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It went as far as 49 episodes, 2 OVAs, 1 movie and a crapload of music CDs.
Nonono I have all those :p
I meant how long was it initially scheduled to be before getting extended?
ReddyRedWolf
2008-06-24, 22:12
And no resolution whatsoever to the Mylene-Gamlin-Basara triangle.
If you can call it a triangle that is.
Basara has more women than any other in Macross. Mylene, Flower girl, Rex, Sivil, Emilia, Chlore and Tranquil with their Meltran fleet, Liza and Elma (a real loli good thing Basara was catatonic.).
Despite all the flowers he doesn't stop by and smell the roses. Basara is too obsessed with singing.
And no resolution whatsoever to the Mylene-Gamlin-Basara triangle.
If you can call it a triangle that is.
Basara has more women than any other in Macross. Mylene, Flower girl, Rex, Sivil, Emilia, Chlore and Tranquil with their Meltran fleet, Liza and Elma (a real loli good thing Basara was catatonic.).
Despite all the flowers he doesn't stop by and smell the roses. Basara is too obsessed with singing.
:nono:There was resolution...
http://mysite.verizon.net/stray/mylenegamlin.jpg
Although... there's also one with Basara so... go figure. :eyespin:
edit: spoilered to save bandwidth.
Anybody knows Emilia Jenius is the perfect romantic match for Basara. Cmon now...
- Tak
Anybody knows Emilia Jenius is the perfect romantic match for Basara. Cmon now...
- Tak
This one's for you Tak.
http://mysite.verizon.net/stray/basaraemilia.jpg
edit: I wonder if there's some foreshadowing for Klan x Michael there...
justinstrife
2008-06-24, 23:20
This one's for you Tak.
http://mysite.verizon.net/stray/basaraemilia.jpg
I approve of this pairing! :p
Some of the scenes were umm hilarious. :D
It would be best if their relationship were to be given the SOLE spotlight for once, I mean, what the heck would Sheryl and Alto's relationship do for Ranka, or why would she be involved in something that only involves 2 people?Try to think on other perspectives, Eidolon Sniper and other Ranka fans. We, Sheryl fans, never want to force our approaches into your minds. Despite we lose our cool and be aggressive in stating our standpoints from time to time due to heat of debates, our initial purpose is just to show more than your own way to take things. Don't know true or not, but I am under an impression that you guys believe Ranka getting Alto is a 100% sure thing, and my fellow Sheryl fans are just a bunch of senseless argue against a fact. What I want to tell you now is that if we think in our ways, the director MAY(not must) think the same.
For example, I am going to provide a possible answer to the question I quoted from your post. Keep in mind, I don't have a correct answer, it's only one of possibilities before the real answer revealed.
Ranka does have some Sheryl-free occasions with Alto, but when was last time? Miss Macross? All the occasions happen before the triangle start. For Sheryl, Ranka is a girl she sees great potential, Alto is a stupid boy having her important earring at that time. There is no need of Sheryl's undertone, just like we Sheryl fans never use the incidence in episode 1 as evidence, like suggesting "Ranka is happy and exciting to see Alto carrying Sheryl and flying around so she is a supporter of SherylXAlto herself," because it happens before any girl develops a romance interest on that guy. Same argument applies to Ranka's times with Alto. I don't remember a single case after Star Date, and I can promise you a case of RankaXAlto with Sheryl undertone within 2 episodes. Think about it, here we are in the middle of a love triangle, on screen, it would be weird if the guy spends time with a girl without any undertone of another girl. Plus, Sheryl is already in too much advance before Ranka, if we get an occasion or two Ranka-free SherylXAlto, even the most confident of your fellow Ranka fans would be in need to convince yourself there is still chance for Ranka win out the triangle.
I approve of this pairing! :p
Some of the scenes were umm hilarious. :D
Of course you would. Emilia was friggin hot ok, HOT!
- Tak
justinstrife
2008-06-24, 23:41
Of course you would. Emilia was friggin hot ok, HOT!
- Tak
And wow was shhheeeee built! :bow::bow::bow::love::love::love: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Wow, you guys are damned. In Macross 7, Bassara is never the one to pick. It's an anti-triangle, the pink-haired is the one to pick. Like in a normal triangle, to emphasize how beautiful girls are, each girl would get more than single-digital number of followers, but those followers can never have a chance against the male lead so they are never considered as a part of the triangle(well, more than 3 parts, triangle no more...). Mylene is the one to make decision; all Bassara can do is to follow the desicion made by the youngest of Junies's.
Mylene is the one to make decision; all Bassara can do is to follow the desicion made by the youngest of Junies's.
Meh, Basara never gave much of a rats bottom about that. And a lot of us think Emilia was the one for Basara. Mylene, well, she volunteered for trouble, can't blame Basara for that one.
- Tak
CrowKenobi
2008-06-25, 00:02
Meh, Basara never gave much of a rats bottom about that. And a lot of us think Emilia was the one for Basara. Mylene, well, she volunteered for trouble, can't blame Basara for that one.
- TakWell, Basara had to give his ok for her to get into the band in the first place... :eyespin:
:cool:
My reply is to ReddyRedWolf not you, Tak.
Your statement is a subjective opinion, and a subjuctive opinion can never be wrong as long as you don't mess it up with objective fact.
Same goes with my favourite pairing in MF (I guess you can remember: SherylXKlan Klan FTW). I can tell I like to see it and no one would care what I say; however, I tell I believe it's final pairing, you either take me as a crazyman or reason me the scenario is impossible.
And, well, you like or not. Bassara is currently trapped in a prison called the-marriage-with-Mylene-Flare-Jenius-Nekki.
My reply is to ReddyRedWolf not you, Tak.
If thats the case, then why did you address all of us?
Remember, you typed:
"Wow, you guys are damned."
- Tak (And you know, this is a public forum, there is private messaging if you don't want our replies to your post)
lone_wolf
2008-06-25, 00:10
Meh, Basara never gave much of a rats bottom about that. And a lot of us think Emilia was the one for Basara. Mylene, well, she volunteered for trouble, can't blame Basara for that one.
- Tak
This is somewhat offtopic but wasn't there a picture of all 7 sisters in Emilia's room? I've been trying to find a screencap of that for ages!
Ugh...sorry for the off-topicness....and yes, I also believe that Emilia was the one for Basara....together they were just...smexy....which is what I think of Sheryl and Alto together.
Ranka is cute but you just can't call her sexy.:heh:
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
If thats the case, then why did you address all of us?
Remember, you typed:
"Wow, you guys are damned."
- Tak (And you know, this is a public forum, there is private messaging if you want our replies to your post)Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.
I did make my reply to ReddyRedWolf, but I wanted you and all people talking about Macross 7 saw it.
And my apology again for the harshness in my words.
CrowKenobi
2008-06-25, 00:20
This is somewhat offtopic but wasn't there a picture of all 7 sisters in Emilia's room? I've been trying to find a screencap of that for ages!
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼Yes, there is... but you'll need to find a raw of that scene since the subs cover the pic (and it's not very sharp). :D
:cool:
22:12 in the Central Anime sub
This is somewhat offtopic but wasn't there a picture of all 7 sisters in Emilia's room? I've been trying to find a screencap of that for ages!
Ugh...sorry for the off-topicness....and yes, I also believe that Emilia was the one for Basara....together they were just...smexy....which is what I think of Sheryl and Alto together.
Ranka is cute but you just can't call her sexy.:heh:
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
All 7?!?!?!
Holy crap, you're right...
Lone Wolf I'll put it in the Macross 7 thread, I'm afraid of what will happen in here if I go too far off topic... however for the sake of posterity, Basara's face as he hears Mylene and Emilia call each other onichan....
http://mysite.verizon.net/stray/basaraonichan.jpg
ReddyRedWolf
2008-06-25, 00:29
lol@herbert
I did say Basara was a singing idiot too much that he doesn't notice the girls.
If he did he would've gotten those flowers sooner.
Besides the last time we saw Basara he did grand theft Valkyrie with both Mylene and Gamlin chasing him.
lone_wolf
2008-06-25, 00:30
All 7?!?!?!
Holy crap, you're right...
Lone Wolf I'll put it in the Macross 7 thread, I'm afraid of what will happen in here if I go too far off topic... however for the sake of posterity, Basara's face as he hears Mylene and Emilia call each other onichan....
http://mysite.verizon.net/stray/basaraonichan.jpg
LOL, I loved that expression on Basara...."Oneechan?!" :heh:
Cool! Thanks, Stray!
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
lol@herbert
I did say Basara was a singing idiot too much that he doesn't notice the girls.
If he did he would've gotten those flowers sooner.
Besides the last time we saw Basara he did grand theft Valkyrie with both Mylene and Gamlin chasing him.
You must forget that poster of ceremony.
SymphonicRain
2008-06-25, 01:09
Wow. Lots of girls chasing him and yet he picks over singing obsession than to sow the seeds?
Basara must be either gay or sterile. Or Bobby = Basara?
*Shudders*
justinstrife
2008-06-25, 01:17
Ugh...sorry for the off-topicness....and yes, I also believe that Emilia was the one for Basara....together they were just...smexy....which is what I think of Sheryl and Alto together.
Ranka is cute but you just can't call her sexy.:heh:
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
:nod::nod::nod::naughty::naughty::naughty:
evil|plushie
2008-06-25, 02:01
Emilia x Basara ftw. Much much better than Mylene imo. If not Emilia then Flower girl x Basara ftw also.
lone_wolf
2008-06-25, 02:10
Emilia x Basara ftw. Much much better than Mylene imo. If not Emilia then Flower girl x Basara ftw also.
Damn...Kawamori needs to make an OVA extra of the lives of the Jenius sisters or something....and an EmiliaxBasara sidestory would be sooo hot! There was so much chemistry between them. :love:
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
I'm sick and tired of wasting my time in a discussion when I'll be proven right in the long run anyway. After a few posts I'll be back in episode 13 so I can bring some fangirls back down to earth (watch them ignore the undertones!) and restore confidence in some fans not seeing the big picture. Unless Sheryl reacts in a certain way I'm utterly confident 13 will be good for Sheryl fans in the long run...
if Sheryl enters an actual relationship with Alto due to noticing that Ranka and Alto have become closer than Ranka wins period. That's game, set, match if it happens. Otoh if Ranka enters a relationship with Alto first which causes Sheryl to realize her feelings... well I'm sure you've seen enough anime/manga with the above scenario to know what happens.
I'm just addressing this since I've seen you bring this up time and time again....
Sheryl will come to love Alto later, but if you're thinking that that will render Ranka's (the one the story has been focusing more on) feelings for Alto moot, then you're fooling yourself.
Who said that Sheryl loving Alto will render Ranka's feelings moot? me? When have I said it, quotes please and actual quotes this time instead of made up bullshit like the crap you pulled on omni's blog.
I had to drill this into your side in True Tears and by the looks of it I'll have to do the same here, Alto (like Shin) is not Ranka Lee's (like Noe) to give up. It doesn't matter if Ranka Lee loves him if Alto loves Sheryl more. The act of being given leave to leave a relationship by a girl so the lead can hook up with another just makes the lead look horrible and spineless and if the gutless Kouichi from Kimikiss can end his relationship I'm sure Alto can do the same.
Alto ending his relationship with Ranka Lee to choose Sheryl in the end perfectly fits with the line you consider a "trumpcard". You better hope that line is for Ozma because if it isn't it's obvious how it's used. The line is perfect to give people the Minmei from DYRL reaction to Ranka since it's so heartfelt and full of emotion.
Btw Eidolon I like how you took offense to being called a fan girl over an idiot instead /facepalm. Or maybe you're a guy even though your profile says otherwise and that's why you took offense? I'm sorry Ms.. Mr..? whatever you are but if you're going to post like this you're a Ranka Lee fangirl just as much as I'm a Sheryl Nome fanboy. Don't like it than don't be so biased, you're not exactly a pillar of objectiveness :rolleyes:
Oh one more ani_d since I think this shows your bias against Sheryl perfectly.
You may say this is Alto, Sheryl, and Ranka's show. Then that's fine. But if you watch the story, and I'm not saying Sheryl has no focus, the ones who have always been giving the most focus here are Alto and Ranka's character developments.
Pardon the language but Alto has had fuck all character development (If you haven't noticed this is one of the things people bring up when talking about the bad points of the show) until the last fucking episode and if you think only Sheryl fans think like this than than you should read wao's posts from episode 10 thread and numerous other posts. You're delusional to think Alto has had more development than Sheryl, the idea is laughable.
Btw for Shuffle... I haven't finished it but I know who wins.. in fact I started it because I was told the character who wins is the archetype I like.. since I was lamenting in the Ichigo 100% thread that Satuski had no chance period... (oh I nailed this prediction as well after volume 6-7.. even though the winner was my least fav character at the time... she became my fav by the end though, still amazed a lot of people didn't see this end...) kinda wished I watched it without being spoiled.. I probably would've ignored the winner at the start (small role, archetype loses 99% of the time) but I wonder if I would've picked up on things if i went in unspoiled. Knowing the result I can see the hints they have left from the first ten...
This is not to say Ranka x Alto ending is impossible. Heck, Sheryl can always turns out to be a cyborg or something.
I actually considered the possibility until Grace's um.. what's the word.. body heat scanner or whatever... scanned Sheryl. Doesn't that rule that out or are Macross cyborgs that advanced?
If she's not a normal human being I'm thinking she's something like Keith Anyan from Terra e or maybe like a Cloud Strife (infused with Sara Nome DNA?) from Final Fantasy VII. (Nether of these will hurt her romantic chances.. if anything increase) Best case scenario for Sheryl is she's just being used and manipulated by Grace/Galaxy.. worst case is something like the above two possibilities I outlined.
But based on current trends, it looks like Sheryl x Alto with Ranka maturing and becoming independent person seem to be the likely outcome.
It's so obvious this is going to happen it hurts, a lot of arguments ani_d is using actually supports this in a way, just twisted to suit her own agenda.
TwilightHack
2008-06-25, 08:43
if Sheryl enters an actual relationship with Alto due to noticing that Ranka and Alto have become closer than Ranka wins period. That's game, set, match if it happens. Otoh if Ranka enters a relationship with Alto first which causes Sheryl to realize her feelings... well I'm sure you've seen enough anime/manga with the above scenario to know what happens.
I had the same thoughts really... glad you pointed that out to those who don't quite get that.
I actually considered the possibility until Grace's um.. what's the word.. body heat scanner or whatever... scanned Sheryl. Doesn't that rule that out or are Macross cyborgs that advanced?
About this, she's specifically stated in Episode 5 that she's "All Natural," which happens to be one of her "selling points." Anyone saying she's a cyborg after what was said and what we've seen is a pretty way out there in my opinion.
I had the same thoughts really... glad you pointed that out to those who don't quite get that.
It's rather obvious to me that they are going in that direction though I do allow the possibility of Sheryl reacting in a way that pretty much ends her chances. It's hilarious they want to point out that every Alto and Sheryl scene has Ranka undertones when the same has happened to Alto and Ranka and will continue especially in the upcoming episodes.
They are trying to make both leads look sympathetic to avoid the "Serves you right Minmei bitch" reaction in this series. They want a DYRL type end to the triangle instead of a Macross TV and remember people that DYRL was Kawamori's directorial debut.
Both girls are going to love Alto, Alto will have feelings for both, both will have a viable chance, if people want to agree with ani_d and sniper that the first 11 episodes provide no chance for Sheryl than it's just a case of the blind leading the blind.
The first 11 episodes provides a great platform for a Sheryl and Alto ending once they both realize their feeling for each other. Their chemistry, personality match, back and forth conversations, Sheryl understanding of Alto and interactions are a great platform. 12 should continue this... seriously 12 could end with a sick Sheryl performing "What About My FanClub" to
set Alto free from his hostage situation (assuming Tak is right about this in the episode 11 thread, haven't heard this anywhere else.. no offense meant), collapse from performing and have Alto concerned and the two blind leaders of the Ranka Lee fanclub would think 10 seconds showing Michael and Ranka arrive is more meaningful.
Everyone who's seen them interact a lot (Grace, Michael, Luca, Nanase and Ranka herself) knows it's only a matter of time since they both like each other even though they don't know it. Ranka is getting a lot of focus because she is the key to the plot and it will more than likely show her character growth through defeat in love much like the ones Keyboard discussed 5-6 pages back.
ReddyRedWolf
2008-06-25, 09:02
All natural that Sheryl is not a cyborg but who is to say that she may not be that natural.
Given the tech humans recieved from the Zentradi it isn't far fetched that Sheryl may be a clone or at very least a in-vitro baby.
There has to be a reason why she was isolated in Galaxy. A big secret, a secret as big as Ranka's.
Damn...Kawamori needs to make an OVA extra of the lives of the Jenius sisters or something....and an EmiliaxBasara sidestory would be sooo hot! There was so much chemistry between them. :love:
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
Seconded!
All natural that Sheryl is not a cyborg but who is to say that she may not be that natural.
Given the tech humans recieved from the Zentradi it isn't far fetched that Sheryl may be a clone or at very least a in-vitro baby.
There has to be a reason why she was isolated in Galaxy. A big secret, a secret as big as Ranka's.
Hmmm... viable. I just want to know the secret of Ranka's magical belly thing from episode 7.
Who said that Sheryl loving Alto will render Ranka's feelings moot? me? When have I said it, quotes please and actual quotes this time instead of made up bullshit like the crap you pulled on omni's blog.
Uh....just now?:heh: As you wish, ACTUAL quote.
Otoh if Ranka enters a relationship with Alto first which causes Sheryl to realize her feelings... well I'm sure you've seen enough anime/manga with the above scenario to know what happens.
Sheryl realizes that she loves Alto and suddenly the fact that Ranka's (not just her actually) and Alto's feelings as well are going to be ignored since the almighty Sheryl Nome will be on the path to take back Alto? The underdog act has already been overused by Ranka and (correct me if I'm wrong) you expect the story to pull the same thing on Sheryl? There are better ways to make good drama other than the underdog act.
