Code Geass R2 - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll

[KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM]

This episode was another disappointment, sure it had its moments but it was just awful from what it could have been. For the past several episodes, this series has become one disappointment after another

You're kidding right:eyebrow:

[Highlygifted]

3 massacred? you mean 2 right? the euphy masscared and the cult-geass one. Mind tell me what is the third?

Well, this one. Suzaku didn't want to use Freyja, the Geass made him do it. Since Geass isn't something you can fight off, it's Lelouch's fault. Also, Nunally being alive can also mean in a spirit way, like how the Emperor talks to Clovis or C.C to Marianne.

[morbosfist]

Were did you see the extended previewhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OedVDmA7VC4

There you go.

[KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OedVDmA7VC4

There you go.

Thank you

Now I know what happen to Cornelia

[UFO888]

Well, this one. Suzaku didn't want to use Freyja, the Geass made him do it. Since Geass isn't something you can fight off, it's Lelouch's fault. Also, Nunally being alive can also mean in a spirit way, like how the Emperor talks to Clovis or C.C to Marianne.

How about suzaku doesnt bring that bomb with him knowingly how dangrous it is and his live geass too? And mind remain me why zero casts the live command on suzaku in the first place?:uhoh:

[DN24]

3 massacred? you mean 2 right? the euphy masscared and the cult-geass one. Mind tell me what is the third?

I'd give him 2 and a half...

Seem like Suzaku's going to blame himself while Lelouch will blame Rolo....

And mind remain me why zero casts the live command on suzaku in the first place?

First is to save his a**,wanting his "friend" to live come second

[hero147]

This episode was another disappointment, sure it had its moments but it was just awful from what it could have been. For the past several episodes, this series has become one disappointment after another

Well........Why are you watching it still then?:eyebrow:
These last few episodes were great in terms of LIKE EVERY ASPECT!

[FlareKnight]

How about suzaku doesnt bring that bomb with him knowingly how dangrous it is and his live geass too? And mind remain me why zero casts the live command on suzaku in the first place?:uhoh:For Suzaku it was probably the best option he had. At least if its with him he won't willingly fire the thing. Plus with Kallen not on the battlefield there really isn't anything out there that can put his life at risk so much that firing Friea is the only option. As it has been said leaving it behind could have been more dangerous. Nina wanted that thing used and would have done anything to get anyone else to take it out there.

[srb]

This episode was another disappointment, sure it had its moments but it was just awful from what it could have been. For the past several episodes, this series has become one disappointment after another

Tianzi in a wedding dress drinking soda was clearly the highlight of the series!

I still say Nunally's plane got away in time and crashed and in an episode Sayoko will have recovered her, or it got spirited away by Charleruru with his newfound Code powers.

[UFO888]

For Suzaku it was probably the best option he had. At least if its with him he won't willingly fire the thing. Plus with Kallen not on the battlefield there really isn't anything out there that can put his life at risk so much that firing Friea is the only option. As it has been said leaving it behind could have been more dangerous. Nina wanted that thing used and would have done anything to get anyone else to take it out there.

And so he can just get away with it for those reasons, sound weak to me.

[Traece]

How about suzaku doesnt bring that bomb with him knowingly how dangrous it is and his live geass too? And mind remain me why zero casts the live command on suzaku in the first place?:uhoh:

Because if he hadn't casted it, they BOTH would've died. Suzaku is stuck with it, and Lelouch continues to live.

This episode really blew me away, and I don't just mean because of Freia. There were so many things that happened that I don't think even I could've expected. I never would've even imagined that Kallen would be so powerful with the new Guren. Just like I wouldn't have imagined that Brittannia's Vampire would be defeated so easily in combat. He really was pathetic in comparison to his counterparts it seems, especially since he needed help just to try and destroy the Shinkirou. But just wow, I was absolutely amazed at just how immense and powerful Kallen's presence is. I suppose it's been so long since she was on the battlefield, it became hard to remember that she was such a powerhouse. With that kind of combat ability, the Black Knights hardly need an army anymore. Haha...

I am sad to see Sayoko go, but then again I had a feeling she would be dead before the series was over anyhow. But man, I've never been more surprised in my life. I couldn't believe that they actually killed Nunally. That was easily beyond prediction. Just as well, to leave Rolo alive... It seems like the people behind this don't even like Lelouch. :heh:

[UFO888]

First is to save his a**,wanting his "friend" to live come second
ok, and so he should just let that retard do a suicide and killed him too?:rolleyes: They are enemies in battlefield right?

[KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM]

Tianzi in a wedding dress drinking soda was clearly the highlight of the series!

I still say Nunally's plane got away in time and crashed and in an episode Sayoko will have recovered her, or it got spirited away by Charleruru with his newfound Code powers.

What Code powers, the only thing that old man has is immorality and geass immunity.

[SeedFreedom]

Because if he hadn't casted it, they BOTH would've died. Suzaku is stuck with it, and Lelouch continues to live.

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Hence why i think a "save me" command would have been much better, and in my opinion more intuitive.

[lousylaus]

Sadly, Suzaku will also get a similar upgrade soon. [/SPOILER]

Why sadly? Why should Kallen be the only one with a kickass machine, that's not how things work. Show would be pretty boring with no competition.

And damn right the Lancelot needs a kickass upgrade like the Guren. In fact, it needs an even bigger one, considering it's been completely ignored during the whole season while every other machine got they're big upgrade and in the case of Kallen that was twice while the Lancelot remained unchanged with the exception of a few new toys that didn't even make much of an upgrade in the first place.

The Lancelot is suppose to be a unique machine and I just hate how it's been ignored like that. So I hope the LA will trully be something special in it's own way and not just a copy of the Guren upgrade.

Also I'm not sure I like the idea of Suzaku going mental(based on the extended ep19 preview). On the good side, going beserk might show us more of Suzaku's strength, but on the other hand it's gonna make him do stupid things and not think things through, once again having something to hold him back.

[Traece]

Umm.. For those of you who seem to think that Lelouch now has a Code and immortality..

Yeah, look at the middle of the extended preview at Charles. Take note of his high-class, colorful, and blue clothing.

Now, take note of the rugged and large hands the Code is placed upon. If that doesn't spell it out for you the man with the Code is wearing high-class, colorful, and blue clothing...

Edit: The Lancelot will most likely be upgraded, considering it's missing a leg and has had some of its more asthetic features trimmed off. They also HAVE to upgrade it, because I highly doubt that even the Knight of One is good enough to kill Kallen, or match her.

[orangejuicetang]

I have a complaint. I just rewatched the scene of Guren's launch from 13:03-13:11. Look how FREAKIN fast it moves. Are you saying that with that type of speed, it was unable to make it to the government hanger in time, grab the ship, and jet out? It moved like 100X times faster than the speed at which the explosion spread, and it took a while for the reaction to actually allow the explosion to start. Actually, she started in the government building, and found and made it to Lelouch's position in like 15 seconds. So she had plenty of time to zip right back into building and save Nunually. In fact, if she left instead of staring at the pretty ball of light in the sky, she would have easily had enough time to make it there and back.

[Major1138]

Hence why i think a "save me" command would have been much better, and in my opinion more intuitive.

Well it probably would have been, but from what I remember of the context of their conversation at the time, Lelouch was berating Suzaku for not having the will to live on or something to that effect. He was saying something like how it's easy to let someone else order you to die (as Suzaku was obeying orders to hold his ground and let Schneizel vapourize them both), or something like that.

But then again, we could play "if only..." with this show for hours and hours on end.

[miroku2192]

First off, Rolo wanted to kill Nunually. Obvious. Lelouch not having a back-up plan in case Rolo decides to kill Nunually? Suprising. Also, poor Guilford. Cornelia is not going to be happy. Did anyone else notice that his last words to Lelouch who he thought was Conrnelia was for him/her to "live on"? Ironic that that was the same command that Lelouch gave to Suzuku that caused this whole mess, and it might give him a hint as to why Suzuku shot the nuke. Also, what the hell's up with the Gurren's speed? It looked like it was a freakin beam of light. Look at how fast it moved when it just launched. With that speed, she could have probably reached Nunually's ship, picked it up, and out-raced the explosion. I mean seriously wtf no Knightmare Frame should move at light speed. And that was only at 60% output too. Forget about how powerful, how fast is it going to be able to move at 100% output? She could single-handly obliterate Britannia's army if she had some extra energy filters. Now, about the Suzuku Lancealot Freya thing. Maybe it takes alot of time to de-equip Freya and he was in a hurry. Or maybe he kept it on his Lancealot because he didn't want Nina to give to some random other minor pilot and have him shoot it off. Maybe he knew that right now there was only one operational Freya, and that if he didn't carry it, it might have gone to someone else who didn't have as many problems with shooting it as he did. Just throwing that out there. Also, do you really think that Suzuku could have escaped the Guren? The Guren that moved like a beam of light and destroyed half of the Lancealot, and was seriously trying to kill him? Let's put it this way. If Suzuku hadn't fired the Freya, do you think he would have survived? Also, the fact that Nina was shouting "Use Freya, It will save you" didn't help much.
And finally In the extended preview we see that Cornelia has met up with Schniezzal or however you spell his name. Suzuku has gone "Lelouch-Laugh" crazy. And Lelouch has the C.C.'s code on his right hand. So I guess that means that Lelouch is immortal now?

about kallen's new guren...don't forget how they said they pretty much threw too much shiz on there...so that no one could pilot it 100%? same thing, it's prolli not gonna be able to run at 100% because that would kill the pilot...

the only thing im confused about is how kallen can easily maneuver that thing on her first try when it's going so much faster than before...that's a lot of G's right there (in difference i mean when compared to her older guren)

[SagaraSouske]

Count me in as one of the few who believe that Nunally is truly dead. When a person is enveloped in the light of a nuke, that usually means they're dead.

Except some how Rolo survived being practically next to Nunnly's shuttle/ship.

[Major1138]

Except some how Rolo survived being practically next to Nunnly's shuttle/ship.

Well there was quite a bit of time between when the bomb first detonated and the glowing sphere of death, so he may have just booted it out of there, like that Glaston Knight guy, before it caught up to him.

[FlareKnight]

The Lancelot will most likely be upgraded, considering it's missing a leg and has had some of its more asthetic features trimmed off. They also HAVE to upgrade it, because I highly doubt that even the Knight of One is good enough to kill Kallen, or match her.Yeah with the Lancelot only having an arm left there is plenty of room for upgrading things. Besides with something monstrous like the new Guren out there they will want something out there that can come close to matching it.

[Divinegundam]

Well like i said boom!! 10 for me great action and sadness. Gotta be great to see what springs from this. However we all knew Suzaku's live geass would kick in. Also cheers to the person who said Nunnally was going to be killed i didn't believe it. Good god the Guren is and damn the knight of ten killed so quickly lol he did Hayen from GSD just way more evil. i was very sad that Gilford died. I was just crazy good episode.....my GF called me a loser cause i was so into it lol.

[Traece]

about kallen's new guren...don't forget how they said they pretty much threw too much shiz on there...so that no one could pilot it 100%? same thing, it's prolli not gonna be able to run at 100% because that would kill the pilot...

the only thing im confused about is how kallen can easily maneuver that thing on her first try when it's going so much faster than before...that's a lot of G's right there (in difference i mean when compared to her older guren)

Kallen is a fantastic pilot. Plus she was pushed to perform. She had to save Lelouch or it was all over and just as well, she had to prove herself and her loyalty. That kind of pressure works its wonders. Besides, as Kallen said the basics of the machine were still the same. It's entirely feasible that she could pilot it so well with its new enchancements. We're talking about Humans here, we perform best when pushed in corners.

Except some how Rolo survived being practically next to Nunnly's shuttle/ship.

Nunally is dead, leave it as such. No series would ever tease with killing the main character's sweet little sister and then pulling her out of nowhere. Not even Code Geass. NUNALLY IS DEAD. Leave it at that, stop whining and thinking of excuses for her not to be. Rolo wouldn't save her, after all.

He was going to his Sutherland and intending to shoot down the escape ship as it launched, instead, Fleia was launched and he retreated. His Geass doesn't change a thing, considering it doesn't actually slow time itself.

[orangejuicetang]

Doesn't anyone find it kind of funny that if Freya hadn't been fired, the person most likely to save Nunually from Rolo would probably be Asahina?

[Divinegundam]

Well, this one. Suzaku didn't want to use Freyja, the Geass made him do it. Since Geass isn't something you can fight off, it's Lelouch's fault. Also, Nunally being alive can also mean in a spirit way, like how the Emperor talks to Clovis or C.C to Marianne.


OH boy i knew this was gonna happen. If you are not going to use it don't pull out it simple fact. Suzuaku doesn't get 100% blame more like 65%

[aohige]

Great idea.

Let's all convieniently forget the teleportation gate first seen at Kaminejima, and the fact that the Emperor has control of it right now. :rolleyes:

[UFO888]

Nunally is dead, leave it as such. No series would ever tease with killing the main character's sweet little sister and then pulling her out of nowhere. Not even Code Geass. NUNALLY IS DEAD. Leave it at that, stop whining and thinking of excuses for her not to be. Rolo wouldn't save her, after all.

Excuse me! Did they show any evidence that she is killed in the blast? We see the light come toward her that for sure and episode ends. So If next episode they do not determine that she really dead or updated on website, then I dont see how people can not hope that she still freaking ALIVE :rolleyes:

[RedWing]

What show was I watching again? Gundam? Because it sure as hell looked like it. The new Gurren is just outrageous and over the top.

[Highlygifted]

Why sadly? Why should Kallen be the only one with a kickass machine, that's not how things work. Show would be pretty boring with no competition.

And damn right the Lancelot needs a kickass upgrade like the Guren. In fact, it needs an even bigger one, considering it's been completely ignored during the whole season while every other machine got they're big upgrade and in the case of Kallen that was twice while the Lancelot remained unchanged with the exception of a few new toys that didn't even make much of an upgrade in the first place.

The Lancelot is suppose to be a unique machine and I just hate how it's been ignored like that. So I hope the LA will trully be something special in it's own way and not just a copy of the Guren upgrade.

Also I'm not sure I like the idea of Suzaku going mental(based on the extended ep19 preview). On the good side, going beserk might show us more of Suzaku's strength, but on the other hand it's gonna make him do stupid things and not think things through, once again having something to hold him back.

Well, considering how Lelouch is going to lose a lot of supporters after Schneizel leaks the confessions he made, he doesn't need to have Suzaku be able to fight in a machine like that. And having 2 behemoth machines and 2 large armies is kind of pointless. You end up having the armies both be destroyed effortlessly, and end up having the balance decided by a 1 on 1 battle.

[Traece]

Excuse me! Did they show any evidence that she is killed in the blast? We see the light come toward her that for sure and episode ends. So If next episode they do not determine that she really dead or updated on website, then I dont see how people can not hope that she still freaking ALIVE :rolleyes:

Uh... #1 fact supporting: No more city, no more Government Building, no more Nunally.

At the time Sayoko had just boarded the transport and was just about to rescue Nunally, indicating that the transport had NEVER LEFT the Government Building. You don't board a flying plane from the ground, after all. Not even a ninja (plus the men behind her) could accomplish that.

She's dead, and there's no proof that says otherwise. :D

[UFO888]

Uh... #1 fact supporting: No more city, no more Government Building, no more Nunally.

