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Natsuki Hyuga
2008-12-13, 00:18
Obvious teenager-fangirl poll is obvious (for the male part, of course) :D
Not that I have interest in Newtype or Animage-esque magazine, but I couldn't help to think that drop is really interesting.
To be fair, is there any of other magazine poll?
justinstrife
2008-12-13, 00:23
Sheryl rocks. End of story.
How in the hell is Taiga in that list? o.0
As to the topic on Minmei... If you're only talking about the series...
Most
Hated
Female
Ever
The movie version was sooooo much better
DYRL Minmay was way better. X3
How in the hell is Taiga in that list? o.0
Oy, Taiga rules!!! :D
To be honest I'm surprised Taiga is so low on the list, I'm not really a fan of hers but I thought she would be placed higher.
To be honest I'm surprised Taiga is so low on the list, I'm not really a fan of hers but I thought she would be placed higher.
That's because we got to have many characters of the same type recently, heck, with the same seiyu.
justinstrife
2008-12-13, 13:17
Oy, Taiga rules!!! :D
Blasphemy. She's the reason I'm not following that show now. :frustrated:
Nah, you just think she looks like Louise or Shana. :D
justinstrife
2008-12-13, 18:03
Nah, you just think she looks like Louise or Shana. :D
Looks like? No. Sounds like and acts like? YES! Worst character archetype ever.
Even though they are absolutely, positively, definitively nothing at all alike, other than the "type" and that they have the same VA? I mean, they don't even have the same behavioural patterns, and Taiga is not a mere tsundere archetype. But we're digressing. We're in the wrong forum, for that. :D
Tsuchiro
2009-01-14, 18:20
Bah.. Sheryl dropped to 5th on NT this month..
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5444/page129bt7.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page129bt7.jpg)
Not moe enough :(
Well, at least she's still there...and she's the only Frontier character there.
I know I should be used to it...but I'm still surprised seeing Kira and Lacus there. O_O
I know I should be used to it...but I'm still surprised seeing Kira and Lacus there. O_O
Personally, I find Kira to be a much better male character than Alto, and that his interaction with Lacus is what kept the two on the polls.
- Tak
There's Alto in 9th spot :p
And yea.. Kira x Lacus ownz everyone :D
<- is an obsessive Lacus fanboy
There's Alto in 9th spot :p
I am fairly certain that is someone else from 00 :p
- Tak
Bah.. Sheryl dropped to 5th on NT this month..
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5444/page129bt7.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page129bt7.jpg)
Not moe enough :(
She'll make a run for #1 with the movie anyway.
ffantasy24
2009-03-11, 01:01
Brera is No.1 for me!!!! >////<
I would vote for Alto if Brera didn't appear in the most awesome way in episode 7.
Quoted for truth!XD
magnuskn
2009-03-11, 04:08
Personally, I find Kira to be a much better male character than Alto, and that his interaction with Lacus is what kept the two on the polls.
- Tak
Really? I thought he is a whiny bitch, the archetype of mecha pilot I most despise.
Really? I thought he is a whiny bitch, the archetype of mecha pilot I most despise.
QFT, really :heh:
*gives killing stares at both magnus and Urei*
<- Points at title, there's a reason why I kept my old username there ..
:mad:
Really? I thought he is a whiny bitch, the archetype of mecha pilot I most despise.
Not really, because his popularity really did rise with DESTINY.
By the time of DESTINY, he is already a changed man
- Tak
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-03-11, 07:31
*Does not realize that KiNA's old username refers to Kira Yamato :heh:*
Surprisingly, the only thing that keep me from tearing and beating up my DVD player is, indeed, Kira (uhhh, as much as I am an Athrun fangirl too, I can't deny he was rather degenerated in DESTINY too). Well, to be honest, I was crying in joy when Kira hijacked the show. No, really. :D
Anyway, anyone got an info about April's Newtype? I swear a certain SF4 lover mentioned about it having been published by this time :p
magnuskn
2009-03-11, 08:10
To be honest, I stopped watching the first season of Gundam Seed around the middle, because I was getting completely turned off by the general state of wangst (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wangst) in that show. So I guess I never got to see how Kira evolved from being a whiny Shinji-like bitch to be a better character.
To be honest, I stopped watching the first season of Gundam Seed around the middle, because I was getting completely turned off by the general state of wangst (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wangst) in that show. So I guess I never got to see how Kira evolved from being a whiny Shinji-like bitch to be a better character.
Well, lets just say that Kira never becomes anywhere near as awesome as Amuro Rey or any of the UC Newtype mains. What really gets me about him is how he just disables his enemies, which lets them be recovered, their suit repaired, and then they can get back to killing more people. I like Kira less than I like Alto, never mind some of his fellow Gundam leads.
magnuskn
2009-03-11, 09:30
To be honest, I never understood why Alto is so disliked by many people. He actually is one of my favorite male characters, because a.) he is not emo; b.) he gets stuff done and c.) he is loyal and reliable to a fault.
He may not be the most expressive guy and his constant yelling in combat goes on my nerves somewhat, but I must say he really brings it in the parts I care about.
It may be my advancing age, but emo teenagers really go on my nerves by now. I prefer characters who, if they have a problem, deal with it, instead of whining endlessly about it.
nanatsusaya
2009-03-11, 09:55
Newtype 0903:
#4 Alto
#1 Sheryl :D
#3 Ranka
Newtype 0904:
http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/1293793.html#cutid1
#7 Alto
#5 Sheryl (again)
#10 Ranka (will she drop? :rolleyes:)
OTOH, mark your calendar ;) After more than SIX YEARS none of GS characters make it to Newtype Ranking :eyespin: And I REALLY want it to stay that way :rolleyes:
Haruhi hype is in full swing.... imagine if the rerun is fake and it's really season 2... gonna be #1 for the next 5-6 months... if it is s2 Yuki gonna lock that top spot down since s2 material is Yuki centric. Ranka gonna slide out next month until the movie or next big Macross feature.. Marina aint gonna hang around (please shoot down her shuttle Ali)
Newtype 0903:
#4 Alto
#1 Sheryl :D
#3 Ranka
Newtype 0904:
http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/1293793.html#cutid1
#7 Alto
#5 Sheryl (again)
#10 Ranka (will she drop? :rolleyes:)
OTOH, mark your calendar ;) After more than SIX YEARS none of GS characters make it to Newtype Ranking :eyespin: And I REALLY want it to stay that way :rolleyes:
Who was it that said Sheryl would tank in the rankings soon after MF ended? Yeah right.
Don't worry I bet Kira and Lacus will pop back up soon. People want to hate, but I can't imagine any of the Gundam 00 characters being on that list in 6 years. Maybe Setsuna or Tieria... :D
Tsuchiro
2009-03-11, 14:46
Haruhi hype is in full swing.... imagine if the rerun is fake and it's really season 2... gonna be #1 for the next 5-6 months... if it is s2 Yuki gonna lock that top spot down since s2 material is Yuki centric. Ranka gonna slide out next month until the movie or next big Macross feature.. Marina aint gonna hang around (please shoot down her shuttle Ali)
nah.. Yuki only got the top spot because she had more showtime in Haruhi-chan.
Hmm, another character I'd like to see within the top 3 is actually Nagisa from Clannad...
The game is one thing, the anime brought her to life.
- Tak (Now where, oh where is Tomoyo)
Lacus and Kira already made history by staying up for this long without anything to go with (just pure fanbase).. Rei was there as well, but then again NGE release something periodically to keep her afloat while being in the chart.
GS and GSD .. none whatsoever.. Wait till the movie comes out, both will hug their respecive throne ones again :D
@ Natchan .. Kira Yamato + Uzumaki Naruto, call me a tard.. but those 2 are the first 2 series that I watched and made me fall into anime junkies like you all :D
I can't wait myself, I am a bigger fan of that couple than this one. If Ohnogi have something to call his greatest achievement, GS/GSD is it.
- Tak
Well, as long as Sheryl stays on the polls, then all is fine with me. I've learned not to care how these polls work a long time ago. :heh:
OT but....gah, that Kiefer sig is awesome. I need a Kiefer avatar or sig.
I've just come across this. This is for you hardcore Sheryl fans.:D
http://ga.sbcr.jp/mreport/012585/images/04.jpg
http://ga.sbcr.jp/mreport/012585/images/04.jpg
As expected, Sheryl wins the Miss Macross contest. Ranka is only on second place. Congrats! Alto won 3rd on Miss Macross lmao
Most favorite scenes:
01位 20話 ダイアモンド・クレバス
02位 25話 アナタノオト
03位 05話 スター・デイト
04位 24話 ラスト・フロンティア
05位 22話 ノーザン・クロス
06位 07話 ファースト・アタック
07位 01話 クロース・エンカウンター
08位 12話 ファステスト・デリバリー
09位 06話 バイバイ・シェリル
10位 08話 ハイスクール・クイーン
Mr. Macross
01位 早乙女 アルト
02位 ミハエル・ブラン
03位 オズマ・リー
04位 ブレラ・スターン
05位 レオン・三島
06位 ジェフリー・ワイルダー
Miss Macross
01位 シェリル・ノーム
02位 ランカ・リー
03位 早乙女 アルト
04位 ボビー・マルゴ
05位 クラン・クラン
06位 グレイス・オコナー
:cool:
Hmm, so you can vote more than once. I've seen lots of complaining about Ranka coming in second but well what can they do it's just a poll. But the biggest question is...will this affect the progression of the movie? If at all??:eyespin: Dun dun dun...I've seen lots say this is the answer to the love triangle hahah
I've seen lots say this is the answer to the love triangle hahah [/FONT][/B]
Who is 'lots'? As far as this forum is concerned, we are not even relating this poll to the triangle in any manner (thus far).
The biggest surprise of this poll however, is Alto for actually winning Mr. Macross. I predicted Banana, but I guess I was wrong.
- Tak
And he was actually 3rd in the girl's side of the poll? THAT was something... :heh:
Who's banana? XD I wanted Brera to win something too.
Who's banana? XD I wanted Brera to win something too.
I think you just answered... your own question...
Yes, Banana is the community nickname for Berera...
- Tak (And to think he is not top 3, that is just wrong)
justavisitor
2009-03-19, 17:49
@Mei19
Where are the complaints that Ranka comes in second?? From japanese internet sites?? PPl want her to move up or down? :heh: (the word compliant can be confusing :D) Just curious to know how's Ranka doing in her hometown (Japan is not exactly her hometown, but anyway XD)
Kinda surprised how episode 8 is there on the list. And awws...most of the episodes there involve Alto/Sheryl. ;)
As for the complaints, life is like that.
justavisitor
2009-03-19, 21:09
I just don't know if ppl complaint that Ranka is on the second, or complaints that she is just on the second :heh: you know, compliant can go both ways so I am just curious to find out, that's all, and where are the complaints coming from?? Japan??
Anyway, glad to see Ranka is up there XD
I highly doubt the producers would care if the complaints were to originate from anywhere outside of East Asia.
Although based on the Macross Frontier BBS on the official site, I have yet to see a single complaint of the sort. In fact, the discussion right now is centered on Mike.
