View Full Version : Romance in Code Geass (Take 3)
Slick_rick
2008-08-23, 20:22
I don't agree with the notion that if Kallen or C.C weren't in Lelouch life or the rebellion didn't start he would have gotten with Shirley. Lelouch always has lived in the darker side of the world. Whether it be underground gambling or just plan being a troublemaker. Lelouch isn't the type to not be plotting something or involved in some sort of danger. Shirley can't live in his type of world (shown clearly in the show) and he can't live in her world without feeling repressed. He's not the type to settle down in a 9 to 5 job and pump out 2.5 kids.
Just because C.C and Kallen aren't there I don't see his feelings of friendship for Shirley suddenly becoming more. No matter how much someone tries or wishes it's hard to make another person feelings change. This isn't about just eliminating the others girl and making Lelouch pick Shirley due to the process of elimination. Thats not how love works. I don't see him going for Shirley also due to the differences in their personalities and lifestyles choices. Rebellion or not Lelouch is still Lelouch.
I don't agree with the notion that if Kallen or C.C weren't in Lelouch life or the rebellion didn't start he would have gotten with Shirley. Lelouch always has lived in the darker side of the world. Whether it be underground gambling or just plan being a troublemaker. Lelouch isn't the type to not be plotting something or involved in some sort of danger. Shirley can't live in his type of world (shown clearly in the show) and he can't live in her world without feeling repressed. He's not the type to settle down in a 9 to 5 job and pump out 2.5 kids.
Just because C.C and Kallen aren't there I don't see his feelings of friendship for Shirley suddenly becoming more. No matter how much someone tries or wishes it's hard to make another person feelings change. This isn't about just eliminating the others girl and making Lelouch pick Shirley due to the process of elimination. Thats not how love works. I don't see him going for Shirley also due to the differences in their personalities and lifestyles choices. Rebellion or not Lelouch is still Lelouch.
I think what I was talking about (and possibly Var, but I don't want to speak for him) is that had Lelouch simply been living a normal life without the constant idea of trying to achieve a revolution, he would of never met CC, and theres a good chance he wouldn't of become interested in Kallen. Shirley and Lelouch were notably the closest of the student council, and we can argue that he definitly cared about her more than all the other people at Ashford (especially if you remove CC and Kallen from the equation). So, I believe he wouldn't of been leading the troublemakers life in general, and would quite possibly fallen for Shirley. We know damn well she'd of fallen for him. ;)
Edit: I believe Var and I also share the opinion that we are not supporting Shirley x Lelouch in any way, we were simply agreeing on the fact that hypothetically, had the story gone a certain way, Lelouch would have chosen Shirley. I believe we both fully understand that its possible to rewrite the story in numerous ways to guarantee that he ends up with our girl of choice etc.
Slick_rick
2008-08-23, 20:40
I think what I was talking about (and possibly Var, but I don't want to speak for him) is that had Lelouch simply been living a normal life without the constant idea of trying to achieve a revolution, he would of never met CC, and theres a good chance he wouldn't of become interested in Kallen. Shirley and Lelouch were notably the closest of the student council, and we can argue that he definitly cared about her more than all the other people at Ashford (especially if you remove CC and Kallen from the equation). So, I believe he wouldn't of been leading the troublemakers life in general, and would quite possibly fallen for Shirley. We know damn well she'd of fallen for him. ;)
We see Lelouch going to underground gambling and club after his memories were changed. Even before he went there not because of the rebellion but because he enjoyed it. He enjoys chess and the challenge of defeating tough opponents. Even living a normal life Lelouch would still be a person who would be bored with the normal stuff in life. He almost certainly enjoys the danger to some extent. I don't see him not being a troublemaker. Someone like him seeks out danger.
Even if Lelouch is close to the student council. He always shown to do as he pleases. He is closer to them than other students but even still it more distant than a normal student would be to their friends. Mindwiped Lelouch was skipping classes while Shirley was worrying over him. He didn't shown concern or care. He was bored so he left. Saying that Lelouch feelings for Shirley would change if his past was different would be like changing Lelouch into different person.
Edit: I believe Var and I also share the opinion that we are not supporting Shirley x Lelouch in any way, we were simply agreeing on the fact that hypothetically, had the story gone a certain way, Lelouch would have chosen Shirley. I believe we both fully understand that its possible to rewrite the story in numerous ways to guarantee that he ends up with our girl of choice etc.
Edit- I think you hypothetical is flawed due to not taking the person into account. Lelouch would still be similar in personality even if some of his past was changed. Sure the story could be rewritten so he ends up with her. But logically him ending up with her with what was shown of both of them in CG doesn't make sense to me.
We see Lelouch going to underground gambling and club after his memories were changed. Even before he went there not because of the rebellion but because he enjoyed it. He enjoys chess and the challenge of defeating tough opponents. Even living a normal life Lelouch would still be a person who would be bored with the normal stuff in life. He almost certainly enjoys the danger to some extent. I don't see him not being a troublemaker. Someone like him seeks out danger.
Even if Lelouch is close to the student council. He always shown to do as he pleases. He is closer to them than other students but even still it more distant than a normal student would be to their friends. Mindwiped Lelouch was skipping classes while Shirley was worrying over him. He didn't shown concern or care. He was bored so he left. Saying that Lelouch feelings for Shirley would change if his past was different would be like changing Lelouch into different person.
Well, that's basically what we were arguing. I don't think Var or I was implying that you can simply change one aspect of Lelouch's personalty (a huge aspect) and him being relatively the same person, I was simply pointing out the story could have gone in any direction depending on how it was written. To me, I just feel that Lelouch would have eventually chosen Shirley had he not met CC or became involved with Kallen and the Black Knights.
Slick_rick
2008-08-23, 20:54
Well, that's basically what we were arguing. I don't think Var or I was implying that you can simply change one aspect of Lelouch's personalty (a huge aspect) and him being relatively the same person, I was simply pointing out the story could have gone in any direction depending on how it was written. To me, I just feel that Lelouch would have eventually chosen Shirley had he not met CC or became involved with Kallen and the Black Knights.
So basically what you're saying is that if they changed Lelouch character around so that he isn't even Lelouch anymore then Lelouchxshirley could work? While I agree with you I don't see the point. Why not just change around his character design so he ends up with Milly or Nina or hell Rivals?
So basically what you're saying is that if they changed Lelouch character around so that he isn't even Lelouch anymore then Lelouchxshirley could work? While I agree with you I don't see the point. Why not just change around his character design so he ends up with Milly or Nina or hell Rivals?
Yes, that is possible. But I also agree that Lelouch's current character would of ending up with Shirley without the introduction of CC and Kallen, even if he was still seeking a rebellion again Britannia.
morbosfist
2008-08-23, 21:00
If for nothing else than her dedication to making Lelouch hers, at least after episode 12 in the second season, you may be right about that.
Lilithium
2008-08-23, 21:02
I would love to see CC and the Pizza Hut thingy make love. I mean, imagine it, they are perfect for each other. ^_^ It's cute!
I would love to see CC and the Pizza Hut thingy make love. I mean, imagine it, they are perfect for each other. ^_^ It's cute!
Thingy? The stuffed animal? LoL.
morbosfist
2008-08-23, 21:04
"Cheese-kun" is the name, and he already has a girlfriend.
Im curious why that was in spoiler tags? :D
Slick_rick
2008-08-23, 21:09
Yes, that is possible. But I also agree that Lelouch's current character would of ending up with Shirley without the introduction of CC and Kallen, even if he was still seeking a rebellion again Britannia.
O.K. at least know I can understand your logic but I can't agree with you. Even without C.C and Kallen, Shirley has never been shown to be able to live in his world. I think this is a major issue. Not to mention that he just thinks of her as a friend throughout the show even with her knowing him longer than both C.C and Kallen. If the rebellion had happen without C.C and Kallen he still would have kept her at arms length like all his other friends. Every time she tries to get into his world he comes out getting messed up. She unlike C.C and Kallen would have no way to support him in the war. She could be there for moral support but I don't think he'd like that. Cheerleaders aren't necessary for war.
Either way with a rebellion it would be hard for her to be involved with his darker side which is needed to understand Lelouch as a person. This is ignoring the fact that Shirley in my opinion isn't the type of girl he would go for. But that just my personal opinion.
Megacrash Gr
2008-08-23, 21:13
Shirly Has a special feeling other wit the rest of the girls
O.K. at least know I can understand your logic but I can't agree with you. Even without C.C and Kallen, Shirley has never been shown to be able to live in his world. I think this is a major issue. Not to mention that he just thinks of her as a friend throughout the show even with her knowing him longer than both C.C and Kallen. If the rebellion had happen without C.C and Kallen he still would have kept her at arms length like all his other friends. Every time she tries to get into his world he comes out getting messed up. She unlike C.C and Kallen would have no way to support him in the war. She could be there for moral support but I don't think he'd like that. Cheerleaders aren't necessary for war.
Either way with a rebellion it would be hard for her to be involved with his darker side which is needed to understand Lelouch as a person. This is ignoring the fact that Shirley in my opinion isn't the type of girl he would go for. But that just my personal opinion.
Well, from my standpoint, it would be the kind of love story where the man leaves to go fight in the war, etc and then returns after completing his goal to the woman he loves. My main argument is that even though his life style at 16 wasn't exactly right for a relationship with Shirley, after he went off and defeating his father etc, or became the Britannian Emperor we can argue he would of returned to Shirley in the end.
Megacrash Gr
2008-08-23, 21:16
leloch and shirly in the and? for my point it is either C.C or kallen
leloch and shirly in the and? for my point it is either C.C or kallen
No, Shirley is dead. I was arguing that had Lelouch not met CC or Kallen he would of ended up with Shirley. I personally am a CC x Lelouch shipper. :)
Slick_rick
2008-08-23, 21:20
Well, from my standpoint, it would be the kind of love story where the man leaves to go fight in the war, etc and then returns after completing his goal to the woman he loves. My main argument is that even though his life style at 16 wasn't exactly right for a relationship with Shirley, after he went off and defeating his father etc, or became the Britannian Emperor we can argue he would of returned to Shirley in the end.
If you overlook the fact that he didn't have any romantic feelings for her, sure. It be a unrequited love story where a man leaves to go fight in the war, etc and then return after completing his goal to the woman who fawns over him and he doesn't notice. What a beautiful story.:heh:
Then he later meets the woman of his dreams and forgets the other girl name. Simply beautiful!:cool:
Megacrash Gr
2008-08-23, 21:20
i know she dead i was thinking if she was alive:P
If you overlook the fact that he didn't have any romantic feelings for her, sure. It be a unrequited love story where a man leaves to go fight in the war, etc and then return after completing his goal to the woman who fawns over him and he doesn't notice. What a beautiful story.:heh:
Then he later meets the woman of his dreams and forgets the other girl name. Simply beautiful!:cool:
LoL, we're arguing over something stupid. Lets change the subject, neither side has anything to gain.
i know she dead i was thinking if she was alive:P
No, LoL, we were arguing Shirley would of been with Lelouch had CC and Kallen not become involved with him. I believe Var supports Kallen x Lelouch, and I support CC x Lelouch.
Megacrash Gr
2008-08-23, 21:25
oh sry my bad:P
oh sry my bad:P
No problem! Now you are up to date with our discussion :)
Lilithium
2008-08-23, 21:34
"Cheese-kun" is the name, and he already has a girlfriend.
Cheese-kun x CC forever!
Cheese-kun x CC forever!
HEY! Cheese-kun already has a harem inside Pizza Hut.
Sprite_Coke
2008-08-23, 23:42
Not trying to be a downer, I'm a KaLulu fan actually, but you can't deny that Lelouch is going to end up alone in the end.
morbosfist
2008-08-23, 23:43
Not trying to be a downer, I'm a KaLulu fan actually, but you can't deny that Lelouch is going to end up alone in the end.Sure we can, because there's no proof. Just because Geass is a power that isolates doesn't mean Lelouch can't overcome it.
Sure we can, because there's no proof. Just because Geass is a power that isolates doesn't mean Lelouch can't overcome it.
Yeah! Fuck that adversity! Rise up Lelouch!
Masterkeyes2
2008-08-24, 01:13
LoL, we're arguing over something stupid. Lets change the subject, neither side has anything to gain.
No, LoL, we were arguing Shirley would of been with Lelouch had CC and Kallen not become involved with him. I believe Var supports Kallen x Lelouch, and I support CC x Lelouch.
And I support C.C.xKallen...but I digress.
I believe the ending as to who Lelouch may end up with or end up alone is still open, IMO at least. If he doesn't die when its all over he may end up with somebody, providing he isn't immortal.
I also want to touch up on the "Isolation of the Geass users". For the most part it seems the isolation steams from the fact that some of the Geass users end up being attached to there contractors who just want to use them to end their own life. The reason for their attachment is the Geass.
Mao for example can hear everyones thoughts except for C.C., thus he wishes to be with C.C. since she is the only one he can hope for a normal relationship.
C.C. ended up attached to the Sister because her Geass didn't make the Sister "fall in love with her" so there was no false attachments.
Lelouch's own Geass has tried to isolate him in the past, by his own use of course, the SAZ incident, Shirley in a way. However he has managed to overcome it and struggle against it.
Thats why I believe Lelouch has a fighting chance to overcome isolation. Because he can struggle against it.
And I support C.C.xKallen...but I digress.
I believe the ending as to who Lelouch may end up with or end up alone is still open, IMO at least. If he doesn't die when its all over he may end up with somebody, providing he isn't immortal.
I also want to touch up on the "Isolation of the Geass users". For the most part it seems the isolation steams from the fact that some of the Geass users end up being attached to there contractors who just want to use them to end their own life. The reason for their attachment is the Geass.
