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This thread is to discuss your expectations of Mahou Shojo Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE 1st (due for release in the Winter of 2009) and to speculate as to what story elements will be used. Edit: The movie release date may in fact be early 2009 (as in Winter 2009 to mean around Jan, Feb, Mar of 2009).
Source: MoonPhase (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20080728#p4)
A discussion thread (with poll) will be created when the movie is actually released (AnimeSuki would consider it currently as unlicensed) so please use this thread to discuss your expectations of the announced movie.
First thing first, The movie is retelling of 1st season (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1762092&postcount=1742), and Tsuduki even said in Megami magazine that it's "Parallel" from anime 1st season.
Now...
Just look at how both RH and Bal were changed, their new appearances are really badass :D
A friend of mine is telling me Moonphase says it's this winter, not winter 2009. Can someone double check?
We really need cleaner scans.
Well... I certainly have mixed feelings about this. I always prefer whole seasons over (even multiple) films. However, it is good to know MGLN is still going somewhere... somewhere where Nanoha and Fate are still the main characters.
I'll post something more in-depth later when I have the time, including lots of conjecture! :p
Allquall
2008-07-28, 07:34
A friend of mine is telling me Moonphase says it's this winter, not winter 2009. Can someone double check?
We really need cleaner scans.
I'm hoping they mean Jan, Feb, March 2009 as "Winter".
Edit: Preston, given the "Moe" flood going on, they had to go back to 1st season. What scares me is that the next season may only have the Ace trio as a cameo a la Mai in Mai-Otome. That would be just wrong.
Raging Heart
2008-07-28, 07:37
First thing first, The movie is retelling of 1st season (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1762092&postcount=1742), and Tsuduki even said in Megami magazine that it's "Parallel" from anime 1st season.
Now...
Just look at how both RH and Bal were changed, their new appearances are really badass :D
that the most beautiful new i heard, Nanoha movie, cool.
you are right RH and Bal looks wesome, there changes on both of them.
This is the best news i have heard all year. I would have liked better if it was a movie of the events in between A's and StrikerS, but i won't complain at this either.
Their new devices and clothes also look awsome. Gogo Nanoha!
Nina.Wolken
2008-07-28, 07:43
*can't believe her wish has been granted*
That's absolutely crazy! In a good way... Finally more MSLN announced.
First a movie about the first season and maybe more later... Anyway, those few pic' are just great, I think the time to wait before the release of the movie will kill me >_>"...
First thing first, The movie is retelling of 1st season (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1762092&postcount=1742), and Tsuduki even said in Megami magazine that it's "Parallel" from anime 1st season.
Now...
Just look at how both RH and Bal were changed, their new appearances are really badass :D
I agree with RH but Bardiche's new rounder form looks somewhat strange to me.
And whats with the StrikerS? Teana, Subaru, Erio and Caro are slightly redesignd too? :twitch:
But yay for Vivio! xD
Bloodseeker
2008-07-28, 08:04
No, damn you Seven Arcs.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9430/1217249358862zi2.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1217249358862zi2.jpg)
That. Give us that. In anime form.
No, damn you Seven Arcs.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9430/1217249358862zi2.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1217249358862zi2.jpg)
That. Give us that. In anime form.
Seconded. I pray that this is only a teaser for a fourth season.
Bloodseeker
2008-07-28, 08:07
Seconded. I pray that this is only a teaser for a fourth season.
Too bad that we're going to have to wait until they decide to stop making these movies to find out.
And whats with the StrikerS? Teana, Subaru, Erio and Caro are slightly redesignd too? :twitch:
They are older. I think that is some kind of "how they look in the sound stage" that takes place a few(3?) years after StrikerS.
Who cares, any kind of sequel or prequel or Alt-retelling; fully approved!
...And ...
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1217249358862zi2.jpg
Uh, NanoFate are still in this sound stage, aren't they? Sure doesn't look like it... If not, DO NOT WANT. :uhoh:
Too bad that we're going to have to wait until they decide to stop making these movies to find out.Nope, my bad, that certain scan does not relates to Movie 1st; that's announcement for "StrikerS Sound Stage X" that's going to be released at next Comiket.
As you may notice, it doesn't have "Magic Girl Lyrical Nanoha" on it's title, and scan says that only StS characters (= No Nanoha Fate Hayate etc) are going to appear in SSX.
Bloodseeker
2008-07-28, 08:18
Nope, my bad, that certain scan does not relates to Movie 1st; that's announcement for "StrikerS Sound Stage X" that's going to be released at next Comiket.
As you may notice, it doesn't have "Magic Girl Lyrical Nanoha" as a title, and scan says that only StS characters are going to appear in SSX.
I know that. That's what I'm complaining about.
I'd MUCH rather see a 4th season with more Teana and Ginga's combat cyborg special forces squad than an alternate retelling of the first two seasons.
Its rage inducing to see that pic dangled in front of my face while this news is breaking, knowing that these movies are going to be their focus for the next two years and that we probably won't be seeing a 4th season until late 2010.
Fuck this. Give us a 4th season. Or at least make the movies post-StrikerS.
They are older. I think that is some kind of "how they look in the sound stage" that takes place a few(3?) years after StrikerS.
Ah didn't saw the word 'CD' on the right side.
Makes complete sense now. Thanks. :)
Fuck this. Give us a 4th season. Or at least make the movies post-StrikerS.
Agreed. New cast ftw!
I know that. That's what I'm complaining about.Aha, gotcha.
Well... waiting a bit is still better than "it's done, it's no more" slapped on our face, ne?
(Admitted, we can't be sure if we get what we want after the waiting... but anyway)
Holy shit this IS hot! :twitch:
And you can count me in on those images being a 4th season teaser; I've decided that even with a touch of ErioCaro, without the Aces it still would be somewhat close to the Greater Good. :p
May be they use story from novel? That one is kind of pararell world too
That would be bad, in terms of continuity, but its a parallel work so... :shrug:
Master Anime
2008-07-28, 08:35
Wow this is very good news
i can't wait
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 08:38
this will be nice to see (the movie anyway) some redesigning of things. i cant wait either :P
Bloodseeker
2008-07-28, 08:39
Aha, gotcha.
Well... waiting a bit is still better than "it's done, it's no more" slapped on our face, ne?
(Admitted, we can't be sure if we get what we want after the waiting... but anyway)
Seven Arcs wouldn't stop making the Nanoha franchise without giving it an ending that wraps things up in a way that there's nothing to look forward to (i.e. the status quo won't be evolving drastically in the near future; not necessarily anything depressing) unless they went under or split up, and they'd probably want to become a semi-successful studio outside of Nanoha before they did the former, seeing as how Nanoha is their cash cow.
I guess that I could accept this as a holdover while they write the 4th season's scenario (I already like where they're going with it just off of that pic... hopefully they don't just abandon Ginga's squad during the 4th season), but still, that's a long ways off.
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 08:48
hopefully they don't just abandon Ginga's squad during the 4th season)
yeah well we already know how good they are at abandoning characters ~cough Alisa, Suzuka, Nanohas like entire family ~cough
Ultima_Rasengan05
2008-07-28, 08:48
HOLY CRAP!
This sure is hot news!!!
So its a re-telling of the first Nanoha season...seems like they'll do A's as well, seeing that theres the "1st" subtitle in the title. But anyways, I like Nanoha's redesigned outfit and their devices are really detailed and redesigned as well. Damn, never would have thought that they would do a Nanoha movie...maybe this is redemption for StrikerS...since that was an average season.:heh:
As for the new sketches of the Strikers gang, I smell a new season coming up....and judging from those sketches, lets hope it will be heavily based on the Strikers and not much on the aces, even though they are the main characters of the series. They really do look older...maybe 3 years have passed?
But overall, exciting news!!! December '09 huh...still far, but lets hope for a 4th season prior to the movie release!:D
Bloodseeker
2008-07-28, 08:53
yeah well we already know how good they are at abandoning characters ~cough Alisa, Suzuka, Nanohas like entire family ~cough
And more importantly, Arf and Chrono.
Yeah, this is why we have reason to worry.
(I'm sure that the Numbers will at least get cameo roles, but I like the idea of more Wendi, Sein, and Cinque screentime; they seemed cool, and their lack of screentime and development was one of my biggest complaints about StrikerS)
Ultima_Rasengan05
2008-07-28, 08:59
Wait, those sketches are just for another drama CD??!!!:twitch:
......
Theres two new characters though...one is named Lunesa Magnes (the lady with glasses) and Volts Stun (the guy who looks like he could be Erio's dad :heh:)
But not to go off topic, since this is for the movie...its being called "parallel" to the canon storyline...so is it a re-telling of the 1st season with some story elements being changed to fit it all into the appropriate movie length?
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 09:04
And more importantly, Arf and Chrono.
Yeah, this is why we have reason to worry.
Hey at least they were seen at least once during the 3rd season (chrono a bit more then once but yeah..) Nanoha's two best friends and and her whole family, she completely leaves them behind, never visited or anything, for some reason that bugged me and i dont know why D:
Edit: hm i guess i can understand she might have been busy with training the rookies and what not but still >.>
Bloodseeker
2008-07-28, 09:10
Hey at least they were seen at least once during the 3rd season (chrono a bit more then once but yeah..) Nanoha's two best friends and and her whole family, she completely leaves them behind, never visited or anything, for some reason that bugged me and i dont know why D:
Edit: hm i guess i can understand she might have been busy with training the rookies and what not but still >.>
They were off on a completely different world and didn't have anything to do with the TSAB, so as awesome as the idea of Burning Arisa is, I didn't mind them being left out as much.
Arf getting like 45 seconds of screentime throughout the whole show and Chrono only getting a couple of minutes was shit, though.
Demon Eyes
2008-07-28, 09:10
I know that. That's what I'm complaining about.
I'd MUCH rather see a 4th season with more Teana and Ginga's combat cyborg special forces squad than an alternate retelling of the first two seasons.
Its rage inducing to see that pic dangled in front of my face while this news is breaking, knowing that these movies are going to be their focus for the next two years and that we probably won't be seeing a 4th season until late 2010.
Fuck this. Give us a 4th season. Or at least make the movies post-StrikerS.
LIES!
First things first then the rest later!
There is nothing better than the all the things that started everything off!
I am so much happy about this than a fourth season!
Though, what would've been better is the coverage of the High School years (Post A's)
The re-make of season one is very much appreciated (makes me think of a certain big green monster).
I don't know what they are going to change since the season was great by its self but really, another Fate/Nanoha first meeting, again, now that is jack pot!
I think this is the only series ever to have granted all my wishes!
I love you Seven Arcs!
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 09:14
i still want something that shows what happened between A's and StrikerS, mabye not EVERYTHING but i want more animated elaborations on what happened to Nanoha and how she recovered and ect
10 years is a big gap, they could put something in there, but this movie is a start
LIES!
First things first then the rest later!
There is nothing better than the all the things that started everything off!
I am so much happy about this than a fourth season!
Though, what would've been better is the coverage of the High School years (Post A's)
The re-make of season one is very much appreciated (makes me think of a certain big green monster).
I don't know what they are going to change since the season was great by its self but really, another Fate/Nanoha first meeting, again, now that is jack pot!
I think this is the only series ever to have granted all my wishes!
I love you Seven Arcs!
Amen to that~ The only thing greater than this news would be news of a post-A's prequel explaining what happened between A's and StrikerS. Or a spin-off where NanoFate enjoy their teenage years at school. :3
And to wrap it up, a Beach Ova~ Followed by a 4th season. Ah, bliss.
Bloodseeker
2008-07-28, 09:25
i still want something that shows what happened between A's and StrikerS, mabye not EVERYTHING but i want more animated elaborations on what happened to Nanoha and how she recovered and ect
10 years is a big gap, they could put something in there, but this movie is a start
From what we've heard of it, it sounds more like supplemental manga material than movie/OVA material to me.
They were rarely working together (and Nanoha and Fate never worked together between As and the As to StrikerS manga, IIRC), so a movie or OVA would either have a weird flow or would be sorely lacking in certain members, and a set with each movie/ova telling a story for a different member sounds like kind kind of a weird flow too.
LIES!
First things first then the rest later!
There is nothing better than the all the things that started everything off!
I am so much happy about this than a fourth season!
So Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama is worthless? ;)
Don't write off StrikerS because the cast is no longer loli, I rather like them mature. :)
Actually... I discovered another thing I don't really like about the movie: More shafting of Hayate. -_- Even now people talk about 'NanoFate's years at school' what happened to Hayate?
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 09:30
Actually... I discovered another thing I don't really like about the movie: More shafting of Hayate. -_- Even now people talk about 'NanoFate's years at school' what happened to Hayate?
I never really liked Hayate that much to be honest, to me she jsut seemed like the 3rd wheel thrown into the NanoFate pair,i dont mean this as a Yuri thing either, i donno she just kinda appears at the end as some super powerful mage out of no where with Rein II, and somehow gets a higher ranking then both Nanoha and Fate in strikers, bleh
I'm probably looking forward to the 1st for the redesigned devices and maybe better storyboarding... But I wonder how would they do it without making it too truncated. Granted they'll have an easier time than a Zeta remake, but... After the disaster in StrikerS? :p
And yeah, no Hayate. Again. :uhoh:
Where is Aaron? <.<
EDIT: Got ninja'd. :uhoh:
Daisuke CP9
2008-07-28, 09:33
A correction has been made, the movie is THIS winter. But either way, awesome news and that StrikerS scan, who knows...maybe a new season in the works.
*sigh* well, I guess that explains Hayate's shafting partially. People just see her as interference with NanoFate, and anything that interferes with NanoFate is evil and destined to be shafted.
I mean, the whole of A's revolved around Hayate, and people praise A's to no end! It wasn't until she became a member of the group that she was shafted.
Not like we have much power over 4chan or 2chan; We're all she's got it seems sometimes. :p
krisslanza
2008-07-28, 09:38
THIS winter?! :eyespin:
I'm totally fangirlgasam'ing over here and raving all about this over the interwebz... D:
Aaron008R
2008-07-28, 09:39
@Kha: I'm here. =/
I'm much more happy about Sound Stage X since I'm VERY eager to learn about what happened to the StrikerS characters. Specially Teana, Vivio and the rehabilitated Numbers.:)
The Movie is more or less a relatively good news for me.
I like the newer designs. Especially Nanoha's new look and RH's MUCH more cooler design.:D I'm not too sure about Fate's rather unchanged outfit nor the rumored plans of Genderbending Bardiche (http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/07/28/nanoha-the-movie-1st-announced/#more-1331) (aka Female AI now) for the movie...>.>
But ultimately, right now, I'm not feeling very forgiving...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Until they announce something related A's characters (Hayate and the Wolkies), AND make an obvious effort to fix at least some of the damage of the incessant shafting, character assassination and obvious ridicule/mockery of almost the entirety of Hayate's character that they did in StrikerS, I'm not going to be entirely happy about these types of announcements.
Here's to hoping they make another movie to retell A's or maybe make that Hayate OVA rumored long ago. Preferably AFTER StrikerS for the OVA to show how Hayate can rebuild her self confidence and for the producers to give her some value as another main character and one of the three Aces.
If they can't find the guts to at least make her closer to Nanoha and Fate in fear of 'interfering' with the NanohaXFate Ship-teasing, then at least give her some proper care as an important character and not literally trash everything about her progressively as if they regretted creating her!!!:rolleyes:
Aside from that, this is good news indeed.:) This will also spark the interest for Nanoha back to blazing again; which is good for business. *nudges Kha and Keroko* ;)
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 09:39
*sigh* well, I guess that explains Hayate's shafting partially. People just see her as interference with NanoFate, and anything that interferes with NanoFate is evil and destined to be shafted.
I mean, the whole of A's revolved around Hayate, and people praise A's to no end! It wasn't until she became a member of the group that she was shafted.
she may have been the center (sorta) of A's but she didn't do anything until the last episode, and then out of no where she has like a freakishly large amount of power. Ok sure Nanoha did the same thing in season 1 when she got her power pretty much but something about the way Hayate came into the thing just irked me a bit, i still like her character and all that but no where near as much as some others
I'de much rather have Hayate as the dominant character in season four than the StrikerS. They bored me to death tbh. Especially Teana and her constant whining. :(
Hoping those sound stages stay sound stages, and they continue the series with the aces. They're by far the most popular characters(shafting them would be a major blow to the Nanoha franchise...) and the StrikerS had their shot at being noticed, yet failed for the most part. Also, another time skip ftl~ They're aging faster than I am and I do not approve!
Yeah, this thread's blazing with life all of a sudden. :p
But... they are doing WHAT to Bardiche?! :twitch: This does not bode well for a 2nd movie, where we have a flood of male VA devices from the Wolkies. :uhoh:
Estavali
2008-07-28, 09:44
I agree with RH but Bardiche's new rounder form looks somewhat strange to me.
And whats with the StrikerS? Teana, Subaru, Erio and Caro are slightly redesignd too? :twitch:
But yay for Vivio! xD
I think they might be trying to make Bardiche look more like a real bardiche, but if that's the case, it honestly looks more like a poleaxe to me :heh:.
And may Vivio be more than just a fluff-bunny in the upcoming drama CD. Make her be like what we have envisioned her to be!
Add-on: Ack, a female VA for Bardiche? Not to offend the ladies, but Kevin J. England was awesome as Bardiche! Please, may this gender-bending new be a rumor and nothing else ><
*sigh* well, I guess that explains Hayate's shafting partially. People just see her as interference with NanoFate, and anything that interferes with NanoFate is evil and destined to be shafted.
I mean, the whole of A's revolved around Hayate, and people praise A's to no end! It wasn't until she became a member of the group that she was shafted.
Well, to all good fans, the only solution is so very simple and clear.....
GIVE US THAT PROMISED HAYATE OVA, DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the feminizing was more refering to the appearance then the VA, though.
labpartner
2008-07-28, 09:45
Greatest news for the week! Can't wait for this!
Female Graf Eisen and Levantine voices DO NOT WANT. D:
Takes away all the GAR they managed to put in one EXPROZION.
krisslanza
2008-07-28, 09:46
I think the feminizing was more refering to the appearance then the VA, though.
Because it's curved now? Or...? :confused:
Ah damn that's right... poor Hayate deserves more love!
She was like my most favourite character in A's. Starting out as 'Poor girl in wheelchair' to 'Awsome crap! She's a cool über mage!'. I really liked her for getting my respect in only two episodes... starting with "Don't worry... I'm your adminitrator!"
Aaron mentioned specifically a female AI. Yeah its rumor, and one that deserves to be righteously purged! http://forums.tauonline.org/Smileys/classic/evil.gif
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 09:52
A female sounding Bardiche..hmm i guess that would sound rather interesting, donno lol :S
Allquall
2008-07-28, 09:52
My overall reaction to the news...
0Kib_RpsOZE
Ottocycle
2008-07-28, 09:53
We saw what a motivated 7arcs could do without budget. And no I don't mean StS. I really anticipate what they can do this time with some money on their hands for once.
No more fixing in the DVDs people :3
I'm so gonna die trying to listen to that 2 hour CD.
Female Bardiche...
"Sir, there are noncombatants on the left at three hundred yards"
No! They can't just shaft Kevin J. England! Oo
AtomicoX
2008-07-28, 09:55
I'm reading rumors about a female VA for Bardiche? If they change the voice and the personality of my favorite device...let Viking rage fall upon them!