At the time Sayoko had just boarded the transport and was just about to rescue Nunally, indicating that the transport had NEVER LEFT the Government Building. You don't board a flying plane from the ground, after all. Not even a ninja (plus the men behind her) could accomplish that.

She's dead, and there's no proof that says otherwise. :D
Good until YOU show me her body or whatever left of her body or the show itself says so then so be it. But for now, no thanks, my hope is still as high as ever. :p

[orangejuicetang]

We have no idea how much time had passed from when she boarded the ship to when the bomb was fired. It's not like she had just boarded the ship when Freya was launched.

[Discerptor]

Looks like I was right again. I hope the people who kept insisting that Suzaku would fire FLEIA willingly are all eating their hats right about now. Big shock-factor episode... lots of stuff going down... not sure it's "10" quality though. I'll decide later.

And Nunnally is dead. Schneizel just killed my favoured romance, and I'm displeased, but I accept it. We saw the pink light of doom engulf her and Sayoko. And there will be no body or remnants of a body, because everything in that sphere of death was completely obliterated, even buildings.

[Sotobrastos]

Doesn't anyone find it kind of funny that if Freya hadn't been fired, the person most likely to save Nunually from Rolo would probably be Asahina?

Lelouch sent Sayoko there for a reason.

[Discerptor]

Lelouch sent Sayoko there for a reason.

Yes, and that reason was so they could secure all three priorities. Lelouch still trusts Rolo, because he doesn't know about his inferiority complex regarding Nunnally.

[Traece]

Good until YOU show me her body or whatever left of her body or the show itself says so then so be it. But for now, no thanks, my hope is still as high as ever. :p

Dude, there's not even a city anymore. You think they'll find her body? You'll be believing Nunally is alive with those beliefs for the rest of eternity. :heh:

We have no idea how much time had passed from when she boarded the ship to when the bomb was fired. It's not like she had just boarded the ship when Freya was launched.

That's a possibility, but at the same time it's still quite impossible. The plan was to capture Nunally, there wasn't much talk of an escape plan. But I'm pretty sure the transport plane she was on wasn't included, considering it's not exactly going to be a fast plane, and it's defenseless.

Just as well, I'm sure it would've been mentioned in communications that Nunally's plane had taken off from the Government Building. Units would've been re-routed to protect her and announcements would've been made that she was captured and in the hands of the Black Knights. As well as there would've been screams of joy from Lelouch. :eyespin:

[aznegglover]

Has anyone begun to notice that everyone so far that has died had white wings in the code geass ending credits?

Euphie had white wings.. and is now dead
Shirley had white wings.. and is now dead
Nunnally had white wings in the background.. and is probably dead
CC had black wings they later turned white.. and she nearly died
Schiezel looks like he has white wings in the background.. death flag anyone?
Lelouch has black wings when his first seen, then white wings near the end :uhoh:

Dammit, Nina doesn't have one

Good until YOU show me her body or whatever left of her body or the show itself says so then so be it. But for now, no thanks, my hope is still as high as ever. :p
Am I the only one that saw a smoking crater thing in the ground with no rubble surrounding it?

Edit: Exactly what did Lelouch say that will make the OBK betray him?

[Crontica]

And finally In the extended preview we see that Cornelia has met up with Schniezzal or however you spell his name. Suzuku has gone "Lelouch-Laugh" crazy. And Lelouch has the C.C.'s code on his right hand. So I guess that means that Lelouch is immortal now?

Wow if this is true then ChiChi's plot armour is 100% gone, and lelouch is in deeper shit than necessary.

[NettoSaito]

Dammit, Nina doesn't have one


Am I the only one that saw a smoking crater thing in the ground with no rubble surrounding it?

Edit: Exactly what did Lelouch say that will make the OBK betray him?

yeah i noticed that 2. i figured it meant they were in Heaven.

[Witacume]

Wow if this is true then ChiChi's plot armour is 100% gone, and lelouch is in deeper shit than necessary.

its not true. That is charles hand.

[aardvark]

And finally In the extended preview we see that Cornelia has met up with Schniezzal or however you spell his name. Suzuku has gone "Lelouch-Laugh" crazy. And Lelouch has the C.C.'s code on his right hand. So I guess that means that Lelouch is immortal now?
That hand is Charles, the Emperor, not Lelouch

[NettoSaito]

Wow if this is true then ChiChi's plot armour is 100% gone, and lelouch is in deeper shit than necessary.

wow everything just fell apart in the past few eps didn't it? i mean the start of R2 it was pretty happy and everything was going great, then after the whole sheirly thing.... DOWN HILL IT GOES!

[Traece]

yeah i noticed that 2. i figured it meant they were in Heaven.

I actually never noticed that, but it makes sense.

I think the opening and ending stuff in animes tends to somehow poke fun at things that will happen.

Like there was a bit about the opening of Hayate no Gotoku that revealed the most recent villain, or some such thing...

[NettoSaito]

That hand is Charles, the Emperor, not Lelouch

C.C. got rid of her code and sent Lelouch to that other world to keep him from getting it. so he wont be getting one.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Lelouch sent Sayoko there for a reason.

Lelouch never knew the truth behind Shirely's death.

[NettoSaito]

I actually never noticed that, but it makes sense.

I think the opening and ending stuff in animes tends to somehow poke fun at things that will happen.

Like there was a bit about the opening of Hayate no Gotoku that revealed the most recent villain, or some such thing...

lol yeah, a lot of the time they revile the new characters in the openings... so when they appear in the anime you are like "FINALLY WE GET TO SEE THAT GUY!" instead of being all "who is that!?" like you should be.

[NettoSaito]

Lelouch never knew the truth behind Shirely's death.

rolo told him. lelouch asked if he did it and rolo said that he did, and that shirely had gotten her memories back. then lelouch said "good job" to him.

[Bennyswan]

Lelouch never knew the truth behind Shirely's death.

The truth that Rolo killed Shirley because she knew that Lelouch is Zero and that she mention Nunnally?(somethign around that)

lol :confused:

[Methuselah]

I would be loling when Code Geass turned to the route of epic desperation to end the anime with: "Oh, the Freya is just a weapon that sents people into an alternate dimension such as the World of C. And Lelouch has to go there to save them and possibly revive some of our already dead characters. Happy ending." :rolleyes:

[Traece]

Yeah Lelouch knew Rolo killed Shirley. He came out with it.

The fans didn't though. Everyone was still sure that Rolo didn't kill her. :heh:

Just like fans seem to be sure that Nunally is still alive... *Cough*

Edit: Ok if Freia sends people to another dimension, I WILL stop watching Code Geass. I'm serious. I would have enough, that would be the stupidest thing EVER...

[CGraphics]

Yeah Lelouch knew Rolo killed Shirley. He came out with it.

The fans didn't though. Everyone was still sure that Rolo didn't kill her. :heh:

Just like fans seem to be sure that Nunally is still alive... *Cough*

Edit: Ok if Freia sends people to another dimension, I WILL stop watching Code Geass. I'm serious. I would have enough, that would be the stupidest thing EVER...


Lol, I wouldn't worry about that, we'll see you @ Code Geass R2 - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll.


What did Lelouch say that would make the OotBK betray him?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

The truth that Rolo killed Shirley because she knew that Lelouch is Zero and that she mention Nunnally?(somethign around that)

lol :confused:

The truth is that he killed her because she liked Lelouch too.

What he told Lelouch was not the full truth. Lelouch doesn't realize that.

So even if Suzaku didn't fire the bomb, Rollo would've killed her anyways.

[NettoSaito]

Yeah Lelouch knew Rolo killed Shirley. He came out with it.

The fans didn't though. Everyone was still sure that Rolo didn't kill her. :heh:

Just like fans seem to be sure that Nunally is still alive... *Cough*

Edit: Ok if Freia sends people to another dimension, I WILL stop watching Code Geass. I'm serious. I would have enough, that would be the stupidest thing EVER...

i dont think that would happen. then again..... i mean i could see it happening but not really.

[Calth]

If something like that does happen it would be kinda funny in that the nuke actually saves Nunally's life instead of killing her. Not that I think it did, but at this point I won't rule anything out.

[NettoSaito]

If something like that does happen it would be kinda funny in that the nuke actually saves Nunally's life instead of killing her. Not that I think it did, but at this point I won't rule anything out.

well we know suzaku made it out for sure. he is the only char that they have said to be in other eps though (as in the ones that were caught in the blast)

[Bennyswan]

The truth is that he killed her because she liked Lelouch too.

What he told Lelouch was not the full truth. Lelouch doesn't realize that.

So even if Suzaku didn't fire the bomb, Rollo would've killed her anyways.

Ahhhh okay I see, thanks that clears that up a bit. :D

Well time to watch the episode again.

[CGraphics]

Kallen was there too.

[Traece]

Lol, I wouldn't worry about that, we'll see you @ Code Geass R2 - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll.


What did Lelouch say that would make the OotBK betray him?

Todou's group harbors a lot of Zero-Hatred, but since the one dude is dead (right?) it's all good.

People seem to think that because Schneizel and Charles both know about Lelouch, Schneizeil will drop the ball.

I think that's foolish to think. They're brothers and they always were rivals as children. Plus, there's not even a guarantee that the OotBK would distrust Zero if his identity was revealed. Just as well, would they even believe Schneizel?

[Wintersun]

episode 18 was pure awesomness

[CGraphics]

Yea, it was great. Every episode has been nothing but epic for me, can't wait till next week. I'm happy to know that Kallen didn't join KoR.

[Itadakimasu!]

Wow. Talk about a game-changing episode. Instead of whine over 'plot deficiencies' i think its alot more interesting to analyze the recurring themes that have been underscored in a big way in those 24 or so minutes. Good ep.

[orangejuicetang]

They might believe Schneizel if it concides with them finding out about what Lelouch did to the Geass cult from the one person who told Ashina, who then send the thing to Todou.

[The Bloodlust Kid]

Quality troll episode! 10/10

Will get trolled again in the future!

God, as if I couldn't hate Suzaku and Nina even more.

[Methuselah]

..Why do people hate Suzaku more. I guess when one is hated, they take ALL of the blame. XD

[CGraphics]

I'm really interested in seeing what will happen with Lelouch now that the only reason he has to live is gone.

[JerryShaw]

Nunnallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyy!

:T_T:



plus Sayokoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Cat Megex]

I noticed something interesting on the screenshot of the F.L.E.I.J.A. status screen. (...Wait, where the heck does the "J" come from? The acronym stands for "Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament"...no "J" in there at all.)

...ANYWAY, the interesting thing I spotted was the detailing of Step 5 of FLEIJA's sequence: "Sessrumnir Sphere Reduction and Vanished(Space Transfer)". "Space Transfer", not "Matter Annihilation" or something similar...perhaps that teleportation theory is more valid than the previous poster thought.

As well, the meaning of "Folkvangr" has already been explained by another poster (namely, being the residence of Freya), but what about "Sessrumnir"? What's that? ....Also, I just realized that Code Geass seems to have a trend of giving WMDs, and things relating to WMDs, Nordic names (Freya, though really "F.L.E.I.J.A.", Folkvangr, Sessrumnir, and, of course, the ultimate one, Ragnarok, which may or may not be exactly what it sounds like [that is, the end of the world, the death of the gods, or "gods" in this case, and the creation of a new world]).

Oh, and here's the screenshot in question:http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2018%20-%20Large%2037.jpg

[lightbringer]

Suzaku didn't do anything particularly hate-worthy this episode. He even gave up at the end, deciding to accept his death as his punishment. How anyone can hate Suzaku when he's fatalistic like that is, frankly, beyond me. You gotta feel at least a little pity for the guy right there.

And he is certain to blame himself. Sure, it was Lelouch's Geass that caused this, but Suzaku KNEW about it and should've seen the tragedy coming. Guess he didn't think Lelouch could put up a serious threat with Kallen all locked up.

@Cat Megex: Google is your friend. And so is Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sessr%C3%BAmnir), heh. It seems Gefjun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gefjun) is related to Norse mythology, too. I never knew.

[CGraphics]

Send them off to space = no air = death.

Hopefully, it'd be pretty pointless to make a nuke that doesn't kill =/

[Traece]

..Why do people hate Suzaku more. I guess when one is hated, they take ALL of the blame. XD

Eh, people don't hate Suzaku as much now. Just the one guy. Don't get the wrong idea. He's proven himself to be more respectable.

However, Nina... Well, any one of us would commit murder and accept the punishment if it meant she was never seen alive ever again.

I'm really interested in seeing what will happen with Lelouch now that the only reason he has to live is gone.

Oh please, that's a fool's state of mind! You can't get rid of a person's reason to live, you can only replace it. Nunally is dead, so now it's time to avenge her. Plus, that was half the endeavor anyhow! Avenging Nunally's injury and the death of his mother. Now he's just hard-pressed on destroying the entire family and Suzaku for killing both his sister, and his mother.

[CGraphics]

Well, that's precious screen time watching him go emo =/

[Crontica]

I'm really interested in seeing what will happen with Lelouch now that the only reason he has to live is gone.


He either turns into Yagami Light, or desperately finds a way to keep his ever declining sanity intact.

[ApostleOfGod]

Lol. I just realized.


Guilford isn't getting any love. :p



All the other side-events and characters involving them = overshadowed by the main battle and result of FLEIA (ironically, Guilford's death is a result of that too :().

He served Well. Too bad it was the wrong person in the end.

[Methuselah]

I noticed something interesting on the screenshot of the F.L.E.I.J.A. status screen. (...Wait, where the heck does the "J" come from? The acronym stands for "Field Limitary Effective Implosion Armament"...no "J" in there at all.)

...ANYWAY, the interesting thing I spotted was the detailing of Step 5 of FLEIJA's sequence: "Sessrumnir Sphere Reduction and Vanished(Space Transfer)". "Space Transfer", not "Matter Annihilation" or something similar...perhaps that teleportation theory is more valid than the previous poster thought.

As well, the meaning of "Folkvangr" has already been explained by another poster (namely, being the residence of Freya), but what about "Sessrumnir"? What's that? ....Also, I just realized that Code Geass seems to have a trend of giving WMDs, and things relating to WMDs, Nordic names (Freya, though really "F.L.E.I.J.A.", Folkvangr, Sessrumnir, and, of course, the ultimate one, Ragnarok, which may or may not be exactly what it sounds like [that is, the end of the world, the death of the gods, or "gods" in this case, and the creation of a new world]).

Oh, and here's the screenshot in question:http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2018%20-%20Large%2037.jpg


So.. did my joke a page back really meant something there? XD

[Cat Megex]

So.. did my joke a page back really meant something there? XD

We'll have to wait and see, won't we.

Google is your friend. And so is Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sessr%C3%BAmnir), heh. It seems Gefjun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gefjun) is related to Norse mythology, too. I never knew.

...And how could I forget the Valkyries? XD Oh! Or the Yggdrasil Drive!

But yeah...looking at what Sessrúmnir actually means, it seems Nina (or whoever assigned the terms) was a little ironic with their naming. A weapon with a name that sounds like "Frey(j)a" that destroys (well, as far as we know, destroys) everything within "Sessrumnir", which is one of the afterlifes in Norse mythology....XD

I wonder if "Valhalla" is ever going to be used as a name for something in CG. Possibly something relating to Ragnarok? (Or has it already been used?)

[The Bloodlust Kid]

Suzaku didn't do anything particularly hate-worthy this episode. He even gave up at the end, deciding to accept his death as his punishment. How anyone can hate Suzaku when he's fatalistic like that is, frankly, beyond me. You gotta feel at least a little pity for the guy right there.

