medic have an artillery rig? Is she supposed to save injured pilots using that?

No clue. I guess they they couldn't figure out who else should be piloting the artillery unit, and this way she's out of the (direct) line of fire most of the time. But she does show up in the OP with it, so it isn't a surprise. Of course, this is the universe which had a captain abandon his post to jump into a fighter and kick Protodevlin ass (Max Jenius), gave another idol singer his own customized front-line fighter (VF-19) with which he thrashed the Protodevlin with the power of his passion, and introduced us to the Birdman.

Cadorna

2008-05-11, 22:31

No clue. I guess they they couldn't figure out who else should be piloting the artillery unit, and this way she's out of the (direct) line of fire most of the time. But she does show up in the OP with it, so it isn't a surprise. Of course, this is the universe which had a captain abandon his post to jump into a fighter and kick Protodevlin ass (Max Jenius), gave another idol singer his own customized front-line fighter (VF-19) with which he thrashed the Protodevlin with the power of his passion, and introduced us to the Birdman.

Well i don 't expect the same happend here, this series has a more classic macross style

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 22:46

She knows her place quite well, as was shown in the first episode when she realized she could do nothing for her fans and her best move was to be evacuated by her security.

I think this scene was intended to hold significance but got overwritten by the Darn Earring subplot. Obviously there'd been some revisions since December of last year, and I think Sheryl's character had more than her fair share of them.

Macross is a world where people likely take the words of idols/singers as seriously as those of their political leaders and her voice carries great weight. Thus she felt that she could help both Galaxy and Frontier by preempting any notion of trying to hide from the Vajura.

I think it's stupid to give a whit about what a celebrity thinks simply because they're a celebrity. I'll just leave it at that.

The problem that I see with that statement is that Sheryl's had more character development than any other character with perhaps the exception of Alto. These past few episodes were used to move opinion of Sheryl from the unlikable character of the first episode to a place where we can empathize with her thoughts and actions. All the development we've seen of Ranka is that she isn't Ozma's real sister and that she has some sort of relationship with the Vajura. And the development that she has had with regards to her dream to be a singer is due to having met Alto and Sheryl.

Correction. I think people made assumptions about her character and were proved wrong (I know that was the case with me, but then we only had the first episode for months and months and that was changed). Sheryl's been characterized and played a role in the developement of others, but mostly Ranka. Her Darn Earring subplot was tacked on so she had a good excuse to go out looking for Alto and that finally ended this episode with the only developement we have to show for it is that she's an orphan who never knew her mother (hints at a mysterious origin?).

She's a great personality, but don't mistake impression for developement, and most definiently don't allow Sheryl to steal scenes from the characters they're meant for.

Did you really believe that she meant that she was going to go back immediately? If you really did, then I'm not sure how to convince you otherwise, but I saw it as her saying that she believed that Galaxy would survive so that she *would* be able to return to Galaxy eventually.

*Sheryl angrily takes the mic from the reporter and grabs the camera*

"I'll perform then I'll...I'll return to Galaxy!"

What am I supposed to think? With that attitude? With that temperment?

Boduar

2008-05-11, 22:47

Am I the only one who is getting Ozma is going to die vibes after watching this episode?

Haesslich

2008-05-11, 22:52

Am I the only one who is getting Ozma is going to die vibes after watching this episode?

I hope not. Let's check off all the things that he's done wrong so far:

He's Skull Leader
He's a survivor of a previous Vajra attack, as a combatant.
He has a little sister character to traumatize with his death.
He has had a relationship with a Bridge Bunny (Lt. Glass). And it feels like a Claudia LaSalle/Roy Focker relationship.
He made Ranka a promise.
He jinxed his squad with his promise. Look at Bobby's wince.
He said he couldn't be overprotective forever (aka: he won't be around forever).

About the ONLY thing he hasn't done is ordered pineapple salad yet. Now if Cathy mentions it in passing, then we'll know he'll be dead an episode or two later.

Wesley84

2008-05-11, 22:53

Am I the only one who is getting Ozma is going to die vibes after watching this episode?

Nah, his one-sided phone conversation pretty much guaranteed the lives of everyone for the next few episodes at least. "I'll defininently make sure everyone comes back!" A line so Shonen there's no way it could backfire on him.

Cadorna

2008-05-11, 22:56

Nah, his one-sided phone conversation pretty much guaranteed the lives of everyone for the next few episodes at least. "I'll defininently make sure everyone comes back!" A line so Shonen there's no way it could backfire on him.

This is Macross, not a shonen, i think he is pretty f*** up (next ep or the 9)

Sinestra

2008-05-11, 23:04

That's Canaria's VB-6 Konig Monster, as far as I can tell.

Hum i will he to look into that either way i hope we see some pretty heavy artillery in the next episode even though im sure most of the fighting will be seen from the pilots prospective.

stormy001_M1A2

2008-05-11, 23:16

Was it me or the animation quality dropped a lot for this ep?

cerrian

2008-05-11, 23:35

Was it me or the animation quality dropped a lot for this ep?

The CG and backgrounds are just as gorgeous as it has been throughout the series, but the character drawings, motion, and general details have been taking a hit these last 2 episodes. Every time I watch Sheryl's Diamond Crevasse sequence, I can't help but flinch at how badly she was drawn and animated. The background, reverse snow effects, lighting, and earring were pretty damn nice to the eyes....but her face, hair, arms and fingers are horrible animated. What a waste.

On another note, someone mentioned that they were recycling footage when the recon VFs launched from the carrier. It appears he was partially correct. It's the same background, camera movement, and effects as seen from ep 1. The difference lies in the VF model they used for this scene. It's like the production team simply reused the launch sequence but swaped out the VF CGs for the recon VFs. Let's hope the production team doesn't rely on this little trick too often.

kuyaaids

2008-05-11, 23:46

See that table Alto & gang were sitting at celebrating Ranka's signing? Need to get one of those tables for myself.

Hehehe wait for Microsoft Surface to show up at a Hotel near you (I've played with it when I made a visit to Microsoft a month ago). Awesome piece of errr table

Westlo

2008-05-11, 23:47

Wesley84 how is Sheryl's earring plot tacked on when it's been in the 5 month old (and that's ignoring all the prep time before it started to get published) Frontier manga from the start? Don't act like they came up with this idea in February... just because it wasn't in Deculture...

Well,

From my perspective, I found similarities from the original series* with the love triangle and then now similarities with Zero, I won't mention plus or seven since that was sorta different.

Ranka reminds me a lot of Mao Nome, especially hugging onto Alto and looking towards his advice much like Mao as intrigued by Shin Kudo's knowledge and experience which often led to her being rebellious of her sister Sara and the traditions of the islands.

So the love triangle reminds me more so of the Shin, Mao, and Sara one from Zero more fleshed out, to me anyways at this point.

Interesting that you say that, you'll see why later ;)

Mandoric

2008-05-12, 02:09

Was it me or the animation quality dropped a lot for this ep?

Tweening was outsourced to the Phillipines this time.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-12, 03:02

Why did Alto lie? Because he was at the mall with Sheryl. THE Sheryl. Bad enough Michael was hazing him about it, he didn't want to compound the misunderstandings further with Ranka. He wanted to spare himself the grief of being in a celebrity's shadow.
And as I said, he didn't have to say he was with Sheryl.

And need I remind the reason he went to the mall in the first place was because he spotted Ranka getting on the train?
So? It's likely he lied because he's afraid of there being a misunderstanding between him and Ranka, but that strategy backfired, as he should have known it could. After all, Ranka and Michel were together, and Michel saw him. Why not Ranka?

I thought the interview with Sheryl was pretty typical of what you'd get out of any celebrity's interview. The reporters asked her some dumb questions, questions that would have been better asked of a politician or someone knowledgeable, not a celebrity who had a personal attachment to the current crisis. And she answered them like you'd expect a celebrity to answer; inconsiderately.

She shouldn't have take any questions. She should have left it at thanks, maybe make a statement along the lines of only having eachother to depend upon while traveling through space, and that if it was the other way around, Galaxy would have come to Frontier's aid. She didn't need to act indignant and to declare her intention of committing an empty gesture of solidarity.

Only in the most totalitarian states do we get spokespeople going "This is how it's going to be. No questions." (Well, not quite. In the most totalitarian states, there's no need to inform anyone of anything.) She called a press conference, she had to take questions.

