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the.Merines

2008-07-25, 14:55

Tytania
タイタニア

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/flyingoct/9441.jpg

Broadcast Start: October 2008
Website: http://www.tytania.jp/
Production: Artland

This series was created by Yoshiki Tanaka, whose works include Legend of Galactic Heroes and Ryoko's Case File (an anime adaption of which is currently airing).

Staff listing (ganked from ANN):

Director: Noboru Ishiguro (LoGH OVA, movies; Megazone 23 OVAs, SDF Macross)
Original creator: Yoshiki Tanaka (see above)
Original Character Design: Haruhiko Mikimoto (Gunbuster, Macross 7, Megazone 23 OVAs, SDF Macross)
Character Design: Noboru Sugimitsu (Legend of the Condor Hero, Turn A Gundam)
Art director: Yasutoshi Kawai (Girls Bravo, Suzuka)
Mechanical design: Kazutaka Miyatake (Gunbuster, Gigantic Formula, Macross 7, Macross Zero, SDF Macross), Koji Ito (Cybuster, Tactical Roar, Irresponsible Captain Tylor)
Color design: Tomoko Yamazaki (Mushi-shi, Trinity Blood)
Sound director: Susumu Aketagawa (Barefoot Gen, Kamichama Karin, LoGH OVA/movies, Shugo Chara, Utawarerumono)
Sound Producer: Rie Tanaka (Nodame Cantabile, also many series as a VA)

Voice Actors (ganked from ANN):

Daisuke Kishio as Jouslain Tytania
Hiroyuki Yoshino as Idris Tytania
Kaori Nazuka as Lydia
Katsuyuki Konishi as Fan Hulic
Kenta Miyake as Ajman Tytania
Takashi Kondo as Ariabart Tytania
Taketora as Salisch Tytania

I was surprised to find that there was no thread about this upcoming series. It's one I personally am looking forward to very much. The staff list is amazing. The character designs have a very familiar feel for anyone who has been catching some of the classics from the 80s and very early 90s. A good sci-fi/space opera anime hasn't come along in a while. Definitely can't wait to see how the series plays out.

NeoSam

2008-07-25, 16:19

zalem

2008-07-25, 16:23

I'm really looking forward to this too. Nothing like a good old space opera. :)

Westlo

2008-07-25, 17:00

I'm also really looking forward to this, hopefully it can be as good as Terra e was last year. Can anyone run through the characters in that pic and say who is who?

Kovensky

2008-07-25, 17:02

I'll watch this one too :)

I love space operas :D

I'll take a look at Terra E, never watched that...

MrProphet

2008-07-25, 18:19

Well, when I first saw this show being pulled together a month ago (many thanks to Manuloz and his great blog), I frankly couldn't believe my eyes. For this day and age, the cast looks... I think "unbelievable" is the word.

It's hard to imagine another project that would bring all of THEM together, so I am going to be watching just for the pleasure and amazement of another Ishiguro/Miyatake/Mikimoto vehicle as much as for the series of such a master as Tanaka itself.

Same_Shark

2008-07-26, 05:41

This definately looks like an anime I should watch. I haven't watched a good space opera in a long time, so this should be just what I need.

tigerwoods

2008-07-26, 06:16

I'll take a look at Terra E, never watched that...
:eek: You must watch it, perhaps the best series of 2007

Tytania is one of the show I'm really looking forward to, and after seeing the staff you can understand why.

I need to catch up on Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu NOW.

TrueKnight

2008-07-26, 06:47

Anyone care to provide a synopsis on whats this about? Thanks.

the.Merines

2008-07-26, 07:12

Yanked from this article (http://www.mania.com/tytania-space-opera-hits-anime-tv_article_58791.html).

"Plot Concept: Between 1988 and 1991, Tanaka wrote three novels about a soldier who flees the spacefaring Tytania empire and seeks refuge with a force leading a rebellion."

edit: The webpage has been updated with info on the characters.

Shiroth

2008-08-15, 05:47

:eek: You must watch it, perhaps the best series of 2007
I second this.

This show is looking to be my favorite of the season at the way things are going. I just hope we get some sort of trailer before it airs.

Same_Shark

2008-08-26, 03:22

The website has been updated a bit.

TheFluff

2008-08-28, 20:41

This can only become awesome.

Shiroth

2008-08-28, 20:45

Oh nice the official blog's up now. I'll be keeping a close eye on that.

Hmm, is the 'creation' page a new add? Not sure if i just missed it or not.

the.Merines

2008-08-28, 21:02

Yeah, the Creation page is new. Not sure why they decided to put the character designs on a separate page from the character info, though.

This can only become awesome.

It's an inevitability. :)

germanturkey

2008-08-30, 23:59

i'm looking forward to this. highly recommended at another forum i go to. and i love space epics.

Kaioshin Sama

2008-08-31, 00:25

Count me in too. Hoping for an opening in the vein of Legend of The Galactic Heroes and that we get some good choices of classical music for the BGM.

monir

2008-08-31, 00:33

Well, if the show becomes anywhere near the level of LoGH, I'll set camp in this thread. Those names mentioned in Mr. P's post have me very very hopeful at the prospect of a quality show.

Radiosity

2008-08-31, 07:48

About time we got another show of this sort, looking forward to this greatly :D

FRS

2008-08-31, 11:34

Let's hope it's as good a Legend of Galactic Heroes ( and that someone sub it :heh:)

felix

2008-08-31, 12:58

A shounen manga adaptation of the Tytania novel series started serialization in the shounen manga magazine Shounen Sirius (http://www.comipedia.com/magazine/shounen-sirius)

The design of the characters (http://www.tytania.jp/creation.html) and this space adventure (http://www.tytania.jp/story.html) plot don't look too promising if the anime is suppose to be shōnen as well.
Ever since I layed eyes it I get the feelings of a shōjo series.

Shiroth

2008-08-31, 14:30

( and that someone sub it :heh:)
Yeah i've been wondering that myself. I'll be watching it raw anyway, though with no subs means a lot of people will be missing out on what should be a blast from the past.

*reira*

2008-09-01, 13:01

Trailer shown at Chara Hobby, didn't see it posted yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKdFH_eciRM

Looks nice imho, might be a good series :love:.

Shiroth

2008-09-01, 13:51

Finally, a trailer! Thanks a lot for posting it.

A shame we can't hear the music, though for now i'm happy just seeing this series in action. Looking to be very damn good if you ask me.

felix

2008-09-01, 15:12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKdFH_eciRM

Looks nice imho, might be a good series :love:.

The battlecruisers look nice. I might watch it just for the battles. *lol*

I would like to say it looks good but the victorian clothes and the overconfident looking characters are like a bad premonition.
I hope all that overconfidance isn't in some deadly battle, like most vectorian-looking anime seem to do recently. >_<

FRS

2008-09-01, 15:26

The animation look great.

tigerwoods

2008-09-01, 16:02

I'm sold, a masterpiece is coming.

Same_Shark

2008-09-01, 16:27

Hot damn! I gotta watch this!

I can't read the singer's name, but it seems the ED is called "Lost in Space."

the.Merines

2008-09-01, 19:33

As I thought, the actual character designs in action are kind of off-putting after looking at the original designs for so long, but epic space battles > my life, so I'll be watching this one way or another.

Elehayym

2008-09-02, 03:30

Hot damn! I gotta watch this!

I can't read the singer's name, but it seems the ED is called "Lost in Space."

The song is by Psychic Lover. I don't really know any of their songs but it seems that they perform quite a lot in anime-themed concerts and stuff so that's why I remember them :heh: (bit hard to forget them with a name like that XD)

DieH@rd

2008-09-02, 06:52

Looks good. Will watch.

nixie

2008-09-03, 08:02

The trailer sadly reminded me of Garasu no Kantai, but I'm still excited to see how the series will play out with such a good staff list there.

DangerMouse

2008-09-04, 13:20

As a huge scifi fan who's been dying for more anime in the actual large scale epic scifi/space opera genre, I'm looking forwards to seeing what this show is like. Looks like they've put together quite the staff for this.

Same_Shark

2008-09-04, 21:24

My main reason for wanting to watch this is because I used to watch a lot of the classic space opera shows growing up. It's really just because of nostalgia, if you know what I mean.

Kusaja

2008-09-04, 21:28

I don't expect this to be exactly like Legend of Galactic Heroes, and in some ways it's probably better if it maintains a certain uniqueness, but if it captures some of that spirit I'm definitely going to be watching this.

ragnarokr

2008-09-07, 14:55

I don't expect this to be anywhere near to LOGH, it is impossible, but I believe that this will be a good series and can't wait.

Tiberium Wolf

2008-09-09, 12:18

Trailer shown at Chara Hobby, didn't see it posted yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKdFH_eciRM

Looks nice imho, might be a good series :love:.

I can't hear a thing in that vid! Too much noise. Is there no clean version?

*reira*

2008-09-09, 15:56

I can't hear a thing in that vid! Too much noise. Is there no clean version?

I couldn't find any other version for the time being, I'm sorry. That said, I *think* the video only had background music and no actual dialogues.

Tiberium Wolf

2008-10-02, 12:24

Damn... I though it was today the airing but it was really at 9th.

Jazzrat

2008-10-03, 13:46

Ohhh sci-fi LOGH style. Count me in!

Asleep

2008-10-05, 11:17

Space Opera! I'm sooo watching!

Ryo.Massaki

2008-10-07, 23:40

I only hope that they stay away from using german words. I am not sure if i can endure another epic language clusterfuck like LOTG. They pretty much gangraped the german language.:twitch:

Kusaja

2008-10-07, 23:44

I only hope that they stay away from using german words. I am not sure if i can endure another epic language clusterfuck like LOTG. They pretty much gangraped the german language.:twitch:

I wonder if there's a German equivalent of "Engrish" then, now that you mention this...but what (very) little I've heard about this show hasn't included anything German-related, so I'd hope we can put that past us and enjoy the rest of it. :heh: Though that did have a certain charm in LOGH, as poor as the show's German may have been.