And he is certain to blame himself. Sure, it was Lelouch's Geass that caused this, but Suzaku KNEW about it and should've seen the tragedy coming. Guess he didn't think Lelouch could put up a serious threat with Kallen all locked up.

@Cat Megex: Google is your friend. And so is Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sessr%C3%BAmnir), heh. It seems Gefjun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gefjun) is related to Norse mythology, too. I never knew.

More like I remembered his live geass thing. I still think that was some cheap plot device. I know I'm suppose to suspend disbelief but I still can't stomach that.

...And how could I forget the Valkyries? XD Oh! Or the Yggdrasil Drive!

But yeah...looking at what Sessrúmnir actually means, it seems Nina (or whoever assigned the terms) was a little ironic with their naming. A weapon with a name that sounds like "Frey(j)a" that destroys (well, as far as we know, destroys) everything within "Sessrumnir", which is one of the afterlifes in Norse mythology....XD

I wonder if "Valhalla" is ever going to be used as a name for something in CG. Possibly something relating to Ragnarok? (Or has it already been used?)

I predict Valhalla is another dimension (if that one guy's theory means what I think it means is true) where those that got sucked in by Freya will be stuck there and will be the final showdown with KMF and a monstrous Charles.

God, I hope I'm wrong. That sounded lame as hell.

[miroku2192]

We'll have to wait and see, won't we.



...And how could I forget the Valkyries? XD Oh! Or the Yggdrasil Drive!

But yeah...looking at what Sessrúmnir actually means, it seems Nina (or whoever assigned the terms) was a little ironic with their naming. A weapon with a name that sounds like "Frey(j)a" that destroys (well, as far as we know, destroys) everything within "Sessrumnir", which is one of the afterlifes in Norse mythology....XD

I wonder if "Valhalla" is ever going to be used as a name for something in CG. Possibly something relating to Ragnarok? (Or has it already been used?)

I thoguht valhalla was used somewhere...or i might just be imagining things...that word comes up everywhere...even in halo 3 haha

[Methuselah]

Suzaku didn't do anything particularly hate-worthy this episode. He even gave up at the end, deciding to accept his death as his punishment. How anyone can hate Suzaku when he's fatalistic like that is, frankly, beyond me. You gotta feel at least a little pity for the guy right there.

And he is certain to blame himself. Sure, it was Lelouch's Geass that caused this, but Suzaku KNEW about it and should've seen the tragedy coming. Guess he didn't think Lelouch could put up a serious threat with Kallen all locked up.

@Cat Megex: Google is your friend. And so is Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sessr%C3%BAmnir), heh. It seems Gefjun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gefjun) is related to Norse mythology, too. I never knew.

Yikes? I don't recall Suzaku being a strategist in any sense. It's more like Lelouch could have saw it coming. In that situation, Suzaku litterly blanks out and never knew what he did until someone told him so. Take the Island scene where Lelouch first gave the order. Suzaku didn't do anything wrong. Not like he could drop the Freya or something when it's so damn valuable.

[bbduece]

If she is dead, i see a lot of people dieing at the hands of Lelouch's wrath.

[Boduar]

Um I may be like way off here but is anyone else thinking that Anya is either twin sisters, just another sister, or clone/something of Nunnally ... There roughly same age and if it wasnt for differing styles such as nunnally eyes closed + hair down while anya's eye color + hair up they look roughly similar. And hair color after all im guessing is easily changed.

Edit: In other news am I the only one who thinks Guilford is probably the most tragic death? Like euphemia is pretty close to but at least she had the whole near-dead time with Suzaku where guilford just went out thinking he was saving cornelia which is kinda pathetic in a sad way.

[JagdPanther]

Wow.

That's all I can say....

That was insanity.

Well, no body, no death. I'd like to believe that with regards to Nunally, but I don't know if that'll be the case this time.

Of course, Kallen survived.... >_>

But the big thing is that I'm assuming everyone still hates Suzaku and now even more. But to an extent, Lulu did this via the Live on Geass. His Geass once again got a lot of people killed.

[Divinegundam]

Um I may be like way off here but is anyone else thinking that Anya is either twin sisters, just another sister, or clone/something of Nunnally ... There roughly same age and if it wasnt for differing styles such as nunnally eyes closed + hair down while anya's eye color + hair up they look roughly similar. And hair color after all im guessing is easily changed.

Edit: In other news am I the only one who thinks Guilford is probably the most tragic death? Like euphemia is pretty close to but at least she had the whole near-dead time with Suzaku where guilford just went out thinking he was saving cornelia which is kinda pathetic in a sad way.

I agree about Guilford that sheeet was tragic indeed

[JagdPanther]

In other news am I the only one who thinks Guilford is probably the most tragic death? Like euphemia is pretty close to but at least she had the whole near-dead time with Suzaku where guilford just went out thinking he was saving cornelia which is kinda pathetic in a sad way.
Agreed. That was a sad death. Why did he have to die and others didn't? >_>

[animeboy12]

Edit: In other news am I the only one who thinks Guilford is probably the most tragic death? Like euphemia is pretty close to but at least she had the whole near-dead time with Suzaku where guilford just went out thinking he was saving cornelia which is kinda pathetic in a sad way.

I'm with you. His death is another reason why I'm not around boards trying to rationalize lulu's actions like lulu's a saint.

[Divinegundam]

Wow.

That's all I can say....

That was insanity.

Well, no body, no death. I'd like to believe that with regards to Nunally, but I don't know if that'll be the case this time.

Of course, Kallen survived.... >_>

But the big thing is that I'm assuming everyone still hates Suzaku and now even more. But to an extent, Lulu did this via the Live on Geass. His Geass once again got a lot of people killed.

However Suzaku knew about his live Geass and went out with the weapon. Not that I hate him but he knew that the Live Geass makes him do things against his will so to sortie with the Implosion device was completely irresponsible.

[Traece]

Guildford was a bit of a sad occurance, and he went out a good person. Sacrificing himself for Corne-- Lelouch.

Too bad, Cornelia stays single.

Lol how many pairings were killed in this episode?

Nunally pairings, DEAD, with her.
Cornelia / Guildford, DEAD, with Guildford.
Sayoko and Rolo pairings, DEAD. Sayoko is dead, and Rolo has nobody that would go out with him.
Was Todou's potential lover killed?

[DN24]

However Suzaku knew about his live Geass and went out with the weapon. Not that I hate him but he knew that the Live Geass makes him do things against his will so to sortie with the Implosion device was completely irresponsible.

He'd better let Nina do it then?Because she was going to until he shut her up..

[JagdPanther]

However Suzaku knew about his live Geass and went out with the weapon. Not that I hate him but he knew that the Live Geass makes him do things against his will so to sortie with the Implosion device was completely irresponsible.
I think part of episode 17 was that he didn't have a huge range of choices.

[animeboy12]

well there doesn't have to be a happy loveydovy ending. I also think there's a chance that ougi will get killed by Cornelia when he mentioned Villetta name after that explosion.

[Cat Megex]

Was Todou's potential lover killed?

Nope. In fact, in the one part where she was about to die, she was rescued by Asahina, the one member of Toudou's inner circle (I don't remember what the term for those guys was, so...yeah) who ended up dying this episode.

[demon_god04]

He'd better let Nina do it then?Because she was going to until he shut her up..

Not that I am arguing that Suzaku deserves more blame or anything but Loyd mentioned that the test pilots for the Lancelot could barely move it so I doubt Nina could do any better. Frankly I'd want her to take out the Lancelot only to get shot down like 5 seconds into the battle.

[Traece]

Nope. In fact, in the one part where she was about to die, she was rescued by Asahina, the one member of Toudou's inner circle (I don't remember what the term for those guys was, so...yeah) who ended up dying this episode.

Um..

I mean with Freija...

And I mean with them attacking Schneizel directly and all.

But if they didn't show it, I guess she lived. But didn't Asahina (green hair idiot, right?) die?

[animeboy12]

However Suzaku knew about his live Geass and went out with the weapon. Not that I hate him but he knew that the Live Geass makes him do things against his will so to sortie with the Implosion device was completely irresponsible.

I don't think he thought he was gonna die

[orangejuicetang]

Rewatching the episode, Nina did say something about a program or something that would allow her to at least move the Lancealot and fire the device.

[morbosfist]

I don't think he thought he was gonna dieThen he's too arrogant for his own good if he didn't see loss as a possibility. Then again, most characters aren't much better in that regard, Lelouch included.

[NextTime]

I'm really interested in seeing what will happen with Lelouch now that the only reason he has to live is gone.

Anger, then C.C.? :o

The preview for next ep shows him taking it all out on Rolo :uhoh: Which seems life threatening. The Emperor is close. Cornelia is escaping... And to top it off, the episode is called 'betrayal' and shows Kallen crying... Wow, this show is going in a way different direction than anyone thought. Arrrrgh I can't fucking wait for next week!!!!! <3 Code Geass. Be strong, Lulu!

[The Bloodlust Kid]

Um..

I mean with Freija...

And I mean with them attacking Schneizel directly and all.

But if they didn't show it, I guess she lived. But didn't Asahina (green hair idiot, right?) die?

That would be Four Holy Swords I believe

Asahina's the one with the glasses.

[animeboy12]

Anger, then C.C.? :o

The preview for next ep shows him taking it all out on Rolo :uhoh: Which seems life threatening. The Emperor is close. And to top it off, the episode is called 'betrayal' and shows Kallen crying. Wow, this show is going in a way different direction than anyone thought.

maybe it's the betrayal of the black knights

[Sinestra]

Its been a while since we seen such intense fighting as we did in this one. The strength of Britannia shone through with pretty much every Knight of the Rounds on the battlefield and the death of one. Even still this was such a bittersweet episode.

The return of Kallen with an upgraded Gurren sent me into fits of happiness and watching her own over 15 suits and in the end decimate the Vampire of Britannia was kick ass. Ironically enough Suzaku almost met his end with the same fate if it was not for that damned LIVE order. If it were me i would have Jerimah use the Geass canceler when in range and then owned his ass. However Zero is as much to blame for that psycho bitches invention being fired as Suzaku was for even carrying it in battle if was not intending to use it.

Both sides lost heavy amounts of fire power and or top of that Asahina said he evidence of Zero's betrayal. The new alliance is falling apart before even it even gets of the ground. If the battle in Japan is lost Britannia will crush any hope any other territory has for independence. Im not sure who is left alive and who isnt but numerous main characters on both sides were in that blast when it went off no one really had time to retreat.

I dont even know what else to say but damn was this a phenomal episode. Lelouch may once again be having a emo moment with him thinking Nunnally is dead. Suzaku didnt annoy me this episode its been a while since that happen but im still wish for the death of Nina. She knows nothing about war she wanted it fired with friend or foe still in the blast radius. I hoping she gets the fate she deserves.

I really wanted a one on one fight between Gurren and Tristan.

[Jibade]

Mina will go sicko, her next role in the series will be Witch Lady. I am confused Rolo made it out alive while Nunu did not, seem weird to me. I believe Nunu unleashed her Geass of ultimate power. Must happen .....Nunu ......she is the unsung hero. To me Nunu represented all that is innocent in the series if her role is gone I believe the worse is yet to come.

[morbosfist]

I really wanted a one on one fight between Gurren and Tristan.It would be just as one-sided, but at least they'd be enjoying themselves.

[Ronin Aquila]

Edit: Written in anger. Deleted. Just angry about poor Nunnally-chan's death.

[NextTime]

Its been a while since we seen such intense fighting as we did in this one. The strength of Britannia shone through with pretty much every Knight of the Rounds on the battlefield and the death of one. Even still this was such a bittersweet episode.

The return of Kallen with an upgraded Gurren sent me into fits of happiness and watching her own over 15 suits and in the end decimate the Vampire of Britannia was kick ass. Ironically enough Suzaku almost met his end with the same fate if it was not for that damned LIVE order. If it were me i would have Jerimah use the Geass canceler when in range and then owned his ass. However Zero is as much to blame for that psycho bitches invention being fired as Suzaku was for even carrying it in battle if was not intending to use it.

Both sides lost heavy amounts of fire power and or top of that Asahina said he evidence of Zero's betrayal. The new alliance is falling apart before even it even gets of the ground. If the battle in Japan is lost Britannia will crush any hope any other territory has for independence. Im not sure who is left alive and who isnt but numerous main characters on both sides were in that blast when it went off no one really had time to retreat.

I dont even know what else to say but damn was this a phenomal episode. Lelouch may once again be having a emo moment with him thinking Nunnally is dead. Suzaku didnt annoy me this episode its been a while since that happen but im still wish for the death of Nina. She knows nothing about war she wanted it fired with friend or foe still in the blast radius. I hoping she gets the fate she deserves.

I really wanted a one on one fight between Gurren and Tristan.


I think Asahina's evidence is just of the slaughter of the Geass group, even though that does not make much sense, to me, for him to bring it up with Todou at this time. But that was the guy who was all upset about the Geass slaughter, right? Beyond that, what could Zero have done that would upset OoBK? Meeting with Suzaku, perhaps?

And yeah, Nina is the ultimate annoying bitch.

[morbosfist]

Ah, Ronin, your hate brightens up any situation.

[NextTime]

Mina will go sicko, her next role in the series will be Witch Lady. I am confused Rolo made it out alive while Nunu did not, seem weird to me. I believe Nunu unleashed her Geass of ultimate power. Must happen .....Nunu ......she is the unsung hero. To me Nunu represented all that is innocent in the series if her role is gone I believe the worse is yet to come.

Yeah, I'm confused how he survived if Nunnally got hit, I think he was right next to them at the time. It seems certain she was hit because of the bright light, but maybe they didn't die from that and Rolo just killed them. :confused:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

I think Asahina's evidence is just of the slaughter of the Geass group, even though that does not make much sense, to me, for him to bring it up with Todou at this time. But that was the guy who was all upset about the Geass slaughter, right? Beyond that, what could Zero have done that would upset OoBK? Meeting with Suzaku, perhaps?

And yeah, Nina is the ultimate annoying bitch.

I dunno.

Maybe the fact that your leader sets out the organization to be all righteous and justice against the evil britannian empire and then here you have him running a secret operation that involves slaughtering unarmed civilians and children.

Usually that doesn't sit well with people.

[Traece]

If you guys mean, "How did Rolo live?"

He got in a Sutherland with the intention of shooting down the transport and blaming it on Brittannia. At least, that's what I gather. But then Freija was launched and he decided to run away and let Nunally be killed by the explosion.

YET MORE NUNALLY IS DEAD PROOF! Rolo is pretty thorough, as we've seen. He leaves people dead.

[sLum]

Then he's too arrogant for his own good if he didn't see loss as a possibility. Then again, most characters aren't much better in that regard, Lelouch included.

He probably thought
A- A WMD should have dettered OOBTK
B- He is the best knight in the world (rightfully so) ->didn't expect guren mark 4 to show up<-

Lelouch thought
A-Waging a war on Japan while Nunnally is still there was a good idea
B- Entrusting Rolo (psyco) with his beloved sister's rescue
:heh:

[Sinestra]

It would be just as one-sided, but at least they'd be enjoying themselves.

LOL true Kallen owns everyones ass. After going back watching the nice destruction that Suzaku released. I think over half of the black knights fighting force was in it and pretty much every remaining member of the Knights of Rounds too except for Knight of one who was fighting out at sea. Iv seen some theories that this FIELA or whatever its called is a teleporter HELL NO lets not forget who invented this thing it was Misery loves company Nina this weapon was built for one purpose destruction.