And as a star, boosting people's morale, stiffening their spines is well within her purview. She didn't make the decision, she supported it. It's normal she'd make sure people around her did too. It's the same as posting on the internet about which candidate you prefer... except she's doing in on TV. Because she's a star.

You said it was stupid to listen to a singer's word as if they mattered. You're right. But it's also stupid to believe people aren't stupid. And to not make use of it. Stupid or not, people do listen to entertainers and athletes. Throwing away such a propaganda tool would be daft.

About her returning to Galaxy: what I think she meant is, she's going to do her concert, as planned. In the meantime, Frontier's forces are going to kick the invader off her home, and she'll be able to return soon after in relative safety. She didn't mean she'd smuggle herself to a warzone. It's just another example of morale boosting. And professionalism.

I think the earring thing was resolved too quickly. Sure, it was inserted in after the pilot episode to give Sheryl a reason to stalk Alto, but it ended up feeling forced, especially when Alto hanged the earring up in his cockpit. That seemed out of character of him, doubly so when he was smiling at the darn thing.
I think it means they've come to see each other as friends. It is rather fast (but, if you think about it, no faster than the development of Ranka's and Alto's relationship. Ranka's got what, one more hour of acquaintance?)

They just clicked. It's not necessarily better than what he has with Ranka, but it's more equal. Whereas Ranka is someone to be protected and comforted, Sheryl is someone he can talk to. And he is someone Sheryl can talk to as a person rather than a star, which apparently is pretty rare.

And her admitting to being alone on Galaxy and hating the place, I think that's the sort of thing you admit after you know for sure the place has been trashed. When you have a real reason to cry. Like "I'd always hated living there, but now that it's gone..." That kind of deal.
She was admitting her fear it was lost. Sure, she couldn't do that on TV. But, as I said - friends. And what she said was growing up there, alone, was horrible. But we're not really sure what she felt about it after becoming The Sheryl Nome(tm). And more importantly, it was still her home. She was explaining to Alto that old saying "You never know what you have until you've lost it". Or, in this case, "possibly lost it". And it's not like it's completely useless, because Alto's in a similar situation regarding his home. He also doesn't like it, and it's also threatened by the Vajra. Though the threat is somewhat less immediate, of course.

They're really massaging Ranka's character more than they are Sheryl's. That's what I think. I think this episode proves it, along with adding in the earring thing.

The earring thing is really about Sheryl, not Ranka. It shows off her bond with Alto. (And it's really not resolved, since it's still in Alto's possession.)

But hey, it's normal. To have a good love triangle, all sides have to be developed. First few episodes were for Ranka, then Sheryl. I guess it'll be Ranka's turn again soon.

Westlo

2008-05-12, 03:15

To go back to the Sheryl date thing in regards to following Ranka/Michael... it was Sheryl who lead Alto onto the train when they run away from onlookers who noticed who she was... Alto took her to a farm to show it off since Sheryl was in awe of Frontier's scenery. It was Sheryl's idea to go to the Zentradi mall after the farm not Alto's and it wasn't like Alto was franticly looking for Ranka and Michael when he was with her.

And as a star, boosting people's morale, stiffening their spines is well within her purview. She didn't make the decision, she supported it. It's normal she'd make sure people around her did too. It's the same as posting on the internet about which candidate you prefer... except she's doing in on TV. Because she's a star.

You said it was stupid to listen to a singer's word as if they mattered. You're right. But it's also stupid to believe people aren't stupid. And to not make use of it. Stupid or not, people do listen to entertainers and athletes. Throwing away such a propaganda tool would be daft.

About her returning to Galaxy: what I think she meant is, she's going to do her concert, as planned. In the meantime, Frontier's forces are going to kick the invader off her home, and she'll be able to return soon after in relative safety. She didn't mean she'd smuggle herself to a warzone. It's just another example of morale boosting. And professionalism.

Yeah she was just used as a talking head... Leon made that clear in his talk to Cathy. It was a morale booster type talk...

FLCL

2008-05-12, 03:31

i gave it a 9/10

with the plot asside, the beautiful visuals and little details make it hard for m to personally notice some of the flaws in the animation. This show is turning out just as i wanted it too. NOW FOR A NEKI BASARA CAMEO

SuperKnuckles

2008-05-12, 06:04

Some say it's 'stupidity' to listen to athletes and celebrities, but we do that on a daily basis so what difference does that make? Also, I don't think it's entirely stupid of us as a population to do so. These kinds of trends, for better or worse, reflect how they resonate with our culture. I mean, sure it sounds cool to say that you are not influenced by mere sports/celebs, but let's not kid ourselves.

Also, FINALLY WE HEAR THE ORCHESTRAL OVERTURES. FINALLY.

PS- Speaking of the warp problems apparent in Macross Universe, I think the episode's OP made it pretty clear why: The fold disturbances. Hence it can't exactly 'insta-warp' like with Star Wars or go on continuous trek barring engine power like in Star Trek.

herbert

2008-05-12, 06:10

Ranka is dynamic character while Sheryl is more of a round character. Ranka has changed a lot, while Sheryl just shows the depth of her personality, she is quite static until this moment in character progression.

What I find more interesting is that Ozma was warning Ranka to stop singing if things get weird - does he know of some connection to the Vajra and her voice that everyone else doesn't? Or is he telling her to get to safety instead of trying to be Minmay should the Vajra attack again? Well, that and having Bobby immediately cringe at Ozma's statement and his quick retreat - it seems he's quite genre savvy and knows that was a jinx.

I think you get his words wrong. What he says is that Ranka is 16 already, and one more year she will be an adult so he can't forever take care of her like a baby. Having said that, he quickly adds that this, however, doesn't mean Ranka is allowed to do any kind of weird thing or he will call a halt to Ranka's singing career.

And as I said, he didn't have to say he was with Sheryl.

That is quite simple, Ranka just digs a hole for herself. She doesn't understand Alto wants to end that topic as soon as possible. What would be a quicker way to end it than simply answering YES to Ranka's badly worded question?

Ardi220288

2008-05-12, 06:50

Anh_Minh

2008-05-12, 06:52

Ranka is dynamic character while Sheryl is more of a round character. Ranka has changed a lot, while Sheryl just shows the depth of her personality, she is quite static until this moment in character progression.

Yes. That's because Ranka's becoming an adult, deciding on what she wants to do with her life and stuff. Sheryl's already there.

I think you get his words wrong. What he says is that Ranka is 16 already, and one more year she will be an adult so he can't forever take care of her like a baby. Having said that, he quickly adds that this, however, doesn't mean Ranka is allowed to do any kind of weird thing or he will call a halt to Ranka's singing career.

Yeah. I think he's more worried about sex and drugs and other show biz vices than about secret government projects.

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 06:59

nice episode I especially like the song toward the end.

the triangle relationship keeps getting hotter this time. I feel bad for Ranka but at the same time I'm rooting for Sherly - hmmm such a complex feeling. Ranka = minmay Sherly = misa Mikhail = kaifun everyone?

PS: that sexual harassment really nice specially whe she "Actually" like it :heh:

I'm sure he slaps everyone's butt. Except Ozma's because he won a bet.

Wesley84 how is Sheryl's earring plot tacked on when it's been in the 5 month old (and that's ignoring all the prep time before it started to get published) Frontier manga from the start? Don't act like they came up with this idea in February... just because it wasn't in Deculture...

They came up with it after they animated the pilot then, which was probably prepared at least a month in advanced of the manga. I doubt it was a scene they dropped out of Deculture simply because the whole "rescue" thing interrupted the entire battle/concert sequence, which it did. More than anything, that's why I can't forgive the Darn Earring subplot. Instead of a concert and a battle, we get Alto carrying Sheryl around.

Zap

2008-05-12, 07:38

Hehehe wait for Microsoft Surface to show up

That's exactly what I thought.

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/index.html

So, we have at least one thing that's guaranteed to happen in RL by the Macross-verse year. :p

ipernorris

2008-05-12, 07:47

Ranka is dynamic character while Sheryl is more of a round character. Ranka has changed a lot, while Sheryl just shows the depth of her personality, she is quite static until this moment in character progression.

