Code Geass R2 - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[JagdPanther]

It's the most important aspect to be brought in front of us, it allows us to relate and understand the situation much better and in a more believable context which makes us follow the story more. I mean, eye-candy action seqeunces aside I didn't really feel connected to the world peace-scenario and overly naive banter from Kira Yamato and characters *cough* Suzaku *cough* like him. :heh:
Why can't we relate to other portions like the Laws of Physics? :heh:

I prefer those.

[Var]

Why can't we relate to other portions like the Laws of Physics? :heh:

I prefer those.

Because we wouldn't have giant flying robots.

[Dann of Thursday]

The Laws of Physics don't exist in their normal state here. They are warped to whatever they need to be.

[KrimzonStriker]

Why can't we relate to other portions like the Laws of Physics? :heh:

I prefer those.

Because there far more dull to watch, that's why :p

[Aryeztur]

I am wondering if Kallen remembers/realizes the connection between Lelouch and Nunnaly? There seems to be no acknowledgment of this probably fact.

Also, this has been bugging me for a while but, at the end of the season 1, Ogi sends Kallen after Zero; so far has he even bothered to ask her what happened then (not that he would get an answer)?

[Dann of Thursday]

He probably doesn't care since everyone is all right.

[JagdPanther]

Then please help me understand.
I specifically said that the idea of a methane hydrate blast could wipe out a fleet. It's in all likelihood what causes the Bermuda Triangle to be such a dangerous place, for example.

My point being is that the occurrence of such as the way to defeat the previously mentioned fleet at that point in time is retarded beyond all belief.

He's got a map. A PAPER MAP. And a radio. THAT'S IT.

Seriously, people. :twitch:

[Dann of Thursday]

He's that good. And they can do whatever they want.

[Kang Seung Jae]

He's got a map. A PAPER MAP. And a radio. THAT'S IT.

I would believe that the map would show where such a mining plant would be.

[JagdPanther]

The Laws of Physics don't exist in their normal state here. They are warped to whatever they need to be.
Was that a serious comment? Like you think I actually didn't know that? :confused:

I may not be the smartest person in the world, but I think after over a decade of watching anime I've figured that out by now.

[KrimzonStriker]

I specifically said that the idea of a methane hydrate blast could wipe out a fleet. It's in all likelihood what causes the Bermuda Triangle to be such a dangerous place, for example.

My point being is that the occurrence of such as the way to defeat the previously mentioned fleet at that point in time is retarded beyond all belief.

He's got a map. A PAPER MAP. And a radio. THAT'S IT.

Seriously, people. :twitch:

He had a sub to work with and 6 torpedo's, give him a bit more credit for not pulling off a complete MacGuyver :heh:

[miroku2192]

I specifically said that the idea of a methane hydrate blast could wipe out a fleet. It's in all likelihood what causes the Bermuda Triangle to be such a dangerous place, for example.

My point being is that the occurrence of such as the way to defeat the previously mentioned fleet at that point in time is retarded beyond all belief.

He's got a map. A PAPER MAP. And a radio. THAT'S IT.

Seriously, people. :twitch:

^1) it's code geass
2) he's lelouche, it's to be expected:eyespin:

almost reminds me of the joke south park (?) made to make fun of family guy (saying that family guy writers get their ideas from seaotters pushing balls that contain words into some container - lawl)

"(paper map) (methane hydrate) (submarine) (radio) (bull$h!7 timing)

[Dann of Thursday]

I know you know that. Anyone who watches anime knows that, though once in a while you get one of those shows that actually follow real Laws. Those are pretty rare though.

[Maes Hughes]

About that, if you go back to episode 5 you'll see that Lulu had requested Laksharta to be sent over from China. So it's not surprising that the submarine appeared, really. Of course, the timing was quite suspect.

Someone else on another forum has said the same thing. I've only watched EP5 once, so it's possible I overlooked it, but I don't recall Lelouch giving any orders involving a submarine appearing when Kallen is falling to her death... What part of EP5 did this order take place?

It's called Character Development.
Those weren't filler memories, they were his real ones, that why Nunnally was in them.

It seemed way too forced to me. I'm expected to believe that seeing some filler characters at filler academy was enough to make Lelouch snap out of his depression/insanity? It didn't come across as believable.

Also, you misunderstood me: I refer to anything involving Ashford as filler.

@ maes,
Although people here seem to be bashing you (idk why? previous threads), you've got some good points and i agree with a few of them

yes, the fanservice is kind of annoying. Lelouche wanting a kiss didn't seem like something he'd normally do...but he almost used refrain, another thing one would think he would never do. I guess that just shows you how different one might become under stress/confusion/depression.
oh and haha, when i saw the preview of villetta in a one piece, i laughed my @$$ off and had the same reaction "oh man, sunrise is really pushing it with the fanservice"...problem is, that's how they're making money. They gotta have people watch it whether we like it or not. It's bearable, and it's fine. It's not completely taking away from the plot.

i'll finish my poitns later, gotta do s0me hw first :X

1: There are many people who bash anyone who goes against the opinion of the majority, commonly known as fanboys.
2: I seem to word things in a way that leads others to believe I'm pushing my opinion on them. I simply prefer not to add "In my opinion" to the beginning of every sentence.
3: KrimzonStriker is an idiot.

Someone suggested that Sunrise have increased the amount of fan service to make up for them not being able to go as far as they could in S1 due to their new timeslot. I personally believe Sunrise are simply desperate for higher ratings.

The fan service really has been excessive so far. Hopefully, once the shit hits the fan towards the end, we'll see much less.

[Dann of Thursday]

Why do we always go back to the pointless insults?

[Blue_Mercy]

Suzaku was in such a hurry to get his battleship guns off, that he didn't check the area. Any half-assed commander can launch missiles on X target.

[Kang Seung Jae]

2: I seem to word things in a way that leads others to believe I'm pushing my opinion on them. I simply prefer not to add "In my opinion" to the beginning of every sentence.

Actually, you word things to make it hard to understand.


3: KrimzonStriker is an idiot.

Perhaps you're overreacting?

[Sterling01]

Actually, you word things to make it hard to understand.




Perhaps you're overreacting?
QFT and 2nd

[JagdPanther]

I would believe that the map would show where such a mining plant would be.
If the flaws in this event aren't apparent to you by now, then there really is no point in me explaining why, via a paper map, this event is about a 1 quadrillion:1 chance.

So I'm just going to stop here and enjoy the fact that there is at least one person on the planet who knows less about the nautical world than I do.

[miroku2192]

haha well it IS a forum, every thread turns into a flamefest :heh:

besides, people have to stop taking everything so seriously

1) it's an opinion
2) this is anime we're talking about
3)...what good is it to throw insults at eachother over the interweb?:eyebrow:

[Maes Hughes]

Actually, you word things to make it hard to understand.



Perhaps you're overreacting?

Explain: My posts seem perfectly clear and understandable to me. What's incomprehensible about my post in this thread?

And, no, I'm not overreacting when the guy has been acting like a deranged fanboy whenever I've posted in every episode discussion to date.

[miroku2192]

If the flaws in this event aren't apparent to you by now, then there really is no point in me explaining why, via a paper map, this event is about a 1 quadrillion:1 chance.

So I'm just going to stop here and enjoy the fact that there is at least one person on the planet who knows less about the nautical world than I do.

haha i totally agree, no offense to the kang sung jae guy...but he's the exact type of guy Sunrise aims at :heh:



edit:
Most importantly, i just feel that if we all come to terms with the fact that, yes, sunrise is doing a cr@pload of fanservice (for money too?), it'll be hard to find an anime that's actually geared towards being excellent in every aspect...making anime is someone's living, and so, when people get desperate...well this is what happens. But if we accept this fact, i guess it's easier to watch S2 without getting all pissed

[JagdPanther]

3)...what good is it to throw insults at eachother over the interweb?:eyebrow:
See, the difference between me and most other people (at least this is how I feel about the subject) is that I don't act differently online. I won't say something here that I wouldn't say to someone's face.

The internet just gives people the ability to say stuff to people that they'd never be man (or woman) enough to say to someone else in the real world.

Hence the internet = insult heaven.

[Dann of Thursday]

Explain: My posts seem perfectly clear and understandable to me. What's incomprehensible about my post in this thread?

And, no, I'm not overreacting when the guy has been acting like a deranged fanboy when I post in every episode discussion to date.

Of course they are understandable to you. You wrote them. I understand them just fine though.

Calling him a deranged fanboy is not really correct. KS just thinks you go a bit too far with your criticism. It's just an opinion.

I've only been slightly disappointed really, but I made sure not to set my hopes to high since that always leads to disappointment in the end.

[gabbytay]

Explain: My posts seem perfectly clear and understandable to me. What's incomprehensible about my post in this thread?

And, no, I'm not overreacting when the guy has been acting like a deranged fanboy whenever I've posted in every episode discussion to date.

Aren't you that one who is clearly acting like a fanboy.

*lurks*

[Maes Hughes]

He can have his opinion, I don't care. What I do care about is that the guy insists on posting about me and attacking my opinion whenever I post - He's seriously annoying.

Don't like my opinion? Ignore me.

[miroku2192]

See, the difference between me and most other people (at least this is how I feel about the subject) is that I don't act differently online. I won't say something here that I wouldn't say to someone's face.

The internet just gives people the ability to say stuff to people that they'd never be man (or woman) enough to say to someone else in the real world.

Hence the internet = insult heaven.

yeah don't get me wrong, i totally understand the internet flaming concept...just trying to throw that out there so that (hopefully) some people will think before they start flaming away

then again, reading all those funny/somewhat witty comments make my day

[Salt]

It seemed way too forced to me. I'm expected to believe that seeing some filler characters at filler academy was enough to make Lelouch snap out of his depression/insanity? It didn't come across as believable.

You are entitled to your opinion I suppose.

It was fine to me. He came to realise that Nunnally isn't the only reason he is doing what he was doing, and for their sake he has to go on.


Also, you misunderstood me: I refer to anything involving Ashford as filler.


So a little "slice of life" action to flesh out all the character's personality = filler ?

I find those parts fairly enjoyable. A nice break from the high tension of the series.

You know I don't know, anime is highly character driven.
If you don't care about such stuff and just want to see stuff blown up, I suggest stuff like Quake 4.

[Sterling01]

Don't like my opinion? Ignore me.

Don't like his opinion? Ignore him

[Kang Seung Jae]

If the flaws in this event aren't apparent to you by now, then there really is no point in me explaining why, via a paper map, this event is about a 1 quadrillion:1 chance.

So I'm just going to stop here and enjoy the fact that there is at least one person on the planet who knows less about the nautical world than I do.

Perhaps that someone who seems knows less about the nautical world than you do does know more about the resource layouts/physics of his side of the world.

I should stop before I should like a snob.


haha i totally agree, no offense to the kang sung jae guy...but he's the exact type of guy Sunrise aims at :heh:

No offense received, although I disagree on the basic thoughts.

[miroku2192]

@maes

just ignore him too...but i still find it funny how everyone seems to be sticking up for the other gun and bashing you.

im not taking any side :uhoh:

[KrimzonStriker]

Someone else on another forum has said the same thing. I've only watched EP5 once, so it's possible I overlooked it, but I don't recall Lelouch giving any orders involving a submarine appearing when Kallen is falling to her death... What part of EP5 did this order take place?

He had her on the way, but he acted a little too soon for her to catch up appropirately because he wanted to rescue his sister as soon as possible maybe? And another thing, the whole scenario with the Guren was already mentioned to have been practiced and studied by Kallen during the fall. If you had enough sense, you'd see that for mid-air combat this would probably be the most expedient and viable means to refit the Guren should it get taken down while in combat now that she has a float system :rolleyes:

It seemed way too forced to me. I'm expected to believe that seeing some filler characters at fill academy was enough to make Lelouch snap out of his depression/insanity? It didn't come across as believable.

Also, you misunderstood me: I refer to anything involving Ashford as filler.

You don't look at it from the context of the story at all do you? Did you even pay attention during episode 12, 13, and 14 honestly? These 'filler' characters mean something to Lelouch so while they might not be important to the overall plot they are important for his character and from his perspective, so yes what they did can believably create enough of an impact to help him recover.

I was right, shortsightedness really is your strong suit isn't it Maes? <_<

1: There are many people who bash anyone who goes against the opinion of the majority, commonly known as fanboys.
2: I seem to word things in a way that leads others to believe I'm pushing my opinion on them. I simply prefer not to add "In my opinion" to the beginning of every sentence.
3: KrimzonStriker is an idiot.

