Claymore Chapter 81

[yezhanquan]

Priscilla gets on my nerves. She seems cool when she first awakened, but this regression thingy makes her....Excuse me.

*facepalms*

[rukori]

Can anyone PM me where can you get the double English scanlation?

[Cyclone]

Heh, always trying to knock him down a peg or two, huh Cyclone? :D

Raki as the final boss would be hilarious, though. I still think Raki's a good guy, I have faith in him.

Besides, if Priscilla wanted to eat guts, Raki would be in her belly already. :p And you got to admit that the smile between them towards the end of the chapter was 'awww' worthy

As a side note, Riful looked pretty epic at the end of the chapter. :cool:

Heh - of course. What better way to make myself look bigger (and less petty) in comparisson? :cool:

But just admit I'm right - and I haven't even mentioned his new found loli tendancies!

[yezhanquan]

Heh - of course. What better way to make myself look bigger (and less petty) in comparisson? :cool:

But just admit I'm right - and I haven't even mentioned his new found loli tendancies!

Can't blame him. If I wasn't looking for a badass Priscilla, I would like the shrunk Priscilla too.

[NobodyMan]

Heh - of course. What better way to make myself look bigger (and less petty) in comparisson? :cool:

But just admit I'm right - and I haven't even mentioned his new found loli tendancies! Hoooo, don't get me started on this. I'm pretty sure Priscilla is the one who wants to get into his pants and not the other way around. :p

Hell, he'll need the greatest chastity belt in existance to protect him from the wandering hands of Clare and the other ghosts. :D

But hey to each his own. ;)

[Methuselah]

Eating humans? If that's the case, have you ever considered Pricillas's feast as an addiction? See how she kills off towns at the north and referring that she is hungry every time. For Raki not even mentioning or worrying about that topic is a sign of trying to surpress her. He is not so bad. Just another badass. We still don't know *a super-special-awesome-plot-twist reason why he wanted to see Claire. Calm your horses... ladies.

[Cyclone]

Hell, he'll need the greatest chastity belt in existance to protect him from the wandering hands of Clare and the other ghosts. :D

Yup yup - definitely his biggest fault of all. I could forgive everything else but that... glad you understand.

[NobodyMan]

Yup yup - definitely his biggest fault of all. I could forgive everything else but that... glad you understand. Hold your horses there, Raki may not want to be molested by the ghosts, but I'm sure he'd let Clare do whatever she wanted to him. :naughty: It'd prove how loyal he is to her.

Now as much as I like Raki, we need a new subject, let us discuss the awesomeness that is Riful and what she is planning. :)

[rukori]

In the 1st fight against Claire Riful found out that if a Claymore awakens by her own will she grows to be much stronger. So my bet is that it's related to that...:D

[Cyclone]

Hold your horses there, Raki may not want to be molested by the ghosts, but I'm sure he'd let Clare do whatever she wanted to him. :naughty: It'd prove how loyal he is to her.

That's bad enough.
And if he starts working his evil charms on Galatea, I'll have to start burning effigies of him.

Now as much as I like Raki, we need a new subject, let us discuss the awesomeness that is Riful and what she is planning. :)

She's planning to eat Raki, take over his body, and kill Pricilla when she's not looking. I so hope she succeeds... :heh:

[khryoleoz]

That's one of the things I love about Claymore, no one is strictly a bad guy or a good guy, it's more like each character has their own motive and believe that what their doing is right. Also, good guys and bad guys change over time, today's enemy is tomorrow's ally, as it were. :D

That's how I feel, at least.

That's where it's frustrating me a little. The way things have been progressing, everybody has been reduced to being victims of circumstances. We can absolve characters of accountability because none have it as victims. ABs are not confined to any moral restraint to abide human dignity [recalling the AB morality debate]. So Priscilla becomes worthy of some if not much sympathy because fault lies in the best Claymore in history for provoking her awakening. Ironically, we owe it all to an AO for having inflicted mental trauma such that she would take up a cause and help protect human kind (for all that we know so far), or at least go an a severely restricted diet, while she can help it.

A significant part of the story progressed to make such a big bad in Priscilla, who was born at a severe cost to me. Call it disdain, but after 57 chapters since my heart was broken, there has not been one worthy mention of that best Claymore ever in a way that had been crucial and integral to the story's progress as of late. I'm still waiting for Clare to kick some Prissy hiney.

But, the revelation does put an interesting twist to things and adds some depth and nuance. I just wished that before Yagi did this, he gave me some closure and satisfaction to the original, simple revenge plot.

[NobodyMan]

That's bad enough.
And if he starts working his evil charms on Galatea, I'll have to start burning effigies of him. well I'll go ahead and be semi-serious here, I don't mind Raki being paired up with any of the girls in Claymore, partcularly ClarexRaki (self explanitory), HelenxRaki (she's bound to make some stupid comment about his looks :D), ... and MiriaxRaki (crack pairings FTW!). One at a time of course. ;) and non-canon, please non-canon to the storyline. To compensate, here's a Raki voodoo doll for you. *gives doll to cyclone* Now let the hate flow through you. :naughty:



She's planning to eat Raki, take over his body, and kill Pricilla when she's not looking. I so hope she succeeds... :heh: Lol, invasion of the bodysnatchers. Awesome!

@khryoleoz: That's true, our goddess Teresa hasn't been even mentioned for awhile, but don't fret, I don't think we've seen the last of her, because she lives on in Clare afterall. :D I'm also sure the revenge plot isn't over yet and when she sees priscilla, it'll make for some good inner turmoil to avenge Teresa's death or to take her advice and simply live on as a human, passing on her forgiveness to priscilla, who isn't the same monster as she was before. But Clare will probably go beserk and Priscilla's "dark" side will reamerge and they will engage in a battle of epic proportions.

[Cyclone]

well I'll go ahead and be semi-serious here, I don't mind Raki being paired up with any of the girls in Claymore, partcularly ClarexRaki (self explanitory), HelenxRaki (she's bound to make some stupid comment about his looks :D), ... and MiriaxRaki (crack pairings FTW!). One at a time of course. ;) and non-canon, please non-canon to the storyline. To compensate, here's a Raki voodoo doll for you. *gives doll to cyclone* Now let the hate flow through you. :naughty:

I'll reciprocate and be semi-serious too. Oddly enough, I kind like the pairings of Helen x Cid and Deneve x Galk. But what little remains of the Goddess Teresa deserves better than that fool Raki. And rest assured, that if he gets anywhere near the other Goddess (Galatea, not Clare), the voodoo doll will happily be used.

[evil_kenshin]

I'll reciprocate and be semi-serious too. Oddly enough, I kind like the pairings of Helen x Cid and Deneve x Galk. But what little remains of the Goddess Teresa deserves better than that fool Raki. And rest assured, that if he gets anywhere near the other Goddess (Galatea, not Clare), the voodoo doll will happily be used.

Clare x Raki & Prisilla x Raki are the only two cannon pairings in regards to Raki (Helens the sort for one night stands but nothing permanent) so relax he won't touch your Galatea :p

[Gooral]

What the f*** was that scream when Raki was holding a villager? Is he retarded or something? And that frivolous way of thinking - I don't like it. I liked manga Raki when he was a kid but now he's starting to annoy me, although he didn't probably have much choice since Priscilla turned out to be a sweet and innocent girl and he only knew that side of her. I'm just wondering, she's now having a diet but I'm sure we'll see yo-yo effect and when she snaps and eats some guts she won't stop at mere hecatomb of people. She had an appetite when she was her original size, now that she shrunk she would need a lot more food to fill her.

I don't think so, it didn't sound like the best moment IMHO.
Everyone was digesting Miria's revelation, it would be a bit awkward for Galatea to suddenly speak of something that passed by a year ago.
There were more important things in question. Even Riful wasn't mentioned in that conversation.
And what would be the right moment? I think it would be a perfect time to tell Miria that she has more to worry about, even more since Galatea was sceptical to Miria's idea from the start. I don't think she would hold back such information unless she forgot it under the stress Miria put her in.

[evil_kenshin]

What the f*** was that scream when Raki was holding a villager? Is he retarded or something? And that frivolous way of thinking - I don't like it. I liked manga Raki when he was a kid but now he's starting to annoy me, although he didn't probably have much choice since Priscilla turned out to be a sweet and innocent girl and he only knew that side of her. I'm just wondering, she's now having a diet but I'm sure we'll see yo-yo effect and when she snaps and eats some guts she won't stop at mere hecatomb of people. She had an appetite when she was her original size, now that she shrunk she would need a lot more food to fill her..

If anything what Raki is doing takes alot of will. His acting as Priscilla's "cage" and stopping her from eating anyone for such a long time while knowing that at the end of the road he will be eaten.

[Enara]

I say L/R une is doomed

[Gooral]

If anything what Raki is doing takes alot of will. His acting as Priscilla's "cage" and stopping her from eating anyone for such a long time while knowing that at the end of the road he will be eaten.
Yeah, but that's the other thing that annoys me. It seems to me that Yagi wants to make martyrs from Raki and Priscilla, the first is just cliché, the second would be really getting on my nerves. If Yagi cares about all his characters the same (as he's said about Angel Densetsu's characters) than I don't see a reason why he would kill Priscilla especially now that she's unaware of her doings and the only ones that can kill her are Riful and Clare (and even that is uncertain.
After this chapter I can't disagree with the statement that claymore has jumped the shark. I want to see Clare, even more I want to see Clare and Priscilla at the same time and place. After seeing how Yagi will handle their meeting I might change my mind or it could get worse.

[chibamonster]

Interesting tidbit; Happy days had several very successful seasons after Fonzie jumped the shark. Really.

I actually really really like this new information to the claymore world. Priscilla, who was introduced as having more hatred of youma than anyone else, has rebelled against the absolute nature of AB's for some reason. She must be aware of what she is and even taking some responsibility for it. She must have a human side that is fairly strong as well.

Fortunately with the introduction of an outside world Priscilla does not have to be the final bad guy. She never did seem like the final bad guy to me after she appeared in the North. It would almost be a mercy killing. But I think Priscilla has a reason for living, just like Clare had a reason for living after she met Teresa. Strange analogy but it fits. Raki saved Prissy from the hell of being a monster, and though she is starving her addictions/needs she must be doing it because of him.

I do not think we have seen the end of Priscilla's power being used by any means. She is the most powerful living character in the entire Claymore world and one tied to the lives of just about every character. She has a purpose to fulfil yet in the story. She might even save Clare. Priscilla never had evil intents in her heart. She wanted to do the right thing and broke down in the process. I certainly think it is her fault she awakened and no one else's, but I really like the opportunity she now has to atone for past sins.

I also do not think we have seen the end of Teresa's role in the story either. With all this new information about the DoD's, an outside world, and all that jazz I think Teresa's role in the story will be revisited in a new way. And I still hold that the story has some deep darkness coming up soon. Much darker than Lune being captured and tortured.

[Gooral]

Well I don't dislike this information that much but I'm worried that we will see sth similar to anime ending. You were right chiba that Raki's companion was Priscilla and to be honest I thought she was the most likely candidate for that too. I just hoped Yagi would do better and surprise us. For some time now claymore has become quite predictable and there are the same motives being used (Teresa +loli Clare, Clare + Raki the kiddo, Raki +loli Priscilla). He's using the easiest way and probably Miria's informant is Rubel, but here it makes perfect sense that he would be, some "noname" person couldn't be a better choice.
I need to see Clare, Rafaela, Riful and Alicia but Raki and Priscilla can just die, preferably Priscilla kills Raki, Clare kills Priscilla.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Your complaining about predictability, but what you desire would have been even more predictable then what is currently developing in the story.

[chibamonster]

Have faith Gooral! It only takes one chapter for 4 captains to be killed or for Teresa to die. Things go bad very quickly in Claymore and often without much warning. In the same way Yagi will keep exploring relationships between two characters whose power differs greatly, I am positive Yagi is going to continue to surprise us in various ways. I am sure of it. The saddest parts of the story are yet to come. The biggest surprises are yet to be had. And characters from the past will continue to develop.

I think there is a difference between something that is predictable and something that is plot developing. Predictable can be disappointing. Plot developing brings in new questions and twists things around a bit. An AB that does not eat humans? Wow. That is almost as big as Clare crossing her limit and returning the first time. We have seen AB's die before they eat anyone like Ophelia, or ones who do not resist death like Hilda. But one who has eaten cities full of people and started the Abyssals on the path of war? As the poster child of awakened beings, and the only one we have seen eat people Priscilla has somehow salvaged her humanity and controlled the beast within her. Now Priscilla once again has a limit that she can break, just like she had before as a claymore; will she lose control and eat humans again? Or will the bonds of those close to her save her in the way Clare has been saved by Teresa, Raki, Jean, Galatea, Irene...

Thinking about it more it seems what you want Gooral is resolution, not predictability. Like a great symphony, themes will continue to play and interlace with each other with resolution only coming at the very end me thinks. So it might be a while until this Claymore roller coaster comes to a complete stop.

[Ryuken]

She was small, but now we know why she had become so small. Small but the strength remains all the same. Didn't predict it to be her but in the end it turned out to be her anyway. I see a storm brewing up and its getting closer and closer. We should be able to see the end result and the sher devastation in 3 to 4 chapters I think.

[Cyclone]

Got my hands on the raw (thank you again, source!)
Favorite line:

Raki: She's no enemy
Raki: You don't have to kill her
Rune: What are you talking about?
Rune: kill...?
Rune: Who kill who?

[Gooral]

(...)
Thinking about it more it seems what you want Gooral is resolution, not predictability. Like a great symphony, themes will continue to play and interlace with each other with resolution only coming at the very end me thinks. So it might be a while until this Claymore roller coaster comes to a complete stop.
Yeah, I don't want predictability but I don't want resolution yet, if Priscilla is killed then there's still organization to be taken care of.
I love Claymore because it often shocks me and because I feel that every character could be killed any minute so I want to know them the best I can or I might not have another chance to do so. Priscilla's redemption doesn't fit in the story IMO, it was from the start non-optimistic manga and here we have banal and sugary Priscilla's change, from the mass murderer to innocent girl and everything indicates that Clare will become the bad guy by killing her. To me it's much worse and predictable than Clare/Priscilla/Raki ("/" read as "slashes").
Now I understand why I don't like current way of things - I don't want Claymore to become second Elfen Lied which I consider the worst anime I've seen with the stupidest characters ever. Priscilla resembles Lucy/Nyu too much and when I look at adult Raki I see retarded Kouta - that's not good. The less I see them the better Claymore will be to me.

[Korinov]

Well, this has been really the chapter of "!"

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5271/lolxd1.jpg
:D

Yagi has made it again. He's introduced a completely new character, Lune (who we've never seen before) and has given me quite interest about her. Maybe because of her dreadlocks, maybe of her funny faces. Poor girl, just appearing and being absolutely OWNED! twice in the same chapter.

[chibamonster]

Also want to thank Raw Source. :D

It is interesting that while we have never met Lune we know a fair share about her. She is the orgs new eye, has been trained since before Galatea left the organization, is fairly skilled at youki sensing and the like. We know the organization thought of sending her to find if the ghosts existed or not. Although we do not know her fighting style yet :D. Every claymore gets a fighting style. That will have to appear later. Or just when she is an AB.

I'm really curious to know what Lune will do for Riful that will allow her to completely turn the tides of power that Riful has in mind. Though I do not think Riful knows Priscilla is out on a long walk with Raki. Or maybe she does know? With Miria confirming a weakness about Alicia and Beth's soul link they seem like quite a target for someone skilled in Youki manipulation. I am interested to know what kind of relationship Riful will have with Lune, especially when Lune apparently is very important to the success of Riful's secret. AB's don't seem to get along often, and if Lune remains a claymore she will probably get along with Riful even less. It will be interesting no matter what happens I am sure.

Man, as I am reading this raw I am realizing that it was a good thing Raki was kicked out of his town; it is full of ungrateful jerks. And it seems it is a really really bad idea to bully Raki given his present comrade. Is Raki telling Priscilla not to kill Lune? Owaahuuu?

[Riful]

I think that girl is called Renée btw ^^;

René (male) or Renée (female) is usually spelt "Rune" in Japanese (in French they are both pronounced the same way), which confused me quite a bit when a first saw it as well.
But Renée is a name, while Lune is not and neither is Rune. They are both words afaik. And both would be spelt differently in Katakana, more like "Ruun". Typing "Rune" in wikipedia will also guide you to the page of "René/Renée".

Hope that clears the spelling problem. Still waiting to read the whole chapter myself, but her hair definitely looks awesome :D

[PureYoki]

This chapter disappointed me:

1) There is no plot development for an upcoming climax (battle royal). The capture of Lune by Riful doesn't make sense anymore because she is no longer against a Priscilla-Isley alliance.

2) Priscilla is downgraded. Although she is still powerful enough to scare Lune for the time being, it looks like she'll die without putting up a good fight. (She may even starve to death to create a dramatic moment but this is not the kind of ending I would except from a Claymore-type manga.) It's almost certain that there are other long-term effects of starvation besides shrinkage.

3) Isley is gone. Well, either he is dead or he has gone mentally ill by letting Priscilla go. It's very unlikely he is after something big which necessitates and compensates the loss of Priscilla.

4) I hate when characters (which are supposed to play an important role in the story) come and go before we even get to know them. I don't feel sorry for Lune because I know nothing about her. And with every chapter I'm getting more suspicious that Rafaela may be dead.

5) I didn't like the concept of shrinkage during starvation. What next: Raki got more powerful because he was exposed to huge yoki aura of Priscilla for a long time?! How much more will she shrink, until she becomes a Lilliputian?

6) Too much Raki. I have no antipathy against him but if he is still human and won't do any good in a serious fight besides begging for mercy, he is getting too much screen time. For example, I would rather like to see the countermeasures taken by the org. against the rebels.

I hope claymore manga is not turning into a soap opera. :(

And I know, I'm very pessimistic today. :D

[chibamonster]

Wow PureYouki. You are being pessimistic today. :p I think you are missing one of the most awesome things that is being set up to happen at this very moment: Clare finally meeting Priscilla in a state that will conflict her so much Clare will probably cry. I am not finished with the raw yet but so far these are my thoughts on your depressing points.

1) Priscilla seems to be willing to kill Raki's enemies. Even if Raki is bullied.
2) Priscilla is cloaked and undetectable. The ultimate AB weapon. Characters have never gotten weaker in claymore, just had changes of heart making them unwilling to kill others. Priscilla seems ready to kill for Raki.
3) Isley will pop up again and as the MiB's said, "Isley is as cunning as ever". Fear not padawan.
4) Renee is not dead; she is part of Riful's social group. She will be back and a part of Riful's secret that will balance the tides of power. :D
5) Can't say anything on this, I am taking my time reading the raw. Although I think it is funny we have no issues with AB's growing exponentially in size :D Duff becomes the size of a house. Riful get's even bigger. I think it interesting that size can be so important in some cases in our suspension of disbelief and not in others. Like the issue people have with Clark Kent and Superman. We believe that Superman can fly, but not that he can disguise himself with glasses.
6) Personal preference on Raki. I am loving this chapter as Raki pwns villiagers and Renee in verbal jujitsu with a smile on his face knowing full well that he has the upper hand with Priscilla at his side, and maybe even without her there.

Don't worry. This manga is not a soap opera. Events to match your pessimism and even surpass it will appear in the future.

@Riful: I think you are right, it probably is Renee. I checked what popped up when I did a search of ルネ and René Descartes was the first major hit that caught my eye. So Renee it is. I'll skip on typing the little 'é' as I don't want to look up the button combo I have to hit to get it right. We will see if it catches on. Renee is a fine name. Sometimes I chose my own names for characters though. Like Rigardo for me is Rigald and Irene for me is Ilena. I just like those names more. I can enjoy the story anyway I want so don't bully me!