Tytania, with any luck, may have visual similarities to LOGH but should be set in its own universe...no reason to re-use that gimmick, unless the novels also had that (which would be a sign of un-originality).

Usami Haru

2008-10-09, 10:03

Just watched the first episode. :3

Oh god, I guess it's because I just love LoGH, but I found it just too good. First of all, the music was epic in every moment, even in the not so important parts. The characters all have a "something" that even if I don't know that much about them I already like them. The action scenes were actually very well animated, the trailer and the stream don't make them justice.

And Katsuyuki Konishi delivered tons of awesome as Fan Hulic. The same can be said for Hiroyuki Yoshino.

I think I am in love :love: Tytania totally delivered. Can't wait for the subs, for the OST and for the next episode. :heh:

zalem

2008-10-09, 22:57

herbert

2008-10-09, 23:54

Well, one certainly can tell Tytania is from the creator of LotGH when watching ep. 1.

Not sure how I feel about it. I need to see more. I am taking a liking to Fan Hyuric (or however you spell his name). The other characters feel kind of flat to me. But maybe I just need to get a better sense of them.

On another note, what's up with the Tytania faction pulling a gun in that Emperor's throne room? WTF is up with the guards. You'd think the moment blondie pulled that gun out the guards would rush them. I guess it's because Tytania is so powerful they fear to act against them. Man, I need subs badly for this series.
Haven't watched ep 1, but based on my knowledge from novels, Tytania is a mess compared to LoGH. You need time to sink in or you never.

Pretty much the reason. Normally firearms are prohibited from the throne room, but the men from Tytania gets privilege to keep guns. There is one comment from the book on this event:

It didsn't matter how people might look at this event, there was one fact no one could argue against - only the powerful one could punish the weak one, and no one came even close to be as powerful as Tytania's was in this universe.

Kaioshin Sama

2008-10-10, 00:38

Openings godly. Opera rules. Discussion over.

But seriously, thank god the trailer was a fake out and the opening was in the style I was hoping for.

zalem

2008-10-10, 00:49

The OP took me by surprise. Now I love classical and opera, but I can't say I'm fond of that OP. Nor do I find the OP animation sequence all that exciting either. But I suppose I'll get used to it. Or I can just skip it every time.

To those more familiar with Tytania, is Fan a fairly important character? I mean he certainly seems like he will play a role (he's all over the ED), but is he in the story consistently or is he someone who just pops up once in a while and causes all sorts of chaos?

herbert

2008-10-10, 01:00

To those more familiar with Tytania, is Fan a fairly important character? I mean he certainly seems like he will play a role (he's all over the ED), but is he in the story consistently or is he someone who just pops up once in a while and causes all sorts of chaos?He is your healthy share of Yang in this show.

Hope you understand what I mean.

Shiroth

2008-10-10, 06:08

But seriously, thank god the trailer was a fake out and the opening was in the style I was hoping for.
That i agree with.

Poor little princess --- she's surrounding by evil looking men. :(

zalem

2008-10-10, 10:12

He is your healthy share of Yang in this show.

Hope you understand what I mean.

If he is the Yang of the series, who is his opposite (the Reinhard)? I couldn't get a sense of that from the show. There are so many on the Tytania side. Is it Jouslain? Is it the blond dude Fan was fighting against?

herbert

2008-10-10, 11:15

If he is the Yang of the series, who is his opposite (the Reinhard)? I couldn't get a sense of that from the show. There are so many on the Tytania side. Is it Jouslain? Is it the blond dude Fan was fighting against?
No Reinhard this time. Don't think the author is stupid enough only made this to share LoGH's glory.

Tytania's has many characters, Jouslain is the most prominent of them, but he is never good at command fleets and is not as aggressive as Reinhard.

Something else, the princess is cute, but I still want a Katerose clone. Make a Katerose for me!!!

DangerMouse

2008-10-10, 12:08

Even though she's likely too young to do anything major is the Princess going to get involved at all?

She was surprisingly prominent in the original poster art/splash picture for the series, basically in front of everyone including the main characters. Or is she just going to be there to provide another viewpoint of the events?

Usami Haru

2008-10-10, 13:46

No Reinhard this time. Don't think the author is stupid enough only made this to share LoGH's glory.

Tytania's has many characters, Jouslain is the most prominent of them, but he is never good at command fleets and is not as aggressive as Reinhard.

But then again, nobody can be as awesome as Reinhard was. /fangirlism

Also, who liked the ED theme? It's by Psychic Lover IIRC. I loved it.

Nerroth

2008-10-10, 17:43

No word yet on who is going to sub it?

SpaceDrake

2008-10-10, 18:28

Fluff keeps teasing that he knows who will sub it, like the tease he is. Also apparently Conclave-Mendoi has expressed interest.

Tiberium Wolf

2008-10-10, 18:50

Bah. LOTGH op wasn't impressive and Tytania op is also not impressive at all.

SpaceDrake

2008-10-10, 19:36

Well, if you have no taste in awesome epic, that's your problem I guess. :V

Nerroth

2008-10-10, 23:15

Hmm...

...if Menclave pick it up, that would be nice - so long as they don't skip avi releases like they did with MF.

Oh, and ep 1 review (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/10/10/snapshot-tytania-01/) at RC - I like the intro!

SpaceDrake

2008-10-11, 00:18

The show airs in standard def only, apparently (it airs on NHK's public broadcast satellite network), so it should "naturally" be in SD for those of us with slower computers. If you see any HD MKVs, they're upscales.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-11, 08:04

I like opera, so I find the OP pretty impressive. It fits the series (i's a space OPERA after all xD haha)

As for the ED, I love it! :D I would really want some interesting love story from this xD

Marina Ismail

2008-10-11, 09:31

I....

Like how blondie was reloading his gun and all the guards are standing there with wtf faces. XD

herbert

2008-10-11, 14:17

http://www.thebenevolent.net/imghost/files/pjo7xu5oceioy8gwb40.png

The Genderbending of Tytania
http://www.thebenevolent.net/imghost/files/b928sscq1zlmyyrzvh_thumb.jpg (http://www.thebenevolent.net/imghost/viewer.php?file=b928sscq1zlmyyrzvh.jpg) http://www.thebenevolent.net/imghost/files/uv7akwr6xljzq86kmrlc_thumb.jpg (http://www.thebenevolent.net/imghost/viewer.php?file=uv7akwr6xljzq86kmrlc.jpg)

Tiberium Wolf

2008-10-11, 16:11

Well, if you have no taste in awesome epic, that's your problem I guess. :V

Did you actually read my post? I said THE OP!!!

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-11, 16:51

Good stuff but I am laughing so hard at the way the commander sitting on the throne sipping tea while conducting fleet battle. It is absurd yet somehow looks right.

Shiroth

2008-10-11, 17:09

Good stuff but I am laughing so hard at the way the commander sitting on the throne sipping tea while conducting fleet battle. It is absurd yet somehow looks right.
Yeah that made me laughing quite a bit. It's so over the top.

herbert

2008-10-11, 19:09

That part is truely great. It made me laugh harder with Ariabart's lines - by which company, this tea is produced? Buy all shares from that enterprise out.

Anyone think Yang would struggle on the decision of quiting military if he is provided a seat like that?

SpaceDrake

2008-10-12, 00:45

Did you actually read my post? I said THE OP!!!

I read exactly what you said, point still stands. http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k140/SpaceDrake/emot-v.gif

Anyway, I'm really surprised that nobody has picked this up yet. It's the second coming of LotGH directed by the man who did that and SDF Macross; surely there must be some interest?

Tiberium Wolf

2008-10-12, 01:07

I read exactly what you said, point still stands.

Unbelievable. Just coz someone doesn't like the OP you assume they dont like the series at all.

I love LOTGH. I just dont like it's OP. Dont go saying things I didn't say.

herbert

2008-10-12, 01:18

I guess it has something to do with the TV station. This said reason made Chinese sub take more than twice as much time as it normally takes to come out. I wonder if it's applied to English sub groups as well.

SpaceDrake

2008-10-12, 01:27

That'd make sense if it took raws forever to come out, but raws that are as good as they'll get (seeing as the show airs in standard def) are already out and available. I'm just kind of stunned that practically no one is even expressing interest in picking this show up; I'd figure the pedigree would have people ripping each other apart as hard as they do over something like Gundam or Toradora.

iseng

2008-10-12, 03:00

Greatly anticipating this. Central Anime might be interested. They're doing LOGH already.

RogerOsk

2008-10-12, 04:37

This episode blew me away, really. It was a lot more exciting then I thought it'd be. Even the "lol boring talking" scenes were interesting - I mean, drinking tea in such a fabulous outfit! It has a lot of charm to it. I liked both the OP and ED. The ED screamed 80s, which is awesome, and the Jrock was actually quite fitting, when I was personally dreading it before.

Also, I stumbled across a blog for anyone who wants a quick primer on a few of the characters and plot, if they couldn't understand anything in the Raw.

http://irohanihoheto.typepad.com/titania/ (http://irohanihoheto.typepad.com/titania/)

Central Anime said they're interested, but only once the DVDs come out. So for now all we have to go on in vague mutterings of unnamed interested groups that may or may not be true. Hopefully this Conclave-Mendoi pulls through with some quality, though.

DangerMouse

2008-10-12, 10:39

I hope so too, this looks like it has a lot of potential and the genre has been extremely rare. We seriously don't get enough full-on space epic type shows nor shows with these type of strategic fleet battles.

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-12, 12:09

Problem is most subbers only wanted to do moetarded, short skirt fang toothed high pitch voice girl who tries so hard to please an undeserving dunderhead while flashing white panties once in a while for titillation purposes type of series. Not forgetting maids, man, MAIDS! And childhood friend who grew into hot chick (I never have this one too, damn it).

Hence shows like this got kicked into drain like unwanted dog.

Anything that has more 2 lines of sentences per conversation will bore out most anime fans nowadays. I blame MTV and console games damn it. (hehehe)

herbert

2008-10-12, 12:33

Dude, how can they overlook the princess? The princess is made purely with moeness. Not to mention the later development somehow makes some otaku's fantasy and imagination explore.

