Code Geass R2 - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[JesseJamesRocket]

Cornelia wants to expose geass to the world though, something that Charles and V.V don't seem to be too keen on doing. If anything they are on a similar boat as Lelouch if Geass does get revealed, at the very least their interest in those ruins would be exposed.

If Cornelia succeeds, and the world finds out about Geass, and that Zero has one, I wonder if he'd lose control of the OotBK due to mistrust? There'd probably have to be a season 3 then, since this season would end up being an "Empire strikes back" kind of season.

[m1thril]

If Cornelia succeeds, and the world finds out about Geass, and that Zero has one, I wonder if he'd lose control of the OotBK due to mistrust? There'd probably have to be a season 3 then, since this season would end up being an "Empire strikes back" kind of season.

no i don't think they would care. it's already been implied that the OotBK will blindly follow Zero as long as they can get japan back.

[Dyllani]

If Cornelia succeeds, and the world finds out about Geass, and that Zero has one, I wonder if he'd lose control of the OotBK due to mistrust? There'd probably have to be a season 3 then, since this season would end up being an "Empire strikes back" kind of season.I highly doubt he'd lose the trust of his Blackknights (Not any of the important ones). Zero has saved them a thousand times over, he gave them hope. They've come to far to abandon him. Geass wouldn't change anything. Their resolve to create an independent Japan is too strong. Zero having "Super Powers" would only make the dream seem all the more possible...

[JesseJamesRocket]

no i don't think they would care. it's already been implied that the OotBK will blindly follow Zero as long as they can get japan back.


I highly doubt he'd lose the trust of his Blackknights (Not any of the important ones). Zero has saved them a thousand times over, he gave them hope. They've come to far to abandon him. Geass wouldn't change anything. Their resolve to create an independent Japan is too strong. Zero having "Super Powers" would only make the dream seem all the more possible...

I guess what I mean is that they might question their loyalty. Whether it is real, or if Zero forced their allegiance. Of course that isn't the case, but it would be natural to ponder after hearing about such a huge secret your leader has been keeping from you.

[iBeast]

So when is 13 coming out?

[Dream_Traveller]

...Every episode comes out on a Sunday. Do you really need to ask?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

I highly doubt he'd lose the trust of his Blackknights (Not any of the important ones). Zero has saved them a thousand times over, he gave them hope. They've come to far to abandon him. Geass wouldn't change anything. Their resolve to create an independent Japan is too strong. Zero having "Super Powers" would only make the dream seem all the more possible...

Yeah but the whole purpose of Cornelia revealing geass is to clear Euphie's name.

Which obviously means that Zero "geassed" Euphie into massacring the Japanese in order to protect his plans. How'd you think they handle that?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Yeah but the whole purpose of Cornelia revealing geass is to clear Euphie's name.

Which obviously means that Zero "geassed" Euphie into massacring the Japanese in order to protect his plans. How'd you think they handle that?
That would require Cornelia to directly oppose both the Britannian faction responsible for covering up the person who killed Euphie, AND oppose the faction who wanted Geass to remain a secret. The two factions are likely separate.

Thus this would be too much for Cornelia to fight against on her own. And it's not like the 11s would want to hear what the sister of Euphie would say.

Worse, make enough fuss about Geass, and even the Emperor might get involved. That would be VERY nasty for her.

Cornelia might have more enemies than Zero at this point, which is no mean feat.

[yezhanquan]

That would require Cornelia to directly oppose both the Britannian faction responsible for covering up the person who killed Euphie, AND oppose the faction who wanted Geass to remain a secret. The two factions are likely separate.

Thus this would be too much for Cornelia to fight against on her own. And it's not like the 11s would want to hear what the sister of Euphie would say.

Worse, make enough fuss about Geass, and even the Emperor might get involved. That would be VERY nasty for her.

Cornelia might have more enemies than Zero at this point, which is no mean feat.

Hence, I believe that broken and exhausted, she'll accept V.V./Charles's offer of a Geass.

[demon_god04]

Hence, I believe that broken and exhausted, she'll accept V.V./Charles's offer of a Geass.

Why would Cornelia accept a geass from V.V, or better yet why should V.V offer a geass to someone that is working actively to expose his secret?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Hence, I believe that broken and exhausted, she'll accept V.V./Charles's offer of a Geass.