EternalNite
2008-07-28, 09:56
I demand a Hayate OVA. More love for Hayate plz.
We saw what a motivated 7arcs could do without budget. And no I don't mean StS. I really anticipate what they can do this time with some money on their hands for once.
No more fixing in the DVDs people :3LOL This just reminds me of the threads for 40K 5th Ed prerelease; doom and gloom was everywhere, then somebody'd throw a winner like this. :D
Let's money buys them more time to think some more things through. :D
krisslanza
2008-07-28, 09:58
I have no issues with female Bardiche... :uhoh:
Wouldn't you rather wait for more info on it before thinking it's an idea that must be purged in holy fire? :heh:
What if it... Turns out... BETTER!? :eyespin:
AtomicoX
2008-07-28, 10:01
I have no issues with female Bardiche... :uhoh:
Wouldn't you rather wait for more info on it before thinking it's an idea that must be purged in holy fire? :heh:
What if it... Turns out... BETTER!? :eyespin:
I have a mental of Bardiche, being a man in a black suit looking incredibly cool...if given a female VA that changes...I don't want that to change :frustrated:!
Ottocycle
2008-07-28, 10:01
LOL This just reminds me of the threads for 40K 5th Ed prerelease; doom and gloom was everywhere, then somebody'd throw a winner like this. :D
Let's money buys them more time to think some more things through. :D
I hope they get enough money to Zeta A's, if you get what I mean.
Hint: Remember the effect on ZZ thanks to that?
Been a while since we've seen this much activity :p
I'm so gonna die trying to listen to that 2 hour CD.Music thread will be waiting for your translation effort, tee-hee-... :D
Raging Heart
2008-07-28, 10:03
*fall off.*
female Bardiche?
ok ok, looks like i still suffer from the hit on the head i took from one of my twin brother, now let me guess this right.
there two Bardiche?
the one of the Nanoha seasons is male Bardiche.
the one on the movie is female Bardiche with design changes.
well we all have to wait till the movie is out.
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 10:06
hm now that i think about it i dont have a clue what a "sound stage" is, can i get a quick runby as to what they are?
Ottocycle
2008-07-28, 10:06
Music thread will be waiting for your translation effort, tee-hee-... :D
Oi oi...misutenaide kudasaiyo... T_T
Estavali
2008-07-28, 10:15
Hmm, is it just me, or does Cross Mirage have a slightly altered design as well?
And I have this gut feeling Tiana is going to feature greatly in this SS :).
Demon Eyes
2008-07-28, 10:17
I never really liked Hayate that much to be honest, to me she jsut seemed like the 3rd wheel thrown into the NanoFate pair,i dont mean this as a Yuri thing either, i donno she just kinda appears at the end as some super powerful mage out of no where with Rein II, and somehow gets a higher ranking then both Nanoha and Fate in strikers, bleh
Yeah~
I felt like she just...dropped in.
you know, like a friend walking in on you making out or something.
I never got warmed up to her at all. I really tried but I failed!
Not to say that I wish the others not to be in it but really, the first season was the real thing. Hayate and the rest came in only to strengthen things up and give us more White Devil appearance. And more befriending to be made but that is like it.
Well, the naming of the first movie suggests that more are to come to everyone will get to be in them. Win/Win situation all over again I say!
But I vote for more screen time of Arisa and Shizuka!
As for female Bardiche, what? now we are getting rid of all the males in all forms? Even voices?
Are the devices getting forms and gonna make out? Did RH decide that she won't date B unless he is female?!O_o?!
Oh! god! LOL!
I love this.
krisslanza
2008-07-28, 10:17
I have a mental of Bardiche, being a man in a black suit looking incredibly cool...if given a female VA that changes...I don't want that to change :frustrated:!
But couldn't a girl in a black suit look cooler? :p
theused69
2008-07-28, 10:22
I don't care about the story, as long as I get my loli Fate and Nanoha :frustrated:
Assuming the movie is a retell of the 1st season
I have a mental of Bardiche, being a man in a black suit looking incredibly cool...if given a female VA that changes...
Mr Bardiche: "Miss Takamachi!"
Hmm, is it just me, or does Cross Mirage have a slightly altered design as well?
And I have this gut feeling Tiana is going to feature greatly in this SS :).
It's small but distinct. The device is more-streamlined now.
As for sharing the cake, I wonder how the two new chars fit into all of this?
LazyCanuck
2008-07-28, 10:29
Are the devices getting forms and gonna make out? Did RH decide that she won't date B unless he is female?!O_o?!
Oh! god! LOL!
Heh well
Nanoxfate
RHxB
..hmm why not D: yuri Intelligent devices ftw xD
Estavali
2008-07-28, 10:31
I have a mental of Bardiche, being a man in a black suit looking incredibly cool...if given a female VA that changes...I don't want that to change :frustrated:!
Mr Bardiche: "Miss Takamachi!"
Bardiche is... Agent Smith? :heh:
hm now that i think about it i dont have a clue what a "sound stage" is, can i get a quick runby as to what they are?
A Sound Stage is like an anime, only in sound form. There is no video, just a CD you pop into your CD player and listen to the voices. The image you have to form with your imagination. ;)
Mr Bardiche: "...we've missed you." :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Though I think the idea is that of a butler you see in Hayate no Gotoku... For I got an image of Klaus. :heh:
Nina.Wolken
2008-07-28, 10:38
So it appears that this movie will be more like an alternate universe rather than a retelling of the first season? But I wonder to which extend they will change the stoty-line.
We can already see that they made some changement in the chara-design, some VA (I really liked Bardiche voice, it really matched Fate personnality and enhenced her "dark side" IMO :() but some other modifications bother me more than that : seems like both Fate and Nanoha already have upgraded devices (cartridge system). Did the producers of the movie made that just to provide more spectacular fights or does it imply that the movie takes place a in a universe where Nanoha would already be part of the TSAB? :eyebrow:
An alternate universe opens so many possibilities that I feel dizzy just by thinking about it.
*try to drive away mental images of Alicia and Fate fighting alonside againt Nanoha*:eyespin:
AtomicoX
2008-07-28, 10:38
But couldn't a girl in a black suit look cooler? :p
...You got a point. God damn you!
Bardiche is... Agent Smith? :heh:
XD. Show us ya matrix moves, Bardiche.
Girl in Tux make me think of King from KoF... :p
Bardiche is... Agent Smith? :heh:
Yes.
But couldn't a girl in a black suit look cooler? :p
There are already one. Her name is Fate Testarossa.
Do we even have any confirmation on the female Bardiche at all?
An alternate universe opens so many possibilities that I feel dizzy just by thinking about it.
*try to drive away mental images of Alicia and Fate fighting alonside againt Nanoha*:eyespin:
That would certainly make this movie instant WIN!
Ottocycle
2008-07-28, 10:43
seems like both Fate and Nanoha already have upgraded devices (cartridge system). Did the producers of the movie made that just to provide more spectacular fights or does it imply that the movie takes place a in a universe where Nanoha would already be part of the TSAB? :eyebrow:
Sounds like an impossibility to me. I'll bet they want to keep the option of movie-fying A's open. And by equipping N+F with the cartridge system, they definitely axe out A's eps 1 and 2 in that process. And I doubt that they want to, since that was all kinds of awesome.
Unless they splurge to replace it with something more awesome...unlikely though IMO.
AtomicoX
2008-07-28, 10:45
Do we even have any confirmation on the female Bardiche at all?
No 100% confirmation yet. Just a rumor being blown up :eyespin:
We can already see that they made some changement in the chara-design, some VA (I really liked Bardiche voice, it really matched Fate personnality and enhenced her "dark side" IMO :() but some other modifications bother me more than that : seems like both Fate and Nanoha already have upgraded devices (cartridge system). Did the producers of the movie made that just to provide more spectacular fights or does it imply that the movie takes place a in a universe where Nanoha would already be part of the TSAB? :eyebrow:Er... obviously RH doesn't have magazine, as well as Bar... well, it's difficult to tell since six-slot revolver would be in shaft, so at least RH doesn't have cartridge system, yet.
Change of devices are nothing more than aesthetical imo, just like how it was between Gundam Wing and EW.
And oi oi... Bar's VA thing is just a... well, you know, some people are starting thing yet again :heh:
Tanoshi-desu. ;)
I'd add Suzuka in on Nanoha's side for countering the Arisa Fate tag team. Or even better: GIVE YUUNO HIS SPOTLIGHT. :D
I have always thought of Bardiche as a female, despite her having a male voice.
Because, if I remember correctly, the device was made using Precia's familiar soul or something like that.
I forgot the name, but her familiar was a female.
About Nanofate -The movie-: It's going to be epic :D
Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)
Allquall
2008-07-28, 10:53
Tanoshi-desu. ;)
I'd add Suzuka in on Nanoha's side for countering the Arisa Fate tag team. Or even better: GIVE YUUNO HIS SPOTLIGHT. :D
Less weenie ferret=better movie. NEEDS MORE BADASS CHRONO.
Linith helped Fate construct her device and guided her in training before choosing to end her contract with Precia. So no soul in device crack anywhere.
Linith helped Fate construct her device and guided her in training before choosing to end her contract with Precia. So no soul in device crack anywhere.So a Machine Spirit? :p:p:p
Dummy plug.
RAWR KILL ALL.
krisslanza
2008-07-28, 10:58
Less weenie ferret=better movie. NEEDS MORE BADASS CHRONO.
Yes. More Chrono is good :p
Nina.Wolken
2008-07-28, 11:00
Er... obviously RH doesn't have magazine, as well as Bar... well, it's difficult to tell since six-slot revolver would be in shaft, so at least RH doesn't have cartridge system, yet.
Isn't that the cartridge system sketchs? http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4210/newdevicesgb0.th.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newdevicesgb0.jpg)
I was just assuming, actually I seriously need to re-watch the first season, I forgot what both devices initially looked like :heh:.
Ottocycle
2008-07-28, 11:01
Isn't that the cartridge system sketchs? http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4210/newdevicesgb0.th.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newdevicesgb0.jpg)
I was just assuming, actually I seriously need to re-watch the first season, I forgot what both devices initially looked like :heh:.
Those are without question, the gas vents. That is if you mean those cylindrical thingies.
Isn't that the cartridge system sketchs? http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4210/newdevicesgb0.th.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newdevicesgb0.jpg)
I was just assuming, actually I seriously need to re-watch the first season, I forgot what both devices initially looked like :heh:.
Nah, those are just the coolers. Both Bardiche and Raising Heart had them in the first season.
Linith helped Fate construct her device and guided her in training before choosing to end her contract with Precia. So no soul in device crack anywhere.
Are you sure? I remember someone mentioning what I said a long while ago in this forum. The source was the novels I think, I even recall Bardiche taking Linith's form in a doujinshi, but maybe this is only a coincidence.
Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)
krisslanza
2008-07-28, 11:04
Nah, those are just the coolers. Both Bardiche and Raising Heart had them in the first season.
I thought they were more of vents then coolers since steam gushed out of them after a particularly heavy spell.
...
Or is coolers the right term? :uhoh:
Are you sure? I remember someone mentioning what I said a long while ago in this forum. The source was the novels I think, I even recall Bardiche taking Linith's form in a doujinshi, but maybe this is only a coincidence.
Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)
Alot of things in the novel was contradicted by later-released material, not least of S1 Sound Stages which provided the unknown Linith with a voice for her role.
Yuuno should have changed into a cat, now the image of wussy ferret follows him for the rest of his life.
Ottocycle
2008-07-28, 11:09
Yuuno should have changed into a cat, now the image of wussy ferret follows him for the rest of his life.
Sailor Moon aside...
Mao from DtB? Wow...the crack.
Good job.
Alot of things in the novel was contradicted by later-released material, not least of S1 Sound Stages which provided the unknown Linith with a voice for her role.
Oh, I didn't know that, I thought that it was the same thing retold using another format.
Thanks for the information ^^
Cuídate y sigue sonriendo :)
I thought they were more of vents then coolers since steam gushed out of them after a particularly heavy spell.
...
Or is coolers the right term? :uhoh:
Dunno if its the right term, but coolers definetely sounds more cool.
Sailor Moon aside...
Mao from DtB? Wow...the crack.
Good job.
Cats were the first familiar species to come in mind when I think about animals that would not get laughed at, later on. Yuuno as a cat may compute, Yuuno as a crow does not (unless we start crack Air with Yuukito Scrya).
My god, Mao. He was one of my favorites in DtB.
Estavali
2008-07-28, 11:15
The novel didn't even mentioned anything about a soul possession. Linith made Bardiche for Fate's use, that's all. End of story (especially for her in fact, her contract was nulled after Precia felt that Fate was ready for business, and that Linith was of no use to her any more).
FlameSparkZ
2008-07-28, 11:31
Oh my goodness! A MOVIE?! :twitch:
Not to mention the possible S4 :twitch::eyespin:
I'm so looking forward to it!!! :D:D:D
*faints*
nicky_008
2008-07-28, 11:49
God, just as I pray for it everyday. Waiting for the movie and (maybe) 4th season.
PS. In parallel story, I love it too.
Demon Eyes
2008-07-28, 11:51
Bardiche is... Agent Smith? :heh:
Not for long. He is turning into Agent Smith-ko.
:heh:
Need to wait now for the Movie and the next soundstage
AuditionEX
2008-07-28, 11:57
Thank you 7 ARCS. Thank you!
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 12:01
:twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch:
Do you know how hard it was to keep myself from cheering out loud when I saw this thread?! And I'm at work :uhoh:
This is definitely going to be interesting to see how the movie will be different than the TV series. The new designs for RH and Brdiche are just :love: :love:. It's just too bad we won't be able to see Zamber Form in its movie awesomeness. Hopefully in the sequel though :naughty:.
Though I noticed that they seem to be using Nanoha's Sacred Mode BJ from A's after the cartridge upgrade and Fate's pre-cartridge BJ. Kinda weird to me since she Nanoha's first BJ was basically her school uniform she thought of on the whim :p. Makes me wonder what Nanoha's BJ would be like should they make a second movie :eyebrow:.
Estavali
2008-07-28, 12:14
Nanoha's redesigned BJ seems somewhat reminiscent of a certain Gundam.... :p
I wonder if they will explore more about Fate's past in this movie... sure, we've heard a share of things in the sound stages (well, some people did) but animewise, there is still a lot to explore.
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 12:33
Nanoha's redesigned BJ seems somewhat reminiscent of a certain Gundam.... :p
The cuffs on her sleeves are deinitely a lot stiffer and curved. Looks very similar to Wing Zero Custom's, imo :p
Kai the Reaper
2008-07-28, 12:36
This topic moves quickly . I'm still having a hard time believing it's here and the news is real. :heh: Well, I'm not quite as excited as I though I would be about the movie thing. I'd rather wait and see or hear more about it before getting all excited.
I'm not too happy with the new designs. :uhoh: Blue additions to RH look a little out of place and Nanoha's hands look a little too armoured. But maybe it's too early to judge.
And wait, Bardiche x RH is going to become yuri??? Blasphemy!!! :frustrated:
At least it's good to know that seven arcs still thinks it can get money out of Nanoha.
Comartemis
2008-07-28, 12:42
*Without warning, a maniacal Heath-Ledger-as-the-Joker-style supervillain laugh echoes through the thread. Apparently Comartemis is very very pleased at this announcement*
WOW.
HOW EPIC IS THIS GOING TO BE. I screamed when I saw this thread, I really did. Those redesigns look AWESOME. And older-loli Vivio is also going to be win. Although...female VA for Bardiche? XD;
I just can't express in words how excited I am!
*fangirl squee*
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 12:45
I'm not too happy with the new designs. :uhoh: Blue additions to RH look a little out of place and Nanoha's hands look a little too armoured. But maybe it's too early to judge.
The design is very similar to her Sacred Mode, just with a few color and style tweaks I think. Though looking at it again it makes her look...older I guess. A more 'adult' feel to it compared to her first BJ.
And wait, Bardiche x RH is going to become yuri??? Blasphemy!!! :frustrated:
Female Bardiche DOES NOT COMPUTE. The only thing they should change in the voices is to fix the engrish :heh:
Nightengale
2008-07-28, 12:54
The animated movie should've been SSX instead (( I mean, it's 2 hours of a Sound Stage )), but beggars can't be choosers.
The movie revelation is good news, but I'm personally more interested in the backgrounds ramification following the events of StrikerS especially with fallout of the events leading to the Numbers's society life and well, how the cast are doing. I find it a little dissapointing though that Sein, Nove and Wendi aren't seemingly together with Subaru in Rescue, considering how effective their ISes are with rescue work. Not so much Nove, but the interaction would be fun and hilarious.
Vivio looks great, pulling Yuuno's floating tricks, and not enough Kazuki there, Erio. It looks on the front to be a seemingly decent set-up to a possibly eventual S4 though, what's with the lack of direct involvement with the old cast.
As for the retelling, sounds like it'll be different enough on the forefront to say the least. RH and Nanoha's BJ redesigns are kinda.... eh... to me. Some parts seemed unnecessarily tacked on extra to buff the military look, but it's not too bad. Bardiche's redesign though, is kinda dissapointing. I felt that it's rough, sharp edge look was a great contrast and looks better than the stream-lined scythe look.
And if Bardiche is getting a female VA.... -_________-
Estavali
2008-07-28, 12:55
The design is very similar to her Sacred Mode, just with a few color and style tweaks I think. Though looking at it again it makes her look...older I guess. A more 'adult' feel to it compared to her first BJ.
Hmm, imho, compare to her "old" BJ in the first season, this one seems slightly more streamlined. For one the cuffs on her sleeves doesn't look that... bulky any more (my major and only picks on Nanoha's BJ), and the color scheme helps in the streamlined effect.
Female Bardiche DOES NOT COMPUTE. The only thing they should change in the voices is to fix the engrish :heh:
Agreed :D.
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 13:02
Hmm, imho, compare to her "old" BJ in the first season, this one seems slightly more streamlined. For one the cuffs on her sleeves doesn't look that... bulky any more (my major and only picks on Nanoha's BJ), and the color scheme helps in the streamlined effect.
It does look more streamlined as I look at it, especially with the blue stripes they added down the side of the sleeve and skirt. I guess they wanted to emphasize her love of flying with the BJ redesign.
Mahou Shojo Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE 1st...is that what the movie is going to be called? does 1st imply there's going to be another one made maybe, or probably just the way they named it.
Either way more Nanoha yay! I prefer the adults to the loli versions but still looking forward to it. Wonder if Nanoha will still have her 'beat to a pulp and make friends!' habit, in the AU :p
Black_Wolf
2008-07-28, 14:48
First things first, more Nanoha, YES! *pumps fist into the air*
ahem
anyway female voice for Bardiche, hell no. Its what gave him character, although if he said more than just "Yes Sir" i would be happy! :D
Re-design, yeah Nanoha's BJ looks more military buff, kinda loses a hint of mahou shoujo into a more fighting style. Couldn't really see the difference to Bardiche and RH designs, but i guess i'm not looking close enough, someone mentioned curves? i prefer the older one if thats the case. As for Fate, shes still got a belt for a skirt, whats the complaining?
As for storyline, Is this going to be an exact re-telling or maybe some slight changes? i imagine there will be some extra things put in.
One thing that's always bothered me but never really understood. Is Precia actually dead??????????
