Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[Daniani]

I was rather bothered with Lelouch in white in the ED and he has two shots while other characters only has ONE. There goes the same with black Suzaku. It may be lame. I just thought that it will be interesting if there is another "white Lelouch" different from Lelouch we know and he could be acquaintance with C.C. few hundred years back. Well, leave it to fantasy and fanfiction :heh:
Maybe the person showed in the right painting (in the Turn 15 preview.) :)

[Pink-chan]

Maybe the person showed in the right painting (in the Turn 15 preview.) :)

Someone in another forum pointed out that the guy (a soldier shown in the painting) was the one who shot C.C. on her head in a war where C.C. was running away trying to escape in her flashback of Stage 25. The paintings are all memories of C.C. past. The one on the extreme left: Sunflower scene was from Stage 1. Beside it, there is another familiar scene from one of the ED where C.C. was standing on that cliff looking afar. Did anyone notice anything else?

[mash11]

I think maybe he is or will become a refrain addict, he either got it for her from his personal stash or if she fights back and injects him with it introduces him to the beautiful world of high and all that come with it.

[Diedrupo]

It would be a terrible idea to reveal that Marianne was never dead. That'd be like Kill Bill: the main character goes around killing all of these people out of revenge because she thought her daughter was taken and killed, and it turns out in the end that the daughter was safe and sound with the father.

Lelouch started a war and has already killed two of his siblings and plans to kill even more of his family, and in the end, it was all for nothing because his mother was alive? Screw that.

[mash11]

and of course his sister never lost the use of her legs and can see, she was just faking it, if his mother was alive most likely she would be an enemy of sorts.

[ZeroSama]

and of course his sister never lost the use of her legs and can see, she was just faking it, if his mother was alive most likely she would be an enemy of sorts.

Yes and Charles, Marianne and Nunnally spent the last year playing happy families while Lulu was stuck in Ashford. Oh what fun.

[Diedrupo]

Yes and Charles, Marianne and Nunnally spent the last year playing happy families while Lulu was stuck in Ashford. Oh what fun.

Hah, that'd be so hilarious now that I think of it. It would still piss me off, but at the same time, it'd be ironically funny.

[KrimzonStriker]

Someone in another forum pointed out that the guy (a soldier shown in the painting) was the one who shot C.C. on her head in a war where C.C. was running away trying to escape in her flashback of Stage 25. The paintings are all memories of C.C. past. The one on the extreme left: Sunflower scene was from Stage 1. Beside it, there is another familiar scene from one of the ED where C.C. was standing on that cliff looking afar. Did anyone notice anything else?

Wow, I did not notice that at all, that's very interesting. Hopefully things will pan out well enough in Turn 15 after we get to know about her a little better. I'm looking forward to it even more now :)

[Diedrupo]

I wonder if Lelouch was mad at Orange for canceling Shirley's Geass effect.

I doubt he is. Only one person killed Shirley, and it wasn't Orange. Also, at this point, Lelouch has started to become more self-aware of the effects of his actions, so while yes, Orange un-geassing Shirley was a bad thing, ultimately Lelouch blames himself for what happened to Shirley.

Now that I think back to EP13, why did Orange go on a rampage in Ashford to find Lelouch if he was seeking to serve him? He could of walked in more nicely. Also, in the end of EP12, randomly using his Geass canceler near the location of Lelouch could lead to the death of Lelouch, he could of lied to V.V on that mission.

I think Orange, though he knew Lelouch was Zero, still did not yet know about Zero's true intentions. He probably thought Lelouch was doing this for the Elevens' sake. When Lelouch told him that he was doing this for Marianne's sake, that is when Orange had his heel turn moment.

I can't believe they saved Mao from multiple gunshots and got him up and running to kidnap Nunnally and couldn't save Shirley from 1 shot in the stomach.

It's because Lelouch geassed the cops to "shoot" not "kill", so they shot at Mao's arms and legs, not any vital spots. Shirley was shot in the chest.

[mash11]

Also do not forget the only ones he killed were his watchdogs, he avoided killing Sayoko and Rollo.

[Kaioshin Sama]

So if it hasn't been mentioned, the Geass websites Character Correlations underwent another massive update. Just listing it all will take some effort:

The biggest update is that Lelouch has splintered off from Zero and the rest of the Black Knights characters and now has a lot of arrows pointing at him including Jeremiah, Rolo, Viletta, Shirley, Rivalz and Sayoko. He has arrows pointing to the Geass cult and a link with Zero.

The Black Knights still have the leaderships arrow and feature Zero, Karen (captured), C.C (with an arrow talking about Geass pointing at Zero), Ougi, Todou, Asahina, Tamaki, Laksharta, Diethard, Kaguya and Sayoko.

The Black Knights have an arrow pointing at the former Chinese Federation from which the Eunuch's have been removed entirely. Tian Zi retains the friend arrow with Kaguya and Li and his two generals remain in the camp.

The Britannia section is huge and now overlaps on certain specially positioned characters into sub-factions and concerns.

The Imperial family section still maintains Charles at the top with an arrow towards Oddyseus, and one pointing towards the Geass cult and one at V.V as well. Schneizel maintains his leadership over Kanon and Nina (who has a purple barrier around her) and Carline and Guinevere are added. Cornelia is among them with an arrow pointed at the Geass cult. Clovis and Euphemia are still dead (obviously) and that's that.

The Imperial Family overlaps the Knight of Rounds which include Bismarck, Nonnete, Monica (Knight of Twelve) and Luciano (Knight of Ten). This section overlaps into Camelot which features Lloyd and Cecil.

The Knight of Round subsection also overlaps into Ashford academy with Anya, Gino and Suzaku and Ashford also features the spying network of Rolo and Viletta who are most definitely not among the Black Knights camp in this picture. The student section has been reduced to Rivalz as Shirely is shown as dead and Millay is graduated.

The Area 11 governance features Nunally with an arrow pointing back and forth between her and Suzaku, as well as Guilford, the Granstone knights and Rohmeyer, the latter three of which are under a banner that mentions Cornelia.

The Geass cult has Bartley dead, V.V is stated as alive and has an arrow pointed at Jeremiah who has an Orange box around his portrait and is still shown in the Geass cult camp.

Phew, all done.

[Captain Zechs]

Maybe Orange is a double-agent? *Shrug*

Mind posting the picture?

[Kristen]

Looking at Geass, I know that a lot of it seems to be following the plotline of 1984 by George Orwell. The tertiary of world powers, the lack of individual independence, and a rebel against all others. But as this rebel was going agaisnt the norm, it wound up that the government knew what he was doing all along. They knew who he is and why he was doing it (See: Emporer).
I mean, the parrelels are just all too clear.

Lelouche=Winston (Rebel just falling into a path dictated to him)
Emporer=O'Brien (Understood what was going on the whole time)
V.V.=Big Brother (Always there watching you, but never seen until now)

The character missing is Julia. C.C. and Kallen I think BOTH portray this role in parts. They have both dragged out the rebel in Lelouche, they both have sparked him, and they both seem like they will eventually betray him. Kallen is moreso because she's the female love icon, C.C. moreso because she's the one to first spark Lelouche.


I've seen too many 1984 references to deny it any longer. This is using the same general ideas, but in a very altered way.

Now, using the logic of 1984, here's what I think is going to happen:

1. There is going to be another weird episode like that "Island of God" in S1.
2. Lelouche is captured. He remains captured for a few episodes. He will be tortured, but he will eventually submit to the emporer.
3. Lelouche is on Brittania's side. He works to destroy the Order of the Black Nights.
4. Lelouche is getting close, and C.C. realizes what is happening. She tells him her wish, which was to destroy his father
5. He will not obey. C.C. shoots him, and he dies.

[Isegrim]

Too easy. What's the point in copying a famous novel? You can say the whole subplot about refrain is "inspired" by John Brunner's "The Dreaming Earth", a SF-novel published in the 70s. As you say, "same ideas but in a very altered way" - we could go on for days making wild assumptions. For example, comparing him to Ragle Gumm (Philip K. Dick's "Time out of Joint").

@relation chart: It's like that since Monday. There are only 2 changes compared to last week, Shirley <-> Rolo (殺害, murder), Lelouch <-> Jeremiah (which I don't know, little white kanji on yellow background, great to read ;) )

[Aquaman OS]

I wonder if Lelouch was mad at Orange for canceling Shirley's Geass effect.

I'd think he'd be more upset at Jeremiah almost single handedly ruining the Black Rebellion for him by preventing him from capturing Cornelia and forcing C.C. to have to let Lelouch face Kallen and Suzaku on his own. If neither of those had happen he might have won at the end of season 1 and everything would have been different.

But Lelouch seems touched that someone actually still remembers and is loyal to his mother so he probably was willing to over look that.

[C.A.]

Maybe Orange is a double-agent? *Shrug*

Mind posting the picture?
http://geass.jp/correlative.html

[bladeofdarkness]

the lines between
1)zero to kallen
2)c.c to zero
can someone translate the white writing

[Mr.Mo]

Looking at Geass, I know that a lot of it seems to be following the plotline of 1984 by George Orwell. The tertiary of world powers, the lack of individual independence, and a rebel against all others. But as this rebel was going agaisnt the norm, it wound up that the government knew what he was doing all along. They knew who he is and why he was doing it (See: Emporer).
I mean, the parrelels are just all too clear.

Lelouche=Winston (Rebel just falling into a path dictated to him)
Emporer=O'Brien (Understood what was going on the whole time)
V.V.=Big Brother (Always there watching you, but never seen until now)

The character missing is Julia. C.C. and Kallen I think BOTH portray this role in parts. They have both dragged out the rebel in Lelouche, they both have sparked him, and they both seem like they will eventually betray him. Kallen is moreso because she's the female love icon, C.C. moreso because she's the one to first spark Lelouche.


I've seen too many 1984 references to deny it any longer. This is using the same general ideas, but in a very altered way.

Now, using the logic of 1984, here's what I think is going to happen:

1. There is going to be another weird episode like that "Island of God" in S1.
2. Lelouche is captured. He remains captured for a few episodes. He will be tortured, but he will eventually submit to the emporer.
3. Lelouche is on Brittania's side. He works to destroy the Order of the Black Nights.
4. Lelouche is getting close, and C.C. realizes what is happening. She tells him her wish, which was to destroy his father
5. He will not obey. C.C. shoots him, and he dies.

LMAO. Just no. I will quit watching this show if it comes near number 2.

[Diedrupo]

LMAO. Just no. I will quit watching this show if it comes near number 2.

:confused: But he's already been captured?

[morbosfist]

He hasn't been captured in the traditional sense. He's free to move and there's no one but the Emperor in his way. It's more like he's caught in a trap and has the chance to free himself.

[Methuselah]

But...but where is the part about Kratos? o.O But anyways, I doubt that we get to see much of the World of C-Craft than the platform of the temple Lelouch is stepping on.

[AlphaDragoon]

Action Mom tears his Albion into pieces and flicks him away with her old school Knightmare. Complete pwnage. :heh:

Marianne would wtfpwn Suzaku.

If they made her alive and that happened I would never, EVER stop laughing. :heh:

[morbosfist]

If she comes back to life/is still alive, I wonder how she'll feel about Nina messing with her Knightmare.

[bran]

I wonder how she'll feel about Nina messing with her Knightmare.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r304/shinji_loves/Evangelion_the_end_by_GATX103AP.jpg

[C.A.]

the lines between
1)zero to kallen
2)c.c to zero
can someone translate the white writing1)direct subordinate
2)gave geass to

I tried doing a full translation just now but got too tedious and i gave up:heh:.

[SonOfHeaven]

I hope none of that reference to 1984 happens in CG. Lelouch wanting to destroy the BK's wouldn't be right.

[Silver Soul]

Marianne would wtfpwn Suzaku.

If they made her alive and that happened I would never, EVER stop laughing. :heh:

.....yeah he would pwn him.....at making pizza! :heh: Other than that who knows for sure, she's dead let her stay that way

[Var]

.....yeah he would pwn him.....at making pizza! :heh: Other than that who knows for sure, she's dead let her stay that way

Marianne is an idol to Cornelia, Cornelia herself is an exceptional pilot being able to combat the Guren in an inferior frame. Marianne in a real frame would likely wipe the floor with everyone aside from Bismark.

If we go by Arthurian legends, also, Galahad cannot be bested by the sinner Lancelot.

[Asleep]

I wonder if like Suzaku, Marianne's abilities had some supernatural reason...

[Kristen]

Too easy. What's the point in copying a famous novel? You can say the whole subplot about refrain is "inspired" by John Brunner's "The Dreaming Earth", a SF-novel published in the 70s. As you say, "same ideas but in a very altered way" - we could go on for days making wild assumptions. For example, comparing him to Ragle Gumm (Philip K. Dick's "Time out of Joint").

@relation chart: It's like that since Monday. There are only 2 changes compared to last week, Shirley <-> Rolo (殺害, murder), Lelouch <-> Jeremiah (which I don't know, little white kanji on yellow background, great to read ;) )

I think that copying a famous novel and twisting it around is an idea almost every story in existence has done. There's a theory I heard of a little while ago that there are only 7 original story lines in the universe. Everything else is just twisting it around to fit a different scenario.

There are undeniable links to 1984. The 3 world power system is what is really getting to me. But, there are parallels to characters, and considering that Lelouche was captured, it's even more so. But, look at the ED. That is Lelouche and Suzaku both smiling and happy, holding hands. Considering that Shirley is shown as an angel, it is likely that a lot of what's in the ED will happen. AKA, Suzaku/Lelouche will side up. And I see Lelouche switching sides more than I do Suzaku. And since this is the O'Brien situation, I think it is possible that the parrallels will continue.

[Silver Soul]

I think that copying a famous novel and twisting it around is an idea almost every story in existence has done. There's a theory I heard of a little while ago that there are only 7 original story lines in the universe. Everything else is just twisting it around to fit a different scenario.

There are undeniable links to 1984. The 3 world power system is what is really getting to me. But, there are parallels to characters, and considering that Lelouche was captured, it's even more so. But, look at the ED. That is Lelouche and Suzaku both smiling and happy, holding hands. Considering that Shirley is shown as an angel, it is likely that a lot of what's in the ED will happen. AKA, Suzaku/Lelouche will side up. And I see Lelouche switching sides more than I do Suzaku. And since this is the O'Brien situation, I think it is possible that the parrallels will continue.

All plausible it's just that you can't get much interpertation from the ED as a whole, however if there is a third side who we forge it (Nunnally?) since Lelouch would have to join but this doesn't spell to good for the BK

[Seazn]

I think that copying a famous novel and twisting it around is an idea almost every story in existence has done. There's a theory I heard of a little while ago that there are only 7 original story lines in the universe. Everything else is just twisting it around to fit a different scenario.