[zato_1one]

The most important question is "Where is Islay?"

Do Riful know that Prissy has left Islay in this past several years?

:hmm:

I smell fishy about Riful plan. She might not tell everything she knows to Clare at that time.

[PureYoki]

Don't worry. This manga is not a soap opera. Events to match your pessimism and even surpass it will appear in the future.

Thanks for the encouragement, chiba, I hope you are right (like in Priscilla case :D ), I'm not fed up with Claymore yet. :D

[Gooral]

This chapter disappointed me (...)You're not the only one.

7) Renée couldn't sense Priscilla until she stood next to her nor she could sense Riful. If she sucked at youki reading why didn't org use Tabitha instead? And if AB can cloak their youki why do we see that only now? Oh, right. It's shounen, if we've seen it earlier there would be no surprise.
Riful could never hide her youki completely and suddenly she could sneak at organization's eye. Yagi could at least make it in a more convincing and much simpler way, ie where Renee wouldn't be able to escape because she's slower. Instead she didn't notice she was being followed (unless it's mistranslation).
(...) I think you are missing one of the most awesome things (...): Clare finally meeting Priscilla in a state that will conflict her so much Clare will probably cry. (...)

One might say awesome other might say it's lame. I think I've seen something similar in the anime and I didn't like it a bit.

[Korinov]

You're not the only one.

7) Renée couldn't sense Priscilla until she stood next to her nor she could sense Riful. If she sucked at youki reading why didn't org use Tabitha instead? And if AB can cloak their youki why do we see that only now? Oh, right. It's shounen, if we've seen it earlier there would be no surprise.
Riful could never hide her youki completely and suddenly she could sneak at organization's eye. Yagi could at least make it in a more convincing and much simpler way, ie where Renee wouldn't be able to escape because she's slower. Instead she didn't notice she was being followed (unless it's mistranslation).

One might say awesome other might say it's lame. I think I've seen something similar in the anime and I didn't like it a bit.

Well, let's think a bit about it:

Maybe (and I'm saying "maybe" because I have no translation to check it) Riful simply was cloaking her youki and being close to Duph in his awakened form, so Renée was focused on evading Duph and didn't sense Riful. Then Riful simply left Duph's side and went ahead to catch Renée. We have seen Riful moving her huge awakened body at frightening speed, so it's very probable that she can do the same with her little body and youki suppressed.

That way, your alternative theory would be correct as well: Renée has been caught because she's slow after all.

[PureYoki]

I didn't read the chapter yet, still waiting for a good English translation but yes, it's strange if Lune didn't notice the yoki aura of an AO until she comes so close. Is the new generation that unskillful? :confused:

I don't want to imagine a scene in which Clare and Priscilla are hugging each other and crying. This is sheer terror.

[Gooral]

Well, let's think a bit about it (...)
I've thought about it, it would still mean she sucked at youki reading and was no better at it than Clare. It means another thing - MiB are idiots, they dumped Galatea and trained some second rate youki reader. Wow, they know how to make beneficial transfers.

[KiNA]

Lol.. The day Pris break her fasting would be the day Raki meets Clare.

:D

[Korinov]

I've thought about it, it would still mean she sucked at youki reading and was no better at it than Clare. It means another thing - MiB are idiots, they dumped Galatea and trained some second rate youki reader. Wow, they know how to make beneficial transfers.
This wouldn't be the first time the Org acts dumb or similar. Think about Ophelia's rampages. She killed comrades and even humans... and nobody noticed!? When Teresa annihilated a group of bandits who previously had attacked a town, Orsay discovered it inmediatly.

What I mean is that sometimes they seem to know everything, and later they seem to be really dumbasses. Mysteries of the world.

[Gooral]

There's another problem. Renee is obviously inferior to Galatea but she managed to sense Priscilla, Galatea most likely couldn't (probably because she was too far away from Priscilla), although she could sense Riful from far away and even sensed Miata and Clarice on suppressant pills. Sensing Priscilla - AB with most youki of all living was beyond her abilities at this range. I find it strange.

[PureYoki]

This wouldn't be the first time the Org acts dumb or similar. Think about Ophelia's rampages. She killed comrades and even humans... and nobody noticed!? When Teresa annihilated a group of bandits who previously had attacked a town, Orsay discovered it inmediatly.

This is no excuse but Ophelia was good at covering up her crimes, she was killing all the witnesses.

[Korinov]

There's another problem. Renee is obviously inferior to Galatea but she managed to sense Priscilla, Galatea most likely couldn't (probably because she was too far away from Priscilla), although she could sense Riful from far away and even sensed Miata and Clarice on suppressant pills. Sensing Priscilla - AB with most youki of all living was beyond her abilities at this range. I find it strange.
Well, Renée wasn't able to sense Priscilla until she touched her arm (I mean, physic contact) so it's understandable that Galatea couldn't sense Priscilla when Raki and her went to Rabona.

About Renée being uncapable of sensing Riful... like I said before, maybe Riful was suppressing her youki, and being close to Duph she managed to make the unexperienced and too much self-confident Renée only be aware of Duph's youki. Then Riful simply jumped out and catched Renée.

Obviously, it's still Renée's fault. Her youki sensing skills are not comparable to Galatea's, even when she had her eyes. Maybe Renée has simply very little experience (we know her training stage was completed after the battle of pieta, so she's been about 6 years hunting yoma and gaining experience, not comparable to Galatea who had lived a lot of time, judging from Rimuto's words).

[chibamonster]

Don't worry, as Renee said to Raki "It would at least be good if you are this optimistic when you die." Renee seems like a decent Claymore despite her rough and bullying approach to Raki. She is certainly no Ophelia. And I am wondering if she will pull through on her promise to tell Clare that she met Raki even after being capture by Riful. Could be interesting. This means she will probably meet Clare at some point in the story.

Btw, did anyone else notice those big shiny eyes Priscilla had. Oh, she's gotten too cute... WAIT SHE KILLED TERESA! AHHH I AM SO CONFLICTED!!! I think it is cool Priscilla has her youki cloaking ability back from when she was a claymore. It was really her only "technique" she had besides being super powerful. She's always been confusing to most people sensing her whether she was claymore or AB. Riful, Teresa and Irene seemed to sense her correctly from the get go, but it is still no easy feat especially because Irene and Teresa did it when Priscilla was cloaked. I love that AB's can cloak their youki if they want to. Especially with Priscilla who seems to do it unconsciously, though I like Riful managing it as well.

Also about the whole Renee being caught by Riful thing. Remember that Galatea did sense Riful, but also made a point to praise her youki cloaking ability. "She's hiding her youki so well it is scary" or something like that. Galatea even needed to teach Clare a trick to sense Riful. To sense Riful you have to "check the youki wavelength in an exact location of the target" or something like that. It is only possible if you are gifted at sensing to even pick her up. Knowing the trick seems to be pretty important as well because Galatea said she is only easy to find if you know how to look for her. Galatea sensed her, but Riful was sitting down behind her chiding duff before she could do anything about it. Riful was impressed that Renee could sense her at all. Sometimes I think people are looking for ways to disappoint themselves with this story they love :D. Like lemmings seeking a cliff of despair. Or a moth circling the light bulb of disappointment.

[Gooral]

You're right chiba, I'm being picky but little whining shouldn't take the fun away from others.

Now that I've reread 8th volume it stroke me that Dauph is Son Goku's clone. He's very powerful, has long range attacks, grows at the full moon (and rest of the phases) and can't tell apart boy from girls unless he gropes them.

[Riful]

Gooral: Not too mention his intelligence ;)

btw, as we now know, the organization's objective is not at all to protect the poor citizens from Yoma, but to create a powerful soldier that obeys them. So it's not too surprising that they try to get rid of Galatea, even if they can only replace her with a weaker "eye". Because she is of no use as soon as she "doubts" the organization and knows too much ... what's more, she might even be dangerous for them. So from their point of view they don't care to replace a strong soldier with a weaker one, as long as they're safe and can continue their experiments. Same for Teresa ... she didn't obey them and actually killed "evil" humans for the sake of protecting somebody, which means she started to follow her own moral standards and therefore would be useless in battle and a potential danger.

On the other hand, Ophelia I'm not too sure .... her way of killing anybody she feels like also makes her a danger.

[chibamonster]

For some reason I am thinking of something really obscure right now. Let me share. Someone once told me in a First Person Shooting on-line video game, "Excuses no matter how valid errode your character." I ran out of ammo and couldn't kill the rest of the enemy team. I even ran at them with a knife. But failed to accomplish the goal. I thought it was something dumb he said to make me angry. But for some reason I Remember what he said.

@ Gooral: So we just need to cut of Duff's tail! Wait... Now I am thinking of Super Kakuseisha-jin Duff. Golden Duff. Oh boy.

And hey, I think Renee's ability beyond youki sensing has something to do with being very fast. She's very confident in her speed and got motion blurs away from Priscilla so I think this dread locked claymore has speed, like a former number 6 we know. Though I am not really sure what her technique is yet as she hasn't had a chance to fight anyone yet.

I think it is funny that now Clarice and Raki have simmilar hair cuts and both have a chibi child with them with a parental protection complex and a whole lot of power. Although Raki seems stronger than Clarice and Priscilla is stronger than Miata. I like how Priscilla moves on her own to go after Renee for bullying Raki. I think this is not the first time it has happened. I really love how Yagi paced out the conversational exchange between Raki and Renee. It has a wonderful flow to it with some awesome expressions from Renee. Raki doesn't even seem phased by the matter as he is too optomistic.

I think is almost time to have Isley or Riful stir up the fires of war here. I am really curious what will happen in the near future.

[Blackmoon042]

1) There is no plot development for an upcoming climax (battle royal). The capture of Lune by Riful doesn't make sense anymore because she is no longer against a Priscilla-Isley alliance.


I think it could have some, if one looks deeply into the potential of what may happen in the future.

[kakashisensei]

I believe the secret that Riful knows about is that Priscilla is regressing and probably weaker than her right now. The problem is Priscilla is hiding her yoki and Riful can't find her. Thus, she needs a good yoki reader, Lune, to awaken and help her find Priscilla. There will then be a Priscilla x Riful fight in which something bad happens to Raki, which causes Priscilla to lose it and kill Riful.

I hope Lune isn't rescued, ever since Pieta, the good guys keep winning. I'm still waiting for the series to return to an empire strikes back sort of flow. There needs to be another tragic loss for the good guys.

[chibamonster]

You made me think of something Kakashi sensei; I will get you back for that 1000 years of pain attack you got me with when I was... Oh wait. Depending on how much information Riful tells to Renee, Riful might find out about Priscilla very quickly here. She will not be able to sense her, but with Riful's information about the ghost 7 including Clare combined with Renee's information about Raki and Priscilla they could have the whole situation figured out pretty quick. They have enough information between them to cause a massive problem. Also with Clarice and Miata not returning to the organization the org itself might be on high alert. Things could go bad very quickly here.

But a fun side note. #3 Audrey: saved by ghosts, #4 Miata: Saved by ghosts, #5 Rachel: saved by ghosts, #6 Renee: Taken by Riful, #9 Nina: Saved by ghosts, #47 Clarice: saved by ghosts. At the time being the organization only has #1, 2, 7, 8 who are not indebted to the ghosts and who still are still alive and single digits. Though Rachel and Audrey will probably fight against the ghosts.

[zato_1one]

AB actually could hide their Yoki to some extents. It's very depend on Claymore reading Yoki skill. Many Claymores can sense only when they're getting close.

1. The AB in Slasher Arc. He could hide his Yoki from Miria group and he could get very close to them.
2. Riful in Witch's Maw Arc just like Chiba has mentioned.

But the problem is that Rune is the eye. It's either that Galatea set standard too high or Rune is too inexperience. In other words, she is suck. :heh:

As I've already said it still doesn't have any evidence that Galatea couldn't sense Prissy.

[NCommander]

I'm also waiting for decent English scans (that, and I can't find the poor ones), but it appears to be an interesting chapter. I dunno what to make of Priscilla, but I sorta get the feeling she's been following Raki because he reminders her of Clare (she states that she likes the smell).

As for Priscilla getting smaller due to lack of eating, well, it makes sense.

(and hi, I'm new here)

[yezhanquan]

This chapter just confirms to me that Yagi-sensei reads LotR. He very evidently used the "thinning of the bloodlines" part. Generally, as we've seen, the quality of warriors produced has gone downhill since day one. There are exceptions, definitely.

[Negativedark]

Cute non people eating Priss doesn't bother me. A theme of Claymore is that all the Claymores are in some way victims. Opheliea was a victim. Claire is a victim. And yeah Priss is a victim. That however does not excuse the things they do. It gives you sympathy for Ophelia when you learn about her brother, but you still know that she's crazy and had to be stopped. Same thing for Priss. Ever since she showed back up in the north I've felt that that she's had multiple personality disorder. Right now she's an innocent. But one that is deadly when hungrey. The fact this personality no longer binges on entire towns shows it is growing. However if the personality that she had when she first awakened shows up, then their is a huge problem. That one is cruel, and sadistic, and in my opinion is the one that killed Teresea. Personally I don't see how these developments are boring, simply because when Claire learns of all this it is going to deeply affect her. As for when Priss can no longer hold back, I think that she won't kill Raki, but rather flee from him so as to avoid hurting him. Raki will be about the only person that she won't eat.

[yezhanquan]

I want to see the Puppetmaster! When is he appearing?

[Cyclone]

I think that girl is called Renée btw ^^;

René (male) or Renée (female) is usually spelt "Rune" in Japanese (in French they are both pronounced the same way), which confused me quite a bit when a first saw it as well.
But Renée is a name, while Lune is not and neither is Rune. They are both words afaik. And both would be spelt differently in Katakana, more like "Ruun". Typing "Rune" in wikipedia will also guide you to the page of "René/Renée".

Hope that clears the spelling problem. Still waiting to read the whole chapter myself, but her hair definitely looks awesome :D

Sometimes I feel like I'll never understand Japanese. I mean why wouldn't they transliterate Renee as レネー instead? They have the alphabet to pull that one off perfectly...
In any event, you may be right considering every other Claymore has a normal western name, still I kinda like Rune/Lune (despite knowing I need to pronounce it ru-ne not ruun [like anime is a-ni-me, not a-naim]). Ah well.

As for Galatea not sensing Pricilla. Rubbish.
After what Miria said, Galatea saying: "A year ago a strong youma came and left" would have made about as much sense as her reminiscing about her favorite cloud formations she had ever seen or complaining about the water treatment facilities at Rabona, at that time. There is a time and place for everything, and after Miria said, that is not it.

Rune/Lune/Renee is competant, but no where near Galatea's level (even pre-blindness).

[Ryuken]

What strikes me as wired was that even Riful wasn't able to sense Prissy form anywhere. If that is the case then she has no idea about Prissy and Raki. Very possible that she might bump into them on the way.
And of course as @Cyclone puts it, Galatea is the best sensor yet. If anyone can sense Prissy in her current condition (predicted this earlier and was right about it) its Galatea.

[Anima]

Hah! Just read the new chapter altho the translation is very bad.

So after all, Yagi pulled the "Priscilla with Raki" trick. Poor Clare prepared for a good shock. No eating for long times shrinks the body of an AB? that's something.. Imagine Riful not eating and shrinking to a dwarf :heh:

Now seriously, I found Lune's design refreshing from the regular ones. I am kinda sure that if portrayed in colors by Yagi she would have a dark colored skin and I wouldn't be surprised if the hybridization lightened her after she was completely black. Lune being a rude Claymore unlike the previous Eye. Eh, she seemed overconfident in herself. Got what she deserved. :rolleyes:

The scene where Lune jumps away from Priscilla is very Bleach-esque in nature (strong reiatsu stunning the opponent for a second). I liked it alot.

Riful is being very serious about Lune, she must be in "crisis management" mode :D
If Lune did awaken then that's a strong kick in the nuts for the Org. Losing their eye. I hope it would provoke them to dispatch the Zemas.

All in all, good chapter.

[Anima]

Another note about Priscilla's not eating. We know that when she awakened she kept killing and killing and never felt full. Now that she hasn't eaten for years and at her limits (as Raki claims) that would pose a serious threat to the Claymore world. She could wreck havoc all over the world to feel full and regain her full size again (not intentionally).

Also was her insane yoki affected by not eating? Lune's reaction can't be used IMO since Priscilla could have lost some powers but still very powerful nonetheless.

It seems Yagi is giving us more questions about the nature of AB than answers.

[Ryuken]

Hah! Just read the new chapter altho the translation is very bad.

So after all, Yagi pulled the "Priscilla with Raki" trick. Poor Clare prepared for a good shock. No eating for long times shrinks the body of an AB? that's something.. Imagine Riful not eating and shrinking to a dwarf :heh:

Now seriously, I found Lune's design refreshing from the regular ones. I am kinda sure that if portrayed in colors by Yagi she would have a dark colored skin and I wouldn't be surprised if the hybridization lightened her after she was completely black. Lune being a rude Claymore unlike the previous Eye. Eh, she seemed overconfident in herself. Got what she deserved. :rolleyes:

The scene where Lune jumps away from Priscilla is very Bleach-esque in nature (strong reiatsu stunning the opponent for a second). I liked it alot.

Riful is being very serious about Lune, she must be in "crisis management" mode :D
If Lune did awaken then that's a strong kick in the nuts for the Org. Losing their eye. I hope it would provoke them to dispatch the Zemas.

All in all, good chapter.

Yea, that's pretty much it, as far as this chapter is concerned. Feel that something interesting will happen in the next chapter. It has to!!:)

[NobodyMan]

Well, since I like Raki (alot), I probably enjoyed this chapter more so than people who don't care much for him. :)

But yeah, not a whole lot happned in this chapter, mostly talk with just a hint of action (Riful, you rascal you, finally got your hands on a new toy to call your own. :p). But we did learn some awesome new information, Like ABs not having to eat guts afterall (what a twist!).

I actually like Renee (Lune)'s hairstyle, definitly out of the ordinary. And she has several lol worthy expressions throughout the chapter. Raki also has some choice expressions on his face (one of the only characters in the manga who can say something so grim with such a carefree expression on his face :D). He's an optimist of the highest order alright, and those don't seem to last long in the world of Claymore. Raki's tough though, he'll survive, at least until the end of the series (I hope). It's also kind of refreshing to see such an individual in a depressing world such as Claymore, where no one is safe.

All of what I wrote is based off of the chinese scans and the information given in this thread, so not all of it may be accurate. :heh:

Something big is going to happen in the next few chapters, I can feel it in my bones. Things are gonna get real grim, real soon.

[yezhanquan]

Well, since I like Raki (alot), I probably enjoyed this chapter more so than people who don't care much for him. :)

But yeah, not a whole lot happned in this chapter, mostly talk with just a hint of action (Riful, you rascal you, finally got your hands on a new toy to call your own. :p). But we did learn some awesome new information, Like ABs not having to eat guts afterall (what a twist!).

I actually like Renee (Lune)'s hairstyle, definitly out of the ordinary. And she has several lol worthy expressions throughout the chapter. Raki also has some choice expressions on his face (one of the only characters in the manga who can say something so grim with such a carefree expression on his face :D). He's an optimist of the highest order alright, and those don't seem to last long in the world of Claymore. Raki's tough though, he'll survive, at least until the end of the series (I hope). It's also kind of refreshing to see such an individual in a depressing world such as Claymore, where no one is safe.

All of what I wrote is based off of the chinese scans and the information given in this thread, so not all of it may be accurate. :heh:

Something big is going to happen in the next few chapters, I can feel it in my bones. Things are gonna get real grim, real soon.

Well, needed those after the War in the North.

[kari-no-sugata]

Been ignoring this thread until I saw the raws...

Though everyone seems to be rating Galatea as >>> Renee, Riful is actually relatively impressed, believe it or not.