Also there is almost a full min to 2 min gap from when the bomb went off and from when we see Sayoko and Nunnally because the bomb exploded then the light expanded SLOWLY then it imploded. There is most def a time gap Nunnally is not dead till i see a body or body parts.

Anyone else think this alliance is falling apart just as it begins oh and Tamaki was useless yet again

[hero147]

What happens if Nunnally gained immortality somehow during the time-skip? Lulz.....Just throwing random inconclusive theories around.

[morbosfist]

He probably thought
A- A WMD should have dettered OOBTK
B- He is the best knight in the world (rightfully so) ->didn't expect guren mark 4 to show up<-

Lelouch thought
A-Waging a war on Japan while Nunnally is still there was a good idea
B- Entrusting Rolo (psyco) with his beloved sister's rescue
:heh:Quoted for truth. Well, mostly truth. If Suzaku really thinks he's the best in the world, he needs to get off his ass and challenge Bismarck for Knight of One.

[NextTime]

I dunno.

Maybe the fact that your leader sets out the organization to be all righteous and justice against the evil britannian empire and then here you have him running a secret operation that involves slaughtering unarmed civilians and children.

Usually that doesn't sit well with people.

I don't actually think that would be a deal-breaker for them, enough to bring out in the middle of a battle. I don't think of them as civilians.

But thinking about it more, maybe they figured out about Geass entirely after looking into the Geass group slaughter, and that Zero mind-controls people. Though still, I think the timing is retarded... Right in the middle of the biggest battle they question Zero? Maybe they found out he was a Brittanian prince. Even that doesn't make sense to me, though, because whatever his issues, Zero has shown himself to be a enemy of Brittania and the most effective in fighting them.

[NextTime]

Lelouch thought
A-Waging a war on Japan while Nunnally is still there was a good idea
B- Entrusting Rolo (psyco) with his beloved sister's rescue

Yeah, I was sure he had some plan to take care of Rolo in the middle of the operation. How could a genius like Lelouch do this? I guess he didn't realize Shirley got killed by Rolo's jealousy, and believed Rolo's story...


Anyone else think this alliance is falling apart just as it begins oh and Tamaki was useless yet again

Tamaki owns! <3 Give him more screen time!!

[sLum]

Quoted for truth. Well, mostly truth. If Suzaku really thinks he's the best in the world, he needs to get off his ass and challenge Bismarck for Knight of One.

Well thinking doesn't make him so but he is very good, I still say Bismarck is the strongest and the KoR (kallen/todoh) are equally matched. Suzaku is a wild card can't predict what he does with live geass.

[Traece]

Yeah, I was sure he had some plan to take care of Rolo in the middle of the operation. How could a genius like Lelouch do this? I guess he didn't realize Shirley got killed by Rolo's jealousy, and believed Rolo's story...



Tamaki owns! <3 Give him more screen time!!

Lol you don't give more screen time to people who get owned after their second line. His only positive aspect is that he's a brilliant escape artist. He's as good at living as Jeremiah.

As far as the Black Knights falling apart... I sort of have to blame Todou and his groupies for that, considering Asahina was the one that was pricking about and being annoying.

The Black Knights will probably go under, sadly... But not before some victory.

[Nvis]

They didn't add those two Valkyrie girls in the official site. :upset:
Those were good girls. :sad:

Ah well, back to Miya & purple-haired OoBK girl on Ikaruga. :D

[Eliarine]

...10/10.

;_________;

[morbosfist]

Well thinking doesn't make him so but he is very good, I still say Bismarck is the strongest and the KoR (kallen/todoh) are equally matched. Suzaku is a wild card can't predict what he does with live geass.I don't disagree with that assessment. I suspect Bismarck is going to take more than one person to kill. In light of that, it sure would be funny if Suzaku got his Lancelot tricked out to the Albion form then couldn't win.

[Aris]

i think most ppl missed a POSSIBLE theory of FREIJA

it basicallly sucks in all matters within its blast radius. leaving no wrecks/no burning ruins/no waves of compressed air vibrating outwards. (in fact, it sucks inwards)

it is much more of a gaint space/matter teleportation than it is a bomb.

and we also knnow king built a temple floating in mid air (SoA) and the thought elevator which seems to be a whole other dimension than our world.

so it is possible. that nina's bomb creates a portal to that world. and thats the reason the king is here. he needed enough energy/matter in his thought elevator to complete SoA. and is planning on using it after nina had this blast off.

no, i am not saying nunully is alive. they are dead in my eyes. but the method of that bomb is rather intriguing. and could explain king's presence.

and it is 99% certain that while charlie gained immorality, he lost his mind-rape gaess.
so it is unlikely hes here just to mass gaessing ppl.

[Poorboy93]

Eh, wow actually firing that freija nuke is gay. Suzaku isnt a stratigist but it doesnt take a lot of thinking to not accept the nuke. They should have gave it to loyd. Suzaku knows he has a live on geass, and he still accepted the nuke. Lulu is screwed over, with his betrayels, I see him going to drugs, aha or suicide and then Kallen slapping him. CC saying something kind. Rolo is going to know what lulu actually thinks about him. Nunnally is going to saved, she has her own series so she has to survive, that would be to akward having her live in one and die in another. My five cents

PS Charels is going to dance in the future

[FlareKnight]

At any rate I'm curious on how everything stands in terms of the battle for Japan. After that blast people started to pull out of that area. But can't see either side just abandoning it. So they just going to take a break and then go at it again? Seemed from that preview that Suzaku was in what was left of the area destroyed by Freya. Still with what seems to be internal struggles and Lelouch not being in any condition for planning wonder how it will all turn out. Of course if the new Guren is used that will settle things quickly.I don't disagree with that assessment. I suspect Bismarck is going to take more than one person to kill. In light of that, it sure would be funny if Suzaku got his Lancelot tricked out to the Albion form then couldn't win.Depends on who is sent up against him. The new Guren could probably win without much trouble. I'd expect the the new Lancelot when its up could probably perform similarly. At any rate Knight of One better watch his back :heh:.

[NextTime]

Eh, wow actually firing that freija nuke is gay. Suzaku isnt a stratigist but it doesnt take a lot of thinking to not accept the nuke. They should have gave it to loyd. Suzaku knows he has a live on geass, and he still accepted the nuke.

I think that was a better idea than leaving it behind with NINA. :p

[Traece]

Actually it was installed on the Lancelot without Suzaku's consent. Sorry guys. Just as well, proper channels.

[JesseJamesRocket]

I'll have more to say about this episode later, but for now all I can say is: Wow. Not only is Kallen back, but she kicks some serious ass now. This episode made me like her alot more.

[morbosfist]

Actually it was installed on the Lancelot without Suzaku's consent. Sorry guys. Just as well, proper channels.How is talking with Suzaku and Lloyd not consent? It's not like she said, "I'm putting on there whether you like it or not." She played her manipulative bitch card and got Suzaku to agree.

[Traece]

How is talking with Suzaku and Lloyd not consent? It's not like she said, "I'm putting on there whether you like it or not." She played her manipulative bitch card and got Suzaku to agree.

I don't recall Nina ASKING if she can put it on. I recall her talking about the weapon being fired.

In any case, Suzaku never says no, and Lloyd doesn't get her not to put it on.

Manipulation still defeats true consent anyhow.

[Poorboy93]

I think that was a better idea than leaving it behind with NINA. :p

Well he could have killed nina aka Stupid annoying bitch. Because of her Im scared of quiet people. Couldnt Suzaku just dump it in the ocean? Or throw it very far in the atmosphere, shoot it and say "I dont fight to kill". The messed with his character. Lulu was stupid for letting that pyscho Rolo rescue his sister. That be funny if Rolo and Nina fell in love, there meant for each other. They also should die when they fall in love xD annoying people, gotta hate them

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Things couldn't have gone worse for Suzaku even if he planned them himself. :upset:

The Lancelot gets completely out classed by the new Guren, he has the blood of millions of people on his hands and one of them being poor little blind and crippled Nunnaly. Now Lelouch will be completley out of his mind and by the next episode things will get even worse for him.

Not to say that Lelouch should of expected something like this (afterall it's crazy to assume they would drop such a weapon in the middle of a battle) but when you go to the Britannian's turf to commence military conflict you should expect the unexpected and Lulu seemed to exclude that from his strategy. It probably wasn't the smartest thing to initiate combat when the person you're trying to save is in the mist of the chaos, even if you have people attempting to save her.

Hopefuly with this being over, Nina will be gone, what a boring and annoying character.

[Karappo]

I may be alone in this sentiment, but this made me love Nina even more >_<!!
I think after seeing her first mas-err..."One-hand Lambada" to Euphy's picture, then go bizwacko when she found out she was killed made me a Nina supporter. Sure, she's insane and a mass murderer sort of. Who doesn't like that type(when they're fictional). I mean, I love Yuno and Rena, and those two are crazier, albeit less powerful, than Nina.

Just to sum it up, GO NINA!

Though it is depressing her weapon killed Nunnally and possibly Milly.

Besides that, the Anya subplot better start soon. Only 8 more episodes left >_>. Unless they plan to make yet another season, which isn't bad but it might be drain the quality. Also, more OugixVilleta :heh:

[morbosfist]

I don't recall Nina ASKING if she can put it on. I recall her talking about the weapon being fired.

In any case, Suzaku never says no, and Lloyd doesn't get her not to put it on.

Manipulation still defeats true consent anyhow.They note that she wants to equip it on the Lancelot, not that she will. That's when she goes manipulative. Lloyd's just not the type to say no to a new toy, and Suzaku is too indecisive to tell Nina off. You're right that her manipulation kept them from objecting in earnest, but they could have.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Well I will atleast agree that Nina was right to only entrust Suzaku with Freya even though it blew up in his face. Idk what would have happened if it went into the hands of like Luciano.

[NextTime]

Because of her Im scared of quiet people.

:heh::heh:

[aznegglover]

Nope. In fact, in the one part where she was about to die, she was rescued by Asahina, the one member of Toudou's inner circle (I don't remember what the term for those guys was, so...yeah) who ended up dying this episode.
The Four Holy Blades

Well, One now ._.

And.. I don't get why the hell the BKs would betray Zero. It makes no strategic sense. 1. They want Japan liberated. 2. They KNOW Zero is their ONLY chance of that ever happening (this has been stated like.. multiple times throughout the series). 3. They'll have to be RETARDED to betray their only chance of liberation

Ya

[Poorboy93]

Well I will atleast agree that Nina was right to only entrust Suzaku with Freya even though it blew up in his face. Idk what would have happened if it went into the hands of like Luciano.

I rather Luciano using it than Suzaku. Then Suzaku has a reason to join Zero, because Luciano killed Nunnaly

[Traece]

The Four Holy Blades

Well, One now ._.

And.. I don't get why the hell the BKs would betray Zero. It makes no strategic sense. 1. They want Japan liberated. 2. They KNOW Zero is their ONLY chance of that ever happening (this has been stated like.. multiple times throughout the series). 3. They'll have to be RETARDED to betray their only chance of liberation

Ya

People are stupid. When they accomplish things under leadership, they think they have the power to do it all again themselves.

Plus, they think they have choices to make. They don't realize that they're technically supposed to serve a purpose. They still act like they're part of a rebellion, when they're not. They're misguided and need to be disciplined properly.

[Sports72Xtrm]

The Four Holy Blades

Well, One now ._.

And.. I don't get why the hell the BKs would betray Zero. It makes no strategic sense. 1. They want Japan liberated. 2. They KNOW Zero is their ONLY chance of that ever happening (this has been stated like.. multiple times throughout the series). 3. They'll have to be RETARDED to betray their only chance of liberation

Ya

Why do people say that? Zero is one man. ONE MAN! He doesn't make that much of a difference anymore. The OotBK is strong enough to fight with out him which seems to be a good thing since all their plans fail since Lelouch is more concern about rescuing Nunally than the actual invasion. Although I am curious does UN betray him too or just the OotBK? I mean isn't the entire UN army just the OotBK?

[Karappo]

The Four Holy Blades

Well, One now ._.

And.. I don't get why the hell the BKs would betray Zero. It makes no strategic sense. 1. They want Japan liberated. 2. They KNOW Zero is their ONLY chance of that ever happening (this has been stated like.. multiple times throughout the series). 3. They'll have to be RETARDED to betray their only chance of liberation

Ya

They realize they were being used, and not in a good way, and go crazy about it. Sure, not the best of reasons but being used as a pawn without consent is a shock to most people.

[aznegglover]

People are stupid. When they accomplish things under leadership, they think they have the power to do it all again themselves.

Plus, they think they have choices to make. They don't realize that they're technically supposed to serve a purpose. They still act like they're part of a rebellion, when they're not. They're misguided and need to be disciplined properly.
Mm

I wanna see what exactly they do if they chuck Lelouch out the window

MOAR PETTEH VANDALISM A LA EPISODE 1 WHERE THEY BARELY DID MUCH

[shaolinx]

The Four Holy Blades

Well, One now ._.

And.. I don't get why the hell the BKs would betray Zero. It makes no strategic sense. 1. They want Japan liberated. 2. They KNOW Zero is their ONLY chance of that ever happening (this has been stated like.. multiple times throughout the series). 3. They'll have to be RETARDED to betray their only chance of liberation

Ya

I think it would be more of toudou and his crew betraying him cuz they found out that zero killed their beloved general. As for the rest of BK, they need zero... when hes sane, which he completely isnt right now :P

[aznegglover]

Why do people say that? Zero is one man. ONE MAN! He doesn't make that much of a difference anymore. The OotBK is strong enough to fight with out him which seems to be a good thing since all their plans fail since Lelouch is more concern about rescuing Nunally than the actual invasion. Although I am curious does UN betray him too or just the OotBK? I mean isn't the entire UN army just the OotBK?
And that one man provides the strategy and whatnot that they otherwise can't get :/

A mob of people isn't gonna do much against an organized army with strong leaders

[Bennyswan]

Okay, just saw the episode and all I got to say is... Holy shit.

You got to be kidding me, Nunnally dead(maybe)? Rolo alive? Har.. har.. :(

I got one thing to say, I'm sorry for doubting people who said that Suzaku would fire the Freya(or w/e) because of the Live geass.

Other then that really good episode 9/10, can't wait for the next one. :D

[DN24]

A mob of people isn't gonna do much against an organized army with strong leaders
__________________

That mobs of people IS also an organized army now,and they do have Xingke who can rival LL in term of strategy....
Plus how many BKs had their friends/family killed because of Zero scheming,probably a lot and they're not going to be happy after learning the truth

[hero147]

That mobs of people IS also an organized army now,and they do have Xingke who can rival LL in term of strategy....
Plus how many BKs had their friends/family killed because of Zero scheming,probably a lot and they're not going to be happy after learning the truth

Xingke can't destroy Britannia, which by the way controls 2/3 of the world. But the Black Knights dont know that.;)

[Micante]

This episode made Asahina my least favorite character, not that there's much left to hate now. Out of all the times when he could have gone rebel, he does it during the most important battle when their leader is on the frontlines. Somehow, I might be able to formulate that Asahina was partly responsible for Suzaku firing the Freya, but I don't want to tread that path for now.

With people like Asahina around, it's no wonder that Lelouch had no backup when Luciano showed up. I know that I can somehow blame Asahina for everything that went wrong for Lelouch this episode, but I won't bother since that already happened to him.

