Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (take 3)

[youngde]

speaking of fanfiction. i saw a massive surge of Kalulu's fanfic on fanfic.net the other day after ep 22

I actually noticed that, too. Mostly alot of short one shots about their kiss. Some of them are pretty good (if a little depressing).

[Jestersage]

Some obscure Korean circle. You're better off not knowing.

Hentai is hentai is hentai is hentai; as long as they drew it well, it's the same (no one read the words anyway)

What I want is a doujin involving Emperor Lelouch and a tied up crying Kaguya. For some reason as soon as I see that scene that's what it reminds me of.

[Micante]

speaking of fanfiction. i saw a massive surge of Kalulu's fanfic on fanfic.net the other day after ep 22

There was also a Shirley Surge after 13. Most writers are inspired by the latest episodes.

[Worriors1]

I am amazed that Sunrise had a seiyuu assigned to the Dorothea character but have yet allowed Nonnette to say a single line in the episodes she has been featured.

Plus, which circle is doing Monica may I ask?

Nonnette better ROCK when she shows up. If there is one Knight I'm anticipating, it's her. If she is REAL lucky, she'll side with Gino and Suzaku and live through the series.

Some obscure Korean circle. You're better off not knowing.

I think we want to know, :heh:
Just kidding. I love prying though..

Hmm... KOR crack-fics...

Are you AdventureElia, someone else on fanfiction or don't go to fanfiction? :O

Ah, yeah. I'm AdventureEliA. The sad, sad person behind that, :heh:

[Micante]

Hentai is hentai is hentai is hentai; as long as they drew it well, it's the same (no one read the words anyway)

What I want is a doujin involving Emperor Lelouch and a tied up crying Kaguya. For some reason as soon as I see that scene that's what it reminds me of.

Reading English translations that completely don't fit the mood can be amusing sometimes. Ah crap, I said too much. >.>

[lovecakecookies]

Can anyone tell me how many Knights of rounds are left now?

[Micante]

Can anyone tell me how many Knights of rounds are left now?

Three... Four including Suzaku, assuming that no other Dorotheas come out of hiding.

[Worriors1]

Can anyone tell me how many Knights of rounds are left now?

Well;

Bismark= Dead
Gino= Alive
Dorothea= Dead
Anya= Alive
Suzaku= Alive
Nonnette= Alive
Luciano= Dead
Monica= Dead

[NoLongerSane]

Can anyone tell me how many Knights of rounds are left now?

Three. Gino, Anya, and Nonnette. With three episode left, I doubt there will be even one left. Hopefully Anya, due to being a loli. Lol, forgot about Suzaku.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Hentai is hentai is hentai is hentai; as long as they drew it well, it's the same (no one read the words anyway)

I know :heh:


Unfortuantely, they are drawing it as a forced Monica x Luciano pairing. The only good thing about their drawings (from what I've seen) is that they manged to keep Monica's body sizes "normal", unlike what happens in many doujinshis.

[Micante]

I know :heh:


Unfortuantely, they are drawing it as a forced Monica x Luciano pairing. The only good thing about their drawings (from what I've seen) is that they manged to keep Monica's body sizes "normal", unlike what happens in many doujinshis.

*shrugs*

Luciano's better than random guy #1.

[Kang Seung Jae]

*shrugs*

Luciano's better than random guy #1.

When a "little" blood is mixed in, it goes into the realm of vampires. :uhoh:

[lovecakecookies]

Well;

Bismark= Dead
Gino= Alive
Dorothea= Dead
Anya= Alive
Suzaku= Alive
Nonnette= Alive
Luciano= Dead
Monica= Dead

Thanks!!!!! and everyone else who answered..:)

[Marina Ismail]

Where is Rollo when you need him. See... he was going to take out Nunnally but everyone didn't want him too and now look what happens... can just kick her out of her wheel chair =o

[Charred Knight]

Three I think but Nonnete will probably die faster than Claudio, and Gino and Suzaku are the only ones of importance.

Looked up Damn forgot Anya

[NoLongerSane]

Where is Rollo when you need him. See... he was going to take out Nunnally but everyone didn't want him too and now look what happens... can just kick her out of her wheel chair =o

Saddly he died saving his "brother." The character was given a very sad story, though his death scene was done wonderfully.

As for Monica, I would have prefered Crimson Comics to do her. Though anyone who has "read" from that circle knows what would be happening to her.

[Worriors1]

*shrugs*

Luciano's better than random guy #1.

Luciano is better than Gary-Stu #9001.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Saddly he died saving his "brother." The character was given a very sad story, though his death scene was done wonderfully.

As for Monica, I would have prefered Crimson Comics to do her. Though anyone who has "read" from that circle knows what would be happening to her.

You do realize the meaning of the various hints I've given out on the Korean Monica doujinshi, no?

[NoLongerSane]

You do realize the meaning of the various hints I've given out on the Korean Monica doujinshi, no?

Lol, my apologies. Though the circle that I mention also does a good job with the women with normal bodies without "embellishing " certain sizes of the body.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Lol, my apologies. Though the circle that I mention also does a good job with the women with normal bodies without "embellishing " certain sizes of the body.

Here's a summary of the hints to let you understand what I was talking about:

1. Unfortuantely, they are drawing it as a forced Monica x Luciano pairing.

2. When a "little" blood is mixed in, it goes into the realm of vampires.

[Micante]

Here's a summary of the hints to let you understand what I was talking about:

1. Unfortuantely, they are drawing it as a forced Monica x Luciano pairing.

2. When a "little" blood is mixed in, it goes into the realm of vampires.

Crimson... blood.... force.... :uhoh:

[Kang Seung Jae]

Crimson... blood.... force.... :uhoh:

Seems like someone is getting the message.

[Jestersage]

Here's a summary of the hints to let you understand what I was talking about:

1. Unfortuantely, they are drawing it as a forced Monica x Luciano pairing.

2. When a "little" blood is mixed in, it goes into the realm of vampires.

Even better. Shame that they keep the body "normal", though.

Question: what kind of blood? There's the one down there, leather blood, and then there's the normal shiny-object based blood.

I like it kinky, just so you know. Why do you think i keep thinking of a tied up kaguya when i saw her cry?

[FoxxFireArt]

I'm just saying that C.C. might want to stop the plan if it involves Lelouch dying. And if she does, the person she would be most likely to reach out to is Kallen. Other than Lelouch, Kallen is the only character that has ever really connected with C.C. on a personal level.

And there are a few other people that might be able to help Kallen/Gino figure out what Lelouch/Suzaku are up to. Assuming that Rival/Milly know what Nina was working on, they might provide some information as to why Lelouch would want her, which might give some insight into his plan (I'm, of course, assuming that they can contact Kallen/Gino. It's possible since Gino is a current member of the Student Council.) Also, there is Anya or Sayoko, who apparently escaped from Schneizel. Either one could provide information about Schneizel that would illuminate what Lelouch/Suzaku are up to.

Granted we do know that Kallen and Suzaku fight in episode 24, but we don't know the reason. It could be that Kallen is trying to stop their plan to save Lelouch and Suzaku from themselves.

Although, I'll admit, this is just speculation based on what I know so far. I've been wrong about where this series is going so often by now, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if not a single thing written above is true. We'll just have to see.

youngde, signing off.
I just don't see how Sayako or Anya could have any idea.

After reading Koshimizu Ani's interview I seriously doubt she would want to save Suzaku. It seems like the fact that Suzaku is now following Lelouch is something that seriously upsets her. Like, anyone who Suzaku would follow can't be up to any good.
That's what is confusing. If Kallen wants to kill Suzaku why would Gino help. He's always been close to Suzaku or at least tried to be. Seems to be a conflict there.

Lelouch isn't going to tell them. Suzaku isn't going to tell them. I guess C.C. could, but I don't see her motivation. She's expecting something out of this plan too.
There is Lloyd, Cecil, and Jeremiah. We aren't even sure how much they know.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Even better. Shame that they keep the body "normal", though.

I'm one to hate doujin that changes female characters into cows.


Question: what kind of blood? There's the one down there, leather blood, and then there's the normal shiny-object based blood.?

Let's see..... given that Monica is most likely a virgin, and that Luciano is known to be sadistic, what kind do you expect?


I like it kinky, just so you know. Why do you think i keep thinking of a tied up kaguya when i saw her cry?

Tied up Kaguya locked into a dungeon after the UFN voting, and then played with by the Emperor? You're evil :heh:

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[morbosfist]

I think we have entered some dark territory. Sweet. :heh:

I just don't see how Sayako or Anya could have any idea.Not about Lelouch's plan, but they would know about Schneizel's. From that they might have an idea of why Lelouch is suddenly picking fights.

After reading Koshimizu Ani's interview I seriously doubt she would want to save Suzaku. It seems like the fact that Suzaku is now following Lelouch is something that seriously upsets her. Like, anyone who Suzaku would follow can't be up to any good.
That's what is confusing. If Kallen wants to kill Suzaku why would Gino help. He's always been close to Suzaku or at least tried to be. Seems to be a conflict there.Lelouch is more of a concern to her than Suzaku. If Gino can get him out of the way, all the better.

Lelouch isn't going to tell them. Suzaku isn't going to tell them. I guess C.C. could, but I don't see her motivation. She's expecting something out of this plan too.
There is Lloyd, Cecil, and Jeremiah. We aren't even sure how much they know.C.C. might if she feels Lelouch is going to die without fulfilling his promise to her.

[NoLongerSane]

Seems like someone is getting the message.

My apologies, I misunderstood on what you were posting. I get the theme of what is going on. What I was trying to imply was on the art that is done with the women, since the circle I was talking about does an excellent job on women with normal bodies and not increase the bust to unrealistic sizes.

[Kang Seung Jae]

I just don't see how Sayako or Anya could have any idea.

I expect Anya to know of the White Prince's plan, although I'm not sure of Sayako


After reading Koshimizu Ani's interview I seriously doubt she would want to save Suzaku. It seems like the fact that Suzaku is now following Lelouch is something that seriously upsets her. Like, anyone who Suzaku would follow can't be up to any good.
That's what is confusing. If Kallen wants to kill Suzaku why would Gino help. He's always been close to Suzaku or at least tried to be. Seems to be a conflict there.

I would say that Kallen & Gino will join hands to stop both Lelouch and Suzaku from going to the end of the Demon Path. It's not what Kallen would want to kill Suzaku, it'll be closer to her fighting him to et at Lelouch.

[KrimzonStriker]

I would say that Kallen & Gino will join hands to stop both Lelouch and Suzaku from going to the end of the Demon Path. It's not what Kallen would want to kill Suzaku, it'll be closer to her fighting him to et at Lelouch.

Pfft, I hope Suzaku breaks her in two if she manages to interrupt the Zero Requiem. Far as I'm concerned stopping them now would basically kill them both if they don't accomplish this goal, its the culmination of everything they have dedicated their lives for, it can't be in vain I feel >_>

[NoLongerSane]

Schneizel mention that a person left since they did not agree with what he was planning on doing. Was it implied that it was Diehart or was it Anya? On the preview for this coming episode, it had Anya looking at her electronic gizmo and was looking at pictures dealing with the students of Ashford. Did she leave or is she still alligned with Schneizel.

[morbosfist]

Schneizel mention that a person left since they did not agree with what he was planning on doing. Was it implied that it was Diehart or was it Anya? On the preview for this coming episode, it had Anya looking at her electronic gizmo and was looking at pictures dealing with the students of Ashford. Did she leave or is she still alligned with Schneizel.Can't say for sure. Anya is the most likely person to have left. Diethard isn't the type to care.

Pfft, I hope Suzaku breaks her in two if she manages to interrupt the Zero Requiem. Far as I'm concerned stopping them now would basically kill them both if they don't accomplish this goal, its the culmination of everything they have dedicated their lives for, it can't be in vain I feel >_>She doesn't have to derail it, just change the end a little so they don't get themselves killed.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Pfft, I hope Suzaku breaks her in two if she manages to interrupt the Zero Requiem. Far as I'm concerned stopping them now would basically kill them both if they don't accomplish this goal, its the culmination of everything they have dedicated their lives for, it can't be in vain I feel >_>

I don't see how stopping them from reaching the end of the Demon path is necessarily connected to interrupting the Zero Requiem.

[KrimzonStriker]

Can't say for sure. Anya is the most likely person to have left. Diethard isn't the type to care.

Plus, he's still with them when Nunnally makes the big reveal. So much for your devotion, eh Diethard? <_<

I don't see how stopping them from reaching the end of the Demon path is necessarily connected to interrupting the Zero Requiem.

Quite possibly it could interrupt it I feel, if the Zero Requiem is what most of us speculate it is anyway >_>

[morbosfist]

Plus, he's still with them when Nunnally makes the big reveal. So much for your devotion, eh Diethard? <_<That went out the window when Zero got himself ousted.

[NoLongerSane]

Can't say for sure. Anya is the most likely person to have left. Diethard isn't the type to care.

That is true. But it makes you wonder of her fate in this coming episode. Schneizel knows that she has left, but Lelouch does not. He could send Suzaku in a "fire first ask questions later" attitude and take her down without hearing her out.

[youngde]

I just don't see how Sayako or Anya could have any idea.

After reading Koshimizu Ani's interview I seriously doubt she would want to save Suzaku. It seems like the fact that Suzaku is now following Lelouch is something that seriously upsets her. Like, anyone who Suzaku would follow can't be up to any good.
That's what is confusing. If Kallen wants to kill Suzaku why would Gino help. He's always been close to Suzaku or at least tried to be. Seems to be a conflict there.

Lelouch isn't going to tell them. Suzaku isn't going to tell them. I guess C.C. could, but I don't see her motivation. She's expecting something out of this plan too.
There is Lloyd, Cecil, and Jeremiah. We aren't even sure how much they know.

Well, Anya was in the earlier meeting with Schneizel and the others before she disappeared, so she might know Schneizel's plan enough to inform Kallen/Gino some of what he's doing, which might give them some insight into what Lelouch/Suzaku are doing if they realize that Lelouch knew about Schneizel's plan ahead of time. Sayoko may have simply escaped w/ information; she is a ninja after all. Plus, both have interesting insight into Lelouch's character (Anya from the brief time she knew him before Marianne was 'killed' and Sayoko from years taking care of Nunnally).

As far as Suzaku goes, there is certainly alot of animousity held against him on Kallen's part, but she does have a couple insights into his character that might allow her to see past that hatred. One, she knows that even though she was considered a terrorist, Suzaku nevertheless kept pictures of her in his photo album (as well as Lelouch). And also, she is one of the few people that know that Suzaku killed his own father. (He told way back in Season 1, but nothing has ever really come of it.)

