Code Geass R2 - Episode 20 Discussion / Poll

[aurr]

Please, could someone now respond to my previos comment. This could be a blind spoiler.

[Narona]

Look guys i think that Marriane was also a liar like her son so those where white lies protect him or so?
I don't undersatnd what you mean XD ?_?

[Sports72Xtrm]

So what's going on with the UFN? They buying OoBK's fib or what?

[Kaioshin Sama]

Any bigger surprises and we might all die of heart attacks. Still, should be awesome.

Well I can't say Anya as Marianne is a major surprise because they've basically been hinting at it for a while now. I'm wondering if we now have the reason why she allowed her honor guard to be lowered the night of her assasination. It's almost like she faked her own death and went into hiding. I know I'm flip flopping between theories, but there's just so many ways they could talk this development. Honestly as much as it seems strange and will require a lot of explanation, it has a lot of potential to be interesting and to add another layer to the already complex storyline.

[mechalord]

The conversation goes as follows (credit to Schneizel for the actual translation being posted of GF):

CC: You... You came all the way here?
CC: Are you that worried about Lelouch, Marianne?
Marianne: Oh my.
Marianne: You thought I was that much of an ideal mother?
CC: Then why are you here?
Marianne: I wanted to know if you're still our ally.
Marianne: C.C., why did you seal away your own Code?
Marianne: Charles could've fulfilled your wish of wanting to die.
CC: Even I don't know that.
CC: I'm a bit surprised myself.

Sounds like an alternate personallity. Maybe Marianne is the leader of the personallities within her. Is CC still an ally of her other personallities? Maybe the others within her are tired of watching and want to die, too.

[danny20]

So what's going on with the UFN? They buying OoBK's fib or what?

They believe in the lie that zero/lelouch is dead.
But it seems in 1 or 2 episodes the lie will fall.

[aurr]

I mean, Lelouch lied pretty often to others to save them from pain so he could have got that trait from his mother?

[mechalord]

Well I can't say Anya as Marianne is a major surprise because they've basically been hinting at it for a while now. I'm wondering if we now have the reason why she allowed her honor guard to be lowered the night of her assasination. It's almost like she faked her own death and went into hiding. I know I'm flip flopping between theories, but there's just so many ways they could talk this development. Honestly as much as it seems strange and will require a lot of explanation, it has a lot of potential to be interesting and to add another layer to the already complex storyline.

It's kind of hinted that the Geass cult has been around for a while and CC was it's leader. What if she gives herself like 20 or so years of a normal life and then orders her cult to kill her 20 years after purposely locking out her own code to make her original self re-emerge?

[Narona]

Sounds like an alternate personallity. Maybe Marianne is the leader of the personallities within her. Is CC still an ally of her other personallities? Maybe the others within her are tired of watching and want to die, too.
What? marianne is not inside C.C.

[bran]

So, she loves lelouch?

if we judge from the convo she doesn't

CC: You... You came all the way here? Are you that worried about Lelouch, Marianne?
Marianne: You thought I was that much of an ideal mother?
CC: Then why are you here? (means she's not here cause she cares about lelouch, she denied she came for his sake)

[mechalord]

What? marianne is not inside C.C.

But what if only a part of her is? What in Anya was implanted with part of Marianne? What if Anya was created to separate the Marianne conciousness from CC?

[Narona]

But what if only a part of her is? What in Anya was implanted with part of Marianne? What if Anya was created to separate the Marianne conciousness from CC?
Well, I don't agree with your theory ^^

if we judge from the convo she doesn't

CC: You... You came all the way here? Are you that worried about Lelouch, Marianne?
Marianne: You thought I was that much of an ideal mother?
CC: Then why are you here? (means she's not here cause she cares about lelouch cause she denied she came for his sake)

I was talking about C.C., not marianne. The reason she sealed her code instead of dying.

[Kusa-San]

Sword of Akasha. Lelouch really did a number on it.

Ah yeah, that's it thanks xD


The keywords this week, "I want to know if you're still our ally", is spoken by Marianne. Who would have guessed. O_O

Marianne asks C.C. why she sealed away her own Code. I guess that means she's getting her Code back after all.
... So she sealed it away? No wonder I see people saying, "so she's just hiding because Lelouch speech of love embarassed her!" XD


So if her code is back, she can become immortal again ?


CC: You... You came all the way here?
CC: Are you that worried about Lelouch, Marianne?
Marianne: Oh my.
Marianne: You thought I was that much of an ideal mother?
CC: Then why are you here?
Marianne: I wanted to know if you're still our ally.
Marianne: C.C., why did you seal away your own Code?
Marianne: Charles could've fulfilled your wish of wanting to die.
CC: Even I don't know that.
CC: I'm a bit surprised myself.



By "our" she means Anya and her ?

[Kaioshin Sama]

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Just noticed this. Looks like something to do with V.V and C.C's backstory and they appear to be standing in front of a mural of a tree with branches point down toward them. Family tree, or the history of the Code perhaps. Wasn't the Geass apparently supposed to have something to do with the history of humanity itself. Isn't it kind of a corruption of the nature of mortal man in and of itself. Another theory:

Perhaps killing God is getting rid of the Code and it's cycle of passing from one person to the next once and for all and the Sword of Akasha has the power to do that. Charles said he wanted to get rid of all the lies in the world, perhaps the Code in it's very nature of bringing nothing but misery is the greatest evil and lie in the world. I think Charles might have even been trying to do just that in episode 15 but was blocked from doing it by Lelouch and C.C herself.

Then again I'm probably wrong as always judging by how this series loves to invalidate my theories by the episode.

[Darkcraft]

Gino was great in this episode
He follow his own justice, didnt care saying what he thinks and will not follow the one in commands even if he is threatened.
Did someone count how many times Suzaku played the traitor since first episode?

i also notice a drop in animation quality this week when compared to past episode. Was there a noticeable changement in the staff?

[Irkalla]

I'm gonna start thinking that Marriane is allied with the emperor..and that this was just an "Itachi"on Lulu. Schneizel did say that Lulu was the one he most "loved" and feared, so those two might have predicted Schneizels actions and planned it all out with c.c. to give him the geass etc..Maybe they thought an "outsider" would manage this matter better or something...o_O

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

Gino was great in this episode
He follow his own justice, didnt care saying what he thinks and will not follow the one in commands even if he is threatened.
Did someone count how many times Suzaku played the traitor since first episode?

I think he doesn't whole that much regard for Schienzel considering he doesn't know the Emperor's plan to use Ragnarok

[morbosfist]

I think he doesn't whole that much regard for Schienzel considering he doesn't know the Emperor's plan to use RagnarokYou can hardly blame him for being loyal. Everyone but Suzaku was practically against it. Gino just stood up to say so.

[Koshimizu]

*depressed again*
Thanks anyway.Why? Her wanting to hide means she has feelings for him, ne? :D
So, she loves lelouch? Taniguchi is really an evil guy. Not as much as Var, but sill evil.Judging from the dialogue between Marianne and C.C., I say yes. I think Marianne is acting like she isn't really that anxious in saving Lelouch, just to tease C.C. and to see her reactions.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Judging from the dialogue between Marianne and C.C., I say yes. I think Marianne is acting like she isn't really that anxious in saving Lelouch, just to tease C.C. and to see her reactions.

It's probable. If there's one thing I've learnt from this series, is never to take anything, anyone says on face value.

[Pan chan]

I haven't seen this episode yet, but I've got two questions :

C.C is immortal or not ? If not, then I find it a bit easy, she wins something very precious and doesn't have to pay the price for it...It's a bit convenient, but I'm glad the old one is back.

Is Marianne still alive ?

I really hope Marianne and C.C had a good reason for hiding this from Lelouch...


CC: You... You came all the way here?
CC: Are you that worried about Lelouch, Marianne?
Marianne: Oh my.
Marianne: You thought I was that much of an ideal mother?
CC: Then why are you here?
Marianne: I wanted to know if you're still our ally.
Marianne: C.C., why did you seal away your own Code?
Marianne: Charles could've fulfilled your wish of wanting to die.
CC: Even I don't know that.
CC: I'm a bit surprised myself.


I can see it coming, C.C will oppose Marianne for Lelouch's sake and the two will be all lovey dovey . If not then Marianne will cheer for them... Kallen your passivity caused your "downfall", Kalulu you lose :(. What a crual director, teasing us for nothing :upset: ...My god I almost sound like Dann :heh:

I like Runzaku, he's awesome.

[bran]

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is this marianne's hand?
look too low
not sure her sleeve looks like that and the color is different

[Dream_Traveller]

It could be her...or V.V.

[Graus]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3926/codegeassr220largeprevinl1.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codegeassr220largeprevinl1.jpg)
is this marianne's hand?
look too low
not sure her sleeve looks like that and the color is different

Actually, good point the angle is bit off.

[daydream]

I have to admit I was quite disappointed by kallen behavior, I expected at least SOME reaction about what lelouch told her but it looks like she didnt even think about it... well a lot of things happend so it's undersantable yet I hope we'll see her reaction soon.
Suzaku eventually admited that the results are the most importent thing, but after all of the he did to avoid using the wrong methods the fact he gives it all up now irritites me even more.
But as long as the good old C.C. is back I'm happy.

[mechalord]

I have to admit I was quite disappointed by kallen behavior, I expected at least SOME reaction about what lelouch told her but it looks like she didnt even think about it... well a lot of things happend so it's undersantable yet I hope we'll see her reaction soon.
Suzaku eventually admited that the results are the most importent thing, but after all of the he did to avoid using the wrong methods the fact he gives it all up now irritites me even more.
But as long as the good old C.C. is back I'm happy.

In episode 14 you get the impression that CC was the matriarch of the Geass cult. She speaks are if she is killing her own family and says something about ending the genealogy of Geass and then says something about Lelouch and herself. I don't if it's the sub or not and the tone of how she said what she said but I got the impression that the Geass cult may have carried her genes. I also got the impression that Lelouch could be related to her.

Makes me think that CC is Marianne.

[Darkcraft]

Seems the animation of CG for 20 to end ll be in Japan and not Korea anymore. Just did a research finding a troublesome difference
Thats why this episode’s animation quality was kinda shitty. I hope they ll work better for the 21

[Pan chan]

I have to admit I was quite disappointed by kallen behavior, I expected at least SOME reaction about what lelouch told her but it looks like she didnt even think about it... well a lot of things happend so it's undersantable yet I hope we'll see her reaction soon.


She had like what ? 5 secondes on screen ? I more disappointed about the director lack of concern for Kallen's reaction :uhoh:.

[mechalord]

In that picture... is that Marianne and is she grabbing right under her breast? Doesn't CC have a mark there?