Not possible. As I pointed out, currently Cornelia is charging headlong into the Britannian elite with her sword drawn. Her attempts at exposing the Geass to the public is perhaps the most dangerous threat Charles would currently face. She is directly fighting against the government here; there wouldn't be any help from V.V. on that front.

[yezhanquan]

To get Cornelia over to their side. If they throw in a promise (could be empty) to clear Euphie's name, it will be attractive.

[rpgman1]

Looks like to me that Cornelia will either have to side with the Emperor or Zero. There won't be a third faction, as that will already make the series a complete mess as chaos reigns and confusion reigns over them. Prince Schneizel already has plans to take over the Chinese Federation (with help from Nina). All the Emperor does is watch from the shadows to see the events unfolding, then he tricks or brainwashes those people with his Geass (like the manipulator he is).

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Looks like to me that Cornelia will either have to side with the Emperor or Zero. There won't be a third faction, as that will already make the series a complete mess as chaos reigns and confusion reigns over them.

Actullay, there could well be a third faction (which could solve many problems in itself), though exactly who it's key players would be is difficult to say (Silver Soul's bet is that the third faction will consist of Cornelia and Suzaku, mainly :heh: ).

[yezhanquan]

Actullay, there could well be a third faction (which could solve many problems in itself), though exactly who it's key players would be is difficult to say (Silver Soul's bet is that the third faction will consist of Cornelia and Suzaku, mainly :heh: ).

Now, these two together is more probable than anything.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

To get Cornelia over to their side. If they throw in a promise (could be empty) to clear Euphie's name, it will be attractive.

Cornelia is not the type to take the Emperor at his word. Charles don't make promises; he either do what he wants or do nothing.

It is the Britannian government who helped framed Euphie; they did it because they wanted to. And they could clear her name anytime they wanted to too. Cornelia isn't so stupid as to think something as empty as a "promise" would work in Britannian High Society.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Now, these two together is more probable than anything.

Well, it isn't like they don't have any ties to each other - and their purposes might go arm in arm, sorta, hence why a third faction created by them might not be entirely impossible as such (though that would require Suzaku to betray his superiors as such, which is hard to believe that he would do as things stand now)

[yezhanquan]

If Charles clears Euphie's name, Cornelia will most likely join. Of course, I don't know if Cornelia is more useful to him, or the need to cover up the Geass is more pressing.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

If Charles clears Euphie's name there and then, Cornelia will most likely join. Of course, I don't know if Cornelia is more useful to him, or the need to cover up the Geass is more pressing.

Charles has made a point of keeping Geass a secret though. Cornelia would have to be VERY useful (or too dangerous as an enemy) for him to break that policy. And Cornelia'd be smart enough to, as one might say, demand payment in advance :D:heh:

[yezhanquan]

Charles (smiling): You are indeed my daughter, Cornelia.
Cornelia (thin smile): You've taught me well, my lord.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

It is the Britannian government who helped framed Euphie; they did it because they wanted to. And they could clear her name anytime they wanted to too. Cornelia isn't so stupid as to think something as empty as a "promise" would work in Britannian High Society.

Frame Euphie? She went up there and ordered the massacre, it was all on Youtube there's no denying it.

She literally betrayed both the Britannians and Japanese in this.

That and Geass is known to only a very few select so it was the only path for the britannian administration to take. Euphie betrayed them so they executed her (which ironically was carried out by a britannian prince).

There's no way they can clear the name unless Zero comes out and confirms it.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Frame Euphie? She went up there and ordered the massacre, it was all on Youtube there's no denying it.

She literally betrayed both the Britannians and Japanese in this.

That and Geass is known to only a very few select so it was the only path for the britannian administration to take. Euphie betrayed them so they executed her (which ironically was carried out by a britannian prince).

There's no way they can clear the name unless Zero comes out and confirms it.

Britannia controls the media. And since the truth is related to Geass, Cornelia would need to fight those who want to keep Geass a secret. Threatening Zero at gunpoint or anything else wouldn't do any good unless the Britannan government stop lying.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Britannia controls the media. And since the truth is related to Geass, Cornelia would need to fight those who want to keep Geass a secret. Threatening Zero at gunpoint or anything else wouldn't do any good unless the Britannan government stop lying.

Didn't do any good for Jeremiah when Zero revealed he killed Clovis.

Okay so then does Lelouch want to keep Geass a secret as well?