There are undeniable links to 1984. The 3 world power system is what is really getting to me. But, there are parallels to characters, and considering that Lelouche was captured, it's even more so. But, look at the ED. That is Lelouche and Suzaku both smiling and happy, holding hands. Considering that Shirley is shown as an angel, it is likely that a lot of what's in the ED will happen. AKA, Suzaku/Lelouche will side up. And I see Lelouche switching sides more than I do Suzaku. And since this is the O'Brien situation, I think it is possible that the parrallels will continue.

Disregard the EDs. Euphemia was shown in the first R2 ED, but she never made a show. The EDs just show random CLAMP artwork of all/most the main characters.

[Kristen]

Disregard the EDs. Euphemia was shown in the first R2 ED, but she never made a show. The EDs just show random CLAMP artwork of all/most the main characters.

Note that she was sleeping in it. Sleeping=Symbol of Death. Just like in the second ED, the only angel was Shirley, others just had fake wings.

[Witacume]

I think that copying a famous novel and twisting it around is an idea almost every story in existence has done. There's a theory I heard of a little while ago that there are only 7 original story lines in the universe. Everything else is just twisting it around to fit a different scenario.

There are undeniable links to 1984. The 3 world power system is what is really getting to me. But, there are parallels to characters, and considering that Lelouche was captured, it's even more so. But, look at the ED. That is Lelouche and Suzaku both smiling and happy, holding hands. Considering that Shirley is shown as an angel, it is likely that a lot of what's in the ED will happen. AKA, Suzaku/Lelouche will side up. And I see Lelouche switching sides more than I do Suzaku. And since this is the O'Brien situation, I think it is possible that the parrallels will continue.

Well in philosophy they say all other philosophies are a footnote to Plato's
I would say something similiar, all stories are a footnote to homer.

[Seazn]

Note that she was sleeping in it. Sleeping=Symbol of Death. Just like in the second ED, the only angel was Shirley, others just had fake wings.

You're thinking too much T_T

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

And I see Lelouche switching sides more than I do Suzaku. And since this is the O'Brien situation, I think it is possible that the parrallels will continue.

For what purpose though? I suppose I can imagine that the truth about Marianne/Charles and all that might make him regret having choosen his path up until now, especially if he realizes that Charle's path was in the end the better one, sorta - which would make him tru to seek to return to his old path - as Lelouch vi Britannia, sorta. Or perhaps later on in the series, Nunnally will (As Silver Soul speculated) one way or another becomes a factor that makes Lelouch join up with the Britannians instead... Still, things are rather vauge here. We can have several scenarios happening that would explain both the OP and Ending (assuming we're to take'em litterally), including:

1. An alliance somehow occurs between the Area 11 Britannian faction and the OotBK.
2. The OotBK betrays/abandons Lelouch, leaving him wirth little choice but to return to his Vi Britannia persona to be able to affect the upcoming events and protect Nunnally.
3. Lelouch abandons the OotBK, retakes his Vi Britannia persona and joins the Area 11 faction and contributes to defeating his own OotBK/UN alliance, maybe persauding some of the defeated ones into joining the Area 11 faction.
4. Events in future/upcoming episodes provokes forth defections among the Britannians, resulting into the Area 11 faction mostly joining the OotBK

[morbosfist]

Lelouch going back to his Britannian roots seems unlikely. Even if the Emperor was unhappy about Marianne being killed, their ideals are fundamentally opposed.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Lelouch going back to his Britannian roots seems unlikely. Even if the Emperor was unhappy about Marianne being killed, their ideals are fundamentally opposed.

See above: he might find out that the emperor wasn't so bad all along and he mgiht actually have done his best to protect both Lelouch and Nunnally from V.V.'s influence by his actions so far, among other things.

Besides, if the Emperor were to die from this encounter or even later on and a civil war or the like becomes the result, Lelouch forming his own faction together with Nunnally and Suzaku and the res tof the gang might not be too far-fetched - indeed, that way he could even offer Suzaku what he wants: The KoO status...

[geewhiz]

For what purpose though? I suppose I can imagine that the truth about Marianne/Charles and all that might make him regret having choosen his path up until now, especially if he realizes that Charle's path was in the end the better one, sorta - which would make him tru to seek to return to his old path - as Lelouch vi Britannia, sorta. Or perhaps later on in the series, Nunnally will (As Silver Soul speculated) one way or another becomes a factor that makes Lelouch join up with the Britannians instead... Still, things are rather vauge here. We can have several scenarios happening that would explain both the OP and Ending (assuming we're to take'em litterally), including:

1. An alliance somehow occurs between the Area 11 Britannian faction and the OotBK.
2. The OotBK betrays/abandons Lelouch, leaving him wirth little choice but to return to his Vi Britannia persona to be able to affect the upcoming events and protect Nunnally.
3. Lelouch abandons the OotBK, retakes his Vi Britannia persona and joins the Area 11 faction and contributes to defeating his own OotBK/UN alliance, maybe persauding some of the defeated ones into joining the Area 11 faction.
4. Events in future/upcoming episodes provokes forth defections among the Britannians, resulting into the Area 11 faction mostly joining the OotBK

Lelouch going back to his Britannian roots seems unlikely. Even if the Emperor was unhappy about Marianne being killed, their ideals are fundamentally opposed.

I agree that Lelouch may eventually abandon his Lamperouge identity for his Vi Brittannia one, but that'll not happen any time soon.

One factor I've explored is the possibility of Cornelia confronting and "killing" Zero (with CC of course masquerading). If done privately that might partially wrap up Cornelia's plotline, if publicly it'll allow Lelouch to operate more freely.

And I like how the staff has written Nunnally's character to be less dependent and stronger mentally in R2 than the previous season. That's made her into one of my favorite characters now, and I think she'll live through this season and make some tough decisions along the way. I also think her crippled state or blindness (or both) might possibly be cured somehow by Turn 25. That'd be nice.

[yezhanquan]

I agree that Lelouch may eventually abandon his Lamperouge identity for his Vi Brittannia one, but that'll not happen any time soon.

One factor I've explored is the possibility of Cornelia confronting and "killing" Zero (with CC of course masquerading). If done privately that might partially wrap up Cornelia's plotline, if publicly it'll allow Lelouch to operate more freely.

And I like how the staff has written Nunnally's character to be less dependent and stronger mentally in R2 than the previous season. That's made her into one of my favorite characters now, and I think she'll live through this season and make some tough decisions along the way. I also think her crippled state or blindness (or both) might possibly be cured somehow by Turn 25. That'd be nice.

Nunnally never struck me as very soft. She seems that way because Lulu protects her better than a "bubble" for the "bubble boy". Also, she's a year older now, and she has been wise beyond her years. Give her a chance to prove herself, and she can do great things. Naive, yes, but her skills of persuasion isn't that far away from Lulu's own.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I agree that Lelouch may eventually abandon his Lamperouge identity for his Vi Brittannia one, but that'll not happen any time soon.

True, probably not at this time. But later, maybe...

One factor I've explored is the possibility of Cornelia confronting and "killing" Zero (with CC of course masquerading). If done privately that might partially wrap up Cornelia's plotline, if publicly it'll allow Lelouch to operate more freely.

Heh, now that's an interesting scenario. Still, I dunno how much good it's going to do considering that Zero is now more of a symbol than an idol, sorta. Still, it might be effective enough to fool the public and perhaps make Suzaku doubt his suspicions about Lelouch as Zero so far... It would also make it so much harder to prove that Lelouch is actually Zero, so any accusations would be void and null... :heh:

And I like how the staff has written Nunnally's character to be less dependent and stronger mentally in R2 than the previous season. That's made her into one of my favorite characters now, and I think she'll live through this season and make some tough decisions along the way. I also think her crippled state or blindness (or both) might possibly be cured somehow by Turn 25. That'd be nice.

Agreed, I like what they've done with her character so far, her having become more independent, having her own dream as well as the guts to move on her own...

[morbosfist]

See above: he might find out that the emperor wasn't so bad all along and he mgiht actually have done his best to protect both Lelouch and Nunnally from V.V.'s influence by his actions so far, among other things.

Besides, if the Emperor were to die from this encounter or even later on and a civil war or the like becomes the result, Lelouch forming his own faction together with Nunnally and Suzaku and the res tof the gang might not be too far-fetched - indeed, that way he could even offer Suzaku what he wants: The KoO status...Even so, Charles' views of inequality and inherent superiority clash with Lelouch. Barring the Emperor's death, which is unlikely at best, he would not aid the Emperor.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Even so, Charles' views of inequality and inherent superiority clash with Lelouch. Barring the Emperor's death, which is unlikely at best, he would not aid the Emperor.

Hey, I never said that he'd aid the emperor (which is a VERY small possiiblity in the first place), but that he'd join to further his own purposes, sorta. Also, one wonders if the emperors talk about inequality is really true - or if that's just his "offical face" speaking (similar to how Zero is supposed to be all about peace and justice, sorta).

[morbosfist]

Secretly aiding him to defeat the gods I could see, though it seems to me that, logically, they'd end up on the other side of that little divide as well.

I see the next episode maybe ironing out some of their issues, but creating bigger ones with Charles' larger goals.

[aanglere]

An intelligent speculation from a 4channer? Surely you jest...

"C.C. is communicating with three people over the course of the series. One uses "anata" when talking with her (Marianne), another uses "kimi" (V.V.) and the final uses "omae". This final person is Charles, who spoke with C.C. twice in R2 - the first time he was teasing her for being jealous when Shirley dots on Lelouch, the second time in Sunday's episode when C.C. asks what his next move will be."

[Witacume]

An intelligent speculation from a 4channer? Surely you jest...

"C.C. is communicating with three people over the course of the series. One uses "anata" when talking with her (Marianne), another uses "kimi" (V.V.) and the final uses "omae". This final person is Charles, who spoke with C.C. twice in R2 - the first time he was teasing her for being jealous when Shirley dots on Lelouch, the second time in Sunday's episode when C.C. asks what his next move will be."

That would be crazy. But i doubt that. But still i kinda like it

[Rising Dragon]

I dunno, to me that kinda makes sense... as in the past, it was the four of them together... Charles, Marianne, V.V., and C.C..

[Jestersage]

For some reason, I am beginning to see V.V., C.C., Marianne, and Charles as the Patriots, with Lelouch our Solid snake

[SonOfHeaven]

For some reason, I am beginning to see V.V., C.C., Marianne, and Charles as the Patriots, with Lelouch our Solid snake

Could be the case. Hopefully episode 15 clears up some of these mysteries.

Off topic- MGS4 is too good.

[geewhiz]

For some reason, I am beginning to see V.V., C.C., Marianne, and Charles as the Patriots, with Lelouch our Solid snake
Strangely, I wouldn't mind that...but only so long as CC's secretly making sure that at least one of 'em's being played.

[Diedrupo]

Even so, Charles' views of inequality and inherent superiority clash with Lelouch. Barring the Emperor's death, which is unlikely at best, he would not aid the Emperor.

Do you seriously think Lelouch feels strongly about those views? No, all this entire time he's only been fighting for Nunally and avenging his mother. He formed the black knights as his way of doing this, but obviously he needed to pretend to support an ideal in order to get them to help him - that ideal being to fight against inequality and to establish a new country (all really for Nunally).

He's demonstrated a few times that he does not really care about this goal. He cares about those close to him, but the ideals take a backseat to his true motivation. After all, what was the whole point of the Black Rebellion at the end of S1? Was it to establish a new country with its headquarters in Tokyo? No, it was to finally capture, extract information from, and then kill Cornelia.

Lelouch has already been compared to Charles by people in the show (V.V. I believe?), if anything he would fake a bond with Charles so that he could later usurp him.

[LelouchGeass]

Do you seriously think Lelouch feels strongly about those views? No, all this entire time he's only been fighting for Nunally and avenging his mother. He formed the black knights as his way of doing this, but obviously he needed to pretend to support an ideal in order to get them to help him - that ideal being to fight against inequality and to establish a new country (all really for Nunally).

He's demonstrated a few times that he does not really care about this goal. He cares about those close to him, but the ideals take a backseat to his true motivation. After all, what was the whole point of the Black Rebellion at the end of S1? Was it to establish a new country with its headquarters in Tokyo? No, it was to finally capture, extract information from, and then kill Cornelia.

Lelouch has already been compared to Charles by people in the show (V.V. I believe?), if anything he would fake a bond with Charles so that he could later usurp him.

The bond thing won't work, seeing as how just coming back to daddy after screwing up so much of Brittania wont really make him be forgiven.

Althought im not sure what he meant, but he literally said his rebellion isnt for just Nunally anymore showing that he does still have care. It was that episode where Nunally annouced the SAR.

[morbosfist]

Lelouch has openly stated his contempt for the regime that abandoned him and his sister as weaklings. Charles' views clash with the core of Lelouch's beliefs, which in turn fuel his motivations. Even faking a bond is almost out of the question.

[yezhanquan]

Come 15, Charles may reveal something which will shake Lulu to his core.

[morbosfist]

More like will, given what his words in the previous episode imply, but I don't think it will change Lelouch's mind.

[LelouchGeass]

Come 15, Charles may reveal something which will shake Lulu to his core.


I hope its not tat C.C is working for him. I dont get how he could be the third person that C.C. is talking to which kinda implies there working together. Then again this is all a theory. Its kinda freaking me out how Ep 15 is revolving around C.C. though which is gonna bring some dark info about her.

[Hari Michiru]

I hope its not tat C.C is working for him. I dont get how he could be the third person that C.C. is talking to which kinda implies there working together. Then again this is all a theory. Its kinda freaking me out how Ep 15 is revolving around C.C. though which is gonna bring some dark info about her.

Maybe 15 will reveal C.C.'s wish in the contract.

[Marsala]

I hope its not tat C.C is working for him. I dont get how he could be the third person that C.C. is talking to which kinda implies there working together. Then again this is all a theory. Its kinda freaking me out how Ep 15 is revolving around C.C. though which is gonna bring some dark info about her.

C.C. has talked to V.V., and it's pretty certain that they aren't working together. Her relationship with Charles is probably similar to her relationship with V.V.

[Ledgem]

Come 15, Charles may reveal something which will shake Lulu to his core.
There's a big possibility for it. I think that revealing something about Marianne (Lelouch's mother) could take the series for a big turn. We don't really know a lot about her - she was looked up to by many people, she knows C.C. and seemed to have bonded with her, and we saw a flashback of her with a Knightmare (one of Jeremiah's flashbacks of her). What was she up to, why was she killed? Given that there's talk of killing the gods I can only wonder if she'd discovered some way to become a god(dess) herself by being killed. Don't forget, the requested that she guards around her be dispersed on the day of her death, so she clearly was up to something.