[FoxxFireArt]

I have to admit I was quite disappointed by kallen behavior, I expected at least SOME reaction about what lelouch told her but it looks like she didnt even think about it... well a lot of things happend so it's undersantable yet I hope we'll see her reaction soon.
Suzaku eventually admited that the results are the most importent thing, but after all of the he did to avoid using the wrong methods the fact he gives it all up now irritites me even more.
But as long as the good old C.C. is back I'm happy.

Don't be so harsh. It's not that she didn't think about it. They didn't show her long enough. I do admit it would be nice to see her reaction after the heat of the moment. She did that that heartbreaking scream of "Wait!". Before they could fire on him.
She had like what ? 5 secondes on screen ? I more disappointed about the director lack of concern for Kallen's reaction :uhoh:.I agree. Lack of screen time at all after all that time in prison means more to me.

[Dream_Traveller]

Seems the animation of CG for 20 to end ll be in Japan and not Korea anymore
Thats why this episode’s animation quality was kinda shitty. I hope they ll work better for the 21

Er...the quality was pretty fine this episode. I see nothing wrong with it. This isn't Musashi Gendou.

[JesseJamesRocket]

I wonder how Guren hax is going to play a role in the upcoming battles also isn't sort of odd that Marianne isn't concerned that her daughter is dead?

I know that few agree, but I don't think Nunally is dead. It would be very strange for a character of her importance to die un-definitively, or without even a few last words.

[Darkcraft]

Er...the quality was pretty fine this episode. I see nothing wrong with it. This isn't Musashi Gendou.
Drawings and colors were great as usuals.
But there is an obvious difference on the animation

[bran]

that reminds me i loled when anya transformed

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

I know that few agree, but I don't think Nunally is dead. It would be very strange for a character of her importance to die definitively, or without even a few last words.

But isn't more fitting for her to die considering what Lelouch sought out for her in a way and if the revelation being that Marianne was actually alive inside Anya all this time than everything he did would be for nothing.

[Dream_Traveller]

I know that few agree, but I don't think Nunally is dead. It would be very strange for a character of her importance to die definitively, or without even a few last words.

Well, she is. Her role was spent, her death, whilst unforeseen in terms of how it came about, was rather expected, and Lelouch needed to be urged down his definitive path- that of Lelouch Vi Britannia, that of the demon king. Oh, and props to anyone who can survive being atomized.

Darkcraft: Maybe, but it wasn't 'shitty'.

[mechalord]

their money goes further in korea. It's cheaper to paint the cells and film the images over there.

Korea is kind of the animation production center of the world.

Also, with different companies you probably get different equipment, artists, and materials.

[TheDisruptiveOne]

Why was Kaguya crying?

[LordLabyrinth]

I guess if he's going to be the demon king he's dropped that whole desire to not abuse the Geass once and for all. It's kind of depressing, he's struggled so much on that moral ground for the entire series and now it's all coming apart. We've definitely entered Greek tragedy territory here.

I know this is a really late response to Kaioshin, but I gotta say this. If this were a greek tragedy, then Lelouch must fall in love with Anya, get her knocked up, and then find out she has his mother's memories. Once she finds out about it, then she hangs herself. Now that would be a greek tragedy.

[Airi]

Thats why this episode’s animation quality was kinda shitty. I hope they ll work better for the 21

Indeed, The animation quality was off! >_<

I think Marianne cares about Lelouch... It's just that she shows her feelings...in a "different" way.

[Pan chan]

Indeed, The animation quality was off! >_<

I think Marianne cares about Lelouch... It's just that she shows her feelings...in a "different" way.

So true !!! " Go my son, avenge me, kill all your siblings, they deserve it ! And BTW, I'm not "entirely" dead" :heh:...J/K. Right now, I don't really know what to think about her.

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

So true !!! " Go my son, avenge me, kill all your siblings, they deserve it ! And BTW, I'm not "entirely" dead" :heh:...J/K. At this state of the show, I don't really know what to think about her.

Well here's the thing her time was with C.C. and she was teasing her about concerning for Lelouch so in those seconds we can't judge her character as a whole.

[nero23]

The character map on the geass website was updated, so that all those caught in the Freya explosion are now officially dead. Including Gilford, Asahina, Romayer, Sayako, and of course, Nunnally. That must be one of the lamest ways to let a character die.

[Narona]

Why? Her wanting to hide means she has feelings for him, ne? :D
Judging from the dialogue between Marianne and C.C., I say yes. I think Marianne is acting like she isn't really that anxious in saving Lelouch, just to tease C.C. and to see her reactions.
Because C.C. is immortal again ^^

But yeah, now I don't have any doubts. C.C. loves him!

Thanks for your support :)

[Blue_Mercy]

Why was Kaguya crying?

She was told that her husband Zero was dead.

[Aetas]

Did anyone pick up on the Gino Cecile Lloyd Suzaku Schneizel conversation? Something about KoO and the Emperor, and Gino getting angry at Suzaku.

I though Suzaku got promoted to KoO at first, and Gino was angry because he wanted that position :heh:

[FoxxFireArt]

Because C.C. is immortal again ^^

But yeah, now I don't have any doubts. C.C. loves him!

Thanks for your support :)

I don't think you should ever of doubted that C.C. cares for Lelouch. That was obvious in the World of C episode.

[Var]

Because C.C. is immortal again ^^

But yeah, now I don't have any doubts. C.C. loves him!

Thanks for your support :)

To be fair, that isn't much of a revelation... at all.

What is a revelation is that her code and memories do infact seem to be connected. Take that as you will.

[Blue_Mercy]

Did anyone pick up on the Gino Cecile Lloyd Suzaku Schneizel conversation? Something about KoO and the Emperor, and Gino getting angry at Suzaku.

I though Suzaku got promoted to KoO at first, and Gino was angry because he wanted that position :heh:

No, Suzaku wanted to become the Knight of One immediately, and Schneizel promoted him to it, but they needed to overthrow the Emperor first so Suzaku asked for an Emperor assassination mission which pissed Gino off because he didn't want to betray.

[Narona]

To be fair, that isn't much of a revelation... at all.

What is a revelation is that her code and memories do infact seem to be connected. Take that as you will.
In some eyes, when she was mortal, it was a bad/death flags etc, when she is immortal, it's the same. :p

The C.C. fans don't think like that if that's what you mean.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

What is a revelation is that her code and memories do infact seem to be connected. Take that as you will.

Same with Lelouch, I supose... in a manner of speaking, as his Geass disappeared after he lost his memory <_<.

[prototype_sky]

I knew is would happen that both Lulu and Suzaku would finally rely on their strengths to try and end this thing :).

[Stretch5920]

Because C.C. is immortal again ^^

But yeah, now I don't have any doubts. C.C. loves him!

Thanks for your support :)

Lelouch will hate her when he finds out everything, and that's why she hid herself away because she knows Lelouch will hate her.

[kari-no-sugata]

Man, there's a lot of junk in this thread.

Anyway, a couple of points for those waiting for subs:

Suzaku has gone completely "the ends justify the means" - at the beginning he tells Nina she did a good job (in helping him kill all those people). Later, he explicitly says "what matters is... the result!". He practically sets up Schneizel to move against his father (something he's be planning for a while based on his subordinate's reaction). He considers Geass to be a crime, hence he goes up against the emperor. When fighting the Knight of One, his "live" Geass activates, but he tries to suppress it and says he's thrown away his "weakness" (his kindness).

It's not explicitly shown but it seems to me that Charles knew that Marianne was inside Anya and had effectively sealed away Marianne. Now that he plans to start Ragnarok it seems like he remotely releases that seal and Marianne "wakes up" and immediately says "I see... so he's planning to start it" (seemingly referring to Charles). It's not clear but I get the feeling Marianne supports using Ragnarok. Anyway, it's clear now that C.C had given Marianne a Geass of some kind, and also knew about C.C's wish to die. Marianne's personality is kinda interesting - she has quite a playful tone to her voice, but she's also used to getting her own way and seems used to bossing C.C around. Later, when Marianne attacks Knight of One she's acting as if she's loyal Anya and claims that the KoO has rebelled, then takes up a defensive position once they clear up the "misunderstanding". C.C praises Marianne's acting skills, though Marianne says there wasn't enough time to explain things. C.C also says "just what I'd expect from Lelouch's mother" and Marianne says "should we save him", implying Lelouch - she'd also spotted Lelouch heading towards the ruins in the middle of the battle.

At the end, Lelouch thanks his father for entering into the place, and after the entrance is destroyed, explains that if Charles cannot influence the outside world anymore (is cut off from the real world), then it's the same as being dead. It looks like Lelouch also intends to seal the Geass away (I guess he wasn't planning on C.C regaining her memories - he also mentally asks Kallen to take care of C.C earlier in the ep). Lelouch welcomes Charles to this prison of the souls and eternal suffering - with him :)


On some minor notes: the Black Knights decide that they can't announce that Lelouch betrayed them, and instead announce that he's died. When they find out about the attack on the Emperor, it seems everyone decides to head towards the island. Kallen doesn't get many lines this time but is still weakly sticking up for Zero/Lelouch. Cornelia lets Villetta make her choice - if she wants to come with them or stay with the Black Knights and suggests there more to the world than rank. Cornelia later finds out that Guildford probably died - and Suzaku claims responsibility. Also looks like Suzaku will be getting his next MS upgrade really soon.

[Kaioshin Sama]

The character map on the geass website was updated, so that all those caught in the Freya explosion are now officially dead. Including Gilford, Asahina, Romayer, Sayako, and of course, Nunnally. That must be one of the lamest ways to let a character die.

Well I mean how often do you see a character go up in a big nuclear sized explosion in anime these days. Anti-climatic if she is indeed dead (I'm still calling shenanigans because I think it's a ploy and she escaped on an alternate vessel. The way it had that MIA and later dead makes me feel that she and the others are supposed to be classified as "missing and assumed dead" for the time being), but not exactly lame.

[Narona]

Lelouch will hate her when he finds out everything, and that's why she hid herself away because she knows Lelouch will hate her.
I will wait to know her reasons. Maybe you're right but maybe not.

I take this episode as a good episode for CluClu. :) I was so down this morning XD

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

I knew is would happen that both Lulu and Suzaku would finally rely on their strengths to try and end this thing :).

Eh, better than nothing right? At least they actually did something about it, so now Lelouch will go up against the Emperor and Suzaku will go up against Bismark acn't ask for anything else.

[cupahe]

this episode gave cluster fuck and shoddy development a new definition.

the one development that would have made sense (kallen's) got all of 5 seconds for them to magically reintroduce cc with nothing more than brief discussion. anti-climactic much? that's just rubbish, throwing aside established development from the last episode to throw this in, how the hell did cc even get out of the room?

i cannot help but feel that both marianne and cc have been completely using lelouch this whole time. fuck if she loves him, shes been using him... both of them have been using him. if he seriously does not hate them im going to be surprised.

suffice to say i stopped being a cc fan today.