Mao for example can hear everyones thoughts except for C.C., thus he wishes to be with C.C. since she is the only one he can hope for a normal relationship.
C.C. ended up attached to the Sister because her Geass didn't make the Sister "fall in love with her" so there was no false attachments.
Lelouch's own Geass has tried to isolate him in the past, by his own use of course, the SAZ incident, Shirley in a way. However he has managed to overcome it and struggle against it.
Thats why I believe Lelouch has a fighting chance to overcome isolation. Because he can struggle against it.
Well half of the series is based on Lelouch breaking the trend.
We find out more and more that the Geass is a curse that leaves the user alone in the end. It always has, and it always should... But for once we're seeing that it's possible that the trend can be broken.
Lelouch is the smartest person to use a Geass (along with Charles but... He's also a complete idiot somehow at the same time) and he has powerful friends. Kallen is nearly impossible to defeat as is Suzaku, and she's a devoted follower of Lelouch, as well as a highly potential lover. Just as well, she's already been hit with the Geass to make her give him information that later would lead to their being colleagues. Kallen actually owes the Geass in a sense for giving her Lelouch. If he had not used the Geass, he may have never known that Kallen would be the greatest Knightmare pilot we've ever seen.
Thus, in a way... No matter what he does as long as Kallen breathes and cares for Lelouch he could be stuck with her. Thus, the trend of loneliness is broken.
Yeah, well, all I'm going to say is there is going to be some serious trolling going on in this thread when a shipped couple finally gets confirmation.
Dream_Traveller
2008-08-24, 02:45
Don't quite think she's the greatest pilot, Traece, but I'll digress.
Yeah, well, all I'm going to say is there is going to be some serious trolling going on in this thread when a shipped couple finally gets confirmation.
sadly, I think hardly any confirmation would be definitive short of "I love you" coming out of Lelouch's mouth. >_>
Cal-Reflector
2008-08-24, 04:30
Marianne = Anya?
In that case, Marianne-Lelouch is my new favorite couple, lol. That will be an awkward conversation after all these years.
Lulu: "I thought you were dead!"
Marianne: "Nope."
Lulu: "Nunally, my friends, everything, what was it for?"
Marianne: "So I could reclaim my youth in the form of a fresh young body."
Fruit Punch Samurai
2008-08-24, 04:37
Marianne = Anya?
In that case, Marianne-Lelouch is my new favorite couple, lol. That will be an awkward conversation after all these years.
Lulu: "I thought you were dead!"
Marianne: "Nope."
Lulu: "Nunally, my friends, everything, what was it for?"
Marianne: "So I could reclaim my youth in the form of a fresh young body."
Wow, sounds like Dante from Full Metal Alchemist
C.C. got her memory back. This is something I had expected back when episode 15 aired, but then that damn magazine article that said Charles took C.C.'s code threw me off and made me think she might not get her memories back. From ep. 20 it seems she sealed her code and memories herself. Charles didn't do anything to her.
I'm glad the good old C.C. is back though, even if it does mean the chances for CluClu have increased once again. They gave her memories back early enough so there is time for CluClu development.
Disappointed that we got hardly any Kallen this episode. I really wanted her to go after Lelouch. Now I wonder where KaLuLu stands...if they keep them apart much longer things can't be good.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 08:55
Maybe we are supposed to consider the Lelouch/Kallen dynamic as being resolved? Maybe the incident in episode 19 was it. Kallen now knows that Lelouch was sincere about her and that everything wasn't a game after all. It's a question that has plagued her all series, and it was answered in episode 19. End game.
I would be disappointed if that's how they choose to resolve everything, but they have really started to rush to the finish line lately...so it wouldn't really surprise me.
Yeah, I was not impressed with episode 20 at all. It was really rushed. Especially the parts with Suzaku in it. It makes me worry for the rest of this series.
I certainly hope that's not the resolution for KaLulu. If it is, that's just very lame...
Yeah, I was not impressed with episode 20 at all. It was really rushed. Especially the parts with Suzaku in it. It makes me worry for the rest of this series.
I certainly hope that's not the resolution for KaLulu. If it is, that's just very lame...
BOW DOWN. The creators have yielded to the uncanny popularity of Lelouch x CC. :heh:
Babaganush
2008-08-24, 09:30
ccxlelouch is canon
gino and kallen now since gino capture and he will free himselv and go to order and interact with kallen
They are hardly canon. But their chances have increased. I still think there is a good chance Lelouch will be dead by the end of all this though.
darthfury78
2008-08-24, 09:50
I guess that Lelouch has said his fairwell calling to Kallen when he told her to live on with her life. With C.C. gone with Anya, I feel now that the Kallen x Lelouch relationship is now closed, in my opinion. It seems that Lelouch has become the Demon King who might become immortal.:mad:
I doubt that Kellen will be going off looking for Lelouch, since the Black Knights believe that Zero is dead. No Black Knights. No Ashford Academy. So Lelouch will definately be alone, which is quite sad. I seems that he'll following the path of Light Yagami/Kira, where he'll die by what was given to him: The Geass!!!
If he does die, he'll certainly join his sister Euphemia in the afterlife.
Meatrose
2008-08-24, 09:58
I guess that Lelouch has said his fairwell calling to Kallen when he told her to live on with her life. With C.C. gone with Anya, I feel now that the Kallen x Lelouch relationship is now closed, in my opinion. It seems that Lelouch has become the Demon King who might become immortal.:mad:
I doubt that Kellen will be going off looking for Lelouch, since the Black Knights believe that Zero is dead. No Black Knights. No Ashford Academy. So Lelouch will definately be alone, which is quite sad.
Have you watched the episode yet? They don't believe that he's dead. They know that he's not. They decided to tell the world that Zero died instead of telling the world that Zero deceived them all for a personal agenda, since the latter would render them powerless to act in future events. And about Kallen's plotline being resolved, sure, I've been rambling about me fearing that all development will end up in nothing, wasting a huge portion of this season in a brilliant cascade of bad writing. I still hope to be proven wrong though.
Have you watched the episode yet? They don't believe that he's dead. They know that he's not. They decided to tell the world that Zero died instead of telling the world that Zero deceived them all for a personal agenda, since the latter would render them powerless to act in future events. And about Kallen's plotline being resolved, sure, I've been rambling about me fearing that all development will end up in nothing, wasting a huge portion of this season in a brilliant cascade of bad writing. I still hope to be proven wrong though.
I'd laugh if they wasted eight episodes of 'this is the real Lelouch, Kallen. This one right here.' To resolve it in ~10 seconds with her figuring it out the moment he is absconded with. They may seriously have just been using Kallen for a game of 'Where's Waldo.'
HayashiTakara
2008-08-24, 10:01
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Lelouche dies at the end, so there will be no romance... but if there is, I'll just go ahead and say Kallen x Lelouche.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 10:04
I'd laugh if they wasted eight episodes of 'this is the real Lelouch, Kallen. This one right here.' To resolve it in ~10 seconds with her figuring it out the moment he is absconded with. They may seriously have just been using Kallen for a game of 'Where's Waldo.'I'd just delete the series off my hard drive. Sell my blu-rays. And prepare for Gundam 00.
Two seasons worth of development focused towards her feelings for the masked man and the man underneath the mask all flushed down the toilet due to another interruption. I'll also be prepared to call R2 the "Seed Destiny" of Code Geass.
I won't be surprised though. Maybe Kallen's significant screen time is over.
I'd just delete the series off my hard drive. Sell my blu-rays. And prepare for Gundam 00.
Two seasons worth of development focused towards her feelings for the masked man and the man underneath the mask all flushed down the toilet due to another interruption. I'll also be prepared to call R2 the "Seed Destiny" of Code Geass.
I won't be surprised though. Maybe Kallen's significant screen time is over.
Yeah, you're forgetting. They aren't writing to please "Rest of World" they are writing to make the series a hit in Japan... and sadly a creators story can be changed quite easily with dollar signs and direction from above. CC x Lelouch in Japan anyway, sells a lot more dvd's and merch than Kallen.
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 10:10
Uh two season ? One season yeah, that's all. Anyway, Lelouch and Kallen will surely have a good talk later, but for me it will end on friendship or something like that. And yeah, LuluXCC is more popular in japan than Kalulu so it won't suprise me if we have a LuluXCC ending :p
Yeah, you're forgetting. They aren't writing to please "Rest of World" they are writing to make the series a hit in Japan... and sadly a creators story can be changed quite easily with dollar signs and direction from above. CC x Lelouch in Japan anyway, sells a lot more dvd's and merch than Kallen.
Ok... well that proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Not that the rest of the post was not already rediculous.
Stretch5920
2008-08-24, 10:13
Don't count Kallen out yet. I still think all this development will lead to an important scene between them, both plotwise and romance wise. May get them together, may even end the pairing, but I don't think Kallen is out of the picture yet. While it's true that Lelouch has resigned himself to death right now, I believe that will change once he learns the truth.
HayashiTakara
2008-08-24, 10:13
It annoys me when people try to use popularity as their best reasoning for why a pairing would happen...
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 10:14
Ok... well that proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Not that the rest of the post was not already rediculous.
Well proove us the contrary then ? Sorry but, CC seems indeed more popular than Kallen, and so is her couple with Lelouch. Popularity is a factor (see GSD ) but it's one of the factor, that's all.
Ok... well that proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Not that the rest of the post was not already rediculous.
Yeah, it's almost as good as your gospel posting.
It annoys me when people try to use popularity as their best reasoning for why a pairing would happen...
Seen sales much?
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 10:17
Well proove us the contrary then ? Sorry but, CC seems indeed more popular than Kallen, and so is her couple with Lelouch. Popularity is a factor (see GSD ) but it's one of the factor, that's all.
Because GSD was the epitome of great writing right? :rolleyes: If Taniguchi was the type to be pushed around that easily by such things as popularity polls then we wouldn't have seen C.C being shunted to the side for the majority of the season.
D a m i e n
2008-08-24, 10:18
It annoys me when people try to use popularity as their best reasoning for why a pairing would happen...
Sunrise did GS and GSD wich were totally dictated by popularity rating, so it s hard not to make a parallele even though it s a totally different director and a totally different serie. Sunrise doesnt have a good track record.
I have always prefered Kallen to CC but ever since S1 i had that feeling that if Lelouch was to end up with a girl it would be with CC.
There is still a few eps left let s hope that the ending of both the serie in general and the romance isnt crappy. As long as it s decently written i ll be ok with whatever ending they give us.
Because GSD was the epitome of great writing right? :rolleyes: If Taniguchi was the type to be pushed around that easily by such things as popularity polls then we wouldn't have seen C.C being shunted to the side for the majority of the season.
Pretty sure I'd rather have a pushed around ending than a budget cut. And you would rather a forced cc x lelouch ending than to never know what happens.
Yeah, it's almost as good as your gospel posting.
at least his argumentz are based on what is presented not bullshit you keep pulling out your ass in the s&s thread. kallen sells as much if not more murchandise than cc. she was an incredibly popular character before s1 shafted her after 9 and has become one again this season. hence why she went from a very low rank to 2 on popularity polls halfway into the season.
Seen sales much?
have you?
Strettger
2008-08-24, 10:21
Going to throw a comment in, not taking a ship (I have one but its cloaked), but Sunrise put Shinn and Lunamaria together because of model sales dropping for one of them, Luna I think and they were trying to increase their popularity.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 10:21
Because GSD was the epitome of great writing right? :rolleyes: If Taniguchi was the type to be pushed around that easily by such things as popularity polls then we wouldn't have seen C.C being shunted to the side for the majority of the season.Devil's advocate time. Maybe Sunrise looked at the low ratings for the season and demanded that he make CC more involved or something? (I don't know, that sounds pretty lame.)
I do know that the DVD's have sold well so far though. Outselling the season one DVD's by far.
Pretty sure I'd rather have a pushed around ending than a budget cut. And you would rather a forced cc x lelouch ending than to never know what happens.I'm fine with Lelouch ending up alone. A forced pairing is what I am looking to avoid. The entire series loses credibility when those happen.
HayashiTakara
2008-08-24, 10:21
Yeah, it's almost as good as your gospel posting.
Seen sales much?
*sigh... its like trying to reason with a 10 year old.
Theres been so many popular "pairings" that never happen. Popularity doesn't stop the author from doing what he/she wants to do. Corporates will continue to churn out fan garbage to make money, regardless of the final outcome. They'll release a mug of character A, and a mug of character B and put it on display next to each other, and rabid fanboy/girl sees it next to each other and squell with their money flying out of their pockets.
at least his argumentz are based on what is presented not bullshit you keep pulling out your ass in the s&s thread. kallen sells as much if not more murchandise than cc. she was an incredibly popular character before s1 shafted her after 9 and has become one again this season. hence why she went from a very low rank to 2 on popularity polls halfway into the season.
have you?
LOL!! Negated almost entirely by the fact that this very site has 2 polls with CC leading against Kallen.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 10:23
Sunrise did GS and GSD wich were totally dictated by popularity rating, so it s hard not to make a parallele even though it s a totally different director and a totally different serie. Sunrise doesnt have a good track record.
Well to be fair that is not really Sunrise's fault but rather that Fukuda was easily pushed around by Bandai.
Pretty sure I'd rather have a pushed around ending than a budget cut. And you would rather a forced cc x lelouch ending than to never know what happens.
Right, a budget cut on a series that is almost over and a cash cow for them? And don't put words in my mouth, I'd rather have an ending that the director and writer envisioned rather then anything forced by Bandai to boost sales or whatever their justification is this time. I am still peeved at what happened to GSD.
Well to be fair that is not really Sunrise's fault but rather that Fukuda was easily pushed around by Bandai.
Right, a budget cut on a series that is almost over and a cash cow for them? And don't put words in my mouth, I'd rather have an ending that the director and writer envisioned rather then anything forced by Bandai to boost sales or whatever their justification is this time. I am still peeved at what happened to GSD.