It's just speculation either way. Even though Britannia's ideals seem intrinsically evil to most of us, we're starting to see that Charles may not be the pure bad guy we were thinking of. Wanting to purge the world's lies doesn't seem so bad. Britannia's actions aren't so hot, but Lelouch's actions aren't always pure, either (in fact, they're frequently pretty vile as well). And that's what makes this series so gripping. There's good and bad, and all characters seem to flip between varying degrees of the two.

[Kang Seung Jae]

And about Nina's mushroom cloud in Tokyo in like... Turn 18? Turn 18 will be on air on August 10th. Hiroshima was nuked on August 6th, and Nagasaki was nuked on August 9th. I don't think they would be too happy about seeing nuke on the next day of their memorial day. It's like blowing up twin skyscrapers on Sept. 12th in the US. Sunrise would have to be very dense or very brave to air this stuff. *sweatdrop*

Does the nuke actually have to cause a nuclear explosion?

[Koshimizu]

An intelligent speculation from a 4channer? Surely you jest...

"C.C. is communicating with three people over the course of the series. One uses "anata" when talking with her (Marianne), another uses "kimi" (V.V.) and the final uses "omae". This final person is Charles, who spoke with C.C. twice in R2 - the first time he was teasing her for being jealous when Shirley dots on Lelouch, the second time in Sunday's episode when C.C. asks what his next move will be."So very intelligent 4channer. That's simply ripped from this thread, in the discussion last night.
If you're in for speculations, why not dig this thread first?

[yezhanquan]

Does the nuke actually have to cause a nuclear explosion?

Another failed experiment, you mean? In that case, Nina really fails @ life.

[Captain Zechs]

So very intelligent 4channer. That's simply ripped from this thread, in the discussion last night.
If you're in for speculations, why not dig this thread first?

I think he meant it came from a 4channer...

But yes, it was ripped indeed.

Very good speculation though, I kind of want it to be Charles, the thought of him teasing C.C. about Lelouch makes me happy.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Again, we have Kang's Speculations. This time I'm going for only 50% accuracy (you'll see why):



1. The Union of Nations is formed, and attacks Area 11 (duh)

2. Ohgi learns the truth of Zero, and Diethard holds Villetta hostage to stop the info from leaking.

3. Near the end of the Second Battle of Tokyo , Suzaku, while fighting OoBK, uses Nina's nuke because our Einstein told him that it was just a "stronger" weapon. Asahina manages to partly disable it so that it doesn't go nuclear, but dies in the process.

4. Due to the defeat in Area 11, a coup is attempted in Britannia, centering on Guinevere and Odysseus. This expands in to a Britannian civil war.

5. V.V. sides with the rebels.

6. The truth about Zero is leaked, and this leads to Lelouch being "kicked out" of the Union of Nations. OoBK splits into pro-Lelouch and anti-Lelouch.

7. The world is engulfed in a world war, as four factors fight each other.

8. Schneizel manages to defeat the rebels, killing the ringleaders. This wipes out most of the heirs to the throne, leaving Schneizel almost unopposed.

9. Charles, fed up with the world, activates the Sword of Akasha, starting Ragnorok.

10. As a side effect of the activation of the Sword, C.C. and V.V. lose their powers.

11. Schneizel kills Charles, and takes the throne. Charles, however, manages to tell Lelouch part of the truth of the past before passing on.

12. The final conflict is between Lelouch and Schneizel.

13. Lelouch wins, and brings forth a new world, which is similar to what Charles had in mind.

14. Suzaku manages to view this new world, but cannot enjoy it.

15. Bismarck, however, is alive to see his Lord's wish come true.





I'll link this in my sig.

[yezhanquan]

Whoa.... Lots of nasty stuff there, Kang.

[Used Can]

Has the whole deal about Zero's truth being leaked or C.C. losing her powers and memories been confirmed, or are those still counted as random speculation?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Has the whole deal about Zero's truth being leaked or C.C. losing her powers and memories been confirmed, or are those still counted as random speculation?

Read the fifth word of the post.



Also, I never do things randomly.

[Used Can]

My point was, what do you base those speculations on? Didn't the whole deal with Nina and the nuke came on the same set of "spoilers" the ones I mentioned did? If they haven't been confirmed, I guess I can call them random speculation (by the way, by "random speculation" I was talking about that set of "spoilers" not about your post).

Although well, Einstein + nuke does make some sense.

[Kang Seung Jae]

My point was, what do you base those speculations on? Didn't the whole deal with Nina and the nuke came on the same set of "spoilers" the ones I mentioned did? If they haven't been confirmed, I guess I can call them random speculation.

Although well, Einstein + nuke does make some sense.

The nuke speculation has been around ever since the end of R1.


As for what I "base" my speculations on..... canon info, legends, the wild speculations on the net, and my brain.

[Witacume]

The nuke speculation has been around ever since the end of R1.


As for what I "base" my speculations on..... canon info, legends, the wild speculations on the net, and my brain.

I base my speculation on my pure kickass intelligence.

And thats some crazy stuff, Crazy but i like it!

[Kang Seung Jae]

I base my speculation on my pure kickass intelligence.

And not on actual info from the anime? :heh:

[yezhanquan]

The nuke speculation has been around ever since the end of R1.


As for what I "base" my speculations on..... canon info, legends, the wild speculations on the net, and my brain.

Well, come August and September, we'll see how much of it is correct...

I heard that eps. 24 and 25 will be delayed for a later period. Is it true?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Well, come August and September, we'll see how much of it is correct...

Well, I am going for only 50%, because even I believe I'm going a bit too far here ;)

[Witacume]

And not on actual info from the anime? :heh:

Only on Tuesdays my friend and unfortunately its Wednesday now. Anyways i like the stuff said, And anything on Kallen my friend.

[yezhanquan]

Well, I am going for only 50%, because even I believe I'm going a bit too far here ;)

:heh: Even if only half of it comes true, it will be kick-ass.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Only on Tuesdays my friend and unfortunately its Wednesday now. Anyways i like the stuff said, And anything on Kallen my friend.

She'll be (and already is) Lelouch's "Knight".

[morbosfist]

The first half only seems likely, and even that is a bit unbelievable. Suzaku's not a complete moron and logically would know that Nina tried to nuke Tokyo once. Asahina, in addition, is not an explosives expert. Odysseus couldn't gather the nerve to order troops to aid Cornelia during the Black Rebellion. Staging his own is out of the question. Beyond that, it just seems unlikely. The gods have to come into play, C.C.'s wish has to be fulfilled, etc.

[Witacume]

She'll be (and already is) Lelouch's "Knight".

I hope so my friend. This next episode is giving me chills because i know the next episode gives hope or breaks CCxLelouch. So the next episode is key. As the biggest rival might be done with. We shall see.
I also see the Opening changing the animation around episode 19. I want to predict that!

[Kang Seung Jae]

Odysseus couldn't gather the nerve to order troops to aid Cornelia during the Black Rebellion. Staging his own is out of the question.

Perhaps you forgot Guinevere?

[Koshimizu]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_486370.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/486370.jpg)
Midorikawa (Xingke's VA): Xingke is fully devoted into fighting for Tianzi. It's pure and flawless. His subordinates, Xianglin and Hongu are comarades who share this feeling with him. I want to know more about their past.

Hoshi (Gino's VA): Although Gino becaome good friends with Suzaku, he doesn't touch the sticky part of Suzaku's character. That's probably Gino's style.

Madono (Ougi's VA): Ougi and Villetta's reunion brings a serious situation upon them. Last time he was shot by a gun, this time again... I was thinking, why is fate so cruel to him? So I asked director Taniguchi. And he replied, it's because our impression of Ougi is "love at the Showa Era."
("Love at the Showa Era"- traditional, sad yet romantic... methinks.)

Madono stood up for his character! :D Nice guy.

Question: What's the future (about your character) like in your minds?

Midorikawa (Xingke's VA): Xingke is going to die sooner or later. I hope he doesn't die in a battle, but by Tianzi's side. Is this like a girl's way of thinking? (laughs) I'm a peace lover, and would avoid battle if possible. But Code Geass is Taniguchi's production. You never now. Maybe Xingke is the survival in the couple. You just can't let your guard down until the last minute.

Madono (Ougi's VA): I'm anxious to see if Ougi's love ends in "昭和枯れすすき (http://www15.plala.or.jp/hiroiosa/index-ikinuki-mysong-showakaresusuki.htm) (Showa Era Withering Grass, a top hit song about tragic love)" style. Well, a happy ending seems too hard to meet. If only Chigusa can play the role as a wife, and support Ougi through his hardships in the Ootbk...

Hoshi (Gino's VA): I'm anxious to see how Gino plays an active role in the future, and the ending of Code Geass. It's heading toward a climax, and it's time for everything to unfold. Since it's Taniguchi's production, the ending will definitely be splandid. Pleas look forward to it!

[Witacume]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_486370.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/486370.jpg)
Hoshi (Gino's VA): Although Gino becaome good friends with Suzaku, he doesn't touch the sticky part of his character. That's probably Gino's style.

Madono (Ougi's VA): Ougi and Villetta's reunion brings a serious situation upon them. Last time he was shot by a gun, this time again... I was thinking, why is he so unfortunate? So I asked director Taniguchi. And he replied, it's because our impression of Ougi is "love at the Showa Era."
("Love at the Showa Era"- traditional, sad yet romantic... methinks.)

Madono stood up for his character! :D Nice guy.

Question: What's the future (about your character) like in your minds?

Midorikawa (Xingke's VA): Xingke is going to die sooner or later. I hope he doesn't die in a battle, but by Tianzi's side. Is this like a girl's way of thinking? (laughs) I'm a peace lover, and would avoid battle if possible. But Code Geass is Taniguchi's production. You never now. Maybe Xingke is the survival in the couple. You just can't let your guard down until the last minute.

Madono (Ougi's VA): I'm anxious to see if Ougi's love ends in "昭和枯れすすき (http://www15.plala.or.jp/hiroiosa/index-ikinuki-mysong-showakaresusuki.htm) (Showa Era Withering Grass, a top hit song about tragic love)" style. Well, I can still hope what waits ahead is a happy ending.

Wow that is interesting good stuff Kosh!
I hope Ougi gets some lovin. Any news about our dear friend Lelouch?

[yezhanquan]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_486370.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/486370.jpg)
Hoshi (Gino's VA): Although Gino becaome good friends with Suzaku, he doesn't touch the sticky part of his character. That's probably Gino's style.

Madono (Ougi's VA): Ougi and Villetta's reunion brings a serious situation upon them. Last time he was shot by a gun, this time again... I was thinking, why is fate so cruel to him? So I asked director Taniguchi. And he replied, it's because our impression of Ougi is "love at the Showa Era."
("Love at the Showa Era"- traditional, sad yet romantic... methinks.)

Madono stood up for his character! :D Nice guy.

Question: What's the future (about your character) like in your minds?

Midorikawa (Xingke's VA): Xingke is going to die sooner or later. I hope he doesn't die in a battle, but by Tianzi's side. Is this like a girl's way of thinking? (laughs) I'm a peace lover, and would avoid battle if possible. But Code Geass is Taniguchi's production. You never now. Maybe Xingke is the survival in the couple. You just can't let your guard down until the last minute.

Madono (Ougi's VA): I'm anxious to see if Ougi's love ends in "昭和枯れすすき (http://www15.plala.or.jp/hiroiosa/index-ikinuki-mysong-showakaresusuki.htm) (Showa Era Withering Grass, a top hit song about tragic love)" style. Well, a happy ending seems too hard to meet.

I'm actually more interested in Hoshi-san. Did he say anything more on Gino?

[Jestersage]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_486370.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/486370.jpg)
Hoshi (Gino's VA): Although Gino becaome good friends with Suzaku, he doesn't touch the sticky part of his character. That's probably Gino's style.

Madono (Ougi's VA): Ougi and Villetta's reunion brings a serious situation upon them. Last time he was shot by a gun, this time again... I was thinking, why is fate so cruel to him? So I asked director Taniguchi. And he replied, it's because our impression of Ougi is "love at the Showa Era."
("Love at the Showa Era"- traditional, sad yet romantic... methinks.)

Madono stood up for his character! :D Nice guy.

Question: What's the future (about your character) like in your minds?

Midorikawa (Xingke's VA): Xingke is going to die sooner or later. I hope he doesn't die in a battle, but by Tianzi's side. Is this like a girl's way of thinking? (laughs) I'm a peace lover, and would avoid battle if possible. But Code Geass is Taniguchi's production. You never now. Maybe Xingke is the survival in the couple. You just can't let your guard down until the last minute.

Madono (Ougi's VA): I'm anxious to see if Ougi's love ends in "昭和枯れすすき (http://www15.plala.or.jp/hiroiosa/index-ikinuki-mysong-showakaresusuki.htm) (Showa Era Withering Grass, a top hit song about tragic love)" style. Well, a happy ending seems too hard to meet.

This time again... I wonder who the shooter is. Diethart? Sayoko? Rolo? Zero himself?

[morbosfist]

Perhaps you forgot Guinevere?She certainly seems more willing to do such a thing, but she couldn't do it alone.

[Captain Zechs]

So...

By sticky parts...

Was he talking about Suzaku or Gino?

Lol...

If Suzaku I guess that confirms he isn't gay.

[PzIVf3]

I got this feeling it look like possible tragic ending.

[Marsala]

Those interviews seem to confirm that Ougi and Villetta will have a tragic ending, and soon. I didn't really buy that Villetta would convince Ougi to go against Zero; with even Jeremiah on Lelouch's side, Villetta now has every reason to join the Black Knights completely. However, due to Diethard's suspicions and Sayoko's, uh, ability to misunderstand situations, things may go horribly wrong for them anyway.

Actually they could still have a happy ending, but there will definitely be a very negative turn for them in the near future.

[Koshimizu]

I'm actually more interested in Hoshi-san. Did he say anything more on Gino?I found the latter part of this interview. Hoshi didn't really talk about himself, but more about Code Geass. I'm anxious to see how Gino plays an active role in the future, and the ending of Code Geass. It's heading toward a climax, and it's time for everything to unfold. Since it's Taniguchi's production, the ending will definitely be splandid. Pleas look forward to it!

So...
By sticky parts...
Was he talking about Suzaku or Gino?
Lol...
If Suzaku I guess that confirms he isn't gay.Suzaku.

[yezhanquan]

I found the latter part of this interview. Hoshi didn't really talk about himself, but more about Code Geass. I'm anxious to see how Gino plays an active role in the future, and the ending of Code Geass. It's heading toward a climax, and it's time for everything to unfold. Since it's Taniguchi's production, the ending will definitely be splandid. Pleas look forward to it!