If Sheryl starts going for Alto, it doesn't equate to Ranka losing, all it will cause is a good drama which Kawamori is very notorious from.
This is the situation right now: Ranka believes that Sheryl and Alto are already set to happen and this made her REALIZE her own feelings. You're confusing yourself between Sheryl and Ranka because your "surefire LT winning scenario" is already happening to Ranka. The story is not going to pull the same thing twice in the show if they want to do Sheryl justice.
For the umpteenth time, the story is looking AT Ranka not Sheryl--which basically renders her relationship to Alto (no matter how "inferior" some people say it is to Sheryl's) as first priority. Ranka's feelings for Alto has been one of the major highlights of her character development eating up a lot of focus from the first 11 episodes. Ranka and Alto's relationship has every potential for growth and that's something that we cannot ignore especially since we're just halfway through the series. If the story's plan for Ranka is for her to realize that she doesn't love Alto, then why would they do episode 13? You tell me.:eyebrow: If she was set to fall out of love, episode 11 IS the turning point. From hereon, Sheryl should be the one to get closer to Alto for the next half of the series, but what did Kawamori do?
He will make her sick and miss all the fun.
Frankly, I have no idea how Ranka will get to Galia 4, but just the fact that for some reason the story is miraculously going to push her and Alto together again should just about tell us that the two ARE purposely being pushed together. Why are we all ignoring this? Ranka is hated this much? Your Kawamori history didn't even do it this way when it came to Minmay and Misa. Just goes to show that you're using Macross history in the wrong way. (If someone is willing to quote me on this, then I'll willingly explain.)
Pardon the language but Alto has had fuck all character development (If you haven't noticed this is one of the things people bring up when talking about the bad points of the show) until the last fucking episode and if you think only Sheryl fans think like this than than you should read wao's posts from episode 10 thread and numerous other posts. You're delusional to think Alto has had more development than Sheryl, the idea is laughable.
Sheryl has more development than Alto? That's so funny. If you think this way then it's definitely not because she has had more screentime than Ranka and Alto for sure. First off, there hasn't even one single episode focusing solely on Sheryl. Alto yes, Ranka yes, Sheryl nada. Just like Ranka, Alto is also in the process of character development. He started out with a lot of issues in episode 1, continued till episode 11 and onwards. My point isn't about the fact that Alto is a completely developed character than Sheryl, my point is about Alto having more FOCUS than Sheryl. =/
Between the three, it's Alto and Ranka that's always been having all these internal monologues about how they perceive themselves, their feelings, and the people around them compared to the rest of the characters. We get to peek more into Alto and Ranka's minds than we do with Sheryl. This is a fact.
Now, tell me how am I blinded by my bias when I say Alto and Ranka have had more focus in the show than Sheryl? I'm just saying what's obvious.
After a few posts I'll be back in episode 13 so I can bring some fangirls back down to earth (watch them ignore the undertones!) and restore confidence in some fans not seeing the big picture. Unless Sheryl reacts in a certain way I'm utterly confident 13 will be good for Sheryl fans in the long run...
That's good and all, but I doubt your using nothing but a Kawamori history or mismatched stereotypes will provide enough confidence to some rational Sheryl fans.
I'm sick and tired of wasting my time in a discussion when I'll be proven right in the long run anyway.
Whatever ^__^
About this, she's specifically stated in Episode 5 that she's "All Natural," which happens to be one of her "selling points." Anyone saying she's a cyborg after what was said and what we've seen is a pretty way out there in my opinion.
I'm not saying she's a cyborg, I was making a point that the current likelihood of Ranka x Alto is about the same as Sheryl being a cyborg (i.e. very unlikely). ;)
On the flip side though, just because someone tells you they are "all natural" doesn't make it so. Heck, if you watch enough animes, there are plenty of heroes/heroines that honestly though they were complete human but it turns out not to be the case.
Tsuchiro
2008-06-25, 13:22
I'm not saying she's a cyborg, I was making a point that the current likelihood of Ranka x Alto is about the same as Sheryl being a cyborg (i.e. very unlikely). ;)
On the flip side though, just because someone tells you they are "all natural" doesn't make it so. Heck, if you watch enough animes, there are plenty of heroes/heroines that honestly though they were complete human but it turns out not to be the case.
Since when do cyborgs get sick?:confused:
As much as I want to encourage you guys to use any and all available ammo in your arsenal for this shipping war, could you do the rest of us a favor and be extremely careful on how you reference future episodes. Right now you're on the knife's edge when it comes to spoilers for eps 12-13. I'd hate to ruin the surprises and plot twists for many of those reading this thread (myself included) just for a shipping war.
Uh....just now? As you wish, ACTUAL quote.
How does that render Ranka's feelings for Alto moot? Sheryl realizing her own feelings doesn't change Ranka's in any way whatsoever.
Sheryl realizes that she loves Alto and suddenly the fact that Ranka's (not just her actually) and Alto's feelings as well are going to be ignored since the almighty Sheryl Nome will be on the path to take back Alto?
If you consider 13/14 to 24/25 to be sudden than yes it's sudden.
The underdog act has already been overused by Ranka and (correct me if I'm wrong) you expect the story to pull the same thing on Sheryl? There are better ways to make good drama other than the underdog act.
I expect both girls to make people feel sympathetic in the love story.
If Sheryl starts going for Alto, it doesn't equate to Ranka losing, all it will cause is a good drama which Kawamori is very notorious from.
I never said Sheryl going for Alto equates to a Ranka loss, definitely depends on when/how and if you actually read what I type instead of going lolkawamori you would see that I said if Sheryl goes for/out Alto right after 13 Ranka wins.
If the story's plan for Ranka is for her to realize that she doesn't love Alto, then why would they do episode 13? You tell me.:eyebrow:
When have I said Ranka will realize she doesn't love Alto? It's a triangle ffs, the choice is Alto's not Ranka's.
rest later, got work. Btw there's a difference between character development and character focus, learn next time you try to imply Alto is developed... sincehis lack of character development is the most complained thing I've heard about this show.
Wesley84
2008-06-25, 16:28
Since when do cyborgs get sick?:confused:
Could be a bad implant. And her boobs did look bigger in the episode.
Could be a bad implant. And her boobs did look bigger in the episode.
ROTFL. I vaguely remember reading something about leaking silcones making people ill in one of my medical case books [runs off and go hide under a rock]. :heh:
ROTFL. I vaguely remember reading something about leaking silcones making people ill in one of my medical case books [runs off and go hide under a rock]. :heh:
BLASPHEMY! Sheryl's boobs are REAL! I guarantee it!
Speaking of romances...
Wow, sometimes we make the girls look like sore losers. Like there are billions of men in the galaxy and Alto just had to be the prize. Not that I have a problem with it, nope, not at all, but its funny yo!
- Tak (GERMANY ADVANCES TO THE FINALS!)
BLASPHEMY! Sheryl's boobs are REAL! I guarantee it!
Why do you think I'm still hiding under a rock. :heh:
Wow, sometimes we make the girls look like sore losers. Like there are billions of men in the galaxy and Alto just had to be the prize. Not that I have a problem with it, nope, not at all, but its funny yo!
The same could be said about most anime romance set-up out there (especially the triangle and harem variety). But hey, that's anime's biggest selling point - unrealistic fantasy FTW! Guess we all need our dose of pure escapism. ;)
DragoonKain3
2008-06-25, 18:07
In all honesty, why's the Sheryl camp accusing the Ranka camp of not being able to see a Sheryl ending, when pretty much all what I have read from the Sheryl camp, it looks like they can't see a Ranka ending either? Pot calling the kettle black, much? Especially mind boggling, as from what I've read, the Sheryl camp is several times more forceful about their ending than the Ranka camp... :twitch:
Because as the current situation stands, Alto is as obssessed with his flying as Basara was with his singing, from what little I've seen of M7. Whatever edge one girl holds right now is so miniscule that it could be easily turned over by a major event later on, of which there's still plenty of time for it to happen. As it is, there's very little of Alto-->Anyone to make any reliable predictons from, and nothing that's been presented here has proven to me otherwise. I mean, it's all well and good that people set out how their situation will play out, but going from what has been shown so far, it's as much speculation as anothers. Thus one should refrain from telling the other camp that they're 'not seeing the forest for the trees', or so to speak.
And what's this about 'evening the playing field' where one girl gets a major part in the plot, while the other girl gets to win the guy? Because as far as I know of Kawamori's works aside from the original Macross, he is not shy from giving the losing side of the triangle the short end of the stick. A very short end at that, in some cases.
And for the record, while I'm really more or less neutral on the main triangle, I currently lean a little bit more on SherylXAlto as Ranka might have a potential osana-najimi. But really now, camps claiming now that they are absolutely right in their prediction, when the show isn't even yet half over? Give me a break... because if this is going to be a real homage to the original Macross, they're going to keep us guessing right till the very end. >_>
The coupling with the most probable chance of happening would be KleinKlanXMikhail, but that's really have to do more with the lack of 'real' rivals and the parallel to Max and Millia more than anything else. And even then, it's still a very long shot at this stage of the game.
Btw there's a difference between character development and character focus, learn next time you try to imply Alto is developed... sincehis lack of character development is the most complained thing I've heard about this show.
I didn't say Alto is developed, his and Ranka's character developments just have more focus. You really need to get some sleep. This is what I said. -_-
But if you watch the story, and I'm not saying Sheryl has no focus, the ones who have always been giving the most focus here are Alto and Ranka's character developments.
Especially mind boggling, as from what I've read, the Sheryl camp is several times more forceful about their ending than the Ranka camp...
Finally someone noticed...
And what's this about 'evening the playing field' where one girl gets a major part in the plot, while the other girl gets to win the guy? Because as far as I know of Kawamori's works aside from the original Macross, he is not shy from giving the losing side of the triangle the short end of the stick. A very short end at that, in some cases.
If you ask me, it's nothing but a Kawamori history gone wrong.:uhoh:
But really now, camps claiming now that they are absolutely right in their prediction, when the show isn't even yet half over? Give me a break... because if this is going to be a real homage to the original Macross, they're going to keep us guessing right till the very end. >_>
Ah, the things we do to wait for the next episode:heh:
Anyway, after hearing some...
possible deathflags. I'd rather speculate about the coming episodes for now rather than talk about LT though.
In all honesty, why's the Sheryl camp accusing the Ranka camp of not being able to see a Sheryl ending, when pretty much all what I have read from the Sheryl camp, it looks like they can't see a Ranka ending either? Pot calling the kettle black, much?
Name one or two Sheryl fans, who has posted more than 10 posts in this thread, have said anything hinting Ranka ending is never gonna to happen. The worst Sheryl fans have done is just yelling 'SherylXAlto ftw, and Ranka die," but we all know it's baseless wishful thinking, not worthy to take those comments seriously. On the other hand, ani_d have written many posts to educate us how Sheryl is just a spice added into Ranka's love story and no otherwise possibility.
Especially mind boggling, as from what I've read, the Sheryl camp is several times more forceful about their ending than the Ranka camp... :twitch:
Have you read how many times bitch comments are made on Sheryl from Ranka fans and how many times are made another way around? I have said before, Ranka is an open book, you can read into without much effort; Sheryl is a more complex character, you think a lot to understand her, but, well, you know, she is unworthy for the precious time and effort of some Ranka fans.
If you want an example on how sensitive Ranka fans can be if a bad comment made on their dear Ranka, go to see how they reacted when I accused Ranka for dishonestness in ep 6.
justinstrife
2008-06-25, 20:39
I'm not exactly sure how anyone can view, that Alto has gotten as much character growth as Sheryl and Ranka. He really hasn't changed that much from episode 1, to episode 11. The only REAL difference, is he flies Valkyries now.
Sheryl and Ranka have gotten FAR MORE character growth and focus. Just because Alto's in half of the scenes, doesn't mean he's gotten a lot of focus or growth. I'm actually a little frustrated at the lack of depth we're getting out of him, and hoping he catches up soon. He's more a catalyst for Sheryl and Ranka, than anything else at this point...
Swampstorm
2008-06-25, 20:41
In all honesty, why's the Sheryl camp accusing the Ranka camp of not being able to see a Sheryl ending, when pretty much all what I have read from the Sheryl camp, it looks like they can't see a Ranka ending either? Pot calling the kettle black, much? Especially mind boggling, as from what I've read, the Sheryl camp is several times more forceful about their ending than the Ranka camp... :twitch:When there are more people here who are actively trying to make a case for Sheryl x Alto, you should expect a more forceful response. It's the same reason why if someone really felt like trolling this subforum, then they'd probably want to drop a few obnoxious remarks about Sheryl, rather than try to pick a fight with Ranka's army of one (or was it two?) Needless to say, this is a continuous source of facepalm for me. :o
But really now, camps claiming now that they are absolutely right in their prediction, when the show isn't even yet half over? Give me a break... because if this is going to be a real homage to the original Macross, they're going to keep us guessing right till the very end. >_>I'm not sure why people are trying to predict an outcome or guess at the writers' intentions, either. But it does produce a number of rather spectacular pseudo-arguments wherein people try to somehow nullify each others' guesses with their own. Unfortunately, I haven't yet figured out the rules to this game, so I don't know how to win. :heh:
And what's this about 'evening the playing field' where one girl gets a major part in the plot, while the other girl gets to win the guy? Because as far as I know of Kawamori's works aside from the original Macross, he is not shy from giving the losing side of the triangle the short end of the stick. A very short end at that, in some cases.This is a slightly more sophisticated game in which we assign endings to the characters on the basis of need. In order to win, you need to show that your character of choice needs the desired ending more than the other. Unfortunately, everyone is vying for the same goal, so a perpetual stalemate is eventually reached with the simple statement "Let them eat cake."
The thing that makes many of these arguments extremely baffling, though, is that nobody bothers to state their conclusions. It's always left open as if it secretly implies something. At that point other people leap on it, assuming that it's somehow damaging for their own case.
The most bizarre ones that I've seen as of late are the series of assertions that the story of Macross Frontier revolves entirely around Ranka. If someone wants to insist that this is the case, then sure, I'll take their word for it. But what does this have to do with romance? :confused:
The same goes for that "character development" issue. So what? :p
I always want to give a proper reply to some of these things, but then I just fall behind and give up. :heh:
justinstrife
2008-06-25, 20:56
The most bizarre ones that I've seen as of late are the series of assertions that the story of Macross Frontier revolves entirely around Ranka. If someone wants to insist that this is the case, then sure, I'll take their word for it. But what does this have to do with romance? :confused:
Wait, wait, wait. You mean, this isn't Macross Frontier: Ranka's Story? :twitch:
Wow. ani_d's been hammering us day and night with the fact that the whole entire story revolves around Ranka, and I was actually starting to believe it. You've just destroyed my inner peace. :p
Swampstorm
2008-06-25, 21:27
Regardless of whether the statement is "right" or "wrong", I have no problems with going along with it. In fact, even if someone wants to assert that they are 2,000,000% confident in a Ranka x Alto ending (as a consequence of some powerful revelation found in the spoilers, no doubt), I have no problem in going along with that too. It'll all come out in the wash, anyways.
Now if someone wants to discuss why Sheryl and Alto make a fantastic couple, that's something that I'll gladly talk about at length. ;)
In all honesty, why's the Sheryl camp accusing the Ranka camp of not being able to see a Sheryl ending, when pretty much all what I have read from the Sheryl camp, it looks like they can't see a Ranka ending either? Pot calling the kettle black, much? Especially mind boggling, as from what I've read, the Sheryl camp is several times more forceful about their ending than the Ranka camp... :twitch:
Um, I'm a Sheryl fan and I've said multiple times in this forum that I think Ranka is going to win (unfortunately...at least to me). I think all the signs point to the Ranka ending.....she is the underdog and they keep slamming us with how she is always 'losing' somehow to Sheryl. This is all leading up to her coming from behind and winning.
Plus, she is possibly Mao Nome's descendant. Mao lost in Zero, so maybe Kawamori will 'even' things out by having Ranka win.
I have no doubt it'll be all about Ranka's song saving everyone and her hooking up with Alto. *sighs* I hope Sheryl gets some happiness in the end. Just keeping her as is, isn't a very satisfactory ending to me.
ani_d how is Alto's character development given more focus when it's taking up to episode 11 for him to actually get something more than minuscule when it comes to development. I really don't know if I should be talking character development with someone who said something like... "Ranka wasn't the focus of episode 7 but her character development didn't stop for a second". Here I'll help you out when it comes to character development, watch Terra e/Towards the Terra, watch the two main characters in Jomy and Keith, that's character development, not Ranka finding out Sheryl knows Alto's gone off to fight... lmao @ didn't stop when it didn't even get off the ground in the first place.
And that I need more sleep line was cute even though it's true but who said this.
Sheryl has more development than Alto? That's so funny.
*reads post about how you was talking about focus on development not development itself* :rolleyes:
In all honesty, why's the Sheryl camp accusing the Ranka camp of not being able to see a Sheryl ending, when pretty much all what I have read from the Sheryl camp, it looks like they can't see a Ranka ending either? Pot calling the kettle black, much? Especially mind boggling, as from what I've read, the Sheryl camp is several times more forceful about their ending than the Ranka camp... :twitch:
Who's done this? Me, herbert, crisis, swamp, lone wolf? There's a difference between confidence and being blind.
Because as the current situation stands, Alto is as obssessed with his flying as Basara was with his singing, from what little I've seen of M7.
Why do people compare Alto to Macross 7's Basara when Macross Plus' Isamu Dyson is a much better comparison? Especially since Alto shares Isamu's love of flying, now will one of the two or maybe both girls do a Myung and think he loves flying more than them... and yes Alto isn't exactly the cassanova Isamu was but he's far from being a sterile little bitch like Basara.
I'm actually a little frustrated at the lack of depth we're getting out of him, and hoping he catches up soon.
Like I said before Alto's lack of character development and focus is one of the most complained about things I've seen for this show, I really doubt ani_d would've said Alto was developed if she wasn't trying to discredit Sheryl.
