[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 324 Discussion

[Zu Ra]

♦ The Claws ♦




* Continues from the last chapter, a headless body of Arivama fell on the floor. Kira sealed back his zanpakutou and said, “Farewell, a sky warrior. And I don’t want you to forgive me.”


* The scene changes to Shuuhei who was looking exhausted. Findor taunted him if that’s all a lieutenant could do. Shuuhei hit back if Findor wanted to say he is not strong as of a lieutenant level.


* “Exacta! As I expected from a lieutenant! If I’m not mistaken then that’s exactly what I mean!”. “Don’t call me lieutenant! I told you my name is Hisagi Shuuhei.” Then Findor mockingly apologized to Hisagi for being rude (since only Hisagi has introduced himself) then introduced himself as Barrrangan’s fraccion, Findor Garious. The he said the release command, “Crave the water’s surface.”


* Fendor released form still looked like human only his right part is covered by shield. His right arm has turned in a big crab’s claw as tall him while the left arm looked the same as the right one except only smaller. Findor called it PinsaGuda while Shuuhei just calmly looking at him and said, “So this is Arrancar’s resurreccion (the release).” Findor complimented that Shuuhei has done some research.


* “If you think only you arrancars has done some research on us then you’re mistaken.” Said Shuuhei. “I never think so.” Smile Findor.Then Findor disappeared so did Shuuhei, that same moment where Shuuhei was standing was cut into two pieces. Findor complimented him for be able to follow sonido’s speed. So Shuuhei snapped back at him for keep saying ‘exacta’.


* “To live is a never-ending hard work. Only those with most correct answers will survive. So no matter who is it would have wanted to gain most correct answers, isn’t that so? So you’d be the one who give the correct answer?” Then Shuuhei used his left hand to pick out the ornamental chain from his right arm and threw it to Findor. It exploded and he used the moment Firdor still confused to use Hadou #62 Heapporunkan and so many small lighted-pipes attacked Findor and locked him against the wall.


* While Shuuhei was coming to finish him off, Findor pointed his right claw and the stream of water came out. Shuuhei managed to dodge but he then saw how it actually able to cut the steel tank. Shuuhei was stunned but then Findor used this chance to attack more. Just when Shuuhei is about to get hit, he released his shikai, “Harvest, Kazeshini.”

NOTES : The kidou Shuuhei used in this chapter is the one he used in the Diamond Dust Rebellion movie (he used it against Histsugaya). The one that people used to argued it was his shikai.His shikai is too hard to describe but it is a double weapons that connected by the chain.




Credits : Annie / Mori / SpaceCat

[Phenomenal]

Wow Bleach came out earlier than expected.
Hey, So the guy with the 69 tattoo is throwing down huh?

[Zu Ra]

Yeah it did we were getting late spoilers but this week it came on time . I miss the good ole days when spoilers used to come out Tuesdays with a teaser pic .

Nothing is revealed in the summary except Hisagi's release . Most of the later part of summary is describing Hisagi zanapkuto . Also this proves once and for all that the movie version is not his release

[Scep]

oh, cool, we see his weapon. *shrug* Wake me up when september ends.... that song kinda suits my mood now.

[WONDERMIKE]

Also this proves once and for all that the movie version is not his release

I'm relieved :) the staff-thing doesn't even compare to his real shikais description :cool: wuxia style ftw :D

[Satsuki Yuuhi Ramius]

Oh yeah this chapter is Hisagi Fight

[Endrance]

I really like the sound of this zanpakuto better than the movie versions..This one seems more hardcore to fit with Hisagi better than a freaking staff

[Zu Ra]

oh, cool, we see his weapon. *shrug* Wake me up when september ends.... that song kinda suits my mood now.

A better song to sum up the situation would be Gone Till november by Wyclef Jean DX

[Thewanderer]

Any explanation over this movie version zanpakuto of Hisagi's? Is it really a parallel Shikai? Someone a while ago said that it was some sort of kido spell... what's the story there?