I get the impression from the end of 1st season, granted watched a long time ago, shes just trapped in Al Hazard? and could possibly come back at some point? can anyone clear that up for me?
Be awesome if they did change some stuff but i guess would screw over 1st 2nd 3rd movie etc lol.
Maybe three movies for each Nanoha season plus a fourth to take us into the fourth season? wishful thinking maybe????? ^^
EDIT Page Claim for more Nanoha Goodness!!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
AdmiralTigerclaw
2008-07-28, 14:58
One thing that's always bothered me but never really understood. Is Precia actually dead??????????
I get the impression from the end of 1st season, granted watched a long time ago, shes just trapped in Al Hazard? and could possibly come back at some point? can anyone clear that up for me?
Always looked to me like she was almost ready to drop dead due to physical conditions myself... and then she went and fell into the dimensional sea, never to be seen again. If her condition didn't eventually finish her off, floating through the void and starving to death probably did.
Unless she managed to open the Stasis Tank and crawl into it until someone came across her. Master Chief style.
AuditionEX
2008-07-28, 15:03
I think that Alicia Testarossa will come into play.
Yeah. I'd love that to happen.
gold_orb
2008-07-28, 15:09
i don't know why everyone is so mad about the loli's turning into women. personally, i find it much easyer to connect to a character when you get to see them young and then see what they become when there older. it gives me alot more respect and admireation for the character when you can see them at different points in there life. although i am a little concerned about the changes for the movie. if it is going to be based off the first season they should keep it mostly the same.
also, does anyone know how long the seasons are in nanhoa. becuse it would be hard to make a movie about something that is around 20+ episodes.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2008-07-28, 15:14
heh:heh:, I jumped the gun a little...I thought it was going to premiere winter 2009, which would be next year...but its actually going to premiere this year, so wouldn't that make it winter 2008 instead?
Bardiche's voice changed to female...that would be interesting, since this is a parallel universe to the Nanoha series...I mean how can they fit all 13 episodes into a movie?
As for the Hayate OVA, why don't they do what the first few Pokemon movies did...show a short story of one of the characters from the series before the movie starts.
also, does anyone know how long the seasons are in nanhoa. becuse it would be hard to make a movie about something that is around 20+ episodes.
First season: 13 episodes
Second season: 13 episodes
Third season: 26 episodes
The first season is relatively easy, a lot of things can be cut with only minimal effect, perhaps needing a bit of rewriting here and there, but nothing serious.
A's is somewhat more difficult, as every episode significantly expands the plot in one way or the other.
StrikerS is... surprisingly easy. Cut away the needless training. Cut away the needless NanoFate bait. Cut away the needless excess characters (and by that I mean characters such as Shari, Griffith, Alto and the like) and limit those with no little to no connection to the plot (of the forwards, that would leave only Subaru, which means Teana would tag along) and its very easy to turn StrikerS into a movie.
Re-design, yeah Nanoha's BJ looks more military buff, kinda loses a hint of mahou shoujo into a more fighting style. Couldn't really see the difference to Bardiche and RH designs, but i guess i'm not looking close enough, someone mentioned curves? i prefer the older one if thats the case. As for Fate, shes still got a belt for a skirt, whats the complaining?
RH has blue parts now, probably to match better with Nanoha's BJ. Bardiche's edge looks a lot more like a blade now (AKA, it looks more like a Bardiche).
At the very least this should be interesting, considering it won't be just cutting and pasting old footage. I'm expecting much less emphasis on the Jewel Seeds and much more NanoFate, if they want to fit the story into a couple hours. Not like that's ever a bad thing...
Kai the Reaper
2008-07-28, 15:32
As for the Hayate OVA, why don't they do what the first few Pokemon movies did...show a short story of one of the characters from the series before the movie starts.
I kind of remember the one from the first movie. But wasn't it just a short 15 minutes movie with... well, whatever it was, I don't remember it having much of a good plot and all.
Hayate deserves more.
Bardiche's edge looks a lot more like a blade now (AKA, it looks more like a Bardiche).
The blade is still too small to be a bardiche... and Bardiche is a scythe, so what use turning it into a bardiche?
Besides, if going by names, shouldn't they also try to make Raising Heart look more like a... well, Raising Heart? :heh: (maybe they'll have more luck with a Raging Heart :rolleyes:)
Demon Eyes
2008-07-28, 15:32
So, seeing as ten Directors worked on the first season alone, How many are gonna be in this new project? And if only one, which is most suited do you, to bring out the pure WIN of this movie?
Listen to me, already getting wormy LOL <- Why so serious?!
I haven't been this excited since that episode of TDK.
Bardiche's edge looks a lot more like a blade now (AKA, it looks more like a Bardiche).
A Bardiche doesn't need to have a round blade, while they often do, straight bladed Bardiches (http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/R000318.htm) like Fate's very much did exist.
The blade is still too small to be a bardiche... and Bardiche is a scythe, so what use turning it into a bardiche?
The standard mode of Bardiche is, as its name implies, a Bardiche. It can transform into a scythe, but normally it is a Bardiche.
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 15:45
I kind of remember the one from the first movie. But wasn't it just a short 15 minutes movie with... well, whatever it was, I don't remember it having much of a good plot and all.
And Pocket Monster movies are made with the assumption that the people going to watch them are already familiar with the series. This film, like other re-tellings, are usually designed in a way that they will be enjoyed by current fans as well as those who have never seen the original material. Also means it could help increase the fan-base :3
Hayate deserves more.
Oh yes. A LOT more.
The blade is still too small to be a bardiche... and Bardiche is a scythe, so what use turning it into a bardiche?
I looked up the weapon-type and the new design does match a traditional bardiche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardiche) in overall appearance. It's just that this one is magical and so awesome it also has a scythe form :D
YuriKawa
2008-07-28, 16:29
WOOOOHOOOO Yay for more Nanoha hotness.
However...
I WANT TO SEE NANOHA AND FATE ACTUALLY KISS! That really sweet ending, kiss her dammit!
Nanohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa
Comartemis
2008-07-28, 16:35
Don't hold your breath, Yuri. ;)
Who knows? They pretty much labelled the movie an AU already, so why not?
I am happy to see new Nanoha material, but i dont care that much for a retelling of season one, i would have prefered something after Strikers.
Who knows? They pretty much labelled the movie an AU already, so why not?
I don't believe retelling implies AU. The NGE remakes aren't AU. Besides, why would an AU be necessary?
I don't believe retelling implies AU. The NGE remakes aren't AU. Besides, why would an AU be necessary?
The moment they altered Raising Heart and Bardiche's design, this ceased to be a normal retelling. You're not going to be able to watch the movie first, and then continue with A's, because you'd be wondering what the hell happened to Raising Heart and Bardiche.
Besides, concidering it an AU means that they can change things. It'd be boring to just watch what we've already seen yet another time, its what made the greater part of the Shakugan no Shana movie so boring. It wasn't untill the ending, where they seriously turned things around, that I leaned closer to the tip of my chair. I'd rather they spice things up a bit and twist things around, because it will leave you wondering "What will happen next?"
Shinigami-Momo
2008-07-28, 16:46
*girlish scream* ahem, I was kind of hoping that it would be based aftr the events of Strikers but I don't care, I'm still looking foreward to it. I'm wondering if Linith (sp?) and Alicia would make an apperance in this version as they didn't appear much or at all in the original series. I'm liking the redesigns despite there isn't much difference between minus Bardice and Nanoha's outfit, but I can't tell if Raising Heart and Fate have also had a redesign from the scans.
Allquall
2008-07-28, 16:47
Who knows? They pretty much labelled the movie an AU already, so why not?
And, oh, would it sell...
Comartemis
2008-07-28, 16:48
Who knows? They pretty much labelled the movie an AU already, so why not?
Fair point.
Personally I'd like to see NanoFate go the way of Negima's Kono/Secchan pairing, where it's not just canonically acknowledged but turned into a running gag. Fat chance of that happening, though. Status quo is god (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StatusQuoIsGod), after all.
The moment they altered Raising Heart and Bardiche's design, this ceased to be a normal retelling. You're not going to be able to watch the movie first, and then continue with A's, because you'd be wondering what the hell happened to Raising Heart and Bardiche.
Conjecture. That is a minor change, and can be considered a correction. I think (I know) far, far more significant aesthetic changes were made for the Eva remakes. They are not AU. Besides, I don't think you can possibly argue that an intelligent device becoming female could possibly be the oddest thing out of all MGLN; thus, I certainly wouldn't waste time considering why such a minor change was made if I did jump from the film to A's.
Allquall
2008-07-28, 16:54
Conjecture. That is a minor change, and can be considered a correction. I think (I know) far, far more significant aesthetic changes were made for the Eva remakes. They are not AU. Besides, I don't think you can possibly argue that an intelligent device becoming female could possibly be the oddest thing out of all MGLN; thus, I certainly wouldn't waste time considering why such a minor change was made if I did jump from the film to A's.
Now, if only Yunno could become Yunnoko. That would be a change that I could rally around.
Now, if only Yunno could become Yunnoko. That would be a change that I could rally around.
I would prefer to see the guy get trodden on in his animal form. Although, changing the gender of a device would be more easily slipped by viewers than a character that has human form. But where would the motive be?
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 17:02
I think (I know) far, far more significant aesthetic changes were made for the Eva remakes. They are not AU.
For the ReBuild movies, it's really hard to tell when it's taking place. clues have hinted at a sequel to EoE while others have hinted at it being separate from the original storyline, thus being a AU. And yes, htere were quite a bit of aesthetic changes (a good amount being awesome while some, like 01's bright green, were kinda weird :heh:). With the redesigns for MGLN there's a good chance it will be AU-ish (Escaflowne Movie, though kinda an extreme example) rather than a continuation or placed at a random point in the current series (Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door).
Allquall
2008-07-28, 17:05
I would prefer to see the guy get trodden on in his animal form. Although, changing the gender of a device would be more easily slipped by viewers than a character that has human form. But where would the motive be?
He should be Arf's chew toy.
I need a "Yunno Haterz 4EVAR" Sig.
For the ReBuild movies, it's really hard to tell when it's taking place. clues have hinted at a sequel to EoE while others have hinted at it being separate from the original storyline, thus being a AU. And yes, htere were quite a bit of aesthetic changes (a good amount being awesome while some, like 01's bright green, were kinda weird :heh:). With the redesigns for MGLN there's a good chance it will be AU-ish (Escaflowne Movie, though kinda an extreme example) rather than a continuation or placed at a random point in the current series (Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door).
There is the universe of Evangelion, and then there are the decisions Anno and Gainax have come to regret, and the past they will likely sweep under the carpet while whistling. Probably so the ending is continuation-favourable, so they can suck on a market they previously closed off. I do believe Seven Arcs will do the same. Which way they will swing things, I can only guess (and hope) at.
He should be Arf's chew toy.
I need a "Yunno Haterz 4EVAR" Sig.
I'd sign up. I was going to specify a more gruesome want than for Yunno to merely be trodden on, but then decided to moderate it. :p
Well, I'm off for some sleep.
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 17:13
There is the universe of Evangelion, and then there are the decisions Anno and Gainax have come to regret, and the past they will likely sweep under the carpet while whistling. Probably so the ending is continuation-favourable, so they can suck on a market they previously closed off. I do believe Seven Arcs will do the same. Which way they will swing things, I can only guess (and hope) at.
It's still too early to tell and with no translation of the article nothing much to go by except pretty pictures :heh:. I just hope this won't devolve into a 'look at the pretty action scenes and explosions we can make with a big budget' type of movie. I want my character development, damn it :frustrated:. Although I want to see what SLB would look like on the big screen :eyespin:
Conjecture. That is a minor change, and can be considered a correction.
A correction that would have been reverted in A's, shortly before the two Devices got rebuilt again. Two rebuilts, one of which the viewers didn't get to see for more then two episodes. That's bound to raise question marks.
I think (I know) far, far more significant aesthetic changes were made for the Eva remakes. They are not AU.
Question, me not knowing anything about Evangelion, I have to ask, how many seasons does Evangelion have? And how many of them are true sequels, rather then remakes/sidestories and so on?
Besides, I don't think you can possibly argue that an intelligent device becoming female could possibly be the oddest thing out of all MGLN; thus, I certainly wouldn't waste time considering why such a minor change was made if I did jump from the film to A's.
Bardiche's VA is still the same to me as long as we don't have official confirmation (really, this is blowing a one-line comment probably aimed at Bardiche's appearance way out of proportion). I was talking about the aesthetic changes to both Raising Heart and Bardiche, not to mention Nanoha's Barrier Jacket.
Now, if only Yunno could become Yunnoko. That would be a change that I could rally around.
He should be Arf's chew toy.
I need a "Yunno Haterz 4EVAR" Sig.
Just out of curiosity, but do I understand correctly that you hate Yuuno for the sole reason of him being a guy?
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 17:39
Question, me not knowing anything about Evangelion, I have to ask, how many seasons does Evangelion have? And how many of them are true sequels, rather then remakes/sidestories and so on?
Just covering the animated stuff:
Shin Seiki Evangelion: 26 TV episodes
Additional development scenes cut from the TV airing were included in the Japanese DVD release but not in the first ADV US release. These scenes would later be added into the 'Director's Cut' DVDs and then in the revamped 'Platinum' (Renewal of Evangelion in Japan) edition.
Death & Rebirth: summary movie created to be shown before the Evangelion movie as the movie was released a few years after the TV series ended; also contains some new scenes.
End of Evangelion (EoE): a re-telling of the ending of the Evangelion TV series (broken up into 2 parts, 25' and 26') and a continuation. While the TV series is more of the psychological happenings, this movie features what is happening in the real world as well as concluding the TV series.
ReBuild of Evangelion: A recent project headed by Anno that will feature 4 films. The first so far has been a retelling of eps 1 - 6 with some changes that have sparked speculation as to whether these movies will be a re-telling or some sort of continuation. The second movie is set to be released end of 2008.
Demon Eyes
2008-07-28, 17:50
I don't believe retelling implies AU. The NGE remakes aren't AU. Besides, why would an AU be necessary?
Actually, the movies are destined to be different.
We already saw a lot in 1.01 - You are not alone.
And that first thing we saw was the re-make of Ramiel! Which BTW kicked MOST ass!
Now also in the Nanoha movies, the re-make of Bardiche is the first step. Who knows what's in store for us!
Oh God, it even gets more awesome the more we talk about it!
Now we are comparing it to EVA!:D
Which also makes me speculate that (Or hoping) they revisit Asuka and Rei's relationship. <- 9mil points for this. oh, the pawar of Fandom!
FABULOUS!
Allquall
2008-07-28, 17:51
Just out of curiosity, but do I understand correctly that you hate Yuuno for the sole reason of him being a guy?
No, I am very far from being a man-hater. I guess I hate what the creators did to him. The first shot that introduces us to the character (and to the series) in S1 is him failing to seal a jewel seed with the same ID that Nanoha handles easily. He is so defeated that a nine year old has to rescue him in his ferret-state. Then, he's forced on the audience as a love interest especially in StrikerS where we have two major scenes of blushing that are just out of place (but there were many of those types of scenes in StS). If the creators wanted to give Nanoha relationship potential, they should have used Chrono's character where they have equal power, but that's my twopence. Frankly, Nanoha's character is better off relationship-less in canon, because it keeps everyone guessing and everyone anticipating.
Back on topic and off of my ranting derail, I am wondering if they will bring in Raising Heart's origins. Will it still come from Yunno, and where did he get it from?
Demon Eyes
2008-07-28, 18:30
I don't think they will chance that!
Since it would mean explaining all the other devices too.
But since Fate created Bardiche, maybe that means that all the other mages created theirs too?
Also, having cooled down a little and reading more info about this, apparently, Nanoha and Fate will be rivals! I don't understand what this means since they were just that in the beginning.
Maybe Super Befriending? And more opportunities to GET IT ON!
After all, most generic M/F couples start out as rivals!
Are we going for Combo Breaker here ))))))) ?
I love Nanoha! Never stops surprising!
This is the best news i have heard all year. I would have liked better if it was a movie of the events in between A's and StrikerS, but i won't complain at this either.
Their new devices and clothes also look awsome. Gogo Nanoha!
Yeah, 6 years is kinda a big gap...
But this is amazing, I didn't expect anyone to know this anime...lmao I watched this back in February-April. Memory lane.
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 18:39
But since Fate created Bardiche, maybe that means that all the other mages created theirs too?
Actually, Fate didn't create her Device. Precia's familiar, Linith (sp?), did if I recall correctly.
Also, having cooled down a little and reading more info about this, apparently, Nanoha and Fate will be rivals! I don't understand what this means since they were just that in the beginning.
Which is what we've been saying: this movie will be a re-telling of the first season with new designs and such. We just don't know how much they will be changing storywise yet.
Comartemis
2008-07-28, 18:43
Actually, Fate didn't create her Device. Precia's familiar, Linith (sp?), did if I recall correctly.
Pretty sure that's right. And if mages always without exception make their own devices (not true anyways; see also the Revolver Knuckles of the Nakajima siblings, and for that matter all the devices the Forwards use), then suddenly Yuuno's... what's the word... competence drops even further than the Yuuno-haters would have you believe for designing a device he couldn't use in the first place.
I have a pet theory that RH is an ancient artifact Yuuno dug up, a relic of Belka used by a powerful mage, perhaps a paladin skilled in the usage of white magic. Nanoha has an identical affinity for white magic, which is why RH responds so readily to her and not to Yuuno, who is a fairly good mage in his own right, all lack of offensive magic aside.
Evangelion Xgouki
2008-07-28, 18:50
Looks like we have an update on the premise of the film. AnimeNewsNetwork posted an article on the upcoming film, slated for "Winter 2008." The article mentions that:
Franchise creator Masaki Tsuzuki emphasized that the movie is not necessarily the "true history" of the story, but a "new parallel history."
The article in its entirety can be found here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-28/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-the-movie-1st-announced).
Demon Eyes
2008-07-28, 19:08
Looks like we have an update on the premise of the film. AnimeNewsNetwork posted an article on the upcoming film, slated for "Winter 2008." The article mentions that:
Franchise creator Masaki Tsuzuki emphasized that the movie is not necessarily the "true history" of the story, but a "new parallel history."
The article in its entirety can be found here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-28/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-the-movie-1st-announced).
There is a *NEW* in there and Ladies and gentlemen, that is all I needed to know.:D
Evil Rick
2008-07-28, 19:56
A movie?
Well, the oprtunity of Nanoha to fix the mess that the creators made on StrikerS or fall even deeper :heh:
Although, something tells me that the movie is going to be good (at least that is what I expect)
Maybe it will be situated on Nanoha's teenages days (I hope)
I should have said this earlier, but after this movie, depending on the developments, the OC Thread is gonna get EVEN MORE timelines than before. Now we already have 2 continuities, we're gonna get at least 1-2 more. :p
Cadia 40K posts TOTSUGEKI!!! :heh:
LoweGear
2008-07-28, 21:21
So there are unconfirmed rumors going around that the studio animating Nanoha the Movie will be....
Production I.G.?
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Here's one rumor I wish is TRUE!!!!! :eek:
Dark Wing
2008-07-28, 22:30
So there are unconfirmed rumors going around that the studio animating Nanoha the Movie will be....
Production I.G.?