Not to mention, Fan and Lee (who hasn't appeared anywhere other than ED) are plain yaoi materials in TV series. I have read many novel-readers cry that Fan is too handsome to meet his description in novel, in which he is said to be "handsome in a quite loose standard." Perhaps we don't get enough rotten girls here?

zalem

2008-10-12, 12:40

I think AoShen is supposed to be subbing this too.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-12, 20:52

Central Anime will wait for the DVD??? . . . huhu . . the wait ;_;

I just noticed from AoShen's site that they're picking up Tytania! YAY!! xD *tries to wait as patiently as she can* xD I want subs *_*

Asleep

2008-10-12, 22:51

I am waiting for subs too T_T I really hope someone better than AoShen picks it up though...

Abyss and Toradora is over subbed and here we don't have any subs!

songz

2008-10-13, 00:48

This show has HUGE potential and it is epic.

Too bad most fansubbers either go for moetan crap / mecha / shonen actions or excessive fanservice like shows. Then real gems like this go down the drain.

Clearly because if the show is not catered for the 10 to 18 yr old demo graph it has to be SHIT and does not deserve attention. The new Fist of the North Star also suffers from this. Nevertheless I will watch it raw if there are no subs.

FRS

2008-10-13, 02:07

Space Opera and SF sadly are not that popular.

Westlo

2008-10-13, 08:46

Aero just released the first episode.

Shiroth

2008-10-13, 08:49

Aero just released the first episode.
Indeed --- that will stop myself and everyone else complaining that we don't see a sub for the show. :p

RogerOsk

2008-10-13, 08:51

Aero just subbed it, but this is from their website:

Well, it’s a surprise release. Seeing that none has subbed this, we’ll be taking it up, most probably. After we started on this episode, we realised why none has taken this project up so far. Let me list out the cons.

# Complex sentences
# We aren’t familiar with sci-fi/mecha
# Nobility speech makes it difficult
# There aren’t many sources out there with information regarding this series
# The raws… yes they’re good but good enough to be released in 704×396.
# Oh and did I tell you that I don’t like mecha/sci-fi? :( But all the other staff do. :P

Oh yeah, and they translated from Chinese.

I suggest that if you can wait, you should wait, another release is going to be uploaded later today. And at least you shouldn't let the sub hamper your opinion of the show, if the sub turns out to be bad.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-13, 08:57

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! I can finally watch this without going "what the heck are they talking about?" in their long dialogues ^^; *hurries to download*

FRS

2008-10-13, 09:11

I suggest that if you can wait, you should wait, another release is going to be uploaded later today. And at least you shouldn't let the sub hamper your opinion of the show, if the sub turns out to be bad.

Another release as one from another group ?

aldw

2008-10-13, 09:15

More space opera scifi is always good, will definitely be keeping an eye on this one... :)

RogerOsk

2008-10-13, 09:17

Another release as one from another group ?

Yeah.
I suspect come next week, we'll actually have like 3 or 4 groups on this.

So I'm downloading Aero's, but translated from Chinese..."complex sentences"...inexperience with nobility speech....bad video quality...little information on Tytania...it's bound to be a bad sub. I just don't want other people's opinions of the show to go down because of 'bad dialogue'.

Shiroth

2008-10-13, 09:49

FRS

2008-10-13, 09:54

At worse i'll do some sub comparaison later if/when other group release something.

:)

RogerOsk

2008-10-13, 09:56

Well, you should have checked the subs out before saying people should wait for another sub, because i'm watching it now and it's not a bad job. I'd say they're fine for anyone who's been waiting to experience this show.

Well that's fine too, I'm just using my best judgement. If the subs are fine then everyone go right ahead.

Blaat

2008-10-13, 11:30

I don't think the subs are bad, but I don't think they're great either they'll do fine until (if?) there's a better group.

Having said that I absolutely loved the first episode for me it's definitely the best show of the season so far and I don't think there will be anything to beat it.

Sheba

2008-10-13, 13:40

Indeed --- that will stop myself and everyone else complaining that we don't see a sub for the show. :p
Tell me about it. I felt a building-up rage over no subs of Kurozuka.

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-13, 13:50

Space Opera and SF sadly are not that popular.

Generally any shows that requires thinking tends to get sidelined or marginalized. Even Hollywood do so.

SF/Opera tends to demand thinking audience. Tytania has quite sophisticated politics which requires a watcher to know little bit about history of aristocracy and democracy. Afterall the novels was written by a history graduate.

The novelist seems to favour royalty/feudalistic society and made a lot of subtle criticism on representative democracy (especially in Legend of Galactic Heroes). Here in Tytania you can see it again. The Federation was shown as corrupt and bloated democracy which requires strong, arch monarchistic type of man to topple it.

KrebMarkt

2008-10-13, 14:16

Generally any shows that requires thinking tends to get sidelined or marginalized. Even Hollywood do so.

SF/Opera tends to demand thinking audience. Tytania has quite sophisticated politics which requires a watcher to know little bit about history of aristocracy and democracy. Afterall the novels was written by a history graduate.

The novelist seems to favour royalty/feudalistic society and made a lot of subtle criticism on representative democracy (especially in Legend of Galactic Heroes). Here in Tytania you can see it again. The Federation was shown as corrupt and bloated democracy which requires strong, arch monarchistic type of man to topple it.

Sorry to ask but how far did you did dig into the novels ?
As much i understood Ep 1 there was no detail about of the government opposing the Titania clan.

Nerroth

2008-10-13, 14:17

Hmm...

I just hope that at least one set of subs will be in avi format - my Archos player doesn't like mkvs.

FLCL

2008-10-13, 14:18

pretty good show

i just watched the chinese subs

mandarin comprehension ftfw

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-13, 14:25

Sorry to ask but how far did you did dig into the novels ?
As much i understood Ep 1 there was no detail about of the government opposing the Titania clan.

Originally the mankind's settlement of space is united under aegis of Interstellar Federation but Tytania clan seceded from it. They were conferred aristocratic titles and won over old Federation to turn it into Empire. Well some of it.

The other opposing side is called Euria.

That's all I remembered. My Japanese is not that good.

donquigleone

2008-10-13, 14:54

I wonder how they'll translate the noble Japanese? Is there Noble English? I suppose there's alwyas the royal we.

Kaioshin Sama

2008-10-13, 19:19

Saw the first episode and loved it. Here's my blog entry on it if anyone is interested. (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/tytania-episode-01-gundam-00-is-now-going-to-be-competing-for-my-time/)

I'm thinking there's a possible chance now that I might pick this one up. It's low profile enough that I can get away with blogging about it and not ending up in a fight over the show. :heh:

Ashlotte

2008-10-13, 20:28

Very appropriate OP song considering the genre...Was interesting to see/hear the contrast between the OP and ED. I'm assuming these two will be our premier opposing forces...

Unfortunately they didn't really reveal enough about the overall plot to make any judgments, but atleast the initial battle was interesting with some interesting characters to boot. ;)

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-13, 21:37

Yay! I finally get to watch the first episode xD And I love it :) Oh looking forward to the next episode *_*

By the way, who's the blue haired girl in the ED? ^^; I don't remember her from the trailer, ehehe.

Iriliane

2008-10-14, 00:57

One thing that bothered me here, and this was a complaint I had with LoGH as well, is that for a series that is about military fleet battles IN SPACE all of the tactics are surprisingly two dimensional. One would assume that you can't just encircle your enemies in space, you have to ensphere them. However, the author's military logic rarely seems to expand beyond the second dimension.

That minor complaint aside though, and it is only a minor one, the series so far is lovely. The setting seems interesting and, like LoGH I imagine, given some time the characters should become more interesting.

gaguri

2008-10-14, 03:29

Does anyone know which group subbing Tytania is more trusted for their quality? I see three groups on the page and I don't know much about fansubbing world.

Jimmy C

2008-10-14, 04:43

One thing that bothered me here, and this was a complaint I had with LoGH as well, is that for a series that is about military fleet battles IN SPACE all of the tactics are surprisingly two dimensional.

While it may seem that way sometimes, it's not as big a problem as you might imagine. If there are only two forces involved and the objective of both is to destroy the opposition, the problem can always be reduced to a two-dimensional plane. There needs to be a minimum of 4 seperate forces to raise the problem to a fully three-dimensional one. Those 4 can be splits of the two, but that's still the minimum number.
Personally, I have more issues with them continuing to rely on a narrator to convey information in certain scenes. Haven't they realised they need to ditch the narrator? At least it's a more pleasant female narrator than LoGH's male Professor of Galactic History this time.

One would assume that you can't just encircle your enemies in space, you have to ensphere them.

"Englobe" is the word I more often hear in regards to this. And Ariabart did try to englobe the remanants of the Euria fleet, it was a brief display but it's there.

FLCL

2008-10-14, 04:43

SuperKnuckles

2008-10-14, 09:07

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-14, 12:18

Being NHK too means that it will be devoid of adult scenes and blood.

Seifall

2008-10-14, 12:21

How come this isn't in the current series ?

Anyway, seems a remix of LOGH for the battles with a better animation. I will wait to see the first three episode to make a judgment , since in this kind of series, it starts slowly.

Shiroth

2008-10-14, 12:57

Also, I find it ironic that the title is named "Tytania" and yet it's the most vile group of oppressors you can find. An anime named after its villains? weird.
Yeah i was thinking that while rewatching the first episode. There's probably a reason behind or maybe they just want the show named after the awesome guys who drink tea in battle.

herbert

2008-10-14, 13:46

Nicely made show, typical of NHK shows I guess (though Allison and Lillia felt awkward at times, visually).

The OP... WOW. It's like orchestral.... pretty damn crazy if you ask me... and I LIKE IT.

Also, I find it ironic that the title is named "Tytania" and yet it's the most vile group of oppressors you can find. An anime named after its villains? weird.
Actually, Fan and his friends are described as villains more than Tytania in books. He fights against Tytania not because he thinks he can do better or Tytania is evil, he just plainly hates Tytania for some personal reasons.