Basically seems that Riful was not hiding with Duph, but ahead of him - she had Duph drive Renee towards a hidden Riful, as far as I can tell (the Japanese seems a little odd).

Riful says: You sensed Duph from far away... and though it was just before [I attacked] you were also able to sense my hidden Youki...

Riful's complimenting her (though not massively). Renee seems to be good enough for Riful - she's been looking for a good Youki sensor after all. Her smile/grin at the end basically confirms this. If/when Renee meets Clare, I think it would be after Riful has had her way with Renee...


Not saying Renee's comparable to "God Eye" Galatea, but that she's good enough. I imagine that Riful was cloaking her Youki to the max just before attacking - post half-awakened Clare couldn't sense Riful from medium distance at all until Galatea pointed her out and Riful was probably not suppressing her Youki to the max at the time. Audry and co were literally on top of Riful but took their time in figuring out just how powerful Riful was. I guess you could say that the real one being underestimated is Riful ;)

[Enara]

I looked at the raw's and I sure hope L/R une / Renee (witch one is it) is a defensive if raki and little miss no-eat-em show up for some ass kicking and save her and she's not defensive she loses at lest one arm.

[khryoleoz]

Btw, did anyone else notice those big shiny eyes Priscilla had. Oh, she's gotten too cute... WAIT SHE KILLED TERESA! AHHH I AM SO CONFLICTED!!!
Okay, let me help you.


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[PureYoki]

Renee didn't sense Riful till the last moment so we can say that Riful has excellent yoki suppression skills, almost to the extent of Priscilla. (Even Clarice can notice a normal AB from that range. :D)

If every AB/claymore/yoma has that kind of control over their yoki, none of them could be detected by their yoki aura.

And our G7 had their yoki suppressed for seven years and even Galatea can't read their yoki now (unless she touches them). Priscilla may be in the same situation, it's highly probable that she didn't release her yoki in the past seven years and she might be invisible to yoki readers.

[Riful]

Sometimes I feel like I'll never understand Japanese. I mean why wouldn't they transliterate Renee as レネー instead? They have the alphabet to pull that one off perfectly...

lol, I understand what you mean. The whole problem ist that you don't only need to know Japanese, but also the original language the word or name was taken from.
They do not base the Katakana on the letters, but on the pronunciation and French words tend to end up really bad and even hard to recognize for native speakers.
レネー does not correspond to the French pronunciation of the name. They do use レネ, but that one is more based on the English and German pronunciation of the same name. the French "e" is almost always written as "u" in Katakana. The best example is still Ruvuru .... it really took me a lot of time to recognize ルーヴル as "Louvre" and I'm not surprised that the English translator maybe didn't realize this reference.

I also looked up the Katakana spelling of Lune (the French word for "moon"), it is in fact "Ryunu" ... I'd never recognize that one if I ever stumbled across it in some text.

so, yea, I hate Katakana :D

on a different note, Riful compliments Renee for being able to sense Daff from very far away and to be able to sense her, even if she was already very close. So according to Riful sensing her Yoki even if she stands right beside you is already a difficult task and she is still impressed by Renee. Maybe Riful did improve her Youki hiding abilities quite a bit as well.

[Gooral]

(...)
As for Galatea not sensing Pricilla. Rubbish.
After what Miria said, Galatea saying: "A year ago a strong youma came and left" would have made about as much sense as her reminiscing about her favorite cloud formations she had ever seen or complaining about the water treatment facilities at Rabona, at that time. There is a time and place for everything, and after Miria said, that is not it. (...)
If we would be talking about strong youma then yes, it would be rubbish and sharing such information with everyone would be stupid, but Priscilla isn't "strong youma". She's the most powerful being on the island so I think such detail has more significance than Galatea's cloud preference. After what Miria said, Galatea saying: "Yeah, let's attack MiB and everything will sort by itself, whatever that there's being far stronger than Alicia and Beth, it certainly wouldn't attack us. Heck, why am I even saying it, let's kill those bastards, some über powerful AB is irrelevant to our case" with sarcastic tone would be more probable.
If it was only strong youma she sensed I doubt Galatea would leave it alone, rather attacked it. After all even the strongest youma was no match to her, she could kill it with a fork or bare hands even and no one would notice because of her speed. If Raki could do it using sword, she could do it with her tongue ;). So I assume either she didn't sense her or sensed AB which seemed weaker than Agatha on restraint (she said herself she kept low profile and was on a diet) and didn't bother to do anything. Either way it shows how good Priscilla had to be at suppressing youki.

About Riful getting better at suppressing youki, it certainly is a possibility but it's strange she wasn't that good before. She had so much time to fully develop this skill and conveniently she managed to do so now.
What bothers me is that Raki started travelling with Priscilla "many years ago" (according to shrimpy's translation) meaning it must have been not long after we've seen him last. So from the start Raki assumed that she was harmless awakened being even though he didn't know her that much. Even if he knew about her true identity only after he started to travel with her alone, it would be bold statement that he didn't see her eating guts, because he wasn't with Priscilla at all times then. It seems anime wasn't that far away from truth after all.

[PureYoki]

Translator gives

Lune = リュヌ
Rune = ルーン文字
Rene = レネ
Renee = レニー
René = ルネ (The spelling in the Japanese spoiler.)

Are these correct? :confused:

[PureYoki]

If Raki could do it using sword, she could do it with her tongue.

Oh, I really would like to see that scene. :D

[Mangaloid]

It would be funny if Isley really were dead and Raki were responsible for it. I can see it now after Isley trains Raki to be an expert swordsmen. Raki finds out about him being an AB and sneaks up on him at night while he sleeps and chops his head off. This scenario would be perfect if this were highlanders instead of claymore because then Raki would become immortal.

[NobodyMan]

Lol, Highlander Raki.

Raki: *taps Isley on the shoulder*
Isley: *opens eyes* ...huh?
Raki: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!
Isley: What the f- *head chopped off*
Raki: Power...unlimited POWER!

[PureYoki]

About Riful getting better at suppressing youki, it certainly is a possibility but it's strange she wasn't that good before. She had so much time to fully develop this skill and conveniently she managed to do so now.

Yes, and we thought ABs couldn't improve their skills anymore but it seems they can when they need to.

Luciela and Isley were almost equal in power, so either Luciela's raw yoki is higher than Isley's to compensate the age/experience/skill difference or Isley has been sitting idle for all these years.

[myshka]

SO it's starting to look like the org is actually getting better at making claymores that can control their yoma side even when close or even at the time of awakening. I mean Priscilla is starting to look like their poster girl. She has fully awakened but has managed to keep it under control for 7 years! I bet Jean could have done that too :). Only took them 100 years :P.

Also anyone else thinks that it's fishy that Riful was hanging around same area as Priscilla? We knwo that for a long itme she's been wanting to defeat Iseley and take control of the lands. She never took any interest in the Org, since thye left her alone for many years. Maybe she's shadowing Raki and Priscilla? Still not ready to make her move?

[Ryuken]

Lol, Highlander Raki.

Raki: *taps Isley on the shoulder*
Isley: *opens eyes* ...huh?
Raki: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!
Isley: What the f- *head chopped off*
Raki: Power...unlimited POWER!

:heh:Haha, that was a good one @NobodyMan.:heh:

[khryoleoz]

Yes, and we thought ABs couldn't improve their skills anymore but it seems they can when they need to.

Luciela and Isley were almost equal in power, so either Luciela's raw yoki is higher than Isley's to compensate the age/experience/skill difference or Isley has been sitting idle for all these years.

I don't believe that the hybrids exhaust their development upon awakening. I'm sure that with a lot of practice and hard work, Riful can become an outstanding concert pianist to even surpass Martha Argerich. I'm also certain that Isley can excel at culunary arts and science to surpass Bobby Flay or Gordon Ramsay. And give her enough time, Clare can outclass any Bobby Fischer, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Itzhak Perlman, Megumi Noda, Kazuma Azuma, Inokuma Yawara...whoever.

[NobodyMan]

Sorry, but Raki is already the culinary arts and science master here. Who else could cook such delicious food that it even satisfies the peculiar tastes of Isley and Priscilla, the two most powerful people in the land? I'm sure Riful would enjoy his cooking as well. :D

I'm just waiting to see him in an apron cooking with his delicious southern style for chibi!Priscilla. :p

[Negativedark]

Well I'm sure that when we get to the end of the manga and God Mode Claire fights Priss, she'll finish her with a technique that only kills her Yoma side, turning Priss into a baby, and giving her a second chance while bieng raised by Claire and Raki. Honest.

[Ryuken]

I don't believe that the hybrids exhaust their development upon awakening. I'm sure that with a lot of practice and hard work, Riful can become an outstanding concert pianist to even surpass Martha Argerich. I'm also certain that Isley can excel at culunary arts and science to surpass Bobby Flay or Gordon Ramsay. And give her enough time, Clare can outclass any Bobby Fischer, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Itzhak Perlman, Megumi Noda, Kazuma Azuma, Inokuma Yawara...whoever.

Nice, you know your celebrities.:)

[Flar]

Allow me to gloat along with Chiba. After pitching a thought (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1641395#post1641395) about small Priscilla, backed up by montages from images of the manga, among others, and yet being told that it was impossible, that she was taller, that it made no sense, etc, it's nice to see I was right after all.

Anyway, now that the phase of setting up after the time gap is almost at an end, we will see more action. We have our heroines with a HQ in Rabona, with intel and muscle on site, plus the special ops squad, poised to take on the Org. We have the Raki thread taken care off. We have Riful finally setting her plan into motion. We had a quick look at the Org's strategy and state through Audrey, Clarice and even Miria. All that's left is a shot or two of Isley, and the great war against the Org can begin, with its share of surprise powerupping and expected non-twists.

Having said that, I must admit I'm pretty amazed by the small size of Yagi's world. I thought we'd know Priscilla was Prisc in this chapter, but that it would not be right away story-time wise, but when Raki & co would sense and go rescue some Claymore. Alas, the usual coincidence said that Lune (and Riful) just happened to to be near Raki's town at the exact moment they came and slew the Yoma... without either synchronizing their timing, as they didn't sense each others.

Claymore having jumped the shark? No, it always was like that, only now it's more complex with a potential to be more than a linear quest for vengeance with regular powerups and pitch-black evil, inhuman enemies. I'm not sure Yagi has the skill to pull that off, though, but we'll see.

[Defiled one]

A "sidenote"
I don´t believe that Raki, after all these years, haven´t laid with Priscilla. Maybe not now. but I´m sure that when he was younger. She nailed him!!

Question resides in which form?!:naughty:

[Ryuken]

A "sidenote"
I don´t believe that Raki, after all these years, haven´t laid with Priscilla. Maybe not now. but I´m sure that when he was younger. She nailed him!!

Question resides in which form?!:naughty:

Hmmmm! Now did she really nail him or not. How many nails?, I wonder?:D:)

[Anh_Minh]

Damn. This chapter raises more questions than it answers. What happened to Isley? When did Raki find out Priscilla was an AB? When did Priscilla stop eating?

[KillerYomaFromSpace]

in the ch80 discussion, I was going to post a sarcastic comment about why priscila couldn't be that little girl.

it was going to be something like: if that girl is Priscila then she is "the incredible shrinking woman"

and now I find out that she actually IS!

this is why I love Claymore so much, it always goes for the crazy and unexpected, yet awesome route, always surprising me, and now even backfiring my sarcasm!

[ergon]

zomg 17 pages in 2 days! must have something to do with the identity of the little girl.

[tenken627]

If you think about it, Raki didn't know a single thing about ABs while he was with Clare. He didn't even know much about Claymores.

Anything about ABs and Priscilla that Raki will know will have come from Isley. Raki will probably believe whatever Isley tells him.

If that's the case, if Isley tells Raki that Priscilla is becoming a child because she doesn't eat humans, Raki will believe that is true, whether or not if it really is true. I'm not sure if every ABs that do not heat human flesh really turns into a 5 year old toddler. Priscilla may be a special case due to her body, mind, or something Isley has done to her.

I don't see Priscilla herself telling Raki this information, especially if her mind is like that of a child.

Can you imagine this?

chibi Priscilla: Hey Uncle Raki, I am turning into a baby because you don't feed me humans.

Priscilla is probably unaware of what is going on within herself. She might feel urges, but Raki probably keeps an eye on her, due to whatever Isley told him.

And Isley is the cunning type. Isley will tell Raki only things that he wants Raki to know.







As for Renee (Lune) and Riful, there are 3 times in the story where Riful and Claymores are involved.

1) The cave where Riful has captured Jean -

Clare doesn't sense Riful but Galatea does. Riful NOT in hunt mode. She was sitting there watching Duph torture Jean until Clare then Galatea appeared.

Riful in a nonchalant mood, just sitting there.

2) The scene where Riful pops up on Audrey + Rachel -

No one, including the Ghosts felt Riful until Riful popped up. Audrey, Rachel, and the others in the hunt group were just relaxing after their successful AB kill and then Riful appeared out of nowhere.

In this episode, Riful was in full hunt mode until she was in front of the Claymores. And then instead of automatically just wiping the Claymores out in one swoop, she decided to sit there and chat in her full AB form.

Seems like in a playful mood, not serious.

Of course, in a form that is almost basically pure yoki, people are going to detect it from far off. But, no one saw her coming until it was too late.

3) The scene where Riful captures Renee -

Riful in full hunt mode and in a foul mood. She swoops in, but doesn't stop to chit chat until after she disables her victim. She does this in mostly human form and not in AB form except for a few tentacles coming from under her potato sack.

Not in a playful mood at all, Riful is dead serious this time.

[Taylor_Maclaurin]

Anything about ABs and Priscilla that Raki will know will have come from Isley. Raki will probably believe whatever Isley tells him.
I don't believe he's that stupid. By your logic Isley wouldn't have to tell Raki Priscilla's AB.

As for Riful, you seem to be quite an expert in reading from a drawing and few words what mood she was in. I think Riful is much more complicated character and she can't be easily read. For example I wouldn't say she wasn't serious when she tortured Jean or told Dauf to kill Katea or when she was lecturing Jean about what is bad and wrong. It didn't seem to me either that she was more serious when she caught Renee, sure she impaled her but she did so before with Jean and others. The trap was of a bit different kind but still she was serious then too.

[Bikerider]

Riful displays the tendencies of a cat more and more. This time her ambush and capture with little effort was successful.

[Mangaloid]

Its going to be funny seeing Lune's awakened form look just like Riful's, but her tentacles are going to look braided instead of flat. lol

[Mikke]

Lune is cute :p I think she was a black girl before turned claymore

[irvinethearcher]

Is Awakening absolutely necessary for the yoki sensing/manipulating that Riful needs?

I mean, if Lune agrees willingly to help Riful, does she have to Awaken?

I guess unless Lune is a defensive type Claymore, she is going to need to Awaken to regrow her right hand since it gets pretty much obliterated.

Some people in this forum(i too) assume, that awakening enlarges the abilitie to manipulate yoki because of the enlarged amount of yoki an AB has and because of the fact that yoki manip is allways yoki alignment. Think about the Puppetmaster AB in Pieta. For Riful, an awakened Claymore like lune is therefore a very good thing. But IMO she searches for as many yoki - manips as she can get.


A full awakening does not mean you have to eat humans.

This is huge. Not a little bit huge. REALLY HUGE. AB's are not all mindless monsters driven by their passions, even ones who have already eaten entire towns full of people. There is hope for them even after awakening. It seems forgiveness for Priscilla becomes more possible with every new development the story gets, though the story will get dark so there is no telling. AB's as allies in the future seems possible. Maybe even an eventual unawakening...


Yeah, but you vanish probably into nothingness an AB needs guts like a vampire blood. And it is unclear if an normal AB would have the energy/yoki to withstand for such a long time priscilla did.
Don't forget one thing: Priscilla has lost her memory, so she didn't know about what she did before she awakened and she probably didn't even know THAT she awakened.
Like easley said:
"Memory loss? No, regression to infancy!...
Her mind has returned to that of a child."

That's where it's frustrating me a little. The way things have been progressing, everybody has been reduced to being victims of circumstances. We can absolve characters of accountability because none have it as victims. ABs are not confined to any moral restraint to abide human dignity [recalling the AB morality debate]. So Priscilla becomes worthy of some if not much sympathy because fault lies in the best Claymore in history for provoking her awakening. Ironically, we owe it all to an AO for having inflicted mental trauma such that she would take up a cause and help protect human kind (for all that we know so far), or at least go an a severely restricted diet, while she can help it.

A significant part of the story progressed to make such a big bad in Priscilla, who was born at a severe cost to me. Call it disdain, but after 57 chapters since my heart was broken, there has not been one worthy mention of that best Claymore ever in a way that had been crucial and integral to the story's progress as of late. I'm still waiting for Clare to kick some Prissy hiney.

But, the revelation does put an interesting twist to things and adds some depth and nuance. I just wished that before Yagi did this, he gave me some closure and satisfaction to the original, simple revenge plot.

IMO when priscilla reaches her limit she will be as bad as before, but somehow priscilla reminds me in a way of gollum in LOTR's. Perhaps in the end she will serve a higher purpose with her power.
And we have to distinguish between the sadistical and greedy personality of AB Priscilla and the caring and loving personality of the regressed-to-childhood priscilla.

In the end we probably have to remember theresa's saying:
"The real world doesn't work that way, young lady!" That is something clare will probably have to learn too.

[chibamonster]

The interesting thing to me is that it seems that AB's do not have to eat any more than Claymores for survival. Obviously Priscilla is still alive and strong enough to scare Renee and she has really gone cold turkey. The partially awakened Claymores feel pangs of hunger, but they do not require more food. Well, Helen is an exception. Maybe Alicia and Beth drink protein shakes, but it really seems that awakening does not mandate a new requirement for human flesh intake. It seems more of a strange addiction or craving. It also appears that no matter how much Priscilla ate she never got full. I am curious where this hunger comes from. I have my own theories of course, but they are a little far out there.

An AB who does not eat people is a really awesome concept. It is exactly what the organization wanted. So Raki, by being a friendly cook with a heart of gold now has control over the exact thing that the organization wants. Not to mention that Priscilla is stronger than just about anyone else in the entire series. Raki is in quite a position of power. Though it is a definite cause of future trouble when he meets Clare... I wonder if she will recognize Priscilla as the same monster that took Teresa from her or if she will be shocked and disarmed in the same way Raphaela was when she met her very human looking sister despite hunting her for years.

Now this is something that is really interesting. Raki is bringing Priscilla with him to meet Clare. Prissy is helping the Rakster look for her. Someone mentioned that Raki probably does not know much about Claymores and AB's, but I disagree. He knows a ton about Claymore proceedure, rules, etc including the black card, claymore's limits, and he even met an AB face to face. Clare did not explain explicitly about AB's, but he knew Claymores could turn into youma's, he heard Ophelia say Clare smelled like an awakened being, and he saw the swan AB that tried to eat him.

The thing that really sticks out to me is something Raki knows about Clare: She crossed her limit and returned even though she thought it was impossible. Raki was holding her when it happened. I am sure he has pieced some things together from that, especially coupled with Ophelia's words about AB's. So Raki knows something most claymores and AB's do not; limits are not set. He probably does not know about soul links, awakened limbs or anything like that, but with just the information he has he might have some hope that Priscilla can be helped.

Man I love Claymore.

[NobodyMan]

I was looking around and stumbled upon Shrimpy's translation of Ch 81. I read it and found something of interest. In one of the panels in page 9, Renee (Lune) says this:

-For a human to possess the abilities and strength to slay Youma isn't out of the ordinary
-However...the problem here is that you could tell who it was...
-That's the biggest reason that we are in charge of hunting down Youma


I want to ask first thing is if it's accurate or not. If it is than chances of Raki being human is pretty much certain now

Raki also said he met a bunch of claymores during his travels and asked each one about Clare

[SleepiB]

I'm guessing the 7 ghosts meet and join raki and priscilla, and priscilla eats her fill of the MiBs

[irvinethearcher]

Hm, i think priscilla was so hungry because of her enormous yoki and power. Perhaps the simple ratio that the more power an ab has the more it has to eat to not become smaller is valid? And perhaps directely after the transformation the hunger of an ab ist far greater.