Lelouch will hate her when he finds out everything, and that's why she hid herself away because she knows Lelouch will hate her.

im of this impression i mean fuck his entire war has been on a false pretense because two people kept lieing to him. charles is not the good guy.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Man, there's a lot of junk in this thread.

More like a lot of people just have nothing to really add but speculation because they haven't seen the subbed version yet. That and we seem to have a lot of new people who....shall we say are rather excitable. :uhoh:

Though I'm loving the fact that despite this everyone is an expert on proper story development and pacing.

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

More like a lot of people just have nothing to really add but speculation because they haven't seen the subbed version yet. That and we seem to have a lot of new people who....shall we say are rather excitable. :uhoh:

Though I'm loving the fact that despite this everyone is an expert on proper story development and pacing.

But this isn't new I mean every week people give 10s to episodes so this really isn't surprising and in the end all they care about is that either C.C.'s back or how far is Kallen's relationship with Lelouch but I digress we have five more weeks of Code Geass and everyone's anxious to see if it was all worth it in the end.

[cupahe]

Though I'm loving the fact that despite this everyone is an expert on proper story development and pacing.

there was clearly more than enough crammed into this one episode to justify people saying it went too fast. no one is claiming they know everything but this episode was far to accelerated and thrown together at parts. like: how did little cc get out of the room that lelouch keeps locked to keep her hidden?

[nero23]

CG's plot has always been contrived. Like fighting right over a methyl hydrate deposit, or having a sakuradite bomb on a dead man's switch that you can deactivate by simply yanking off the guy's chest. But it's true, this episode was really crappy. Anya becomes Marianne and CC returns with no run-up or explanation. And on the website, those listed as MIA from the freya explosion were promoted to KIA, again with no run-up or explanation.

[Narona]

suffice to say i stopped being a cc fan today.

Given your comments pro kallen, are you sure that you were a C.C. fan to begin with?

Sorry about my sarcasm but it's a bit early, imo, to say that you can hate C.C..

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

there was clearly more than enough crammed into this one episode to justify people saying it went too fast. no one is claiming they know everything but this episode was far to accelerated and thrown together at parts. like: how did little cc get out of the room that lelouch keeps locked to keep her hidden?

Its really Taniguichi saying shut and let me finish the story and explanations will come later :heh:

[cupahe]

Given your comments pro kallen, are you sure that you were a C.C. fan to begin with?

Sorry about my sarcasm but it's a bit early, imo, to say that you can hate C.C..

pro kallen? you mean by asking that they finish what they started last episode? clearly makes me pro kallen.

this development with cc made no sense at all there was no development towards this end and it just happened without rhyme or reason.

Its really Taniguichi saying shut and let me finish the story and explanations will come later :heh:

he could try to... you know... make it flow a little better.

[lightbringer]

So. C.C. is chilling in her museum, and Marianne comes strolling in. I don't think anyone could even remotely guess that this week's line about allies was between those two. But those lines being not what we expect are nothing new. More importantly, why is C.C. sitting there looking bored in the first place?

Marianne seems to be the easy-going type. Well, she was a commoner, a knight and wife of an emperor, so no surprise there. At least Anya's mystery is solved. But there's still the picture of Lelouch that Anya has. Don't tell me it's because of Marianne? Heh.

Suzaku shined this episode. Especially in the scenes with Nina and with Schneizel. Less so when running away, but okay. It's strange that he can still have an internal monologue while the Geass is in effect; I guess it hasn't fully kicked in yet. Previously, he had no recollection of events during Geass activation.

Kallen, I suppose, is chilling after being the star during the last two episodes. Well, she's trying something, but it's obviously not going anywhere. Time to pick sides, Kallen. C.C. should've taken Kallen along; maybe Mordred's cockpit is too crowded for three people.

9/10, -1 for lightspeed pace - this could've taken up two episodes.

[Kaioshin Sama]

But this isn't new I mean every week people give 10s to episodes so this really isn't surprising and in the end all they care about is that either C.C.'s back or how far is Kallen's relationship with Lelouch but I digress we have five more weeks of Code Geass and everyone's anxious to see if it was all worth it in the end.

True enough. That's what I don't get though, how so often it seems like one elemnt can completely make or break an episode for a lot of people, no matter how insignificant it may be to whatever else is going on or how important it is in the long run. I'm the kind of person that likes to look at an episode via the sum of its parts and then hammer out a rating so I guess I will never understand that.

That and I'm used to living my own life at a breakneck minute to minute pace and multi-tasking different thoughts and plans at the same time. This makes it so that Code Geass' pace and story structure of bouncing around between groups of people to make sure everything and everyone possible is covered (though at least one major character always gets overlooked per episode) as we move along is just about right for me and no trouble at all to keep track of.

I guess this is where pacing and "clusterfuck" start to become rather subjective because I haven't met an episode of the series that I haven't been on top of so to speak. If we slowed down to focus on one or two characters at a time per episode then I would become confused and disoriented and things would stop making sense because I wouldn't be able to keep track of who is where and doing what at that point in the story by the time we rolled around to the next event.

[Narona]

Marianne seems to be the easy-going type. Well, she was a commoner, a knight and wife of an emperor, so no surprise there. At least Anya's mystery is solved. But there's still the picture of Lelouch that Anya has. Don't tell me it's because of Marianne? Heh.

I would say that marianne was the one who took those pictures, not "anya"

[bran]

It's strange that he can still have an internal monologue while the Geass is in effect; I guess it hasn't fully kicked in yet. Previously, he had no recollection of events during Geass activation.


i have some doubts that he was running for his life because of the geass
he was surpassing it like euphie
i think he was running to lelouch when he saw him he said something like "lelouch this is my *word i don't understand*" so maybe he wanted to try to stop him

[Koshimizu]

CG's plot has always been contrived. Like fighting right over a methyl hydrate deposit, or having a sakuradite bomb on a dead man's switch that you can deactivate by simply yanking off the guy's chest.Watch closely. ;) Suzaku switched it off (the light went off) before yanking it off Lelouch's chest. Lelouch shouldn't have designed the on/off switch at such an obvious place. :heh: Anyway, the bomb was fake to begin with. So it doesn't really matter.

[Strettger]

Anyone feeling those Evangellion vibes strongly now?

Cloned mind of the dead wife?
Plan to rebuild the world using a secret power?

And I think Marriane is channeling Gendos ghost on steroids, she feels like the greatest villain I have ever seen and I only saw this episode.... fu fu fu.

I'm surprised, me and a few people guessed a while ago that Marriane was the ultimate Villain and she and C.C were trying to make Lelouch the next emperor.... Though wasn't there some point where C.C said Lelouch was the only one to seem to care for her? Marriane seems to have made C.C her Mikuru to her Haruhi.... funny how that analogy works and Mikuru and Anya have the same voice actor ^^

[walapera]

grr...when will the subs be out?? i'm no japanese, so cant understand the raw i hate this waiting game

[kari-no-sugata]

More like a lot of people just have nothing to really add but speculation because they haven't seen the subbed version yet. That and we seem to have a lot of new people who....shall we say are rather excitable. :uhoh: Though I'm loving the fact that despite this everyone is an expert on proper story development and pacing.

My view is that they've got a lot of background story to cover and seems like they want to cover it properly. So I expect quite a few big "flashbacks" or the like in the next few eps. Most series with "big revelations" at the end tend to give a very brief (and disappointing) coverage, crammed in between all the action. With Lelouch having trapped Charles (checkmate as far as he's concerned), maybe we'll get them calmly talking about things while in the real world, all hell is breaking loose.

btw, earlier in this thread you asked about C.C and Marianne and how they were talking before etc. When Marianne greets C.C, she says "it's been a long time since we met face-to-face" (ie for real). Maybe when Marianne was "sealed" within Anya, she was in the World of C or something.

[walapera]

yes!!! nightspeed's sub version is finally out!!! yahoo!!

[zalem]

I'm not crazy about this episode. While lots of things were revealed I feel it was way too rushed. Not to mention the animation wasn't that great. Really hope the next set of episodes are not like this.

Not surprised about Anya, it's about what I expected. Nor am I surprised that Marianne has her hand in all this. I felt something was off about her. I am curious where C.C. stands in all this. It's clear she was part of their plan, but now there is some reluctance on her part due to Lelouch. I am so damn glad she got her memories back. No more C.C.hi. I was starting to get really annoyed with moe C.C.

But Jeremiah bought that story about Zero being dead? I'm disappointed. It seems they didn't tell Kaguya the truth either.

[Kaze]

grr...when will the subs be out?? i'm no japanese, so cant understand the raw i hate this waiting game

Cases like these make me a happy man understanding japanese :p

[Strettger]

Remember C.C said noone had ever been kind to her before Lelouch?
Think what this makes of Anya(Marriane) and C.C....

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

Remember C.C said noone had ever been kind to her before Lelouch?
Think what this makes of Anya(Marriane) and C.C....

So why was she happy with Marianne in episode 15, was that all a lie?

[cupahe]

Remember C.C said noone had ever been kind to her before Lelouch?
Think what this makes of Anya(Marriane) and C.C....

So why was she happy with Marianne in episode 15, was that all a lie?

mao :rolleyes:

[Nilie]

Anyone feeling those Evangellion vibes strongly now?

Cloned mind of the dead wife?
Plan to rebuild the world using a secret power?

And I think Marriane is channeling Gendos ghost on steroids, she feels like the greatest villain I have ever seen and I only saw this episode.... fu fu fu.

I'm surprised, me and a few people guessed a while ago that Marriane was the ultimate Villain and she and C.C were trying to make Lelouch the next emperor.... Though wasn't there some point where C.C said Lelouch was the only one to seem to care for her? Marriane seems to have made C.C her Mikuru to her Haruhi.... funny how that analogy works and Mikuru and Anya have the same voice actor ^^

I hate it when I try to compare Eva and Geass. But yeah, Point made. Shush now :P

Also, this episode, it was interesting.

But this animation, it sucks.

Watching this show, I have learned to enjoy and like the WTF feeling XD

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

mao :rolleyes:

Well everyone has already forgotten about him, also she did love Mao but it's hard to believe she was happy after during what had happen to him (this is from recent memory of watching it on Tv)

[ZeroSama]

Loved the response of all the people on Pengali island when the news of Zeros' death broke "Zero-Sama", "Impossible" , "Its a lie". Talk about in denial. Oh well some will probably think since he came back from death once whats one more time. If he gets Charles Code then he really will be their immortal hero.

Cult of Zero anyone?

