Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[Dummy Account]

what wood make Nunnally become Schneizel ally

use her to fight lelouch

[lightbringer]

Well, I think Bismark has about 25% chance of surviving the first encuonter, but by the second one he'd better die like a good boy :)

Bismark is like a remainder of the "old order". He was all cozy with Charles and even Marianne knew him well. Granted, all the KoR are appointed by the emperor, but Bismark is obviously top among them. Now that Marianne and Charles are space dust, we need to lose Bismark (and maybe C.C., but her case is special plus people will kill me for saying that).

[Dream_Traveller]

There won't be a second encounter.

[JMvS]

what wood make Nunnally become Schneizel ally

The same kind of trick that persuaded Nina to build a Weapon of Mass Destruction in the memory of peace loving Euphemia:
-a poker face (The Schneizel Mask TM): smiling and being gentle (and gloves to avoid the lie-detector trick, altough he's probably already a skillfull liar).
-sweet words: "Your brother would have wanted for you to oppose him, as he is now mad!"
-bishies underlings! "Yes Your Highness, your dear Onii-san has lost his mind, you must oppose him for his sake!"

[zalem]

The only way I could see Nunnally turning against Lulu would be a geass, but then again Schneizel has always relied on his cunning. Maybe he'll just manipulate her in some messed up way. At least I hope because where on earth did he get geass from? Neither V.V. or C.C. seem like likely candidates.

As for the Nunnally being alive thing.....I am surprised, yet not. My gut instinct was screaming that she was still alive, but when I saw that the official chart changed from missing to dead I assumed she had to be dead. The dead people on that chart have thus far stayed dead. Turns out the gut instinct was right afterall. Though I do wonder how they will manage it. I thought the only real legit way to save her would be if Charles used teleportation powers like V.V.'s. But from the way him and Marianne were in ep. 21 I assumed that avenue was closed. With Ragnarok and the dead and the living becoming one, they really wouldn't give a damn if she died or not. But maybe he did save her afterall. There is also the second shuttle theory, but that one just doesn't make any sense at all to me...

[Orga777]

The same kind of trick that persuaded Nina to build a Weapon of Mass Destruction in the memory of peace loving Euphemia:
-a poker face (The announced Schneizel Mask): smiling and smiling...
-sweet words: "Your brother would have wanted for you to oppose him, as he is now mad!"
-bishies underlings! "Yes Your Highness, your dear Onii-san has lost his mind, you must oppose him for his sake!"

I don't think he even has to do THAT. All he has to do is say "He Geassed Euphie into killing the Japanese." And then... well... that is all that needs to be done.

[jayhellnice]

but lelouch is her brother and he is doing this for her Schneizel is noboty it her

[Dream_Traveller]

So what? Schneizel can easily manipulate her. If she finds out Lelouch killed Euphemia and Clovis, caused a massacre, was partly responsible for the FLEIA usage and other things, she'll be vehemently against him.

[Sprite_Coke]

what wood make Nunnally become Schneizel ally

His own Geass *gasp* !!!!!!!!!!!

[Orga777]

but lelouch is her brother and he is doing this for her Schneizel is noboty it her

If she learns her brother was the one behind all the horrors as Zero, she would go against him. Remember, she already said Zero was wrong before.

And Schneizel isn't "nobody" to her. They still grew up together and she knew Schneizel was always Lelouch's rival. That was said way back in S1 actually.

[geewhiz]

Humorous postulation: the staff is not foreshadowing...they really cannot finish Schneizel's thoughts!

Schneizel: "Cornelia, do you know the other meaning of authority?"
Cornelia: ???
Schneizel: "Well, I'm not tellin' ya! Why? 'Cause those damn writers can't complete my thoughts!"

later....

Schneizel: "Will it be Lelouch's geass, or..." *looks down at script, turns to staff*
Schneizel: "Uh guys, this sentence isn't finished."
Staff: "We know. We can't figure out what you'd say next. So we gave you a cliffhanger."
Schneizel: "Dagnabbit! Give me full lines next time or I'll bust a Damocles cap in your collective asses!"

[bladeofdarkness]

If she learns her brother was the one behind all the horrors as Zero, she would go against him. Remember, she already said Zero was wrong before.

And Schneizel isn't "nobody" to her. They still grew up together and she knew Schneizel was always Lelouch's rival. That was said in S1 actually.

she was ready to except zero before she knew he was lulu
and she took care of kallen pretty well despite her being zeros bodyguard

[jayhellnice]

she knows he was zero and for gave him she sed i can not for give all alone when she was talking with Suzaku

[lightbringer]

Humorous postulation: the staff is not foreshadowing...they really cannot finish Schneizel's thoughts!


Nice theory. And yet, they don't seem to have a problem coming up with lines for Lulu and Xingke, and those are both portrayed to be as intelligent as Schneizel.

[Sprite_Coke]

she was ready to except zero before she knew he was lulu
and she took care of kallen pretty well despite her being zeros bodyguard

There have been hints that Nunnally figured out that Zero = Lelouch.