Perhaps it is even possible to reverse the awakening, but it would probably only work with specialists like clare, galatea or raphaell working together(?) and the AB has to help too. That could be done, because priscilla isn't aggressive at the moment.

[chibamonster]

@ Nobodyman: Yeah, that is what I got from what she said. Raki is like, "oh it just kind of happened because this weird dude totally provoked me" then she grabs him "Don't patronize me. Did you think I'd buy that BS?" and Raki is like, "Hey knock it off, it is against the rules for a warrior to lay their hands on normal people ain't it" Then Renee gets pissed and Priscilla is all like, " umm... are you bullying Raki?" "Back off, I haven't hurt him." Then Renee gets chibi pwned by Prissy and she flips. Awesome :D.

It seems like Priscilla is a WMD aimed at anything that goes after Raki. Sort of like Miata defending Clarice. Prissy and Miata might get along very well... assuming their "parents" get along. I really like how cool headed Raki is with jerky panicky villagers, a hot headed Claymore, and the most powerful monster on the whole continent around him all at the same time. He's actually pretty good at talking people down and knocking some sense into them with some verbal sword play.

I think an unawakening of an AB is even more possible now with Priscilla than before when I brought it up. I used to think it was possible because of Priscilla's extreeme hatred of youma which might be utilized to cause a schism in her psyche. Now with her not eating people I think she definitely has the motivation and even will power to be the first partially unawakened AB :D. I don't know if she will ever return to being a claymore, but she might become a creature who is not plagued by hunger.

[KillerYomaFromSpace]

now, after this chapter, and also taking into account Hilda's behaviour, I'll repost my previous question:

would it be crazy to think that if one of the ghosts awakened, she could still be by their side? I do not think so

[NobodyMan]

Yeah, It's kind of funny when he grabs one of them and just screams at him, and then says: "Did that bring you to your senses?" :p The dude's just crazy! (in a good way)

Raki's awesome in this chapter, he even calls himself a stupid idiot and then says he doesn't know any other way to live. :D

Also, the verbal swordplay was probably a gift from Isley. :cool:

[tenken627]

First, let me apologize for not making my earlier post very coherent. I was pretty much recovering from a massive hangover earlier. (I drank way too much :( )



I don't believe he's that stupid. By your logic Isley wouldn't have to tell Raki Priscilla's AB.


Well, where else would Raki's knowledge of ABs come from? The human populace don't know about ABs. Clare herself didn't know about ABs until Rubel told her during the Slashers' Arc.

And no one really knows much about ABs besides the MiBs and the ABs themselves. And the MiBs don't really tell their Claymores much, especially to a rank #47.

So, where did Raki get the information that Priscilla's physical regression is due to her not eating humans?

It is either A) Raki's own guess, B) Priscilla herself told Raki, C) Isley told Raki

It's not a matter of Raki being stupid. It's a matter of getting knowledge that is rare and unknown to almost everybody, including Claymores. Isley telling Raki would be the best explanation of where Raki gets his knowledge of ABs.





As for Riful, you seem to be quite an expert in reading from a drawing and few words what mood she was in. I think Riful is much more complicated character and she can't be easily read. For example I wouldn't say she wasn't serious when she tortured Jean or told Dauf to kill Katea or when she was lecturing Jean about what is bad and wrong. It didn't seem to me either that she was more serious when she caught Renee, sure she impaled her but she did so before with Jean and others. The trap was of a bit different kind but still she was serious then too.



Yes, my words weren't really written very well. But, at the cave, Riful was just being an observer. She was interested in Clare and Galatea, and seeing how they fare against Duph. If she wanted to claim Clare and Galatea at that point, she would have done so initially. But, she never touched Clare or Galatea.

During her fight with Audrey and Rachel, she was toying around with them. She could have taken them all out in a second, yet she toyed with them letting them think that they had a chance.

Riful didn't have to do that. She could have wiped them out in her first strike, and everyone would not have realized it until it was too late, including Tabitha, Clare, and the rest of the Ghosts. Like I said, she was toying with them. She never impaled Audrey or Rachel until she was done toying with them. But, that was when the Ghosts showed up.

Riful destroyed Renee's sword hand right away, never giving Renee the chance to try and fight back. You could tell from that move alone that this Riful was deadly serious. Riful isn't about to watch and observe or stay and watch Renee try to fight back this time. Her first move was to disable Renee.




The reason why I think this is significant is that it shows Riful's playful nature earlier on during her other appearances.

I believe that when Riful is serious, she moves so fast that it is very hard to sense her yoki until it is too late. In this mood, she could catch Clare or Galatea off guard, much like she did to Renee.

That is why Riful was impressed that Renee sensed Riful, even though it was at the last second. And the reason why Renee passed her test. When Riful is in this state, it is hard to sense Riful's yoki period for anybody.

Renee is fit to have the title of "Eye". The current generation may have their faults, but they are not as weak as people think they are. It is just that Riful is no slouch when she is serious and not playing around.

[etothex]

I believe that when Riful is serious, she moves so fast that it is very hard to sense her yoki until it is too late. In this mood, she could catch Clare or Galatea off guard, much like she did to Renee.


When the Jean/Clare/Galatea vs Riful fight was over, she "disappeared" right before their eyes too, with Jean and Clare with their jaws dropped, and Jean commenting on how crazy it was that something that size could disappear so quickly. disappear to a claymore of course means youki-sense-wise.

I'm rather surprised at the disdain at Renee not being able to sense Riful quickly enough, when the only person pre-pieta we've seen to notice her right away is Galatea. Riful has a lot more experience hiding from Claymores than Renee has experience trying to discern hiding Abyssal Ones. Even post-time skip, we're not sure about all the ghosts, since Yuma didn't sense Riful's power properly (she thought #3 and #5 were actually putting up a fight). I don't really consider the ghosts a good measure either, since their skills have changed somewhat from those of an Org-trained claymore. Besides, no matter how competent Renee (have we decided to go with this spelling?) was, there was no way we (the fanbase) would have accepted her as being at Galatea's level. So this is just confirmation. :p

[tenken627]

I'm rather surprised at the disdain at Renee not being able to sense Riful quickly enough, when the only person pre-pieta we've seen to notice her right away is Galatea. Even post-time skip, we're not sure about all the ghosts, since Yuma didn't sense Riful's power properly (she thought #3 and #5 were actually putting up a fight). I don't really consider the ghosts a good measure either, since their skills have changed somewhat from those of an Org-trained claymore. Besides, no matter how competent Renee (have we decided to go with this spelling?) was, there was no way we (the fanbase) would have accepted her as being at Galatea's level. So this is just confirmation. :p

Objectively and the fan boy in me still says Galatea is stronger :p, but I don't think that Renee really is a scrub in the "Eye" department either.






As for Priscilla, we still don't know much about Priscilla or ABs in the first place.

Is it really true that ABs become toddlers without human meat? Or is Priscilla a special case?

Is it something that Isley did?

Does it have something to do with Priscilla's broken child-like mind?

If Priscilla is a special case, could that be the reason why Priscilla is able to fully cloak her yoki like as if she was a Claymore?

We've never seen an AB that was able to fully cloak their yoki like that before. Does it have something to do with not eating humans?

Galatea never felt Priscilla at Rabona, Renee never felt Priscilla until she actually looked upon her.

There is so much that we don't know about Awakening, ABs, and yoki auras. And I'm hoping we'll find out soon.

[Ancient Soul]

The only think that got my attention in this chapter was to see Riful again and find out that she didn't dumped our little friend Dauf.Raki & Priscilla were a pain.Renee\Lune show again how dumb the ORG can be regarding purges\replacements.Is Rubel the only one with brains there?

All this chapter seem to want to make Priscilla appear "good" and Riful "bad".Like i can forget that they are awakened beings.Between the two Riful i believe is the lesser evil.

It is me or...

Riful look more mature than before.Also her hair seem longer.She look more like Agatha now.She eat a lot lately or what?Maybe is because of the yoki release but i'm not sure anymore.I wonder if AB eat more\less their yoki output increase\decrease or just their appearence. If Isley looked like a man imagine how much was eating before meeting Priscilla.I wonder if Isley didn't choose to stop using yoki\eat humans.Right now he may look like a young boy.No one will recognize him.

Until now i thought that once a claymore awaken she\he return to pre-claymore form and maintain it until yoki release.In one chapter Priscilla and Riful didn't agree anymore on this theory.So in fact is if you eat less you regress if you eat more you appear more mature.

This yoki supression is the ultimate power-up.Claymores and now even AB\AO can FULLY supress their yoki.Next we will see youmas who don't eat humans and don't have a yoki signature.If a AB stop using yoki and eat humans they can hide themselvs.They shrink in size and maybe they get weaker.In exchange they get stealth.Great Yoki Battles are unlike to happen when you can use claymores\AB\AO who can't be sensed like assassins.Riful just showed how easy is to caught unaware even an "eye".Also the Ghosts against Agatha did the same.

Riful plan don't have the target right now.Even if she has everything she need in order to defeat Priscilla, how she will track her as long Priscilla supress her yoki?Renee already show that she suck at yoki sensing as an eye.Tabitha look much better than her at this and she was nr. 31.Galatea would have a laught when she find out with who the ORG replaced her.

I think that the only one who can sense\track from distance Priscilla now...is Miata, not Galatea.Priscilla just showed that is under full supression and the new eye couldn't sense her until they had body contact for some time.Galatea would sense her but from a small distance, while Miata can track her anywhere.

By now the mainland seem a very dangerous place.Imagine claymores , AB, AO, youmas,MiBs, even DODs traveling among humans without no one being able to notice them because no one sense them due to yoki supression.

I'm amazed how Raki brainwashed Priscilla to such extend.His smell is that strong?Hope that Miata will be immune to Raki's brainwashing smell or better attack him on sight and preventing the ghosts from falling in his arms.

Raki is risking by walking with an AO in the middle of towns and villages.Priscilla can snap at any moment and destroy everything.If he want to live with her he must go in a cave and stop searching for Clare.I don't see Clare have a living with Priscilla under the same roof anyway.

Priscilla will snap anyway sooner or later.Unless Raki find a way to reverse the awakening process starving Priscilla to death is nothing but torture and pointless.And even if he reverse her body condition her mind i doubt that can be saved.Some can say that is a good thing that Priscilla didn't eat anyone for maybe seven years.It is,but i remember her rampage before that.This time will be even worse due to the starvation.

Isley seem to have vanish unoticed by Riful and The ORG.He is gone, dead or is supressing his yoki like mad.Maybe he is starving himself to death in a cave because of Raki's shikai ability Absolute Hypnosis...oh yes Raki's bankai power is Absolute Luck...

Would be hilarious to see both Isley and Priscilla on Raki's shoulders...what next?

[Ryuken]

I was thinking that after Renee backed away from Prissy and Raki, Prissy actually started towards Renee. It was Raki that stopped her. Wonder what would have happened if he hadn't stopped her. This also conforms that Raki, for the time being, has a firm control over Prissy. But I don't think it's going to last for too long. I mean the girl has to eat something sometime soon. And when that happens something is going to give.

[NobodyMan]

Claymore 81 is out on OneManga now, just letting you know. Looks like a bad translation though, I'm not sure. Lol at "anti-yoma herbs". :D also lol at the many author's notes thorughout the chapter.

[Vinak]

oh shit. Raki told Lune his name....and Lune ran into Riful.

Riful is going to find out about Clare and Raki's relationship.... oh noes.

[Korinov]

Claymore 81 is out on OneManga now, just letting you know. Looks like a bad translation though, I'm not sure. Lol at "anti-yoma herbs". :D also lol at the many author's notes thorughout the chapter.

The notes simply suck :D Well, at least I could finally read all the chapter without needing a translation near, but I expect that scanlation is gonna be replaced for another better soon, like happened last month.

[tenken627]

Claymore 81 is out on OneManga now, just letting you know. Looks like a bad translation though, I'm not sure. Lol at "anti-yoma herbs". :D also lol at the many author's notes thorughout the chapter.

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oh shit. Raki told Lune his name....and Lune ran into Riful.

Riful is going to find out about Clare and Raki's relationship.... oh noes.

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[Mangaloid]

Yeah, I think the awakened Lune might meet Clare before Raki does. I don't think Yagi is going to let that conversation go to waste.

[NobodyMan]

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[tenken627]

http://netninja.com/images/lj/ya_rly.jpg

:heh: nice nice

Yeah, I read that scanlation - by Geogaddi

It says that it's his first project like this, and it looks like he was trying to make it funny. I laughed.

Someone probably just found it and put it on Onemanga for now. It'll be replaced by a better scanlation.




lol. On his credit page, he thanks China for sucking at raws.

Is that you Cyclone? lol

[yezhanquan]

Is this chapter REALLY that good? For me, everyone did what they're supposed to do. Nothing unusual.

[Riful]

Translator gives

Lune = リュヌ (French)
Rune = ルーン文字 (English)
Rene = レネ (German/English)
Renee = レニー (English)
René (male) and Renée (female) = ルネ (The spelling in the Japanese spoiler.) (French)

Are these correct? :confused:

Yes it is correct like this ^^ So her name is supposed to be pronounced the French way (like Beyoncé f.ex.) and not English as Reniiii ^^

[NobodyMan]

Well, compared to other chapters, it's pretty average, but since it has alot of timeskip!Raki in it, I give it extra points. :heh:

[yezhanquan]

Well, compared to other chapters, it's pretty average, but since it has alot of timeskip!Raki in it, I give it extra points. :heh:

...Fine.

Anyway, I hope Yagi doesn't do a reversal and make Priscilla's brain grow back. It will jar my senses again.

[Guido]

Why is it that this current generation (post 7-year time skip) of Claymores are all cocky and arrogant?

Gosh, they're too full of themselves.

[yezhanquan]

The bloodlines run thin, Guido.

[Zsych]

It seems that Priscilla has become quite lovable. Maybe the kind of kid she was before becoming a Claymore... probably going to have a tragic end. Really hope she doesn't go out doing something good though.

As for Rune... Unless Clare has another meeting with Riful somehow, I don't see why Clare would end up meeting Rune - short of AB Rune escaping Riful. At present Riful should be taking Rune to the site of whatever tool she intends to use to beat Priscilla.

And regarding Isley being absent. He seemed to be mainly concerned that Priscilla not get off-ed. He knows that at present, there is no power around that can kill Priscilla, so he's probably not that concerned and can get back to his life (I still think that Isley saw something/someone in Priscilla that made him care for her - but he may be mostly done withher now)

Over all, the manga seems a bit strange lately, with it not really being clear what's happening or what the current goal is... and that's all I really have to say after reading a new 31 page chapter in a monthly manga... :)

@Guido: I think it may be because they hunt ABs more often, have more battle experience against powerful beings, and thus reason for more confidence.... not that Irene, Galatea, Ophelia, Sophia, etc. were lacking in confidence.. so maybe it is as it has always been... only weak people doubt themselves and have to learn to live decently in society being decent people, while the powerful really don't.

[khryoleoz]

I don't think they're any more arrogant than the previous generation.

Galatea was vain, Ophelia mad, Miria, Deneve and Helen bullied Clare at first. I think the new generation is pretty cool once you get to know them. I just hung up with Rachel after a long chat, and girlfriend, the lesbo stories she had to tell...

Priscilla had always been cute. Likewise, Jeffrey Dahmer was once a cute child.

[Riful]

Over all, the manga seems a bit strange lately, with it not really being clear what's happening or what the current goal is... and that's all I really have to say after reading a new 31 page chapter in a monthly manga... :)

But that's what's interesting, isnt it? We'll know Riful's plan soon enough and it fits into the storyline considering that Riful has been searching for a Claymore able to read Yoki very well for a long time now.

And she is maybe getting impatient, because really ... the way she attacked Renee was completely different from how she did play with Clare and Galatea (never really intending to kill them and letting them get away in the end) and also back when she attacked Audrey and Rachel, when she gave them space to move.

She might be annoyed because last time Clare & Co messed up her plans, because she played with her prey before ... now she doesn't play but captures Renee right away.

[PureYoki]

Yes it is correct like this ^^ So her name is supposed to be pronounced the French way (like Beyoncé f.ex.) and not English as Reniiii ^^

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I'll use "Renee". :)

[KillerYomaFromSpace]

so nice to see Riful finally making her move, now she is on the motherfucker

[PureYoki]

I don't understand why Priscilla is quickly approaching her limit. For heaven's sake, it has been seven years. If you can keep it up that long, you have probably acquired immunity. :D And isn't it a huge coincidence that she is reaching her limit when G7 decided to take action?

Riful is very skilled at concealing her yoki so it's not Renee's fault to get caught. Since Isley-Priscilla alliance is broken, I wonder who Riful's next target will be. Riful is hunting claymores one by one, so isn't it time to send Alicia after her? Alicia has to prove her worth, right? :D

[hell88]

As usual another chapter ends in a cliffehanger.... I HATE CLIFFEHANGERS!:frustrated:

[yezhanquan]

As usual another chapter ends in a cliffehanger.... I HATE CLIFFEHANGERS!:frustrated:

Chill. Claymore chaps almost always end like this.

[Cyclone]

Yes it is correct like this ^^ So her name is supposed to be pronounced the French way (like Beyoncé f.ex.) and not English as Reniiii ^^

I don't know how much English you get to hear in West Germany, but I have never heard anyone here pronounce Renee as Reniiii.
In English, it's "re" and in the 're' from 'rent' and "nee" as in 'neigh'/'nay'.

I.e. I insist that English->Japanese it would be レネイ either レネー.
Dunno about French.

Your example with Rubel: ルヴル (RU-VU-RU)
Let's say it is Louvre.
The 'e' in English is silent, just like the trailing 'u' in 'vu' and 'ru' can be in japanese. So that one would, in a twisted sort of way (via LU-V-R), be considered correct. Renee is another story though.
It's true that they basterdized Rene Descartes as RUNE DEKARUTO, but pronouciation wise it makes no sense.

Although we transliterate ルネ as RUNE/LUNE, since they resemble English words, people often mispronounce them (as 'roon/loon'). It should be 'ru-ne' (ru/lu as in "the ru- from rune"/"loo", ne as in "ney"). But that's upto the the individual readers I guess.

Transliteration Rune/Lune - or the french interpretation Reneé - your choice guys. Personally I hate writing the accent so I think I'll stick with Lune/Rune. Doesn't look like it will matter much since this is probably the last time we see her as a Claymore.

Is that you Cyclone? lol

Innocent of all charges.
This is why profiling alone isn't enough to convict :p

If we would be talking about strong youma then yes, it would be rubbish and sharing such information with everyone would be stupid, but Priscilla isn't "strong youma". She's the most powerful being on the island so I think such detail has more significance than Galatea's cloud preference. After what Miria said, Galatea saying: "Yeah, let's attack MiB and everything will sort by itself, whatever that there's being far stronger than Alicia and Beth, it certainly wouldn't attack us. Heck, why am I even saying it, let's kill those bastards, some über powerful AB is irrelevant to our case" with sarcastic tone would be more probable.
If it was only strong youma she sensed I doubt Galatea would leave it alone, rather attacked it. After all even the strongest youma was no match to her, she could kill it with a fork or bare hands even and no one would notice because of her speed. If Raki could do it using sword, she could do it with her tongue ;). So I assume either she didn't sense her or sensed AB which seemed weaker than Agatha on restraint (she said herself she kept low profile and was on a diet) and didn't bother to do anything. Either way it shows how good Priscilla had to be at suppressing youki.