[Zu Ra]

Its most likely a kido spell, from small teaser that we have it was described as 'related to sickle linked via chains ' . We are not exactly clear on the shape but it quite diffrent from the movie .


Spacecat

よくみたら風死は刃二つの鎌みたいなのが二つ鎖で繋がってる武器だった

Death Wind seems to have a chain linking the sickle style weapons.

[kagato3]

Odd, wasn't it commented by the old man that Shunsui and Ukitake the only ones in SS that thier weapons are in pairs?

[Hari Michiru]

FINALLY. We get to see Hisagi's shikai :D

[Phenomenal]

I hope the fight ends soon.

[Endrance]

the other peoples fights i could care less about but i want hisagi's to last

[Aquaman OS]

At least now in the fillers Hisagi can finally release instead on being the only guy who just fails an unreleased sword around. Even Iba can release even if he always has to do it off screen.

[Hitsugaya_Toushiro]

cool! Hisagi with a sort of Kusarigama!!!!! :p:p:p

and it will surely be in the next bleach hts (6) game for PSP :heh:

[Casshern]

Odd, wasn't it commented by the old man that Shunsui and Ukitake the only ones in SS that thier weapons are in pairs?

Hisagi's shikai might be similar to Ikkaku's from what I understand.

[Hitsugaya_Toushiro]

Hisagi's shikai might be similar to Ikkaku's from what I understand.

no....Hisagi's shikai is simply a modified Kusarigama......2 sickes instead of classic sickle+iron weight

it's the same exact weapon as Axl Low of Guilty Gears series:

http://www.geocities.com/gear_justice/axlrar1.gif

[Defiance]

Any scans of Hisagi's shikai ?

[Prestige]

Shit I hate these fan-service chapters :frustrated:.

But this is just me I guess VC fans are excited...

[Zu Ra]

♦ The Claws ♦




* Continues from the last chapter, a headless body of Arivama fell on the floor. Kira sealed back his zanpakutou and said, “Farewell, a sky warrior. And I don’t want you to forgive me.”


* The scene changes to Shuuhei who was looking exhausted. Findor taunted him if that’s all a lieutenant could do. Shuuhei hit back if Findor wanted to say he is not strong as of a lieutenant level.


* “Exacta! As I expected from a lieutenant! If I’m not mistaken then that’s exactly what I mean!”. “Don’t call me lieutenant! I told you my name is Hisagi Shuuhei.” Then Findor mockingly apologized to Hisagi for being rude (since only Hisagi has introduced himself) then introduced himself as Barrrangan’s fraccion, Findor Garious. The he said the release command, “Crave the water’s surface.”


* Fendor released form still looked like human only his right part is covered by shield. His right arm has turned in a big crab’s claw as tall him while the left arm looked the same as the right one except only smaller. Findor called it PinsaGuda while Shuuhei just calmly looking at him and said, “So this is Arrancar’s resurreccion (the release).” Findor complimented that Shuuhei has done some research.


* “If you think only you arrancars has done some research on us then you’re mistaken.” Said Shuuhei. “I never think so.” Smile Findor.Then Findor disappeared so did Shuuhei, that same moment where Shuuhei was standing was cut into two pieces. Findor complimented him for be able to follow sonido’s speed. So Shuuhei snapped back at him for keep saying ‘exacta’.


* “To live is a never-ending hard work. Only those with most correct answers will survive. So no matter who is it would have wanted to gain most correct answers, isn’t that so? So you’d be the one who give the correct answer?” Then Shuuhei used his left hand to pick out the ornamental chain from his right arm and threw it to Findor. It exploded and he used the moment Firdor still confused to use Hadou #62 Heapporunkan and so many small lighted-pipes attacked Findor and locked him against the wall.


* While Shuuhei was coming to finish him off, Findor pointed his right claw and the stream of water came out. Shuuhei managed to dodge but he then saw how it actually able to cut the steel tank. Shuuhei was stunned but then Findor used this chance to attack more. Just when Shuuhei is about to get hit, he released his shikai, “Harvest, Kazeshini.”