[Strettger]

Cult of Zero, Pax Marriane and possible Empress C.C

Its going to be interesting whatever they do now, it can only get better in the final stretch - this is Sunrise.

[ZeroSama]

Its going to be interesting whatever they do now, it can only get better in the final stretch - this is Sunrise.

GSD EP 50 anyone?

[zalem]

I just hope the rest of the series isn't like this. It was a weak episode. Too rushed. I didn't feel that way about 18 & 19. Those were very fast paced but managed not to feel rushed and choppy like this one. This is the first episode where I was just like "WTF?" at the development and pacing of things. Especially all the scenes with Suzaku.

[ZeroSama]

I just hope the rest of the series isn't like this. It was a weak episode. Too rushed. I didn't feel that way about 18 & 19. Those were very fast paced but managed not to feel rushed and choppy like this one. This is the first episode where I was just like "WTF?" at the development and pacing of things. Especially all the scenes with Suzaku.

I don't mind a fast paced EP myself. I think EP 18&19 were spot on but this one was well short of the mark. Its the first EP since the turning point at EP 13 that i've given less than an eight too.

Hopefully the next few EP's will get up to the pevoius EP's quality or the bitching from the first half of R2 may resurface.

[Meatrose]

Pretty good episode. Not remotely as good as some others have been, but still pretty good. If I had to complain about something it would be that a lot of stuff felt kinda forced, and even though I love fast-paced storytelling I must say that this felt as if I was watching 20 minutes of some kind of compilation-movie where a lot of scenes had to be cut out in order to trim a series down to one compilation. The cuts were not done well.

They also have a huge amount of balls in the air now, and that means that they can't address all plotlines in every episode. The result? A specific plotline progresses at the speed of light (or beyond?) only to come to an abrupt halt whenever other plotlines have to be dealt with. It's not the optimal way of telling a story, but since the plot is so massive I guess they don't have a choice really. I still wish they would've left all the Ashford-crap out of this season. I really do think it would've been for the better.

[sliders_alpha]

hey, in the end (22:00) his hair are longer than usual =D

[metronome]

So true !!! " Go my son, avenge me, kill all your siblings, they deserve it ! And BTW, I'm not "entirely" dead" :heh:...J/K. Right now, I don't really know what to think about her.

NOT his REAL siblings tho, half sibling may be, they might have same father but have different mother.

[Darkcraft]

NOT his REAL siblings tho, half sibling may be, they might have same father but have different mother.
and for Lelouch we only sure for the mother :p

[Strettger]

and for Lelouch we only sure for the mother :p
Oh yes, Lelouch definitly takes heavily after his mother :heh:

[Darkcraft]

yea and Marianne bodyguard was Jeremiah huhuhu

[metronome]

yea and Marianne bodyguard was Jeremiah huhuhu

what about nunally then? the only part she looks the same with the mother is the hair~~ and of course she doesnt looks like the father either:D

[KnightWraith]

While still waiting for the sub to come out, I read all the post.. If CC turned off her code, what happen if somebody tries to kill her then? will she die? probably not..

[Dream_Traveller]

Uh, yes, she would, because the Code sustains her immortality.

[Revolutionist]

Lelouch needs to order his new geass army to wipe out the OoBK for being such traitorous dogs.

[nickcarloskim]

What kind of and how many Geass had been on Marrianae on earth?What's behind Knight One's right eye?No.20 brought in so many puzzles.

[Var]

Lelouch needs to order his new geass army to wipe out the OoBK for being such traitorous dogs.

But not Kallen. ;)

[Shadows_Esper]

How is this going to play out? C.C. is back, Marianne is a bad mother, Charles and Lelouch are locked together, Kallen is deciding whether to go to Lelouch or stay.

Lelouch finally did it, he geassed an entire army to do his bidding. Lelouch could have probably just bombed the door without going in. He could have lived a happy life with Kallen or Millay.

[KnightWraith]

Uh, yes, she would, because the Code sustains her immortality.

so you think she'll die.. right?!
If that is true, then she should have turned it off in the start hoping that someone will kill her.. granting her wish to die.

[Ichy]

I already start to miss slavegirl CC

[Dream_Traveller]

She contracted with Lelouch specifically because he would evolve over time to being the only one with the ability to kill him. No-one else.

[Kikuchi]

I already start to miss slavegirl CC

Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Not that I really cared that much about her, but she didn't really served any purpose and the return of "C.C." also feels so forced, gawd.

[mayumi]

i kinda feel sad that nunnally is the only one of the family that is dead now, unless she comes back opening her eyes and with geass to fight lelouch for the throne and was only pretending to be the nice little sister.

[metronome]

ok, how come I have a feeling that all of the episodes in code geass R2 is basically the mirror of all of the episodes in code geass R1

right now, the episode 20 of R2 is actually has the same feeling with code geass R1's episode 20, in the story where they(lelouch and suzaku) are both again joining their power to take down one enemy.

[Narona]

About the fireworks, someone here said that lelouch lied to rivalz, but he actually didn't.

He said that he will not be able to keep his promise.

[Ashlotte]

Ougi and the OBK in general are really starting to get on my nerves with their sudden moral righteousness BS. If it wasn't for lulu you'd have been dead long ago in a ghetto just another nameless forgotten wannabe freedom fighter...bleh.

Episode was ok otherwise...It felt kinda disjointed in parts, but atleast it kept things interesting. ;)

[Ronin Aquila]

so you think she'll die.. right?!
If that is true, then she should have turned it off in the start hoping that someone will kill her.. granting her wish to die.

But its been kinda established in Episode 14 - 15 that you have to have a candidate (AKA sucker/victim) whose body/soul you gradually metamorphose into a suitable vessel for immortality before you can pass your curse on. The Geass in and of itself may be a tool, but in truth it is like a viral agent injected into the victim that instigates said metamorphosis.

If C.C could just throw it away or pass it on as she pleases, she would have done so eons ago. Mao was (likely one of many) a failed attempt.

[bladeofdarkness]

how funny is it that one moment after the black knights talk about how lulu used them as pawns we see what its really like when lulu uses people as pawns
nice way of showing just how far off they were

[danny20]

But not Kallen. ;)

Kallen included.
If she still didn't left the OoBK by then, By god's will kill kallen to lelouch.

[Var]

Kallen included.
If she still didn't left the OoBK by then, By god's will kill kallen to lelouch.

Seeing as how Lelouch was leaving something important and defenseless in Kallen's hands, I do not think he'd want her dead. This episode showed that he trusts her more than anyone if anything.

[danny20]

Seeing as how Lelouch was leaving something important and defenseless in Kallen's hands, I do not think he'd want her dead. This episode showed that he trusts her more than anyone if anything.

You mean c.c, well if you watched episode 20 you see thats not needed anymore.

[bladeofdarkness]

Kallen included.
If she still didn't left the OoBK by then, By god's will kill kallen to lelouch.

he wanted her to stay to protect C.C
and now that C.C isnt there kallen wouldnt be much longer either
seems like everyone is going to kaminejima

[Var]

You mean c.c, well if you watched episode 20 you see thats not needed anymore.

Not like he knows. The point is, he trusted her.

[El_Negro]

DAMN!!! I kinda miss the moe ChiChi too but it has to be done to conclude the Geass part and proceed with the final battle.

This is beginning to play off a bit like Gundam Seed: Destiny. Where Dullindal in the beginning was made to look like a good guy whose trying to prevent any wars or bloodshed from starting and then goes off to pull some crazy-ass shit plan like the destiny plan that binds people to perform what they're born to do limiting their options & freedom, this plan thus makes Dullindal the final villan for Athrun & Kira to take out.

From the looks of it, Schniezel is gonna utilize Freya to keep all the other nations and the UFN in check. But from the looks of the little discussion between Kaguya & co. with the Black Knights & Schniezel, she probably suspects some shit is going on behind that death announcement of Zero, especially when Schniezel heard the news about Suzaku finally setting the task of assinating the Emperor thus making Schniezel leave in the middle of their discussion (Schniezel feels his plans are set in motion), she said she had one more thing to do before they can reach an agreement (probably ask to see the body of her dead hubby to actually confirm the report).

Marieanne & C.C. are gonna help Lelouch take out Chuckles and tell Lelouch everything about the geass and the real culprit of the assination attempt (I think it's C.C.) but we'll see.

Man, Suzaku finally admits he's a douchebag. I'm beginning to think he's actually dumber than Shinn from GSD but we hope he comes to his senses soon.

Anyways this episode kicks ass can't wait 4 the next one. I gave it an 8

[Lunarskylar]

the 'us' marianne refers to
sounds like possibly an organization to stop charles
or are they allied with charles?
and how does schenziel play into this since he took marianne's body
if she faked her death, did he help?

[leechbox]

Before i watch this episode in raw, are there any subs out yet? Or in a couple of hours like usual. (Like 4-9pm est -5 timezone)

[UrbanSniper]

Before i watch this episode in raw, are there any subs out yet? Or in a couple of hours like usual. (Like 4-9pm est -5 timezone)

There is a sub out there; I watched it.

Quite the interesting episode to say the least; I'm going to have to watch it again to make sure I got everything out of it.

[finalnight]

Very exciting episode, though it seemed to have less content then the last four or five.

[Freya]

DAMN!!! I kinda miss the moe ChiChi too but it has to be done to conclude the Geass part and proceed with the final battle.

This is beginning to play off a bit like Gundam Seed: Destiny. Where Dullindal in the beginning was made to look like a good guy whose trying to prevent any wars or bloodshed from starting and then goes off to pull some crazy-ass shit plan like the destiny plan that binds people to perform what they're born to do limiting their options & freedom, this plan thus makes Dullindal the final villan for Athrun & Kira to take out.

From the looks of it, Schniezel is gonna utilize Freya to keep all the other nations and the UFN in check. But from the looks of the little discussion between Kaguya & co. with the Black Knights & Schniezel, she probably suspects some shit is going on behind that death announcement of Zero, especially when Schniezel heard the news about Suzaku finally setting the task of assinating the Emperor thus making Schniezel leave in the middle of their discussion (Schniezel feels his plans are set in motion), she said she had one more thing to do before they can reach an agreement (probably ask to see the body of her dead hubby to actually confirm the report).

Marieanne & C.C. are gonna help Lelouch take out Chuckles and tell Lelouch everything about the geass and the real culprit of the assination attempt (I think it's C.C.) but we'll see.

Man, Suzaku finally admits he's a douchebag. I'm beginning to think he's actually dumber than Shinn from GSD but we hope he comes to his senses soon.

Anyways this episode kicks ass can't wait 4 the next one. I gave it an 8

Dude claiming Suazaku is dumber than Shinn?? That's epic rofl. :heh::heh:

[Orga777]

Holy shit... This episode answered a few questions but raised SO MANY MORE!