And if she exposes Geass and states that it was Geass that made Euphie go Rambo, then Zero is the next step isn't it cause there's sure hell as no way that can't be ignored and forgiven that easily.

[Crontica]

I wonder if Cornelia now realizes what happened with Darlton....that geass was behinnd it, just another reason for her to go all anti-geass. This would be a good reason for her, suzaku and Jeremiah to team up. Jeremiah has a deep and abiding hatred for zero just like suzaku.....they both want to destroy geass like cornelia....that geass canceller would come in handy should they fight against zero....not to mention the three of them have been geassed before so if oran...er jeremiah cancels their geass..well let's just say zero is in alot of trouble:D

as i was reading your post another idea just popped up, as we know now the Geass Canceler can remove the effects of a geass on a person but can the Geass Canceler also be used to permanently disable a Geass user like Lelouch? sure C.C is nearby but the Deus Ex Machina seems to have a knack of coming at the worst possible time "heh"

[AdvocatesConspirator]

i'm sure this has been covered, but i'd rather not search through this entire thread for it.

What does SP stand for in this episode?

[Crontica]

i'm sure this has been covered, but i'd rather not search through this entire thread for it.

What does SP stand for in this episode?

Security Police

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Didn't do any good for Jeremiah when Zero revealed he killed Clovis.

Okay so then does Lelouch want to keep Geass a secret as well?

And if she exposes Geass and states that it was Geass that made Euphie go Rambo, then Zero is the next step isn't it cause there's sure hell as no way that can't be ignored and forgiven that easily.

As I pointed out, you are getting ahead of yourself; Revealing Geass to the public is such a major act that Zero is the last of Cornelia's worries. Any attempt to expose secrets which could jeopardise Charles's plan to "slay gods" would mean the all mighty Emperor might open a can of whoop-ass on her.

Cornelia would not be able to reveal anything via the media without government consent. And to get that consent, she would have to use violent means; I don't see Cornelia begging for anything.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

The anime isn't going to be so deep in politics that the government can control the media. Brittania doesn't control the whole world. If any of the countries gets some info about geass then they will try to acquire it.

We really don't know the path Cornelia is going to take yet. She was just recently re-introduced to this anime. She didn't even have a lot of time. Maybe less than a minute of screen time. We don't know what path she is going to take.

Maybe she will try to get some kind of geass on her own. The scientists in the facility also discovered something big and it is certainly now connected to Cornelia. She may have to do something about it. We don't really know anything or how she is going to proceed. Maybe next episode, she will be back in Japan like nothing has happened. She will try to assemble some knights or try to kill Zero. Who knows.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

The anime isn't going to be so deep in politics that the government can control the media. Brittania doesn't control the whole world. If any of the countries gets some info about geass then they will try to acquire it.

We really don't know the path Cornelia is going to take yet. She was just recently re-introduced to this anime. She didn't even have a lot of time. Maybe less than a minute of screen time. We don't know what path she is going to take.

Maybe she will try to get some kind of geass on her own. The scientists in the facility also discovered something big and it is certainly now connected to Cornelia. She may have to do something about it. We don't really know anything or how she is going to proceed. Maybe next episode, she will be back in Japan like nothing has happened. She will try to assemble some knights or try to kill Zero. Who knows.

Cornelia isn't going to use Media outside Britannia; they wouldn't trust her unless she is in league with them, which does not seem to be the direction she is going here.

And telling other governments about Geass wouldn't make it public; the government concerned will keep it a secret for themselves too.

[ZeroSama]

Didn't do any good for Jeremiah when Zero revealed he killed Clovis.

Okay so then does Lelouch want to keep Geass a secret as well?

And if she exposes Geass and states that it was Geass that made Euphie go Rambo, then Zero is the next step isn't it cause there's sure hell as no way that can't be ignored and forgiven that easily.

He proved on live TV he had the ability to do what he said though. Abducting someone on live TV, in front of a crowd and from a large contingent of tropps does tend to make things more believable. Plus they all thought orange was in cahoots with him.

The Euphie incident.

Do you really think any Japanese would ever believe anything a Britannian said ever again. Even more so the sister of the massacre princess. They'd think it was the bigggest pile of BS.

Even with proof people would still say it was staged or the people involved were complict in the deception. In an age such as today picture or video evience doesn't really mean much, it cpuld easily be fake or altered.

Plus as mentioned if concrete proof exsisted the goverments would keep it for themselves for there own advantage.