- Tak
justavisitor
2009-03-19, 21:15
@Tak
Mei19 said she saw some complaints about Ranka being on second..just wondering where are those complaints coming from...so you mean it's from Japan??
And of course, I don't think producers care any complaints outside of East Asia either (actually, I don't think producers listen to any complaints, just like the authority of F1 that decides the stupid newest F1 rule about championship, I know it's off topic to discuss F1 in here..but the newest rule is really dumb)
And he was actually 3rd in the girl's side of the poll? THAT was something... :heh:I'm actually more interested in why Bobby is not in the men's list and ranks 4th on the girls'.
Ah gomen, justavisitor! I'm not lying.:D I'm talking about 2ch.:heh: Some were dissatisfied with the results. Basic whining here and there. Scroll down around 2009/03/19. I never knew how interesting the people there are. I dunno what they're talking about now but a while ago it was interesting, I even saw someone calling Sheryl "bichi" hahah Wow...
I think the last link had some people analyzing the votes. It seems like the majority of the votes came from the internet explorer (maybe this includes overseas fans?).;) Hmm...Atleast that's what I understood. Can some fluent japanese confirm that.:D If they're still talking about it that is. Btw is Cagalli hated in Japan? They were comparing Ranka to her and to Lacus and to God and to Minmei lmao
http://pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/net/1235919213/
http://changi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anichara2/1236438170/l50x
http://changi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime4vip/1236258593/l50x
IMO, more than Sheryl and Ranka, I think Kawamori should feel a little self-conscious now. Ohnogi's episode 20 beat his troller episode 25 to number 1. It's time Kawamori gives us a better movie run by himself. :mad:
I'm actually more interested in why Bobby is not in the men's list and ranks 4th on the girls'.
But Bobby is a woman. What are you talking about?:)
I guess Bobby's GAR side doesn't count lol
http://pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/net/1235919213/
http://changi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anichara2/1236438170/l50x
http://changi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime4vip/1236258593/l50x
So you gave me a mixture of an analytical thread, hate Ranka thread (where one user talks about how to rape Ranka) and debate thread... while none of them specifically mentioned the supposed dissatisfaction about Ranka being 2nd?
I mean, sure, two threads are Ranka centered, but they are not even really talking about her that much. Seriously, 2ch is not a person's best source of information, even if you understand 2ch lingo.
IMO, more than Sheryl and Ranka, I think Kawamori should feel a little self-conscious now. Ohnogi's episode 20 beat his troller episode 25 to number 1. It's time Kawamori gives us a better movie run by himself. :mad:
Yeah, well, 20 wouldn't beat his all-time troller if his dictatorship over his own flagship title didn't ruin it in the first place. Hey, he had 17 episodes to prove his worth, he fucked up, almost put MF out of the polls and ratings. He had no excuse.
- Tak
justavisitor
2009-03-19, 23:07
@Mei19
I am not saying you are lying lol..just wondering are those complaints from japanese site (eg 2ch) and turns out that the complaints are from 2ch XD
Well, I guess Kawamori must be happy that 2ch posters are discussing the polls after the series was over half of a year ago (and he must be even happier if he knows posters from overseas are also talking about this poll XD)
I never say you are lying lol, and once again, thanks for the info!!!
P.S
After paying a visit to 2ch, I must say I like Animesuki a bit more now...
I think the last link had some people analyzing the votes. It seems like the majority of the votes came from the internet explorer (maybe this includes overseas fans?).;)
Are you referring to this link: http://find.2ch.net/enq/result.php/500/l50
If you are, please note that its a survey on what browser people use when they visit 2ch, not the vote.
Especially since such information is not released.
- Tak
Well, Alto and Sheryl snagged the titles of Mr and Miss Macross. As Satelight mentioned, the two winners are featured in life-sized posters, displayed at their booth in the Tokyo Anime Fair.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4301/p3185715.jpg
The picture is snagged from http://www.over-drive-inc.com, who did a report on the Anime Fair. Check it out. ;) (http://www.over-drive-inc.com/overdrive-blog/info/2416.html)
S'ok justavisitor. I know deep inside you mean I'm lying hahah XD
Are you referring to this link: http://find.2ch.net/enq/result.php/500/l50
If you are, please note that its a survey on what browser people use when they visit 2ch, not the vote.
Especially since such information is not released.
- Tak
Hmm...you're right plus it's dated 2004 XD It's because I came across this post #360 from the third link analyzing that Sheryl's leading in the web while Ranka is more popular than Sheryl in magazine media rankings (animedia or what?) so I just assumed that site has something to do with their discussion. So why did they bring up that link? On second thought, nvm. Who cares.
I can also quote the people going "nande nande?? hidoiyo!!" blah blah "mitomenai!" way back in the first link but that's too much trouble just to prove a point. I think it's a waste of energy to go back and dig again. Even if Ranka came in first, there's also going to be people who'll act like that anyway.:rolleyes: Is Cagalli hated in Japan? The anti Ranka fans are comparing her to her. I think Cagalli is kickass.
And if there's any time for Kawamori to wow everyone, it's in the movie. It's never too late.:eyespin: He should revive Michael to spite those who voted for episode 20, which is Michael's death scene. That was my least favorite episode.
I guess Bobby's GAR side doesn't count lol
No way of course it does. All women has their GAR side too.:heh:
Aww...I wanna take a picture with them. TT__TT
Is Cagalli hated in Japan? The anti Ranka fans are comparing her to her. I think Cagalli is kickass.
While Cagalli can't hold a candle to Lacus in terms of popularity, she has her own legion of fangirls (for Lacus, it's fanboys). Especially considering the number of Asucaga fans...
Cagalli sucked in Destiny, I guess that's a reason for hate. But she isn't that widely hated.
smh @ the amount of reaching going on this last page by Mei19.
But the biggest question is...will this affect the progression of the movie?
Of course not! Sheryl as well as the AruSherri pairing was more popular in Japan before this poll so it's really just status quo.
Some were dissatisfied with the results. Basic whining here and there.
It's 2ch, people whine about anything there. That being said it's not really a good idea to use 2ch as a basis for people don't like the result.. since.. well Sheryl smoked Ranka in polls on that forum, AruSherri is way more popular and Ranka's hate threads uh.. dwarf Sheryl's... after episode 21.... I think Ranka had 25 threads to Sheryl's 5....
It's because I came across this post #360 from the third link analyzing that Sheryl's leading in the web while Ranka is more popular than Sheryl in magazine media rankings (animedia or what?)
I think one animedia issue had Ranka with 39 votes and Sheryl with 33. The amount of votes it gets is nothing compared to Newtype and Animage.
I think Cagalli is kickass.
Sadly I think the correct term is "was kickass", I really despise how they butchered her character in Destiny. Fuck flashbackemall.
@ Raile
I think episode 8 had the highest tv ratings for the show.
Let's not forget that Newtype is much more popular in Japan. X3
Hmm...you're right plus it's dated 2004 XD It's because I came across this post #360 from the third link analyzing that Sheryl's leading in the web while Ranka is more popular than Sheryl in magazine media rankings (animedia or what?)
Ranka leads on only one magazine, while Sheryl leads in two and on top ten of Japan's largest anime magazine publication, New Type. Animedia's votes are both below 50 for both characters, while New Type is many times higher.
As for web polls, Sheryl had almost always been leading. Thus, there is a good reason why in every thread you linked, there is a disclaimer stating basically that if you are a AruSheri fan, be nice to the very few and handful of Ranka fans...
Is Cagalli hated in Japan? The anti Ranka fans are comparing her to her. I think Cagalli is kickass.
Answer to part A: Depends.
Why? GSD, due to director bias. Something even Ohnogi could not save.
- Tak
nanatsusaya
2009-03-20, 07:44
While Kira & Lacus are way more popular than Athrun & Cagalli, I have no doubt that Asucaga is the most popular pairing in GS fandom :cool: It had tons more developments than KiraLacus and everything was so clear until a certain mrs. Fukuda decided that Cagalli was too 'kickass' so they had to screw her character and give Athrun other love interest(s), especially the goody-too-shoes Meyrin Hawke. She even stated in an interview that since Cagalli was too much of a tomboy and workaholic, she didn't deserve/suit Athrun.
It's like a mrs.Kawamori suddenly popping up and declaring that Sheryl isn't 'moe' enough for Alto, or too independent and not clingy enough, so they decide to shift his attention to Ranka.
Imagine the fans' RAGE :eyespin:
Still, its just wrong to compare Cagali to Ranka...
- Tak
While Kira & Lacus are way more popular than Athrun & Cagalli, I have no doubt that Asucaga is the most popular pairing in GS fandom :cool: It had tons more developments than KiraLacus and everything was so clear until a certain mrs. Fukuda decided that Cagalli was too 'kickass' so they had to screw her character and give Athrun other love interest(s), especially the goody-too-shoes Meyrin Hawke. She even stated in an interview that since Cagalli was too much of a tomboy and workaholic, she didn't deserve/suit Athrun.
It's like a mrs.Kawamori suddenly popping up and declaring that Sheryl isn't 'moe' enough for Alto, or too independent and not clingy enough, so they decide to shift his attention to Ranka.
Imagine the fans' RAGE :eyespin:
Famous rumor is that Fukuda's wifey had something against Cagalli's seiyuu (Naomi Shindou). If that is true, then we can say she took it out on her character (Cagalli)...rather viciously. :eyespin:
Meyrin's actions were so out of the blue in the latter of GSD and other than having a brother-sister-like relationship (confirmed by Athrun in a drama CD), she just can't hold a candle to Cagalli in terms of a relationship with Athrun.
As for that Mrs. Kawamori scenario, I shudder. That would be a pretty stupid and dick move. :uhoh:
magnuskn
2009-03-20, 10:24
Well, Alto and Sheryl snagged the titles of Mr and Miss Macross. As Satelight mentioned, the two winners are featured in life-sized posters, displayed at their booth in the Tokyo Anime Fair.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4301/p3185715.jpg
<squeee!> Yay, team! :)
Is Cagalli hated in Japan? The anti Ranka fans are comparing her to her. I think Cagalli is kickass.
While I liked Cagalli in GS, she was awful in GSD. A crybaby who couldn't get anything done. They totally butchered her character. And of course, neither Cagalli nor Ranka can compare with Lacus imho.
CaptGloval
2009-03-20, 12:38
Wait, Sakura-hime Alto was third? Haha, never thought that troll idea of having Alto as both Mr. and Ms. Macross would actually gain some momentum.
germanturkey
2009-03-20, 13:22
i would so steal that cardboard cutout.. good to see Sheryl getting what she deserves. i watched the last ep again yesterday, and (yes, late to the party) Alto is banking towards her at the end.. lol
ps. Cagalli wasn't even that good in GS. she was good up until the point she returned to Orb. then she started her transformation to the GSD Cagalli.
When Caga returned to Orb in GSD and piloted the Akatsuki, I was about to scream HURRAY, CAGALI IS BACK.
Fortunately, I did not, because it would have been premature. Turned out I was right, she was ruined a 2nd time.
- Tak
xxangelchanxx
2009-03-23, 22:23
Voted Sheryl.