I don't think so. Sheryl seemed the classic bitchy famous person who believes to be a deity among the mortals at first, but then this appearance changed dramatically to the point it's clear now she's a sweet and thoughtful woman. She gave her beloved ear-ring to Alto in order to bring him good luck and this is priceless imho.
Ranka instead is changing for the worse: I hope she won't become another Lin Minmei because I don't like her at all. This phenomenon, that I call "bitchyfication", happens very often among people who suddenly become famous for some reason: they forget they are only VERY LUCK persons among many other common persons and they start thing to be special, to be unique, to be SUPERIOR...

CaptGloval

2008-05-12, 08:05

As for that fancy table, the technology is here:

7WIkrQu0-v0

Anh_Minh

2008-05-12, 08:19

I don't know. So far, Ranka seems more lost than bitchy. (Though of course, that may be her future.) And alone, too. She's about to embark in the adventure of her life, but, well, instead of getting support from her brother and Alto, they go off to maybe get killed. And Nanase is already starting to treat her like a different person.

Westlo

2008-05-12, 08:20

herbert

2008-05-12, 08:25

They came up with it after they animated the pilot then, which was probably prepared at least a month in advanced of the manga. I doubt it was a scene they dropped out of Deculture simply because the whole "rescue" thing interrupted the entire battle/concert sequence, which it did. More than anything, that's why I can't forgive the Darn Earring subplot. Instead of a concert and a battle, we get Alto carrying Sheryl around.
Even though it doesn't show the whole incident in deculture ver., it does show the footage Alto rushes towards Sheryl (with that action in broadcast ep 1 he knock Sheryl out of stage.)

I don't think so. Sheryl seemed the classic bitchy famous person who believes to be a deity among the mortals at first, but then this appearance changed dramatically to the point it's clear now she's a sweet and thoughtful woman. She gave her beloved ear-ring to Alto in order to bring him good luck and this is priceless imho.
You need to watch deculture edition first to know there is no a single dramatic change for Sheryl. There are a lots of stuff are cut off due to time restraint. Remember the first line she says in deculture ver.? Strawberry pie! Where inside Galaxy would a deity among the mortals says such thing in her dream?

Oh, by the way, just the description you gave. I'd like to call that kind of character round characters.

CaptGloval

2008-05-12, 08:33

About that lie Alto gave, Ranka knows the truth, why didn't she point out Alto's falsehood immediately?

herbert

2008-05-12, 08:35

About that lie Alto gave, Ranka knows the truth, why didn't she point out Alto's falsehood immediately?

Same reasons why she asks a question she already knows its answer in the 1st place.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-12, 08:39

Also, if she pushes and ask why he was alone with Sheryl, he can ask why she was alone with Mikhail...

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 08:43

So is all forgiven for the 32 minute dvd/blueray final version than which will more than likely have Don't Be Late played in full to fit in both things? :rolleyes: Something was going to get cut anyway since the Deculture version was 27 minutes long with no OP. At least the added Sheryl scenes made Alto's interaction with Sheryl during the evacation make a bit more sense... that kinda came from nowhere in Deculture.

Hell no. I think the Earring Subplot was stupid to begin with. Just you wait, they'll turn out to be magical Earrings of Fate, and will Deus Ex Machina an ending for us. :rolleyes:

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-12, 09:01

Didn't happen to Gamlin in Macross 7?

Sure it's a lucky pendant from Mylene but I was pretty sure his VF-17 Nightmare was blown on collision.

I doubted his survival back then because he's a supporting character who would go out like Guld Bowman.

But here Alto is the main star so his plot armour would be thick. Though not as thick as Nekki Basara.:heh:

CaptGloval

2008-05-12, 09:02

Hell no. I think the Earring Subplot was stupid to begin with. Just you wait, they'll turn out to be magical Earrings of Fate, and will Deus Ex Machina an ending for us. :rolleyes:

With the earring having a reflective surface, I think Alto will be able to spot an enemy from behind :heh:

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 09:10

With the earring having a reflective surface, I think Alto will be able to spot an enemy from behind :heh:

Or possibly blind him when his back is to the sun.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-12, 09:12

With the earring having a reflective surface, I think Alto will be able to spot an enemy from behind :heh:

don't be silly.

When Alto recklessly charge into the fray and get caught in a situation where he is facing certain doom, a Vajra looming over him to administrate death

The earing will pulse and a space dolphin will fly out with animu spiritia and drive the VAJRA mad, thus allowing Alto to kill it and return to base.

:p:D

Tabris

2008-05-12, 09:15

don't be silly.

When Alto recklessly charge into the fray and get caught in a situation where he is facing certain doom, a Vajra looming over him to administrate death

The earing will pulse and a space dolphin will fly out with animu spiritia and drive the VAJRA mad, thus allowing Alto to kill it and return to base.

:p:D
I would simultaneously cry and laugh if this happened.

cerrian

2008-05-12, 09:28

squaresphere

2008-05-12, 09:30

cerrian

2008-05-12, 09:58

They came up with it after they animated the pilot then, which was probably prepared at least a month in advanced of the manga. I doubt it was a scene they dropped out of Deculture simply because the whole "rescue" thing interrupted the entire battle/concert sequence, which it did. More than anything, that's why I can't forgive the Darn Earring subplot. Instead of a concert and a battle, we get Alto carrying Sheryl around.

From a production perspective, I'm willing the bet that the earring issue was part of the storyline from the beginning when they were writing the scripts and storyboarding their concepts. Keep in mind that by the time the Deculture version was broadcasted they would have most likely have already started production on eps 10+. At 4 months from airing, for them to insert a new and major subplot that requires new animation sequences and a rework of the storyline+script, it would be an immense disruption to their development schedule and resource allocation. They'd have to funnel in a ton of money and bring in more personnel to accommodate those level of changes. It's possible to do if there's enough money, but highly unlikely that the MF production team has that kind of extra resources. Then agian, if they did do a last minute change to accomodate the earring subplot like Wesley84 suggests, then my hat is off to the project managers and directors for pulling off one of the most seamless plot insertions I've ever seen.

I think what we saw instead was that the production team saw an opportunity to show off the CGs and music with the Deculture edition. Therefore edits were made to showcase the fights with the music at the expense of some character development time.

I doubt that this earring subplot is anywhere close to being finished. I wouldn't be surprised if it is used as a plot device all the way to the end.

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 10:04

Spot on. Really need to re-emphasis that Alto did not purposely go to the mall in search of Ranka & Michael, it was pure coincidence that he saw her singing. A lot of people are making the mistake that the Alto-Ranka side of the triangle is developed to the point of Alto being jealous, thereby making the triangle fully developed. I don't think we're there yet and there's still a bit more work to do on fleshing out the Alto-Ranka relationship.

No one thinks Alto was jealous, and they were leaving the observatory, not boarding a train to take them to the other island. And, no, he wasn't intentionally looking for Ranka, but they probably wouldn't have ended up on the farm if he hadn't spotted her, since Sheryl was the one leading him around, and wouldn't have even known about the farm.

And as if Sheryl and Alto are some perfect couple. :rolleyes:

Though I'm not really feeling anything from Alto. He kind of bores me aside from the Hime thing. I hope he doesn't end up being very important, and barely manages to get by the skin of his teeth. Maybe getting away from Ranka and Sheryl will do him some good.

CrowKenobi

2008-05-12, 11:14

Though I'm not really feeling anything from Alto. He kind of bores me aside from the Hime thing. I hope he doesn't end up being very important, and barely manages to get by the skin of his teeth. Maybe getting away from Ranka and Sheryl will do him some good.Right now, I'm feeling that Alto's importance is on a level of Hikaru's either just before, or after, his joining the military in SDF Macross...

:cool:

As to the romance quadrangle: shouldn't it be a quintangle since Micheal also seems to be involved with Klan Klein? :heh:

squaresphere

2008-05-12, 11:20

>_< quintangle it is. what can we say, teenagers are hormone driven.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-12, 11:24

Did anybody catch that Frontier also had a Operation M contingency?

cerrian

2008-05-12, 11:26

What's an operation M?

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 11:27

Right now, I'm feeling that Alto's importance is on a level of Hikaru's either just before, or after, his joining the military in SDF Macross...

:cool:

As to the romance quadrangle: shouldn't it be a quintangle since Micheal also seems to be involved with Klan Klein? :heh:

I don't know who Hikaru is, and I meant long-term.

$10 bucks Klein volley fires once in the battle and is never heard from again.

CrowKenobi

2008-05-12, 11:42

I don't know who Hikaru is, and I meant long-term.Hikaru Ichijyo, the main protagonist of SDF Macross (or Robotech's Rick Hunter).