Anyway ani_d are you going to answer me how Sheryl discovering her feelings for Alto will make Ranka Lee fall out of love with Alto. A few times you've replied to me saying that and to be frank it makes no fucking sense. How do you get 1+1 = 3? Also when have I ever said that Ranka will fall out of love with Alto? But than again you're the person who thought Bobby was serious with the pregnancy joke, you thought Misa was more important than Minmei in the early period of Macross, so I really don't know how you fucking see things (pass me some of that piff) but please enlighten me!
ReddyRedWolf
2008-06-26, 05:09
Why do people compare Alto to Macross 7's Basara when Macross Plus' Isamu Dyson is a much better comparison? Especially since Alto shares Isamu's love of flying, now will one of the two or maybe both girls do a Myung and think he loves flying more than them... and yes Alto isn't exactly the cassanova Isamu was but he's far from being a sterile little bitch like Basara.
Because unlike Isamu, Alto isn't a suicidal.
Isamu is in for the thrill, Alto just wants open space. (Preferably blue)
Speaking of Alto's development, we should not be too alarmed if it is going too slowly. After all, in Macross tradition, male character developments are never drastic. Take Hikaru for example, he pretty much stayed consistent throughout the whole show, just as Isamu and Basara remained consistent. The focus had always been given to the women. They count for the most part, after all, women are generally responsible for saving the galaxy...
- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND VOR!)
Because unlike Isamu, Alto isn't a suicidal.
Isamu is in for the thrill, Alto just wants open space. (Preferably blue)
I prefer to think of Isamu as exciting than suicidal :) Also charging a Varja with only a knife is slightly suicidal... *Sighs* why couldn't we get a lead like Isamu for an entire tv series...
ReddyRedWolf
2008-06-26, 08:37
I prefer to think of Isamu as exciting than suicidal :) Also charging a Varja with only a knife is slightly suicidal... *Sighs* why couldn't we get a lead like Isamu for an entire tv series...
Because he'll have sex with every bridge bunny before the series is over.
Not exactly the innocent boy type.
Wesley84
2008-06-26, 10:08
Speaking of Alto's development, we should not be too alarmed if it is going too slowly. After all, in Macross tradition, male character developments are never drastic. Take Hikaru for example, he pretty much stayed consistent throughout the whole show, just as Isamu and Basara remained consistent. The focus had always been given to the women. They count for the most part, after all, women are generally responsible for saving the galaxy...
- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND VOR!)
Not really. The guy started out as a stunt pilot. You could tell the guy had no stomach for combat, but Minmei's presence forced him to man up in situations he wouldn't have handled so well otherwise. Take charge and that sort of thing.
Then he actually signs up, and quickly enough he learns to be a soldier or fighter pilot. Like it didn't bother him anymore, and instead the fact it didn't bother him anymore bothered him.
Then there's the whole courting Minmei without stating actually stating his intentions. So far as I've seen, I think he just needs to officially ask her out, rather than dance around and trying to get her attention. She may be a proper young lady and has a belief in how things should be done. Or not. I don't really know, but it's the best I can think of without labeling Minmei a total tease.
justinstrife
2008-06-26, 11:05
Because he'll have sex with every bridge bunny before the series is over.
Not exactly the innocent boy type.
:heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:
Lucy > Myung. -hides-
Now if someone wants to discuss why Sheryl and Alto make a fantastic couple, that's something that I'll gladly talk about at length. ;)
There's something really refreshing about them, starting from their tsundere banters to the way they just bring out specks of character traits from each other when they're together. I haven't seen a lot of relationships in other anime like this before, which is why I'm giving them my full support.
(By the way, Swampstorm I think you're the perfect person to do a ship manifesto on them. :D)
TwilightHack
2008-06-26, 15:09
yikes, in before "The Chaos"
Well AltoxRanka has stepped onto the field full swing.
Ranka's entrance, Sheryl's loss... Sheryl's "head start" advantage is now moot. Given developments in this episode as well as the things expected in upcoming episodes... thing's don't bode well for AltoxSheryl.
If Alto and Ranka connect on a mutually deeper level in episode 13 instead of the faint blushes in episode 12, then the only hope for AltoxSheryl is for them to come to terms with whatever they feel between each other.
I thought that Sheryl trying to keep her present to Alto was one of the most touching moments yet... that and the small scene with her and Grace.
Then again, it seems Ranka is stepping into Minmei's shoes while Sheryl is settling into Misa's...
But I suppose the real question now is... Will things continue to pay homage to SDF-1 or will be given something completely new in the end?
magnuskn
2008-06-26, 15:25
But I suppose the real question now is... Will things continue to pay homage to SDF-1 or will be given something completely new in the end?
A harem endling would be something new. :D
:p
A harem endling would be something new. :D
:p
Two Words - 'Nice Macross'.
*Due to technical reasons, the final episode of Macross Frontier will not air tonight. Instead, enjoy this soothing musical interlude with Lynn Minmay as we bring you Flashback 2012*
So... after episode 12... who "won" the birthday-athon?
So... after episode 12... who "won" the birthday-athon?
Alto won of course. ;)
So... after episode 12... who "won" the birthday-athon?
Unsure now. I've always thought Sheryl's birthday present was the vast, unlimited space, but judging from her reaction, it seems that's not the case. If not space, if not Frontier, then where on Earth could it be? Perhaps it will be revealed later on? Oh, it was answered in the end.
From the small scene of sincerity, from her desperation of wanting to get up so she could deliver her birthday present, to the way she settled into Ranka's lonely position of looking to the distance as Alto flew with Ranka, the way she gripped her bedsheets in frustration and anger at herself, my heart just broke for her.
However, it can't be helped, they've set this situation quite nicely for her character development to grow, as well as for the love triangle to develop fully. And wow, did the love triangle evolved to the next level. I don't know about you, guys, but for me, this is a make or break it point for Sheryl from this moment on. The Super Move unleashed by Ranka was indeed devastating. ;)
Let's hope with all this potential for character development, Sheryl will emerge out as a classic character to blow everyone's minds away.
Will things continue to pay homage to SDF-1 or will be given something completely new in the end?
Who knows, it may be new, it may not. But I've been noticing direct homages from Frontier to SDF-1 starting from the very beginning when Alto frantically tries to grab for Ranka the same way Hikaru tries to grab for Minmei when both girls slipped from the mecha's hands.
Let's hope with all this potential for character development, Sheryl will emerge out as a classic character to blow everyone's minds away.
Yup. Hear hear. Ranka grew quite a bit between episode 10 and 11 while Sheryl remained mostly static. So this puts her in a position she's unfamiliar with, and what better way to grow than to overcome adversity? This show is definitely doing a great job of promoting dramatic tension. :D No matter who ends up with Alto eventually, it looks like the ride there will be exciting and filled with heart aches.
My heart dropped for a sec, when I saw a sick Sheryl desperately clinging to Alto's arms saying "but your present, your present!!"
So sad, so sad.
- Tak
DragoonKain3
2008-06-26, 19:29
@Westlo and Herbert
Hmm, if a Ranka fan said 'I'm sick and tired of wasting my time in a discussion when I'll be proven right in the long run anyway,' wouldn't that mean since they WILL be 'proven right in the long run', they can't see and thus are blind to a Sheryl ending? Because really, that isn't different from the Ranka camp's assertion that the Sheryl ending in where 'there is no hope or there is little chance' of that happening. ;)
If people have total conviction that their camp will win, even from the few hints we have so far and so much time left remaining in the series, that's fine and dandy with me. But to tell the other camp that they can't see their ending when they pretty much do the same thing... double standards, much?
People also sometimes even say, 'Oh I can see that the opposite camp has a chance of happening', then completely dismiss any and all situations the opposite camp might propose... don't you think something is wrong with that? It particularly irked me when the SherylXGalaxy ending was dismissed as a scenario just because they feel that Sheryl is getting the shaft, when I can't think of any other scenario in which Sheryl gets it any better in the case she does lose.
Sounds to me that the only way for these Sheryl fans to not feel that she is shafted is if she wins the man (in fact, that IS basically what the 'save the universe' girl vs 'win the man' girl arguement says), and if they're going to dismiss every situation in which Sheryl loses just because they feel that she is 'shafted', then isn't that as good as someone who doesn't see a chance for the opposite camp to happen?
Of course I can be wrong. If some Sheryl fanatic (who thinks she will win) can come up with a probable scenario in which Sheryl loses the triangle and yet is not shafted, then I'm all ears. Hey, I'm unimaginative, so humour me.
The Ranka camp might want to try the same thing (think of an acceptable Sheryl ending in which Ranka is not shafted), but then again, who really cares what they think since they're already branded as 'blind', right? ;)
@swamp
Bravo! I agree on all points made. Most especially with the current topics on hand which hasn't been shown to have any impact on the romance.
You said you don't know how to win in this thread? Simple answer is that no one can ever truly 'win' in a speculation vs speculation battle, and is the reason why I really don't post in this thread since there really isn't any 'real' evidence right now that would indicate it will go one way or another at this stage of the game. But in no way do I go into these kind of threads expecting to change anyone's mind, because having been participating in shipping wars for the better part of the decade taught me, no one will win until the very end. I usually just go into these kind of threads as a sort of exercise on critical thinking skills, and this time is no different, when I see double standards and illogical arguements here and there.
The way I see it, in order to provide a case that a so-and-so ending will probably happen, one needs to provide evidence that girl-->boy and boy-->girl. And in a love triangle such as this, one also needs to provide evidence that the feelings of boy-->girlA is stronger than boy-->girlB.
But none of the topics on hand has anything to do with this, and people are expecting to make a reasonable arguement to the other side with this bunch of jargon? Let's take some examples...
Girl needing the guy more - so yeah, even considering you're right, all you just proved is that Girl-->Boy. Which is already a given on both Sheryl and Ranka camps at this stage of the game. Sheryl/Ranka 'needing' to win the guy more because they're lonely, will be shafted, etc. does NOT give any indication that Alto has a higher chance of choosing that girl. Unless of course you're trying to argue that Alto would be doing it out of pity, which I believe neither side is trying to, right?
Character development - uhh, yeah, so Boy is or isn't properly developed. Whatever the case is, what impact does this have on any Boy-->GirlA/B?
More focus on a certain girl - Well, this one has a bit of truth in it, as it is a fact that the lead protagonist more often than not ends up with the leading man/lady. But so far there is more or less equal time given to Sheryl and Ranka, so I can't see anything from this front yet. And even if one character ends up having significantly more screentime, there's still a good portion where the leads still don't end up together, thus making this arguement far from being a sure shot.
Sheryl not being 100% natural - as much as I hate it, being a robot (or even partly a robot) does not hamper a person's chances of winning in an anime. For all we know, Leon and Grace hooks up in the end as a result from working in tandem with each other... >_>
Parallels to past series - Just because Character A from Series X has similar traits to Alto and Character B from same Series X has similarities to Ranka/Sheryl, does not meant Alto will make the same decisions as Character A since their circumstances are different.
And so on and so forth. I mean, speculate as much as you guys would like, as that's a good exercise in creative thinking. Just remember though that you'll be convincing noone with such speculation, as I said before there will be no winner in a speculation war. And a lot of people here thinks otherwise.
@zalem
Maybe I should've explicitly stated that I was referring to Shirley fans who thinks she is going to win, since that was pretty much what I was going about with confidence and conviction and all. In any case, it doesn't seem to apply to you, as you honestly think Ranka is going to win.
DragoonKain3: A majority is on edge at the moment, hell, when was the last time we've seen such an elaborate love triangle? :heh:
Predictions are fun, heck, I find that I agree with almost all of Westlo's Predictions (though yeah, I keep it to myself lol). I agree that it's all speculations though. It's not about who's right or wrong, it's about how much one side can distraught the other in the long run. :heh:
Anyway on my take, I don't take this thread too seriously, and although I do wish everyone would just lighten up and have fun and all, shipping wars were, and always will be, a sensitive topic to most. I play nice... most of the time.
(Not like Code Geass, where after I made a call on a pairing, I'll be returning to the Romance thread in Episode 23 to outright gloat at a certain poster like I've never gloated before. :heh: )
*reads post about how you was talking about focus on development not development itself*
Before people take in what you quoted and make themselves believe I'm the bad guy here...This is what I really said.
Sheryl has more development than Alto? That's so funny. If you think this way then it's definitely not because she has had more screentime than Ranka and Alto for sure.
My point isn't about the fact that Alto is a completely developed character than Sheryl, my point is about Alto having more FOCUS than Sheryl.
Whenever the scene focuses on Alto's feelings regarding his own helplessness or problems, you can see there's emphasis--BGM plays, close-up, flashbacks, inner thoughts, etc. This is part of his character development. For a plane to fly in the sky, it needs a ground. Both sky, the plane and the ground make up the process of flight. They're all part of it.
I mean what I mean when I said there's a lot of focus on Alto's character development than Sheryl's, but I never once said Alto is already a developed character. That's just you making stuff up. :)
Le sigh...
Your precious episode 13 is the beginning and the end for Ranka, I hope you can keep your fangirl delusions under control to notice everything else that happens.
Who said this? ^_^ Episode 13 is the end for Ranka with Alto? Why? Because you believe that once Sheryl realizes her feelings for Alto, it's going to be over for Ranka. Unless this isn't what you mean, you ARE rendering Ranka's feelings on Ignore here. Not only Ranka, but you are also going to ignore Alto's.
Don't expect that Ranka will suddenly be the 'villain' holding Alto captive once Sheryl's drama kicks in. The story didn't put Ranka in the underdog role for almost like half of the series so that she would become the villain. (For one, I'm more worried about Sheryl's character being bastardized here for some character development.)
The story has been fairly Ranka-centric so far and there are no basis whatsoever that she would be put in the back burner so"That Sheryl Show" can happen.:rolleyes: There's going to be consistency here, not another mismatched Kawamori history.
We will get good drama.
How do you get 1+1 = 3? Also when have I ever said that Ranka will fall out of love with Alto?
If I can't add 1+1, what does that make you? Dissociative amnesia, much?
"Look at how Noe was at the start of the series, look how she overcome her “crutches” at the end without hooking up with Shin, expect the same ending for Ranka."
From the way TT ended, Noe was set to fall out of love with Shin sooner or later, thus overcoming her crutches. You're saying Ranka's feelings for Alto is a "crutch" when Alto makes her capable of doing things beyond her known limits?
You're clearly ignoring the story if you think Ranka is destined to realize that she doesn't need Alto in her life.
But than again you're the person who thought Bobby was serious with the pregnancy joke
I don't want to hear this from someone who really believed Alto salvaged some radioactive earring from outer space.:uhoh:
The Ranka camp might want to try the same thing (think of an acceptable Sheryl ending in which Ranka is not shafted), but then again, who really cares what they think since they're already branded as 'blind', right?
Actually, I didn't have to think of a good loser ending for Ranka because these guys already made one for me:heh: And yes, apparently, Ranka fans are also blind for not being able to see a Sheryl ending based on Kawamori history. Shame on us.
It particularly irked me when the SherylXGalaxy ending was dismissed as a scenario just because they feel that Sheryl is getting the shaft, when I can't think of any other scenario in which Sheryl gets it any better in the case she does lose.
I think you're the only SherylxAlto fan who managed to see some rationality behind the SherylxGalaxy scenario. I applaud you. Thanks.:)
and were off to the races...
justinstrife
2008-06-26, 23:00
Lots of crying in this thread. I love it. :D
Lots of crying in this thread. I love it. :D
Don't worry, my tears will dry up when Sheryl KOs Ranka with her Super Move.
justinstrife
2008-06-26, 23:10
Don't worry, my tears will dry up when Sheryl KOs Ranka with her Super Move.
Love the tags at the bottom of this thread by the way. Epic win. :)
TwilightHack
2008-06-26, 23:57
Love the tags at the bottom of this thread by the way. Epic win. :)
Makes me wonder where people come up with the stuff, its awesome.
Here's to wishing Klan Klan's Miclone form wasn't a loli.
Wesley84
2008-06-27, 00:06
Here's to wishing Klan Klan's Miclone form wasn't a loli.
Could have been worse. Could have been a trap. :twitch:
@Westlo and Herbert
Hmm, if a Ranka fan said 'I'm sick and tired of wasting my time in a discussion when I'll be proven right in the long run anyway,' wouldn't that mean since they WILL be 'proven right in the long run', they can't see and thus are blind to a Sheryl ending? Because really, that isn't different from the Ranka camp's assertion that the Sheryl ending in where 'there is no hope or there is little chance' of that happening. ;)
If people have total conviction that their camp will win, even from the few hints we have so far and so much time left remaining in the series, that's fine and dandy with me. But to tell the other camp that they can't see their ending when they pretty much do the same thing... double standards, much?
People also sometimes even say, 'Oh I can see that the opposite camp has a chance of happening', then completely dismiss any and all situations the opposite camp might propose... don't you think something is wrong with that?Name one or two Sheryl fans, who has posted more than 10 posts in this thread, have said anything hinting Ranka ending is never gonna to happen. The worst Sheryl fans have done is just yelling 'SherylXAlto ftw, and Ranka die," but we all know it's baseless wishful thinking, not worthy to take those comments seriously. On the other hand, ani_d have written many posts to educate us how Sheryl is just a spice added into Ranka's love story and no otherwise possibility.
Have you read how many times bitch comments are made on Sheryl from Ranka fans and how many times are made another way around? I have said before, Ranka is an open book, you can read into without much effort; Sheryl is a more complex character, you think a lot to understand her, but, well, you know, she is unworthy for the precious time and effort of some Ranka fans.
If you want an example on how sensitive Ranka fans can be if a bad comment made on their dear Ranka, go to see how they reacted when I accused Ranka for dishonestness in ep 6.