Voted for Sheryl, Klan and Michel <333
:P
LOL, I just realized Klan has more love than Ranka in the polls. XD
Well can't argue with that. ;)
justinstrife
2009-03-24, 21:51
Aww...I wanna take a picture with them. TT__TT
Is Cagalli hated in Japan? The anti Ranka fans are comparing her to her. I think Cagalli is kickass.
While Cagalli can't hold a candle to Lacus in terms of popularity, she has her own legion of fangirls (for Lacus, it's fanboys). Especially considering the number of Asucaga fans...
Cagalli sucked in Destiny, I guess that's a reason for hate. But she isn't that widely hated.
I hated Cagalli since the Desert Arc of SEED... Destiny just made me wish she'd get blown up in her Gundam.
Oh, would you people stop bashing on Cagali? Geez, she lost enough in Destiny already, don't add to it.
- Tak
LOL, I just realized Klan has more love than Ranka in the polls. XD
Well can't argue with that. ;)
That's because we are Evil~u ;)
Oh, would you people stop bashing on Cagali? Geez, she lost enough in Destiny already, don't add to it.
- Tak
I never liked Cagalli, but she's nothing like Ranka. I'm not getting the comparison. Ranka is a special snowflake, I wouldn't compare her to anyone else. Cagalli never once said Athrun save me~ In fact she tried to do things herself, even if it was stupid to do it. I respect that at least. She had it rough. Leave her alone. :heh:
Cagali was bad because the writer hate her.. Wanko was bad because the writer loves her @.@
Different case.
:D
^
LOL. That's hitting the nail. XD
Cagali was bad because the writer hate her.. Wanko was bad because the writer loves her @.@
Well, its a bit different. Cagali was bad because the director's wife hated her VA.
- Tak
Now you have a good parental problem example. Spoil her too much, you'll get Ranka, hate her too much, get Cagali. Average daily Nany fee - 27 E.
Well, its a bit different. Cagali was bad because the director's wife hated her VA.
- Tak
The directors wife was the writer for SEED/Destiny. Her handing in scripts late is the reason for so many recap episodes in Destiny.. the chief animator was bitching about her in his blog and promised to redeem himself in Mai Otome lol...
I really feel sorry for Shindou Naomi for having been bullied like that. DX
Maybe Fukuda wifey's illness was karma? :uhoh:
Tsuchiro
2009-04-11, 13:36
May NT polls:
1. C.C
2. Feldt Grace
3. Haruhi Suzumiya
4. Sheryl Nome
5. Yuki Nagato
6. Taiga Aisaka
7. Kouko Ibuki (Fuko's sister and I don't know how she got up there)
8. Marie Parfacy
9. Konata Izumi
10. Lacus Clyne
I didn't know Feldt was this well-liked. Cool.
Hang in there, Sheryl-sama! The movie is coming! :D
Feldt? FELDT?! That... Feldt?! The one that barely says jack!?
Huh?! :twitch:
What the hell did she ever do?!
- Tak
Probably because of her... erm... feelings toward the main protagonist of the series?
That's really all I can think of. :heh:
justavisitor
2009-04-11, 14:53
I like Feldt a lot lol
Well she hasn't done a lot in the series...but well I guess I know why she is so popular
yeah Feldt is in second !! :heh:
but well I guess I know why she is so popular
How? Where? When?! What!?
- Tak
justavisitor
2009-04-11, 20:21
Well I can guess at two things:
1)Her look--That is a major factor lol and in my opinion she looks a bit better than the main heroine... (ok guys stop throwing me tomatoes XD)
2)Maybe ppl read the novel-->00f and it helps :heh:
the main character in the novel is Feldt's parent..from the novel, you taste the happiness when they get together and the sadness when they die saving others..so maybe ppl put the emotion to their child--feldt
3)Feldt doesn't do much, but she does quite a lot compared to the main heroine...
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-12, 02:43
Excuse me, FELDT?! What did I miss from 00 S2 that she is able to claim 2nd, 2ND position of all place?!!!
Excuse me, FELDT?! What did I miss from 00 S2 that she is able to claim 2nd, 2ND position of all place?!!!
I don't know, probably an article on some magazine claiming that she has faint feelings toward a certain special asshole
- Tak
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-12, 05:12
I don't know, probably an article on some magazine claiming that she has faint feelings toward a certain special asshole
- Tak
... In other words, sudden illogical jump to main potential LI, therefore the assumed heroine of the series?
Oh Sunrise, how many times do you want to fail me in establishing 00 relationship?! D:
In any case, Sheryl hanging on the 4th position is <3, moreso when there is little to none Movie information last month <3
Just to poke fun at GSD haters.. Lacus is holding on to top 10 without anything :D
That sound perverted :x
triangler_fans1
2009-04-13, 01:04
I voted for Ranka and Alto! ;)
komiliafjenius
2009-04-17, 18:38
Sheryl, Alto and the Pixie squad I love Sheryl I love hime and I love when girls can kick ass
Kai Yukari
2009-04-19, 04:50
Oh, would you people stop bashing on Cagali? Geez, she lost enough in Destiny already, don't add to it.
- Tak
THANK YOU for the Cagalli love!
Ever since Seed, I've had this dislike for pink-haired characters (especially those after Athrun, typical Asucaga reaction, haha) but when I saw Sheryl, I fell in love at first sight. Considering she had pink hair, all I thought was -- she was awesome and she had the right shade of pink =D! I just couldn't hate her, she was the exception to the rule.
Oh and I vote for the Queen and the Hime.
What's with the Sheryl love? Not bashing or anything, I'm just curious. Her character isn't anything new, pretty stereotypical, and her design is really strange. (Come on, you can't deny that she has a manface 90% of the time)
What's with the Sheryl love? Not bashing or anything, I'm just curious. Her character isn't anything new, pretty stereotypical, and her design is really strange. (Come on, you can't deny that she has a manface 90% of the time)
...Just giving you a heads up but...get ready. You're about get a flood of responses from the Sheryl fans :uhoh:
Nah, I don't think so. If you've seen the series then we won't reach any understanding on the topic.
What's with the Sheryl love? Not bashing or anything, I'm just curious. Her character isn't anything new, pretty stereotypical, and her design is really strange. (Come on, you can't deny that she has a manface 90% of the time)
So tell me.. if you cant be bothered to read some of our reasonings which, basically, scattered all over this part of the forum, why in the blue hell should we bothered with your question by repeating our answers.. :rolleyes:
mechabao
2009-04-21, 02:13
What's with the Ranka love? Not bashing or anything, I'm just curious. Her character isn't anything new, pretty stereotypical, and her design is really strange. (Come on, you can't deny that she has green dog ears 100% of the time)
Oh wait I'm in the wrong forum.
Not to mention the balloon face!
Yes.. I still have nightmares over that scene whenever I rewatch the series D:
kenjiharima
2009-04-21, 02:31
Klan Klan no competition. :p
Not to mention the balloon face!
Yes.. I still have nightmares over that scene whenever I rewatch the series D:
And it was supposed to be a duel for Ranka between Alto and Brera :eyebrow: :eyespin:
And it was supposed to be a duel for Ranka between Alto and Brera :eyebrow: :eyespin:
Would I have watched that alternate series? ...No. I think not.
And it was supposed to be a duel for Ranka between Alto and Brera :eyebrow: :eyespin:
Thank Hiroyuki Yoshino that we didn't get that... lol @ Yoshino's swag... "This is going to be boring Kawamor-san I'm elevating Sheryl".
Heh. Some days I can't be bothered to write a reply. Even more when mechabao took the words right out of my keyboard... :heh:
What's with the Sheryl love? Not bashing or anything, I'm just curious. Her character isn't anything new, pretty stereotypical, and her design is really strange. (Come on, you can't deny that she has a manface 90% of the time)Alto makes anyone else seem manly.
Alto makes anyone else seem manly.
I LOL'ed. Very loudly, in fact. :D
Alto makes anyone else seem manly.
Alto got his ass kicked by Michel while in a dress in the first drama cd. :heh:
So tell me.. if you cant be bothered to read some of our reasonings which, basically, scattered all over this part of the forum, why in the blue hell should we bothered with your question by repeating our answers.. :rolleyes:
Oh, excuse me for thinking just one person would be able to reply with an answer. I had a quick look through random pages of the topic before I posted but didn't find anything beyond "she's really cool" and I didn't feel like looking through the other ~40 pages.
What's with the Ranka love? Not bashing or anything, I'm just curious. Her character isn't anything new, pretty stereotypical, and her design is really strange. (Come on, you can't deny that she has green dog ears 100% of the time)
Herp.
She does. I have no problem with unnatural hair colors but when anime characters' hair start behaving like ears it just gets silly. Frontier overall just had... Special character designs.
Oh, excuse me for thinking just one person would be able to reply with an answer. I had a quick look through random pages of the topic before I posted but didn't find anything beyond "she's really cool" and I didn't feel like looking through the other ~40 pages.
I believe 'Character Discussion - Sheryl Nome' thread has 105 pages. You can find many opinions there as well. If you look through properly, you'll find how people changed their opinions based on what was shown in the series. There were many, many great posts made there and I'm certain you'll be able to find one or two of them.
I believe 'Character Discussion - Sheryl Nome' thread has 105 pages. You can find many opinions there as well. If you look through properly, you'll find how people changed their opinions based on what was shown in the series. There were many, many great posts made there and I'm certain you'll be able to find one or two of them.
Thank you. I'll have a look. I'd forgotten about the character discussion threads.
No worries, we, fans, can get over the top pretty easily whenever our beloved Sheryl is involved.
You have to excuse us this small litle devilish treat we share. Reason and acceptance above all else ;)
abynormal
2009-04-21, 10:34
No worries, we, fans, can get over the top pretty easily whenever our beloved Sheryl is involved.
You have to excuse us this small litle devilish treat we share. Reason and acceptance above all else ;)
The pilots and crew of the SMS Skull Fairy work hard at maintaining our rapid response time, descending on naysayers like a swarm of Valkyries with guns blazing and missiles glittering through the air before they even know what hits them.
Don't mind us. We're just dedicated. And a little crazy. ;)
...We're high with fairy dust. :D
This reminds me, where is out Skull Fairy Logo? :upset:
You know, the one you slap on the side of your machine :heh:
Not to mention, you guys are all bored considering there hasn't been much movement in the Macross Frontier world recently :heh:
abynormal
2009-04-21, 12:45
Not to mention, you guys are all bored considering there hasn't been much movement in the Macross Frontier world recently :heh:
Any excuse to let a verbal M3 rip.
Oh yes, we are - Part II. :D
justinstrife
2009-04-21, 23:06
...We're high with fairy dust. :D
Ohhhhhhh yeaaahhhhhh :p
After a short chit-chat on IRC, I have gathered that, according to the latest results, Macross Frontier managed to top several lists on the latest Anime Grand Prix awards...
1) Macross Frontier took 2nd place in the Best 2008 Anime, losing out to only Code Geass R2 (expected)
2) Saotome Alto is 2nd only to Lulu (expected)
3) In best female lead, Sheryl Nome is no. 1
4) In best soundtrack, well, what do you think?
Enjoy the results, folks.
- Tak
1 & 2, yes, expected yet, still painful :rolleyes:
1 & 2, yes, expected yet, still painful :rolleyes:
Well, to be fair, Macross Frontier did stumble, and I cannot imagine what would have happened if it was allowed to progress further.