Someone suggested that Sunrise have increased the amount of fan service to make up for them not being able to go as far as they could in S1 due to their new timeslot. I personally believe Sunrise are simply desperate for higher ratings.

The fan service really has been excessive so far. Hopefully, one the shit hits the fan towards the end, we'll see much less.

1. If you came up with something that wasn't close to whining and actually made critical reviews you might not have such a rough time since a valid argument wouldn't have so many holes in it ;)

2. After all that pointless typing you get lazy on that? What fantastic priorities you have, it really speaks of how come your so focused on the fan-service instead of everything else. I take it none of your works must have much substance if they would even require you to write 'in my opinion' for all of them :eyebrow:

3. I'll take that as a compliment as an idiot who has such an introverted logic must have meant it in that context when he calls me an idiot :p

Or maybe if you stopped obsessing over it the fan-service wouldn't be such a problem. It lasts for a few seconds most of the time and yet it eats up about your entire posts, maybe that should tell you about where you should focus your eyes on next time :rolleyes:

[gabbytay]

He can have his opinion, I don't care. What I do care about is that the guy insists on posting about me and attacking my opinion whenever I post - He's seriously annoying.

Don't like my opinion? Ignore me.

Learn how to accept people's criticism. :heh:

[miroku2192]

Perhaps that someone who seems knows less about the nautical world than you do does know more about the resource layouts/physics of his side of the world.

I should stop before I should like a snob.




No offense received, although I disagree on the basic thoughts.

well i guess what im trying to say is, Sunrise would probably prefer those who do NOT question the plotholes and terribly TERRIBLY perfect timing lelouche has

[Sterling01]

well i guess what im trying to say is, Sunrise would probably prefer those who do NOT question the plotholes and terribly TERRIBLY perfect timing lelouche has
What Anime company wouldn't?

[Var]

well i guess what im trying to say is, Sunrise would probably prefer those who do NOT question the plotholes and terribly TERRIBLY perfect timing lelouche has

What book or story, ever, has not had perfect timing? I'm willing to say that just about everyone of them can be said to have had either perfect timing or blatant deus ex machina.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, Taniguchi would rather not have that happen. He's the one in charge after all.

[Maes Hughes]

Learn how to accept people's criticism. :heh:

I have done for many weeks, ignoring all his posts aimed at me. Instead of taking the hint, he kept on aiming posts at me and attempting to piss me off. As much as I like attention, I don't want a male Geasstard stalking me wherever I go.

He simply wants me to stop posting because he believes it's impossible for my opinion to be correct and that I'm somehow determined to hate Code Geass.

[Kang Seung Jae]

well i guess what im trying to say is, Sunrise would probably prefer those who do NOT question the plotholes and terribly TERRIBLY perfect timing lelouche has

Given that Lelouch was supposed to be a strategic master, I would suppose that he would have researched all the areas that the Black Knights are supposed to be hiding.


The only perfect timing I see is his appearing in the scenes by the skin of people's teeth.

[miroku2192]

yep haha.

idk i still find code geass S2 to be pretty amusing, same goes for alot of the other animes out there. I just don't get my hopes too high, and accept what's thrown at me..sorta

maybe it's cuz i haven't watched enough good animes to get really picky, but i don't mind most of the flaws with code geass. Anime is supposed to be different from our world, just a form of entertainment.

[miroku2192]

I have done for many weeks, ignoring all his posts aimed at me. Instead of taking the hint, he kept on aiming posts at me and attempting to piss me off. As much as I like attention, I don't want a male Geasstard stalking me wherever I go.

He simply wants me to stop posting because he believes it's impossible for my opinion to be correct and that I'm somehow determined to hate Code Geass.

lol...just lol

[KrimzonStriker]

Explain: My posts seem perfectly clear and understandable to me. What's incomprehensible about my post in this thread?

And, no, I'm not overreacting when the guy has been acting like a deranged fanboy whenever I've posted in every episode discussion to date.

I make a point to make comments about your posts because as a writer I find your criticisms ill-founded and shallow at best. Really, how you manage to call these critiques or reviews is nothing short of an insult to valid critical reviews everywhere :rolleyes:


He can have his opinion, I don't care. What I do care about is that the guy insists on posting about me and attacking my opinion whenever I post - He's seriously annoying.

Don't like my opinion? Ignore me.

Attack? I call it healthy advise Maes, in the hopes that you might actually learn something from the experience.

Can't really, you keep posting them like they're facts and infecting anyone else with your virus for disillusioned analysis in their future reviews of other series would constitute an unforgivable crime :p

I have done for many weeks, ignoring all his posts aimed at me. Instead of taking the hint, he kept on aiming posts at me and attempting to piss me off. As much as I like attention, I don't want a male Geasstard stalking me wherever I go.

He simply wants me to stop posting because he believes it's impossible for my opinion to be correct and that I'm somehow determined to hate Code Geass.

Yes, I'm outside your door right now, that's how obsessed I am >_>

In any event, my posts seem to have worked if you think that was they're aim. But in retrospect I find that they simply needed a something to balance that negativity surrounding you, in order to avoid giving viewers a misconstrued impression.

Incorrect, I would like it if you could come up with some good and valid posts that actually had something to back them up besides you incessant complaining about likes and dislikes not everyone cares for you to share with them <_<

[X_Danny_X]

well, for romance this episode doesnt prove much since Lulu wasnt himself! he acted like a jerk, trying to inject himself, made a gang act stupid, and force himself on kallen.

plain simple, he wasnt himself and that is all what the writers meant to do, the news of his sister siding against him made him a nutcase and not Zero.

[JagdPanther]

Perhaps that someone who seems knows less about the nautical world than you do does know more about the resource layouts/physics of his side of the world.

I should stop before I should like a snob.
The resource layouts and physics aren't being questioned. I fully understand the concepts being tested in the episode and have no questions or concerns about the feasibility of the event as it pertains to, solely, the sinking of the fleet. You don't seem to get what I am saying, even though I've now said this 3 or 4 times.

I. Am. Not. Questioning. The. Physics. Of. It.

[Kang Seung Jae]

I. Am. Not. Questioning. The. Physics. Of. It.

Understood now; you're questioning only the timing of Lelouch appearing when he did.


Sorry for my slow comprehension.

[gabbytay]

anyway lets stop this bitch fight and be on topic again. (probably the most meaningful thing i said today :heh: )

[miroku2192]

The resource layouts and physics aren't being questioned. I fully understand the concepts being tested in the episode and have no questions or concerns about the feasibility of the event as it pertains to, solely, the sinking of the fleet. You don't seem to get what I am saying, even though I've now said this 3 or 4 times.

I. Am. Not. Questioning. The. Physics. Of. It.

haha just give up:eyespin:

[JagdPanther]

Understood now; you're questioning only the timing of Lelouch appearing when he did.


Sorry for my slow comprehension.
It's all right. Sorry for my irritability. I just get easily frustrated with conveying meaning via the internet and experiencing problems that just aren't present in face-to-face communication.

[KrimzonStriker]

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So on topic, what didn't you like about my own explanation about the situation Jagd :confused:

[Salt]

LOL man, maybe I should stay way from the forums.

All the posts by people nitpicking about insignificant things using weird warped logic is starting to suck all the fun out of watching the show. :heh:

PS: This place is starting to remind me of the WoW forums where reading too much of it will reduce your enjoyment of the game. :p

[miroku2192]

LOL man, maybe I should stay way from the forums.

All the posts by people nitpicking about insignificant things using weird warped logic is starting to suck all the fun out of watching the show. :heh:

PS: This place is starting to remind me of the WoW forums where reading too much of it will reduce your enjoyment of the game. :p

yeah im getting kind of scared...but im sticking with my don't expect too much and just be somewhat happy with what you get. I don't think we'll ever get anything that'll be perfect/near perfection

[Marioshinobi]

Okay.

HERE WHAT YOU BOTH DO: DON'T LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER.

Ugh, I have to see this every code geass episode? =.=

Anyhow, part of me felt like Lelouch should've taken it just for fun xD

I love his evil laugh when he spammed his geass on people.

[Dann of Thursday]

I wonder if that scene with him going crazy with the Geass and laughing about and then moving to C.C. is an indicator of how C.C. has corrupted him.

[KrimzonStriker]

Taken what just for fun? The map? :confused:

[Kang Seung Jae]

Taken what just for fun? The map? :confused:

Probably Refrain.

[JagdPanther]

He had a sub to work with and 6 torpedo's, give him a bit more credit for not pulling off a complete MacGuyver :heh:
Yeah. MacGuyver would've done all that with a row-boat and a shook-up soda can! :D

Macgyver in the Future
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPUUBsVq7-Q)

[Marioshinobi]

Taken what just for fun? The map? :confused:

Oh whoops, I meant the Refrain drug.

sure it would've resulted in him being a druggy like most our rock stars, but thats what leaders do.

/kidding.

[miroku2192]

taken the refrain...like i said, they have to have a special/ova to make fun of scenes such as this one

[JagdPanther]

I love his evil laugh when he spammed his geass on people.
I'm not gonna lie; that was a very entertaining portion of the episode. lol

And Geassing the entire train car so he could be alone.

[Marioshinobi]

At first I thought Lelouch's Geass upgraded when I saw the train operator get geassed by a large mass.

But it was Rollo >>;

being his usual stalker-self...even if he is a watchdog..

[Kang Seung Jae]

I'm not gonna lie; that was a very entertaining portion of the episode. lol

And Geassing the entire train car so he could be alone.

His geass will probably have grown too powerrful for his len if he kept the spamming up >_>

[gabbytay]

I wonder if that scene with him going crazy with the Geass and laughing about and then moving to C.C. is an indicator of how C.C. has corrupted him.

This made me think the C.C is smarter than lelouche and actually the chessmaster.
But why does marriane want lulu alive aside from being his son?:confused:

[KrimzonStriker]

His geass will probably have grown too powerrful for his len if he kept the spamming up >_>

Meh, might be a bad thing might be a good thing, he might finally learn some control the next time <_<

[Dann of Thursday]

This made me think the C.C is smarter than lelouche and actually the chessmaster.
But why does marriane want lulu alive aside from being his son?:confused:

Yeah, I guess Taniguchi abandoned his notes regarding C.C. and her supposed to be not seeming to beat Lelouch in power plays and such. She really only sees him as a thing to be used to her benefit from the looks of that conversation and other factors.

Marianne could very well just want to use him as a tool.

[gabbytay]

Yeah, I guess Taniguchi abandoned his notes regarding C.C. and her supposed to be not seeming to beat Lelouch in power plays and such. She really only sees him as a thing to be used to her benefit from the looks of that conversation and other factors.

Marianne could very well just want to use him as a tool.

I fell sorry for him seeing how he loved her and Created the persona Zero to avenge her and create a peaceful world for nunally. <_<

[KrimzonStriker]

I fell sorry for him seeing how he loved her and Created the persona Zero to avenge her and create a peaceful world for nunally. <_<

Oh save the tears for later, we don't know what she's planning in the end, it could be something good for all we know >_>

[miroku2192]

wait im lost, can someone explain this to me, i think i must've missed an episode or something...


marianne...isn't that lelouche's mom? isn't she dead O_o? so why does C.C. keep mentioning her name like she's alive

[Dann of Thursday]

This was brought up back in season 1. C.C. has been talking to his mom the whole time and is in cahoots with her.

[Kang Seung Jae]

marianne...isn't that lelouche's mom? isn't she dead O_o? so why does C.C. keep mentioning her name like she's alive

I would suspect she's just talking to herself.....


Quite a few people "talk" to dead people while thinking to themselves.

[Salt]

yeah im getting kind of scared...but im sticking with my don't expect too much and just be somewhat happy with what you get. I don't think we'll ever get anything that'll be perfect/near perfection

Ya, with time and budget constraints, occasion corner cutting is inevitable.

I wonder if that scene with him going crazy with the Geass and laughing about and then moving to C.C. is an indicator of how C.C. has corrupted him.

Nah, you are reading too much into it. :heh:

He was just in a very bad mood, and so happen to find some trash he could take it out on. :p

His geass will probably have grown too powerrful for his len if he kept the spamming up >_>

I think it's only a matter of time.

That plot device is bound to get used some time in the future.

[KrimzonStriker]

I would suspect she's just talking to herself.....


Quite a few people "talk" to dead people while thinking to themselves.