Kirarakim

2008-10-14, 13:50

Actually, Fan and his friends are described as villains more than Tytania in books. He fights against Tytania not because he thinks he can do better or Tytania is evil, he just plainly hates Tytania for some personal reasons.

That's very interesting, after watching the first episode I would have assumed it was the opposite.

Well villain or not I liked Fan the best so far :)

aldw

2008-10-14, 13:56

While it may seem that way sometimes, it's not as big a problem as you might imagine. If there are only two forces involved and the objective of both is to destroy the opposition, the problem can always be reduced to a two-dimensional plane. There needs to be a minimum of 4 seperate forces to raise the problem to a fully three-dimensional one. Those 4 can be splits of the two, but that's still the minimum number.
Personally, I have more issues with them continuing to rely on a narrator to convey information in certain scenes. Haven't they realised they need to ditch the narrator? At least it's a more pleasant female narrator than LoGH's male Professor of Galactic History this time.

"Englobe" is the word I more often hear in regards to this. And Ariabart did try to englobe the remanants of the Euria fleet, it was a brief display but it's there.

Haven't played I-war, Klingon Academy or Bridge Commander, then? :eyebrow:

musouka

2008-10-14, 14:01

At least it's a more pleasant female narrator than LoGH's male Professor of Galactic History this time.

It's Han Keiko! I'm not a seiyuu buff or anything, but I'd still listen to her narrate whatever she pleases...

NaturalManiac

2008-10-14, 16:27

Yay, ANBU, and with good old Crustol none the less! Time to watch this series that looks very interesting. :)

JediNight

2008-10-14, 18:04

My take on the show so far is it's basically bridging old school and new school space opera in one show. Which is backed up by the fact that the OP has the very oldschool song and concentrates on the Tytanian forces. While the OP is modern upbeat, focusing on the Eurian forces.

The CG does look kinda cheap by today's standards, but it's still a big improvement over how the space battles were portrayed in LOGH. And this show looks like it will have to keep a more narrow scope to reign it into 26 episodes, compared to LOGH dragging out for 110 of course.

Mei19

2008-10-14, 19:16

This show blows me away! :heh: I'm adding this to my watchlist.

golthin

2008-10-14, 19:24

leongsh

2008-10-14, 20:25

Whiteshirt

2008-10-15, 00:55

Tytania basic concept:

A galaxy full of inept military personel is conquered by a clan with AVERAGE capable people. They are now opposed by a guy with awesome military skills.

You can tell that the Tytania commander in the first episode never had been ambushed before for falling for such an obvious trap.

I disagree.

I think Ariabert was simply showing Euria and the Empire how much brute force they have. Instead of winning through tactics, they're showing everyone how they can simply crush the enemy fleet with sheer force alone. Probably a reason why it was broadcasted live on the Empire's airwaves. The minute the battle became unpredictable, the broadcast to the public was cut.

Of course, the cannons confused Ariabert. The Eurian fleet had lost a massive chunk of their fleet and now about to use unpredictable, unstable, one-use cannons. Not to mention that Ariabert had absolutely no clue that the cannons could be primed long enough for the crew to escape far enough.

I don't think Ariabert is that incompetent. After all he ordered a quick retreat even should all logic say that this is just a bluff. If anything, Fan's tactic was quite horrible - while he manged to beat back the Tytanian fleet, he's lost quite a respectable number of ships and cannons to do so. And I don't imagine the Eurian Navy being in a better situation and state than the Tytanian fleet.

Kaoru Chujo

2008-10-15, 01:45

golthin

2008-10-15, 02:44

I disagree.

I think Ariabert was simply showing Euria and the Empire how much brute force they have. Instead of winning through tactics, they're showing everyone how they can simply crush the enemy fleet with sheer force alone. Probably a reason why it was broadcasted live on the Empire's airwaves. The minute the battle became unpredictable, the broadcast to the public was cut.

Of course, the cannons confused Ariabert. The Eurian fleet had lost a massive chunk of their fleet and now about to use unpredictable, unstable, one-use cannons. Not to mention that Ariabert had absolutely no clue that the cannons could be primed long enough for the crew to escape far enough.

I don't think Ariabert is that incompetent. After all he ordered a quick retreat even should all logic say that this is just a bluff. If anything, Fan's tactic was quite horrible - while he manged to beat back the Tytanian fleet, he's lost quite a respectable number of ships and cannons to do so. And I don't imagine the Eurian Navy being in a better situation and state than the Tytanian fleet.

I never said the guy was inept. I just said that the skills that make a good commanders have not been used by them in a long time. In this battle, they used brute strength to crush the enemy and he never thought that the enemy had some kind of trap ready for them.

Even after the defeat the guy wouldn't accept that he was defeated. He said "impossible"

Does anyone have an informed opinion about the way ships seemed to wiggle a bit as they came out of hyperspace into ordinary space? I wasn't sure if that was a nice touch or looked silly. I pictured everything inside being thrown around. Apologies if this was discussed earlier in the thread.

It seems that they use the concept of "worm holes" for FTL in this story. It is the first time I see that, if looks like the ships are like turds coming out of you know where. you got to admit that it is very unique, there 5 basic ways of FTL in science fiction, Warp, Hyperspace, wormhole , jump and fold. Macross and Dune use the Fold concept. Startrek and gunbuster use the warp concept. Starwars and Babylon 5 use hyperspace. SG1 and SG atlantis use both Hyperspace and Wormhole . Battlestar galactic use the Jump.

DarkLordOfkichiku

2008-10-15, 02:55

Does anyone have an informed opinion about the way ships seemed to wiggle a bit as they came out of hyperspace into ordinary space? I wasn't sure if that was a nice touch or looked silly. I pictured everything inside being thrown around. Apologies if this was discussed earlier in the thread.

Well, it's a nice touch tot hings, considering the fact that in so many other anime, jumping in and out of hyperspace/warping are no problem as such, while here it doesn't go so "smoothly". And I'd expect that they're prepared for the "shake-up", if nothing else :heh:

SuperKnuckles

2008-10-15, 03:19

Actually, Fan and his friends are described as villains more than Tytania in books. He fights against Tytania not because he thinks he can do better or Tytania is evil, he just plainly hates Tytania for some personal reasons.

Well, that's cool in my book. War is never entirely one sided after all. But just watching the pomp and extreme power the Tytania family obviously holds, one can't help but root for the underdog, no matter what the reasoning may be. We'll see how deep the story goes from here. Fan being a bit of an anti-hero, I think that works better than him being some hero of justice.

kamikazex

2008-10-15, 04:14

man that was a pretty awesome manure.

herbert

2008-10-15, 04:34

I never said the guy was inept. I just said that the skills that make a good commanders have not been used by them in a long time. In this battle, they used brute strength to crush the enemy and he never thought that the enemy had some kind of trap ready for them.

Even after the defeat the guy wouldn't accept that he was defeated. He said "impossible"
Reply to contents under your spoiler tag: I guess it's felt like being bombed by nuclear weapon in WWII.

If amine follows novels closely, at current rate, in 2 episodes we will see the said commander shows us a part of the real strength of Tytania.

Well, that's cool in my book. War is never entirely one sided after all. But just watching the pomp and extreme power the Tytania family obviously holds, one can't help but root for the underdog, no matter what the reasoning may be. We'll see how deep the story goes from here. Fan being a bit of an anti-hero, I think that works better than him being some hero of justice.What? No way to not side with the underdog? I had thought the same thing, but I have realized that is at least one thing can change it - a cute and smart loli.

FRS

2008-10-15, 13:05

Finally watch the episode, it was quite good, i really how they mixed the old style of cloth with the hight tech gizmo (the aptic interface for the battlemap, the VR interface of the com system).

The Tytania seems to be quite ruthless, i wonder if the opposite side is going to be "white shining knight" or another grey group.

Blaat

2008-10-15, 13:23

Nerroth

2008-10-15, 13:24

I love it!

Great choice in music, too - making the contrast between the aristrocratic Tytania clan and the more democratic (or are they?) Euria.

EDIT: Looks like ANBU (http://a.scarywater.net/anbu/) are releasing it, too - with avis!

(Not sure how their sub compares to Aero's, though.)

Sinestra

2008-10-15, 16:02

Havent checked it out yet but i love Sci-Fi especially space sci-fi like Crest and Banner of the Stars. Shiroth do you recommed me picking this up?

Shiroth

2008-10-15, 16:10

Shiroth do you recommed me picking this up?
I sure do. May as well check out the first episode to see if it's your cup of tea (your kind of show).

Anh_Minh

2008-10-15, 17:18

Well, seeing that Tytania guy get his ass kicked was both highly predictable and highly satisfying.

kilroy0097

2008-10-16, 06:51

Seems a bit too kiddy level for me to watch it but I'll take a chance and see if it survives my 3 episode litmus test.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-16, 07:03

At this point, it reminds me either of LoGH (good) or Glass Fleet (bad). Oh, well. We'll see.

Shiroth

2008-10-16, 07:06

Seems a bit too kiddy level for me to watch it but I'll take a chance and see if it survives my 3 episode litmus test.
Kiddy level?

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-16, 07:10

Seems a bit too kiddy level for me to watch it but I'll take a chance and see if it survives my 3 episode litmus test.kiddy level? . . . o_O SERIOUSLY?

Even just from the art style alone, the majority can already tell that Tytania is no way some kiddie anime ^^;

kilroy0097

2008-10-16, 07:33

I reserve the right to change my mind in 3 episodes. Hence my litmus test. At least I'm giving it a chance. Give me some credit.

FRS

2008-10-16, 07:40

Not trying to troll or flame you Killroy, but why are you considering this show to be "kiddy level" ?

Shiroth

2008-10-16, 07:45

Not trying to troll or flame you Killroy, but why are you considering this show to be "kiddy level" ?
Yep, that's all i was asking. No none was having a go against you for giving the show a three episode trial --- no one at all.

Goofus Maximus

2008-10-16, 07:48

I don't know why, but there's just something about the first episode that bugged me. Maybe it was the cup of tea in the middle of a battle. I don't know. I just have a dislike for this series I can't explain. This is a first for me; I can usually pin down what I don't like about a series...