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Here's one rumor I wish is TRUE!!!!! :eek:
OMG That would be so much win if it's true!
wow first the announcement of Black Lagoon season 3 and now this! Next season is going to be awesome!:D
Fishbait
2008-07-28, 23:40
Quite the big news
Although I doubt it will take the NxF relationship further........................................... ........sigh:(
Ultima_Rasengan05
2008-07-29, 00:06
I kind of remember the one from the first movie. But wasn't it just a short 15 minutes movie with... well, whatever it was, I don't remember it having much of a good plot and all.
Hayate deserves more.
Thinking about it now, yeah that is too short of a time to show the greatness of Hayate. She definitely deserves more after what happened in StrikerS. Haha, how about a cameo appearance in the movie.
I don't really know how they're going to restart the whole Nanoha story with the movie's story. I mean, what things will they cut out and what elements will they leave in? For sure the Jewel Seeds backstory will be shortened, but they need all the time to develop the friendship of Nanoha and Fate. Not to mention the interference of TSAB and Chrono. Maybe Chrono will get to fight Fate...he should get an action sequence in this movie.
Just covering the animated stuff:
Shin Seiki Evangelion: 26 TV episodes
Additional development scenes cut from the TV airing were included in the Japanese DVD release but not in the first ADV US release. These scenes would later be added into the 'Director's Cut' DVDs and then in the revamped 'Platinum' (Renewal of Evangelion in Japan) edition.
Death & Rebirth: summary movie created to be shown before the Evangelion movie as the movie was released a few years after the TV series ended; also contains some new scenes.
End of Evangelion (EoE): a re-telling of the ending of the Evangelion TV series (broken up into 2 parts, 25' and 26') and a continuation. While the TV series is more of the psychological happenings, this movie features what is happening in the real world as well as concluding the TV series.
ReBuild of Evangelion: A recent project headed by Anno that will feature 4 films. The first so far has been a retelling of eps 1 - 6 with some changes that have sparked speculation as to whether these movies will be a re-telling or some sort of continuation. The second movie is set to be released end of 2008.
In other words, there is only one season, and all the movies and such were re-tellings of that one season, perhaps adding and changing a few things here and there, right?
In that case, there is a high chance that the Nanoha movie will be AU, as unlike Evangelion, Nanoha has sequels that would be contradicted.
No, I am very far from being a man-hater. I guess I hate what the creators did to him. The first shot that introduces us to the character (and to the series) in S1 is him failing to seal a jewel seed with the same ID that Nanoha handles easily. He is so defeated that a nine year old has to rescue him in his ferret-state. Then, he's forced on the audience as a love interest especially in StrikerS where we have two major scenes of blushing that are just out of place (but there were many of those types of scenes in StS). If the creators wanted to give Nanoha relationship potential, they should have used Chrono's character where they have equal power, but that's my twopence. Frankly, Nanoha's character is better off relationship-less in canon, because it keeps everyone guessing and everyone anticipating.
Okay, thanks for explaining. :)
Back on topic and off of my ranting derail, I am wondering if they will bring in Raising Heart's origins. Will it still come from Yunno, and where did he get it from?
Yuuno is in one of the production sketches, so I think he's going to be involved.
I have a pet theory that RH is an ancient artifact Yuuno dug up, a relic of Belka used by a powerful mage, perhaps a paladin skilled in the usage of white magic. Nanoha has an identical affinity for white magic, which is why RH responds so readily to her and not to Yuuno, who is a fairly good mage in his own right, all lack of offensive magic aside.
You're better of calling it a relic of Mid, as Raising Heart is quite clearly a Mid Childan device. Not all powerfull weaponry needs to come from Belka. ;)
Also, if anything Yuuno is the white mage of the two. His main spells are support and healing spells, Nanoha's main spells are offensive in nature, with some support.
Looks like we have an update on the premise of the film. AnimeNewsNetwork posted an article on the upcoming film, slated for "Winter 2008." The article mentions that:
Franchise creator Masaki Tsuzuki emphasized that the movie is not necessarily the "true history" of the story, but a "new parallel history."
The article in its entirety can be found here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-28/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-the-movie-1st-announced).
There is a *NEW* in there and Ladies and gentlemen, that is all I needed to know.:D
Seconded, bring on fresh plot!
Looks like we have an update on the premise of the film. AnimeNewsNetwork posted an article on the upcoming film, slated for "Winter 2008." The article mentions that:
Franchise creator Masaki Tsuzuki emphasized that the movie is not necessarily the "true history" of the story, but a "new parallel history."
The article in its entirety can be found here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-28/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-the-movie-1st-announced).
Hurray! A retelling of Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha. Heh this reminds me of Macross; Do you remember love and that was well done.
Quite the big news
Although I doubt it will take the NxF relationship further........................................... ........sigh:(
Oh well at least we will see an alternate retelling of the events in Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha. One thing for sure is we will see a different fight scene from the TV series and a change in character designs.
So there are unconfirmed rumors going around that the studio animating Nanoha the Movie will be....
Production I.G.?
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Here's one rumor I wish is TRUE!!!!! :eek:
That would be one of the greatest thing to happen if it does happen.
I have lots of hope for the movie and now I can go on knowing there will be a movie on Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha. With that I saw the character designs and I'm glad they changed Nanoha's barrier jacket (while Fate's almost looks the same.) With that the small additions to their intelligence devices are great. From what I'm seeing at the moment this movie will satisfy most Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha fans.
:) I can't wait to see the fighting animations and the plot fragments they will select for the movie. OH YAH! I wonder what are Arf's, Lindy's and Testarossa's (not Fate) character designs going to be like?
I know one thing I'm going to try and do. I need to watch Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha, following A's and then StrikerS. HURRAY!!
So there are unconfirmed rumors going around that the studio animating Nanoha the Movie will be....
Production I.G.?
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Here's one rumor I wish is TRUE!!!!! :eek:
That would be good eh, but it would be better to keep them in reserve to animate the fight of A's or to make an espionnage/military spinoff from Striker's ;).
Hmm... Teana having to fully jettison her Barrier Jacket to turn invisible... :uhoh:
Or a special unit lead by Ginga filled with the reformed numbers :heh:
In other words, there is only one season, and all the movies and such were re-tellings of that one season, perhaps adding and changing a few things here and there, right?
In that case, there is a high chance that the Nanoha movie will be AU, as unlike Evangelion, Nanoha has sequels that would be contradicted.
Format is irrelevant; there is plot and there is history. Contradictions are inevitable; events are glossed over, design changes made, etc. Overall, new decisions are made. For example, these minor aesthetic changes of the devices and anything else including barrier jackets were inevitable; films have larger budgets than TV series. Consider what you see a portrayal of events. This portrayal was limited in the first series by a low animation budget. Now Seven Arcs' have a chance to go back and flesh things out, add details to their vision. It is little different from You Are (Not) Alone. It's cheap to draw a floating diamond, but no-one wants to see one in a film. It's the same villain, just it has had a visual touch-up.
Looks like we have an update on the premise of the film. AnimeNewsNetwork posted an article on the upcoming film, slated for "Winter 2008." The article mentions that:
Franchise creator Masaki Tsuzuki emphasized that the movie is not necessarily the "true history" of the story, but a "new parallel history."
The article in its entirety can be found here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-28/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-the-movie-1st-announced).
I thought Seven Arcs' were getting bold, but they are indeed the personification of their own cowardly words; I cite "not necessarily", "true history" and most of all "parallel history". These are the words of someone that is afraid from fan backlash, or at least fearful of the possible perversion of their vision. As an author, I understand the latter, at least. The former, however, only means that if it receives approval from the majority, it becomes "true history", and if it fails that, it becomes "parallel history". But quite honestly, what is a "new parallel history" and how does it differ from a "true" continuity? He didn't say "alternate" where he could have done, and this might just be a reflection of my understanding of the word "parallel", but I believe that leans more toward the idea of it being simultaneous to the original, filling in gaps, adding new scenes, rather than overwriting major decisions.
Major decisions I define as plot changes; continuity-killers. You can go and get plastic surgery, even change your gender, but you cannot change who you were and what you did in the past. Similarly, Nanoha's barrier jacket could become green with blue spots, and one would only raise an eyebrow and wonder who in the design team screwed up, when and if they moved on to A's after the film; it's fiction; it's niche animation; and above all, it's theirs to call the shots; give them some damned leniency. However, if Nanoha was to die at the end of the film, killed by Fate, let us say, one wouldn't be able to fathom how she suddenly popped up, (at least) best friends with her apparent murderer if one watched A's after the film.
Back to my perception of Tsuzuki's "new parallel history"; it sits well with what I think are Seven Arcs' motives. I believe that either one of the following two things has happened:
1) The lure of riches have become to great; they wish to exploit the yuri empire, that have made quite apparent they will follow where ever Seven's ambiguity will take them (you should have seen the number of Japanese peers - the only market Seven will likely care about - downloading the second NanoFate megapack, and after the US, most visitors to nanofate.net reside in Japan, not to mention the amount of fanart this group has produced; Seven will, certainly, not be blind to the latter). But Seven acknowledge they've toed the line; that they've given us hint after subtle contextual hint, dumped the most questionable scenes on our laps, only to turn around give us unreadable stares when we point and shout, and point out that what we've seen is only our perception. They could just be really, really, really, slightly eccentric, good friends. So, if they are to continue MGLN with an official embrace of NanoFate, they need to go back and fill in some blanks, flesh out some scenes (show us some shots where previously the camera was off/pointing in the wrong direction/at another location :p ).
2) They've become sick and tired of the yuri labeling. Nanoha and Fate's behavior is completely normal. That bridge scene? Bah, the animators did the same thing when they were kids. Sleeping in the same bed, Fate in underwear? That's what friends do right? I mean, sure, the girls I know all sleep together communally in turn. And raising a child is completely normal for two friends to do; I mean, right to foster a child would certainly be granted to two people who, when asked if they were a couple, replied: "No, no, heh. Just best friends." ... So, they didn't ask for the attention, and now they've got a load of fanboys and fangirls following them around like some lost puppy, shooting them wide-eyed, pleading looks whenever they turn around. What to do? Kick the puppy. Teach it that if it stays around, it's going to get hurt.
(Yes, I made the latter deliberately hyper-biased for the sake of amusement. Don't take it (entirely) seriously :p )
Either way, they are making a firm decision where MGLN will be going in the future. They knew, sooner or later, ambiguity would turn interest to annoyance, stagnate mystery. Something had to be done to prevent this, and a film is short, and can make them some nice profits (as a TV series wouldn't). Perfect. Of course, I could end up utterly incorrect. If that is the case, I'll eat my words come December and admit how wrong I was.
EDIT: Um... wow... I wrote a mini-essay without even realising it. Well, I said I was going to come back with a big bag of conjecture in my first post in the the thread, didn't I? :D
EDIT: Um... wow... I wrote a mini-essay without even realising it. Well, I said I was going to come back with a big bag of conjecture in my first post in the the thread, didn't I? :D
Subject for discussion is always a good thing, as long as we saty on topic of the movie and don't start bashing and flaming eachother, nothing is wrong with a mini essay. :D
Format is irrelevant; there is plot and there is history. Contradictions are inevitable; events are glossed over, design changes made, etc. Overall, new decisions are made. For example, these minor aesthetic changes of the devices and anything else including barrier jackets were inevitable; films have larger budgets than TV series. Consider what you see a portrayal of events. This portrayal was limited in the first series by a low animation budget. Now Seven Arcs' have a chance to go back and flesh things out, add details to their vision. It is little different from You Are (Not) Alone. It's cheap to draw a floating diamond, but no-one wants to see one in a film. It's the same villain, just it has had a visual touch-up.
I personally hope you are wrong, because watching the same story I've already seen a dozen times, just shorter and with some visual touchups is not what I am looking forward too. If they're going to make a movie, they might as well do something impressive, something that keeps people to the edge of their seat with tenstion.
I thought Seven Arcs' were getting bold, but they are indeed the personification of their own cowardly words; I cite "not necessarily", "true history" and most of all "parallel history". These are the words of someone that is afraid from fan backlash, or at least fearful of the possible perversion of their vision. As an author, I understand the latter, at least. The former, however, only means that if it receives approval from the majority, it becomes "true history", and if it fails that, it becomes "parallel history". But quite honestly, what is a "new parallel history" and how does it differ from a "true" continuity? He didn't say "alternate" where he could have done, and this might just be a reflection of my understanding of the word "parallel", but I believe that leans more toward the idea of it being simultaneous to the original, filling in gaps, adding new scenes, rather than overwriting major decisions.
Speaking as a writer myself as well, I have to disagree with this analysis. I have written stories myself, some which I concider the 'true' storyline, and others that I concider diversions, or 'parallel histories' to those stories. Tsuzuki created the Nanoha timeline as we know them from the TV series, and uses the movie to diverge away from that (in fact, he already did so with the novel once) a parallel history is to vague to go on, basically it just means that the events happen in the same period of time, but it in no way means that the events will follow the same line. In fact, just the parallel is to vague to go either way, as both the filling-the-gaps ot taking-a-spin are possible.
Looking at the series though, filling-the-gaps becomes hard. The series is thirteen episodes long, shortening that down to two hours means that you will be cutting a lot of material. Its possible, there are a lot of scenes in Nanoha that can be cut without affecting the plot, but where you would get the time to add more material is a mystery to me. If you want to keep all the characters and the storyline preserved as it is, there is very little room for new scenes, if any at all. To do so would mean cutting out, or seriously rewrite, several other key events and characters.
Then there is the fact that Tsuzuki said this is not the "true history" (I'm leaving out the 'not necissarily', as this may be interpretation of the author of the ANN article. Someone correct me if I'm wrong) this, combined with the "parallel history" part, shapes the meaning of the later. The parallel history is not the true history, in other words, its a timeline that, while it follows the same frame of time (it happens around the same period) it is not the same. Ruling out any significant changes in plot becomes impossible.
1) The lure of riches have become to great; they wish to exploit the yuri empire, that have made quite apparent they will follow where ever Seven's ambiguity will take them (you should have seen the number of Japanese peers - the only market Seven will likely care about - downloading the second NanoFate megapack, and after the US, most visitors to nanofate.net reside in Japan, not to mention the amount of fanart this group has produced; Seven will, certainly, not be blind to the latter). But Seven acknowledge they've toed the line; that they've given us hint after subtle contextual hint, dumped the most questionable scenes on our laps, only to turn around give us unreadable stares when we point and shout, and point out that what we've seen is only our perception. They could just be really, really, really, slightly eccentric, good friends. So, if they are to continue MGLN with an official embrace of NanoFate, they need to go back and fill in some blanks, flesh out some scenes (show us some shots where previously the camera was off/pointing in the wrong direction/at another location :p ).
Possible, and I would not be surprised if they did. Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama caused them to trip and stumble over the line, and they needed to put Fate on a ship and toss in Yuuno as a sacrificial lamb to return to the Status Quo. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StatusQuoIsGod) Or at least give those who don't worship NanoFate an argument to say they aren't together. However, many of the neutral fans have also been shouting out at Seven Arcs to just give an answer already (most neutral fans don't care whether its a 'yes' or a 'no'). Simply tieing it down and saying 'yes' would mean they no longer have to worry about taking the fanservice too far.
2) They've become sick and tired of the yuri labeling. Nanoha and Fate's behavior is completely normal. That bridge scene? Bah, the animators did the same thing when they were kids. Sleeping in the same bed, Fate in underwear? That's what friends do right? I mean, sure, the girls I know all sleep together communally in turn.
For the most part, this is where I usually drew a blank why people said this proved NanoFate, because I did do a lot of those things, and still do as a matter of fact (I actually used to sleep in the same bed with one of my closest friends quite often, untill recently).
And raising a child is completely normal for two friends to do;
And this is where they stumbled. The former parts were all perfectly ambigious, but to fix the Fate-mama debacle, they had to make it abundantly clear that Nanoha was the mother, and not Nanoha and Fate, afterwards. They took the fanservice one step too far, to the point where it became hard to believe it was 'just' fanservice.
(Yes, I made the latter deliberately hyper-biased for the sake of amusement. Don't take it (entirely) seriously :p )
Too late. :p Seriously though, it was funny to read. :p
Either way, they are making a firm decision where MGLN will be going in the future. They knew, sooner or later, ambiguity would turn interest to annoyance, stagnate mystery. Something had to be done to prevent this, and a film is short, and can make them some nice profits (as a TV series wouldn't). Perfect. Of course, I could end up utterly incorrect. If that is the case, I'll eat my words come December and admit how wrong I was.
Likewise, I won't deny I was wrong if your theory turns out to be right.
I personally hope you are wrong, because watching the same story I've already seen a dozen times, just shorter and with some visual touchups is not what I am looking forward too. If they're going to make a movie, they might as well do something impressive, something that keeps people to the edge of their seat with tenstion.
I think you've come to the wrong place for that; it doesn't strike me as a Seven Arcs' tactic or, even, anime studio tactic. New is unsafe, old is proven. Their margin is thin, so they'll keep risk to a minimum.
Speaking as a writer myself as well, I have to disagree with this analysis. I have written stories myself, some which I concider the 'true' storyline, and others that I concider diversions, or 'parallel histories' to those stories. Tsuzuki created the Nanoha timeline as we know them from the TV series, and uses the movie to diverge away from that (in fact, he already did so with the novel once) a parallel history is to vague to go on, basically it just means that the events happen in the same period of time, but it in no way means that the events will follow the same line. In fact, just the parallel is to vague to go either way, as both the filling-the-gaps ot taking-a-spin are possible.
Looking at the series though, filling-the-gaps becomes hard. The series is thirteen episodes long, shortening that down to two hours means that you will be cutting a lot of material. Its possible, there are a lot of scenes in Nanoha that can be cut without affecting the plot, but where you would get the time to add more material is a mystery to me. If you want to keep all the characters and the storyline preserved as it is, there is very little room for new scenes, if any at all. To do so would mean cutting out, or seriously rewrite, several other key events and characters.
Then there is the fact that Tsuzuki said this is not the "true history" (I'm leaving out the 'not necissarily', as this may be interpretation of the author of the ANN article. Someone correct me if I'm wrong) this, combined with the "parallel history" part, shapes the meaning of the later. The parallel history is not the true history, in other words, its a timeline that, while it follows the same frame of time (it happens around the same period) it is not the same. Ruling out any significant changes in plot becomes impossible.
I don't think the film will add anything too new, for reasons stated before. Also, major plot changes are unsafe, and this isn't only Tsuzuki's vision anymore; I also feel his reaction was a voice to his fears; if he doesn't like what the whole of Seven decides to do with his creation, he can say that, in his eyes, it isn't "true history" (hence the "not necessarily" addition covering his back so if things work out later) and fans that perceive themselves as "true" fans will take up the same stance. It's exactly what I would do.
The major reason to make a film at this stage was to correct an error of some kind in previous series, hence my belief that Seven will finally state their stance on relationships (as it is the only major "problem" with MGLN that springs to mind). Look at the new(ish) GitS: SAC film; there wasn't anything that could really be considered new, nor much plot or indeed reason to watch it for those that weren't really concerned with GitS' direction; all the studio really wanted to do was fix the stereotypical "story goes boom" ending for 2nd GIG that they added for maximum impact. Certainly had me on the edge of my seat. But, at the end of the day, plot-death doesn't bode well for profits when you're dealing with a flagship series, so they go ahead and make a film to show that all really ends well - leading up to further, inevitable continuation. I'm convinced Gainax are doing the exact same thing with NGE, and that Seven Arcs' will continue the tradition in much the same vein.