At any rate, even if she doesn't give a damn about Suzaku, she does care about Lelouch. So if she and Gino team up, she might agree not to hurt Suzaku if Gino doesn't hurt Lelouch. However, Suzaku may get in the way, which will lead to a fight. (It would be kind of funny if Kallen was trying not to kill Suzaku due to Gino and Suzaku was trying not to kill Kallen due to Lelouch.)

But like I said, this is just random speculation. 'What if?' scenarios if you will.

youngde, signing off.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Quite possibly it could interrupt it I feel, if the Zero Requiem is what most of us speculate it is anyway >_>

And what would that speculation be? Lelouch and Suzaku dying?

[morbosfist]

That is true. But it makes you wonder of her fate in this coming episode. Schneizel knows that she has left, but Lelouch does not. He could send Suzaku in a "fire first ask questions later" attitude and take her down without hearing her out.Since Anya's not there, it won't matter. She'll be out of the line of fire for the moment, same as Gino.

[KrimzonStriker]

That is true. But it makes you wonder of her fate in this coming episode. Schneizel knows that she has left, but Lelouch does not. He could send Suzaku in a "fire first ask questions later" attitude and take her down without hearing her out.

Nah, Lelouch isn't the type to care about that unless she presents an outright threat and Suzaku already let Gino off the hook, Anya should be fine so long as she comes in peace anyway, maybe. Of Suzaku pulls a Lelouch and tries to push her away as well, one or the other :heh:

[FoxxFireArt]

Schneizel mention that a person left since they did not agree with what he was planning on doing. Was it implied that it was Diehart or was it Anya? On the preview for this coming episode, it had Anya looking at her electronic gizmo and was looking at pictures dealing with the students of Ashford. Did she leave or is she still alligned with Schneizel.

Considering Diethard was there at the end it's obvious that he didn't have a problem. He's probably just with Schneizel, because he's the bigger story now.
Anya seems likely, but so does Sayako could also been the one.
I think Sayako could of stayed for Nunnally's sake, but left when she saw where things were going. Though Anya was missing from that end scene.

[Koshimizu]

Anya missing from that end scene looks suspecious enough. It looks like Schenizel is trying to make his team look grand. If he has a KoR in hand you'd expect him to ask her to join the party.
Anya: It only takes 5 to form Britannia Rangers, and you already have a pink ranger there. Leave me out of this. j/k


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Question: When Anya is looking at photos of Lelouch and Suzaku in her cellphone, what's her comment on these two?
1. record
2. heroes
3. past

[pingva]

The answer is past. I think it's the only thing that's left for them.

[morbosfist]

The answer is past. I think it's the only thing that's left for them.I think you're about three days and three hours too early to be taking a stab at that, though the odds are pretty good that you've guessed it. It could be record, as she has a thing for records.

[youngde]

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Question: When Anya is looking at photos of Lelouch and Suzaku in her cellphone, what's her comment on these two?
1. record
2. heroes
3. past

I'd have to say past, too. Her most significant quote in the series was that memories can't be trusted. Memories/past...they go together.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I think you're about three days and three hours too early to be taking a stab at that, though the odds are pretty good that you've guessed it. It could be record, as she has a thing for records.

Quoted for truth :heh: . It could also be heroes, in the right context...

[Micante]

Quoted for truth :heh: . It could also be heroes, in the right context...

Anya: Kururugi, Lamperouge, save me, you're my only hope!

I somehow can't imagine Anya saying that.

[morbosfist]

Anya: Kururugi, Lamperouge, save me, you're my only hope!

I somehow can't imagine Anya saying that.More like former heroes turned villains, if that is to be the comment.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

More like former heroes turned villains, if that is to be the comment.

Something like that, yes. Or maybe she, knowing Schneizels plans, has an idea about what they are doing and thus calls them "heroes using the masks of villains" or somethign like that :heh:

Still, it seems like the most unlikely one out of the three.. Then again, Code Geass goes for the unexpected :heh: :uhoh:

[morbosfist]

Something like that, yes. Or maybe she, knowing Schneizels plans, has an idea about what they are doing and thus calls them "heroes using the masks of villains" or somethign like that :heh:

Still, it seems like the most unlikely one out of the three.. Then again, Code Geass goes for the unexpected :heh: :uhoh:I would laugh my ass off if she off all people picked up on that. They'd have to have a moment with Gino and maybe Kallen standing there blank-faced while she just goes, "What?"

[scifijimmy]

How many people think Lelouch and Suzaku are going to something off the wall after Schneizel reveals his true self like say do a complete heel-turn of their recent action.:rolleyes:

[Runty]

Here's a summary of the hints to let you understand what I was talking about:

1. Unfortuantely, they are drawing it as a forced Monica x Luciano pairing.

2. When a "little" blood is mixed in, it goes into the realm of vampires.

I may sound like a lecher asking this, but do you have a link to said doujin, or at least to some info on it?

[morbosfist]

How many people think Lelouch and Suzaku are going to something off the wall after Schneizel reveals his true self like say do a complete heel-turn of their recent action.:rolleyes:Doubtful, but for some more off the wall scenarios, watch C.C. give Kallen a Geass which allows her to make people tell her the truth next episode. That would loosen Lulu's tongue. /joke

[Var]

You're too evil :heh:

Past is to predictable and no longer a part of her character. Record is irrelevant. Heroes is intune.

I'm going with heroes. Color me silly.

[Jestersage]

I'm one to hate doujin that changes female characters into cows.

I for one like that. Bigger is better. Especially with milk.

Let's see..... given that Monica is most likely a virgin, and that Luciano is known to be sadistic, what kind do you expect?

The kind from leather straps, shiny-pointy object, or even "body modification."

Tied up Kaguya locked into a dungeon after the UFN voting, and then played with by the Emperor? You're evil :heh:

Yup, that kind. And I know I am evil.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I would laugh my ass off if she off all people picked up on that. They'd have to have a moment with Gino and maybe Kallen standing there blank-faced while she just goes, "What?"

It'd be a truly hillarous moment indeed XD .

How many people think Lelouch and Suzaku are going to something off the wall after Schneizel reveals his true self like say do a complete heel-turn of their recent action

It wouldn't surpise me. Then, again, at this point more or less nothing about CG can surpise me :heh:

[scifijimmy]

It wouldn't surpise me. Then, again, at this point more or less nothing about CG can surpise me



Good to know that i'm not the only one that can have crazy ideas.:p

[etothex]

Doubtful, but for some more off the wall scenarios, watch C.C. give Kallen a Geass which allows her to make people tell her the truth next episode. That would loosen Lulu's tongue. /joke

no it's already been confirmed , Kallen's geass (from CC at least) is to smell really bad to males. :heh:

[Tokkan]

no it's already been confirmed , Kallen's geass (from CC at least) is to smell really bad to males. :heh:

The Donjara scenarios from Geass Gekijou aren't really canon.

[FoxxFireArt]

Anya missing from that end scene looks suspecious enough. It looks like Schenizel is trying to make his team look grand. If he has a KoR in hand you'd expect him to ask her to join the party.
Anya: It only takes 5 to form Britannia Rangers, and you already have a pink ranger there. Leave me out of this. j/k


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Find the answer in Turn 23 this week and send in your answer within 30 minutes after the show ends!

Question: When Anya is looking at photos of Lelouch and Suzaku in her cellphone, what's her comment on these two?
1. record
2. heroes
3. past
I did notice that Anya was missing, but there is also Sayako. She's shown as injured in the preview. Seems unlikely that she could still be injured after a month. She recovered well enough after that gash Jeremiah gave her when when she rescued Kallen and that was less then a month. Nunnally doesn't seem injured either.
Seems likely that Sayako got injured during her escape. I think Schneizel was being sarcastic about how someone was leaving.

About the sweepstakes. Heroes seems unlikely. That picture is of the student council working on the garden. I doubt she knows them well enough to call them heroes. It is the past, but that seems corny. I think I'm going to go with "record".

Doubtful, but for some more off the wall scenarios, watch C.C. give Kallen a Geass which allows her to make people tell her the truth next episode. That would loosen Lulu's tongue. /joke
I do think Kallen will need something. She has always met Suzaku in a match. At the end of season one she fought pretty evenly despite Suzaku had the mobility of the Float System.
Now they are both meeting on equal footing. At least technologically speaking. One problem. Suzaku's Live On Geass does give him an advantage. It's always gotten him out of the worst situations.
This KMF was finished well after the Guren SEITEN so Lloyd could of made something extra that we haven't seen yet.

[morbosfist]

I did notice that Anya was missing, but there is also Sayako. She's shown as injured in the preview. Seems unlikely that she could still be injured after a month. She recovered well enough after that gash Jeremiah gave her when when she rescued Kallen and that was less then a month. Nunnally doesn't seem injured either.
Seems likely that Sayako got injured during her escape. I think Schneizel was being sarcastic about how someone was leaving.Well, ninja maid would be one to escape all beat up like that and still make it out.

I do think Kallen will need something. She has always met Suzaku in a match. At the end of season one she fought pretty evenly despite Suzaku had the mobility of the Float System.
Now they are both meeting on equal footing. At least technologically speaking. One problem. Suzaku's Live On Geass does give him an advantage. It's always gotten him out of the worst situations.
This KMF was finished well after the Guren SEITEN so Lloyd could of made something extra that we haven't seen yet.The Guren was technically modified after the Albion started production. Lloyd clearly just didn't work in the wing barrage trick in favor of making the radiation arm uber. Lancelot Albion is speed and tricks as it has always been. Guren is raw power.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

This KMF was finished well after the Guren SEITEN so Lloyd could of made something extra that we haven't seen yet.

Well, if I recall correctly then according to the sketches, the Lancelot Albion is equiped with FLEIJA, so if all else fails... <_<.

[morbosfist]

Well, if I recall correctly then according to the sketches, the Lancelot Albion is equiped with FLEIJA, so if all else fails... <_<.It's not. That was just a side sketch of it. Schniezel took all the warheads for his big floating palace.

[scifijimmy]

It's not. That was just a side sketch of it. Schniezel took all the warheads for his big floating palace.

Geez, if Damocles has all the FLEIJA warheads then who'd want to fight Schneizel?:confused:

[Rising Dragon]

It's not. That was just a side sketch of it. Schniezel took all the warheads for his big floating palace.

And upgraded them, apparently. Seriously, from a 5-to-8 km blast radius to a 100+ km blast radius?

[youngde]

I do think Kallen will need something. She has always met Suzaku in a match. At the end of season one she fought pretty evenly despite Suzaku had the mobility of the Float System.
Now they are both meeting on equal footing. At least technologically speaking. One problem. Suzaku's Live On Geass does give him an advantage. It's always gotten him out of the worst situations.
This KMF was finished well after the Guren SEITEN so Lloyd could of made something extra that we haven't seen yet.

I'm actually fairly certain that when there is a final showdown between Suzaku and Kallen, it will start out even, but Suzaku's 'live' Geass will kick in at which point:

1) Kallen's feelings for Lelouch allow her to overcome Suzaku's Geass and get past him to save Lelouch.
2) Suzaku will control his Geass like he did against Bismark and not kill Kallen. (Even with his new mentality, he refused to kill Gino. And he did seem genuinely regretful about how he treated Kallen while she was a POW. I doubt he wants to kill her.)
3) Gino and/or Anya will distract Suzaku long enough for Kallen to get past to Lelouch.

(Granted, all these things assume she has realized what Lelouch/Suzaku are doing and wants to save Lelouch--and maybe Suzaku, too.)

youngde, signing off

[Kang Seung Jae]

And upgraded them, apparently. Seriously, from a 5-to-8 km blast radius to a 100+ km blast radius?

There's a difference between a tactical version and a strategic version.

[morbosfist]

And upgraded them, apparently. Seriously, from a 5-to-8 km blast radius to a 100+ km blast radius?kang covered it. The Lancelot had a tactical version. I imagine the yield of such a device could be increased fairly easily.

[scifijimmy]

I'm actually fairly certain that when there is a final showdown between Suzaku and Kallen, it will start out even, but Suzaku's 'live' Geass will kick in at which point:

1) Kallen's feelings for Lelouch allow her to overcome Suzaku's Geass and get past him to save Lelouch.
2) Suzaku will control his Geass like he did against Bismark and not kill Kallen. (Even with his new mentality, he refused to kill Gino. And he did seem genuinely regretful about how he treated Kallen while she was a POW. I doubt he wants to kill her.)
3) Gino and/or Anya will distract Suzaku long enough for Kallen to get past to Lelouch.

(Granted, all these things assume she has realized what Lelouch/Suzaku are doing and wants to save Lelouch--and maybe Suzaku, too.)

youngde, signing off

Uh, why would Kallen save Lelouch given the current state of affairs?:confused:

[morbosfist]

I'm actually fairly certain that when there is a final showdown between Suzaku and Kallen, it will start out even, but Suzaku's 'live' Geass will kick in at which point:

1) Kallen's feelings for Lelouch allow her to overcome Suzaku's Geass and get past him to save Lelouch.
2) Suzaku will control his Geass like he did against Bismark and not kill Kallen. (Even with his new mentality, he refused to kill Gino. And he did seem genuinely regretful about how he treated Kallen while she was a POW. I doubt he wants to kill her.)
3) Gino and/or Anya will distract Suzaku long enough for Kallen to get past to Lelouch.1. Somewhat corny, though I imagine this could happen.
2. His live Geass wasn't active when he owned Gino.
3. Possible.

Uh, why would Kallen save Lelouch given the current state of affairs?:confused:Because she loves him, and she would get that whatever he's doing has a reason behind it.

[scifijimmy]

Because she loves him, and she would get that whatever he's doing has a reason behind it.



That is a serious case of seemingly unrequited love, if Kallen does go through with it.

[FoxxFireArt]

I'm actually fairly certain that when there is a final showdown between Suzaku and Kallen, it will start out even, but Suzaku's 'live' Geass will kick in at which point:

1) Kallen's feelings for Lelouch allow her to overcome Suzaku's Geass and get past him to save Lelouch.
2) Suzaku will control his Geass like he did against Bismark and not kill Kallen. (Even with his new mentality, he refused to kill Gino. And he did seem genuinely regretful about how he treated Kallen while she was a POW. I doubt he wants to kill her.)
3) Gino and/or Anya will distract Suzaku long enough for Kallen to get past to Lelouch.

(Granted, all these things assume she has realized what Lelouch/Suzaku are doing and wants to save Lelouch--and maybe Suzaku, too.)

youngde, signing off
1= Sounds way too corny. We don't even know why they are fighting. You'd think by that point Schneizel's evil scheme would be apparent. Why fight each other and not Schneizel?
2= Gino was hardly a threat to Suzaku in the Albion. The Tristan was only a bare match with Lelouch in the Shinkirou.
Kallen isn't the kind of opponent who stops once she's in battle unless she sees reason to.
3= We still don't know what Suzaku and Kallen are fighting. Who's to say that she is even trying to get to Lelouch? The fight could be over something else.