On the first kidnap attempt, after Suzaku grabs Nunnally on his Lancelot, and Lelouch grabbed by Guren,
Lelouch: Nunnallllllllly
Nunnally: gasp.

[Kaioshin Sama]

hahaha hahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

What did I say yesterday? WHAT DID I FREAKING SAY! And you all told me I was wrong. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Looks like I was right.

BTW the best explaination is that Freya doesn't atomize but rather transport elsewhere. This has yet to be proven wrong it only looked like they were being atomized.

Best explanation is all the clues I pointed out about a decoy ship in episode 18. You even see another ship in the hangar. Rohmeyer was on a different ship then Nunally and it left after her.

[hatenshu]

yes she tried to forgive Zero
anyway,schneizel probably lied to her,he manipulate her right

[Micante]

Nice theory. And yet, they don't seem to have a problem coming up with lines for Lulu and Xingke, and those are both portrayed to be as intelligent as Schneizel.

But they're more straightshooters. Schneizel is like a curveball.

[Var]

Best explanation is all the clues I pointed out about a decoy ship in episode 18. You even see another ship in the hangar. Rohmeyer was on a different ship then Nunally and it left after her.

This. Logic is greater than everyone's insistent rambling.

[Dream_Traveller]

yes she tried to forgive Zero
anyway,schneizel probably lied to her,he manipulate her right

Truths aren't lies.

[geewhiz]

But they're more straightshooters. Schneizel is like a curveball.

Schneizel's best comparison to a historical person is, I'd say, Bismark (Prussian leader late nineteenth century).

[Orga777]

she was ready to except zero before she knew he was lulu
and she took care of kallen pretty well despite her being zeros bodyguard

Kallen was a friend. And Nunnally doesn't know ANY details about how Zero did things, or that her brother would be capable of such things.

[zalem]

Best explanation is all the clues I pointed out about a decoy ship in episode 18. You even see another ship in the hangar. Rohmeyer was on a different ship then Nunally and it left after her.

But that theory bothers the hell out of me. Why was the ship not found? It should have still been in the general area. Why did neither Sayoko nor Nunnally contact Lelouch? Unless Schneizel found the ship first and held them prisoner or something.

[geewhiz]

Kallen was a friend. And Nunnally doesn't know ANY details about how Zero did things, or that her brother would be capable of such things.

If Nunnally is truly alive, the best scenario for her I can imagine is a conversation with C.C. Not gonna happen, but would be a revealing scenario...

[lightbringer]

Best explanation is all the clues I pointed out about a decoy ship in episode 18. You even see another ship in the hangar. Rohmeyer was on a different ship then Nunally and it left after her.

I'm surprised this was even in doubt (Rohmeyer wouldn't be all cool like that being on the same plane with Sayoko et al.), although I always thought that both planes got evaporated. Having Nunnally confront Lelouch might have its own charm, though. But I hope it won't end with Lelouch defeated by the "power of love" or some crap like that.:heh:

About Schneizel, I think I'm saying this for the third time now, but he has no need to lie to Nunnally. Lelouch has sinned plenty enough for Schneizel to drop the bomb using truth only.

[jayhellnice]

i will be pissed if she is the one to kill him or not side with him by the end

[Orga777]

i will be pissed if she is the one to kill him or not side with him by the end

That would just be another instance of "divine retribution" actually. I would be satisfied if it goes to that.

[Arabesque]

But that theory bothers the hell out of me. Why was the ship not found? It should have still been in the general area. Why did neither Sayoko nor Nunnally contact Lelouch? Unless Schneizel found the ship first and held them prisoner or something.

Simple. If you think about the episodes quote, ''Lelouch, you don't hate me?'', then you can safely asume that Schneizel did find them first and will be using her aginst Lelouch.

[eaglei3]

But that theory bothers the hell out of me. Why was the ship not found? It should have still been in the general area. Why did neither Sayoko nor Nunnally contact Lelouch? Unless Schneizel found the ship first and held them prisoner or something.

Nonette did it!!! She was secretly hiding in the cockpit of Nunnally's plane. Sayoko was really looking around at all the guards with her that ambushed them in surprise, not Fleia. :heh:

[Ring]

I'm surprised this was even in doubt (Rohmeyer wouldn't be all cool like that being on the same plane with Sayoko et al.), although I always thought that both planes got evaporated. Having Nunnally confront Lelouch might have its own charm, though. But I hope it won't end with Lelouch defeated by the "power of love" or some crap like that.:heh:
Since the Korean spoilers said her survival was unknown instead of killed/dead and that decoy ship theory was a plausible one, I leaned towards her living before the site updated her as dead. That's when I also thought that both ships got destroyed. Looks like it was just Schneizel retrieving her ship first.

[Dream_Traveller]

Nonette actually does something! :heh:

[White Manju Bun]

Yikes this thread is huge! New thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1861363#post1861363) now open, please continue there. Sorry to anyone who was in mid post when I closed this :heh: