Claymore Chapter 80

[evil_kenshin]

That he has power the Org can't oppose should make things even easier for him. Like a mob boss, trying to get what he wants.

true Isley can do what he pleases due to Priscilla. Alica may be a match for Isley, but not both him and Priscilla.

Makes you wonder if the org has some kinda deal with him, seeing as how unlike Riful, the orgs HQ doesn't move and since he was a former warrior for them he knows where they are

[RevanX]

いそう = transfer; transport; removal [that's the best match I can find in a dictionary, but I'm not sure about this.]

So in slightly less Engrish:

It seems like,
they were not through here either.


My impression with this part is more like:

"He/she/they don't seem to be here." (Literally "The seeming of being here does not exist")

using he/she/they because I think いそう is the verb いる (そう-conjugation) for animate existence (you'd use it to describe that someone is here, for example).

So most likely he's talking about Clare.

[clarakiss~]

i think the spy that miria refers to is actually her former handler ermita. if clare had been leading the group, rubel would have been her candidate as her inside guy... probably.

and another thing about who'd join clare if she decides to go look for raki is most definitely be helen and ... deneve too. wherever raki is, helen will surely be there. ^^;

[Ancient Soul]

Another theory :

a member of the council (or a former member)(know as Miria's source) want to take over from
Rimuto\ Rubel is his MiB on the field \ Miria is his claymore on the field \ Clare is his
trump card.He and not Rubel is Miria's source.From Rubel he knew about Raki.Raki is the easy
way to control Clare (who is a hot-head not to easy to control).Rubel, Raki and the little
girl work for him.Miria knew him.That guy make his own experiments outside The ORG rules
(Raki\that girl - wich i don't think is Priscilla because Riful would have already attacked
Isley with Dauf and other AB and killed him - no better chance that this when he is
alone).Isley may know about him and even have some plans togheter.

[Kinematics]

I know [Raki]'s been trained for some years by Isley, but you should bear in mind that Galk another human has a job where he pretty much is gonna receive alot of training too, it may not be swordmaster stuff, but you don't see him wielding a claymore single handed, despite a lifetime of being what amounts to a soldier.

Yes, but he's been trained as a soldier, not as a youma killer. There is no purpose to him learning to use such a huge sword when his primary purpose is to be a town/church guard. Plus recall that he -was- the one to chuck that statue holding Clare's sword to her (which would be much heavier than the sword itself), apparently a pretty good distance and well over the youma's head. He's no slouch in the strength department, and I'd expect him to easily swing the sword around one-handed; he just wouldn't be as proficient at using it as a weapon as he would his normal broadsword.

raki already knows the girl he is with is not human and can read yoki.

This is unsupported speculation. We do not have any information on her level of humanity, or even if she can explicitly read youki. Before Miata, we would certainly assume that to be the case. However with Miata's introduction we can't make that assumption.

In fact, let me go further. Raki has been trained by Isley for ~5 years (7 year time skip minus the 1 year since he's been to Rabona, and perhaps up to a year before that in travel). He has the explicit intention of fighting youma since he should expect to have to fight them once he rejoins Clare. The single thing that has been the main limiter preventing humans from killing youma has been the inability to detect them. Raki is not a Claymore (assumed; highly probable). Therefore to make use of the training he has received, he -needs- some way of detecting youma.

I believe that there's a high probability that the extra year pre-Rabona that I assume he spent in travel was used in searching for something or someone that could help him in that regard. The question is what he searched for, and how he found the girl.

Option 1) The only known people capable of detecting youma are Claymore warriors. Therefore Raki travels east to Staff. Why would he do that, and what would he hope to get there? I just can't see him as the type to plot to kidnap a little Claymore girl just to have a youma radar. We also know that girls wandering out of the training areas is rare (cf: Teresa), so a chance meeting, as well as taking her away from there is unlikely, though possible if the girl really did want to escape that place.

Option 2) Variant on the above: A Claymore trainee did actually manage to escape from the training area (for whatever reason; cue sad background story), through the forest, and made her way to some nearby civilization (not the town closest to Staff, as they would likely just turn her back in), whereupon Raki finds her. Raki takes her in and cares for her, promising her that she won't have to fight; he'll take care of all the fighting if she'll just point the youma out to him. He'll also keep her safe from the Org.

Option 3) Raki has become disillusioned with the Organization, probably through the gradual influence of Isley's beliefs. As such he wants to find some other means of defeating youma so that humans don't have to depend on the Org. Through his searches and wanderings he comes across the rumor of special talented/cursed individuals who can see through the youmas' disguises. Most of these types tend to die quick deaths for obvious reasons. Raki happens upon and rescues one such girl who was just about to be killed by a youma. Because she is 'cursed', she is rejected by her town just as Raki was when he was young. So he takes her with him, to allow her a chance to live on just as Clare did for him.

Option 4) Raki has found and allied himself with an Awakened Being, knowingly or unknowingly, who is apparently extremely weak (he carries her around and tells her to rest when he fights). Frankly, I'm having a hard time figuring out a plausible scenario for this due to the fact that at some point or another she's eventually going to have to be eating guts. Only option I can see is that she is extremely weak because she refuses to eat guts.

Option 5) Riful. Err.. Sorry, despite the cuteness of it, I just can't see it as viable.

[Synyster]

Because he's an awakened being that isn't under the Org's control...
Neither Miria now.

Only option I can see is that she is extremely weak because she refuses to eat guts.
We still don't know that.

[Bikerider]

The girl with Raki could be an escaped Trainee.

[williamaugustus]

i still like my theory, which is posted further up. i think it would make a better story line.

[Cyclone]

My impression with this part is more like:

"He/she/they don't seem to be here." (Literally "The seeming of being here does not exist")

using he/she/they because I think いそう is the verb いる (そう-conjugation) for animate existence (you'd use it to describe that someone is here, for example).

So most likely he's talking about Clare.

Hmm.. I suppose you could be right. Would certainly make the word more common.
I didn't think it was legal to put 'ni' right after a verb like that though (have to add a 'no' to it or something). Seems I've been too long removed from my classes and am beginning to forget. It's seems an unsual way of saying it ('inai mitai' would be what I'd expect....). Oh well - enough of me and my excuses. At least we agree there is no 'it'.

Thanks.

[Ancient Soul]

Too bad that the youma didn't jump on a building...if Raki would have jumped after him we
would had know if he is or not a human.Clarice looked like a human under pills, Clare too, but when they start jumping on buidings they proved that they aren't.

Isley is a AO who feed on humans.Priscilla too.I don't see Raki swallowing this for 5-6 years
and still trust them.We all think that Raki stayed with them for 5-6 years.No prove about
this.Raki could have trained himself, in a town, at the ORG HQ, found someone who try to hunt youmas too and trainined with him etc.

[evil_kenshin]

Too bad that the youma didn't jump on a building...if Raki would have jumped after him we
would had know if he is or not a human.Clarice looked like a human under pills, Clare too, but when they start jumping on buidings they proved that they aren't.

Isley is a AO who feed on humans.Priscilla too.I don't see Raki swallowing this for 5-6 years
and still trust them.We all think that Raki stayed with them for 5-6 years.No prove about
this.Raki could have trained himself, in a town, at the ORG HQ, found someone who try to hunt youmas too and trainined with him etc.

The fact Raki was able to move so fast that he reached the yoma while the villagers were still staring at the spot Raki moved from shows that even if still human, he would of been able to run up the walls , so its a moot point

[Ancient Soul]

I said "jump" not "run up the walls".If he can jump 5-10 metres into the air he can't be a normal human anymore.

[evil_kenshin]

I said "jump" not "run up the walls".If he can jump 5-10 metres into the air he can't be a normal human anymore.

true, but considering how fast he can move, it wouldn't be surprising if he could jump that high too. But then didn't Cid & Galk jump up on the roof too when trying to catch Clare the first time she was in Rabona? (not sure on that, im just guessing) and Cid was able to jump on Agatha (couldn't of climbed else she would of felt it)

[clarakiss~]

on chp 80 pg 02-03 - is the awakened being facing three kin of dragons? maybe that was the reason why they fought until they died cuz they were more dragon kins than awakened beings.

[Kinematics]

But then didn't Cid & Galk jump up on the roof too when trying to catch Clare the first time she was in Rabona?

Nope. Each time they met, Cid and Galk were already up on the rooftops. They could have climbed up using various alley staircases (you know how old cities are), or maybe Galk gave Cid a boost up to the roof when they saw someone running past.

Cid was able to jump on Agatha (couldn't of climbed else she would of felt it)

Agatha's height was on par with the rooftops. If the soldiers have easy access to the roofs, getting up on top of Agatha wouldn't have been that hard.

on chp 80 pg 02-03 - is the awakened being facing three kin of dragons?

That's what it looks like, yep. Each of the three dragon kin critters looks pretty much like the others, instead of the unique forms of the awakened beings.

[evil_kenshin]

Nope. Each time they met, Cid and Galk were already up on the rooftops. They could have climbed up using various alley staircases (you know how old cities are), or maybe Galk gave Cid a boost up to the roof when they saw someone running past.



Agatha's height was on par with the rooftops. If the soldiers have easy access to the roofs, getting up on top of Agatha wouldn't have been that hard..

makes sense, anyway Raki still has awhile to be developed and reveal how good he is. He had little trouble with a regular yoma and his stronger than Clarice but how far he goes won't be shown to later i bet

[Gooral]

(...) Priscilla saving Raki and then helping him hunt Youma messes with her character even more. It would be cool :D (...)
In a way yes, but it would stir up things a little too quickly IMO (and I still hope we will see Priscilla in her true form, i.e. sarcastic, cold bastard mode). Also as I've written before (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1631998&highlight=Galatea#post1631998) (and the only ones who seemed to notice it were Cyclone and tenken), if it was Priscilla Galatea should have detected her. I don't care if she can suppres youki or minimalize it, Riful detected her humongous power when she stood before her and Galatea always had a much better youki radar (even more after time skip) so I don't think she would have overlooked such strong being's presence. Personally I think Priscilla is still with Isley but I have absolutely no idea who the girl is. It's easier to guess who she isn't and I don't think she's Isley's and Priscilla's child (and definitely not a being more powerful than Teresa, Cyclone :P).
It might be possible that Raki can read youki, at least a bit and the girl is his "master" and a teacher. Otherwise he would be risking lives of innocent people (I wonder if he cut youma's arm to be sure that it's youma) because knowing with certainty who the girl meant when she pointed in the crowd would be impossible, IMO.

And about Galatea how did she manage to lure claymores to Rabona? Did she send them a letter telling that in Rabona is a blind nun (but it would be difficult to write it herself or telling someone to do it for her for many reasons)? Or did she know that there was org's spy in the city and didn't keep low profile. Also how come Miata sniffed Galatea's scent ? Did she remember all of her generation claymore's scent's to ignore them? I mean wasn't she distracted by scents of others? Does that mean the Org narrowed down for them possible places where she could be?

[germanturkey]

alright:
drunk helen = win
Guts/Raki = not win...

it seems art quality seems to have dropped.

[ergon]

This one I'm having a bit of trouble with...

どうやらここにもいそうにないがな


It looks to me like hes saying "she doesn't seem to be here either" but I think hes speaking in really casual japanese, which I don't understand too well.

edit: hey Raki's wrist guard thing looks just like his shoulder armor. maybe it slides anywhere on his arm, thats why it has all those joints. I still don't see the point, other than fashion :p

[Vinak]

And about Galatea how did she manage to lure claymores to Rabona? Did she send them a letter telling that in Rabona is a blind nun (but it would be difficult to write it herself or telling someone to do it for her for many reasons)? Or did she know that there was org's spy in the city and didn't keep low profile. Also how come Miata sniffed Galatea's scent ? Did she remember all of her generation claymore's scent's to ignore them? I mean wasn't she distracted by scents of others? Does that mean the Org narrowed down for them possible places where she could be?
I believe this is explained by Galatea. She left subtle hints on her whereabouts and the MIB narrowed down her location to a certain area and sent Miata after her.

the hints could have been obvious. like exposing her claymore to random people or leaving her claymore outfit somewhere. she is blind so she can't just walk around for people to notice.

Miata and Clarice took suppressant pills so Galatea couldn't detect them and to allow Miata to sniff out every source of youma, which is why they had to fight so many youma and AB's on the way to Robana.

[Gooral]

the hints could have been obvious. like exposing her claymore to random people or leaving her claymore outfit somewhere. she is blind so she can't just walk around for people to notice.
I don't think she would leave her claymore on sight, claymore outfit sure, she could dump it anywhere, but carrying a sword being a nun or leaving her weapon at random place wouldn't be wise. As for the outfit, I think there would still have to be MiB's spy to recognize that clothing was claymore's, unless it's common knowledge that every claymore uniform has it's signature/symbol on it. I don't think they're "leotard" is being made of some unique material.

Miata and Clarice took suppressant pills so Galatea couldn't detect them and to allow Miata to sniff out every source of youma, which is why they had to fight so many youma and AB's on the way to Robana.
Well yeah, but how come she went in the right direction? For example if Alicia and Beth were south, Audrey west, fab 7 heading to Rabona, how come she ignored all of them and went straight to Rabona? Also Miata could distinguish AB and youma from claymores because when she first arrived to the town she said that a strong claymore is there, not strong AB (and we know Agatha was there).

[chibamonster]

Galatea's real defense against pursuers is that she out senses them. It is not even necessary for Galatea to have her youki cloaked (although she did) to avoid hunters because she "sees" them long before they see her. Apparently the organization has been looking for her for some time. Galatea may have lured the hunters to Rabona by simply staying there for a long time and not running away when they got close. She herself was the lure.

There was no mention of any youma to hunt because then they would not have sent strong enough warriors. Miata and Clarice did not originally know to go to Rabona. Somehow they ended up exterminating many AB's along the way. With Miata so focused on Galatea she may have ignored Agatha until their mission finished (which she tried even when Agatha did show up). They had to find Galatea's trail and presumably Miata either knew Galatea's smell (Acqua di Gio by Giorgio Armani for Women) or was just searching for strong claymore scents she did not know from the organization. Hunting dogs style while knowing Galatea's scent makes the most sense to me. It is entirely possible that Galatea has not been camped in Rabona this whole time prior to Agatha. I think she spent a great deal of time there from her attachment to Rabona, but with Claymores crisscrossing the continent I imagine she did not hide in the Orphanage until her youki was completely cloaked. It is possible that Galatea sent a letter or something to someone, but there is no mention of it.

Well, if the cloaked girl is someone we know already it is probably Priscilla. That is the simplest solution. It reminds me of when we were speculating over who really was in Rabona before the extra chapters tortured us for months. We had all sorts of ideas but the simplest solution was the one that held true. Raki was last seen with Priscilla. He obviously lived through it which means he is probably on Isley and Priscilla's good side. Priscilla can sense youma. She is short. She loves Raki. Priscilla is the simplest answer. But, of course, we do not know if it is the right answer yet. There are plenty of options that could be more interesting.

We do not know that Galatea has not sensed other beings coming through Rabona. We just know that Agatha stayed there so to protect the city she decided to get help to kill her. We do not know if it is possible for an AB to entirely cloak their youki. Riful was able to fool Clare but not Galatea with her hiding ability. Who knows what Priscilla is able to do.

As for Priscilla appearing too early I would have said so too before the last two chapters. Now we know that the real evil in the world is not who we originally thought it was. There is a new world of evil to fight. Priscilla seems fairly tame compared to the MiB's and their organization now. At some point Raki has to be around when Clare meets Priscilla. The plot is leading towards that as an explosion and if it is defused it looses the power. Clare's feelings for Raki and her hatred for Priscilla have to conflict at some point. I think we might see more fighting before Raki meets Clare though :D.

[ergon]

I think Raki's last line is this:

"What a scene...and I just got back to my hometown for the first time in ages!"
"either way...it doesn't seem like shes here either!"

[yurifan]

I really hate raki for some reason, no matter how much he's grown, how much hes gotten stronger, i just see him as a lil kid, that never get rid of problems, retarded kid

[clarakiss~]

@ yurifan - i think you being a yuri fan explains it all why you hate him. :P i'm just kidding xD!!

[Whitemoon648]

Woah Raki looks strong.

[Gooral]

(...) As for Priscilla appearing too early I would have said so too before the last two chapters. Now we know that the real evil in the world is not who we originally thought it was. There is a new world of evil to fight. (...)
True, but I doubt that fab 7 has enough power to take them on, at least not yet. When Luciella - AO awakened and gone berserk the damages she made were quite heavy, nonetheless she was no where near destroying the org (even if she wanted to, she wouldn't be able to detect MiB). Now that organization possesses Alicia and Beth they're even more resilient to attacks. So they would need Clare's and Miata's strength and that could be not enough to dominate them. If Priscilla helped them it would be another case and it would be consistent with "Priscilla is on Raki's shoulder". But I'm not sure if Clare would be willing to cooperate with her, I'm not even sure if she wouldn't prioritize going after revenge on Priscilla instead revenge on the MiB, dumping Miria and others.
Anyway, I still don't believe it's Priscilla and certainly I hope not.

[chibamonster]

With the recent information I am not even sure what is coming. Miria knows the twins weakness and Galatea got front row tickets to watch them at work. Isley is not doing much (that we know of) and Riful is out searching for something to level the playing field against Isley. The MiB's are apparently still working on their project because apparently Alicia and Beth are the first step to something that would be deployable in battle without their weakness. Not to mention there is an entire other continent where apparently AB's have been used as weapons. There also lurk freaky dragon monsters that seem fairly tough as well. The organization is up to something and I think the MiB's are only the research and development branch.

This is just me but I think the organization is not going to be the ultimate bad guys. I think they have a real legitimate reason to do what they do (even if what they have done is evil). For instance; maybe they need an AB to defeat the AB's let loose on the home land that are far too powerful. OR ... well, I just think with all this new information there is going to be a lot of plans that get messed up. Miria does not seem to know about Clare's past with Priscilla. On top of that no one knows Raki's connection with Isley and Priscilla: the most powerful faction on the entire continent. I think a lot more sad stuff is going to happen pretty soon.

I think there are many options for who this girl can be, the simplest option being Priscilla. Other than that it will probably have to be a brand new character. Unless Raki is the something Riful discovered, but ... hmm. Lune seems to still be with the organization and the little girl was not clad in any claymore attire. In my mind it is Priscilla or new character but of course I could be wrong. The irony of Teresa bringing little Clare with her, Priscilla killing Teresa, Clare getting stronger to avenge Teresa, Clare bringing Raki, Raki getting stronger to protect Clare, and then Raki bringing Priscilla is just too crazy.