[morbosfist]

That is a serious case of seemingly unrequited love, if Kallen does go through with it.She hasn't actually said it yet, and Lelouch still has to say something on the matter, so their story isn't over yet. As the magazine confirms, she just figured this out. She's not going to let it go so easily. She'll probably get a line on what he's really doing soon enough.

[FoxxFireArt]

She hasn't actually said it yet, and Lelouch still has to say something on the matter, so their story isn't over yet. As the magazine confirms, she just figured this out. She's not going to let it go so easily. She'll probably get a line on what he's really doing soon enough.

I just wonder what we will hear from Lelouch's VA. Will his interview even mention the kiss. Kallen's VA interview sure focused on that scene. Seems to be her interview was about the kiss, hate for Suzaku, talks with Nunnally, and Ougi.

[scifijimmy]

She hasn't actually said it yet, and Lelouch still has to say something on the matter, so their story isn't over yet. As the magazine confirms, she just figured this out. She's not going to let it go so easily. She'll probably get a line on what he's really doing soon enough.

yeah she hasn't said anything yet. (Expecting that next episode;)) In addition the I say seemingly because Lelouch has yet to respond.:rolleyes:

[morbosfist]

yeah she hasn't said anything yet. (Expecting that next episode;)) In addition the I say seemingly because Lelouch has yet to respond.:rolleyes:Sorry, the "seemingly" slipped by me. I'm not so sure about Kallen saying anything next episode, at least not to Lelouch.

I just wonder what we will hear from Lelouch's VA. Will his interview even mention the kiss. Kallen's VA interview sure focused on that scene. Seems to be her interview was about the kiss, hate for Suzaku, talks with Nunnally, and Ougi.Probably going to keep quiet so as not to spoil anything.

[scifijimmy]

Because she loves him, and she would get that whatever he's doing has a reason behind it.



Probably will admit it to Ougi or one of the Black Knights if not Gino.:p

[morbosfist]

Probably will admit it to Ougi or one of the Black Knights if not Gino.:pThink you got the wrong quote there. I don't see her admitting it to Ohgi, though he if anyone should understand given that he knocked up a Britannian chick.

[FoxxFireArt]

Probably going to keep quiet so as not to spoil anything.

If they were worried about things slipping you'd think they would of kept that Kallen only realized her feeling for Lelouch until after she kissed him?

[pingva]

Probably going to keep quiet so as not to spoil anything.

That's what I believe too.

[morbosfist]

If they were worried about things slipping you'd think they would of kept that Kallen only realized her feeling for Lelouch until after she kissed him?That's more a matter of clarification, I'd say. They've had these hints all season, and people would naturally assume that there was more to it than loyalty. The comment just irons out exactly how it went down in her head. With Lelouch, it's a lot easier to spoil things.

[youngde]

1. Somewhat corny, though I imagine this could happen.
2. His live Geass wasn't active when he owned Gino.
3. Possible.

1. I'm aware my first scenario is the 'king of cheese.' But I've seen similar things done in other series. (I actually hope this scenario doesn't happen. I hate series that end on a particularly sappy note.)
2. True, his Geass wasn't active but my point was that in that fight he both spared his friend AND controlled his Geass. It's not unreasonable to assume he could do both at the same time.
3. This does, to me at least, seem the most likely scenario currently.

1= Sounds way too corny. We don't even know why they are fighting. You'd think by that point Schneizel's evil scheme would be apparent. Why fight each other and not Schneizel?
2= Gino was hardly a threat to Suzaku in the Albion. The Tristan was only a bare match with Lelouch in the Shinkirou.
Kallen isn't the kind of opponent who stops once she's in battle unless she sees reason to.
3= We still don't know what Suzaku and Kallen are fighting. Who's to say that she is even trying to get to Lelouch? The fight could be over something else.

1. Yes, as I just said, very sappy. As to why they are fighting, I just think it's possible that Kallen wants to stop their plan to keep Lelouch from killing himself (if that's what he is planning). Suzaku may get in the way because he feels that Lelouch sacrificing himself is poetic justice or because he doesn't want Kallen to interfere with the plan.
2. I was assuming that Gino/Anya would tag team the Albion. I know that even then the TT and the Mordred wouldn't be able to beat the Albion, but they might be able to buy Kallen enought time to get past him. Kallen would leave the battle to go save Lelouch if that was her objective.
3. It's true, we don't know if Kallen is there to save Lelouch. I freely admit that all of the above scenarios are rendered moot if such is not the case :D

So yeah, just random speculations, assuming that Kallen/Gino decide to go save Lelouch and Suzaku. Not saying it will happen, but who knows?

youngde, signing off.

[FoxxFireArt]

That's more a matter of clarification, I'd say. They've had these hints all season, and people would naturally assume that there was more to it than loyalty. The comment just irons out exactly how it went down in her head. With Lelouch, it's a lot easier to spoil things.

Would it really? We know Lelouch pretended not to know anyone, but asked for a detour. He broke his character by talking about the memories of the club house. He refused to tell Kallen what he was planning, but felt the need to whisper his goodbye to her. Seems like he wanted to see her one last time, from his perspective.
If he just wanted her loyalty or power in fighting all he had to do was say something to her. He's keeping her away for a reason. Odds are it's for her own safety.

[Charred Knight]

Something like that, yes. Or maybe she, knowing Schneizels plans, has an idea about what they are doing and thus calls them "heroes using the masks of villains" or somethign like that :heh:

Still, it seems like the most unlikely one out of the three.. Then again, Code Geass goes for the unexpected :heh: :uhoh:

I could see her playing the part of Near from Death Note, in the finale, Near basically becomes the author explaining that light was no hero, as he had become corrupted by the Death Note, and in his quest to kill evil people, had killed good people who got in his way. By becoming corrupted and believing he was a god Light ceased to be a hero, and instead become a mass murderer.

Of course in this case while Death Note was a moral tale, about how you can't kill good people just to kill evil ones, Code Geass seems to be directed by a guy who needs therapy (I mean he keeps stating that he wants to retire when his still quite young).

[sandykins]

If he just wanted her loyalty or power in fighting all he had to do was say something to her. He's keeping her away for a reason. Odds are it's for her own safety.

Early in the episode, he mentions bloodshed and something about a promise. No wonder he didn't tell Kallen about it. She'll probably try to stop him if it involves turning everyone against him (if that is his plan) or any other self-destructive plan.

She stopped him from harming himself before (Refrain).... I'm guessing she wouldn't go with a plan like that (if his plan is indeed to turn the world against him or some such.). She's always protecting him and will go as far as to die for him. He probably doesn't want her involved anymore. He seems to care enough to not want her to go down with him.

Else why tell her "Kallen, you must live."? Maybe whatever plan he has in mind will put her in too much danger so pushing her away was for her own good.

[Charred Knight]

As for whether or not Kallen will stop Lelouch, the problem is a couple

1.. It needs to have Kallen have an epiphany in the middle of a massive battle involving WMDs, in that case this seems more like someone is going to be dodging 100 km death spheres are not likely to have one.

2.. It needs Lelouch to completely change his plans on the fly in a massive battle involving WMDs.

3. Considering we don't know the ramifications of his plans I don't undersatand how Kallen is going to figure it out.

Sure we got that Lelouch probably wants to make everyone hate Britannia (in a move I question primarly due to the fact that it would probably end in Britannian Genocide in the 100 millions), but we don't know how its going to work.

If Lelouch dies or runs away than we just have a couple hundred pissed off brainwashed soldiers ion giant robots loyal only to Lelouch, and who would fight to the death.. If lelouch surrenders the soldiers may stop fighting, but Lelouch would be executed for his crimes.

I really don't think that "It was all part of my plan is going to stop it"

[morbosfist]

True, his Geass wasn't active but my point was that in that fight he both spared his friend AND controlled his Geass. It's not unreasonable to assume he could do both at the same time.I'm still not sure about this. I think if he goes red-eye, and assuming he has no eject system, he'll fight to the death. I just hope Kallen either has a way out or can overcome him.

As to why they are fighting, I just think it's possible that Kallen wants to stop their plan to keep Lelouch from killing himself (if that's what he is planning). Suzaku may get in the way because he feels that Lelouch sacrificing himself is poetic justice or because he doesn't want Kallen to interfere with the plan.I suspect something similar. Suzaku would want to stick to the plan, and I suspect he would not be so willing to spare those Lelouch would.

Would it really? We know Lelouch pretended not to know anyone, but asked for a detour. He broke his character by talking about the memories of the club house. He refused to tell Kallen what he was planning, but felt the need to whisper his goodbye to her. Seems like he wanted to see her one last time, from his perspective.
If he just wanted her loyalty or power in fighting all he had to do was say something to her. He's keeping her away for a reason. Odds are it's for her own safety.If they're really saving up for a reveal near the end, it would be more of a spoiler to quantify the feelings on his end. We haven't gotten a good look at his thoughts on the matter, while they're fairly clear about how Kallen's feelings have been developing.

As for whether or not Kallen will stop Lelouch, the problem is a couple

1.. It needs to have Kallen have an epiphany in the middle of a massive battle involving WMDs, in that case this seems more like someone is going to be dodging 100 km death spheres are not likely to have one.

2.. It needs Lelouch to completely change his plans on the fly in a massive battle involving WMDs.

3. Considering we don't know the ramifications of his plans I don't undersatand how Kallen is going to figure it out.

Sure we got that Lelouch probably wants to make everyone hate Britannia (in a move I question primarly due to the fact that it would probably end in Britannian Genocide in the 100 millions), but we don't know how its going to work.

If Lelouch dies or runs away than we just have a couple hundred pissed off brainwashed soldiers. If lelouch surrenders the soldiers may stop fighting, but Lelouch would be executed for his crimes.They're not going to be tossing nukes left and right, except at the end, probably. Kallen will have time to have this epiphany before the battle gets underway, more than like, and even mid-battle would not be a stretch.

[pingva]

Lelouch has geass.
C.C. is geass giver.
Jeriamiah is robot- geass canceler.
Suzaku has Live geass and is mister super duper fighter.
Loyd only cares about mechas.
Cecile care about mechas, Loyd, Suzaku.
Loyd and Cecile is needed for mechas.
Arthur is with Lelouch, because he is animal and like to bite idiot Suzaku.
Nina is needed to destroy FLEIJA.

Lelouch has everything he need.

There isn't a place for Kallen. She would be near Lelouch if Suzaku doesn't exist.

[morbosfist]

Lelouch has geass.
C.C. is geass giver.
Jeriamiah is robot- geass canceler.
Suzaku has Live geass and is mister super duper fighter.
Loyd only cares about mechas.
Cecile care about mechas, Loyd, Suzaku.
Loyd and Cecile is needed for mechas.
Arthur is with Lelouch, because he is animal and like to bite idiot Suzaku.
Nina is need to destroy FLEIJA.

Lelouch has everything he need for the plan.

There isn't a place for Kallen. She would be near Lelouch if Suzaku doesn't exist.Fixed. Kallen isn't a part of it by design. He doesn't want her in harm's way. Thus she's going to come in as an enemy to reach him.

[Charred Knight]

I'm still not sure about this. I think if he goes red-eye, and assuming he has no eject system, he'll fight to the death. I just hope Kallen either has a way out or can overcome him.

I suspect something similar. Suzaku would want to stick to the plan, and I suspect he would not be so willing to spare those Lelouch would.

If they're really saving up for a reveal near the end, it would be more of a spoiler to quantify the feelings on his end. We haven't gotten a good look at his thoughts on the matter, while they're fairly clear about how Kallen's feelings have been developing.

They're not going to be tossing nukes left and right, except at the end, probably. Kallen will have time to have this epiphany before the battle gets underway, more than like, and even mid-battle would not be a stretch.

She's fighting Suzaku since she's the only one in the series who can(everyone else would last seconds against him), and I highly doubt that their going to cut the fight short between Suzaku, and Kallen just to be artistic, especially after the shitty last mecha battle we had.

Also the only weapon Schneizel has is nukes, what else is he going to do? He might have a few robots Cornelia could fly, but an army of one decent pilot isn't going to do shit when Suzaku kills her in 2 seconds.

If Kallen does stop Lelouch, I have a feeling that the ending is going to be a Japanese pilot killing the surrendering Lelouch in revenge for everything Britannia did.

[linkinstreet]

Sure we got that Lelouch probably wants to make everyone hate Britannia (in a move I question primarly due to the fact that it would probably end in Britannian Genocide in the 100 millions), but we don't know how its going to work.No, he wanted to make people hate HIM as an individual, not Britannia as a whole.

[lovecakecookies]

I really hope we get some insight into what this Zero Requiem is in the next episode.. whatever it is, Suzaku is a lot more into it than Lulu, and now I understand why they are labeled as ex-friends, they don't act like friends at all, he keeps calling him your highness..:eyebrow:

[Charred Knight]

No, he wanted to make people hate HIM as an individual, not Britannia as a whole.

Britannia is a country populated by 90% racist people what the hell do you think would happen if they surrendered?

It would be one thing if this was presented as a couple of bad eggs, and the Britannian people are really nice like in Fullmetal Alchemist but they where never protrayed that way.

[morbosfist]

She's fighting Suzaku since she's the only one in the series who can(everyone else would last seconds against him), and I highly doubt that their going to cut the fight short between Suzaku, and Kallen just to be artistic, especially after the shitty last mecha battle we had.

Also the only weapon Schneizel has is nukes, what else is he going to do? He might have a few robots Cornelia could fly, but an army of one decent pilot isn't going to do shit when Suzaku kills her in 2 seconds.

If Kallen does stop Lelouch, I have a feeling that the ending is going to be a Japanese pilot killing the surrendering Lelouch in revenge for everything Britannia did.Or maybe they'll cut it short so both will live through this rather than killing one or the other, either one of which would suck.

Check the extended preview. He has a huge army from somewhere. Nuke spamming would be stupid, not to mention the fact that Nunnally's the one holding the button.

That would be a ridiculous ending, and it can be said for certain they would never end it on such a note.

I really hope we get some insight into what this Zero Requiem is in the next episode.. whatever it is, Suzaku is a lot more into it than Lulu, and now I understand why they are labeled as ex-friends, they don't act like friends at all, he keeps calling him your highness..:eyebrow:Probably because they've put aside their differences for a bigger plan, rather than reconciling completely. Suzaku has less people that he cares for, so he's probably more gung-ho than Lelouch is about it.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Britannia is a country populated by 90% racist people what the hell do you think would happen if they surrendered?