...That just gave me a mental image of Kira Yamato trying to promote CG. The scary thing is that on some level, it seems entirely appropriate.

[Captain Zechs]

I found the latter part of this interview. Hoshi didn't really talk about himself, but more about Code Geass. I'm anxious to see how Gino plays an active role in the future, and the ending of Code Geass. It's heading toward a climax, and it's time for everything to unfold. Since it's Taniguchi's production, the ending will definitely be splandid. Pleas look forward to it!

Suzaku.

Lol. I find it funny that he reffered to it as "sticky-part".

And it also slightly depresses me that Gino isn't gay (Not that it really matters). Oh well.

[Koshimizu]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_566280.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/566280.jpg)Bond.
Brothers that can't be separated (brothers)
Mysterious brother (the younger one)
Brother deeply bond with Geass (the older one)
The relation between these two is destiny
The secret is just between them, unknown to others
Even if they stand against the world
This power will not be shaken
That's the world end
Just the two of themPersonally, I take words from the editor of Newtype Romance with a grain of salt... And the salt is probably pink with girl's fantasies. :heh:

It seems the spotlight of this issue is the interview (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1733144&postcount=6830) I posted earlier.

Summary: Shirley's memory returned, and was killed by Rolo. Knowing this, Lelouch hates Rolo even more.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_566710.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/566710.jpg)

Rolo: He once was an assassin from the Cult, sent by V.V. to act as Lelouch's younger brother. But his feelings toward Lelouch is starting to be "more than just an elder brother". (Oh, Newtype Romance.)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_565980.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/565980.jpg)

[morbosfist]

Well, that second part was thoroughly disturbing, though not too surprising. Kill yourself by overusing your Geass already, Rolo, you team-killing, over-dependent psychopath.

[C.A.]

I have a feeling that the geass kids in the geass cult are educated to value sibling love above everything else. V.V. and Rolo are examples of that and those 5 kids were really delighted to see a Rolo nii-san. Its all because of V.V.'s brother complex.

[Tkpenalty]

I think that copying a famous novel and twisting it around is an idea almost every story in existence has done. There's a theory I heard of a little while ago that there are only 7 original story lines in the universe. Everything else is just twisting it around to fit a different scenario.

There are undeniable links to 1984. The 3 world power system is what is really getting to me. But, there are parallels to characters, and considering that Lelouche was captured, it's even more so. But, look at the ED. That is Lelouche and Suzaku both smiling and happy, holding hands. Considering that Shirley is shown as an angel, it is likely that a lot of what's in the ED will happen. AKA, Suzaku/Lelouche will side up. And I see Lelouche switching sides more than I do Suzaku. And since this is the O'Brien situation, I think it is possible that the parrallels will continue.

The ending.... I really think CLAMP just did that cause they thought it looked cool :heh:


Sorta depressing that turn 18 (Nina's nuking of tokyo) is on my bday ;_;....

[yezhanquan]

The ending.... I really think CLAMP just did that cause they thought it looked cool :heh:


Sorta depressing that turn 18 (Nina's nuking of tokyo) is on my bday ;_;....

The nuke in turn 18 is still a speculation, although IMO a rather credible one. So far, what is confirmed is that there will be a second battle @ Tokyo.

[hayato]

Sorta depressing that turn 18 (Nina's nuking of tokyo) is on my bday ;_;....

Happy birthday! (too early but still)

I wish it was saturday already. NOOO!KJDLKJHAAD!@

[Silver Soul]

Again, we have Kang's Speculations. This time I'm going for only 50% accuracy (you'll see why):

4. Due to the defeat in Area 11, a coup is attempted in Britannia, centering on Guinevere and Odysseus. This expands in to a Britannian civil war.


6. The truth about Zero is leaked, and this leads to Lelouch being "kicked out" of the Union of Nations. OoBK splits into pro-Lelouch and anti-Lelouch.

7. The world is engulfed in a world war, as four factors fight each other.

8. Schneizel manages to defeat the rebels, killing the ringleaders. This wipes out most of the heirs to the throne, leaving Schneizel almost unopposed.

9. Charles, fed up with the world, activates the Sword of Akasha, starting Ragnorok.

10. As a side effect of the activation of the Sword, C.C. and V.V. lose their powers.

11. Schneizel kills Charles, and takes the throne. Charles, however, manages to tell Lelouch part of the truth of the past before passing on.

12. The final conflict is between Lelouch and Schneizel.

13. Lelouch wins, and brings forth a new world, which is similar to what Charles had in mind.

15. Bismarck, however, is alive to see his Lord's wish come true.


These are the only ones I like and see probable :
4.) I f this were true it would make for a very interesting conflict and this could be the cause that split up the KoR
6.) Oh god I wish this would happen sooner
7.) Wow how will they resolve this before that end?
8.) see 4
9.) I guess that explains 7
10.) At least they can be normal for what's that worth
11.) What a Tweest
12) Brother Vs. Brother
13.) Just as planned
15.) see 13
Overall pretty good speculation although with the lack of detail of each characters fate its hard to engulf

[Jeffry2009]

Did you guys hear that? Rollo is just a V.V.'s men after He gaves a geass since rollo is a child then since Nunnally been held captived from S1 V.V. sent Rollo to take over lelouch as a younger brother. Now lulu must find his way out to retrieve nunnally back!! i mean come on since i've been dying for this all time till i couldn't sleep bcoz of this. :(

Son of the bitch........ Come on. i can't wait this for so long! i mean it.

but yeah, Thanks a LOT. god, I've felt bad & disgraced bcoz of this (newtype romance) . :mad:

*i've been anxiously despair bcoz of dying to wait about what will happen NEXT. guys, don't get me wrong.*

[C.C.]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_566280.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/566280.jpg)Bond.
Brothers that can't be separated (brothers)
Mysterious brother (the younger one)
Brother deeply bond with Geass (the older one)
The relation between these two is destiny
The secret is just between them, unknown to others
Even if they stand against the world
This power will not be shaken
That's the world end
Just the two of themPersonally, I take words from the editor of Newtype Romance with a grain of salt... And the salt is probably pink with girl's fantasies. :heh:

It seems the spotlight of this issue is the interview (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1733144&postcount=6830) I posted earlier.

Summary: Shirley's memory returned, and was killed by Rolo. Knowing this, Lelouch hates Rolo even more.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_566710.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/566710.jpg)

Rolo: He once was an assassin from the Cult, sent by V.V. to act as Lelouch's younger brother. But his feelings toward Lelouch is starting to be "more than just an elder brother". (Oh, Newtype Romance.)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_565980.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/565980.jpg)

Thanks for both the interview and this!!
I'm sure the last quote for Rolo is just for yaoi girls! :heh:

But I enjoyed the interview very much! Seiyuus are always that nice, especially the one of Ohgi talking of Viletta as "Chigusa"! *--*

[Var]

Good old Newtype Romance, giving us no new information. :heh:

[Tolle Erik Koenig]

Good old Newtype Romance, giving us no new information. :heh:

Well, I never trusted it anyway. I thought it was the hard copy of the Romance thread.:heh:

[Kovensky]

Well, Kallen is actually Lelouch's Queen! That appears to be only for his chess metaphore, but who knows?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Overall pretty good speculation although with the lack of detail of each characters fate its hard to engulf

Given that I'm doing a speculation to the ending, even this much is a bit over the top. To go further is insane, or I have the power to see the future.

[JMvS]

Again, we have Kang's Speculations. This time I'm going for only 50% accuracy (you'll see why):



1. The Union of Nations is formed, and attacks Area 11 (duh)

2. Ohgi learns the truth of Zero, and Diethard holds Villetta hostage to stop the info from leaking.

3. Near the end of the Second Battle of Tokyo , Suzaku, while fighting OoBK, uses Nina's nuke because our Einstein told him that it was just a "stronger" weapon. Asahina manages to partly disable it so that it doesn't go nuclear, but dies in the process.

4. Due to the defeat in Area 11, a coup is attempted in Britannia, centering on Guinevere and Odysseus. This expands in to a Britannian civil war.

5. V.V. sides with the rebels.

6. The truth about Zero is leaked, and this leads to Lelouch being "kicked out" of the Union of Nations. OoBK splits into pro-Lelouch and anti-Lelouch.

7. The world is engulfed in a world war, as four factors fight each other.

8. Schneizel manages to defeat the rebels, killing the ringleaders. This wipes out most of the heirs to the throne, leaving Schneizel almost unopposed.

9. Charles, fed up with the world, activates the Sword of Akasha, starting Ragnorok.

10. As a side effect of the activation of the Sword, C.C. and V.V. lose their powers.

11. Schneizel kills Charles, and takes the throne. Charles, however, manages to tell Lelouch part of the truth of the past before passing on.

12. The final conflict is between Lelouch and Schneizel.

13. Lelouch wins, and brings forth a new world, which is similar to what Charles had in mind.

14. Suzaku manages to view this new world, but cannot enjoy it.

15. Bismarck, however, is alive to see his Lord's wish come true.





I'll link this in my sig.

That look very appealing :)

About 11, I wonder if at this point Charles would send a message to all KoR: "You shall now serve Lelouch Vi Britannia".

[KrimzonStriker]

Again, we have Kang's Speculations. This time I'm going for only 50% accuracy (you'll see why):



1. The Union of Nations is formed, and attacks Area 11 (duh)

2. Ohgi learns the truth of Zero, and Diethard holds Villetta hostage to stop the info from leaking.

3. Near the end of the Second Battle of Tokyo , Suzaku, while fighting OoBK, uses Nina's nuke because our Einstein told him that it was just a "stronger" weapon. Asahina manages to partly disable it so that it doesn't go nuclear, but dies in the process.

4. Due to the defeat in Area 11, a coup is attempted in Britannia, centering on Guinevere and Odysseus. This expands in to a Britannian civil war.

5. V.V. sides with the rebels.

6. The truth about Zero is leaked, and this leads to Lelouch being "kicked out" of the Union of Nations. OoBK splits into pro-Lelouch and anti-Lelouch.

7. The world is engulfed in a world war, as four factors fight each other.

8. Schneizel manages to defeat the rebels, killing the ringleaders. This wipes out most of the heirs to the throne, leaving Schneizel almost unopposed.

9. Charles, fed up with the world, activates the Sword of Akasha, starting Ragnorok.

10. As a side effect of the activation of the Sword, C.C. and V.V. lose their powers.

11. Schneizel kills Charles, and takes the throne. Charles, however, manages to tell Lelouch part of the truth of the past before passing on.

12. The final conflict is between Lelouch and Schneizel.

13. Lelouch wins, and brings forth a new world, which is similar to what Charles had in mind.

14. Suzaku manages to view this new world, but cannot enjoy it.

15. Bismarck, however, is alive to see his Lord's wish come true.





I'll link this in my sig.


Sooo.... what happened to them defectors of the Order you think after he wins? Probably nothing pleasant, poor Ougi doesn't get a break, just like his seiyu said :heh:

I see V.V and Charles had a falling out, and I knew this was probably just a basis of having the same goal but different methods between him and Lelouch <_<

[Kang Seung Jae]

Sooo.... what happened to them defectors of the Order you think after he wins? Probably nothing pleasant, poor Ougi doesn't get a break, just like his seiyu said :heh:

I figure that will be resolved before the showdown.

[KrimzonStriker]

I figure that will be resolved before the showdown.

So like, they all say sorry and have a big group hug in order to go kick Britannia's butt? :p

You know, as much as all this would rock, how do you fit all of it into the span of like 7 episodes :heh:

[ZeroSama]

So like, they all say sorry and have a big group hug in order to go kick Britannia's butt? :p

You know, as much as all this would rock, how do you fit all of it into the span of like 7 episodes :heh:

Use the SoA on Britannia. Guaranteed win. Plus it'd keep all the Lulu haters happy.

[Blue_Mercy]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_566280.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/566280.jpg)Bond.
Brothers that can't be separated (brothers)
Mysterious brother (the younger one)
Brother deeply bond with Geass (the older one)
The relation between these two is destiny
The secret is just between them, unknown to others
Even if they stand against the world
This power will not be shaken
That's the world end
Just the two of themPersonally, I take words from the editor of Newtype Romance with a grain of salt... And the salt is probably pink with girl's fantasies. :heh:

It seems the spotlight of this issue is the interview (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1733144&postcount=6830) I posted earlier.

Summary: Shirley's memory returned, and was killed by Rolo. Knowing this, Lelouch hates Rolo even more.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_566710.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/566710.jpg)

Rolo: He once was an assassin from the Cult, sent by V.V. to act as Lelouch's younger brother. But his feelings toward Lelouch is starting to be "more than just an elder brother". (Oh, Newtype Romance.)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_565980.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/565980.jpg)

Ugh, would someone please smack that romance editor, and actually do a section about the potential romance between Lelouch-C.C. or Lelouch-Kallen.:rolleyes:

[Var]

Ugh, would someone please smack that romance editor, and actually do a section about the potential romance between Lelouch-C.C. or Lelouch-Kallen.:rolleyes:

I sent my T-Rex in to eat him.

In all seriousness, though, they did something of the sort last month. Well, not really, more like a passing mention. Either way though, I think that set of speculations and such are something the creators want to keep subdued as it is going to influence the story and Lelouch.

Yes, I know, a subplot influencing the main plot. Preposterous!

And as always, T-Rex is watching you.

[Silver Soul]

Ugh, would someone please smack that romance editor, and actually do a section about the potential romance between Lelouch-C.C. or Lelouch-Kallen.:rolleyes:

How about a relationship that's actually going to last and isn't just another ploy for fans to watch

[Diedrupo]

Perhaps you forgot Guinevere?

She seems more interested in interior decorating and playing the spoiled princess than in military affairs.

Schneizel and Cornelia are the only true military geniuses among the princes and princesses and there's only Schneizel around for the moment. In either case I still have to disagree with most of your speculations/theories.

[Var]

She seems more interested in interior decorating and playing the spoiled princess than in military affairs.

Schneizel and Cornelia are the only true military geniuses among the princes and princesses and there's only Schneizel around for the moment. In either case I still have to disagree with most of your speculations/theories.

Carline is shown to be a fan of war, whether or not she is a military genius has yet to be seen, but if she takes joy in the fact then she likely has her own backing and military knowledge. Whether it is in depth like Cornelia and Schneizel remains to be seen.

[darthfury78]

Wow that is interesting good stuff Kosh!
I hope Ougi gets some lovin. Any news about our dear friend Lelouch?

I am dying to know if they will interview the VA for Milly yet? I like to know what her thoughts about the direction she is heading. I certainly want to see a closure between her and Lelouch.

[Dream_Traveller]

Well, if Turn 12 wasn't a kind of closure enough...