NOTES : The kidou Shuuhei used in this chapter is the one he used in the Diamond Dust Rebellion movie (he used it against Histsugaya). The one that people used to argued it was his shikai.His shikai is too hard to describe but it is a double weapons that connected by the chain.



Credits : Annie

[Captain Yoruichi]

So, Kira really did cut off that guy's head? That's pretty awesome.

[holypanl]

So, Kira really did cut off that guy's head? That's pretty awesome.

He did? That's like, SOOOOOOOOOO hardcore!!!

KIRA OWNS!!!

[Goshin]

yay the guy guy did get beheaded, i like how quick these battles are going but it makes me feel kinda bad for the bad guys, but knowing aizen all of this will propably have been a whole diversion, and blah blah blah

[Scep]

Funny, now the yaoi fanartists are going to change the role of kira from a uke to a seme :3 (or the other way round, i swear i don't know xD)

So hisagi's fight will be over half time into the next chapter... and ikkaku's fight will stat again. Ikkaku... somehow i get the feeling he won't release his bankai at all, but then again kubo hasn't been making much attempt to make plot twists, so... lets see.

[Zu Ra]

Funny, now the yaoi fanartists are going to change the role of kira from a uke to a seme :3 (or the other way round, i swear i don't know xD) Its interesting when both erm, ****** (censored word) do the same character fighting, and one character manages to become awesome in 19 pages, and the other character is still awful. Oh well, IMO anyway. :uhoh:

True Kira's 'manly' homicidal transformation was due to the fact , Arivama made fun of Gin leaving Kira . Love hurts [ ♥ ] :heh: .So we can safely conclude Kira's Uke ------> Seme transfomation is like Bruce Banner and Hulk .

EDIT : Just remembered Kira going homocidal isnt new, he has done that before in SS . Remember Momo bad mouthing Gin : )

[Slayerx]

yay the guy guy did get beheaded, i like how quick these battles are going but it makes me feel kinda bad for the bad guys, but knowing aizen all of this will propably have been a whole diversion, and blah blah blah

I am really, really, REALLY hoping that it doesn't end up as; "*shock* the vizards arrived and they are on Aizen's side!"... cause seriously, putting aside my feelings for the vizards, Azien's flawless Xanatose roulettes are getting on my nerves... Even Xanatose didn't have flawless of success with his evil plans

[Fran~]

That's kira for you!!... nice to see a character like him, low profile, underrated but he CAN do the job...

But, im so tired about these fights... they're worst than the fillers!!!...

the outcomes are so predictible, Shinigamis will win...

I want to see ichigo vs. ulquiorra's fight.

[Casshern]

Remember Momo bad mouthing Gin : )Except it was more like Momo trying to stab Gin in the throat than badmouthing him and Kira jumped in partly out duty and partly so Momo wouldn't get insta-killed :p
Still, Kira did look a bit badass in that scene (and total wus during Gin vs Hitsugaya :heh:)

[The Small One]

So, Kira really did cut off that guy's head? That's pretty awesome.

Why?
Didn't Rukia explain to Ichigo in the beginning, that a Shinigami should always aim for the hollow's head?
So he just made it straight out of the textbook.

[Defiance]

http://img46.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000076682/19.jpg

[Scep]

o_O


oo........ nice find.

edit: oh. It's out -_-

ps: though.... you're not supposed to post whole manga pages though.

[Konpachi]

i think, its looks like crap (well ok, not crap, but not great) and Kubo has made a mistake. I'm pretty sure you can consider that as a double zan. However, only 2 double zans was said to exist, Kyoraku's and Ukitake's. Kazeshini is obviously not Shunsui's or Jyuushiro's zanpaktou.

[Scep]

Interesting, the bands he wears on his arms are explosives. Kazeshini can be said to not be a double zanpakuto because of the chain. A little stretching it, but he hasn't made a plothole in this sense. I think it dosen't look particularly awesome, but then again, ill give kubo a break, its not like shuuhei is a main character or anything. Now if he gives ULQUIORRA a crappy release, i'm nuking SJ.

*don't quote me on that.

[Captain Yoruichi]

Why?
Didn't Rukia explain to Ichigo in the beginning, that a Shinigami should always aim for the hollow's head?
So he just made it straight out of the textbook.

Yeah I remember that. But a lot of people were doubting that Kira would actually kill him. So, it's awesome to see that Kira can kill without hesitation. He talks the talk and walks the walk. :)

I like Hisagi's zanpakuto. I guess if you want to get technical you could almost say that Shunsui's is the only true two sword zan though, since Ukitake's and Hisagi's both connect to each other by some sort of chain.

[WONDERMIKE]

who else thinks Findor's the most annoying of Barragan's fraccion? Exacta my *** :rolleyes: Mr-Krabs-release-design is also meh :uhoh:


I like Hisagi's zanpakuto. I guess if you want to get technical you could almost say that Shunsui's is the only true two sword zan though, since Ukitake's and Hisagi's both connect to each other by some sort of chain.

+ Shunsui's still a sword pair when sealed :p -> winner in terms of keepin it real

[Scep]

since Ukitake's and Hisagi's both connect to each other by some sort of chain.

Oh yeah good point. I know why! -- Yama-jii is a senile old freak, so he remembered the wrong thing :heh::heh:

[Casshern]

Not bad but nothing special tbh... Renji still has the best looking shikai imo.

[Ryuuken]

maybe Yamamoto didn't knew Hisagi's release yet ? =D

[Scep]

Not to turn this into a zanpakuto discussion thread, but i agree that renji's shikai was good, albeit not original. I think the best looking shikai is byakuya's, not only because of its originality, but because of how pretty it is (gotta give props to the anime team for this bit of artitic liberty, it turned out very well). Hitsugaya gets the most impressive shikai tho imo. Hisagi's dosent get any awards =S Unless its effect is very good (which i doubt so, personally)

[HayashiTakara]

hrm.. nothing special, but its nice to see Hisagi's zanpaktou finally released though. I've always been curious as to what its like. Its pretty cool, I like the design.

[Hitsugaya_Toushiro]

as imaginated, it's a double kusarigama like Axl Low.....but with bigger kamas with double reverse blades....LOL :D

[Yoko Takeo]

I wonder what kind of power it'll show. But I think I preferred Kensei's Zanpakuto better as it was more simple in design.

[Goshin]

it'll probably have wind powers,

[Ryuuken]

I wonder what kind of power it'll show. But I think I preferred Kensei's Zanpakuto better as it was more simple in design.

Kensei's Zanpaktou doesn't change shape when released... it's one of the motion type releases like Tousen's
so there is no other form, only a motion, an explosion sort of thing =o

[iamthatguy]

Kensei's Zanpaktou doesn't change shape when released... it's one of the motion type releases like Tousen's
so there is no other form, only a motion, an explosion sort of thing =o

Doesn't it turns into a pocket knife when he was fighting of Hollow Ichigo?

[Casshern]

it'll probably have wind powers,

Pray they don't start spinning like pin-wheels :uhoh:

[Langus]

The only cool thing about that chapter was bird guy's head getting cut off... More of that please :)

[Scep]

Actually my friend told me something pretty interesting today (don't blame me for being slow :heh:). Chapter 322 page 2, with coolhorn in his underwear after being defeated... There's something i don't know if you guys realized....


the position of his hollow hole? :eyebrow:

[Langus]

You wanna elaborate? Because I just don't see it...

[EfrainMan]

I think he means the lack of any hollow hole anywhere on his visible body...with the only parts hidden by clothes being the under the speedo...*shudder*

[X207]

sweet, so kira does have the guts to slit an enemie''s throat :D. one more kill and then we can get back to the other fraccion and espada that tagged along.

[Zu Ra]

Regarding twin swords thing most like Yamaji is wrong . But there could be a small possibility each of the zanpakutos may have separate powers ( resp. Uki Shun) More so in the case of Kyo as he had two zanpakutos to begin with .

[lequory]

Odd, wasn't it commented by the old man that Shunsui and Ukitake the only ones in SS that thier weapons are in pairs?