You prefer no ending, to forced ending? Fair enough, stop watching now. :heh:
LOL!! Negated almost entirely by the fact that this very site has 2 polls with CC leading against Kallen.
idiotic. did you read what I said? And your point was about japan you dimwit, this poll is not in japan.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 10:27
Devil's advocate time. Maybe Sunrise looked at the low ratings for the season and demanded that he make CC more involved or something? (I don't know, that sounds pretty lame.)
I do know that the DVD's have sold well so far though. Outselling the season one DVD's by far.
Alot of it though was the time slot wasn't it? Sunday afternoon is not a time when the target audience of Code Geass is around and the fact that R2's dvd sales are doing so well would make Bandai happy. Hopefully happy enough to release a master grade Gurren flight type. *mumble mumble rant rant* I hate those kits they have out now. :mad:
darthfury78
2008-08-24, 10:27
This reminds me of Light/Kira from Death Note, in which the character mind goes into a decline until he is dead by what he was given. This has been a real disappointment on the Executives part due to the changes that they made upon the production staff for R2. And to think that R1 was slated to end on a positive note with Episode 23, which means that Euphemia would not had been a victim of Lelouch’s Geass by accident. I think that the direction of the series would have been much better if the creator was allowed to tell the tale in its original entirity. It might have been quite interesting to have seen Euphemia alive as she was one of my favorite characters. Could you ever imagine her as a student at Ashford Academy with Lelouch, Suzaku, and Nunnally? I would because it would make the series more interesting.
Stretch5920
2008-08-24, 10:28
I'd buy me some Kallen merchandise if you know what I mean
Alot of it though was the time slot wasn't it? Sunday afternoon is not a time when the target audience of Code Geass is around and the fact that R2's dvd sales are doing so well would make Bandai happy. Hopefully happy enough to release a master grade Gurren flight type. *mumble mumble rant rant* I hate those kits they have out now. :mad:
R2 DVD sales topped the charts. I doubt Sunrise has any qualms.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 10:28
You prefer no ending, to forced ending? Fair enough, stop watching now. :heh:
An ending that the writer and director envisioned is no ending? As always your logic baffles me.
An ending that the writer and director envisioned is no ending? As always your logic baffles me.
Yeah.. because he would just come out as say "Oh they raped my ass real hard and Im going to do exactly as they ask if I want my money. They told me they know what the fuck is going on.. GS and GSD were definitly cash cows."
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 10:33
Gundam Seed Destiny wasn't the much of a cash cow...was it? I was under the impression that there was a severe difference between Seed and Seed Destiny financial success-wise.
A Master Grade Guren would be neat, but if it hasn't been announced yet...I doubt it will happen. I think Kallen may end up only piloting her Knightmare Frame one more time in the series in fact. We probably only have one large battle left to go.
darthfury78
2008-08-24, 10:34
Alot of it though was the time slot wasn't it? Sunday afternoon is not a time when the target audience of Code Geass is around and the fact that R2's dvd sales are doing so well would make Bandai happy. Hopefully happy enough to release a master grade Gurren flight type. *mumble mumble rant rant* I hate those kits they have out now. :mad:
I certainly hope that the producers of Code Geass would be given the opportunity to do a Directors Cut for R1 and R2 repectively. If the could do a "RESET" version and place it back to its original R1 timeslot, which was late at night, it might be an interesting tale to watch. So far, I have been a little disappointed of the season's progression. Not enough drama between the characters. Only action, action, and more action. Just like the 3rd season of Batman Beyond. :mad:
So why did Athrun and Cagalli "break up" if theyre also popular? I don't get it then.
I also don't get why they like posting many LelouchxC.C pictures on magazines either, this is one of the reasons that the pairing got popular.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 10:47
Gundam Seed Destiny wasn't the much of a cash cow...was it? I was under the impression that there was a severe difference between Seed and Seed Destiny financial success-wise.
A Master Grade Guren would be neat, but if it hasn't been announced yet...I doubt it will happen. I think Kallen may end up only piloting her Knightmare Frame one more time in the series in fact. We probably only have one large battle left to go.
The dvd and cd sales were good, just the model kit sales were subpar, not surprising as they basically rehashed all their designs from other gundam series. And in my opinion made Freedom look worst. -.- But I digress.
I would want a master grade kit of alot of the knightmare frames, they have some great designs in the series but frankly the ones they have out now are wost then high grade kits. Such a waste if you ask me, I wouldn't say no to a master grade Gawain either. :D
I certainly hope that the producers of Code Geass would be given the opportunity to do a Directors Cut for R1 and R2 repectively. If the could do a "RESET" version and place it back to its original R1 timeslot, which was late at night, it might be an interesting tale to watch. So far, I have been a little disappointed of the season's progression. Not enough drama between the characters. Only action, action, and more action. Just like the 3rd season of Batman Beyond. :mad:
For me I was more disappointed they did not cut out the Ashford stuff early on. I thought Taniguchi wanted to pick up R2 where they left off in R1 and I'd certainly want to see that. But pacing in Code Geass has always seem to be abit weird to me and I blame it on the most part the focus on Ashford comedy scenes. :heh:
Yeah.. because he would just come out as say "Oh they raped my ass real hard and Im going to do exactly as they ask if I want my money. They told me they know what the fuck is going on.. GS and GSD were definitly cash cows."
So here comes my last attempt to clarify, I would not prefer forced romance at all, if the writers had intended something to happen then it would be given proper development, shoving two people together because they are popular is just poor writing and I'd rather have Lelouch end up with no one then be given such garbage to swallow regardless if it is C.C or Kallen they try to shove down our throats. They may not come out and say they were forced into doing so and so but it would be apparent in the writing should they be forced last minute to pair off a character for the sake of popularity. English reading and comprehension is an important skill.
So why did Athrun and Cagalli "break up" if theyre also popular? I don't get it then.
I also don't get why they like posting many LelouchxC.C pictures on magazines either, this is one of the reasons that the pairing got popular.
They weren't all that popular. Cagalli and Kira was popular, but it got shafted.
Main character appear on posters together. There have been ones with Lelouch and Kallen, they just get ignored. :heh:
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 10:49
They weren't all that popular. Cagalli and Kira was popular, but it got shafted.
Main character appear on posters together. There have been ones with Lelouch and Kallen, they just get ignored. :heh:
I demand to know where those posters are and if you have any scans! :p :heh:
There are more posters of C.CxLelouch, so that is no wonder :(
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 10:53
So why did Athrun and Cagalli "break up" if theyre also popular? I don't get it then.
I also don't get why they like posting many LelouchxC.C pictures on magazines either, this is one of the reasons that the pairing got popular.
uh no AthrunXCaggali is a popular pairing and bacause of fan of this pairing some part of the end of GSD was modified later ;) The most popular Character in GSD were Kira and Lacus.
And what's about the different poll ? What about the japaness forum ? No if they posted LuluXCC pictures it's because the pairing is popular, that's all.
But like i said, popularity is one of the factor. There is other factor. So we will see in the end of the show.
Stretch5920
2008-08-24, 10:55
I think most Kallen fans would rather buy a Guren than a poster.
And thats what makes it more popular when its already popular.
Well, as far as magazine covers and pics go it's usually always C.C. and Lulu. CLAMP always puts those two together as well. I don't see too much Lulu and Kallen as far as posters and magazine covers. :(
But of course, just because it's popular doesn't mean it will win. KaLulu still has a chance, but most likely no one will win in the end. This isn't a romance series afterall. They don't need to resolve this "romance" stuff at all.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 10:57
I think most Kallen fans would rather buy a Guren than a poster.
*shouts to the heavens* Then where is my master grade Gurren flight type!!!!!!!!! :heh:
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 11:01
Anyway don't miderstand me here. I'm not saying because LuluXCC are popular, they will end up together. But it's one of the factor that can make LuluXCC end up together.
I would then hope for a harem. KallenxLelouchxC.C Kacluclu :s
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 11:09
Anyway don't miderstand me here. I'm not saying because LuluXCC are popular, they will end up together. But it's one of the factor that can make LuluXCC end up together.
I am not saying that is entirely out of the realm of possibility only that it is just poor reason to pair off characters. Especially when they have had little development in that area. But really I can see that as being a factor if they do decide to pair them off.
I would then hope for a harem. KallenxLelouchxC.C Kacluclu :s
No Milly? :( ;)
Ok, so are there fans who like Lelouch X Anya:heh:?
Isn't that just...unnatural?
If Anya is Lelouch sister ( lets speculate), and Marianne is inside Anya...Then what does it make Leouch x Anya?
Oh, and as a Lelouch X C.C. supporter, I see Marianne's and C.C.'s talk in World of C as a fact, that Marianne supports Lelouch X C.C.:cool:
That makes BOTH Mother and Father supporting Lelouch X C.C.;)
Witacume
2008-08-24, 11:14
Ok, so are there fans who like Lelouch X Anya:heh:?
Isn't that just...unnatural?
If Anya is Lelouch sister ( lets speculate), and Marianne is inside Anya...Then what does it make Leouch x Anya?
Oh, and as a Lelouch X C.C. supporter, I see Marianne's and C.C.'s talk in World of C as a fact, that Marianne supports Lelouch X C.C.:cool:
That makes BOTH Mother and Father supporting Lelouch X C.C.;)
when does Charles care about anything except trying to burn the world asunder.
As for Marianya i going to reserve my judgment until episode 21.
darthfury78
2008-08-24, 11:15
uh no AthrunXCaggali is a popular pairing and bacause of fan of this pairing some part of the end of GSD was modified later ;) The most popular Character in GSD were Kira and Lacus.
And what's about the different poll ? What about the japaness forum ? No if they posted LuluXCC pictures it's because the pairing is popular, that's all.
But like i said, popularity is one of the factor. There is other factor. So we will see in the end of the show.
From what I can see, don't be surprised if Lelouch ends up with Milly Ashford. The writers might just as well pair him up with her because she is an underrated character. And she has gotten very little screentime. But yet, she is still around. If they had given as much time to her development as they has with C.C. and kallen, Milly would have ranked very high on the popular polls. It's such ashame to not used her to the fillest extent.
I now believe that Marianne x C.C. relationship will happen.:D
when does Charles care about anything except trying to burn the world asunder.
As for Marianya i going to reserve my judgment until episode 21.
Hmm, about Father it's speculation..and there is a big chance it's off, but:
C.C. is "talking" with three persons:
V.V.
Marianne
And someone else, who was teasing C.C. about Lelouch. And if we take information we know about Geass, the only person who can talk with C.C besides V.V. and Marianne is Charles.
Or it's that crazy nun:heh::eyespin:.
Ok, so are there fans who like Lelouch X Anya:heh:?
Isn't that just...unnatural?
If Anya is Lelouch sister ( lets speculate), and Marianne is inside Anya...Then what does it make Leouch x Anya?
Oh, and as a Lelouch X C.C. supporter, I see Marianne's and C.C.'s talk in World of C as a fact, that Marianne supports Lelouch X C.C.:cool:
That makes BOTH Mother and Father supporting Lelouch X C.C.;)
Victory is ours!
*Insert evil laugh*
i'll laugh my ass off if/when they die
Babaganush
2008-08-24, 11:29
Victory is ours!
*Insert evil laugh*
:hyper-^v^:
cc and lelouch so canon now haha
It'll be better if they die, no more pairings :D
Hey I wanna ask, when code geass is finished, will you guys still discuss about romance in code geass?
I don't get it.
One episode occurs with C.C. regaining her memories and some possibly negative revelations: C.C. and Lelouch becomes canon.
One episode occurs with Kallen returning with her worrying about him and him saving her: Kallen and Lelouch is only slightly boosted.
Boggles my mind, and they say Kallen fans are short-sighted.
It'll be better if they die, no more pairings :D
Hey I wanna ask, when code geass is finished, will you guys still discuss about romance in code geass?
G00 starts, so most will have moved on. :p
Uhhh, it's strange coming from me, but don't post one liners and etc.
Because if we do it we will lose the high ground.
And it's not polite to others.
*insert evil laugh*
:hyper-^v^:
cc and lelouch so canon now haha
Actually not. we thought that Shirley X Lelouch was canon, then she died.
C.C. could die in 21. So don't say that.
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 11:47
I am not saying that is entirely out of the realm of possibility only that it is just poor reason to pair off characters. Especially when they have had little development in that area. But really I can see that as being a factor if they do decide to pair them off.
I don't agree with you here . LuluXXCC have good development in S1. And they have development in S2. So, it's not like the pairing is coming out of nowhere. And that's why the pairing is popular too ^^. We will see witch pairing won at the end of the show :p (don't know if i say it well ^^; )
Babaganush
2008-08-24, 11:47
Actually not. we thought that Shirley X Lelouch was canon, then she died.
C.C. could die in 21. So don't say that.
not going to happen shell svae lelouch from charles and mybe mriane and theyll both leave as emperor and empress.
while tat happens kallen will fall for gino and remove her from lelouch
not going to happen shell svae lelouch from charles and mybe mriane and theyll both leave as emperor and empress.
I highly doubt things will end so happy. One or both of them will be dead by the end of this imho.
not going to happen shell svae lelouch from charles and mybe mriane and theyll both leave as emperor and empress.
while tat happens kallen will fall for gino and remove her from lelouch
As i can understand from your post..
Shell will save Lelouch from Charles and Mybe Mriane?
And then Shell and Lelouch will leave (where?) as Emperor and Empress.
Ye, that makes perfect sense.
Oh, and i still can't choose between:
Lelouch X C.C, both immortals, but no kids from C.C.
or Lelouch X C.C, and C.C is mortal, but with kids.
:upset:
I don't get it.