It particularly irked me when the SherylXGalaxy ending was dismissed as a scenario just because they feel that Sheryl is getting the shaft, when I can't think of any other scenario in which Sheryl gets it any better in the case she does lose.Well-said. You compare a bad ending with a bunch of worse endings, decide the bad ending is better than any of those worse endings so bad ending is indeed a good one. Conglatuation! You got me in that. But I still don't understand why we need agree with it.
Sounds to me that the only way for these Sheryl fans to not feel that she is shafted is if she wins the man (in fact, that IS basically what the 'save the universe' girl vs 'win the man' girl arguement says), and if they're going to dismiss every situation in which Sheryl loses just because they feel that she is 'shafted', then isn't that as good as someone who doesn't see a chance for the opposite camp to happen?Sheryl fans are looking for hints and signs of Sheryl winning because they want the best for her; Ranka fans are educating us about how to understand the reality because they think Ranka has already won.
Can you distinguish disliking from denial?
justinstrife
2008-06-27, 01:09
Makes me wonder where people come up with the stuff, its awesome.
Here's to wishing Klan Klan's Miclone form wasn't a loli.
If only it wasnt -drools-
Pan chan
2008-06-27, 01:27
Sheryl fans are looking for hints and signs of Sheryl winning because they want the best for her; Ranka fans are educating us about how to understand the reality because they think Ranka has already won.
Can you distinguish disliking from denial?
I really hope you're just talking about some Ranka fans here, I mean come on, they're always bad shippers from both side. If not, then your custom user title suits you perfectly :heh:.
My bad. Sorry, because I have read about the some Ranka fans too often recently, I almost forgot there are much more Ranka fans other than the some out there.
Swampstorm
2008-06-27, 02:05
There's something really refreshing about them, starting from their tsundere banters to the way they just bring out specks of character traits from each other when they're together. I haven't seen a lot of relationships in other anime like this before, which is why I'm giving them my full support.
(By the way, Swampstorm I think you're the perfect person to do a ship manifesto on them. :D)Tsundere x tsundere pairings are always excellent to watch. I'm still hoping that the one I'm following over with SR comes to fruition. It's only been, what, five years? :heh:
It's difficult to write something from scratch, since I'm not sure where to begin. It doesn't help that my heart's aching right now, either. Damn, it took a while for that to really kick in. :upset:
Hopefully something will come out of these discussions, though.
Yup. Hear hear. Ranka grew quite a bit between episode 10 and 11 while Sheryl remained mostly static. So this puts her in a position she's unfamiliar with, and what better way to grow than to overcome adversity?Actually, there were some dramatic changes in Sheryl's character across episode ten and eleven.
One of the most noticible changes that we saw was the change in Sheryl's attitude towards school. In episodes nine and ten, Sheryl's school life seemed to be secondary to her career. Although she discovered a love for flying with Alto in episode eight, she quickly worked that interest back into her work. It's just like when she started writing lyrics during her date with Alto: she never stops being 'on the job'.
In episode eleven, however, we see that drive that Sheryl normally reserves for her career redirected towards mastering her courses. Suddenly she's spending much more time at school, and she's even pushing herself to the point that she gets sick. This last point is especially curious, since she even points out that the fundamental rule to being an idol is to take care of your health. There's a clear shift in her priorities.
A lot of the changes that we see don't have to do with a specific "weakness" per se, but her character is far from static.
It particularly irked me when the SherylXGalaxy ending was dismissed as a scenario just because they feel that Sheryl is getting the shaft, when I can't think of any other scenario in which Sheryl gets it any better in the case she does lose.
Oh, there's a definite problem with this particular argument, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Alto. But I suppose that at least one of us has to stop facepalming for long enough to explain it. :heh:
We all know that Galaxy is important to Sheryl. But there's much more to it than just that.
Sheryl hated growing up on Galaxy because she was alone. The reason why it is actually important to her is because it is one of the only ties that she has to her roots. It's the same reason why Sheryl's earrings are so important to her; to Sheryl, they represent a mother whose face she can't even remember. So her desire here is not just to retain these symbols, but rather to find the things that they represent: family, friendship, and love.
As of right now, Sheryl is far from achieving any of these things. Grace seems to show some concern for Sheryl, but she also seems to have her own agenda. Alto and Ranka have a lot of common friends at school, and in many ways Sheryl is treated as an outsider to their group. Both Nanase and Michael seem to be pushing hard to try to get Alto and Ranka together (especially over the past two episodes), so Sheryl can't really count on them to look out for her interests as well. Also, if you look at the way in which Sheryl has to overhear about Alto's birthday in order to find out about it, it's clear that while Sheryl's presence is accepted, she isn't really included as part their little group.
Both the 'Galaxy' approach and the 'But she has her fans!' approach both fall short because they are insensitive to Sheryl's needs. That's why I summed them up with the phrase "Let them eat cake."
Now, a more considerate approach would be to suggest an ending in which Sheryl finds her missing parents, or develops some close friendships, or something else along those lines. But nobody seems to really discussed those options.
Hopefully that should clear things up.
ani_d I really don't have the time but when I say "How did you get 1+1 = 3" I'm implying you're looking at two obvious things and getting the wrong answer. C'mon ani_d lets look at the line you thought I meant to type... "How did you get 1+ 1 = 2?" Makes sense doesn't it!? Also I disagree about the loser of True Tears falling out of love with the main (I don't know how you came to that conclusion) so please find another statement where I said that Ranka will fall out of love with Alto.
I don't want to hear this from someone who really believed Alto salvaged some radioactive earring from outer space
Oh please, I played that issue down the middle due to inconclusive evidence for both ways that could've went and I actually wanted the earring gone because it was nothing but a relationship crutch, it served it's purpose in forging a bond that will serve the pairing well in later stages. I can't wait for the next Garby joke that ani_d takes at face value!
Btw ani_d.. do you disagree that episode 12 positioned Sheryl as the underdog because I remember a certain someone being so adamant that they could never see Sheryl in the underdog position... if you still consider Ranka the underdog or even on level ground after 12 and knowing what will happen in 13 and 15... well lol.
@Westlo and Herbert
Hmm, if a Ranka fan said 'I'm sick and tired of wasting my time in a discussion when I'll be proven right in the long run anyway,' wouldn't that mean since they WILL be 'proven right in the long run', they can't see and thus are blind to a Sheryl ending? Because really, that isn't different from the Ranka camp's assertion that the Sheryl ending in where 'there is no hope or there is little chance' of that happening.
Why are you looking at an arrogant/confident statement of mine when in my actual arguments I've been open to a Ranka ending while ani_d hasn't for Sheryl? It's a confidence thing, you're got to look past my swagger and see the actual argument ;) I actually expected that quote to be used so, try again... also Westlo =! Sheryl Camp.
60/40 Sheryl, 70/30 after episode 12.
Just remember though that you'll be convincing noone with such speculation, as I said before there will be no winner in a speculation war
I beg to differ, I nailed True Tears ending (though I expected it to be on the night of the festival I must admit) even to the point of selecting the right part of the ost track to play at the hook up moment (the first time I heard the track the day it got ripped after episode 7 or 8). Also it's fun so who gives a fuck anyway and I've clearly convinced more than a handful of people over the course of my predictions for True Tears, Kimikiss, Vampire Knight and this show over the 4 forums I post on. (ANN, AOD & MAL)
(Not like Code Geass, where after I made a call on a pairing, I'll be returning to the Romance thread in Episode 23 to outright gloat at a certain poster like I've never gloated before.
You tipped Kallen (?) and you're going to shove in Dann's face? A Kallen finish would be hilarious... I could see the entire ep 25 thread being filled with lol @ dann comments. I don't wanna touch Geass romance predictions with a 2 foot stick, the way they treated Kallen in the second half of the first season as well as C.C in R2 just makes me wary. Also I'm far from convinced that it will end with R2.
TwilightHack
2008-06-27, 03:02
^ I have to agree with you, well put down thoughts.
It's been fairly obvious from Ep 5 that everyone close to Alto and Ranka have been pushing for them to be together... all starting with Michael's little inquiry in Ep 6. In guess in this sense, Sheryl is definitely considered an outsider and clearly an underdog in this triangle.
I mean take a look at Ep 11, Nanase was the catalyst for Ranka to call Alto...and in Ep 12 we have Michael basically forcing Alto to think of Ranka in a different light.
In the end Sheryl has no one backing her while Alto and Ranka have been "set-up" so to say by friends.
I guess for me, its all the more reason in my head that IF or WHEN Sheryl and Alto do come to their senses, it'll be that much more rewarding to all AltoxSheryl fans no matter what the outcome.
I've always love naturally developed romances.
I'm somewhat un-bias as of the moment, but I'm leaning towards AltoxSheryl.
posted in 12 EP thread
Thing is, if Macross F is going to be following in the footsteps of SDF-Macross then
the girl who steals the most number of kisses from the lead will come out ahead :heh:
Thus far is Sheryl 1: Ranka 1 :rolleyes: They are neck and neck people
what i can say is IF romance will follow the DYRL macross movie then a Ranka&Alta ending/pairing chances just rises exponential, because 2 people stranding alone ... well we know the ending then... i hope the storywriter wont do it like the movie when Hikaru+Misa meets Minmay again, this was one of the most heart rending Triangle scenes ever besides KOR movie i ever watched, it would be a letdown if things happened same as in movie, i want more "twists/surprises"...
well for now Ranka has the chance to be in the "lead" and Sheryl first time being knockout.
God i really dunno whom to root for of the 2 girls... personaly i like Sheryl more but that is a opinion of "I LIKE" her more then Ranka but doesnt reflect who is more suitable for Alto or which pairing is better... i could live with either but surely i will cry the the loser side ...
posted in 12 EP thread
what i can say is IF romance will follow the DYRL macross movie then a Ranka&Alta ending/pairing chances just rises exponential, because 2 people stranding alone ... well we know the ending then...
Hikaru has been 'stranded' with Misa as well as Minmay, he actually stranded with Minmay first.......
Hikaru has been 'stranded' with Misa as well as Minmay, he actually stranded with Minmay first.......
nah i counted the "first stranding" already when Alto&Sheryl&Ranka were trapped together if we compare Hikaru+ Minmay first encounter in DYRL.
nah i counted the "first stranding" already when Alto&Sheryl&Ranka were trapped together if we compare Hikaru+ Minmay first encounter in DYRL.
Bit of an 'unfair' encouter don't you think. since both parties where present during their lockdown. :)
then it wouldn't be too far stretched to speculate that there will be another stranding with Alto&Sheryl alone so both would have equal chances?
That could be possible :) i have no clue. I'm not on any side in this triangle, I'm more into the HMS MikhailXKlein ^^; or just Klein for that matter :P
then it wouldn't be too far stretched to speculate that there will be another stranding with Alto&Sheryl alone so both would have equal chances?
I would be shocked if we don't have at least a couple Sheryl centric episode in the near future. This is the first anime in a while where I am now almost at parity about the two female leads. So I'm pretty confident that the show will continue to keep things exciting in the triangle.
Geez, I really can't cheer for either of the girls... episode 11 I felt so bad for Ranka when Alto went with Sheryl, and episode 12, I feel so bad for Sheryl when Alto went with Ranka.... honestly I hope Alto ends with Sheryl, but Ranka's awesome also >_<
^ They want people to have that reaction, like I said before Sheryl will play the underdog role and the triangle here will be more like DYRL than the original Macross in regards to the two female leads. There should be no Minmei reaction to the loser here except for some overzealous fans of whatever faction loses.
Kirarakim
2008-06-27, 09:03
^ They want people to have that reaction, like I said before Sheryl will play the underdog role and the triangle here will be more like DYRL than the original Macross in regards to the two female leads. There should be no Minmei reaction to the loser here except for some overzealous fans of whatever faction loses.
Well Sheryl wasn't playing the underdog role until this episode it's been going back and forth.
That could be possible i have no clue. I'm not on any side in this triangle, I'm more into the HMS MikhailXKlein ^^; or just Klein for that matter :P
Me too, I love the two of them. :)
Well Sheryl wasn't playing the underdog role until this episode it's been going back and forth.
I know that but from this point on she's definitely casted in it and I don't see anything that would change that status from the stuff in the spoilers thread. Seriously this episode will be nothing compared to some later stuff, I mean over the space of 2 episodes she could find out Alto and Ranka are going out and that Grace used her and her real past is.. well just an example... clone? This is speculation btw no spoilers...
nanatsusaya
2008-06-27, 11:15
I know that but from this point on she's definitely casted in it and I don't see anything that would change that status from the stuff in the spoilers thread. Seriously this episode will be nothing compared to some later stuff, I mean over the space of 2 episodes she could find out Alto and Ranka are going out and that Grace used her and her real past is.. well just an example... clone? This is speculation btw no spoilers...
too tragic :(:(:(:( poor, poor Sheryl.
Mikhail asked Alto to consider Ranka's feeling, but who would ever bother to consider our Galactic Fairy's feeling? :(
I mean, Alto was the one she opened up to, but he left her all alone and hurt even after having seen how much she cared for his birthday present just to fly Ranka back to Frontier, which was a job Mikhail could do easily. And no goodbye word at all :uhoh:
If you mean underdog position, it maybe; if you mean underdog attitude, I believe it won't be. No one can beat Ranka for being trapped in self-pity and begging for sympathy from audience. Sheryl better just does what she is used to do: doing her best. I don't think I can bear a Sheryl is as emotional as Ranka.
Terrestrial Dream
2008-06-27, 16:11
too tragic :(:(:(:( poor, poor Sheryl.
Mikhail asked Alto to consider Ranka's feeling, but who would ever bother to consider our Galactic Fairy's feeling? :(
I mean, Alto was the one she opened up to, but he left her all alone and hurt even after having seen how much she cared for his birthday present just to fly Ranka back to Frontier, which was a job Mikhail could do easily. And no goodbye word at all :uhoh: Well it wasn't exactly like Sheryl was open about her feeling unlike Ranka. Though I am sure Sheryl will counter back with something, I just love this love triangle :D.
When I watched that episode, I was thinking, ya know, this is far more than what Ranka had to go through in the first 11 episodes. Ranka just singlehandedly dealt far more damage in one single episode than Sheryl's jabs in the previous 11.
I see a Sheryl in pain, agony, helpless, and worst of all, lonely. No guys, she ain't waiting just to charge up for a super move. Nah. She is charging up for a friggin fatality/超必殺技! By the end of the show, Ranka would be LUCKY to still keep her job.
- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag 6/29/2008!)
Not to suggest that Alto is some sort of man-prize to be won, but seriously....
I'd wish they'd hurry up and have either Sheryl or Ranka come forward as the front runner and eventual "winner" in this love triangle. Otherwise, a lot of people are going to be hurt, and it'd be really annoying to have former fans bashing Macross-F simply because Alto-hime didn't end up with who they wanted.
Also, to claim that either one of the girls deserves to be with Alto because she needs him more, is laughable. Just because Sheryl seems to be a bit of a loner, with her family seemingly 'non-existent', while Ranka still relies on Alto as her rock when she should really be drawing on confidence in her own talent, does not mean that Alto should be with the "needier," more pitiable girl in the end.
In my opinion, neither Sheryl or Ranka has a particularly "deep" connection with Alto. He's a tough nut to crack, and has yet to open up and reveal just what motivates him and makes him tick. There's the chance that he may be extremely attracted to Sheryl, but still has an undeniable urge to protect and comfort Ranka. The whole "natural romance" some people are claiming he has with Sheryl, also seems to be lacking in "depth," as their encounters have been marked by events such as her accidentally exposing her boobs to him, kissing him twice and casually playing it off, and for lack of better phrasing, inadvertently forcing him to make the obvious choice between letting her fall and plummet to her death, or saving her and holding her panty-less form in his arms.
On a final note (although I could ramble on more), it's terribly unfair, to both Sheryl and Ranka, to generally characterize one as stoic, unemotional, and simply career driven, and the other as naive, childish, and a sympathy whore. These girls are polar opposites, not counting the common thread of music, and although Sheryl is older and more experienced, both she and Ranka are talented and deserve to be acknowledged in their own rights, for their own merits.
In the end, the argument is fairly simple. Alto is just damned lucky to be able to end up with either one of these equally great girls. :D
When I watched that episode, I was thinking, ya know, this is far more than what Ranka had to go through in the first 11 episodes. Ranka just singlehandedly dealt far more damage in one single episode than Sheryl's jabs in the previous 11.
I see a Sheryl in pain, agony, helpless, and worst of all, lonely. No guys, she ain't waiting just to charge up for a super move. Nah. She is charging up for a friggin fatality/超必殺技! By the end of the show, Ranka would be LUCKY to still keep her job.
- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag 6/29/2008!)
Sheryl is going to pull a Daigo on Ranka near the end of the series and it will be glorious and this forum will explode like they did at Evo2k4 :)
Alto won of course. ;)
I thought the little green thing won.
too tragic :(:(:(:( poor, poor Sheryl.
Mikhail asked Alto to consider Ranka's feeling, but who would ever bother to consider our Galactic Fairy's feeling? :(
I mean, Alto was the one she opened up to, but he left her all alone and hurt even after having seen how much she cared for his birthday present just to fly Ranka back to Frontier, which was a job Mikhail could do easily.
Unfortunately Mikhail is his superior officer and basically ordered him to do it. I suspect there was a good bye or how would Sheryl know to watch them leave. Ranka would, I'd have thought, want to see how Sheryl was as well.
Then the force of the plot having been denied its usual VF per battle sacrifice, wrecks Alto's VF.
Also, to claim that either one of the girls deserves to be with Alto because she needs him more, is laughable.
Better to think, which would be better for him. One seems to be more willing to see a relationship between them in terms of what they both get out of it than the other. One of them is better at getting him to drop that sullen front he puts on as well.
I'm still trying to work out why Mikhail pushes Ranka x Alto. As a proxy for him and Klien or just because it makes Alto squirm?
I'm still trying to work out why Mikhail pushes Ranka x Alto. As a proxy for him and Klien or just because it makes Alto squirm?