This is exactly what I came in here to say. Kubo has forgotten about Shunsui and Ukitake being the only ones with double weapons. Shame on you.

[Langus]

Well, in his defense Shunsui and Ukitake have two separate swords each. They aren't joined by anything. Hisagi's sickles if you wanna call them that are joined by a chain, thus technically they aren't a pair of swords, they are one joined weapon.

[Endrance]

isnt ukitakes zanpakuto joined by a chord with those tassel things on it

[Scep]

Well, in his defense Shunsui and Ukitake have two separate swords each. They aren't joined by anything. Hisagi's sickles if you wanna call them that are joined by a chain, thus technically they aren't a pair of swords, they are one joined weapon.

Nope, thats what i thought originally as well, but if you check the chapter, ukitake's shikai is shown that it is joined by a string with some strange talismans on it.

Now the only defence for yamomoto remaining is one that i read in another forum. Apparently what yama said specifically mentioned 'swords'. Well in that case, maybe he's still right. But whatever, i prefer to think he's a senile old freak :heh:

edit: Ah, late XD

[Endrance]

When i looked back ukitake doesnt have two zanpakuto's before his shikai its originally just one like hisagi's then splits into two

[Lelite]

(I told myself I'd come back after Grimmjow shows up again (...Rules of shounen series says he will). Well then, here goes nothing).

I don't think Kubo's forgotten. Ukitake and Shunsui ARE the only ones with double swords - because they've got two clearly distinct swords - maybe connected by some chain-thing, but two weapons that are meant to be separate, and might even have varying abilities.

Shuuhei's weapon is MEANT to be a weapon with two sharp and pointy pieces. And they're probably supposed to be used in unison.

I'm also somewhat questioning people's complaints about "originality" of the weapon. Firstly, how many weapons did Kubo design/is designing? A lot. At one point, one's imaginations runs somewhat thin. And with the exception of a few, Bleach was never one for original/cool-looking weapons. The main character wields an over-sized kitchen knife wrapped in gauze, for god's sake. How cool is that? (Not to mention that other fuku that runs around with a down-sized version of Renji's shikai). I think Hisagi's weapon is one of the better ones, personally. Although we'll wait and see it's actual abilities.

I'm looking forward to the next chapter, actually. It sets a stage for the vaizard to come in (the whole Kensei-Shuuhei thing). Not to mention I've got a small aversion for the man with the 69 tattoo on his face. :uhoh:

[Scep]

I'm looking forward to the next chapter, actually. It sets a stage for the vaizard to come in (the whole Kensei-Shuuhei thing). Not to mention I've got a small aversion for the man with the 69 tattoo on his face. :uhoh:

Personally, i hope not. Don't enter the vaizards in such a minor fight :uhoh: Give them some epic entrance, like saving the captains and all that.

[Lelite]

Personally, i hope not. Don't enter the vaizards in such a minor fight :uhoh: Give them some epic entrance, like saving the captains and all that.

Sure, whatever. As long as it stays in phony K-town, I'm good.

After all these months in HM, I'm kinda tired of it.

Although I don't see why they'd come in all at once. Kensei's fine to fly in on his own. But, whatever, grand entrance or not... I want to see Shuuhei's fight, and then the Vaizard's as well, since we know practically nothing about their fighting capabilites and it should prove to be interesting.

Not too excited about seeing anyone else's fight, though.

[Zu Ra]

Kubo has been wrong before so this wont be the first time . But it does raise a few eyebrows as Kt went to highlight the uniqueness of those two zanapkutos . If we are going to give KT the benefit of doubt, Uki swords are connected via ribbon that quite ornamental . The reason the ribbon exists is for talismans . While Shuhei's sword is connected via chain more so like Ikkaku's shikai

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/534/bleachch15612ib6.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleachch15612ib6.jpg)

[HiroInazuma]

I think the uniqueness might be that the Uki and Shunsui have 2 zanpakuto spirits instead of 1 and Hisagi might just have the one maybe he can attach them together and use them as a double bladed lance

[squaresphere]

Hmm wind powers for Hisagi's shikai? Then it should have been a war fan :P Seems like Hisagi's like Ikakku in that he's only use the minimum power necessary to beat an opponent.