[Synyster]

It might be possible that Raki can read youki, at least a bit and the girl is his "master" and a teacher. Otherwise he would be risking lives of innocent people (I wonder if he cut youma's arm to be sure that it's youma) because knowing with certainty who the girl meant when she pointed in the crowd would be impossible, IMO.


I was thinking that too.

And if he can't read yoki how the hell he knows that "it" (Clare, yoma, AB or whatever he was searching) isn't at the town?

I really hate raki for some reason, no matter how much he's grown, how much hes gotten stronger, i just see him as a lil kid, that never get rid of problems, retarded kid

The funny thing is that Clare used to be like him...

[clarakiss~]

i found something interesting that may be priscilla who is with raki when i was re-looking at some of the previous chapters - but first anyone know if priscilla is left-handed?

okay, on chapter 80 pg 21, when raki asked the girl which one of the humans is the youma, she pointed with her left hand right? now go back to chapter 63 pg 01 and you'll see priscilla looking out of the window and she'll also have her left hand place on the window too.

coincidence or not it may really be her - duh duh duh... priscilla. ^^;

[Taylor_Maclaurin]

<stupid conspiration theorist's mode on>
What if it wasn't only one person Miria received help from? In Pieta Isley sent AB and Rigaldo against them to wipe out all that are unworthy, assuming if they didn't survive his subordinates' attacks they wouldn't be of much help anyways in destroying the org. Raki and Priscilla were in Rabona to confirm what Isley's eye AB sensed (i.e. that there was a powerful claymore) so they used Agatha and sent her to the town so they could lure Miata there. Rubel being Isley's collaborator made sure that it would be her MiB would send. They needed her at their side, not only because she was powerful but also because of her unique sensing abilities. Miria on the other hand was responsible for Clare. Why would they need such powerful allies if they had Isley and Priscilla on their side? Well, they were afraid that MiB could get help from the reinforcements and "reset" experiment, wiping out all living beings on their testing ground.
</stupid conspiration theorist's mode on>
Yeah, yeah I know. This doesn't make any sense (maybe besides "it's not only one person" part).
Shrimpy translated:
"-I wasn't alone
-I had help

And it wasn't "it"
-Looks like
-She ain't here either
Google "mangahelpers" to find his translation.

[Cyclone]

It's easier to guess who she isn't and I don't think she's Isley's and Priscilla's child (and definitely not a being more powerful than Teresa, Cyclone :P).

Heh. Them's fightin' words! I said POTENTIAL.

Seriously though, humor me and play along for a sec.
--> ****IF**** <-- Isley and Pricilla had a little girl, don't you think her youki potential would be quite high? I mean Pricilla had - arguably - the potential to surpass Teresa, and Isley's no slouch either. It's quite the Petigree.

Of course potential alone does not meassure battle strength - as Pricilla found out the hard way. Experience, technique, and training in general are most important. It is unreasonable to assume that a 6 year old child would have any significant battle strength. That is not necessarily ture of youki potential though. I'm sort of thinking along the lines of Dragonball's Gohan - large potential, but very little to show for it until some serious long term training occured.

In any event, I'll try to summerize my thoughts on the matter:

The reason it can't be Pricilla in the form we know her (no matter how much Raki has grown), is because Pricilla does not look like a small child - which is what Cid says the girl is. Regardless of her height, the nice fan service she gives us in Pieta and ES3, clearly show a figure which cannot be mistaken for that of a child. So the only way it could be her, is if she changed form, and I'm having a hard time picturing that.

So, what do we know about the girl:

- the girl can detect youki. From this I conclude that she is not human.
- Cid describes her as young
- Cid would recognize a Claymore girl, and he said nothing to that effect.
- The girl was in Rabona the same time as Galatea and lived through it.
- Raki claimed it's a relative's child. Cid thought he was lying.

We only know 2 or 3 entities that can sense youki - claymores, MiBs (there was a pair observing Pieta's fall before Alica and Beth show up) and youma/ABs. I think it's safe to eliminate Claymore and MiBs due to their silver eyes (why would she have youki supressant pills?), and MiBs (why would one run away? What are MiBs anyways?).

If the girl's just another run of the mill youma though, then chances are high that Galatea would have killed it the second she ventured into Rabona.

I can't imagine Raki going to serach for Clare and disowning his own daughter if the child was his - so I'm concluding she's not his daughter.
The relative part is obviously a lie - since his whole family was eaten by youma - uncle included. The only people that we know of that Raki would lie about like that and call relatives are Pricilla and Isley.

Honestly, I can only see two viable possibilities:

1) The character is completely brand new and largely unrelated to what little we know of how Raki's been spending his 7 years. Perhaps a human ESPer of some kind, or something like that.

or

2) Isley and Pricilla had a kid. Many people here always assumed that Isley had some nefarious world domination plot up his sleeve, but I find it equally likely(more than likely now) he simply moved to where his wife wanted to be - would explain their lack of activity recently at least. Why Pricilla and Isley would let their daughter travel with Raki, I don't know, but they are youma, so maybe they are not over-protective (a little under-protective in fact).

Assuming that any girl traveling with Raki must be Pricilla (or Riful) however, and since Raki's armor has moving parts, then, ah-ha, the armor must be Isley's new form, is just over the top though - even by my fairly loose standards.

[evil_kenshin]

<stupid conspiration theorist's mode on>
What if it wasn't only one person Miria received help from? In Pieta Isley sent AB and Rigaldo against them to wipe out all that are unworthy, assuming if they didn't survive his subordinates' attacks they wouldn't be of much help anyways in destroying the org. Raki and Priscilla were in Rabona to confirm what Isley's eye AB sensed (i.e. that there was a powerful claymore) so they used Agatha and sent her to the town so they could lure Miata there. Rubel being Isley's collaborator made sure that it would be her MiB would send. They needed her at their side, not only because she was powerful but also because of her unique sensing abilities. Miria on the other hand was responsible for Clare. Why would they need such powerful allies if they had Isley and Priscilla on their side? Well, they were afraid that MiB could get help from the reinforcements and "reset" experiment, wiping out all living beings on their testing ground.
</stupid conspiration theorist's mode on>
Yeah, yeah I know. This doesn't make any sense (maybe besides "it's not only one person" part).
Shrimpy translated:


And it wasn't "it"

Google "mangahelpers" to find his translation.


thats basically painting Miria as an evil woman who's no better than a Yoma , i seriously disagree with your theory since i think Miria honestly cares for her people and didn't want any to die.

[Blackmoon042]

Er, sorry for the somewhat dumb question, but I'm curious, am I reading this correctly?:

Clare: We half-human, half-yoma can consciously regulate the entrance of toxins like alcohol into our system. On the other hand, we can also allow it into our bloodstream. Whether we get drunk or not... depends on if we feel like it.

Cid: How about you then? Has the alcohol gotten to you?

Clare: About 50%. But it may be because I'm not weak to begin with.

__________________________________________________ __________


It may be because I can't imagine Clare getting drunk, which is dulling my thinking considerably in this situation, but it really sounds as if she's allowing the alcohol into her bloodstream. Or could this 50% mean that she can only control a certain amount of where the alcohol goes, or possibly she has a high tolerance to alcohol and it'd take a lot for her to get drunk, and she's only half way there, or something else? Well, she didn't say whether or not there was a limit about being able to regulate only so much into the bloodstream, but yeah, I'm having a hard time picturing this.

So, from this, does it sound as if Clare is letting the alcohol go into her bloodstream/trying to get drunk?

[chibamonster]

If Priscilla and Isley can breed then there could be some serious trouble in the future. When I first started into Claymore I was hoping to see some reverse claymore: Youma who has infused human parts. I think seeing offspring of two former human current monsters would fulfill that wish for me. Then we have even more to complicate the story. Neigh immortal beings that can breed probably won't stick to the Chinese standard of 1 child.

It would also be very interesting to see what a AB childs morality was like. Would they be born as awakened beings or something else. Something new. Sort of like Blade compared with Vampires; all their strengths, none of their weaknesses.

I still think the simplest answer is Priscilla even with the height issue. Although I would love to see another new character. Galatea has probably sensed plenty of AB's (think of all the ones that Miata and Clarice encountered on their way to Rabona) that she has not mentioned during her time in Rabona. It was just that Agatha set up shop in Galatea's clubhouse that pissed her off the most. I am excited to see just who is under the hood. I am hoping for a chibi Teresa...

@Blackmoon042: I am not sure what the 50% refers to but it seems that Helen is really the one trying to get drunk.

[Gooral]

Offtopic:
Is that true that Japanese get drunk easily? I heard that even the weakest Slav would beat Japanese in that matter because of their lack of enzyme that decompose alcohol. Nothing to be proud of but I can't imagine Japanese doing that (what he drinks is a cheap "wine", juice with vodka, 20%-30% alcohol-content by volume):
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy9-FxN_MRY

[Cyclone]

Er, sorry for the somewhat dumb question, but I'm curious, am I reading this correctly?:

Clare: We half-human, half-yoma can consciously regulate the entrance of toxins like alcohol into our system. On the other hand, we can also allow it into our bloodstream. Whether we get drunk or not... depends on if we feel like it.

Cid: How about you then? Has the alcohol gotten to you?

Clare: About 50%. But it may be because I'm not weak to begin with.

__________________________________________________ __________


It may be because I can't imagine Clare getting drunk, which is dulling my thinking considerably in this situation, but it really sounds as if she's allowing the alcohol into her bloodstream. Or could this 50% mean that she can only control a certain amount of where the alcohol goes, or possibly she has a high tolerance to alcohol and it'd take a lot for her to get drunk, and she's only half way there, or something else? Well, she didn't say whether or not there was a limit about being able to regulate only so much into the bloodstream, but yeah, I'm having a hard time picturing this.

So, from this, does it sound as if Clare is letting the alcohol go into her bloodstream/trying to get drunk?

There are a few minor things:

Clare says that half humans half youma can expell toxins and alcohol and such from their bodies by their will. She also says that on the other hand they can also allow into their blood. Then says that whether they get drunk or not depends on what they feel like.

Cid asks: "So, how about you" (you = omae-san - love it... the san makes it so polite)
"has it entered your blood, the alcohol?"

To that Clare says: "half of it entered"

I'm not sure the last bubble due to confussion in my head about the use of "-janai" (sometimes it means "!", and sometimes it negates the entire sentence. So I'm not sure if she's saying her ability to drink was good or bad from the start)

Anyways, I interpret it that Clare is only letting half the alchol she drink get into her blood (thus get drunk slower than normal).

[Cyclone]

Oh - a little note about names:

The guy who stole the carrige is Graham (guy says: "that bastard Graham")
And the youma's name is Rico (not Nello)

[Blaat]

Woah, read the chapter and Raki garness is over ninethousand. With chapters like these I wish this manga wasn't monthly. :(

[RevanX]

Since somebody mentioned it, I'd like to point out that, in this chapter at least, no where does it explicitly state Miria's insider (協力者) is only 1 person. It could very well be more than 1 unless otherwise explicitly stated. Whether this is a major issue or not....

And about the names, they're actually ガルム　(translit: garumu) and リロ　(translit: riro). I don't think this is going to be a major or interesting topic of debate here though...

Also, Cyclone, I'm equally confused as you about Clare's line about not being that weak. Heh.

BTW I actually spotted a number of translation mistakes, but they're not worth nitpicking about actually. Just some weird stuff like putting lines where they don't belong, in odd places, along with other minor choice of words.

[ergon]

yeah "janai" pretty much means "it isn't" so it can also mean "isn't it?" but I think it those cases it needs a ! or ? Since she says "janai rashii" it probably means "don't seem to be"

It says "ireteru" rather than "haitteru" so same kanji, but hes saying
"are you putting alcohol into your blood?" and she says "I'm putting 50% in"

A lot of details are cut out, maybe they were lost in translation or maybe this guy likes to streamline things.

[yezhanquan]

Heh. Them's fightin' words! I said POTENTIAL.

Seriously though, humor me and play along for a sec.
--> ****IF**** <-- Isley and Pricilla had a little girl, don't you think her youki potential would be quite high? I mean Pricilla had - arguably - the potential to surpass Teresa, and Isley's no slouch either. It's quite the Petigree.

Of course potential alone does not meassure battle strength - as Pricilla found out the hard way. Experience, technique, and training in general are most important. It is unreasonable to assume that a 6 year old child would have any significant battle strength. That is not necessarily ture of youki potential though. I'm sort of thinking along the lines of Dragonball's Gohan - large potential, but very little to show for it until some serious long term training occured.

In any event, I'll try to summerize my thoughts on the matter:

The reason it can't be Pricilla in the form we know her (no matter how much Raki has grown), is because Pricilla does not look like a small child - which is what Cid says the girl is. Regardless of her height, the nice fan service she gives us in Pieta and ES3, clearly show a figure which cannot be mistaken for that of a child. So the only way it could be her, is if she changed form, and I'm having a hard time picturing that.

So, what do we know about the girl:

- the girl can detect youki. From this I conclude that she is not human.
- Cid describes her as young
- Cid would recognize a Claymore girl, and he said nothing to that effect.
- The girl was in Rabona the same time as Galatea and lived through it.
- Raki claimed it's a relative's child. Cid thought he was lying.

We only know 2 or 3 entities that can sense youki - claymores, MiBs (there was a pair observing Pieta's fall before Alica and Beth show up) and youma/ABs. I think it's safe to eliminate Claymore and MiBs due to their silver eyes (why would she have youki supressant pills?), and MiBs (why would one run away? What are MiBs anyways?).

If the girl's just another run of the mill youma though, then chances are high that Galatea would have killed it the second she ventured into Rabona.

I can't imagine Raki going to serach for Clare and disowning his own daughter if the child was his - so I'm concluding she's not his daughter.
The relative part is obviously a lie - since his whole family was eaten by youma - uncle included. The only people that we know of that Raki would lie about like that and call relatives are Pricilla and Isley.

Honestly, I can only see two viable possibilities:

1) The character is completely brand new and largely unrelated to what little we know of how Raki's been spending his 7 years. Perhaps a human ESPer of some kind, or something like that.

or

2) Isley and Pricilla had a kid. Many people here always assumed that Isley had some nefarious world domination plot up his sleeve, but I find it equally likely(more than likely now) he simply moved to where his wife wanted to be - would explain their lack of activity recently at least. Why Pricilla and Isley would let their daughter travel with Raki, I don't know, but they are youma, so maybe they are not over-protective (a little under-protective in fact).

Assuming that any girl traveling with Raki must be Pricilla (or Riful) however, and since Raki's armor has moving parts, then, ah-ha, the armor must be Isley's new form, is just over the top though - even by my fairly loose standards.

Well, as to Galatea having nothing to say about the little girl, I think it was more of her still focusing on Agatha, not to mention that she didn't want to blow her cover yet.

I still think the little girl is Priscilla, just not the one last seen 7 years ago. I think she has further regressed, to the point that she could no longer speak, which will also explain the reduction in size. Certainly, that will be a valid point in Raki's argument to persuade Clare to let her go, once they meet. This event is key to me, because I believe Yagi-sensei will make Clare think very hard whether she should continue to seek revenge.

I don't know if it's true, but I seem to remember that once awakened, their eye colour is different.

[D a m i e n]

lol @ raki
and with this chapter claymore jumped the shark.
end of the story and of anykind of interrest for this serie.

[Anh_Minh]

I completely expected Clare to say "Oh, Helen's not drunk. It's her default behavior".

[Sleepy Speculator]

I don't understand how anyone can say that claymore has jumped the shark, if anything it appears to be getting more popular and interesting, just look at the post counts and viewings on forums, which seems to be increasing every month... and all this during a time where there is no anime playing to boost awareness.

I'm personally a bit confused as to why the whole conversation between Miria and Father Vincent is at the moment unavailable, and Clarice, Miata and Galatea have completely disappeared. I'm half expecting Miria to come back to Clare and say, "just how good are you at infiltration btw?"

Anyhow onto if the child was Isleys/Pricilla's why would they let Raki walk off with their daughter? One buffed up Raki with the biggest ever sword wouldn't be enough to keep her safe from the vengeful Riful or the org if they were found out. Furthermore if AB's can breed how come we ain't seen any of Riful/Duph's offspring running around? (They gotta be the oldest AB couple going)

This leaves the obvious Raki/Priscilla spec, which is discarded because, Raki said it wasn't his child, now this may seem abit strange, but he was believed to be lying because he didn't want to talk about it... can you imagine Raki having to explain who the mother is... could he even leave a child in the care of Priscilla and Isley? Safest place if it was his child would be with him. The child is barely big enough to walk so he can travel with her now, and the way he asked which one was the yoma made it look to me like he was training her... so the chain begins again...

well that's my two cents worth..

Also two thumbs up to Helen getting drunk... haha explains why she's such a troublemaker, i can't believe the amount of people that said they've been waiting for that moment.

[FreshSalad]

Hey is it,
Claymore training => cold personality or
Claymore transfusion/biological enhancement that removes a part of the human that causes them to act like how we've seen all the claymores act.

If its the training, theres nothing we can conclude.
If its the transfusion, Raki is not a claymore.

Furthermore, we still can't tell if he can sense youki or not. Asking may suggest that he sucks at it himself and needs someone to confirm for him (though no claymore so far has had this problem), or he truly doesn't have the ability. Once again, saying "seems like it/she isnt here either" may be just the fact that Clare or whoever isn't in the town killing the youma, therefore they aren't here. If they were here, they would have finished the task.

The armor idea seems to lean toward Isley's old armor. YOu have to remember they probably changed styles after what.. 78 generations. The greatest resemblance is the rectangular plate that rests below someone's neck. Boots seem the same too. And one more thing, his armor wasn't penetrated by the youma, something only the "special claymore armor" has been able to do so far. Galk's armor etc, were all easily penetrated buy an attack. Clearly Raki's armor is special.

One more thing, raising his hand to deflect the attack rather than moving, may or may not suggest that hes stil human because hes not fast enough to move his entire body, therfore using his hands. Or he just doesnt feel like moving, or its cooler. Don't know.

Oh yeah, we really don't know human capability. As far as we know, humans usually use 30% of what they are capable of. Raki could have had training to rise it up to 100%. Basically mental and physical training. 3xhuman beats youma? I think thats possible.

[Anh_Minh]

That, or it's Priscilla and Isley's child. She's already so tough she actually took down both of her parents.

[Ryuken]

I would like to think that the girl is not Prisci. Maybe a trainee, like so many had suggested.