$10 bucks Klein volley fires once in the battle and is never heard from again.A bet, I'll sadly say, you'll lose.

:cool:

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-12, 11:47

What's an operation M?

Operation M or Operation Minmei.

In Macross 7 it was a project concieved to bring in Zentradi without violence by use of music. Inspired by Lynn Minmei's effort to end the war.

But the project was pretty much in the back burner for 3 decades. That was why Nekki Basara was given a customised VF-19. Which wasn't in mass production at the time.

The project only came to be realized with contact with the Protodevlin, it's new Supervision Army and Chlore's Meltrandi fleet. (Meltrandi- female Zentradi)

All of which were successful due to Nekki Basara and Dr. Chiba's discovery of sound energy. Which was somehow amplified using fold physics.

Leon asked if they would try making the Vajra hear music but Frontier President Glass doubted that the Vajra would understand.

:uhoh:

Oh crap don't tell me that new guy... Nah couldn't be.

cerrian

2008-05-12, 11:56

I really hope they don't go the Macross 7 route and use music as a plot device. Overall it was really bad for the franchise and really stunted Macross' growth into the sci-fi/mainstream populace. I'd rather see them maintain music's role as it is now...similar to how Macross Plus handled it.

FlareKnight

2008-05-12, 12:02

Also, if she pushes and ask why he was alone with Sheryl, he can ask why she was alone with Mikhail...Wouldn't think that would phase Ranka that much. Only reason she was there with Mikhail was because he wouldn't stop following her and trying to get her to go home. In the end pushing on it wouldn't really help. Besides at worse have to deal with a question of why she was asking about something she already knew the answer to.

Anyways will be tough to resolve that since Alto isn't aware that Ranka knows he lied.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-12, 12:03

Anh_Minh

2008-05-12, 12:48

Wouldn't think that would phase Ranka that much. Only reason she was there with Mikhail was because he wouldn't stop following her and trying to get her to go home. In the end pushing on it wouldn't really help. Besides at worse have to deal with a question of why she was asking about something she already knew the answer to.

Anyways will be tough to resolve that since Alto isn't aware that Ranka knows he lied.

Yeah, but Ranka lacks self-confidence. Alto could hurt her by pretending to be angry at her. It doesn't have to be logical. Of course, it would be counter productive, but he could.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-12, 13:37

Inquisidor

2008-05-12, 13:40

Or possibly blind him when his back is to the sun.

That would be worse for current real fighter planes that have 2-3 rearview mirrors on the canopy frame, around the same position where Alto hung the earring. :heh:

AlphaDragoon

2008-05-12, 13:48

I have to get Alto's back in this ep. He is NOT going out with Ranka, why would have explain "oh hey, I was on a forced date that ended up being enjoyable with Sheryl".

If anything he sees Ranka as a friend or a some one that needs to be protected. I get almost zero romantic vibes from him in regards to Ranka.

This.

He seems way more interested in Sheryl, from a romantic standpoint. They tease and have little jabs at each other but you can tell there's something there, by their actions and mannerisms. And the fact that after they're done teasing each other or talking or whatever, one of them gets this fond smile that tells you that neither one of them is really mad about any of it. It's pretty clear they've got chemistry.

Whereas with Ranka, he seems genuinely uninterested in her, in that way at least. When he's talking to her like a sister or a friend he's relaxed and kind, but as soon as the topic goes to more of a romantic nature he completely nips it in the bud. He all but tells her or anyone else "No, it's not happening" and even blows her off to a degree.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-12, 13:56

hmmm....makes you think..

maybe M-Galaxy also had a Animu Spiritia singer, like Ranka but was undiscovered, thus the VAJRA "homed" in on the fleet?

if do, then i think it won't be long until the M-Frontier will be facing it's own attack.

Q: What are the chances the new guy in the op is volunteer of Operation M given his own custom not yet mass produced Valkyrie.

squaresphere

2008-05-12, 14:03

hmm could be but he sees kinda emo in the opening. I would expect some male singer to be more like Basara.

germanturkey

2008-05-12, 14:21

this was a great ep. i really enjoyed the last third of it. So basically Sheryl wins.. haha. Anyways, looks like next ep will be the first "full scale" battle we've seen this series.

Westlo

2008-05-12, 14:32

So basically Sheryl wins.. haha.

As much as I want to go yep! let's not get too ahead of ourselves.. still 19 episodes to go so plenty can happen. She's clearly in the drivers seat atm..

Anh_Minh

2008-05-12, 14:33

This.

He seems way more interested in Sheryl, from a romantic standpoint. They tease and have little jabs at each other but you can tell there's something there, by their actions and mannerisms. And the fact that after they're done teasing each other or talking or whatever, one of them gets this fond smile that tells you that neither one of them is really mad about any of it. It's pretty clear they've got chemistry.

Whereas with Ranka, he seems genuinely uninterested in her, in that way at least. When he's talking to her like a sister or a friend he's relaxed and kind, but as soon as the topic goes to more of a romantic nature he completely nips it in the bud. He all but tells her or anyone else "No, it's not happening" and even blows her off to a degree.

He seems more interested in Ranka, to me. Though I dare say Sheryl's won a few points in the last episodes.

It's true he's more comfortable with Sheryl. But that's precisely because he doesn't see her in that way. He's much more emotional about Ranka. He's always getting angry on her behalf, and he went as far as lying to her because he felt guilty about going out with another woman, even though, really, he had nothing to feel guilty about.

Westlo

2008-05-12, 14:37

He seems more interested in Ranka, to me. Though I dare say Sheryl's won a few points in the last episodes.

It's true he's more comfortable with Sheryl. But that's precisely because he doesn't see her in that way. He's much more emotional about Ranka. He's always getting angry on her behalf, and he went as far as lying to her because he felt guilty about going out with another woman, even though, really, he had nothing to feel guilty about.

If he doesn't see Sheryl that way why has he blushed about 7-9 times over her? Also I didn't get any guilt at all from his lie to Ranka...

cerrian

2008-05-12, 14:47

So basically Sheryl wins.. haha.

This is Macross we're talking about, the same one that gave us the Minmei-Hayase twist. It's way too early to say. Actually, I'm slightly worried that Diamond Crevasse might be bit foretelling and that Alto might be buying the farm before the series is over, leaving Sheryl and Ranka to grieve.

On another note, Michael's interest in Ranka came out of nowhere. His actions in ep 5 are in direct contrast against what we saw in ep 6. I'm not quite convinced that Michael has any romantic interest in Ranka just yet.

Teletha

2008-05-12, 14:51

Also, if she pushes and ask why he was alone with Sheryl, he can ask why she was alone with Mikhail...

I don't think he cares she was there alone with Mikhail. :heh: He's not getting that Ranka likes him in that way, or at least doesn't seem to see her that way. He certainly doesn't see Mikhail as competition for a relationship he's not even thinking about. He wants to protect and help Ranka, but does he want a relationship with her? I'm not seeing that at all. He seems pretty ignorant to the whole thing. Even lying to her about going to mall, didn't seem like he was really going out of his way to lie or to hide because he felt guilty. I just don't think he thought it was anyone's business. Especially since Mikhal was teasing him about it before. I still get the little sister Mao/Shin vibe from Alto/Ranka.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-12, 14:56

If he doesn't see Sheryl that way why has he blushed about 7-9 times over her? Also I didn't get any guilt at all from his lie to Ranka...

He blushes whenever Sheryl thrusts her feminity in his face (and who wouldn't?). He gets emotional and/or defensive whenever Ranka's so much as mentioned.

4Tran

2008-05-12, 15:20

Episode 6 isn't as fun as the last episode (which was one of my favorites of the last decade), but the character pieces continue to impress. I'm so impressed by Macross Frontier so far that I'm going to forgo the standard episode recap - instead, I'll put my thoughts in the other threads.

He seems way more interested in Sheryl, from a romantic standpoint. They tease and have little jabs at each other but you can tell there's something there, by their actions and mannerisms. And the fact that after they're done teasing each other or talking or whatever, one of them gets this fond smile that tells you that neither one of them is really mad about any of it. It's pretty clear they've got chemistry.
I don't think that Alto is interested in Sheryl romantically yet. There's definitely chemistry there, but that flows more from the fact that they can be comfortable with each other as any sort of romantic tension. I expect this to develop further, but I don't think that they're there yet. In a way, deep bonds like this are more impressive than romances, which are sort of dime-a-dozen in anime.