[Diedrupo]

Carline is shown to be a fan of war, whether or not she is a military genius has yet to be seen, but if she takes joy in the fact then she likely has her own backing and military knowledge. Whether it is in depth like Cornelia and Schneizel remains to be seen.

You are correct. But this was all brought up due to speculation/theorying that someone in the family will stage a coup in Britannia, and I don't see Carline doing so.

Of course, the original speculator did not consider the countless generals and other royalty...

[Var]

You are correct. But this was all brought up due to speculation/theorying that someone in the family will stage a coup in Britannia, and I don't see Carline doing so.

Of course, the original speculator did not consider the countless generals and other royalty...

The biggest road block for anyone is Bismark, not even accounting any of military divisions that are deathly loyal to him. Bismark has been shown to be likely Charles' most loyal subject, even to the degree that they seem to have a similar outlook on war and the like.

If anyone attempts to overthrow Charles, or if Charles is assassinated, Bismark will be, literally, the swing vote and the biggest barrier. If Charles tells him to follow Lelouch, then Lelouch will more than likely receive his allegiance and further the allegiance of massive amounts of Britannian soldiers. If he says nothing then Bismark would likely follow the ascension code and support Odysseus by simple right of passage.

[demon_god04]

The biggest road block for anyone is Bismark, not even accounting any of military divisions that are deathly loyal to him. Bismark has been shown to be likely Charles' most loyal subject, even to the degree that they seem to have a similar outlook on war and the like.

If anyone attempts to overthrow Charles, or if Charles is assassinated, Bismark will be, literally, the swing vote and the biggest barrier. If Charles tells him to follow Lelouch, then Lelouch will more than likely receive his allegiance and further the allegiance of massive amounts of Britannian soldiers. If he says nothing then Bismark would likely follow the ascension code and support Odysseus by simple right of passage.

So then the question is, will the Knight of Rounds follow him? or will they be split as well? If the Rounds all side with Bismark and Bismark goes with Odysseus, then I see little chance of anyone opposing him.

[Var]

So then the question is, will the Knight of Rounds follow him? or will they be split as well? If the Rounds all side with Bismark and Bismark goes with Odysseus, then I see little chance of anyone opposing him.

Even if they do not, unless all the KoR follow one other candidate (as I see Suzaku, Gino, and ~Anya~ following Schneizel), then Bismark will likely still be a hard force to oppose even if he is alone. He likely commands far more military respect and influence than any single general under any single royal, and likely more than some royals.

[demon_god04]

Even if they do not, unless all the KoR follow one other candidate (as I see Suzaku, Gino, and ~Anya~ following Schneizel), then Bismark will likely still be a hard force to oppose even if he is alone. He likely commands far more military respect and influence than any single general under any single royal, and likely more than some royals.

Schneizel is also a very respected military leader as well and had a very sucessful campaign against the EU. Add to the fact Odysseus has been shown to be somewhat of an incompetent leader, there may very well be many in the military that would rather follow Schneizel.

[Pathis87]

odeysses is only interested in marying loli empresses ;):p

[Diedrupo]

Schneizel is also a very respected military leader as well and had a very sucessful campaign against the EU. Add to the fact Odysseus has been shown to be somewhat of an incompetent leader, there may very well be many in the military that would rather follow Schneizel.

Yeah I think the evidence is strongly there for Schneizel to take over, if anything happens to Charles. Odysseus probably wouldn't even oppose it.

[Var]

Yeah I think the evidence is strongly there for Schneizel to take over, if anything happens to Charles. Odysseus probably wouldn't even oppose it.

The question is more if Bismark will oppose Schneizel, which I can see happening from his discussion with the Emperor about Schneizel.

[incorrupts]

Newtype Romance, 2008 Summer


Rolo: He once was an assassin from the Cult, sent by V.V. to act as Lelouch's younger brother. But his feelings toward Lelouch is starting to be "more than just an elder brother". (Oh, Newtype Romance.)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/th_565980.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/565980.jpg)

Wasn't like that SO OBVIOUS? xD

Thanks for the updates.

[Pathis87]

Wasn't like that SO OBVIOUS? xD

Thanks for the updates.

old news ^^

[SoldierOfDarkness]

The biggest road block for anyone is Bismark, not even accounting any of military divisions that are deathly loyal to him. Bismark has been shown to be likely Charles' most loyal subject, even to the degree that they seem to have a similar outlook on war and the like.

If anyone attempts to overthrow Charles, or if Charles is assassinated, Bismark will be, literally, the swing vote and the biggest barrier. If Charles tells him to follow Lelouch, then Lelouch will more than likely receive his allegiance and further the allegiance of massive amounts of Britannian soldiers. If he says nothing then Bismark would likely follow the ascension code and support Odysseus by simple right of passage.

Isn't that dangerous though? To have a bodyguard of the previous emperor follow you? Because if the Emperor fell of not natural causes then that's a pretty big dent in his credibility. Especially if said emperor fell by the usurper then Bismarck would be in danger for himself as well wouldn't it?

[morbosfist]

The Knight of One is the leader of a military body, not a bodyguard.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

The Knight of One is the leader of a military body, not a bodyguard.

Yeah but he's the closest subordinate the emperor himself. He answers to no one but the Emperor. He's literally his right hand man.

[morbosfist]

Yes, but that does not mean he's a bodyguard, nor is he responsible for the Emperor safety except in situations where he is specifically ordered to be. Your entire argument is based on a false assumption. Assuming the Emperor was assassinated, it would not be Bismark's fault unless he was the one protecting him, therefore there is nothing wrong with keeping him on as a subordinate in the next regime.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Yes, but that does not mean he's a bodyguard, nor is he responsible for the Emperor safety except in situations where he is specifically ordered to be. Your entire argument is based on a false assumption. Assuming the Emperor was assassinated, it would not be Bismark's fault unless he was the one protecting him, therefore there is nothing wrong with keeping him on as a subordinate in the next regime.

Oye can we link the information regarding the Knights info? I need to go over that again and it's dug in deep.

The reason why I assumed it to be similar to a bodyguard was the lack of a better term. Suzaku and Guilford were Knights who served directly under their respective members of the royal family. Aside from protecting them, they were tasked with carrying out their wills and acted as generals.

I don't see why these guys shouldn't be any different aside from the fact that they are under the Emperor's orders which puts them at the highest command chain.

[morbosfist]

Because the Knights of Rounds are a group commanded by the Emperor. They are like special forces. Guilford and so on are personally appointed bodyguards, a limited form of Secret Service.

[Diedrupo]

The question is more if Bismark will oppose Schneizel, which I can see happening from his discussion with the Emperor about Schneizel.

True, though I can see any revolt from Bismarck being short lived, which would conveniently set up Suzaku for his goal...

[Var]

True, though I can see any revolt from Bismarck being short lived, which would conveniently set up Suzaku for his goal...

How so? Someone in his position is no different from Maximus in The Gladiator Movie (and the butchering of Roman history that it was). He is a military monstrousity with loyalty that likely extends well beyond any single royal aside from Schneizel and Charles. He is the ultimate knight of the Empire, countless soldiers likely look up to him and would likely follow him.

[JackRydden224]

True, though I can see any revolt from Bismarck being short lived, which would conveniently set up Suzaku for his goal...

I'm pretty sure he has an uber-uncontrollable geass in his left eye.

But like you said, if Suzaku manages to beat Bismark then he'd get his wish.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I've written an article speculating about the Mystery of The Geass (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/goro-id-like-to-solve-the-puzzle-my-code-geass-plot-speculation-theory/) if people are interested. Very potentially spoilerific. As I warn, one should not read the article if they believe I could be right and it would spoil the rest of the series for them.

[Aquaman OS]

That actually makes a great deal of sense.

[thespringmoon]

I've written an article speculating about the Mystery of The Geass (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/goro-id-like-to-solve-the-puzzle-my-code-geass-plot-speculation-theory/) if people are interested. Very potentially spoilerific. As I warn, one should not read the article if they believe I could be right and it would spoil the rest of the series for them.

What a great theory! :0 Everything seems to connect. I look forward to seeing if you're right.

[Tolle Erik Koenig]

Random question: Since Orange-kun is now on Lulu's side, then will the people under him swap sides as well, like Viletta? 'cause it'll be interesting to see it happen.

[bladeofdarkness]

Viletta is on her way to the CF as we speak
now that orenge-kun is on lulu's side she's going to talk to ogi about something
what ever it is
it cant be good for lulu

[Tolle Erik Koenig]

Viletta is on her way to the CF as we speak
now that orenge-kun is on lulu's side she's going to talk to ogi about something
what ever it is
it cant be good for lulu

Ohgi? Isn't he a Black Knight? How then, can't it be good for Lulu?

[Tokkan]

She might tell Ougi the truth about Lelouch's identity as a throwaway prince of Britannia, as well as his Geass powers.

And he'd not believe any of it, but then Sayoko stupidly jumps out and attacks Villetta "for the sake of Lelouch-sama" and just confirms it true for him.

[Schneizel]

I've written an article speculating about the Mystery of The Geass (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/goro-id-like-to-solve-the-puzzle-my-code-geass-plot-speculation-theory/) if people are interested. Very potentially spoilerific. As I warn, one should not read the article if they believe I could be right and it would spoil the rest of the series for them.
To tl;dr what I said on your comments:
Linking Bartley directly to V.V. is headdesk.
Linking Schneizel directly to V.V. is not headdesk.

[bladeofdarkness]

Ohgi? Isn't he a Black Knight? How then, can't it be good for Lulu?

if lulu's id becomes know to the OOBK
then it means civil war within the order
with him being a bitannian prince
plus his kill'em all mission this ep
plus kallen not being around to sway people his way
he wont have alot of followers

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

if lulu's id becomes know to the OOBK
then it means civil war within the order
with him being a bitannian prince
plus his kill'em all mission this ep
plus kallen not being around to sway people his way
he wont have alot of followers

It wouldn't take more than one episode of the BK getting their asses kicked before they would crawl their way back to Zero and beg him to save them.

Zero had always been followed because he get things done, and his identity had never been important. And the reason the BK stuck with him this long is because there wasn't anyone to take his place.

Trust me, if there is a Japanese person who could take up the leadership role, BK would have done away with Zero long ago. But such people don't grow on trees, and Zero is all they got.

They NEED Zero. Dumping him is out of the question, and if they tried they will be sorry they did.

[Silver Soul]

It wouldn't take more than one episode of the BK getting their asses kicked before they would crawl their way back to Zero and beg him to save them.

Zero had always been followed because he get things done, and his identity had never been important. And the reason the BK stuck with him this long is because there wasn't anyone to take his place.

Trust me, if there is a Japanese person who could take up the leadership role, BK would have done away with Zero long ago. But such people don't grow on trees, and Zero is all they got.

They NEED Zero. Dumping him is out of the question, and if they tried they will be sorry they did.

But it'll be sooo much better if they did:heh:

[Ruvixur]

It wouldn't take more than one episode of the BK getting their asses kicked before they would crawl their way back to Zero and beg him to save them.

Zero had always been followed because he get things done, and his identity had never been important. And the reason the BK stuck with him this long is because there wasn't anyone to take his place.

Trust me, if there is a Japanese person who could take up the leadership role, BK would have done away with Zero long ago. But such people don't grow on trees, and Zero is all they got.

They NEED Zero. Dumping him is out of the question, and if they tried they will be sorry they did.
They also have Xing-Ke and Toudou. Of course, they are not Lelouch, but they are great at leading people and i can see someone taking Zero mask.
And the shock of Zero being Britannia Prince is devastating by itself.

[Dream_Traveller]

Did Toudou fare well in the finale of R1? A leader as he was, the BKs still crumbled. Hence, Zero is the only decent leader that they have.

[Var]

Todou is a soldier first, leader second. He is a tactical master and charismatic leader, but he is still humble before Zero because Zero is all that he is and then some when it comes to leadership. Todou is much more at home on the battlefield leading a small division through on the spot tactics, an older Suzaku. Whereas Zero is the master behind the overall plan that holds everything together. Xing-ke is a military genius, yes, but his health makes it unreliable to depend on him. His nation takes precedence over Japan and the World where Zero has no national allegiance and will continue to fight.

Diethard knows this and that is why he keeps everything about Zero a secret with little question and is ready to do anything to keep Zero in power.

[Silver Soul]

Did Toudou fare well in the finale of R1? A leader as he was, the BKs still crumbled. Hence, Zero is the only decent leader that they have.

But the question is will he take them back since all he needs are the people must loyal to him to fight for the cause (Kallen, Diethard, Rolo, Jeremiah, and Sayoko), all he wants is to destroy Britannia and liberating Japan comes second and was never one of his primary goals to begin with

[Ruvixur]

Did Toudou fare well in the finale of R1? A leader as he was, the BKs still crumbled. Hence, Zero is the only decent leader that they have.

Zero is not a person. It's a symbol.Toudou and Xing-ke can take the role of Zero. Black Rebellion failed because Zero left, so they lost moral, druid system, hadron cannons and commander. Toudou couldn't bring back first three things.

[Var]

But the question is will he take them back since all he needs are the people must loyal to him to fight for the cause (Kallen, Diethard, Rolo, Jeremiah, and Sayoko), all he wants is to destroy Britannia and liberating Japan comes second and was never one of his primary goals to begin with

What's a leader without an army?

[bladeofdarkness]

why do people find it hard they would turn on lulu if they found out
in the end of season 1 kallen was hands down his most devoted follower
didnt stop her from bailing out on him when she first found out he was lying about who he was
and she didnt even know about him being an ex prince
so why wouldnt the rest of the OOBK who are not as devoted to him not react the same way when they learn about him being an ex prince

[Var]

why do people find it hard they would turn on lulu if they found out
in the end of season 1 kallen was hands down his most devoted follower
didnt stop her from bailing out on him when she first found out he was lying about who he was
and she didnt even know about him being an ex prince
so why wouldnt the rest of the OOBK who are not as devoted to him not react the same way when they learn about him being an ex prince

Diethard is likely the only reason they haven't betrayed him yet, he is keeping everything tightly wrapped up. Without Kallen around to boost morale and general support for Zero, he's really the only thing keeping everything together.