The Emperor and the Clovis bit during Turn 5 is an indication to an ability of talking to actual dead people though whenever Geass is related <_<

[gabbytay]

The Emperor and the Clovis bit during Turn 5 being an indication to talking to actual dead people though <_<

nah he's just a senile old man:heh:

[Kang Seung Jae]

The Emperor and the Clovis bit during Turn 5 is an indication to an ability of talking to actual dead people though whenever Geass is related <_<

I think that's something different >_>


After all, Charles was in a place that seems to be outside reality (seriously, having Jupiter in the sky above you seems unreall).

[KrimzonStriker]

nah he's just a senile old man:heh:

I think that's something different >_>


After all, Charles was in a place that seems to be outside reality.



Yeah, but C.C's immortal, and if they're both doing it well... what else can you suspect? Coincidence? :eyebrow:

[orangejuicetang]

The emporer also talked to Clovis sometime during S1. Something about being happy at a beach if I remember correctly, made no sense to me at all.

[Dann of Thursday]

It was confirmed she actually is talking to Marianne.

[Kang Seung Jae]

It was confirmed she actually is talking to Marianne.

Where? In interviews?

[Sterling01]

It was confirmed she actually is talking to Marianne.
When was it?

[Maes Hughes]

So a little "slice of life" action to flesh out all the character's personality = filler ?

S1 was the beginning of the series and the part where I expected to see most of the fluff/filler. I expected S2 to focus on the Zero side, the Ashford side being thrown away due to Lelouch and Zero's identity becoming one... We all know how my expectations were met: A reset and more filler/fan service than ever.

In a series about terrorism, seeing pizza festivals and the man who wants to rule the world cooking at school wasn't what I expected to be seeing 32 episodes in. That sort of thing had its place when we were getting to know the cast and they needed development.

The whole Ashford gang annoy me and, thanks to Shirley's memory being inexplicably erased, all are pointless. Millay is there to be outgoing and has the *slightest* of connections to the plot, Shirley's role in the series is now only to be one of Lelouch's romance options and Rivalz has no place. The sooner they get lost the better Code Geass will be in my eyes.

[miroku2192]

HWAHHHH?

how did i miss this O_O...so marianne...dead alive? c.c. talkign to dead people? or just somehow is secretly communicating...why won't she say anything to lelouche...

*sigh*, again how did i miss something so important...when was the first time C.C. talked to marianne?

[r0cawearz]

Oh my god, when Lulu went emo, I was cynically cracking up, especially when he started injecting those needles. God, such a great inspiration for kids these days.

[arkxkra]

Lelouch plan to taking the refrain, omg, o.O"..

finally, Lelouch is accept Nunally offered, so now Black Knight enemy is who? This decision all the memeber of Black Knight confirm not agree. Lelouch plan to use whole "Japan" to destroy Britanian? or?

[dom33]

After all, Charles was in a place that seems to be outside reality (seriously, having Jupiter in the sky above you seems unreall).

from what I heard the whole sky in that area is painted.

also I'm sorry to anyone I've offended recently, I was being inconsiderate to others.

@arkxkra from the looks of the preview it looks like he's up to something sneaky.

@maes I agree the show has been less serious.

[KrimzonStriker]

Oh my god, when Lulu went emo, I was cynically cracking up, especially when he started injecting those needles. God, such a great inspiration for kids these days.

Hey, they managed to stop him. So it could be a reverse message about saying no if you look at it from that perspective :heh:

S1 was the beginning of the series and the part where I expected to see most of the fluff/filler. I expected S2 to focus on the Zero side, the Ashford side being thrown away due to Lelouch and Zero's identity becoming one... We all know how my expectations were met: A reset and more filler/fan service than ever.

In a series about terrorism, seeing pizza festivals and the man who wants to rule the world cooking at school wasn't what I expected to be seeing 32 episodes in. That sort of thing had its place when we were getting to know the cast and they needed development.

The whole Ashford gang annoy me and, thanks to Shirley's memory being inexplicably erased, all are pointless. Millay is there to be outgoing and has the *slightest* of connections to the plot, Shirley's role in the series is now only to be one of Lelouch's romance options and Rivalz has no place. The sooner they get lost the better Code Geass will be in my eyes.

Maes does not have a sense of humor apparently, or an ability to appreciate the contrast of the lighter side of life in comparison to the dark drama surrounding them... >_>

[Dann of Thursday]

HWAHHHH?

how did i miss this O_O...so marianne...dead alive? c.c. talkign to dead people? or just somehow is secretly communicating...why won't she say anything to lelouche...

*sigh*, again how did i miss something so important...when was the first time C.C. talked to marianne?

Unknown if she is alive or dead, though I'm leaning towards the latter. I want her to be dead actually. Marianne has her reasons, though I bet they aren't exactly good ones to him.

Episode 6 I think. We didn't know it was Marianne until 23. She also has talked to V.V. on one occasion and an unknown third person.

[KrimzonStriker]

Unknown if she is alive or dead, though I'm leaning towards the latter. I want her to be dead actually. Marianne has her reasons, though I bet they aren't exactly good ones to him.

Episode 6 I think. We didn't know it was Marianne until 23. She also has talked to V.V. on one occasion and an unknown third person.

Oh c'mon, don't go judging her like that when we have no idea what she's actually planning in the end. She could be like Lelouch and aim for noble goals with some harsh but necessary means >_>

[Maes Hughes]

HWAHHHH?

how did i miss this O_O...so marianne...dead alive? c.c. talkign to dead people? or just somehow is secretly communicating...why won't she say anything to lelouche...

*sigh*, again how did i miss something so important...when was the first time C.C. talked to marianne?

It occurred near the end of S1, happening in a very similar way to how it happened in EP7. It was impossible to understand anything apart from the obvious: C.C. can talk to the dead or Lelouch's mother is still alive and they share some sort of psychic connection.

[Sterling01]

Episode 6 I think. We didn't know it was Marianne until 23. She also has talked to V.V. on one occasion and an unknown third person.

She could just be talking to herself.

[Aspartate]

HWAHHHH?
how did i miss this O_O...so marianne...dead alive? c.c. talkign to dead people? or just somehow is secretly communicating...why won't she say anything to lelouche...
*sigh*, again how did i miss something so important...when was the first time C.C. talked to marianne?The first time C.C. addressed Marianne by name was Stage 23, after comforting Lelouch.
But the first time she talked to Marianne in front of our eyes was Stage 7, when Lelouch was in Saitama trying to get Cornelia. Her line ("It run in the veins"... something like that.) is referring to both Charlies and Marianne.

C.C. was talking to V.V. in Stage 19, in the submarine.
And she also talked with a third person before that. (Likely to be Stage 13, as hinted in DS game.)

These are all confirmed by FO.

[orangejuicetang]

Then would that make C.C. Lelouch's mother?

[Dann of Thursday]

She could just be talking to herself.

Okouchi and several other sources confirmed she is actually talking to people. She's not talking to thin air.

Then would that make C.C. Lelouch's mother?

No, not at all. They are seperate people entirely.

[miroku2192]

Unknown if she is alive or dead, though I'm leaning towards the latter. I want her to be dead actually. Marianne has her reasons, though I bet they aren't exactly good ones to him.

Episode 6 I think. We didn't know it was Marianne until 23. She also has talked to V.V. on one occasion and an unknown third person.

what a douchee, she should tell lelouche :( oh man that rhymes...*sigh*

anyway, i don't understand why C.C. is so secretive. She seems to enjoy having Lelouche, and seems to have feelings for him, so why keep so much from him?

[miroku2192]

Then would that make C.C. Lelouch's mother?

what...? where did you get THAT from...unless you're trying to say, that in this case, C.C. could be Lelouche's mother in the sense that she can convey messages back and forth? but the way you word it, that certainly doesn't seem like what i thought

[gabbytay]

what a douchee, she should tell lelouche :( oh man that rhymes...*sigh*

anyway, i don't understand why C.C. is so secretive. She seems to enjoy having Lelouche, and seems to have feelings for him, so why keep so much from him?

It's probably one of those that "its not the right time" to let him into the loop crap.

[Dann of Thursday]

There are reasons why I guess, though time will tell if they are sinister or not.

She's secretive for what is probably a number of reasons. Maybe him knowing the truth would make him not want anything to do with her or maybe she has just become this way after what she has been through and has trouble trusting people. No indications she has feelings for him either.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Okouchi and several other sources confirmed she is actually talking to people. She's not talking to thin air.

Interesting.....

[miroku2192]

no indications of feelings? she kissed him....she's always happy when he shows up.

idk about you but that gives off the vibes of "i like you, or sorta like you"

[Dann of Thursday]

She seems to mainly talk with Marianne, with her talking to V.V. once in 19, and an unknown person in episode 13. The unknown is someone I am curious about.

no indications of feelings? she kissed him....she's always happy when he shows up.

idk about you but that gives off the vibes of "i like you, or sorta like you"

Kisses were confirmed to be just business. Not always happy. Only time was 7.

[KrimzonStriker]

Interesting.....

So, does that mean the Emperor can do so as well? Perhaps we'll see a reunion between mother and son eventually? ;) Hope they pick out a voice-actress for Marianne soon though :heh:

[Dann of Thursday]

I wonder if Taniguchi hasn't already done so. Maybe not though. Hope the reunion goes well.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

She seems to mainly talk with Marianne, with her talking to V.V. once in 19, and an unknown person in episode 13. The unknown is someone I am curious about.



Judging from the conversation the person on the other end seemed to be "teasing" her.

Could be Charles:heh:

[Kang Seung Jae]

So, does that mean the Emperor can do so as well?

Perhaps that's part of his Geass's powers?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Perhaps that's part of his Geass's powers?

Well he DID tell his subordinate that he was just talking to Clovis.

That's probably where he found out that Lelouch was starting a rebellion, hence his speech about how the death of Clovis was proof that Britannia was evolving (Since lelouch murdered his older brother).

[Dann of Thursday]

I don't think it is myself, though it could be just something Geass users can do. V.V. could have been helping with that too.

[KrimzonStriker]

Judging from the conversation the person on the other end seemed to be "teasing" her.

Could be Charles:heh:

Actually, I think the only time we ever hear of this mysterious third person is when it wasn't even noticeable, during the reminiscing scene about Lelouch's words by C.C in Stage 13. in the DS game Apparently he/she said something like

"Not dislike means like right? So what are you going to do?"

And she goes on about not repeating the same mistakes like with Mao

[DeotoxSlayer]

Where? In interviews?

It's been revealed that she's been talking to Marianne in Episode 23 of the first Season. It has also been revealed in interviews that she was talking to V.V, and a mysterious 3rd person in a instances.

[Dann of Thursday]

Judging from the conversation the person on the other end seemed to be "teasing" her.

Could be Charles:heh:

The one in 13? I wasn't sure whether they were being playful or not. I don't really think it is Charles. It would be a surprise that is for sure.

[Lowell1025]

Forget about the show. How people on this forum bite teeth at each other is much more entertaining :heh:

[Koshimizu]

So, does that mean the Emperor can do so as well? Perhaps we'll see a reunion between mother and son eventually? ;) Hope they pick out a voice-actress for Marianne soon though :heh:Yep. The Emperor can do that. He had a chat with Clovis on the beach in Ep6.
PASH magazine also told us that they seem to communicate through the same place. (Not sure if they can hear each other... although I think it'll be quite inconvenient if everything is on open channel.)

[Dann of Thursday]

It is also worth noting that they brought up the issue of her talking to people in one of the DVD magazines. I think it was the second one.

[Koshimizu]

The one in 13? I wasn't sure whether they were being playful or not. I don't really think it is Charles. It would be a surprise that is for sure.He's pretty nice to Nunnally this episode. :D
But yeah. It'll be weird if he tease C.C. XD

[Lowell1025]

It's been revealed that she's been talking to Marianne in Episode 23 of the first Season. It has also been revealed in interviews that she was talking to V.V, and a mysterious 3rd person in a instances.

Well, I wonder why is that Lelouch staying alive is more important than anything else to C.C (She said it couple of times already).

Can someone connect the dots already given and try to form a picture?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

The one in 13? I wasn't sure whether they were being playful or not. I don't really think it is Charles. It would be a surprise that is for sure.

My bad I was confusing that conversation with another.

He's pretty nice to Nunnally this episode.

Yeah that surprised me too.

Everyone was talking about the Emperor being evil, feeding lies to Nunnally and manipulating her yet so far(including VV's comments) it seems he's just letting her do whatever she wants.

I mean he literally asked her why she volunteered to become the governor of Japan despite the fact that Zero has resurrected there.