One episode occurs with C.C. regaining her memories and some possibly negative revelations: C.C. and Lelouch becomes canon.
One episode occurs with Kallen returning with her worrying about him and him saving her: Kallen and Lelouch is only slightly boosted.
Boggles my mind, and they say Kallen fans are short-sighted.
I can't believe what I just read. I guess I don't live in the same world as you and so I don't read the same things every week about Kalulu, and the same "trolling" about CluClu
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 12:02
Oh, and i still can't choose between:
Lelouch X C.C, both immortals, but no kids from C.C.
or Lelouch X C.C, and C.C is mortal, but with kids.
:upset:
Well, i'm for a LelouchXCC immortal pairing here. Emperor lelouch and empress CC who reign over the world *evill laugh*
But as (like ?) i said i'm more for a death ending poweful in emotion with a kiss (between them) before *_*
I can't believe what I just read. I guess I don't live in the same world as you and so I don't read the same things every week about Kalulu, and the same "trolling" about CluClu
not to get inot this but youre being severly biased in the time ive been lurking htese boards this episodes sudden proclamations have only been toppled by 15 where i even remember the tags were insane. in the last four pages of this discussion and when 15 aired cc fans were calling their pairing auto canon. where as i do not remember any kallen fan saying anything at all like that at least not recurringly and certainly not using the word canon of all things.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 12:03
I rarely post here honestly, I have been doing so for less than 5 days.
I think Lelouch/Kallen fans are quick to blow things out of proportion. That quote from last week is a bit over-hyped and overrated.
But, I will say this. I have not seen posts of this caliber coming from Lelouch/Kallen fans yet.not going to happen shell svae lelouch from charles and mybe mriane and theyll both leave as emperor and empress.
while tat happens kallen will fall for gino and remove her from lelouch
Witacume
2008-08-24, 12:04
I rarely post here honestly, I have been doing so for less than 5 days.
I think Lelouch/Kallen fans are quick to blow things out of proportion. That quote from last week is a bit over-hyped and overrated.
But, I will say this. I have not seen posts of this caliber coming from Lelouch/Kallen fans yet.
I loled at that good one i need a good laugh.
But, I will say this. I have not seen posts of this caliber coming from Lelouch/Kallen fans yet.
Damn... that post was hard to read.:heh:
In any case, C.C. just put herself back in the running. So I am again on the fence!
not to get inot this but youre being severly biased in the time ive been lurking htese boards this episodes sudden proclamations have only been toppled by 15 where i even remember the tags were insane. in the last four pages of this discussion and when 15 aired cc fans were calling their pairing auto canon. where as i do not remember any kallen fan saying anything at all like that at least not recurringly and certainly not using the word canon of all things.
Most of the time I am not biased at all. Even on this page. Read my comment before the one you quoted.
And you don't need to use the word "Canon" to show that you think one pairing is obviously the good one.
And the tags frenzy was the same about Kallen.
So I wonder if you really read this board a lot.
im having trouble with this development. its sudden, this next episode is going to be about the truth and we know certain people have been lieing, there's no conclusion to the kallen plot, there are still five episodes left for this to suddenly appear given the above circumstances.
id have seen it more positive if marianne wasn't appearing all of a sudden to wake up cc with no build up but whatever. the whole sealing of codes and memories being a package sounds unappealing as well.
Most of the time I am not biased at all. Even on this page. Read my comment before the one you quoted.
And you don't need to use the word "Canon" to show that you think one pairing is obviously the good one.
And the tags frenzy was the same about Kallen.
So I wonder if you really read this board a lot.
i said i lurk not live here religiously i can miss things but i do not remember anything nearly as revolting as the nonsense that appeared at 15 and now. maybe its because the kallen fans seem to put up better points than the majority i see posting in here.
not going to happen shell svae lelouch from charles and mybe mriane and theyll both leave as emperor and empress.
while tat happens kallen will fall for gino and remove her from lelouch
Seriously, even if you're a troll, a boring one... could you at least TRY to write so that others can understand you? This isn't 4chan. You keep saying the same thing over and over.
i said i lurk not live here religiously i can miss things but i do not remember anything nearly as revolting as the nonsense that appeared at 15 and now. maybe its because the kallen fans seem to put up better points than the majority i see posting in here.
Then clearly you missed some things.
Then clearly you missed some things.
instead of just saying it can you give me examples as I gave you?
instead of just saying it can you give me examples as I gave you?
You gave examples? You didn't quote anything. You're the first to just "saying".
An example of recent nonsense: All the fuss around a supposed sex scene. I didn't have to quote anything about that I think.
For some "quotes" examples, provide some first.
Witacume
2008-08-24, 12:24
You gave example? You didn't quote anything. You're the first to just "saying".
An example of recent nonsense: All the fuss around a supposed sex scene. I didn't have to quote anything I think.
For some "quotes" examples, provide some first.
Gosh you guys are going beyond petty.
The suppose sex was for lawls.
I said not to trust it and it was me who posted it.
so your point is terrible Narona.
While both of you guys seems to take this way to damn serious.
You gave examples? You didn't quote anything. You're the first to just "saying".
An example of recent nonsense: All the fuss around a supposed sex scene. I didn't have to quote anything about that I think.
For some "quotes" examples, provide some first.
i believe i clearly referenced the tags for 15 which were deleted, hard for me to quote them though there were some hilarious ones... Var is a helicopter wtf?
i also just cited the last five pages of this thread where people have already begun declaring things
and then i also cited episode fifteen in its entirety would you like me to just give you a link to the thread?
and please cc fans have made a pointless fuss of a band air. at least sex is more interesting than a piece of cloth.
Gosh you guys are going beyond petty.
The suppose sex was for lawls.
I said not to trust it and it was me who posted it.
so your point is terrible Narona.
While both of you guys seems to take this way to damn serious.
Lulz or not, at some time it was pretty irritating you know when you're not a kallen fan.
So is the same when the kallen fans were reading things about CluClu. That was my point.
and then i also cited episode fifteen in its entirety would you like me to just give you a link to the thread?
and please cc fans have made a pointless fuss of a band air. at least sex is more interesting than a piece of cloth.
So you missed the two episodes when Kallen and Lelouch almost kissed.
Pointless fuss? Ok. You're right. I was wrong. Bye.
Witacume
2008-08-24, 12:28
Lulz or not, at some time it was pretty irritating you know when you're not a kallen fan.
So is the same when the kallen fans were reading things about CluClu. That was my point.
I have no idea what that means.
My point is that The sex was not suppose to be taken serious i said it was for lawls.
if you took it serious then that is you own fault.
As for Kallen fans with CC.
CC is interesting character and all but i really didn't like Marianya as things aren't adding up.
I will reserve judgment until 21.
And your generalization is big as well.
So you missed the two episodes when Kallen and Lelouch almost kissed.
Pointless fuss? Ok. You're right. I was wrong. Bye.
i did not miss them i even cursed them but i do not recall people saying canon in fact i remmeber the first instance people wondering if it hurt their relationship or not
thank you for making my point youre going well over the top over a band aid with no one seemingly remembering the rest of the scene and the blood on the king.
incorrupts
2008-08-24, 12:30
Oh God, i gotta admit, i love this thread and its drama. XD
Dude, Kalulu just jumped to 200. Nice.
Stretch5920
2008-08-24, 12:31
Shippers are shippers. No matter which girl they like.
bladeofdarkness
2008-08-24, 12:32
i think there is a good chance C.C might die next ep
it makes sense plot wise since the geass story arc would be finished at that point
and her getting her memories back at this stage seems to me as a good way to have her go out in style
it also make sense in solving the triangel that has been raging for all this time
say she does die (epicly ,in a scene that shall forever be remambered)
then say that lulu does end up hooking with kallen in the end
the C.C fans can say that he only choose kallen since C,C is gone and if she was still alive he would have gone for her - so they be happy (in a way)
the kallen fans can say that the fact he hooked up with kallen so soon after C,C's death shows he never was really inlove with her and kallen was his true choice - which makes them happy
either way sunrise studio's office doesnt get burned down - so they would be very happy
i know that coming from a kallen fan like myself this theory might not seem to hold water to the C.C fans
but from a story telling point of view it makes sense to me at least to end both the geass plot and the ship to ship combat in the most effective way
it also keeps the theme of repeating events from season 1 (euphies death, since the more popular parring right now is clu clu)
and since i know that this is coming i'd address this in advence
yes this could also apply to kallen
of course she could just as easly be the one who dies and the fact she's the ace pilot makes it seem all the more likely
but i cant help but think that sunrise isnt actually planning to kill kallen off
at least less so then the odds of them planning to kill off C.C
even more so since she seems to get her memory back in such a deus ex way
and since marianna askd her if she loves lulu it could be seen as her wish being granted
please take the time to read this before spamming me to death
this is not a hate speech
its just my personal view point of the likelyhood of c.c dying in the end of 21
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 12:34
Oh God, i gotta admit, i love this thread and its drama. XD
Dude, Kalulu just jumped to 200. Nice.Honestly, if I were a mod...I would trash this tread. Too much flaming and trolling. I don't see a lot of constructive conversations taking place.
Lelouch/Shirley fans are the group I am curious about. They are like John Edwards supporters...their candidate is gone. So who do they prefer now? CC or Kallen?
Honestly, if I were a mod...I would trash this tread. Too much flaming and trolling. I don't see a lot of constructive conversations taking place.
Lelouch/Shirley fans are the group I am curious about. They are like John Edwards supporters...there candidate is gone. So who do they prefer now? CC or Kallen?
if skyless is any indication they shifted to kallen
though i think most went to solo ending.
and i agree with trashing this thread.
thank you for making my point youre going well over the top over a band aid with no one seemingly remembering the rest of the scene and the blood on the king.
What I said was sarcasm. I was just saying that I won't argue with you anymore on that matter.
Stretch5920
2008-08-24, 12:35
Honestly, if I were a mod...I would trash this tread. Too much flaming and trolling. I don't see a lot of constructive conversations taking place.
Lelouch/Shirley fans are the group I am curious about. They are like John Edwards supporters...there candidate is gone. So who do they prefer now? CC or Kallen?
Maybe they wised up and dropped the show while us idiots are still hooked.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 12:37
Maybe they wised up and dropped the show while us idiots are still hooked.Shirley fans are lucky. Their character went out in style. (Same with Rolo). Dying like that is better than living as a secondary character.
What I said was sarcasm. I was just saying that I won't argue with you anymore on that matter.
hum my mistake then but im done this thread already grew on my nerves with babaganush and hasaki (?). im gonna lurk 2ch for specs.
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 13:00
i think there is a good chance C.C might die next ep
it makes sense plot wise since the geass story arc would be finished at that point
and her getting her memories back at this stage seems to me as a good way to have her go out in style
it also make sense in solving the triangel that has been raging for all this time
say she does die (epicly ,in a scene that shall forever be remambered)
then say that lulu does end up hooking with kallen in the end
the C.C fans can say that he only choose kallen since C,C is gone and if she was still alive he would have gone for her - so they be happy (in a way)
the kallen fans can say that the fact he hooked up with kallen so soon after C,C's death shows he never was really inlove with her and kallen was his true choice - which makes them happy
either way sunrise studio's office doesnt get burned down - so they would be very happy
Erf sorry but for me it make no sense since CC recovers her memory one episode before. I don't think it's to kill her the episode after :heh: CC will must likely live until the end and in the last episode die. We don't know if all the plot with geass will be resolved and even so, CC is a essential character to the show, i don't see her die before the end. And CC fan will absolutely not be happy when we saw how cc is treated in the show. if she recover her memory only to die one episode after i will be really angry :upset: .
Stretch5920
2008-08-24, 13:04
Erf sorry but for me it make no sense since CC recovers her memory one episode before. I don't think it's to kill her the episode after :heh: CC will must likely live until the end and in the last episode die. We don't know if all the plot with geass will be resolved and even so, CC is a essential character to the show, i don't see her die before the end. And CC fan will absolutely not be happy when we saw how cc is treated in the show. if she recover her memory only to die one episode after i will be really angry :upset: .
It doesn't sound that farfecthed to me. This could be the whole point of C.Chi. Sunrise's way of killing her off, but keeping her in the show so C.C fans still watch the show. Also look at the end of season 1, C.C leaves the stage and "dies" with Orange, leaving the final showdown to stuff that has nothing to do with her, Lelouch and Suzaku.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 13:05
I don't agree with you here . LuluXXCC have good development in S1. And they have development in S2. So, it's not like the pairing is coming out of nowhere. And that's why the pairing is popular too ^^. We will see witch pairing won at the end of the show :p (don't know if i say it well ^^; )
They had some development in R1, but it doesn't change that they have had no development in R2, C.C was sidelined for all of R2 except for episode fifteen and this one. Their conversation at the end of R1 also doesn't seem to have any impact on Lelouch at all and really her character was basically reset for R2, If the only thing that is positive comes from last season with little development for it in R2 then really it is forced even if it does not come from "nowhere" it is still underdeveloped.
Erf sorry but for me it make no sense since CC recovers her memory one episode before. I don't think it's to kill her the episode after :heh:
They did just that with Shirley.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 13:07
They did just that with Shirley.I don't think this is a good example. CC is a more important character. Nothing was really sacrificed by killing Shirley off.
well they made a big fat shirley episode before she got killed so we would QQ and feel sorry for her
whoever gets one ep like that first - dies :heh:
bladeofdarkness
2008-08-24, 13:09
I don't think this is a good example. CC is a more important character. Nothing was really sacrificed by killing Shirley off.
but it had massive plot impact
I don't think so that they will use the same method on C.C. as they did with Shirley
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 13:11
I don't think this is a good example. CC is a more important character. Nothing was really sacrificed by killing Shirley off.