[Sports72Xtrm]

That mobs of people IS also an organized army now,and they do have Xingke who can rival LL in term of strategy....
Plus how many BKs had their friends/family killed because of Zero scheming,probably a lot and they're not going to be happy after learning the truth

It's just human nature. You know what I noticed? Nobody panics if things go according to plan. Even if the the plan is horrifying. If civilians have to die or soldiers have to die nobody panics. Because it's all part of the plan. But if I say that Zero dies? THEN EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR MINDS! OH WOES ME! WHAT WOULD WE EVER DO WITHOUT OUR MASTER! WE ARE TOO DUMB AND RETARDED TO THINK FOR OURSELVES!

[Discerptor]

It's just human nature. If civilians have to die or soldiers have to die nobody panics. Because it's all part of the plan. But if I say that Zero dies? THEN EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR MINDS! OH WOES ME! WHAT WOULD WE EVER DO WITHOUT OUR MASTER! WE ARE TOO DUMB AND RETARDED TO THINK FOR OURSELVES!

*slaps you* Good God, man. Get a hold of yourself!

[Bennyswan]

Because it's all part of the plan. But if I say that Zero dies? THEN EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR MINDS! OH WOES ME! WHAT WOULD WE EVER DO WITHOUT OUR MASTER! WE ARE TOO DUMB AND RETARDED TO THINK FOR OURSELVES!

Lol The Dark Knight....

putting that aside, my hate for Asahina went up too, if only the Freya was launched earlier before he could contact Toudou. :(

[aka Providence]

Well, it's the first time I yelled out fuck in the ten plus years I've been watching anime. 9.5/10... hell, I'll just go for 10.

[wtfftw]

This madness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO this is Code Geass

This ep was plain sick. I loved how kallen totally wrecked suzaku mecha. The Bomb exploding was simply insane. I have lost respect for schneizel. I mean stuff like a bomb and stuff should only be a threat but to actually allow it to happen simply insane.

LuLU i love ya bro. The dude has had so much shit to deal with OoBK suzaku emperor. pfff to do that all alone and come up with such a strategy respect. The only miscalculation im gonna hold him account for is the fact that he actually thought rolo was gonna bring nunnally to him. I mean Rolo killed shirley whats him to stop killing nunnally :confused:

OoBK is really dumb they revolt in the middle of a battle that so unproffesional shit its not even normal. You dont backfire half way to get owned by brittania and or lose your advantage.

[morbosfist]

I have lost respect for schneizel. I mean stuff like a bomb and stuff should only be a threat but to actually allow it to happen simply insane.A weapon of such magnitude can only be appreciated if it is used at least once. I cannot see Schneizel thinking any differently. If Suzaku hadn't used it, Schneizel would have found someone who would.

[Poorboy93]

A weapon of such magnitude can only be appreciated if it is used at least once. I cannot see Schneizel thinking any differently. If Suzaku hadn't used it, Schneizel would have found someone who would.

I would have liked it better if someone else used it

[morbosfist]

I would have liked it better if someone else used itWe all would. It would have stifled a lot of the blame debate. But no. Nina is a manipulative bitch and Suzaku took the burden on himself as usual. Bad things always come of it.

[CGraphics]

Ugh, this is the worst part of the anime.... waiting for the next episode >_>

[lilkwarrior@msn.com]

Some of you are not using too much logic regarding why Suzaku left with the Freija bomb; Do any of you REMEMBER what he said to Nina when she was trying to be crazy and pilot it herself" Do you have the courage to fire the Freija.... Even more do you have the courage NOT to fire the Freija? Suzaku was trying to prove, as well as, prove his loyalty that Schiezel challenged by going into battle to defeat his oldtime friend WHILE not having to use it. He wasn't going to use it, and he knew he wasn't; He even tried to use it to persuade/put fear into Lelouch and the Black Knights... At the same given, Lelouch ignored, but I have a feeling that they both know he wouldn't have used it logically at the government building. Of course, Lelouch has another reason to hate guess if he realizes (if he doesn't now) that the Geass live effect will kick it and make Suzaku practically unkillable.

Worse, Lelouch can be blamed for not using simple logic. Suzaku just mentioned the last time you guys meant about that Geass Effect still working, and keeping him alive. You want to kill him, but ignore this very fact while you have Jermiah who is able to cancel Geass. Yet you try to have people kill him constantly in odds that seem impossible for him to escape, but yet he lives? I HOPE he realizes this by the end..

[dr_patz]

I guess we could say that Nunnaly died because of Lulu cuz his the one to give the live on geass on Suzaku in the first place.

[shaolinx]

Ugh, this is the worst part of the anime.... waiting for the next episode >_>

lol agreed... ANOTHER FRIGGIN WEEK!

anyways, its really hard for me to predict how this will turn out. we still havnt got a clue what the emperor is planning to do, and it will be something crazy to end the series. iam pretty sure there is no s3 with all the dead characters :P

[Micante]

I guess we could say that Nunnaly died because of Lulu cuz his the one to give the live on geass on Suzaku in the first place.

It's ironic, really. Even if it was Rolo that killed her, it still would have been Lelouch's fault. He neglected Rolo's feelings and treated him like a tool. Rolo knew that the true affections he felt for Nunnally was not the same as the ones Lelouch felt towards Rolo, so he was jealous and hated her. If Lelouch just treated Rolo better, he wouldn't have hated Nunnally so much.

As for the Freya one. First, he completely ignored Suzaku's warning about carrying a warhead. Next, he ordered Kallen to completely kill Suzaku, but that's when Suzaku's Live Geass, which Lelouch put on him, kicked in to fire the warhead.

The rebellion Lelouch started for Nunnally would have lead to the death of Nunnally because of Lelouch's obvliousness to the feelings of other people. I hope this at least teaches Lelouch to be a bit more considerate...

[Worriors1]

It's ironic, really. Even if it was Rolo that killed her, it still would have been Lelouch's fault. He neglected Rolo's feelings and treated him like a tool. Rolo knew that the true affections he felt for Nunnally was not the same as the ones Lelouch felt towards Rolo, so he was jealous and hated her. If Lelouch just treated Rolo better, he wouldn't have hated Nunnally so much.

As for the Freya one. First, he completely ignored Suzaku's warning about carrying a warhead. Next, he ordered Kallen to completely kill Suzaku, but that's when Suzaku's Live Geass, which Lelouch put on him, kicked in to fire the warhead.


Always make friends with your sword before using it.
But then again, "Those who take the sword, will die by the sword." :rolleyes:

I agree with the Freya thing.
Then again, I wonder if Lelouch will take into account that they may have more than one? I forgot if they did or not..
He should've known by now Suzaku isn't really one to lie about things that could avoid people's deaths..
That, and you'd think he would know enough about war politics to know that one doesn't usually joke about owning a warhead... :uhoh:

[Ascaloth]

Lelouch doesn't know why Rolo truly killed Shirley, since he only heard that it was to "protect the secret" of his identity and what not. Enough to make him distrust Rolo and want to dispose of him even more, but not necessarily enough to make him believe Rolo would go kill Nunnally. There's been no sign of that particular animosity, at least not in Lelouch's eyes. The audience knows this very well, but not the protagonist.

As for oversights, big and small, the first season's Lelouch wasn't beyond them.

Perhaps, but even so I'd have thought Lelouch would have second thoughts about sending the guy who killed one of his best friends to rescue his sister. I know the first season's Lelouch wasn't immune to oversights, but this particular one was one I couldn't have seen him making.


I'm not surprised, considering how much new technology has already been introduced in both seasons of the show up to this point. I would have preferred if it had been done more gradually, as I did enjoy the more ground-based battles in season one, but by now I don't really mind that the show has gone in a different direction. I just enjoy it on a different level.

And well...overpowered Real Robot is what I'd call it and a whole bunch of unique KMFs we've seen lately plus those we may see in the future. Super Robots tend to have a whole bunch of other attributes (powered by spirit, sheer willpower, controlled by the pilot's emotions, etc. ), not just raw power and excessive abilities, though the line does blur and I can see why some people reach that conclusion.

Apart from technicalities differentiating the Super Robot and Real Robot genres aside.....meh, different strokes for different people, I guess. I just don't like that R2 has turned into the Gundam Tech Wars all over again.


I actually didn't have a problem with this, since he didn't have much of a chance of successfully running away without at least distracting Kallen, and the nuke pretty much did that, after Nina's urging and all.

But if I had to point out a flaw...the sequence has less animation than it would have required to be fully convincing, maybe. In fact, the whole episode used most of its animation up on the mecha scenes, and not all of them evenly.

You know.....I think you've effectively summarized what I didn't like about the whole deal, that being having less animation than it would take to be fully convincing. Thanks.


He was 100% under the control of the geass at that point, meaning that under its spell, he decided using Freyja was the only way to live. Besides, if he hadn't used it, so what if he dodged? Kallen would have gone after him and presumably killed him.

Stop blaming Suzaku for deliberately launching Frejya. Not only did he do it because of the geass, but he won't remember doing it because nobody remembers what they do when under Lelouch's geass.

In the end, it's an unfortunate accident caused by the geass.


Yay for taking my "I don't like how Suzaku pulled out FREIJA when it looked like he didn't need to" argument and turning it into a "why did he deliberately launch FREIJA" argument. You win a Strawman Trophy.

What? You're thinking he wanted to escape at the time and he could have dodged it, but if you watch the episode he says he was willing to accept death as atonement at that moment. The geass activated to prevent him from accepting Guren's attack and made him fire Freija in an attempt to destroy the target after his life. Freija was also the only weapon available to him at that point. He lost his beam rifle, sword, etc. It would be difficult for him to truly escape Kallen's mech which is superior in speed so I believe his LIVE geass took that into consideration.

Watch the episode again, he dodged Kallen's killing blow AFTER the Live Geass activated. There was no reason why he couldn't repeat the feat with Live Geass on. Like I said, there would have been no cause for complaint if it LOOKED like Suzaku was in a pinch even with Live Geass on, but it didn't look that way to me.

I'm going to follow Kusaja's lead and put it down to unconvincing animation, so perhaps there's no point continuing this, yes?

[EternalMelody]

Name one person other than Suzaku who didn't think Shirley's death was suicide? Also Suzaku has a rite to complain because he used a bomb against his will to kill Nunally no less. His dream of being Knight of One is all but crushed. He's gonna have to live the rest of his life knowing he didn't make life for the Japanese any better and in the end, he has gotten as many people killed as Lelouch. He's complaining because he to go against his beliefs. He doesn't hate that his enemies for trying to kill him but rather that he has to put himself first above the people he wants to protect. He needs the army to change the world so it's not like he can go back or do nothing. That would be a cop out response.

Rollo, and Lelouch

[morbosfist]

Suzaku was trying to prove, as well as, prove his loyalty that Schiezel challenged by going into battle to defeat his oldtime friend WHILE not having to use it. He wasn't going to use it, and he knew he wasn't; He even tried to use it to persuade/put fear into Lelouch and the Black Knights...He was deluding himself with that threat. Like I've said, such a weapon needs to be used to be taken seriously.

At the same given, Lelouch ignored, but I have a feeling that they both know he wouldn't have used it logically at the government building. Of course, Lelouch has another reason to hate guess if he realizes (if he doesn't now) that the Geass live effect will kick it and make Suzaku practically unkillable.Why should Lelouch believe Suzaku? The guy betrayed him as far as he knows. Also, the Geass doesn't make Suzaku unkillable. It makes him fight to the bitter end when he tries to give up. Kallen would have killed him if the bomb wasn't such a big distraction.

Worse, Lelouch can be blamed for not using simple logic. Suzaku just mentioned the last time you guys meant about that Geass Effect still working, and keeping him alive. You want to kill him, but ignore this very fact while you have Jermiah who is able to cancel Geass. Yet you try to have people kill him constantly in odds that seem impossible for him to escape, but yet he lives? I HOPE he realizes this by the end..Lelouch knows better than anyone how Geass works. He knew the command would be permanent when he gave it.

[DesuX2]

Lelouch has officially snapped, if his final phone call with Suzaku at the end of season 1 didn't fry his brain.

[EternalMelody]

You know the way Geass is meant to get stronger? What if Rolo managed to do a short but very wide burst of his Geass, and it turned out the technology in Freya was disrupted by it?

Just a thought. Until now he's only been able to "change the time that I feel", but maybe he has an affect on things other than neurons.

Rollo's geass is more like stopping people instead of stopping time. He stops people's thoughts, instead of physically stooping their limbs from moving, or stopping time.

[Nvis]

What if Lulu's Geass becomes two-eyed like Mao & C.C. , after this tragedy?

Seems like the writers are avoiding Lulu's Geass getting more powerful.

[Freya]

Rollo's geass is more like stopping people instead of stopping time. He stops people's thoughts, instead of physically stooping their limbs from moving, or stopping time.

Yeah. Or else he could just Geass everyone to death if he didn't have such a weakness.

[Divinegundam]

Some of you are not using too much logic regarding why Suzaku left with the Freija bomb; Do any of you REMEMBER what he said to Nina when she was trying to be crazy and pilot it herself" Do you have the courage to fire the Freija.... Even more do you have the courage NOT to fire the Freija? Suzaku was trying to prove, as well as, prove his loyalty that Schiezel challenged by going into battle to defeat his oldtime friend WHILE not having to use it. He wasn't going to use it, and he knew he wasn't; He even tried to use it to persuade/put fear into Lelouch and the Black Knights... At the same given, Lelouch ignored, but I have a feeling that they both know he wouldn't have used it logically at the government building. Of course, Lelouch has another reason to hate guess if he realizes (if he doesn't now) that the Geass live effect will kick it and make Suzaku practically unkillable.

Worse, Lelouch can be blamed for not using simple logic. Suzaku just mentioned the last time you guys meant about that Geass Effect still working, and keeping him alive. You want to kill him, but ignore this very fact while you have Jermiah who is able to cancel Geass. Yet you try to have people kill him constantly in odds that seem impossible for him to escape, but yet he lives? I HOPE he realizes this by the end..

This is stupid but i will entertain your logic. If Suzaku knew about his own "Live Geass" and how and why it kicks in why would he allow himself to be killed by Kallen with a WMD strapped to his KMF.

[Freya]

What if Lulu's Geass becomes two-eyed like Mao & C.C. , after this tragedy?

Seems like the writers are avoiding Lulu's Geass getting more powerful.

I don't see how making his Geass in both eyes any helpful. I don't think you get more powers or something.

[morbosfist]

This is stupid but i will entertain your logic. If Suzaku knew about his own "Live Geass" and how and why it kicks in why would he allow himself to be killed by Kallen with a WMD strapped to his KMF.Because he's an idiot. He knows how his live Geass works enough to complain about it to Lelouch during their meeting.

[Divinegundam]

What if Lulu's Geass becomes two-eyed like Mao & C.C. , after this tragedy?

Seems like the writers are avoiding Lulu's Geass getting more powerful.

No just wait and see; i feel their saving it for something bigger than Freija

[Claies]

Somehow FLEIYA's (what the hell's wrong with people and their acronyms) explosion was less epic-looking as I expected it to be. Although...there's still a huge crater.

I wonder how Asahina managed to get a recording mid-battle when he could be shot at any point. >_>;;

[morbosfist]

I don't see how making his Geass in both eyes any helpful. I don't think you get more powers or something.We can't be sure. Maybe he'll get to pass the one-use limit or get a longer range.