It would be one thing if this was presented as a couple of bad eggs, and the Britannian people are really nice like in Fullmetal Alchemist but they where never protrayed that way.

Define racist.

[Utau]

He refused to tell Kallen what he was planning, but felt the need to whisper his goodbye to her. Seems like he wanted to see her one last time, from his perspective.

from a different perspective it could also mean that, he wanted to remove any doubts left in her so she could focus in her original goal. With the unwanted "You must live on, Kallen" stuck in her mind she couldn't make up her mind, Lelouch was aware of that and made sure she gets back on track, probably why he wanted to take a detour with Kallen (specifically) and then gave her a could shoulder. Now that he shove Kallen's feeling away he'll feel more at ease to go with Zero Requiem. Until a certain someone showed up :rolleyes:

[pingva]

from a different perspective it could also mean that, he wanted to remove any doubts left in her so she could focus in her original goal. With the unwanted "You must live on, Kallen" stuck in her mind she couldn't make up her mind, Lelouch was aware of that and made sure she gets back on track, probably why he wanted to take a detour with Kallen (specifically) and then gave her a could shoulder. Now that he shove Kallen's feeling away he'll feel more at ease to go with Zero Requiem. Until a certain someone showed up :rolleyes:


That's sounds like Lelouch.

[bladeofdarkness]

her original goal being what exacly
japan was liberated (says milly)
the results of his new actions have made sure that she could only have a new goal
taking him down

[Charred Knight]

Define racist.
The guys Lelouch killed in the first episode?

People who don't question orders of Genocide? The paint judging scene where they try to tell Euphemia she shouldn't pick the one by a part eleven.

The part where they rename Japan Area 11, and only a couple people seem to mind.

The only rebel force is Schneizel who is apparently doing it because his father wants him too. The scene where people want Euphemia to pick a different knight because Suzaku is Japanese. Dalton's entire character was based on the fact that he wasn't one and he was in the military.

The vast majority of Britannian soldiers can be summed up by the word douchebag. Even the Ashford students are quite rude and they live in Japan.

Like I said it would be one thing if Taniguchi protrayed Britannia like Arakawa showed Amestris, but he couldn't if Britannia had been any less vilesome than we couldn't root for Lelouch.

Britannia isn't Amestris, and Lelouch isn't Roy Mustang

It is a choice Tanaguchi made, and franklly I don't understand what he has planning. The only idea is that Britannia surrenders, and the pure Japan decides to spare the evil Britannia, and frankly I find that racist.

[morbosfist]

You honestly need to get off this already. You're trying much too hard to apply your ideals to Tanaguchi. Yes, Britannians are racist. That's because the system is racist. You'll note that Lelouch destroyed that system, so now Britannians, though probably still racist, can't really exercise it anymore. Racism is no longer a factor, because Lelouch got rid of it.

[Kang Seung Jae]

The guys Lelouch killed in the first episode?

People who don't question orders of Genocide? The paint judging scene where they try to tell Euphemia she shouldn't pick the one by a part eleven.

The part where they rename Japan Area 11, and only a couple people seem to mind.

The only rebel force is Schneizel who is apparently doing it because his father wants him too. The scene where people want Euphemia to pick a different knight because Suzaku is Japanese. Dalton's entire character was based on the fact that he wasn't one and he was in the military.

The vast majority of Britannian soldiers can be summed up by the word douchebag. Even the Ashford students are quite rude and they live in Japan.

Like I said it would be one thing if Taniguchi protrayed Britannia like Arakawa showed Amestris, but he couldn't if Britannia had been any less vilesome than we couldn't root for Lelouch.

Britannia isn't Amestris, and Lelouch isn't Roy Mustang

It is a choice Tanaguchi made, and franklly I don't understand what he has planning. The only idea is that Britannia surrenders, and the pure Japan decides to spare the evil Britannia, and frankly I find that racist.

I see no difference between the people of Britannia and the various European empires during the 1800's. If we go by your line of thoughts, we might as well consider almost all Europeans as racists.

[Utau]

her original goal being what exacly
japan was liberated (says milly)
the results of his new actions have made sure that she could only have a new goal
taking him down

to free Japan. Although I worded it poorly, that's their goal. Lelouch liberated Area 11 but from their knowledge he is plotting something even more. For all I know, it will be trouble for all of them since Lelouch plans to govern the U.F.N. if only the meeting went well.

[Freya]

I see no difference between the people of Britannia and the various European empires during the 1800's. If we go by your line of thoughts, we might as well consider almost all Europeans as racists.

Well yeah technically there were. Those with colonies treated the people with little respect and etc.

[bladeofdarkness]

to free Japan. Although I worded it poorly, that's their goal. Lelouch liberated Area 11 but from their knowledge he is plotting something even more. For all I know, it will be trouble for all of them since Lelouch plans to govern the U.F.N. if only the meeting went well.

his plan was never to govern the UFN
if it was he wouldnt have staged such an attack
and since like i said japan was already free when lulu pulled off his attack then it would give kallen a NEW goal
stopping him (which may be part of his plans)

[Kang Seung Jae]

Well yeah technically there were. Those with colonies treated the people with little respect and etc.

Yes, and how is that being racist?


Really, I'm sick of the abuse of the word racism.

[Utau]

his plan was never to govern the UFN
if it was he wouldnt have staged such an attack
and since like i said japan was already free when lulu pulled off his attack then it would give kallen a NEW goal
stopping him (which may be part of his plans)

I don't see a need for this to continue on since, there's no really difference from what I was pointing out. She's going to stop him because? :p

[Kang Seung Jae]

I don't see a need for this to continue on since, there's no really difference from what I was pointing out. She's going to stop him because? :p

Because she doesn't want Lelouch and Suzaku to go down in history as the worst tyrants ever?

[FoxxFireArt]

from a different perspective it could also mean that, he wanted to remove any doubts left in her so she could focus in her original goal. With the unwanted "You must live on, Kallen" stuck in her mind she couldn't make up her mind, Lelouch was aware of that and made sure she gets back on track, probably why he wanted to take a detour with Kallen (specifically) and then gave her a could shoulder. Now that he shove Kallen's feeling away he'll feel more at ease to go with Zero Requiem. Until a certain someone showed up :rolleyes:

If his intent was to give her the cold shoulder there was no need for a detour or break his character. The definition of giving someone the cold shoulder is about avoiding them. Not requesting time alone with them.
If he wanted her to hate him he would of lied to her. By staying quiet and not saying anything it shows that he wont lie to her.
his plan was never to govern the UFN
if it was he wouldnt have staged such an attack
and since like i said japan was already free when lulu pulled off his attack then it would give kallen a NEW goal
stopping him (which may be part of his plans)
If Lelouch's goal was to rule all he had to do would be to forcibly Geass everyone to do his will. He had control of the area.
Schneizel's early movement ruined his plan.

[Charred Knight]

You honestly need to get off this already. You're trying much too hard to apply your ideals to Tanaguchi. Yes, Britannians are racist. That's because the system is racist. You'll note that Lelouch destroyed that system, so now Britannians, though probably still racist, can't really exercise it anymore. Racism is no longer a factor, because Lelouch got rid of it.


Lelouch: Everyone stop being racist!
Britannian: OKAY!

Like I said if the problem was that the nobles where racists but the common soldiers where not, it would not be a problem. Since the common Britannian soldier are protrayed as stereotypical evil mooks than it is a problem.

Kang Seung Jae, have you read some of the absolute shit Rudyard Kipling wrote?

He wrote a poem called the white man's burden about how white men must make all lesser races like themselves. He only had a line from Gunga Din where the titular character sacrifices himself, and states that Gunga Din was white inside.

In fact one scientist once theorized that the reason why Native Americans where the way they where was because the AMERICAS themselves where inferior to Europe. This included the US people itself, Thomas Jefferson countered with George Washington.

Yes, Europeans changed but it took time, just like how it took time for the change for the South to see the Blacks as equals. The Civil War didn't end and the blacks where treated as equals. Baseball didn't integrate until Jackie Robinson proved that it would be in Baseballs best interest to do so. Just look at the way he was treated, one of his own teammates demanded that either Jackie went or he did (he rescinded his demand when Rickey told him he would be the one going then)

Even after Jackie Robinson suceeded Hank Aaron received several death threats during his carrer.

For Britannia to change, you would need a revelation like America had in the 70's and 80's, and frankly I don't see how Lelouch's plan includes that revelation unless he brainwashes the entire Empire. To have that plan Lelouch would have to have rallies for minorties, and allow for the use of free speech, and teach children that races are equal.

Tanaguchi at times wants to tell a serious and deep story, and at other times he just ducks the answer.

[morbosfist]

You're focusing too much on the racism. Let it go. Face it, Tanaguchi's not going to waste time ironing out the issue. It was a facet that created conflict, not the focus of the series.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Lelouch: Everyone stop being racist!
Britannian: OKAY!

Like I said if the problem was that the nobles where racists but the common soldiers where not, it would not be a problem. Since the common Britannian soldier are protrayed as stereotypical evil mooks than it is a problem.

Kang Seung Jae, have you read some of the absolute shit Rudyard Kipling wrote?

He wrote a poem called the white man's burden about how white men must make all lesser races like themselves. He only had a line from Gunga Din where the titular character sacrifices himself, and states that Gunga Din was white inside.

In fact one scientist once theorized that the reason why Native Americans where the way they where was because the AMERICAS themselves where inferior to Europe. This included the US people itself, Thomas Jefferson countered with George Washington.

Yes, Europeans changed but it took time, just like how it took time for the change for the South to see the Blacks as equals. The Civil War didn't end and the blacks where treated as equals. Baseball didn't integrate until Jackie Robinson proved that it would be in Baseballs best interest to do so. Just look at the way he was treated, one of his own teammates demanded that either Jackie went or he did (he rescinded his demand when Rickey told him he would be the one going then)

Even after Jackie Robinson suceeded Hank Aaron received several death threats during his carrer.

For Britannia to change, you would need a revelation like America had in the 70's and 80's, and frankly I don't see how Lelouch's plan includes that revelation unless he brainwashes the entire Empire. To have that plan Lelouch would have to have rallies for minorties, and allow for the use of free speech, and teach children that races are equal.

Tanaguchi at times wants to tell a serious and deep story, and at other times he just ducks the answer.

Racism is defined by the era. In the political correct world of ours, even the simple notion that a person is better than another is derided as having a superiority complex and other such things. However, in other eras, such a concept of superiority was deemed as logic itself, not to be challenged.


In other words, I hate people who think their righteous by their belief in a way of thinking that isn't accepted in all parts of the world and hasn't been accepted for the majority of history.


Racism is relative, and not accepting that is the same as being a tyrant.



PC BS aside, anyoone thinks there will be less than 4 factions in this war?

[linkinstreet]

Lelouch: Everyone stop being racist!
Britannian: OKAY!

Like I said if the problem was that the nobles where racists but the common soldiers where not, it would not be a problem. Since the common Britannian soldier are protrayed as stereotypical evil mooks than it is a problem.

Kang Seung Jae, have you read some of the absolute shit Rudyard Kipling wrote?

He wrote a poem called the white man's burden about how white men must make all lesser races like themselves. He only had a line from Gunga Din where the titular character sacrifices himself, and states that Gunga Din was white inside.

In fact one scientist once theorized that the reason why Native Americans where the way they where was because the AMERICAS themselves where inferior to Europe. This included the US people itself, Thomas Jefferson countered with George Washington.

Yes, Europeans changed but it took time, just like how it took time for the change for the South to see the Blacks as equals. The Civil War didn't end and the blacks where treated as equals. Baseball didn't integrate until Jackie Robinson proved that it would be in Baseballs best interest to do so. Just look at the way he was treated, one of his own teammates demanded that either Jackie went or he did (he rescinded his demand when Rickey told him he would be the one going then)

Even after Jackie Robinson suceeded Hank Aaron received several death threats during his carrer.

For Britannia to change, you would need a revelation like America had in the 70's and 80's, and frankly I don't see how Lelouch's plan includes that revelation unless he brainwashes the entire Empire. To have that plan Lelouch would have to have rallies for minorties, and allow for the use of free speech, and teach children that races are equal.

Tanaguchi at times wants to tell a serious and deep story, and at other times he just ducks the answer.It doesn't matter, because Geass was an anti "1 country to rule them all" anime in the first place

[Freya]

Let's stop talking about this. Hardly a subject worth talking about.

Any spoilers for 23?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Let's stop talking about this. Hardly a subject worth talking about.

Any spoilers for 23?

Spoilers or speculations?

[morbosfist]

Let's stop talking about this. Hardly a subject worth talking about.

Any spoilers for 23?None that haven't already been seen. Suzaku gives Lelouch a stern talking, Gino and Kallen have a scene together for whatever reason, Anya is going to look at pictures of Lelouch and Suzaku and say one of three keywords (record, heroes, or past), there's gonna be a big battle where Tohdoh shanks the last Glaston Knight, Schneizel fights Lelouch over Fuji, and Nunnally has her finger on the button.

[bladeofdarkness]

None that haven't already been seen. Suzaku gives Lelouch a stern talking, Gino and Kallen have a scene together for whatever reason, Anya is going to look at pictures of Lelouch and Suzaku and say one of three keywords (record, heroes, or past), there's gonna be a big battle where Tohdoh shanks the last Glaston Knight, Schneizel fights Lelouch over Fuji, and Nunnally has her finger on the button.

who else thinks that suzaku gives lulu a talk since lulu wants to back out of the plan at the last moment

[pingva]

How could you forgot!
Nunnally is ready to lauch FLEIJA by herself and kill her brother.

[pingva]

who else thinks that suzaku gives lulu a talk since lulu wants to back out of the plan at the last moment

Turn 23 - Schenizel's Mask 「シュナイゼル　の　仮面」 , Sept 14
From Newtype
Lelouch is suffering from having to become enemies with his beloved sister, Nunnally. To make him remember his original goal, Suzaku throws harsh words at him, and heads off towards the battlefield alone.

[morbosfist]

How could you forgot!
Nunnally is ready to lauch FLEIJA by herself and kill her brother.It can't be said for sure if she's aiming at Lelouch. Maybe she's aiming at the Black Knights, or some random country that doesn't know when they're outmatched.

[linkinstreet]

none that haven't already been seen. Suzaku gives lelouch a stern talking, gino and kallen have a scene together for whatever reason, anya is going to look at pictures of lelouch and suzaku and say one of three keywords (record, heroes, or past), there's gonna be a big battle where tohdoh shanks the last glaston knight, schneizel fights lelouch over fuji, and nunnally has her finger on the button.the button!!!

[Charred Knight]

You're focusing too much on the racism. Let it go. Face it, Tanaguchi's not going to waste time ironing out the issue. It was a facet that created conflict, not the focus of the series.