[Sterling01]

After watching Ep 7 again this (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm3336169) seem much more funny

[Dann of Thursday]

He's pretty nice to Nunnally this episode. :D
But yeah. It'll be weird if he tease C.C. XD

Hmm, that was weird of him. Does he actually care or is it just an act?

He doesn't seem the type for teasing, that is for sure.

Well, I wonder why is that Lelouch staying alive is more important than anything else to C.C (She said it couple of times already).

Can someone connect the dots already given and try to form a picture?

Becuase him dying means he can't fufill the contract. It's rather simple really.

My bad I was confusing that conversation with another.

Oh, OK. No problem.

[Koshimizu]

Well, I wonder why is that Lelouch staying alive is more important than anything else to C.C (She said it couple of times already). 1. To fulfill the contract.
2. To pay her pizza bills. j/k

[Lowell1025]

1. To fulfill the contract.
2. To pay her pizza bills. j/k

I know about the contract, but what is the contract, I dont remember it being fully explained :uhoh:

Mao would have loved to pay all of C.C's pizza bills, much more so than Lelouch XD

[Dann of Thursday]

It never was explained. I don't even know if Lelouch knows the details.

[fruitcage]

2. To pay her pizza bills. j/k

I wonder how much pizza CC ate between R1 and R2. :heh:

[Dann of Thursday]

She may not have had time. I haven't seen her eat any in R2 so far.

[Koshimizu]

I know about the contract, but what is the contract, I dont remember it being fully explained :uhoh:Because it's never explained. Not even hints AFAIK.
Everytime Lelouch tries to ask, C.C. simply refuses to answer.

[Dann of Thursday]

And yet he just lets it go. He should try again since she is starting to be a bit more free with information.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I wonder how much pizza CC ate between R1 and R2. :heh:

She has probably been a constant drain on the Order's budget :uhoh:

[Dann of Thursday]

Or she may never have had time. She hasn't been shown eating any in R2 after all.

[fruitcage]

She has probably been a constant drain on the Order's budget :uhoh:

Its on the house. ;)

Or she may never have had time. She hasn't been shown eating any in R2 after all.

True, its only been Ads here and there and Cheese-kun.

[Lowell1025]

Because it's never explained. Not even hints AFAIK.
Everytime Lelouch tries to ask, C.C. simply refuses to answer.

uh, going back to what I said about "connect the dots and form a picture". Between whats shown about C.C all these episodes, the nature of the geases, what the emperor said, and how this show has turned out until now, I think one can at least draw some wild speculations?

[Lowell1025]

Or she may never have had time. She hasn't been shown eating any in R2 after all.

actually, after that gigantic pizza got ruined back in R1 I don't remember she was ever shown eating pizza again.

Probably still suffering from after effect? :heh:

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

actually, after that gigantic pizza got ruined back in R1 I don't remember she was ever shown eating pizza again.

Probably still suffering from after effect? :heh:

Good point, at this point she might not be satisfied by anything less than the biggest/best pizza in the world :heh:

[Koshimizu]

And yet he just lets it go. He should try again since she is starting to be a bit more free with information.The last time he had a great chance, yet he had to swiftly push her into a tomato truck. XD


uh, going back to what I said about "connect the dots and form a picture". Between whats shown about C.C all these episodes, the nature of the geases, what the emperor said, and how this show has turned out until now, I think one can at least draw some wild speculations?The Emperor wants to kill god/gods. he need C.C.
So...
1) C.C. is needed to finish the Sword of Akasha.
2) He want to test the sword on C.C.... If he didn't call V.V. "nii-san" with a sweet smile, I want to say he could test on V.V. :heh:
3) Whatever reason he need C.C. for, C.C. doesn't want to help.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

The last time he had a great chance, yet he had to swiftly push her into a tomato truck. XD


The Emperor wants to kill god/gods. he need C.C.
So...
1) C.C. is needed to finish the Sword of Akasha.
2) He want to test the sword on C.C.... If he didn't call V.V. "nii-san" with a sweet smile, I want to say he could test on V.V. :heh:
3) Whatever reason he need C.C. for, C.C. doesn't want to help.

I dunno because as we saw, the special forces shot her (So their orders must've been Shoot to Kill).

[Kang Seung Jae]

I dunno because as we saw, the special forces shot her (So their orders must've been Shoot to Kill).

It was "get her dead or alive."

[Koshimizu]

I dunno because as we saw, the special forces shot her (So their orders must've been Shoot to Kill).I suspect that their order was to kill her, pack her, and send her to Britannia (or a nearer location, like Kaminejima, if it's connected).
But the Baron got carried away and wasted too much time on Lelouch. So they didn't have time to pack before she came to. :D

[MonkeyDude]

Quick question...

I just noticed something while skimming through the episode. Shouldn't Suzaku refer to himself as 'ore' rather than 'boku' if he did indeed revert back to his old self? I always thought that 'boku' was post patricide and 'ore' was prior to that.

[Lowell1025]

The last time he had a great chance, yet he had to swiftly push her into a tomato truck. XD

it's not a tomato truck....its a truck full of tomatoes :heh:
Think she'll develop tomoatophobia after that? XD

BUt this C.C's contract is really bugging me. Apparently Lelouch don't need to do much besides staying alive if we take C.C's word for it this episode.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I just noticed something while skimming through the episode. Shouldn't Suzaku refer to himself as 'ore' rather than 'boku' if he did indeed revert back to his old self? I always thought that 'boku' was post patricide and 'ore' was prior to that.

Hmm, in the picture drama, Suzaku apparently says
"Lelouch...to me, a person who was tied up with his upbringing, you were the man who became my(boku) first enemy...and my(ore) worst friend....".
So perhaps, his "boku" is a refernce to his past self for a lack of better description (sort of) while "ore" (the more masculine way of saying "me") refers to his new, more harsher self.. :uhoh:

[Aquaman OS]

Quick question...

I just noticed something while skimming through the episode. Shouldn't Suzaku refer to himself as 'ore' rather than 'boku' if he did indeed revert back to his old self? I always thought that 'boku' was post patricide and 'ore' was prior to that.

No he's back to boku now. He has the ore attitude but is back to boku. Maybe its habit or he's trying to sound polite as a knight.

[Lowell1025]

I suspect that their order was to kill her, pack her, and send her to Britannia (or a nearer location, like Kaminejima, if it's connected).
But the Baron got carried away and wasted too much time on Lelouch. So they didn't have time to pack before she came to. :D

Nay, the emperor probably knows C.C wont die from a shot or two. Anycase I hope we won't have A.A or B.B or some other crazy gease granting dude pop up later in the show..2's already enough

[tenken627]

it's not a tomato truck....its a truck full of tomatoes :heh:
Think she'll develop tomoatophobia after that? XD

BUt this C.C's contract is really bugging me. Apparently Lelouch don't need to do much besides staying alive if we take C.C's word for it this episode.

Yeah, C.C. doesn't really care what Lelouch does. He can lead a revolt against Britannia or run a Pizza Hut store, it doesn't matter to her or her contract. (Well... maybe the Pizza Hut store will matter to her... just a little.)

Pretty much Lelouch's contract obligation is set for a certain time or event in the future. It doesn't have to do anything with a rebellion. She just needs to keep Lulu alive until that event/time comes, whatever it is.

I'm not sure if Marianne has anything to do with the contract.

[KrimzonStriker]

Perhaps it's until his Geass becomes stronger that he'll be ready for it maybe? The power is connected to the contract after all right? :confused:

[Kang Seung Jae]

Yeah, C.C. doesn't really care what Lelouch does. He can lead a revolt against Britannia or run a Pizza Hut store, it doesn't matter to her or her contract. (Well... maybe the Pizza Hut store will matter to her... just a little.)

*Cracks up*

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Yeah, C.C. doesn't really care what Lelouch does. He can lead a revolt against Britannia or run a Pizza Hut store, it doesn't matter to her or her contract. (Well... maybe the Pizza Hut store will matter to her... just a little.)

Pretty much Lelouch's contract obligation is set for a certain time or event in the future. It doesn't have to do anything with a rebellion. She just needs to keep Lulu alive until that event/time comes, whatever it is.

I'm not sure if Marianne has anything to do with the contract.

What is there something inside of him that's incubating? ANd when it's ready it'll burst out of his chest?:heh:

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

What is there something inside of him that's incubating? ANd when it's ready it'll burst out of his chest?:heh:

No bad-tasting Alien jokes here, thank you :rolleyes:

[KrimzonStriker]

Well, to a point that comparison has merit because like I said before, it'll probably be tied in with his Geass and how it grows from this point on, that's also essential to the contract from the looks of it >_>

[SoldierOfDarkness]

No bad-tasting Alien jokes here, thank you :rolleyes:

Cleary you've never seen Shrek 2....

Eitherway the question then becomes if this "event" has anything to do with what VV and Charles are planning.

Or these Geass users are pawns to be used for the upcoming event and each one has a part to play in it.

it'll probably be tied in with his Geass and how it grows from this point on, that's also essential to the contract from the looks of it >_>

Which of course comes the part about mastering that power.

[Lowell1025]

No bad-tasting Alien jokes here, thank you :rolleyes:

What makes you so sure that it'll be an alien that burst out of the chest? Maybe it'll be love XD

[Koshimizu]

What is there something inside of him that's incubating? ANd when it's ready it'll burst out of his chest?:heh:Umm... that reminds me of a scene in Nightmare of Nunnally... When Mao tries to break the contract between Nunnally and her contractor.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Well, to a point that comparison has merit because like I said before, it'll probably be tied in with his Geass and how it grows from this point on, that's also essential to the contract from the looks of it >_>

Well, it has been said that "the power of Geass has something to do with the very existence of humankind and can be used to destroy or transform just about anything." - if that is indeed true, then Geass might very well be a power whose "true power" exceed that of the "mind-tricks" that the Geasses we see are capable of doing - which probably doesn't bode well for Lelouch..

[KrimzonStriker]

Well, it has been said that "the power of Geass has something to do with the very existence of humankind and can be used to destroy or transform just about anything." - if that is indeed true, then Geass might very well be a power whose "true power" exceed that of the "mind-tricks" that the Geasses we see are capable of doing - which probably doesn't bode well for Lelouch..

Or it could send him off into godhood, who knows at this point? Still, as I was saying Geass seems to be the essential component and probably what it can do in order to achieve the objective of the contract, whatever that might be in any event... >_>

[tenken627]

Well, we know that Lelouch hasn't fulfilled the contract yet.

We know that C.C. is interested in Lelouch as a person and his rebellion, but it doesn't matter to her contract.

We know that C.C. wants to keep Lelouch alive.

It could be like you say and that she is waiting for Lelouch to gain power and control over his Geass. But, what for?

She could also be waiting for something specific to happen. But, what?

Either way, C.C. is waiting for something, and it's probably something that we don't know about yet. And the way things are going, it doesn't seem like C.C. herself knows when that will happen.

*Cracks up*

You know, instead of being Lelouch's right arm within the Black Knights, C.C. would be Lelouch's Assistant Manager if Lelouch ran a Pizza Hut instead of a rebellion.

[KrimzonStriker]

Yeah right, she'd eat up all the profits with those kind of privileges. I could see Rolo being the best Pizza delivery boy ever though :p

[Koshimizu]

It could be like you say and that she is waiting for Lelouch to gain power and control over his Geass. But, what for?Waiting for Charles to finish the Thought Elevator and take over it? :heh:

[Lowell1025]

Yeah right, she'd eat up all the profits with those kind of privileges. I could see Rolo being the best Pizza delivery boy ever though :p

Right, Rolo doesn't need to use his gease for assassination anymore, he could just put poison in those pizzas instead. Beware! The most dangerous assassin in the world, Rolo the pizza delivery boy! :heh:

But C.C'd probably put the worst curse she can muster onto Rolo for defiling pizza if that were to happen XD

Hum, great side story material XXD

[Kaioshin Sama]

I have done for many weeks, ignoring all his posts aimed at me. Instead of taking the hint, he kept on aiming posts at me and attempting to piss me off. As much as I like attention, I don't want a male Geasstard stalking me wherever I go.

He simply wants me to stop posting because he believes it's impossible for my opinion to be correct and that I'm somehow determined to hate Code Geass.