[Divinegundam]

Because he's an idiot. He knows how his live Geass works enough to complain about it to Lelouch during their meeting.

Yup

Like i said lilkwarrior@msn. com; Suzaku is 65% to blame at the very best.

[Micante]

Somehow FLEIYA's (what the hell's wrong with people and their acronyms) explosion was less epic-looking as I expected it to be. Although...there's still a huge crater.

I wonder how Asahina managed to get a recording mid-battle when he could be shot at any point. >_>;;

Two words. Plot Convenience.

I kind of miss the Valkyrie squads even though we know nothing about them. With the ending pic of them a few eps ago, you'd think they'd be a little more important.

[Worriors1]

I wonder how Asahina managed to get a recording mid-battle when he could be shot at any point. >_>;;

You know. I've actually began thinking about that.
For some reason, I believe he recorded it, then pretty much messed it up, like added extra words or dorked around with it in general. Maybe he had that voice-contraption thingy that Rolo used in episode 4?

...
Then again, that's completely ludacris, unless he managed to get away from the fight long enough..
Sorry, there must be something inside my drink. :eyespin:

[aka Providence]

Methinks almost evreyone involved could be blamed; Suzaku was overconfident that he would not use Freya, Lelouche geassing Suzaku was flawed in the long-term, and he sent Rollo to try to rescue Nunnally, Kallen destroying Suzaku to the point where his geass makes him use Freya. Hell, I'd blame Nunnally for just standing there, but I'm too depressed.

[amjzz]

Whoa....it seems that nunnally died. But cant be sure since only appeared a pink light and then the explotion....

That weapon was really strong, and was used without really a reason....it was activated by the "live" order that lelouch gave to suzaku...

[aka Providence]

We can't be sure. Maybe he'll get to pass the one-use limit or get a longer range.

Or he gets to fire laser beams from his eyes.

Wait... what the hell happened to Jeremiah? Where was he during the last parts of the episode?

[shaolinx]

Wait... what the hell happened to Jeremiah? Where was he during the last parts of the episode?

LOL, yeah he fell out of battle...

[aka Providence]

^here's hoping he manages to protect someone from the royal family this time.

[miroku2192]

Okay, honestly, to the audience/viewers, it's prolli really obvious that rolo is always "reacting" to the word nunally or the mention of her name...to lelouche, meaning from his perspective, he doesnt see what the viewers see...and so it's possible that he overlooked the fact that rolo was an unstable bitch ready to stab nunally the first chance he got...yeah it seems like a dumb mistake on lulus part, but thats because you're all basing the facts on stuff the viewers see, not what lulu sees

*edit*

also, as for hating on suzaku? it's not his fault...you guys say it's his fault for bringing out the freya...well excuse me, did it look like he was going to use it? hell no...he was trying ot threaten/scare lulu to back down

2) it was lulu's own fault, his live on geass screwed himself over

and by no means am i a fanboy of suzaku, i kinda dislike him...but i hate how everyone is hating on him for no reason...half the people arent taking real facts into consideration

[Micante]

You know. I've actually began thinking about that.
For some reason, I believe he recorded it, then pretty much messed it up, like added extra words or dorked around with it in general. Maybe he had that voice-contraption thingy that Rolo used in episode 4?

...
Then again, that's completely ludacris, unless he managed to get away from the fight long enough..
Sorry, there must be something inside my drink. :eyespin:

That would just make me hate him even more. His allies are dropping down one by one and he's tinkering with a recording to make their leader look bad and cause confusion among their own ranks? Well, at least Freya was good for one thing, eliminating Asahina.

I wish we were more acquainted with the Valkyrie Squad, they looked like interesting people. Too bad they had to restrain Shinkirou which led to their deaths.

[Nvis]

Wait... what the hell happened to Jeremiah? Where was he during the last parts of the episode?

He and his abomination of a KF was beside the Ikaruga.

[Cat Megex]

He and his abomination of a KMF was beside the Ikaruga.

The term used for the original Siegfried was "Knight Giga Fortress", and I don't see why that term can't be applied to the Sutherland Sieg as well.

[Kayin]

All I can say is that I'm eagerly awaiting a horrible death for Nina.

I loathe that scrawny bitch.

[Nvis]

Forget Nina, Rolo & hated others, how the heck did someone like Tamaki survive (most likely)? :heh:

Tamaki is like the Master Escape Magician.

[morbosfist]

also, as for hating on suzaku? it's not his fault...you guys say it's his fault for bringing out the freya...well excuse me, did it look like he was going to use it? hell no...he was trying ot threaten/scare lulu to back down

2) it was lulu's own fault, his live on geass screwed himself over

and by no means am i a fanboy of suzaku, i kinda dislike him...but i hate how everyone is hating on him for no reason...half the people arent taking real facts into considerationHonestly, I shouldn't bring this up again having already argued it at length, but oh well.

It is his fault for bringing out Freya, and he is responsible in part for it being fired. He fell for Nina's manipulative bitch routine and let her attach it in the first place. Then he decided to take it out and use it in a poorly conceived attempt to scare Lelouch into submission. "I have a ridiculously powerful bomb no one's ever seen before, surrender." C'mon, he can't be that dense. Granted, Nina was trying to take the Lancelot herself, but he didn't need to put up with her nonsense. "No, get away from my Lancelot," would have sufficed. He got the live Geass in the first place because he couldn't be reasoned with. Sure Lelouch could have just ordered him to run off somewhere, but he cared for Suzaku and wanted to see him live. Suzaku was self-destructive so Lelouch put a stop to it. Finally, despite complaining about how much of a curse this live Geass is, he forgets about it and again resolves to die, triggering this whole mess.

[Micante]

Forget Nina, Rolo & hated others, how the heck did someone like Tamaki survive (most likely)? :heh:

Tamaki is like the Master Escape Magician.

Tamaki's not that bad... sure, he has a lot of hot air and thinks highly of himself, but doesn't Kallen do that as well? The thing is, Tamaki just doesn't have the skills like Kallen to back it up.

In actuality, Tamaki's not that bad of a character. Sure, he can be annoying at times and his loyalty to Zero will sometimes waver, but at least he isn't like "leave the battle to get some dirt on the leader" Asahina.

[Worriors1]

Okay, honestly, to the audience/viewers, it's prolli really obvious that rolo is always "reacting" to the word nunally or the mention of her name...to lelouche, meaning from his perspective, he doesnt see what the viewers see...and so it's possible that he overlooked the fact that rolo was an unstable bitch ready to stab nunally the first chance he got...yeah it seems like a dumb mistake on lulus part, but thats because you're all basing the facts on stuff the viewers see, not what lulu sees

Well yeah. But he's not always reacting to it. Only recently has he actually begun getting 'violent' about it.

Lelouch already pretty much assumed that Shirley's cause of death was something more than what Rolo said. 'Kids a compulsive liar, he futhur lied and even Lelouch should know human beings aren't pawns. They have the ability to think for themselves - That is, when allowed to do so.
If Lelouch would start seeing them as people, the Order, Japan, Rolo, ect, he probably would've been able to keep his organization together.
Now it's slowly falling apart. He's not playing a game and that's how his mind sees things - currently.

But yes, he didn't know that Shirley mentioned Nunnally before her death, I'll give him credit for that. But even I would know -Without a genius IQ- that if I had a false sibling, there is bound to be tensions. I know someone made a relation to a newborn child in the family, and how they get all the attention and the older siblings don't, and I think he should be able to see that scenario unwraveling.

Then again, if I was Rolo, I probably wouldn't have any ill-intentions toward someone who wants to be my sibling, I mean, hey. Nunnally is nice enough.. Lelouch probably isn't.. :uhoh:

What I'm trying to say is that Lelouch should understand, by this point, ESPICALLY after Rolo asked if he 'Wanted him to kill Suzaku' that he was mentally unstable. I just can't find an excuse for Lelouch in this case. I don't know if Lelouch knows that he has NO qualms about team kills and stuff, but my gosh. You'd think they'd have a sanity record somewhere..

But yes. I suppose he just thought that if anyone could do it, Rolo could. And he probably figured at the time that Rolo was so devoted to him, he wouldn't dare go against orders.
Well, SURPRISE FREAKIN' SURPRISE! :rolleyes:

[aka Providence]

Hell, if Nina doesn't feel the least bit guilty next episode, then it'll finally be the time when I despise her.

[miroku2192]

Honestly, I shouldn't bring this up again having already argued it at length, but oh well.

It is his fault for bringing out Freya, and he is responsible in part for it being fired. He fell for Nina's manipulative bitch routine and let her attach it in the first place. Then he decided to take it out and use it in a poorly conceived attempt to scare Lelouch into submission. "I have a ridiculously powerful bomb no one's ever seen before, surrender." C'mon, he can't be that dense. Granted, Nina was trying to take the Lancelot herself, but he didn't need to put up with her nonsense. "No, get away from my Lancelot," would have sufficed. He got the live Geass in the first place because he couldn't be reasoned with. Sure Lelouch could have just ordered him to run off somewhere, but he cared for Suzaku and wanted to see him live. Suzaku was self-destructive so Lelouch put a stop to it. Finally, despite complaining about how much of a curse this live Geass is, he forgets about it and again resolves to die, triggering this whole mess.
oh and what do you think woud've happened if suzaku didn't bring freya with him...oh right the dumb b!tch would do something and kill the whole world in the process... it's not his fault for getting geassed...all im saying is lelouche brought all this crap upon himself because he made stupid moves

im just trying to say its more lulu's fault than it is suzakus...deep down he wanted to give up...deep down he didn't want to use freya...it's the geass that triggered him into firing freya...

[nightwyrm]

Tamaki's not that bad... sure, he has a lot of hot air and thinks highly of himself, but doesn't Kallen do that as well? The thing is, Tamaki just doesn't have the skills like Kallen to back it up.

In actuality, Tamaki's not that bad of a character. Sure, he can be annoying at times and his loyalty to Zero will sometimes waver, but at least he isn't like "leave the battle to get some dirt on the leader" Asahina.

I find Tamaki to be hilarious. Him always calling Zero his best buddy gets a laugh out of me in this rather depressing episode.

[sLum]

Honestly, I shouldn't bring this up again having already argued it at length, but oh well.

It is his fault for bringing out Freya, and he is responsible in part for it being fired. He fell for Nina's manipulative bitch routine and let her attach it in the first place. Then he decided to take it out and use it in a poorly conceived attempt to scare Lelouch into submission. "I have a ridiculously powerful bomb no one's ever seen before, surrender." C'mon, he can't be that dense. Granted, Nina was trying to take the Lancelot herself, but he didn't need to put up with her nonsense. "No, get away from my Lancelot," would have sufficed. He got the live Geass in the first place because he couldn't be reasoned with. Sure Lelouch could have just ordered him to run off somewhere, but he cared for Suzaku and wanted to see him live. Suzaku was self-destructive so Lelouch put a stop to it. Finally, despite complaining about how much of a curse this live Geass is, he forgets about it and again resolves to die, triggering this whole mess.

He didn't mean to use it. No one had expected Guren Saiten Type 8 (or whatever it is) coming into the fray. Again he would have rather died than use it, it was meant as a bluff but Lelouch didn't care about anyone but his own personal satisfaction at that point. Personally I loved Nunnally, she was my favorite character of the entire series and it saddens me Lelouch didn't think making a war in Japan wouldn't endanger her.

[miroku2192]

Well yeah. But he's not always reacting to it. Only recently has he actually begun getting 'violent' about it.

Lelouch already pretty much assumed that Shirley's cause of death was something more than what Rolo said. 'Kids a compulsive liar, he futhur lied and even Lelouch should know human beings aren't pawns. They have the ability to think for themselves - That is, when allowed to do so.
If Lelouch would start seeing them as people, the Order, Japan, Rolo, ect, he probably would've been able to keep his organization together.
Now it's slowly falling apart. He's not playing a game and that's how his mind sees things - currently.

But yes, he didn't know that Shirley mentioned Nunnally before her death, I'll give him credit for that. But even I would know -Without a genius IQ- that if I had a false sibling, there is bound to be tensions. I know someone made a relation to a newborn child in the family, and how they get all the attention and the older siblings don't, and I think he should be able to see that scenario unwraveling.

Then again, if I was Rolo, I probably wouldn't have any ill-intentions toward someone who wants to be my sibling, I mean, hey. Nunnally is nice enough.. Lelouch probably isn't.. :uhoh:

What I'm trying to say is that Lelouch should understand, by this point, ESPICALLY after Rolo asked if he 'Wanted him to kill Suzaku' that he was mentally unstable. I just can't find an excuse for Lelouch in this case. I don't know if Lelouch knows that he has NO qualms about team kills and stuff, but my gosh. You'd think they'd have a sanity record somewhere..

But yes. I suppose he just thought that if anyone could do it, Rolo could. And he probably figured at the time that Rolo was so devoted to him, he wouldn't dare go against orders.
Well, SURPRISE FREAKIN' SURPRISE! :rolleyes:

the more i think about it, the more irony i see in the situation, and it's frigging hilaroius...lulu trying to kill rolo behind his back...and rolo is in a way harming lulu behind his back (pretty much killing him by killing nunally ;X)

[Micante]

Well yeah. But he's not always reacting to it. Only recently has he actually begun getting 'violent' about it.

Lelouch already pretty much assumed that Shirley's cause of death was something more than what Rolo said. 'Kids a compulsive liar, he futhur lied and even Lelouch should know human beings aren't pawns. They have the ability to think for themselves - That is, when allowed to do so.
If Lelouch would start seeing them as people, the Order, Japan, Rolo, ect, he probably would've been able to keep his organization together.
Now it's slowly falling apart. He's not playing a game and that's how his mind sees things - currently.

But yes, he didn't know that Shirley mentioned Nunnally before her death, I'll give him credit for that. But even I would know -Without a genius IQ- that if I had a false sibling, there is bound to be tensions. I know someone made a relation to a newborn child in the family, and how they get all the attention and the older siblings don't, and I think he should be able to see that scenario unwraveling.

Then again, if I was Rolo, I probably wouldn't have any ill-intentions toward someone who wants to be my sibling, I mean, hey. Nunnally is nice enough.. Lelouch probably isn't.. :uhoh:

What I'm trying to say is that Lelouch should understand, by this point, ESPICALLY after Rolo asked if he 'Wanted him to kill Suzaku' that he was mentally unstable. I just can't find an excuse for Lelouch in this case. I don't know if Lelouch knows that he has NO qualms about team kills and stuff, but my gosh. You'd think they'd have a sanity record somewhere..

But yes. I suppose he just thought that if anyone could do it, Rolo could. And he probably figured at the time that Rolo was so devoted to him, he wouldn't dare go against orders.
Well, SURPRISE FREAKIN' SURPRISE! :rolleyes:

Rolo's orders were to find Nunnally. He had every intention of finding Nunnally... and then adding his own touches. I really hope by now that Lelouch would be more considerate to the feelings of others, hasn't his complete obliviousness caused enough damage already!

However, seeing the preview, he'll probably treat everyone close to him like punching bags instead of people. Lesson unlearnt. For a genius, Lelouch can be really dense sometimes.

[Ronin Aquila]

Hell, if Nina doesn't feel the least bit guilty next episode, then it'll finally be the time when I despise her.

Unlike our Eistein, Nina is not a human being. Of course she wouldn't feel one atom of remorse for what she did.

And who else felt a chill running down his or her spine watching the narration free and eerily quiet previews for the next episode? Almost as if it is reflecting the blank stage that is Zero's mind right now?