I would if Tanaguchi had never stated that Sunrise screwed him with the time change, and if he didn't start talking about how much his work has been comprimised.

If he wants his work to be compared to the greats like Zeta Gundam, than I will compare it to Zeta Gundam.

In the UC Era, the problem between Space, and Earth is never resolved since the Earth is trying to control an Empire without losing it. The only thing that is resolved is that Zeon is finally destroyed, not the root of the problem. In fact Turn A Gundam states that the problem only ended when the Earth's technology was turned to sand.

In Turn A Gundam, the Moonrace lead by the Dianna counter where protrayed as great people, and the Earth people where protrayed the same, it was only a few people that fucked the whole thing up, and both Dianna's people, and the Earth forces teamed up to put an end to Gym before he destroyed the world. Once that happened than the Earth and Moon made peace.

Tanaguchi wants to have a dark grim series like Zeta Gundam, but he wants to give it an ending like Turn A Gundam which was a much lighter series. That I find completely confusing. I suspect he might have been the guy who fucked up Mai Hime's ending since it was the same thing their, a series that was dark and grim, and the ending has the cast forgiving the psychotic lesbian and everyone returning to life.

[pingva]

It can't be said for sure if she's aiming at Lelouch. Maybe she's aiming at the Black Knights, or some random country that doesn't know when they're outmatched.

Nunnally Lamperouge gum line:
“I will put an end to oniisama’s sin.”

That’s quite enough for Nunnally to be Suzaku’s and Lelouch’s enemy for a while.

[morbosfist]

the button!!!Yes, the button. Those vi Britannia's love their buttons. Multi-purpose buttons that do anything and everything with a single press.

Nunnally Lamperouge gum line:
“I will put an end to oniisama’s sin.”

That’s quite enough for Nunnally to be Suzaku’s and Lelouch’s enemy.That doesn't mean she's trying to nuke them next episode.

[Ring]

None that haven't already been seen. Suzaku gives Lelouch a stern talking, Gino and Kallen have a scene together for whatever reason, Anya is going to look at pictures of Lelouch and Suzaku and say one of three keywords (record, heroes, or past), there's gonna be a big battle where Tohdoh shanks the last Glaston Knight, Schneizel fights Lelouch over Fuji, and Nunnally has her finger on the button.
Lelouch also pressed his all-in-one magical red button. Judging by the chair he's sitting on, it looks he'll be on the Avalon.

[bladeofdarkness]

how funny is it that the two women who love lulu most both end up fighting him

[Charred Knight]

Nunnally Lamperouge gum line:
“I will put an end to oniisama’s sin.”

That’s quite enough for Nunnally to be Suzaku’s and Lelouch’s enemy.

That and the spoiler that Lelouch will fight Nunnaly, as Suzaku fights Kallen.

Though I could see Nunnaly killing the UFN and then aiming it at Lelouch, but that would defeat Taniguchi's bizzare ending he seems to have planned where monkeys crap rainbows.

[Kang Seung Jae]

how funny is it that the two women who love lulu most both end up fighting him

Probably because the person they love is going on the Path of the Demon.

[Utau]

Because she doesn't want Lelouch and Suzaku to go down in history as the worst tyrants ever?

that could be :heh:

If his intent was to give her the cold shoulder there was no need for a detour or break his character. The definition of giving someone the cold shoulder is about avoiding them. Not requesting time alone with them.
If he wanted her to hate him he would of lied to her.

I see your point and I would agree but, that's not Lelouch's character at all. He may have done it to Rivalz but he was way far from him to even wink. And him breaking his character.. i don't think that's it. He pretended not to know Kallen when they stood up infront of the crowd, asked to take a detour, if you want to know what a person is thinking after creating such a stranger atmosphere you first have to lighten the mood. In which, Lelouch did exactly and then Kallen started speaking about the past, Lulu on the other hand just listened quietly. Even after the kiss he didn't lose his composure and only let out a "goodbye" behind her back.


By staying quiet and not saying anything it shows that he wont lie to her.
he could also be saying "sorry" to her but she failed to notice it yet again. It's a sad way of parting.

[pingva]

how funny is it that the two women who love lulu most both end up fighting him

except that Lelouch didn't know about Nunnally and never fought against her.

[Utau]

how funny is it that the two women who love lulu most both end up fighting him

Probably because the person they love is going on the Path of the Demon.

I thought Nunnally likes Suzaku?

[morbosfist]

I thought Nunnally likes Suzaku?Wouldn't take much to get her against him. He's helping Lelouch, who was Zero, whose actions Nunnally would not agree with.

[Kang Seung Jae]

I thought Nunnally likes Suzaku?

As a friend, yes. But as a lover? No.

[Utau]

Wouldn't take much to get her against him. He's helping Lelouch, who was Zero, whose actions Nunnally would not agree with.

I still have hope that she would come to a realization :heh:.


As a friend, yes. But as a lover? No.

Lelouch asked Nunnally if it's okay with her that Euphy is with Suzaku back in s1.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Lelouch asked Nunnally if it's okay with her that Euphy is with Suzaku back in s1.

And? How is that connected to Nunnally supposingly loving Suzaku?

[Utau]

And? How is that connected to Nunnally supposingly loving Suzaku?

You know that has to mean something. And I didn't say she love's him, like =/= love.

[Kang Seung Jae]

You know that has to mean something. And I didn't say she love's him, like =/= love.

Oh, "like". You seemed to be saying "love" until now.

[Utau]

I wasn't, you even quoted me :)

anyway, enough of this :p.

[Marsala]

I thought Nunnally likes Suzaku?

She likes Suzaku, but not as much as she loves Lelouch. Yeah... :uhoh:

[bladeofdarkness]

while i can see gino and anya deceiding to go and help snap suzaku out of his mad state
i cant help but feel that kallen at least in ep 23 and possibly ep 24 will be about actually taking lelouch down rather then "saving him from himself"
i dont think she would go out from the start to go and save him but rather to put an end to him not despite but rather BECOUSE she just figured out that she loves him (love makes you do the wacky)
she's not likely change her mind until she actually figures out what his plan is and i dont see that happaning until at least ep 24

[linkinstreet]

while i can see gino and anya deceiding to go and help snap suzaku out of his mad state
i cant help but feel that kallen at least in ep 23 and possibly ep 24 will be about actually taking lelouch down rather then "saving him from himself"
i dont think she would go out from the start to go and save him but rather to put an end to him not despite but rather BECOUSE she just figured out that she loves him (love makes you do the wacky)
she's not likely change her mind until she actually figures out what his plan is and i dont see that happaning until at least ep 24Well she might as well kill him rather than see him being evil, if that what you mean

[equinox822]

No. Kallen dies by Suzaku's hand. That is appropriate retribution for killing Luciano, the second coming of GAR.

[bladeofdarkness]

No. Kallen dies by Suzaku's hand. That is appropriate retribution for killing Luciano, the second coming of GAR.

second coming of GAR ?
that would probably be the single most tragic event in the show
worse then euphie and sherly
since while euphie was an accident on lulus part and he didnt actually have a hand in sherly's fate (who could have known)
he actually took steps to try and keep kallen from being hurt by his actions and for her to die becouse of them would end up as the most tragic outcome
and luciano was a prick (as evident by not even the other KOR caring that she killed him)

[Vito]

No. Kallen dies by Suzaku's hand. That is appropriate retribution for killing Luciano, the second coming of GAR.

Your posting history is very interesting.

[Airi]

No. Kallen dies by Suzaku's hand.

Nobody will die in this fight: I think something/someone will stop them.

[Vito]

Nobody will die in this fight: I think something/someone will stop them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kallen died.

[linkinstreet]

No. Kallen dies by Suzaku's hand. That is appropriate retribution for killing Luciano, the second coming of GAR.If you are saying that Luciano is in the same Garness level of Kamina, you are being blasphemous

[Tokkan]

Luciano can't be as gar as Kamina. He can't even be as gar as Simon. The only thing he's got is the drill, nothing else.

[killbethy]

Wouldn't it be more divine retribution since Lelouch killed Euphie (who Suzaku loved)? But then again, Lelouch also admitted that Euphy was his first love too.

[bladeofdarkness]

Wouldn't it be more divine retribution since Lelouch killed Euphie (who Suzaku loved)? But then again, Lelouch also admitted that Euphy was his first love too.

actually since the roles are reversed then in season 1 the karmic outcome would be for kallen to win since suzaku is the one "protecting" lelouch
but thats a longshot (25% chance at best)

[Baixinho]

Bah, I don't really think Kallen will die in a KMF fight. If she is to die, she must have the opportunity to say her Gum Card line to Lelouch (I guess we can all agree that there is about 99% of chance that this line is said to Lelouch, considering that her whole quest since Ep 19 resolve around knowing Lelouch's feelings for her).
I am pretty confident that neither her or Suzaku will die in this fight.

[Tokkan]

Kallen and Suzaku are normally on equal ground in fights unless one of them has an advantage. This time they're both on the same technological level.

[Baixinho]

Yeah, I agree. They never was one of them who really seemed to have an edge in the piloting skills. I guess it will be a kind of epic battle which will probably be interrputed by something/someone instead of a battle to death. It would be too early and kind of anti-climatic for anyone of them to die in a KMF fight in Ep 24.

[Narona]

Kallen and Suzaku are normally on equal ground in fights unless one of them has an advantage. This time they're both on the same technological level.
My personal opinion is that Suzaku is better.

But even if they supposely are on equal ground in fight, Suzaku has his Live On geass. And now, as stated by lelouch in 22, he knows how to use it at his advantage.

Unless something happens, I don't think that kallen stands a chance. But that doesn't mean she will die. Suzaku hasn't killed Gino, and it was on purpose. He didn't want to kill him.

[Pink-chan]

Look when you've got mind control eyes of course your going to use it, you use whatever resources you have available and it just happens to be his most potenet weapon, capable of turning your his enemy into a completely submissive ally.

Plus he had nothing at the start of the show, bar whatever resouces he managed to gather himself through his gambling. Compare this to Schenziel who was the prime minister of Britannia, had a sizeable trust fund, great engineers(Llyod+Cecile), a huge army and almost unlimited resouces.

Of course he needed an ace in the hole.


Oh and if he had just shit spammed geass to get what he wanted their would've been a whole lot less bloodshed.

How to rule the world in 9 easy steps:

1.Go around Britannia in secret geassing as many soldiers at their bases to follow him.

2.Geass the KoR's in secret when their out of their mechs.

3.Send them into stomp Charles into a pile of shit.

4.Geass the rest of the Royalty to get them to aknowledge you.

5.Do what he did, demolishing nobilty, corporate structures and free the area's to get a good public image.

6.Pay diplomatic visits to the other countries, geassing their leaders and then getting them to summon the heads of the armies and geass them and then get them to gather as many as their troops outside of vehicles as possible making them slaves to his will.

7.Repeat as many countries as necessary.

8.Activate them all.

9.Profit with alot less bloodshed than his half assed rebellion.

Sounds good. There is still a X factor. Lelouch wouldn't have considered if he does that in short period of time upon receiving his Geass. Sure enough, Charles will become a pile of shit, Lelouch can sit in the throne. The following 'orphanage' is enough to thwart his plan given enough time :heh: The leader would have noticed

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8829/eclipsecodegeasslelouchsu1.jpg

My personal opinion is that Suzaku is better.

But even if they supposely are on equal ground in fight, Suzaku has his Live On geass. And now, as stated by lelouch in 22, he knows how to use it as his advantage.

Unless something happens, I don't think that kallen stands a chance. But that doesn't mean she will die. Suzaku hasn't killed Gino, and it was on purpose. He didn't want to kill him.

If Suzaku learnt to use it to his advantage earlier, many wouldn't have died (Freija) :heh: He only learnt to use it while working under Emperor Lelouch which is more interesting to look at.

[Baixinho]

My personal opinion is that Suzaku is better.

But even if they supposely are on equal ground in fight, Suzaku has his Live On geass. And now, as stated by lelouch in 22, he knows how to use it at his advantage.

Unless something happens, I don't think that kallen stands a chance. But that doesn't mean she will die. Suzaku hasn't killed Gino, and it was on purpose. He didn't want to kill him.

I'm not sure he will use it in a fight with Kallen : as you said, I don't think he will be willing to kill her, so he will probably not use the trick he used against Bismark, as he can not really control the effects of his "live on". And considering that they would both be on equal grounds, Kallen would most probably not be in position to actually threaten Suzaku's life enough to activate the "live on".

My take is that they will be interrupted

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

If Suzaku learnt to use it to his advantage earlier, many wouldn't have died (Freija) :heh: He only learnt to use it while working under Emperor Lelouch which is more interesting to look at.
No, it was either Freija or run away at that point since Kallen had the advantage and could have very well chance him, with Bismark it was different Suzaku had the superior technology and it just so happens that Bismark used his geass.

[Narona]

I'm not sure he will use it in a fight with Kallen : as you said, I don't think he will be willing to kill her, so he will probably not use the trick he used against Bismark, as he can not really control the effects of his "live on". And considering that they would both be on equal grounds, Kallen would most probably not be in position to actually threaten Suzaku's life enough to activate the "live on".

My take is that they will be interrupted
It could, even if I doubt it. I don't see Kallen wins this fight.

Another possibility though, given the summaries, Suzaku seems to not want to hesitate to fight/kill Nunnaly, while lelouch is ....<_<

Gino was not really a problem for him, that's maybe why he hasn't killed him.

But Kallen is on another Level.

So, maybe he will not hesitate to try to kill kallen, for Zero Requiem.