Whereas with Ranka, he seems genuinely uninterested in her, in that way at least. When he's talking to her like a sister or a friend he's relaxed and kind, but as soon as the topic goes to more of a romantic nature he completely nips it in the bud. He all but tells her or anyone else "No, it's not happening" and even blows her off to a degree.
It's less that Alto's uninterested in Ranka romantically, as he is uninterested in romance period. Alto's simply at a stage in his life where other things are more important: his dream of flying being predominant. Where he is completely unreceptive is that he doesn't notice that Ranka has changed quite a bit from the time that he first met her, and most of his mistakes regarding her stem from that. In a way, Ranka herself isn't really aware of what's going on - she's transitioning into an adult, but she still hasn't completely grown away from the trappings of childhood (which is why we still saw her wearing the hippo pajamas).

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 16:06

^ I agree Alto isn't interested in romance. I'm getting rather tired of hearing how Sheryl's "winning" when the prize would rather fold paper airplanes all day than plan a date.

A bet, I'll sadly say, you'll lose.:cool:

Doubt it. Alot of characters are participating, and she's a minor character who's already been introduced. Add in the fact she's a Meltran and Meltran are only good for making babies...

One volley of Queadluun-Rea missle spam fanservice, and that'll be the end of her role in the battle.

4Tran

2008-05-12, 16:23

^ I agree Alto isn't interested in romance. I'm getting rather tired of hearing how Sheryl's "winning" when the prize would rather fold paper airplanes all day than plan a date.
Quite. Admittedly, it should be noted that Sheryl herself isn't particularly interested in romance herself. She's still getting used to the idea of treating Alto as a friend. If anything, worry over his safety and the safety of Macross Galaxy are her overriding concerns as of the end of episode 6.

Doubt it. Alot of characters are participating, and she's a minor character who's already been introduced. Add in the fact she's a Meltran and Meltran are only good for making babies...
Correction: Meltrandi are mostly good for kicking butt. There's a reason why some of us find it so nifty to see Queadluuns back in actions again.

Admittedly, there are going to be a lot of characters involved in the battle, so it's hard to say how much any one of them are going to participate. The only thing that's certain is that Kanaria (and her VB-6) are going to get some love next episode.

Errantkael

2008-05-12, 17:54

I agree with some of the above posters, the realationship triangle is only just beginning. With Ranka's new career, Alto's piloting and Sheryls galaxy crisis romance might just be out of reach.

Although admittedly when Sheryl is singing her "farewell" song it does hint at alto. The well timed scene shift and song lyrics ;)

Anyone else notice that badass shot of a Goliath in next weeks preview? If you missed here it is god i love those walking tanks.

Correction: Meltrandi are mostly good for kicking butt. There's a reason why some of us find it so nifty to see Queadluuns back in actions again.

Heh, should be good :p

Dark Wing

2008-05-12, 18:39

I just got done watching all six episodes in one sitting and I have to say I'm more then impressed I am in total awe about this series. Having been a fan of "Robotech"
then seeing the original version I must admit this brings back so many memories...:)

Oh and to respond to this...:twitch:

So basically Sheryl wins.. haha.

Then you kids don't know Macross...As soon as you think things are going one way you're tossed a complete carve ball in the end. Not that I'm cheering for either of them all I'm saying is just wait and see before you jump the gun because you never truly know until it's all over... ;)

kk2extreme

2008-05-12, 19:57

Man, i did not get this emotional since kanon.

Wesley84

2008-05-12, 20:11

Admittedly, there are going to be a lot of characters involved in the battle, so it's hard to say how much any one of them are going to participate. The only thing that's certain is that Kanaria (and her VB-6) are going to get some love next episode.

Probably the carrier too. Got to get that "Fire!" in at some point. Without knowing just how much time is going to spent focusing on Frontier though, it's hard to say what kind of committment they'll make to fleshing out the battle. Any sequence that focuses on any one character will eat up at least a few minutes, and Alto being the main character he has to take up at least half an episode for himself even if it's alongside another.

cheesie

2008-05-12, 22:26

This is Macross we're talking about, the same one that gave us the Minmei-Hayase twist.

I loved that twist. Sheryl and Minmay are similar at first glance, but Sheryl actually shares more similarity with Hayase as both of them are extremely strong women, just as Ranka and Minmay are similar. (I dont even mind if Hayase is 2 years older than Hikaru. :heh: )

Edit: Then again in Macross world, whoever comes first in the love triangle is always the loser in the end. >_<

herbert

2008-05-12, 23:25

Manji Midou

2008-05-13, 00:26

l wouldn't be surprised if ranka wins alto at the end, l'm getting vibes from sheryl that she will kick the bucket near the end...which is fine with me.

Westlo

2008-05-13, 00:45

What are Ranka fans basing Sheryl dying on? Pure hope? Because if any of the two main girls has a higher chance of dying this series it's Ranka (5% compared to 1% though :rolleyes: ) because unlike Sheryl she is connected to the Varja in some way. I really doubt any of the two girls will do a Guld though...

He blushes whenever Sheryl thrusts her feminity in his face (and who wouldn't?). He gets emotional and/or defensive whenever Ranka's so much as mentioned.

How did she thrust her femininity at Alto before this blush?

http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0616ai2.jpg

Than you got his blush at being caught being kissed by her by Michael at the start of the episode...

ipernorris

2008-05-13, 00:51

I loved that twist. Sheryl and Minmay are similar at first glance, but Sheryl actually shares more similarity with Hayase as both of them are extremely strong women, just as Ranka and Minmay are similar. (I dont even mind if Hayase is 2 years older than Hikaru. :heh: )

Is it so bad for a woman being older than the man? I mean we see vip couples with tens of years of difference so it shouldn't be so shocking...

Edit: Then again in Macross world, whoever comes first in the love triangle is always the loser in the end. >_<
Where is it stated this rule? :heh:
It's just your speculation...

l wouldn't be surprised if ranka wins alto at the end, l'm getting vibes from sheryl that she will kick the bucket near the end...which is fine with me.
I'm not fine with that: I like Sheryl a lot. At first I didn't like her, but now we've seen she's much more than the vip bitch we've seen in episode 1. (Yeah I know there is deculture version and so bla bla bla, but for me episode 1 of the series is the canon).
She has quite a solid background as well, at least as much as Ranka has.

Manji Midou

2008-05-13, 01:09

What are Ranka fans basing Sheryl dying on? Pure hope? Because if any of the two main girls has a higher chance of dying this series it's Ranka (5% compared to 1% though :rolleyes: ) because unlike Sheryl she is connected to the Varja in some way. I really doubt any of the two girls who pull a Guld...
Not pure hope, not at all..l'm just picking on vibes that she might die near the end, l'm a fan of hers too, l would be deaply saddened if she died:rolleyes:.
lt wouldn't be so bad that she did kick the bucket though as it would add more drama...:heh:

always on the attack, huh westlo? this time my pairing shall become victorious!!:p

cheesie

2008-05-13, 01:11

Is it so bad for a woman being older than the man? I mean we see vip couples with tens of years of difference so it shouldn't be so shocking...

no in fact i'm beginning to like the idea MORE AND MORE omg lol. :heh:

Where is it stated this rule? :heh:
It's just your speculation...

Thought it's the same for all Macross series. (Esp the Minmei/Hikaru/Misa triangle.)

Sheryl is such a fine character. I hope her relationship with Alto develops because I'm getting sick of moe/loli characters. -_-

always on the attack, huh westlo? this time my pairing shall become victorious!!

Here's a fat ego-boost for you Westlo, everytime you make a prediction on a pairing, I always sit back and relax because you always turn out to be right. :bow: (But we'll see about Macross Frontier, because it's a lil complicated. :heh: )

Westlo

2008-05-13, 01:14

always on the attack, huh westlo? this time my pairing shall become victorious!!:p

The only pairing you want that shall be victorious is yuukiXzero :p Hopefully that's wrapped up in 4-6 months/chapters time as well since it appears to be near the end. btw about that bet you lost against me.. you can change your avatar now since it was only suppose to be a month for you IIRC, I was going to wear Kai for the entire Spring season if I got those 2 predictions wrong.