Because, if he lets Ranka's heart be broken under his watch, his boss will murder him. :heh:
Also he might think Sheryl x Alto would never work out, assuming she has to return to Galaxy and her star lifestyle at some point.
Swampstorm
2008-06-27, 22:09
There's even a simpler approach than that: Ranka's a long time friend. No matter how fun you are to be with, if you're a newcomer to a group of already established friends, it can take a fair amount of time for you to get included; and even then, you'll probably never get all of the in-jokes. That's why it would be ideal for Sheryl to find some of her own friends from scratch, if possible.
Besides, Sheryl was always "the other girl" from the start, as far as Nanase and the others were concerned. So it's obvious why they would push for Ranka at the expense of Sheryl; friends take care of their own. But perhaps Sheryl may be able to win them over yet, if they see how devoted she really is to Alto. We'll see.
2008-06-27
Title: Me, that girl, and him...
Crash...
The only pair of sunglasses that I've been wearing lately was broken.
It broke right at the part when it rests on my nose so it pricks me.
Really, I was rather fond of it.
I don't wear light sunglasses very often.
I always wear dark sunglasses.
This is a rare color for me.
My eyes are sensitive.
I can't spend too much time in bright light or my eyes will become fatigued.
That's why I wear special contacts when I'm doing a concert.
Of course, Galaxy sells them, but they seem to be rare on Frontier so I'm having a hard time finding them.
But without them it is inconvenient since I can't just wear sunglasses all the time.
Still, sunglasses are a must for when I'm with people I don't want to make eye contact with.
When I meet with people I don't like my dislike shows on my face so I'm asked to bear with it. By my staff.
It's really weird.
After all, there's a reason for disliking the people I dislike.
What's the big deal if they find out that I don't like them.
If a job doesn't go well or if the atmosphere becomes bad simply because of this, I'd decline to do it. It wouldn't have turned out well anyway.
If you're a pro, you would want to place importance on the talent, not the person anyway.
That's right, the pair of sunglasses that I liked before this pair had a dark red frame.
It is the commemorative sunglasses for when I met that girl and him so it is decorating my bathroom now.
Today was boring so I thought I would end it by writing a little and I'm reliving a little bit of the excitement from that day.
Sheryl
April 25, 2059
Swampstorm
2008-06-27, 22:40
I'm guessing that those are the ones from Star Date. It's too bad... I liked those sunglasses the best. :(
I'm guessing that those are the ones from Star Date. It's too bad... I liked those sunglasses the best. :(
Farther back... I think she's talking about the sunglasses from episode 3.
Regardless, it's kind of esoteric, but a very sweet blog.
Thanks ickem.
Swampstorm
2008-06-27, 23:34
Farther back... I think she's talking about the sunglasses from episode 3.
Regardless, it's kind of esoteric, but a very sweet blog.The dark sunglasses that are decorating her bathroom (ie. the ones that she liked before the pair that she broke) are from episode two/three. The light tinted pair that she just broke is most likely from episode five, especially if it's the only one that she has that matches the description. It also explains why she's back to wearing dark glasses in episode ten.
I suppose I wasn't entirely clear, but I was lamenting the loss of the pair that was broken. :heh:
I like the emphasis that she places on being direct in this entry, though. It's consistant with what we've seen earlier: tact is definitely not one of her strengths. :p
Ranka's 6/27/08 Entry:
"Can't Sleep..."
How is one able to feel happy on a day when sad things have happened, I wonder?
Even if I try really hard, do I have to give up on the unreachable?
The tiny me inside my chest is always crying.
As if everytime I breathe, small needles are passing through the insides of my throat.
Pricking me.
Even though I can't sleep at all, I can't sing a lullaby either.
Ranka
7/27/2059
Oooh Ranka's blog seems to be getting a bit deeper... thanks for the translation.
Eidolon Sniper
2008-06-28, 03:20
There's even a simpler approach than that: Ranka's a long time friend. No matter how fun you are to be with, if you're a newcomer to a group of already established friends, it can take a fair amount of time for you to get included; and even then, you'll probably never get all of the in-jokes. That's why it would be ideal for Sheryl to find some of her own friends from scratch, if possible.
Besides, Sheryl was always "the other girl" from the start, as far as Nanase and the others were concerned. So it's obvious why they would push for Ranka at the expense of Sheryl; friends take care of their own. But perhaps Sheryl may be able to win them over yet, if they see how devoted she really is to Alto. We'll see.
QFT.
But if it was to be to the effect that Ranka is INDEED a longtime friend to Nanase, then why didn't she know about Alto beforehand? @.@;; Given that Nanase, Mikhail and Luca have all the good inside stuff on Alto, they would've probably spoonfed Ranka with all kinds of information like what Alto likes and all that in the first eps of the series already, if Ranka was showing an interest in Alto. Plothole? :heh: but probably it's because Ranka is too timid to ask anything about Alto, or know that she indeed likes him more than just a crush. :heh:
Sheryl also has other things going against her too - she needs to change her approach to Alto. Her actions always had warranted a sort of "LOOK AT ME WHEN I'M WITH YOU ALTO" effect on me, and it seems that while she could actually provide a lot of things for Alto, she still can't decide on what kind of treatment she must do for Alto. Unless she separates her "work" from what she wants out of the relationship she has for Alto, all her plans to do so far would only bring her ruin. Also, she needs to show Alto's friends that she's not a spoiled little star idol singer that they make her out to be, aside from showing them that she is devoted to Alto. They could easily dismiss her devotion as some sort of act to get them rooting for her or something.
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 03:55
QFT.
But if it was to be to the effect that Ranka is INDEED a longtime friend to Nanase, then why didn't she know about Alto beforehand? @.@;; Given that Nanase, Mikhail and Luca have all the good inside stuff on Alto, they would've probably spoonfed Ranka with all kinds of information like what Alto likes and all that in the first eps of the series already, if Ranka was showing an interest in Alto. Plothole? :heh: but probably it's because Ranka is too timid to ask anything about Alto, or know that she indeed likes him more than just a crush. :heh:
Nanase knew Ranka from working at the Nyan-Nyan and Alto from school/class. I don't think she was friends with the latter though.
Eidolon Sniper
2008-06-28, 04:08
Nanase is friends with Luca and Michel as well? @.@;;
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 04:12
Nanase is friends with Luca and Michel as well? @.@;;
Well they go to the same school. I don't know, I don't really see why she'd be friends with Alto, Michael, or Luca without Ranka being in the mix. They probably weren't really aquianted until Ranka joined their school, and from there they just seem to hang out all the time and talk about Ranka...?
Eidolon Sniper
2008-06-28, 04:18
Luca and Michel already KNOW Ranka cause she's Ozma's not so little sister. Nanase is Ranka's friend, and knows Alto, like Luca and Michel. Ranka didn't know Alto was to be joining the SMS until she found about it accidentally, as well as accidentally finding out that her own brother is piloting again despite the promise from him that he won't do anything dangerous. So it would only make sense that when they find out about Alto saving Ranka, and detects that Ranka likes him a bit, they should've said something to Ranka in the first eps already.
TwilightHack
2008-06-28, 04:20
QFT.
You should be careful how you use that... it has several different literal meanings.
But if it was to be to the effect that Ranka is INDEED a longtime friend to Nanase, then why didn't she know about Alto beforehand? @.@;; Given that Nanase, Mikhail and Luca have all the good inside stuff on Alto, they would've probably spoonfed Ranka with all kinds of information like what Alto likes and all that in the first eps of the series already, if Ranka was showing an interest in Alto. Plothole? :heh: but probably it's because Ranka is too timid to ask anything about Alto, or know that she indeed likes him more than just a crush. :heh:
Ranka didn't meet Alto until Ep1 just before the concert. From what we've seen Ranka works with Nanase (Nyan Nyan, assumption from Ep10) and knows both Luca and Michael through Ozma from SMS (since Nyan Nyan seems to be SMS's favorite outing, see Ep4).
As to your question about why Ranka didn't know about Alto beforehand... well I have to assume that none of her friends bothered to talk to her about some random guy (Alto) she didn't know. I think it'd be pretty awkward.
In any case, you bring up a good point about Ranka being timid. She's not open about her feelings about Alto to everyone so there's no reason for anyone to spoon-feed her information. I mean take into account Ep11 when saw how difficult it was for Nanase to talk to Ranka about the Alto Sheryl thing. It leads me to believe that they realize her feelings but feel unable to help unless she acts upon them herself.
Love and feelings are not something you can force, people have to come to terms these things themselves.
Still... despite her friends not giving her all the little information and tidbits, they're trying to help in their own ways. Michael has his fair share of moments making suggestions at Alto and Ranka... while Nanase almost always tries to have Ranka comes to terms with her feelings. Michael and Nanase are the CLEAR catalysts pushing Alto and Ranka together. Luca is merely a spectator but would most likely side with Ranka.
Sheryl also has other things going against her too - she needs to change her approach to Alto. Her actions always had warranted a sort of "LOOK AT ME WHEN I'M WITH YOU ALTO" effect on me, and it seems that while she could actually provide a lot of things for Alto, she still can't decide on what kind of treatment she must do for Alto. Unless she separates her "work" from what she wants out of the relationship she has for Alto, all her plans to do so far would only bring her ruin. Also, she needs to show Alto's friends that she's not a spoiled little star idol singer that they make her out to be, aside from showing them that she is devoted to Alto. They could easily dismiss her devotion as some sort of act to get them rooting for her or something.
In my opinion that's the whole reason why Ep12 was structured the way it was. Take a peg or two off Sheryl's confidence and foundation... her character development from now on will greatly affect the outcome of how her situation turns out.
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After re-watching DYRL and SDMF I've come to the conclusion that using past works to assume things are moot. Both Sheryl and Ranka are completely unique characters even if they draw similarities off their supposed counterparts.
While MF pays homage to SDMF, its truly its own series.
Eidolon Sniper
2008-06-28, 04:28
Sorry about that then...@.@;; QFT in this case means quoted for truth.
I was meaning that since meting Alto in episode 1, and well, she can't actually talk something like that to Ozma, we saw how he took the Miss Macross pageant and the movie. :heh: But Luca was perceptive enough to try pushing Ranka and Alto together in episode 4 when he left them alone for a while to speak together. Or maybe he was teasing Alto and Ranka. Add Michel to that equation, but I guess he didn't push Ranka that intentionally like that for her to fall flat on Alto. :heh: If by ep 4 there were already hints or jokes at Ranka and Alto, they should've probably tried saying something about Alto in an off-handed way or something.
I just wish Sheryl gets decent character development, it would only do her character an injustice if she was just quickly dismissed like that. Saying this as a Ranka fan.
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 04:34
Luca and Michel already KNOW Ranka cause she's Ozma's not so little sister. Nanase is Ranka's friend, and knows Alto, like Luca and Michel. Ranka didn't know Alto was to be joining the SMS until she found about it accidentally, as well as accidentally finding out that her own brother is piloting again despite the promise from him that he won't do anything dangerous. So it would only make sense that when they find out about Alto saving Ranka, and detects that Ranka likes him a bit, they should've said something to Ranka in the first eps already.
Except I don't really see Ozma hanging out with either of those two, least of all at the Nyan-Nyan. I mean, even if it's somewhat traditional for pilots to frequent the restaurant, Ranka would likely have only been familiar to Luca and Michael as a waitress and co-worker of Nanase, a classmate and Luca's crush.
What's odd is that Alto didn't even know the two of them were even vaguely asociated with the SMS, though he was also surprised the VF-25 was being used for combat.
Was their working there really a secret or did Alto just not bother to learn anything about his "friends"?
well how Alto, Ranka, Nanase, Luca and Micheal know each is not really a "romance" thread but whatever i will throw in my opinion too.
Clear is Nanase know Ranka through their work place Nyan Nyan, also she know Alto&Micheal&Luca through school. Ranka first meeting Alto was EP1, so she didnt know him before, but Ranka should know Luca and Micheal due to they work for SMS and are the inferiors of her brother.
Lastly Alto who is/was pretty much the "outsider/outcast" because of his family background and his character i dont think he is the type to socialize much with his school mates, also Luca and Micheal has to keep their work for SMS a secret and so Alto wouldnt have been introduce to their friends circle in Nyan Nyan or SMS.
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 05:16
well how Alto, Ranka, Nanase, Luca and Micheal know each is not really a "romance" thread but whatever i will throw in my opinion too.
Clear is Nanase know Ranka through their work place Nyan Nyan, also she know Alto&Micheal&Luca through school. Ranka first meeting Alto was EP1, so she didnt know him before, but Ranka should know Luca and Micheal due to they work for SMS and are the inferiors of her brother.
Lastly Alto who is/was pretty much the "outsider/outcast" because of his family background and his character i dont think he is the type to socialize much with his school mates, also Luca and Micheal has to keep their work for SMS a secret and so Alto wouldnt have been introduce to their friends circle in Nyan Nyan or SMS.
The only way I think Luca and Michael would know Ranka's connection to Ozma is if he told them about her and he would only do that if he had a reason. Really, I don't think he's that close to them, and rather he hanged out with the older crowd at the SMS, like Bobby, Caraina, the guy that died...
Come to think of it, the main reason Michael went after Ranka was because Ozma was on Ranka's shitlist at the time, and couldn't really do it himself.
TwilightHack
2008-06-28, 05:40
The only way I think Luca and Michael would know Ranka's connection to Ozma is if he told them about her and he would only do that if he had a reason. Really, I don't think he's that close to them, and rather he hanged out with the older crowd at the SMS, like Bobby, Caraina, the guy that died...
Well Ranka is always mentioning her "Nii-san" so it had to have slipped sometime.
Come to think of it, the main reason Michael went after Ranka was because Ozma was on Ranka's shitlist at the time, and couldn't really do it himself.
Point exactly, Michael and Luca aren't close to Ranka... which is why Michael is the one basically forcing Ranka on Alto (Ep12) and Ranka relies on Nanase, her close friend.
@the guy who said how they know each other isn't important, it is, sorta.
It establishes a base as to why Ranka has the clear advantage when it comes to friends. It also shows how Sheryl is pretty much in this alone as an outsider.
After all, all romances need a foundation. So happens for Ranka, her foundation seems to be friends.
I wish everyone would stop making it look like Michel pushed Alto to Ranka. Because he didn't. I know that Alto abandoning Sheryl doesn't look too nice, but Alto made his choice with a little reminder/nudge from Michel. All this scene did was to set up love-love time between Alto and Ranka, as well as a reminder that Ranka has friends to look out for her. It WILL balance it out, so relax.
The one thing that strikes me the most in the preview is actually the lone shot of Nanase with her picnic basket.
Considering the oath of friendship she swore with Ranka in this episode, let's hope it doesn't come back to haunt her in the long run. Because that would suck.
Badly.
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 05:49
The one thing that strikes me the most in the preview is actually the lone shot of Nanase with her picnic basket.
Considering the oath of friendship she swore with Ranka in this episode, let's hope it doesn't come back to haunt her in the long run. Because that would suck.
Badly.
I'll be happy so long as the little guy doesn't eat her.
That little guy is everywhere. :|
EDIT: You tipped Kallen (?) and you're going to shove in Dann's face? A Kallen finish would be hilarious... I could see the entire ep 25 thread being filled with lol @ dann comments. I don't wanna touch Geass romance predictions with a 2 foot stick, the way they treated Kallen in the second half of the first season as well as C.C in R2 just makes me wary. Also I'm far from convinced that it will end with R2.
I have supreme confidence that C.C will win. Apply the harem rule to Code Geass too, heck, even Mai Hime, Sunrise's other series, uses that rule in Mai-Reito-that guy whose name I forgot and Natsuki-that underwear guy-Shizuru. Once C.C will win, I will definitely return to the Code Geass section, and I will point my finger at Mr Dann and laugh and laugh and laugh.
swampstorm: Please don't be modest, everyone loves your writing skills and your Sheryl love is love itself lmao. Go for it.
The only way I think Luca and Michael would know Ranka's connection to Ozma is if he told them about her and he would only do that if he had a reason. Really, I don't think he's that close to them, and rather he hanged out with the older crowd at the SMS, like Bobby, Caraina, the guy that died...
Come to think of it, the main reason Michael went after Ranka was because Ozma was on Ranka's shitlist at the time, and couldn't really do it himself.
Actually Ranka mentioned that she goes by her brother's office at times. In fact she was heading there when she ran into Sheryl in ep 2. So she probably met Micheal and Luca when she dropped by to see her brother. And I wouldn't be surprised if Ozam used that to his advantage to have them keep an eye on her with them being similar in age to her.
TwilightHack
2008-06-28, 13:24
I wish everyone would stop making it look like Michel pushed Alto to Ranka. Because he didn't. I know that Alto abandoning Sheryl doesn't look too nice, but Alto made his choice with a little reminder/nudge from Michel. All this scene did was to set up love-love time between Alto and Ranka, as well as a reminder that Ranka has friends to look out for her. It WILL balance it out, so relax.
While it's true the end decision was left up to Alto, it's clear that Michael set him up using a careful choice of words.
It may not be pushing per se, but it's close.
We all know Sheryl will jump back into the fray at some point (can't wait!), but for now... just pointing out the obvious.
squaresphere
2008-06-28, 15:15
I don't think Michel is trying to help Ranka as so much he's making a play for Sheryl :D Get Alto out of the picture and he can pick up Sheryl on the rebound :P
Seriously though, I don't know why Michel is so dead set on getting those to together. It's not like he like Alto all that much, and Ranka is more ... well they did say before Michel likes the older mature ladies :D.
Michel is a friend of Ranka's, all three friends look out for Ranka. They've noticed Ranka's state around Alto, so with a little nudge on Michel's part, Alto agreed and went off with Ranka. It's not about pushing Alto and Ranka together, it's just being considerate of Ranka's feelings and asking Alto to do so.
Everyone who knows me knows that I also love both girls' characters and I ship Alto x Sheryl like a crazy thing. I'd like to push away my shipping stance for a moment to say that I was a little disappointed with Ranka in this episode for being frantic over only Alto and being wrapped up over her undelivered birthday present when Alto and Sheryl's lives were on the line (especially when there's a clear indication of Sheryl's condition seeing how it was flashed on Luca's screen.)
I hope that's not how Ranka's character will play out, and that I'm imagining things with Nanase's lone preview. Because if it is, then... even though Ranka's an awesome girl, she really will be walking on Minmei's route, and I'd rather see better things for her, because it would suck.
Everything that Ranka was bothered about, every issue Ranka was cast in a sympathetic light in, everything was addressed in this episode, and Ranka gained even more : Alto's interest while Sheryl, even though she didn't technically lose Alto, her close friendship with Alto will be shadowed by his newfound interest in Ranka, and her illness stopping her career. The roles were truly reversed, and it'll be interesting to see what the fandom's reaction to both girls will be from this point on.
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 18:16
Michel is a friend of Ranka's, all three friends look out for Ranka. They've noticed Ranka's state around Alto, so with a little nudge on Michel's part, Alto agreed and went off with Ranka. It's not about pushing Alto and Ranka together, it's just being considerate of Ranka's feelings and asking Alto to do so.
Everyone who knows me knows that I also love both girls' characters and I ship Alto x Sheryl like a crazy thing. I'd like to push away my shipping stance for a moment to say that I was a little disappointed with Ranka in this episode for being frantic over only Alto and being wrapped up over her undelivered birthday present when Alto and Sheryl's lives were on the line (especially when there's a clear indication of Sheryl's condition seeing how it was flashed on Luca's screen.)
I hope that's not how Ranka's character will play out, and that I'm imagining things with Nanase's lone preview. Because if it is, then... even though Ranka's an awesome girl, she really will be walking on Minmei's route, and I'd rather see better things for her, because it would suck.
What comes around goes around? It's not like Sheryl and Ranka are friends. Though I'd have to watch it again to see where Ranka was "frantic" over Alto.
Where'd Michael get his fighter from? Did he steal it?
What comes around goes around? It's not like Sheryl and Ranka are friends. Though I'd have to watch it again to see where Ranka was "frantic" over Alto.
Where'd Michael get his fighter from? Did he steal it?
As "frantic" as Ranka can be anyway. Sheryl, in many ways, was Ranka's mentor, the one who propped her up. She didn't "tease" Ranka about stardom, if you read her blog entries (which ironically reveal more about her take on Ranka) you'd find that Ranka made a big impression on her as much as Alto did.
I just didn't like the little remark Ranka made about her birthday present. It was somewhat out of line considering that Alto and Sheryl's lives were on the line, I know that it was prompted by her newfound feelings for Alto, but I also know Ranka is a character who's capable of more depth than that. I'll wait out for the next episode to see how everything goes, because from here on, both girls are going to be significantly different.
Where'd Michael get his fighter from? Did he steal it?
Er, thats his fighter. He was sent by SMS to 'pacify' the situation.
- Tak
Aquifina
2008-06-28, 18:40
I just didn't like the little remark Ranka made about her birthday present. It was somewhat out of line considering that Alto and Sheryl's lives were on the line, I know that it was prompted by her newfound feelings for Alto, but I also know Ranka is a character who's capable of more depth than that. I'll wait out for the next episode to see how everything goes, because from here on, both girls are going to be significantly different.
The birthday present is just a proxy for larger, more important things--i.e. giving Alto a sense of what he means to her. If Alto had died, then Ranka would for the rest of her life have known that she never showed Alto an inkling of what she felt, at least in part because she had procrastinated too much in ep. 11. To say that would truly suck for her would be a serious understatement.
When someone dies, all we're left is our memories of that person--both the happy ones, and our regrets for the things we should have done and didn't. There's nothing selfish about that, at all, because it's premised on our sorrow for the loss, and our wish to have done better by a person when it was still possible to do so.
Aquifina
2008-06-28, 18:43
Er, thats his fighter. He was sent by SMS to 'pacify' the situation.
- Tak
Then where'd he get the giant speakers? Does SMS just keep a few of them around for non-lethal crowd control, or something. :)
It will be interesting too see if Sheryl can win over Alto's friends over the course of the series, Ani_D I mean Nanase is impossible but she might be able to get Michael and Luca into a neutral position by series end as opposed to the Ranka camp at the moment. Next episode Michael might start to realize that Alto isn't Sheryl's plaything and is someone important to her...
Seeing as how Sheryl is "fine" in 13 to go looking for Alto and Ranka but is sick again in 15 I'm assuming she puts on a front after hearing that Alto and Ranka have gone missing and probably collapses again after they find them. If it's something like that and Michael doesn't realize she's serious he's an idiot... this would also take Sheryl out of the equation for episode 14 which seems to be the Ranka and Brera past episode.
I just didn't like the little remark Ranka made about her birthday present. It was somewhat out of line considering that Alto and Sheryl's lives were on the line, I know that it was prompted by her newfound feelings for Alto, but I also know Ranka is a character who's capable of more depth than that.
I noticed a lot of people saying that Sheryl was more concerned about her career being threatened (grabbing the sheets) than she was with Ranka being with Alto (my avatar) but those people saying that are forgetting one thing.
Michael "Alto I brought you a birthday present!!" *Ranka starts singing*
Not only did Ranka save the day in a situation her sickness caused (it was just an excuse but would a sick Sheryl be thinking that?) she was able to give her present to Alto and as the "I haven't given you your present" scene showed it meant a lot to Sheryl.
I'll wait out for the next episode to see how everything goes, because from here on, both girls are going to be significantly different.
I can agree with that.
Then where'd he get the giant speakers? Does SMS just keep a few of them around for non-lethal crowd control, or something. :)
Ozma is a fire bomber fan!
Where'd Michael get his fighter from? Did he steal it?
I just wanna know where he got the speaker pod from. I bet Ozma had them stashed away, just waiting for this day...
I just didn't like the little remark Ranka made about her birthday present. It was somewhat out of line considering that Alto and Sheryl's lives were on the line, I know that it was prompted by her newfound feelings for Alto, but I also know Ranka is a character who's capable of more depth than that. I'll wait out for the next episode to see how everything goes, because from here on, both girls are going to be significantly different.
As many times as Alto has saved her, I'm sure alot of her attitude is just being aloof about the whole situation. Unless you're talking about the scene in the plane, but I think she was just trying to be modest.
Regardless, the next few episodes are going to be very, very interesting from many angles.
Ozma is a fire bomber fan!
Doh, beaten to the punch. Jeez, this thread moves fast when it gets rolling.
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 18:53
As "frantic" as Ranka can be anyway. Sheryl, in many ways, was Ranka's mentor, the one who propped her up. She didn't "tease" Ranka about stardom, if you read her blog entries (which ironically reveal more about her take on Ranka) you'd find that Ranka made a big impression on her as much as Alto did.
As far as I'm concerned, only what matters is what is portrayed in the actual show. Even if it's the same writer, I won't buy into anything else, because it's up to everyone involved with the production to properly express a character and convey a scene. One person's product will be alot different than what alot of people with different ideas will produce.
I just didn't like the little remark Ranka made about her birthday present. It was somewhat out of line considering that Alto and Sheryl's lives were on the line, I know that it was prompted by her newfound feelings for Alto, but I also know Ranka is a character who's capable of more depth than that. I'll wait out for the next episode to see how everything goes, because from here on, both girls are going to be significantly different.
Ranka totally upstaged Sheryl and even "stole" Sheryl's birthday present away from her. Sure, he got to fly through his stupid sky because of Sheryl, but it was Ranka he experienced it with.
Though I don't think Ranka was doing anything other than diffusing the situation with her performance, and wishing him a happy birthday after everything was said and done wasn't inconsiderate of "their lives" since everything was absolved by that point.
By the way to go back to the how does Michael and Luca know Ranka discussion... didn't Michael say something like Ozma makes him deal with her when he can't handle her or something like that in episode 5? I'm assuming they would've met at the SMS premises sometime over the course of Michael and Luca's enrollment their.
Doh, beaten to the punch. Jeez, this thread moves fast when it gets rolling.
Its not a complicated situation. Cmon, after all that experience dealing with the Zentradi and later, Protodevlin, you think the military wouldn't keep a few speakers for crowd control?
Damn right if Mikhail should have speakers!
As for Ozma, its funny because on one hand, the man is a firebomber fan, on the other, he wouldn't let Ranka sing or act. What up?
- Tak
I was talking about the scene where the kidnapping got transmitted over to Luca.
On the role reversal, it was nice that my speculations rang true in this episode though. Ranka's sympathy role reached such a peak in the last episode that I wasn't surprised to see the Super Move (tm lol @ Key Board) charged up from behind the scenes just for this episode.
It was like killing off enough of your HP points to pave way for a Limit Break of Pwnage. :heh:
It looks like Ranka, and her story/past will be the main focus from 13+? If that's the case, then it's not too far to assume Sheryl will take up the remaining episodes.
Aquifina
2008-06-28, 19:14
Ozma is a fire bomber fan!
I know just enough about the Macross universe to be not totally WTF!? when Ranka stopped the fighting when singing, but I must admit, I was a bit taken aback. Which is probably why I enjoyed the whole sequence so much.
BTW, I actually like Alto as a character, but man, he always seems to have his game face on. Either that, or be annoyed. He didn't seem to enjoy Ranka's concert *at all*. I wonder if both her and Sheryl like him because they want to see if they can get some kind of emotional reaction out of him *other* than annoyance or being a military badass. At least we got to see Alto blush a few times this ep. :)
On the role reversal, it was nice that my speculations rang true in this episode though. Ranka's sympathy role reached such a peak in the last episode that I wasn't surprised to see the Super Move (tm lol @ Key Board) charged up from behind the scenes just for this episode. It was like killing off enough of your HP points to pave way for a Limit Break of Pwnage. :heh
Yeah I thought 11 would be the end of it and thankfully that turned out to be the case, I don't know how much more I could've taken.
It looks like Ranka, and her story/past will be the main focus from 13+? If that's the case, then it's not too far to assume Sheryl will take up the remaining episodes.
Well yeah 13+ look Ranka focused and should get a lot of her stuff out of the way
Past, Brera connection, start relationship with alto??, Ozma dying??
And than we have a lot of Sheryl stuff to go, Sheryl's past, Grace's real agenda, Galaxy fleet and when Sheryl will rejoin the fray for Alto and her career.
BTW, I actually like Alto as a character, but man, he always seems to have his game face on. Either that, or be annoyed. He didn't seem to enjoy Ranka's concert *at all*. I wonder if both her and Sheryl like him because they want to see if they can get some kind of emotional reaction out of him *other* than annoyance or being a military badass. At least we got to see Alto blush a few times this ep. :)
Yeah I was a bit wtf at his complete deadpan expression when Ranka first arrived, she just saved your ass and he's like "Ranka" with a mask over his face.
I was talking about the scene where the kidnapping got transmitted over to Luca.
On the role reversal, it was nice that my speculations rang true in this episode though. Ranka's sympathy role reached such a peak in the last episode that I wasn't surprised to see the Super Move (tm lol @ Key Board) charged up from behind the scenes just for this episode.
It was like killing off enough of your HP points to pave way for a Limit Break of Pwnage. :heh:
It looks like Ranka, and her story/past will be the main focus from 13+? If that's the case, then it's not too far to assume Sheryl will take up the remaining episodes.
I haven't looked at any of the spoilers for the next few eps, but people keep mentioning them so I figure they're gonna be Ranka-centric. Still, I'm just waiting for Sheryl to bust out a combo breaker and lead into a fatality that will leave Ranka a steaming pile of green rodent droppings!
On a more serious note, I think that most people realized that Sheryl was going to take a large fall at a certain point, but the extent of the fall in ep 12 was still surprising. And don't forget that we are bound to get more insight into Sheryl's past. These type of falls are perfect segues into delving into characters more deeply.
I haven't looked at any of the spoilers for the next few eps, but people keep mentioning them so I figure they're gonna be Ranka-centric. Still, I'm just waiting for Sheryl to bust out a combo breaker and lead into a fatality that will leave Ranka a steaming pile of green rodent droppings!
Ranka will go to unleash another super and Sheryl will do a Daigo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS7hkwbKmBM
I know just enough about the Macross universe to be not totally WTF!? when Ranka stopped the fighting when singing, but I must admit, I was a bit taken aback. Which is probably why I enjoyed the whole sequence so much.
I think the music sequences have gotten more and more um... extravagant? as the Macross series have gone on. I was almost in tears from trying to hold back the laughter and fanboy squeals (I snuck in a quiet watch of an early raw at work) when that VF-25 showed up.
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 19:27
Unless they're planning on building Sheryl up from scratch, they shouldn't bother with her character from now on.
Unless they're planning on building Sheryl up from scratch, they shouldn't bother with her character from now on.
Like saying unless you are planning on retuning your attitude, you should not bother to post from now on?
That wasn't necessary.
On a more serious note, I think that most people realized that Sheryl was going to take a large fall at a certain point, but the extent of the fall in ep 12 was still surprising.
Looked like she got smacked by a sledge hammer, stabbed multiple times and kicked while down. Yes, that took me by surprise, for it was quite brutal. I feel her pain, I really, really do.
And don't forget that we are bound to get more insight into Sheryl's past. These type of falls are perfect segues into delving into characters more deeply.
Not to mention the possibilities of breaking the 26 episode limit.
- Tak
If we go with a second series hello 1-2 year time skip.
I think the music sequences have gotten more and more um... extravagant? as the Macross series have gone on. I was almost in tears from trying to hold back the laughter and fanboy squeals (I snuck in a quiet watch of an early raw at work) when that VF-25 showed up.
I nearly face palmed @ the nosebleed part, D.C please Kawamori for the dvds.
I nearly face palmed @ the nosebleed part, D.C please Kawamori for the dvds.
I thought that was hilarious...
Seriously, if girls can faint in the presence of personalities like Elvis and the Beatles, the Zentradis can handle a little nosebleed, ok.
- Tak
I doubt it would happen, but... what if Ranka goes for the finishing move next episode?
"Goodbye, sister" Sheryl? :upset:
I doubt it would happen, but... what if Ranka goes for the finishing move next episode?
"Goodbye, sister" Sheryl? :upset:
Or it could be the reverse. That is, if they are related.
- Tak
Looked like she got smacked by a sledge hammer, stabbed multiple times and kicked while down. Yes, that took me by surprise, for it was quite brutal. I feel her pain, I really, really do.
- Tak
That's a bit of an exaggeration. :heh: But Ranka's limit break IS utter pwnage. Way to go!!!
Sheryl's points are down, but it looks like she'll be charging up until the very end of the series where she'll blow everyone away with The Move. :heh:
And then it's "Nice Macross".
I doubt it would happen, but... what if Ranka goes for the finishing move next episode?
"Goodbye, sister" Sheryl? :upset:
Doubt it since well I guess I better tag
While they may be related in some way (DNA if say Sheryl is a (failed?) clone of Sara Nome?) they wouldn't and shouldn't be sisters.
If we go with a second series hello 1-2 year time skip.
Would Sheryl get fat, divorce Alto and be a deadbeat mom like Britney Spears? Maybe Ranka could develop a drug habit after losing Alto and go in and out of rehab until Alto comes back to her and um...
I should stop now.
I should stop now.
:heh: I think you should.
Any ideas on when the next episode will air? I keep hearing rumors about it being postponed for another week.
:heh: I think you should.
Any ideas on when the next episode will air? I keep hearing rumors about it being postponed for another week.
According to episode 12, it will show next week. No postponement.
- Tak
TwilightHack
2008-06-28, 20:29
Ranka will go to unleash another super and Sheryl will do a Daigo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS7hkwbKmBM
I rofled.
I somehow expect something like that to happen, I'm not holding my breath atm though. Let Ranka shine for a bit, I'm perfectly fine with that.
Aquifina
2008-06-28, 20:34
Yeah I was a bit wtf at his complete deadpan expression when Ranka first arrived, she just saved your ass and he's like "Ranka" with a mask over his face.
The initial WTF?! look on his face when she first showed up was I thought actually understandable. I think I would be a little perplexed if after being captured during a battle, my singing idol friend from back home just showed up out of nowhere and decided to do a concert in the middle of the fight. It probably didn't help that Alto's so oblivious that it probably didn't occur to him that Ranka would care enough to do something like this. What impressed me was that as all these Zentradi are going goo-goo ga-ga, Alto doesn't seem to even notice the singing and just hops in his VF to go fight.
Anyone else get the feeling that Grace is using Sheryl's own personalities (ie. her pride) against her? Of course, without the latter ever noticing. Very devious character indeed.
- Tak
Wesley84
2008-06-28, 20:53
Anyone else get the feeling that Grace is using Sheryl's own personalities (ie. her pride) against her? Of course, without the latter ever noticing. Very devious character indeed.
- Tak
She's taking advantage of Sheryl's status and predictable behavior to whatever end. Hard to say if she actually cares about Sheryl or anything really.
Swampstorm
2008-06-28, 21:46
But if it was to be to the effect that Ranka is INDEED a longtime friend to Nanase, then why didn't she know about Alto beforehand? @.@;;While Ranka was friends with Nanase through work, she initially attended a different school. So there's three distinct social circles here: Nyan Nyan, Miboshi Academy, and Ozma's SMS squadron. Nanase and Ranka are initially familiar with two of them, with their common link being Nyan Nyan. While there is considerable overlap between the three groups, Ranka and Nanase probably only realized their common friendships when they ended up in the same school together. But the relationships were all still in place, to begin with, even if not in a group setting.
I don't know, I don't really see why she'd be friends with Alto, Michael, or Luca without Ranka being in the mix. They probably weren't really aquianted until Ranka joined their school, and from there they just seem to hang out all the time and talk about Ranka...?Nanase probably didn't know Alto except by reputation. However, she does seem quite comfortable talking to Luca (who seems stuck in the 'friend with a crush' position). So I'd imagine that she's spent a fair amount of time with Michael as well, by extension.