I love how you bash the hell out of this show constantly but when somebody criticizes your posts for short sightedness and not at all understanding the episodes you get all whiny. You get what you give Maes Hughes. ;)

[KrimzonStriker]

Right, Rolo doesn't need to use his gease anymore. He could just put poison in those pizzas instead :heh:

Not quite what I meant, and I don't know if that would qualify much in the way of customer satisfaction but they might be able to pass it off as a new topping if they're lucky :D

[Koshimizu]

Right, Rolo doesn't need to use his gease for assassination anymore. He could just put poison in those pizzas instead :heh:Or hire Cecil to create new toppings. :heh:

[KrimzonStriker]

Or hire Cecil to create new toppings. :heh:

That would be worse then any poison imaginable :uhoh:

[Lowell1025]

Or hire Cecil to create new toppings. :heh:

Lelouch via Britania AKA zero as manager, C.C the mysterious witch as supervisor, Rolo the assassin as delivery boy, and Cecil the sandwitch defiler as main chef...add in Charles the emperor as regional customer representative , Suzaku the knight of 7 as store janitor, Larkasha and Lloyd in charge of oven equipments....and you've got one heck of a pizza hut that no customer will get out alive:heh:

[tenken627]

Hey, if any customers had any complaints with the pizzas, Lelouch could finally put his Geass to good use for once and make them change their minds.

[Lowell1025]

Hey, if any customers had any complaints with the pizzas, Lelouch could finally put his Geass to good use for once and make them change their minds.

actually thats where Charles comes in as customer representative. Should customer go complain, Charles simply rewrites their memory......a pizza mafia family....LOL

[FuzzyWuzzy]

WOW so many bad jokes.... I don't even know what to say or do other than pointing them out.

[tenken627]

WOW so many bad jokes.... I don't even know what to say or do other than pointing them out.

You can always join by posting some bad jokes yourself. :D

[Lowell1025]

WOW so many bad jokes.... I don't even know what to say or do other than pointing them out.

Well, you can ask to start a "Code gease bad joke thread" :heh:

Anyway I am kind of hyper tonight. Maybe I shouldn't have ate a whole watermelon for dinner.....

[Whitemoon648]

Well, you can ask to start a "Code gease bad joke thread" :heh:

Anyway I am kind of hyper tonight. Maybe I shouldn't have ate a whole watermelon for dinner.....

Yum *_*.

Ok lets get back to the topic.

Not a kallen fan, But kalen was so HOT in this episode :naughty: .


Edit: Kinda a fan, but no one can beat C.C. in R2 .

Edit2: well maybe kallen in this episode. Maybe a little :D.

[Witacume]

Yum *_*.

Ok lets get back to the topic.

Not a kallen fan, But kalen was so HOT in this episode :naughty: .


Edit: Kinda a fan, but no one can beat C.C. in R2 .

Edit2: well maybe kallen in this episode. Maybe a little :D.

lol i am a Kallen fan and you are right that was ravishing in this episode.

[Cyz]

This probably my least favorite ep. so far. After seeing the past episodes IMO, it could be a little better. But, I guess Lelouch does need some head clearing once in a while :heh:. Kaguya's self proclaimed "wife of Zero" is amusing and also that part where she said she, C.C, and Kallen were court ladies -- that made me laugh :blush:. I'm still impressed of Lelouch's tactical ability and the fact that he (as Zero) was respected well by Japanese people and they actually hated Suzaku for turning him over to the Britannians.

:topicoff: It's a little wierd now since I'm also watching Special A and whenever I hear Lelouch's voice, it reminds me of Kei (who has Jun Fukuyama too as a VA). Too bad Lelouch doesn't give that evil sacrastically glare like Kei does :heh: but that would be downright stupid if they did

[Kang Seung Jae]

Hey, if any customers had any complaints with the pizzas, Lelouch could finally put his Geass to good use for once and make them change their minds.

I think Geassing people to order pizza everyday would be a more effecient use.

[Freya]

lulu should go to Dominoes and Round Tables and Papa Johns and Geass them all to merge with Pizza Hut and then give all shares to lulu. ultimate pizza chain

[Spectacular_Insanity]

OMG! Lelouch had an emo moment! XD Just kidding. The scene with Kallen made me a bit... uncomfortable, though. :heh: Same with the Rollo-Lelouch scene. *shudders*

Rollo is still an enigma to me. I just can't figure him out.

And the Emperor is bashing the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the BIBLE now? Someone turn me into a cartoon so I can jump into the world of Code Geass and strangle him. (Well, then again, that would be breaking the Ten Commandments, now wouldn't it..... Oh well, it would be worth it.)

[Anh_Minh]

Things to admire:
- Charles' honnesty. "We are a nation of murderers and thieves, and enjoying every moment of it!"
- Lelouch's brazenness. *destroys a Britanian fleet* "Suzaku, don't shoot! From now on, we're on the same side."
- Kaguya's willingness to have a foursome.


I have to say, though, Lelouch's "tactics" are starting to get stale. They depend entirely on the Britanian willingness to install self-destruct devices and stand on them to do battle. I guess if the writers ever run out of ideas, they'll start including chest-explosives in their standard equipment, and Lelouch will be able to geass the detonation codes out of some junior clerk.

Though I suppose we have to applaud Lelouch's foresight for finding out about the submarine equivalent of the Britanian dropping platforms. Unless he just googled it before going...

[Maes Hughes]

I love how you bash the hell out of this show constantly but when somebody criticizes your posts for short sightedness and not at all understanding the episodes you get all whiny. You get what you give Maes Hughes. ;)

I love how you support someone, copying the words they use, simply because you disagree with my opinion. Seriously, grow up.

There's a thing called respect. My episode posts are articulate and well thought out, unlike the huge amount of "lolz 10/10, lelouchxkallen me so horny" posts, yet he throws his dummy out over me taking the time to my share my honest opinion every week due to him believing I'm somehow forcing my opinion on others by posting my opinion on a message board, resorting to childish e-stalking.

Yes, I don't add 'in my opinion' to every paragraph and my posts are a little harsh at times, but that's because I don't see the need to do so when my posts are obviously all opinion and my annoyances with the episodes are still fresh when I post. It's ridiculous to claim I'm stating my opinions as facts - I'm simply not considering the feelings of Geass fanboys when I post.

Also, it's fair to say none of you understand human psychology: People openly attacking and causing a fuss over someone like me makes them more determined to keep coming back. It's fairly obvious that silence would the best option against someone who takes the time to post lengthy posts about each episode and responses would cause the opposite effect.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Though I suppose we have to applaud Lelouch's foresight for finding out about the submarine equivalent of the Britanian dropping platforms. Unless he just googled it before going...

I vote for the latter. Probably where he got most of his strategies from. Hey, "if it ain't broke..." :rolleyes:

[The Chaos]

This Ep Was Kinda Looked Good to me ...But Poor Lulu I Wish He Can Save Nunnally Before She Turn To Second Euphi :upset:

[Jestersage]

And the Emperor is bashing the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the BIBLE now? Someone turn me into a cartoon so I can jump into the world of Code Geass and strangle him. (Well, then again, that would be breaking the Ten Commandments, now wouldn't it..... Oh well, it would be worth it.)

He said his contract is to kill God. While it could be ambigious as to which god he means, it does show his intent.

And irionically, they call themselfs holy britannia Empire...

[Kaioshin Sama]

[FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"]I love how you support someone, copying the words they use, simply because you disagree with my opinion. Seriously, grow up.

Okay, look....son, I'm supporting him because he has a point about you. You've yet to say one good thing about the series so far. You are literally contributing absolutely nothing but whining. You also have no concept of the term opinion as you are blaming the writers for something that is essentially your own misgivings. As such it's like your forcing your opinion on the rest of the board by blaming the show itself instead of just saying you didn't like it. Most of what you are complaining about has nothing to do with the writing, but rather your own perception of it. A slight change of attititude to confirm that it is you who are not enjoying the episode, and not the writers who are making it unenjoyable (as many of us do enjoy the storyline) would, and I guarantee this, make your posts much better received by the community.

There's a thing called respect. My episode posts are articulate and well thought out, unlike the huge amount of "lolz 10/10, lelouchxkallen me so horny" posts, yet he throws his dummy out over me taking the time to my share my honest opinion every week due to him believing I'm somehow forcing my opinion on others by posting my opinion on a message board, resorting to childish e-stalking.

Says......you? While I agree that the 10/10 posts for minor events is worthy of eyerolling, don't go patting yourself on the back just yet before reading what others have to offer in the positive. A little less overwhelming arrogance will also go a long way. You shoot yourself in the foot with that kind of attitude.

Yes, I don't add 'in my opinion' to every paragraph and my posts are a little harsh at times, but that's because I don't see the need to do so when my posts are obviously all opinion and my annoyances with the episodes are still fresh when I post. It's ridiculous to claim I'm stating my opinions as facts - I'm simply not considering the feelings of Geass fanboys when I post.

See above where you blame the writers and fanboys for everything you don't like about the show. It's rather immature and childish, and I don't mean that as a snipe or smug comeback, I really mean it. 5 year olds blame their own tantrums on other people, not teenagers and grown adults like us.

Also, it's fair to say none of you understand human psychology: People openly attacking and causing a fuss over someone would make like me makes them more determined to keep coming back. It's fairly obvious that silence would be the best option against someone who takes the time to post lengthy posts about each episode and responses cause the opposite effect.

Well you don't seem to understand human psychology either as you've missed the obvious reasons behind why the characters have acted in the ways they have and instead called it poor writing. You don't even seem to realize your own hypocrisy in crying foul to people lambasting your posts when you've pretty much insulted everyone elses intelligence by claiming we are all fanboys who will like a show with poor writing and raged against the writers of the show in a far more insulting manner then people are taking to your posts. I know how it all goes, because I myself have made that unfortunate mistake in the past and was rightfully disliked and reviled for it. I'd share a story, but this is already off topic as it is.

In short, cut the arrogance, maybe add something positive to the conversation or raise a question instead of assuming you are right about absolutely everything as I can guarantee you're not. and watch people instantly become more accepting and respectful. As the age old saying goes, respect needs to be earned, not given, and right now you aren't helping your case at all.

Anyway, my Episode 06 post is up (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/code-geass-r2-episode-6-pacific-surprise-attack-operation-or-loli-bonanza/) to be followed by a take on this episode tomorrow. I planned to do a double feature, but it will have to wait till tomorrow as Wordpress keeps glitching and eating my work. Sorry.

[Z3120]

Was actually hoping Lelouch went through with his downward moment before Kallen came and injected himself with refrain. I would love to have seen a glimpse Marianne.

[Ice_Bullet]

Z3120 u haven't see marianne before? watch season 1.

just watched the episode. good overall. however, lelouch seems like he was using karen for that moment. he said "thats what woman are good for right?". it made me very very uncomfortable.... anyway C.C and kaguya are cute in this episode XD. karen is hot as usual.

i don't get it though. what did they blow up? a steamer? =| it seems that most of OotBK members are unhappy about the new merging plan... i think some of them will leave and some will oppose him... hmm.. looks like in the preview that many of the OotBK members are getting ready arms =\.. wonder whats that all about

[Freya]

no i doubt any of them will defect. They have absolute loyalty to Zero.

[Cyz]

But you know, Lelouch was only doing this joining thing for Nunally and not for the Britannia's good. I don't think they will ever let their guard this time around. From the looks of it, they come prepared for unsuspecting ambushes. Can't trust Britannia after all :p And also, Zero is still a threat to Britannia so I doubt they will sit quietly with this one.

[Kang Seung Jae]

I have to say, though, Lelouch's "tactics" are starting to get stale. They depend entirely on the Britanian willingness to install self-destruct devices and stand on them to do battle. I guess if the writers ever run out of ideas, they'll start including chest-explosives in their standard equipment, and Lelouch will be able to geass the detonation codes out of some junior clerk.

Though I suppose we have to applaud Lelouch's foresight for finding out about the submarine equivalent of the Britanian dropping platforms. Unless he just googled it before going...

To tell the truth, I would say no one would have even guessed that the Black Knights would have tried to make a methane hydrate mining site explode and send the gas rushing out like that.


It's the same with the platforms: No sane military leader would have considered that people could be Geassed to commit such "insane" acts as dropping the platforms when there is no earthquake.

[Anh_Minh]

To tell the truth, I would say no one would have even guessed that the Black Knights would have tried to make a methane hydrate mining site explode and send the gas rushing out like that.

Why the hell not? At best, you could forgive the guy for not knowing of what would happen if you do that.

It's the same with the platforms: No sane military leader would have considered that people could be Geassed to commit such "insane" acts as dropping the platforms when there is no earthquake.
Even without geass, why not fear some kind of quick assault, or bribery, or blackmail? Especially if it's already happened once?


edit: but my point was really more "Wow, and they just happened to stand on a platform." "Wow, and there just happened to be a gas mining plant".