[morbosfist]

oh and what do you think woud've happened if suzaku didn't bring freya with him...oh right the dumb b!tch would do something and kill the whole world in the process... it's not his fault for getting geassed...all im saying is lelouche brought all this crap upon himself because he made stupid moves

im just trying to say its more lulu's fault than it is suzakus...deep down he wanted to give up...deep down he didn't want to use freya...it's the geass that triggered him into firing freya...It isn't Lulu's fault. He does not control how Suzaku's Geass activates. He only determined when it would activate. He also didn't know Suzaku was telling the truth about the bomb. Also, it is Suzaku's fault for getting Geassed. He was going to get Lulu killed just to follow orders. If you put yourself in the line of fire, don't be surprised when someone shoots you.

On the subject of the bomb, Suzaku had the detonator. He could have left it on the floor and Nina would be screwed.

Finally, and again, Suzaku knows about his Geass. He knows how and when it activates. He was negligent by forgetting about it in such an important situation.

He didn't mean to use it. No one had expected Guren Saiten Type 8 (or whatever it is) coming into the fray. Again he would have rather died than use it, it was meant as a bluff but Lelouch didn't care about anyone but his own personal satisfaction at that point. Personally I loved Nunnally, she was my favorite character of the entire series and it saddens me Lelouch didn't think making a war in Japan wouldn't endanger her.Of course he didn't mean to, but he set it up so it could be used. Bluffs only work when people think you have the cards. Suzaku made no effort to prove his point. As for Nunnally, he was trying to get her to safety. You can't say he hadn't considered the danger he was putting her in.

[Rising Dragon]

It'd be hilarious if Tamaki actually sticks by Zero after the Betrayal. Though I don't see that happening.

[Worriors1]

That would just make me hate him even more. His allies are dropping down one by one and he's tinkering with a recording to make their leader look bad and cause confusion among their own ranks? Well, at least Freya was good for one thing, eliminating Asahina.

I wish we were more acquainted with the Valkyrie Squad, they looked like interesting people. Too bad they had to restrain Shinkirou which led to their deaths.
Yes. I used to like Asahina.. Well, actually, I never really hated any of the characters..
But anyways, I just now realised how weird that theory I posted was. He would've had to have a past recording of the dude's voice I think for that to work. But hey, maybe his friend dying was the final straw. He was just like, "Oh. Forget this! IT'S FREAKING ON, BUDDY!"
But I mean, you have to admit, when one starts to think their leader is leading them to certain death, it's natural to try to do ANYTHING to prevent your comrades from dying, even if that means disgracing yourself and sinking to a low level. Yes, people were dying already, but he didn't want anymore to die.

Tamaki's not that bad... sure, he has a lot of hot air and thinks highly of himself, but doesn't Kallen do that as well? The thing is, Tamaki just doesn't have the skills like Kallen to back it up.

In actuality, Tamaki's not that bad of a character. Sure, he can be annoying at times and his loyalty to Zero will sometimes waver, but at least he isn't like "leave the battle to get some dirt on the leader" Asahina.

"Aint' bragging if you can do it."
:heh:
Love Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries.

[Divinegundam]

Okay, honestly, to the audience/viewers, it's prolli really obvious that rolo is always "reacting" to the word nunally or the mention of her name...to lelouche, meaning from his perspective, he doesnt see what the viewers see...and so it's possible that he overlooked the fact that rolo was an unstable bitch ready to stab nunally the first chance he got...yeah it seems like a dumb mistake on lulus part, but thats because you're all basing the facts on stuff the viewers see, not what lulu sees

*edit*

also, as for hating on suzaku? it's not his fault...you guys say it's his fault for bringing out the freya...well excuse me, did it look like he was going to use it? hell no...he was trying ot threaten/scare lulu to back down

2) it was lulu's own fault, his live on geass screwed himself over

and by no means am i a fanboy of suzaku, i kinda dislike him...but i hate how everyone is hating on him for no reason...half the people arent taking real facts into consideration

Here is my previous post(don't feel like typing a new one) i see you share the same logic as lilkwarrior@msn. com

This is stupid but i will entertain your logic. If Suzaku knew about his own "Live Geass" and how and why it kicks in why would he allow himself to be killed by Kallen with a WMD strapped to his KMF.

[Kayin]

There are many reasons to hate Nina, mostly because she has no redeeming qualities with her character. Rolo can be pitied because Lulu IS using him, and I don't think he's stupid enough to be completely blind to that.

Nina on the other hand...she's anti-social, is obsessed with Euphie in disgusting ways and only lives to kill the person who destroyed her obsession. She's also invented the Code Geass version of the atomic bomb, and she didn't do it to end the war or bring peace, she just did it to kill Zero - for revenge. Everyone is scared to use that weapon except her, because she's freaking nuts.

Really, she's just one of those people you want to slap and say, "you're a crazy bitch!"

[El_Lazy_Mexican]

However, seeing the preview, he'll probably treat everyone close to him like punching bags instead of people. Lesson unlearnt. For a genius, Lelouch can be really dense sometimes.

I like to see you actually think logically when your sister and reason for a rebellion just got nuked by your best friend. :rolleyes:

[Rising Dragon]

This is stupid but i will entertain your logic. If Suzaku knew about his own "Live Geass" and how and why it kicks in why would he allow himself to be killed by Kallen with a WMD strapped to his KMF.

If Suzaku didn't know about his "live" Geass, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE ASK WHY LELOUCH PUT IT ON HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE!?

[miroku2192]

It isn't Lulu's fault. He does not control how Suzaku's Geass activates. He only determined when it would activate. He also didn't know Suzaku was telling the truth about the bomb. Also, it is Suzaku's fault for getting Geassed. He was going to get Lulu killed just to follow orders. If you put yourself in the line of fire, don't be surprised when someone shoots you.

On the subject of the bomb, Suzaku had the detonator. He could have left it on the floor and Nina would be screwed.

Finally, and again, Suzaku knows about his Geass. He knows how and when it activates. He was negligent by forgetting about it in such an important situation.

Of course he didn't mean to, but he set it up so it could be used. Bluffs only work when people think you have the cards. Suzaku made no effort to prove his point. As for Nunnally, he was trying to get her to safety. You can't say he hadn't considered the danger he was putting her in.
he forgot? yeah he did, but that doesn't mean it's his fault...who gave him that geass? oh right lulu did...lulu should know better than anyone that it's a bad idea to kill someone who's under the live on geass...he should've told kallen to restrain him instead of telling her to kill him...
secondly, it IS lulu's fault for not listening to suzaku's warning...he was given the warning

that's like saying it's completely the US's fault for bombing Japan even though they told them to back off/give up

it's not suzaku's fault. again, im just saying it's lulu's problems...had he never led a rebellion, he'd be with nunally...had he never, yea yo uget the point

[Micante]

"Aint' bragging if you can do it."
:heh:
Love Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries.

Black Knight: Kallen! Your energy hasn't been refilled! You can't take down the Shen-Hu like this!
Kallen: Don't worry, I'm the Ace of the Black Knights! I'll beat him before my energy runs out!
*Kallen gets captured*
Kallen: Well, that could have gone better.

Kallen is very much hot-headed as well. There's numerous times when she thought too highly of herself and lost because of that. Tamaki, on the other hand, always thinks too highly of himself and always loses because of that.

[Divinegundam]

If Suzaku didn't know about his "live" Geass, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE ASK WHY LELOUCH PUT IT ON HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE!?

Please explain your point because obviously he knows about it.


My statement was sarcastic and forcing the OP to look at the fallacies of his statement

[Rising Dragon]

Please explain your point because obviously he knows about it.

You tell me, you were the one who questioned if he knew about it.

[miroku2192]

Here is my previous post(don't feel like typing a new one) i see you share the same logic as lilkwarrior@msn. com

and like i said to the other guy, if lulu was the one who geassed suzaku, why didn't lulu remember the live on geass and restrain him as opposed to trying to kill him.

people forget things in the heat of a battle...it's still not suzaku's fault for trying to bluff/end the fight

[miroku2192]

If Suzaku didn't know about his "live" Geass, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE ASK WHY LELOUCH PUT IT ON HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE!?

woah don't jump the gun buddy, that's not what he meant haha...

[Rising Dragon]

woah don't jump the gun buddy, that's not what he meant haha...

If that's not what he meant, then he worded it poorly, because to me that sounded like he questioned whether or not Suzaku actually knew about it.

[morbosfist]

he forgot? yeah he did, but that doesn't mean it's his fault...who gave him that geass? oh right lulu did...lulu should know better than anyone that it's a bad idea to kill someone who's under the live on geass...he should've told kallen to restrain him instead of telling her to kill him...
secondly, it IS lulu's fault for not listening to suzaku's warning...he was given the warningA warning that had no frame of reference and no proof. I shall cover this more in my response to the next line. Yes, it is his fault for forgetting. It's like forgetting what you're allergic to. There's just no excuse for forgetting about such a potentially dangerous ailment. And it is not a bad idea to kill someone who lives by any means, it just means they're harder to kill.

that's like saying it's completely the US's fault for bombing Japan even though they told them to back off/give upThe US told Japan even less than what Suzaku told Lelouch. The ultimatum the US gave more or less went, "Give up or you will be destroyed." They never mentioned the bomb.

it's not suzaku's fault. again, im just saying it's lulu's problems...had he never led a rebellion, he'd be with nunally...had he never, yea yo uget the pointUgh, don't do this "trace back to the beginning" crap. It's a weak argument. The fact is Suzaku dragged the nuke out there thinking he'd never use it and that thought bit him in the ass.

[miroku2192]

If that's not what he meant, then he worded it poorly, because to me that sounded like he questioned whether or not Suzaku actually knew about it.

uh i don't want to bash you, but maybe you just have problems comprehending other's words...i understood it perfectly fine, and im pretty sure others understood it as well

maybe english isn't your first language? that could be a reason...it's not exactly easy for those who pick up english to easily spot sarcasm (and i am in no means trying to bash you)

[aka Providence]

Hm, two things that Suzaku should have done instead of resigning himself to get killed, which in turn, made him use Freya:

1. eject himself from Lancelot (though I don't think his Knightmare has that capability)
2. try to block Kallen's attack. It'll kill him, most likely, but at least it has the advantage of not activating the geass.

Honestly this just makes me think Suzaku isn't the shiniest Knightmare in the hangar. I gave up all hope when Suzaku said atonement, the same way Shirley mentioned Nunnaly to Rolo.

[Divinegundam]

and like i said to the other guy, if lulu was the one who geassed suzaku, why didn't lulu remember the live on geass and restrain him as opposed to trying to kill him.

people forget things in the heat of a battle...it's still not suzaku's fault for trying to bluff/end the fight

Listen if we were about to fight, after i just sold you out, and said wait don't fight me because i have super strong fist that will knock you out if I throw it at you; what would you do?

[Worriors1]

Black Knight: Kallen! Your energy hasn't been refilled! You can't take down the Shen-Hu like this!
Kallen: Don't worry, I'm the Ace of the Black Knights! I'll beat him before my energy runs out!
*Kallen gets captured*
Kallen: Well, that could have gone better.

Kallen is very much hot-headed as well. There's numerous times when she thought too highly of herself and lost because of that. Tamaki, on the other hand, always thinks too highly of himself and always loses because of that.

Ulk. Actually, it might be wiser for Lelouch to get some mercs. I mean, they'll pretty much do anything and be pretty loyal to you, no matter what, as long as your paying them what they want.
Just steal the Orders fortune before they turn, buy some mercs, take over Japan..
It could work.

I hate it when people think highly of themselves, but hey, we're only human.
Tamaki should just cool the frick down. I'd laugh if the only time he could competently pilot a knightmare was when he was ranting about something.
Kallen: OI! TAMAKI, YOU SUCK AT THIS!
Tamaki: SHUT-UP. ATLEAST ZERO TRUSTS ME MORE.
Kallen: Stfu, *blows up some stuff with the Guren* Your obviously a failure, go join Rolo.
Tamaki: AUGH! THAT'S IT WOMAN, I'M SICK OF YOU PEOPLE STEPPING ON ME!
*Seeths and fumes while completely demolishing Britannia*
Kallen: Holy Shi-!
Tamaki: IT'S YOUR TURN!

[morbosfist]

Speaking of Tamaki, damn is this guy dense.

Tamaki: Where's Zero, my best buddy?
*Freaking laser light show in the sky to his left.*

[Divinegundam]

Hm, two things that Suzaku should have done instead of resigning himself to get killed, which in turn, made him use Freya:

1. eject himself from Lancelot (though I don't think his Knightmare has that capability)
2. try to block Kallen's attack. It'll kill him, most likely, but at least it has the advantage of not activating the geass.

Honestly this just makes me think Suzaku isn't the shiniest Knightmare in the hangar.

haha at 1; after a year and some month still no ejection lol:heh:

[El_Lazy_Mexican]

it's not suzaku's fault. again, im just saying it's lulu's problems...had he never led a rebellion, he'd be with nunally...had he never, yea yo uget the point

Actually, if there was no Rebellion with Zero, i think Lelouch would of died in Episode 1 xD

And I agree, Suzaku was not to blame because if Lelouch didn't ordered kallen to kill him, Suzaku wouldn't have nuked Tokyo and then we'd still have everyone A OK.

Cept Maybe Rolo would've Geass Slice'd Nunnally and a few others and told Lelouch the same thing he did because he is just that jealous of her. *points to Shirley Death Scene on youtube*:rolleyes:

[miroku2192]

A warning that had no frame of reference and no proof. I shall cover this more in my response to the next line. Yes, it is his fault for forgetting. It's like forgetting what you're allergic to. There's just no excuse for forgetting about such a potentially dangerous ailment. And it is not a bad idea to kill someone who lives by any means, it just means they're harder to kill.

The US told Japan even less than what Suzaku told Lelouch. The ultimatum the US gave more or less went, "Give up or you will be destroyed." They never mentioned the bomb.

Ugh, don't do this "trace back to the beginning" crap. It's a weak argument. The fact is Suzaku dragged the nuke out there thinking he'd never use it and that thought bit him in the ass.

I understand what you're trying to say...with the whole it's suzaku's fault for bringing out the nuke in the first place, but what's he gonna do going into the battle empty handed? we've got an unstable nina back there who'll probably harm more people if he didn't bring it.

also, what's he gonna do? if he went up to lulu and was like "yeah i got a nuke that can blow up the whole place, just end the war...and if you don't, well wait for me first, let me go back, pick it up, come back, and then blow u up" It just doesn't fit.

The fact that he never intended to use it was the most important thing.
The fact that lelouche wouldn't even consider what suzaku said is more of a mistake than suzaku bringing out the nuke.
Suzaku forgetting about his geass, yes, to a certain degree is his fault, but it's uncontrollable sometimes

although the only thing im confused about is...remember how in season 1 lulu cast a geass on this girl to mark the stuff on the bricks of the school? when he came back she stopped doing it, so either 1) geass died out or 2) she died

so wtf is up with suzaku's geass staying active/dormant for so long?

[Divinegundam]

Speaking of Tamaki, damn is this guy dense.

Tamaki: Where's Zero, my best buddy?
*Freaking laser light show in the sky to his left.*

:heh::heh::heh::heh: yup just watched it

[Nvis]

Wait... what the hell happened to Jeremiah? Where was he during the last parts of the episode?

He was fighting against Gino/Tristan before the Fleija. (when Suzaku chatting with Kallen).