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-16, 07:56

I don't know why, but there's just something about the first episode that bugged me. Maybe it was the cup of tea in the middle of a battle....As for me, I love that part xD I find it amusing that he's having tea in a middle of a battle xD It's like something light and playful in such a serious situation xD Haha!

While Ariabart's got the tea, Fan's got the bubblegum xD I am soooo entertained xD Hahahaha :D

Ryo.Massaki

2008-10-16, 10:23

Zippicus

2008-10-16, 10:31

I've seen a couple people mention it so far, but honestly I don't see where the kiddy business is coming from. I mean when I think kiddy anime I think like Pokemon and whatnot. Fairly early in the first episode when they shot the chancellor guy for supposedly being an traitor should have cleared that up. Public execution isn't really something you see a lot in kiddy shows :p

Nerroth

2008-10-16, 10:43

Oh, I get it.

Well, in ep 2 of Kemeko DX, you see blood drawn from a gunshot wound on Sanpeita's cheek.

Clearly, this makes that series targeted at an older, more sophisticated audience than Tytania.

(Don't get me wrong, I love both shows, but for very different reasons.)

NoOneKnowS

2008-10-16, 10:59

I must after watching EP1, I'd say this is a definite gem for me. This is my first time watching this type of anime (Haven't got the time yet to watch LoGH. sight/). Oh well, First Ep1, looks like the red head Tytanian guy will be like the rival of Fan. Looking forward to that. And more drama+politics please. An EP full of space battles can sometimes be uhmm....boring or repetitive. But hey; It's just the first EP. And yeah I agree w/ the wobbling spaceship thing. I find it new, though weird.

signorRossi

2008-10-16, 11:53

Hopefully the resemblances with Garasu no Kantai will fade out as the show progresses... This show doesn't seem much 'adult' to me yet, it is quite generic looking at the first episode only.

SignorRossi.

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-16, 14:24

Shiroth

2008-10-16, 15:41

So it's basically High Class vs Rebel. :p

Anh_Minh

2008-10-16, 16:20

Xellos-_^

2008-10-16, 17:03

raw for ep2 is out

unfortunately you can't watch these type of shows without subs

tbl

2008-10-16, 17:18

I dunno man, Fan and Ariabart is like some meme of US versus UK in space like in original Star Wars where the Imperials speaks Queen's English and Rebels speaks with US accent.

This time, a tea sipping commander complete with aristocratic carryover from English Empire imagery versus a bubble gum chewing, relaxed college dude.

There was more than one empire. The English just happened to have been very good at it.

It's a reflection on empires, not the English. Speaking of which, Code Geass quite apparently drew influence from the American Civil War a whole lot more blatantly and specifically.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-16, 17:19

raw for ep2 is out

unfortunately you can't watch these type of shows without subs

Unless you're in it for the beautiful gay men and the explosions.

Molenir

2008-10-16, 18:36

SpaceDrake

2008-10-16, 18:48

Ninjacat

2008-10-16, 18:58

Sentiments like this make me weep for the future of mankind.

Hey, at least he's being honest. Let him have his fun while watching something he considers high art.

I'm sold to this series completely. It's like they were targetting me specifically. Politics! Big space battles! Heroes who have brains and guts instead of kewl powerz! :D

My only question is when we'll see the lady from the ED. There's nothing wrong with badasses in frilly suits but I'd like a bit more eye-candy targetted at guys.

Shiroth

2008-10-16, 18:59

Sentiments like this make me weep for the future of mankind.
I can not agree with you anymore then i already do.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-16, 19:21

This is one show I'm definitely going to have to pass on. Its just too lame. Nothing more then a pathetic space opera, with crappy explosions in space. I don't think I can stomach any more of this then the first episode. Well, opinions and tastes differ ^^;

As for me, I'm loving this series xD I am totally sold to the Tea Nobleman VS Bubblegum Rebel thing xD LOL!

Kirarakim

2008-10-16, 19:22

Well, opinions and tastes differ ^^;

As for me, I'm loving this series xD I am totally sold to the Tea Nobleman VS Bubblegum Rebel thing xD LOL!

I have to admit the tea didn't affect me but I was laughing at the bubblegum. It seemed really out of place in this series. :heh:

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-16, 19:49

I have to admit the tea didn't affect me but I was laughing at the bubblegum. It seemed really out of place in this series. :heh:I only noticed the bubblegum at first too, but when I've read people mentioning the tea, it was only then I realized that the tea during space battle seemed out of place too xD Bwahahaha! I am so entertained!

I like the subtle crack the series is showing xD haha. Of course those aren't my only reasons for loving it (because I'm also a sucker for political, royalty, space, and war stuff) but I admit that those amusing stuff made me love this series much more xD Hahaha!

Molenir

2008-10-16, 20:52

Hey, at least he's being honest. Let him have his fun while watching something he considers high art.
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lol, not a matter of high art, but rather entertainment. I can't stand the typical preening and posing so many of these characters do. I admit this seems better then some of the other crap I've seen, IE Glass Fleet, but at best, I'll probably wait until its complete, and maybe check out the last episode, to find out if its worth investing my limited anime watching time on something, that at this point, just looks stupid. There are a lot of other shows out there this season that are fun, and humorous, and much more entertaining. I don't have time to watch everything, so I watch what I enjoy, and thats all there is to it.

Say it any way you like it, to me, most space operas are just lame. Particularly in anime.

SagaraSouske

2008-10-16, 22:46

Crest/Banner of the Star was not lame.

Molenir

2008-10-16, 22:52

You did read the "most" part right? Yeah, Banner of the stars was kinda dumb, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. There are some other good ones too. I freely admit it. Its just Most aren't. Just like for me, most Mechas aren't worth watching either. But hey, everyone has their own likes and dislikes.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-17, 02:47

I'm sold to this series completely. It's like they were targetting me specifically. Politics!
I don't find "We're Tytania and we're power hungry bastards who make everyone from the Emperor on down pee themselves" to be very elaborate, as politics go.

Blaat

2008-10-17, 03:20

I don't find "We're Tytania and we're power hungry bastards who make everyone from the Emperor on down pee themselves" to be very elaborate, as politics go.Although you're right, knowing that the Tytania novels are written by the same person who wrote LotGH I think we can safely say that politics will be an issue.

JediNight

2008-10-17, 04:21

I dont like the chara designs that much, especially after watching LOTG. The chara designs look dumbed down and too modern.
The way the refrain from showing blood was stupid. In LOTG you would see the entry wound and some blood.
It shows me that they aim for a younger audience.
If it stays too "kiddy" i am out.

LOGH was an OVA, they can get away with considerably more violence than is allowed on regular television. There has also been more of a crackdown in the past few years on violence in anime on regular TV due to high-profile violence among teens. You see a lot more "censored" violence in TV raws as compared to the DVD versions for many shows.

Tytania as a show is basically a clash of oldschool and newschool space opera. Ariabert goes to show you just how out of touch the Tytania family is with reality. They've been in a position of absolute dominance for generations, so they've grown complacent in tactics and frivolous things like the Victorian command room, etc.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-17, 06:10

most space operas are just lame. Particularly in anime.This got me curious . . . so what space opera anime that you don't find lame? I've only seen (or at least remember watching) two others aside from Tytania. But the other two I'm talking about had a mix of fantasy and supernatural stuff ^^; So Tytania will be the first for me that isn't like that. I've heard of LoGH and Crest/Banner of the Stars, but haven't seen it yet ^^; Ehehe.

Heibi

2008-10-17, 08:32

This got me curious . . . so what space opera anime that you don't find lame? I've only seen (or at least remember watching) two others aside from Tytania. But the other two I'm talking about had a mix of fantasy and supernatural stuff ^^; So Tytania will be the first for me that isn't like that. I've heard of LoGH and Crest/Banner of the Stars, but haven't seen it yet ^^; Ehehe.

LOGH is available on our website. http://a.scarywater.net/ca/

We are currently redoing them to DVD. Download 1 and 2 and you'll see the combat side. 3 and 4 will give you the political intrigue side. It's an awesome series.

SuperKnuckles

2008-10-17, 08:42

I don't find "We're Tytania and we're power hungry bastards who make everyone from the Emperor on down pee themselves" to be very elaborate, as politics go.

I don't think we can really understand how deep an anime could be in their political and story themes from the first episode for the most part. I think there's potential if all the novel followers are of any indication and the anime follows suit. I just hope it doesn't stray wildly from the source like some nhk-funded anime tends to do from time to time.

And speaking of the whole 'space operas are lame', I do think that's really out of context. Try saying "mecha anime are lame" in a Gundam thread. That really doesn't jive there... Also, space operas don't really get much if any play in Hollywood movies and there's smatterings of it on sci-fi. I think anime has done quite a lot of justice for space operas and anime had a pretty damn good history as far as space operas go. Bebop, Outlaw Star, Voices of a Distant Star (arguably romance, but the theme is pretty space opera-ish), Galaxy Express 999, Captain Harlock, Crest/Banner of the Stars, etc etc.

If you think about it, space opera probably had the most celebrated status in anime format.

I'm almost shocked how people can just totally trash sports anime and space opera anime nowadays. They are a longtime staples in anime for a reason.

leongsh

2008-10-17, 09:54

I'm almost shocked how people can just totally trash sports anime and space opera anime nowadays. They are a longtime staples in anime for a reason.
A bit off-topic but I gather that most anime fans who do trash those 2 genres are mostly the more recent fans to anime, like say, 10 years back. Yes, I still consider 10 years as recent =P since I've been watching anime in the late 70s. Personally, I enjoy those 2 genres, as well as mecha and those with sci-fi themes. This is substantially due to these were the common anime genres back then when I was a kid in the 70s watching them - giant robot, space voyages/operas and sports anime, and followed by mecha as we know it from MS Gundam and Macross.

signorRossi

2008-10-17, 10:11

This is one show I'm definitely going to have to pass on. Its just too lame. Nothing more then a pathetic space opera, with crappy explosions in space. I don't think I can stomach any more of this then the first episode.