[D a m i e n]

i was pretty much disappointed by this episode, unless something really big happen i wont like the direction where it s heading.
i dont like a lelouch going softcore making compromise. the easiest way to put him back on the track of his revenge path is one where nunnaly is removed from the casting.
now who will do the dirty job china or brits, both could involves a teamup between lelouch and suzaku to have revenge.
i hope lelouch will create a situation where brits are the bad guys to open nunally's eye but i doubt he could deceive her more than he already did.

the only thing i noticed in this eps was the CC was adressing to herself as marriane when she doing her dual personnality monologue.
kallen wasnt used as just fanservice material but she actually showed so personnality... well that was a surprise for once.

[Whitemoon648]

Things to admire:
- Charles' honnesty. "We are a nation of murderers and thieves, and enjoying every moment of it!"


I think he was just trying to promote the survival of the fittest idea. Well the emperor is a jerk to be honest.


- Lelouch's brazenness. *destroys a Britanian fleet* "Suzaku, don't shoot! From now on, we're on the same side."


Well it was an act of self-defense. Britanian fleet tried to destroy them, and he defended his OoBK . I mean he couldnt just come out suddenly like that and then say that. THey would probably shoot his Knighmare down. He had to disable their fireing power so that he could come out.

- Kaguya's willingness to have a foursome.


I think she just doesnt mind the competition :heh:.




I have to say, though, Lelouch's "tactics" are starting to get stale. They depend entirely on the Britanian willingness to install self-destruct devices and stand on them to do battle. I guess if the writers ever run out of ideas, they'll start including chest-explosives in their standard equipment, and Lelouch will be able to geass the detonation codes out of some junior clerk.

Ok, i want to remind you this is an anime., a fictional story and every anime has it's plot. Also i think what the writers are doing are so far fine. Lulu is a strategist. He is smart and use that to his advantage. He has been doing that since the very second episode of season 1. Like using their radars against them, Or when they were in that mountain area ( episode 11 in season 1), He used explosion and used the mountain to his advantage.

He uses the map of battlefield to his advantage. Its as simple as that.

What he used in this episode followed the law of physics and chemistry. He basically used the surrounding , mixed with some laws of physics/chemistry and defeated them.

Though I suppose we have to applaud Lelouch's foresight for finding out about the submarine equivalent of the Britanian dropping platforms. Unless he just googled it before going...


It wasnt really the same thing. Think about it this way. If you have a toy ship floating in a bathtub, what happends when you make the bathtub into a bubble bath?

Well you saw what happend in this episode.

[mechalord]

I have to point to this. . .it stuck out. . .

NUNALLY DOESN'T REMEMBER WHO TAUGHT HER TO MAKE A CRANE! She said she did not remember who taught her to make cranes in Lelouch's flashback. . . yet she seems obsessed with making them. Could she be trying to subconciously remember some important person that was erased from her memories? Has the emperor screwed with their memories? Was their mothers murder faked? Did they have their memories of CC, VV, another key person, or another side of the Emperor erased from their memories when they were children? Who taught Nunally to make a crane? It's kind of hinting that the Emperor may have tampered with their memories of the past.

And what was Kallen going to tell C.C when she got interrupted? C.C. mentioned the mask was heavy for one guy. It seemed Kallen was going to say that Lelouch needed someone to help him bear with the burden. Like she wanted to "comfort" him.

And Rollo is fitting into his stoic ninja roll quite nicely. He was shadowing Lelouch with ninjur like stealth. He showed he is a level headed guy who is not going to be emotionally needy or too clingy. He got Lelouch heading and thinking in the right direction. He made him remember his friends.

This was a Kallen and Rollo episode. Rollo showed a level of maturity. Some of the things before and after Kallen and Lelouch's near kiss was kind of feeding the Kallen and Lelouch romance with the things that were said by Lelouch, his reminiscing, and the things Kallen almost said and implied.

The last person he saw in the reflection on that jewel, diamond, or chunk of glass was Kallen.

C.C. seems more focused, more serious, and less playful this season. Like she has worked out some of her issues for now and has kind of taken Kallen under her wing.

[jonli]

Hah :D

This episode was pretty enjoyable actually. It's kinda funny how Kallen's been the eye-candy-sex-object-yoko-like-character for R1 and the past 6 episodes. But when Leleouch actually asks for some sex she slaps him.

We're being teased! I've seen you naked a couple times, seen you in a bunny suit, but I don't get to kiss you!? Psht!!!

Anyway, since Lelouch is no longer "creating a world for Nunally" anymore, but creating a gentle world for everyone. It seems pretty possible that the kids in Ashford Academy are going to some how bite the dust.
If things are going the way they are now, Lelouch will turn into another Suzaku protecting the people of Japan, instead of fighting Brittannia. But if the Ashford kids die, then it'll give him a new reason to fight again.

[Anh_Minh]

I think he was just trying to promote the survival of the fittest idea. Well the emperor is a jerk to be honest.



Well it was an act of self-defense. Britanian fleet tried to destroy them, and he defended his OoBK . I mean he couldnt just come out suddenly like that and then say that. THey would probably shoot his Knighmare down. He had to disable their fireing power so that he could come out.


I think she just doesnt mind the competition :heh:.



Ok, i want to remind you this is an anime., a fictional story and every anime has it's plot. Also i think what the writers are doing are so far fine. Lulu is a strategist. He is smart and use that to his advantage. He has been doing that since the very second episode of season 1. Like using their radars against them, Or when they were in that mountain area ( episode 11 in season 1), He used explosion and used the mountain to his advantage.

He uses the map of battlefield to his advantage. Its as simple as that.
It's one thing to use preparation and foresight to make up for numbers. It's another to just have an easy "destroy all the enemies" button to push and you're done.


What he used in this episode followed the law of physics and chemistry. He basically used the surrounding , mixed with some laws of physics/chemistry and defeated them.



It wasnt really the same thing. Think about it this way. If you have a toy ship floating in a bathtub, what happends when you make the bathtub into a bubble bath?
Not much. Soap bubbles are too light and too fragile.

[Whitemoon648]

It's one thing to use preparation and foresight to make up for numbers. It's another to just have an easy "destroy all the enemies" button to push and you're done.

For all we know , he could have ordered the oobk sub to station itself around there.



Not much. Soap bubbles are too light and too fragile.

Depending on how small the toy is and how much soap are in the bathtub, the toy ship can fall over.

Why the hell not? At best, you could forgive the guy for not knowing of what would happen if you do that.

Well because they didnt even know the Oobk's location. I mean as far as they knew, The oobk's sub could have left area 11 waters. Suzaku was just looking for them.

Also, Lulu basically lead them to that area. And suzuka is a retard. He didnt not notice and took the bait. When They fired torpidos, you see the ships getting start moving toward that location. It's Suzaku's fault for taking the bait since he is stupid. If it was Schnizel, he would have probably noticed it. But Cant expect much from Suzaku. After all he is a retard :D.


Even without geass, why not fear some kind of quick assault, or bribery, or blackmail? Especially if it's already happened once?


Well they have taken counter measures. They are building flying knightmares now. So problem fixed.


edit: but my point was really more "Wow, and they just happened to stand on a platform." "Wow, and there just happened to be a gas mining plant".

No. It didnt happend to just be there. He lead them to that point. One could say he got lucky it was there. Or it could be that those Plants are common.

Well it does kind of lose it's originality. Like what would Lulu do if that plant didnt happend to be there. He would have probably found another way.

Or Lulu could have ordered them to station itself around that location, incase something went wrong.

P.S. Its not really an easy button. Lulu just knows the surrounding really well And then he uses them.

[Darkside]

At least like this, there won't be another repeat of the Euphie incident. Nunally is the ultimate anti-geass with her blindness xD.

I wonder how things will go on from here on. If Nunally remains as the governor of area 11, zero can't do anything. Maybe leave japan and go conquer some other country? Britannia does own like 2/3 of the world lol.

Im glad Lelouch didn't kiss Kallen, and Rollo too for that matter. Nobody should have access to those lips besides C.C. ;\

[Majek]

Like i said, there are Deus Ex Machina's in every ep. It's just the way they write this stuff and it's not surprising that it's Lulu who benefits from most of them. No point debating them. Hate them or accept them it won't make any difference.

[Anh_Minh]

Ah, yes. So he had a plan long in advance, and didn't tell Toudou. That doesn't spell smart either.

[Whitemoon648]

I have to point to this. . .it stuck out. . .

NUNALLY DOESN'T REMEMBER WHO TAUGHT HER TO MAKE A CRANE! She said she did not remember who taught her to make cranes in Lelouch's flashback.

No. Shirly said he doesnt remeber who taught her to make them. Nunnally learned from Sayako and Nunnaly taught Shirly. But Shirly doesnt remeber Nunnaly.

And what was Kallen going to tell C.C? She mentioned the mask was heavy. It seemed Kallen was going to say that Lelouch needed someone to help him bear with the burden. Ready to comfort him?

Kallen was going to use the mask or at least was thinking of it. Then C.C. Mentions how much reponsibility that mask hold. Then kallen was goign to say, some has to put it on if he doesnt. That was my take at least.

Ah, yes. So he had a plan long in advance, and didn't tell Toudou. That doesn't spell smart either.

When does he or has he ever talked about his plans with any one before?

Heck even C.C. Doesnt know what he is up to next .

I dont know if its smart or stupid, but he has never done that before *_*.

[jonli]

Like i said, there are Deus Ex Machina's in every ep. It's just the way they write this stuff and it's not surprising that it's Lulu who benefits from most of them. No point debating them. Hate them or accept them it won't make any difference.

It would be cool if we see Suzaku develop as a tactician too, and starts using these "deus ex machinaes" to his advantage to counter Zero, and truly become a worthy rival.

[Whitemoon648]

It would be cool if we see Suzaku develop as a tactician too, and starts using these "deus ex machinaes" to his advantage to counter Zero, and truly become a worthy rival.

Thats the thing. Although Suzaku isnt half/quarter or even less as smart as Lulu, He is an ellite pilot. To be honest, odds are more in favor of Suzaku than Lulu.

What Lulu has:

- Kallen, TOudo and rolo.

- Gurren . He doesnt even have a single more knightmate left.

Now what Suzaku has:

- At least 2 KOR with him. Other KOR could come to help him.
- A huge army behind him.
- Nunnaly as hostage.

[Majek]

It would be cool if we see Suzaku develop as a tactician too, and starts using these "deus ex machinaes" to his advantage to counter Zero, and truly become a worthy rival.
dream on. the only deus ex machina he'll get are the most hated kind, super powered move in the last second to avert some great enemy or something. They won't give him the oppurtunity to outsmart Lulu, never. And Rollo and his power are nothing but a Deus Ex Machine implanted to be used at appropriate times llike that roof scene.

[Jeffry2009]

It's possible that Rollo is going to be EVIL soon due what he's done on everything (killing people) bcoz he's finally found out lelouch has his own sister, nunally and he has his own plans soon. :twitch:

[Smithj]

Zero isn't really a great tactician in my opinion. Something goes wrong (often Suzaku doing *something*), and he can't do jack all to fix the problem.

When everything goes according to plan, yeah he's awesome, but isn't that the case with just about every commander in war? Although he doesn't seem too annoyed at throwing lives away, he's clearly no Zhukov.

The battles are just a small thing, but they're not terribly exciting anymore. They've lost the shock factor from last season.

[Jeffry2009]

I just hope that Rollo won't stay EVIL for that long. i want him support lulu to defeat the britannian army......

Its confirmed that it was V.V. who gave rollo a geass power, I knew it. :mad:

[mechalord]

No. Shirly said he doesnt remeber who taught her to make them. Nunnally learned from Sayako and Nunnaly taught Shirly. But Shirly doesnt remeber Nunnaly.


Kallen was going to use the mask or at least was thinking of it. Then C.C. Mentions how much reponsibility that mask hold. Then kallen was goign to say, some has to put it on if he doesnt. That was my take at least.



When does he or has he ever talked about his plans with any one before?

Heck even C.C. Doesnt know what he is up to next .

I dont know if its smart or stupid, but he has never done that before *_*.

I guess so. I'm not sure if she was considering putting on the mask or if she was just embracing it. Not sure. Besides, CC has impersonated Zero before. I don't think she was actually considering taking his place. . . just kind of admiring the mask and trying work out what had just happened.

[mechalord]

Zero isn't really a great tactician in my opinion. Something goes wrong (often Suzaku doing *something*), and he can't do jack all to fix the problem.