Here's a fat ego-boost for you Westlo, everytime you make a prediction on a pairing, I always sit back and relax because you always turn out to be right. :bow: (But we'll see about Macross Frontier, because it's a lil complicated. :heh: )

Yep that's true :D but I've got to get one wrong eventually :( Hopefully Sheryl and/or VK's Zero is not where I slip up with my predictions... though I'm supremely confident with Zero atm since the manga looks like it's coming to an end...

ipernorris

2008-05-13, 01:49

no in fact i'm beginning to like the idea MORE AND MORE omg lol. :heh:

Me too, even because older women = better experienced... :cool:

Thought it's the same for all Macross series. (Esp the Minmei/Hikaru/Misa triangle.)

Well all Macross series... it isn't like there are tons of Macross series out there. I mean there is SDFM and Macross 7. In SDFM it was only obvious that Misa would have won because Minmei was only a possessive capricious bitch and nothing more, while Misa was such a fine and sweet woman. In Macross 7 Basara didn't give a damn about Mylene and he was attracted by Sivil: I don't know if it was love or not, but even in this case we have a monster who manages to be more interesting than a loli. :heh:
If I was Alto I would see Ranka as a kind of little sister to protect, not a girlfriend never ever. She will grow up in the future (I HOPE!), but I will still prefer Sheryl, unless something shocking about her will happen.

Sheryl is such a fine character. I hope her relationship with Alto develops because I'm getting sick of moe/loli characters. -_-

Here it's the same... in fact in the past I read lots of "School life" mangas, but now I'm avoiding them like they are a plague... :heh:

TwilightHack

2008-05-13, 01:59

Sheryl is such a fine character. I hope her relationship with Alto develops because I'm getting sick of moe/loli characters. -_-
You hit that right on the spot, it happens a lot lately.

cheesie

2008-05-13, 05:48

Prongs

2008-05-13, 05:53

but Ranka is more promising, after all she is zetrand (its remind me of Max and Mylia LOL)

herbert

2008-05-13, 05:55

We already has Micheal and Klan Klan, why do you need Ranka to recall Jenius couple?

SuperKnuckles

2008-05-13, 06:13

I dunno, I get worried when relationships flow TOO EASILY in the beginning of the series. They r already blushing, exchanging mementos, neglecting the third wheel, and this is what, the sixth episode?

For once, I want to see the 'seemingly-out-of-your-league' character win the love triangle instead of the 'down-to-earth moe/loli/more-in-your-league' type. :(

I agree. So far, the romantic stuff feels pretty forced. Then again, I thought they felt forced ever since Macross to Macross Plus. To me, ironically, Macross Zero had a more believable romantic relationship since it all came out of necessity and normalized relationship between strangers.

With Frontier, it's like "cute girl comes along: DATE!". I do hope to see more spontaneous moments, but Sheryl seems to be assertive in that way so maybe it's just her.

NoOneKnowS

2008-05-13, 08:58

I agree. So far, the romantic stuff feels pretty forced. Then again, I thought they felt forced ever since Macross to Macross Plus. To me, ironically, Macross Zero had a more believable romantic relationship since it all came out of necessity and normalized relationship between strangers.

With Frontier, it's like "cute girl comes along: DATE!". I do hope to see more spontaneous moments, but Sheryl seems to be assertive in that way so maybe it's just her.

Well in fairness in Zero the younger sister never had a chance in the love department anyways. Though Shin gets along w/ her. There never was any indication of affection from him(more like he sees her only as a sister). Shin was onto Sara since the beginning.

Wesley84

2008-05-13, 10:22

You think the fact he looks like a girl helps them feel comfortable talking to him? The first episode seemed to imply that with Ranka.

Tsuchiro

2008-05-13, 10:45

Well in fairness in Zero the younger sister never had a chance in the love department anyways. Though Shin gets along w/ her. There never was any indication of affection from him(more like he sees her only as a sister). Shin was onto Sara since the beginning.

*cough* you should wait till ep 10 >_>.

4Tran

2008-05-13, 11:05

I replied to Wesley84's point in the Alto discussion thread.

I agree. So far, the romantic stuff feels pretty forced. Then again, I thought they felt forced ever since Macross to Macross Plus. To me, ironically, Macross Zero had a more believable romantic relationship since it all came out of necessity and normalized relationship between strangers.

With Frontier, it's like "cute girl comes along: DATE!". I do hope to see more spontaneous moments, but Sheryl seems to be assertive in that way so maybe it's just her.
I'm not really sure how you can characterize any of the interaction as "romantic" to begin with. The Star Date and Alto going to return the earring may have stereotypical overtones that indicate romance in other shows, but the way they were played out in Frontier, there seems to be very different connotations in both cases. Sure it can blossom into romance, but they're not there yet.

You point out quite correctly that the Star Date is pure Sheryl - Alto was even hesitant at first, but he just got caught up in the moment.

Tak

2008-05-13, 18:17

See, I agree with that totally. If anything, its a 'romance' in 'development-stages' and 'under-construction'. Its not there, yet.

Yes, they look like a match, but its a far way off :p

- Tak

Haesslich

2008-05-13, 20:32

I think I've ranted on this topic in other forums/blogs... but Ranka and Alto aren't even close to the border to Relationship-ville... but Sheryl and Alto aren't quite there yet either. He isn't looking for romance, and he's still building his relationships with the two women... although with Ranka, there's been pretty much zero development since the Miss Macross competition. Sheryl, on the other hand, got to take Alto around and show her normal side to him, which is a contrast to the bitch he thought her to be at the start: witness his disparaging comments about her ("What makes her a Galactic Fairy?") as well as how he tore into her after the concert was cancelled, on top of how she talked about the flight school EX-gear pilots as being amateurs.

Besides, for all the complaints I've seen about how slowly things are developing, I find this natural progression to be a bit better than the sudden 'ohmygodI'vefalleninlovewithyou' thing that happens to harem shows, comedies, and most other anime. For those who fret about it... Macross didn't exactly start out quick with the triangle either; Hikaru and Misa were arguing during their first few encounters, and things with Minmay didn't really FEEL romantic after they were rescued. The triangle took a while to develop there too, and for the most part consisted of one-sided feelings. Which we're starting to see here, at least a little.

There's another good reason to avoid Ranka though - on top of the fact she IS a year younger than him (and possibly below the age of consent if he's interested in such things), she's the little sister of the commanding officer who dotes on her, and who's likely to strap Alto onto a reaction weapon and launch it into the middle of a Vajra hiveship the moment he thinks Alto is hurting his sweet little sister... or worse, 'defiling' her.

Wesley84

2008-05-13, 20:50

Haesslich

2008-05-13, 21:01

Yeah? Wait until the tabloids get ahold of Sheryl's boyfriend cross-dressing. :D

Sheryl's hardly roses herself. Celebrities are high maintanence, and Alto'd recieve alot of indirect attention by interacting with her.

And I can't see how Ozma's be worse than a father, though the fact that Alto's a pilot is a reason why she'd reject him.

Well, it's less "crossdressing" and more "former professional Kabuki performer, son of Ranzo Saotome III" - they'd have more of a field day with Sheryl goofing off with a guy than the fact the guy's also in the entertainment industry. Which is ANOTHER different between this and the original Macross... although less so, given Hikaru (IIRC) was a performer, thus the plane he had.

And it's more that Ozma's overprotective - as Mikhail noted, he's surprised that Ozma didn't come out armed the moment the agent showed up. And this is JUST a talent agent - if it was a suitor, he might have well flown his VF-25 home with an Armor pack on it, to greet the prospective boyfriend. Imagine if it was someone in his squadron; he would probably go ballistic, then calm down after Canaria or Cathy Glass knocked some sense into him. If people think Alto's hot-blooded, they should look at Ozma 'I lick my lips when shoving knives into Vajra' Lee.

Cadorna

2008-05-13, 21:28

this is off topic, but we have to wait less than a day for the next ep

RamzaOwns

2008-05-13, 23:15

i just noticed something...

ranka runs really really fast
she ran like 12 km to the concert in 2 minutes

Wesley84

2008-05-13, 23:29

i just noticed something...

ranka runs really really fast
she ran like 12 km to the concert in 2 minutes

I don't think she even made it to the concert. And what was that letter she was carrying?

Burner of Anime

2008-05-13, 23:38

I don't think she even made it to the concert. And what was that letter she was carrying?

She made it alright. Next ep preview shows the girl in the crowd.