I am with you, Molenir! The first episode doesn't seem very promising, to say it gently. :p
I have watched LotGH and liked it, only took me a few days to finish (my poor eyes!).
And Crest/Banner of the Stars was indeed lame! :p What did they actually fight for in it? Never got that. Please don't take this as an invitation to an argument, this is just my opinion and I am fine with it if others think different, but I had to say it!

SignorRossi.

Ninjacat

2008-10-17, 11:05

I don't find "We're Tytania and we're power hungry bastards who make everyone from the Emperor on down pee themselves" to be very elaborate, as politics go.

That's how you see it. I don't see how they could cram more politics in a single episode. They show how the Tytania rule by fear, why that other nation fights (mostly greed), why that battle happened the way it went, how the minor powers see the Tytania...

As far as anime space-opera goes it's a very strong first episode, but that's not saying much if you think the entire genre is 'lame" I guess.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-17, 11:06

I'm not the one who said that. (Twice in five minutes I have to write that...)

As a matter of fact, I love Space Opera. Except Glass Fleet.

And the politics of the situation are simple. Officially, Tytania aren't in charge and have no land. In actuality, everyone's deathly afraid of them and they do whatever they feel like. There is no credible conflict from within because everyone is paralysed in fear of them. How is that complicated? Or interesting? There's basically Tytania and the peons.

Possibly it'll change once they're handed a few defeats. But in that first episode, there's nothing politically noteworthy.

Ninjacat

2008-10-17, 11:13

Oops! Sorry. I suppose I conflated the two. :heh:

Sorry about that.

The last part still hold I guess, It's just not adressing you specifically.

As I said, they cram a lot of info in 22 minutes. I agree that it would be disapointing and shallow if they end up never building up on that introduction.

NoOneKnowS

2008-10-17, 11:32

I don't find "We're Tytania and we're power hungry bastards who make everyone from the Emperor on down pee themselves" to be very elaborate, as politics go.

Well at least that's just the premise of the story as what we've seen. Maybe some internal feuds etc.. will cause Tytania to fall apart and at the end will be restored w/ more better officials/head/whatever etc....Hey; the anime is called Tytania. So I'm kinda expecting a lot more drama w/in Tytania. Of course w/ a fair amount of screen time w/ the other factions aside from Tytania.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-17, 11:45

Oh, yeah. Later, there may be politics. The internal politics of Tytania, if nothing else.

But at ep 1, gushing on the political content of the series seems premature to me, is all.

gaguri

2008-10-17, 12:27

I agree with you Anh Minh. I wasn't sold on politics in episode one.

But after watching episode two, I think there is plenty of interesting internal politics of Tytania, which I hope will flesh out further in future episodes.

I have a lot of things to say about the first two episodes, but here is a part of my tl;dr post from another forum=

slow-paced, rich with interesting and subtle details, no obvious flaws to point out, tons of potentials but nothing ball-grabbing (which I thought the recent ef - tale of melodies proved to be in each episode). Not that I'm complaining that every great works need to open with a bang. Certainly it feels much like typical Classical literature at this point, you know, extremely slow at first, building all the details behind the characters and the world first, then you have a solid foundation to reach high withoutu falling flat.

That was my general impression without spoiling anything, since I think subs have not caught on yet.

FLCL

2008-10-17, 13:10

@ elitists who bash genres: why are you even bothering with this...keep your opinions to yourself

@ the plot and politics: from what i can gather, this is a very deep plot,and pretty much its impossible to draw the entire background of the story in 1 episode, i think this is a show that as it fleshes out could become epic.

i used to play battlefleet gothic when i was younger, this is a dream come true for me

SagaraSouske

2008-10-17, 13:26

MooMooFarm

2008-10-17, 23:13

TYTANIA FRONTIER. WITH MORE FABULOUS SCHNEIZEL LIKE KNEE HIGH BOOTS FOR ALL!

Seriously, this series is hilarious. Not super hilarious, cause the VA's do a decent job covering up that half of them just came from another job last season, but hey! It still took me 10 seconds to figure out Bobby was the Lord Tytania hahahaha. Kinda makes sense I guess since if they ever make some giant robot come outta nowhere, he's the one that's gonna go OORRYYYAAAAAA and spin the damn wheel on it.

I think this series would've been very very good if it was released during the H-game era with fate/stay and utawarerumono.

zalem

2008-10-17, 23:44

I have to agree with Anh_Minh's take on the politics so far. It's rather simple, if not boring. But it is just the beginning so I suppose I should give that more time.

That said, I'm not all that impressed with this series so far. It's not bad, but neither is it very good. I love politics and intrigue, but I'm not feeling it in this series at the moment. But I think my main issue is the characters. They just bore me to tears right now. Fan is the only interesting one and even he is a bit on the generic side. Hopefully the next few episodes will change my mind and I'll be hooked, but for now I have my reservations about this series.

TakiAD

2008-10-18, 00:27

I think episode two did a decent job explaining how everything is not what it seems in both Tytania and Euria. So it might shed some light on those people who thinks that the politics in episode one was simple.

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-18, 02:22

A good space opera with plausible tactical space combat and technological advancements that has complex politics - internal, foreign and inter-specie, would be the Honor Harrington series by David Weber.

Crest/Banner of star series is interesting because of the whole concept of Abh.

That will be awesome series to be adapted but most people will bored to death since the space battle is fairly cerebral and long distance. No singing divas, missle spams and transforming mechas.

Westlo

2008-10-18, 09:58

Novel readers who's the chick in the ED?

Xellos-_^

2008-10-18, 14:09

That will be awesome series to be adapted but most people will bored to death since the space battle is fairly cerebral and long distance. No singing divas, missle spams and transforming mechas.

No singing divas or transforming mecha but no missile spam?

Every battle is practically a missile spam fest.

orion

2008-10-18, 15:19

I never had so much fun cheering on the rebel force.

Novel readers who's the chick in the ED?

Yeah, I want to know who she is too.

Shiroth

2008-10-18, 18:28

Second episode was yet again brilliant. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this show will go in terms of story at this point. Also, i'm interesting in this girl that Fan meets in the third episode.

The musical score really impressed me in this episode. Can't wait for it's release.

ani_d

2008-10-18, 18:33

I told myself I'm gonna watch this once it airs. I've only seen the first episode so far and I'm having a hard time telling who's the main main character here. :| This series have yet to impress me but I guess I'll stick around and watch more episodes. I guess.

Shiroth

2008-10-18, 19:08

Ah, looks like the clip of the girl we see in the preview of episode three is from the ED. Shame short pants.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-18, 19:37

I just noticed the second episode sub released . . . *downloads in a hurry* xD

LOGH is available on our website. http://a.scarywater.net/ca/

We are currently redoing them to DVD. Download 1 and 2 and you'll see the combat side. 3 and 4 will give you the political intrigue side. It's an awesome series.Thanks! :) Whoa to yet a new item on my very long shows-to-marathon list xD Heehee

Shadow Kira01

2008-10-18, 20:21

So, this will be the new show that replaces Code Geass R2? Tytania surely resembles Britannia and will it be "All Hail Tytania!"? :D

Cyz

2008-10-18, 21:09

Ah, the show really reminds me of Crest/Banner of the Stars (and I like those btw).

yang_wen_lee

2008-10-18, 21:19

Hi

I've seen the first Epi ( from Aero ) It's cooool & I'm downloading the 2nd Epi... (from Deer)..

I can't stop comparing bt LoGH & Tytania but ofcourse LoGH is much better...

I have a Qestion:
The battle bt Aliabart & Fan doesn't look like the first battle bt Yang Wen-Li & Rienhard von Lohengram ?

What else
Ah........................
ANBU sub is coming out too

see yaa

tbl

2008-10-18, 22:00

I believe Jouslain is the main character and Admiral Kamina is second.

zalem

2008-10-18, 23:45

So, this will be the new show that replaces Code Geass R2? Tytania surely resembles Britannia and will it be "All Hail Tytania!"? :D

Well, to be fair Tytania was around in novel form long before Code Geass. I'm sure CG's Britannia was probably a little influenced by LOGH and Tytania. Though to be honest, I prefer Britannia to Tytania so far. More interesting characters. But that's just me.

herbert

2008-10-19, 00:36

Novel readers who's the chick in the ED?

Lila, or something like that. She will be in ep3.

You sure you want to know more?
She is kind of one shoot character. If anime follows novel closely, she will stay only two or three episodes then be gone for good. She does have some sorta impact in plot, but I can't see she is important enough to get that much screen in ED, especially considering how little Dr. Lee gets. Guess because she is only good looking female in rebel side.

Kaoru Chujo

2008-10-19, 01:49

Slow as molasses, but gradually building interest. Resembles LoGH, but not either Crest/Banner or Geass, for me. Jouslain, the Lord, and the minister are interesting/attractive characters. Fan Hulic isn't, yet, for me.

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-19, 04:15

Tytania is more like character study. Crest and Battlebanner is more like narrative of the space empire.

That's how I see it.

tbl

2008-10-19, 04:16

Sorry if this been asked before, but how many episodes?

Westlo

2008-10-19, 04:22

Looks like it's set for 26 episodes.

@ herbert

hmmm interesting... maybe we're due for some Towards the Terra style rewrites... were the novels conclusive?

Shiroth

2008-10-19, 05:17

Fan Hulic isn't, yet, for me.
I quite liked him in the second episode. He's like a nice piece of fresh air, and that's how i treat his high spirited character.

hmmm interesting... maybe we're due for some Towards the Terra style rewrites...
I was thinking the exact same thing.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-19, 05:28

Hee. The most heroic bum in the universe.

I've been looking forward to Jouslain's development since ep1. The Lord has started gaining my interest in ep2.

I like Fan, but he still seems pretty generic.

orion

2008-10-19, 07:13

The mighty empire of Tytania has caused a fansub group to declare defeat. Tytania's ambition is apparently not just limited to space. :heh:

Gotta turn lemons into lemonade. It's a shame to lose a group.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-19, 07:30

Just seen episode two.