About Riful getting better at suppressing youki, it certainly is a possibility but it's strange she wasn't that good before. She had so much time to fully develop this skill and conveniently she managed to do so now.
What bothers me is that Raki started travelling with Priscilla "many years ago" (according to shrimpy's translation) meaning it must have been not long after we've seen him last. So from the start Raki assumed that she was harmless awakened being even though he didn't know her that much. Even if he knew about her true identity only after he started to travel with her alone, it would be bold statement that he didn't see her eating guts, because he wasn't with Priscilla at all times then. It seems anime wasn't that far away from truth after all.

Think about this logically.
Current numbers 3-5 suck. Painfully so.
So... Miss No. 6... There is an old expression - among the blind, a one eyed man is king.

Our Goddess Galatea detected Riful when Clare did not, from outside. This girl, while she does clue in a lot faster than Audrey or Rachel, has Ruful and Pricilla on her by the time she notices. She may be better than the average Claymore, but I wouldn't even put her at Miria level, much less a Tabitha, and definitely not post blindness Galatea's. Best we can say for Rune is that she's good enough for Riful's purposes (she passes). There is no way Galatea would not notice Pricilla from miles away.

So why didn't she say anything? Simple - what's there to say?

Galatea: "About a year ago a really powerful AB came and went"
Miria: "Who was it?"
Galatea: "Dunno - didn't want to get near it"
Clare: "Where did it go?"
Galatea: "Dunno - wasn't dumb enough to follow it"
Helen: "What it it want?"
Galatea: "No idea - just came and left shortly afterwards"
Deneve: "So what are we supposed to do about it?"
Galatea: "Nothing - just FYI"
Yuma: "So why are you telling us this?"
Galatea: "No reason"

... yeah ... great way to introduce yourself to the team.

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(Galatea's tongue - I could go for death like that...)

[yezhanquan]

Cyclone, you might want to consolidate your posts together.

[Cyclone]

Allow me to gloat along with Chiba. After pitching a thought (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1641395#post1641395) about small Priscilla, backed up by montages from images of the manga, among others, and yet being told that it was impossible, that she was taller, that it made no sense, etc, it's nice to see I was right after all.

Ahem! You claimed she was the same size.
She had shrunk from not eating.
So all those photo montages were wrong and I can gloat too becuase I too said "it's not Pricilla as we've come to know her".

Ah well - congrats to you guys for guessing correctly.

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

Think about this logically.
Current numbers 3-5 suck. Painfully so.
So... Miss No. 6... There is an old expression - among the blind, a one eyed man is king.

Our Goddess Galatea detected Riful when Clare did not, from outside. This girl, while she does clue in a lot faster than Audrey or Rachel, has Ruful and Pricilla on her by the time she notices. She may be better than the average Claymore, but I wouldn't even put her at Miria level, much less a Tabitha, and definitely not post blindness Galatea's. Best we can say for Rune is that she's good enough for Riful's purposes (she passes). There is no way Galatea would not notice Pricilla from miles away.

So why didn't she say anything? Simple - what's there to say?

Galatea: "About a year ago a really powerful AB came and went"
Miria: "Who was it?"
Galatea: "Dunno - didn't want to get near it"
Clare: "Where did it go?"
Galatea: "Dunno - wasn't dumb enough to follow it"
Helen: "What it it want?"
Galatea: "No idea - just came and left shortly afterwards"
Deneve: "So what are we supposed to do about it?"
Galatea: "Nothing - just FYI"
Yuma: "So why are you telling us this?"
Galatea: "No reason"

... yeah ... great way to introduce yourself to the team.

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(Galatea's tongue - I could go for death like that...)
Ya maybe they just haven't got around to that part yet. Though I got to say things would be alot easyer if evrybody knew what was going on. That is whats so fustrating. We know about the big picture (sort off) but then there is so much in terms of events and motivations for characters that everybody just doesn't know. Miria needs to tell everybody her info. Clare needs to tell everybody more about Priscilla because its not just about her anymore. We need to find out about what Galatea knows in terms of the ORG. and the other newer Claymores need to get with the big picture. Gosh I can't wait for everything to start coming together. :D

[yezhanquan]

Ya maybe they just haven't got around to that part yet. Though I got to say things would be alot easyer if evrybody knew what was going on. That is whats so fustrating. We know about the big picture (sort off) but then there is so much in terms of events and motivations for characters that everybody just doesn't know. Miria needs to tell everybody her info. Clare needs to tell everybody more about Priscilla because its not just about her anymore. We need to find out about what Galatea knows in terms of the ORG. and the other newer Claymores need to get with the big picture. Gosh I can't wait for everything to start coming together. :D

That was what I've been waiting since the timeskip, for all the pieces to come together.

[Riful]

I don't know how much English you get to hear in West Germany, but I have never heard anyone here pronounce Renee as Reniiii.
In English, it's "re" and in the 're' from 'rent' and "nee" as in 'neigh'/'nay'.

Suppose it depends on the person, but then it's even better because you don't need to put the accent and the pronunciation stays the same =)
I just added that because the Katakana PureYoki found was "Renii" for Renee ... and that has to be an English pronunciation or maybe his translator's mistake. Indeed I have never seen the spelling "Renii" so far.
But compare how Chloe turns into "Klo-ee" in English while Chloé is "Klo-ey" or Aimée turning into "Amy", so I bet that there are people that pronouce Renee as Renii ;)

Else Renee or Renée is the same with or without accent.

I.e. I insist that English->Japanese it would be レネイ either レネー

Yes, well, the Japanese chose レネ "Rene" for the English pronunciation. I don't always agree with their spellings either ^^ There are very few examples of レネイ also, but レネ is by far the most frequent. (They don't seem to render the English pronunciation of "é"as "ay", Beyoncé is also ビヨンセ and not ビヨンセイ)

It's true that they basterdized Rene Descartes as RUNE DEKARUTO, but pronouciation wise it makes no sense.

It does make sense in a way, because the French "e" is silent (or not sure how to describe it) as well (different from "é"). So French "e", as in René, is a sound that does not exist in Japanese and "u" is as close as they can get to it, while "é" stays as "e" ... and that gives you Rune.

[chibamonster]

I think Galatea not mentioning sensing Priscilla is fine and fits with the story. Priscilla's only real ability she had as a claymore was suppressing her youki. That and being more powerful than everyone. We know Riful can disguise herself to the extent it is scary, and it seems Priscilla has gone even beyond that. Priscilla might even be cloaked at this point. IF that is the case then there is no way a casual glance would have detected her from Galatea. Galatea is awesome at sensing, but even she cannot sense cloaked claymores... yet.

And on a different tenant of the same theme (one that slightly disagrees with my above post) even if Galatea did sense her, Priscilla was not eating anyone in Rabona, so no way Galatea would have gone in after her especially knowing her power. Galatea has such a long youki sense it would be silly to mention everything she has sensed. From the organizations HQ she sensed Isley and Luciella fighting in the south. So either way, whether Galatea did sense Priscilla or didn't, it makes sense to me that she has not mentioned it. If she did sense Priscilla then it might come up in future issues, like the issue about the sword being unbreakable.

I don't think the sensing Riful comparison is a fair benchmark for Renee as we do not know when Galatea sensed Riful. While I certainly think Galatea is better than Renee I do not think that means she is sucky. That would be like comparing characters fighting power to Teresa. The ghosts are strong, Teresa was stronger than all of them combined * ( I hold to that statement). Not quite fair. Also how Galatea and Renee met Riful were very different situations. Riful was being leasurely and polite when she met Galatea. Riful was hunting Renee down. I just think all this new generation character = teh sux is silly as many of them are getting stuck against Riful.

[mosmos]

Why is it that this current generation (post 7-year time skip) of Claymores are all cocky and arrogant?

Gosh, they're too full of themselves.

.. I think Galetea was pretty arrogant too .. but she was the eye .

And speaking or arrogance ... Teresa's indifferent attitude is unmatched ...but she was no.1

.

[yezhanquan]

I think what gets on my nerves about the new gen is their arrogance. As Riful puts it, "No respect for the elders."

Even the most prideful of Clare's gen (Galatea) knew when to cut the act.

[Cyclone]

Cyclone, you might want to consolidate your posts together.

Then again, I might not... ;)

[yezhanquan]

Then again, I might not... ;)

.....

*Returns to listening Mosaic Kakera*

[mosmos]

When Raki, Prisc and Clare meets...
I cannot even imagine what is going to happen.


The plot is twisted.
Clare's purpose of life : Avenge Teresa = Kill Prisc
Raki' purpose of life : Find Clare and be with her or get eaten by prisc
Prisc's purpose of life : Be Raki's bitch and protect him

Solution: Kill Raki...

[Ryuken]

I think what gets on my nerves about the new gen is their arrogance. As Riful puts it, "No respect for the elders."

Even the most prideful of Clare's gen (Galatea) knew when to cut the act.

Very true @yezhanquan. I think this was the main reason why Renee got caught. She was arrogant and too over confident in her ability to realize that she was being followed.:)

[chibamonster]

I wonder how many targeted claymores could escape Riful once she started chasing them. I think Renee is fast. I think Riful is much much faster. Isley was as fast as Rigald and 10x his size and power. Riful is able to almost teleport with her tenti-copter technique. And can you guys imagine being a human and seeing Riful sprint by, potato sack blowing in the wind, and then launch up the side of a mountain?

And I do not think the ghosts got away because they were faster. I think they got away because Riful could not find them. Yay for the cloak & youki pills.

[Cyclone]

I don't think the sensing Riful comparison is a fair benchmark for Renee as we do not know when Galatea sensed Riful. While I certainly think Galatea is better than Renee I do not think that means she is sucky. That would be like comparing characters fighting power to Teresa. The ghosts are strong, Teresa was stronger than all of them combined * ( I hold to that statement). Not quite fair. Also how Galatea and Renee met Riful were very different situations. Riful was being leasurely and polite when she met Galatea. Riful was hunting Renee down. I just think all this new generation character = teh sux is silly as many of them are getting stuck against Riful.

Well the Teresa thing is obvious - we're both proud card-carrying members of Teresa's Army afterall.

One of the first things out of Galatea's mouth in the witches maw upon entrance was: "not this one, there's another one down stairs [that's even worse than Duff]"

Granted, everyone met Riful under different circumstances, but in the Ghost's encounter with Riful, only Yuma was confirmed suckered, Tabitha and the Fab4 were not.
I don't even mean to Imply that Rune is bad at sensing - she clearly is not, but I don't think she's all that awesome at it. She told Pricilla to "scram before you get hurt", before realizing who she was talking to. I cannot help but think that Galatea, Tabitha, Clare or even Miria would not make such a horrible blunder.

Likewise, also remember that when Clare declared she was strong enough to run away, Riful did get serious - and Clare got away regardless. I just think an eye should have noticed earlier (for any other Claymore I can excuse it, but not for an eye).

When Raki, Prisc and Clare meets...
I cannot even imagine what is going to happen.


The plot is twisted.
Clare's purpose of life : Avenge Teresa = Kill Prisc
Raki' purpose of life : Find Clare and be with her or get eaten by prisc
Prisc's purpose of life : Be Raki's bitch and protect him

Solution: Kill Raki...

LOL! Amen.
Let the cat-fight between the survivors commence then!

[Vinak]

When Raki, Prisc and Clare meets...
I cannot even imagine what is going to happen.


The plot is twisted.
Clare's purpose of life : Avenge Teresa = Kill Prisc
Raki' purpose of life : Find Clare and be with her or get eaten by prisc
Prisc's purpose of life : Be Raki's bitch and protect him

Solution: Kill Raki...

HA!
best idea ever.

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trick Cyclone needs to learn...breaking up your post
instead of double, triple or even quadruple posting....use the edit button like everybody else.
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As for Lune. I don't see why people are accusing her of being arrogant, she was talking to a human after all.
Priscilla specializes in suppression and not even Galatea can detect cloaked people.
Lune had no idea who was following her or for what reason. She is the eye after all so its safe for her to assume she could get away from any average AB well before they notice her. her only mistake was being unable to evade Riful.

[Cyclone]

Vinak: Like

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Vinak: this?

[Methuselah]

...No i think this has something more to do than "being with Clare...." Expect another epic plot twist.

[kissthestick]

anyone else love Rune's hair platts? :D

[Riful]

I love Renee's hair, really makes her stand out. But I just remembered, on the manga covers under the envelope you can see differently styled pictures of the Claymores, i.e. Teresa drawn in a very realistic way or with original hair color. Isn't there one that looked like Renee judging from the hair style? Or maybe that was Ophelia with open and black hair ... I don't remember and I don't have my mangas to check >.<

[dee32]

So Rune has highten yoki sensing and enhanced senses. So if Rune couldn't sense Ritful's yoki why couldn't she smell her. Does Ritful look more like a teenager than a child now?

[mosmos]

anyone else love Rune's hair platts? :D


It's unique. I wonder how her hair looks when she awaken.. probably the same..

Her name is Renee, Rune or Lune ?
(or Brenda from scary movie3)

[mosmos]

So Rune has highten yoki sensing and enhanced senses. So if Rune couldn't sense Ritful's yoki why couldn't she smell her. Does Ritful look more like a teenager than a child now?

Yes, i think Ritful is on diet too .. just like prisc...

[NobodyMan]

Heh, if Raki's going to die (which I hope he doesn't), I hope it would be an epic death, one that would please both the Raki lovers and the Raki haters. :D But alas, this is Claymore, where anyone can die at the drop of a hat. :(

And yeah, Riful does look a little different than before, can't put my finger on it though. :confused: But she looks cooler, that's for sure.

[yezhanquan]

Well, it IS the first time we see her in her human look after the timeskip.

[Cyclone]

It's unique. I wonder how her hair looks when she awaken.. probably the same..

Her name is Renee, Rune or Lune ?
(or Brenda from scary movie3)

Her name is ルネ - RU/LU(ル) NE(ネ)
It's written phonetically - so what you see is what you get (l and r are the same letter in japanese - hence rune/lune). No hidden meanings or other clues.

Riful pointed out that Rune/Lune can be a weird Japanese way they can choose to spell Rene (after le French pronounciation).

So pick your favorite, they're all equivalent.

[Riful]

Her name is Renee, Rune or Lune ?
(or Brenda from scary movie3)

Just check some pages before (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1699981#post1699981). it has been discussed just before :)

[Cyclone]

And yeah, Riful does look a little different than before, can't put my finger on it though. :confused: But she looks cooler, that's for sure.

She looks angry and mean - not the sweet loli she usually tries to be.
I think her face might be drawn a shade longer and less round here making her look a bit older too.

[mosmos]

Her name is ルネ - RU/LU(ル) NE(ネ)
It's written phonetically - so what you see is what you get (l and r are the same letter in japanese - hence rune/lune). No hidden meanings or other clues.

Riful pointed out that Rune/Lune can be a weird Japanese way they can choose to spell Rene (after le French pronounciation).

So pick your favorite, they're all equivalent.

Ok. Thank you.

[Enara]

Let's call her Lune for now until the real trans. chapter 81 comes out.

that what we we've ben calling her so far

Riful's hair was longer.

[zato_1one]

About Riful getting better at suppressing youki, it certainly is a possibility but it's strange she wasn't that good before. She had so much time to fully develop this skill and conveniently she managed to do so now.
What bothers me is that Raki started travelling with Priscilla "many years ago" (according to shrimpy's translation) meaning it must have been not long after we've seen him last. So from the start Raki assumed that she was harmless awakened being even though he didn't know her that much. Even if he knew about her true identity only after he started to travel with her alone, it would be bold statement that he didn't see her eating guts, because he wasn't with Priscilla at all times then. It seems anime wasn't that far away from truth after all.

I think you can't say that Riful wasn't that good before when she could make a fool out of most Claymore by hiding her power. Even Alicia could sense only her outer layer too. Vol09 Chapter49 page124. And that was after Riful had transformed. It no doubt would be harder to sense her when she was in her human form. But just like I said the problem is that Rune is the Eye. She should do better than other Claymore. But at least Riful compliments her so she may be really good at some points.

I think Raki knows that Prissy eat human's gut. Some translations from Shrimpy.

-I started traveling with this little girl many years ago
-She hasn't eaten a single thing since then

It means Prissy just stop eating gut when they traveled together. And Raki knew that. Now I can imagine when Raki decided to leave her. Prissy must try to cling onto him. Start crying. Make innocent face. And promise him "I won't eat anymore please stay with me, okay?" Try looking at page 24 of this chapter and imagine if you were Raki. Can you break a girl's heart? :eyespin:

About the idea that Raki will come to rescue Rune. I also think that but I think it won't happen because it means Prissy must tell Raki. And I find that she has no reason to tell him. Even if it happens, to think that Raki can help Rune from Riful is truly ridiculous. <_<

[chibamonster]

Renee's name is spelled the same way as René Descartes in Katakana. So it probably is Renee that is the closest to an actual name. The NE to her name is not silent and so it sounds more like "Ru-Neigh" or "Ru-Nay" Something close to that. But it is all preference. In just straight romanji it would be written as Lune or Rune, so it is not wrong. But like Youma = Yoma in the english translation it really doesn't matter that much :D. I am starting to like the name Renee.

[mosmos]

Renee's name is spelled the same way as René Descartes in Katakana. So it probably is Renee that is the closest to an actual name. The NE to her name is not silent and so it sounds more like "Ru-Neigh" or "Ru-Nay" Something close to that. But it is all preference. In just straight romanji it would be written as Lune or Rune, so it is not wrong. But like Youma = Yoma in the english translation it really doesn't matter that much :D. I am starting to like the name Renee.

I prefer Renee too..

[Riful]

Let's call her Lune for now until the real trans. chapter 81 comes out.

that what we we've ben calling her so far

There is no need to wait for a "real" scanlation, since her name was mentioned quite a bit earlier and Viz called her Renee. So her official name is Renee :)

[chibamonster]

Anyone think Raki wanting to bring Priscilla to Clare has anything to do with the fact that he saw Clare pass her limit and retain humanity? He doesn't know about Jean or Clare's limb awakening, but he has met AB's and knows Clare almost became one but was able to pull back, which should be impossible. That or he just wants to take care of Priscilla and find Clare and the two goals have little to do with each other.

[clarakiss~]

for some reason i like the name 'rune' better. ^^;

[Riful]

But ... Rune is not a name :p
Anyway, as chibimonster said, it's up to personal preference, but it is also pretty obvious that her name is supposed to be "Renee". Just like Irene's name is obviously Irene and still people call her differently, like Ilena ... right chibi ;) It's not a big deal really.

[NobodyMan]

Anyone think Raki wanting to bring Priscilla to Clare has anything to do with the fact that he saw Clare pass her limit and retain humanity? He doesn't know about Jean or Clare's limb awakening, but he has met AB's and knows Clare almost became one but was able to pull back, which should be impossible. That or he just wants to take care of Priscilla and find Clare and the two goals have little to do with each other. I think that is possible as well. He may want Clare to try and save priscilla before she snaps. Another possibility is that when Priscilla goes over her limit, he may want to be with Clare so she can help him stop Priscilla's rampage, even if it means they have to kill her, which Clare will do gladly.

[Sunater]

OMG first "Afro" claymore ever.. hahahaa

And she met 2 Dwellers of The Deep at one day?
Thats not everyday thing.. I like her awesomeness..

Raki looks scary calm, like he has hidden plans about the situation that most likely would happen later.. And my has he grown up....

[Xhokhusmak]

Galatea and Rune are about the same...

They both sensed Riful to be somebody that's really strong, but not Abyssal strong, until it was too late. Riful's yoki hiding has been pretty consistent with most of the claymores, including when she was with #3 and #5.

Teresa wasn't able to detect Priscilla. What makes you think that Galatea or Rune could?