When everything goes according to plan, yeah he's awesome, but isn't that the case with just about every commander in war? Although he doesn't seem too annoyed at throwing lives away, he's clearly no Zhukov.

The battles are just a small thing, but they're not terribly exciting anymore. They've lost the shock factor from last season.

Suzaku isn't a great tactician . He's a good fighter, not a good general. He's always been a thorn on Lelouch's side due to his technological superiority, his physical abilities, and relationship to Lelouch.

Lelouch is not a good duelist. He doesn't have the hand/eye coordination. He is good at managing his resources and exploiting his opponents weaknesses. He is a master of large scale confrontations in which he doesn't fight in. Im a h2h fight he probably could beat Suzaku if only his body could do what his mind was thinking.

Lelouch's big weakness is his likelihood to lose focus and become emotional. He has gotten his enemies cornered only to lose because of distractions.

Suzaku lost to Lelouch during this episode. He didn't account for every conceivable variable as Lelouch did and as a result he lost a humungous number of Navy forces under his command.

[Salt]

S1 was the beginning of the series and the part where I expected to see most of the fluff/filler. I expected S2 to focus on the Zero side, the Ashford side being thrown away due to Lelouch and Zero's identity becoming one... We all know how my expectations were met: A reset and more filler/fan service than ever.

I sorry that the director Taniguchi couldn't read your mind and appease you, my Lord. :rolleyes:

It's his show. And most of us here are enjoying it just fine. I sorry that the show didn't work out EXACTLY as you have planned.

[FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"]
The whole Ashford gang annoy me and, thanks to Shirley's memory being inexplicably erased, all are pointless. Millay is there to be outgoing and has the *slightest* of connections to the plot, Shirley's role in the series is now only to be one of Lelouch's romance options and Rivalz has no place. The sooner they get lost the better Code Geass will be in my eyes.

And yet they play a heavy role in Lulu current motivation.


You know, I could never quite pinpoint what it is in your posts that just agitate me and other so much.
But http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1602011&postcount=674 just about sums it up, putting in words what have been floating around in the back of my mind.

Seriously dude, take the Kaioshin Sama advise.

We are all here to have a good time.
You don't go to some one's BBQ party and start whining about everything from how you think the food is a bit too salty for your delicate taste or how you feel the host has no design sense when it come to home decor do you?
You don't do you? :uhoh:

[lucidwolfe]

Just wondering.. Nunally said in her speech that shes the "87th successor to the throne".. so they started counting from the first person who created Britannia? or is it that she just have a humongous number of siblings :eyebrow:

[Tokkan]

Just wondering.. Nunally said in her speech that shes the "87th successor to the throne".. so they started counting from the first person who created Britannia? or is it that she just have a humongous number of siblings :eyebrow:

"87th in line for succession to the throne" would be more accurate.

[Irenicus]

I never thought I'd say this, but dang, not enough emo. :heh:

Just wondering.. Nunally said in her speech that shes the "87th successor to the throne".. so they started counting from the first person who created Britannia? or is it that she just have a humongous number of siblings :eyebrow:
Massive Imperial harems. :)

Aside from, obviously, the Named Characters, you can catch a glimpse of some of the royals in one scene from the first season where Britannia held an emergency meeting on the eve of the Black Rebellion. Only Schneizel, being a Named Character, stood out.

[Pathis87]

I never thought I'd say this, but dang, not enough emo. :heh:


Massive Imperial harems. :)

Aside from, obviously, the Named Characters, you can catch a glimpse of some of the royals in one scene from the first season where Britannia held an emergency meeting on the eve of the Black Rebellion. Only Schneizel, being a Named Character, stood out.

and odeysses

[superzombie23]

I thought this episode is the best so far in R2; it's definitely 10 worthy. It had emo-ness, sexual content, subliminal yaoi (lol), awesome action and character development, good animation quality (I loved the flashy ending where Zero declares his agreement with Nunally)... what more could you ask for from one episode?

[gabbytay]

I thought this episode is the best so far in R2. It had emo-ness, sexual content, subliminal yaoi (lol), awesome action and character development, good animation quality (I loved the flashy ending where Zero declares his agreement with Nunally)... what more could you ask for from one episode?

reap time lol

[Ice_Bullet]

it seems that schniezel is somehow not important to the plot. although he may rival lelouch, the episodes doesn't show anything about him, what hes doing.

and i wouldn't care what was in cecile's sandwitch i would just eat it anyway >_< and say its good.

[Anh_Minh]

Just wondering.. Nunally said in her speech that shes the "87th successor to the throne".. so they started counting from the first person who created Britannia? or is it that she just have a humongous number of siblings :eyebrow:

Nothing that can't be accomplished with a bit of constructive polygamy. Didn't king Priam have 50 sons and 50 daughters?

It had emo-ness, sexual content, subliminal yaoi (lol)

Subliminal?

[Irenicus]

and odeysses
Who was barely mentioned, and no casual watcher would truly *catch* his presence.

My point was that Schneizel was at least a recognized focus in that scene, whereas the First Prince will just pass through all but the most obsessed watchers' heads (which admittedly Geass has plenty) as a marginal presence, whose name, whether given or not, is more-or-less irrelevant.

[Ice_Bullet]

Who was barely mentioned, and no casual watcher would truly *catch* his presence.

My point was that Schneizel was at least a recognized focus in that scene, whereas the First Prince will just pass through all but the most obsessed watchers' heads (which admittedly Geass has plenty) as a marginal presence, whose name, whether given or not, is more-or-less irrelevant.

where? was he even mentioned in this episode? i didn't see him name appearing =\

[Irenicus]

where? was he even mentioned in this episode? i didn't see him name appearing =\
We were talking about a scene from one of last season's episodes. :)

See my post above the one you quoted.

[Sinestra]

Although Nunnally made a pretty sweet speech i dont think at this point any 11 is ready to trust her yet. I understand what she is trying to do and unlike most of the characters in Code Geass, I think Nunnally is actually pure honestly and wants to help people. I think she moved and said too much too soon after taking office. Even with that being said I am taking the same position i took of Special Zone from the first season which is BULLSHIT. Im sorry but Suzaku, Nunnally, Rollo and Euphie had it wrong. I should not have to go to a special area in MY country to be called or treated equally, Britannia is doing exactly what the U.S. government did to the Native Americans with putting them on reservations . It is peace but its a false peace will Japan still be under the thumb of Britannia YES it will, over time with its culture be erased and replaced with something more appeasing to Britannia YES. Basically they are saying a false sense of peace is better than no peace at all. I disagree Japan is the Japanese homeland and they should control it and be able to live in it as a whole not just a piece of it and should be treated equally everywhere not just in certain area.

Lelouch really need this to strengthen his resolve after seeing Nunnally and he did that with the help of his friends and Kallen, even though i knew there would be no kiss Kallen's words cut deep into Lelouch and only someone he cares about can do that. This is exactly what i hoping for because now for the first time Lelouch realizes this war this fight is not just for Nunnally its for everyone who has bee oppressed or have had their lives destroyed by the tyrannical rule of Britannia. C.C. made several good points to Kallen my favorite was her saying that Zero's helmet is heavy and explaining that the wearer carries weight of people and the world on his shoulders.

Lelouch shows his brilliance once again and dear god did he manage to destroy a lot of ships they were all capsized with Suzaku standing by wonder just WTF happen lol. I dont know what Lelouch grand plan is having the Black Knights attend the special zone ceremony but after his new found resolve there is no way he is packing it in. He has a plan and i cant wait to see what it is especially because of next weeks title. I just dont want repeat of last season i really dont want Nunnally to die.

I think the title for next weeks Turn is Miracle of Millions

[Kristen]

So, Lelouche has proved himself to be a person who only cares about himself and his own goals, again. I mean, saying that he would abandon the entire new Japan which occupies a single room just because of his sister...
It's like, yeah, he's doing it all for his sister. But, for him to trash the hopes of every one of the Order of Black Knights for a new Japan is just cruel.
And one thing I've noticed... I think C.C. must have broken out of her bondage fetish in S1. I like her new dress. ^_^

I'm just waiting for what I bet will be another disaster, thanks to Lelouche's Geas. I mean, a Geas is like a tragic flaw in that it will cause the downfall of whoever has it. I mean, they showed it with Mao in season 1, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did soon with Rollo. Maybe the big plot twist is that the contact lens stops working, and Lelouche will be in a bit argument with Nunally, and he tells her something like "The emporer thinks 'I want you to die'", and his Geass becomes too powerful for both the lens, and he no longer needs eye contact.

But, this is Geass. Predicting the plot is impossible.

This episode gets an 8/10. Geass episodes are generally all the same to me. Mech war, big plot twist, move on from there. It's just... fun.

[lucidwolfe]

lelouch was 17th in line, to think in just 2-3 years..

meh.. >.>

[Kristen]

lelouch was 17th in line, to think in just 2-3 years..

meh.. >.>

Well, it's also that Nunally is female and the second daughter from that mother. So, it's natural she'd be low.

[hero147]

lelouch was 17th in line, to think in just 2-3 years..

meh.. >.>

The emperor must've got busy after Lelouch was born:heh:
Edit:Anyone else think Marianne, is pretty ugly compared to the rest of the characters?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So, Lelouche has proved himself to be a person who only cares about himself and his own goals, again. I mean, saying that he would abandon the entire new Japan which occupies a single room just because of his sister...
It's like, yeah, he's doing it all for his sister. But, for him to trash the hopes of every one of the Order of Black Knights for a new Japan is just cruel.
Actually, it is obvious what Lulu was trying to do.

Essentially, the reason the "Special Zone" was never going to work was because no one who set it up has the means of stopping it from being dismantled by outside forces. Neither Suzaku, Euphie, and now Nunnally is in any position to prevent the Emperor overriding their decision and shut everything down on a whim. The promise of freedom was a lie that was supported purely as a temporary measure until Zero could be killed.

By using his political and mental capabilities, Lulu can make the impossible possible; actually give REAL political power to the Special Zone. Essentially, he is going to turn the fake illusion into the real Japan, using everything at his disposal.

And if Lulu could gain real allies in China in the next dozen episodes by getting rid of the Eunuchs, it might just be enough to tip the balance and turn the Special Zone into the BK stronghold. And it would have Britannian legitimacy; after all, a princess is technically running it.

From Lulu's perspective, if someone's going to take advantage of his sister's good will one way or another, it might as well be him over some other bastard.:heh:

[Irenicus]

By using his political and mental capabilities, Lulu can make the impossible possible; actually give REAL political power to the Special Zone. Essentially, he is going to turn the fake illusion into the real Japan, using everything at his disposal.
Now that's a good twist in the plot. I kind of suspected he was intending that when he accepted Euphie's hand anyway, before EPIC FATE (Greek Tragedy-style) screwed them up. No way in hell "Zero" was going to be a sitting duck for Britannia to shoot. He'd plot, scheme, blackmail, and Geass his way into making that false dream real, and the moment Britannia had enough and pointed its gun at him his resistance would be fully legitimized in the public eye.

Though I'm betting my imaginary money on Lelouch and the scriptwriters having a different plot in mind for next episode though.

Besides, like this episode proves, Code Geass has consistently been better at showing political and/or personal plots to prove Lelouch's "genius" than it is at real military tactics, which in this episode involve a stupid Britannia forgetting that a freaking fragile mining center lies directly under their fleet and Zero taking advantage of it. There are exceptions (Narita came to mind), but really...

[Jeffry2009]

you know guys during the scene Lelouch about to kiss karen and.......

BOOM!!

SO close!! Damn. take that lelouch. You've got served. :eyebrow:

[Sinestra]

So, Lelouche has proved himself to be a person who only cares about himself and his own goals, again. I mean, saying that he would abandon the entire new Japan which occupies a single room just because of his sister...
It's like, yeah, he's doing it all for his sister. But, for him to trash the hopes of every one of the Order of Black Knights for a new Japan is just cruel.
.

I think you might have misread something. Lelouch has always made it clear that his fight was for Nunnally and others know that he is using them to achieve his goals. The point of this episode was Lelouch to learn that there is more at stake than just his sisters happinesses. Look how he reacted to the fireworks display his friends did for him at school. Lelouch learned something very vaulable this time around and honestly after this is probably going to be more of a pain in Britannia's side than he was before. The one thing that was driving Lelouch yet holding him back has now be discarded. He will not trash Japans hopes he has a plan Lelouch always has a plan he wont accept the terms of special zone without question even if he accepts this fake peace at all.