It's not a question of what I want, it's a question of leading by example. The proven masters do it, and so, therefore, everyone else will copy. Let us not forget money is a massive factor; without it, Seven can't do what they enjoy. They are not out just to make a good story, but to create a commercial success.
Thus, I do not expect any plot changes that would damage continuity. You Are (Not) Alone was given good reviews, certainly, but people complained they'd seen it all before; nothing was new; it was a faithful, extremely attractive retelling of the first six episodes. Film is not a place to experiment; you're putting a lot of money on the line when you start out, and you can only guess at how people will receive your vision. If the original was successful, they'll do the exact same thing again. They know people will go and see it. Sure, some will complain afterward that nothing new happened, but the studio will have fixed their problem, and the fans will forget all that prior nastiness when the continuation that was being lead up to is released.
For the most part, this is where I usually drew a blank why people said this proved NanoFate, because I did do a lot of those things, and still do as a matter of fact (I actually used to sleep in the same bed with one of my closest friends quite often, untill recently).
Well, we have to remember this is a story created primarily by males. Most will not do, and wouldn't consider doing the kind of things that were portrayed in all these conspicuous scenes. Besides, I know girls that have done things like sleep huddled together in a ditch after a metal concert, but I can't see most of them sleeping in the same bed in their underwear on a regular basis. Even if they do, I imagine Sevens' male staff share the same general perception, especially as the Japanese are so wary of physical contact. Nanoha is supposed to be a Japanese girl, but does these thing with Fate. These are not things that Japanese friends do. I have a few Japanese friends, and they are, despite their being used to foreigners, a little unwilling to shake hands, or pat one another on the back in a friendly jesture. Imagine, if you will, a sudden tearful embrace, or the exchange of ribbons. Most would be mortified beyond belief, utterly and totally embarrassed. Yet Nanoha does these things. She knows others are watching. This is all the proof I need.
EDIT: I made several additions and corrections after I posted the first version.
I think you've come to the wrong place for that; it doesn't strike me as a Seven Arcs' tactic or, even, anime studio tactic. New is unsafe, old is proven. Their margin is thin, so they'll keep risk to a minimum.
They did new with StrikerS, it payed off (despite large amount of complaints here, in Japan StrikerS sold better then Nanoha and A's combined) so doing something new is no strange tactic for Seven Arcs.
The major reason to make a film at this stage was to correct an error of some kind in previous series,
Source? Or is this just a theory?
hence my belief that Seven will finally state their stance on relationships (as it is the only major "problem" with MGLN that springs to mind).
Hmm, another problem that springs to mind is that the first season is too Magical Girlish compared to the other two series. The redesigning of Nanoha's Barrier Jacket and Raising Heart to be less magical girl and more... well, Nanoha, seem to support this.
Look at the new(ish) GitS: SAC film; there wasn't anything that could really be considered new, nor much plot or indeed reason to watch it for those that weren't really concerned with GitS' direction; all the studio really wanted to do was fix the stereotypical "story goes boom" ending for 2nd GIG that they added for maximum impact. Certainly had me on the edge of my seat. But, at the end of the day, plot-death doesn't bode well for profits when you're dealing with a flagship series, so they go ahead and make a film to show that all really ends well - leading up to further, inevitable continuation. I'm convinced Gainax are doing the exact same thing with NGE, and that Seven Arcs' will continue the tradition in much the same vein.
Thus, I do not expect any plot changes that would damage continuity. You Are (Not) Alone was given good reviews, certainly, but people complained they'd seen it all before; nothing was new; it was a faithful, extremely attractive retelling of the first six episodes. Film is not a place to experiment; you're putting a lot of money on the line when you start out, and you can only guess at how people will receive your vision. If the original was successful, they'll do the exact same thing again. They know people will go and see it. Sure, some will complain afterward that nothing new happened, but the studio will have fixed their problem, and the fans will forget all that prior nastiness when the continuation that was being lead up to is released.
The problem I see with this comparison is that Nanoha already has a continuation. There is no plot death to fix, so there is no need to make a movie for that. The first season of Nanoha was also filled with ambiguity, but if they wanted to fix the romance in Nanoha, wouldn't it have been better to make a StrikerS movie in which Nanoha and Fate got together? The first season of Nanoha already has a continuation, StrikerS does not, unless they plan to really change things, there is no reason to make a movie about the first season, as there is no plot to fix, nor a continuation to lead up to. All that would be far more fitting, and thus more stable, in the far more succesfull StrikerS.
Well, we have to remember this is a story created primarily by males. Most will not do, and wouldn't consider doing the kind of things that were portrayed in all these conspicuous scenes. Besides, I know girls that have done things like sleep huddled together in a ditch after a metal concert, but I can't see most of them sleeping in the same bed in their underwear on a regular basis.
Well, like I said, my own experiences are different. Having done most of the things we see Nanoha and Fate do makes it hard for me to imagine as being proof of their relationship. Oh, I know they are close, but to me those things are far from crossing the line seperating 'love' from 'friendship'
Personal perspective can be strange like that. :heh:
Even if they do, I imagine Sevens' male staff share the same general perception, especially as the Japanese are so wary of physical contact. Nanoha is supposed to be a Japanese girl, but does these thing with Fate. These are not things that Japanese friends do. I have a few Japanese friends, and they are, despite their being used to foreigners, a little unwilling to shake hands, or pat one another on the back in a friendly gesture. Imagine, if you will, a sudden tearful embrace, or the exchange of ribbons. Most would be mortified beyond belief, utterly and totally embarrassed. Yet Nanoha does these things. She knows others are watching. This is all the proof I need.
This is rather irrelevant, in my opinion, concidering we see this kind of stuff in anime all the time. Friendly pats on the back, hugs, handshakes, all are as comon as dirt in anime. Anime is not an accurate display of Japanese culture. (to add to it, Nanoha and Fate both hugged a distressed Hayate in the manga, Nanoha even drying of Hayate's tears with her own hands. Does that mean both of them love Hayate too?)
The problem I see with this comparison is that Nanoha already has a continuation. There is no plot death to fix, so there is no need to make a movie for that. The first season of Nanoha was also filled with ambiguity, but if they wanted to fix the romance in Nanoha, wouldn't it have been better to make a StrikerS movie in which Nanoha and Fate got together? The first season of Nanoha already has a continuation, StrikerS does not, unless they plan to really change things, there is no reason to make a movie about the first season, as there is no plot to fix, nor a continuation to lead up to. All that would be far more fitting, and thus more stable, in the far more succesfull StrikerS.
Plot death is a problem. Plot death may or may not be the problem a series has. Anime films often fix problems, whatever they may be. It's getting tiresome elaborating on the same thing, and I've provided two examples to turn conjecture to proper reasoning, and am certain I could easily find more. Lastly, I pointed out in depth there is indeed a problem to fix, and you concurred in an earlier post. Besides, to fix it in the time frame of the first season will draw attention back to the first season for the larger market the film opens up to. Money is a factor.
And no, it wouldn't be better to do a StrikerS movie; as you have previously argued many a time that films provide little time to working with; I believe that a fourth season will be forthcoming after this film, starting from a point fans would have though questionable (had this film not filled in a few blanks/rewritten some prior events). Besides, a personal preference on the part of the staff will sway things a little; not everything is cold, hard analysis; maybe they wished to return to a work they felt they could have done to a superior standard. Maybe, to them, the first season sits there, a blemish on the franchise, and they wish to correct it, hmm?
This is rather irrelevant, in my opinion, concidering we see this kind of stuff in anime all the time. Friendly pats on the back, hugs, handshakes, all are as comon as dirt in anime. Anime is not an accurate display of Japanese culture. (to add to it, Nanoha and Fate both hugged a distressed Hayate in the manga, Nanoha even drying of Hayate's tears with her own hands. Does that mean both of them love Hayate too?)
Firstly, Fate isn't Japanese. Secondly, culture and environment always colours fiction, even if you cannot see it (which surprises me). Many a time I have watched a series with my friends, and there is a moment when we turn to one another and grin, knowing that despite how futuristic/cosmopolitan the storyteller might be trying to make the plot and characters, they are Japanese at heart. I'm unsure what niche you've been watching, but bows are more common in anime than handshakes, katana have a presence that means more to the Japanese than to us, the tea ceremony features often, cicada song can be heard in many an outside scene, which again, means something more to the Japanese than to us, and foreigners are often portrayed, usually subconsciously, as inferior in some manner. Culture is far from irrelevant.
Notice, if you will, how other characters in Nanoha behave far more like Japanese people. I don't know if you've been to Japan, conversed with a Japanese individual, or researched their culture and history, but the storyteller's bias will always shine though. It's natural. There are certainly outgoing, extrovert Japanese; people very like Nanoha. But culture always has a grip; on the storyteller, on the animator, on the character; Nanoha may dry the tears on a friend's cheek, but the laws of culture than govern her have deeper root. I've been hugged rather spontaneously when I was looking very depressed by one of my Japanese friends - something so unexpected I was utterly lost for words, but when you spend time around them, they still never blow their nose in the street, never talk on their phone on a train or bus, always queue on the platform before they board a train, and would never, ever kiss in public.
Deathkillz
2008-07-29, 06:39
Hold on...I must have misheard...
A remake of the first season!?!? O.o''''
This means more Loli fate chan right? *Explodes*
This is the best news EVER! :D (now go make my year with news of a RM S3 for 2009).
Plot death is a problem. Plot death may or may not be the problem a series has. Anime films often fix problems, whatever they may be. It's getting tiresome elaborating on the same thing, and I've provided two examples to turn conjecture to proper reasoning, and am certain I could easily find more. Lastly, I pointed out in depth there is indeed a problem to fix, and you concurred in an earlier post. Besides, to fix it in the time frame of the first season will draw attention back to the first season for the larger market the film opens up to. Money is a factor.
I am not disagreeing that there is nothing to fix, but rather disagreeing that trying to keep everything the same while making an S1 movie makes little sense. Yes, they can fix the romance in Nanoha by making an S1 movie, but that would mean altering the lines at which the sequels thread, thereby altering the main plot, which goes against your earlier statements that this movie won't touch the plot of the series.
And no, it wouldn't be better to do a StrikerS movie; as you have previously argued many a time that films provide little time to working with;
I was actually talking about a post-strikers movie. Making an original movie leaves a lot more free time to work with rather then a re-edit. I should have been more clear about that, sorry.
I believe that a fourth season will be forthcoming after this film, starting from a point fans would have though questionable (had this film not filled in a few blanks/rewritten some prior events). Besides, a personal preference on the part of the staff will sway things a little; not everything is cold, hard analysis; maybe they wished to return to a work they felt they could have done to a superior standard. Maybe, to them, the first season sits there, a blemish on the franchise, and they wish to correct it, hmm?
Possible. As I said, the first season is far more magical girlish compared to the later ones (which, really, is the only difference between the three seasons). Fixing this, however, requires major alterations to the plot.
Firstly, Fate isn't Japanese. Secondly, culture and environment always colours fiction, even if you cannot see it (which surprises me). Many a time I have watched a series with my friends, and there is a moment when we turn to one another and grin, knowing that despite how futuristic/cosmopolitan the storyteller might be trying to make the plot and characters, they are Japanese at heart. I'm unsure what niche you've been watching, but bows are more common in anime than handshakes, katana have a presence that means more to the Japanese than to us, the tea ceremony features often, cicada song can be heard in many an outside scene, which again, means something more to the Japanese than to us, and foreigners are often portrayed, usually subconsciously, as inferior in some manner. Culture is far from irrelevant.
I'm not saying culture as a whole is irrelevant, but rather that the tiny things you describe as extraordinary are comonplace in anime. Like I said, Nanoha displays physical affection to pretty much anyone she meets. Fate, Hayate, Vita, Subaru, Teana, Vivio, all recieve a their share of physical affection from Nanoha (Vivio has an excuse though), so saying 'because Japanese are wary of physical contact, Nanoha doing so means she's in love with Fate' (which is what I read into it, do correct me if I'm wrong) sounds... jumpy.
... How did we get from talking about the movie to our opinions on NanoFate anyway? :eyespin:
*watches the spectacle with a bag of popcorn*
About time you guys noticed. :p Want some? >:3
As for the movie, to be honest, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. Hopefully they'd do A's as well; it was the season that got me interested after all; despite being an ardent Fate fan, I've never finished S1. :p
Deathkillz
2008-07-29, 07:07
[I]despite being an ardent Fate fan, I've never finished S1. :p
And you call yourself a fan!? :twitch:...hang your head in shame until you've finished it >.>
And before anyone starts, step away from mai waifu! :p
Basically, I watched it from the middle onwards, so I got all the Fate awesome I needed. The earlier parts were... :meh:
*continues hugging Fate-chan* >:3
I am not disagreeing that there is nothing to fix, but rather disagreeing that trying to keep everything the same while making an S1 movie makes little sense. Yes, they can fix the romance in Nanoha by making an S1 movie, but that would mean altering the lines at which the sequels thread, thereby altering the main plot, which goes against your earlier statements that this movie won't touch the plot of the series.
I think all the process of fixing would involve, like I said previously, some new footage placed between familiar scenes, some addition to dialog, a slight change to tone or reaction or facial expression here and there, all which add credence to the already conspicuous continuity. It would not require any radical plot change, and Seven could just claim they omitted it previously, or, they couldn't spare the budget. Everything comes out nice, simple, and profitable.
I was actually talking about a post-strikers movie. Making an original movie leaves a lot more free time to work with rather then a re-edit. I should have been more clear about that, sorry.
I understand you now. Yes, a post-StrikerS film could do much to fix the same problem. I can only put the decision to return to season one for the film as the studio's preference (they're more familiar with that scene, and MGLN did stem from it), the wish to rebuild it to a greater quality (as I have previously theorised), and the marketing benefits. StrikerS was more popular, so there will be people that have seen that and not S1 and A's; maybe Seven is doing the film for their benefit, to fill in the gaps, as well as luring them back to sample their older works.
Possible. As I said, the first season is far more magical girlish compared to the later ones (which, really, is the only difference between the three seasons). Fixing this, however, requires major alterations to the plot.
Not so. They can omit some scenes, change some villains, and yes, alter the plot somewhat, but nothing need be done that would damage continuity, Especially if they intend to do another film for A's (which one could consider implied by the title of this film). They can have everything rounded off nice and tidily for progression onto a possible fourth series.
I'm not saying culture as a whole is irrelevant, but rather that the tiny things you describe as extraordinary are comonplace in anime. Like I said, Nanoha displays physical affection to pretty much anyone she meets. Fate, Hayate, Vita, Subaru, Teana, Vivio, all recieve a their share of physical affection from Nanoha (Vivio has an excuse though), so saying 'because Japanese are wary of physical contact, Nanoha doing so means she's in love with Fate' (which is what I read into it, do correct me if I'm wrong) sounds... jumpy.
It is a component of a far broader argument. For example, from the perspective of many a (particularly male) Westerner, Nanoha and Fate's behavior would be considered conspicuous to varying degrees. Take this perspective, and look at it through Japanese eyes. Even if the viewers consider both Nanoha and Fate foreigners, and judge them to be more comfortable with this sort of thing, they are still going to raise their eyebrows higher than their Western counterparts. All it does is lend credence to existing argument. I am not jumping to any conclusions here, but I would like to keep this portion of discussion brief.
... How did we get from talking about the movie to our opinions on NanoFate anyway? :eyespin:
I am... unsure. :uhoh: I think it can be considered on-topic though, due to the direction our discussion has taken.
*continues hugging Fate-chan* >:3
Them be fighting words. Don't force my hand. :p
Deathkillz
2008-07-29, 07:32
Right, that's two name on my "to kill with a nail bat" list, who else wants to join? ^^
Quite the big news
Although I doubt it will take the NxF relationship further........................................... ........sigh:(
Haha.....No.
The movie's a retelling of the first season, you say? So that means we're gonna see the whole Nanoha vs Fate thing going on again. The only problem I slightly have with the series is that...no one dies. People bleed enough to cover the floor, and yet they're fine in the end. I guess that's not too bad, after all, I'm a sucker for happy endings. :)
And before anyone starts, step away from mai waifu! :p
*continues hugging Fate-chan* >:3
Them be fighting words. Don't force my hand. :p
*Watches on while hugging Vivio* Fate-fans are weird people.
I think all the process of fixing would involve, like I said previously, some new footage placed between familiar scenes, some addition to dialog, a slight change to tone or reaction or facial expression here and there, all which add credence to the already conspicuous continuity. It would not require any radical plot change, and Seven could just claim they omitted it previously, or, they couldn't spare the budget. Everything comes out nice, simple, and profitable.
And yet if their aim is to make NanoFate canon, they'd contradict several other sources of information, like the ending of A's, the relationship charts, and the Sound Stage M, which has Hayate and Fate talking about why Nanoha and Yuuno haven't gotten together yet.
No, this is much more complicated then it seems.
I understand you now. Yes, a post-StrikerS film could do much to fix the same problem. I can only put the decision to return to season one for the film as the studio's preference (they're more familiar with that scene, and MGLN did stem from it), the wish to rebuild it to a greater quality (as I have previously theorised), and the marketing benefits. StrikerS was more popular, so there will be people that have seen that and not S1 and A's; maybe Seven is doing the film for their benefit, to fill in the gaps, as well as luring them back to sample their older works.
Sounds like a good case scenario.
Not so. They can omit some scenes, change some villains, and yes, alter the plot somewhat, but nothing need be done that would damage continuity, Especially if they intend to do another film for A's (which one could consider implied by the title of this film). They can have everything rounded off nice and tidily for progression onto a possible fourth series.
There are several things they cannot remove if they wish to keep the plot intact:
Jewel Seeds: These were an essential part of the first season, and are mentioned again later on in the series. Removing them would create gaps.
Precia and Alicia: Again, cetral in the series and very important later on, especially in A's.
Yuuno: There is no way they can write out Yuuno, and according to the sketches they don't plan to. His human form must also be shown at least once in the movie (pretty easy, but Yuuno-haters will not be happy).
TSAB: Also another factor that needs to be taken into account, without the TSAB, very little that happens in the following seasons will make sense.
Lost Logia/Al Hazard explanation: As I recall, the only explanation that we are given on the subject of what Lost Logia and Al Hazard are stems from season 1 (actually, I wouldn't mind if they delve a bit deeper into Al Hazard in the movie)
By the looks of it, Nanoha's familly and Arisa and Suzuka are going to get the brunt of the ommiting, being that they weren't really important to the plot (Arisa discovering Arf is easy to work around). What is going to be really hard to properly display somewhat realistically is Nanoha's leaps in strength. In the series, they could use the "X-amount of time has passed between episodes" but timeskips in movies often feel weird. The Jewel Seed hunt also needs to be shortened immensely, probably catching all they need in a few flashes or the like.
However, while this does serve to shorten the anime, it still hasn't fixed the problem that Nanoha feels far more like a Magical Girl anime then the other seasons. Changes in plot that could fix this would be Chrono ariving sooner, or even Yuuno being send as a front officer of the TSAB himself, send to recruit people (random ideas, don't take them too seriously).