Now I hope Riful rapefully assimilates Rune as an ally, but not awaken her, so she'll all be strong and she can get on what she was planning to do already and move on with the story and be more cool and make me love her way more since she'll have a hawt Claymore minion. :love:

[evil_kenshin]

OMG first "Afro" claymore ever.. hahahaa

And she met 2 Dwellers of The Deep at one day?
Thats not everyday thing.. I like her awesomeness..

Raki looks scary calm, like he has hidden plans about the situation that most likely would happen later.. And my has he grown up....

Priscilla isn't an abysal one , she's stronger than it

[Stream]

Then again, I might not... ;)

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7743/dontspampost1gv.png

Also, I agree with the Renée spelling. From how I would pronounce ルネ, Renée is closer than how I would pronounce Rune or Lune.

[Sunater]

Priscilla isn't an abysal one , she's stronger than it

Not that far stronger.. But yes i guess..

[FlareKnight]

Galatea and Rune are about the same...

They both sensed Riful to be somebody that's really strong, but not Abyssal strong, until it was too late. Riful's yoki hiding has been pretty consistent with most of the claymores, including when she was with #3 and #5.

Teresa wasn't able to detect Priscilla. What makes you think that Galatea or Rune could?

Now I hope Riful rapefully assimilates Rune as an ally, but not awaken her, so she'll all be strong and she can get on what she was planning to do already and move on with the story and be more cool and make me love her way more since she'll have a hawt Claymore minion. :love:Wait do we have any reason to believe Galatea didn't know what she was walking into when going after Clare in that cave? I think she knew that it was an Abyssal. Planned to grab Clare and head out, but sadly things didn't turn out exactly like that.

Lune is certainly above the average in terms of sensing. Was able to pick up Riful's presence. Though clearly didn't know the kind of opponent that she had on her trail. Knew it was an awakened one, but probably only thought it was average. Wouldn't say she is at the same level of Galatea, but apparently good enough for Riful's purposes.

Anyways Raki certainly has picked up confidence. Calming the village down for a time with some logic about the situation. After all no one likes being called a youma :heh:. Tossing the no harming humans rule at her like that. Still she paid for even touching the guy with the scare of her life. Well until a short period later when Riful caught her.

[zato_1one]

Now that I've checked back the witch's maw arc. It seems I really underestimated Riful. It was true that Galatea could sense Riful when she sat in her basement. But both Galatea and Clare couldn't even notice when Riful came out and sat behind their back. It showed how fast Riful was when she got serious.

[KillerYomaFromSpace]

I'm liking the new generarion of warriors less and less with evey new character that appears, is the organization making them that way on purpose?

the question now is: What is Isley up to now that he is not with Priscila? Did he just let her go?

[Cyclone]

There is no need to wait for a "real" scanlation, since her name was mentioned quite a bit earlier and Viz called her Renee. So her official name is Renee :)

But ... Rune is not a name :p
Anyway, as chibimonster said, it's up to personal preference, but it is also pretty obvious that her name is supposed to be "Renee". Just like Irene's name is obviously Irene and still people call her differently, like Ilena ... right chibi ;) It's not a big deal really.

Give it a rest and let people do as they want.

As for "real" and "official" versions - please don't start. The Japanese language is not something that you get to own and define by buying the rights the rights to release a manga. I'm still bitter about how how Viz botched Galatea's best lines in the Witches Maw - the needlessly poor translations in those chapters ruined many of my favorite sections (Yes, I read them all 3 version - japanese, fan scanlation and Viz switching between them).

You yourself said earlier that レネ(rene) [not ルネ(rune)] is the more common way of transcribing Renee. Given that, your stubborn insistance that everyone adopt your way is getting a bit annoying.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what she's called - this is going to be one of the last times we get to see her, so why make this fuss about it?

Or should I start pointing out that "Riful is not a name!" and start calling you Riffle? Name or not, Rune/Lune is what it says.

[Flar]

Heh, if Raki's going to die (which I hope he doesn't), I hope it would be an epic death, one that would please both the Raki lovers and the Raki haters. :D But alas, this is Claymore, where anyone can die at the drop of a hat.where red shirts (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedShirt), support characters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MauveShirt) and mentor archetype (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mentors) can die at the drop of a hat, you mean, I think. Clare, Raki and Priscilla are totally safe (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SortingAlgorithmOfMortality) until the very end, and even then I'm not sure Yagi would go for a downer ending (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DownerEnding), though with the time gap, he shifted from the roaring rampage of revenge (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge) plot prompted by Teresa's death (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouKilledMyFather) to something a bit more (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PhlebotinumRebel) complex (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TurnedAgainstTheirMasters)

[etothex]

Not that far stronger.. But yes i guess..
you a diehard riful fan, or just a priscilla hater? :heh: Riful said when that Priscilla was much stronger than she was, when they encountered each other after the Isley/Luciella battle (chapter 71)

Galatea and Rune are about the same...

They both sensed Riful to be somebody that's really strong, but not Abyssal strong, until it was too late. Riful's yoki hiding has been pretty consistent with most of the claymores, including when she was with #3 and #5.


Um not really. :heh: Renee had sensed Dauf and was running from him, and didn't sense Riful til the last second before Riful attacked. Not clear if she had time to register Riful's true youki. Galatea knew Riful was in the cave from the beginning, and chided Clare because Clare was already fighting a near impossible battle with Dauf, yet there was a far stronger opponent after that to deal with.

[Sunater]

you a diehard riful fan, or just a priscilla hater? :heh: Riful said when that Priscilla was much stronger than she was, when they encountered each other after the Isley/Luciella battle (chapter 71)

Yes I`m am a Riful fan, who isn`t..lol, If she was that strong Riful wouldn`t go creating a simple team to defeat her, she would go off creating an army.
Priscilla is strong but the gap between the other dwellers of the deep and her are not very far from each other..

[Gooral]

Think about this logically.
Current numbers 3-5 suck. Painfully so.
So... Miss No. 6... There is an old expression - among the blind, a one eyed man is king.
(...)
Frankly I don't see how this relates to post You quoted...

(...) So why didn't she say anything? Simple - what's there to say? (...)
I'll be stubborn and disagree with You :P.
So she should start talking only when she had adequate amount of information and if she could answer any question relating to this matter? It's not logical to me. They're about to go to war, if she knew about the most powerful being there is, it wouldn't be wise to hide it, unless it was common knowlegde there's sth stronger than Riful and Isley combined together. But I don't think that besides Isley, Clare and Riful there are others aware of that. So while Miria could take into equation Riful and Isley, she wouldn't know about Priscilla's real strength. By attacking the org (which could be wiped out by Isley and Priscilla alone thus she wouldn't have to move a finger, which could convince Miria to wait with the attack) she would get rid of obstacle for them and after unavoidable casualties they would become vulnerable.
Let's say that nation A wants to attack neighbouring nation B. The leader of nation A has everything prepared for the offensive except he doesn't know that nation C which is a neighbour to state A and B has extremely powerful weapon at hand. Country's A counsellor who recently came back to the country has heard rumours about this but because he didn't have any evidence, just some gossips and because everything was prepared for attack for years, he didn't mention it. After all it was a bad time, he has just arrived, the strategic plan was being already shown and rumours would only slow everything down and bring unnecessary questions.
In other words if Galatea knew about true nature of a girl Raki brought to Rabona she would probably tell it then. Would there be more appropriate time for that? Galatea was sceptical to Miria's idea from the start so why would she neglect information that might be a serious contraindication to attack organization. At least she should let Miria know about this so she wouldn't have any regrets later.

[Cyclone]

Frankly I don't see how this relates to post You quoted...

You pointed out Rune and cited it as evidence that Galatea could not sense Pricilla. Frankly, I don't have enough faith in Lune's abilities to jump to that conclusion myself.

I'll be stubborn and disagree with You :P.
So she should start talking only when she had adequate amount of information and if she could answer any question relating to this matter? It's not logical to me. They're about to go to war, if she knew about the most powerful being there is, it wouldn't be wise to hide it, unless it was common knowlegde there's sth stronger than Riful and Isley combined together. But I don't think that besides Isley, Clare and Riful there are others aware of that. So while Miria could take into equation Riful and Isley, she wouldn't know about Priscilla's real strength. By attacking the org (which could be wiped out by Isley and Priscilla alone thus she wouldn't have to move a finger, which could convince Miria to wait with the attack) she would get rid of obstacle for them and after unavoidable casualties they would become vulnerable.
Let's say that nation A wants to attack neighbouring nation B. The leader of nation A has everything prepared for the offensive except he doesn't know that nation C which is a neighbour to state A and B has extremely powerful weapon at hand. Country's A counsellor who recently came back to the country has heard rumours about this but because he didn't have any evidence, just some gossips and because everything was prepared for attack for years, he didn't mention it. After all it was a bad time, he has just arrived, the strategic plan was being already shown and rumours would only slow everything down and bring unnecessary questions.
In other words if Galatea knew about true nature of a girl Raki brought to Rabona she would probably tell it then. Would there be more appropriate time for that? Galatea was sceptical to Miria's idea from the start so why would she neglect information that might be a serious contraindication to attack organization. At least she should let Miria know about this so she wouldn't have any regrets later.

You said it yourself. A war against the Organization - not against Isley or other ABs. Fighting ABs were not even touched on in that conversation. Personally, if I was in Galatea's shoes, I wouldn't have mentioned it *AT THAT TIME* either.

Also from a narrative point of view, getting the topic of some random super strong AB existing a year ago (and having no detials) into a conversation which reveals the Org secrets, would be very difficult to pull off.

Believe what you want though

[Nvis]

I'm actually worried for Raki.
He has a ticking time bomb following him around....

And Riful cliffhanger, damn!!!!!
I'm glad she found another Claymore.

Galatea & Clare are spared! :bow:

[etothex]

Yes I`m am a Riful fan, who isn`t..lol, If she was that strong Riful wouldn`t go creating a simple team to defeat her, she would go off creating an army.
Priscilla is strong but the gap between the other dwellers of the deep and her are not very far from each other..

The army is not to fight Priscilla. We've seen Riful eradicate an army of ABs, and Beth/Alicia do the same. They won't do crap against Priscilla.

If Priscilla was only a little stronger, would Riful just forfeit the fight like she did? Riful + Dauf, should have been able to do damage and put up a fight. Priscilla is definitely far enough stronger that Riful + Dauf wouldn't have touched her.

Riful had already mentioned that the only viable option to fight Priscilla is (a) join up with Luciella, or (b) join up with Org, specifically she would require the help of Beth and Alicia likely. B is however out of the spectrum for her. The secret thing she found, whatever it is, which she needs a good youki-sensor for, is her path to being able to defeat Priscilla.

On this whole Did Galatea sense Priscilla and if so why didn't she mention it question; I kinda feel Galatea wouldn't care about Priscilla much cuz Priscilla left and didn't have a guts buffet on the way out. Galatea's just out to take care of the city now after all.

[Nvis]

The On this whole Did Galatea sense Priscilla and if so why didn't she mention it question; I kinda feel Galatea wouldn't care about Priscilla much cuz Priscilla left and didn't have a guts buffet on the way out. Galatea's just out to take care of the city now after all.

I think Raki/Pris came a year or two earlier than Galatea's arrival to the city.
Galatea came 2 years ago(If i remember correctly), and Cid or whoever said they met Raki & little girl a few years ago.

[Blablabla]

And yeah, Riful does look a little different than before, can't put my finger on it though. :confused: But she looks cooler, that's for sure.

Yeah, she seems to have grown up... I dunno, she looks older (hotter?) than that cute loli she used to be. And Prisci... it's the opposite. What the hell is going on with those AB.

I trully hope that she will at last find an comrade she deserves.

[etothex]

I think Raki/Pris came a year or two earlier than Galatea's arrival to the city.
Galatea came 2 years ago(If i remember correctly), and Cid or whoever said they met Raki & little girl a few years ago.

bleh now you made me go check the script, which of course ended up with me reading the whole chapters over again :D

For Galatea, Cid says she appeared a few years ago, and for Raki, he says should be just a year ago now.

[Zsych]

I think it would have been more emotional if Riful had gotten Galatea, since people actually care about her. One chapter of bare introduction doesn't really work.

As for the Priscilla side... there would just be no satisfaction in her death the way things are going, and really she hasn't eaten anyone in long enough that her body is eating itself(at Claymore speed)... in pity, I would let her eat the guts of the recently dead :P
Of course, if she goes into monster mode now, things could be interesting since we are starting to get used to non-monster Priscilla.

I wonder if Clare's mastery of youki may not have somehow improved a little over the years(or at least her power). Maybe she did some meditation exercises... Just considering the idea of ABs being forcefully reverted to Claymore form at some point kinda like Jeane but without consent(although that really wouldn't be satisfying with Priscilla)... it would also be an interesting weapon to use against an evil AB.

[ThoHell]

Oh man, another bloody good chapter. I'm loving it, but the wait I'm hating! Story and plot really thicken and things are getting super interesting!

[chibamonster]

where red shirts (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedShirt), support characters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MauveShirt) and mentor archetype (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mentors) can die at the drop of a hat, you mean, I think. Clare, Raki and Priscilla are totally safe (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SortingAlgorithmOfMortality) until the very end, and even then I'm not sure Yagi would go for a downer ending (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DownerEnding), though with the time gap, he shifted from the roaring rampage of revenge (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge) plot prompted by Teresa's death (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouKilledMyFather) to something a bit more (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PhlebotinumRebel) complex (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TurnedAgainstTheirMasters)

@Flar: Lol! I loved looking through those TVTropes wiki pages :D. It is an insulting look at archetypes gone wrong. Or Stereotypes that have ripened and then spoiled in some cases. I will keep looking through the pages to enjoy more pieces of information that exist for storytelling. The funny thing is many of these named plot devices work very well in some cases while not well in others. Loads of fun. I especially liked the picture of skeletor kicking a dog.

I am very excited about Riful finally having a plan that has worked. The girl is smart and gossipy, but so far her plans have been foiled left and right. Nothing has worked out for her the entire manga so far. Now she has discovered a secret and for the first time it seems she will finally have the resources to manage it. Look at the mess Isley was able to cause when he discovered Priscilla. I think much darkness is coming.

Though I am really wondering if Riful knows about Raki and Priscilla's situation at all. It would be a huge slap in the face to have her meet up with Isley, secret ready and in hand only to find that Priscilla is gone and Isley has more tricks ready for her. And while the organization still has Alicia and Beth, Miria's recent comments make me think they are working on another project. Maybe even one that will complete their plans. But who knows...

[Zsych]

Well the org is probably always trying to create better weapons. Hmmm... I wonder if Raki with his nice smell might not have the potential to act as cat-nip for ABs somehow, or at least have potential along those lines :P

Also further on the Priscilla issue... I wonder if the whole towns she ate during her initial rampage were stored inside her somehow, so that she doesn't need to feed for quite a while. That might imply that there will be a rampage #2, although it may be that with respect to Priscilla's current state, returning to AB form would be something akin to her original awakening.. something she would not really choose to do, except through desperation.

[wtfftw]

OMG raki is so sick xP. he is actually an idiot who is funny and cool compared to what he used to be.

And damn i knew it was priscilla but to not eat and become smaller.

Does anyone have a theory on whether she will be come weaker cuz of that or that her hunger will get stronger and even more mad when she releases to youma form.

That nr 6 is so funy. It reallyw as a bad day for her to meet riful i mean damn xP talk about bad luck.

[Zsych]

I actually expect her to be as powerful as before but to not be able to maintain her awakened form for a long period of time without food. Luciella's situation after the fight with Isley implied that the maintaining of the fully awakened/battle form takes power and isn't really the natural form of an AB.

[tenken627]

And while the organization still has Alicia and Beth, Miria's recent comments make me think they are working on another project. Maybe even one that will complete their plans. But who knows...

I've been thinking about this too.

Who knows better about Alicia + Beth's weakness than the MiBs themselves?

That's why even though we as readers consider the Alicia/Beth project as a success, and the Organization considers them successful from a research standpoint, the MiBs do not consider them a success from a practical standpoint.

Or so Miria says.

Alicia + Beth for all intended purposes is almost a novelty, maybe even a failure from a strict point of view. This is war. The MiBs know that they are in a war.

Novelties and research are nice and fine. But as a true overpowering weapon, Alicia + Beth are not the answer and the MiBs know this.

They must be working on improving Alicia + Beth, or working on other things on the side. Maybe those crazy theories of Alicia + Beth fusing together could be possible?

[Zsych]

I'd say Alicia/Beth worked out fine 7 years ago. Its just that you have to make sure Beth doesn't get disturbed - or killed. Basically Alicia/Beth can't be sent in alone without support troops to protect Beth. Still, several of these twin models supported by claymores should be an okay weapon.. just not an awesome one. (kinda like regular soldiers having cannons with them)

[ThoHell]

@Flar: Lol! I loved looking through those TVTropes wiki pages :D. It is an insulting look at archetypes gone wrong. Or Stereotypes that have ripened and then spoiled in some cases. I will keep looking through the pages to enjoy more pieces of information that exist for storytelling. The funny thing is many of these named plot devices work very well in some cases while not well in others. Loads of fun. I especially liked the picture of skeletor kicking a dog.

I am very excited about Riful finally having a plan that has worked. The girl is smart and gossipy, but so far her plans have been foiled left and right. Nothing has worked out for her the entire manga so far. Now she has discovered a secret and for the first time it seems she will finally have the resources to manage it. Look at the mess Isley was able to cause when he discovered Priscilla. I think much darkness is coming.

Though I am really wondering if Riful knows about Raki and Priscilla's situation at all. It would be a huge slap in the face to have her meet up with Isley, secret ready and in hand only to find that Priscilla is gone and Isley has more tricks ready for her. And while the organization still has Alicia and Beth, Miria's recent comments make me think they are working on another project. Maybe even one that will complete their plans. But who knows...

I don't think Riful knows about Raki and Priscilla's current state and situation. She hardly knew of anything concern Priscilla until she met her face to face and on top of that Priscilla yoki is one in a kind, it's completely undetectable until she wants to make it known -- basically she's plenty enough strong without releasing....

[Riful]

Give it a rest and let people do as they want.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what she's called - this is going to be one of the last times we get to see her, so why make this fuss about it?

Sorry, but you're the one making a fuss now. You even quoted me saying "it is a matter of preference and really not a big deal" so I am certainly not insisting on anybody adopting "my" spelling (how could I anyway). I just explained why Renee is a pretty convincing choice, if people agree with those explanations or not is up to them. For me there is enough proof.

And also you understood what I said wrongly:

You yourself said earlier that レネ(rene) [not ルネ(rune)] is the more common way of transcribing Renee.

No. レネ Rene is the most common way of rendering the English pronunciation of Rene/e. The French pronunciation is always spelt as Rune ルネ (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AB%E3%83%8D). And because you said it made no sense, I explained why they spell it as they do in detail as well (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1701565#post1701565). (Rune is used for people from France and other French speaking countries, while Rene is used for people from Germany, English speaking countries etc. - because they pronounce the name differently. I suppose the French pronunciation might be the more well known in Japan, considering the name being pretty popular in French speaking areas and thanks to Rene Descartes.)

Or should I start pointing out that "Riful is not a name!" and start calling you Riffle? Name or not, Rune/Lune is what it says.

I even said in the other thread that I am still wondering about which name or meaning Yagi intended to use (if he did). And I didn't put a smiley behind in my previous post for nothing either. It was a joke.

Katakana spellings can be a mess, but it's not completely without a system either. But now I feel that you're misunderstanding what I explained on purpose or you simply don't like the name Renee and that's all xD

[PureYoki]

Well, here we go:

The ghosts are strong, Teresa was stronger than all of them combined

I thought so but after I saw the ghosts against Agatha, I'm confused. :confused:

Teresa dispatched a former #2 with releasing 10-29% of her yoki.