Let us just be thankful for the fact that it was saved from a near-death experience.
- Tak
Did you confirm it Tak? That was like why I told you the results so you could confirm it :EEE
Did you confirm it Tak? That was like why I told you the results so you could confirm it :EEE
...
You did not confirm it before you passed me the link?
...
uguu...
- Tak
Oh God... Lord Raileon's conditioning is putting a strain in poor Westlo's mind, I tell ya. He needs help, people!
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-05, 10:05
FAILURE TO BOTH OF YOU!!!!
:EEEE
Takky, I'll call l_w if you are not doing your job now! :E
(And this calls for my presence on IRC, whipping you all since cheesie is not doing a fairly good job indeed >_>)
:heh: @ everything above
There's still hope for justice!
justavisitor
2009-05-05, 10:12
so Tak, the short chit-chat on IRC means talking with Westlo only??
Can anyone tell me what's going on here :heh:
so Tak, the short chit-chat on IRC means talking with Westlo only??
Gee, I don't know, how many people do you consider to be the standard of a short chit-chat?
- Tak
Oh mi-gawd Westy, did you even make sure that it was from ANIMAGE?!
"Animation Prix 2008" can be from at least a dozen magazines not affiliated with Animage!
- Tak
Westlo is doomed, I tell you. DOOMED!!!
justavisitor
2009-05-05, 10:41
Tak, then why didn't you just say "after consulting with Westlo" lol..after all, we all know Westlo here right??
The way you talked, I almost thought you had some special ppl collecting info for you XD
just kidding :D
Dont bully birthday boy x_x
Tak, then why didn't you just say "after consulting with Westlo" lol..after all, we all know Westlo here right??
The way you talked, I almost thought you had some special ppl collecting info for you XD
just kidding :D
Hi, how you get that conclusion from my mention of a short chit-chat is beyond me. You are in way over your head, I suggest you go back to sleep.
- Tak
Dont bully birthday boy x_x
That's right! Poor, poor, Tak... :heh:
justavisitor
2009-05-05, 10:49
who's the birthday boy here, Tak??
If so, happy b-day Tak!!
Back to topic, so is the info provided by Tak correct after all?? (not that it really matters lol, but I better talk something on topic in this sub-forum...)
Yes, it is my Birthday. I accept gifts in cash only, please donate all your extra cash to my paypal account.
As for you Westy, I will give you 5 minutes to run, because I am suddenly getting trigger-happy. :p
On a 2nd note, the source says it is from a Chinese magazine, but what he did not mention is if that magazine is reflecting the results of the 31st animage grand prix. Now, East Asia has their own grand prix, and that Sheryl Nome is a popular character. So if she did grab no. 1 on that list, its hardly surprising, but it may or may not reflect the results of animage grand prix.
- Tak
Oh mi-gawd Westy, did you even make sure that it was from ANIMAGE?!
"Animation Prix 2008" can be from at least a dozen magazines not affiliated with Animage!
- Tak
Happy birthday! :D
The information surfaced from this livejournal entry (http://community.livejournal.com/whatboutmystar/55607.html) here. It was indeed from a Chinese magazine, and it looks like these results were taken after the TV series has ended.
Don't blame me, blame Cheesie!
Edit: Well, for May anyway. :p Sorry about that guys, but here you go, use this to compare once June's is posted up.
Male:
1. Lelouch Lamperouge
2. Setsuna F. Seiei
3. Tieria Erde
4. Kyon (Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi)
5. Okazaki Tomoya (Clannad After Story)
6. Allelujah Haptism
7. Kira Yamato
8. Lockon Stratos
9. Sakata Gintoki
10. Mister Bushido (Gundam 00)
Female:
1. C.C
2. Feldt Grace
3. Suzumiya Haruhi
4. Sheryl Nome (Macross F)
5. Yuki Nagato (Suzumiya Haruhi)
6. Taiga
7. Furukawa Nagisa
8. Soma Peries (Gundam 00)
9. Konata
10. Lacus Clyne (Gundam SEED)
Edit: Well, for May anyway. :p Sorry about that guys, but here you go, use this to compare once June's is posted up.
smh @ this fail walrus, especially after all your bragging.
smh @ this fail walrus, especially after all your bragging.
Might want to spam somewhere else, Wes. ;)
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-11, 21:34
'Yanno cheesie... Methinks you are fangirling BattlerxBeatrice too much :o You failed a lot these days...
*whistles*
Tsuchiro
2009-05-11, 21:39
'Yanno cheesie... Methinks you are fangirling BattlerxBeatrice too much :o You failed a lot these days...
*whistles*
these days? I think you meant all the time.. >_>
Welllll, the original results were taken from the CG thread - as the month wasn't specified, and the date it was posted (which was yesterday), I posted without much regard. :) Unfortunately, this 'fail' isn't large enough to kill any kittens anytime soon, so you might want to take it up yourselves as you have a rather mesmerizing touch with this craft. ;)
'Yanno cheesie... Methinks you are fangirling BattlerxBeatrice too much :o You failed a lot these days...
*whistles*
haha you should've seen when I logged in, cheesie was loling, bragging, abusive and bringing up talks about a bet and quoting weeks old lines of mine... and than it ends up being the wrong poll, what fail!
Natsuki aka Cheesie-lite you have much to learn in failing from Cheesie!
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-12, 03:09
haha you should've seen when I logged in, cheesie was loling, bragging, abusive and bringing up talks about a bet and quoting weeks old lines of mine... and than it ends up being the wrong poll, what fail!
Natsuki aka Cheesie-lite you have much to learn in failing from Cheesie!
Eh, I thought I already failed so much with my memory failure and weird unique fetish fangirling? :p
Pssst, is Newtype poll for June is actually up already anyway? :o I thought it should be a little bit later~
And Tsu-chan, I'm afraid to be bullied by cheesie again! D; Th-That's why I add these days, while you know the truth the best!
8DD
Tsuchiro
2009-05-12, 15:10
OK, here are the June NT polls w/o the fail..
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7488/nt062009.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nt062009.jpg)
Male:
1. Lelouch
2. Edward Elric
3. Kyon
4. Setsuna F Seiei
5. Tiera Erde
6. Kira Yamato
7. Sakata Gintoki
8. Tomoya Okazaki
9. Lockon Mk2 (Lyle Dylandy)
10. Allelujah Haptism
Female:
1. C.C
2. Suzumiya Haruhi
3. Feldt Grace
4. Kuniko Hojo
5. Yuki Nagato
6. Sheryl Nome
7. Lacus Clyne
8. Konata Izumi
9. Hirasawa Yui
10. Nagisa Furukawa
June? That's an overkill. We aren't even half way though May. Are they gonna give July votes at the start of June and January 2010 at September 2009? :twitch:
What I find most surprising is the resurfacing of both Kira and Lacus. Kira jumped one place, Lacus proved even more astounding, landing at 7 (where she had previously been 10th place).
Although honest mention does goto Nagisa Furukawa. For a bishojo game heroine to be on top 10 of a sci-fi/mecha magazine, thats a feat.
- Tak
Tsuchiro
2009-05-12, 17:39
June? That's an overkill. We aren't even half way though May. Are they gonna give July votes at the start of June and January 2010 at September 2009? :twitch:
You don't read magazines often do you? They are usually released one month ahead of time.
You don't read magazines often do you? They are usually released one month ahead of time.
What a sour accusation! Normally, in the country where I live and the continent I live in I get the magazines and press at the start, or a couple of days before the said month. Never seen something like a 'voting poll' from the future though.
It is quite common, really, for some editors, to release magazines or comics or whatever form of publication, ahead of the time displayed on the cover or the inner fine print. Nothing to get worked up over. :D
I've bought comics with a cover date of January 2009 in november of 2008, for instance... :heh:
What I find most surprising is the resurfacing of both Kira and Lacus. Kira jumped one place, Lacus proved even more astounding, landing at 7 (where she had previously been 10th place).
Although honest mention does goto Nagisa Furukawa. For a bishojo game heroine to be on top 10 of a sci-fi/mecha magazine, thats a feat.
- Tak
I wish to see another OVA with the Okazaki family just because I would like to see how they're living their life XD Nagisa just etched a place in my heart after watching After Story :heh: Can't wait for the Kyou OVA though.
Congrats to Sheryl and her 6th place spot currently. It seems as though she'll easily become #1 once the movie is released.
I wish to see another OVA with the Okazaki family just because I would like to see how they're living their life XD Nagisa just etched a place in my heart after watching After Story :heh: Can't wait for the Kyou OVA though.
So recently, I've noticed that you have been talking a lot about Nagisa...
Hmm...
Sorry but... give it up, she is married XD
- Tak
So recently, I've noticed that you have been talking a lot about Nagisa...
Hmm...
Sorry but... give it up, she is married XD
- Tak
*sigh* :p Hey!, one can dream ;) (Although, I'd prefer if you wouldn't mention this to my girl :heh:)
So recently, I've noticed that you have been talking a lot about Nagisa...
Tak, are you tracking Sir Dex everywhere? :love:
Tak, are you tracking Sir Dex everywhere? :love:
Don't even start that cheesie, I know where your mind is heading :rolleyes: Somehow I can follow your thoughts now :uhoh:
justinstrife
2009-05-13, 22:37
Tak, are you tracking Sir Dex everywhere? :love:
-gets out the popcorn-
This has potential to be quite good. :D
-gets out the popcorn-
This has potential to be quite good. :D
Naw, TakxDex is old news. But it is still amusing. :D
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-14, 02:42
*Perks up at the notion*
See Takky? I told you not to stalk Dexxy or the fail walrus failed Queen cheesie is going to follow and slash you and Dexxy to the end of the earth! That's why follow and be l_w's slave for God's sake~! :(
*Runs and gets bricked with her works again* D:
Oh? What's this? This disciple thinks she's on even grounds, and is now calling Cheesie out?
You know what my comrade Phoenix Wright has to say to that. (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1862/objection.jpg)
You are ten years too early to even try, Natsu the Oblivious. :cool:
Voted for Sheryl,the songstress of the Galaxy.
i just drop by to vote for Sheryl, the only character that stands out
deltaxxmintpie
2009-05-21, 14:02
Sheryl for the real men! ;)
I mean ranka looks like a 5 years old, cute? not even a bit :frustrated::frustrated::twitch:
I'm so glad sheryl is leading by a mile :love::love:
Omg my first post in months.
p.s: I'm shocked myself that I made the effort to log in and vote but anything for sheryl i guess.
Sheryl for the real men! ;)
I mean ranka looks like a 5 years old, cute? not even a bit :frustrated::frustrated::twitch:
I'm so glad sheryl is leading by a mile :love::love:
Omg my first post in months.
*sigh*
I wish people could just vote for their favorite characters without insulting others favorite characters -_-"
xxangelchanxx
2009-05-21, 15:00
*sigh*
I wish people could just vote for their favorite characters without insulting others favorite characters -_-"
Insult or not it's kinda true...she does like 5 or somewhere around that age. >_>;;
Insult or not it's kinda true...she does like 5 or somewhere around that age. >_>;;
You haven't seen very many anime have you? Compared to so many different characters I've seen, Ranka looks well her age. I would put her at age 14 at the least but shaving down 10 more years is an exaggeration. More recently, there's Toradora! with a female lead that looks like she's 5 or so. I really don't see how she looks as young as you claim.