[bladeofdarkness]

what im hoping for is a script like this

kallen and suzaku face off and start talking
kallen asks where lelouch is
suzaku tells her to leave since lulu wouldnt want him to kill her but he also wont let her pass and ruin their plan
she tells him that shes going to stop whatever it is they have planned (at this point she still doesnt know) and he says that he has no choice but to kill her then
they start fighting with kallen gaining the upper hand for a while by pushing the guren past the 60% power output to the point where suzaku is at a disadventege so that suzaku's geass order gets triggered and then suzaku "wins" by taking out the arm (the "win" is becouse the guren still has the knife and the wings as weapons, so its not completely powerless but is still at a great disadventge)
but before he can kill her their fight gets interupted by gino and anya with gino telling kallen that her fight isnt with suzaku but with lulu
she leaves and gino and anya fight suzaku (the albion at this point has lost most of its weapons in the fight against the guren)
they try to convince suzaku to turn back but he wont listen to them and after a while takes them down (without killing them) and goes chasing after kallen to stop her

kallen meanwhile comes across C.C in the pinkcelot and after thrashing her she pins her down (pins the pinkcelot down with the guren) and demaneds to know what lelouch is planing
since they are in contect (by KMF) C.C triggers a mental talk with kallen and they start talking in the mental world (like what happend to lulu and C.C in ep 25)
C.C does this since it would help keep kallen from reaching lelouch (she can keep it up as long as she wants (but since kallen is a friend she doesnt show her "shock pictures" but rather just talks with her)
when kallen asks her why she would help lelouch do all the bad things he is trying to do (she doesnt know) and C.C tells her shes really thick to not figure it out already
C.C tells her about what lulu has planned (the celestial being thing) and kallen is shocked at it (having realized that he isnt actually as bad as she believed) and questions why C.C would let him do that and not stop him
C.C gives her reason which (as per her usual excuse) is that she doesnt really care what he does as long as he fills their contract
kallen calls it bullshit and tells C.C that she cant fool herself and that she really does love him even if she wouldnt admit it
C.C deceides that maybe she should stop lulu after all but since she cant do it herself (what with the pickcelot being trashed) she asks kallen to do it but says she'll help her get past suzaku (end of dreamworld scene)

suzaku meanwhile has found the both of them and is charging at kallen but she gets out of the way faster then possible (now using the guren at 100% output)
while she's flying around so fast that suzaku cant keep track of her and he is wondering how she's doing it
we cue to the guren cockpit and see that kallen now has a geass
her geass lets her speed up her perception of the world and makes it look like everything else is three times slower then normal (in other words SHE is three times faster,ala char) she takes him down (without killing him, since she knows what they are trying to do and is feeling sorry for him rather then hates him) and goes to try and find lelouch
it may be a bit unrealistic (or corny
buts shes gonna have to get past him SOMEHOW

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

I'm not sure he will use it in a fight with Kallen : as you said, I don't think he will be willing to kill her, so he will probably not use the trick he used against Bismark, as he can not really control the effects of his "live on". And considering that they would both be on equal grounds, Kallen would most probably not be in position to actually threaten Suzaku's life enough to activate the "live on".

My take is that they will be interrupted
Well Kallen's character has always been about interruptions

[Narona]

what im hoping for is a script like this
it may be a bit unrealistic (or corny
buts shes gonna have to get past him SOMEHOW

TL;DR

Na, joking.

Well, it's possible I guess. A lot of scenarios are possible :heh: . But I prefer the one I posted in the C.C. thread :p

Seriously, the best would be that no one dies. That's all i want.

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

what im hoping for is a script like this

kallen and suzaku face off and start talking
kallen asks where lelouch is
suzaku tells her to leave since lulu wouldnt want him to kill her but he also wont let her pass and ruin their plan
she tells him that shes going to stop whatever it is they have planned (at this point she still doesnt know) and he says that he has no choice but to kill her then
they start fighting with kallen gaining the upper hand for a while by pushing the guren past the 60% power output to the point where suzaku is at a disadventege so that suzaku's geass order gets triggered and then suzaku "wins" by taking out the arm (the "win" is becouse the guren still has the knife and the wings as weapons, so its not completely powerless but is still at a great disadventge)
but before he can kill her their fight gets interupted by gino and anya with gino telling kallen that her fight isnt with suzaku but with lulu
she leaves and gino and anya fight suzaku (the albion at this point has lost most of its weapons in the fight against the guren)
they try to convince suzaku to turn back but he wont listen to them and after a while takes them down (without killing them) and goes chasing after kallen to stop her

kallen meanwhile comes across C.C in the pinkcelot and after thrashing her she pins her down (pins the pinkcelot down with the guren) and demaneds to know what lelouch is planing
since they are in contect (by KMF) C.C triggers a mental talk with kallen and they start talking in the mental world (like what happend to lulu and C.C in ep 25)
C.C does this since it would help keep kallen from reaching lelouch (she can keep it up as long as she wants (but since kallen is a friend she doesnt show her "shock pictures" but rather just talks with her)
when kallen asks her why she would help lelouch do all the bad things he is trying to do (she doesnt know) and C.C tells her shes really thick to not figure it out already
C.C tells her about what lulu has planned (the celestial being thing) and kallen is shocked at it (having realized that he isnt actually as bad as she believed) and questions why C.C would let him do that and not stop him
C.C gives her reason which (as per her usual excuse) is that she doesnt really care what he does as long as he fills their contract
kallen calls it bullshit and tells C.C that she cant fool herself and that she really does love him even if she wouldnt admit it
C.C deceides that maybe she should stop lulu after all but since she cant do it herself (what with the pickcelot being trashed) she asks kallen to do it but says she'll help her get past suzaku (end of dreamworld scene)

suzaku meanwhile has found the both of them and is charging at kallen but she gets out of the way faster then possible (now using the guren at 100% output)
while she's flying around so fast that suzaku cant keep track of her and he is wondering how she's doing it
we cue to the guren cockpit and see that kallen now has a geass
her geass lets her speed up her perception of the world and makes it look like everything else is three times slower then normal (in other words SHE is three times faster,ala char) she takes him down (without killing him, since she knows what they are trying to do and is feeling sorry for him rather then hates him) and goes to try and find lelouch
it may be a bit unrealistic (or corny
buts shes gonna have to get past him SOMEHOW
So she gets a geass in episode 24? Eh.....whatever nothing we haven't seen before, but this also means she is most likely to die because her and Lelouch are the only geass users alive and Lelouch more or less is determine to destroy it along with himself, also why is that the Lanclot has lost most of its weapons but the Guren only loses its arm and yet has the knife wnd everything else? :eyebrow:

[bladeofdarkness]

So she gets a geass in episode 24? Eh.....whatever nothing we haven't seen before, but this also means she is most likely to die because her and Lelouch are the only geass users alive and elouch more or less is determine to destroy it along with himself, also why is that the Lanclot has lost most of its weapons but the Guren only loses its arm and yet has the knife wnd everything else? :eyebrow:


becouse the lancelot has no one main weapon
it has several (mvs ,wings ,varis, harkens)
the guren has the arm
it has others but when you ask what the gurens weapon is its mainly the arm

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

becouse the lancelot has no one main weapon
it has several (mvs ,wings ,varis, harkens)
the guren has the arm
it has others but when you ask what the gurens weapon is its the mainly the arm
That's true, but I thought the Guren still had its more internal weaponry like the Gefun Net?

[bladeofdarkness]

That's true, but I thought the Guren still had its more internal weaponry like the Gefun Net?


not anymore from the looks of things
it even lost its slash harken and machine gun
its down to the arm (which also has a harken booster) the knife and the wings (who from the looks of things only slice and dont fire like the albions

[Tokkan]

not anymore from the looks of things
it even lost its slash harken and machine gun

Machine gun? It's a grenade launcher. And the only times she's ever used that damn thing is in Stage 18 and Turn 6.

[Baixinho]

It could, even if I doubt it. I don't see Kallen wins this fight.

Another possibility though, given the summaries, Suzaku seems to not want to hesitate to fight/kill Nunnaly, while lelouch is ....<_<

Gino was not really a problem for him, that's maybe why he hasn't killed him.

But Kallen is on another Level.

So, maybe he will not hesitate to try to kill kallen, for Zero Requiem.

I don't think she will win either, but more that they will be interrupted.

You may be right, but I don't think Suzaku will actually have the heart to kill her.


what im hoping for is a script like this

kallen and suzaku face off and start talking
kallen asks where lelouch is
suzaku tells her to leave since lulu wouldnt want him to kill her but he also wont let her pass and ruin their plan
she tells him that shes going to stop whatever it is they have planned (at this point she still doesnt know) and he says that he has no choice but to kill her then
they start fighting with kallen gaining the upper hand for a while by pushing the guren past the 60% power output to the point where suzaku is at a disadventege so that suzaku's geass order gets triggered and then suzaku "wins" by taking out the arm (the "win" is becouse the guren still has the knife and the wings as weapons, so its not completely powerless but is still at a great disadventge)
but before he can kill her their fight gets interupted by gino and anya with gino telling kallen that her fight isnt with suzaku but with lulu
she leaves and gino and anya fight suzaku (the albion at this point has lost most of its weapons in the fight against the guren)
they try to convince suzaku to turn back but he wont listen to them and after a while takes them down (without killing them) and goes chasing after kallen to stop her

kallen meanwhile comes across C.C in the pinkcelot and after thrashing her she pins her down (pins the pinkcelot down with the guren) and demaneds to know what lelouch is planing
since they are in contect (by KMF) C.C triggers a mental talk with kallen and they start talking in the mental world (like what happend to lulu and C.C in ep 25)
C.C does this since it would help keep kallen from reaching lelouch (she can keep it up as long as she wants (but since kallen is a friend she doesnt show her "shock pictures" but rather just talks with her)
when kallen asks her why she would help lelouch do all the bad things he is trying to do (she doesnt know) and C.C tells her shes really thick to not figure it out already
C.C tells her about what lulu has planned (the celestial being thing) and kallen is shocked at it (having realized that he isnt actually as bad as she believed) and questions why C.C would let him do that and not stop him
C.C gives her reason which (as per her usual excuse) is that she doesnt really care what he does as long as he fills their contract
kallen calls it bullshit and tells C.C that she cant fool herself and that she really does love him even if she wouldnt admit it
C.C deceides that maybe she should stop lulu after all but since she cant do it herself (what with the pickcelot being trashed) she asks kallen to do it but says she'll help her get past suzaku (end of dreamworld scene)

suzaku meanwhile has found the both of them and is charging at kallen but she gets out of the way faster then possible (now using the guren at 100% output)
while she's flying around so fast that suzaku cant keep track of her and he is wondering how she's doing it
we cue to the guren cockpit and see that kallen now has a geass
her geass lets her speed up her perception of the world and makes it look like everything else is three times slower then normal (in other words SHE is three times faster,ala char) she takes him down (without killing him, since she knows what they are trying to do and is feeling sorry for him rather then hates him) and goes to try and find lelouch
it may be a bit unrealistic (or corny
buts shes gonna have to get past him SOMEHOW

Well, it's not that far-fetched.
But from the Ep 25 summary, I have the feeling that Suzaku and Lelouch will be ready for the last step of their plan in the beginning of the episode. So to me it means either they will all be gathered together at the begining of ep 25, or she won't be able to reach Lelouch at first (the time for them to begin the process of their last step) but then she will finally reach them in Episode 25, either at the last minute or just too late, depending on how tragic the end of the show will be.

Well Kallen's character has always been about interruptions

So true :D

[bladeofdarkness]

Machine gun? It's a grenade launcher. And the only times she's ever used that damn thing is in Stage 18 and Turn 6.

what ever
she had it and now she doesnt
thats all that matters (also used it in ep 6 R2)

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

not anymore from the looks of things
it even lost its slash harken and machine gun
its down to the arm (which also has a harken booster) the knife and the wings (who from the looks of things only slice and dont fire like the albions
Well that sucks, in my opinion the Guren Flight-Enabled Version might had been the best variation due to those advantages itself, oh well at least it looks pretty :hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2493/2e21q2rtr7.gif (http://imageshack.us) http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8850/2cf2nb7hn5.gif (http://imageshack.us) http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8392/2jd2g6qxd8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Tokkan]

what ever
she had it and now she doesnt
thats all that matters (also used it in ep 6 R2)

I said Turn 6.

Also, blade. That scenario... I would not like it if Kallen got herself a geass.

[bladeofdarkness]

I said Turn 6.

Also, blade. That scenario... I would not like it if Kallen got herself a geass.


didnt see it sorry

i just dont think that their last fight would be in ep 24
its should be in ep 25
so there should be two fights between them
one before she knows their plan and is only out to stop them
and one after she learns and then is actually trying to save them (well, lulu)
the geass thing was partly a joke but she needs something to overwhelm suzaku with (just like bismark did during the sword fight
if the enemy is too powerful then even his geass order wont save him from being defeated
and once kallen gains the resolve to save lulu she needs to win the fight SOMEHOW
so thats just a way

[ZeroSama]

My personal opinion is that Suzaku is better.

But even if they supposely are on equal ground in fight, Suzaku has his Live On geass. And now, as stated by lelouch in 22, he knows how to use it at his advantage.

Unless something happens, I don't think that kallen stands a chance. But that doesn't mean she will die. Suzaku hasn't killed Gino, and it was on purpose. He didn't want to kill him.

Kallen has the power of love now though, while Suzaku has the power of.....douchebagedness? Well since he fired FLEIJA anyway. He's doomed if they fight now.

[Narona]

Kallen has the power of love now though, while Suzaku has the power of.....douchebagedness? Well since he fired FLEIJA anyway. He's doomed if they fight now.
Is this a serious argument? :heh:

Sorry, I don't believe in that.

[bladeofdarkness]

Is this a serious argument? :heh:

Sorry, I don't believe in that.

the power of love thing might be a joke
but he does have a point
once it becomes clear that kallen needs to save lulu from his own plan then plot wise she should be able to win
becouse from the looks of things suzaku would be standing between her and saving lelouch

[ZeroSama]

Is this a serious argument? :heh:

Sorry, I don't believe in that.

Look Suzaku was generally a nice guy in Season 1 and more often than not he beat or stalemated Kallen. Now in R2 he's a much colder and harder individual and look whats happened. Has he beaten Kallen once this season? uh uh.

Suzaku 0

Kallen 2

Unless Suzaku goes back to his white knight persona Kallen will continue to trounce his ass.

[Narona]

the power of love thing might be a joke
but he does have a point
once it becomes clear that kallen needs to save lulu from his own plan then plot wise she should be able to win
becouse from the looks of things suzaku would be standing between her and saving lelouch

Still I don't buy it.

[OMG_Zerg_Rush]

My personal opinion is that Suzaku is better.

But even if they supposely are on equal ground in fight, Suzaku has his Live On geass. And now, as stated by lelouch in 22, he knows how to use it at his advantage.



All Kallen has to say is "i wont kill you" during the fight and if Suzaku belives her then the live command wont work.

[Narona]

Look Suzaku was generally a nice guy in Season 1 and more often than not he beat or stalemated Kallen. Now in R2 he's a much colder and harder individual and look whats happened. Has he beaten Kallen once this season? uh uh.

Suzaku 0

Kallen 2

Unless Suzaku goes back to his white knight persona Kallen will continue to trounce his ass.
The new guren VS the old lancelot was not a fair fight at all.

Can't be compared like that, and as I say it, now Suzaku use his live on since ep22

And personaly, I don't like the kind of argument "this person is a douchebag so"

Since I don't see him as a douchebag, I disagree

[bladeofdarkness]

Still I don't buy it.

i think its a longshot too but lets see how he behaves next ep
if he really turns into the knight templar persona then he will need to be defeated by someone (kallen is most likely)

[Baixinho]

Still I don't buy it.