G7 dispatched a former #2 without releasing any yoki.

And I don't believe Rosemary is far stronger than Agatha because:

1) Rosemary was #1 after the org. lost many warriors due to Luciela's awakening. You see the new batch of claymores and how weak they are, compared to old claymores.

2) An AO is strong. Isley gave awakened Priscilla a run for their money. I bet Riful can eat Rosemary alive.

Priscilla isn't an abysal one , she's stronger than it

Am I the only one who thinks Priscilla the halfling is only a shadow of her former self?

It seems Yagi borrowed the Galactus concept of shrinkage when consuming energy. If Priscilla releases a considerable amount of yoki at this point, she'll deplete her remaining yoki reserves and probably die. The reason she survived so long is that she was spending little yoki and she had a huge reserve in the beginning. Priscilla should better stay calm before she starts feeding.

the question now is: What is Isley up to now that he is not with Priscila? Did he just let her go?

Nobody has a reasonable explanation for this blunder, i.e. letting Priscilla go.

If Priscilla was only a little stronger, would Riful just forfeit the fight like she did? Riful + Dauf, should have been able to do damage and put up a fight. Priscilla is definitely far enough stronger that Riful + Dauf wouldn't have touched her.

Riful had no way to know the real extent of Priscilla's power. (besides a fight of course :D) Isley implied only two AOs combined could take down Priscilla and Riful simply believed him. If I were Riful, I would take my chances, it was the opportunity of a lifetime.

[Riful]

Well, here we go:
It seems Yagi borrowed the Galactus concept of shrinkage when consuming energy. If Priscilla releases a considerable amount of yoki at this point, she'll deplete her remaining yoki reserves and probably die. The reason she survived so long is that she was spending little yoki and she had a huge reserve in the beginning. Priscilla should better stay calm before she starts feeding.

Maybe that helps her in hiding her Yoki as well. I think she didn't use any of it after meeting Raki, since she stopped eating and Raki asks her only to identify Yoma. Maybe she had to save him a few times, but killing a normal Yoma probably doesn't require her to release much Yoki either. So she might actually be surpressing her Yoki to an extreme extent, so much that it damages her body in order not to eat humas. Surpressing Yoki = surpressing her Yoma side = doesn't get the urge to eat .... and therefore she is really hard to detect for other Claymores now. Maybe ^^


Riful had no way to know the real extent of Priscilla's power. (besides a fight of course :D)

I think nobody knows the real extent of her powers yet. We only saw her fighting against Isley and she didn't seem dead serious back then, given how confused she was. Her "are you bullying Raki?" seemed more serious and dangerous :D

[Blablabla]

Hey... Riful actually saw Pri-chan turning Lucie into pieces... she knows how strong she are.

[chibamonster]

@Riful: I certainly know Katakana can be a mess. I had two gaijin friends with very simmilar last names, and sometimes we could get notes and letters intended for someone else because the Katakana was so confusing. Renee actually makes a bunch of sense for me, even though I like the name Lune more (pronounced Loon :D) Ru-ney sounds kind of funny and really a lot like how I would say Renee. If only this part of the show were animated with awesome voice actors. Not that it would really help, but I just want the show animated...

@PureYoki: Don't worry about it :D Teresa > ALL. That is just how it is. The only thing we know for sure about Rosemary's power is that she was weaker than Teresa. That is no comparison at all. I think the fact that Teresa lying about Rosemary not awakening has a big part to do with awknowledging rosemary's power while at the same time keeping Teresa's own power secret. But until we have more info it will stay in limbo.

As for Priscilla being only a shadow of what she is before I actually disagree a bit though it is just a personal preference as we do not know much yet. She is still powerful enough to make Renee wet herself. I do not think Yagi would introduce Priscilla as the most powerful AB in the world and never give her a chance to really shine, especially with her new redemption being so possible. She will fight again :D I think this is quite an interesting development for Prissy as a character, especially with her introduction as someone who "hates youma more than anyone." I mean she is not only avoiding the urge to eat humans, but she is helping Raki kill them. And it appears she will kill Raki's enemies. She is the cause of war that started between the AB's, the reason Teresa died, and many more horrible things. I do not think she will fade into oblivion.

Also I think it is very interesting that Raki feels she is close to her limit. Priscilla seems to do very little talking now. Though that might just be a permanent state for her and not something new. I think we will definitely find out where Isley is. Although I do not think he was willing to diet in the same way Priscilla was. There are still some more threads of the story that need to be woven together as new info comes in. Raphaela has to return and Isley has to be accounted for. These bits and pieces will probably be explained in the next few months as things really begin to heat up. With the new DoD's appearance in the story some older pieces of information can be tied up as newer ones surface.

And... it is about time for a massive fight. Claymore is almost all about fights. There is a fight of some type what feels like almost every chapter.

[PureYoki]

Don't worry about it :D Teresa > ALL. That is just how it is.

I hope so. :) I just realized G7's accomplishments started to eclipse Teresa's and I have a feeling that they'll take down Alicia. (not necessarily kill her though)

I do not think Yagi would introduce Priscilla as the most powerful AB in the world and never give her a chance to really shine.

Yes, it would be a pity. :( My only concern is her possibly weak state and it would be a setback if she restarted eating humans to regain her strength.

And... it is about time for a massive fight. Claymore is almost all about fights.

I also am looking forward to it. :) If only there was a small hint of a massive fight in the near future, a month for each chapter is too long. :)

[Taylor_Maclaurin]

I wonder if #6 is reserved for fastest claymores? Maybe Renee isn't that weak and numbers don't have the same value as pre Alicia time.

[Trax]

Looks like Riful was a little ticked off by her encounter with Clare & co, and has gone into serious mode. Too bad for Renee, but I'm really curious to find out what that thing is she found way back.

[kari-no-sugata]

Though a number of people have said that Riful has changed, I personally feel she's still the same - it's not her that's changed, it's her opponents (or rather, her evaluation of her opponents).

The first time we see Riful she is force-awakening just about every Claymore she comes across, in order to increase military strength. However, she's only interested in strong or potentially strong Claymores.

When we see her attack Audry and co, she is still hunting for good Claymores, but rather than pure strength her top priority is seeking a particular ability - good Youki sensing. Seems she would still like to increase her military might in general by finding strong Claymores though.

When setting the trap for Renee this chapter, her tactics are clearly different - she has created a setup specifically to test for Youki sensing ability. Since Renee reactions show good Youki sensing before any actual combat has started, there's no need for Riful to "play" with her - as Riful says, Renee had already "passed". (It's also possible that Riful suspected Renee had good Youki sensing before starting her attack)

So why the different tactics with Audry and co. Well, that's because they were in a group, making it hard to judge individual ability from afar. That's why Riful had to get in close and use her ham acting to test the individual ability of potential candidates. Her evaluation then was basically "that's all?", but only after she let them show their stuff for a while.

Hope that makes sense.

If Renee hadn't shown the reactions she did, Riful might have not have simply captured Renee - she might have played with her a bit, to see if she was strong enough in general to bother with.

[irvinethearcher]

Anyone think Raki wanting to bring Priscilla to Clare has anything to do with the fact that he saw Clare pass her limit and retain humanity? He doesn't know about Jean or Clare's limb awakening, but he has met AB's and knows Clare almost became one but was able to pull back, which should be impossible. That or he just wants to take care of Priscilla and find Clare and the two goals have little to do with each other.

It is perhaps because raki stated in the episode in which priscilla saw the diminishing lights, that he allways had to think about clare even if priscilla was totally different from her?
Somehow he knows that there is a connection between the two but it is only a foreshadowing.

[yezhanquan]

Clare and Priscilla, with Raki in the middle. Sounds good to me.

[Cyclone]

Katakana spellings can be a mess, but it's not completely without a system either. But now I feel that you're misunderstanding what I explained on purpose or you simply don't like the name Renee and that's all xD

Sorry - was in a bad mood last night (was tired) and I saw two more posts on an issue I thought was resolved, and it sort of annoyed me. Appologies.

As for my own thoughts...
I guess the reason I'm not a huge fan of Renee (though I'll accept it) is because, in essense, it's a double translation: Japanese->French->English. Since french and english share a latin based alphabet, it's not too apparent though. In this case, we have a situation where the Japanese->English does not match the French->Japanese->French->English version. So the dilema is what to use - the French version, which when changed again to English changes drastically from what is written, or just transcribe the Japanese and pawn it off as someone else's problem. Don't know if there is 'correct' way to handle this kind of translation issue (other than footnotes).

When transcribing names like Matilda (MACHIRUDA) (one of the cannon fodder in the north), you're going direct Japanese->English. That's why I'm fine with it.

Then again, maybe with all our bilingualism here in Canada, I've just grown allergic to French...

[Dreadz!]

Omg, have you seen that ? Dreadlocks! Yes, sir, claymore becomes even more interesting from now on!

I hope she wont die or be turtuned by Riful to awakening... she is just too hawt! And i like that personality aswell, impulsive as Helen.

I would say she could be rescued by G7(since all the main acting characters are in the south atm), and we will see some interesting and serious talking or fight between Riful and G7 (i'd prefer for it to be talking, since Riful is far from being stupid).

[Enara]

I think R/L une was a bit mean and stuck up in this chapter.

[Ryuken]

I think R/L une was a bit mean and stuck up in this chapter.

Dreadfully mean @Enara.

[Negativedark]

Has anyone else noted the huge bit of irony in the chapter? Raki is traveling with Priss because it is the kind of thing he learned from bieng with Claire. And Claire traveled with Raki because of her experiences with Teresea. That's just horribly Ironic.

[Flar]

@Flar: Lol! I loved looking through those TVTropes wiki pages :D. It is an insulting look at archetypes gone wrong. Or Stereotypes that have ripened and then spoiled in some cases. I will keep looking through the pages to enjoy more pieces of information that exist for storytelling. The funny thing is many of these named plot devices work very well in some cases while not well in others. Loads of fun. I especially liked the picture of skeletor kicking a dog. TVTropes is an awesome time waster, (or horrible time waster, depending on if you actually have time to waste).

Tropes are not bad in and of themselves, you cannot actually avoid tropes, not without creating something god-awful (http://dresdencodak.com/cartoons/dc_030.htm), or not at all in most cases, like, say, endings... No matter which ending you do, there is a trope for it, and why not since every story since the beginning of man has had one. Doesn't make "endings" bad.

I wasn't saying Claymore sucked when I invoked these tropes, too, though I was probably reacting a bit to the sycophantic praises about the supposed originality of its story, characters or setting.


@Negativedark: that's not irony (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony)

[tenken627]

If anyone has access to the raws and can translate a little bit, can you answer a question for me please?

During the part where Renee is fully aware of Priscilla, she says something like "how did I not notice her until now?" and "what is that thing that you have with you?".

Does it mention anywhere that Priscilla's yoki is different or strange somehow?

If Priscilla had AB yoki, I don't think Renee would have said "what is that thing that you have with you?". Wouldn't she say "why do you have an AB with you?"

Maybe Priscilla's yoki has changed from an AB yoki to something else?

If you could translate that part for me, that would be great.

Thank you.

[Cyclone]

If anyone has access to the raws and can translate a little bit, can you answer a question for me please?

During the part where Renee is fully aware of Priscilla, she says something like "how did I not notice her until now?" and "what is that thing that you have with you?".

Does it mention anywhere that Priscilla's yoki is different or strange somehow?

If Priscilla had AB yoki, I don't think Renee would have said "what is that thing that you have with you?". Wouldn't she say "why do you have an AB with you?"

Maybe Priscilla's yoki has changed from an AB yoki to something else?

If you could translate that part for me, that would be great.

Thank you.

No Problem.

"how did I not notice her until now?":

bakana,
kono watashi ga...
ima made kidsukenakatta...

Means:
Impossible / How could I(/someone like me)... / not have noticed until now...

the 'kono watashi' is literally "this myself" - i.e. it has a hint of "I'm so awesome yet..."


The next few panels she's stuttering to get her words out, so I do it overly literally next to it:


sh... shouki ka... (The tr.. true character?)
kisama... (you bastard)
omae... (you)
itai nani o tsureteirun da (what exactly are you leading around)


So, rearranging a bit to make it into English,

You bastard, what's the true character of that thing you're taking along with you?

It's hard to get the bubbles to match though - especially since it's over 2 pages.

Edit: supplementary note:
The 2 pages do not actually make up a single sentence. It's just that the first page is just sentence fragments that don't mean much without the context of page 2. "tr... true identity?" "you bastard..." is not something that would work in English for the first panel I think.

[tenken627]

Thank you Cyclone.


You bastard, what's the true character of that thing you're taking along with you?

It's hard to get the bubbles to match though - especially since it's over 2 pages.

So, could you take from this quote right here that whatever Renee feels from Priscilla, it's not a normal AB feeling?

Because she seems truly confused as to what Priscilla is.



Edit: supplementary note:
The 2 pages do not actually make up a single sentence. It's just that the first page is just sentence fragments that don't mean much without the context of page 2. "tr... true identity?" "you bastard..." is not something that would work in English for the first panel I think.

Yeah it seems like fragments, but it clears that part up a little more than just the "are you insane?" that shrimpy has translated in that spot.

[Cyclone]

So, could you take from this quote right here that whatever Renee feels from Priscilla, it's not a normal AB feeling?

Because she seems truly confused as to what Priscilla is.

I think it's fair to asssume she understood Pricilla's full power rather than some Riful-esque outer shell of youki or anything like that.
Personally, I think she understood WHAT she is (an AB) - just never felt anything like it before which led to the questions - that's just my opinion though.

Yeah it seems like fragments, but it clears that part up a little more than just the "are you insane?" that shrimpy has translated in that spot.

The shrimpy translation takes a few too many liberties in a number of places, I find.

[Enara]

Dreadfully mean @Enara.

what I meant was

" get back unless you want to get hurt." to little Prissy when she thought she was a human. that was mean.

" she can't possibly be alive any more." sure clare can't be alive any more.

" to bad for you I'm one of the fastest around." Miara would never say that.

that what I mean

[Ryuken]

She didn't get it right away now did she. Took her the second time to realize just who she was dealing with. Scared the living daylights out of her. I wonder how that feeling would be.

And @Enara, I knew exactly what you meant and to what you based you conclusions on. BTY those were good conclusions.

[NobodyMan]

where red shirts (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedShirt), support characters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MauveShirt) and mentor archetype (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mentors) can die at the drop of a hat, you mean, I think. Clare, Raki and Priscilla are totally safe (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SortingAlgorithmOfMortality) until the very end, and even then I'm not sure Yagi would go for a downer ending (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DownerEnding), though with the time gap, he shifted from the roaring rampage of revenge (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge) plot prompted by Teresa's death (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouKilledMyFather) to something a bit more (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PhlebotinumRebel) complex (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TurnedAgainstTheirMasters) Haha, those TVTropes pages were funny! thanks for sharing them with us. :D You should also check out Uncyclopedia: the content free encyclopedia, it's not about the tropes in TV series, but it has all kinds of humorous articles about all kinds of things. :p

You're probably right though, Raki, Clare, and Priscilla will survive until the end. I could imagine an ending where they do a small timeskip and then show Raki telling people tales about Claymores and the one that saved his life. Who knows how it's going to end though. :eyespin:

[tenken627]

I think it's fair to asssume she understood Pricilla's full power rather than some Riful-esque outer shell of youki or anything like that.
Personally, I think she understood WHAT she is (an AB) - just never felt anything like it before which led to the questions - that's just my opinion though.


That is what I mean. I think she felt Priscilla's real power, but that it was a feeling unlike that of ABs. She did understand that Priscilla was some type of yoma/AB being, but it seems like Priscilla's aura is also something different than that of ABs, and that caused Renee's confusion.

I was just wondering about it.

Normally, you would expect Renee to say something along the lines of "What? Why do you have an AB with you?" or "What? An AB?".

But she says "What is that thing?" or "What is the true nature of that thing?"


The reason why I ask is because I wonder if Priscilla's body and yoki has maybe evolved or changed somehow? Maybe changed naturally or something was done to her, and she has become "different" than other ABs?



The shrimpy translation takes a few too many liberties in a number of places, I find.


Yeah, I am not trusting shrimpy's translation (Franky House) fully either. His translation is better than some of the other translations though.



Another part I wanted to know was that in shrimpy's translation, Raki says "I think that's why she's shrunken so much" during the part where Raki explains that Priscilla hasn't eaten humans in their travels.

Is that accurate with the raw?

Is it only Raki's guess that Priscilla has grown smaller because she doesn't eat humans or does Raki know for sure that is the reason?

[Simley]

just read the Franky house scanlation...damn, good chapter :D Some people were dissapointed because not so much action, but there was a lot of good plot development.

I like how mature Raki is now...the fact that he is willing to give up his life to travel with Priscilla is awesome.

I was thinking O__O damn riful is clever! Why have all the AO been so awesome? Even Luciella was witty. I want to see more of them, especially Isley.....where art thou?

[Ryuken]

But she says "What is that thing?" or "What is the true nature of that thing?"

@tenken627, she also did ask Raki what Prissy ate didn't she?
She must have known to some extent what Prissy was, but was not sure.:confused:

[Cyclone]

Another part I wanted to know was that in shrimpy's translation, Raki says "I think that's why she's shrunken so much" during the part where Raki explains that Priscilla hasn't eaten humans in their travels.

Is that accurate with the raw?

Is it only Raki's guess that Priscilla has grown smaller because she doesn't eat humans or does Raki know for sure that is the reason?

He says:
"karada ga chiisakunatta no mo sono sei da"

Her body becoming small too is caused by that[not eating living things (humans)].

[khryoleoz]

I hope so. :) I just realized G7's accomplishments started to eclipse Teresa's and I have a feeling that they'll take down Alicia. (not necessarily kill her though)
You can't help but think that when Teresa's story ended in chapter 24 and the most we've got since then has been some pandering to Teresa fans. But a former number 2 AB should be no comparison to a former number 2 who was a former number 1 AB, at least while who have no info that Agatha was a former #1 herself.

Also, Teresa didn't need to release to take down Rosemary. Remember the arm-twisting off thingy? You know, like this :does the arm motion:. She only did it to exercise what she hardly ever uses so as to, what did she say, not forget? Then there are 7 of the girls. SE7EN, 4 of which are card carrying members of an exclusive club of semi-ABs. They should be able to do a lot of damage shouldn't they?

Yes, it would be a pity. :( My only concern is her possibly weak state and it would be a setback if she restarted eating humans to regain her strength.She already had her moment when she put down the best Claymore ever. Priss really needs to go ASAP.

But apparently in Claymore, the less you use your power the stronger you get like with the seven. Priscilla must be unbeatable now ever since she had gone on her diet and, presumably, kept herself in that "lovable" form.

I also am looking forward to it. :) If only there was a small hint of a massive fight in the near future, a month for each chapter is too long. :)
I've given up. I'd now rather see Clare, Priss, and Raki in a threesome and start the spin-off hentai series, Lay More.

[kari-no-sugata]

the 'kono watashi' is literally "this myself" - i.e. it has a hint of "I'm so awesome yet..."

Nearest English I can think of would be something like "How could I of all people not notice..." though that's rather long. Personally, I think using italics or bold works better - "How could I not notice..."


So, rearranging a bit to make it into English,

You bastard, what's the true character of that thing you're taking along with you?

It's hard to get the bubbles to match though - especially since it's over 2 pages.

Edit: supplementary note:
The 2 pages do not actually make up a single sentence. It's just that the first page is just sentence fragments that don't mean much without the context of page 2. "tr... true identity?" "you bastard..." is not something that would work in English for the first panel I think.

Rather than "shouki" (正気) meaning "true character" or "true identity", I'm certain the intended meaning is "sanity" - "shouki ka" is almost always "have you gone mad!?" or "are you quite sane!?" kind of meaning...