Now, now, let's not drag poor Taiga into this, shall we?
More recently, there's Toradora! with a female lead that looks like she's 5 or so. I really don't see how she looks as young as you claim.
Sure, Taiga looks like a child... that I won't deny, because it was intentional in the character design. Hell, its the running gag throughout the entire show, novel and drama CDs.
But the difference? She was entertaining.
And while I won't exaggerate Ranka's age, she does look pretty damn young for her stated age regardless of any way I look at her.
Now, now, let's not drag poor Taiga into this, shall we?
Poor? Taiga?
Buddy, she'd fucking kill you.
- Tak
justavisitor
2009-05-21, 15:35
I don't think Ranka really looks that young tho
Normally I avoid watching anime that draws the female too young...I think characters in kanon look a bit too young...but Ranka Lee looks okay in macross
And Sheryl actually looks a bit too old there, sometimes (okay I open a can of worms here XD)
Now, now, let's not drag poor Taiga into this, shall we?
:heh: I just used her to state that there isn't really a problem with looking younger than their actual age.
Sure, Taiga looks like a child... that I won't deny, because it was intentional in the character design. Hell, its the running gag throughout the entire show, novel and drama CDs.
But the difference? She was entertaining.
And while I won't exaggerate Ranka's age, she does look pretty damn young for her stated age regardless of any way I look at her.
- Tak
But it's not like Ranka's character design was unintentional. Saying that Taiga was entertaining might be falling into subjectivity as well. I agree that she was entertaining in a comical sense though, I found Ranka entertaining for reasons that you probably hate/dislike her for. :heh:
Whether or not she looks younger than her age is not a problem when she is proven as a 16 year old.
deltaxxmintpie
2009-05-21, 16:06
I dont dislike ranka because of her appearance alone, first few episodes into the anime I honestly thought ranka was quite cute in comparison to Sheryl who was portrayed as good for nothing but all full of herself type. Then she gradually developed into a very lovable and entertaining character with all the qualities of a real woman (yes in a physical sense as well :p). Ranka on the other hand spent 3 quarter of her air time clinging onto others for both emotional and physical supports yet she got all the attention and care which made me thinking "Oh its orihime and her Ichigo kun jutsu all over again." :uhoh: :rolleyes:
I dont dislike ranka because of her appearance alone, first few episodes into the anime I honestly thought ranka was quite cute in comparison to Sheryl who was portrayed as good for nothing but all full of herself type. Then she gradually developed into a very lovable and entertaining character with all the qualities of a real woman (yes in a physical sense as well :p). Ranka on the other hand spent 3 quarter of her air time clinging onto others for both emotional and physical supports yet she got all the attention and care which made me thinking "Oh its orihime and her Ichigo kun jutsu all over again." :uhoh: :rolleyes:
Deja vu? Yeah I've heard that opinion plenty of times, just enough for it to be engraved on my mind. I've been into plenty of arguments about that as well so I'll leave it at that. You have your opinion and I have mine :heh:
justavisitor
2009-05-21, 16:20
not to say that I like orihime as well XD
while I am at it:
Shuffle--Kaede
Ichigo 100%--aya
I''s--the main heroine
Naruto--Sakura (is there any other female XD??)
To-love-ru--All girls
A town where you live (manga)--Eba
and the main heroine from cyber formula is also one of my favorite
willyvereb
2009-05-21, 16:34
The thing I disliked about Ranka her lack of responsibility(and that actually they rarely scolded her for her wrong doings...) and her weak character development. They could make Ranka to a decent characters but the Moe and directorial spoiling dug her grave for me. I hope she'll have a better development in the movie. With that i don't mind a proper Ranka X Alto end.(despite the fact that i am a Sheryl fan and Sherly X Alto supporter)
deltaxxmintpie
2009-05-21, 16:39
Naruto--Sakura (is there any other female XD??)
I like sakura too xD if i have to list my fav female characters:
Motoko Kusanagi (ghost in the shell), Real Mayer <3 (Ergo Proxy), Sabre (fate/stay night), Cz (scrapped princess), Shana (shakugan no shana), Lennert (Valkyrie profile), Shinku (rozen maiden), Astharoshe Asran (trinity blood), Sumeragi Lee Noriega (gundam 00) (the sexah woman, love her soooooo much), Soma Peries/Marie Perfacy (gundam 00), Misato (Neon genesis), Clare (claymore), Robin Sena (witch hunter robin), Sheryl (macross F)
can anyone spot similarities between those characters? :p
CC would have been in that list if I didnt stop watching code geass after first few episodes, can't stand the main lead at all.
xxangelchanxx
2009-05-21, 16:53
I like sakura too xD if i have to list my fav female characters:
Motoko Kusanagi (ghost in the shell), Real Mayer <3 (Ergo Proxy), Saber (fate/stay night), Cz (scrapped princess), Shana (shakugan no shana), Lennert (Valkyrie profile), Shinku (rozen maiden), Astharoshe Asran (trinity blood), Sumeragi Lee Noriega (gundam 00) (the sexah woman, love her soooooo much), Soma Peries/Marie Perfacy (gundam 00), Misato (Neon genesis), Clare (claymore), Robin Sena (witch hunter robin), Sheryl (macross F)
can anyone spot similarities between those characters? :p
CC would have been in that list if I didnt stop watching code geass after first few episodes, can't stand the main lead at all.
You're list is epic >: 3
Ah, the dreaded Ranka-looks-too-young-for-her-age-topic resurfaces. :heh:
And here I am joining in, lol.
Personally, the only beef I had with Ranka's character design when I first saw the series was how they were, IMHO, shoving a fruitcake on us (I mean loli body, flat-chested, green moving hair, fang, green cellphone mascot, cutesy nyan nyan dance, etc...) Thank God they didn't hire someone with one of those high-pitched loli voices... >.>
If she wasn't too much of a fruitcake, I prolly wouldn't mind if she looked 13-14 for her age. There's also the aspect of personality....coughMarySuecough...
Of course, Sheryl wasn't spared from me, too. XD
I mean when I saw her suspenders outfits. It was all tits and asses. XD
I labeled her as a prima donna bitch whore right away at the start of the series. :P
At the start, I supported Ranka (because if you were going to choose between a bitch and a sweet girl :heh:)...but then, I dunno...her personality just gradually grated on me. I won't go to the reasons as to why because I've posted it a lot of times in the Ranka thread. Then I find out that Sheryl isn't that a bitch, then that tender scene in episode 6...and the rest is as they say, history. ;)
"Oh its orihime and her Ichigo kun jutsu all over again."
I laughed so much at that. :heh: It should be 'Kurosaki-kun', by the way. :p
I honestly have nothing against Ranka's design at all, with the exception of her hair, as I'd like to see long, glorious green mane. :p Alas, Kawamori-san doesn't seem to agree, oh well.
I laughed so much at that. :heh: It should be 'Kurosaki-kun', by the way. :p
I honestly have nothing against Ranka's design at all, with the exception of her hair, as I'd like to see long, glorious green mane. :p Alas, Kawamori-san doesn't seem to agree, oh well.
Actually, I remember seeing a fan made pic of Ranka having long hair but her long hair was actually drawn pretty good (meaning, without the ear-shaped sides) :heh: Longer hair does look good on her, if it's drawn right that is :p
Actually, I remember seeing a fan made pic of Ranka having long hair but her long hair was actually drawn pretty good (meaning, without the ear-shaped sides) :heh: Longer hair does look good on her, if it's drawn right that is :p
Yes, it was I who posted that picture.
A more grown up, mature Ranka that does not arouse my suspicion and de-rouse my appetite.
- Tak
Yes, it was I who posted that picture.
A more grown up, mature Ranka that does not arouse my suspicion and de-rouse my appetite.
- Tak
Hmmm, do you mind posting the pic again on my visitor page? Because the picture I'm referring to was found somewhere else. That is if you still know where it is, otherwise never mind. I'm just curious to see if it's the same one that I saw.
justavisitor
2009-05-21, 22:33
I actually just like Ranka the way it is (look and other things altogether)
for those who say Ranka looks too young, just take a look at my avatar, she has a very mature look right there!!
Ranka can be drawn very beautifully in the series...if anything, I blame the inconsistent artwork..most of the time the character drawing is 70/100, sometimes the qualities are even lower, but when the staff draws it right, wow, a very beautiful looking Ranka appears in the tv screen
just my opinion
for those who say Ranka looks too young, just take a look at my avatar, she has a very mature look right there!!
Uh... ... ... :heh:
- Tak
justavisitor
2009-05-21, 22:54
well, Tak, that was my opinion...but seriously tho, if you still think that look in my avatar looks way too young then I don't know how to convince you :D...at least in my opinion, Ranka looks older than characters in kanon and clannad...
Ranka looks older than characters in kanon and clannad...
Uh... ... ... :heh: x2
You know, your avatar shows her with a washboard... its not exactly convincing. On the other hand, Clannad characters have... er... bust. Of course it also helps tremendously that they act as if they got a pair.
- Tak
justavisitor
2009-05-21, 23:08
I thought i said her look lol
so if you see a "washboard" in any anime, or well, real life, you will treat her as a loli regardless of her age??
you are quite dangerous indeed XD
so if you see a "washboard" in any anime, or well, real life, you will treat her as a loli regardless of her age??
you are quite dangerous indeed XD
Hi, I think you just failed reading comprehension. Please try again.
And don't drag other series in because you can't convince a majority of us. Thats just pathetic.
- Tak (but yes, I am dangerous...)
Hi, I think you just failed reading comprehension. Please try again.
And don't drag other series in because you can't convince a majority of us. Thats just pathetic.
- Tak (but yes, I am dangerous...)
Tak likes big...um, melons? Well either way, I don't mind size so much as long as there is something :heh: Although in that pic she looks like she's flat, she's really not :o
Although in that pic she looks like she's flat, she's really not :o
I wouldn't know, I was never too interested in personally finding them out. So if you did, more power to you. Although I personally prefer anything around or beyond a D cup.
To be honest, I don't think I've ever encountered an anime character that aroused such loathing and hatred on my part. So far, Ranka is the only one to ever done just that.
Sad, but true.
- Tak
I wouldn't know, I was never too interested in personally finding them out. So if you did, more power to you. Although I personally prefer anything around or beyond a D cup.
To be honest, I don't think I've ever encountered an anime character that aroused such loathing and hatred on my part. So far, Ranka is the only one to ever done just that.
Sad, but true.
- Tak
Well once I saw the figure that's on sale which Beto had put up recently, I found out that she wasn't completely flat >_>
Meh, I blame the overrated shipping this anime series has created. I've never actually seen such hardcore shipping created from an anime when I first arrived to these forums but I've learned a lot through my experiences ;) Honestly, it's overrated in my opinion but it can't be helped. :heh:
Although, the shipping in the Code Geass forums is pretty high strong but they're shipping an anime that has little to no romance what-so-ever.
Ranka looks older than characters in kanon and clannad...
Yes I agree, she does look older than Fuuko and flashback Ayu and Mai.