[Silver Soul]

why do people find it hard they would turn on lulu if they found out
in the end of season 1 kallen was hands down his most devoted follower
didnt stop her from bailing out on him when she first found out he was lying about who he was
and she didnt even know about him being an ex prince
so why wouldnt the rest of the OOBK who are not as devoted to him not react the same way when they learn about him being an ex prince

Because most if not all of the Black Knights are irrational and biased when it comes to Britainnians (Tamaki for starters) and to think of it in a rational way they really shouldn't let it bother them but they will since some of them are at odds with Zero any way (Chiba) and episode 14 displayed that they were in disagreement with the massacre so these are all the better reasons they would split up, Kallen, Ougi and Todou and Sayoko are the only ones I see accepting Zero regardless and Diethard is just in love with him and I think it would be even better if he were a prince if any case he can get a new army with the Union of Nations

[bladeofdarkness]

Because most if not all of the Black Knights are irrational and biased when it comes to Britainnians (Tamaki for starters) and to think of it in a rational way they really shouldn't let it bother them but they will since some of them are at odds with Zero any way (Chiba) and episode 14 displayed that they were in disagreement with the massacre so these are all the better reasons they would split up, Kallen, Ougi and Todou and Sayoko are the only ones I see accepting Zero regardless and Diethard is just in love with him and I think it would be even better if he were a prince if any case he can get a new army with the Union of Nations


kallen and sayoko already except him knowing that
but whether or not ougi agrees depends on what villeta tells him
and toudo would do whatever serves japans best interests

[Verist]

To changes subject a bit. I have some concerns over next episode. I find many times that when anime do a a Psychological/Dream/Alternate reality episode, maybe it get lost in translation, but they never make any sense or are not that good. I'm think of EVA here and a few other that are alluding me. What is everyone's thoughts on this?

[Diedrupo]

How so? Someone in his position is no different from Maximus in The Gladiator Movie (and the butchering of Roman history that it was). He is a military monstrousity with loyalty that likely extends well beyond any single royal aside from Schneizel and Charles. He is the ultimate knight of the Empire, countless soldiers likely look up to him and would likely follow him.

:heh: You sure make a lot of assumptions. How the hell would you garner ANY of that from the anime episodes so far?

"Ultimate knight"? Why, because he's the knight of one? What proof do you have of any of these powerful qualities? The storywriters sure they might boost him up to look like that, but any possible confrontations will likely be short lived given that he is an incredibly minor character at this point.

I'd rather speculate on what is known, not what is unknown. Until the anime shows that Bismarck is a Superman, I don't see any reason to assume so.

why do people find it hard they would turn on lulu if they found out
in the end of season 1 kallen was hands down his most devoted follower
didnt stop her from bailing out on him when she first found out he was lying about who he was
and she didnt even know about him being an ex prince
so why wouldnt the rest of the OOBK who are not as devoted to him not react the same way when they learn about him being an ex prince

Yeah, I'm actually really hoping for this plot twist. Lelouch needs more than an emotional friend death to bring him down a notch (to make him more human and less can-do-no-wrong hero) and the perfect way to do that would be the OOBK finding out he's the emperor's son and that his true goals are no different than Charles'. This would be a great hubris moment.

At the very least, this would avoid another Black Rebellion-like confrontation for the climax of season 2. We already had a flat all-out war, we don't need another one. I'd rather see a smaller scale battle that actually gives us some answers to the story's mysteries rather than just magically see the OOBK annihilate Britannia.

[Verist]

:heh: You sure make a lot of assumptions. How the hell would you garner ANY of that from the anime episodes so far?

"Ultimate knight"? Why, because he's the knight of one? What proof do you have of any of these powerful qualities? The storywriters sure they might boost him up to look like that, but any possible confrontations will likely be short lived given that he is an incredibly minor character at this point.

I'd rather speculate on what is known, not what is unknown. Until the anime shows that Bismarck is a Superman, I don't see any reason to assume so.

How about this for spoilerific fun.. I think Bismarck is a badass, just to be a knight you need to be pretty good at fighting, and to be given the First rank, its easy to assume that he would have to be as stronger or stronger than the others. How about Bismarck is Kallen's Daddy (mentioned a few times on here). He find out Suzaku drugged her, there is a showdown, Suzaku wins and become Knight of The One through conquest

[Dream_Traveller]

Yes, because the Galahad would have been introduced for nothing, wouldn't it?

[Diedrupo]

How about this for spoilerific fun.. I think Bismarck is a badass, just to be a knight you need to be pretty good at fighting, and to be given the First rank, its easy to assume that he would have to be as stronger or stronger than the others. How about Bismarck is Kallen's Daddy (mentioned a few times on here). He find out Suzaku drugged her, there is a showdown, Suzaku wins and become Knight of The One through conquest

uhhh... what?

Well that scenario sounds ridiculous, but even if it was true, it totally destroys Var's image of Bismarck, so i'll just nod and agree with you. :heh:

Yes, because the Galahad would have been introduced for nothing, wouldn't it?

Yes, how would it be any different than the introduction of any other Knightmare?

[Dream_Traveller]

Designed for the Knight of One. Having Suzaku, who, as we know, is the Lancelot's pilot and the eventual user of the Albion, randomly become the KoO through some equally random contest, would make the Frame, designed for a reason, utterly pointless.

[aurr]

Hey, i don't have the image, but i will soon, the piccie of the strange egg ewith symbols and an eye on it. Is it just me, or Code geass is taking the plot of the latest Indiana Jones movie?
Being the gods are actually aliens.

[Rising Dragon]

Hey, i don't have the image, but i will soon, the piccie of the strange egg ewith symbols and an eye on it. Is it just me, or Code geass is taking the plot of the latest Indiana Jones movie?
Being the gods are actually aliens.

I saw it more as a mask than an egg. Considering the background, it obviously has something to do with the Sword of Akasha and other related things, that's for sure.

[Orga777]

Hey, i don't have the image, but i will soon, the piccie of the strange egg ewith symbols and an eye on it. Is it just me, or Code geass is taking the plot of the latest Indiana Jones movie?
Being the gods are actually aliens.

I will be extremely disappointed if they do that. I hated it in the Indiana Jones film, I will hate it here.

[lialiakicks]

I've written an article speculating about the Mystery of The Geass (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/goro-id-like-to-solve-the-puzzle-my-code-geass-plot-speculation-theory/) if people are interested. Very potentially spoilerific. As I warn, one should not read the article if they believe I could be right and it would spoil the rest of the series for them.

Awesome theory. I could definitely see this being explained in Turn 15. :D

[Verist]

uhhh... what?

Well that scenario sounds ridiculous, but even if it was true, it totally destroys Var's image of Bismarck, so i'll just nod and agree with you. :heh:



Yes, how would it be any different than the introduction of any other Knightmare?

Like you are blowing us away with your speculation...

[Dream_Traveller]

...Has Diedrupo even made any speculation on the far-fetched and asinine 'possibility' that Bismark could be Kallen's father?

[Verist]

...Has Diedrupo even made any speculation on the far-fetched and asinine 'possibility' that Bismark could be Kallen's father?

This is the spoiler thread, I would say why not put out some thought provoking stuff out there? I never really thought this was entirely plausible, but I didn't feel like I need to be jumped on and ridiculed. Oh well, if you attack me, or call my thoughts "asinine" please just PM. I admit its pretty much baseless speculation. But can any prove he is not? Do you have enough proof to say that I'm making ridiculous and asinine comments? Basically personal attacks..

[bladeofdarkness]

how about running a guess about who walks in on the corrent suzaku and kallen moment (someone has to)

my guesses are either
1)nanali
2)gino
3)gillford

whats your guess

[Var]

:heh: You sure make a lot of assumptions. How the hell would you garner ANY of that from the anime episodes so far?

Not quite, I'll show you my reasoning.

"Ultimate knight"? Why, because he's the knight of one? What proof do you have of any of these powerful qualities? The storywriters sure they might boost him up to look like that, but any possible confrontations will likely be short lived given that he is an incredibly minor character at this point.

Ultimate knight does not mean that he is some god (which he more than likely is but that is another matter).

His position is the ultimate seat for any soldier within the army.
He is the only KoR that is distinguished from the others, as his number does mean something.
He is, by definition of who the KoR are, a monstrosity on the battlefield. More likely than not, given what he pilots, he is an excellent combatant.
This being a Darwinistic Society the top is a slot saved for only the best of the best.
The above coupled, and Jeremiah's own words, many soldiers likely look up to the KoO and dream of being in his position. Therein he has people who are more than likely extremely loyal to him.
His position is one that exhumes loyalty, as all the KoR are noted for either being incredibly loyal to the Empire or are Suzaku.
KoO is not just a military position but a political one as well.


He is a plot wise minor character, in the actual empire he is a monolith. He may not be a central role in the story but his power is something that is quite evident. He holds political sway, he holds military power, and he is the Emperor's right hand man. That in and of itself shows that he hold substantial power and influence within the Empire.

I'd rather speculate on what is known, not what is unknown. Until the anime shows that Bismarck is a Superman, I don't see any reason to assume so.

I am not saying he is superman, but if you go by what we know of the KoR, of the Empire and how it functions, and of Charles, then Bismark is likely as monstrous a soldier as Marianne.

...Has Diedrupo even made any speculation on the far-fetched and asinine 'possibility' that Bismark could be Kallen's father?

It was good for a chuckle.

how about running a guess about who walks in on the corrent suzaku and kallen moment (someone has to)

my guesses are either
1)nanali
2)gino
3)gillford

whats your guess

IIRC Gino's voice actor isn't in the next episode. Nunally's is present.

[demon_god04]

IIRC Gino's voice actor isn't in the next episode. Nunally's is present.

So we we either see her come in time to stop Suzaku or in the aftermath. Suzaku has lied to her about her brother and now wants to drug a friend, I wonder what her opinon of Suzaku will be after all this, and what she will think if she knows that he did all that because of Euphie's death. :heh:

[bladeofdarkness]

So we we either see her come in time to stop Suzaku or in the aftermath. Suzaku has lied to her about her brother and now wants to drug a friend, I wonder what her opinon of Suzaku will be after all this, and what she will think if she knows that he did all that because of Euphie's death. :heh:

if he does inject her with it but nanali comes in time to stop him from questioning her
then nanali (who is blind and there for hears much better) might here kallen wisper something about lulu that suzaku wont

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

if he does inject her with it but nanali comes in time to stop him from questioning her
then nanali (who is blind and there for hears much better) might here kallen wisper something about lulu that suzaku wont

That might be one way for the storywritters to increase Nunnally's suspicions about Lelouch being Zero indeed - Kallen might not tell Nunnally about this unless Nunnally directly asks her "Is Lelouch Zero?" or the like, so this would be a way for Nunnally to comew to understand the situtation such as it is...

Edit:
I wonder what her opinon of Suzaku will be after all this

Well, at worst I'd sort of expect the "trusts in"-line from Nunnally to Suzaku on the character map to disappear. At worst, Nunnally would declare that she no longer trusts Suzaku and if Suzaku really uses the refrain on Kallen before she can stop it (or even if he doesn't), she might forbid him to come near Kallen again or something...

[bladeofdarkness]

That might be one way for the storywritters to increase Nunnally's suspicions about Lelouch being Zero indeed - Kallen might not tell Nunnally about this unless Nunnally directly asks her "Is Lelouch Zero?" or the like, so this would be a way for Nunnally to comew to understand the situtation such as it is...

kallen wont say anything unless nanali really does confront her like that
she started talking about lulu this ep but without saying a thing about him being zero
she pretanded not to have known that nanali was a princess (c.c told her about it)
she doesnt even talk to her with her normal voice (shes using the one from her ill girl act)
kallen wont just come out and say "hey your brother is zero"
it would have to be nanali who makes the conection before kallen can tell her more

p.s
does anyone know if euphies VA is in ep 15 by any chance

[El_Negro]

The way the episodes are going it looks like it could split into 3 factions:

1) Charles Faction
2) Lulu Faction
3) Schniezel Faction

After all the Black Knights are begining to question their leader's motive on the attack of the Geass Directorate. Villeta could've told Ougi everything concerning Lulu, and she may probably have him agree with working together with Schniezel, besides they both want to have a future where they can be happy together.

Charles Faction: want Britiannia's status quo to remain on top

Lulu Faction: wants to remove status quo and replace with a new one

Schniezel Faction: wants everyone to just get along and stop the fighting


don't know if that's true besides the Ending clearly showed the three of them

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Charles Faction: want Britiannia's status quo to remain on top

After what we've seen I'm not sure if this is the case. He is defintely bent on annhiliating the world's lies. Like Lelouch, he is trying to change the world but by using britannia through brute force.


Lulu Faction: wants to remove status quo and replace with a new one

No need to comment.


Schniezel Faction: wants everyone to just get along and stop the fighting

Perhaps.

The thing though is that the big battle is in episode 18 meaning that we could see some splitting up for each faction. Specifically Suzaku, Kallen, Gino and Anya.

[geewhiz]

If Gino defects, maybe he'll do so because of Kallen...:p

[Var]

If Gino defects, maybe he'll do so because of Kallen...:p

I really don't see Gino defecting.

[morbosfist]

His Knightmare does have the Black Knights-style Float System in the new opening. Maybe he'll leave with Anya if all the hints connecting her to Marianne lead up to her defecting.

[Var]

His Knightmare does have the Black Knights-style Float System in the new opening. Maybe he'll leave with Anya if all the hints connecting her to Marianne lead up to her defecting.

But, as I've said before, the Tristan in the OP is heavily modified. It's no longer Gino's Tristan. The weapon type is entirely different and people don't just suddenly learn how to wield different weapons even if its on a KMF.

But if he does defect, it will be because of/for Anya, not Kallen. They've built up the fact that their relationship is pretty deep.

[morbosfist]

I don't see how it's that different. Twin swords isn't that far off double pick axes. Plus, I just can't see an entirely different person fielding the Tristan. It's one thing for characters to switch to an upgraded model or new model, but a lot different for one character to usurp another's Knightmare.

[Var]

I don't see how it's that different. Twin swords isn't that far off double pick axes. Plus, I just can't see an entirely different person fielding the Tristan. It's one thing for characters to switch to an upgraded model or new model, but a lot different for one character to usurp another's Knightmare.

Not if they are a cyborg. >.>

A pickaxe is a different style weapon from a sword. He's not changing mid ranged weapon #1 for weapon #2. He's changing fighting styles, a sword is far different in use from a pickaxe, especially two swords.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

But, as I've said before, the Tristan in the OP is heavily modified. It's no longer Gino's Tristan. The weapon type is entirely different and people don't just suddenly learn how to wield different weapons even if its on a KMF.

But if he does defect, it will be because of/for Anya, not Kallen. They've built up the fact that their relationship is pretty deep.

They have to have a good reason for the two to defect to the Black Knights which leaves Kallen and Suzaku to whoever picks them up whether it's charles or schenzeil.

[Var]

They have to have a good reason for the two to defect to the Black Knights which leaves Kallen and Suzaku to whoever picks them up whether it's charles or schenzeil.

Why would Kallen defect? :twitch:

[morbosfist]

Kallen's not going anywhere but back to Lelouch. The second Refrain came out her loyalty was pretty much cemented.