At least people aren't dying then being miraculously resurrected, and I thank Haruhi for that! :p
@Keroko: Cos I feel weird hugging Erio; I'm nowhere as clingy as my dad. :p I'm better at patting his head for a job well done in StrikerS despite semi-shaftage though. :D
And yet if their aim is to make NanoFate canon, they'd contradict several other sources of information, like the ending of A's, the relationship charts, and the Sound Stage M, which has Hayate and Fate talking about why Nanoha and Yuuno haven't gotten together yet.
No, this is much more complicated then it seems.
They wouldn't contradict anything. The end of A's? I don't recall anything relevant then. The relationship charts? All they served to do was to downgrade the nature of Yunno's relationship with Nanoha while preserving the general inclination toward ambiguity (this can be seen as the start of Seven's final romantic relations choices). Besides, one would hope to be good, best friends with their partner if they ever wanted a stable and lasting relationship. As for Sound Stages, all I know is that Fate's seiyuu is a giant NanoFate fan, and has even agreed with Nanoha's that she is the father, and Fate the mother of Vivio. She goes to great lengths to implicate the two are a couple. I forgot that whole realm of reasoning previously, but don't want to go into it here.
And fiction is as complicated as the creators decide to make it. In the end everything turns out quite simplistic, usually, every story following the same base structure. Heroes and villains, a beginning, middle and end. Either character or events drive the story.
There are several things they cannot remove if they wish to keep the plot intact:
Jewel Seeds: These were an essential part of the first season, and are mentioned again later on in the series. Removing them would create gaps.
Precia and Alicia: Again, cetral in the series and very important later on, especially in A's.
Yuuno: There is no way they can write out Yuuno, and according to the sketches they don't plan to. His human form must also be shown at least once in the movie (pretty easy, but Yuuno-haters will not be happy).
TSAB: Also another factor that needs to be taken into account, without the TSAB, very little that happens in the following seasons will make sense.
Lost Logia/Al Hazard explanation: As I recall, the only explanation that we are given on the subject of what Lost Logia and Al Hazard are stems from season 1 (actually, I wouldn't mind if they delve a bit deeper into Al Hazard in the movie)
By the looks of it, Nanoha's familly and Arisa and Suzuka are going to get the brunt of the ommiting, being that they weren't really important to the plot (Arisa discovering Arf is easy to work around). What is going to be really hard to properly display somewhat realistically is Nanoha's leaps in strength. In the series, they could use the "X-amount of time has passed between episodes" but timeskips in movies often feel weird. The Jewel Seed hunt also needs to be shortened immensely, probably catching all they need in a few flashes or the like.
However, while this does serve to shorten the anime, it still hasn't fixed the problem that Nanoha feels far more like a Magical Girl anime then the other seasons. Changes in plot that could fix this would be Chrono ariving sooner, or even Yuuno being send as a front officer of the TSAB himself, send to recruit people (random ideas, don't take them too seriously).
They needn't remove these things; they need only not show it. Two hours isn't time enough to explain everything by lending it screen time, and only a fool would try. This is why I believe a retelling can only stem from the desire to fix a problem, rather than create a new, fleshed-out alternate scenario. By saying that this happens parallel to the first series, people that enjoy it are likely to go and watch the first series.
And there are plenty of films that handle time skips very well, indeed I remember a film that went had short snippets in reverse order (the lead had short term memory loss) with a massive revelation at the end (or rather, beginning). It was a masterpiece.
labpartner
2008-07-29, 08:46
Nanoha's redesigned BJ seems somewhat reminiscent of a certain Gundam.... :p
She's the "White Demon", remember who that is in the Gundam Universe?
:heh::heh:
They wouldn't contradict anything. The end of A's? I don't recall anything relevant then.
Ami had a conversation with Yuuno on why there wasn't any progress between him and Nanoha. This would look weird if they made NanoFate official in the first season, no?
This is why a StrikerS movie would have made more sense if it was for the sake of romance, sure there's the relationship chart, but that's hardly as important is an actual scene in the anime (you can even say that the movie is setd after the chart). Right now, if they really make this movie because of the romance, it'd definetely be AU, as every other source (anime, manga and soundstages) would contradict it in some way or the other.
The relationship charts? All they served to do was to downgrade the nature of Yunno's relationship with Nanoha while preserving the general inclination toward ambiguity (this can be seen as the start of Seven's final romantic relations choices).
They also downgraded Fate from 'Fate-mama' to 'Nanoha's best friend alongside Hayate' it was more a return to status quo then anything else.
Besides, one would hope to be good, best friends with their partner if they ever wanted a stable and lasting relationship. As for Sound Stages, all I know is that Fate's seiyuu is a giant NanoFate fan, and has even agreed with Nanoha's that she is the father, and Fate the mother of Vivio. She goes to great lengths to implicate the two are a couple. I forgot that whole realm of reasoning previously, but don't want to go into it here.
I was more talking about the 'in character' sound stages, not the Seiyuu comment ones.
And fiction is as complicated as the creators decide to make it. In the end everything turns out quite simplistic, usually, every story following the same base structure. Heroes and villains, a beginning, middle and end. Either character or events drive the story.
... I am quite surprised to see you as an author actually make that statement. Fiction easilly gets very complicated, especially when the world surounding the fiction gets larger. Sure, you can hammer things down and make things easy, but that means you're relying on the stupidity of your audience (i.e. not noticing the changes) this is a very bad thing to do, as you treat your audience like idiots.
They needn't remove these things; they need only not show it. Two hours isn't time enough to explain everything by lending it screen time, and only a fool would try. This is why I believe a retelling can only stem from the desire to fix a problem, rather than create a new, fleshed-out alternate scenario. By saying that this happens parallel to the first series, people that enjoy it are likely to go and watch the first series.
Which, in the end, wouldn't really fix anything, would it? It would only serve to complicate the film, and point people towards what you tried to fix to get answers. If that's the marketing strategy, then that's the marketing strategy, but its pretty much the oposite of fixing things.
This is why I believe they'll make it AU instead of a simple remake, they can change far more that way and make a good flowing and interesting story that doesn't leave you with question marks that are only answered if you go watch the original, which means going through the same story again, only this time at a dreadfully slow pace. The first season of Nanoha can be quite off-putting for non-magical girl fans due to its low speed and overly magical girlness.
And there are plenty of films that handle time skips very well, indeed I remember a film that went had short snippets in reverse order (the lead had short term memory loss) with a massive revelation at the end (or rather, beginning). It was a masterpiece.
Allright, I'll retract that stament then.
Ami had a conversation with Yuuno on why there wasn't any progress between him and Nanoha. This would look weird if they made NanoFate official in the first season, no?
Not at all. Ami is only a support character that gets to see little of Nanoha and Fate's time together. Besides, it's only a question. I think you are reading too deeply here. People ask me how I am "progressing" with girls they probably know I'm not interested in (or they wrongly think I am). Not everything people say is serious, and people do not know everything.
They also downgraded Fate from 'Fate-mama' to 'Nanoha's best friend alongside Hayate' it was more a return to status quo then anything else.
I was more talking about the 'in character' sound stages, not the Seiyuu comment ones.
I lend far less credence to these quick-fixes than the actual animation. Seven wanted to cover themselves, and I know why.
I am quite surprised to see you as an author actually make that statement. Fiction easilly gets very complicated, especially when the world surounding the fiction gets larger. Sure, you can hammer things down and make things easy, but that means you're relying on the stupidity of your audience (i.e. not noticing the changes) this is a very bad thing to do, as you treat your audience like idiots.
I don't think I need advice on catering to people. You forget that not everyone is dazzlingly bright, indeed the majority are going to be average, and a publisher is sure as hell not going to want something that presumes they are all geniuses. Hard science fiction is far, far less popular than conventional fantasy for this very reason, but I hardly think it necessary I need argue this statement. Anyway, I was referring to the building blocks of storytelling. After you've studied it awhile you realise just how simple the basic creation process really is. And, like I said, it's up to the creator to decide how complicated things will get. Reading some of the classic novelettes and shorts by the likes of Asimov and Heinlein will show you just how perceived simplicity can give the illusion of something terribly complicated.
This is because the author has gone and done all the hard thinking before they started writing, even if it wouldn't feature directly in the story. Orson Scott Card says again and again that any author that hasn't set themselves down and given much thought to the world creation process for Sci-Fi or Fantasy before they started writing their story will show through as a cheater, because readers are far from stupid, and I wholeheartedly agree. Before I write a word of prose I spend quite a while considering important facts, but when I go and write my story, I don't make a big deal over them, I don't go and yell in the faces of my readers that I've spent time working around the impossibility of FTL travel, because, for one, I'd look entirely self-absorbed (and foolish as many will have come up with far better ideas to work around it than mine), and secondly, because they will be able to tell, subconsciously, that the work has been done. They will be able to trust what I write without the reason being forced down their throats.
This is why I believe they'll make it AU instead of a simple remake, they can change far more that way and make a good flowing and interesting story that doesn't leave you with question marks that are only answered if you go watch the original, which means going through the same story again, only this time at a dreadfully slow pace. The first season of Nanoha can be quite off-putting for non-magical girl fans due to its low speed and overly magical girlness.
You cannot expect a wholesome, all loose ends tied up two hour production. Relying on previous material that the studio can at least cite as reason for perceived plot holes is a commonly exploited strategy. This is why I am always wary of films born from television.
Not at all. Ami is only a support character that gets to see little of Nanoha and Fate's time together. Besides, it's only a question. I think you are reading too deeply here. People ask me how I am "progressing" with girls they probably know I'm not interested in (or they wrongly think I am). Not everything people say is serious, and people do not know everything.
I disagree harshly on this one, especially concidering Ami was one of the core people responsible for monitoring Nanoha and Fate while on earth. Anyway, regardless of our interpretations, making this movie romance-centered would not solve anything. Currently we have people who support NanoFate bringing in the arguments why it does, and people who don't support NanoFate bringing in arguments why its not. If the movie was romance centered and had an official NanoFate, people will do the exact same thing we are doing right now. The people who support NanoFate show the movie as proof, the people who don't support NanoFate say its AU, and show all further canon evidence on why its AU.
What would it solve? In the end, nothing.
I don't think I need advice on catering to people. You forget that not everyone is dazzlingly bright, indeed the majority are going to be average, and a publisher is sure as hell not going to want something that presumes they are all geniuses. Hard science fiction is far, far less popular than conventional fantasy for this very reason, but I hardly think it necessary I need argue this statement. Anyway, I was referring to the building blocks of storytelling. After you've studied it awhile you realise just how simple the basic creation process really is. And, like I said, it's up to the creator to decide how complicated things will get. Reading some of the classic novelettes and shorts by the likes of Asimov and Heinlein will show you just how perceived simplicity can give the illusion of something terribly complicated.
This is because the author has gone and done all the hard thinking before they started writing, even if it wouldn't feature directly in the story. Orson Scott Card says again and again that any author that hasn't set themselves down and given much thought to the world creation process for Sci-Fi or Fantasy before they started writing their story will show through as a cheater, because readers are far from stupid, and I wholeheartedly agree. Before I write a word of prose I spend quite a while considering important facts, but when I go and write my story, I don't make a big deal over them, I don't go and yell in the faces of my readers that I've spent time working around the impossibility of FTL travel, because, for one, I'd look entirely self-absorbed (and foolish as many will have come up with far better ideas to work around it than mine), and secondly, because they will be able to tell, subconsciously, that the work has been done. They will be able to trust what I write without the reason being forced down their throats.
So, having said that, why is the contradiction of other material seemingly not an issue for you? I've seen the bad retcons, the 'no that never really happened, here's what really happened' ones. They're usually horrible, and make you feel like you're being treated like an idiot. Making NanoFate official from the get-go is complicated, because there is already existing material in the sequels that suggests otherwise. Simply adding a few scenes and an 'I love you' may serve as a nice ship-tease for the NanoFate fans, but like I said before, when compared to the other canon, it'd definetely be AU (which really, was my point from the start: This movie is most likely going to be AU).
You cannot expect a wholesome, all loose ends tied up two hour production. Relying on previous material that the studio can at least cite as reason for perceived plot holes is a commonly exploited strategy. This is why I am always wary of films born from television.
No I don't, which is why I expect this movie to go AU. No loose ends, but a good flowing storyline.
To bring the argument full circle: I believe this story is not going to be a mere re-telling, but an AU project. Fans will be treated to gracious scenes, and perhaps even an 'I love you' from their favourite mages, but its not going to replace what we've seen before.
So, having said that, why is the contradiction of other material seemingly not an issue for you? I've seen the bad retcons, the 'no that never really happened, here's what really happened' ones. They're usually horrible, and make you feel like you're being treated like an idiot.
Because I understand that MGLN isn't the work of only one person anymore.
Making NanoFate official from the get-go is complicated, because there is already existing material in the sequels that proves otherwise. Simply adding a few scenes and an 'I love you' may serve as a nice ship-tease for the NanoFate fans, but like I said before, when compared to the other canon, it'd definetely be AU (which really, was my point from the start: This movie is most likely going to be AU).
I detect some needless bitterness here, so I'm going to cease this argument with a few final words: nothing has been "proven".
To bring the argument full circle: I believe this story is not going to be a mere re-telling, but an AU project. Fans will be treated to gracious scenes, and perhaps even an 'I love you' from their favourite mages, but its not going to replace what we've seen before.
And you can read my response to that in the second post I made in this thread. Only time will tell who is right.
Allquall
2008-07-29, 10:03
Ummmm....Can It Be Let's-Talk-About-Bardiche's-Kickass-Makeover-Time now? That is a fine device to take a few swipes at Nanoha's neck. Knowing that no one dies in Nanoha, I'm hoping that they at least show blood. Elfen Lied amounts of blood.
Comartemis
2008-07-29, 10:10
*Comar sweatdrops at Kero and Preston*
Personally I hope it is an AU, and I don't care if the die-hard Yuuno fans regard it as such when arguing against NanoFate; the point is it exists and it's an official--if not the official--continuity instead of something fan-made.
Knowing that no one dies in Nanoha, I'm hoping that they at least show blood. Elfen Lied amounts of blood.
...you go ahead and wait for that.
Allquall
2008-07-29, 10:14
...you go ahead and wait for that.
Just trying to break the tension in here. It's like watching a Detroit-Colorado hockey game. Whew.
Just trying to break the tension in here. It's like watching a Detroit-Colorado hockey game. Whew.
Yeah. I'm done. I think. As for blood, mm, I'd go with that. Elfen Lied was good.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOO-- Oops. :uhoh:
But even StrikerS needs to be a bit more gritty. :p
Comartemis
2008-07-29, 10:24
*Comar facepalms at the 40Kism*
Yep, consider the tension completely destroyed.
I detect some needless bitterness here, so I'm going to cease this argument with a few final words: nothing has been "proven".
Hmm? Oh no, there's no bitterness on this side. I'm neutral when it comes to pairings, I like Nanovita, but I'm happy no matter who she ends up with. :)
And you can read my response to that in the second post I made in this thread. Only time will tell who is right.
That it will. Well, this was fun while it lasted. :D
Just trying to break the tension in here. It's like watching a Detroit-Colorado hockey game. Whew.
Nya? We were just having a fun debate. Or at least I was. :heh:
Comartemis
2008-07-29, 10:27
Didn't seem all that fun from this angle; seemed kinda like a debate only a few precarious steps away from a full-blown arguement/potential flamefest. Maybe it had something to do with NanoFate getting worked into the discussion... :heh:
Nanoha sure looks serious-looking, kind of tomboyish too with her new hair. In fact, I wonder if Nanoha will keep her kind "befriending" personaility or replace it with a "mean" "serious-business" "lets be friends but lets do some serious business first" personality. Does anyone sort of agree? Or am I just looking at Nanoha at the wrong angle
We'll see how the movie goes.
Originally Posted by AtomicoX View Post
I have a mental of Bardiche, being a man in a black suit looking incredibly cool...if given a female VA that changes...I don't want that to change !
But couldn't a girl in a black suit look cooler?
For me, yes, but personally I'm not thinking of the same image as AtomicoX.
Bardiche, well, it's just a talking device to me, only thing I can picture him being is him(Bardiche).
Anyway, I liked his voice, I like the device, female voice = Completely changing the character. Well, even though Bardiche isn't really a "major character", turning him female is completely changing him.
I'm too used to Bardiche, and like others, I like his "character" and his voice so. changing him is something I don't like.
i don't know why everyone is so mad about the loli's turning into women.
Well, one thing I don't like is Nanoha in StrikerS. I really liked her when she was just an innocent befriendy girl but in StrikerS, she's kind of less befriendy(she totally did not befriend or try to befriend the numbers, which I would have liked).
Speaking of numbers, http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.global/icons/icon13.gif to killing off Due, poor Due.
Hayate deserves more.
Agreed.
No, I am very far from being a man-hater. I guess I hate what the creators did to him. The first shot that introduces us to the character (and to the series) in S1 is him failing to seal a jewel seed with the same ID that Nanoha handles easily.
Personally, I like Yuuno(especially the relation with Nanoha). Especially the scene when Yuuno transform into a human for the first time, Nanoha's reaction = Win.
The Nanoha and Yuuno friend relationship was nice.
Didn't seem all that fun from this angle; seemed kinda like a debate only a few precarious steps away from a full-blown arguement/potential flamefest.
You should know me better by now Comar, :p when was the last time you saw me flame someone?
Maybe it had something to do with NanoFate getting worked into the discussion... :heh:
Probably, things always get a little less objective when opinions enter the fray, and since NanoFate is all about opinions, it quickly became a battle of subjectivity and opinions. :eyespin:
Comartemis
2008-07-29, 10:33
Personally, I like Yuuno(especially the relation with Nanoha). Especially the scene when Yuuno transform into a human for the first time, Nanoha's reaction = Win.
The Nanoha and Yuuno friend relationship was nice.I am neutral on the subject of Yuuno. On the one hand, he's an obstacle to NanoFate and OBSTACLES ARE FOR SMASHING! :frustrated: On the other hand he's a fairly cool mage in his own right; he needs a Crowning Moment of Awesome or two to remind us all that he's an Ace in his own right, able to stand on level ground with the Wolkenritter and Nanoha herself... even if he's not doing much attacking while he's standing on said ground. :heh:
It was interesting if not amusing. I am by nature argumentative, and I haven't gone off on such a relieving tangent for a good long while. Was fun. But I'm just going to stop now, as things are on danger of becoming too defensive and too opinionated. Neither did I want this to break out from just my and Keroko's discussion.
And, also...
I would prefer to see the guy get trodden on in his animal form. Although, changing the gender of a device would be more easily slipped by viewers than a character that has human form. But where would the motive be?
I earned "You are a lie as an author." neutral reputation on this post and I don't understand. Enlighten me? Have I hurt someone's feelings? Aw, look, I don't dislike Yunno that much, really. He's just a guy I love to hate :p And I never was keen on ferrets. Got "attacked" by one as a child.
From what I see (and the amount of screentime available), Alisa and Suzuka might be the first to take a hit, then followed by the Takamachi family being reduced in role, or all of them just reduced to mere cameos...
*shudders at the thought of 2006 CLANNAD*
But for 1st season, Yuuno is definitely a major player; if they want to save time further, they'd start in the thick of it, then flashback some time. If Nanoha starts with RH, then Yuuno disappears, but if Yuuno is the spark that directs Nanoha as always, then he will be there. At least for 1 movie.