Honestly, it's overrated in my opinion but it can't be helped. :heh:
Oh boy, if you were here during the heydays of Gundam Seed/Destiny... I mean, if you have a show where a dead psycho bitch has a major fan base...
Although, the shipping in the Code Geass forums is pretty high strong but they're shipping an anime that has little to no romance what-so-ever.
Doesn't help when every now and then, the show would throw in some very suggestive situations.
Yes I agree, she does look older than Fuuko and flashback Ayu and Mai.
:heh:
- Tak
Ah, the dreaded Ranka-looks-too-young-for-her-age-topic resurfaces. :heh:
And here I am joining in, lol.
Personally, the only beef I had with Ranka's character design when I first saw the series was how they were, IMHO, shoving a fruitcake on us (I mean loli body, flat-chested, green moving hair, fang, green cellphone mascot, cutesy nyan nyan dance, etc...) Thank God they didn't hire someone with one of those high-pitched loli voices... >.>
My thoughts exactly. I don't mind Ranka being loli-type, underdeveloped with green (:rolleyes:) and, ack!, flappy hair. I do mind however her character. It's the one I dislike the most. I'd take any other before this one, any other. Personal preferences I guess.
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-22, 07:52
Oh boy, if you were here during the heydays of Gundam Seed/Destiny... I mean, if you have a show where a dead psycho bitch has a major fan base...
- Tak
And let's not forget about the BIG, literally net-quaking certain blonde WTF-ly revealed to be the twin of the main character and suddenly the-one-who-seemed-to-be-canon-in-the-end-in-WTF-way-too redhead younger sibling's fanshipwar... *Brrrr* D:
And to lesser extent, how disastorous a relationship that suddenly sprung up between a red-haired girl that was, like, interested in other man with a certain unjustifiedly-bast@rd-that-has-eternal-hot-blooded-head that was "presumed" to kill her sister. How and WHY they become the 4th (or 5th?) popular pairing in GSD(isaster) is just beyond what my fangirl brain can contain.
Not to mention "certain someone"'s comment about them being the only pairing with TRUE LOVE. You gotta wonder by then how Otome Games do not adapt this form of "true love". :innocent:
(Yes, Disaster DOES NOT exist in my eyes, thank you.)
Hey, I like Destiny tremendously, even more so than SEED, so nyah.
- Tak
deltaxxmintpie
2009-05-22, 08:23
I do mind however her character. It's the one I dislike the most.
Those were the words I was looking for - honestly I don't care what the looks are, its the personality that matters. Otherwise Shana from Shakugan and Shinku from rozen maiden will be the odd ones out in my fav female characters list:
Motoko Kusanagi (ghost in the shell), Real Mayer <3 (Ergo Proxy), Sabre (fate/stay night), Cz (scrapped princess), Shana (shakugan no shana), Lennert (Valkyrie profile), Shinku (rozen maiden), Astharoshe Asran (trinity blood), Sumeragi Lee Noriega (gundam 00) (the sexah woman, love her soooooo much), Soma Peries/Marie Perfacy (gundam 00), Misato (Neon genesis), Clare (claymore), Robin Sena (witch hunter robin), Sheryl (macross F)
OMG someone slap me please, how can I forget Yoruichi and Halibel? :upset:
xxangelchanxx
2009-05-22, 17:06
Yes I agree, she does look older than Fuuko and flashback Ayu and Mai.
I lol'd....
And let's not forget about the BIG, literally net-quaking certain blonde WTF-ly revealed to be the twin of the main character and suddenly the-one-who-seemed-to-be-canon-in-the-end-in-WTF-way-too redhead younger sibling's fanshipwar... *Brrrr* D:
And to lesser extent, how disastorous a relationship that suddenly sprung up between a red-haired girl that was, like, interested in other man with a certain unjustifiedly-bast@rd-that-has-eternal-hot-blooded-head that was "presumed" to kill her sister. How and WHY they become the 4th (or 5th?) popular pairing in GSD(isaster) is just beyond what my fangirl brain can contain.
Not to mention "certain someone"'s comment about them being the only pairing with TRUE LOVE. You gotta wonder by then how Otome Games do not adapt this form of "true love". :innocent:
(Yes, Disaster DOES NOT exist in my eyes, thank you.)
*Memories resurface* :eyespin:
Lostdreams
2009-05-25, 01:24
Honestly, I believe Ranka is hated so much because she lacks confidence as depicted in the earlier eps. Men like women with confidence. Also, I believe most people are prejudiced against her because of her looks. Honestly, switch Sheryl and Ranka's personalities and at least 70% of you would still love Sheryl.
That depends, really. Japan prefers submissive type and otaku's always go for moe / loli. When I say otaku I mean hardcore fans, not just those that like to watch an anime from time to time. I do believe that age has a significant impact on the choice though. I don't mean the physical age but the mental. Then again, there are many adults who don't like Sheryl's type of character.
Honestly, I believe Ranka is hated so much because she lacks confidence as depicted in the earlier eps. Men like women with confidence. Also, I believe most people are prejudiced against her because of her looks. Honestly, switch Sheryl and Ranka's personalities and at least 70% of you would still love Sheryl.
While there is nothing wrong with loli characters overall, one of the accusation against Ranka's character design is that she looks way too generic.
And I didn't make that one up, thats something Japanese fans have been saying for quite a while.
Unfortunately, character-wise, she is a very generic loli, as well. She is not witty like Hoshino Ruri, moody like Ayanami Rei or entertaining like Felli, she is the kind of girl I see pretty much... everyday. I hate to say it, but she is nothing special. Like what Ohnogi stated, which I will paraphrase, if you take Ranka's mike away, she is pretty much useless.
Japan prefers submissive type
Hardly, as we have almost an excessive exitence of tsundere archtypes these days. Even if we are talking about submissive types, I can't really think of anyone at all, maybe just Belldandy. On a second thought, she is not even submissive, she is just a Yamato Nadeshiko.
- Tak
I'm talking about society. The housewife in Japan is as common as rice. It's more like a character type that men prefer. It's changing though. The more Japan becomes an integral part of the world and the more young people follow other cultures the more the 'preferred' character type changes, or as seen in many harem animes, get an update in form of a tsundere or other type. The fact is that Japan grew with patriarch society system.
Also, tsundere is moe as well. It's very submissive. Dependant of the feelings her target provide them with. That's the base aspect of that archetype. Without it the character would just be considered a delinquent of some sorts. You can even look at it as a moe type with a little bit of spice just to have some variety.
wisteria233
2009-05-25, 02:14
Honestly, I believe Ranka is hated so much because she lacks confidence as depicted in the earlier eps. Men like women with confidence. Also, I believe most people are prejudiced against her because of her looks. Honestly, switch Sheryl and Ranka's personalities and at least 70% of you would still love Sheryl.
Actually no, if you had been paying attention to fandom throughout the course of this series, you would notice that most people actually disliked Sheryl at the beginning of the series. It was hard to find someone who had something positive to say about her character. Meanwhile Ranka had the most support, looks had nothing to do with that. Looking back on some posts with people commenting about Macross Frontier, people didn't start liking Sheryl until episode 18, where their comments about how she sick people should stay in bed, kinda bit them in the a$$. Then as the episodes when by and Sheryl kept growing people changed their opinion of her.
With Ranka though the opposite happened. While she did at the beginning of the series have the most support, despite being shy, withdrawn, dependent, and slightly selfish. The fans overlooked that. It wasn't till around episodes 17-19 when her naivety, dependency, and inability to speak out became one faults in personality. When she couldn't speak up to Grace about how she disagreed with the arrangement, after Grace asked her what she thought of it. Others were discerned by the fact that she didn't bother another person for a second opinion before accepting the role songtress of hope for Frontier. At that point in time the personality traits that people didn't mind became faults.
The episode that started all the Ranka hate in most of the Frontier fandom began in episode 20, and contrary to most Ranka fans believing that it was the Sheryl fans who started it actuality it was the fans of Michael and Klan Klan that (aka most people who watch this series) who blamed Ranka for not only Michael's death, but also because their OTP wouldn't be able to progress anymore. The hate had nothing to do with Sheryl, its just people started them when they became comparable which were during episodes 22-24, which is also when most Sheryl haters became her most loyal fans. So yeah Sheryl actually had next to nothing to do with the Ranka hate actually, since a lot of it started before many of those same people became Sheryl fans. So yeah at the beginning of the series a lot people were able to overlook the fact that Ranka shy and withdrawn personality.
I'm talking about society. The housewife in Japan is as common as rice. It's more like a character type that men prefer. It's changing though. The more Japan becomes an integral part of the world and the more young people follow other cultures the more the 'preferred' character type changes, or as seen in many harem animes, get an update in form of a tsundere or other type. The fact is that Japan grew with patriarch society system.
You sound as if Japan hasn't already integrated itself enough with the world :heh: (certainly more integrated to the world than say... the FRENCH!)
Rather than submissive, I prefer the term understanding. Or at least that is what compose the Japanese feminine archtype of Yamato Nadeshiko. The perfect Japanese woman is supposed to resolve her husband's troubles by not challenging her man directly, but by getting around the problem, yet still guide her husband along the way. That is however, not submissive.
Anyway, it is not easy to explain, but there is a reason why Japanese language protocol for women are so damn complicated.
That, and i doubt Harem Anime, being somewhat of a recent fad, would phase out anytime soon.
- Tak (And just a side note, the so-called Japanese housewives are... well, dwindling at an alarming rate. Then again, so is the population overall)
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-25, 02:29
While there is nothing wrong with loli characters overall, one of the accusation against Ranka's character design is that she looks way too generic.
- Tak
But Takky... Green-hair that can move is not your everyday attraction, no? :o
*Wonders when Takky see Regios though*
*Wonders when Takky see Regios though*
I discovered it when it had about 10 episodes... some accuse it for sporting relatively bland characters, I say there are times when we need some straightforward action adventure.
- Tak
You sound as if Japan hasn't already integrated itself enough with the world :heh: (certainly more integrated to the world than say... the FRENCH!)
Rather than submissive, I prefer the term understanding. Or at least that is what compose the Japanese feminine archtype of Yamato Nadeshiko. The perfect Japanese woman is supposed to resolve her husband's troubles by not challenging her man directly, but by getting around the problem, yet still guide her husband along the way. That is however, not submissive.
Yes, well, my major tends to get in the way of my common speaking habits and I use the terminology I'm used to the most. A quite common thing to do in my speciality ;) You can look at it that way as well. Psychology in Japan as well as the studies on the population are milelnias apart from what Europe and America managed to discover using their ... reservior of testing subjects.
Ranka looks as she looks. Maybe people expected something else from Kawamori?
magnuskn
2009-05-25, 03:02
Actually no, if you had been paying attention to fandom throughout the course of this series, you would notice that most people actually disliked Sheryl at the beginning of the series. It was hard to find someone who had something positive to say about her character. Meanwhile Ranka had the most support, looks had nothing to do with that. Looking back on some posts with people commenting about Macross Frontier, people didn't start liking Sheryl until episode 18, where their comments about how she sick people should stay in bed, kinda bit them in the a$$. Then as the episodes when by and Sheryl kept growing people changed their opinion of her.