Well if she sets up her mind on saving Lelouch, in a way or another she will get to him, for the sake of the plot. The "power of love" is sure too corny for Code Geass, but there will be something that will let her get to Lelouch, cause it would make no sense plot-wise to have her try to save him and dying in the process. It would make her character useless.

[Narona]

Well if she sets up her mind on saving Lelouch, in a way or another she will get to him, for the sake of the plot. The "power of love" is sure too corny for Code Geass, but there will be something that will let her get to Lelouch, cause it would make no sense plot-wise to have her try to save him and dying in the process. It would make her character useless.
I didn't say she will not reach lelouch, but not by winning against suzaku in a fair fight, that's all.

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

Well if she sets up her mind on saving Lelouch, in a way or another she will get to him, for the sake of the plot. The "power of love" is sure too corny for Code Geass, but there will be something that will let her get to Lelouch, cause it would make no sense plot-wise to have her try to save him and dying in the process. It would make her character useless.
Shirley used the power of love and look what happened to her, also Zero Sama has always hated Suzaku so of course he's gonna root for her, by the way the battles they had in season two doesn't count cause they never thought on equal terms or they were interrupted so its

Suzaku-0

Kallen-0

[bladeofdarkness]

you know
i just rewatched ep 18 and i think i may have been wrong
the guren has on its back the same thing that lunched the gefun net things
it might still have that after all

[Narona]

you know
i just rewatched ep 18 and i think i may have been wrong
the guren has on its back the same thing that lunched the gefun net things
it might still have that after all
Unless Rakshata use an updated version of the gefun, Llyod surely included something in the albion to disable the effect

[Baixinho]

I didn't say she will not reach lelouch, but not by winning against suzaku is a fair fight, that's all.

Well, that may not be fair, but she'll have to get through him somehow.

But the more I think about it the more I think the fight will be interrupted, and Suzaku will go back to Lelouch in Ep24, or she will lose and be left for dead or something. But in a way, Suzaku and Leouch will be alone at the beginning of Ep 25, ready to go on with the last step of their plan.

Then in Episode 25 Kallen will be able to get to them, either at the last minute, or too late, depending on how tragic the end will be.

Shirley used the power of love and look what happened to her, also Zero Sama has always hated Suzaku so of course he's gonna root for her, by the way the battles they had in season two doesn't count cause they never thought on equal terms or they were interrupted so its

Suzaku-0

Kallen-0


Yes, but it was in episode 13, it was too early story-wise. Here Kallen will be actually the last chance for Lelouch to get out of the path of the demon.

[ZeroSama]

Shirley used the power of love and look what happened to her, also Zero Sama has always hated Suzaku so of course he's gonna root for her, by the way the battles they had in season two doesn't count cause they never thought on equal terms or they were interrupted so its

Suzaku-0

Kallen-0


How the fuck have i hated on Suzaku? Check my posts in the Suzaku thread before you post crap.

I liked him in Season 1 and have disliked him in R2 because of his change in personality, which i would like to see any Suzaku fan justify as a change for the better.

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

Well, that may not be fair, but she'll have to get through him somehow.

But the more I think about it the more I think the fight will be interrupted, and Suzaku will go back to Lelouch in Ep24, or she will lose and be left for dead or something. But in a way, Suzaku and Leouch will be alone at the beginning of Ep 25, ready to go on with the last step of their plan.

Then in Episode 25 Kallen will be able to get to them, either at the last minute, or too late, depending on how tragic the end will be.
Well Kallen's seiyuu Ami Koshimizu did say that they had finished recording the last episode so we can assume she'll be in it but still everyone is waiting for that stupid gum line to appear just to keep her alive.

[Narona]

Well, that may not be fair, but she'll have to get through him somehow.

I hope not, but it could since no one is really a good person in this show. She could use a trick, I didn't think about that.

But some people will not like that if she uses a trick. But the other people will not care at all.

[Narona]

Well Kallen's seiyuu Ami Koshimizu did say that they had finished recording the last episode so we can assume she'll be in it but still everyone is waitinf for that stupid gum line

-__________- I think so, but we could be wrong. Keep in mind that every VA knows when the last recording session took place.

That doesn't mean she was in. At least she didn't say that she was in or not.

So 90% sure, but not 100.

[bladeofdarkness]

How the fuck have i hated on Suzaku? Check my posts in the Suzaku thread before you post crap.

I liked him in Season 1 and have disliked him in R2 because of his change in personality, which i would like to see any Suzaku fan justify as a change for the better.

i agree on that one
suzaku went from being kira yamato to being shinn asuka this season
only minus the first part of destiny when hes actually likeble

[patnam]

-__________- I think so, but we could be wrong. Keep in mind that every VA knows when the last recording session took place.

That doesn't mean she was in. At least she didn't say that she was in or not.

So 90% sure, but not 100.

If so I hope is true, even VA for Nunnally is not sure whether is in the last recording session took place...

[Narona]

If so I hope is true, even VA for Nunnally is not sure whether is in the last recording session took place...
We're talking about the recent comments (7 september) from Ami on geass.net. Not about the magazine.

The infos in the mags are not that recent.

[ZeroSama]

i agree on that one
suzaku went from being kira yamato to being shinn asuka this season
only minus the first part of destiny when hes actually likeble

He was likable:confused:?

Kay i must've missed that part, probably to busy laughing at him emoing about everything.

[bladeofdarkness]

We're talking about the recent comments from Ami on geass.net. Not about the magazine.

The infos in the mags are not that recent.

did i miss something
was there anything else new other then the QNA thing that koshimizu poster yesterday ?

[Narona]

did i miss something
was there anything else new other then the QNA thing that koshimizu poster yesterday ?
Don't know. But the only comment about that on Geass.net is from Ami. So I guess he's talking about some infos from magazines.

[bladeofdarkness]

He was likable:confused:?

Kay i must've missed that part, probably to busy laughing at him emoing about everything.

i meant before the face heel turn when he decided to kill kira
he was kinda (KINDA) likeble before that

but this time around i cant remember a single fight that suzaku had where i was cheering him on rather then who ever he was fighting (even the EU mooks)
except the last one with the albion and even that started out as a cheer and ended with a WTF pick on someone your own size

[Witacume]

well now that i am thnking about it more seriously.
I am more incline to say that. Lelouch and Suzaku chances of living is higher than i expected.
Lets how many people have to die?
I. Lelouch, 2. Suzaku, 3. Nina, 4. C.C. hmmm
they all seem to be on one side.
I can see all of these people dying symbolic death's.
Fake death's seems like a high point.
Thus ending the imperial line.
i think at the end you see them all chilling in Australia secretly looking over the world.

[bladeofdarkness]

Don't know. But the only comment about that on Geass.net is from Ami. So I guess he's talking about some infos from magazines.

what Geass.net comment
what did she say ?

[ZeroSama]

i meant before the face heel turn when he decided to kill kira
he was kinda (KINDA) likeble before that

but this time around i cant remember a single fight that suzaku had where i was cheering him on rather then who ever he was fighting (even the EU mooks)
except the last one with the albion and even that started out as a cheer and ended with a WTF pick on someone your own size

One must always cheer for the underdogs.

[bladeofdarkness]

One must always cheer for the underdogs.

i was cheeing kallen on when she tore suzaku a new one with the SEITEN

[Tokkan]

what Geass.net comment
what did she say ?

They've finished recording. The show is done. It's the end.

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

One must always cheer for the underdogs.
So who's the underdog if both the Albion and S.E.I.T.E.N are on equal grounds

[Narona]

what Geass.net comment
what did she say ?


In Geass.net (cellphone site), Koshimizu Ami also said they've finished recording and episode 25 is the end.

Yep. That geass.net info was first mentioned on Sept 7th.

They = the staff, I think. She didn't say clearly if she is part of ep 25 or not. That's what I said to Koshimizu yesterday

[Fruit Punch Samurai]

i was cheeing kallen on when she tore suzaku a new one with the SEITEN
Considering she had to get an upgrade in order to do so, so its totally fair:rolleyes:

[Tokkan]

They = the staff, I think.

That's pretty presumptuous. Koshimizu said "they" from a second-hand perspective, which is proper. She can't say that Ami said "we've" finished recording, that implies a first-hand perspective. Which is impossible because Koshimizu is not Koshimizu Ami. It's second-hand, because Koshimizu is only passing on info from Ami reported on Geass.net.

[ZeroSama]

Considering she had to get an upgrade in order to do so, so its totally fair:rolleyes:


Same could be said for Suzaku when he fought Bismark and those other KoRs.

[Narona]

That's pretty presumptuous. Koshimizu said "they" from a second-hand perspective, which is proper. She can't say that Ami said "we've" finished recording, that implies a first-hand perspective. Which is impossible because Koshimizu is not Koshimizu Ami. It's second-hand, because Koshimizu is only passing on info from Ami reported on Geass.net.
Didn't think about that. We don't have the direct translation of ami's comment.

[dec4rhapsody]

-__________- I think so, but we could be wrong. Keep in mind that every VA knows when the last recording session took place.

That doesn't mean she was in. At least she didn't say that she was in or not.

So 90% sure, but not 100.

I dunno, if Amisuke is in Turn 25, the worst thing we could get is a flashback~-DA DON.

[Narona]

I dunno, if Amisuke is in in Turn 25, the worst thing we could get is a flashback~-DA DON.
I think she is part of 25, I just say that I am not 100% sure XD

But my opinion is that she is in.

[dec4rhapsody]

I think she is part of 25, I just say that I am not 100% sure XD

But my opinion is that she is in.

It's also possible that Kallen gets her bento (figurative, dies) in 24. And in Turn 25, there will be a certain someone, remembering her (along with all the dead) during the epilogue or somewhat...

[eaglei3]

What all came off of geass.net or whatever website? I seemed to miss the info on it.

[Narona]

It's also possible that Kallen gets her bento (figurative, dies) in 24. And in Turn 25, there will be a certain someone, remembering her (along with all the dead) during the epilogue or somewhat...
It could :heh: . But I don't think she will die.

(You should be the one to be optimistic about that XD...)

[Var]

What all came off of geass.net or whatever website? I seemed to miss the info on it.

That they'd finished recording for Ep.25. The season has been completed.

[Narona]

What all came off of geass.net or whatever website? I seemed to miss the info on it.


On Geass.net (cellphone site), =p

[Witacume]

you know what i been thinking?
how the hell i s CC going to die.
At this point i am seeing CC death flags very high but in the end how is she going to die?
How can she die.
The only possible way she can die is by taking the code away from her.
Aside from some Deus Ex Machina way of taking her out.
the only way that Can happen is Lelouch taking away her code.
Which to be quote honest i don't see that happening.
The geass lineage has to end as well.
GEass is too powerful.
Thus something has to give.
ANy one got any ideas?

[Tokkan]

I don't think there'll be any deaths among the main 4 until 25. Maybe some deaths of other major characters, like Xingke. But none of the main 4 will die before 25.

Edit: I think Fleija should kill C.C.. That or she gets similar treatment to Charles and Marianne after she gets her smile.

[eaglei3]

That they'd finished recording for Ep.25. The season has been completed.

Ah, ok. Just confirming what we figured would be happening sometime recently then.

[eaglei3]

you know what i been thinking?
how the hell i s CC going to die.
At this point i am seeing CC death flags very high but in the end how is she going to die?
How can she die.
The only possible way she can die is by taking the code away from her.
Aside from some Deus Ex Machina way of taking her out.
the only way that Can happen is Lelouch taking away her code.
Which to be quote honest i don't see that happening.
The geass lineage has to end as well.
GEass is too powerful.
Thus something has to give.
ANy one got any ideas?

I've always thought about this too. What I wonder, is we know it was one month after Lelouch killed Charles when he reappeared. Could they have possibly been doing something with the Sword of Akasha and World of C to prepare for this event?

[Narona]

ANy one got any ideas?
My idea, but many people don't like it, she will not die :p

That reminds me MGS4

When mostly everyone on some forums were sure that Snake will die.

[dec4rhapsody]

It could :heh: . But I don't think she will die.

(You should be the one to be optimistic about that XD...)

Reverse psychology -DA DON.

[Witacume]

I've always thought about this too. What I wonder, is we know it was one month after Lelouch killed Charles when he reappeared. Could they have possibly been doing something with the Sword of Akasha and World of C to prepare for this event?

i don't think so.
"Hey CC were rebuilding the sword of Akasha so we cna kill you at the end k?"
"K!"
I think they have other things on theier minds than CC.
You know like the worlds fate XD.
I already came up with my freya theory.
But it seems too late now for it to be true unless they explain that Schneizel has figure it all out.
but that's really stretching it.

@ Narona see the difference is that Geass is to evil.
It needs to be destroyed.
One can not leave up to chance that CC goes on her emo tirades and decides i want to die again.
and gives someone gess for that reason thus the circle continues.
The Circle must stop.
Thus something must give in

[Var]

I've always thought about this too. What I wonder, is we know it was one month after Lelouch killed Charles when he reappeared. Could they have possibly been doing something with the Sword of Akasha and World of C to prepare for this event?

The Sword was destroyed, it also took Charles years to build his Sword in the first place. I'm still of the impression that she's on borrowed time but then, I just hate C.C. apperantely. :uhoh:

[dec4rhapsody]

It's more likely that F.L.E.I.A is able to split C.C. into pieces...
which means....
years to accumulate(?)

Sou nano ka?

[Narona]

@ Narona see the difference is that Geass is to evil.
It needs to be destroyed.
One can not leave up to chance that CC goes on her emo tirades and decides i want to die again.
and gives someone gess for that reason thus the circle continues.
The Circle must stop.
Thus something must give in

If the writers think like that "in the end", yes, but still, people are talking like it was a fact, that she will die.

And if she doesn't die, what will you say? bad writing because it doesn't fit what you want?

[Lolipopo]

The new guren VS the old lancelot was not a fair fight at all.

Well, in Turn 18, I agree; But we mustn't forget Turn 6, Kallen gets an upgrade which permit her to reach (and maybe a little more) Lancelot level, which possessed already since a while, a wing pack, for example.

So, hard to tell who is the better, and I think we'll never know since I think Damocles will interrupt them (eh, Kallen is in the fight, people mustn't forget that she has on her head, the curse of interruption)

About the geass thing...errh I don't think, no -_-
Kallen has already her ace/romance plot, and I don't really see the point to give her a geass, so I don't see that happen, someone must stay away from the geass, and Kallen is good to be this person, this will be maybe what will make the difference. (But maybe Blade was hoping this to see Kallen and CC naked together in the brain world ? :p)

[Narona]

It's more likely that F.L.E.I.A is able to split C.C. into pieces...
which means....
years to accumulate(?)