I don't like Fan's womanizer side, but he's the most fun character in the series xD He cracks me up. Hooray for the most heroic bum in the universe :D LOL!

Is it just me or it seems that Jouslain's nicest to Ariabart? xD Oh I love nice cousins xD

But his thinking seems to be complicated and has some own objectives too. Interesting. Oh, who's the woman with him by the way? His secretary or something? x_X

I am amused when Idris plays with his hair xD Haha!

I love the entertainment this series gives me xD Can't wait for episode 3 :D

Anh_Minh

2008-10-19, 07:32

Just seen episode two.

I don't like Fan's womanizer side, but he's the most fun character in the series xD He cracks me up. Hooray for the most heroic bum in the universe :D LOL!

Is it just me or it seems that Jouslain's nicest to Ariabart? xD Oh I love nice cousins xD
I don't know about you, but my first thought when they were left alone was "yaoi". My second thought was "Wait, does that mean that the other two..."

But his thinking seems to be complicated and has some own objectives too. Interesting. Oh, who's the woman with him by the way? His secretary or something? x_X

At a guess - she's a relative who supports and has a crush on him.

Shiroth

2008-10-19, 07:36

"Wait, does that mean that the other two..."
That's one horrible thought.

At a guess - she's a relative who supports and has a crush on him.
Don't know why but i quite like her and that scene in episode two. I hope she has a bit more scenes (and a bit of development) as the show progresses.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-19, 07:52

That's one horrible though.

That'd be why my third thought was "Gah. Too much anime."

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-19, 07:59

I don't know about you, but my first thought when they were left alone was "yaoi". LOL! I'm not a yaoi fangirl and I'm the type that when she sees two guys having a nice relationship, friendship and kinship love come to her mind first xD
But I admit I'm amused with shounen-ai though (yaoi's too mature and disturbing for me x_x) and actually wouldn't mind if there'll be such a pairing in this series xD Haha!

My second thought was "Wait, does that mean that the other two..."ROFL! That is just so wrong . . .in many ways . . .. BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

At a guess - she's a relative who supports and has a crush on him.Ah, very possible. I also think she's the type who admires him a lot and will support him in anything.

Don't know why but i quite like her and that scene in episode two. I hope she has a bit more scenes (and a bit of development) as the show progresses. I wish so too xD She caught my interest and it would be really nice if she gets some development soon :)

ZeusIrae

2008-10-19, 08:31

Tytania shows its cards.It's going to be significantly different from logh.

So they make it clear that euria's a side show, what is at stakes is the succession between the four brothers.

Aryabatha failed because his reputation his now tarnished and he lost his composure in front of the Lord Ajuman.
Salish and Idris are too ambitious and not subtle enough so the lord Tytania is left with Jislain who like any good politician remains mysterious and inscrutable.Now our heroic bum is going to travel and we're going to discover the universe with him.
sta
I am not really surprised by Euria's plan.Either, it was a symbolic resistance or attempt to buy time for something else.Well, it was the former.

FRS

2008-10-19, 09:18

It almost feel like that jouslain doesnt want to be the successor, he didnt join the dog pile on Aryabatha and just gave his analysis on the situation.

Let's see now where Fan Hulic will go from here.

Kirarakim

2008-10-19, 10:17

I love Fan okay I admit he is sort of unoriginal but I just have a thing for his character type. He sort of reminds me of Mat Cauthon from the Wheel of Time series. :p

But I like the Tytania crew too. I really loved how they opened up telling us each character's strengths and weaknesses. I felt pretty bad for Aliabart in this episode having a meeting to discuss his defeat but I definitely enjoyed this aspect of the series.

And I guess Tytania is metaphorically like America or any super powers of the past. Although the fact that Tytania was only around for 200 years reminds me of the US.

My only complaint is the lack of well written female characters.

Blaat

2008-10-19, 11:11

Shiroth

2008-10-19, 11:13

As for female characters, LotGH doesn't have that many to begin with, wouldn't be surprised if it were the same with Tytania.
We're already seeing quite a few, and looks like the girl we see in the preview for episode three will be quite important.

Also Coffee the drink of defeat -- the one drink i have all the time. D:

Blaat

2008-10-19, 11:15

Of course, forgot about her ^^ And I too, drink coffee all the time guess I have to switch to tea. :p

Anh_Minh

2008-10-19, 11:21

Try fruit juice. Apparently, the drink of defeat is anything bitter.

Xellos-_^

2008-10-19, 11:24

We're already seeing quite a few, and looks like the girl we see in the preview for episode three will be quite important.

Also Coffee the drink of defeat -- the one drink i have all the time. D:

Of course, forgot about her ^^ And I too, drink coffee all the time guess I have to switch to tea. :p
good thing i stay away form coffe

Kirarakim

2008-10-19, 11:27

We're already seeing quite a few, and looks like the girl we see in the preview for episode three will be quite important.

Well hence why I said well written. Female characters who just act as supports to the male characters I don't consider well written. But I guess that is a matter of opinion and there are still episodes to go to establish the few female characters we did see.

Tytania has nothing to do with America, but has more in common with the clans that controlled Japan in the past such as the Tokugawa's during the Edo period. During the Edo period while the Emperor was the head of state it was the Tokugawa's who ran Japan.

I guess it was the 200 year comment that made me think of America but I guess with the emperor only being a figure head and Tytania being the real power this makes more sense. Thanks for the information!

And looking up some quick information on the Tokugawa it seems they were only in power for about 200+ years as well.

Shiroth

2008-10-19, 11:32

good thing i stay away form coffe
My coffee and tea drinking is about 50% each, so i guess i'm canceling out the taste of defeat. :heh:

Well hence why I said well written. Female characters who just act as supports to the male characters I don't consider well written. But I guess that is a matter of opinion and there are still episodes to go to establish the few female characters we did see.
Oh i agree with you, but if we don't see any well written female characters in this show by the end, it won't effect my overall opinion on the series.

Kirarakim

2008-10-19, 11:34

Oh i agree with you, but if we don't see any well written female characters in this show by the end, it won't effect my overall opinion on the series.

It won't necessarily affect my view either. I can still enjoy the series without well written female characters but I guess I might consider it a flaw in something that is otherwise very well written so far. :)

And I am also a 50% coffee and tea drinker. I probably drink more tea in the winter and more iced coffee in the summer. :)

herbert

2008-10-19, 12:01

@ herbert

hmmm interesting... maybe we're due for some Towards the Terra style rewrites... were the novels conclusive?Rewrite is a must. The author is well-known his laziness, this series is an prime example of that. He started at 1988, finished vol. 3 at 1991 then no info. on new release till now. The story just gets into middle part at best.

NoOneKnowS

2008-10-19, 12:28

Those Tytania guys can form a sentai team w/ those different uniform color gimmick. Though redhead guy needs to be in fusha. Then that tea-drinking wuss in pink. That knucklehead dude in yellow and long hair-kun in purple then I'll be more happy than ever.

Ep2 is better than EP1. More verbal battles and etc....More fun than watching ships get kaboom. lol.

Ninjacat

2008-10-19, 16:33

Nice second ep. It was amusing to see how nasty the four kids can get when daddy isn't around. Not a single laser was fired but man was this episode brutal!

It seems what really matters isn't that Ariabart lost that battle, it's that he had a crappy attitude about it and apparently refuses to learn from it. Bad for him.

The youngest of the Tytania scares me...

MushroomSamba

2008-10-19, 17:04

It won't necessarily affect my view either. I can still enjoy the series without well written female characters but I guess I might consider it a flaw in something that is otherwise very well written so far. :)

And I am also a 50% coffee and tea drinker. I probably drink more tea in the winter and more iced coffee in the summer. :)

I'm surprised you'd consider that a "flaw". I mean, certain genres may call for well-written female characters, but in this show, it isn't a main concern whether they're male or female. It'd be like criticizing Chi's Sweet Home for not including more puppies. Does it really matter?

It's one thing to say you'd personally prefer more female characters, but to say a show is "flawed" because the cast is predominately male is a bit harsh. With Tytania, it's only a problem for me if the characters are poorly written, not which type of genitals they're sporting.

Kirarakim

2008-10-19, 17:49

I'm surprised you'd consider that a "flaw". I mean, certain genres may call for well-written female characters, but in this show, it isn't a main concern whether they're male or female. It'd be like criticizing Chi's Sweet Home for not including more puppies. Does it really matter?

It's not the same thing at all because Chi's Sweet Home has nothing to do with puppies.

First of all I didn't say that the flaw was having a few female characters, I said the flaw was not having well-written female characters. As a fangirl trust me I don't mind that the majority of characters are male at all but since Tytania is a real society I hope the female characters that are in the series are not going to just be supports for the male characters and if they are then this to me would be a flaw. Of course this is all just speculation so I don't think it matters at this point. It's not like I am writing off the series and saying it is awful because I have one possible issue with it. And again I don't even know if this really is an issue.

Nerroth

2008-10-19, 19:50

Just saw the new ep - not bad!

I wonder, though:

will the shoe-shining kid be in the story again, based on what happens in the novels? For them to put her in the ED, there seems to be more to her than just a bit part in one episode...

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-19, 21:05

Also Coffee the drink of defeat -- the one drink i have all the time. D:Good thing I actually stay away from coffee xD Wahehehe . . . . but I also dislike tea and wine x_X . . . .I wonder if Tytania will introduce more meanings to other drinks. LOL!

Xellos-_^

2008-10-20, 11:52

Tytania has nothing to do with America, but has more in common with the clans that controlled Japan in the past such as the Tokugawa's during the Edo period. During the Edo period while the Emperor was the head of state it was the Tokugawa's who ran Japan.
I'm sure a historian can give you a better example.

As for female characters, LotGH doesn't have that many to begin with, wouldn't be surprised if it were the same with Tytania.

one the hallmark of logh is how insignificant character that was introduce in the beginning were shown to be important characters later. I wouldn't be surprise if secretary form Ep2 returns as a more important character at a later date and the author has a tendency to take his time in introducing characters.