With Ranka though the opposite happened. While she did at the beginning of the series have the most support, despite being shy, withdrawn, dependent, and slightly selfish. The fans overlooked that. It wasn't till around episodes 17-19 when her naivety, dependency, and inability to speak out became one faults in personality. When she couldn't speak up to Grace about how she disagreed with the arrangement, after Grace asked her what she thought of it. Others were discerned by the fact that she didn't bother another person for a second opinion before accepting the role songtress of hope for Frontier. At that point in time the personality traits that people didn't mind became faults.
The episode that started all the Ranka hate in most of the Frontier fandom began in episode 20, and contrary to most Ranka fans believing that it was the Sheryl fans who started it actuality it was the fans of Michael and Klan Klan that (aka most people who watch this series) who blamed Ranka for not only Michael's death, but also because their OTP wouldn't be able to progress anymore. The hate had nothing to do with Sheryl, its just people started them when they became comparable which were during episodes 22-24, which is also when most Sheryl haters became her most loyal fans. So yeah Sheryl actually had next to nothing to do with the Ranka hate actually, since a lot of it started before many of those same people became Sheryl fans. So yeah at the beginning of the series a lot people were able to overlook the fact that Ranka shy and withdrawn personality.
Uh, that is some revision of the timeline here, Wisteria. Sheryl emerged as a fan-favourite at episode 5 and stayed there until the end of the series. People were drawing battle-lines around episode 10, IIRC and *really* began to hate Ranka around episode 20 ( like you said ), but there was a lot of animosity towards here before that.
And you got to name me one Sheryl hater who became her greatest fan. At least one, because I sure as hell donīt remember anyone from this board. :D And I mean one who underwent that change between episodes 22-24, not before.
Anyone using Ranka's and Sheryl's looks to explain their popularity are just kidding themselves and being flat out ignorant. I'm sorry but many loli characters have been popular before and will continue to be. Last year you had Taiga from Toradora and Nagi from Kannagi, this year Yui from K-ON!, past popular loliish girls have been Shana, Nagi from Hayate, Louise, Nanoha, Fate.. god the list goes on. Looks are a factor (especially in initial impressions) but personality and actions means more. When I see countless Sheryl fans raving about Taiga and/or Nagi-sama it just makes this argument even more hilarious.
Actually no, if you had been paying attention to fandom throughout the course of this series, you would notice that most people actually disliked Sheryl at the beginning of the series. It was hard to find someone who had something positive to say about her character. Meanwhile Ranka had the most support, looks had nothing to do with that. Looking back on some posts with people commenting about Macross Frontier, people didn't start liking Sheryl until episode 18
As one of the few day 1 fans (puffs out chest) I have to agree to some extent with the stuff you said here. Ranka was clearly the more popular character at the start of Macross Frontier, in Japan and on English forums. The amount of bitching about Sheryl's character in the first episodes was just /facepalm. You had people whining about how she left her concert, even though she was ordered to by Frontier security (like they would let a famous idol from another colony run around and do something, quick ticket to getting fired :rolleyes: ) yet these same people ignored how Alto's reckless and pointless actions after wards got Ozma's right hand man Gilliam killed.
Anyway to get back on topic Sheryl was considered a stuff up conceited bitch by a lot of people and got a lot of undeserved flak. I saw a girl on ANN say she didn't like Sheryl because she reminded her of bitches from school.. needless to say she became a massive fan of Sheryl later on. The shift in popularity happened with episode 5 which probably put Sheryl ahead of Ranka in regards to fans for the first time on English forums. But at the time Ranka still had a lot of fans even though I thought to myself (or maybe I said so in the ep 5 thread, cbf looking) this immature display is surely an indicator of things to come. If you look at RandomC's blog post for episode 5 you'll see a hilarious amount of posts calling Sheryl a backstabbing bitch and Alto a betrayer to Ranka. Clearly us normal viewers missed episode 3.5 where Alto and Ranka got married :rolleyes:
From that point on Sheryl was on her way up and Ranka was going down, though episode 12 gave Ranka some momentum back I think she quickly squandered it by her actions afterwards. Sheryl's key popularity points were episode 5, her sickness around 12 (saw a lot of people feel sorry for in between the ZOMG KIRA posts) and episode 18-20.
magnuskn
2009-05-25, 03:29
Anyone using Ranka's and Sheryl's looks to explain their popularity are just kidding themselves and being flat out ignorant. I'm sorry but many loli characters have been popular before and will continue to be. Last year you had Taiga from Toradora and Nagi from Kannagi, this year Yui from K-ON!, past popular loliish girls have been Shana, Nagi from Hayate, Louise, Nanoha, Fate.. god the list goes on. Looks are a factor (especially in initial impressions) but personality and actions means more. When I see countless Sheryl fans raving about Taiga and/or Nagi-sama it just makes this argument even more hilarious.
And Felli-sempai! :D
As one of the few day 1 fans (puffs out chest) I have to agree to some extent with the stuff you said here. Ranka was clearly the more popular character at the start of Macross Frontier, in Japan and on English forums. The amount of bitching about Sheryl's character in the first episodes was just /facepalm. You had people whining about how she left her concert, even though she was ordered to by Frontier security (like they would let a famous idol from another colony run around and do something, quick ticket to getting fired :rolleyes: ) yet these same people ignored how Alto's reckless and pointless actions after wards got Ozma's right hand man Gilliam killed.
Anyway to get back on topic Sheryl was considered a stuff up conceited bitch by a lot of people and got a lot of undeserved flak. I saw a girl on ANN say she didn't like Sheryl because she reminded her of bitches from school.. needless to say she became a massive fan of Sheryl later on. The shift in popularity happened with episode 5 which probably put Sheryl ahead of Ranka in regards to fans for the first time on English forums. But at the time Ranka still had a lot of fans even though I thought to myself (or maybe I said so in the ep 5 thread, cbf looking) this immature display is surely an indicator of things to come. If you look at RandomC's blog post for episode 5 you'll see a hilarious amount of posts calling Sheryl a backstabbing bitch and Alto a betrayer to Ranka. Clearly us normal viewers missed episode 3.5 where Alto and Ranka got married :rolleyes:
From that point on Sheryl was on her up and Ranka was going down though episode 12 gave Ranka some momentum back I think she quickly squandered it by her actions afterwards. Sheryl's key popularity points were episode 5, her sickness around 12 (saw a lot of people feel sorry for in between the ZOMG KIRA posts) and episode 18-20.
Good to know that Westlo and I got the same recollections of what happened. :)
Well, I was one Sheryl hater. Look at me now. :D
You won't see my progress here, as I probably only started posting around episode 17 or 18, because I had honestly dropped the series and recently started watching it again, marathoning it up to that point. I didn't like Sheryl even past the Ranka rescue in episode 12 (I honestly thought she played dirty getting Alto to go with her to Gallia IV, then) - but isn't hindsight a beauty?
So, I'm one of the rare examples of Sheryl haters converted to fans. :D
wisteria233
2009-05-25, 07:10
Uh, that is some revision of the timeline here, Wisteria. Sheryl emerged as a fan-favourite at episode 5 and stayed there until the end of the series. People were drawing battle-lines around episode 10, IIRC and *really* began to hate Ranka around episode 20 ( like you said ), but there was a lot of animosity towards here before that.
And you got to name me one Sheryl hater who became her greatest fan. At least one, because I sure as hell donīt remember anyone from this board. :D And I mean one who underwent that change between episodes 22-24, not before.
Thing is I wasn't just talking about this board, I meant overall. Since I have an account in different forums, I was able to gauge their reactions , and in most of them the MF watchers didn't start despising Ranka until episode 20. Welsey who used to be here was also a member one of those forums there too, he must have felt right at home for a while because everyone there hated liked Ranka and hated Sheryl. Then cue episodes 18-24, the members of that same forum began to really hate Ranka and love Sheryl. Even after episode 5 there were still people,and boards that outright hated Sheryl.
I noticed the same thing happened in another MF series thread on other forums as well.
Sheryl hate or not, popularity or not, I gave her my support since the first episode of Frontier whether or not she was going to win the triangle or become one of the most popular characters of the year.
You could call that a gamble, but it turns out I was right, that is all.
- Tak
willyvereb
2009-05-25, 10:40
It's natural...many people thought that Sheryl's a backstabber because her moves on Alto were almost always a success.
To be honest I though at first that Sheryl is just a plot device for Ranka's development and an "angel of love" between Ranka and Alto. It was about until ep 11-12 when it's proven for me that Sheryl is dead-serious and it's a real triangle(about true triangle i mean when both sides have a fair amount of chance to win and all 3 serious about it[for example don't just plays with the other]). When Sheryl is started to feel worser and worser and Ranka has risen as a star then i thought: " Now it's time for Ranka to strike". But actually after ep 12 I rooted for both sides. It lasted until ep 18 where i thought: "convient way to dispose of the rivally, huh?"I expected that Ranka will shine with that(thanks to her a "miracle cure" developed or found and Sheryl is saved) but more and more time lasted and there's still no word about the cure...Instead we've got some Sheryl "shining moments" with Sheryl when she showed her strenght. Ep 21 totally domolished my hopes about the cure and ensured for me(even if temporal) pairing between Sheryl and Alto. I expected a tragic ending maybe with a bittersweet Ranka-Alto reunion in the end. actually ep 20 made me root for her more and more because there were a HUGE lack in Ranka's development. But actually the time when i could consider myself a Sheryl fan was after i rewatched the whole show(with serious focus on characters and their interactions).
Then who woose fan were i am exactly while i watched the show? Actually no one's.
Sheryl hate or not, popularity or not, I gave her my support since the first episode of Frontier whether or not she was going to win the triangle or become one of the most popular characters of the year.
You could call that a gamble, but it turns out I was right, that is all.
- Tak
The prediction of yours is working on other kinds of gamble too? Then I could use your help in some of my bets:p
The prediction of yours is working on other kinds of gamble too? Then I could use your help in some of my bets:p
They usually work. So far, my predictions worked on SEED, even if it took more than half of the series to reveal it (even before the revelations of the poster couple), on KGNE, To Heart II (no resolution, because Tama-ne was easily the most popular pairing)... etc.
Seriously, with some research, you probably have a good idea how the shipping will end up. Not that I care much about shipping besides Frontier, but its a good way to kill time.
- Tak
willyvereb
2009-05-25, 12:44
I meant other gambles. Like sports...:D
Actually many series's romantical development is somewhat like it's decided on the first episode/chapter.
For example almost any harem manga and much of the non-harem romances's outcome is already foreshadowed on the first episode. It's really not so hard to guess.
For example i figured out that Sheryl will be popular even if she has less screentime after episode 1, but i didn't dare to bet that she'll be the most popular from MF.(actually we have a bishounen with questionable looks[alto], MOEnster Ranka, a settled down Roy Focker too...They could've stole the 1st place...especially Ranka)
magnuskn
2009-05-25, 14:56
Sheryl hate or not, popularity or not, I gave her my support since the first episode of Frontier whether or not she was going to win the triangle or become one of the most popular characters of the year.
You could call that a gamble, but it turns out I was right, that is all.
- Tak
She had my support since the moment she appeared. "Strawberry Pie-wa...". But she surpassed all expectations, to become the best female character I ever saw in anime.