Unless Zero admits it freely, she has little or no chance of proving Euphie's innocence.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

They wouldn't give her a goal if she has no chance of achieving it.
Like I said, this is an anime. Things are a lot simpler.... you guys are making it too complicated.

[cool_girl]

If it was him, then this certainly is surprising. Maybe she will end up being the one if things go well with what happened. Or Lelouch gets rejected.

Yeah it was him.. and that really was surprising. I don't know what that meant.. He likes her? I loved what Shirley did later.. she will make him love her

[neqael]

Anyone has any ideas why Orange-kun is using his Geass Canceller all over the city? After all as I understand the whole Ashford Academy was geassed by the Emperor to think that Lelouch has a brother. So there is a huge probability that Orange's power will affect them and they will remember Nunnally. Isn't that too much of a risk?

[Rising Dragon]

Anyone has any ideas why Orange-kun is using his Geass Canceller all over the city? After all as I understand the whole Ashford Academy was geassed by the Emperor to think that Lelouch has a brother. So there is a huge probability that Orange's power will affect them and they will remember Nunnally. Isn't that too much of a risk?

Only five students of the Academy had their memories altered: Lelouch, Shirley, Millay, Rivalz, and Nina. The rest of the students returned to Britannia after the Black Rebellion, as did the teachers. As for Jeremiah... I don't know. Likely disrupting any holds Lelouch has over anyone else, thus presumably putting Lelouch at a disadvantage.

I wonder if Jeremiah still goes batshit crazy whenever Orange is mentioned.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

After all as I understand the whole Ashford Academy was geassed by the Emperor to think that Lelouch has a brother. So there is a huge probability that Orange's power will affect them and they will remember Nunnally. Isn't that too much of a risk?

Well, as such, only the Student council remains of the original students, so only they would know if they were un-geassed. As for why they do it, they might think it's worth it to set events in motion, sorta.

[neqael]

Only five students of the Academy had their memories altered: Lelouch, Shirley, Millay, Rivalz, and Nina. The rest of the students returned to Britannia after the Black Rebellion, as did the teachers.

Well, as such, only the Student council remains of the original students, so only they would know if they were un-geassed.
Ah, I must've overlook the part when it was mentioned. Now everything makes a bit more sense since the odds are in Britannia's favor. I guess if it's only 5 people they can easily track them and make sure their new memories stay intact. I wonder if someone can be geassed by Lelouch again after having his previous one cancelled.

I wonder if Jeremiah still goes batshit crazy whenever Orange is mentioned.

Yeah, I hope to see him go out of control one more time. :p

[Dyllani]

Cornelia is not the type to take the Emperor at his word. Charles don't make promises; he either do what he wants or do nothing.

It is the Britannian government who helped framed Euphie; they did it because they wanted to. And they could clear her name anytime they wanted to too. Cornelia isn't so stupid as to think something as empty as a "promise" would work in Britannian High Society. Only cetain select group of people within Britannia seem to know about Geass (this does not seem to include any of Charles' children, or his Nights of Round, minus Suzku). Inside that group, I'm sure there are only a select few who are aware that Zero, himself, posseses a Geass (Charles, V.V. Suzaku, maybe a few others), let alone that he used it on Eupie. In theory, Charles could have cleared Euphie's name, tell the world about the amazing power of Geass, give them proof. The Numbers surely wouldn't believe it, they would simply believe Britannia was framing Zero or trying to excuse Euphie's action. The Britannian people would accept the story, in public, though I'm sure 90% of them wouldn't believe it either (some of them would probably praise the princess in secret for killing the vermen).

As for the government framing Euphie... she did order the massacre of hundreds of thousands of unarmed Honorary Britaninas & Elevens, after making nation wide decreee to grant them freedom, in a sense. If anything, the goevernment claimed responsibility for Euphemia's "execution", as a way to reasure the Numbers that Britannia did not condone or support her actions. I also have to wonder how many people actually believe that Britannia executed Euphemia. Nina seemed to know the truth the whole time, Nunnally was quite aware that Zero killed Clovis & Euphemia. Nicely edited fottage form the massacre is online, via Diethard. We also know the the Brits are not to speak of the incident. Everyone probably knows or suspects that it was Zero who killed the princess, they just keep their mouths shut.