And the 12 km bit is a bit of an exaggeration on time compression. Of course it's entirely likely since the girl is a quarter zent and knows where to go now :heh:

RamzaOwns

2008-05-13, 23:47

ranka should join a track team

Tsuchiro

2008-05-13, 23:50

I don't think she even made it to the concert. And what was that letter she was carrying?

isn't a letter if you look closely it says "ticket"

Wesley84

2008-05-14, 00:03

isn't a letter if you look closely it says "ticket"

She put the ticket into an envelope?

Tsuchiro

2008-05-14, 00:10

She put the ticket into an envelope?

maybe she got another ticket from sheryl? who knows

Wesley84

2008-05-14, 00:13

Just seems kind of odd she'd be hurriedly late to a concert she knew was coming in advance.

ani_d

2008-05-14, 01:16

i just noticed something...

ranka runs really really fast
she ran like 12 km to the concert in 2 minutes

I doubt she really did marathon her way to the concert during that short amount of time. She probably had a means of transportation like trailers or something to get there.

I dunno, I get worried when relationships flow TOO EASILY in the beginning of the series. They r already blushing, exchanging mementos, neglecting the third wheel, and this is what, the sixth episode?

For once, I want to see the 'seemingly-out-of-your-league' character win the love triangle instead of the 'down-to-earth moe/loli/more-in-your-league' type. :(

You noticed it too? This is just episode 6, indeed lol

As for me, I say Sheryl is more on Alto's league. The people around him can agree that Alto-hime IS a pretty boy. Sheryl is this uber sexy gorgeous multitalented and everything great idol of the galaxy. They're both prettier than Ranka. Both have entertainment experience. They're just too pretty together. I hope they don't explode or blind everyone around them if they walk on the red carpet as a couple.

Ranka on the other hand is this underdeveloped young crybaby who's full of ambition. She seems to be the one who is out of the league here, honestly. I find no reason to hate her character just cuz she's passive and has no chest---"Loli".

cheesie

2008-05-14, 03:27

You noticed it too? This is just episode 6, indeed lol

As for me, I say Sheryl is more on Alto's league. The people around him can agree that Alto-hime IS a pretty boy. Sheryl is this uber sexy gorgeous multitalented and everything great idol of the galaxy. They're both prettier than Ranka. Both have entertainment experience. They're just too pretty together. I hope they don't explode or blind everyone around them if they walk on the red carpet as a couple.

Ranka on the other hand is this underdeveloped young crybaby who's full of ambition. She seems to be the one who is out of the league here, honestly. I find no reason to hate her character just cuz she's passive and has no chest---"Loli".

I won't be surprised if Sheryl falls from grace in the middle of the series. She's already so high up and her character so developed, what better way is there to develop an already developed character than to tear her away from the one thing which has been pushing her and molding her into who she became today?

All I can say is when it comes to MF's love triangle, Ranka has a couple of points going against her if this series continues nodding to the old Macross series.

* The younger girl / loli never wins. Period.

The only thing going against Sheryl is that she is TOO FAR AHEAD in the race (for reasons which I list up there). I can't believe I'm saying this but Alto x Ranka needs to happen NOW until the middle of the series for my mind to be appeased, because then, once the series is nearing its end... HEH HEH. :heh:

NoOneKnowS

2008-05-14, 04:20

Anh_Minh

2008-05-14, 04:44

Or Alto and Michel finally admitting their homoerotic feelings for each other while the shota seduces the part-time loli...

herbert

2008-05-14, 05:14

Or Alto and Michel finally admitting their homoerotic feelings for each other while the shota seduces the part-time loli...

Alto is Ozma's; Micheal is Luca's; Klan Klan is Sheryl's; Ranka is Leon's; Nanase is Cathy's. Do I miss any one?

cheesie

2008-05-14, 07:16

Considering how you're talking to a yaoi fangirl, then hell yes, Alto x Michel all the way baby.

Dark Wing

2008-05-14, 08:22

Why don't we all just leave the past "love triangle conclusions on Macross" behind. We might never know, we've already seen shouta's and loli's in this series. Though the series pays homage to the other macross series' it's still entirely new and different. Maybe even the love department would come out different. Like Altoh staying w/ one girl the entire series while still having good relationship(though not romantically) to the other girl or etc...

The one thing I would like to avoid in this series is yet another meaningless pairing war...I'm sick of reading posts on every anime that has a love triangle about who will win out in the end...

I know it's part of the story but thats not the main focus. What about the meachs, dog fights in space, secret behind the aliens attacking humanity, and why Altoh dislikes his family so much...I could go on and on but to get straight to the point...What I'm saying is there is more to a series then just a paring...

Westlo

2008-05-14, 08:27

Actually this is Macross, it matters just as much as all that stuff if not more, same with Kawamori's Escaflowne which I like better than even the original Macross. Main focus in Macross has always been romance and music as well as the mecha action, those are the 3 staples of Macross you can say.

The only thing going against Sheryl is that she is TOO FAR AHEAD in the race (for reasons which I list up there). I can't believe I'm saying this but Alto x Ranka needs to happen NOW until the middle of the series for my mind to be appeased, because then, once the series is nearing its end... HEH HEH. :heh:

Well unless this turns out like Macross Zero I too would like to see Ranka appear in the lead during the 65-85% period of the show, assuming this follows the trend of the "winner" being "screwed" near that area.

cheesie

2008-05-14, 08:32

I know it's part of the story but thats not the main focus. What about the meachs, dog fights in space, secret behind the aliens attacking humanity, and why Altoh dislikes his family so much...I could go on and on but to get straight to the point...What I'm saying is there is more to a series then just a paring...

Unfortunately those things don't attract me. I watch this series because Macross has a history of really nerve-wrecking love triangles (actual love triangles not harem), the same way fans watch Macross for the mecha and ignore the love triangle. Lucky for me the romance is very part of the plot so yes while i know that there's more to aseries than just a pairing, it's still a BIG subplot.

Now fanbrats who wail and moan and bitch because their pairing lost, however... yeah we could do without em.

Dark Wing

2008-05-14, 08:36

Actually this is Macross, it matters just as much as all that stuff if not more, same with Kawamori's Escaflowne which I like better than even the original Macross.

I know that...It's just that I'm sick of seeing flame wars about parings ever anime thread I go to and seems like that eats up everything else good about the story...

Also...

@Crisis: I may be a hopeless Yuri Fanboy but I leave that part of me the series that matter...Oh and Sheryl x Ranka 4 ever!

Westlo

2008-05-14, 09:06

I see what you mean, if we get a finale that's as good as Love Drifts Away* from Macross and the majority of comments is "Oh no Sheryl/Ranka lost this sucks and alto sucks!" or "yay sheryl/ranka won suck it!"... well that would be disappointed to say the least.

*I know Love Drifts Away isn't the real ending but it's the climatic finish to the series imo... wasn't really a fan of all that added on stuff that we got because it was rating so well..

Wesley84

2008-05-14, 10:11

The one thing I would like to avoid in this series is yet another meaningless pairing war...I'm sick of reading posts on every anime that has a love triangle about who will win out in the end...

I know it's part of the story but thats not the main focus. What about the meachs, dog fights in space, secret behind the aliens attacking humanity, and why Altoh dislikes his family so much...I could go on and on but to get straight to the point...What I'm saying is there is more to a series then just a paring...

Hear, hear. I can't even watch the opening because it's so gooey and love triangly. Not that I mind seeing the relationships develope, but I really am getting tired of seeing "I love Sheryl so much! I'm sure she'll end up with Alto in the end!" And people just plain getting ahead of the storyline, and speculation about who'd make a better couple, or whatever. Just causes alot of bad blood if you ask me.

I'd much rather just watch the characters and enjoy them without resentments brought on by the words of others.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-14, 10:13

If you can't take stupid, heated disagreements over trivial things, then maybe reading the internet isn't for you.... :p

cheesie

2008-05-14, 10:24

Hear, hear. I can't even watch the opening because it's so gooey and love triangly. Not that I mind seeing the relationships develope, but I really am getting tired of seeing "I love Sheryl so much! I'm sure she'll end up with Alto in the end!" And people just plain getting ahead of the storyline, and speculation about who'd make a better couple, or whatever. Just causes alot of bad blood if you ask me.

There's no harm in screwing your brain over trying to figure out what kind of development the characters will be getting.