C.C still has a big death flag, and the only reason I don't think Lelouch will die soon is because he still has to put Schneizel in his place, but with C.C regaining her code and other revelations in this episode I just don't see how it can end well for her. Frankly I think that anything connected to Geass will be gone by the end of Charles' little Ragnarok plan.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 13:15
C.C still has a big death flag, and the only reason I don't think Lelouch will die soon is because he still has to put Schneizel in his place, but with C.C regaining her code and other revelations in this episode I just don't see how it can end well for her. Frankly I think that anything connected to Geass will be gone by the end of Charles' little Ragnarok plan.Lelouch setting the world on the right path without relying on geass is how things should end. We will find out whether this director is any good based on the way he handles this situation.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 13:18
Lelouch setting the world on the right path without relying on geass is how things should end. We will find out whether this director is any good based on the way he handles this situation.
Which is one reason I believe geass will disappear, perhaps that was Charles' goal to begin with. But that does not really spell happy days for Charles and C.C since they both hold the code. Or for any geass user for that matter, but Lelouch still needs to face Schneizel and create that gentle world that both of his sisters died for so I expect some deux ex machina to save his ass.
They had some development in R1, but it doesn't change that they have had no development in R2, C.C was sidelined for all of R2 except for episode fifteen and this one. Their conversation at the end of R1 also doesn't seem to have any impact on Lelouch at all and really her character was basically reset for R2, If the only thing that is positive comes from last season with little development for it in R2 then really it is forced even if it does not come from "nowhere" it is still underdeveloped.
I'm sorry, but it isn't like Kallen had much more development in R2... I mean let alone she was captured for what? Six or seven episodes? Both C.C. and Kallen had moments of shining this season when it comes to plot, but BOTH I think are really under-developed. I blame it on the "All Lelouch, all the time" mentality the makers seemed to have went to this season though... since, every character BUT Lelouch is a little under-developed this season.
Pan chan
2008-08-24, 13:23
I'm sorry, but it isn't like Kallen had much more development in R2... I mean let alone she was captured for what? Six or seven episodes? Both C.C. and Kallen had moments of shining this season when it comes to plot, but BOTH I think are really under-developed. I blame it on the "All Lelouch, all the time" mentality the makers seemed to have went to this season though... since, every character BUT Lelouch is a little under-developed this season.
I think he was more talking about the pairing than about C.C herself.
Stretch5920
2008-08-24, 13:26
I'm sorry, but it isn't like Kallen had much more development in R2... I mean let alone she was captured for what? Six or seven episodes? Both C.C. and Kallen had moments of shining this season when it comes to plot, but BOTH I think are really under-developed. I blame it on the "All Lelouch, all the time" mentality the makers seemed to have went to this season though... since, every character BUT Lelouch is a little under-developed this season.
Yeah they really went out of their way here to just make everything about Lelouch. If Lelouch isn't on screen for more than 5 minutes then characters start either talking about him or thinking about him.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 13:28
I'm sorry, but it isn't like Kallen had much more development in R2... I mean let alone she was captured for what? Six or seven episodes? Both C.C. and Kallen had moments of shining this season when it comes to plot, but BOTH I think are really under-developed. I blame it on the "All Lelouch, all the time" mentality the makers seemed to have went to this season though... since, every character BUT Lelouch is a little under-developed this season.
I'd agree with that on the Lelouch side in terms of feelings. As it has not been developed much at all. We've had development from both season in terms of Kallen's feelings and it's evolution from what it was to what it is now. More so then C.C. 's feelings for Lelouch, her focus was always on geass rather then romantic relationship. We just don't have a clue what the hell Lelouch thinks of it all. But to be honest I'd take no romance if they had used the time to actually develop Schneizel more, considering the guy is turning into the main antagonist barring Charles he had been seriously under developed. Frankly if I am angry at this season for one thing is their focus on Ashford. I mean are they telling me that they can have an episode where basically nothing happens except at the end with Cupid day and yet they had to cram everything in episode twenty because they are running out of episodes? I almost wished Freia atomized that damned school. But I am going off track.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-24, 13:30
^LOL, that one darth dude wants them to go back to Ashford to squeeze a Lelouch/Milly scene in. :lmao
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 13:32
Yeah? well if I can make Suzaku aim the bomb just a few meters to the right to catch Ashford in it I would have. -.- :heh:
I'd agree with that on the Lelouch side in terms of feelings. As it has not been developed much at all. We've had development from both season in terms of Kallen's feelings and it's evolution from what it was to what it is now. More so then C.C. 's feelings for Lelouch, her focus was always on geass rather then romantic relationship.
Relationship development was only one of the things though. Their CHARACTERS are even less developed this season. All the focus has been on Lelouch. Which is kinda a shame since he is only one of many players. If there was one thing S1 did better than R2 it was the fact that other characters had more screen time.
We just don't have a clue what the hell Lelouch thinks of it all. But to be honest I'd take no romance if they had used the time to actually develop Schneizel more, considering the guy is turning into the main antagonist barring Charles he had been seriously under developed.
Indeed.
Frankly if I am angry at this season for one thing is their focus on Ashford. I mean are they telling me that they can have an episode where basically nothing happens except at the end with Cupid day and yet they had to cram everything in episode twenty because they are running out of episodes? I almost wished Freia atomized that damned school. But I am going off track.
Yes. That is really annoying too... Stupid Ashford... even though I don't mind Ashford episodes since some comedy is good every now and then... it makes things less gloomy... if it didn't have it, it would be just... too... NGE like for me... that level of "doom and gloom" doesn't do it for me.... So, good for the series, just bad for "episode cramming."
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 13:47
Relationship development was only one of the things though. Their CHARACTERS are even less developed this season. All the focus has been on Lelouch. Which is kinda a shame since he is only one of many players. If there was one thing S1 did better than R2 it was the fact that other characters had more screen time.
Indeed.
Yes. That is really annoying too... Stupid Ashford... even though I don't mind Ashford episodes since some comedy is good every now and then... it makes things less gloomy... if it didn't have it, it would be just... too... NGE like for me... that level of "doom and gloom" doesn't do it for me.... So, good for the series, just bad for "episode cramming."
Kallen had gotten a fair share considering, C.C had by the large gotten the biggest shaft. But Kallen's development was also or the most part Lelouch centric.
I am not saying the Comedy scenes are bad, just that they could have been timed better. Did we really need an entire episode devoted to it? Some scenes inter parsed within the series will provide the comedic relief as well as to remind us the presence of Ashford to Lelouch. The only thing that really came out of the Ashford Focus that does not make it a complete waste was that it served for Rolo to grow more attached to Lelouch and their live and motivate him to do what he did.
^LOL, that one darth dude wants them to go back to Ashford to squeeze a Lelouch/Milly scene in. :lmao
I'll stab someone if that happens. Just kidding....or maybe not. No more Ashford please. They wasted enough time with Ashford scenes this season.
Luckily enough I do believe Ashford times are over for good. We'll be lucky to get a real Ashford scene at the very end of the series.
Kusa-San
2008-08-24, 13:59
It doesn't sound that farfecthed to me. This could be the whole point of C.Chi. Sunrise's way of killing her off, but keeping her in the show so C.C fans still watch the show. Also look at the end of season 1, C.C leaves the stage and "dies" with Orange, leaving the final showdown to stuff that has nothing to do with her, Lelouch and Suzaku.
Erff i hope that's not the reaseon about chobit CC. And i don't think sunrise planned to kill her in ep 15 because the geass plot was not resolved with this episode. For S1, CC disappears in the last episode ;)
They had some development in R1, but it doesn't change that they have had no development in R2, C.C was sidelined for all of R2 except for episode fifteen and this one. Their conversation at the end of R1 also doesn't seem to have any impact on Lelouch at all and really her character was basically reset for R2, If the only thing that is positive comes from last season with little development for it in R2 then really it is forced even if it does not come from "nowhere" it is still underdeveloped.
Not agreed. We can see in the first ep of S2 that CC and Lelouch are more close than before with their teasing and all. And we see in episode 15 that Lelouch really care (love for me but i'm a LuluXCC fan) for CC and that CC love Lelouch. And again, you can't forget what happen in S1. In the end LuluXCC have as much development than LuluXKallen, if it's not more.
They did just that with Shirley.
For Shirley, i agree with TheDisruptiveOne, it's not the same categorie of importance. CC can't die before the end, she is too much essential for the show.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 14:11
Not agreed. We can see in the first ep of S2 that CC and Lelouch are more close than before with their teasing and all. And we see in episode 15 that Lelouch really care (love for me but i'm a LuluXCC fan) for CC and that CC love Lelouch. And again, you can't forget what happen in S1. In the end LuluXCC have as much development than LuluXKallen, if it's not more.
Teasing? in episode one of R2? Between C.C and Lelouch? When? Up until fifteen C.C has been nothing but Pizza Hut poster girl with a few lines here and there. Episode fifteen though finally gave C.C fans something to work with. But the majority of it was Lelouch learning about how C.C got her powers, the code and basically the answers that we the viewers have been deprived of for so long. Certainly C.C has feelings for Lelouch but it has not gotten the attention and development beyond that to really label her "in love" with him. For Lelouch's part he has shown the same reaction to Kallen and Shirley in the intensity of the feelings he feels so there is not much from his end.
Basically, C.C's development was not all about her relationship with Lelouch as a good chunk of it was tied to the geass stuff that they hid under a rock for most of the story. Kallen's development is basically centered on Lelouch and her feelings for him.
SonOfHeaven
2008-08-24, 14:47
Some of you people take this romance stuff too seriously honestly just by reading some of these posts. Lelouch at this point doesn't have romantic feelings for neither C.C. or Kallen. One could argue Shirley but she has already KTB. If someone believes that Kallen feelings for Lelouch is over with then you must be deluding yourself simply due to her lack of screentime this episode. Since the Order don't trust Kallen that much now, I see her leaving the Order once Lelouch makes his next move especially if she found out they made a deal with Schneizel and lied about Zero's death. I'm sure there will be at least one more screen between Lelouch and Kallen to see what comes out of it and same with how C.C. feels about Lelouch.
Teasing? in episode one of R2? Between C.C and Lelouch? When? Up until fifteen C.C has been nothing but Pizza Hut poster girl with a few lines here and there. Episode fifteen though finally gave C.C fans something to work with. But the majority of it was Lelouch learning about how C.C got her powers, the code and basically the answers that we the viewers have been deprived of for so long. Certainly C.C has feelings for Lelouch but it has not gotten the attention and development beyond that to really label her "in love" with him. For Lelouch's part he has shown the same reaction to Kallen and Shirley in the intensity of the feelings he feels so there is not much from his end.
Basically, C.C's development was not all about her relationship with Lelouch as a good chunk of it was tied to the geass stuff that they hid under a rock for most of the story. Kallen's development is basically centered on Lelouch and her feelings for him.
To attain True love, it's required to know most of the person, about past, resolves, reasons. That's what I believe. And ep 15 would serve for it.
You'r forgetting the fact, that lelouch wanted to make C.C. smile. I personally take that as granting her greatest wish of being loved.
Well, it's just a mather of aspect and a mather of interpratation. I'd be great to get an opinion from totally objective/neutral level.
Also I believe that the Openings serve for solely to reveal something about the series. How much is a different case tho (was it charracters, mechas, buildings, whatever).
In the beginning they've wasted enormous amount of time for "C.C, Nunaly, Shneizel and Suzaku flashes". They could have done that much faster or simplier. I only see this to serve as a hint for the main charracters in that period of the season, along with L.L ofcourse.
It's just my speculation but I see Nunaly as his family, Shneizel as his arch enemy in the end, Suzaku as his friend and C.C as his love.
In fact after the new opening emerged C.C got way more screen time, as she got more highlight in the opening. Shuzaku stayed the same, Shneizel got some more screen time and Nunaly is now gone. Hence Nunaly would compensate the screen time C.C and Shneizel gained
Just speculations, I merely hope that it's true.
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 15:23
To attain True love, it's required to know most of the person, about past, resolves, reasons. That's what I believe. And ep 15 would serve for it.
You'r forgetting the fact, that lelouch wanted to make C.C. smile. I personally take that as granting her greatest wish of being loved.
Well, it's just a mather of aspect and a mather of interpratation. I'd be great to get an opinion from totally objective/neutral level.
You are right, and that is what Kallen has been doing all season, and Lelouch already knew about her past and reasons and Lelouch is becoming Kallen's resolve.
No I am not, and that point has already been debated awhile ago. Lelouch's responses is consistent with how he treats Kallen and Shirley as well. Also the love that C.C wished for was the familial warmth that the slave girl knew, while as she grows older that may have changed, at the core she is looking for love whether it is from a familial source, friendship or romance is not specified or to C.C's wish to know love, I doubt it matters that much as long as she has it and it was not warped by geass.
Also I believe that the Openings serve for solely to reveal something about the series. How much is a different case tho (was it charracters, mechas, buildings, whatever).
In the beginning they've wasted enormous amount of time for "C.C, Nunaly, Shneizel and Suzaku flashes". They could have done that much faster or simplier. I only see this to serve as a hint for the main charracters in that period of the season, along with L.L ofcourse.
It's just my speculation but I see Nunaly as his family, Shneizel as his arch enemy in the end, Suzaku as his friend and C.C as his love.
In fact after the new opening emerged C.C got way more screen time, as she got more highlight in the opening. Shuzaku stayed the same, Shneizel got some more screen time and Nunaly is now gone. Hence Nunaly would compensate the screen time C.C and Shneizel gained
Just speculations, I merely hope that it's true.
That is an incredibly forced interpretation of the opening, and actually it does not really bode well for C.C for that matter. Nunally has died, Schneizel just raised his death flag, Suzaku is going down the dark path that he fought against, I don't see C.C having a happy end being lumped together with those people but I guess you are free to interpret it however you wish.