It was interesting if not amusing. I am by nature argumentative, and I haven't gone off on such a relieving tangent for a good long while. Was fun. But I'm just going to stop now, as things are on danger of becoming too defensive and too opinionated. Neither did I want this to break out from just my and Keroko's discussion.
It was a good place to stop it.
From what I see (and the amount of screentime available), Alisa and Suzuka might be the first to take a hit, then followed by the Takamachi family being reduced in role, or all of them just reduced to mere cameos...
*shudders at the thought of 2006 CLANNAD*
But for 1st season, Yuuno is definitely a major player; if they want to save time further, they'd start in the thick of it, then flashback some time. If Nanoha starts with RH, then Yuuno disappears, but if Yuuno is the spark that directs Nanoha as always, then he will be there. At least for 1 movie.
I think Arisa and Suzuka are more important characters then Nanoha's familly, which were mostly just winks to the original Triangle Hearts anyway. I'd expect her familly to have only brief cameos and appearances, or rather, less apearance then Arisa and Suzuka's appearances.
Advent000
2008-07-29, 10:47
Ummmm....Can It Be Let's-Talk-About-Bardiche's-Kickass-Makeover-Time now? That is a fine device to take a few swipes at Nanoha's neck. Knowing that no one dies in Nanoha, I'm hoping that they at least show blood. Elfen Lied amounts of blood.
Bardiche certainly looks more deadly now, I think its an improvement.
I think Arisa and Suzuka are more important characters then Nanoha's familly, which were mostly just winks to the original Triangle Hearts anyway. I'd expect her familly to have only brief cameos and appearances, or rather, less apearance then Arisa and Suzuka's appearances.I forgot about Arisa's role in caring for Arf. ><
But I wonder... Would they be daring enough to edit almost everyone out of the story, and leave only say Chrono, Lindy, Amy, Nanoha, Fate, Arf and Precia? Something tells me this is remarkably possible, as I think there just aren't enough vocal support for Arisa and Suzuka... :p
Bardiche certainly looks more deadly now, I think its an improvement.It looks... bulkier, but it doesn't impress me like the Endless Waltz customs of the AC Gundams did. :p
I forgot about Arisa's role in caring for Arf. ><
But I wonder... Would they be daring enough to edit almost everyone out of the story, and leave only say Chrono, Lindy, Amy, Nanoha, Fate, Arf and Precia? Something tells me this is remarkably possible, as I think there just aren't enough vocal support for Arisa and Suzuka... :p
If the movie was 2 hours, I think they could keep everyone in(well, Nanoha's family might need some reduction). But they'd have to severely reduce(or speed up) the jewel seeds part, and definitely cut out the random monsters.
It depends on how many fight scenes they want to have in the movie. Even if they had 50 minutes worth of fight scenes, that'd leave 40 minutes(90 minute movie) or 70 minutes(for 2 hour movie) for dialogue.
For dialogue, everything said has to be important.
No saying things like: "Hello", or "Hi Nanoha", or "What's that", "What did you eat for lunch?", etc, everything has to be important(well, actually, just keep non-important stuff to minimum).
No stalling or "filler scenes". Instead of a 2 minute scene where you see Nanoha(and her classmates) in school, skip that or cut it down to 5 seconds.
Instead of taking 5 minutes for Nanoha and Yuuno to figure out how to transform, just a minute.
Well, actually, they don't have to rush it that much but if they speed up or reduce the Jewel seed parts, cut out the monsters entirely, and have little filler dialogue(not as extreme as I mentioned above) and "stalling" scenes, they could do it.
Advent000
2008-07-29, 11:22
I forgot about Arisa's role in caring for Arf. ><
It looks... bulkier, but it doesn't impress me like the Endless Waltz customs of the AC Gundams did. :p
I prefer the size of the original blade over the new version, but I prefer the new versions shape.
Joining in a little late, but recap movies seem to be slightly AU and focus on what most people want.
My two cents: I'm a little worried Yuuno will get shafted. We have a few options
1.) Ferret form = friend
2.) human form= love interest.
Because, like most movies, they re-tell things and change things to make people want to watch it. Fate is an enemy so if Yuuno is a boy, then I think there will be a "girl meets boy, girl falls in love after action movie".
3.) Fate= love interest. Nanoha would have to have a crush at first sight I think, and it would be a "I saved your life" thing like the first season. But since this is before A's, where they were really friends, I can't really see this happening.
But in all, I'm concerned about Yuuno. Everyone knows I'm a Yuunoha supporter, but I don't really want to see them together. Nor do I wanna see Fate and Nanoha together in the movie.
Second movie, I do, though. That will be enough time to build a relationship.
I really hope they don't involve romance in the first movie, or one character is gonna get shafted, be it Fate or Yuuno. I am leaning toward wanting Yuuno as a ferret and at the end, show him as a boy. That would be okay :3
*Watches on while hugging Vivio* Fate-fans are weird people.
By the looks of it, Nanoha's familly and Arisa and Suzuka are going to get the brunt of the ommiting, being that they weren't really important to the plot (Arisa discovering Arf is easy to work around). What is going to be really hard to properly display somewhat realistically is Nanoha's leaps in strength. In the series, they could use the "X-amount of time has passed between episodes" but timeskips in movies often feel weird. The Jewel Seed hunt also needs to be shortened immensely, probably catching all they need in a few flashes or the like.
However, while this does serve to shorten the anime, it still hasn't fixed the problem that Nanoha feels far more like a Magical Girl anime then the other seasons. Changes in plot that could fix this would be Chrono ariving sooner, or even Yuuno being send as a front officer of the TSAB himself, send to recruit people (random ideas, don't take them too seriously).
Oh wow, right, there's characters named Arisa and Suzuka. They got completely ommited from StrikerS....But there really should be a movie on the gap between A's and StrikerS, like exploring the missions that they did, and like the mission that Nanoha got uhh.....forgot the word...I'll just say bloodied.
Nightengale
2008-07-29, 13:21
On the whole 'relationship' angle thing on the true history or this eventual parallel history thing... true, the indications might lead to something different depending on the circumstances, but really, for all that it matters, one sign or another, it's take believe that the canon history has employed the middle ground stature above anything else. Say what you want about the animation or the fanservice, but that's the same as analyzing Nanoha's more awkward blushing body language with Yuuno or ignoring the backstory tidbits behind some of the more awkward things in animation.
Besides, IF we want to be wholly technical about the alternate timelines and all that, (( just as practiced at Outer Cadia on a daily cracky basis )), you might as well argue the possibility of Chrono as well, since well.... the alternate timeline where Fate didn't exist was him and Nanoha.
Point to point though... we're reading too much into this at this moment. What exactly does a parallel universe relate in Tsudzuki's words here, and how much different is this going to be for one. It is possible that in light of the shipping wars, it IS possible that this new medium can be used to highlight or purposely centralize something, be it NF or NY or whatever, as in something they're not intending to show in the true canon. However, a movie just for that does sound a little ridiculous, even if for NF's sake.
To be fair though, assuming this is true, I don't see why there is any need for arguments. I mean, it's kinda saying that 'everybody wins' on one universe or another. I mean... there's a reason there's alternate universes in FF and OC where things are... completely ridiculous, Hayuuno, Fatuuno or whatever. >.>
Above everything else, there is only 2 things I really ask out of this movie. Firstly, a well-paced and developed movie, and 2ndly, Nanoha's 'first true flight.' I always felt kinda cheated out that Nanoha's current 'true love' was one thing that never got an emotional expansion to it, and only explained via "Yuuno taught her how to fly, and Yuuno flashbacked once."
Nighty is still angry that SSX is not the movie. :(
btw... t-3 days to... tackling my HUEG backlog over at OC -_-
Oh wow, right, there's characters named Arisa and Suzuka. They got completely ommited from StrikerS....But there really should be a movie on the gap between A's and StrikerS, like exploring the missions that they did, and like the mission that Nanoha got uhh.....forgot the word...I'll just say bloodied.
As i said earlier i would like to see a movie about what happened between A's and StrikerS, but i can understand the problem in that, since everyone goes different way there. Would be kinda hard to show what happened. The time line between A's and StrikerS is best covered in an OVA i think.
Kikaifan
2008-07-29, 13:40
So, having said that, why is the contradiction of other material seemingly not an issue for you? I've seen the bad retcons, the 'no that never really happened, here's what really happened' ones. They're usually horrible, and make you feel like you're being treated like an idiot. Making NanoFate official from the get-go is complicated, because there is already existing material in the sequels that proves otherwise. Simply adding a few scenes and an 'I love you' may serve as a nice ship-tease for the NanoFate fans, but like I said before, when compared to the other canon, it'd definetely be AU (which really, was my point from the start: This movie is most likely going to be AU).
So what, StrikerS and A's don't take place in the same universe because they retconned the knights' power levels?
I'd vastly prefer to accept a little ambiguity or even be forced to ignore a few outright contradictions than hack the series apart in the name of eliminating them.
The limiters were one of StrikerS faults, yes. Mostly because they had potential for plot, but were used in flimsy ways (seriously, you can edit out every time limiters are mentioned and nobody would even know the cast is limited at all). However, the difference between the limiters and the 'this-never-happened' retcon is that the later generally isn't explained. Limiters had a functional explanation, and didn't change anything regarding the storylines that came before it.
Nightengale
2008-07-29, 13:53
Problem with the limiters was how vague it was presented, making it hard to tell when they were released and when they were not. Though common sense should allow you to see between the lines... but that alone makes it the most useless plot device within StrikerS.
So what, StrikerS and A's don't take place in the same universe because they retconned the knights' power levels?
I'd vastly prefer to accept a little ambiguity or even be forced to ignore a few outright contradictions than hack the series apart in the name of eliminating them.
What retcon? Speaking from the manga where it was mentioned they held back or limiters?
Deathkillz
2008-07-29, 14:09
I really hope they don't involve romance in the first movie, or one character is gonna get shafted, be it Fate or Yuuno. I am leaning toward wanting Yuuno as a ferret and at the end, show him as a boy. That would be okay :3
Second the motion...or something like that...
Seriously though, I don't get how relationships will be playing a main part into this in the first place...all the "discussions" so far have flown over my head as some "dream" various fanboys want. There is no telling that the movie will even focus much on the romance aspect...which isn't even the main attaction for the series (though an underlying one :rolleyes:). I don't think that this remake will do much for the romance part unfortunately...in fact I don't even know the point of this besides milking, which is something I don't mind one bit before someone gets on my case :p
But it would be a surprise to see what aspects of the original stuff they are going to change...though one thing I won't want changing is any of the characters (something what Satashi said about "if Yuuno is a boy" seems to imply that he will be genderbending...die you rumors!).
Kikaifan
2008-07-29, 15:00
What retcon? Speaking from the manga where it was mentioned they held back or limiters?
In the manga there's a pretty vague reference to the knights holding back, but then in one of the sound stages Signum specifically says that Fate can't properly be considered her rival because of the difference in their ability, and Fate makes that comment that she'll stop addressing Signum so formally when she can fight evenly with her, which Signum says is never going to happen (which I'd took as teasing, but it still gives the impression they both acknowledge a large gap).
I think it's pretty obvious that this was done to keep the Wolkenritter relevant in StrikerS- with their centuries of experience it'd be odd for them to improve as quickly as the novice Aces, so they need a head start to end up even.
Anyway, I think the retcon works pretty well with most of A's, but there's a definite contradiction in episode 7 when Signum's internal monologue right before her big fight with Fate gets interrupted reveals that she truly feels pressed, which flies in the face of the explanation given in the Sound Stages.
I don't think there will be any romance in this movie either, if anything its going to be the same as the series, a few suggestive scenes and such. I know this goes against my earlier statement, but during my discussion with Preston I realized that if they wanted romance, the first movie is the wrong place to do it.
In the manga there's a pretty vague reference to the knights holding back, but then in one of the sound stages Signum specifically says that Fate can't properly be considered her rival because of the difference in their ability, and Fate makes that comment that she'll stop addressing Signum so formally when she can fight evenly with her, which Signum says is never going to happen (which I'd took as teasing, but it still gives the impression they both acknowledge a large gap).
I think it's pretty obvious that this was done to keep the Wolkenritter relevant in StrikerS- with their centuries of experience it'd be odd for them to improve as quickly as the novice Aces, so they need a head start to end up even.
Anyway, I think the retcon works pretty well with most of A's, but there's a definite contradiction in episode 7 when Signum's internal monologue right before her big fight with Fate gets interrupted reveals that she truly feels pressed, which flies in the face of the explanation given in the Sound Stages.
Hmm, actually Signum says that 'if she doesn't finish it fast, she'll be in trouble' which makes sense, if she is holding back while Fate is going all-out, then Signum would eventually get in trouble.
Yurichan
2008-07-29, 15:16
How I see it.
Let me first say. That a movie like this, is nothing new. It has been done tons of times before. With good and bad results.
I think this is just a way of giving the fans more to look forward to. While in the meantime being busy with rethinking and making a 4th season. And I agree with the filling a gap part. It is definately too fil in a gap. Or at least show more hidden/possibile scenes that occured during that time. Even though they use the words of "not a true universe". Though there are other possibilities but these two are the most likely.
However since it's only around 2hours they have to pack it fast.
First of all. It's going to be based around the relationship of Nanoha and Fate. This will not be about fighting, alicia, suzuka, ferretboy, whatever. No it will be Nanoha and Fate centered. That's for sure. No they are not going to give Yuuno anymore change.
http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/image/nanoha/nanoha_movie_announcment_01.jpg
Why for the simple reason that Nanoha and Fate are a couple. They are pictured together from season 1 and even in the SS there is clear signs of this. Yes it's true(for all you Yuuno fans). 7 Arcs has made the seasons in such a way to grow closer to Nanoha and Fate and match them together. The didn't do this by mistake or anything. In fact no the realised that Nanoha and Fate where populair, selling good and are just a great couple. With Fate-Mama in StrikerS they absolutely triggered the lez-flag. And I am happy they aren't affraid to show/hint on lesbian relationship in an anime. I won't go into detail with the seiyuu but like Preston said both Seiyuus have now in one way or another confirmed NxF are a couple. And I agreed with alot of posts from Keroko as well.
So without any doubt the movie is an (alternate universe) of season 1. So it doesn't belong to the time lime. That's a little bit what is saddening me. I would have loved it to be genuine in a way. But it seems the wanted to upgrade the battle effects and devices as well, while they where going to show hidden scenes anyway.
Anyway this movie is going to be more Nanoha and Fate fluff. And I think in the end there may be a major climax in it. They might end in holding hands walking away(oh wait they allready did that :D). Now we (as Yuri fans) all would like to know are they going to kiss in the end. You know the bridge scene and all(most probably it will happen there). I think the chance is high for this. Even considering there a populair yuri vid on nico(no not youtube). And considering they upped the Yuri scenes with every season.
Allquall
2008-07-29, 15:49
How I see it.
Let me first say. That a movie like this, is nothing new. It has been done tons of times before. With good and bad results.
I think this is just a way of giving the fans more to look forward to. While in the meantime being busy with rethinking and making a 4th season. And I agree with the filling a gap part. It is definately too fil in a gap. Or at least show more hidden/possibile scenes that occured during that time. Even though they use the words of "not a true universe". Though there are other possibilities but these two are the most likely.
However since it's only around 2hours they have to pack it fast.
First of all. It's going to be based around the relationship of Nanoha and Fate. This will not be about fighting, alicia, suzuka, ferretboy, whatever. No it will be Nanoha and Fate centered. That's for sure. No they are not going to give Yuuno anymore change.
http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/image/nanoha/nanoha_movie_announcment_01.jpg
Why for the simple reason that Nanoha and Fate are a couple. They are pictured together from season 1 and even in the SS there is clear signs of this. Yes it's true(for all you Yuuno fans). 7 Arcs has made the seasons in such a way to grow closer to Nanoha and Fate and match them together. The didn't do this by mistake or anything. In fact no the realised that Nanoha and Fate where populair, selling good and are just a great couple. With Fate-Mama in StrikerS they absolutely triggered the lez-flag. And I am happy they aren't affraid to show/hint on lesbian relationship in an anime. I won't go into detail with the seiyuu but like Preston said both Seiyuus have now in one way or another confirmed NxF are a couple. And I agreed with alot of posts from Keroko as well.
So without any doubt the movie is an (alternate universe) of season 1. So it doesn't belong to the time lime. That's a little bit what is saddening me. I would have loved it to be genuine in a way. But it seems the wanted to upgrade the battle effects and devices as well, while they where going to show hidden scenes anyway.
Anyway this movie is going to be more Nanoha and Fate fluff. And I think in the end there may be a major climax in it. They might end in holding hands walking away(oh wait they allready did that :D). Now we (as Yuri fans) all would like to know are they going to kiss in the end. You know the bridge scene and all(most probably it will happen there). I think the chance is high for this. Even considering there a populair yuri vid on nico(no not youtube). And considering they upped the Yuri scenes with every season.
As much as it pains me to say this: I hope not, and I'm as pro-yuri as you can get and a Nanofate fan. I'm not alone in this, but I got sucked into Nanoha by a fast-paced story and the Pink Doom Beams of Befriending. The Yuri subtext was a bonus. Big one, yes, yet still a bonus. I would be very disappointed if the movie was a relationship movie in the same way I would be disappointed if the TTGL movie focused on Nina and Simon.
MGLN is an action show first and delicious subtext second. In the words of my Nanoha pusher, the show is "Sailor Moon done right."
How I see it.
Let me first say. That a movie like this, is nothing new. It has been done tons of times before. With good and bad results.
I think this is just a way of giving the fans more to look forward to. While in the meantime being busy with rethinking and making a 4th season. And I agree with the filling a gap part. It is definately too fil in a gap. Or at least show more hidden/possibile scenes that occured during that time. Even though they use the words of "not a true universe". Though there are other possibilities but these two are the most likely.
However since it's only around 2hours they have to pack it fast.
First of all. It's going to be based around the relationship of Nanoha and Fate. This will not be about fighting, alicia, suzuka, ferretboy, whatever. No it will be Nanoha and Fate centered. That's for sure. No they are not going to give Yuuno anymore change.
http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/image/nanoha/nanoha_movie_announcment_01.jpg
Why for the simple reason that Nanoha and Fate are a couple. They are pictured together from season 1 and even in the SS there is clear signs of this. Yes it's true(for all you Yuuno fans). 7 Arcs has made the seasons in such a way to grow closer to Nanoha and Fate and match them together. The didn't do this by mistake or anything. In fact no the realised that Nanoha and Fate where populair, selling good and are just a great couple. With Fate-Mama in StrikerS they absolutely triggered the lez-flag. And I am happy they aren't affraid to show/hint on lesbian relationship in an anime. I won't go into detail with the seiyuu but like Preston said both Seiyuus have now in one way or another confirmed NxF are a couple. And I agreed with alot of posts from Keroko as well.
So without any doubt the movie is an (alternate universe) of season 1. So it doesn't belong to the time lime. That's a little bit what is saddening me. I would have loved it to be genuine in a way. But it seems the wanted to upgrade the battle effects and devices as well, while they where going to show hidden scenes anyway.
Anyway this movie is going to be more Nanoha and Fate fluff. And I think in the end there may be a major climax in it. They might end in holding hands walking away(oh wait they allready did that :D). Now we (as Yuri fans) all would like to know are they going to kiss in the end. You know the bridge scene and all(most probably it will happen there). I think the chance is high for this. Even considering there a populair yuri vid on nico(no not youtube). And considering they upped the Yuri scenes with every season.