Sheryl ganbatte!
Clearly us normal viewers missed episode 3.5 where Alto and Ranka got married :rolleyes:
He watched it forty-two times.
Tsuchiro
2009-06-11, 13:38
July NT polls:
Male:
1. Edward Elric
2. Lelouch
3. Kyon
4. Tiera Erde
5. Date Masamune
6. Roy Mustang
7. Kira Yamato
8. Sakata Gintoki
9. Setsuna F Seiei
10. Tomoya Okazaki
Female:
1. C.C
2. Akiyama Mio
3. Hirasawa Yui
4. Suzumiya Haruhi
5. Riza Hawkeye
6. Sheryl Nome
7. Yuki Nagato
8. Lacus Clyne
9. Winry Rockbell
10. Kuniko Hojo
Ed finally topped Lelouch..
Finally! Someone takes Lelouch's place. :heh:
Also, how nice it is to see to see that Sheryl is still in the polls. ;)
Finally! Someone takes Lelouch's place. :heh:
Also, how nice it is to see to see that Sheryl is still in the polls. ;)
Its also very nice to see Lacus and Kira still in the poll after x years! :p
- Tak
^ I actually can't imagine them NOT being in the polls. XD
Great to see Sheryl having staying power.
July NT polls:
Male:
1. Edward Elric
2. Lelouch
Ed finally topped Lelouch..
Hahahahahhahaha, Cheesie you failed, I was right.
Great to see Sheryl having staying power.
Hahahahahhahaha, Cheesie you failed, I was right.
Cheesie didn't see that coming? :twitch: Really?!
Cheesie! What is wrong with you!!
- Tak
Tsuchiro
2009-06-11, 23:34
Cheesie didn't see that coming? :twitch: Really?!
Cheesie! What is wrong with you!!
- Tak
Yaoi Withdrawal!
Yaoi Withdrawal!
Yeah, I guess Ed just wasn't Yaoi enough for her :D
- Tak
You kidding? She's more than likely an Ed x Roy shipper... :heh:
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-06-12, 00:17
Yeah, I guess Ed just wasn't Yaoi enough for her :D
- Tak
Takky, the truth is that she is seriously, secretly a LelouchxHarem shipper to the point that Lelouch death cause her so much grief (as well as SuzaxLulu ho yay twisted sheningan) and made her blind to the obvious fact, like how a certain person deny witches that definitely exist! :(
(I was gonna comment on that before but save it for threatened to be beheaded Westlo to claim his victory first :p)
Though I do remember she "was" (... Or still "is?) a RoyxEd shipper. Though she had not stated it in red!
Lulu's legions of underlings have failed him in such a disastrous scale. To think the majestic drama queen would be toppled so spectacularly when he hasn't even reigned for a full year! This is blasphemy, much like young Westlo.
Natsu's red lines have about as much accuracy as the stuff in Uncyclopedia, for I was nodding in approval when Suzaku rammed it into Lulu with all he's got.
You kidding? She's more than likely an Ed x Roy shipper...
A-Ahem, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about! :heh:
She puts on a brave face now but she was like this when she saw the poll.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/kayatears.jpg
Back on topic Sheryl ranked on another poll... this one about a Ranking of Anime Characters As a Marriage Partners... (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=91086) lol... no Ranka of course.
Back on topic Sheryl ranked on another poll... this one about a Ranking of Anime Characters As a Marriage Partners... (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=91086) lol... no Ranka of course.
Most of them have two things in common.
1. Either extremely quiet and mysterious or 2. Totally independent and strong or possessing tsundere features.
Not initially surprising until I discovered that...
Rei Ayanami didn't make it, but Asuka did?
Wow? Really? Rei didn't make it? She was the one and only anime sex symbol of the 90s!
And even more surprising is the fact that none of the CC characters are on the list, nor is Lacus Clyne or Kira Yamato!
- Tak
rei_lied
2009-06-13, 21:26
Most of them have two things in common.
Rei Ayanami didn't make it, but Asuka did?
Wow? Really? Rei didn't make it? She was the one and only anime sex symbol of the 90s!
I was also shocked! I'm sure Rei fans are now going crazy. I noticed that the most of the characters on the list are from newer animes. I wonder if they just surveyed young people who are either very young or who have already forgotten the old animes. Well, Evangelion is not relatively that old since they have Rebuild of Evangelion. Oh well...
Don't diss Asuka. :D
I, for one, always preferred her spunky damaged-goods attitude over Rei's monotone. And I'd wager she was on par with Rei, in terms of popularity, even when the anime aired originally - also, she does have appeal towards a wider margin of viewers too, I'd guess.
And I always thought she was the more recognized sex-symbol of Evangelion. I mean, I can sorta understand Rei's appeal, but... to me, it was always about Asuka.
And I always thought she was the more recognized sex-symbol of Evangelion. I mean, I can sorta understand Rei's appeal, but... to me, it was always about Asuka.
Regardless of our preferences, I cannot deny the fact that Rei was the de-facto moe-symbol of the 90s. Certainly when EVA first launched, it was all about her and almost no one else.
- Tak
Well, I wasn't around the internet all that much back then... But here, when it showed up on bootlegs (and later on TV), it was all about Asuka, really.
Rei was actually remembered more because of Megumi Hayashibara, around these parts...
Well, I wasn't around the internet all that much back then...
Thats because I was in Japan then ;)
And boy...
- Tak
Neon Genesis Reivangelion sounds better than Neon Genesis Asukagelion, lol ;)
Seriously though, has Rebuild 2 been released already? Rebuild 2 will definitely be the entrance of Asuka.
It's out very soon, latest trailer looked great.
Wow, now I'm really intrigued, trailer hunting time. I've been hyped up with this "re-take" of Eva ever since I read about it.
Edit: Just saw it, awesome man!
Darknemo2000
2009-06-21, 18:37
I'm talking about society. The housewife in Japan is as common as rice. It's more like a character type that men prefer. It's changing though. The more Japan becomes an integral part of the world and the more young people follow other cultures the more the 'preferred' character type changes, or as seen in many harem animes, get an update in form of a tsundere or other type. The fact is that Japan grew with patriarch society system.
Also, tsundere is moe as well. It's very submissive. Dependant of the feelings her target provide them with. That's the base aspect of that archetype. Without it the character would just be considered a delinquent of some sorts. You can even look at it as a moe type with a little bit of spice just to have some variety.
Very insightful post. The changing trend in character archetype is quite noticeable. Before in Japan the perfect submissive/kind housewife was the top model and usually was the leading female character, but with time society understanding seems to change which is reflected in Tsundere archetype popularity.
Sure tsundere has other points - are moe and so on, but you can't argue that they are more strong than housewife archetype before and arguably more independent as well.
We can see it Evangelion characters. Rei is mysterious girl but she also has the silent submissiveness in her as well which is different from Asuka's independent nature. And there was no equality between Rei's and Asuka's popularity - it was ten years ago but I still remember well how Rei dominated Asuka in Japan very clearly.
Now it is changing, Rei and Asuka are become more equal in terms of popularity, and not in western world where it almost always was this way, but in Japan as well which also in my opinion proves that stronger/modern women type becomes more and more trendy in anime.
Sheryl is also more of a modern woman type, which is independent and strong (yet has weak side too). Ranka relies mostly on Moe factor - as in terms of character itself she doesnt have much to offer, and with more modern look into females role in society in Japan it is no wonder that Sheryl dominates over Ranka (though the episodes starting from 20 did not help Ranka very much too).
To tell the truth a tsundere 'boom' which started somewhere around 2005-2006 was expected to end in two years time, but seeing how it still is going strong, we can expect even more tsundere characters pop out in the future, for better or worse.
P.S. Voted for Sheryl, naturally. Hands down the best character in Macross F.
To be fair, tsundere attributes are a stable in the Macross universe, and has little to do with the alleged recent popularity of tsundere characteristics. Let us not forget, the first and foremost tsundere heroine was Misa Hayase, followed by a certain Milia Janius.
Regardless, the perfect housewife characteristic is still very popular. Lets not forget Ah! My Goddess and a certain harem maid series.
Speaking of EVA, while living in Japan during 96 ~ 97... Rei was clearly everywhere. She was on billboards, signs, magazines ... well, just about everything really.
- Tak
Darknemo2000
2009-06-21, 19:34
I never said that we did not have had any tsunderes before. You are very right , Tak - Tsunderes characters have long history after all, yet their popularity is still fairly recent.
Ah! My Goddess is rather old series so no wonder about Bell. This type is still popular enough in Japan but not as it was lets say 8 years ago, simply because we have an increased interest in stronger more independent women now than it was before.
And yes Rei-mania was everywhere. Rei still beats Asuka in some polls in Japan, but it is also the fact that Asuka with time was getting more and more popularity while Rei was starting to loose some. There is no more one sided Rei dominance over Asuka as it was in the beginning. In western, of course they both had more or less equal popularity to begin with, and Asuka even winning quite a few polls (which in japan in 96-97 would be something unimaginable).
Evangeleon is still popular even before Rebuild's spark and both heroines still have fair ratings (for characters from old animes), not to mention that Asuka was one of the first really famous tsundere characters (her being a tsundere definitely helps with the whole recent tsundere popularity trend).
I never said that we did not have had any tsunderes before.
A little correction, I also never mentioned you stating anything about not having tsunderes before. I was merely pointing out the fact that this tsundere phenomenon is absolutely nothing new to Macross. Let us also not forget that Misa Hayase was once character of the year in the Grand Prix and that was back in '83.
As for other media in the 80s? Well, there were Gundam, Macross, Doraemon and Dragon Ball. For the rest? I didn't really give a shit. Hell, all the wives in Dragon Ball were tsundere.
But I have to also point out, Rei-type characters are still very popular and on par with many archtypes today. After all, how can anyone forget CC?
Then there are some who I cannot categorize, like Lacus Clyne.
- Tak
justinstrife
2009-06-24, 00:31
Ahh... Good old Misa. She was my favorite from the beginning in the original Macross. It's no accident that 24 years later, her character type is still my favorite.
Darknemo2000
2009-06-27, 18:55
I would classify CC closer to tsundere rather than just Rei-type, because of the way she verbally abuses Lulu and still has some mixed feelings about him.
I liked misa the most in original as well. Weird, justinstrife, we usually disagree with each other but in Macross and Macross F our tastes pretty much match.
Death Header
2009-06-29, 21:51
Well, since this thread is here, I voted for Ranka Lee, Ozma, and Leon.
Leon gets my vote because he seemed to be an unpredictable (and awesome) villain, and he didn't let up until the end of the series. I just wish Leon could've done more harm before getting arrested by the Intergalactic Space Force.
Ranka Lee also gets my vote because really, that green hair and the signature "nyan nyan" thing is just awesome. Unlike Sheryl, she wasn't really angsty and whiny until later in the series, which by that time I could understand why Ranka Lee was upset. :eyespin:
forgottendiary
2009-07-04, 05:48
Because I was having too much fun over at irc:
forgottendiary: !fight sheryl vs ranka
[6:46pm] THORADOGWATCH: By results on Google: sheryl beats ranka by 13,700,000 to 5,070,000!
:heh:
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