Some of you people take this romance stuff too seriously honestly just by reading some of these posts. Lelouch at this point doesn't have romantic feelings for neither C.C. or Kallen. One could argue Shirley but she has already KTB. If someone believes that Kallen feelings for Lelouch is over with then you must be deluding yourself simply due to her lack of screentime this episode. Since the Order don't trust Kallen that much now, I see her leaving the Order once Lelouch makes his next move especially if she found out they made a deal with Schneizel and lied about Zero's death. I'm sure there will be at least one more screen between Lelouch and Kallen to see what comes out of it and same with how C.C. feels about Lelouch.
I support this message. Now then... I do not know how it was pulled off but some of the shit in this thread made me even want to leave. Congratulations. I'm out until later or someone posts something so retarded that I cannot help myself. :heh:
I support this message. Now then... I do not know how it was pulled off but some of the shit in this thread made me even want to leave. Congratulations. I'm out until later or someone posts something so retarded that I cannot help myself. :heh:
V.V. and Anya had a fling together pre-R2. The proof?
V.V. was investigating Anya due to some irregularities he sensed. V.V. acted like an obsessive stalker because he felt that something was wrong with Anya, and then when Marianne did her hostile take over, V.V. managed to temporarily force her back and then he and Anya had a sweet sweet relationship when he comforted Anya so that Marianne wouldn't do her thing again.
Why did I come up with this? Because Anya is the only one close to V.V.'s age not including his nieces.
Is this retarded enough for you to post?
Oh what will we all do when its confirmed Lelouch x Suzaku. :heh:
Bennyswan
2008-08-24, 17:39
We will burn down this thread of course, SUZAKU x LELOUCH IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!
aznegglover
2008-08-24, 19:08
CC x Lelouch would equal CC x friend's son
Just a bit whack
So let's see what further pairings are DEAD:
Anya x Lelouch, VERY dead.
C.C. x Lelouch, not entirely dead, but more and more closer to annihilated.
Anya x Gino, BEYOND dead. Anya is Lulu's mother and Gino is a Britannia lover!
Kallen x Gino, It may not seem like this episode killed it, but any hope that was left died.
However...
Schneizel x Secretary, still going on strong. ^_-
FlareKnight
2008-08-24, 19:34
So let's see what further pairings are DEAD:
Anya x Lelouch, VERY dead.
C.C. x Lelouch, not entirely dead, but more and more closer to annihilated.
Anya x Gino, BEYOND dead. Anya is Lulu's mother and Gino is a Britannia lover!
Kallen x Gino, It may not seem like this episode killed it, but any hope that was left died.
However...
Schneizel x Secretary, still going on strong. ^_-I don't think you can call pairings with Anya involved dead yet. All they need to do is boot Marianne out of her head and your fine. I'd definitely put them at risk especially with only 5 episodes to go. Don't see how CC regaining her memories makes it a step closer to annihilated than when she didn't have her memories.
Eliarine
2008-08-24, 19:41
Oh what will we all do when its confirmed Lelouch x Suzaku. :heh:
Well, that would put a stop to shipping wars. :rolleyes: Kalulu and LelouchxC.C fans would have a common reason to be upset and would become friends again and bake cakes together!
C.C. x Lelouch, not entirely dead, but more and more closer to annihilated.
...
Oh, are you talking about Lelouchxmoe!C.C? Because it took me a few seconds to understand where you were getting this from. :)
Well, that would put a stop to shipping wars. :rolleyes: Kalulu and LelouchxC.C fans would have a common reason to be upset and would become friends again and bake cakes together!
...
Oh, are you talking about Lelouchxmoe!C.C? Because it took me a few seconds to understand where you were getting this from. :)
Well no my thought was: C.C. is in league with Lelouch's mother who is apparently still very much alive. I can't say he'd be HAPPY about this turn of evens, thus turning away from C.C.
Unless Kallen pulls a cond-- rabbit out of her hat, Lelouch will probably stay single.
Besides, she's friends with his mom! What child wants relations with their mom's friend? ESPECIALLY when the friend is OLDER than the mom!! :eek:
LoL, ship Lulu x CC until the end, and even if it doesn't happen, fake that it did. :)
Well no my thought was: C.C. is in league with Lelouch's mother who is apparently still very much alive. I can't say he'd be HAPPY about this turn of evens, thus turning away from C.C.
Unless Kallen pulls a cond-- rabbit out of her hat, Lelouch will probably stay single.
Besides, she's friends with his mom! What child wants relations with their mom's friend? ESPECIALLY when the friend is OLDER than the mom!! :eek:
The same kind of guy who wanted a relationship with his half-sister.
Bennyswan
2008-08-24, 19:48
What are you guys talking about I thought C.C getting her memories back was +1 to LelouchxC.C lol
What are you guys talking about I thought C.C getting her memories back was +1 to LelouchxC.C lol
Wrong. It was a +9000!
The same kind of guy who wanted a relationship with his half-sister.
That's entirely different. When you were a kid I'm sure you wanted to marry someone in your family. Kids say stuff like that all the time. It's just a fact.
Besides, I bet Euphemia and Lelouch would've had a very healthy relationship and great kids. ^_^ Lots of incest in Europe's royal blood lines and they turned out just fine, except for all the bleeding. :eyebrow:
Well normally this event WOULD spell a +1 for C.C. x Lelouch... But since C.C. is in league with Marianne and apparently has known all along that she was still around and most likely knew that she was Anya, and never bothered to tell Lelouch...
Well Lelouch pretty much wasted half his vengeance on NOTHING. All he has left now is avenging the near-death (now DEATH) of his sister Nunally. Marianne is apparently alive and kicking LOLI ASS! :eyespin:
That's entirely different. When you were a kid I'm sure you wanted to marry someone in your family. Kids say stuff like that all the time. It's just a fact.
Except you generally don't think of them as your first love after you become a teenager, but Lelouch does. You think that having feelings for an acquiantace of your mother is weird while having incestuous relationships with your half-siblings are perfectly healthy?
Except you generally don't think of them as your first love after you become a teenager, but Lelouch does. You think that having feelings for an acquiantace of your mother is weird while having incestuous relationships with your half-siblings are perfectly healthy?
I think that's intended as more of a family joke.
Just as well, it's not unacceptable. If Lelouch and Euphemia had hooked up, nobody in Code Geass would've thought anything wrong with that.
You said it yourself, Euphemia is his HALF-sister. That's twice as acceptable as a full sister. In royal families like the ones that are shown in Britannia, historical fact says that's fair game!
Lelouch tells Cornelia he loves Euphemia. Cornelia says, "be good to her brother."
I'm serious. It's just how things work in royalty. :cool:
I said it before and I stand by it! It's just a little family joke. If Marianne was still alive, I can bet you all the money in the world she'd be making fun of him for it. <_<
I think that's intended as more of a family joke.
Just as well, it's not unacceptable. If Lelouch and Euphemia had hooked up, nobody in Code Geass would've thought anything wrong with that.
You said it yourself, Euphemia is his HALF-sister. That's twice as acceptable as a full sister. In royal families like the ones that are shown in Britannia, historical fact says that's fair game!
Lelouch tells Cornelia he loves Euphemia. Cornelia says, "be good to her brother."
I'm serious. It's just how things work in royalty. :cool:
I said it before and I stand by it! It's just a little family joke. If Marianne was still alive, I can bet you all the money in the world she'd be making fun of him for it. <_<
What's wrong with having a relationship with an acquaintance of your mother's? That's the real point I'm trying to make here. I'm using that as a comparison of how Lelouch views relationship. If he has no problems trying to hook up with someone that also has his father's DNA, I don't see why he would have any problems with an acquaintance of his mother's.
DragoonKain3
2008-08-24, 21:28
In all honesty, if Euphemia has survived season one, we wouldn't be debating on who's going to win the CCXLuluXKaren scenario, but the LuluXEuphieXSuzaku one.
And finally the day has arrived... C.C. has regained her memories. Fated, is it not? I seriously can't believe that people couldn't see this was going to happen, and were spewing out arguements that Lulu wouldn't get in a relaitonship with someone with the mind of a 10 year old or what not lol.
I also find it quite funny that people were practicaly saying that Lulu has an Oedipus complex, and that would be a point for KallenXLulu since both Kallen and Marianne were ace pilots. Now that Marianne geassed Anya to 'possess' her at times, where does this arguement hold water now? XD
Now I really REALLY like AnyaXLulu. Not Marianne!Anya mind you, but her normal self, since the dilemma of actually carrying the consciousness of his mother inside her just blows away my imagination. It's certainly a situation that you don't see very much in fiction, let alone anime. Must... resist... jumping... ship... from... LuluXMilly... :heh:
And another thing that raised my shipping metre... SuzakuXNina! These two are so alike in so many ways it ain't funny. And hey, with Nina hating the 'elevens', I'd say this would create as much drama as the one above. And with SuzakuXNunally gone, slim pickings are left for him, hehehehe. (Of course there's always Kaguya, but considering the lack of interaction between the two...)
Just too bad that with CC regaining her memories, that has practically implanted a nuclear time bomb that's threatening to blow up all the other ships.
What's wrong with having a relationship with an acquaintance of your mother's? That's the real point I'm trying to make here. I'm using that as a comparison of how Lelouch views relationship. If he has no problems trying to hook up with someone that also has his father's DNA, I don't see why he would have any problems with an acquaintance of his mother's.
I agree, the argument that Lelouch x CC won't work because she is his mothers friend falls hard on the word "petty".
I agree, the argument that Lelouch x CC won't work because she is his mothers friend falls hard on the word "petty".
a better argument would be C.C.'s age than her being Mariannes friend...I think.
a better argument would be C.C.'s age than her being Mariannes friend...I think.
what, mentally they're at the same level, and without her immortality she'd have the same lifespan as Lulu too.
what exactly is the problem? :confused:
a better argument would be C.C.'s age than her being Mariannes friend...I think.
Which is as flimsy as a piece of paper. Ages within anime doesn't usually matter much.
what, mentally they're at the same level, and without her immortality she'd have the same lifespan as Lulu too.
what exactly is the problem? :confused:
You're forgetting the ultimate ship: Immortal Lelouch x Immortal CC.
what, mentally they're at the same level, and without her immortality she'd have the same lifespan as Lulu too.
what exactly is the problem? :confused:
Which is as flimsy as a piece of paper. Ages within anime doesn't usually matter much.
hmm true rofl. My bad. But it's a better argument than her being Mariannes friend.
hmm true rofl. My bad. But it's a better argument than her being Mariannes friend.
Again, how is that a better argument? Physically, she's not that far from Lelouch; mentally, that's a choice.
You're forgetting the ultimate ship: Immortal Lelouch x Immortal CC.
I suppose that now that Nunnally's dead that's an actually reasonable possibility.
scifijimmy
2008-08-24, 21:57
I am not totally sure Lelouch ultimately WANTS immortality any more than C.C.
I am not totally sure Lelouch ultimately WANTS immortality any more than C.C.
Well, if there's anyone willing to sacrifice himself so no one else would have to suffer the curse of immortality, it's Lelouch Vi Britannia.
"now, suffer repentance together with me for eternity"
I suppose that now that Nunnally's dead that's an actually reasonable possibility.
Well, if there's anyone willing to sacrifice himself so no one else would have to suffer the curse of immortality, it's Lelouch Vi Britannia.
"now, suffer repentance together with me for eternity"
but that leaves schneizel and geass loose in the world. this episode made it pretty clear that lelouch wants to destroy geass. so if he's going to be alive and free to challenge schneizel in 22 he's going to have to have stopped geass with charles. unless we're going to have an immortal lelouch fighting schneizel :eyeroll:
unless we're going to have an immortal lelouch fighting schneizel :eyeroll:
that would be the idea.
no idea what else you were talking about. 0_o
Sprite_Coke
2008-08-24, 22:05
Well, if there's anyone willing to sacrifice himself so no one else would have to suffer the curse of immortality, it's Lelouch Vi Britannia.
"now, suffer repentance together with me for eternity"
Speaking of which, I rofled when I saw Lelouch chilling on a rock in front of Charles in the preview
that would be the idea.
no idea what else you were talking about. 0_o
sorry its a bit odd time of day so my english is likely sloppier than normal
an immortal lelouch fighting schneizel is pointless and anti-climactic. at such a point lelouch cannot lose. hardly a fair fight when one opponent is unkillable.
the rest i'm saying this episode shows that lelouch wants to destroy geass. he has no knowledge of cc being back and scheming behind his back with marianne, hence why he thought about kallen taking care of cc. he believes that he and charles are the only ones left with geass and seals himself away. add to this that if lelouch is left immortal than geass is still there and he cannot just keep sealing himself away. as long as the power exists its a threat.
Looks like my attempt to lure Var back into the Romance Thread has ultimately failed in the end..
Looks like my attempt to lure Var back into the Romance Thread has ultimately failed in the end..
You aren't saying Lelouch x CC enough.
Witacume
2008-08-24, 22:48
ok time to change the SUBJECT!
Anyone as surprise as me how freaking mature Kaguya is?
Color me astounded on how she can keep her cool,
and still show that she really did seem to care about Zero.
I hope she gets a good end whatever that means.
Sprite_Coke
2008-08-24, 22:50
She is the last remaining member of the Kyoto group. She probably has been involved with politics her whole life. I also hope that something good comes her way. She's the only purely innocent one atm
ok time to change the SUBJECT!
Anyone as surprise as me how freaking mature Kaguya is?
Color me astounded on how she can keep her cool,
and still show that she really did seem to care about Zero.
I hope she gets a good end whatever that means.
Wow, way to just plant a death flag on her forehead. :heh:
demon_god04
2008-08-24, 22:51
ok time to change the SUBJECT!
Anyone as surprise as me how freaking mature Kaguya is?