Sou nano ka?
I can see an ending when everyone think that C.C. died, killed by freya. Then in the epilogue, C.C.'s shadow appears or something :p (but no one from the main other characters will know that she is alive)

[eaglei3]

It's more likely that F.L.E.I.A is able to split C.C. into pieces...
which means....
years to accumulate(?)

Sou nano ka?

That would be one terrible ending for her if everyone thinks she is dead from that just for after the credits it shows her alone again from her bodily finally reforming back together.

[KrimzonStriker]

How the fuck have i hated on Suzaku? Check my posts in the Suzaku thread before you post crap.

I liked him in Season 1 and have disliked him in R2 because of his change in personality, which i would like to see any Suzaku fan justify as a change for the better.

Pfft, oh please, his white knight routine and overly righteous tones made me puke back in Season 1. I myself am quite fond of his new changes because for one I always suspected that was his true personality and two he lost that damn naivety finally that from my perspective did him absolutely no good in the end. Now, I think he's managed to find the balance between the two after joining with Lelouch, pursuing the progressive and idealistic course but not letting himself be deluded on the reality of the situation anymore. In this case I think that with Lelouch they will both actually achieve the goal, for like in their child hood banters there was nothing they couldn't do if they were together ;)

[dec4rhapsody]

I can see an ending when everyone think that C.C. died, killed by freya. Then in the epilogue, C.C.'s shadow appears or something :p (but no one from the main other characters will know that she is alive)

That would be one terrible ending for her if everyone thinks she is dead from that just for after the credits it shows her alone again from her bodily finally reforming back together.

I LOLed so hard at this...
Yet I'd not enjoy this kind of resolution for our female lead.

IMO, either it's her dying with a smile, or becoming mortal with all that happily ever after stuff.

[Var]

And if she doesn't die, what will you say? bad writing because it doesn't fit what you want?

No. Depends on how she does not die. If she doesn't die in some bullshit out-of-the-ass manner then I have no problems with it. However, given what the show has presented, there is no 'I'm alive but mortal' method (this does not include CChi returning). What we've been presented is: alive but immortal, or dead.

V.V. loses his code: V.V.-proper dies when his memories seemingly reset, the child that is left dies of his wounds.
C.C. (Nun) loses her code: All we see is her being dead, likely killed by C.C..
C.C. seals her code: C.C.-dominatrix 'dies' for five episodes.

It is meant to be a curse, afterall, not a 'wait X years to achieve happiness' IOU.

[Narona]

I LOLed so hard at this...
Yet I'd not enjoy this kind of resolution for our female lead.

IMO, either it's her dying with a smile, or becoming mortal with all that happily ever after stuff.
Actually, Lelouch promised her to make her smile, not to make her smile while dying. There is a difference.

Well, it was just a speculation from me, I don't really know what will happen, but it's a possibility.

[Witacume]

If the writers think like that "in the end", yes, but still, people are talking like it was a fact, that she will die.

And if she doesn't die, what will you say? bad writing because it doesn't fit what you want?

where do you see that i say she has to die?
I keep on saying something has to give in.
I am trying to find explanation.
Can CC live on yes. Is that likely? I am 50 50 at this point.
because no explanation has been given to us on how to get rid of the code.
I am more afraid of a Deus EX machina way of kicking her out more than anything.
Because that would bad story writing
and I say well why didn't you do that in the first place!
CC herself is not evil incarnated but she is the giver of evil.
Thus following the language used in geass she is a devil.
Now how Can CC live on she can just live on as overlooker.
That worked well didn't it :uhoh:
Though i definitely see CC dying in one way or another.
Just like i see suzaku and Lelouch dying.
They will either die literally or Symbolic deaths.

[Narona]

No. Depends on how she does not die. If she doesn't die in some bullshit out-of-the-ass manner then I have no problems with it. However, given what the show has presented, there is no 'I'm alive but mortal' method (this does not include CChi returning). What we've been presented is: alive but immortal, or dead.

V.V. loses his code: V.V.-proper dies when his memories seemingly reset, the child that is left dies of his wounds.
C.C. (Nun) loses her code: All we see is her being dead, likely killed by C.C..
C.C. seals her code: C.C.-dominatrix 'dies' for five episodes.

It is meant to be a curse, afterall, not a 'wait X years to achieve happiness' IOU.
I'm not ok about the code/memory suff. I will not say anything else. Don't want to be part of that debate for 10 pages again.

[bran]

I can see an ending when everyone think that C.C. died, killed by freya. Then in the epilogue, C.C.'s shadow appears or something :p (but no one from the main other characters will know that she is alive)

yeah and since her horns were broken lucy died and only nyu's consciousness remained... oh wait..:uhoh:

[Baixinho]

I can see an ending when everyone think that C.C. died, killed by freya. Then in the epilogue, C.C.'s shadow appears or something :p (but no one from the main other characters will know that she is alive)

That would be a sad ending for her, being immortal and alone again :(

If she has to keep her Code, I'd prefer her to be with an immortal Lelouch or else in about 70 years she will get back to her lonely, loveless eternal life.
A happy ending for her would be to either die with a smile, or live without her code and memory.

[Var]

I'm not ok about the code/memory suff. I will not say anything else. Don't want to be part of that debate for 10 pages again.

I don't understand, that is what has been presented. If the Code can be passed without loss then the Nun had no reason to die. V.V. wouldn't have been rambling in perfect queue with the flashbacks we were shown before they acquired Geass, and C.C. sealing her code wouldn't lead to her memories just randomly reseting.

Maybe they just threw in the CChi thing as a loop hole to keep C.C. in the story after Ep.15 until she had a role in the plot, but that's just wasted oppurtunity for actual development of her character.

[Narona]

where do you see that i say she has to die?
I keep on saying something has to give in.
I am trying to find explanation.
Can CC live on yes. Is that likely? I am 50 50 at this point.
because no explanation has been given to us on how to get rid of the code.
I am more afraid of a Deus EX machina way of kicking her out more than anything.
Because that would bad story writing
and I say well why didn't you do that in the first place!
CC herself is not evil incarnated but she is the giver of evil.
Thus following the language used in geass she is a devil.
Now how Can CC live on she can just live on as overlooker.
That worked well didn't it :uhoh:
Though i definitely see CC dying in one way or another.
Just like i see suzaku and Lelouch dying.
They will either die literally or Symbolic deaths.
50 50 ? Realisticaly, 90% that she will die imo.

I'm not ok about the bad story stuff. Some people will hate hate it, but some other will like it. But whatever, don't want to be part of that debate again.

I'm not even sure that the geass will disappear in the end. The last arc is about schneizel, not about destroying the geass. So I'm not even sure about that.

And personaly, geass or not in the end, I don't really care, but that's just me

[dec4rhapsody]

That would be a sad ending for her, being immortal and alone again :(

If she has to keep her Code, I'd prefer her to be with an immortal Lelouch or else in about 70 years she will get back to her lonely, loveless eternal life.
A happy ending for her would be to either die with a smile, or live without her code and memory.

Really, Lelouch should better be dying before 30, I don't want to see/imagine him turning into chicken rolls/omelettes....
And I am serious about that.

DON

[Narona]

That would be a sad ending for her, being immortal and alone again :(

If she has to keep her Code, I'd prefer her to be with an immortal Lelouch or else in about 70 years she will get back to her lonely, loveless eternal life.
A happy ending for her would be to either die with a smile, or live without her code and memory.
Immortal lelouch? I often said that it was possible (je donne un avis sur quelque chose, ça ne veut pas dire que j'aime ou non), but personaly, I hope not.

[demon_god04]

where do you see that i say she has to die?
I keep on saying something has to give in.
I am trying to find explanation.
Can CC live on yes. Is that likely? I am 50 50 at this point.
because no explanation has been given to us on how to get rid of the code.
I am more afraid of a Deus EX machina way of kicking her out more than anything.
Because that would bad story writing
and I say well why didn't you do that in the first place!
CC herself is not evil incarnated but she is the giver of evil.
Thus following the language used in geass she is a devil.
Now how Can CC live on she can just live on as overlooker.
That worked well didn't it :uhoh:
Though i definitely see CC dying in one way or another.
Just like i see suzaku and Lelouch dying.
They will either die literally or Symbolic deaths.

I'd hazard a guess that the sword of Akasha is capable of it, although Lelouch destroyed it. Really since C.C survived I do not see how we can get rid of her code right now, except maybe killing her with Fleija, assuming that it can affect immortals.

Except that as long as her code remains, so does the "curse" regardless of whether she intends to give another geass again or not. She may succumb to the despair of loneliness such a life would mean and wish for death again sometime down the road.

[Narona]

Really, Lelouch should better be dying before 30, I don't want to see/imagine him turning into chicken rolls....
And I am serious about that.

DON
You don't want to see his hair curling :heh:

[Baixinho]

Immortal lelouch? I often said that it was possible (je donne un avis sur quelque chose, ça ne veut pas dire que j'aime ou non), but personaly, I hope not.

Yes, I wouldn't like it either and I think they will give her a happy ending. That's why I don't think an ending with CC keeping her code is very likely.

[Witacume]

I don't understand, that is what has been presented. If the Code can be passed without loss then the Nun had no reason to die. V.V. wouldn't have been rambling in perfect queue with the flashbacks we were shown before they acquired Geass, and C.C. sealing her code wouldn't lead to her memories just randomly reseting.

Maybe they just threw in the CChi thing as a loop hole to keep C.C. in the story after Ep.15 until she had a role in the plot, but that's just wasted oppurtunity for actual development of her character.

Which really is stupid.
was there really a need for Chi.Chi?
why couldn't she just stayed like CC as she is now.
and actually developed some more instead of just having 15 unless they meant for the story to go a different direction.
then still i don't like Chichi.

I am just hoping for some good explanation at the end rather than some some dues ex machina ending.

[Var]

Except that as long as her code remains, so does the "curse" regardless of whether she intends to give another geass again or not. She may succumb to the despair of loneliness such a life would mean and wish for death again sometime down the road.

In theory, even if she had an immortal by her side, the curse would remain. Love is always said to be eternal, and yet in all presentations of it in mythology, the moment you make people eternal, love becomes a trifling matter.

A Lelouch and C.C. immortal end, therein, makes little to no sense to me. :heh:
Which really is stupid.
was there really a need for Chi.Chi?
why couldn't she just stayed like CC as she is now.
and actually developed some more instead of just having 15 unless they meant for the story to go a different direction.
then still i don't like Chichi.

I am just hoping for some good explanation at the end rather than some some dues ex machina ending.

The CChi ploy is a method of simply writing off a character temporarily while mainting them in the plot as something that can/will return. That much is evidant. In the end, though, CChi will likely just have been a paperweight used to keep C.C. in the plot for a few episodes without actually making any plot contributions or character advancements.

[demon_god04]

I don't understand, that is what has been presented. If the Code can be passed without loss then the Nun had no reason to die. V.V. wouldn't have been rambling in perfect queue with the flashbacks we were shown before they acquired Geass, and C.C. sealing her code wouldn't lead to her memories just randomly reseting.

Maybe they just threw in the CChi thing as a loop hole to keep C.C. in the story after Ep.15 until she had a role in the plot, but that's just wasted oppurtunity for actual development of her character.

I an fully expecting rabid fans for jumping me when I say this but what role.... She basically just acted as a transporter or something for Marianne and Suzaku. I'd say they kept her in the story to avoid lynching by the fans or something. Not that I am opposed to her remaining if they actually utilized her character instead of butchering it. C.C this entire season was just wasted opportunity and underdeveloped.

[Witacume]

I'd hazard a guess that the sword of Akasha is capable of it, although Lelouch destroyed it. Really since C.C survived I do not see how we can get rid of her code right now, except maybe killing her with Fleija, assuming that it can affect immortals.

Except that as long as her code remains, so does the "curse" regardless of whether she intends to give another geass again or not. She may succumb to the despair of loneliness such a life would mean and wish for death again sometime down the road.

the sword of Akasha is no longer a good solution imo.
But i agree with your second part Geass needs to end. it is to dangerous of a power for humanity to have.

[dec4rhapsody]

Ever since Turn 15 my perfect picture for C.Chi was:

C.Chi stayed as C.Chi. and won Ruruko-himesama's love (How cheesy...)
C.Chi turned back into C.C.-jyoohsama and died at last, with both her wishes fulfilled.


I didn't expect C.C. retrieving her memories so soon....DON

[Narona]

Yes, I wouldn't like it either and I think they will give her a happy ending. That's why I don't think an ending with CC keeping her code is very likely.
Yeah, but there are many possibilities and it's one of them. It's up to Okouhi to choose. Sometimes the writers don't choose what will please the most people, or what pleases a part of the fans. I don't think that Okouchi cares about some fandoms who will possibly whine about the ending if they are not pleased. He writes the story he wants, with Taniguchi.

[linkinstreet]

Actually, Lelouch promised her to make her smile, not to make her smile while dying. There is a difference.

Well, it was just a speculation from me, I don't really know what will happen, but it's a possibility.IIRC, he said if she wanted to die, she should do it while smiling or something. My jap is rusty now, but that's how I remember the line

[KrimzonStriker]

I thought the purpose of Moe!C.C was too display a more humane side to her personality, give us a bit leeway in terms of how we regarded her character beforehand, that once upon a time she was a little girl trying to find her place in life much like many of us were. Also, it was a good way to display her importance as she usually was as well, being Lelouch's counsel and guide, someone he had become quite dependent on and perhaps even attached too up to that point :)

[Var]

IIRC, he said if she wanted to die, she should do it while smiling or something. My jap is rusty now, but that's how I remember the line

He never promised to make her smile, at the very least.

I thought the purpose of Moe!C.C was too display a more humane side to her personality, give us a bit leeway in terms of how we regarded her character beforehand, that once upon a time she was a little girl trying to find her place in life much like many of us were. Also, it was a good way to display her importance as she usually was as well, being Lelouch's counsel and guide, someone he had become quite dependent on and perhaps even attached too up to that point :)

Illogical. It was not the same character. They were completely different people.

[demon_god04]

In theory, even if she had an immortal by her side, the curse would remain. Love is always said to be eternal, and yet in all presentations of it in mythology, the moment you make people eternal, love becomes a trifling matter.

A Lelouch and C.C. immortal end, therein, makes little to no sense to me. :heh:

A popular symbol in Myth is the desire to conquer death and it's subsequent failure. In many cultures, death is not something to be conquered and in fact more then one has creation myths where things are fated to end since creation. Norse myth is likely the most famous of these.

Back to love and eternity though, I believe it is because you realise your own mortality that you cherish the things and people you have in your life to the extent of having the emotion of love. Because you never know when your time together will end and acknowledging that makes the feelings stronger.