And beside Ikaruga after Fleija.

[Micante]

I understand what you're trying to say...with the whole it's suzaku's fault for bringing out the nuke in the first place, but what's he gonna do going into the battle empty handed? we've got an unstable nina back there who'll probably harm more people if he didn't bring it.

also, what's he gonna do? if he went up to lulu and was like "yeah i got a nuke that can blow up the whole place, just end the war...and if you don't, well wait for me first, let me go back, pick it up, come back, and then blow u up" It just doesn't fit.

The fact that he never intended to use it was the most important thing.
The fact that lelouche wouldn't even consider what suzaku said is more of a mistake than suzaku bringing out the nuke.
Suzaku forgetting about his geass, yes, to a certain degree is his fault, but it's uncontrollable sometimes

although the only thing im confused about is...remember how in season 1 lulu cast a geass on this girl to mark the stuff on the bricks of the school? when he came back she stopped doing it, so either 1) geass died out or 2) she died

so wtf is up with suzaku's geass staying active/dormant for so long?

The girl is still under the effects of Geass. However, her family moved and she could no longer reach the wall. When it was her daily time to carve it, she would be under the effects of Geass and try to go back to Ashford but her parents stopped her and then sent her to a psychological institute due to them thinking she went insane.

She's still under the effects of Geass, but she cannot perform her order. If she suddenly had the ability to perform the order of the Geass, Lelouch could just Geass someone to "Take down Britannia".

Oh yeah, this information was released in a magazine, before you ask for my source.

[El_Lazy_Mexican]

Lol no one likes Rivalz XD

No one would care if he got caught in the nuke right?


...right?

[miroku2192]

Listen if we were about to fight, after i just sold you out, and said wait don't fight me because i have super strong fist that will knock you out if I throw it at you; what would you do?

that has nothing to do with the real situation...you were arguing about how suzaku should've done something because he should've remembered about his live on geass, well it's lulu's fault for not remembering that geass. He should've done something else. It's still lulu's fault. you can't blame everything on suzaku is all im trying to say. sure there could've been better moves for suzaku to make, but this is frigging anime and honestly, no one is perfect. who the hell would think that many steps ahead of themselves? especially coming from suzaku. How was he supposed to know that his live on geass would activate and use freya? All im trying to say is a large portion of the whole chaos was because of lulu's actions, whether in this episode or from previous scenes

[Rising Dragon]

maybe english isn't your first language? that could be a reason...it's not exactly easy for those who pick up english to easily spot sarcasm (and i am in no means trying to bash you)

That's a nice joke. I was born in California and English is not just my first language but my only language, but naturally here in California English doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. But if I caused confusion, I apologize.

[True Warrior]

I understand what you're trying to say...with the whole it's suzaku's fault for bringing out the nuke in the first place, but what's he gonna do going into the battle empty handed? we've got an unstable nina back there who'll probably harm more people if he didn't bring it.

also, what's he gonna do? if he went up to lulu and was like "yeah i got a nuke that can blow up the whole place, just end the war...and if you don't, well wait for me first, let me go back, pick it up, come back, and then blow u up" It just doesn't fit.

The fact that he never intended to use it was the most important thing.
The fact that lelouche wouldn't even consider what suzaku said is more of a mistake than suzaku bringing out the nuke.
Suzaku forgetting about his geass, yes, to a certain degree is his fault, but it's uncontrollable sometimes

although the only thing im confused about is...remember how in season 1 lulu cast a geass on this girl to mark the stuff on the bricks of the school? when he came back she stopped doing it, so either 1) geass died out or 2) she died

so wtf is up with suzaku's geass staying active/dormant for so long?
Well it was stated that she moved and her parents basically had to lock her room at night from fear of sleep walking as they put it, so no the geass is still there

[miroku2192]

The girl is still under the effects of Geass. However, her family moved and she could no longer reach the wall. When it was her daily time to carve it, she would be under the effects of Geass and try to go back to Ashford but her parents stopped her and then sent her to a psychological institute due to them thinking she went insane.

She's still under the effects of Geass, but she cannot perform her order. If she suddenly had the ability to perform the order of the Geass, Lelouch could just Geass someone to "Take down Britannia".

Oh yeah, this information was released in a magazine, before you ask for my source.

lol, why can't i get these magazines :X

[miroku2192]

That's a nice joke. I was born in California and English is not just my first language but my only language, but naturally here in California English doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. But if I caused confusion, I apologize.

didn't mean it as a joke, and didn't mean it to hurt your feelings. you prolli just read it too fast then

[aka Providence]

haha at 1; after a year and some month still no ejection lol:heh:

yeah, Lloyd seems like the type of person who'd say "ejection capabilities?" when asked.

[morbosfist]

I understand what you're trying to say...with the whole it's suzaku's fault for bringing out the nuke in the first place, but what's he gonna do going into the battle empty handed? we've got an unstable nina back there who'll probably harm more people if he didn't bring it.He's not empty handed, he has a Knightmare with enough armaments to outclass entire armies, and he was never going to use the nuke anyway. As for Nina, it's a nuke bullet loaded in a Knightmare-sized rifle in a ship with no other Knightmares on board. What's she gonna do, roll it out the hanger?

also, what's he gonna do? if he went up to lulu and was like "yeah i got a nuke that can blow up the whole place, just end the war...and if you don't, well wait for me first, let me go back, pick it up, come back, and then blow u up" It just doesn't fit.No, he just wouldn't try the stupid bluff and instead just attack him.

The fact that he never intended to use it was the most important thing.
The fact that lelouche wouldn't even consider what suzaku said is more of a mistake than suzaku bringing out the nuke.
Suzaku forgetting about his geass, yes, to a certain degree is his fault, but it's uncontrollable sometimesWhy should Lelouch listen to Suzaku? He sold him out (or rather he thinks he did) twice now. Suzaku's lost any bit of trust he had. The nuke threat is no different.

although the only thing im confused about is...remember how in season 1 lulu cast a geass on this girl to mark the stuff on the bricks of the school? when he came back she stopped doing it, so either 1) geass died out or 2) she died

so wtf is up with suzaku's geass staying active/dormant for so long?Geass only activates if the user is feasibly capable of performing the command. All the students save for the student council were shipped to the mainland. She couldn't travel all the way back each day, so it fizzled out. Suzaku's Geass, on the other hand, always has the potential to activate. It won't ever wear off unless he dies.

[Rising Dragon]

didn't mean it as a joke, and didn't mean it to hurt your feelings. you prolli just read it too fast then

I know you didn't mean it as one, and it hardly hurt my feelings. I'm not dumb enough to get butthurt about something said over the internet.

[Micante]

Geass only activates if the user is feasibly capable of performing the command. All the students save for the student council were shipped to the mainland. She couldn't travel all the way back each day, so it fizzled out. Suzaku's Geass, on the other hand, always has the potential to activate. It won't ever wear off unless he dies.

Actually, the Geass will always activate if it's a long term command. If the targetted person could not go through with the command, the target will still attempt their best. The girl tried to reach Ashford, but was stopped and sent to an insane asylum.

[Orga777]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! THIS EPISODE WAS AMAZING! I mean... just... WOW! Spoilers just in case!

There is not ONE thing wrong with this great episode. From beginning to the very end. We had everything here. There is so much to talk about here!

First, I cheered when Kallen flew her Guren. It was epic as hell and her killing Luciano was a clapping moment for me. I only have to wonder if they really needed to make The Guren THAT powerful. Even Suzaku was crushed. That means the upgrade it gets will probably be on par (damn, that will be an epic showdown...)

Although Luciano had the fight of the episode. Even though he got crapped on, he showed his stuff. Put up a decent fight against impossible odds against Kallen (even better than Suzaku) and was about to kill Lelouch even! His death was one of the best of the series when it comes to dieing in battle.

Then we had Suzaku who was set NOT to use Freya at all after all (TOLD YA!) And he did end up using it because of the "Live!" Geass (TOLD YA AGAIN!) Poor Suzaku though.... This episode was not for him especially if what I think happens... well, happened.... Poor Nunnally.... Got caught in the blast.... (Which was jsut the Government buildin area (which HAS to nullify the 10 Million Dead spoiler that was roaming around since it just wouldn't make sense. [TOLD YA AGAIN AGAIN!])

Also, lets give our condolences to two other unfortunate victims in this blast... Guilford and Asahina. I felt really bad for Guilford who got killed because Lelouch used him like that. Asahina got himself involved, but Guilford... Damn... Poor guy. Killed thinking he was helping Cornelia when it was really Lelouch. (Oh Cornelia is going to be PISSED!)

We also had Crazy Nina being crazy as usual and despicable Rolo showed up again with his threat to kill Nunnally. But damn... Nunnally needs another mention... Lelouch and his damn Gefujin ended up being one of the reasons she ended up... stuck in the blast... along Sayoko with her no less (damn Rolo escaping!)

What will Lelouch do now? He lost his only remaining reason for living and now the BK's look like are ready to betray him. What will he do?

What will Suzaku do once he learns what he did? Suzaku has had so much happen to him that this is just... maybe too much.... It wasn't even his fault and it ended up happening anyway... We also know he will end up blaming himself for that too... :(

Oh, and yes, Plot Armor doesn't exist in this anime. I have never seen so many characters killed off like this in any other series. Especially KEY charaacters (that are mostly female for that matter.)

I HATE the idea that I have to wait a whole week just to see what happens! IT IS TOO MUCH! This was just... 10/10. best episode of the season so far! And it looks like it will get even better later on!

[morbosfist]

Actually, the Geass will always activate if it's a long term command. If the targetted person could not go through with the command, the target will still attempt their best. The girl tried to reach Ashford, but was stopped and sent to an insane asylum.Yeah, I just noticed your previous post when scrolling through the replies I missed. Either way, she can't step up so it won't work.

[Darkside]

Dam mad people got owned up in this ep. Stupid Nina.

[Divinegundam]

that has nothing to do with the real situation...you were arguing about how suzaku should've done something because he should've remembered about his live on geass, well it's lulu's fault for not remembering that geass. He should've done something else. It's still lulu's fault. you can't blame everything on suzaku is all im trying to say. sure there could've been better moves for suzaku to make, but this is frigging anime and honestly, no one is perfect. who the hell would think that many steps ahead of themselves? especially coming from suzaku. How was he supposed to know that his live on geass would activate and use freya? All im trying to say is a large portion of the whole chaos was because of lulu's actions, whether in this episode or from previous scenes


Still how could you believe such a big clam about something that doesn't exist from a person that seemly just sold you out. Also i believe it was you or someone that mentioned that the writer wanted it be Lulu fault for using Geass in the first place. However i think it more of a point that the writers let us know Suzaku knows about the "Live Geass" and how it affects him. He can't be absolve of blame because the writers showed he knows. Also i never said he was 100% to blame but most of it falls on him.

[morbosfist]

Poor Nunnally.... Got caught in the blast.... (Which was jsut the Government buildin area (which HAS to nullify the 10 Million Dead spoiler that was roaming around since it just wouldn't make sense. [TOLD YA AGAIN AGAIN!])Watch the extended preview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OedVDmA7VC4

The explosion as they show it is very misleading in the things it destroyed.

[ThoHell]

After watching this episode I get the feeling that this series will ending with something like this:
It's going to try to convey a message along the lines of: "Nothing good comes out of evil deeds and revenge/anger/hatred only leads to more revenge/anger/hatred. Humanity will continue this chain until someone breaks it" And I bet the one who'll dialogue the message is C.C.

AND LOTS MORE DEATH TO COME!

So..any takers?

[Nayim]

I think, I know Nunally & Sayoko are alive :
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/8326/1354108sa0.jpg

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Watch the extended preview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OedVDmA7VC4

The explosion as they show it is very misleading in the things it destroyed.

I linked a picture at the end of the episode that shows the aftermath when the bomb exploded and they seemed to have magnified it in the next episode:heh:

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

After watching this episode I get the feeling that this series will ending with something like this:
It's going to try to convey a message along the lines of: "Nothing good comes out of evil deeds and revenge/anger/hatred only leads to more revenge/anger/hatred. Humanity will continue this chain until someone breaks it" And I bet the one who'll dialogue the message is C.C.

AND LOTS MORE DEATH TO COME!

So..any takers?

Well I agree with C.C. delivering some kind of message driven dialogue.

[Crontica]

Wow.

That's all I can say....

That was insanity.

Well, no body, no death. I'd like to believe that with regards to Nunally, but I don't know if that'll be the case this time.

Of course, Kallen survived.... >_>

But the big thing is that I'm assuming everyone still hates Suzaku and now even more. But to an extent, Lulu did this via the Live on Geass. His Geass once again got a lot of people killed.

you are forgetting one important little thing Lelouch was FORCED to give suzaku the live geass, of course it could have been a "obey me" geass which would have changed EVERYTHING, but bleh blame his kindness if you want something to point at.

[morbosfist]

I linked a picture at the end of the episode that shows the aftermath when the bomb exploded and they seemed to have magnified it in the next episode:heh:According to the little bomb statistics, that explosion should have reached somewhere between 5 to 8 kilometers at its maximum.

[Divinegundam]

Off topic 38 pages and counting:cool:

[morbosfist]

Off topic 38 pages and counting:cool:19 if you do max posts per page, and not much is off-topic as long as it relates to the episode.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

You know I've been readin arguments back and forth about it being Suzaku or Lelouch's fault. Does it really matter? However since this seems to always be the topic of disscusion I will share my insites.

Its Lelouch's fault! This would have not happned and many deaths would not have happened(like Euphie and Shirley) if Lelouch had not started his war against Britania. I don't care who you are you cannot deny this fact. All this happened from Lelouchs decision right in the beginning.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

According to the little bomb statistics, that explosion should have reached somewhere between 5 to 8 kilometers at its maximum.

Regardless, so much for "massacring" his own people.

The guy ended up massacring the britannians. :heh:

[morbosfist]

You know I've been readin arguments back and forth about it being Suzaku or Lelouch's fault. Does it really matter? However since this seems to always be the topic of disscusion I will share my insites.

Its Lelouch's fault! This would have not happned and many deaths would not have happened(like Euphie and Shirley) if Lelouch had not started his war against Britania. I don't care who you are you cannot deny this fact. All this happened from Lelouchs decision right in the beginning.And if Suzaku hadn't chosen to resist Lelouch the Lancelot would never have been a problem and Lelouch's rebellion would have gone far better. That or he'd be dead and Nunnally would be sad. It's a double edged sword.

Regardless, so much for "massacring" his own people.

The guy ended up massacring the britannians. :heh:Better for him. The Japanese will probably think it's poetic justice.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

And if Suzaku hadn't chosen to resist Lelouch the Lancelot would never have been a problem and Lelouch's rebellion would have gone far better. That or he'd be dead and Nunnally would be sad. It's a double edged sword.

True, but I find it to be almost completely resaulting from Lelouchs decision. Of course Geass affected it greatly and of course the event that drove Lelouch towards his war against britania is also to taken into consideration. Infact none of this would have happened if his mother was not murdered. And yet there was something before that that was a direct cause of that. Dammit it keeps going on and on. Where does the true blame lie I have no idea anymore:heh:.

[Revolutionist]

What I'm really wondering is what will Schneizel think when he finds out Nina's Fraija killed Nunnaly, along with a lot of Britannians? If he's really as caring as he tries to be he should be pretty pissed off about it. The emperor doesn't care, and I bet Cornelia probably doesn't either.