Color me astounded on how she can keep her cool,
and still show that she really did seem to care about Zero.
I hope she gets a good end whatever that means.
Interestingly Kaguya may be somewhat at the point Kallen was at in season one.
darthfury78
2008-08-24, 23:59
I'll stab someone if that happens. Just kidding....or maybe not. No more Ashford please. They wasted enough time with Ashford scenes this season.
Luckily enough I do believe Ashford times are over for good. We'll be lucky to get a real Ashford scene at the very end of the series.
The producers made the Ashford Academy scenes into the biggest comic relief of all time. In response, I was very disappointed that they turned the Ashford Academy screentime into a circus, rather than using that time to develop the other characters backgound, like Rivalz, as well as revelations into Milly's past and how she met Lelouch. I wanted the Ashford scenes to be very serious as last season, but with greater depth. The whole Ashford matter could have been handled differently. Especially if the focus was on Milly's granfather, Ruben Ashford. That would have made the Ashford scenes compelling to watch. Instead, they made it into a fucking joke!:mad:
Ashford Academy could have protrayed the other students in to the story. It might have been better because of it. One example was to seen Lelouch taking his examinations and talking to Milly and Ruben Ashford in a private setting instead of the stupid carnivals that the writers presented. Ashford Academy is a serious institute. They should have treated it as such.
Dream_Traveller
2008-08-25, 00:03
Well, they didn't. Its sole purpose, now fulfilled, was to be a breather place, an area to experience a slice of life outside of, oh, all the war, and the death, and the WORLD ENDING.
And your scenario is asinine. What good would randomly talking to Ruben and Milly would have done other than further your hopeless desire for MillyxLelouch?
You aren't saying Lelouch x CC enough.
Come on! I put two people that didn't even know each other together, you'd think that would be insane enough to bring Var in so that he can dissect the pairing until there's nothing left.
Rising Dragon
2008-08-25, 00:06
Come on! I put two people that didn't even know each other together, you'd think that would be insane enough to bring Var in so that he can dissect the pairing until there's nothing left.
Try something that's a bit more believable, where the characters know each other, and spin the tale of the pairing into something completely outrageous. Then you might get something out of him; he won't bite for something so obviously fake.
I'm too bored to drop another KallenXGino bomb on the romance thread, so I need to go for the WTF-factor to keep myself entertained.
I'm too bored to drop another KallenXGino bomb on the romance thread, so I need to go for the WTF-factor to keep myself entertained.
thats likely to get others after you since that has to be one of the most hated pairings for this show on the internet
why are you trying to get him back in thread btw?
thats likely to get others after you since that has to be one of the most hated pairings for this show on the internet
why are you trying to get him back in thread btw?
Good question, I don't really know. I guess I just like a challenge.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 01:01
Good question, I don't really know. I guess I just like a challenge.
It's rather disappointing that the thread dedicated to something as gentle as romance has turned into a place were people are purposely trying to agitate each other.
Arguably the scene from last week was one of the more romantic scenes of the season. Kallen telling him that she would be willing to die with him. Her desperately pleading to know what she was to him. that desperate plea to get them to stop after she realized what he was doing.
Last season I think it would be Lelouch's declaration that if she was a witch he would becomes a warlock so C.C. wouldn't be alone.
I just hope the show gives us some kind of closure at the end.
I actually thought C.C. having her immortality back hurts her chances. The immortal romance with the mortal are just tragic endings because you know she will out live him. There is the chance Lelouch could get Charles' Code, but I think that would be horrible. Not because it would ruin their chances as a pairing, but there wouldn't be any drama of him surviving at the end. With the Code he couldn't die while everyone else around him could. Not very dramatic.
On Kallen's side. Her entire character's development this season has been about learning more about Lelouch. The season has teased them getting closer and every time someone is about to say something it's cut off. The season has been teasing and teasing this whole time. To what end? It was Kallen who brought up the topic of Lelouch with Nunnally, and during the scene of betrayal she only addressed him as Lelouch. I think you can count the scenes where Kallen wasn't with Lelouch or thinking about Lelouch this season on one hand, maybe two. The vast majority of them appeared early in the season. Like scenes in the Chinese Embassy, and the attack to reclaim Nunnally and the Guren's flight upgrade.
For nothing to come of all of this would make her entire development in season two feel like an utter waste of time.
I think this current episode was rather right down the middle. C.C. was concerned about Lelouch. Kallen was still trying to defend him.
On Lelouch's end. He was concerned over the young C.C., and he knew he could trust Kallen.
Maybe next episode we will get a bit more information.
It's rather disappointing that the thread dedicated to something as gentle as romance has turned into a place were people are purposely trying to agitate each other.
The other alternative is having Kalulu and C.C.XLulu fans at each others throats. Is it wrong to be tired of that?
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 01:19
The other alternative is having Kalulu and C.C.XLulu fans at each others throats. Is it wrong to be tired of that?
Or we could just be polite and let other's have their beliefs. If you disagree just point out what you think is wrong about the theory. Lot of the time people are mocked or insulted just for thinking something different.
If you disagree just say so and leave it at that.
I'm a KallenxLelouch fan myself, but in my posting above I also point out that C.C. has a chance as well. I know the chances are just as good for that.
Rising Dragon
2008-08-25, 01:23
I kinda feel sorry for all of you C.C.xLelouch and KallenxLelouch fans, going through all of this needless rage or having to suffer through the fanatics going through the needless rage. I can take comfort in the fact that I don't have to pay a whole lot of attention to this thread anymore, being a ShirleyxLelouch fan.
Or we could just be polite and let other's have their beliefs. If you disagree just point out what you think is wrong about the theory. Lot of the time people are mocked or insulted just for thinking something different.
If you disagree just say so and leave it at that.
I'm a KallenxLelouch fan myself, but in my posting above I also point out that C.C. has a chance as well. I know the chances are just as good for that.
Things aren't that simple... unfortunately.
Things have died down a bit, but the tension still hangs in this thread. I've lost a lot of enthusiam for romance of any kind from a combination of the things that the show has shown and this thread, so I guess I'm just a bit pessimistic every time I come here due to that.
Not everyone has the same attitude as you. If they did, perhaps I'd still be an avid supporter of C.C.XLelouch, but as of now, I no longer go for romance and just wish for a happy ending for C.C. Lelouch can do whatever he wants.
darthfury78
2008-08-25, 01:25
Well, they didn't. Its sole purpose, now fulfilled, was to be a breather place, an area to experience a slice of life outside of, oh, all the war, and the death, and the WORLD ENDING.
And your scenario is asinine. What good would randomly talking to Ruben and Milly would have done other than further your hopeless desire for MillyxLelouch?
One can say the same thing about KallenxLelouch and C.C.xLelouch relationship pairs as well.:D
I will admit that the chances of a MillyxLelouch and KaguyaxLelouch relationship pairs are slim. :rolleyes:
But this board is way too focused on Kallen and C.C. and everyone else between them. :twitch:
Dream_Traveller
2008-08-25, 01:35
You misunderstand. Talking to her about exams or whatever of all things (and Lelouch was never the studious type anyway) does nothing to advance the plot.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 01:48
I kinda feel sorry for all of you C.C.xLelouch and KallenxLelouch fans, going through all of this needless rage or having to suffer through the fanatics going through the needless rage. I can take comfort in the fact that I don't have to pay a whole lot of attention to this thread anymore, being a ShirleyxLelouch fan.
Things aren't that simple... unfortunately.
Things have died down a bit, but the tension still hangs in this thread. I've lost a lot of enthusiam for romance of any kind from a combination of the things that the show has shown and this thread, so I guess I'm just a bit pessimistic every time I come here due to that.
Not everyone has the same attitude as you. If they did, perhaps I'd still be an avid supporter of C.C.XLelouch, but as of now, I no longer go for romance and just wish for a happy ending for C.C. Lelouch can do whatever he wants.
Reading both of these I can feel that everyone here wants change but why not try for it? I used to love this thread, but ever since episode 19 aired the atmosphere has becomes acrid. I really want to see all those romantic and cute events with Kallen comes to a great ending, but I still think C.C. has just a good a shot. If you disagree with what someone says there is no rule that says you have to reply to it. If they give you trouble just ignore them and talk with the ones who want to listen.
I mostly avoid this thread now.
I always kind of hoped that Gino would fall for Milly. That seems unlikely now. They never interact now. I just think it would be a great match. She could marry a nice guy and get status back to her family. Sadly, I think Gino stands a good chance of dying by the end. I don't know anything for sure, but it seems likely. His character was has always been so Suzaku based. Always clinging to him and being friendly. How he talked about never seeing Suzaku smile. As if his goal was to see that smile.
He seemed to think the missing photos from the album were of Kallen and Suzaku. It was that line about how a Knight of Round couldn't be seen being too friendly with a terrorist, Kallen. In fact I believe those pictures to be of Nunnally. It was all a misunderstanding.
Stretch5920
2008-08-25, 01:51
It's because people are blowing some events just way WAY out of proportion. C.C fans do it with the "witch and warlock" thing, and now Kallen fans are doing it with the "live on Kallen" thing. NEITHER OF THESE ARE DECLORATIONS OF LOVE.
It's because people are blowing some events just way WAY out of proportion. C.C fans do it with the "witch and warlock" thing, and now Kallen fans are doing it with the "live on Kallen" thing. NEITHER OF THESE ARE DECLORATIONS OF LOVE.
... They know that. Just because he hasn't made his feelings that open doesn't mean that we're to ignore the cues that indicate that they are there.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 02:07
It's because people are blowing some events just way WAY out of proportion. C.C fans do it with the "witch and warlock" thing, and now Kallen fans are doing it with the "live on Kallen" thing. NEITHER OF THESE ARE DECLORATIONS OF LOVE.
They are both very romantic sentiments. For C.C. that was his reaction to C.C. thinking she was all alone.
For Kallen. Lelouch was trying to get her out of the way to save her life, but wanted her to know his true feelings. I'm saying I know it's feelings of love. It was in the spoilers for that scene. I never wanted to post this here before, because it was a spoiler. The event has past now so I feel free to post it.
From Korean Spoilers
"Kallen stands in the crossroads of selection, can't decide whether to betray Zero with all other Black Knights or not. A lie from Lelouch hurts her feelings and she decides to leave him. However, when she's thinking about leaving, Lelouch's last line becomes the key to express his true feelings to Kallen."
Those were shown to be VERY reliable, but those spoilers never went past events in episode 20.
Though whether Lelouch meant either of those statements as being romantic or declarations of love is completely open. We have no idea what his intent was with either. Nothing is definitive right now.
It's because people are blowing some events just way WAY out of proportion. C.C fans do it with the "witch and warlock" thing, and now Kallen fans are doing it with the "live on Kallen" thing. NEITHER OF THESE ARE DECLORATIONS OF LOVE.
Love is one of the ultimate fantasies often associated with the word perfection. If love can be found, no matter how unlikely, people will pursue it since it's in their nature.
Sprite_Coke
2008-08-25, 02:41
They are both very romantic sentiments. For C.C. that was his reaction to C.C. thinking she was all alone.
For Kallen. Lelouch was trying to get her out of the way to save her life, but wanted her to know his true feelings. I'm saying I know it's feelings of love. It was in the spoilers for that scene. I never wanted to post this here before, because it was a spoiler. The event has past now so I feel free to post it.
From Korean Spoilers
"Kallen stands in the crossroads of selection, can't decide whether to betray Zero with all other Black Knights or not. A lie from Lelouch hurts her feelings and she decides to leave him. However, when she's thinking about leaving, Lelouch's last line becomes the key to express his true feelings to Kallen."
Those were shown to be VERY reliable, but those spoilers never went past events in episode 20.
Though whether Lelouch meant either of those statements as being romantic or declarations of love is completely open. We have no idea what his intent was with either. Nothing is definitive right now.
Anymore of those? Link if possible?
morbosfist
2008-08-25, 02:43
Anymore of those? Link if possible?None too relevant to Kallen and all of which have come to pass.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 02:54
Anymore of those? Link if possible?
If you'd like to see the others. They are on Koshimizu's online journal, but they are all past and there aren't anything new. Seems they came from someone who leaked the storyboards to a Korean blog. The blog was shut down.
http://koshimizu.livejournal.com/
Closest thing to spoilers now are episode summaries and those are like two sentences long that just give a rough idea of th episodes.
darthfury78
2008-08-25, 03:07
thats likely to get others after you since that has to be one of the most hated pairings for this show on the internet
why are you trying to get him back in thread btw?
In addition to KallenxGino relationship pair, MillyxLelouch is one of the most hated relationship pairings as well.
Rising Dragon
2008-08-25, 03:09
In addition to KallenxGino relationship pair, MillyxLelouch is one of the most hated relationship pairings as well.
I wouldn't say its a hated pairing. Its just really annoying that out of every 10 posts of yours, only 1 post doesn't have you gushing about how great the pairing is or how they should squeeze in one more scene between Lelouch and Milly.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 03:09
In addition to KallenxGino relationship pair, MillyxLelouch is one of the most hated relationship pairings as well.
It's not that either of those are impossible, just less likely. They aren't as well developed chances as all the other possible ideas.
Though that doesn't actually stop either of them.
I wouldn't say its a hated pairing. Its just really annoying that out of every 10 posts of yours, only 1 post doesn't have you gushing about how great the pairing is or how they should squeeze in one more scene between Lelouch and Milly.
Whether you find them annoying or not people have the right to express what they like. It's no cause for mocking the person. If you don't like their comments on the pairs just don't reply to it. Spend your time talking with someone that shares your interest.
Sprite_Coke
2008-08-25, 03:11
I hate those two pairs...
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 03:15
I hate those two pairs...
Well, no one is forcing you to comment or reply to someone that does.
I may not like those ideas myself, but I admit while unlikely they are possible.