So what are we supposed to do, throw out things like "omigosh, VF-25 is making eyes at RVF-25!!!"? (Which I'm sure they secretly are anyway.) :|

Wesley84

2008-05-14, 11:08

If you can't take stupid, heated disagreements over trivial things, then maybe reading the internet isn't for you.... :p

Nothing is worse than pairing wars. Nothing. I still have war wounds from the Cleris/Clifa forumwars from the late 90s and early whatever-the-hell-we-call-this-decade. Though I don't think we'll be seeing hundreds of hate *insert character name* pages being wiped up overnight because of Frontier, like it was then.

cheesie

2008-05-14, 11:21

Nothing is worse than pairing wars. Nothing. I still have war wounds from the Cleris/Clifa forumwars from the late 90s and early whatever-the-hell-we-call-this-decade. Though I don't think we'll be seeing hundreds of hate *insert character name* pages being wiped up overnight because of Frontier, like it was then.

It's not Clifa, it's Cloti. :heh:

Oh, look a survivor, LOL, I fought with my Cleris warriors in the frontlines in that same decade. :heh: Now, we have stupid young and adult fanbrats so obsessed over the love triangle and so intent on exploding it with stupid wank that it's time to retire. :eyespin: (Well its not that different from before, but the only difference is that this generation sees hacking into accounts, screaming insults, impersonating, break-ups and morals/ethics being thrown out the window over the stupid love triangle that doesn't even have a clear answer in the 1st place.)

I don't think Macross F will be like that. I mean it takes YEARS to accumulate that much hate and immaturity and M.F started like what, a month ago? :heh:

Dark Wing

2008-05-14, 11:23

There's no harm in screwing your brain over trying to figure out what kind of development the characters will be getting.

So what are we supposed to do, throw out things like "omigosh, VF-25 is making eyes at RVF-25!!!"? (Which I'm sure they secretly are anyway.) :|

But I don't see anyone trying to figure out a characters development here...All I see is post saying how Ranka or Sheryl would be a better choose for Alto and it's driving me crazy. It's like everyone has nothing else to talk about...

If you want "omigosh-ness" go watch a comedy/romance anime series or better yet a soap opera or B rank teen movie...Just leave it out of my Macross...

I don't think Macross F will be like that. I mean it takes YEARS to accumulate that much hate and immaturity and M.F started like what, a month ago? :heh:

Thats why I'm saying nip it in the bud right now before it gets to that point...:heh:

I see what you mean, if we get a finale that's as good as Love Drifts Away* from Macross and the majority of comments is "Oh no Sheryl/Ranka lost this sucks and alto sucks!" or "yay sheryl/ranka won suck it!"... well that would be disappointed to say the least.

*I know Love Drifts Away isn't the real ending but it's the climatic finish to the series imo... wasn't really a fan of all that added on stuff that we got because it was rating so well..

At that point we'll be seeing a lot of AU fics poping up all over place then...:heh:

4Tran

2008-05-14, 12:19

The one thing I would like to avoid in this series is yet another meaningless pairing war...I'm sick of reading posts on every anime that has a love triangle about who will win out in the end...
I agree. There's an awful lot of substance to Macross Frontier to discuss without delving into the banal horse race fights that plague so many other shows. Still, people have a right to talk about the things that interest them, so there's no real helping that. I find the best way to reduce that is to simply bring up points that you're interested in, and to pay no attention to what doesn't.

I know it's part of the story but thats not the main focus. What about the meachs, dog fights in space, secret behind the aliens attacking humanity, and why Altoh dislikes his family so much...I could go on and on but to get straight to the point...What I'm saying is there is more to a series then just a paring...
To add to what the others have said, the relationships (Not the romance!) currently really do lie at the heart of Macross Frontier. The action and the overarching plot may figure more prominently in the later episodes, but they're not the main themes yet. Then again, talk about who's going to "win" at the end is sort of silly when we're six episodes into a two-cour show; especially since none of the characters are all that concerned with "winning" yet.

Actually this is Macross, it matters just as much as all that stuff if not more, same with Kawamori's Escaflowne which I like better than even the original Macross. Main focus in Macross has always been romance and music as well as the mecha action, those are the 3 staples of Macross you can say.
Pretty much. All of the Macross shows had these focii, albeit their relative importance varies a great deal depending on which work it is. So far, the mecha part is getting the short end of the stick in Macross Frontier - although that's probably going to change starting in episode 7.

On a totally different note, I've got to applaud the cinematography for the last bit of episode 6. There are two shots in particular that I loved: The first is the scene transition from Alto's cockpit to Sheryl's concert entrance - the creators used the earring as the connecting element between the two, and they placed a nifty emphasis on its current location by having it disappear from Sheryl's ear. That shot did a good job of reinforcing the distance of the two characters, and established exactly who Sheryl's song was for. The other shot was of Ranka running to the concert and the pan upwards to reveal the concert hall. Not only was it awfully pretty, but it put the hilly geography of San Francisco 2.0 to good use. Currently, the stitched-together pan resides as my computer wallpaper.

I want to add my appreciation for that little butt-slap scene on board SMS Macross Quarter. Aside from being amusing, the bridge bunnies and captain have only had about a minute or two of total screen-time so far in the first six episodes, but little scenes like that go a long way towards giving them some personality and individuality. It also shows that the relationship between Jeffrey and Monica goes beyond purely a professional one.

ani_d

2008-05-14, 12:21

* The younger girl / loli never wins. Period.

Wherever did you hear that? ^_^

Anyway, what is with this Kawamori tradition? Symbolism or whatever. No matter how much homage they put in the show, I don't think Kawamori will just sit back and obviously tell the fans how his own story will play out just because "things happened like this and that last time". :heh: I'd rather look at the story and see which girl will take up the most focus here.

The only thing going against Sheryl is that she is TOO FAR AHEAD in the race (for reasons which I list up there). I can't believe I'm saying this but Alto x Ranka needs to happen NOW until the middle of the series for my mind to be appeased, because then, once the series is nearing its end... HEH HEH. :heh:

The first four episodes are filled with Ranka and Alto, maybe Sheryl has episode 5-8 episodes she gets to spend with him. =/ Episode 8's title seemed to relate more to Sheryl, imo.

If Ranka's character didn't make as big of an impression on me in the very start of the series, I would've been helping you wave your SherylxAlto flag right now. I find no reason to hate Sheryl after episode 6, but I guess Ranka is just my homegirl haha

Wesley84

2008-05-14, 12:35

Pretty much. All of the Macross shows had these focii, albeit their relative importance varies a great deal depending on which work it is. So far, the mecha part is getting the short end of the stick in Macross Frontier - although that's probably going to change starting in episode 7.

I don't see how you can say that when between a third and a half of most of the episodes has had mecha fighting in it. Unless by mecha you mean war, then you'd be correct.

On a totally different note, I've got to applaud the cinematography for the last bit of episode 6. There are two shots in particular that I loved: The first is the scene transition from Alto's cockpit to Sheryl's concert entrance - the creators used the earring as the connecting element between the two, and they placed a nifty emphasis on its current location by having it disappear from Sheryl's ear. That shot did a good job of reinforcing the distance of the two characters, and established exactly who Sheryl's song was for.

I had to watch a second time before I really noticed that and was duely impressed.

I want to add my appreciation for that little butt-slap scene on board SMS Macross Quarter. Aside from being amusing, the bridge bunnies and captain have only had about a minute or two of total screen-time so far in the first six episodes, but little scenes like that go a long way towards giving them some personality and individuality. It also shows that the relationship between Jeffrey and Monica goes beyond purely a professional one.

Much better than lame shopping sprees and workouts.

cerrian

2008-05-14, 12:40

I want to add my appreciation for that little butt-slap scene on board SMS Macross Quarter. Aside from being amusing, the bridge bunnies and captain have only had about a minute or two of total screen-time so far in the first six episodes, but little scenes like that go a long way towards giving them some personality and individuality. It also shows that the relationship between Jeffrey and Monica goes beyond purely a professional one.

If only they had their primary animators on that scene :D. Seriously, it took me about 3-4 replays to figure out he was slapping her ass.

On another note, there was one scene in ep 6 that I felt was a bit out of place. It was when Alto and Micheal were in the crew quarters and Micheal goes on to recite the contract exemption clause. That whole scene felt inappropriate (music and animation) and broke the pacing of the episode. It was semi-redundant b/c Ozma had already given us the key points during the phone call. It probably would have been better to just give Ozma and extra line or 2 to explain the details of the contract and edit out the Micheal scene.