Does Anya have Marianne's spirit implanted in her or something? And if so, how the hell did that happen? Does Schneizel know something with that since he moved the body? What are Marianne's and C.C.'s true goals?

What is Schneizel's "other" definition of Authority? Is he going to end up being the true bad guy or is he going to end up the true good guy? Either is possible now.

Suzaku is resolved, but who does he want to fight for? Lelouch perhaps? He tossed away his idealist way of thinking and is now like Lelouch when it comes to "results" but now he fights totally against Geass (which seems to be what he blames everything on) just like Cornelia. So what will happen there? (Suzaku with a sword is also badass.)

What the shit? Bismark has a Geass too?! What does HIS do?

What the hell does Ragnarok do?

How much does Kaguya suspect? And how much does she know?

What will Jeremiah do?

We now know the full feelings of the Black Knight members though, but what will they do? What will Kallen do? Will she abandon the BK's? Or will she stick with them?

The pieces are all assembling for a final all out battle. Everyone is going to be there at Kaminejima! This is going to be the GREATEST finale to a series ever the way things are shaping up! We have four main players and a board full of pieces. Let the games being!

ONLY FIVE MORE EPISODES TO GO! WHOOOOO!

[Kushi]

Mmm well, this episode was interesting. Entertaining nevertheless, however it seems so rushed o_O. This episode makes me wonder why Code geass isn't like a 13 episode series.... The same old CG bs, they don't explain anything nor does anything happen with a logical sense, stuff just happens.. o_O.

Code Geass REALLY needs to work on their foreshadowing and stop pulling crap out of their ass for the sake of surprising us. I've personally given up on trying to figure out what's next and I'm just watching Cg for the fanservice and just to finish a series... I'll give it less than 1 for the story, however interms of purely entertainment value I'll give it a 8.5, so 9 :P.

[El_Negro]

Dude claiming Suazaku is dumber than Shinn?? That's epic rofl. :heh::heh:

Shinn didn't know he's being used as a weapon and was played like an ass by Rey & Dullindal

Suzaku knows he's being used as a weapon and now wants to gain the full results of it saying that the ends now justify the means, WTF man!? :eyebrow:

Whether or not Schniezel is good or bad is heavily dependent on the next episode, I'll consider Foxxfire thread on his speculation on Schniezel and his sword of damocles weapon.

[Orga777]

Mmm well, this episode was interesting. Entertaining nevertheless, however it seems so rushed o_O. This episode makes me wonder why Code geass isn't like a 13 episode series.... The same old CG bs, they don't explain anything nor does anything happen with a logical sense, stuff just happens.. o_O.

Code Geass REALLY needs to work on their foreshadowing and stop pulling crap out of their ass for the sake of surprising us. I've personally given up on trying to figure out what's next and I'm just watching Cg for the fanservice and just to finish a series... I'll give it less than 1 for the story, however interms of purely entertainment value I'll give it a 8.5, so 9 :P.

Aw come on now. The plot turns are what make the series so damn great. It is like Metal Gear Solid in that regard. You will NEVER figure it all out till everything is explained. Which, well, will be soon. Next episode seems like it will be an explanation episode after all. As for foreshadowing, that HAS been done actually. Especially witht he Anya thing. We just didn't know what to think though.

[infinimonium]

Awesome episode. I wonder how many "levels" Lelouch gained by geassing an army... if he's like 1 exp away from maxing out his skill I'll just laugh :D:heh:
-WTF C.C. and Marianne, now we have witch X 2.
-Karen had like two seconds of air time, expecting her to kick some ass next epsiode, probably together with Orange kun.
-Kaguya is lovely as usual, don't know how her role is going to play out though.
-I don't give a damn about Suzaku but looks like his fall was key...?
Random imagination---
Charles: "my beloved son, I have been trying to do this for a long time, but we were always occupied by work... now we that have all the time in the world... I'm going to shit on you!!! AHAHAHAH"
What would you do if you are alone with the someone you hate the most in this world, for eternity? There are only so many things you can do with two guys, you know... All hail boredom! ;);)

[Orga777]

Shinn didn't know he's being used as a weapon and was played like an ass by Rey & Dullindal

Suzaku knows he's being used as a weapon and now wants to gain the full results of it saying that the ends now justify the means, WTF man!? :eyebrow:

Whether or not Schniezel is good or bad is heavily dependent on the next episode, I'll consider Foxxfire thread on his speculation on Schniezel and his sword of damocles weapon.

Well, yes, Suzaku just wants results now. But as for the "ends" stuff, we haven't really seen that from him here. He wants to take up the sorrows of everyone and bear them himself and with them, strike the Emperor down. Not that anyone can blame him for wanting to gut the Emperor with an (awesome) sword, Curly Tops is the cause for all the suffering and does nothing and Suzaku wants to take him down just as much as Lelouch.

Speaking of Lelouch, Suzaku and Lelouch will settle their differences and team up again. Watch.

[ApostleOfGod]

With this, all the spoilers, including the most recent "Korean spoilers" are put to an end.

Damn, so much to take in, and I'm already waiting for next week..

[Makoto_Must_DIE]

I just hope the rest of the series isn't like this. It was a weak episode. Too rushed. I didn't feel that way about 18 & 19. Those were very fast paced but managed not to feel rushed and choppy like this one. This is the first episode where I was just like "WTF?" at the development and pacing of things. Especially all the scenes with Suzaku.

Anytime you have episodes like these, iffy animation and slightly rushed, that means that something epic is going to happen soon. They have to allocate enough money for the important/significant parts.

Kind of like how everyone was complaining of the episode where they were wearing those asshats when they were back in school and everyone was ordered to chase down Lelouch for his hat? Guess what happened 2 episodes later? Shirley died. That episode was significant in marking the end of anymore 'happy, hijink filled Ashford' episodes.

So all we can do is to sit back and wait another week for the humongous twists that are going to go down in this show.

Though I didn't think that the episode was weak. Some pretty important things happened.

[cupahe]

Anytime you have episodes like these, iffy animation and slightly rushed, that means that something epic is going to happen soon. They have to allocate enough money for the important/significant parts.

Kind of like how everyone was complaining of the episode where they were wearing those asshats when they were back in school and everyone was ordered to chase down Lelouch for his hat? Guess what happened 2 episodes later? Shirley died. That episode was significant in marking the end of anymore 'happy, hijink filled Ashford' episodes.

So all we can do is to sit back and wait another week for the humongous twists that are going to go down in this show.

Though I didn't think that the episode was weak. Some pretty important things happened.

well the next episode looks boring and low budget as hell so i doubt its for 21

[sLum]

Anyone have a feeling the main villains are Marianne and CC?

[Ichy]

Anyone have a feeling the main villains are Marianne and CC?

I`d gladly turn to the dark side then :p

[sLum]

I`d gladly turn to the dark side then :p

Really? By villians I mean they want to kill everyone.

[danny20]

kaguya and xing ke don't believe that zero is dead?
around 20the minute she says I only know of 1 person who would turn agains the emperor.
and xing ke says: I agree
strange.
And ougi seems troubled by it :P

[Freya]

kaguya and xing ke don't believe that zero is dead?
around 20the minute she says I only know of 1 person who would turn agains the emperor.
and xing ke says: I agree
strange.
And ougi seems troubled by it :P

Well first of all, Xing-Ke himself is smarter than the rest of the BK. And Kaguya likewise except for maybe Toudou. So besides that I doubt they would believe he suddenly died or something.

[yugioh5000]

amazing episode cant wait for the next one

[Kaze]

Well first of all, Xing-Ke himself is smarter than the rest of the BK. And Kaguya likewise except for maybe Toudou. So besides that I doubt they would believe he suddenly died or something.

Xing-Ke is as smart as lelouch, so if he doesn't figure this one out, then they just made him a lot stupider :uhoh:

[Freya]

Xing-Ke is as smart as lelouch, so if he doesn't figure this one out, then they just made him a lot stupider :uhoh:

I doubt Xing-ke would dump Lelouch just like that even after finding out he's a prince.

[Ichy]

Really? By villians I mean they want to kill everyone.
CC and Marianne are not some shitty DBZ Villians. They might have a good reason to slaghter everyone :heh:

[Velden]

Impressions:

-Lelouch definetely plans to die with the emperor, leaves C.C under Kallen`s care. Bad idea, Kallen didn`t do a nice job guarding her...And it seems the geass paranoia didn`t happen in the end.
-Susaku takes lelouch`s path and wants to take all the blame about the lives lost by his actions. He finally thinks that the emperor is the one to blame about euphemia`s death, because he perfectly could have stopped everything.
-Marianne is evil. (ok, perhaps not, but come on...geass a child in order to steal her body and keep living, abandon her own son with a witch of more than a hundred years only to start a massacre against his other brothers and sisters...and the only moment she appears is in order to return c.c`s memories and tell her she should have died...)
-Everyone is troubled on what to do, Kaguya and Xingke are the only ones who doubt that zero died...
-Schneizel finally is starting to show his true nature. well...it was already hinted before...even Cornelia is surprised.

[sLum]

CC and Marianne are not some shitty DBZ Villians. They might have a good reason to slaghter everyone :heh:

Evil doesn't need reason to kill people. They just do as a show of power.

[golthin]

Evil doesn't need reason to kill people. They just do as a show of power.

this show never stops surprising me! just the appearance of certain person made this show a 10.

[danny20]

Impressions:

-Lelouch definetely plans to die with the emperor, leaves C.C under Kallen`s care. Bad idea, Kallen didn`t do a nice job guarding her...And it seems the geass paranoia didn`t happen in the end.
-Susaku takes lelouch`s path and wants to take all the blame about the lives lost by his actions. He finally thinks that the emperor is the one to blame about euphemia`s death, because he perfectly could have stopped everything.
-Marianne is evil. (ok, perhaps not, but come on...geass a child in order to steal her body and keep living, abandon her own son with a witch of more than a hundred years only to start a massacre against his other brothers and sisters...and the only moment she appears is in order to return c.c`s memories and tell her she should have died...)
-Everyone is troubled on what to do, Kaguya and Xingke are the only ones who doubt that zero died...
-Schneizel finally is starting to show his true nature. well...it was already hinted before...even Cornelia is surprised.

Yea I think xing-ke will find out that zero is alive.
He already thinks that zero is the on attacking the emperor at the end of the episode.
I soooo love the look on ougi face when they say we will postbone the meeting till we know more.

[ScudFace]

I have the say the animation was a bit off this episode and the pacing is messed up. Also, if lelouch could have done what he did with his geass this episode all along then why did he go thru the trouble of building the black knights in the first place??? God i hope the trainwreck stops this week.

[gabbytay]

Lelouch geassing armies was awesome especially the entrance with knightmare crossing their weapons.