No one can say right now that something can or can't happen without a doubt.
Rising Dragon
2008-08-25, 03:17
Whether you find them annoying or not people have the right to express what they like. It's no cause for mocking the person. If you don't like their comments on the pairs just don't reply to it. Spend your time talking with someone that shares your interest.
I don't find either pairing annoying; I have nothing against neither GinoxKallen nor LelouchxMilly, and I'm not mocking anyone. I merely said that seeing him post a different combination of the same message can get on people's nerves after a while. I wouldn't mind so much if he spoke about things other than Milly more often; I'd do the same with anyone if they went on and on about the same subject when its not even related to the current discussion. As for talking to people who share my interest, its kinda hard when Sol Falling's AWOL most of the time, and, well, you know, half of the components to my preferred pairing is gone.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 03:37
I don't find either pairing annoying; I have nothing against neither GinoxKallen nor LelouchxMilly, and I'm not mocking anyone. I merely said that seeing him post a different combination of the same message can get on people's nerves after a while. I wouldn't mind so much if he spoke about things other than Milly more often; I'd do the same with anyone if they went on and on about the same subject when its not even related to the current discussion. As for talking to people who share my interest, its kinda hard when Sol Falling's AWOL most of the time, and, well, you know, half of the components to my preferred pairing is gone.
Sorry, didn't mean to accuse you. If what he's doing is annoying you then just over look it.
Also sorry for the loss of your pairing. At least she got a great death scene and was able to tell him her feelings.
I have to say though Millay x Lelouch would be a great pair.
It's been shown and said in the past within Code Geass that Millay is the only person that Lelouch told about their past from Ashford, or anywhere. Besides Suzaku, Suzaku's family (which is pretty much inexistant at this point...), the dead maid, and the Ashfords, nobody knows that Lelouch is Lelouch vi Britannia. Note: I'm talking from the beginning of it all, not RIGHT NOW.
Lelouch has said before he trusts Millay greatly and knows that any secret is safe with her. Even if she is batshit crazy. xD
Discerptor
2008-08-25, 03:46
Well, Lelouch's statement of Kallen's purpose being to take care of C.Chii was amusing this episode. And C.C. hasn't been dead after all, just locked in C's world. <3
The events of this last episode seem to have made any romance involving Lulu totally impossible unless Marianne pulls wtfhax, but at least the OTP lives again.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 03:46
I have to say though Millay x Lelouch would be a great pair.
It's been shown and said in the past within Code Geass that Millay is the only person that Lelouch told about their past from Ashford, or anywhere. Besides Suzaku, Suzaku's family (which is pretty much inexistant at this point...), the dead maid, and the Ashfords, nobody knows that Lelouch is Lelouch vi Britannia. Note: I'm talking from the beginning of it all, not RIGHT NOW.
Lelouch has said before he trusts Millay greatly and knows that any secret is safe with her. Even if she is batshit crazy. xD
She would make a cute wife, but her as an Empress. :twitch: the nation would be bankrupt within a year from all teh crazy holidays and parties she would throw. Best to keep her away from too much power. :heh:
If I didn't think Gino had a huge death flag flying I think he would be good for her. She could marry a nice guy and get status back to her family. It's a win/win.
Well, Lelouch's statement of Kallen's purpose being to take care of C.Chii was amusing this episode. And C.C. hasn't been dead after all, just locked in C's world. <3
The events of this last episode seem to have made any romance involving Lulu totally impossible unless Marianne pulls wtfhax, but at least the OTP lives again.
He didn't say that was her purpose. He trusted her to take care of the young C.C.
morbosfist
2008-08-25, 03:46
I have to say though Millay x Lelouch would be a great pair.
It's been shown and said in the past within Code Geass that Millay is the only person that Lelouch told about their past from Ashford, or anywhere. Besides Suzaku, Suzaku's family (which is pretty much inexistant at this point...), the dead maid, and the Ashfords, nobody knows that Lelouch is Lelouch vi Britannia. Note: I'm talking from the beginning of it all, not RIGHT NOW.
Lelouch has said before he trusts Millay greatly and knows that any secret is safe with her. Even if she is batshit crazy. xDHe didn't tell her out of trust. He trusted the family she is a part of. Milly only knows because she's a part of the family.
She would make a cute wife, but her as an Empress. :twitch: the nation would be bankrupt within a year from all teh crazy holidays and parties she would throw. Best to keep her away from too much power. :heh:
If I didn't think Gino had a huge death flag flying I think he would be good for her. She could marry a nice guy and get status back to her family. It's a win/win.
He didn't say that was her purpose. He trusted her to take care of the young C.C.
Dude, are you going to tell me you'd be disappointed in having a valentine's day consisting of blue and pink heart-shaped hats with a goal to capture them for dating priveleges?
Seriously... Are you going to go there dude? ARE YOU?! Yeah I think friggin not!
As far as the Ashford trust thing: That may be so, but Lelouch DOES trust her. He says so himself the first time he thinks/mentions that Millay knows but can be trusted with the knowledge. Lelouch trusts Millay with his secrets, and he knows that she's reliable.
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 03:57
Dude, are you going to tell me you'd be disappointed in having a valentine's day consisting of blue and pink heart-shaped hats with a goal to capture them for dating priveleges?
Seriously... Are you going to go there dude? ARE YOU?! Yeah I think friggin not!
As far as the Ashford trust thing: That may be so, but Lelouch DOES trust her. He says so himself the first time he thinks/mentions that Millay knows but can be trusted with the knowledge. Lelouch trusts Millay with his secrets, and he knows that she's reliable.
I'm not talking about a lack of fun. Just worried about the nations economy. It would not be safe with her.
I'm not talking about a lack of fun. Just worried about the nations economy. It would not be safe with her.
Screw the economy.
She'll BOOST it with her sales of ENORMOUS PIZZAS!!!
You thought Pizza Hutt was a powerful pizza chain?
Pizza Hutt will be shitting hopes and dreams. :heh:
morbosfist
2008-08-25, 04:00
As far as the Ashford trust thing: That may be so, but Lelouch DOES trust her. He says so himself the first time he thinks/mentions that Millay knows but can be trusted with the knowledge. Lelouch trusts Millay with his secrets, and he knows that she's reliable.Because she earned it. Seven years of keeping her mouth shut shows, at least in that case, she can be trusted. Still, that doesn't mean he'd trust her with more important secrets.
FlareKnight
2008-08-25, 04:40
Screw the economy.
She'll BOOST it with her sales of ENORMOUS PIZZAS!!!
You thought Pizza Hutt was a powerful pizza chain?
Pizza Hutt will be shitting hopes and dreams. :heh:Heck I might support a pairing just to see that happen :D.
Heck I might support a pairing just to see that happen :D.
Dude if I can eat a pizza the size of an apartment complex...
Just...
I don't think there's a person in this world who sympathizes with C.C.'s undying love for pizza at this point. When they have ones THAT big... :eyespin:
My hope for GinoxKallen is still alive! :p
FoxxFireArt
2008-08-25, 05:29
My hope for GinoxKallen is still alive! :p
No matter how unlikely anything is still possible right now.
My hope for GinoxKallen is still alive! :p
as is my hope for charles x cc.
with 20 just having passed and neither person even remotely thinking of the other at all in any way shape or form and likely no interaction next episode what with the plot focusing on the geass, the coup, and likely kaguya and kallen and the order's internal turmoil, and the fact that he's not going to just show up on the ikagura.
so that means, likely, 4 episodes. id say its dead from a literary competent stand point. that and theres utterly no resolution to her love for lelouch so unless they turn her into a whore or gino takes advantage of her shes not going to be thinking of anyone but lelouch. so that really puts us at 3 turns or less.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-25, 07:25
I could see Gino and Kallen becoming allies and friends. And if Lelouch dies in the final episode...you can speculate as much as you want about what you think will happen in the future.
I could see Gino and Kallen becoming allies and friends. And if Lelouch dies in the final episode...you can speculate as much as you want about what you think will happen in the future.
thats fair but i could speculate kallen x every male in the order on the grounds of 'they are friends and have talked for less than 30 seconds'.
TheDisruptiveOne
2008-08-25, 07:34
thats fair but i could speculate kallen x every male in the order on the grounds of 'they are friends and have talked for less than 30 seconds'.Yes, you could. But that's the point. Code Geass is not a pairing anime. Too much crazy shit is going on to think of romance. The future of the world is at stake.
Kallen will be shown palling around with Suzaku, Gino, Tamaki, Xingke and others when the series ends. Different fans will walk away with different perspectives of this scene. Personally, I can't wait to read the Tamaki/Kallen fanfics. I expect that they will be hilarious.
Yes, you could. But that's the point. Code Geass is not a pairing anime. Too much crazy shit is going on to think of romance. The future of the world is at stake.
Kallen will be shown palling around with Suzaku, Gino, Tamaki, Xingke and others when the series ends. Different fans will walk away with different perspectives of this scene. Personally, I can't wait to read the Tamaki/Kallen fanfics. I expect that they will be hilarious.
oh im not arguing post show nonsense, cause at that point im hunting for charles cc fanfics. but to think it can/will happen in the show at this point would require: blindness or a complete fuck up on the part of the writers.
not to mention that these recent revelations are imo better for kallen than they were for cc but w/e.
NoOneKnowS
2008-08-25, 07:55
Now that Lulu imprisoned himself on that sword of Akhasa or something w/ the Charles. Only C.C. has the access to save him or something. Kallen will probably get back at the final battle against Shiezel. (Damn I can't spell names. >_<). And If ever lulu does succeed the throne. I think he'll be choosing someone to further enhance his stance on the world politically. Me thinks it's Kaguya.
he can have multiple wives so who gives a damn
Now that Lulu imprisoned himself on that sword of Akhasa or something w/ the Charles. Only C.C. has the access to save him or something. Kallen will probably get back at the final battle against Shiezel. (Damn I can't spell names. >_<). And If ever lulu does succeed the throne. I think he'll be choosing someone to further enhance his stance on the world politically. Me thinks it's Kaguya.
Seeing as how Lelouch imprisoned himself and Charles cannot get out, it makes no sense for them to be able to just waltz right into the Sword. Or its going to take them a while.
Why not, C.C is older than Charles anyway.:p GinoxKallen is still possible no matter how shitty their development are.
I'm not satisfied with episode 20, its just too rush for me. How long does it take for a kalulu kiss to happen anyway? Forever?
Stretch5920
2008-08-25, 08:43
Now that Lulu imprisoned himself on that sword of Akhasa or something w/ the Charles. Only C.C. has the access to save him or something. Kallen will probably get back at the final battle against Shiezel. (Damn I can't spell names. >_<). And If ever lulu does succeed the throne. I think he'll be choosing someone to further enhance his stance on the world politically. Me thinks it's Kaguya.
Well Kaguya would make a better Empress than the other girls.
Why not, C.C is older than Charles anyway.:p GinoxKallen is still possible no matter how shitty their development are.
I'm not satisfied with episode 20, its just too rush for me. How long does it take for a kalulu kiss to happen anyway? Forever?
well thats the point its possible, anything is possible, but garbage is still garbage. i have not come across a single kallen fan who would not think a gino relationship to be a complete betrayal of her character. so yes its possible but few people enjoy eating shit for breakfast
kallen and lelouch... god knows when they'll kiss but at this point it seems fucking inevitable
Kusa-San
2008-08-25, 08:49
kallen and lelouch... god knows when they'll kiss but at this point it seems fucking inevitable
Oh please explain us why ? You know cupahe we all know that you are a Kallen fangirl/boy but stop with you're biased point ;) (and it's not only for this thread)
As other said, Code geass is not Ichigo 100% or Suzuka, it's not a romance anime so maybe Kallen will not have his kiss (and why she will have one to begin with o_o )
In a different way, i like the interraction between Marianne and CC in ep 20. I hope we will see more of them in the next ep :)
with the same logic why would cc and shirley get a kiss
doh it's clear like the sky that kallen is in love and we're not sure if lelouch is indifferent
he did want her to comfort him when he was emo over nunally
and was going to run after her later if rolo didn't show up
well thats the point its possible, anything is possible, but garbage is still garbage. i have not come across a single kallen fan who would not think a gino relationship to be a complete betrayal of her character. so yes its possible but few people enjoy eating shit for breakfast
kallen and lelouch... god knows when they'll kiss but at this point it seems fucking inevitable
Well, now you have come across one because I don't see why pairing Kallen and Gino up betrays her character even with tons of explanations of development and logic bombs. Maybe I just really like them together because it will be funny if they did.
I remember them mentioning Kallen's kiss being moved to R2...maybe the writers changed their mind...?:uhoh:
it will betray her character because she's in love with lelouch
why would she run around kissing other guys
at least i don't do that when i'm in love!
Kusa-San
2008-08-25, 09:01
But CC and Shirley get a kiss. What i'm triyng to say that's we can't be affirmative that kallen will have a kiss. Maybe, maybe not. We're not oracle or something like that. And the fact that we don't know how Lelouch feel about girls proove this point.
of course we don't know for sure
but your post looked like you didn't want her to get a kiss
which would be really selfish
I know Kallen is in love with Lelouch, and I didn't say she'll run around kissing guys , her interaction with Gino seems unusual for some reason, which caught my attention.
But if there is a kiss it will be Lelouch and Kallen of course, whats with the almost kiss scene for then? Teasing Kalulu fans or give them hope for a real kiss in the future episodes? I want them to kiss dammit even if they didn't end up together!
whats with the almost kiss scene for then? Teasing Kalulu fans or give them hope for a real kiss in the future episodes?
Yes.:p
I still think the probablility of "everyone dies!" is still huge. Probably getting bigger actually due to the latest turn of events.:uhoh:
If everyone dies I think i'll laugh and wtf later.
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