[kari-no-sugata]

You can't help but think that when Teresa's story ended in chapter 24 and the most we've got since then has been some pandering to Teresa fans. But a former number 2 AB should be no comparison to a former number 2 who was a former number 1 AB, at least while who have no info that Agatha was a former #1 herself.

Also, Teresa didn't need to release to take down Rosemary. Remember the arm-twisting off thingy? You know, like this :does the arm motion:. She only did it to exercise what she hardly ever uses so as to, what did she say, not forget? Then there are 7 of the girls. SE7EN, 4 of which are card carrying members of an exclusive club of semi-ABs. They should be able to do a lot of damage shouldn't they?

Another thing to consider - after going on the attack, Teresa finished off Rosemary in one move (one page), while the Ghosts took one chapter.


She already had her moment when she put down the best Claymore ever. Priss really needs to go ASAP.

Nah, we need her so we can see Clare go 99.9% Youki-release again, like on Rigald :D


But apparently in Claymore, the less you use your power the stronger you get like with the seven. Priscilla must be unbeatable now ever since she had gone on her diet and, presumably, kept herself in that "lovable" form.

I don't think it's a matter of (literally) not using your power. But rather, using it efficiently or in a highly controlled manner. The ghosts said they did very intensive training to get where they are today.


I've given up. I'd now rather see Clare, Priss, and Raki in a threesome and start the spin-off hentai series, Lay More.

How about "Play More"? :heh:

[Dreadz!]

Rather than "shouki" (正気) meaning "true character" or "true identity", I'm certain the intended meaning is "sanity" - "shouki ka" is almost always "have you gone mad!?" or "are you quite sane!?" kind of meaning...

True, in that case the meaning was just like you said.

[Stream]

It is perhaps because raki stated in the episode in which priscilla saw the diminishing lights, that he allways had to think about clare even if priscilla was totally different from her?
Somehow he knows that there is a connection between the two but it is only a foreshadowing.

Teresa saw the same link.

[tenken627]

@tenken627, she also did ask Raki what Prissy ate didn't she?
She must have known to some extent what Prissy was, but was not sure.:confused:

Renee knows that Priscilla is an AB or at least a yoma type creature without a doubt.

But, like you said, the question is whether Priscilla is like other ABs or if she is some different "unique" type of AB.



He says:
"karada ga chiisakunatta no mo sono sei da"

Her body becoming small too is caused by that[not eating living things (humans)].



So, Raki is certain that Priscilla is becoming smaller because she does not feed on humans.

Shrimpy has "I think" in there in his translation, so it makes Raki seem like he is only guessing instead of being certain.



Nearest English I can think of would be something like "How could I of all people not notice..." though that's rather long. Personally, I think using italics or bold works better - "How could I not notice..."


Rather than "shouki" (正気) meaning "true character" or "true identity", I'm certain the intended meaning is "sanity" - "shouki ka" is almost always "have you gone mad!?" or "are you quite sane!?" kind of meaning...


So that part might be correct with the "a-are you insane?"

[PureYoki]

But a former number 2 AB should be no comparison to a former number 2 who was a former number 1 AB, at least while who have no info that Agatha was a former #1 herself.

The rankings are very inconsistent throughout the series (especially after periods of great losses), there's no way to know which one is more powerful. I believe Rosemary was on a par with Rigardo whereas Agatha was a tad weaker.

Also, Teresa didn't need to release to take down Rosemary. Remember the arm-twisting off thingy? You know, like this :does the arm motion:. She only did it to exercise what she hardly ever uses so as to, what did she say, not forget? Then there are 7 of the girls. SE7EN, 4 of which are card carrying members of an exclusive club of semi-ABs. They should be able to do a lot of damage shouldn't they?

Well, I think Teresa released her yoki to finish Rosemary quicker, otherwise it might take a while. Rosemary was giving Teresa a hard time but she lost the edge after she scorned Teresa. But right, it took 7 strong warriors to do what Teresa did by herself. Rosemary's demolishment was very impressive at the time but when I saw our G7 defeated Agatha without a scratch, it totally surprised me. IMO they, as a team, are a very tough opponent even against the abyssals and it seems nobody will be surprised if they take down Alicia.

She already had her moment when she put down the best Claymore ever. Priss really needs to go ASAP.

Don't worry, she is gradually shrinking to the point that we'll need a magnifying glass to see her. :D

[Enara]

Let's put it nice and simple.

Teresa was the strongest claymore of her time.

only the Zema's and prissy in a one on one battle could beat might be able to beat her

all of the fab seven Vs. Teresa and the fab. seven might win

[PureYoki]

only the Zema's and prissy in a one on one battle could beat might be able to beat her

Excuse my ignorance, who is Zema?

[Enara]

Zema is thought to be Alicia & Beth's lat name claymore chapter 64 page 12

[Ryuken]

all of the fab seven Vs. Teresa and the fab. seven might win

Yea, it would be very difficult for her. She would have her hands full and eventually someone would nick her. We all know that she is very strong but not stupid. Even she would flee if she felt overwhelming odds against her.:);)

[Enara]

my point exactly

[PureYoki]

Zema is thought to be Alicia & Beth's lat name claymore chapter 64 page 12

Ok, thank you. The name looked familiar but I couldn't remember from where.

[devils_alternative]

I'm just wandering what's Raki really want to say in this line "And then she'll probably be feeding on my... you know..." me wants to know what was that "you know" mean.


http://img36.onemanga.com/mangas/00000045/000061562/22.jpg


Hahaha :p

[irvinethearcher]

I don't think that the zemas are alicia and beth because this would mean(with a high probabilty) that the org could make every claymore superstrong if they intended to do that. Why make inheritage experiments to preserve the strength of theresa? I don't think the org can make claymores like miata, priscilla, riful, easley... at will. IMO they choose 70 - 100 twin couples and simply took the strongest and most capable couple and killed the others to preserve her soul - link secret. The zemas were one of those couples.
The problem is that with the informations we gained from the last chapters things could be different now and the zemas ARE alicia and beth because the orgs searches for a way to control ab's so it isn't so important to have strong claymores.
But the fact that Rafaella of all people heard about the zemas is very very improbable if the org choose only on couple and that the org, who are trying to control ab's made an unstable claymore like miata or priscilla intentionally such strong is something which doesn't fit in the theorie that the zemas are alicia and beth or in other terms it contradicts the theorie that the org didn't want claymores becoming to strong.

Thresa vs. fab. seven
IMO the only one who could even stand a chance against her is clare if and only if the others give her enought time to awaken most of her body parts. Without her you could probably send miata, galatea and the other 6 and achieve nothing. She crushed rosemarie an awakened nr. 1 like an insect, remember. Perhaps an awakened miata could be a match for theresa if Theresa not releases more than 30% - who knows.

[chibamonster]

@Flar: I don't think tropes are a bad thing either. I also do not think their use or frequency in a story automatically shows a lack of originality. I think originality, or independence in thought for story creation, can happen on many levels. So while the theme of a mother figure is something that has obviously happened before in the archetypes, Teresa's individual development coupled with Clare's reaction and the story arc really had a unique feel to it. The same can be said about many other parts of the story. Most stories, when simplified down, lose their uniqueness and can be easily categorized. It is in the details that a story can become unique, original and independent even using tropes, archetypes and stereotypes that have appeared before. At least that is how I feel about it :D.

Of course, sometimes I also think originality is not a good thing, especially when someone creates something bad with originality being its only saving grace. But it all depends on the story. Donny Darko was made because the director wanted to make something no one had ever seen before. And I sure liked it :).

Wow, I can't believe that there is this much issue about Teresa compared to the ghosts! Wowza! Even if Clare got full use of Irene's arm, that means she is about as strong as Irene with it. Remember Irene vs. Teresa? No contest. Even if Miria is super fast, so was Noel. Noel was #3,4 or 5 (I'd have to check data books) in a generation with Teresa AND Priscilla. The other ghosts are not as powerful as Clare and Miria so they'd be in trouble. I'd say even with Galatea, Miata and Clarice (lol) the ghosts couldn't get Teresa if she were serious.

The only way the ghosts would even have a chance against an angry Teresa would be to have Clare partially awaken. And oh, wait, that is Teresa's power in Clare :p. Also there were 10 Claymores in the fight against Agatha :D. And Agatha did not claim to be a former number one like Rosemary. We have never seen the organization give higher positions to people who did not deserve them, and often will just leave their positions empty. After Ophelia's death Raphaela and Miria were not promoted. BUT!!! There is no way Teresa would fight the ghosts :D This is all hypothetical power thinking, but in reality she would probably take them to the hot springs for a party.

Miria: We have come to this alternate dimension to test the fanboy's rankings of power to see if the 10 of us are as strong as you were!
Teresa: You are all friends of Clare's? How nice! Who wants Ice cream?
Clare, Helen, Miata, Clarice, Yuma, Cynthia, Tabitha: Me me me! Oh Oh Me!
Galatea: Well if we get some for the orphans too.
Deneve: Hmmm... vanilla...
Miria: To think we would lose like this... Wait do they have Rocky Road?!?! Nom nom nom.

[khryoleoz]

I believe Rosemary was on a par with Rigardo whereas Agatha was a tad weaker.
You're entitled to be wrong. :p
Anyway, I'd rather not tread old ground.


Well, I think Teresa released her yoki to finish Rosemary quicker, otherwise it might take a while. Rosemary was giving Teresa a hard time but she lost the edge after she scorned Teresa.
Okay. Let's just ignore what Teresa said even in jest.

But right, it took 7 strong warriors to do what Teresa did by herself. Rosemary's demolishment was very impressive at the time but when I saw our G7 defeated Agatha without a scratch, it totally surprised me.
Why is it a surprise? The group consisted of four semi-ABs, one of whom was a 6. Agatha as you also say was a tad weaker. How much is a tad appears to be below your own expectation for a number 2 when you compare her to Rigald and Rosemary.

IMO they, as a team, are a very tough opponent even against the abyssals and it seems nobody will be surprised if they take down Alicia.
I don't know how you form that opinion based on the 7 killing Agatha. We can presume from their handling Agatha that so long as they can do it they'll deal with an AB they come across. But they came across Riful earlier. Remember how that went? And yet we should expect them to take down Alicia?

Don't worry, she is gradually shrinking to the point that we'll need a magnifying glass to see her. :D
That's fine. So long as her parts, bust, waist and hips remain proportional then we can always "love" her.



Let's put it nice and simple.

Teresa was the strongest claymore of her time.

only the Zema's and prissy in a one on one battle could beat might be able to beat her

all of the fab seven Vs. Teresa and the fab. seven might win

Yea, it would be very difficult for her. She would have her hands full and eventually someone would nick her. We all know that she is very strong but not stupid. Even she would flee if she felt overwhelming odds against her.:);)

What the? Do either of you realize who it is against which you're pitting the 7? These are the 7, 4 of whom wore worried visages when they felt Riful's presence and all that they felt they could do was run away from her. These girl scouts would crap their panties if they felt the yoki signature that Irene or Rosemary felt. Have some perspective and give the dead girl her break will ya.

[Savannah]

That the G7 could take down Agatha without any problems and injuries is absolutely no surprise, tbh. After all they have been together and training together for seven years. As for Claymores, one would call that unnatural. As they are a rather anti socialistic group (Clare said that herself), there are only 2 outcomes for such a big group: kill each other after a while (well this is a bit exaggerated^^) or build a relationship that surpasses a human companions' by far. Ofc they are deadly as an organized team. Maybe each single Claymore's effectiveness is raised by the double or triple, if not more.

[PureYoki]

Wow, I can't believe that there is this much issue about Teresa compared to the ghosts! Wowza! Even if Clare got full use of Irene's arm, that means she is about as strong as Irene with it. Remember Irene vs. Teresa? No contest. Even if Miria is super fast, so was Noel. Noel was #3,4 or 5 (I'd have to check data books) in a generation with Teresa AND Priscilla. The other ghosts are not as powerful as Clare and Miria so they'd be in trouble. I'd say even with Galatea, Miata and Clarice (lol) the ghosts couldn't get Teresa if she were serious.

Actually I was thinking about it for a while. I think the biggest advantage of G7 against Teresa is their cloaked yoki. What makes Teresa unique was her preemptive perception as Irene stated. This is why Noel's speed or Irene's quicksword were useless against her. On the contrary Miria's phantom images or Clare's windcutter may pose her some problems because she will no longer be able to read the moves correctly.

When Teresa said Priscilla would be incredibly strong in the future, I don't think she meant a geometric increase in Priscilla's yoki. Teresa thought Priscilla would be an experienced fighter and use her suppressed yoki to her advantage. This is why she thought she might lose to Priscilla in the future.

I think Teresa still has the upper hand against G7 but with leadership of Miria and a proper tactic, she might very well lose. They were quite impressive against Agatha as a team, they finished her without a scratch. This is quite an accomplishment.

And comparing rankings between generations may give wrong results. Especially when they lose many soldiers, the org. tends to fill the ranks with less than worthy warriors. Take #3 Audrey for example, does anybody think she can take down Galatea? Is Renee a better fighter than Miria? How do we know minimum requirements for #1 position is at least Rafaela strength? How do we know Agatha wasn't quite close to her #1 in power? I believe Rosemary was nowhere near abyssal level, and Riful could handle her with ease.

[Savannah]

Wow, I can't believe that there is this much issue about Teresa compared to the ghosts! Wowza! Even if Clare got full use of Irene's arm, that means she is about as strong as Irene with it. Remember Irene vs. Teresa? No contest. Even if Miria is super fast, so was Noel. Noel was #3,4 or 5 (I'd have to check data books) in a generation with Teresa AND Priscilla. The other ghosts are not as powerful as Clare and Miria so they'd be in trouble. I'd say even with Galatea, Miata and Clarice (lol) the ghosts couldn't get Teresa if she were serious.

I like that lol in brackets. Will u marry me lol?

[Anima]

Ah.. To tell the truth, I've started to have cold feelings for this forum because things started to get boring but once I saw that Teresa vs. Ghosts it sparked something inside! Man, I get agitated the moment someone doubts Teresa's unparalleled strength. Fortunately, there are some strong Teresa's fan out there to defend :p

However, I see PureYoki point and I believe it's valid. They would pose some problems at first but once the first scratch is laid on Teresa (if ever!), like in Priscilla's fight, she would release yoki, and kills them one by one.

khryoleoz, please join the Army of Teresa (see sig) because you are one of those claymore fans that know the true strength of Teresa. :D

of course any Teresa fan is welcome to join. :)

[PureYoki]

But they came across Riful earlier. Remember how that went? And yet we should expect them to take down Alicia?

There were no reason to fight, they were there to rescue Audrey and Rachel. I don't say they'll overwhelm Alicia or something, I say if they have the power to dispatch former #2 so effortlessly, they may cope with Alicia.

[chibamonster]

Nope Teresa would win. Sure Teresa uses her youki sensing, but the funny thing is she doesn't need to. Teresa didn't need to sense anybody. She IS more powerful than everyone else. She just, for some reason, keeps that power secret. It is as if her youki sensing is the way she gets out of exposing her secret power. Teresa has enough youki to make neigh-Abyssal Rosemary wet herself (and yes, she would have been an Abyssal if she had awakened earlier, no matter what her power actually was). Teresa beat Priscilla at her absolute limits with just enough color to change her eyes. Priscilla is a creature so powerful that Isley calls her the the ultimate monster and Riful calculates that 2 AO's would be necessary to beat her. Teresa did not die because she was weaker than Priscilla, she died because she was no longer fit for battle and showed mercy to Prissy. Sorry, but if eye changed Teresa can defeat limit breaking Priscilla and Fully awakened Rosemary without a sweat, can you imagine 50% teresa? 70 % Teresa? Teresa knew her limits as she told Priscilla, and that is terrifying. Some day we will find out why Teresa hid her power. It will appear in the story.

Do I think Audrey could take down Galatea? I think it is undecided. Are you telling me you have seen Audrey lose? I think both Galatea and Audrey got pwned by Riful. I think Audrey actually landed some attacks on a fully awakened Riful. I think the new generation is very strong in the lower digits and that the organization itself is in better shape than it has ever been as they control an AO. I think Audrey deserves her rank. I think both of their abilities rely on manipulating their opponent, one with youki, one with physical moves.

[Savannah]

Teresa beat Priscilla at her absolute limits with just enough color to change her eyes.

What kind of color? The water proof one? Red? Or Blue? Hmm, maybe green color is stronger. :D

[NobodyMan]

Well, Teresa vs the ghosts seems to be the hot topic now, so I may as well join in. :heh:

Teresa would win, no doubt, she's number 1 for a reason, you know? ;) She would destroy them, but since she's nice wouldn't kill them, instead congradulate them for a fight well fought, and take them out to eat. :p

Now a more fair fight would be every character in the Claymore Universe vs Teresa, which I think would end in a draw. :D

However, I think of Teresa being all-powerful, but not invincible, as was clearly shown in the manga. :upset:

[chibamonster]

A German who hates soccer and has a sense of humor*? Wow. My mind has been blown to smithereens :p. [*the previous statement was uncalled for and the sponsors of chibamonster apologize for his horrible stereotyping] I'd edit that bad sentence but hey, I think Teresa could probably change her eyes to Purple if she wanted to. Sort of like how flames have different colors. Teresa's gold may have gone red if she got pissed. I also like to think that "Blood Eyes Miata" actually has a darker shade of gold that is more crimson when she releases her youki.

and sure, I'll marry you lol.

[Savannah]

Now a more fair fight would be every character in the Claymore Universe vs Teresa, which I think would end in a draw. :D

Well, that would be every Claymore fighting against Teresa, who has each and every human on her side (as dead weight to Teresa) right?

@Chiba: Sry, I don't want to hurt ur feelings, but I spoke to that lol. Anyway, I'm happy about them. The hell, come on let'S do an instant marriage chiba xDDDDDD
Ah, my sense of humor is strange for quite a lot of Germans xD Although most like it in some way^^ Well I appear as a uptight or too serious to people that don't know me, tbh...

[NobodyMan]

Well, that would be every Claymore against Teresa with each and every human as dead weight for her, right?Yep. totally. :p... Wait, Raki's not dead weight! Just everyone other than Raki.

[PureYoki]

Well, I base my assumptions on Teresa's own words about Priscilla: "I may be able to beat her now but next time, who knows." Why exactly did she say that?

And does Teresa have to release her yoki to defeat G7? What if they fight on equal terms without releasing any yoki?

[Savannah]

Yep. totally. :p... Wait, Raki's not dead weight! Just everyone other than Raki.

What? Raki isn't a dead weight to Teresa? U kidding me?^^

@chiba: tonight's forum is a bit fast paced. My comment to our marriage is further upwards in my last post^^

[chibamonster]

I think Teresa's statement had to do with knowing that the org had created someone who had something like her own power. Remember when Isley fought Luciella and they annihilated the landscape? Teresa knowing that someone existed who had the potential to push her to her limits did not mean she knew she was going to lose. She was not sure what their future fight would be like. And in the Claymore world, even being more powerful does not mean you will absolutely win.

And hey, the G7 had 7 years to perfect their fighting without youki release. Teresa has never suppressed her youki enough to not be detected. If she did she would probably still be alive, and I think eventually she would have gotten there. I like to imagine that Teresa, like Zaraki Kenpachi, has so much power that she cannot suppress it :D Okay, she could, but she never did when we met her.

[Savannah]

Somehow I think that that Zaraki Kenpachi would fall for Teresa if they met xDDD

[Korinov]

Somehow I think that that Zaraki Kenpachi would fall for Teresa if they met xDDD

Who knows. Since kendo gives you the power to annihilate everyone that a few minutes before were bullying you... :D

[NobodyMan]

Teresa would be Kenpachi's dream opponent. :D