Sheba

2008-10-20, 12:50

The secretary was hot, I concede that.

My favorite part was the evaluation of the four dukes by the butler, and how the four dukes played their game during that de-briefing of the battle.

Archmagination2002

2008-10-20, 13:31

Does anybody know what the name of the band who does the EP and the name of the song? I like that song.

Shiroth

2008-10-20, 13:40

Does anybody know what the name of the band who does the EP and the name of the song? I like that song.
Lost in Space by Psychic Lover.

Xellos-_^

2008-10-20, 14:08

Lost in Space by Psychic Lover.

and none of the character is name will? what a outrage.

4Tran

2008-10-20, 19:01

The first couple of episodes of Tytania feel a lot like Legend of Galactic Heroes Mk.II to me. As it stands, the tactics in Tytania remind more of the kind of thing that was in Romance of the Three Kingdoms than revolving around anything more modern, just like the older show. I was hoping that there'd be some significant difference in the feel between the two, but the show itself seems decent enough.

One big weakness that seems to be carried over is that the battles themselves look to be decided by gimmicks rather than superior strategy or operational-level planning. This is exemplified by the suggestion that Ariabart had no way of countering Fan Hulic's tactic. In truth, Ariabart made the twin fatal errors of hubris and recklessness - if he had deployed his fleet with greater skill, he should have been able to salvage a victory even after the one-shot cannons were fired off.

I love Fan okay I admit he is sort of unoriginal but I just have a thing for his character type. He sort of reminds me of Mat Cauthon from the Wheel of Time series. :p
My own pick would be a mix of Yang Wenli and Justy Ueki Tylor.

My only complaint is the lack of well written female characters.
From the Legend of Galactic Heroes experience, I have the feeling that this trend is going to continue to the end.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-21, 02:36

The first couple of episodes of Tytania feel a lot like Legend of Galactic Heroes Mk.II to me. As it stands, the tactics in Tytania remind more of the kind of thing that was in Romance of the Three Kingdoms than revolving around anything more modern, just like the older show. I was hoping that there'd be some significant difference in the feel between the two, but the show itself seems decent enough.

One big weakness that seems to be carried over is that the battles themselves look to be decided by gimmicks rather than superior strategy or operational-level planning. This is exemplified by the suggestion that Ariabart had no way of countering Fan Hulic's tactic. In truth, Ariabart made the twin fatal errors of hubris and recklessness - if he had deployed his fleet with greater skill, he should have been able to salvage a victory even after the one-shot cannons were fired off.

I took it more as a suggestion of Jouslain's mercy. The truth is that of course he'd have done things differently (especially with the benefit of hindsight...) but wouldn't say so to spare Ariabart's feelings.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-21, 03:26

Anh_Minh

2008-10-21, 03:27

That, or he's the most gifted backstabber... time will tell. (The youngest looks more like a backstabber. Which, of course, ought to make him a rather bad one.)

Shiroth

2008-10-21, 05:14

That, or he's the most gifted backstabber... time will tell. (The youngest looks more like a backstabber. Which, of course, ought to make him a rather bad one.)
They've gotta backstab each other in the same episode at some point. It just has to happen.

sapphire-pyro

2008-10-21, 05:35

That, or he's the most gifted backstabber... time will tell. (The youngest looks more like a backstabber. Which, of course, ought to make him a rather bad one.)I can imagine him as a backstabber when he was talking to the girl at episode 2. He was saying like he'll only help out if Tytania will be in a super terrible situation. Oh that guy is such a mystery. Not only the fellow characters, but even fans will have difficulty on what the hell he's thinking xD
They've gotta backstab each other in the same episode at some point. It just has to happen.I can imagine that happening. I don't want all of them to backstab each other but . . .that's really possible ^^; No complains if done well :D hehe

Anh_Minh

2008-10-21, 07:16

They've gotta backstab each other in the same episode at some point. It just has to happen.
I've just realised it, but... backstab. Hur hur. If you know what I mean. And I think you do. ;) :heh:
I can imagine him as a backstabber when he was talking to the girl at episode 2. He was saying like he'll only help out if Tytania will be in a super terrible situation. Oh that guy is such a mystery. Not only the fellow characters, but even fans will have difficulty on what the hell he's thinking xD
Dunno. His basis doesn't seem that mysterious to me. He looks like a "big picture" kind of guy who's growing progressively more disgusted with the self-centredness of his family, especially his cousins.

Of course, I could be way off.

Shiroth

2008-10-21, 07:47

I've just realised it, but... backstab. Hur hur. If you know what I mean. And I think you do. ;) :heh:
I walked right into that one without even releasing it! D:

Westlo

2008-10-21, 07:59

Rewrite is a must. The author is well-known his laziness, this series is an prime example of that. He started at 1988, finished vol. 3 at 1991 then no info. on new release till now. The story just gets into middle part at best.

Interesting, lets see where this goes.

4Tran

2008-10-21, 21:59

I took it more as a suggestion of Jouslain's mercy. The truth is that of course he'd have done things differently (especially with the benefit of hindsight...) but wouldn't say so to spare Ariabart's feelings.
I find this unlikely for a few reasons. If Jouslain had really acted out of a sense of mercy, he would have reflected on it after the meeting. If Jouslain had thought of a better plan, he would have known that Ariabart would have done so as well. Holding it back in that circumstance is thus not an act of mercy; rather it'd be an act of condescension.

After all, a better tactic is as simple as holding back a decent-sized reserve and not personally rushing to the front like a glory hound.

Kaioshin Sama

2008-10-22, 01:36

Well I wrote up my little take of this episode that can be viewed at the usual place (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/tytania-episode-2-the-tytania-family-values/). I have to say that I'm not liking Fan Hulic's character much at all. It's not that I think he's a Yang clone like so many others though. No, Yang was noble, just and self-sacrificing. It's because Fan Hulic seems to have no reason for doing anything he does other then to fulfill some hero fantasy he has and get in bed with the ladies. That sort of thing might fly in a super robot show, but it seems so completely out of place in Tytania, as do even the directoral style and content of his scenes. Don't like him at all.

It's not quite Sunohara Youhei everytime he shows up I feel the bile rising in my throat level of dislike, but he's got to prove he has a reason to even be in this show among the titanic Tytania's and their powerful presence and that he really has what it takes to be a good commander besides being lucky otherwise he's going to bring my opinion of the show down a little. That is unless they manage to portray him as a fool's hero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fool_(Tarot_card)) rather then a true hero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero), which I think would be more appropriate.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-22, 02:33

I find this unlikely for a few reasons. If Jouslain had really acted out of a sense of mercy, he would have reflected on it after the meeting. If Jouslain had thought of a better plan, he would have known that Ariabart would have done so as well. Holding it back in that circumstance is thus not an act of mercy; rather it'd be an act of condescension.

After all, a better tactic is as simple as holding back a decent-sized reserve and not personally rushing to the front like a glory hound.

I'm not saying it wasn't calculated rather than an actual act of compassion. But I think it was a white lie. They both knew the fiasco could have been avoided. But Jouslain chose to comfort Ariabart rather than kick him while he was down. Sure, you could say he was looking down on him. But, as things stood, was there any other way to look?

stormy001_M1A2

2008-10-22, 02:55

herbert

2008-10-22, 03:16

Relax, it is only 2 episodes so far. This anime character development takes time, judging from LOGH experience.Relax, it is only one person expressing his/her preference on a character. People don't need feel embrassed if changing opinions on characters.

Kirarakim

2008-10-22, 06:51

It's because Fan Hulic seems to have no reason for doing anything he does other then to fulfill some hero fantasy he has and get in bed with the ladies. That sort of thing might fly in a super robot show, but it seems so completely out of place in Tytania, as do even the directoral style and content of his scenes. Don't like him at all.

Wanting to win a battle is not a good enough reason for you? Why would anyone go into a battle wanting to lose? Why was he out there well it was his job and he was getting paid. Quite honestly I don't really see any deep motivations for any of the other characters either on an individual level yet but I am sure that will come with time.

but he's got to prove he has a reason to even be in this show among the titanic Tytania's and their powerful presence and that he really has what it takes to be a good commander besides being lucky otherwise he's going to bring my opinion of the show down a little. .

He didn't win by luck he won by skill. He wasn't even meant to win in the first place. His talent was even recognized by Tytania.

Anh_Minh

2008-10-22, 06:58

I don't think his reasons are bad either. Or rather, I don't think they're bad compared to Tytania's dukes'.

Van is in it for the money and ladies - mostly the latter. To get them, he does his job of protecting his planet against the violent invader.

Three of the dukes, OTOH, are self-agrandizing fools. Also in it for the glory, but unlike Van, they hope to achieve it by trampling everyone who isn't them.

Jouslain's more of an unknown. And the Lord... Well, I'd say he cares about the power of his House more than his own personal glory, but it doesn't exactly count as altruistic, does it?

Shiroth

2008-10-22, 07:28

I'm really not surprised that someone is going on about Fan not fitting into the story, though like i said the other day --- he's like a nice piece of fresh air. I'd be enjoying this show as much as i am if he wasn't apart of it, though i'm glad he is.

yang_wen_lee

2008-10-22, 09:59

Well I wrote up my little take of this episode that can be viewed at the usual place (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/tytania-episode-2-the-tytania-family-values/). I have to say that I'm not liking Fan Hulic's character much at all. It's not that I think he's a Yang clone like so many others though. No, Yang was noble, just and self-sacrificing. It's because Fan Hulic seems to have no reason for doing anything he does other then to fulfill some hero fantasy he has and get in bed with the ladies. That sort of thing might fly in a super robot show, but it seems so completely out of place in Tytania, as do even the directoral style and content of his scenes. Don't like him at all.

Hi

I like what you write about Yang Wen-Li:)

Maybe Fan doesn't look like Yang very much cos Fan doesn't have any Goals or reasons in his life , but as I figure you can feel Yang's shadow on many character in Tytania ...Sepcially with Joslan & Fan ...

I don't like 2nd Epi so I hope the 3rd Epi have more action

See Yaa