I agree, about Cornelia. She's on a mission to clear her sister's name, if she doesn't get the answers she wants, she's not falling in line. How far she will go to attain the truth, I don't know. I can't see Charles letting her become to problamatic. He certainly won't allow her to expose Geass. Cornelia? She isn't stupid. I can't see her charging into the throne room demanding answers. I'm interested to see what she does next. Truth or not, clearing Eupie's name will not be easy (I'm not sure the world will believe the truth)...

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Unless Zero admits it freely, she has little or no chance of proving Euphie's innocence.

Isn't that I what I said? Zero's the final step to clearing Euphie's name though VCV has a point but I guess we'll see.

[Yu Ominae]

Security Police

This should help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Police_(Japan)

[bladeofdarkness]

it should
but it doesnt
no page on wiki

[neqael]

He forgot to close the bracket in the link. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Police_%28Japan%29), fixed.

[Ruezu]

Any idea who did the voiced for Miyu? (Girl who 1st got the Lulu's hat)

[Oscidaes]

Any idea who did the voiced for Miyu? (Girl who 1st got the Lulu's hat)

三宅ひとみ (Miyake Hitomi). She's an idol, apparently. This was more or less her first foray into VA-dom, if I recall correctly.

Blog here:
http://blog.watanabepro.co.jp/miyakehitomi/

[Ruezu]

Wow ahah, already a site with Miyu on the Top left.
Thanks for giving me the name. ^^

[x81ublu8x]

Anya should be in FMP with Sagara.

[TiaxZatch]

I don't know if thread necromacing is against the rules but since the dub is showing it today I thought I'll put in my thoughts.

Great episode subbed so I hope the dub doesn't screw it up much, Shirley's voice is kind of annoying at times so when she's with Lulu, I hope she doesn't sound annoying.

I found it cute how they planned this episode for Valentine's day. Perfect planning.

[Asrialys]

I found it cute how they planned this episode for Valentine's day. Perfect planning.
I was surprised. I wonder if they brought the show back on air just in time to air today.

Ah...English can't pull off "Nani, my honey." Oh well...

[TiaxZatch]

I was surprised. I wonder if they brought the show back on air just in time to air today.

Ah...English can't pull off "Nani, my honey." Oh well...

Yeah I was surprised too. Did they really take a huge break to make the episode fit in today?

Anyways the dub was meh. The translations were nearly exact from a subbed episode but the voices were weird. Shirley's wasn't great but it was alright. The person who stole Lelouch's hat first voice was completely ruined.

[Asrialys]

The person who stole Lelouch's hat first voice was completely ruined.
I wouldn't say it was ruined. It sounded right to me. It's just that her "signature" line couldn't be done.

[Charred Knight]

Since I never posted my thoughts when this episode first aired I might as well do so now since someone brought it up a few days ago.

This is by far the worst anime episode I have ever seen. Hell its the worst animated episode I have ever seen, in fact this is the worst episode off any tv series I have ever seen.

At no point in time did either the writer or Director ever show any thing that can be called a rational idea. Even when presented as serious we have idiotic scenes like the Emperor saying that only idiots go to war for Diplomatic reasons, when going to war works out great for Britannia. Charles could easily have taken over the world if he wanted too.

All of the characters during the school scenes where protrayed as retards unable to act in normal society, this isn't South Park, so I don't expect the characters to act like they are in South Park. This is supposed to be a serious series, so I expect characters to have some kind of intelligence. If Taniguchi and Okouchi want to write a gag series than create a gag series, but for gods sake don't have a gag episode in a serious series. This episode looks like it belongs in Urusei Yatsura, not Code Geass.

I dread giving this episode a 1 because that would show that it actually deserved a point, if I could give this episode a zero I would.

[Narona]

This is by far the worst anime episode I have ever seen. Hell its the worst animated episode I have ever seen, in fact this is the worst episode off any tv series I have ever seen.
Overreacting a bit?

[Charred Knight]

Overreacting a bit?

Not really

I mean how many times did a character do something that no sane human being would do in a series that is supposed to be serious (and the episode even had serious parts in it).

Except for about 2 minutes Anya was out of character for the entire episode, Anya isn't an insane moron so I don't understand why this episode would treat her like one.

Sayoko is the same way, Sayoko is not a moron so her actions in this episode are completely out of character. "Lelouch gets winded after running a block so let's jump 20 feet in the air while making poses" Both of them showed the intelligence of Ralph Wiggum.

How the hell can I possible give a crap about the episode if Anya is in a giant mecha trying to grab Lelouch? I mean whose bright idea was it to include an episode that looks like its from a different series.