[Eliarine]

But if he does defect, it will be because of/for Anya, not Kallen. They've built up the fact that their relationship is pretty deep.

I really hope you're trying to interpret the KoR novels here. Because Gino only showed concern for Anya once so far. :confused:

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Kallen's not going anywhere but back to Lelouch. The second Refrain came out her loyalty was pretty much cemented.

That may depend on what happens next... As well as on Nunnally. Still, I have a hard time imagining her switching sides easily. There's also the fact (which has been brought up many times before :heh: ) that the new Guren is shown as being on the OotBK's side at the Code Geass-site, as wella s a few other things... :uhoh:

[Blue_Mercy]

That may depend on what happens next... As well as on Nunnally. Still, I have a hard time imagining her switching sides easily. There's also the fact (which has been brought up many times before :heh: ) that the new Guren is shown as being on the OotBK's side at the Code Geass-site, as wella s a few other things... :uhoh:

I like the idea better of Kallen escaping and stealing the Guren back.

[Var]

I like the idea better of Kallen escaping and stealing the Guren back.

I prefer the Nunally sends her to save Lelouch version. Guren is included as a signing bonus. :heh:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Why would Kallen defect? :twitch:

Cause Nunnally's there with Charles:p

But seriously I don't know but with so many powerful people joining Lelouch it seems to be quite one-sided with either Lancelot or Guren going to him as well.

It depends on the circumstances of the battle of Japan and I'm quite sure Nunnally isn't going back to Lelouch anytime soon.

[morbosfist]

I prefer the Nunally sends her to save Lelouch version. Guren is included as a signing bonus. :heh:
Second that, though I wonder if Nunnally could really get away with freeing an enemy soldier and returning her Knightmare.

Cause Nunnally's there with Charles :p

But seriously I don't know but with so many powerful people joining Lelouch it seems to be quite one-sided with either Lancelot or Guren going to him as well.

It depends on the circumstances of the battle of Japan and I'm quite sure Nunnally isn't going back to Lelouch anytime soon.Charles is orbiting Jupiter with Lelouch.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Charles Faction: want Britiannia's status quo to remain on top

Lulu Faction: wants to remove status quo and replace with a new one

Schniezel Faction: wants everyone to just get along and stop the fighting


don't know if that's true besides the Ending clearly showed the three of them

There may be a spilt of factions later, though it can go jsut about any way. and I think you mean the OP, not the ED - which might as well hint at that Schneizel will take Charle's place later on, or it mgiht just imply that he has a double-nature...

Still, I dinno if Schneizel's faction would be liek that. While it's true that he doesn't seem as fond of war as some of his other sibblings, he's more of a warmonger than a peace-maker. Now, if we had a Nunnally-faction, then I could iamgine that it's goals would indeed be "wants everyone to just get along and stop the fighting"... :heh:

I like the idea better of Kallen escaping and stealing the Guren back.

Well, I'd like that too, though I'm also perfectly fine with Var's suggestion :D

[Blue_Mercy]

I prefer the Nunally sends her to save Lelouch version. Guren is included as a signing bonus. :heh:

No, thanks. That sounds a little bit too close to Lacus sending Kira off with Freedom for my liking.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Charles is orbiting Jupiter with Lelouch.

No I meant that Nunnally will be sticking with Charles.

[Var]

Cause Nunnally's there with Charles:p

But seriously I don't know but with so many powerful people joining Lelouch it seems to be quite one-sided with either Lancelot or Guren going to him as well.

It depends on the circumstances of the battle of Japan and I'm quite sure Nunnally isn't going back to Lelouch anytime soon.

Nunally actually has her own super Geass, she doesn't need Charles. :p

That's not really that much, when compared to what Britannia has. It makes it more even if anything. You've got, expectedly, Xing-ke, Todou, Anya, Gino(?), Jeremiah, Kallen, and Rolo (for however long he's alive). Against the entirety of Bismark and the remaining KoR, Schneizel's forces and technology, and the Britannian empire.

Nunally isn't going back, that much is sure, but someone needs to deliver he message. I don't see it being Suzaku, so...

No, thanks. That sounds a little bit too close to Lacus sending Kira off with Freedom for my liking.

To each their own.

[morbosfist]

No I meant that Nunnally will be sticking with Charles.Ah, my mistake. Well, she's only sticking with him because her brother's missing. She's gone the second Lelouch decides to reveal himself.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Cause Nunnally's there with Charles:p

And? She wouldn't join Charles just because of Nunnally :rolleyes:

But seriously I don't know but with so many powerful people joining Lelouch it seems to be quite one-sided with either Lancelot or Guren going to him as well.

You mean that things would seem to be too heavy in Lelouch's favor?
Depends on a lot of things, really, and:
- The new Lancelot will, if we are to believe the Code Geass-site, still be on Britannia's side, so assuming that Kallen and the Guren returns to the OotBK's side as well (again, if we are to believe the CG site), then they neutralize/equals each other's awsomeness out :heh:
- There's still at least four other KoR around plus whatever else Britannia might bring out (Carline and Guiverne might be piloting something themselves, who knows?).
- Some guys on Lelouch's side may well kick the bucket later on, equalizing things out a bit more as such (Xingke has a HUUGE death flag, Rolo may as well and I can see Todou die during the upcoming events)...
- Then there's of course the strong possibility of Britannia getting a working nuke... :uhoh:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

And? She wouldn't join Charles just because of Nunnally :rolleyes:


News flash bud she's already with Charles. She's been accepted back into the family and given back her status and such (And so far he hasn't done anything else with her other than letting her do what she pleases compared to the other family members who just sit their butts down doing nothing). I was implying that she remains where she is rather than going back to R1 and being cared for by Lelouch. In this manner she remains an independent group.

The OP could be hinting at the 3 main factions with several others branching out from them (IE. Nunnally being herself but more associated with Charles' factions).

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

News flash bud she's already with Charles. She's been accepted back into the family and given back her status and such (And so far he hasn't done anything else with her other than letting her do what she pleases compared to the other family members who just sit their butts down doing nothing). I was implying that she remains where she is rather than going back to R1 and being cared for by Lelouch. In this manner she remains an independent group. )

Er, did you quote the wrong person or did you misunderstand? I wasn't saying anythign about Nunnally being on Charle's side or not after all... :eyebrow:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Er, did you quote the wrong person or did you misunderstand? I wasn't saying anythign about Nunnally being on Charle's side or not after all... :eyebrow:

Didn't you quoted me? So who is it you are referring to?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Didn't you quoted me? So who is it you are referring to?

Yes, I did, but I said nothing about Nunnally other than mentioning her name. :uhoh:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Yes, I did, but I said nothing about Nunnally other than mentioning her name. :uhoh:

So who is this "she" you are referring to?

[Aquaman OS]

But, as I've said before, the Tristan in the OP is heavily modified. It's no longer Gino's Tristan. The weapon type is entirely different and people don't just suddenly learn how to wield different weapons even if its on a KMF.

If it's wrecked badly enough he might not have a choice. MVS polearms might not be something Rakshata can duplicate so he gets swords which are close enough.

Also as someone on another forum pointed out characters do in fact switch main weapons at times. Guilford doesn't use the Gloucester lance with Vincent for example, and Kallen switched to her radiation wave as her main weapon despite being more familiar with regular KMF weapons before hand.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

So who is this "she" you are referring to?

*sigh* Read the full sentence, will you? I said "She wouldn't join Charles because of Nunnally" Since I'm saying "because of Nunnally", I'm obviously NOT talking about Nunnally, right? Go back and read a few post so that it re-enters your mind who we originally were speaking of... :rolleyes:

[Var]

If it's wrecked badly enough he might not have a choice. MVS polearms might not be something Rakshata can duplicate so he gets swords which are close enough.

True, but I don't see how she can create twin MSV swords and not be able to create twin MSV polearms. Its not exactly much more than taking a blade and putting it on a pike.

Also as someone on another forum pointed out characters do in fact switch main weapons at times. Guilford doesn't use the Gloucester lance with Vincent for example, and Kallen switched to her radiation wave as her main weapon despite being more familiar with regular KMF weapons before hand.

The Vincent uses a dual, shorter tipped, lance. It is not a jousting lance, sure enough, but is is a lance nonetheless. It is a similar attack style if only slightly more versitile, he's not switching to from mid-range to complete melee. He also uses the weapon in a similar manner, charging with it.

As for Kallen, she received a better weapon which she learned to use over the course of S1. The machine was what was powerful at the start, it was by the end that she truly mastered the Guren. This is also ignoring the fact that the original Guren did not have many of the usual KMF weapons so she had little choice.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

*sigh* Read the full sentence, will you? I said "She wouldn't join Charles because of Nunnally" Since I'm saying "because of Nunnally", I'm obviously NOT talking about Nunnally, right? Go back and read a few post so that it re-enters your mind who we originally were speaking of... :rolleyes:

Gah lost track of the whole thing. Need sleep.

Like I said (ignoring the fact that I was joking on that part), it depends on what happens in 18. I don't think they would have a big battle like that 3/4 of the way. They are setting something up which would dictate on which side everyone chooses.

If there really are 3 factions it could mean that britannia is split in half between Charles and Schenzeil.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Like I said (ignoring the fact that I was joking on that part), it depends on what happens in 18. I don't think they would have a big battle like that 3/4 of the way. They are setting something up which would dictate on which side everyone chooses.

They may well be setting soemthing up, but then, again, we have serveral so-calleed "setting up"-subplots, which may or may not come true - and which may also be interpreted different ways... :heh:

[geewhiz]

If there really are 3 factions it could mean that britannia is split in half between Charles and Schenzeil. I'm not willing to buy that just yet, yet everyone else's taking it on faith there'll be a Schneizel-led or Schneizel-backed faction opposing Charles. Y'all're just assuming it'll happen.

Eh, how? This is where speculation comes in handy (and shouldn't be treated like an assumption). What scenarios would lead to Schneizel forming an opposition faction to the throne?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I'm not willing to buy that just yet, yet everyone else's taking it on faith there'll be a Schneizel-led or Schneizel-backed faction opposing Charles. Y'all're just assuming it'll happen.

Eh, how? This is where speculation comes in handy (and shouldn't be treated like an assumption). What scenarios would lead to Schneizel forming an opposition faction to the throne?

Personally I'm not willing to buy it yet either, but who knows.. The only reason he would have for directly opposing Charles would be to take the throne for himself. We may indeed see a spilt of factions within Britannia (though not even that is guranteed as a matter of fact - or evven that Schneizel will be the head of it).

[mysociallink2]

No I meant that Nunnally will be sticking with Charles.

Why do you think that?
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[Schneizel]

Schniezel Faction: wants everyone to just get along and stop the fighting
The only way I can see that being true is if it's, "I'm going to nuke everyone to stop fighting and then everyone will be miserable and just innately get along."

[aurr]

Why do you think that?
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[Koshimizu]

This week's newsletter.
I know it's tiny. But that's how big it is in the newsletter.
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Keywords of Turn 18:
Being prepared to not shoot is also necessary.「撃たない覚悟も必要なんだ」

The Shirley pic in 2nd ending was originally decided for 1st ending. When CLAMP was asked to draw the ending pics, they discussed with director Taniguchi and decide on which characters to draw. And then CLAMP decides to use "wings and chains" as their concept.

So they made sketches, clean up, and started coloring. Here we have a set of beautiful illustrations... except for one problem. The "wing and chains" concept and the image of Shirley flying hints too much on her fate. So this one is decided to be used for the 2nd ending. We asked CLAMP to draw Gino & Anya as a replacement in 1st ending.

So we have 18 pieces in total, all beautiful illustrations. Our sincere thanks to CLAMP.

See you next week.

[Var]

The Shirley pic in 2nd ending was originally decided for 1st ending. When CLAMP was asked to draw the ending pics, they discussed with director Taniguchi and decide on which characters to draw. And then CLAMP decides to use "wings and chains" as their concept.

So they made sketches, clean up, and started coloring. Here we have a set of beautiful illustrations... except for one problem. The "wing and chains" concept and the image of Shirley flying hints too much on her fate. So this one is decided to be used for the 2nd ending. We asked CLAMP to draw Gino & Anya as a replacement in 1st ending.

So we have 18 pieces in total, all beautiful illustrations. Our sincere thanks to CLAMP.

See you next week.

So those pictures did have meaning. How does this tie into there being only one other person in the ED with real wings?

And as always... Thanks Koshimizu. (And you thought I was going to say something about the T-Rex didn't you?!)

[Tokkan]

This explains the "happiness" talk around the Gino/Anya picture. It also helps lend credence to the theory that the lyrics relate to the people in the pictures and reflect Lelouch's own feelings of the people depicted by them.

[Koshimizu]

So those pictures did have meaning. How does this tie into there being only one other person in the ED with real wings?

And as always... Thanks Koshimizu. (And you thought I was going to say something about the T-Rex didn't you?!)I'm not sure. Kawaguchi said they give requests to CLAMP on who to draw. More likely not on how to draw them, or they wouldn't end up with "hey this Shirley isn't drawn as planned! We can't use this in the 1st ending!"

This does explain why Shirley's illustration sorta stand out in the 2nd ending though. The coloring style is different. The other illustrations have heavier/darker color, while Shirley is still light like the 1st set.

T-Rex with wings and chains? (flees)

[Var]

I'm not sure. Kawaguchi said they give requests to CLAMP on who to draw. More likely not on how to draw them, or they wouldn't end up with "hey this Shirley isn't drawn as planned! We can't use this in the 1st ending!"

This does explain why Shirley's illustration sorta stand out in the 2nd ending though. The coloring style is different. The other illustrations have heavier/darker color, while Shirley is still light like the 1st set.

T-Rex with wings and chains? (flees)

I'd imagine, from how I read what Kawaguchi said, is that they give request with some general outline of what they want. Otherwise, why would Shirley's ED picture be so telling? If they had just shown her in the ED without giving CLAMP any idea as to what to draw, then it really wouldn't have been able to spoil anything, least of all her dieing as no one really saw that coming.

Given that, I think they do give CLAMP a general idea as to what to draw, because Shirley's drawing is one that alludes to separation/death.

Winged T-Rex? Even more fearsome then ever before!



So this is from way back when the first Episode of CG R2 aired. Thanks to Koshimizu, I can actually fix the rather odd Anya and Gino part and put in the person that actually belongs. I'll cross out what I've changed and italic the newly added.



Lelouch's Point of View:
I try to gather the pieces of happiness (Lelouch)
That my heart picked up one day
~ Reminiscing of the past while moving forward. Reference to Lelouch's own thoughts about his actions and rememberance of what he's lost along the way. Also has a more happy side to it in that he has no forgotten the happiness and is trying to make it whole again.
~ Has the chains in/around his hand. Shows control and at the same time restraint. Black wings.
~This is Lelouch's new goal, or at least was. Ironically and fittingly, it ended with the end of the this ED.