You know, there's some clear contradiction in saying that the movie will be Nanoha and Fate centric and not about fighting :p. Their relationship during the majority of the first season is purely fighting. Unless they completely rewrite the story it's basically impossible to avoid having the two blow the crap out of each other.
I think it’s best to keep what you want separate from what you expect. Despite however Deathkillz may envisage previous posts, I and Keroko managed that for the most part. And also go easy on the derogatory labeling, it’ll only lead things downhill.
This post and indeed this news have made me feel a little hollow. People all have desires, and when you place those with conflicting wants within a forum things inevitably get ugly. I preferred it when everyone kept their darker opinions largely to themselves and enjoyed the FF/OC threads, for what they were.
I’ve gone ahead and had a rant. I won’t deny it. I came here for the yuri, and I’ll fight tooth and nail to preserve my visions and perceptions. We all would protect our thoughts, for we are all human. Just, please, take things easy.
Yurichan
2008-07-30, 00:28
As much as it pains me to say this: I hope not, and I'm as pro-yuri as you can get and a Nanofate fan. I'm not alone in this, but I got sucked into Nanoha by a fast-paced story and the Pink Doom Beams of Befriending. The Yuri subtext was a bonus. Big one, yes, yet still a bonus. I would be very disappointed if the movie was a relationship movie in the same way I would be disappointed if the TTGL movie focused on Nina and Simon.
MGLN is an action show first and delicious subtext second. In the words of my Nanoha pusher, the show is "Sailor Moon done right."
I am not saying there won't be any action at all. Or at least that wasn't my implication. It's impossible to overlook that. Sure there will be beter special effects. But the attention won't be on fighting. There is allready enough fighting in all the 3 seasons for all the gundam mecha fans. Besides there is the new device change overs for semi mecha/action fans like you.
Nanoha and Fate are simply the only two major characters in that season and besides they are couple. It will be Nanoha who saves Fate after SLBing her and the bridge scene. And possibly more scenes. I wonder how they will picture Nanoha's first love when she meets Fate. I am sure that will be ehanced too. In other words the most important scenes of that season.The reason the devices have changed seems to be, to keeping it interesting.
You know, there's some clear contradiction in saying that the movie will be Nanoha and Fate centric and not about fighting :p. Their relationship during the majority of the first season is purely fighting. Unless they completely rewrite the story it's basically impossible to avoid having the two blow the crap out of each other.
What's the point in making an remake of the first season only because of the fighting?? To me that was allready great enough in the current season. So now there are going to be bigger explosions?, other moves? Nanoha is not a dragonball.
You are projecting way too much your believes, you may be disapointed.
http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/095/95559/
News from Dengeki but well, can regroup
If we want to know what the movie is going to be about, we have to concider why so many peope love the Nanoha series. Romance? Girls in cute outfits? No, what people love about Nanoha is a bit more simple then that. Remember what the biggest complaint about StrikerS was? Sure, now we know that the plot is not the greatest, and focus is not soley former main characters, but even long before we knew the plot was rickety, and long before we realized that the focus would be divided between the new aditions, the biggest complaints was, plain and simply, the lack of mage battles. Oh sure, the drones were great to allow our heroines to show off their abillities, but the fights were... apathetic. They lacked the tension, the excitement, the emotion of the battles in the former seasons.
What many people love about Nanoha is the awesome mage battles. The romance and girls in cute outfits are a nice bonus.
Realizing this, its obvious what is going to be central in the movie.
http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/095/95559/Animation: 7Arcs
There you go I.G rumor.
Well, I don't even know how such a rumor has ever started to begin with, since if that was really the case, I'm sure 2ch threads would mention about that once or twice.
The article also says that the movie will NOT use any pre-produced animation scenes from TV 1st and will draw everything from scratch.
I'm still waiting for Megami to hit my town, which should be tomorrow, to start on Tsuduki's interviews.
However, several kind souls put up summeries on 2ch and it's something like;
Battle and action scenes are changed significantly from TV; Reason and outcome of fights will be the same, but place and how they fight will be quite different.
From the stage of writing base scenario, he's focusing on speedy-and-exciting visuals expected for a movie; especially he wants to show what a "Fight of aerial mages" should be, opposed to "Stop in mid-air, fire, fire back, repeat" of TV series.
They won't go anymore deeper about TSAB than it was in TV 1st. Since 1st is the story about Nanoha and Fate's friendship, movie will focus more on this aspect.
After going through 3 seasons, background settings have grown far larger. Their new costumes are designed with these settings up to StS in mind.
Feel free to believe these or not, for I don't have actual book myself yet.
At least these will be some cookies for you, for sure ;)
The second point about aerial fights has me grinning from ear to ear. Concidering Nanoha is not exactly a close ranged mage, that means lots of awesome material for me to work with. :D
Certainly has MACROSS plastered all over it too. :D:D:D
Aaron008R
2008-07-30, 06:16
Animation: 7Arcs
There you go I.G rumor.
Well, I don't even know how such a rumor has ever started to begin with, since if that was really the case, I'm sure 2ch threads would mention about that once or twice.
The article also says that the movie will NOT use any pre-produced animation scenes from TV 1st and will draw everything from scratch.
I'm still waiting for Megami to hit my town, which should be tomorrow, to start on Tsuduki's interviews.
However, several kind souls put up summeries on 2ch and it's something like;
Battle and action scenes are changed significantly from TV; Reason and outcome of fights will be the same, but place and how they fight will be quite different.
From the stage of writing base scenario, he's focusing on speedy-and-exciting visuals expected for a movie; especially he wants to show what a "Fight of aerial mages" should be, opposed to "Stop in mid-air, fire, fire back, repeat" of TV series.
They won't go anymore deeper about TSAB than it was in TV 1st. Since 1st is the story about Nanoha and Fate's friendship, movie will focus more on this aspect.
After going through 3 seasons, background settings have grown far larger. Their new costumes are designed with these settings up to StS in mind.
Feel free to believe these or not, for I don't have actual book myself yet.
At least these will be some cookies for you, for sure ;)
Ahh... Music to my ears!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D
This is so gonna be some AWESOME reference materials for future mage battles in OCT and FFT alike!!!:D:D:D
If this goes well, I might actually restructure my entire combat scenarios both written and not!:D:D:D
Thanks for the infos Thisguy, that sound promising.
Animation: 7Arcs
There you go I.G rumor.
Well, I don't even know how such a rumor has ever started to begin with, since if that was really the case, I'm sure 2ch threads would mention about that once or twice.
The article also says that the movie will NOT use any pre-produced animation scenes from TV 1st and will draw everything from scratch.
I'm still waiting for Megami to hit my town, which should be tomorrow, to start on Tsuduki's interviews.
However, several kind souls put up summeries on 2ch and it's something like;
Battle and action scenes are changed significantly from TV; Reason and outcome of fights will be the same, but place and how they fight will be quite different.
From the stage of writing base scenario, he's focusing on speedy-and-exciting visuals expected for a movie; especially he wants to show what a "Fight of aerial mages" should be, opposed to "Stop in mid-air, fire, fire back, repeat" of TV series.
They won't go anymore deeper about TSAB than it was in TV 1st. Since 1st is the story about Nanoha and Fate's friendship, movie will focus more on this aspect.
After going through 3 seasons, background settings have grown far larger. Their new costumes are designed with these settings up to StS in mind.
Feel free to believe these or not, for I don't have actual book myself yet.
At least these will be some cookies for you, for sure ;)
Red: Yes Sir! Awsome air battles! That would rule!
Blue: Eh? Well it's nice and all that they want to make it look more... StSish. But why? Nanoha has absolutly no Idea about TSAB back when she created her BJ. :heh:
They probably wanted a less magical girlish season 1 for people to remember, more a... Nanoha one.
Deathkillz
2008-07-30, 07:04
I’ve gone ahead and had a rant. I won’t deny it. I came here for the yuri, and I’ll fight tooth and nail to preserve my visions and perceptions. We all would protect our thoughts, for we are all human. Just, please, take things easy.
I admit that I haven't read all of the posts so pardon me if I was being too quick to dismiss but I think there should be a line between what you "hope for" and what you "convince youself of" will/might happen. But like I said it was tl;dr for me so I'm not entirely sure which one you guys fall into.
Animation: 7Arcs
There you go I.G rumor.
Well, I don't even know how such a rumor has ever started to begin with, since if that was really the case, I'm sure 2ch threads would mention about that once or twice.
The article also says that the movie will NOT use any pre-produced animation scenes from TV 1st and will draw everything from scratch.
I'm still waiting for Megami to hit my town, which should be tomorrow, to start on Tsuduki's interviews.
However, several kind souls put up summeries on 2ch and it's something like;
Battle and action scenes are changed significantly from TV; Reason and outcome of fights will be the same, but place and how they fight will be quite different.
From the stage of writing base scenario, he's focusing on speedy-and-exciting visuals expected for a movie; especially he wants to show what a "Fight of aerial mages" should be, opposed to "Stop in mid-air, fire, fire back, repeat" of TV series.
They won't go anymore deeper about TSAB than it was in TV 1st. Since 1st is the story about Nanoha and Fate's friendship, movie will focus more on this aspect.
After going through 3 seasons, background settings have grown far larger. Their new costumes are designed with these settings up to StS in mind.
Feel free to believe these or not, for I don't have actual book myself yet.
At least these will be some cookies for you, for sure ;)
1) Different locations huh...so it seems like there isn't that much change in the reason of the movie and for the outcome to remains the same it is pretty much predictable blah blah.
2) I am drooling...no more one hit starlight breaker kill?
I expect Fate chan to use scythe form more then :D
(more drooling).
3) Note the word "Friendship" :rolleyes:
Feel free to twist it in whatever way...
4) Epic designs huh? I really don't mind an upgrade on looks as long as the power level is similar to the series (meaning no sudden cartridges popping up).
Wouldn't expect it. Raising Heart is clearly lacking her cartridge adition, she just looks more spiffy. On Bardiche it's slightly harder to see, but still I can't see the revolver adition.
Though I can't wait for the cartridges in a next movie. :D
3) Note the word "Friendship" :rolleyes:I knew someone would make a reaction for that :heh:
Well, that's what summery said.
Whether Tsuduki explicitly phrased it that way in interview, or the "kind soul" made it, I don't know.no more one hit starlight breaker kill?Still, I'm expecting that the finishing-blow will be SLB.
This is Nanoha, you know :rolleyes:
I'm drooling right now.
Unfortunately the only high-res scans I've found are the magazine cover and the pages related to the Sound Stage M3 that came with this Megami; the person who upped the SoundStage included them. :|
Still, I'm expecting that the finishing-blow will be SLB.
This is Nanoha, you know :rolleyes:
As long as the battle leading up to it is awesome, I don't mind. Or rather it'd feel strange if Nanoha didn't finish with Starligt Breaker. :heh:
I'm drooling right now.
Unfortunately the only high-res scans I've found are the magazine cover and the pages related to the Sound Stage M3 that came with this Megami; the person who upped the SoundStage included them. :|
Could you post them in the image thread? There are still quite a few people interested in them. :)
Deathkillz
2008-07-30, 07:32
I knew someone would make a reaction for that :heh:
Well, that's what summery said.
Whether Tsuduki explicitly phrased it that way in interview, or the "kind soul" made it, I don't know.
And I thank the kind soul ^^
Still, I'm expecting that the finishing-blow will be SLB.
This is Nanoha, you know :rolleyes:
As long as the battle leading up to it is awesome, I don't mind. Or rather it'd feel strange if Nanoha didn't finish with Starligt Breaker. :heh:
I suppose...but before getting KO'ed I still hope that Bardiche would slice through RH if Nanoha ever tries to use her "magical girl staff" to block again. :p
It's the least a scythe can do...
I suppose...but before getting KO'ed I still hope that Bardiche would slice through RH if Nanoha ever tries to use her "magical girl staff" to block again. :p
It's the least a scythe can do...
It's a magical staff. :3
Estavali
2008-07-30, 09:42
Animation: 7Arcs
There you go I.G rumor.
Well, I don't even know how such a rumor has ever started to begin with, since if that was really the case, I'm sure 2ch threads would mention about that once or twice.
The article also says that the movie will NOT use any pre-produced animation scenes from TV 1st and will draw everything from scratch.
I'm still waiting for Megami to hit my town, which should be tomorrow, to start on Tsuduki's interviews.
However, several kind souls put up summeries on 2ch and it's something like;
Battle and action scenes are changed significantly from TV; Reason and outcome of fights will be the same, but place and how they fight will be quite different.
From the stage of writing base scenario, he's focusing on speedy-and-exciting visuals expected for a movie; especially he wants to show what a "Fight of aerial mages" should be, opposed to "Stop in mid-air, fire, fire back, repeat" of TV series. They won't go anymore deeper about TSAB than it was in TV 1st. Since 1st is the story about Nanoha and Fate's friendship, movie will focus more on this aspect.
After going through 3 seasons, background settings have grown far larger. Their new costumes are designed with these settings up to StS in mind.
Feel free to believe these or not, for I don't have actual book myself yet.
At least these will be some cookies for you, for sure ;)
Ahhhhh, what excellent news. Though part of me is apprehensive about that greater focus on action. Let's hope they can provide blood-rushing fights while telling a good story =3
For myself, I hope that the movie will delve more into Fate's past. Hopefully we can get better look at the reason for her creation, her past before Nanoha (will Linith make it to the big screen? I hope so =3) and personally, a more sympathetic look at Precia. The novel projected a more human her and I hope this could also be through with the movie. Imho, the Testarossas' (Precia, Alicia and Fate) backstory and the interaction between Precia and Fate is very important to the story, as it provides a good reason for Fate's desperate need to succeed in her task.
If anyone wants to talk about this in the Fon Filia chatroom, feel free to come visit, the link is in my profile.
Yurichan
2008-07-30, 15:10
Oh god no, please. No more into Fate's past. How much drama and emo do you want.
Why can't you let it rest. It's sad and we have seen enough of it.
The SLB will be there I think. But I am more curious to the afterwards after that. Nanoha bride-holding Fate
Advent000
2008-07-30, 16:05
They probably wanted a less magical girlish season 1 for people to remember, more a... Nanoha one.
I agree, the latter series especially have been very different to the typical magical girl.
And I felt that the bow on Nanoha's jacket was out of place.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2008-07-30, 16:08
Animation: 7Arcs
There you go I.G rumor.
Well, I don't even know how such a rumor has ever started to begin with, since if that was really the case, I'm sure 2ch threads would mention about that once or twice.
The article also says that the movie will NOT use any pre-produced animation scenes from TV 1st and will draw everything from scratch.
I'm still waiting for Megami to hit my town, which should be tomorrow, to start on Tsuduki's interviews.
However, several kind souls put up summeries on 2ch and it's something like;
Battle and action scenes are changed significantly from TV; Reason and outcome of fights will be the same, but place and how they fight will be quite different.
From the stage of writing base scenario, he's focusing on speedy-and-exciting visuals expected for a movie; especially he wants to show what a "Fight of aerial mages" should be, opposed to "Stop in mid-air, fire, fire back, repeat" of TV series.
They won't go anymore deeper about TSAB than it was in TV 1st. Since 1st is the story about Nanoha and Fate's friendship, movie will focus more on this aspect.
After going through 3 seasons, background settings have grown far larger. Their new costumes are designed with these settings up to StS in mind.
Feel free to believe these or not, for I don't have actual book myself yet.
At least these will be some cookies for you, for sure ;)
So they're thinking of taking this parallel story up to StrikerS?
The fight scenes sound good. For some reason, fighter jets come into mind when they say that they want a more speedy and exciting fighting sequence(s) for the mage battles. Although they will have to include Nanoha's Starlight Breaker. Its the thing that sends Fate down for the K.O.
Lets hope that Yuuno isn't a ferret for the most part of the movie...he will have to give Nanoha some back up if they are to fight both Fate and Arf. Not to mention Chrono trying to intervene with the fights. Sounds pretty action packed...although Chrono doesn't get much fight time as compared to the TV series, lets hope they squeeze in some fight time for him when the time comes for Chrono to show up.
As for the story itself, Fate's past needs to be mentioned more and why is she has so much ambition to collect the Jewel Seeds. We all know why, but its an element that will make Nanoha become friends with Fate...no matter how much we all hate how Precia punishes Fate...I wonder if that will be included in this movie as well.
Deathkillz
2008-07-30, 17:35
Oh god no, please. No more into Fate's past. How much drama and emo do you want.
Why can't you let it rest. It's sad and we have seen enough of it.
The SLB will be there I think. But I am more curious to the afterwards after that. Nanoha bride-holding Fate
Err...we have?
Actually I dont think I have gotten enough of "tragic fate chan" so I am hoping for more. More so that will deepen my love for her (which is already pretty much impossible ^^).
In fact, I think fate chan's story is the best out of the three seasons...I wonder why :rolleyes:
Err...we have?
Actually I dont think I have gotten enough of "tragic fate chan" so I am hoping for more. More so that will deepen my love for her (which is already pretty much impossible ^^).
In fact, I think fate chan's story is the best out of the three seasons...I wonder why :rolleyes:
I think It's more the idea of having to watch poor Fate-chan being tortured all over again with improved animation... It's not fun watching your favorite character being whipped to death by the filth of the universe.:(
Well, It's part of the reason I love her so much, but I need not be reminded of it since it was terribly depressing the first time.
Partly why I enjoy A's the most(and never re-watched first season) is how happy and torture free she was.
Ohwell, enough ranting. I could probably type a essay that would span several pages, but I won't. This is something that's already happened and I must remember that!:heh:
Evil Rick
2008-07-30, 22:29
I don't know, this movie doesn't exites me at all :?
I can't think in a good theme for it, besides, StrikerS was full of pointless and bored things, What can we expect from this?
Ottocycle
2008-07-31, 01:01
I don't know, this movie doesn't exites me at all :?
I can't think in a good theme for it, besides, StrikerS was full of pointless and bored things, What can we expect from this?
We can hope, because this isn't in any way a movie remake of StrikerS?
Kind of obvious, don't you think?
It's nothing wrong to like angst, but it is a folly to flame, Gue'la. ;)
So they're thinking of taking this parallel story up to StrikerS?
The fight scenes sound good. For some reason, fighter jets come into mind when they say that they want a more speedy and exciting fighting sequence(s) for the mage battles.
Me too,. When I heard about how instead of first season's "Stop, shoot, stop, shoot, slash, stop, shoot" and instead of that, they'll really show you how aerial mages battle, I thought of it being like Jetplanes too(more specifically, the sounds it'll make when the mages fly might sound more like jetplanes).
For example - Instead of Nanoha taking 15 seconds to charge up a Divine Buster or something, then we'd see the divine buster slowly make it's way to Fate and then she blocks.
It'd be faster paced.
Maybe:
1. Less stalling or pausing.
2. Faster paced battle. Nanoha shoots a laser, it shows Fate blocking, Nanoha flies to Fate, starts attacking her with RH in melee combat, maybe she shoots a couple of pink beams also. Fate flies out of combat, fires a bunch of ranged projectiles at Nanoha. Nanoha blocks, Fate attacks from behind.
All this happens in just 15 seconds.
3. Need to replay the fight scenes in slow motion if you want to catch everything(Not that fast, just to give you an idea on how I imagined they might do the fight scenes).
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