[Bennyswan]

Yes!! Just saw the episode and C.C~ welcome back. :D

[Orga777]

I have the say the animation was a bit off this episode and the pacing is messed up. Also, if lelouch could have done what he did with his geass this episode all along then why did he go thru the trouble of building the black knights in the first place??? God i hope the trainwreck stops this week.

I think you are complaining too much here.

The animation wasn't that bad and the pacing, while rushed, HAS to be now. And even though it was rushed, the flow of the episode was never broken and it worked well.

As for Geassing armies... well, he didn't do that in the beginning because... 1) too easy for him and 2) we wouldn't have a show. :p

[kramerica]

Lulu probably believes he's gonna spend eternity with his Dad, so he may as well dump any notions of morality of mass Geassing people :P

[Freya]

I have the say the animation was a bit off this episode and the pacing is messed up. Also, if lelouch could have done what he did with his geass this episode all along then why did he go thru the trouble of building the black knights in the first place??? God i hope the trainwreck stops this week.

And I believe he disliked the idea or something. But now he has nothing so eh why not? Lol.

[danny20]

Lulu probably believes he's gonna spend eternity with his Dad, so he may as well dump any notions of morality of mass Geassing people :P

No he thinks everyone already thinks he is mass geassing people.
so why not really do it :P

[Freya]

Lulu probably believes he's gonna spend eternity with his Dad, so he may as well dump any notions of morality of mass Geassing people :P

I'm surprised he didn't upgrade to Geass Lv 2

[golthin]

oh jeez. *deletes and re-posts*


Hi guys. "Kare wo" does not mean "Kallen".

Posting since wita asked on IRC.

reminds me of my early days learning japanese! I had to go back many times to try to find out where the mentioning of Kallen was and never found it. so that is where people get that. :P

[ApostleOfGod]

No, it's not quite that, regarding the "do what I tell you" geass.

I thought of the same thing when he did it. Before, when it crossed my mind, I said that would be an imbalanced power. But then now that he says that command..

My best description of that would be this:

When you tell someone to "Do what I tell you" and they unwillingly obey, you have to tell them what to do (obvious). Consider this with armies of thousands. He's not going to be on patrol 24/7 to tell all the different people he geassed what to do. This is just a logical explanation. What happened in the ship, he may have told them multiple commands, but his last one was obviously one that would continue until their demise - rebel against the Britannian forces.

If he ever Geassed Suzaku in that sense, or any other character, it might be that once the command is completed, Geass would wear out (natural with Lulu's geass), or they may standby and await future commands. Which would simply not work out. Otherwise, there isn't really a point to the "you can only use geass once". It's like me saying, "I order you to let me Geass you ten more times." And the opposition agrees. -_-

Damn.. All this Marianne villany talk.. I didn't see her as being so evil, although there is lots of clearly evident irony in the C.C. Marianne talk (good mother coming back to save her son, etc. etc.).

Well, time to rewatch! :D

[sLum]

Really nothing good about faking your death, taking over a little girl and abandoning your kids.

[5_of_Spades]

I find it strange how most of us assumed that Marianne is a kind and gentle lady, when she piloted one of the first nightmares, was most likely part of/involved in the Britannia military, and probably was crafty/militant enough for Cornelia to admire her.

I mean, the princess used her as a role model, and didn't turn out to be a kind and gentle lady now did she?

[Diedrupo]

Damn.. All this Marianne villany talk.. I didn't see her as being so evil, although there is lots of clearly evident irony in the C.C. Marianne talk (good mother coming back to save her son, etc. etc.).


I don't see it either. People are reaaaally stretching things. But that's what usually happens around here. :P

[finalnight]

Marianne the Flash, she is like Yourichi, rofl.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I don't see it either. People are reaaaally stretching things. But that's what usually happens around here. :P

Not just around here but in any Geass related discussion on the internet.

[Shizuka Hiou]

Well C.C. is back. that's a good thing

[Velden]

I have the say the animation was a bit off this episode and the pacing is messed up. Also, if lelouch could have done what he did with his geass this episode all along then why did he go thru the trouble of building the black knights in the first place??? God i hope the trainwreck stops this week.

I would say because lelouch is someone proud of himself and he doesn`t like the idea of creating an organization based only on geass but rather on his own skills (schneizel already proved that in his chess match with zero). He seems to use only the desired commands according to his needs.


If he ever Geassed Suzaku in that sense, or any other character, it might be that once the command is completed, Geass would wear out (natural with Lulu's geass), or they may standby and await future commands. Which would simply not work out. Otherwise, there isn't really a point to the "you can only use geass once". It's like me saying, "I order you to let me Geass you ten more times." And the opposition agrees. -_-


I don`t think that order could be applied because being geassed is not a voluntary action. And geass doesn`t work if the command is beyond what the victim is able to do, so the command itself would be ignored and lelouch would have to give another order.

[Hari Michiru]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I really enjoyed this episode. Everything was so BAMN, IN YOUR FACE! to me, and kept slapping stuff onto us. It might be fast-paced, but I didn't feel it was choppy at all. Hell, CG has to be fast-paced now, if they don't want to leave any plotholes by the end of the series.

People are taking Marianne's words about the 'idealistic mother' thingy too seriously. Have you ever considered sarcasm? xD

I can just imagine the next episode:

Lelouch: *takes out chessboard* So pops, wanna play?
Charles: Hell, why not? We have all eternity.

:D

[bladeofdarkness]

why didnt he just stay outside and blow the door ?

[Var]

why didnt he just stay outside and blow the door ?

He wants to destroy geass. He has geass and has no knowledge of C.C. and Marianne scheming behind his back.

[demon_god04]

Lelouch is also doing this as his atonement so he is basically punishing himself along with Charles.

[FoxxFireArt]

why didnt he just stay outside and blow the door ?

It's called drama. It's more dramatic to have a confrontation with the Emperor. Otherwise there is no reason for Charles to talk about what he's doing or motivations there in.
It would just seem silly if he suddenly started talking out loud to himself about what his plan is about.

[Strettger]

It's called drama. It's more dramatic to have a confrontation with the Emperor. Otherwise there is no reason for Charles to talk about what he's doing or motivations there in.
It would just seem silly if he suddenly started talking out loud to himself about what his plan is about.

He could talk to Clovis' ghost again....

[Hari Michiru]

It's called drama. It's more dramatic to have a confrontation with the Emperor. Otherwise there is no reason for Charles to talk about what he's doing or motivations there in.
It would just seem silly if he suddenly started talking out loud to himself about what his plan is about.

"Oh my! Charlie's gone crazy!" :heh:

[UFO888]

This is quite an episode. I thought Mariane with her knightmare reputation can at least do something to Bismarck, or maybe she not bother to fight him atm? But her sure is a good actor. Now I know how zero growns up to be such an excellent schemer and actor, he sure knows how to get all the good genes from his parent xd.I would withhold judgement on how Mariane as a mother until more information is revealed. To someone who said that cornelia and jeremiah idolize her and not hestitate to do a massacre, Nina also idolizes Euphy and guess what she has done? And being a good pilot knighmare has nothing to do with how much she loves her children. They are entirely different matters here. Good to see the old CC back. Kaguya is jus as strong in emotional sense and smart as ever. And I lol at how OUgi can accuse zero for using them as pwas and what not, hello at least he doesnt forget to recuse kallen while you who is a close friend of her brother and all forget about it because you are too busy to play with your villeta :frustrated:. And Suzaku ... no comment.

[5_of_Spades]

The thing with Marianne is, that she could have been a mass murderer who did the front charges for her husband and still have great (misguided?) love in her children.

I mean Cornelia is a mass murderer, but she loves her sister. Same could be said of Lulu.

[ApostleOfGod]

So.. Did they get Japan back afterall? -_-


Oh, and Schnizzle has some serious screentime which is Excellent.

[Strettger]

The thing with Marianne is, that she could have been a mass murderer who did the front charges for her husband and still have great (misguided?) love in her children.

I mean Cornelia is a mass murderer, but she loves her sister. Same could be said of Lulu.

Either way the Marriane/Lelouch reuinion is likely to be awesome and a tearjerker.

Can you almost see Lelouch finaly breaking down and crying now that he has lost everything and has his mother back?

*Can see Marrianya hugging a sobbing Lelouch in his minds eye*

[Hari Michiru]

So.. Did they get Japan back afterall? -_-

Of course not. They just allied themselves with Britannia, I think.

[JesseJamesRocket]

The whole, "destroy all lies" thing is completely meaningless to me, since everyone who cares and has cared so much about lies withholds information that would likely prevent the conflict in the first place. Not to mention the old: "Beware, when you fight monsters lest you become one yourself" is in full effect. I'm really beginning to fear that whatever the outcome of R2, it's just not going to matter, because just about everyone's a freakin sell out, or a hypocrite, or both.

[5_of_Spades]

Either way the Marriane/Lelouch reuinion is likely to be awesome and a tearjerker.

Can you almost see Lelouch finaly breaking down and crying now that he has lost everything and has his mother back?

*Can see Marrianya hugging a sobbing Lelouch in his minds eye*

I really hope that is the case.

Crossing my fingers that Marriane turns out to be a kinder woman. Otherwise Lelouch will crack even more when he finds his long-deceased mother back among the living and off the childhood pedestal he's erected in his mind.

[Strettger]

The whole, "destroy all lies" thing is completely meaningless to me, since everyone who cares and has cared so much about lies withholds information that would likely prevent the conflict in the first place. Not to mention the old: "Beware, when you fight monsters lest you become one yourself" is in full effect. I'm really beginning to fear that whatever the outcome of R2, it's just not going to matter, because just about everyone's a freakin sell out, or a hypocrite, or both.
Yep, Geass reflects the realworld quite well in the sell out, hypocrite or both department and nations becoming monstrous when fighting monstrous people....

[prototype_sky]

The whole, "destroy all lies" thing is completely meaningless to me, since everyone who cares and has cared so much about lies withholds information that would likely prevent the conflict in the first place. Not to mention the old: "Beware, when you fight monsters lest you become one yourself" is in full effect. I'm really beginning to fear that whatever the outcome of R2, it's just not going to matter, because just about everyone's a freakin sell out, or a hypocrite, or both.

Maybe Charles was the only good guy by wanting to destroy such a world :heh:
Heck suzaku accused him of doing nothing :D

[Ypocaramel]

Marriane does sound a lot like how Lelouch described her somewhere, though. Her voice is soft and kind of playful, but you can tell she's incredibly smart and has goals. Quite incredible, really.

The Vincent continues to be a deathtrap. First Guilford, the Valkyries, then Rolo, and now the Emperor's guard. You'll die in that thing, I guarantee it.