Given that Nanase, Mikhail and Luca have all the good inside stuff on Alto, they would've probably spoonfed Ranka with all kinds of information like what Alto likes and all that in the first eps of the series already, if Ranka was showing an interest in Alto. Plothole? :heh: but probably it's because Ranka is too timid to ask anything about Alto, or know that she indeed likes him more than just a crush. :heh:While Michael and Luca would probably know a fair bit about Alto, she doesn't confide in either directly (presumably because Michael used to treat her as a kid, based on what we heard in episode five). As a result, at best they can do to help her out is to try to work on Alto.
Nanase, on the other hand, knows far less about Alto. However, she has provided Ranka with whatever information that she does know, such as the information about Alto's upcoming birthday and the information that she's gathered on Alto and Sheryl's relationship. So I don't think that any of Ranka's friends have really held back in their efforts.
As far as I'm concerned, only what matters is what is portrayed in the actual show. Even if it's the same writer, I won't buy into anything else, because it's up to everyone involved with the production to properly express a character and convey a scene. One person's product will be alot different than what alot of people with different ideas will produce.
My canon is bigger than your canon. ;)
I wish everyone would stop making it look like Michel pushed Alto to Ranka. Because he didn't. I know that Alto abandoning Sheryl doesn't look too nice, but Alto made his choice with a little reminder/nudge from Michel.The difference between a nudge and a push is simply a matter of degrees. :heh:
Michael could have simply pointed out that Alto has some free time right now, and having missed the chance to hang out with Ranka earlier, he finally has the opportunity now. Instead, Michael turned it into an obligation: "Ranka came all the way here for your sake, so think of her feelings."
I don't think that Sheryl would have wanted Alto to stick around just for her sake either, given that she was so desperate to get Alto his opportunity to fly earlier in the episode. So in that sense, it was good for Michael to offer to keep an eye out for Sheryl to give Alto a bit of freedom on his birthday. But aside from that, Michael's approach was a bit too forceful.
Please don't be modest, everyone loves your writing skills and your Sheryl love is love itself lmao. Go for it.
If I was being modest, I'd have just sidestepped your post. ;)
It's easier to come up with ideas in the framework of these discussions. That's why I want to talk these things out.
On a more serious note, I think that most people realized that Sheryl was going to take a large fall at a certain point, but the extent of the fall in ep 12 was still surprising. And don't forget that we are bound to get more insight into Sheryl's past. These type of falls are perfect segues into delving into characters more deeply.It's not really an issue of extent so much as contrast. Sheryl puts so much importance on being strong for the sake of others that its easy to forget how vulnerable she really was. Normally we see her when she's happy and full of energy, but the loneliness that Sheryl feels is still lurking in the background, as we saw back in episode six. This episode took it several steps further and showed us a glimpse of her feelings after all of her defenses have been taken away from her. Because of the strength of Sheryl's personality, it's easy to simply assume that she can tackle absolutely any problem without any support.
To be honest, though, I'm amazed that she's held out for so long on her own. I couldn't help but grin when she decided last episode that she was going to fight her sickness by using the strength of her will. That girl has absolutely no understanding of what it means to have limits. :heh:
Eidolon Sniper
2008-06-29, 00:42
@ Swampstorm
Nanase is a schoolmate of Alto's, ditto with Luca and Mikhail or Michel or Michael. And I find it intriguing that even if they're schoolmates, they always almost constantly hang around with each other a lot. LOL plothole? :heh: Also, I find it equally intriguing that as much as Nanase pushes Ranka onto Alto, given their relationship as co-workers beforehand in Nyan Nyan - I mean, she suddenly pushes her onto Alto and gives her good insider stuff like his birthday, in just a span of few episodes...@.@;;
@ Swampstorm
Nanase is a schoolmate of Alto's, ditto with Luca and Mikhail or Michel or Michael. And I find it intriguing that even if they're schoolmates, they always almost constantly hang around with each other a lot. LOL plothole? :heh: Also, I find it equally intriguing that as much as Nanase pushes Ranka onto Alto, given their relationship as co-workers beforehand in Nyan Nyan - I mean, she suddenly pushes her onto Alto and gives her good insider stuff like his birthday, in just a span of few episodes...@.@;;
Alto was actually quite reluctant even when hanging out with Mikhail and Luca. Moreover, Nanase had always been that 'some girl standing there' to Alto, I'd think. But this changed when Ranka became a part of their circle.
And since Ranka reads like an open book, it wasn't hard to tell Ranka was interested in Alto. Obviously, from a friend's stand point, I don't think it is surprising at all for Nanase to dig up these misc. info and relaying them to Ranka. Besides, Alto's birthday is certainly not an information Mikhail and Luca would conceal from Nanase.
- Tak
Eidolon Sniper
2008-06-29, 08:03
That was which was bothering me Tak. Nanase was just some random girl beside Alto hime et al. What suddenly made her part of the Ranka clique alongside Luca and Mikhail/ Michel/ Michael? :heh:
That was which was bothering me Tak. Nanase was just some random girl beside Alto hime et al. What suddenly made her part of the Ranka clique alongside Luca and Mikhail/ Michel/ Michael? :heh:
Lets see, Nanase and Ranka were friends before they met Alto. Ranka is Ozma's sister, Ozma is Mikhail and Luca's captain, I am sure they all knew each other long before episode I. Moreover, Luca has a crush on Nanase also, so there is no way they shouldn't know each other beforehand.
Actually, although Alto is pretty much in the 'clique' alongside Luca, Mikhail, Ranka and Nanase, he wants to treat himself as an outsider, at least thats what I see.
- Tak
Eidolon Sniper
2008-06-29, 10:48
We didn't know Luca had a crush on Nanase until the later eps, lol. :heh: And I can probably understand Alto for trying to stay outside that clique, he gets his nickname from Michel, so...:heh:
Lets see, Nanase and Ranka were friends before they met Alto.
Yup. Look at episode one and episode four. In episode one, you know Nanase had a job and Ranka said she work at Nyan Nyan. In episode four, you see the two of them worked at Nyan Nyan together as waitresses. So they definitely were friends before the events in episode one and it's an open question how long they knew each other.
Actually you see them together in the Deculture version of ep 1 since Ranka's scene where she gets all excited over Ozma getting her Sheryl tickets is longer and Nanase turns up to warn her she's getting into trouble with her boss XD
2008-06-29
Title: Anyways, time to kill.
Hair growing on the heart;
"so such a phenomenon really does exist" is what I thought to myself.
For example, you hear stories about fungus growing in the lungs, right?
I figured that hair growing around the area of the heart was the same thing. Short fuzzz hair, that is.
Yesterday one of my classmates told me this and I was shocked.
"It grows there without me knowing??"
was how I felt...
I learned the true meaning of the saying earlier.
Anyways, tomorrow I am going kill them.
Sheryl
May 1?, 2059
I don't know what this saying really means so if anyone could enlighten me, I'd appreciate it.
TwilightHack
2008-06-29, 13:36
Good question, it could mean a number of things.
I've never heard that saying before.
Anh_Minh
2008-06-29, 14:06
It means her chest has gotten all hairy and she's going to put some depilatory cream on it.
OK, probably not.
2008-06-29
I don't know what this saying really means so if anyone could enlighten me, I'd appreciate it.
Sounds like someone took "a warm fuzzy feeling in the heart" a little too literally.
Wesley84
2008-06-29, 14:32
Sounds like someone took "a warm fuzzy feeling in the heart" a little too literally.
For someone who writes lyrics for songs, that's rather odd don't you think?
It means her chest has gotten all hairy and she's going to put some depilatory cream on it.
Lol.
I'm not 100% sure, but "Hair growing on the heart", does really mean "hair growing on the chest." Not so much in the literal sense though, it's a phrase that refers to puberty and growing up. Getting those first facial hairs and stuff.
My guess is that Sheryl took the phrase literally and thought it was some sort of medical phenomena where hair literally grows on your heart, just like the medical "phenomena" in which people get sick due to actual fungi growing in their lungs.
Silly Sheryl. :heh:
(On a sidenote, I was looking at Ranka's 6/29 entry, but it's so cryptic, I don't even feel like bothering to try to translate it. :confused:)
Lol.
I'm not 100% sure, but "Hair growing on the heart", does really mean "hair growing on the chest." Not so much in the literal sense though, it's a phrase that refers to puberty and growing up. Getting those first facial hairs and stuff.
My guess is that Sheryl took the phrase literally and thought it was some sort of medical phenomena where hair literally grows on your heart, just like the medical "phenomena" in which people get sick due to actual fungi growing in their lungs.
Silly Sheryl. :heh:
(On a sidenote, I was looking at Ranka's 6/29 entry, but it's so cryptic, I don't even feel like bothering to try to translate it. :confused:)
Oh, I understood that she was talking about a medical phenomena, but was wondering if there was a Japanese idiom that it was coming from.
Are some of the kanji and kana garbled for you too? I can barely read it because of the garbled encoding. It looks as if Ranka is venting because she feels that the entire universe loves Sheryl and is on her side or something. I can't tell what the date, but I guess it is in between eps 11 and 12 since she can't really feel that way after connecting with her Super Move in 12.
^Yeup, I changed my browser's encoding several times thinking the symbols in her blog entry would miraculously change to something that made sense. ;)
But I'm also getting the "Sheryl must be beloved by every single organism in the universe" kind of feeling Ranka gives off. Then I looked at the first couple sentences again. It just makes it seem as if she's just talking about how amazing Sheryl's live was.
If that's so, then I guess it's just old news...
Maybe a silly question, but I'm assuming you're both using XP (Alorin, ickem). Do you have JP input fully set up, or just the language pack installed? Unicode encoding should work fine if everything else is set up proper...
Either way appreciated on the translations.
Maybe a silly question, but I'm assuming you're both using XP (Alorin, ickem). Do you have JP input fully set up, or just the language pack installed? Unicode encoding should work fine if everything else is set up proper...
Either way appreciated on the translations.
Yeah Unicode is setup correctly. I actually have Japanese as the default language so that I can use certain programs.
Or you can just use Firefox, and everything (Kanji) would be revealed before you :p
- Tak
Or you can just use Firefox, and everything (Kanji) would be revealed before you :p
- Tak
Heh, you're assuming that I'm not using Firefox :p. Anyways I've tried IE, Opera, Safari, and Firefox and they're all garbled.
lone_wolf
2008-06-30, 17:59
Heh, you're assuming that I'm not using Firefox :p. Anyways I've tried IE, Opera, Safari, and Firefox and they're all garbled.
Oh wow! That's really odd...are you using Window's Vista? I encountered something similar with that OS but then switched back to a lesser evil with was XP.
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
JackRydden224
2008-06-30, 22:43
Sheryl/Alto/Ranka aside, how, if at all do you guys think Michele will get with Klan?
Can Michael be macronized? I know Max did it in DYRL but that has been retconned into just a movie in the Macross universe. I doubt loli Klan can be fixed but hey Luca might pull another invention by his brothers out of his ass so who knows. Also if Ozma doesn't die it makes one or both of these two the most likely to go imo. They are the only two aside from Ozma who could make an impact if they died. Nanase worthless, Luca, nearly as worthless, Pixies not enough screentime.
Wesley84
2008-07-01, 01:26
I would be very sad if any of the Pixies died. :(
And if a genetic defect makes KK a little girl, imagine what would happen to a half breed? Might turn him inside out for all we know.
Emilia was a half-breed. Nothing happened to her.
- Tak
Wesley84
2008-07-01, 01:30
Emilia was a half-breed. Nothing happened to her.
- Tak
Well, there you go. The only reason Michael doesn't Macronize is because QR's don't have sniping rigs. :rolleyes:
Emilia was a half-breed. Nothing happened to her.
- Tak
Is Michael Zolan though? Considering Graham I guess it wouldn't matter... but then according to Zomeo and Zoliet I don't think Zolans were... compatible with other species. Whcih... basically begs the question, how is Michael part Zolan?
Hmmm...
Is Michael Zolan though? Considering Graham I guess it wouldn't matter... but then according to Zomeo and Zoliet
Errr, Zomeo and Zoliet, what?
I don't think Zolans were... compatible with other species. Whcih... basically begs the question, how is Michael part Zolan?
Hmmm...
Wasn't Graham's dead wife supposed to be human? I forget, it's been a while.
Incidentally, where is it stated that the miclone inhabitants of planet Zola (not Zolan snakes) are another race apart from humantradi? Especially that part about them being descended from marsupials...
ReddyRedWolf
2008-07-01, 07:57
Wasn't Graham's dead wife supposed to be human? I forget, it's been a while.
Incidentally, where is it stated that the miclone inhabitants of planet Zola (not Zolan snakes) are another race apart from humantradi? Especially that part about them being descended from marsupials...
Remember Macross Zero and that Protoculture theory of using viruses to manipulate and accelarate evolution?
It just happens Earth humans evolved from primates while Zolans evolved from marsupials.
Suprisingly Zola has species like Bears, Owls etc.
Suggesting at one point there was an effort to migrate species from Earth to Zola by the Protoculture.
Errr, Zomeo and Zoliet, what?
Television didn't quite catch up there. They like their radio dramas. I particularly like the one about the romance between a human from Macross 11 and a Zolan girl.
Anyway just watched one of the Macross 7 Plus clips about Akiko, Ray and Stephan.
Rey and Stephan are pals. Both like Akiko. Akiko likes Ray more than Stephan.
Stephan proposed to Akiko. Ray isn't confident that he could make Akiko happy and left Akiko for him.
Akiko bitterly accepts Stephans proposal.
Happy bitter ending? Nope not at all.
In Macross 7 Encore it is revealed that Stephan got killed in a rogue Zentradi ambush.
Leading Ray to alcoholism.
This makes me wonder what would be Isamu's reaction when he finds out Guld , who promised to buy drinks after beating the X-9 Ghost, died.
2008-07-01
Title: Such as jealousy...
It is said that things such as jealousy or a lie or a rivalry make a woman more beautiful.
But, that is only if it is done right.
Otherwise she only finds a dark self-loathing for her ugly self.
It is like a recipe for cookies, you only have to follow the procedure and place enough of the ingredients in so that you don't fail.
Sheryl
July 7, 2059
In Macross 7 Encore it is revealed that Stephan got killed in a rogue Zentradi ambush.
Leading Ray to alcoholism.
The greatest thing about that whole story, was that Ray and Stephan's squadron was called "Pink Pecker" :heh:
Regardless, Isamu and Guld had their moment gliding in the sky to make peace and come to terms. IIRC Ray and Stephan... didn't.
It is like a recipe for cookies, you only have to follow the procedure and place enough of the ingredients in so that you don't fail.
I really hope her ability to bake cookies is better than her ability to do laundry...
¡¡¡ガンバレシェリル!!!
CaptGloval
2008-07-01, 11:43
This makes me wonder what would be Isamu's reaction when he finds out Guld , who promised to buy drinks after beating the X-9 Ghost, died.
I think Isamu and Myung knew because Guld bid them farewell.
I really hope her ability to bake cookies is better than her ability to do laundry...
We already know Ranka can't make cookies. Maybe Sheryl can do better? :D
¡¡¡ガンバレシェリル!!!
We already know Ranka can't make cookies. Maybe Sheryl can do better? :D
¡¡¡ガンバレシェリル!!!
Well we know that Sheryl is quite a good cook, but the question is whether she can bake. I tend to believe that she is pretty good at baking too :D.
シェリル女王様ばんざい！！
Long live Queen Sheryl!!
We already know Ranka can't make cookies. Maybe Sheryl can do better? :D
Sheryl's SUPER ULTRA BIG move desu to take Ranka out of the running = baking cookies that aren't bitter. :heh:
Who's cuisine will reign supreme!!?
Who's cuisine will reign supreme!!?
Iron Chef - Sheryl vs. Ranka deathmatch? :p
Wesley84
2008-07-01, 17:20
Just a darn minute. There's a good chance the cookie recipe was not her own. That the cookies turned out bad because of Ranka is merely an assumption. And we know Ranka cooks for herself and Ozma, so she's not inexperienced. I'm not saying she's a goddess of the kitchen, but to assume Ranka is a badcook is the same kind of baseless assumption of Sheryl being a bitch right from the get go.
Also, I assume you're all getting the whole "Sheryl's a good cook" thing from her so-called blog, yes? The fact it isn't indicated at anytime in the anime aside, that's an unsubstantiated and biased personal assessement of her own ability. She could easily think she's an awesome cook, because people are afraid to tell her otherwise while having bad taste.
TwilightHack
2008-07-01, 17:37
^You're taking things a bit seriously.
I think you might need to cool off a bit after all the heat you've been taking.
Everyone is just having fun with the prospect of an Iron Chef Battle, Ranka vs Sheryl showdown. I myself would find it pretty funny.
Note: Baking and Cooking are two completely different aspects of the culinary arts. You can excel at one and fail at the other.
Wesley84
2008-07-01, 17:58
^You're taking things a bit seriously.
I just want the record to be set straight.
I think you might need to cool off a bit after all the heat you've been taking.
I haven't said anything I regret recently. No matter how angry people are with me, I'm the one that will decide whether it's justified or not. Believe ir or not, I do have standards for myself that I'm ashamed that I do not sometimes/often meet.
Everyone is just having fun with the prospect of an Iron Chef Battle, Ranka vs Sheryl showdown. I myself would find it pretty funny.
Their "rivalry" over Alto is about as fun to watch as paint dry. Why would a cooking contest be any different? The only way it'd be funny is if they were both ooc.
Note: Baking and Cooking are two completely different aspects of the culinary arts. You can excel at one and fail at the other.
Duely noted.
TwilightHack
2008-07-01, 18:26
^At least I tried, lol.
The blog never stated Sheryl was good cook. Sheryl was merely saying jealousy, lies, and rivalries can make a woman more beautiful if done correctly. She compared this "done correctly" as akin to baking cookies. By adding just enough of each ingredient not to fail, you can have something great. In other words, just the right amount.
Also, I don't think anyone in their right mind would make a recipe for bitter cookies to feed to another human. I don't know any...