[FrostWolf]

Well, it's also that Nunally is female and the second daughter from that mother. So, it's natural she'd be low.

yeah it's a crazy thing the line of succession, I'd assume it's an extreme form of primogeniture where all males come first which explains why Lelouch is 17th and Nunnaly is 87th

[FrostWolf]

I think you might have misread something. Lelouch has always made it clear that his fight was for Nunnally and others know that he is using them to achieve his goals. The point of this episode was Lelouch to learn that there is more at stake than just his sisters happinesses. Look how he reacted to the fireworks display his friends did for him at school. Lelouch learned something very vaulable this time around and honestly after this is probably going to be more of a pain in Britannia's side than he was before. The one thing that was driving Lelouch yet holding him back has now be discarded. He will not trash Japans hopes he has a plan Lelouch always has a plan he wont accept the terms of special zone without question even if he accepts this fake peace at all.

Like he said when he was trying to explain happiness, maybe he finally found the true definition for it in his friends

[Anh_Minh]

That, or you can jump rankings for good performance. Lelouch trashes Clovis at chess? +1. Nunally fails at being anything but a pretty doll? -1.

[Irenicus]

That, or you can jump rankings for good performance. Lelouch trashes Clovis at chess? +1. Nunally fails at being anything but a pretty doll? -1.
That wouldn't explain the First Prince (some guy named Odysseus apparently; you have to ask those guys who follow extraneous materials of the Great Code Geass Advertising Blitz rather than me) being a complete incompetent though.

And Schneizel would've made it first by now.

[Jeffry2009]

What is Zero going to do in SAR in the next turn?

[Anh_Minh]

Install self-destruct platforms in case the Britanians want to invade.

[Sinestra]

That or make the whole Zone look like a chess board.

[KrimzonStriker]

[FONT="Lucida Sans Unicode"]I love how you support someone, copying the words they use, simply because you disagree with my opinion. Seriously, grow up.

There's a thing called respect. My episode posts are articulate and well thought out, unlike the huge amount of "lolz 10/10, lelouchxkallen me so horny" posts, yet he throws his dummy out over me taking the time to my share my honest opinion every week due to him believing I'm somehow forcing my opinion on others by posting my opinion on a message board, resorting to childish e-stalking.

Stalking? Is that what you think I'm doing? Well, I shouldn't be surprised with a guy who lets 2 seconds of fan-service every time it happens ruin about 20 minutes of episode. Seriously, where is your mind at when this stuff happens? >_>

You know why I single you out? Because your posts are articulate and well-thought out, and yet you basically waste all that time and effort with very unsubstantial reasoning or a sound basis in order to make them. I mean honestly, how can you for a moment think this critique of yours can stand up to pressure if you have nothing to really write about, in many respects it becomes even more annoying then the one sentence posters you seem to detest because that's basically what your whole argument boils down to in the end. :rolleyes:

Yes, I don't add 'in my opinion' to every paragraph and my posts are a little harsh at times, but that's because I don't see the need to do so when my posts are obviously all opinion and my annoyances with the episodes are still fresh when I post. It's ridiculous to claim I'm stating my opinions as facts - I'm simply not considering the feelings of Geass fanboys when I post.

Also, it's fair to say none of you understand human psychology: People openly attacking and causing a fuss over someone like me makes them more determined to keep coming back. It's fairly obvious that silence would the best option against someone who takes the time to post lengthy posts about each episode and responses would cause the opposite effect.

Obviously? You spell it out in such a manner and you think it's obvious that it will come off as simply your opinion? Ha, you really are delusional if that's how you think it comes across, you write it out like a critical review, giving yourself an air of authority that you have no reason to wear at all precisely because it's all opinion once you dig through that junk, but you state it as if it were fact with the way you write it out. Be harsh Maes, but be harsh with something that actually holds merit.

Silence you? Drive you away? You say you'll just keep coming back and accuse me of being a stalker... rriiiggghhhttt :rolleyes: No Maes, I welcome your return each and every time in order for you to actually learn a lesson in critical analysis whenever you make your posts. I do it because I worry about the name of critics everywhere if this is what you reduce it to. One of these days you might actually get it, and maybe, just maybe, you'll thank me for it ;)

[Sinestra]

Though im usually quiet in disputes like this I cant help but to ask a question after reading the ongoing debate.

Maes Hughes could you tell me what you DO like about the series?

[hero147]

Though im usually quiet in disputes like this I cant help but to ask a question after reading the ongoing debate.

Maes Hughes could you tell me what you DO like about the series?

I sense hatred in this forum...Everyone hates fanboys>>>:mad:
Anyhow, if people dont like Code Geass, please refrain from watching the next episode...If you dont like a series, its psyhological to stop watching it. WE dont need more hate here, or any for that matter.

[KrimzonStriker]

Though im usually quiet in disputes like this I cant help but to ask a question after reading the ongoing debate.

Maes Hughes could you tell me what you DO like about the series?

The series sure, he apparently loved Season 1. He just doesn't like Season 2 because of the reset and the fan-service which are inconsequential things in the long run if he'd just stop obsessing about them >_>

[hero147]

I would suggest to stop over-overanalyzing the series, episode by episode, and just enjoy it. Dont be soo pessimistic about everything, it only induces stress^^. Learn to enjoy life, as nothing in life is perfect.

[KrimzonStriker]

Meh, over analyzing can be good at times, it allows you to pick up on connections and details you would have normally missed. But the thing is I feel he's focusing too much on relatively small details instead of the actual big picture, and that he's simply ranting about his analysis instead of learning something from it.

[Sinestra]

Meh, over analyzing can be good at times, it allows you to pick up on connections and details you would have normally missed. But the thing is I feel he's focusing too much on relatively small details instead of the actual big picture, and that he's simply ranting about his analysis instead of learning something from it.

True i dont mind over analyzing at times i watch episode 2 or 3 times to make sure I didnt miss anything. I never talk about everything in the episode just points of interest that i would like to share. Plus over analyzing to give rise to great speculation later down the road and help others who might have missed a point or some subtle in the episode.

I was just curious as to what he actually likes about season 2 i know what he dislikes. I was honestly surprised by the fanservice comment, I mean come on we had Nina in season 1 rubbing herself raw on table edge while looking at a picture of Euphie there has not been anything that bad in season 2. Im not picking on him im honetly just curious

[aurr]

TThis was an interestingep. fFrom my POV, this ep has either to be super good, or super bad. I hated when Lulu was so much a dick to Kallen, but the nostalgic moment of Friendship as glass and of course the whole new resolve, well, this had a good 9 from my hand!
Oh, and don't flame me please.

[Ice_Bullet]

True i dont mind over analyzing at times i watch episode 2 or 3 times to make sure I didnt miss anything. I never talk about everything in the episode just points of interest that i would like to share. Plus over analyzing to give rise to great speculation later down the road and help others who might have missed a point or some subtle in the episode.

I was just curious as to what he actually likes about season 2 i know what he dislikes. I was honestly surprised by the fanservice comment, I mean come on we had Nina in season 1 rubbing herself raw on table edge while looking at a picture of Euphie there has not been anything that bad in season 2. Im not picking on him im honetly just curious

SHE DID THAT SERIOUSLY? LOL. i gotta watch S1 again PLOX.

To Maes Hughes:

anyway. although we all have different opinions. i find a little fanservice won't ruin the episode totally. kinda nice for me =x. maye im just a pervert. But c'mon. Everytime u see a fan service. u complain. u think it ruins the episode. Why do you concentrate on such small details then the whole episode? You are thinking " damn. why the devs are putting in so much fanservice?" However, most people are concentrating on the bigger picture like " Why does nunnally do that?" i hope im not offending you. just my opinion.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't see Lelouch as being that much of a jerk to her. At least, if he was, it was understandably so.

I mean, he's really down, about to embark on a self-destructive path of drugs, alcohol, and cheap women, and here she is, intruding on him and making unreasonable demands about perfection and picking up a cause that cost him everything he loved. I'm not saying she was wrong to try and shake him out of it, but him acting as he did wasn't unexpected.

Though I do wonder - did he ask her for sex because he really wanted it - I mean, he wanted anything to take his mind off his troubles. At that point, he'd have welcomed a punch in the face - or because he just wanted to offend her enough for her to go away?

[KrimzonStriker]

Possibly all of those things, I couldn't really tell what he was thinking at that point to be honest given how messed up he was in the head. But I think I mentioned it before in the romance thread about how that scene with Kallen struck a bit of a parallel with Shirley when she was depressed in Episode 12, and perhaps Lelouch took a page from her book maybe? :uhoh:

[DeotoxSlayer]

I sense hatred in this forum...Everyone hates fanboys>>>:mad:
Anyhow, if people dont like Code Geass, please refrain from watching the next episode...If you dont like a series, its psyhological to stop watching it. WE dont need more hate here, or any for that matter.

I'm sorry, but the last sentence of your post kinda pisses me off, it basically sounds like your saying that anyone that doesn't like the show should get out of these forums, and that just helps to prove Maes point about people not liking opinions that are different from the masses.

yeah it's a crazy thing the line of succession, I'd assume it's an extreme form of primogeniture where all males come first which explains why Lelouch is 17th and Nunnaly is 87th

No it goes in Order of Birth.

So far the one I know of in Order are:

1st in Line: First Prince Odysseus
2nd in Line: Second Prince Schniezel
3rd in Line: First Princess (don't know her name)
4th in Line: Second Princess Cornelia
5th in Line: Third Prince Clovis(before he was killed)
6th in Line: Third Princess Euphemia(before she was killed)

[KrimzonStriker]

I thought Euphie was the 16th in line before Lelouch? :confused:

[Ice_Bullet]

I don't see Lelouch as being that much of a jerk to her. At least, if he was, it was understandably so.

I mean, he's really down, about to embark on a self-destructive path of drugs, alcohol, and cheap women, and here she is, intruding on him and making unreasonable demands about perfection and picking up a cause that cost him everything he loved. I'm not saying she was wrong to try and shake him out of it, but him acting as he did wasn't unexpected.

Though I do wonder - did he ask her for sex because he really wanted it - I mean, he wanted anything to take his mind off his troubles. At that point, he'd have welcomed a punch in the face - or because he just wanted to offend her enough for her to go away?

i don't think lelouch is that time of person. even when hes down.

karen is doing him a favour. At that point in time, lelouch was down and needed some motivation and enouragement.. although lelouch did try to.. ahem.. i think that he wasn't himself that time. although i felt he treated her like a jerk and that moment was extremely uncomfortable.

[DeotoxSlayer]

I thought Euphie was the 6th princess but also the 16th in line before Lelouch? :confused:

Really? well I wasn't sure about Euphie i'm gonna go check

[KrimzonStriker]

Wait, wait, I edited that post about the 6th princess bit, she is the third princess. Her line in the succession list wasn't stated though, now that I think about it but she's probably in between 6th and 16th somewhere... >_>

[DeotoxSlayer]

Wait, wait, I edited that post about the 6th princess bit, she is the third princess. Her line in the succession list wasn't stated though, now that I think about it >_>

Yup I check she's the third princess.

[KrimzonStriker]

Still, even without that you have to wonder how she ever figured she could take the throne at one point <_<

[DeotoxSlayer]

Still, even without that you have to wonder how she ever figured she could take the throne at one point <_<

She didn't want the throne.....she herself said that, and she threw away her royalty position(dam what do you call that again) to create the SAZ:J

[KrimzonStriker]

No,no, it was during that moment in Stage 18 that Cornelia mentioned how if Euphie intended to make the changes she wanted then that meant she wanted to succeed the throne as well. Obviously she changed her mind afterwards, probably due to the meeting with Lelouch :heh:

[Ice_Bullet]

She didn't want the throne.....she herself said that, and she threw away her royalty position(dam what do you call that again) to create the SAZ:J

i think she didn't "throw" away her royalty. she was still a part of the imperial family. Its just that many britinnians didnt agree with SAZ. so she was looked down upon.

[KrimzonStriker]

Actually she said outright that she was giving up her name and title, and that also meant her right to succession in that instance with Lelouch in 22 IIRC

[DeotoxSlayer]

i think she didn't "throw" away her royalty. she was still a part of the imperial family. Its just that many britinnians didnt agree with SAZ. so she was looked down upon.

No, she said that she specifically said that she gave up her Royal Status.

[Ice_Bullet]

alright. my bad. sorry people. just rewatched that part. hmm.. i don't get it still if she threw away her royalty, it means throwing away her authority. if she doesnt have authority. how the hell can she create SAZ?