[etothex]

i know we are all (those of us who matter at least XD) biting our fingers about Kallen still sticking around, but here's something i caught, if you can disregard Toudou's awfully drawn face.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4292/ggcodegeassr22025a29defcn2.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ggcodegeassr22025a29defcn2.jpg)

@16:37 on GG's. Bks all gathering in control room, but she's noticeably absent. So is she checking up on CC, or getting ready to run, or using missing CC as an excuse to run. Let's hope it leads to something next ep.

[Cat Megex]

Either way the Marriane/Lelouch reuinion is likely to be awesome and a tearjerker.

More likely to be a "WTF?" moment, actually.

"If you only knew the true power of Geass...C.C. never told you what really happened to your mother."

"I know enough. I know that she was murdered in front of my eyes!"

"No, Lelouch...I am your mother."

"...What the f**k are you talking about, Anya?"

"No, really, I'm your mom. I used the Geass that I received from C.C. to place my consciousness inside Anya's body, and every now and then I take control of her body, like right now. Oh, and I went into the World of C and unsealed C.C.'s code."

"...." *Lelouch walks away*

(Kudos to the first person who gets the [fairly obvious, in my opinion, but potentially not] reference. Or maybe to the first three people. *shrugs*)

[5_of_Spades]

More likely to be a "WTF?" moment, actually.

"If you only knew the true power of Geass...C.C. never told you what really happened to your mother."

"I know enough. I know that she was murdered in front of my eyes!"

"No, Lelouch...I am your mother."

"...What the f**k are you talking about, Anya?"

"No, really, I'm your mom. I used the Geass that I received from C.C. to place my consciousness inside Anya's body, and every now and then I take control of her body, like right now. Oh, and I went into the World of C and unsealed C.C.'s code."

"...." *Lelouch walks away*

(Kudos to the first person who gets the [fairly obvious, in my opinion, but potentially not] reference. Or maybe to the first three people. *shrugs*)


"Lelouch...I AM YOUR MOTHER!" (insert rasping noise)
"NOOOOooooooooo!"

[Cat Megex]

"Lelouch...I AM YOUR MOTHER!" (insert rasping noise)
"NOOOOooooooooo!"

Nyeheheh. XD

[prototype_sky]

So is Marriane geass the ability to take control of people?

[JackRydden224]

So is Marriane geass the ability to take control of people?

I think its more like to place her mind/conscious inside of someone else's body and ability to take over when she wants.

In episode 19 when Anya forced Lelouch into a pinch Marianne gave her a headache to stop the attack. In episode 20 Anya had red circles around her pupil when Marianne is in charge. The electronic diary Anya uses probably belonged to Marianne at one point that's why she doesn't remember writing some of the entries. Suzaku thought Anya's memories were altered but it looks like a completely different person wrote them.

Lelouch and Marianne's reunion should be some type of a shocker, I imagine there would be a hug scene but Marianne would switch back to Anya just to mess with Lelouch for a bit :heh:

[Hari Michiru]

Lelouch and Marianne's reunion should be some type of a shocker, I imagine there would be a hug scene but Marianne would switch back to Anya just to mess with Lelouch for a bit :heh:

I can actually see her doing that. :D

[ApostleOfGod]

Lol. Imagine Lulu ends up getting together with Anya.

The romantic night finally comes.

....


That would really be when she can mess with him. -_-

[FlareKnight]

Well all the comical stuff that can happen with Marianne aside. Anya's body is being highjacked and hopefully that will get resolved before the end. The situation has already made her not trust memories. This is a lot more messed up for her than having her memories altered by the Emperor's geass.

[sLum]

Well all the comical stuff that can happen with Marianne aside. Anya's body is being highjacked and hopefully that will get resolved before the end. The situation has already made her not trust memories. This is a lot more messed up for her than having her memories altered by the Emperor's geass.

It just comes down to which side is more evil? CC/Marianne or Charles/VV and who is the end boss? Schneizal? I have a feeling it's something much more complex and it involve his mother and cc as the main baddies instead of his father/siblings.

[lightbringer]

(Kudos to the first person who gets the [fairly obvious, in my opinion, but potentially not] reference. Or maybe to the first three people. *shrugs*)

I was already thinking about it in terms of Luke/Vader way before you posted, way back when that scan appeared (where everyone went "it's shopped" but which came true in this episode). I shudder to think what that says about us, lol.

On an unrelated note, but more on topic, I just noticed how dejected Curly looks when Lelouch interrupts him at the end. He has "not HIM again" written all over his face. I wonder if he's beginning to regret letting Lelouch live and using him as bait for C.C. instead of having him killed off as a rebel.

[yugioh5000]

thank god CC is back

[Cat Megex]

I shudder to think what that says about us, lol.

Don't worry, geekiness and/or nerdiness are/is nothing to be ashamed of.

[Kaze]

I was already thinking about it in terms of Luke/Vader way before you posted, way back when that scan appeared (where everyone went "it's shopped" but which came true in this episode). I shudder to think what that says about us, lol.

On an unrelated note, but more on topic, I just noticed how dejected Curly looks when Lelouch interrupts him at the end. He has "not HIM again" written all over his face. I wonder if he's beginning to regret letting Lelouch live and using him as bait for C.C. instead of having him killed off as a rebel.

I loved the way he screamed "Lelooouch" :rolleyes:

[morbosfist]

On an unrelated note, but more on topic, I just noticed how dejected Curly looks when Lelouch interrupts him at the end. He has "not HIM again" written all over his face. I wonder if he's beginning to regret letting Lelouch live and using him as bait for C.C. instead of having him killed off as a rebel.He probably didn't expect Lelouch to be such a huge thorn. No doubt he regrets it now. Immortality made him overconfident.

[kamuinoyume]

Man this episode pissed me, not the episode itself but the RAW's and subs I downloaded, it took me 2 hours to download the mkv, overall I really enjoyed this one, especially the new Suzaku.

[Cipheric]

I hope they kill the emperor :D!

[kamuinoyume]

He probably didn't expect Lelouch to be such a huge thorn. No doubt he regrets it now. Immortality made him overconfident.

I'm really glad he got what he deserved though I think that he's going to find a way to escape in the next episode.

[dee32]

I really don't like the eight members of OotBK who know Zero's identity . How far are they willing to perpetrate this lie that Zero is was KIA. I'm glad Kaguya and Li don't believe what they been told and are going to the island. I hope Kallen goes with them.

[ashlay]

I'm really glad he got what he deserved though I think that he's going to find a way to escape in the next episode.
no...I don't think he will.

If he discloses the truth of everything that's happened to Lelouch (Marianne's "death", geass, etc.) as it looks like he will from the preview, his purpose is fulfilled, and he will therefore have nothing left to do but die.

[sLum]

no...I don't think he will.

If he discloses the truth of everything that's happened to Lelouch (Marianne's "death", geass, etc.) as it looks like he will from the preview, his purpose is fulfilled, and he will therefore have nothing left to do but die.

He can just live in the "world above humans". I can imagine father and son teaming up to save the world.

[morbosfist]

I really don't like the eight members of OotBK who know Zero's identity . How far are they willing to perpetrate this lie that Zero is was KIA. I'm glad Kaguya and Li don't believe what they been told and are going to the island. I hope Kallen goes with them.She can do little but go. They can't really get rid of their best pilot. Kallen will probably be helping Li and Kaguya more than her former comrades.

[FlareKnight]

It just comes down to which side is more evil? CC/Marianne or Charles/VV and who is the end boss? Schneizal? I have a feeling it's something much more complex and it involve his mother and cc as the main baddies instead of his father/siblings.The evil scale needs to get brought out and have all the forces at work take a turn standing on it :heh:. Maybe just making the Geass as the true enemy really does make sense. The amount of lives damaged/destroyed by it is staggering. I'm just curious how it will all end up. With only a few episodes ago this could get messy.

[kamuinoyume]

no...I don't think he will.

If he discloses the truth of everything that's happened to Lelouch (Marianne's "death", geass, etc.) as it looks like he will from the preview, his purpose is fulfilled, and he will therefore have nothing left to do but die.

You have got to be kidding me he already knows about Marianne, surely, now you didn't think he was doing all this to bring back he's dead wife like Pegasus?

[tbl]

This is feeling a bit rushed to me. Especially last week, Lelouch's identity being revealed wasn't as epic as it should've been.

[Village Idiot]

You know, what if Marianne was never "Marianne"?

What if her Geass power is to upload herself into someone else's mind and she's been doing it for god knows how long?

[sLum]

You know, what if Marianne was never "Marianne"?

What if her Geass power is to upload herself into someone else's mind and she's been doing it for god knows how long?

you blew my mind.

[kamuinoyume]

You know, what if Marianne was never "Marianne"?

What if her Geass power is to upload herself into someone else's mind and she's been doing it for god knows how long?

She couldn't have outlived CC because she admitted that she got the geass from her

[scifijimmy]

Besides the possible feeling that this is getting rushed as we finish this out, I saw this episode as being build up towards next week's episode. I AM glad however, that we're finally getting around to Anya and the geass mystery. Only thing left on that front is why it is Marianne has to use Anya as a physical host and what other abilities are within her Geass? On a side note did Charles give KOR #1, Bismarck, a Geass that manifests in the sewn eye?

[morbosfist]

Besides the possible feeling that this is getting rushed as we finish this out, I saw this episode as being build up towards next week's episode. I AM glad however, that we're finally getting around to Anya and the geass mystery. Only thing left on that front is why it is Marianne has to use Anya as a physical host and what other abilities are within her Geass? On a side note did Charles give KOR #1, Bismarck, a Geass that manifests in the sewn eye?It's hard to tell. Geass eyes usually don't glow with such intensity, though it might be the lack of space for light to escape causing extra glow.

[tbl]

I could really see Marianne being at least somewhat evil. The Code Geass universe tends to screw Lelouch.

[morbosfist]

But he always gets back up. That's part of the message they've been trying to hammer through, I think. Geass isolates people, but as much as it has tried to do so with Lelouch, he keeps coming back.

[Dextro]

Hum... Has anyone else noticed that the famous Korean spoilers ended on the same episode the animation studio changed? I wonder if it was made as a response to the spoilers or if it's just a coincidence (but damn those spoilers were spot on, common interpretation mistakes and all :| )

[nutype]

horrible writing, random mutiny, suzaku finally seeing the light

[5_of_Spades]

You know, what if Marianne was never "Marianne"?

What if her Geass power is to upload herself into someone else's mind and she's been doing it for god knows how long?

That'd be messed up. She could have been jumping from one identity to another for a long time (shorter than C.C.'s life, but still could be a pretty long time).

(Would be freaky if Charles figured it out and that's why he tried to kill her. That is, if he doesn't already know about Anya, which is a possibility.)