It's a matter of opinion but I find Rank and Sheryl fighting over Alto extremely interesting.
In any case... watching paint dry isn't THAT bad. After all, you can place bets with friends about how many people will disregard the "Wet Paint" sign and color themselves silly.
The blog never stated Sheryl was good cook. Sheryl was merely saying jealousy, lies, and rivalries can make a woman more beautiful if done correctly. She compared this "done correctly" as akin to baking cookies. By adding just enough of each ingredient not to fail, you can have something great. In other words, just the right amount.
It would be such a cool metaphor if they link this to Ranka's bitter cookies as a foreshadowing of how future events will go. It's a bit too out there, but I just thought it'll be cool. :)
Looking to see how the two girls will develop in the next episode!
Damn right if Mikhail should have speakers!
It actually leads to the question why Micheal.
Ozma, Luca or the Doctor would all be more likely choices for SMS to send.
Ozma because it's Ranka.
Luca because he's the unit EW specialist and this would seem to be covered by that better than sniping. You know things like running the sound balance. Also it's his faimilies fold unit.
The Doctor because a) A Konig Monster has more power and thus even bigger speakers, b) a KM is more useful if it doesn't work and c) Sheryl probably ought to see an in scale medic.
There's a good chance the cookie recipe was not her own.
Didn't she thank Nanase for the recipe?
Come on, Nanase has nothing to do with it. How often is it that everytime you follow a recipe, it somehow never comes out like what the picture in the recipe books depicted? :heh:
Swampstorm
2008-07-01, 19:19
The blog never stated Sheryl was good cook. Sheryl was merely saying jealousy, lies, and rivalries can make a woman more beautiful if done correctly. She compared this "done correctly" as akin to baking cookies. By adding just enough of each ingredient not to fail, you can have something great. In other words, just the right amount.I think that ickem is referring to an earlier blog entry (December 2058) in which Sheryl mentions that she can cook and talks about anime stereotypes regarding girls and cooking (closet otaku?) :heh:
In any case... watching paint dry isn't THAT bad. After all, you can place bets with friends about how many people will disregard the "Wet Paint" sign and color themselves silly.I like how you think. :D
Come on, Nanase has nothing to do with it. How often is it that everytime you follow a recipe, it somehow never comes out like what the picture in the recipe books depicted? :heh:That's because it's never fun to follow the recipe exactly. ;)
^At least I tried, lol.
The blog never stated Sheryl was good cook. Sheryl was merely saying jealousy, lies, and rivalries can make a woman more beautiful if done correctly. She compared this "done correctly" as akin to baking cookies. By adding just enough of each ingredient not to fail, you can have something great. In other words, just the right amount.
Also, I don't think anyone in their right mind would make a recipe for bitter cookies to feed to another human. I don't know any...
It's a matter of opinion but I find Rank and Sheryl fighting over Alto extremely interesting.
In any case... watching paint dry isn't THAT bad. After all, you can place bets with friends about how many people will disregard the "Wet Paint" sign and color themselves silly.
Well she does say that she's a good cook in one of the earlier entries :p. She's really serious about her food it seems.
^You're taking things a bit seriously.
Yeah it was definately a case of /facepalm when I read his post.
Yeah it was definately a case of /facepalm when I read his post.
:uhoh:
I have a feeling he is often doing it on purpose.
- Tak
Since cooking/food has come into play...
Ranka's 7/01 Entry: "Did You Know?!"
Hey, hey, hey, did you know?!
That if you put honey on a cucumber and eat it, it tastes like melon, but also, if you mix a little salt with it, it'll taste of Apple Mango! !
I heard it from a friend.
Could it r-really be true?
Tonight I'm going to try it and see!!
Ranka
2/20/2059
Since cooking/food has come into play...
Ranka's 7/01 Entry: That if you put honey on a cucumber and eat it, it tastes like melon, but also, if you mix a little salt with it, it'll taste of Apple Mango! !
Ranka
This doesn't bode well for Ranka-chan in the Frontier Iron Chef deathmatch...
This doesn't bode well for Ranka-chan in the Frontier Iron Chef deathmatch...
You didn't realize that already? She did try to poison Alto with cookies seasoned with her bitter tears after all!
This doesn't bode well for Ranka-chan in the Frontier Iron Chef deathmatch...
Inc 3 paragraph response by Wesley.
TwilightHack
2008-07-02, 02:23
Since cooking/food has come into play...
Ranka's 7/01 Entry: Hey, hey, hey, did you know?!
That if you put honey on a cucumber and eat it, it tastes like melon, but also, if you mix a little salt with it, it'll taste of Apple Mango! !
/facepalm
I love Ranka but I think I just died a little inside.
Since cooking/food has come into play...
That if you put honey on a cucumber and eat it, it tastes like melon, but also, if you mix a little salt with it, it'll taste of Apple Mango! !
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Looks like Ranka-chan is going to knock out the Iron Chef judges in one swoop with her salted honey cucumbers. Now does she win if she sends all the judges to the hospital? :heh:
*Iron Chef judges collapse*
Ranka - Oh no! Maybe Alto-kun won't like this recipe!
Anh_Minh
2008-07-02, 02:46
It actually leads to the question why Micheal.
Ozma, Luca or the Doctor would all be more likely choices for SMS to send.
Ozma because it's Ranka.
Luca because he's the unit EW specialist and this would seem to be covered by that better than sniping. You know things like running the sound balance. Also it's his faimilies fold unit.
The Doctor because a) A Konig Monster has more power and thus even bigger speakers, b) a KM is more useful if it doesn't work and c) Sheryl probably ought to see an in scale medic.
Because Michel has a better record of not getting hit? Also, maybe the KM isn't as adept at atmospheric flight as a VF.
Michael got sent so he can see Sheryl's devotion and heartbreak next episode ;) As for an in show reason.. maybe Ozma would've been too hot headed.
Michael got sent so he can see Sheryl's devotion and heartbreak next episode ;) As for an in show reason.. maybe Ozma would've been too hot headed.
I think Mikhail and gang acted on their own without SMS knowledge, with Luca pulling his connections at LAI to procure the experimental fold booster and amplifier pods for them. Ozma will probably flip out when he learns that Mikhail flew into the middle of a combat zone with Ranka riding shotgun.
I think Mikhail and gang acted on their own with SMS knowledge, with Luca pulling his connections at LAI to procure the experimental fold booster and amplifier pods for them. Ozma will probably flip out when he learns that Mikhail flew into the middle of a combat zone with Ranka riding shotgun.
So, Mikhail gets pinapple salad from Ozma who in turn gets a taste himself from Klein when she finds out :heh: the plot thickens :D
But really, i hope we get to see some more romance between other characters, the small bits of OzmaXKathyXLeon and MikhialXKlein are being a bit pushed aside :(
Anh_Minh
2008-07-02, 05:00
I think Mikhail and gang acted on their own with SMS knowledge, with Luca pulling his connections at LAI to procure the experimental fold booster and amplifier pods for them. Ozma will probably flip out when he learns that Mikhail flew into the middle of a combat zone with Ranka riding shotgun.
I think the pods are Michel's. He totally looks the type to cruise around in his pimped ride, picking up chicks.
ReddyRedWolf
2008-07-02, 06:57
Ever wonder what happened to the original Bridge Bunnies?
How they proceeded their romantic lives after the events of Macross?
Well Gubaba at Macross World did some translations.
Okay...I'm planning a fuller translation of this, but some quick bits to start with. I managed to pick up a brand-spanking-new copy of the drama album, Macross 7 Docking Festival. It was new, but it had been sitting around for a long, long time, since it still has a little leaflet for how to get the "fire Bomber Galaxy Network Vol. 0" promo CD, which was an offer that I think expired in 1995.
Anyway, upon opening it, I discovered that it had a little mini-encyclopedia for Macross 7, including a rather large section on each of the original Bridge Bunnies (who show up on the album).
So as I said, I'm going to make a fuller translation of this, but for now, a little teaser...
In 2045:
a) Nyan Nyan is a chain restaurant all over earth and on many of the colony fleets, and the manager is Minmay's little cousin Yotchan.
b) Kim has a dog, and a one-person condo on Eden.
c) Vanessa worked as a hostess for a while, and ended up being the "Mama-san" at a club. She lives with her husband and three children in Macross City. (It doesn't say anything about it, but I guess they must have been among those hypnotized by Sharon Apple...that's kind of sad, isn't it?)
d) And Shammy has eleven kids and lives on the moon.
Poor Kim , so cats were rendered extinct by the Bodol Zer's bombardment huh?
Vanessa , erm... guess the influx of Zentrans created the market.
Shammy.... WTF! She's even more fertile than Millia?! I knew repopulation was priority but Wow...
CaptGloval
2008-07-02, 07:15
Hm, so they also survived Quamzin's attack? Oh well, I was wrong with Gloval... Don't get me wrong though, I'm glad they all survived.
Oh Shammy, haha! My sneaking suspicion was right all along! She's my favorite bridge bunny by the way.
Ever wonder what happened to the original
Shammy.... WTF! She's even more fertile than Millia?! I knew repopulation was priority but Wow...
Puts the word Bridgebunny in a whole new perspective :heh:
Wesley84
2008-07-02, 15:33
Catfight; is it going to happen? Yes or no? If so, who would you put your money on; Sheryl or Ranka?
Catfight; is it going to happen? Yes or no? If so, who would you put your money on; Sheryl or Ranka?
Nah, it'll never happen. Key events in the macross universe will preoccupy the girls such that they'll never get an opportunity for a catfight over Alto.
2008-07-03
Title: How do you look when you sleep? (They are actually asking "What do you wear when you sleep?" but Sheryl interprets it as being this.)
During a recent magazine interview I was asked a really strange question.
How do you look when you sleep?
Strange. Don't you think?
Are you interested in how I look when I sleep?
Anyways,
I just laughed and said that I usually look like the 大 character when I sleep.
Do people not normally sleep this way? Like a 大 character that is.
Sheryl
January 7, 2059
I just laughed and said that I usually look like the 大 character when I sleep.
Do people not normally sleep this way? Like a 大 character that is.
Sheryl
January 7, 2059
LOL that just strikes me as oddly adorable. :D
It just goes on to show that Sheryl has a terrible sleeping habit ;)
Her bed is especially big, I noticed.
Psst, Alto, take note.
- Tak
lone_wolf
2008-07-03, 07:48
2008-07-03
Title: How do you look when you sleep? (They are actually asking "What do you wear when you sleep?" but Sheryl interprets it as being this.)
During a recent magazine interview I was asked a really strange question.
How do you look when you sleep?
Strange. Don't you think?
Are you interested in how I look when I sleep?
Anyways,
I just laughed and said that I usually look like the 大 character when I sleep.
Do people not normally sleep this way? Like a 大 character that is.
Sheryl
January 7, 2059
Oh I haven't been keeping up with either of the blogs lately but that particular blog entry is hilarious.
Now I could imagine Sheryl actually sleeping like that. If she were to share a bed with Alto, she most likely kick him off the bed in the middle of the night. :heh:
And the fact that she brought up the character 大....it just seems fitting with the actual meaning of the character LOL.
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
CaptGloval
2008-07-03, 07:57
That position is called "Royal" I believe. It's from a saying IIRC that only the king could sleep on his back (signifying peace of mind). Kinda fits Queen Sheryl actually.
And... I wonder how does Alto sleep. Does he sleep like a "小" character? Which kind of goes nicely in between of the "大"?
:naughty:
- Tak
TwilightHack
2008-07-03, 08:08
And... I wonder how does Alto sleep. Does he sleep like a "小" character? Which kind of goes nicely in between of the "大"?
:naughty:
- Tak
Omg... that's just awesome.
lone_wolf
2008-07-03, 08:10
And... I wonder how does Alto sleep. Does he sleep like a "小" character? Which kind of goes nicely in between of the "大"?
:naughty:
- Tak
Omg LOL!!
Hmmm....Sheryl and Alto will have their own spin-off series entitled "Positions" or "Kamasutra":heh:
Oh, I could use that for the doujinshi title hahahaha!
LOL, I also just realized 小 is the character for "small" XD XD
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
lone_wolf
2008-07-03, 08:15
That position is called "Royal" I believe. It's from a saying IIRC that only the king could sleep on his back (signifying peace of mind). Kinda fits Queen Sheryl actually.
Well the character 大 translates to "BIG" so it fits LOL!
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
That position is called "Royal" I believe. It's from a saying IIRC that only the king could sleep on his back (signifying peace of mind). Kinda fits Queen Sheryl actually.
I think Sheryl is just saying her sleeping position looks like the 大 character. :heh: She was wondering if people also sleep the same way. That's just too cute, lol.
And... I wonder how does Alto sleep. Does he sleep like a "小" character? Which kind of goes nicely in between of the "大"?
LOL WIN.
Swampstorm
2008-07-03, 08:24
This latest Sheryl entry is awesome. I love it when she comes up with absurd ideas.
Did anyone actually manage to be able to read that mysterious Ranka entry from earlier, or did we skip it because was it just too garbled?
Omg LOL!!
Hmmm....Sheryl and Alto will have their own spin-off series entitled "Positions" or "Kamasutra":heh:
Oh, I could use that for the doujinshi title hahahaha!
LOL, I also just realized 小 is the character for "small" XD XD
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼Oddly enough, when this whole discussion started, I thought about you and your art from two very different perspectives, before and after Tak's post. :heh:
Anh_Minh
2008-07-03, 09:18
Omg LOL!!
Hmmm....Sheryl and Alto will have their own spin-off series entitled "Positions" or "Kamasutra":heh:
Oh, I could use that for the doujinshi title hahahaha!
LOL, I also just realized 小 is the character for "small" XD XD
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
"Kanji". Little Japanese kids will watch it, thinking it's an educational program about reading. Their poor virgin eyes.
swampstorm : You may be on to something when you said this about Sheryl:
Sometimes the secret to shining brightly involves not being the center of attention at all.
This is why I love Sheryl, honestly. Even in the underdog role, Sheryl's not gonna let something like that get the best out of her, she won't sit back and mope around even after her spectacular failure in the last episode. And that brief look of shock, then pain when she heard Alto's cry for Ranka, before pushing it aside and ordering everyone to save Ranka : I love how her character will be progressing.
It's also too early to say for Ranka, but I'm glad she's nowhere near the Minmei route (yet), but I'll have to watch the next episode once they rescue her.
It seems Alto and Ranka will grow closer and closer after she'll be rescued in the next episode.
But there will be no bastardizing of Sheryl's character, this, I am 100% sure. :) From this episode, it looks like she's settling comfortably in Misa's shoes (in the Sheryl way that is.)
Sheryl already has a lot of fans before she took a backseat in the romance department. I'm quite scared to see how her number of fans will be by the end of the series. :heh:
swampstorm :
Sheryl already has a lot of fans before she took a backseat in the romance department. I'm quite scared to see how her number of fans will be by the end of the series. :heh:
It'd be so much easier to like her/care less about the outcome if this wasn't so one-sided.
It'd be so much easier to like her/care less about the outcome if this wasn't so one-sided.
How is this one-sided?
- Tak
nanatsusaya
2008-07-04, 11:23
Interesting to see how MF romance speculations range from counting the blushes to comparing which laugh is louder :heh:
Interesting to see how MF romance speculations range from counting the blushes to comparing which laugh is louder :heh:
*Sigh* girls...
- Tak :heh:
Swampstorm
2008-07-04, 11:48
*Sigh* girls...
- Tak :heh:Guys do it too. It's just more likely to come out instead as "My laugh is bigger than your laugh," or "No ur Minmey!" :heh:
I think the biggest problem is that we don't really have anything new on the romance front to talk about. But I guess that it's high time that we were due for some action, anyways. :p
magnuskn
2008-07-04, 11:51
Guys do it too. It's just more likely to come out instead as "My laugh is bigger than your laugh," or "No ur Minmey!" :heh:
I think the biggest problem is that we don't really have anything new on the romance front to talk about. But I guess that we were due for some action, anyways. :p
Really? I thought the episode had plenty to talk about, although mostly it just was reinforcing what we already knew.
And we got to squash that SherylXMichael nonsense, which comes about from people not waiting for subs. :p
I think the biggest problem is that we don't really have anything new on the romance front to talk about. But I guess that it's high time that we were due for some action, anyways. :p
I guess I should just go er, play with my 大 & 小 characters... :naughty:
- Tak
Swampstorm
2008-07-04, 11:53
Really? I thought the episode had plenty to talk about, although mostly it just was reinforcing what we already knew.Yep, that was what I was getting at. :)
magnuskn
2008-07-04, 11:57
Yep, that was what I was getting at. :)
Oh, okay then. ^^
So, whaddaya think, is Michael now a SherylXAlto shipper or a AltoXRanka? :D
Oh, okay then. ^^
So, whaddaya think, is Michael now a SherylXAlto shipper or a AltoXRanka? :D
I'd like him to worry about his own problems with Quran first
- Tak
magnuskn
2008-07-04, 12:02
I'd like him to worry about his own problems with Quran first
- Tak
<g> So, how do you think that´ll go down? Genetic treatments for her to get over her micronization problem, or him going full Zentran for a good time? :p
And we got to squash that SherylXMichael nonsense, which comes about from people not waiting for subs. :p
I only started talking about SherylXMichael after seeing the subs :uhoh:
SymphonicRain
2008-07-04, 12:23
That would mean falling back to the point with additional reinforced statement: This is illogical nonsense.
It would seem those who supports this Michel X Sheryl flag happends to be Ranka X Alto flaggers from my impression, as a means to find an excuse to rid Sheryl out of the picture from the triangle.
I only started talking about SherylXMichael after seeing the subs :uhoh:
Michel is teasing her. He's very astute at seeing relationship stuff so I'm sure he's quite aware of Sheryl's feelings for Alto. Remember that it was him that first noticed why Sheryl kept hanging around Alto in ep 8. I figure he will either become a neutral party or become pro SherylxAlto as he seems them fumbling around each other.
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