This is really my biggest problem with the Ashford episodes in season 2, frequently to get jokes, they have the cast act out of character. Compare that to Fullmetal Alchemist where the jokes are always in character since Arakawa made sure that her cast always had comedic partners.

[zalem]

Well, it really was the worst episode of the series. I was pretty annoyed when it aired. I get that it's a total crack episode and I don't take it seriously. On its own I actually wouldn't say it's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. Anything from Dragonauts is way, WAY worse than this episode. But in the context of the series it's really out of place and doesn't belong. In R2 I was expecting an end to these crappy Ashford episodes. They were really pressed for time enough as it was, they really shouldn't have wasted time on silly things like this. That's a whole episode that could have been dedicated to more important things like the Marianne plot.

Looking back at my original comments here, I was concerned about silly episodes like this taking away from the main plot and causing the writers to rush towards the end and give us a bad ending. My concerns were partially realized. While they did give me a proper ending that I actually liked the episodes leading up to it were rather rushed and they never did resolve certain things properly.

[Charred Knight]

Well, it really was the worst episode of the series. I was pretty annoyed when it aired. I get that it's a total crack episode and I don't take it seriously. On its own I actually wouldn't say it's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. Anything from Dragonauts is way, WAY worse than this episode. But in the context of the series it's really out of place and doesn't belong. In R2 I was expecting an end to these crappy Ashford episodes. They were really pressed for time enough as it was, they really shouldn't have wasted time on silly things like this. That's a whole episode that could have been dedicated to more important things like the Marianne plot.

Looking back at my original comments here, I was concerned about silly episodes like this taking away from the main plot and causing the writers to rush towards the end and give us a bad ending. My concerns were partially realized. While they did give me a proper ending that I actually liked the episodes leading up to it were rather rushed and they never did resolve certain things properly.

The Ashford episodes where never that bad in the first season, its just with the second season they try to hard to be funny, and characters act out of character in them. For example in the first festival episode they had some whacky hijinks but no one acted like they where retarded, and the festival actually had some well done scenes with Euphemia, and Nina.

In season 2's festival the characters act like idiots with C.C being the Ralph Wiggum role of wandering around in the open when she's the second most wanted person in the world.

Looking back at the whole series, their is no way that I can believe that this episode was written normally. I mean this episode had to have been written under a "we need this episode's script in by tomorrow" so the writers just threw in the first thing they thought of.

I mean Anya nearly kills Shirley in a giant robot and its played for comedy.

They might as well just had Sayoko killing students left and right, with Anya using the Hadron Cannon to kill students saying that she will have Lelouch's hat and end the whole thing with Ashford in flames and 90% of the student body dead.

I mean it would have made as much sense as Sayoko jumping 20 feet in the air as fire works go off around her while she poses.

[zalem]

I was never a fan of the Ashford episodes throughout CG. Thought it was wasted time. However, I do agree that s1 Ashford episodes were better than r2's. Plus, in the context of the series those episodes didn't really take too much away from the real plot in s1. But by the time R2 rolls around there's really no reason whatsoever to be wasting time on that crap. There were too many important things that needed resolution.

Man, now that I think of it I rated this episode WAY too highly. Cornelia's appearance was certainly a plus and made the episode more tolerable but it didn't really save the episode. Certainly wasn't worthy of anything higher than a 4 or 5.

[Narona]

Not really

I mean how many times did a character do something that no sane human being would do in a series that is supposed to be serious (and the episode even had serious parts in it).

Except for about 2 minutes Anya was out of character for the entire episode, Anya isn't an insane moron so I don't understand why this episode would treat her like one.

Sayoko is the same way, Sayoko is not a moron so her actions in this episode are completely out of character. "Lelouch gets winded after running a block so let's jump 20 feet in the air while making poses" Both of them showed the intelligence of Ralph Wiggum.

How the hell can I possible give a crap about the episode if Anya is in a giant mecha trying to grab Lelouch? I mean whose bright idea was it to include an episode that looks like its from a different series.

This is really my biggest problem with the Ashford episodes in season 2, frequently to get jokes, they have the cast act out of character. Compare that to Fullmetal Alchemist where the jokes are always in character since Arakawa made sure that her cast always had comedic partners.

I just commented that Line:

this is the worst episode off any tv series I have ever seen

I mean, did you watch a lot of other series...?