[Awakened]

That little girl has to be Rakis and Priscilla daughter or Priscilla and Isley daughter. On page 21 Raki ask the girl, "can you tell which one it is?". If she was Priscilla, why will he ask her? If it’s his daughter, asking her will make perfect sense.

Priscilla seemed to be closer to Raki than to Isley. We never see her showing affection towards Isley, but she trough herself at Raki the first time they met. So the girl is most likelly Priscilla and Raki's daughter.

After saying all that, I can't imagine Priscilla letting Raki going out on his own and leaving her behind. I could very well be Priscilla, but am leaning towards Raki and Priscilla's daughter. Ok, so maybe its Priscilla.

If it's Priscilla, eventually Clare will have to forgive her and team up with her.

I still think that Raki armor is made out of Isley body and is filled with yoki. Moving armor give you no advantage in battle. Moving armor can be a disadvantage, if you don't move it in time to stop the attack you are finish. Why take that chance? Weight is a big factor when it comes to armor, adding all kinds of contraptions, only increases the weight. We already know that Raki armor is special, so it cannot just be something insignificant. Raki enemies are yoma's and Abs, if he gets no power boost he will remain a nonfactor when it comes to fighting Abs.

Having a yoki filled armor is the perfect way to give Raki a power boost without him turning into a Claymore.

[Ryuken]

@Awakened, to me Raki almost look like a necromancer, minus the sword that is.

[Cyclone]

This should teach me to not make translations at 4am after a very long day...

Since somebody mentioned it, I'd like to point out that, in this chapter at least, no where does it explicitly state Miria's insider (協力者) is only 1 person. It could very well be more than 1 unless otherwise explicitly stated. Whether this is a major issue or not....

And about the names, they're actually ガルム　(translit: garumu) and リロ　(translit: riro). I don't think this is going to be a major or interesting topic of debate here though...

Probably not earth shaking (since Riro is dead now and all [yes, riro is right]), but it's nice to get it out there - or people will continue to use terms like "Dragon's kin" instead of tribe/race of Descendants of Dragons.

About GARAMU though, I think it's fair to write it normally as Graham. It's not like we refer to Clare as KUREA クレア. I think it's fair to use the English spelling for names when it's obvious what the name is supposed to be.

yeah "janai" pretty much means "it isn't" so it can also mean "isn't it?" but I think it those cases it needs a ! or ? Since she says "janai rashii" it probably means "don't seem to be"

It says "ireteru" rather than "haitteru" so same kanji, but hes saying
"are you putting alcohol into your blood?" and she says "I'm putting 50% in"

A lot of details are cut out, maybe they were lost in translation or maybe this guy likes to streamline things.

Yeah, '-janai' has always been a bit of a mess in my head. I was told that western punctuation like '!' or '?' was not essential, and that even the japanese punctuation (ka="?", etc) can be left out in some certain situations. Ever since then, it's been confusion in my head on the subject and I usually end up playing it by ear when I run across it (choose whichever seems to make sense most).

My bad about ireteru (carelessness on 'familiar' kanji on my part). In any case, it's the same term Clare uses all along. Get rid of old toxins vs. Entering of new toxins ... she's limiting entry to half, so Cid will have to give her twice the usual amount to get his way :p

[Cyclone]

That little girl has to be Rakis and Priscilla daughter or Priscilla and Isley daughter. On page 21 Raki ask the girl, "can you tell which one it is?". If she was Priscilla, why will he ask her? If it’s his daughter, asking her will make perfect sense.

Priscilla seemed to be closer to Raki than to Isley. We never see her showing affection towards Isley, but she trough herself at Raki the first time they met. So the girl is most likelly Priscilla and Raki's daughter.

After saying all that, I can't imagine Priscilla letting Raki going out on his own and leaving her behind. I could very well be Priscilla, but am leaning towards Raki and Priscilla's daughter. Ok, so maybe its Priscilla.

If it's Priscilla, eventually Clare will have to forgive her and team up with her.

I still think that Raki armor is made out of Isley body and is filled with yoki. Moving armor give you no advantage in battle. Moving armor can be a disadvantage, if you don't move it in time to stop the attack you are finish. Why take that chance? Weight is a big factor when it comes to armor, adding all kinds of contraptions, only increases the weight. We already know that Raki armor is special, so it cannot just be something insignificant. Raki enemies are yoma's and Abs, if he gets no power boost he will remain a nonfactor when it comes to fighting Abs.

Having a yoki filled armor is the perfect way to give Raki a power boost without him turning into a Claymore.

About the child:
I suppose it's possible, but if it's Raki's child, I'm having a hard time believing her would be criss-crossing the continent looking for his old girlfriend.

About the armor:

The telescoping from the elbow piece there would add almost no weigth (just a little for any release mechanism catch [couple of grams] - it's not like he'd need battery powered actuators or anything fancy like that). While it theoretically could be practical by keeping the weight distribution further up the arm in most cases, the issue I see with it is reliability and maintence. I still think Raki choose it becuase it looked cool more than anything.

[Zsych]

I think Raki returning as a decently powerful human fighter is among the worst possible return states for his character, unless he somehow brings with him a possible reason for the Ghosts to ally with Isley(which isn't likely). As a human fighter he's basically too weak. He's no longer Clare's cook, but not worthwhile in his new role.

As for the girl, I'd bet on Priscilla(possibly not recognized by Clare 'cus she looks different), or random kid.

If they take Raki to the other continent though, it may be that there are places a human can infiltrate that youki bearing beasts might not be able to.

[Anima]

Raki going around with "his daughter" looking for Clare is not something nice of him. I mean imagine once he finds Clare and introduces the girl as his daughter. A really nice reaction from Clare, I'd imagine. Raki also seems devoted to finding Clare so I can't see him screwing around with Priscilla.

She might be a new dispatched Claymore which Raki or Isley found and took care of for whatever reason. She seems as young as Miata so it's possible. Could she also be an AB who Isley have recruited and also given to Raki to babysit? I see that as a possibility as well.

[hell88]

Finally got to read chapter 80, now I can't wait for July to get here so I can read 81!

[Flar]

Finally read it, and I have to say, that even though I don't remember who I had the discussion with, there was no Lune outside, no trap from the org, and no cloaked assassin team jumping the ghosts. :p

Moving on, it sucks to be Raki. While the new continent changes things a bit, it's obvious the power difference didn't change at all between him and the movers and shakers of the story (relatively speaking). If he ever joins with the ghosts, he is bound to become the useless member of the team (think of any girl, except Nami, in a shonen fighting team), and slow everyone down while always getting in the way by wanting to fight and getting creamed. He will shine against grunts like Yomas, but that's about it.

The good thing, though, is that the girl being Priscilla, he won't join the ghosts, or meet Clare until late in the story, the potential for drama is just too great. And not being claymorized, but being aware of Priscilla's yoma part, he will jump between her and Clare bawwwing his eyes out, without the excuse of ignorance.

If it is not Priscilla, Claymore has jumped the shark, that's all.

[Awakened]

About the child:
I suppose it's possible, but if it's Raki's child, I'm having a hard time believing her would be criss-crossing the continent looking for his old girlfriend.

About the armor:

The telescoping from the elbow piece there would add almost no weigth (just a little for any release mechanism catch [couple of grams] - it's not like he'd need battery powered actuators or anything fancy like that). While it theoretically could be practical by keeping the weight distribution further up the arm in most cases, the issue I see with it is reliability and maintence. I still think Raki choose it becuase it looked cool more than anything.

The armor would not be that simple. When he puts his hands down it would not stay in place. There has to be a sping to pull it back and a locking mechanisim to keep it from moving. He also need a way to keep it from moving when he does not want it to move. It might be simple, but in real life a simple mechanisim would not be a good thing on an armor.

[Nvis]

Little girl seems very interesting to me.

[Awakened]

Raki going around with "his daughter" looking for Clare is not something nice of him. I mean imagine once he finds Clare and introduces the girl as his daughter. A really nice reaction from Clare, I'd imagine. Raki also seems devoted to finding Clare so I can't see him screwing around with Priscilla.

She might be a new dispatched Claymore which Raki or Isley found and took care of for whatever reason. She seems as young as Miata so it's possible. Could she also be an AB who Isley have recruited and also given to Raki to babysit? I see that as a possibility as well.

As far as we know, Clare and Raki only had a brother sister relationship. I rather Clare end up with Cid than with Raki.

[ergon]

Well I finally found a Jump Square. I saw a couple of things that I thought were different from Shrimpy's version.

of course, the risk still wasn't eliminated
there were incidents of them losing control of their power and awakening near their encampment
or returning wounded from enemy territory and ripping open* their own comrades
(it said 牙剥く, I'm not familiar with the word but reading it literally would mean "pare/peel with a fang/tusk)

that Garm bastard
stole my carriage
something like this happening, I should have just ran away yesterday
hey, leaving the village without permission won't be tolerated
we gathered the money to call a claymore from the whole town you know
oh?
we did the same thing 7 years ago!
how many do we have to kill before they’re gone, these yoma
shut up! don’t ask me!


I thought it was funny how Deneve+Helen are just like Gark+Cid. We'll see if likes or opposites attract :)

[tenken627]

The armor would not be that simple. When he puts his hands down it would not stay in place. There has to be a sping, or a locking mechanisim to keep it from moving. He also need a way to keep it from moving when he does not want it to move. It might be simple, but in real life a simple mechanisim would not be a good thing on an armor.


Raki's armor is actually a prototype for a new mobile suit weapon called the Gundam.

Not only does the suit protect Raki by shifting parts to intercept incoming attacks, he also wields the powerful Raki Blade that can penetrate yomas on land or in space. The mobile suit also allows him to shoot Raki Beams from his eyeballs.

[Sunater]

So Raki has stumbled into the impossible!


A human got trained by, one of the most monstrous awakened beings ever in existence and he gets to live and search for his goals while guided by another awakened being.

What is it that is so special with Raki? It`s probably only LUCK! though I doubt that..

I mean, it`s understandable if that was Clare, her having Terese`s flesh and all.. but for Raki?

The former king of annoyingness and tears has been transformed into a human with the level of a Claymore..


PS: Who els was extremely annoyed of the new "text" style for the manga pics?
(In OneManga), I mean wtf, I preferred the way it used to be.

[flarezard]

@Awakened, to me Raki almost look like a necromancer, minus the sword that is.

When I first saw him, I thought I saw 'Prince Caspian'...:heh:

[Ryuken]

When I first saw him, I thought I saw 'Prince Caspian'...:heh:

From the second installment of Nania the movie, of course, now I remember. Except that, that dude had longer hair compared to Raki. :);)

[wtfftw]

For real i always hated raki but that was cuz of the anime and ooh was i so wrong raki is totally badass now.

I mean the guy has no fear is like a prodigy youma killer and has a lil kid on his sholder the guy is plain pawnage.

Clare is like freaking scary i remember a time when i was like lcare is weak xD but now she is like dissin helene with im strong so i dont get drunk xD. Its like WOW clare is on steroids she talks like a guy xD



You know the the sexiest girl in claymore for me are teresa and miria. But seeing reading these last chapters i would never date a girl like her cuz she would know anything i did every second of the day. Its Like who were you talking to. Nobody dont lie, i have an inside GF at ***** who say you talked for 2:34 min, talking bout s*x.

SCARY!!!!

My geuss is miria might be saying that all she know but she know more.

I also somehow find it weird yet i dunno that galathea now is like normal for the new crew cuz like it almost sounded like a drop out wanting to join a group. "Can i do anything to help". Galathea should get an upgrade. My elf character on Lineage 2(Game) is called galathea Galathea shoudl get training^^ and start pawning left and right.

My last comment will there be a game for claymore? Cuz that would be my 2nd addiction next to claymore

[hell88]

Raki's armor is actually a prototype for a new mobile suit weapon called the Gundam.

Not only does the suit protect Raki by shifting parts to intercept incoming attacks, he also wields the powerful Raki Blade that can penetrate yomas on land or in space. The mobile suit also allows him to shoot Raki Beams from his eyeballs.

Gundam's so thats how it all started.XD

I sure hope the organization doesn't get these plans on the Gundam. Then everybody will have one.:heh:

[yurifan]

@ yurifan - i think you being a yuri fan explains it all why you hate him. :P i'm just kidding xD!!

being a yurifan, it doesnt mean that I hate all men, I just hate that character. no matter how much he has grown up, he's just a lil weak cry babe to me. killing some weak yoma it doesnt mean that he's really strong right now. That brat :frustrated: he was always in ppls way.

and i dont think the child is his daughter, maybe she's just someone he's rescued while she's being attacked by yomas. I think raki will end up with clare.

@awakened: bro and sis don't do mouth kiss.

[wtfftw]

cut raki some slack i was just like you ^^ i hated his guts but if you wait months for a chap and you dont have any raki in it you forget him fast not to mention the author now present him as being uber freaking l33t.

I mean if you hate raki and keep on hating him you will get dissappointed in this show.

[Sarugaki]

OMG Raki is back and he's badass, this is shocking news

[HSeeker25]

Altho im happy to read the translation, the editing part was terible.
The text font was a pain to read,

[Synyster]

That little girl has to be Rakis and Priscilla daughter or Priscilla and Isley daughter. On page 21 Raki ask the girl, "can you tell which one it is?". If she was Priscilla, why will he ask her? If it’s his daughter, asking her will make perfect sense.

Priscilla seemed to be closer to Raki than to Isley. We never see her showing affection towards Isley, but she trough herself at Raki the first time they met. So the girl is most likelly Priscilla and Raki's daughter.

After saying all that, I can't imagine Priscilla letting Raki going out on his own and leaving her behind. I could very well be Priscilla, but am leaning towards Raki and Priscilla's daughter. Ok, so maybe its Priscilla.

If it's Priscilla, eventually Clare will have to forgive her and team up with her.

I still think that Raki armor is made out of Isley body and is filled with yoki. Moving armor give you no advantage in battle. Moving armor can be a disadvantage, if you don't move it in time to stop the attack you are finish. Why take that chance? Weight is a big factor when it comes to armor, adding all kinds of contraptions, only increases the weight. We already know that Raki armor is special, so it cannot just be something insignificant. Raki enemies are yoma's and Abs, if he gets no power boost he will remain a nonfactor when it comes to fighting Abs.

Having a yoki filled armor is the perfect way to give Raki a power boost without him turning into a Claymore.
Agreed :D

But I really doubt that the girl is Raki's daughter. And in the end, I really hope that Raki is a male claymore.

[Blackmoon042]

Thanks for the responses.

Yeah, '-janai' has always been a bit of a mess in my head. I was told that western punctuation like '!' or '?' was not essential, and that even the japanese punctuation (ka="?", etc) can be left out in some certain situations. Ever since then, it's been confusion in my head on the subject and I usually end up playing it by ear when I run across it (choose whichever seems to make sense most).

My bad about ireteru (carelessness on 'familiar' kanji on my part). In any case, it's the same term Clare uses all along. Get rid of old toxins vs. Entering of new toxins ... she's limiting entry to half, so Cid will have to give her twice the usual amount to get his way :p

At the part where Clare says, "But it may be because I'm not all that weak to begin with", do you think that could possibly mean that she's only capable of blocking half the alcohol from entering her blood stream, while she does have the ability, though, to expel it from her bloodstream if she wanted? Also, I see what you and Ergon said about the translations not including a lot of info, but I just don't want to believe my most favorite character of any series, story, etc. ever would not try to prevent herself from getting drunk (assuming she can totally control toxins inside her). :(

[Cyclone]

Thanks for the responses.



At the part where Clare says, "But it may be because I'm not all that weak to begin with", do you think that could possibly mean that she's only capable of blocking half the alcohol from entering her blood stream, while she does have the ability, though, to expel it from her bloodstream if she wanted? Also, I see what you and Ergon said about the translations not including a lot of info, but I just don't want to believe my most favorite character of any series, story, etc. ever would not try to prevent herself from getting drunk (assuming she can totally control toxins inside her). :(

Why not believe it? What's the point of going drinking at all if you're going to stay 100% sober. Not like she's the designated driver or anything. I think she choose to reduce the effect but not eliminate it. Besides, if a fight or anythign comes up, like she said, she can become sober almost instantly with a mere thought. She's old enough - let the poor girl have some fun too!

There are 3 different scanlations out as of now, and 2 of them seem very good and accurate with nice fonts. The one most people seem to be reading though, is the first release with those horrid fonts from the poor quality chinese translation.

The other 2 translations also seem to be thinking along the same lines though - seems to be that she can hold her drink well naturally without the needing to limit the intake much.

[ashesatdusk]

Is Raki's carrying Priscilla around with him?

Who ever it is can detect Yoma energy.

Unfortunately I still have whiney old raki in my head, I still wish Priscilla had eaten him and gotten him out of the way ages ago.

[Expendable GM Pilot]

I hate Raki's new haircut. Makes him look like a Clarice kind of.

[Blackmoon042]

Why not believe it? What's the point of going drinking at all if you're going to stay 100% sober.

I'm really, really similar to Clare in most ways, and I guess that's why she's my most favorite character ever. I don't like the effects of alcohol except for the relaxing effect, which is probably the reason why she's only allowing 50% or so into her bloodstream, and maybe the rest is just because she likes the flavor. Also, I don't drink. I think some people drink alcohol just for the taste, not the effects, but I guess this isn't the case with Clare.

Not like she's the designated driver or anything. I think she choose to reduce the effect but not eliminate it. Besides, if a fight or anythign comes up, like she said, she can become sober almost instantly with a mere thought. She's old enough - let the poor girl have some fun too!

There are 3 different scanlations out as of now, and 2 of them seem very good and accurate with nice fonts. The one most people seem to be reading though, is the first release with those horrid fonts from the poor quality chinese translation.

The other 2 translations also seem to be thinking along the same lines though - seems to be that she can hold her drink well naturally without the needing to limit the intake much.

Oh, thank you. I'll try searching for the other two translations again.

[MAQI]

Is Raki's carrying Priscilla around with him?

Who ever it is can detect Yoma energy.

Unfortunately I still have whiney old raki in my head, I still wish Priscilla had eaten him and gotten him out of the way ages ago.

I think its priscilla, considering his history and training with her and Isley he formed a bond with her, and got training from him. I think he has been traing with priscilla to become this powerful. Does anyone think he is searching for an awakend one? He said "too bad its not here" what or who was he talking about? I don't think he would refer to Clare as "it". If clare and Raki meet and priscilla is with Raki, I wonder which side he'll be on? Or if there will be a fight, or if considering the new info we just learned about, if pricilla will help the claymores...Too many questions!!!!!! I wish this was a weekly manga!

[Cyclone]

I think its priscilla, considering his history and training with her and Isley he formed a bond with her, and got training from him. I think he has been traing with priscilla to become this powerful. Does anyone think he is searching for an awakend one? He said "too bad its not here" what or who was he talking about? I don't think he would refer to Clare as "it". If clare and Raki meet and priscilla is with Raki, I wonder which side he'll be on? Or if there will be a fight, or if considering the new info we just learned about, if pricilla will help the claymores...Too many questions!!!!!! I wish this was a weekly manga!

I swear - people who scanlate translations from chinese translations should undergo Duff's and Riful's awakening process. Please find one of the better scanlations.

He did not say "it". Japanese often omits "obvious" parts of sentences, like the subject, so it's not explicit who he was talking about, but from the words chosen, seems clear it's a person, not a thing.

[MAQI]

I swear - people who scanlate translations from chinese translations should undergo Duff's and Riful's awakening process. Please find one of the better scanlations.

He did not say "it". Japanese often omits "obvious" parts of sentences, like the subject, so it's not explicit who he was talking about, but from the words chosen, seems clear it's a person, not a thing.

Yeah I figured as much, I really thought he was looking for clare, because Clare was told he was looking for her by the soldier in the bar scene. I guess the shitty translation threw me off. I'll try to find a better one. Thanks for the advice.:D

[Cyclone]

I'm really, really similar to Clare in most ways, and I guess that's why she's my most favorite character ever.

Hehe... will you go out with me? :love: :naughty:
:joke:
:innocent:

[PGilis]

Hehe... will you go out with me? :love: :naughty:
:joke:
:innocent:

Probably she will accept just if you are similar to Grow-up Raki. :heh: :p

[Nvis]

No one considers the little girl could be a Claymore (or hybrid created by Isley's group)?

We had claymore-human partners before.....

[clarakiss~]

i'm like undine + rachael... o.o lol lol lol i'm just messin' w/ ya :3 me is more like re-l (ergo proxy) mesh with jill valentine (re)

i'm thinking of cosplaying as a claymore next year at anime expo ^^;

[Blackmoon042]

Hehe... will you go out with me? :love: :naughty:
:joke:
:innocent:

lol :p

Probably she will accept just if you are similar to Grow-up Raki. :heh: :p

Well, I like Raki some.

[ergon]

Yeah, I actually translated the whole chapter yesterday, after I saw the bad scanlation but then I saw shrimpy's, he does a good job.

[tenken627]

lol :p



Well, I like Raki some.

He is going to do Raki cosplay at the next anime con, so that's perfect.



No one considers the little girl could be a Claymore (or hybrid created by Isley's group)?

We had claymore-human partners before.....

Well, I think these are all the possibilities that has been talked about on this forum about the little girl:

1) Claymore trainee escaped (rescued?) from the Organization
2) Priscilla
3) Riful
4) Priscilla + Raki's child
5) Priscilla + Isley's child
6) A Miata-like "sixth sensor" that's been somewhere picked up by Raki
7) A girl from the other continent
8) A yoma
9) An Awakened Being
10) Luune

I feel like I'm missing some.

[ergon]

I'd like to see someone dress as the ghosts. All the cosplays I've seen, they've failed at either the armor, or the swords, or the hair, or the body (well you can't really blame them for not having a claymore body :) ) Its pretty hard to pull of I guess. But the Ghosts might be possible.

[Razaekel]

10sigh has released his translation, and it makes far more sense than other translations.

At the part where Clare says, "But it may be because I'm not all that weak to begin with", do you think that could possibly mean that she's only capable of blocking half the alcohol from entering her blood stream, while she does have the ability, though, to expel it from her bloodstream if she wanted?

It seems the better translation for this line would be "But I seem to have some tolerance by nature." Thus, while she has the ability to block all of the alcohol from entering the bloodstream, she's only allowing half of it to enter, and even the effect of that is reduced due to a natural tolerance for alcohol.

[tenken627]

I'd like to see someone dress as the ghosts. All the cosplays I've seen, they've failed at either the armor, or the swords, or the hair, or the body (well you can't really blame them for not having a claymore body :) ) Its pretty hard to pull of I guess. But the Ghosts might be possible.

I actually would like to see some Claymore cosplays as well. The gigantic cosplay thread on the General Chat forum doesn't have a single Claymore one.

[Cyclone]

Probably she will accept just if you are similar to Grow-up Raki. :heh: :p

Doh! I knew there'd be a catch...
Well, we'll see how my Raki oufit goes I guess (still got some time before the next con though)...

[Droplet]

i'm glad raki's drawing has been consistent. i just happened to notice that yagi didn't forget raki's scar near his left eye brow.

you could compare it by looking on page 30 on chapter 1 and on page 31 on chapter 80.

great chapter by the way. clare definitely looked nostalgic at the bar after knowing that raki had a little girl with him.

[evil_kenshin]

great chapter by the way. clare definitely looked nostalgic at the bar after knowing that raki had a little girl with him.

actually i took it as more sadness that his been with someone else (if its true) ;)

[Droplet]

yeah, guess it's more interesting that she feels jealous thinking of the possibility that raki had a daughter. : D

[clarakiss~]

a mixed feeling of happiness that he is still alive and also sadness of not being able to find him as soon as possible might be what she felt. u.u

and hearing of this girl is probably bouncing in her head now...

[cedec0]

Here is what I think:

Raki is no longer human, and he was playing around with this yoma.

Raki could have killed the yoma in a single strike, but he instead chopped off an arm because he wanted the yoma to reveal itself. Likewise, Raki meant for the yoma to avoid his second strike by using its supernatural speed. It is only after the yoma's first attack (and the villagers realized it was a yoma) that Raki went in for the kill. If he had been serious, he would have gone for the head and killed the yoma in one strike using the element of surprise.

A biggest reason I believe Raki is no longer human is his attitude. He acts as though killing normal yoma is child's play. Do you think if Priscilla had pointed to more than one yoma, he would have asked for help? I think not. Raki acted as he were 100% sure of victory, without knowing how many yoma there were or how strong those yoma might be. If Raki was still human, he would show more caution.

A human can't become as strong as the current Raki through training alone. If 7 years of intense training were enough to turn a regular human into a yoma killing machine, then there would be many traveling mercenaries competing with claymores to kill yoma. Killing yoma is a high paying job.

If Raki is still human, I will be hugely disappointed. While Claire doesn't age, human Raki would grow old and die. Also Claire as gotten a LOT stronger (she can now deal with high level awakened beings effortlessly). Finally, if Raki is still human, why the hell did he charge at a yoma without having any idea how strong it was? If Raki is human, then his actions in this last chapter were suicidal.

If Raki loves Claire, then it only makes sense for him to become a claymore.

Final thoughts:

Although Raki is no longer human, it doesn't mean he is a claymore. He could be an awakened being in Priscilla's mold (ie: always staying in human form without ever seeming to eat anyone). Having Raki be an AB traveling with Priscilla would make for a VERY interesting reunion with Claire.

[chibamonster]

The biggest problem a human would have with killing youma is knowing where the youma is. No one can detect them. As GI Joe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AjcDW7zIY8) said, "Now you know and knowing is half the battle." The question is why Raki has this little girl with him. We know she can sense youma. But can Raki? We do not know for sure yet but it seems that he is relying on the shoulder perching girl to spot them for him.

I also think that Raki specially training to kill youma will have a big difference in his success if he is still human. Like the youma we saw outside Riful's cave who knew Claymore tactics, especially if 2 youma shoot in for a Claymore's leg then the Claymore will jump leaving them entirely opened to an areal assault by winged youma. Clare surprised them by knowing what they were up to with her youki sensing and having Irene's arm, but even a stronger opponent can lose if their patterns are known.

Raki, unlike most humans, has seen dozens and dozens of Youma killed by Clare. He has seen them in battle. He would not be surprised by their tactics as another human would be. He has also seen Claymores and even an AB in action. Raki even trained with an Abyssal one so he has quite the advantage over other humans. "Now you know and knowing is half the battle."

[cedec0]

***Just realized something***

Raki asked Priscilla, "do you know who it is?" He seems to already know there is only ONE yoma (last time I think there were five). How would he know the number of yoma unless HE COULD SENSE YOMA?

If my scanlation isn't wrong, Raki senses there is one yoma present BY HIMSELF and then ask Priscilla to confirm/pinpoint who it is.

[evil_kenshin]

***Just realized something***

Raki asked Priscilla, "do you know who it is?" He seems to already know there is only ONE yoma (last time I think there were five). How would he know the number of yoma unless HE COULD SENSE YOMA?

If my scanlation isn't wrong, Raki senses there is one yoma present BY HIMSELF and then ask Priscilla to confirm/pinpoint who it is.

were still assuming its priscilla, but thats what i got too. Basically i think that IF Raki can sense them, that his a poor sensor and can only detect one in the area rather than pinpoint them

[myshka]

wow so many crazy theories...I really dont think Yagi would drop another bombshell like an Ab's and human's offspring when it comes to the little girl. That would be totally overboard right now with Miria's revelation and all. It has to be either Priscilla or a Miata-like girl( a more likely senario). In either case, no way it's Raki's kid...

[cedec0]

were still assuming its priscilla, but thats what i got too. Basically i think that IF Raki can sense them, that his a poor sensor and can only detect one in the area rather than pinpoint them

Maybe he is capable of pinpoint yoma, but isn't very good at it. So instead of wasting time doing it carefully himself, he asked Priscilla

About Priscilla

Maybe this isn't Priscilla. Maybe it is some other girl who is as small as Priscilla, dresses like Priscilla, can sense yoma like Priscilla, clings to Raki like Priscilla, acts frail like Priscilla, and who never talks like priscilla. Or it could be Priscilla.

[Cyclone]

***Just realized something***

Raki asked Priscilla, "do you know who it is?" He seems to already know there is only ONE yoma (last time I think there were five). How would he know the number of yoma unless HE COULD SENSE YOMA?

If my scanlation isn't wrong, Raki senses there is one yoma present BY HIMSELF and then ask Priscilla to confirm/pinpoint who it is.

I know I said I would do this late at night, but what the heck...

Your scanlation has no way to be accurate in this case. Japanese rarely use explicit plurals. For example, when they say apple - they could mean 1, 50 or an entire apple orchard's harvest. It's another thing inferred from the all solving miracle that is the magic of 'context'. *sigh* the joys of japanese...

Raki says: "doitsu ka wakaru ka?"
Means: "who is it? do you know?"

Please note, due to the above mentioned reasons, he could just as easily be saying: "who are they? do you know?" There is no difference in Japanese.

The girl (which I don't think was Pricialla) pointed at one, so Raki killed one.

[Cyclone]

Maybe he is capable of pinpoint yoma, but isn't very good at it. So instead of wasting time doing it carefully himself, he asked Priscilla

About Priscilla

Maybe this isn't Priscilla. Maybe it is some other girl who is as small as Priscilla, dresses like Priscilla, can sense yoma like Priscilla, clings to Raki like Priscilla, acts frail like Priscilla, and who never talks like priscilla. Or it could be Priscilla.

Pricilla is smaller, dresses nothing like the girl, and would not be confused by Cid as being Raki's daughter. You may want to go back to ES3, Pieta, or the Teresa Arc to remind yourself exactly what she looks like, and that she is not exactly a midget. That said... could be Pricilla's daughter...

[yezhanquan]

Nice observations. Then again, the (mis)translations is key.

[chibamonster]

I think the height argument is a little vague with so little reference to say the shoulder girl is flat out not Priscilla. How tall is Raki 7 years later? He sure seems pretty tall compared to the villagers. Originally he came up right under Clare's shoulder. Isley seems to be about the same height as Clare when compared to Raki making him no giant. Priscilla was a bit smaller than Raki was 7 years ago. She seems to come up to about his eyes, although most of the shots I see have a bit of perspective so it is not absolute measurement. It certainly seemed that Priscilla changed shape quite a bit from her claymore form to when we saw her later. I do not know if she changed shape again but it is not uncharted territory. That or Raki is just huge if it is Priscilla.

The girl wears a cloak and Raki left pretty fast and seemed to be avoiding conversation with Cid about her. The girl is intentionally a mystery and it certainly could be Priscilla if Yagi wanted it to be. If not it can also be a new character. If it is a new character Priscilla's child might be very interesting. Especially if Priscilla or Isley wanted Raki to raise her as a human so she never became a monster like them. Or something to that effect.

It is hard for me to predict a new character because there are so many possibilities. Remember when Galatea was initially fighting Miata and the chapter ended with a scream that Cid recognized as a youma? We speculated like crazy and even mentioned an AB (although we thought it unlikely that Galatea would let an AB live in her town, which we were right about) but we certainly could not predict the situation with Agatha. But if we speculate enough eventually we have to hit on something that will happen :D.

[Xhokhusmak]

***Just realized something***

Raki asked Priscilla, "do you know who it is?" He seems to already know there is only ONE yoma (last time I think there were five). How would he know the number of yoma unless HE COULD SENSE YOMA?

If my scanlation isn't wrong, Raki senses there is one yoma present BY HIMSELF and then ask Priscilla to confirm/pinpoint who it is.

Girl: There's one yoma in that town up ahead
Raki: Oh really? Hey, that's my hometown. Lets go.

...

Raki: Do you know who it is?



You're overthinking things.


edit: wait. I'm sorry

Galm (The guy running off with the carthorse): A yoma has appeared in town!

[clarakiss~]

the soldiers fighting on the mainland; their armors looks pretty similar to the one raki is wearing. could it be possible he, isley and priscilla went to the mainland in those 7 years and somehow brought back the girl in the process?

[yezhanquan]

Hmmm.... I doubt so. Don't think Isley will be willing to take them for an exploration trip.

[Cyclone]

I think the height argument is a little vague with so little reference to say the shoulder girl is flat out not Priscilla. How tall is Raki 7 years later? He sure seems pretty tall compared to the villagers. Originally he came up right under Clare's shoulder. Isley seems to be about the same height as Clare when compared to Raki making him no giant. Priscilla was a bit smaller than Raki was 7 years ago. She seems to come up to about his eyes, although most of the shots I see have a bit of perspective so it is not absolute measurement. It certainly seemed that Priscilla changed shape quite a bit from her claymore form to when we saw her later. I do not know if she changed shape again but it is not uncharted territory. That or Raki is just huge if it is Priscilla.

The girl wears a cloak and Raki left pretty fast and seemed to be avoiding conversation with Cid about her. The girl is intentionally a mystery and it certainly could be Priscilla if Yagi wanted it to be. If not it can also be a new character. If it is a new character Priscilla's child might be very interesting. Especially if Priscilla or Isley wanted Raki to raise her as a human so she never became a monster like them. Or something to that effect.

It is hard for me to predict a new character because there are so many possibilities. Remember when Galatea was initially fighting Miata and the chapter ended with a scream that Cid recognized as a youma? We speculated like crazy and even mentioned an AB (although we thought it unlikely that Galatea would let an AB live in her town, which we were right about) but we certainly could not predict the situation with Agatha. But if we speculate enough eventually we have to hit on something that will happen :D.

chiba, you know I value your opinions and more often than not, we're thinking along the same lines. This whole "it's Pricilla" thing is just silly and needs to stop, and hopefully I can put it to rest right now:

Pricilla is 165 cm tall. That is 5' 5"
Source: Databook #1

She's not tall, but no midget either. Clare is 170 cm or 5'7".

So I ask you, the CHILD on Raki's shoulders seems no more than 60% of his height. Thus the post time skip raki grew to 275 cm or a little over 9 feet tall? He really seem that tall to you?

[yezhanquan]

Has Priscilla been shown to shrink after her awakening? I think that will help convince me whether the girl is Priscilla.

[Cyclone]

Galm (The guy running off with the carthorse): A yoma has appeared in town!

Slight problem:
The thing I said about plurals above (the whole apples example), applies to youma in this case too...

[yezhanquan]

True. In Japanese, you can never tell for sure when they're talking about one or many.

[clarakiss~]

onemanga.com translation for chapter 80 is different now, i wonder why? was the other one terribly wrong? o.o??

[evil_kenshin]

onemanga.com translation for chapter 80 is different now, i wonder why? was the other one terribly wrong? o.o??

it was lower quality and not as good translation in some parts so probably why

[Ancient Soul]

The horror will be to see Raki and the little girl cooking and eating the youma in front of
the villagers (like some tribes or people in old cultures) who eat their enemies in order to
gain their strenght (and thus giving us a little claymore gore).Maybe this is how they sense to some extend youmas and still be humans (if they still are).In this situation what What will Clare think about Raki's feeding habits?

...if that little girl is feeding on youmas...no wonder that Raki would not like to talk about
her with others...so in fact Raki could still be a cook...for that girl...

I just wait for Raki to meet Clare :

Raki : Clare i'm strong enough to protect you now!
Clare : Oh, really?Can you do this then? (use quicksword\windcutter\awaken her limbs)
Raki : ...No i can't!!! (start to cry...AGAIN)

About soldiers in the first panels :

I really doubt that a single one of them is a human.I don't see why to send "normal humans" in battle when both sides are using "monsters".Until now we had seen regular AB capable of razing whole cities , not to talk about what AO can do.More likely they are MiBs like soldiers (above average humans soldiers) with good armours and weapons.Also right now i very courious about what the other side can unlesh except the DoDs.I don't see them just sit down and waiting for The ORG side to gain the upper hand.

[yezhanquan]

Ancient_Soul: THAT is wicked XD.

[chibamonster]

@Cyclone: I appreciate the compliment :D. I think the data books are referring to Priscilla's height as a claymore as it is the organizations compilation (although I have only skimmed the data book once so I could be mistaken). AB Priscilla, not her awakened form of course, is shorter than Raki, and Raki really only comes to Clare's shoulder. I flipped through the manga to check it out looking for reference and Priscilla always is shorter than young Raki. It really seems that Priscilla only comes to Raki's eyes from what I could see. That is much more than the 2 inch difference to Clare's height of 5'7" I think. It means Clare is a whole head taller than Priscilla and then some. Although I might just not have looked over the data books close enough.

@Ancient_soul: I see I am not the only one who wonders how Raki's cooking skill has improved over the last 7 years :D. Youma might be delicious and nutritious.

[superzombie23]

Raki was exposed way earlier than he should have been imo. Now, I'm not really as excited as I was before. I hate Raki now ._. , but I'll probably get over his new looks and what not once we get some dialogue and drama.

[Anima]

I just had an idea about those controllable AB. I somehow think that Clarice might actually be THE successful AB project. We haven't seen her release any yoki even in the most dire situations.

Having her "graduate" and pass that final test after training is really puzzling to me. She is pretty weak and has a very small amount of yoki flawing as indicated by Galatea. I wouldn't be surprised if she awakened that she would be in total control of herself. Of course her power could be ridiculous but that's the first step for controllable ABs. She might be actually the winning card for the ghosts one day.

Why all of a sudden I remember Clarice? She was given too much panel time and yet not much significance (if any) to the story whatsoever.

As for those few scenes from the other continent. I can't help but notice how those ABs are HUGE. Of course size doesn't always matter for AB as an indication of power but we are talking Isley and Riful size here if not even larger. My point is that the DoDs are really strong to be able to kill those ABs. We've seen that relying on sheer numbers to win against a single AB is hardly useful for Claymores so those DoDs must be something.

Also have you people noticed that there are 3 identical ABs in the 2-3 pages of this chapter? or are those DoDs? In the lab continent, no AB is similar to another so I find it really strange if those were really ABs.

Edit: Those identical creatures are actually the DoDs..

[Flar]

So I ask you, the CHILD on Raki's shoulders seems no more than 60% of his height. Thus the post time skip raki grew to 275 cm or a little over 9 feet tall? He really seem that tall to you?I submit that Yagi is bad with drawing relative sizes.

Just look at this image comparison I quickly mashed together :
http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/06/08//mini_080608010154142632161168.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=080608010154142632161168.jpg)

you see here that:
Galk is more than a head taller than Sid (let's say, 40 cm more)
Sid is a head taller than Clare (say, 20 cm more)
Clare is one head taller than young Raki (20 cm)
Raki is half a head taller than AO-human-body Priscilla (say, 15 cm)

If Clare is 170, that makes Priscilla be 135cm tall. If Raki is as tall as Galk (or more), as it seems (you see how he is drawn bigger than the people that are closer to the point of view for example), that means he has 95cm on Priscilla, being 2,30 metres tall, and Priscilla, with her 1,35 m, reaches... 59% of his height.


I pasted a few pics of Miata and Clarice below, for comparison. Considering young Raki is just tall enough to bury his face in Clare's breasts, and Priscilla is shorter, it seems she is about as tall as Miata, which isn't suprising if with her trauma, she regressed to the point before she became a Claymore.

Of course, the character will grow or shrink depending on the images and situations, as Yagi always does. As I said, consistency isn't his best suit, on this point.

[mosmos]

@Ancient_soul: I see I am not the only one who wonders how Raki's cooking skill has improved over the last 7 years :D. Youma might be delicious and nutritious.

Oh Yes. Good point from Chiba! That will answer all questions ....Let me explain ..

A Claymore like for example Clare takes Youma's flesh to become stronger.

Raki is good in cooking, especially Youma sashimi, so he eats them! Yummy !
Thus he has become so much stronger now.

Kind Raki takes pity of little orphan girl and feeds her Youma sashimi.
Now she can detects Youma for Raki to hunt to eat!

It all makes sense now ! Thank you!

[mosmos]

I submit that Yagi is bad with drawing relative sizes.

Just look at this image comparison I quickly mashed together :
http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/06/08//mini_080608010154142632161168.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=080608010154142632161168.jpg)


Thanks for your hard work.

That girl most likely not Priscilla. Sorry, She may be afterall..

[Flar]

Thanks for your hard work.

That girl most likely not Priscilla.Hu, actually, if we go by my image, what we last knew of Raki, and the potential of having a Prisc/Raki/Clare confrontation, she is most likely Priscilla.

At least, the height argument against it is void, as far as I am concerned.

[gekigangerV]

did anyone notice or remembered that Raki and Clare split up after Ophelia's ordeal and around 3-4 months Clare did search for him. didn't anyone consider a growth spurt? :D makes sense if you consider Isley and Pricilla meeting up with Raki 4 months later and him gaining around 20cm-30cm height increase :D. also with his time with Isley he does seem more refined

[Flar]

In combination with my first image, here is a clearer comparison. I consider that Raki-ophelia did not get much height, much less, 20cm in the few weeks it took to meet Priscilla though.

http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/06/08//mini_080608030010142632161812.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=080608030010142632161812.jpg)

If Raki got big, seems reasonable enough to have the little girl be Prisc and act like a Riful on the shoulder of Duf.

[gekigangerV]

In males, testosterone, an androgen, is the principal sex steroid. While testosterone produces all the male changes characterized as virilization, a substantial product of testosterone metabolism in males is estradiol, though levels rise later and more slowly than in girls. The male growth spurt also begins later, accelerates more slowly, and lasts longer before the epiphyses fuse. Although boys are 2 cm shorter than girls before puberty begins, adult men are on average about 13 cm (5.2 inches) taller than women.

and i'm not so sure as you can compare it like that. did you consider viewing angles and such. because comparing it from those pictures without the consideration of angles and such would naturally change the height

13cm that is an average. and i'm not so sure that it is a few weeks. 1 month training with Irene. 3months no contact. or lets say 3months at most. if the Raki is not your average person then the possibility of 20cm growth in 3 months is not impossible. actually i can vouch for my life during my high school. i was 160cm that time. my friend a few months ago was shorter than me just a few cm. just after a few months he became around 175cm. i stayed at 160. (which is actually frustrating)

Edit. added info. it seems that it is around 4-5 months that Isley and Raki met which is enough time for a Large growth spurt. vol 9 of claymore it didnt state the time to travel that distance. but judging from the time to get to1 town to the next. around 3-4 days hike. but it's the north how many towns do they need to pass.

[Flar]

and i'm not so sure as you can compare it like that. did you consider viewing angles and such. because comparing it from those pictures without the consideration of angles and such would naturally change the height Yes, see my first link on this page. Comparisons are always taken with both characters seen close (sometimes hugging) and from the same angle.

I don't mean that the kid cannot be anything else than Priscilla, I'm just saying it's possible, and considering Yagi's weak grasp of consistency with sizes, what's drawn doesn't necessarily has to match hard data. Not meaning that Raki can't have had a growth spurt, either, just that for the purpose of creating the comparison image above, I considered he didn't grow much.

About sizes, if you look at Miata, for example, from the chapter she was introduced to now, she goes back and forth between barely reaching Clarice's boobs and being only half a head smaller or less.

[Dawn.]

Raki has gone huge!

[gekigangerV]

Ahh i see the point. and yap it is also a possibility. but I also don't think that is entirely possible. she can ride the horse and walk around so she doesn't necessarily need to sit on top (i more betting on a new character or literally the daughter of pricilla and Isley because of the fact that pricilla controlled her eating habits also with Isley. and they didn't kill Raki because he's like a boy toy or a chaufer for them :D ). yap i see the Miata example. she does go back and forth gaining 5-8 increase in different situations. but checked the views. Miata is mostly on above the breast area. her head just a bit on top of the breast. the ones that she is lower i think i'm going to base the assumption on lower and higher ground that is why she looks lower. claymore vol 13 chapter 73.

[ergon]

since its manga, accurate measurement is pretty hard. But I think young Sid and Clare are about the same height. They're both a little shorter than the guards. And almost a head taller than Raki. In the doorway shot of Sid and Gark theres gotta be a step there or something cuz the difference is smaller in other shots. The shots with Clare and Sid, it looks like shes leaning back, he tends to get too close for comfort ;) In the middle shot Sid seems to be hunched a bit. http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6079/heightuk2.jpg

I always thought Pris has shrunken a bit, never really checked it out though.

[Cyclone]

In combination with my first image, here is a clearer comparison. I consider that Raki-ophelia did not get much height, much less, 20cm in the few weeks it took to meet Priscilla though.

http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/06/08//mini_080608030010142632161812.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=080608030010142632161812.jpg)

If Raki got big, seems reasonable enough to have the little girl be Prisc and act like a Riful on the shoulder of Duf.

If your only point is to show relative sizes of new Raki to Galk, doing so in only 2 montages would have been much better as it eliminates compound error. No need to go through Clare, Cid, and Galk. For example:

http://nsa02.casimages.com/img/2008/06/08/mini_0806080557483592782.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=0806080557483592782.jpg)

Now, with that image in mind (I did my best to guess where the feet start on that image), keep in mind that Clare was on the run from the orgnaization for 3 months post Ophelia, and probably travelled with Raki for a few months more than that post Rabona (Slashers Arc, etc). The 3+ months of growth in Raki before he met Pricilla would make the relative difference even greater (New Raki would be even LARGER).

I, for one, don't think believe that Raki has turned into Gwarp.

[Cyclone]

@Cyclone: I appreciate the compliment :D. I think the data books are referring to Priscilla's height as a claymore as it is the organizations compilation (although I have only skimmed the data book once so I could be mistaken). AB Priscilla, not her awakened form of course, is shorter than Raki, and Raki really only comes to Clare's shoulder. I flipped through the manga to check it out looking for reference and Priscilla always is shorter than young Raki. It really seems that Priscilla only comes to Raki's eyes from what I could see. That is much more than the 2 inch difference to Clare's height of 5'7" I think. It means Clare is a whole head taller than Priscilla and then some. Although I might just not have looked over the data books close enough.

@Ancient_soul: I see I am not the only one who wonders how Raki's cooking skill has improved over the last 7 years :D. Youma might be delicious and nutritious.

We only really see shots ever comapring them when they are both standing (usually Pricilla is sitting). One seems to have Pricilla slightly shorter, but the other (Pricilla throwin herself onto Raki's back) would indicate she's actually a bit taller (her arms are over his shoulders).

[Arkanis]

Does anyone have an idea, why Raki's hair color changed?:eyebrow:

[Cyclone]

Does anyone have an idea, why Raki's hair color changed?:eyebrow:

He's always been blonde

[Flar]

I think young Sid and Clare are about the same height. [...] The shots with Clare and Sid, it looks like shes leaning back, he tends to get too close for comfort ;)
Hah! So Clare is crouching in the following frame, to be still a head shorter? :p
http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/06/08//080608060949142632162513.jpg (http://www.casimages.com)

[ergon]

the only somewhat reliable way to measure the characters is when they're side by side. I don't think there is a side by side shot of Clare and Sid. I had to compare them to the guards and Raki.

[Flar]

If your only point is to show relative sizes of new Raki to Galk, doing so in only 2 montages would have been much better as it eliminates compound error. No need to go through Clare, Cid, and Galk. No, no, I was focalizing on Priscilla. There was a claim before that for the kid to be priscilla, Raki would have to be 280cm or something, so I needed to establish comparison with the kid's height and Priscilla's, and, as you argued Priscilla couldn't be that short, I had to provide comparison of Priscilla's height with other people. I admit Glak, Sid and Clare are redundant, but they give a better sense of scale.

[Flar]

the only somewhat reliable way to measure the characters is when they're side by side. I don't think there is a side by side shot of Clare and Sid. I had to compare them to the guards and Raki.And even side by side, if you check Miata, her relative difference of size with Clarice varies depending on the panel, with the same angle of view.

[Cyclone]

No, no, I was focalizing on Priscilla. There was a claim before that for the kid to be priscilla, Raki would have to be 280cm or something, so I needed to establish comparison with the kid's height and Priscilla's, and, as you argued Priscilla couldn't be that short, I had to provide comparison of Priscilla's height with other people. I admit Glak, Sid and Clare are redundant, but they give a better sense of scale.

In that montage, you just set the Height of Raki == Height of Pricilla, and tried to show that Raki's new height was reasonable. If we go by the height in the databook, Raki's new height would be around 275cm. Even in the montages we made, Raki's easily over 230cm by estimation. You'd have to shrink AB Pricialla to about 120cm (< 4ft) before Raki's new height would make any sense (2m or less). That's a loss of 45cm (1.5 ft) off her Claymore height.

Also people who are over 2 m tall have slightly different features and don't look like Raki's new bishonen form.

The thing that irritates me most though is that people think that Cid would confuse Pricilla as Raki's child. Does this Pricilla look like someone who can be confused as a child?

http://nsa02.casimages.com/img/2008/06/08/mini_0806080640293593666.jpg (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=0806080640293593666.jpg)

In which case, Pricilla was actually doing a service in the North by getting rid of all these wannabe pedophiles?

[Vinak]

we don't know what happened to Priscilla, it's entirely possible for her to make herself look younger.

I kind of feel thats the reason why we see Riful in a young human form while her awakened form is of an older, more mature looking female. (without legs)

Also, it's probably impossible for us to judge height from the artwork. panel size, angel differences. Not to mention picture resolution. The Manga itself is 7 years old? Different art styles and small mistakes are to be expected. (giant hands)

[Flar]

In that montage, you just set the Height of Raki == Height of Pricilla, and tried to show that Raki's new height was reasonable.Yes, backed up by the times we saw Raki with Priscilla, like the last page of chapter 55 (vol10 page 133) or when she jumps on him afterwards

If we go by the height in the databook, Raki's new height would be around 275cm.I don't go by Priscilla's databook height, I'm considering for this theory that Priscilla shrunk to match her regressed mental state after her fight with Isley... After the pic you provided, before the ones I used to make the comparison.

And no need to go aggressive on me, I'm just putting forward coherent hypothesis :)
I can prove them about as much as you can disprove them anyway, and yes it can also make sense that the kid with Raki is not priscilla, depending on how you read the story.

[tenken627]

Regardless of inconsistent drawings, the girl must be very small to be able to perch on Raki's shoulder. It might be different if the the legs wrapped around Raki's neck, and she was sitting behind Raki's head.

The girl would have to be much smaller than 5 ft (152.4 cm) to be able to do that, which would suggest a child.

Even if Raki was a giant 7 ft 6 in tall (229 cm) like Yao Ming, a girl that was 5 ft (152.4 cm) would be 2/3 of his height still and would not be able to sit on his shoulder like that.

The girl would have to be around ~ 3 - 4 feet tall (91.4 - 121.9 cm). And I don't care if Priscilla is able to shrink herself, I see no reason for her to shrink herself that small.

Edit:

The tallest man ever medically recorded was Robert Pershing Wadlow.

He measured to be 8 ft 11.1 in (272 cm).

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/images/records/rhp/portrait/80758.jpg

The tallest man living is Leonid Stadnyk who is 8 ft 5.5 in (257 cm).

While Yagi-sensei probably wanted to make Raki big, I don't think he wanted to make him that big.

[Gooral]

If the girl is Priscilla (which I seriously doubt) then Raki is a brainwashed badass. He would know she's AB not only because she would be eating guts but also because instead of growing up she would regress. Also if he stayed with Isley and Priscilla for all this time I can't believe he wouldn't notice their strange behavior. Maybe Isley would restrain himself, but retarded Priscilla? Doubtful. She could grow her horn any time, suddenly eat guts or fly to get food. Also I don't think she would be willing to eat tasteless (compared to guts) food cooked by Raki so he would start to wonder what and when does she eat. Isley would have to eat normal food too, unless he stated from the start that he wouldn't eat with Raki (but during travels it would be suspicious). Not to mention there ought to be a situation where Priscilla would have blood or intestines on herself, he would have to be an idiot if he didn't suspect anything then.

[FreshSalad]

Regardless, the point isnt HOW tall he is, I think the emphasis is that he has GROWN over the last 7 years, preferrably pretty tall. Pretty good picture is the one with the cart and him. Hes as tall, little bit of hunching, as a horse's back. Considering the weight of the things being pulled, how much a villager can afford, etc, we can determine his height. (Someone go find out that stuff, I have essays to write for school.) One more thing, this is a FANTASY world, meaning everything is in proportion, but we don't know whether the normal human height there is 5 feet or 10 feet, etc. But I think everyone isn't trying to establish his exact height, but rather what it would seem like, proportionatley to normal humans there or to us.

On the topic of whether he is claymore etc how hes beating a youma, Clare in the beginning had trouble beating NORMAL youma. Furthermore, he has seen the big youma from Rabona, meaning he charged in not knowing whether or not this one is that powerful. Either its foolish bravery or confidence in his skills. I really doubt its the former.. so lets ASSUME its the latter. Now, whether hes human or not is an entirely different matter. I really doubt that hes a NORMAL human, meaning nothing special about him. Once again, I think his equipment is similar to claymore equipment due to teh fact taht it seems to be unscratched, can't be penetrated by youma attacks etc. Also, His sword is probably bigger or at least the same size as a normal claymore's sword. I'm basing this on the final picture of chapter 80. His sword goes down to maybe his knees while a normal claymore, like clare, is about the same. His sword is wider as its a great sword, not a claymore (said by villager.) So, finally I end with the conclusion that his sword is FRIGGIN heavy (as much as a claymore's sword) or HEAVIER. There was a statement in the past saying that only claymores have the strength to wield a claymore that fast. Based on drawings and the speed in which he cuts the youma (it couldn't dodge), his strength is on par with a claymore. Basically, it was previously impossible for humans to even swing such a heavier sword. For him to be simply a normal human, the logic would simply FAIL. Now once again since this is a FANTASY world, this means that there are other theories..... like battle enchanced armor (allowing him to stay human,) or hes a special human (new prototype of an experiment) or hes a claymore, etc.

Since this manga hasn't shown much magic, lets rule out the battle enhanced armor. So I guess that leaves us with, speical human or claymore. Take your pick. Either way, there is something different about him that pretty much tells us, HES NOT GOING TO BE USELESS, probably actually really helpful etc.

[tenken627]

Regardless, the point isnt HOW tall he is, I think the emphasis is that he has GROWN over the last 7 years, preferrably pretty tall. Pretty good picture is the one with the cart and him. Hes as tall, little bit of hunching, as a horse's back. Considering the weight of the things being pulled, how much a villager can afford, etc, we can determine his height. (Someone go find out that stuff, I have essays to write for school.) One more thing, this is a FANTASY world, meaning everything is in proportion, but we don't know whether the normal human height there is 5 feet or 10 feet, etc. But I think everyone isn't trying to establish his exact height, but rather what it would seem like, proportionatley to normal humans there or to us.

We're not trying to establish Raki's height itself. We're trying to establish the height relationship between Raki and the little girl, and thereby establish the relationship between Raki and the little girl itself.

A large horse's back is about 6 feet (182 cm) tall, so that refutes your point really.