[pasta]

Noooo! Where is my penguin army... :upset:

[Edgewalker]

I was wondering when/if Lelouch was ever going to figure out that he could just simply be geassing people with "from now on, you will do whatever I tell you to do." instead of the other lame commands he could come up with at the time.

I have slightly more respect for him now...slightly...

[SonOfHeaven]

Noooo! Where is my penguin army... :upset:

I guess it was joke lol.

[Strettger]

She couldn't have outlived CC because she admitted that she got the geass from her

If Marriane got it from C.C that only means that in terms of age C.C >/=Marriane.
Hell, Marriane could be potentialy be older by a margin if 16yr old contractor C.C gave Geass to 30yr old Marriane :eyebrow:

Its a nice idea but feels too reminiscent of Full Metal Alchemist.

[Finre]

There is nothing special except Marianne's debut.Things are getting interesting.İ expect Kaguya and Xing-Ke to stay loyal to Lelouch whatever happens.

There is a possibility that marianne's body is not her real body either.She and C.C could be partners from long time ago.And i expect that charles is not the final evil and he understood about marianne and tried to kill her.But he couldnt because of her geass.İ also expect that C.C will betray Marianne.
Other posibble scenario is Charles is suffered like Lelouch and he is trying to end his suffering along with the world :).Also Marianne have her own objectives and in the end C.C will give his code to Lelouch and will die for him.Then Lelouch will kill both his parents and will choose to stay alive for eternity for repentance :D

[kamuinoyume]

I was wondering when/if Lelouch was ever going to figure out that he could just simply be geassing people with "from now on, you will do whatever I tell you to do." instead of the other lame commands he could come up with at the time.

I have slightly more respect for him now...slightly...

You know he has been doing it since season one, well the last episodes that is, you remember when the platform collapsed in ep 24

[Jehuty]

You know, what if Marianne was never "Marianne"?

What if her Geass power is to upload herself into someone else's mind and she's been doing it for god knows how long?

You mean for her to be similar to Miang from Xenogears?

If so, this series rocks just a little more.

[SonOfHeaven]

You mean for her to be similar to Miang from Xenogears?

If so, this series rocks just a little more.

Off topic.



Xenogears was an awesome game.

[aznegglover]

Great, now everyone has a Geass?

D:<

GG Suzaku on trying to kill someone immortal

[Synria_]

I can't possibly read through all these pages, so does Anya "still exist" or did Marianne do a complete take-over with her geass. Is anya still alive in a sense and marianne just activates her geass to take over the mind and body whenever she wants, or is it set it stone now and anya is pretty much dead? Anyone have an inside scoop on this?

[5_of_Spades]

I can't possibly read through all these pages, so does Anya "still exist" or did Marianne do a complete take-over with her geass. Is anya still alive in a sense and marianne just activates her geass to take over the mind and body whenever she wants, or is it set it stone now and anya is pretty much dead? Anyone have an inside scoop on this?

I think Anya's memory lapses were caused by Marianne.

[EroShinobi]

Sunrise really speed things up in this episode :mad:

but 1 point I still dont understand.
C.C. code geass is only sealed right? not yet transfered to Charles, right?
then, does she still immortal now?

if she is able to seal her code geass and not immortal anymore because of it, why dont she just do that from the very beginning since she really want to die so much:confused:

[FlareKnight]

I can't possibly read through all these pages, so does Anya "still exist" or did Marianne do a complete take-over with her geass. Is anya still alive in a sense and marianne just activates her geass to take over the mind and body whenever she wants, or is it set it stone now and anya is pretty much dead? Anyone have an inside scoop on this?I do think Anya still exists. Just that her consciousness has been forced into dormancy or something like that. If Marianne moves into another body or that rarely used thing called a 'geass canceller' gets used control should revert back to Anya. But long as Marianne is in control Anya is close in a sense to being dead.

[miroku2192]

Marianne could be one of CC's personallities. Anya could have been created in order to separate that conciousness from CC's mind. Last season CC acts like she has had part of her memories ripped out of her.

CC was captured by Brittania and we still don't know how long she was experimented on when Kallen stole her.

Maybe CC has be talking to a remnant of Marianne. Maybe Anya and CC will have some sort of psychic thing where the pieces of Marianne within her return to CC and CC may be able to rever to her for a while.

uh if it really were just a piece of her personality, wouldn't c.c. know who she was right away? as opposed to going "oh so that swho you are"...i think marianne has some kind of geass that allows her to...transform JAH!!!

lol naw i have no idea

[Micante]

What was with the red glow in Bismark's sewn shut eyes? I almost expected lasers to come out and fry Suzaku.

[kamuinoyume]

I do think Anya still exists. Just that her consciousness has been forced into dormancy or something like that. If Marianne moves into another body or that rarely used thing called a 'geass canceller' gets used control should revert back to Anya. But long as Marianne is in control Anya is close in a sense to being dead.

I think it can be considered something like split personality, same as CC and her non geass version

[EroShinobi]

What was with the red glow in Bismark's sewn shut eyes? I almost expected lasers to come out and fry Suzaku.

isn't it a geass? most likely it's just like 4chan prediction where Bismark's geass is the ability to predit the future? :D
just maybe ;)

[kamuinoyume]

isn't it a geass? most likely it's just like 4chan prediction where Bismark's geass is the ability to predit the future? :D
just maybe ;)

I don't think they'd recycle the same geass ability to someone else

[Micante]

isn't it a geass? most likely it's just like 4chan prediction where Bismark's geass is the ability to predit the future? :D
just maybe ;)

Great... now everyone and their mom has a Geass. Oh wait! Marianne.

[Freya]

I don't think they'd recycle the same geass ability to someone else

Who else had future prediction?

[Finre]

hehe it could be funny if Jeremiah cancels Anya's geass and kill marianne in the end :D

[Micante]

hehe it could be funny if Jeremiah cancels Anya's geass and kill marianne in the end :D

Jeremiah: Lady Marianne! I'm so glad to see- *Geass-Canceller activates*
Anya: Where am I?
Jeremiah: NOOOO!!! LADY MARIANNE! I HAVE FAILED YOU AGAIN!

[EroShinobi]

I don't think they'd recycle the same geass ability to someone else

eh? who else has that kind of geass ability?

[kamuinoyume]

Who else had future prediction?

Since I can't use the Spoiler tag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunnally_Lamperouge
look in the Nightmare of Nunnally section

[aznegglover]

On another note.

YAY CC KEEPS CHEESE-KUN

[FlareKnight]

Jeremiah: Lady Marianne! I'm so glad to see- *Geass-Canceller activates*
Anya: Where am I?
Jeremiah: NOOOO!!! LADY MARIANNE! I HAVE FAILED YOU AGAIN!Haha I so would love to see that :D. Behold the power of Jeremiah's loyalty! Though do think if he finds out about this it will be pretty messed up for him as well. All he went through thinking about his failure to protect her and she may have organized the whole thing. Plus she has been hiding for a long time inside of Anya.

[Micante]

On another note.

YAY CC KEEPS CHEESE-KUN

Final Knightmare Battle:

Charles transforms Great Britannia into a giant Knightmare and takes out Marianne in Mordred.

C.C. rides a giant robo Cheese-kun for an epic battle with Great Britannia.

[Kovensky]

This episode was a huge mind rape.

[morbosfist]

This episode was a huge mind rape.Quoted for truth. I can't get over just how much this episode went through in so little time. Now I don't feel as bad from that absolutely depressing Turn 19, despite the fact that they haven't resolved the things that made 19 depressing.

[Strettger]

This episode was a huge mind rape.
I'm sure CChii and Anya agree wholeheartidly with this statement.

Marriane likes raping minds dosen't she :eyebrow:

[Faeyice]

Geez, Suzaku's even more crazy than he was in the last episode.

..Hopefully Lelouch's plan doesn't fail sometime in the next/last couple of episodes. We don't need another cycle of repetitive failures, especially one that never ends.

I REALLY WASN'T EXPECTING ANYA TO BE MARIANNE THOUGH. .__.

[miroku2192]

Geez, Suzaku's even more crazy than he was in the last episode.

..Hopefully Lelouch's plan doesn't fail sometime in the next/last couple of episodes. We don't need another cycle of repetitive failures, especially one that never ends.

I REALLY WASN'T EXPECTING ANYA TO BE MARIANNE THOUGH. .__.

yeah and who ever wrote this did a good job on blowing our minds away in a lot of the episodes both from season 1 and this season...the twists just never seem to end. How do they even come up with stuff like this lol

[Cat Megex]

Since I can't use the Spoiler tag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunnally_Lamperouge
look in the Nightmare of Nunnally section

It's just [xspoilerx] and [x/spoilerx] (without the "x"es). See as follows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunnally_Lamperouge
look in the Nightmare of Nunnally section

[Micante]

yeah and who ever wrote this did a good job on blowing our minds away in a lot of the episodes both from season 1 and this season...the twists just never seem to end. How do they even come up with stuff like this lol

They have a huge list of characters arranged in a circle. They use a pointer and spin it twice. The two characters it lands on have a huge connection, no matter how random it is.

[caesar87]

Terrible episode, resembles a cheap hollywood movie and the events were rushed, I can only say the ending was the redeeming aspect of this episode. Hopefully the next one will make up for this one

[Kristen]

This was one of the first episodes I just didn't want to end, with the other being that C.C. "My wish is to die" episode. From start to finish, I was sitting here enjoying it. I don't think I checked what time it was at once.

And Marianne is alive, or, possessing someone. I knew that had to be the case. :)

10

[Midonin]

That shot with the Knightmare arch was pretty awesome, though I wonder just where things will go from here. And a little bit about what's going on. Though I will say, Suzaku with the sword was actually kinda cool.

I'm also looking forward to the battle of Lulu vs. his dad. If they're in a dimension that doesn't play by the normal rules of reality, then this is going to be one heck of a battle.

[Dark Faith]

No matter how much technology advances...a sword is all you ever need to get the job done.
This episode was most definately rushed, but it was enjoyable nonetheless.
Anya turning out to be Marianne didn't come as much of a shock, it had been hinted at in the past (those convinient acid-trip geass lights coming whenever Anya was ripping Lelouch a new one)... what came as a shocker was the -how- Marianne was actually Anya.. or the other way around.. eh..
Charles keeps sounding more and more like a drunken bastard. His "Lelouch" shout resembled anything but Lelouch's name, though I loved his "omg" look once he realized his precious little discarded prince had owned him just right.

[Terrestrial Dream]

The pace of the show was too freaking fast! First of all Anya beiing Marianne, good plot twist but it wasn't completely unexpected there were few clues. This episode ,while it did revealed answer to Marianne, it was kinda of bad because of the pace. I felt that the writers want to skip this part quickly as possible and as a result I think next episode will be good.