[Charred Knight]

I just commented that Line:



I mean, did you watch a lot of other series...?

With a lot of bad tv series, the episodes are just dull, and badly conceived. An example is DearS which I stopped watching after three episodes. I mean the series was so dull I couldn't give a crap about it.This episode is worse because its outright stupid, makes no sense, has a large portion of the characters acting out of character, and is basically an episode from a different series.

Here's why I think its the worse episode for a TV series of all times.

It has a large budget with resources the average TV series wish it had, but more importantly it had talent, Taniguchi is not a horrible Director, and Okouchi is a pretty good writer. Also the first season was pretty good, and the KoR for all of their flaws do have some interesting scenes. The problem is that this episode throws pretty much the entire characterization out the window. Everything that came before it is just thrown away. Even during the serious scenes they do this. I mean why the hell is Guilford so nice to Suzaku? It's not setup, Guilford doesn't seem to have an epiphany that Britannia is wrong, and he never seems to regret his actions or the actions of Cornelia during the first season. That scene seems to forget that Britannia is an empire built on racism. It ignores pretty much the entire first season to change Guilford without any real character development. The same with Charles, for the entire first season and pretty much the rest of the series Charles is a madman ranting and raving but here he comes off as perfectly sane.

Look if people complained that Britannia's portrayal is racist to westerners (in particular America and Britain) than give them actual character development, don't just change the characters and then say "look where not racist not all of Britannia is bad".

At no point in time in all of her previous apperances is Anya protrayed as a complete idiot, she's never even been an idiot, weird yes, but stupid never. This episode protrays Anya as complete idiot who clearly can't function in the outside world.

Right off the top of my head the only two episodes of a tv series that are close are the last episode of Mai Hime, and the last episode of Gundam Seed Destiny, and I would have to rewatch them to see. Of course why the hell would I torture myself by rewatching those two episodes to see which I hate more.

[Nobodyman9]

Found this very humorous take on the episode over at Toonzone.

http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2912649&postcount=1196

Personally, I thought this episode was okay. Definitely over the top, but I didn't think it was atrocious.

[morbosfist]

Someone on the Adult Swim boards brought up something rather amusing.

In the original broadcast of the episode in Japan, one of the the girls in the "Fantasy Seduction Team" is wearing a pink sports bra. In the dub, she isn't wearing a bra at all.

Original: http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codegeass2yk9.jpg

Dub: http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codegeassyc6.jpg

[Charred Knight]

Someone on the Adult Swim boards brought up something rather amusing.

In the original broadcast of the episode in Japan, one of the the girls in the "Fantasy Seduction Team" is wearing a pink sports bra. In the dub, she isn't wearing a bra at all.

Original: http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codegeass2yk9.jpg

Dub: http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codegeassyc6.jpg

That's because the dub is based off of the DVD release and not the TV series release.

[morbosfist]

That's because the dub is based off of the DVD release and not the TV series release.I know, but it's still funny that the TV edition here would be more explicit than the TV release there.

[Charred Knight]

I know, but it's still funny that the TV edition here would be more explicit than the TV release there.

Considering that

1. Japanese TV has clamped down on nudity since the mid 90's while America's standards have loosened (Compare South Park with Simpsons). Simply put Ranma 1/2 could never appear on a good channel in today's market while no one batted an eye at Ranma's nudity when it first appeared. Hell compare the amount of nudity you can see in a Shonen Jump manga in the 80's and now. You don't see boobs up front in today's shonen jump

2. Code Geass aired at 5:00 PM in Japan compared to I think 1:00 PM in America (I watch the dub on AS websites)

It's not suprising at all

[FruitsPunchSamurai]

Considering that

1. Japanese TV has clamped down on nudity since the mid 90's while America's standards have loosened (Compare South Park with Simpsons). Simply put Ranma 1/2 could never appear on a good channel in today's market while no one batted an eye at Ranma's nudity when it first appeared. Hell compare the amount of nudity you can see in a Shonen Jump manga in the 80's and now. You don't see boobs up front in today's shonen jump

2. Code Geass aired at 5:00 PM in Japan compared to I think 1:00 PM in America (I watch the dub on AS websites)

It's not suprising at all

I think you mean 1:30 AM :heh:

[Charred Knight]

For some reason I wrote PM instead of AM, the point is that Geass is aimed at a slightly younger audience in Japan than it is in America.