On the topic of whether he is claymore etc how hes beating a youma, Clare in the beginning had trouble beating NORMAL youma. Furthermore, he has seen the big youma from Rabona, meaning he charged in not knowing whether or not this one is that powerful. Either its foolish bravery or confidence in his skills. I really doubt its the former.. so lets ASSUME its the latter. Now, whether hes human or not is an entirely different matter. I really doubt that hes a NORMAL human, meaning nothing special about him. Once again, I think his equipment is similar to claymore equipment due to teh fact taht it seems to be unscratched, can't be penetrated by youma attacks etc. Also, His sword is probably bigger or at least the same size as a normal claymore's sword. I'm basing this on the final picture of chapter 80. His sword goes down to maybe his knees while a normal claymore, like clare, is about the same. His sword is wider as its a great sword, not a claymore (said by villager.) So, finally I end with the conclusion that his sword is FRIGGIN heavy (as much as a claymore's sword) or HEAVIER. There was a statement in the past saying that only claymores have the strength to wield a claymore that fast. Based on drawings and the speed in which he cuts the youma (it couldn't dodge), his strength is on par with a claymore. Basically, it was previously impossible for humans to even swing such a heavier sword. For him to be simply a normal human, the logic would simply FAIL. Now once again since this is a FANTASY world, this means that there are other theories..... like battle enchanced armor (allowing him to stay human,) or hes a special human (new prototype of an experiment) or hes a claymore, etc.

Since this manga hasn't shown much magic, lets rule out the battle enhanced armor. So I guess that leaves us with, speical human or claymore. Take your pick. Either way, there is something different about him that pretty much tells us, HES NOT GOING TO BE USELESS, probably actually really helpful etc.

There are other things tossed around besides special human or Claymore. We still do not know the true nature of the MiBs (Rubel holds a heavy Claymore sword pretty easily himself as well as never aging) who made yomas and Claymores in the first place.

We do not know the true nature of the OEs (Organization's Enemy) who probably have their own abilities as well much like the MiBs.

We do not know the true nature of the DoDs, who probably were never created by humans.

There are many things out there in the Claymore world that we do not know when it comes to "magic" or special abilities.

[ashesatdusk]

On the topic of whether he is claymore etc how hes beating a youma, Clare in the beginning had trouble beating NORMAL youma. Furthermore, he has seen the big youma from Rabona, meaning he charged in not knowing whether or not this one is that powerful. Either its foolish bravery or confidence in his skills. I really doubt its the former.. so lets ASSUME its the latter. Now, whether hes human or not is an entirely different matter. I really doubt that hes a NORMAL human, meaning nothing special about him.

On the argument against he's a claymore. If he's been with Isley all this time, we don't know if he has, but presuming he has. If he was a claymore, made by Isley, he should be able to seek yoki energy from ordinary yoma, especially at that distance. Isley was a #1, he would be able to teach Raki to control and detect yoki, to the best of his ability. He relied on that girl to find which one was the Yoma. Normal or not, I do not think he has yoki energy, and thus not a claymore.


As for his indiscriminately attacking the Yoma, It could well be that he knows if he can't tackle the Yoma, his partner on shoulder will save him.

[Uncreativex]

Imo its unclear whether Raki's friend is Priscilla or not.

I'm however very glad that Raki ain't badass claymore like top 5 strength. For example, Clare can pretty much reduce normal a yoma to small scraps of flesh in a instant, while Raki here used some time to kill it.

[Arkanis]

He's always been blonde

Oh!
I didn't notice, he has another hair color in the anime:D http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Raki_preview.jpg

[chibamonster]

I am really wondering where Raki picked up his sword and armor. The armor seems to be very special which makes me doubt that he just went to a blacksmith and said, "I need armor that is awesome enough to impress a Claymore chick I used to cook for." Although with the ability to kill youma Raki might be making quite a bit of money in donations. I can't wait to see Clare's response when she meets him, especially when she sees the sword he is carrying. I think Raki is probably much stronger than just being able to kill a single youma. I am excited to see what Isley was able to forge out of the young cook who would be strong.

And I am really glad that we do not have to wait 5 months before the main story continues like when we did not know who was in the city Miata and Clarice were at. We did not even know it was Rabona although some people guessed it as a possibility which was fun. Hopefully we will find out who this little girl is soon.

Yagi loves recurring characters if Angel Densetsu is any indication and I have actually been surprised that he includes recurring locations as well like Rabona and now Raki's home town. It really gives the feel of a pretty congruent world for me. I love recurring themes in claymore (like the sword, youki pills, youki manipulation, etc). Although Yagi's new characters have been very fun too like the AB's that keep appearing. As I think about it now Yagi often hints at main characters a bit before we meet them. All the top 5 of Clare's time were introduced to us by their names from Miria before we ever met them. We heard about Isley and Luciella before we met them. Clare met Miria once before the 6 armed AB hunt although Helen and Deneve showed up for the first time then. We learned about Irene's hit squad and their personalities before they clashed with Teresa. Many main characters get some sort of introduction before they appear so we have some idea who they are before they jump onto the stage and show us what they can do. Teresa did not get an intro, she just showed up and rocked our world. It is just something I thought about and it certainly is not a rule. I just felt like sharing.

[FreshSalad]

@tenken,
I don't know how it refutes my point. My point is that whatever height he has grown, the point is that he grew. As for a large horse being that tall.....farming horses are generally heavier and not that large compared to a warhorse. But, once again, there are infinite possibilities. that patciular horse may be large.

@ashesatdusk
I think some claymore just suck at it regardless of how they are taught. Not sure, but that could mean he just sucks at it.

He treats the girl as a younger person so that might be a clue. Considering how he treats her, I doubt he knows that she is powerful. Also, I think he would suspect why Priscilla wasn't aging in 7 years... so that also tells us that he probably knows what priscilla is/was (a claymore, maybe not super bad person).

[Cyclone]

Also, His sword is probably bigger or at least the same size as a normal claymore's sword. I'm basing this on the final picture of chapter 80. His sword goes down to maybe his knees while a normal claymore, like clare, is about the same. His sword is wider as its a great sword, not a claymore (said by villager.)

Here we run into yet another japanese language problem.

Whenever ordinary people refer to Claymores (the people), they write:
クレイモア (KUREIMOA) using their phonetic alphabet (katakana) which they use whenever they write down foreign words.

Whenever claymores refer to other claymores, they use either he term "Warriors"(senshi) or "those known as Claymores" (to iu KUREIMOA).

And, if memory serves, whenever the sword is mentioned, the 2 kanji for "big" and "sword" are used - ( 大剣 ). There is always furigana (thankfully) in the manga, and I think it's always pronounced taiken - though I can't help but think I might have seen the word "KUREIMOA" spelled out as the pronounciation a few times too.

In any event, the villager says 大剣 (big sword). This causes understandable difficulties for the translator. If he says: "it's a claymore" - everyone is going to assume that Raki is a Claymore. You could try to disambiguate by saying "Claymore Sword", or even say "big sword"(which just sounds bad), or just say "great sword" (which a claymore is a subclass of). But, Claymores are named for the swords they carry and those swords are 大剣, so calling it anything other than claymores is a problem too. Really a no win situation.

So basically, just pretend he said "A Claymore..." but know that he was referring to the sword itself, not the person.

[tenken627]

I am really wondering where Raki picked up his sword and armor. The armor seems to be very special which makes me doubt that he just went to a blacksmith and said, "I need armor that is awesome enough to impress a Claymore chick I used to cook for." Although with the ability to kill youma Raki might be making quite a bit of money in donations. I can't wait to see Clare's response when she meets him, especially when she sees the sword he is carrying.



Clare: "Raki... your sword... it's so... BIG!"




@tenken,
I don't know how it refutes my point. My point is that whatever height he has grown, the point is that he grew. As for a large horse being that tall.....farming horses are generally heavier and not that large compared to a warhorse. But, once again, there are infinite possibilities. that patciular horse may be large.

I admit, I looked that up. The tallest horses in modern times are grown at most to 6 feet, which is much higher than medieval horses, whether pack horses or war horses.

The tallest horse breed is the Shire, which averages around 178 cm or roughly 5 ft 10 in at the withers (where the horse's back meets the neck).

I understand that Raki has grown, he was supposed to grow. But, to show that Raki's height in the drawing matches up to the horse's back just shows that he would be around 6 feet tall (if it's a really big horse).

[myshka]

Well based on the size of that carriage, that must have been one huge horsey! There was a ton of stuff piled up on it.

So I got a little confused about the geographical issue again. So we got an island for sure now, so it must be pretty big then if it's taking Raki a year to backtrack to his home village from Rabona? It also seems liek it took at least a few months for Clarice and Miata to reach Rabona from the org's headquarters.

[Nesty]

why would any Claymore wear armor to begin with? unless of course the armor is made out of the same material as the sword....any armor would just serve as ornamental otherwise. i mean its useless against ab's and some youma. If you are at the skill level to be taking on AB's than you wouldn't be relying on armor to keep you safe anyways.

well the 7ghosts don't have "armor" i think, it looks more like leather to me so you're right on that. the claymore armor really is useless.

Raki being able to fight off normal yoma is good since it does show his experience and strength but there's just no way in hell he'd be able to fight off a AB or even the 2nd yoma that we saw clare right way back in robona.

Raki crying and being useless when he reunites with Clare will be fun to see haha :P

[Methuselah]

Oh come on, do you actually believe that Raki would act like himself from 7 years ago? Nor remotely close from his phyiques and attitude so far. Isn't it obvious that he was "enjoying" himself when cutting that Yoma in three-forths? It showed that he could just kill him right away with that speed he has, but decided to aim for the arm and chase him around. No way he would act like a normal human Raki from back then. We see a Leon-reference here from Resident Evil 4. He laughs at danger. XD

[chibamonster]

I think it is funny that people have decided how strong/weak Raki is after his interaction with a single youma. :D. Come one, Clare struggled with single youma in the beginning. Raki killed this youma faster than Clare killed the Zaki-youma in Raki's town. We know that many towns have more than a single youma and he has been traveling for at least a year and has no new scars to speak of. I think Raki will surprise us. I also think that about Clarice :D.

Also I think some people are taking the image too seriously with the wagon wheel. I mean it is not like we see the bottom of his feet. Look at the later images of the cloak, it only comes about mid calf on Raki and the little girl. If anything that means Raki is far taller than the horse and walking in a ditch right next to the wagon wheel. We cannot even see the bottom of the whole cloak in the image and in the next few pages we see that it is not even a floor length cloak.

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

At this point and time, reguler yoma are a joke. In the begining Clare had to struggle a little because they were introducing evrything. If Raki hadn't taken care of that Yoma quickly in this part of the story then there is no way we would have considered him strong or even at all useful to the plot. It kind of reminds me of bleach were normal hollows are weak as heck and now its only The shinigami themselfes or variations of hollow/shingami that are dangerous.

One thing about Raki is this, He says to Isley that he wants to protect Clare and then he recants to saying he wants to be strong enough to stand by her side or not to get in her way. I think that as long as there not going up against some AB's that Raki will be okay. he has accomplished his goal

[Rolyn]

raki is big boy

[clarakiss~]

Raki crying and being useless when he reunites with Clare will be fun to see haha :P

it may be clare who'd be doing the crying and raki would be like... wtf? :p

[ergon]

Here we run into yet another japanese language problem.

And, if memory serves, whenever the sword is mentioned, the 2 kanji for "big" and "sword" are used - ( 大剣 ). There is always furigana (thankfully) in the manga, and I think it's always pronounced taiken - though I can't help but think I might have seen the word "KUREIMOA" spelled out as the pronounciation a few times too.


I'm pretty sure 大剣 has been spelled "claymore" several times.

[evil_kenshin]

One thing about Raki is this, He says to Isley that he wants to protect Clare and then he recants to saying he wants to be strong enough to stand by her side or not to get in her way. I think that as long as there not going up against some AB's that Raki will be okay. he has accomplished his goal

actually i believe with Raki's strength, speed and armor he is capable of taking down some AB's and at the very least if with Clare with his speed he'd be able to avoid and block AB attacks or help out.

He stands more of a chance against an AB than Clarice in any case who couldn't even handle a simple yoma on her own.

Raki has a similiar role to Shirou from fate/stay night (Unlimited Blade works scenario) who despite all odds took down 2 next to impossible opponents (ok one had a limit, but there was no excuse for the 2nd of his opponents he defeated), so i don't think its fair to count him out yet

[Synyster]

So basically, just pretend he said "A Claymore..." but know that he was referring to the sword itself, not the person.
That opens the possibility of that the sword and the armor were Isley's. Right?

[evil_kenshin]

That opens the possibility of that the sword and the armor were Isley's. Right?

if anything it confirms it, keep in mind the armor is suspiciously similar in design to Isleys awakened form (the metal plates) which makes you wonder even if the organizations goal isn't to have them awaken on that island til they have control of them is there some level of control the organization has over what their awakened forms would be

[HayashiTakara]

Raki is 9 feet tall? thats insane... he's a giant then... >_>...

That would be very interesting though, if his armor and weapon were Isley's equipment when he was a claymore. I wouldn't be surprise if it was. The armor seems to be made of the same "mysterious" material as the claymore swords, as it was able to perfectly deflect a yoma's attack.

[Stream]

Alright, this is getting pointless.

Lets clear some things up: Raki is most likely a human. Stop fantasizing about a claymore Raki. There's no proof for it. To compare, the (human) bandit leader Teresa killed could likely have killed youma with ease. He made it perfectly clear that he could handle a youma as long as he knew who it was.
He's wearing male claymore armor. This is very simple. Page 23 of Chapter 10 proves that youmas can cut through ordinary armor. By contrast, Page 21 of Chapter 2 shows Clare successfully blocking an attack identical to the one Raki blocked using claymore armor.
The girl could be Priscilla. Height comparisons are worthless because the art is rather inconsistent in its relative portrayal of height and size. The margin of error is big enough to render any mathematical comparisons almost completely pointless. If she's not Priscilla, then we don't have a clue who it could be so guessing doesn't do any good.

[myshka]

Alright, this is getting pointless.

Lets clear some things up: Raki is most likely a human. Stop fantasizing about a claymore Raki. There's no proof for it. To compare, the (human) bandit leader Teresa killed could likely have killed youma with ease. He made it perfectly clear that he could handle a youma as long as he knew who it was.
He's wearing male claymore armor. This is very simple. Page 23 of Chapter 10 proves that youmas can cut through ordinary armor. By contrast, Page 21 of Chapter 2 shows Clare successfully blocking an attack identical to the one Raki blocked using claymore armor.
The girl could be Priscilla. Height comparisons are worthless because the art is rather inconsistent in its relative portrayal of height and size. The margin of error is big enough to render any mathematical comparisons almost completely pointless. If she's not Priscilla, then we don't have a clue who it could be so guessing doesn't do any good.



But its fun to guess!!!
Dont take our fun away!!

[yezhanquan]

This is what happens when you have a monthly series. After the chap comes out, the rest of the month is filled with theories.

[Prongs]

no Raki is Not Claymore He Is AB's lol.

[chibamonster]

And the armor is very different from male Claymore armor that we saw in the flashback and definitely different than the armor we saw on the females. It looks more like the armor Cid had. But obviously it can do some cool tricks we have not seen in armor before :D.

[ergon]

It looks like if Raki was 6 feet tall then the girl would be about 4 feet tall. Sid also thought It could be his daughter, so unless she regressed further (although some people say she's still the same as when she was a claymore) its probably not Pris.

Raki's armor doesn't look like the standard claymore armor, but the shoulder and leg pieces look a bit like Raphaela's, who is from the oldest generation of all the claymores we've seen and wears somewhat unique armor. It could be Isleys, realistically his armor probably wouldn't fit Raki, but this is manga of course. I don't really see any similarities in design to Isley's AB armor.

[Awakened]

What if the Org go after Raki???

[evil_kenshin]

What if the Org go after Raki???

unlikely, if it is indeed Priscilla on Raki's shoulder the org members who come after him are in for a rude awakening :D

[Awakened]

unlikely, if it is indeed Priscilla on Raki's shoulder the org members who come after him are in for a rude awakening :D

If I was in the Org and I heard about Raki, I would be very interested in him.

[tenken627]

If you compare the male Claymore in the beginning of chapter 80 to Raki's armor at the end of chapter 80:

Male Claymore Armor -

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9185/crop1lg7.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3073/crop2jr0.jpg


Raki's Armor -

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8099/crop3yf7.jpg

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/1709/crop4qx1.jpg

[chibamonster]

I realized that really awesome theories have pictures, so I made one for the Raki height issue. I think both the girl and Raki are not standing on even ground with the wagon wheel as illustrated in my little picture I put together :D. They are both probably taller than it appears initially. It is just hard to tell because they are walking through etherial mist in cool black cloaks that are a must have for making fans want to know who is underneath them.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb81/chibamonster/RakiHeightTheory.jpg

[evil_kenshin]

If I was in the Org and I heard about Raki, I would be very interested in him.

well technically they already know of him (Rubel) , but just the same if they ever found out he stayed with Isley for a few years it would raise the stakes and they'd want to capture him even if for just information (oh and make him pay for loss of profit due to him killing their yoma's :p )

[HayashiTakara]

tenken your image links are broken, fyi

[Cyclone]

Also I think some people are taking the image too seriously with the wagon wheel. I mean it is not like we see the bottom of his feet. Look at the later images of the cloak, it only comes about mid calf on Raki and the little girl. If anything that means Raki is far taller than the horse and walking in a ditch right next to the wagon wheel. We cannot even see the bottom of the whole cloak in the image and in the next few pages we see that it is not even a floor length cloak.

Fine - I didn't want to do this, but I have no choice (yay - a cliche anime line!)...

I didn't really take the wagon wheel picture as the basis for my estimation. I used human proportions (http://realcolorwheel.com/human.htm) (the site I found later - I estimated before). The site states that "a perfect body is 8 heads high". Judging by the reactions of the fan girls here, you WILL agree with me that this is a reasonable assumption for the new and improved Raki.

Now, as someone who dislikes Pricilla, I nominate myself as the expert here to say that "Pricilla is not ugly" and hence her proportions should be ok too (Heh side note: I think that's the first time I ever refered to a girl's proportions and didn't mean it in a perverted way...).

So, please turn to page 20.

The girl's body is roughly 1.5 to 2 of Raki's heads high. Refering to the site above, we find that the torso of a person is 3 heads high. So:

1.5/8 * height(Raki) < 3/8 * height(Girl) < 2/8 *height(Raki)

Meaning she is 50-66% of Raki's height.

Page 21:

The frame where she points, seems to indicate the low end of the that scale.

The frame where Raki puts her down and that Raki is hunched down, I estimate that the girl doesn't even reach his elbow. Again, from the site, we see that the elbow is a 5/8 of the person's height meaning she is < 62.5% of Raki's height.

Now for the mathemagic:

Question 1a) Prove that the girl is not Pricilla as we have come to know her.

Proof by contradiction:

If Pricilla has not shrunk from her Claymore days, then by axiom, she is 165 cm according to databook #1.

60% * height(Raki) = height(Pricilla) by lemma above (and being generous).

height(Raki) = height(Pricilla) / 0.6 = 165 cm / 0.6 = 275 cm (9'0").

Since this is ridiculous, QED.

Let's not stop here though. Let's make Raki very tall = 200 cm (6'7"). What is Pricilla's height?

height(Pricilla) = 0.6 * height(Raki) = 120 cm (3'11"). It's quite the shrinkage from 5'5"...

So, unless anyone likes the idea that in ES3, Pricilla was just clensing the north of all the pedophile hobbits (If she fooled Cid, then the people in the north must have thought she was young enough to be Raki's child too) [I'd actually gain some respect for here if that was the case], please dismiss the idea that it's Pricilla as we've come to know her - wagon wheel or no wagon wheel, feet or no feet.

[tenken627]

tenken your image links are broken, fyi

Are they? Does anyone else not see them?

[evil_kenshin]

Are they? Does anyone else not see them?

can't see them, even tried quoting ur message to directly see the links and copying the links into my browser won't open up the images either, is it the right url's? :confused:

[Cyclone]

That opens the possibility of that the sword and the armor were Isley's. Right?

I never really considered that possibility as being closed. Yeah, it's possible I guess... They changed the style of the Claymores if that is the case though.

[Cyclone]

Alright, this is getting pointless.

Lets clear some things up: Raki is most likely a human. Stop fantasizing about a claymore Raki. There's no proof for it. To compare, the (human) bandit leader Teresa killed could likely have killed youma with ease. He made it perfectly clear that he could handle a youma as long as he knew who it was.
He's wearing male claymore armor. This is very simple. Page 23 of Chapter 10 proves that youmas can cut through ordinary armor. By contrast, Page 21 of Chapter 2 shows Clare successfully blocking an attack identical to the one Raki blocked using claymore armor.
The girl could be Priscilla. Height comparisons are worthless because the art is rather inconsistent in its relative portrayal of height and size. The margin of error is big enough to render any mathematical comparisons almost completely pointless. If she's not Priscilla, then we don't have a clue who it could be so guessing doesn't do any good.

Not necessarily Claymore armor. I don't see Claymore armor being any significantly better than regular armor. Afterall, Clare lost her hand to Ophelia and the very same wrist gaurd that she used against the youma in chapter was of no help to her there. It most likely has to do with the strength of the enemy more than anything else. Raki fought a weak youma, that's all. If it was one of Riful's or Agatha's blades, then his armor would be of no use to him either.

And as someone who wasted the hour of their life explaining quite clearly why it cannot be Pricilla, I'm not eager to do it again. Also we have many clues as to who she is - there are only 1-3 reasonable possibilities.

[HayashiTakara]

I think you're underestimating the possibility of Raki's armor. The metal used to make the Claymore's weapon is virtually indestructable. The armor isn't as thick as the sword so the density will play a role as well. If the armor was indeed a piece of crap iron armor, then theres zero point in wearing it.

[ashesatdusk]

If anything is an indication from what we've read the last few chapters. Its very well possible (org supplied) claymore armor is not normal. Especially considering Miria' just revealed that their swords are not made from a mineral found on the continent they are on. The same could possibly hold true for swords.

I do like the idea, Isley gave him the armor. Until the mangaka reveals anything everything is speculation.

I do think the comment that mathematical calculation about art, is pointless. Disproportion can be used for effect. Having for the sake of an example, lets say priscilla on his shoulder, would illustrate just how tall Raki has gotten. So how much larger raki is then X, gives little clue to who X is.

[HayashiTakara]

The biggest problem with the girl being Priscilla is that when Raki and Clare meet up again, it would speed up their fated match up to be too soon. I somehow doubt its her.

[Cyclone]

I think you're underestimating the possibility of Raki's armor. The metal used to make the Claymore's weapon is virtually indestructable. The armor isn't as thick as the sword so the density will play a role as well. If the armor was indeed a piece of crap iron armor, then theres zero point in wearing it.

I think the armor's main role is to distract Clare.

Raki: "Clare! Clare!"
Clare: "Raki."
Raki: "I'm so glad you're alive."
Clare: "Who's the kid?"
Raki: "... I became a swordsman while you were gone. Look at all this cool stuff. This sword is nice, don't you think? I'll be able to help you on your journeys."
Clare: "Who's the kid?"
Raki: "... and look at this armor! it's got a moving bit here to protect against attacks!"
Clare: "and the kid!?"
Raki: "...see, look if slides here like this. Don't you think it's useful?"
....
and so on and so on...

[tenken627]

Here are the frames in Chapter 2 that shows Clare also using her wrist guards to block a yoma finger tentacle attack:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5792/21aac4.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4597/21bhi4.jpg

I also used a different image hosting site for the other pics in the post above. Please let me know if you still can not see the images.

[chibamonster]

@Cyclone: All the math based on estimation makes my head hurt :( I think it is difficult to estimate relative height with the various camera angles, slouched or sitting poses and so on. Especially given Yagi's artwork. I mean look at Raki's hand in the last panel. I brought up the cloak because there was just an argument that broke out earlier about how tall Raki was compared to a horse and how tall horses could be at their shoulder. I thought that part was kind of silly because looking at the image It seemed Raki was taller than the horse from the cloak issue. I had not thought about how it relates to the little girl although it would make her comparatively taller to Raki.

I still think it is possible that it is Priscilla with Raki. :D sorry Cyclone. I do not think Priscilla is the same height she was as a claymore because that would make her much taller than young Raki. Instead she was shorter in just about every panel as far as I could tell. I am not sure when she got short. Was it early on? Or was it when Isley realized her mind regressed? We just do not know.

I think it could be Priscilla for different reasons. Namely the work Yagi goes to usually to introduce new characters to us. We hear about many of the characters before we meet them like Lune for example. Of course this is not a rule, it just seems to be something Yagi does pretty well and I greatly enjoy it. Although maybe we have already heard about this new character. Maybe she is the "something" Riful discovered. If Priscilla is capable of reproducing that would be crazy news. I just do not think we can rule out Priscilla so easily from the possibilities. Her being with Raki would certainly tie his last bit of the story to the current part. But that can also be done in the next few months as well.

[Cyclone]

I think you're underestimating the possibility of Raki's armor. The metal used to make the Claymore's weapon is virtually indestructable. The armor isn't as thick as the sword so the density will play a role as well. If the armor was indeed a piece of crap iron armor, then theres zero point in wearing it.

Judging from the injuries claymores routinely recieve, I would tend to agree that there is no point in wearing the armor. If the armor was made of the same stuff as the weapon, then Ophelia could not have lobbed off Clare's left hand for example - the gaurd would have stopped it.

[HayashiTakara]

Wasn't Clare's arm cut from just under the elbow? Clare only has a wrist band, it doesn't cover her arm completely.

[Cyclone]

@Cyclone: All the math based on estimation makes my head hurt :( I think it is difficult to estimate relative height with the various camera angles, slouched or sitting poses and so on. Especially given Yagi's artwork. I mean look at Raki's hand in the last panel. I brought up the cloak because there was just an argument that broke out earlier about how tall Raki was compared to a horse and how tall horses could be at their shoulder. I thought that part was kind of silly because looking at the image It seemed Raki was taller than the horse from the cloak issue. I had not thought about how it relates to the little girl although it would make her comparatively taller to Raki.

I still think it is possible that it is Priscilla with Raki. :D sorry Cyclone. I do not think Priscilla is the same height she was as a claymore because that would make her much taller than young Raki. Instead she was shorter in just about every panel as far as I could tell. I am not sure when she got short. Was it early on? Or was it when Isley realized her mind regressed? We just do not know.

I think it could be Priscilla for different reasons. Namely the work Yagi goes to usually to introduce new characters to us. We hear about many of the characters before we meet them like Lune for example. Of course this is not a rule, it just seems to be something Yagi does pretty well and I greatly enjoy it. Although maybe we have already heard about this new character. Maybe she is the "something" Riful discovered. If Priscilla is capable of reproducing that would be crazy news. I just do not think we can rule out Priscilla so easily from the possibilities. Her being with Raki would certainly tie his last bit of the story to the current part. But that can also be done in the next few months as well.

*sigh*

The estimates take into account perspective and all that - she's sitting on his shoulder afterall. It's almost orthographic. Ah well, believe whatever you want - I'm willing to bet you that it's not Pricilla if you like.

[Cyclone]

Wasn't Clare's arm cut from just under the elbow? Clare only has a wrist band, it doesn't cover her arm completely.

The right arm (which she lost) was cut above the elbow. But Ophelia got her left arm too - at the wrist.

[HayashiTakara]

IIRC, the it wasn't cut where the wrist band was, it was cut where the band met the wrist. The armor itself wasn't cut.

[ergon]

Judging from the injuries claymores routinely recieve, I would tend to agree that there is no point in wearing the armor. If the armor was made of the same stuff as the weapon, then Ophelia could not have lobbed off Clare's left hand for example - the gaurd would have stopped it.

that must be why the ghosts switched to leather

"screw this armor, its heavy and everything goes right through it! :frustrated:"

But I wonder what would happen to a claymore if say, Undine took one and slammed the flat side down on Dauf's head, with like a 30% yoki release.

[chibamonster]

She also lost her hand at the wrist right before Irene appeared. Fortunately she was able to reattach that before she passed out for days.

@Cyclone: Really I am not sure who that girl is. It could absolutely be someone else. I just do not think we can write of Priscilla so quickly. She is really the only major candidate from people we already know (unless chibi Teresa is back... Oh joy of joys). Priscilla was with Raki, she's short, she can sense youki, she liked Raki, he lived with her, she even hated youma more than anyone at some point in her life. It has been set up for some time that he was with Priscilla. The fact he is alive means they got along. She seems like the most likely candidate from the known characters. Of course it could be a new character as well, but many of the theories we have come up with so far for that involve people related to Priscilla. If it is not Priscilla she probably has some relation or connection to Priscilla.

Although how cool would it be if Priscilla did have family that was still alive? Although Priscilla is far older than Clare so it might not be a sibling or anything. That or the kid of someone she knew who got claymorized when she ate their family... I think the little girl probably knows Priscilla if she is not Priscilla.

[Cyclone]

IIRC, the it wasn't cut where the wrist band was, it was cut where the band met the wrist. The armor itself wasn't cut.

The wrist gaurd spans from about 1/4 up the fore arm down to her knuckles on the outside. If it did it's job, Ophelia's sword would have been stopped. Also, if you look closely, while the gaurd does seem like it's mostly intact, there is a little square piece that seems to have fallen off. Hard to tell just how much it's damaged though (in any event though, it did not do it's job).

[Cyclone]

But I wonder what would happen to a claymore if say, Undine took one and slammed the flat side down on Dauf's head, with like a 30% yoki release.

Somehow, I'm hearing this loud GOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG sound... :D

[HayashiTakara]

The joints of an armor is the weakest part, its generally where you should attack when attacking an armored enemy, thats why rapiers were made. Anyway, against an AB is not a good comparison to make when talking about an armors ability to withstand it. Otherwise a full body suit would be made to be worn when AB hunting.

[Ancient Soul]

About Miria's story :

Except the info about Beth being Alicia's weakness nothing important for The Ghost situation.
The mainland, battles between claymores and DODs, the island being a laboratory dosen't change anything for them on the battlefield right now (only give them something to think about) and some human allies (Rabona).In fact for Miria peeking and having a source his
informations are very limited and useless in a fight.If Alicia can absorb Beth inside her (yeah i'm thinking about that picture) then even the info about Beth become useless (...but they have Galatea now so she can help them to pinpoint Beth location - Tabitha need just to much concentration unlike Galatea).

Note : If Miria go against the ORG and find about Alicia&Beth fusion trick (if this will happen after all) and need Galatea's help who in meantime will be captured by Riful who want to kill Priscilla'first...and if Raki will be in the fireline...what will happen?

About Miria's source :

I start to wonder if Miria's yoki pills at Pieta was Miria's plan at all.I mean if someone in The ORG want to work with Miria no better way to gain her trust than by giving her a way to escape in a dead situation (and even a tested situation - in the long war against OE & DODs.They had bad luck that Rigardo enter the battle before the pills toke effect, but good luck that Clare killed him.I wonder if Rigardo would have been fooled by their scheme.

About The ORG :

I don't think that the elders do the experiments themselfs.They just oversee the progress of them take decision in real time.I would find more efficient to have 2-3 independent experiment teams (in different locations) each of them with their own projects than just one who make them all at the same place.One for the youmas experiment (wich i beleive are shipped over the island rather than be grow there - Miria\Galatea didn't find anything about them been raised on the island, one for the claymores and one for AB\AO experiments (Galatea didn't even sense them until she saw them - 2 claymores with a yoki output of AO).

Also i don't see why to don't test ways that common human soldiers to be better trained\become stronger\better armours\even yoki sensing.After all the lands you conquer need garrisons\prevent revolts etc.

NOTE : Miria said that she found a village in the south-west who don't know about youma.To bad that he din't go EAST across the desert to find out what is there...a port or another ORG base maybe.Somehow i doubt that he looked "everyehere".She visited even Riful's castle?

[PureYoki]

Well, the girl on Raki's shoulder is in no way Priscilla. In ES3 we saw that Priscilla is a little shorter than the men in the village. She didn't shrink or something. If we assume these men were 5'10'', Priscilla may be 5'8''.
Raki's height is almost equal to the horse's (measured at its withers). A horse's typical height at this point is 5'6'' to 6', so we can safely assume Raki is a six-footer. The girl is approximately 55 % of his height which makes her 3'4''.

I believe Raki is a claymore now because no human can move that fast or even attempt to use that sword in combat. He may continuously be on suppressant pills because males awaken so easily. The pills also explain why he couldn't sense yoki.

The girl is probably Isley and Priscilla's child. This explains the relatives' kid who is able to sense yoma. I don't know why Riful and Duph have no children but if I were Riful, I wouldn't want to bear Duph's children. :D

[chibamonster]

I love these numbers that appear all over the place for heights. :D We know how tall Raki was compared to Clare. He came to her shoulder. Awakened Priscilla when Raki met her is shorter than him in just about every panel. This means Clare is more than a head taller than Priscilla (unless we go for the growth spurt theory). Isley is not very tall either.

And we know Priscilla has regressed in her memory before. Her shape seems to be effected as well. Maybe I should go looking to see how tall Claymore Priscilla compares with Irene, who is about the same height as Clare for comparisons... hmm, maybe later. It is not uncharted territory in Claymore especially involving her character. So even if the height guesstimation argument is right, who is to say Priscilla is absolutely the same height as she was before? I know people do not want it to be Priscilla for various reasons but Yagi has done a fantastic job explaining things in this story. He even went to explain the nature of the unbreakable swords. I think he could get away with it being whoever he wants. If it is Priscilla, he can do it and have it make sense. If it is not Priscilla, he can do it and have it make sense.

EDIT: I couldn't help it and I checked it out. Teresa is about dead even height with Irene in the panels (data book probably says different). I am looking at page 19 of marked for death 2 where Teresa is parying Irene's quicksword. Priscilla is also about the same height as Teresa in the panels on page 18 from marked for death 3 where they are fighting like crazy. From the opening page of Fit for Battle 3 (chapter 37) we see Clare next to Teresa and she is a bit shorter. Irene seems to be about the same size as Clare (as she mentioned) in the panels of Fit for Battle.

And as I look through this I am realizing that for the most part ... it is really hard to tell :D. I do think Priscilla is much shorter now than when she was a Claymore, unless Raki grew a whole head taller from the time Clare left him until he met Priscilla. His character design did not seem to mature that much to me but... hey, its hard to tell. I doubt Yagi put much thought into it.

[HayashiTakara]

You guys gotta remember that mangas/animes usually go by asian standards for height. Average height for a female is usually around 5'2", a girl thats 5'5" is considered above average a 5'8" chick is a giant. Guys who are 2 meters tall (6') are considered massive as well.

[Cyclone]

I love these numbers that appear all over the place for heights. :D We know how tall Raki was compared to Clare. He came to her shoulder. Awakened Priscilla when Raki met her is shorter than him in just about every panel. This means Clare is more than a head taller than Priscilla (unless we go for the growth spurt theory). Isley is not very tall either.

And we know Priscilla has regressed in her memory before. Her shape seems to be effected as well. Maybe I should go looking to see how tall Claymore Priscilla compares with Irene, who is about the same height as Clare for comparisons... hmm, maybe later. It is not uncharted territory in Claymore especially involving her character. So even if the height guesstimation argument is right, who is to say Priscilla is absolutely the same height as she was before? I know people do not want it to be Priscilla for various reasons but Yagi has done a fantastic job explaining things in this story. He even went to explain the nature of the unbreakable swords. I think he could get away with it being whoever he wants. If it is Priscilla, he can do it and have it make sense. If it is not Priscilla, he can do it and have it make sense.

There is a span of more than 3 months since Raki is seperated from Clare and Raki meets Pricilla. I am more a fan of Raki getting a growth spurt than him being cryogenically frozen to give Pricilla enough time to shrink.
We really should figure out how big Isley is somehow for reference. I do not get the impression that he is 4'8"-ish or anything thus allowing Pricilla to be the reuired < 4' tall. Maybe it'd be possible via Luciella, and Rapahella to Clare/Jean/Irene? or maybe Rigaldo to Clare - though I think Rigaldo never shows his real form to Clare. The AB's head maybe suitable enough for the messurement though... Ah well - I'll look at it tomorrow maybe (it's pointless work anyways, since it'll be unreliable if unforable anyway, and proof otherwise).

[Synyster]

If you compare the male Claymore in the beginning of chapter 80 to Raki's armor at the end of chapter 80:

Male Claymore Armor -

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9185/crop1lg7.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3073/crop2jr0.jpg


Raki's Armor -

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8099/crop3yf7.jpg

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/1709/crop4qx1.jpg

The funny thing is that Raki's armor looks more similar to the soldier's armor in the background (plus, I think that blond guy is Isley [or maybe not, is just that the guy have the Raki's actual hair lol]) but let's remember that all armors have little variations.

[Cyclone]

You guys gotta remember that mangas/animes usually go by asian standards for height. Average height for a female is usually around 5'2", a girl thats 5'5" is considered above average a 5'8" chick is a giant. Guys who are 2 meters tall (6') are considered massive as well.

According to the data books most are giants then as their average heights are usually 175cm and 180cm - Clare and Elena are 170cm. Galatea is 6' tall at 185 cm (the tallest Claymore). (6'7" is 2m) Seems Yagi is using western heights for Claymores.

[Synyster]

According to the data books most are giants then as their average heights are usually 175cm and 180cm - Clare and Elena are 170cm. Galatea is 6' tall at 185 cm (the tallest Claymore). (6'7" is 2m) Seems Yagi is using western heights for Claymores.

Yeah, maybe he made the girls that tall because they're not simple humans :p

[chibamonster]

Having been to Japan I can absolutely say that 6'+ is a giant :D. I had a friend who was 6'6"+ in Japan and it was insane how much he stuck out. You should have seen how their little tiny cars sagged when he got into them. The guy barely fit through doors. Man did we have fun at the yaki niku tabe hodai (all you can eat, Barbequed meat!) We even developed a gaijin super system to cook more meat faster.

And as always... chiba does not trust the data books :p.

[HayashiTakara]

170 cm is roughly 5'6" give or take. Which is considered tall back east. I'm 176 ~ 178cm, and I'm considered above average over there. But here in the states, I'm average to below average.

I just double checked, 2 meters is 6 feet 5 inches. which is 200 cm, not 185. 185 is roughly 6 ft flat.

[PureYoki]

It's hard to make a comparison when they don't stand upright but Priscilla seems shorter than Teresa based on the picture in the last page of Marked For Death III. When claymores awaken, they lose some claymore characteristics like hair colour and I don't know whether it effects their height or not but I don't think there'll be too much difference. No matter what, considering their height, I think everybody will agree the girl on Raki's shoulder cannot be the girl who is eating people's guts in ES3. ;)

[Synyster]

When claymores awaken, they lose some claymore characteristics like hair colour...

... And the horrible body :p

[ergon]

I'm about 6', I'm huge compared to most people here...but I've been seeing 6 foot Japanese more and more these days...I know Koreans get close to that too.

Well Claymore isn't set in Japan and most of the characters seem to be the same height as Europeans.

[Ryuken]

With all this speculation about the height to prove that the girl is weather Prici or not makes me wonder, what us guys will think or say after we find out possibly in the next chapter who she really is.:eyebrow::confused:

[Flar]

No matter what, considering their height, I think everybody will agree the girl on Raki's shoulder cannot be the girl who is eating people's guts in ES3. ;)The same way Awakened Riful cannot be human form Riful.

[Flar]

With all this speculation about the height to prove that the girl is weather Prici or not makes me wonder what us guys will think or say after we find out possibly in the next chapter who she really is.:eyebrow::confused:Maybe not next chapter, or even not for a long time, if the mere identity of the girl is a plot point.

No matter who it is, it seems better for the story to have her reveal her identity in presence of a main character, someone or something who could make her introduction dramatic, not to random villagers.

My hypothesis are (in order of probability):
1) Meeting Clarice
2) Meeting a strong opponent
3) Meeting Clare

Yagi has never been fond of the mysterious figure shtick, so I'm betting on Raki rescuing Clarice from AB/org/whatever, getting creamed and the little one helping Miata rescuing everyone. Very soon.


On the other hand, he could not focus on it, and in that case we'll know next chapter, if Raki appears again.

[ergon]

With all this speculation about the height to prove that the girl is weather Prici or not makes me wonder, what us guys will think or say after we find out possibly in the next chapter who she really is.:eyebrow::confused:

heh...yeah maybe I'll just wait for the next chapter...make another Undine video or something :heh:

[Ryuken]

heh...yeah maybe I'll just wait for the next chapter...make another Undine video or something :heh:

That would do nicely @ergon.:)

[Ryuken]

Maybe not next chapter, or even not for a long time, if the mere identity of the girl is a plot point.

Well you never know what will happen next. To me the timing of Raki's grown up introduction was also a little quick. But it is up to Yagi sensei of course. It is possible that he might suddenly decide to introduce the little girl next.:)

[PureYoki]

The same way Awakened Riful cannot be human form Riful.

I mean Priscilla in human form in ES3 page 8. :)

With all this speculation about the height to prove that the girl is weather Prici or not makes me wonder, what us guys will think or say after we find out possibly in the next chapter who she really is.:eyebrow::confused:

We'll say "Damn, Yagi sensei has again succeeded to surprise us." :D

Seriously, if this girl is Priscilla either me or Yagi has to see an opthamologist (eye doctor). :p This little girl is like a 6-year-old and her age is consistent with the story and the lost seven years.

[Flar]

I mean Priscilla in human form in ES3 page 8. :)You mean Priscilla with Raki (vol 10 p 133) is not Priscilla post-awakening but pre-isley (ES3 p8)?

[Cyclone]

170 cm is roughly 5'6" give or take. Which is considered tall back east. I'm 176 ~ 178cm, and I'm considered above average over there. But here in the states, I'm average to below average.

I just double checked, 2 meters is 6 feet 5 inches. which is 200 cm, not 185. 185 is roughly 6 ft flat.

200cm = 2m = 6 feet 6.74 inches which I took the liberty to round to 6'7"

(take it from someone who is 6'5", and yes, someone who quite stood out in Japan too during my visit)

[PureYoki]

You mean Priscilla with Raki (vol 10 p 133) is not Priscilla post-awakening but pre-isley (ES3 p8)?

Now I'm confused. :confused: I mean Priscilla after awakening, i.e. Priscilla in ES3 p8 or Priscilla in vol.10 p133, is much taller than the girl on Raki's shoulders.

My latest estimates are: :D

Isley=Raki's brother=Adult Raki 6'1''
Priscilla 5'5'' (look at the picture in vol 11 p 126)
Clare,Irene,Teresa 5'8''
Raki in vol 1 5'4''
Raki in vol 10 p 133 who grew up a little 5'6''
The girl on Raki's shoulder 3'4''

[I <3 Teresa]

Okay, I'm going to take a stab at this! I haven't read every single post, but simply skipped around. I know there are a lot of questions to whom the little girl is, and what Raki is exactly capable of.

#1) The mysterious little girl. Total shot in the dark here, but I'm going to say she's a new character. My guess is going to be that she is another soul link attempt. Possibly a Miata twin. We all know that Miata is having a serious anger management problem as well as some maturing problems. Miata is the fighter and muscle of the soul link. Maybe this other girl is the more serious mature side of Miata? It could have been that during Raki's travel's he ended up bumping into her somewhere. I'm not to sure about the whole Easly <3 Pricilla child thing. It would seem a little weird to me I guess, for a small girl to push out another small girl. (If thats even possible.)

#2) Our new and improved (doubt it) Raki. I may be a bit harsh, but I'm not seeing anything amazing about Raki just yet. Sure he killed a yoma, but that is only possible with the help of his new friend. Without her, he is just a nice suit of polished armor and a shiny sword. Raki is just a faster (maybe stronger) version of Galk and Cid. They too were able to land blows and deal a small amount of damage to an enormous yoma in the citidal. Raki might be able to take one down solo, but anything beyond that and hes through. Put him up against any awaken being, (Mr. Scorpion guy during "The Slashers") and he would be demolished.

#3) Our little insider spy working with Miria. I'm hoping that our insider turns out to be Raphaela. So much is unknown about her and I'd really like to know more. We know that she has already been mistreated by the organization plenty of times, and suffered the loss of her sister because of the organization. I see no reason why she wouldn't want to watch them suffer. If not Raphaela, then possibly Irene or Rubel. Chances are slim but maybe they worked something in with the whole Irene/Raph conflict.

The part im a little leery on is the whole Easley/Pricilla/Raki/Clare mess we have going on. If Raki actually spent those 7 years training with Easley, then there had to be some sort of bond between the two. With that bond comes a slight attachment between Raki and Pricilla. Something had to be said about future plans. Unless Raki is a total screw up, he had to have known something wasn't right about Easley and Prissy. So if he does in fact know that they are AB's, he would have questioned it. Raki isn't the type of person to let something go without crying and asking for answers.

Now that there is an attachment between Raki and his new friends, how does he break the news to Clare? My guess is there is going to be a big fued between all of them, Raki trying to be the counseler, and a moment of crying and forgiving. (Again, thats a HUGE shot in the dark)

All in all, this month's chapter seemed REALLY short, we didn't find out too much as the story skipped around a bit. I'm already waiting for July's issue to help fill in the gaps. Maybe I'll read Chapter 80 every day until July to help subside the withdrawal effects.

[HayashiTakara]

200cm = 2m = 6 feet 6.74 inches which I took the liberty to round to 6'7"

(take it from someone who is 6'5", and yes, someone who quite stood out in Japan too during my visit)

Use a conversion calculator, and you'll see that 200cm is 6'5" not 6'7"

Heres a link

http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm


Oh, and Priscillia was a young teen, when she became a claymore. Its not hard to imagine a teenage girl giving birth

[PureYoki]

Use a conversion calculator, and you'll see that 200cm is 6'5" not 6'7"

Pay attention to the difference between 6.56168 feet and 6 feet 5.6168 inches. 0.56168 feet = 0.56168 * 12 = 6.74 inches.

[ergon]

divide the centimeters by 2.54 is what I do.

The last chapter kept referring to the DoD's as “龍の末裔の一族” literally "a family/tribe/clan of the dragons descendants". 10sigh used the words "Draconic tribe". I was wondering why it used "tribe" each time. Maybe they always fight in packs.

[tenken627]

The last chapter kept referring to the DoD's as “龍の末裔の一族” literally "a family/tribe/clan of the dragons descendants". 10sigh used the words "Draconic tribe". I was wondering why it used "tribe" each time. Maybe they always fight in packs.

You know ergon, that's a very good point.

The word "tribe" connotates that there are more than one, since tribe refers to a social group related mostly by ancestral kinship.

If Yagi-sensei intentionally mentions "tribe" each time when referring to the DoDs, maybe he is trying to show that there are other DoD tribes out there that are not allied with the OEs (Organization's Enemy)?

Maybe there are other tribes that have animosity towards the OE DoD tribe, or have been hidden from human eyes for centuries?

[myshka]

Well you never know what will happen next. To me the timing of Raki's grown up introduction was also a little quick. But it is up to Yagi sensei of course. It is possible that he might suddenly decide to introduce the little girl next.:)

You're joking right? Last time we saw him was in Pieta, that was a year ago in real time. In the mean time the 7 ghosts had the time to rescue Clarice from ABs, rescue current #3 and #5 from Riful and rescue entire Rabona from an awakened #2. All they are doing is saving people lately and raki was no where to be seen. I was stating to think that Piscilla ate him and kept his bones as a souvenier. It's abotu damn time he showed up and I also hope next chapter is going to be Raki's flashback so we can see how he managed to survive and get away from those two. But I'll bet they ended on good terms, since he's not looking over his shoulder all the time, as someone who's got 2 AOs running after him. Still, this is going to be very interesting.

@<3 Teresa
No way this is Maia's twin, the org would never pass a chance at another twin. Or are you saying that she was meant for soul link but escaped or something? I love Miata btw. I think all the claymores have issues. They appear calm and collected on the outside, but inside ther eis something wrong with them. We saw that theme many times over, with Teresa, Ophelia, Deneve, Undine and of course Clare. They are all really inhappy. With Miata that unhappiness is fully outward, she's acting out her mental problems. It's really endearing to see soomeone so strong and yet so vulnerable.

[ergon]

Yes Miaata is an angsty teenager :)

@tenken: I don't know if tribe is the best word. It could be translated family, clan, tribe, group, band...I think its group or band.

"but use of their true power was restricted to deep within the enemy forces...when they encountered [a group of DODs]"

"they were made to fight [the group of DODs] who were their opponents until they had spent their last breath"

[tenken627]

@tenken: I don't know if tribe is the best word. It could be translated family, clan, tribe, group, band...I think its group or band.

"but use of their true power was restricted to deep within the enemy forces...when they encountered [a group of DODs]"

"they were made to fight [the group of DODs] who were their opponents until they had spent their last breath"

Hmmm.

That does make a difference.

Clan and tribe are words used to describe a social group, one of many that make up a small part of a larger overall very loose-knit civilization.

Group and band would just mean that it's a small gathering of individuals, and does not really have any societal connotation to it.

Family could be taken either way.

At least that's how it is in English. I'm not sure about Japanese.

[chibamonster]

Welcome to the forum I <3 Teresa! I also love Teresa.

Hmmm, I am going to say the little girl is Priscilla, just because no one else seems to think so and I think it is a possibility :D. I am fine with being wrong. I am also going to say that Raki can do much better than killing a single youma and will probably show it pretty quick.

I had not given much thought to Miria's informant. It is most likely someone we have already met which means MiB's or another Claymore. Although most the Claymore's Miria would have known are dead. It actually seemed like the 6 armed AB was subtly telling Miria something about the inner workings of the organization and Miria realized it but never explained it to us. If Miria's helper is a MiB Rubel fits the part best and it would be a fun take on his character.

[tenken627]

I don't think Miria's informant was another Claymore, since Claymores do not seem to be informed of much period (just the way the MiBs like it).

A former Claymore during the early days could be possible, such as Isley, Duph or maybe Riful, but I doubt that Miria has communicated with them in any way.

That leaves only the MiBs or someone working for the MiBs.

If you think about it, we don't even know the High Council except for one, Rimuto. There are 5 shadowy figures sitting at all times, and while many of them speak, we do not even know their names. Rimuto seems to be the leader of the councilmen or at least one of the leaders.

I wonder if we'll ever get to know the others.

As for handlers, we know 5 of them, and we've debated many times on how many handlers there are before. I still think there are only few handlers in number.

The ones we know:

1) Rubel
2) Ermita
3) Orsay
4) Rado
5) Leatherface - (the guy with straps on his face)

We do not know much about the trainers, but I don't know if they would be informed well enough to be Miria's informant.

[PureYoki]

Hmmm, I am going to say the little girl is Priscilla, just because no one else seems to think so and I think it is a possibility :D.

You like to play devil's advocate, don't you? :D Fresh ideas are always welcome, they keep the discussion alive. ;)

IMO the collaborator of Miria is Rubel. When Clarice reported back to the organization about the G7 (7 missing swords), he was the one who doubted Miria would give up her life so easily. He knows her well.

I agree with tenken627, the collaborator shouldn't be another claymore because this information is not accessible to any claymore and the help of an insider is necessary.

[Ryuken]

You're joking right?

No @myshka, not joking at all. I'm just saying that he could have planed a few more incidents after Agatha before the introduction of Raki. But like I said before, it's completely up to him. The extra scene with Miria is proof that it could be done.:rolleyes:

[Ryuken]

I mean Priscilla in human form in ES3 page 8. :)



We'll say "Damn, Yagi sensei has again succeeded to surprise us." :D

Seriously, if this girl is Priscilla either me or Yagi has to see an opthamologist (eye doctor). :p This little girl is like a 6-year-old and her age is consistent with the story and the lost seven years.

I think that's a good idea @PureYoki.:D

[KaneDragon]

Priscilla shrank after giving up body mass to Raki's arm. :3

[tenken627]

Priscilla shrank after giving up body mass to Raki's arm. :3

The real truth behind Raki's gigantic left hand.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8099/crop3yf7.jpg

http://www.darkfiber.com/eyeinhand/VHD_BL-01_b.jpg

[myshka]

Kinda makes you thik what exactly has he been doing with it to get it so big......^^

[tenken627]

Kinda makes you thik what exactly has he been doing with it to get it so big......^^

lol

Raki has only been doing sword training with the left hand...? http://www.tokyo-nights.org/forum/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif

[Eisdrache]

I am fairly sure myshka didnt had sword training in mind when he made his post lol

[Synyster]

In the end it only will be a drawing error hahahah :p

[evil_kenshin]

In the end it only will be a drawing error hahahah :p

ironically Isley, Raki's teacher also had the same problem with a drawing (that scene where Isley is swinging the Rabona sword around). Prehaps its part of the teaching or Raki got up to alot with Priscilla :p

[clarakiss~]

ironically Isley, Raki's teacher also had the same problem with a drawing (that scene where Isley is swinging the Rabona sword around). Prehaps its part of the teaching or Raki got up to alot with Priscilla :p

nah, he's just been thinking of clare alot lately :p

[evil_kenshin]

nah, he's just been thinking of clare alot lately :p

no chance both? (one hand for him one hand for priscilla?) ;)

[HayashiTakara]

Pay attention to the difference between 6.56168 feet and 6 feet 5.6168 inches. 0.56168 feet = 0.56168 * 12 = 6.74 inches.

Whats your point? Make a point, all you did was take the take the inches and turned it into a decimal and multiplied it by 12. Why bother doing that when the freaking numbers are already directly converted for you.

[clarakiss~]

*laughs* left hand is probably strong enough to crush a youma's skull :innocent:

[chibamonster]

I love the idea Raki has D's paracyte. Oh how I love half-vampire vampire-hunters. Claymores fall in the same category as half-demon demon-hunters.

[Kinematics]

Pay attention to the difference between 6.56168 feet and 6 feet 5.6168 inches. 0.56168 feet = 0.56168 * 12 = 6.74 inches.
Whats your point? Make a point, all you did was take the take the inches and turned it into a decimal and multiplied it by 12. Why bother doing that when the freaking numbers are already directly converted for you.

Are you honestly trying to be dense? Go back to the page you posted, I'll try to help walk you through it.

Plug 200 into the centimeter box (or 2 into the meter box) and hit calculate. Instead of looking at feet, look at the inches box. Result: 78.7402.

We already know that it's 6+ feet. 6 feet is 72 inches (confirm it on the conversion page if you need to). 78.7402 - 72 = 6.7402. Thus the total height conversion for 2 m = 200 cm = 6 ft 6.74 in.

My best guess is that you're having trouble separating out the concept of the fractional portions of a non-decimal unit system (such as feet/inches) from the decimal values of the metric system.

[SoulesS69]

...Drawing error? ^^

[Synyster]

...Drawing error? ^^

Obviously.

nah, he's just been thinking of clare alot lately :p

ROFL

[Methuselah]

no chance both? (one hand for him one hand for priscilla?) ;)

Who would have thought that he can master a new arm from sex... ==

[Cyclone]

I was thinking about making a marketing campaign for Claymore Armor, and I finally got the perfect slogan and spokeswoman!


http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7230/opheliasarmoryx6.jpg


Should draw plenty of business, don't you agree, HayashiTakara?