The melody I had started to forget (Nunnally and Rollo)
Still hasn’t faded from within me
~ With the way the transition between pictures happens, the last part of the previous section feels like it refers to Nunally and Rollo as well, giving an embodiment to Lelouch's happiness. It's also saying that he'll never forget his sister, refering to the mind wipe.
~ Nunally is encompassed in ribbons instead of chains, alluding to her regal entrapment by V.V.. Rollo is ensnared at the leg and around the black wing, could imply any number of things, but I go with: He's held back by something, taking into account the black wing, it could mean that he has become attached to Lelouch. The disappearing white wing further's this, perhaps alluding to an allegiance change.
~Nunally's ribbons are alluding to her puppet role in the government and also her new prison. We've seen that much. Rolo's wings were symbolic of his side switching (though that feels a little odd to say). Lelouch's words are alluding to his remembrance of why started everything and, in Ep.11, of his love for Nunally.

Lelouch's or Suzaku's Point of View:
I thank you from the bottom of my heart (Cornelia and Euphemia)
Everything I have now is thanks to you all
~ It feels like an apology to Cornelia and, more so, Euphie. Its two fold in its meaning. In the past they were like his family, they gave him happiness and a good life. In the present they were enemies and friends and sacrifices, for Lelouch's future. Ultimately, they have helped shape his life through all events.
~ Also of note, this can also be Suzaku. Euphie made him what he is to day, both in good and bad ways. And Cornelia gave him the chance.
~ The chain is around Cornelia's weapon, binding it. This is more or less how she is now, hidden away and unable to do anything. It could also reference to her inability to defeat Zero. Euphie has white wings for obvious reasons. Cornelia's cloak is wing-like and white.
~The chain is on the same arm that Cornelia can no longer use, so her weapon has truly been ensnared.

Suzaku's Point of View:[s/] Lelouch's Point of View:
I thank you from the bottom of my heart [s](Gino and Anya) (Shirley)
Now I’ll be the one to give you happiness
~ Either this switches to Suzaku or Lelouch comes to know both Anya and Gino. I doubt the later, therein I'll go with the former. It feels like he tanks them for their friendship, after his loss of everything, and promises to make them happy. This could imply a relationship with Anya or simply becoming very good friends.
~ If you wait long enough, you can see that the chains are connecting the two of them. From Gino's hand to Anya's ankle. This probably references their bond as friends that's been established. The wings are a toss up, they could imply allegiance or they could mean she'll die.
~This is referring to her kindness to him and her love for him. She did so much for him, and he planned to make her happy. But like his dreams, this ended in shambles.

Lelouch's Point of View:
I won’t forget anything (Emperor and V.V.)
I’m still the same as I was that day
~ This is pretty clear cut. It's defiance of his father and V.V.. It's referencing the day he stormed out and opposed his father. Applying it to the present, the wording makes sense as he is indeed the same as that day.
~ V.V.'s chain's come out from the Emperor, if you look closely. Showing that one of them is controlling the other. Due to Wakamoto's position, I'd say he is the one in control. V.V. and Charles both don't have actual wings but representations of them, this could be an allusion similar to a fallen angel or pretending to be angels. Interestingly enough, V.V.'s chains form a helix.

Lelouch's Point of View:
I have to tell you (Kallen)
That I love you more often
~ Like C.C., Kallen has the chain's connected to her neck and nowhere else, and is in fact holding one of the chains. Not much needs to be said about that. Black Wings. And totally bad ass! :heh: (For something totally out there, the coat could be in reference to Lelouch's coat in episode two... not too farfetched.)
~ I wonder if we can say that that coat is the coat Lelouch put on her, as it does appear a few times. :p
~ I'd imagine this is representative of what occurred between them between Ep.7 and now.

Lelouch's Point of View:
On the nights you are about to cry (Suzaku)
Just turn around
~ This is reference to 25 and the fact that Lelouch did everything he could for Suzaku and that, in all probability, he still does not hate him. No matter what happens, he will always be Suzaku's friend. This is compounded by the flashback we get in 26.
~ Probably the most symbolic. Suzaku tied up at the hands, refercing his inability to change anything and his ultimate failure at defeating fate. Though, at the same time, we have wings freeing themselves from within his uniform, white wings. Could imply death, or any number of things. Not bad ass.

Lelouch's Point of View:
To retrace your steps (C.C.)
To make sure you don’t forget that day
~ While the latter part could be refering to any number of things, the former is not to hard to decipher. We know C.C. is regaining humanity, and retracing her steps would take her back to find out who she was and truly is. About the second part, the wording makes it feel something similar to how Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust ended. Continuing on but not forgetting the promise.
~ One wing. The broken egg could refer to her but I believe its more in reference to Lelouch who she's freed. She's more wrapped up by her chains than Kallen, implying her bout with fate and struggle against it. The chain is, as mentioned previously, connected to her neck.


Not sure why I did that, likely for shits and giggles while I wait for our laser to stop being bitchy and work.

[KrimzonStriker]

This week's newsletter.
I know it's tiny. But that's how big it is in the newsletter.
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Keywords of Turn 18:
Being prepared to not shoot is also necessary.「撃たない覚悟も必要なんだ」

The Shirley pic in 2nd ending was originally decided for 1st ending. When CLAMP was asked to draw the ending pics, they discussed with director Taniguchi and decide on which characters to draw. And then CLAMP decides to use "wings and chains" as their concept.

So they made sketches, clean up, and started coloring. Here we have a set of beautiful illustrations... except for one problem. The "wing and chains" concept and the image of Shirley flying hints too much on her fate. So this one is decided to be used for the 2nd ending. We asked CLAMP to draw Gino & Anya as a replacement in 1st ending.

So we have 18 pieces in total, all beautiful illustrations. Our sincere thanks to CLAMP.

See you next week.

Oh please don't tell me she's going to shoot him again? :rolleyes:

You see, I thought this episode would cool Lelouch down a little and it looks like it will :p

[Blue_Mercy]

This week's newsletter.
I know it's tiny. But that's how big it is in the newsletter.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/15_cap01.jpg Ougi!!! (screams)
Keywords of Turn 18:
Being prepared to not shoot is also necessary.「撃たない覚悟も必要なんだ」

The Shirley pic in 2nd ending was originally decided for 1st ending. When CLAMP was asked to draw the ending pics, they discussed with director Taniguchi and decide on which characters to draw. And then CLAMP decides to use "wings and chains" as their concept.

So they made sketches, clean up, and started coloring. Here we have a set of beautiful illustrations... except for one problem. The "wing and chains" concept and the image of Shirley flying hints too much on her fate. So this one is decided to be used for the 2nd ending. We asked CLAMP to draw Gino & Anya as a replacement in 1st ending.

So we have 18 pieces in total, all beautiful illustrations. Our sincere thanks to CLAMP.

See you next week.

Looks like Lelouch makes a quick run behind the knightmare to avoid being hit by dad's rewrite memories.

That still doesn't explain why Kallen got screwed out of being in the ending.:frustrated:

[Bennyswan]

Oh please don't tell me she's going to shoot him again? :rolleyes:

If she shoots him again, I'm going to cry laughing!! Thats going to ruin every chance of Oghi getting back with her.

[Diedrupo]

If she shoots him again, I'm going to cry laughing!! Thats going to ruin every chance of Oghi getting back with her.

:heh:

I'm hoping she's pointing the gun at Sayoko instead

[Guilford]

We only see her pointing the gun towards someone, doesn't mean she will shoot, right? ;)

[Bennyswan]

We only see her pointing the gun towards someone, doesn't mean she will shoot, right? ;)

Yep she probley won't shoot, but the funny thing is, i don't recall her ever firing a gun but she always held one like shes ready to shoot.

[Blue_Mercy]

Yep she probley won't shoot, but the funny thing is, i don't recall her ever firing a gun but she always held one like shes ready to shoot.

She fired one when she shot Ougi the first time.:heh:

[Witacume]

This week's newsletter.
I know it's tiny. But that's how big it is in the newsletter.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/lemurianmoon/2008Aug/15_cap01.jpg Ougi!!! (screams)
Keywords of Turn 18:
Being prepared to not shoot is also necessary.「撃たない覚悟も必要なんだ」

The Shirley pic in 2nd ending was originally decided for 1st ending. When CLAMP was asked to draw the ending pics, they discussed with director Taniguchi and decide on which characters to draw. And then CLAMP decides to use "wings and chains" as their concept.

So they made sketches, clean up, and started coloring. Here we have a set of beautiful illustrations... except for one problem. The "wing and chains" concept and the image of Shirley flying hints too much on her fate. So this one is decided to be used for the 2nd ending. We asked CLAMP to draw Gino & Anya as a replacement in 1st ending.

So we have 18 pieces in total, all beautiful illustrations. Our sincere thanks to CLAMP.

See you next week.

What i found interesting is the pose CC is in. Look at her. Why is she in the exact pose VV was in? This makes me kinda fearful of her now. This may be alluding of things to come.

[Bennyswan]

She fired one when she shot Ougi the first time.:heh:

lol! whoops i forgot about that silly me

[Daniani]

Thanks Koshimizu.What i found interesting is the pose CC is in. Look at her. Why is she in the exact pose VV was in? This makes me kinda fearful of her now. This may be alluding of things to come.
More like a floating goddess pose to me...

[morbosfist]

Damnit Villetta, think it through before you shoot Ohgi again. You're not on the winning team, after all, and he's not such a bad guy.

[-KarumA-]

who says she's going to shoot him again =P
if anyone ends up being shot then ofc is it either Oughi or Viletta, one of them is going to die this sunday.. heck they said they would have a "god knows the name of that era" tragedy.. one of them will die otherwise it wouldnt have been called a tragedy, I'm hoping for Oughi actually cause I'd like to see more Viletta, though if she dies hen Ough might actually go for revenge and become more intersting X< nyuuuh either way one's going down sunday!

my guess is that Oughi or Viletta gets in the way in a "I will protect you!~UGH! *SHOT*" mannor =P to put it measily

[morbosfist]

Why else would she go all the way there after Jeremiah, her last hope, switched sides? She probably won't pull the trigger, but it's still disappointing to see.

[SonOfHeaven]

who says she's going to shoot him again =P
if anyone ends up being shot then ofc is it either Oughi or Viletta, one of them is going to die this sunday.. heck they said they would have a "god knows the name of that era" tragedy.. one of them will die otherwise it wouldnt have been called a tragedy, I'm hoping for Oughi actually cause I'd like to see more Viletta, though if she dies hen Ough might actually go for revenge and become more intersting X< nyuuuh either way one's going down sunday!

my guess is that Oughi or Viletta gets in the way in a "I will protect you!~UGH! *SHOT*" mannor =P to put it measily

I'm guessing Viletta kicks the bucket.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Why else would she go all the way there after Jeremiah, her last hope, switched sides? She probably won't pull the trigger, but it's still disappointing to see.

Given the circumstances she'd be wise to be cautious. Though what happens is anyone's guess.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Didn't Villetta say she was planning on using Ougi?

[morbosfist]

Her statement was open-ended. It could have meant anything. I suppose it's too much to ask that both get off without dying given the spoilers, but one can always hope. Ohgi took getting shot in the stomach pretty well, I'd say he deserves at least a little something in return.

[incorrupts]

I don't think Viletta would shoot twice Oughi but yeah, it's CG so it's on the table.
But poor guy, cut him some slack. Cause if that is the case, i can predict another death. {second chances are a lie.}

[Var]

Her statement was open-ended. It could have meant anything. I suppose it's too much to ask that both get off without dying given the spoilers, but one can always hope. Ohgi took getting shot in the stomach pretty well, I'd say he deserves at least a little something in return.

Last time, it was Ougi's loyalty to Zero vs. his love for Chigusa/Villeta, with the latter winning out and him losing. I can easily see it being the same this time, but not for Ougi but Villeta.

[Daniani]

who says she's going to shoot him again =P
if anyone ends up being shot then ofc is it either Oughi or Viletta, one of them is going to die this sunday.. heck they said they would have a "god knows the name of that era" tragedy.. one of them will die otherwise it wouldnt have been called a tragedy, I'm hoping for Oughi actually cause I'd like to see more Viletta, though if she dies hen Ough might actually go for revenge and become more intersting X< nyuuuh either way one's going down sunday!

my guess is that Oughi or Viletta gets in the way in a "I will protect you!~UGH! *SHOT*" mannor =P to put it measily
The Ogi VA's interview in the last Newtype says something bad has happen (I guess Villetta or Ogi got hurt. So the interview was made after the Turn 15 at least), but the two were still alive when this interview was made, so no one will die in Turn 15.

[kk2extreme]

nanaully remains the only one pure of heart till the end

[Kaioshin Sama]

Nunally actually has her own super Geass, she doesn't need Charles. :p

Non-canon super Geass that is.

[Var]

Non-canon super Geass that is.

I was making a joke, but sure. :p

[KrimzonStriker]

Non-canon super Geass that is.

She can see the future!? :twitch:

[Claies]

She can see the future!? :twitch:

And that's why she smiles the whole time. :p

[KrimzonStriker]

And that's why she smiles the whole time. :p

Soo, is it a good future you think? :heh:

[Jestersage]

However, I am wondering if it's possible for Nunnally to have a gGeass that is based on processing.

Aside from the artificial geass, Both Charles and lelouch's Geass are output based, while Mao's is input based. What we are lacking in one that is processing-based.

What if Nunnally's geass in this one that allows rapid processing, to the point that he basically can see the future most of the time?

[Blue_Mercy]

I'm more interested to learn what C.C.'s geass power was before she became immortal and who gave it to her.

[Pink-chan]

I'm more interested to learn what C.C.'s geass power was before she became immortal and who gave it to her.

I second it :D

[bladeofdarkness]

I'm more interested to learn what C.C.'s geass power was before she became immortal and who gave it to her.


fucking someones mind up using indirect contact
she did it to suzaku and anya before

[morbosfist]

That's what she can do now. Her old Geass power might have been completely different. To be more precise, it would almost surely have to be, since no basic Geass we have seen requires physical contact. Most don't even need eye contact.

[bladeofdarkness]

That's what she can do now. Her old Geass power might have been completely different. To be more precise, it would almost surely have to be, since no basic Geass we have seen requires physical contact. Most don't even need eye contact.

she doesnt need direct physical contact
she did it both times while the target was in a KMF

[morbosfist]

That's still transmission through a medium of some sort. No other Geass user has demonstrated such an odd requirement. It would be odd for hers to be so different.