[Captain Yoruichi]

Now the only defence for yamomoto remaining is one that i read in another forum. Apparently what yama said specifically mentioned 'swords'. Well in that case, maybe he's still right.

That could be the answer.

The next chapter should be awesome. ^_^

[Thewanderer]

It could function as a form of nunchuck, but one slip would chop off a limb...

[WONDERMIKE]

Kubo did nothing wrong, Yamamoto said they are the only double sword zanpaktous in ss, and they still remain the only ones as Hisagi doesn't have a sword.

[Black-Cat-Sama]

Interesting, the bands he wears on his arms are explosives. Kazeshini can be said to not be a double zanpakuto because of the chain. A little stretching it, but he hasn't made a plothole in this sense. I think it dosen't look particularly awesome, but then again, ill give kubo a break, its not like shuuhei is a main character or anything. Now if he gives ULQUIORRA a crappy release, i'm nuking SJ.

*don't quote me on that.

then Ukitake's wudnt count asd a double one, considering that he has that rope with the talismans on it connected his swords.

[Black-Cat-Sama]

Sure, whatever. As long as it stays in phony K-town, I'm good.

After all these months in HM, I'm kinda tired of it.

Although I don't see why they'd come in all at once. Kensei's fine to fly in on his own. But, whatever, grand entrance or not... I want to see Shuuhei's fight, and then the Vaizard's as well, since we know practically nothing about their fighting capabilites and it should prove to be interesting.

Not too excited about seeing anyone else's fight, though.

ive always had the imagicination that the 3 espada will beat the hell outta all the captains and just as they are about to be killed, the vizards show up and then Yamamto is like.. Hiraki Shinji.. you! and then Shinji kicks him in the gut or something and all vizards turn around and look dwon at the captains with their hollow masks. though anything is now predictable in manga, that'd be the most crazy thing ever.

[Ryuuken]

ive always had the imagicination that the 3 espada will beat the hell outta all the captains and just as they are about to be killed, the vizards show up and then Yamamto is like.. Hiraki Shinji.. you! and then Shinji kicks him in the gut or something and all vizards turn around and look dwon at the captains with their hollow masks. though anything is now predictable in manga, that'd be the most crazy thing ever.

well many of the present taichous know the vaizards, since they were all in the lead of gotei 13

and, nobody defeats kyouraku shunsui & ukitake juushiro... I consider them upper class strength.
in short: a battle in which either kyouraku or ukitake gives all he has, that battle would be of such a great level that we haven't yet in all bleach seen anything like it.
of course that also applies to other characters but, I think SS taichous can defeat the espada...

[BleachOD]

This was the first Arrancar Release I really liked. Cool Shuihei I liked his dual Zankapakuto's. I can't wait to see him serve this lobster. I hope KT takes a little time with this one since Hisagi never gets to shine. I wouldn't mind if he went a four or five chapters. As long as he doesn't pull a Szayel...Four a five chapters and glimpse of Ichigo would be ok.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em0136.gifI WANNA SEE ICHIGO!http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/q60-1.gif<---Ignore yell of frustration.

There is a big debate all over regarding the "Twin Swords" Ukitake/Shunsui...now Hisagi.

What I believe...





No his is not like theirs. theirs are twins one sword splits into two. Hisagi's are dual; they come as pair. He has two instead of them being twin.There is difference. Twins unless fraternal are one half of the same whole. The Ovum splits into two. Originally they were one.

If I go and by two Ginsu Knives that look alike. It does not make them Twin. They are just the same model. It's the same principle. That's why I said dual and twin.

Both Ukitake and Shunsui pull their swords apart. Hisagi's just releases and he has two.
You?

[Scep]

Oh wow, OD, you're back! XD WB i guess :heh:

Oh yeah btw, shunsui has two swords from the start. Only ukitake pulls his apart.

[BleachOD]

Oh wow, OD, you're back! XD WB i guess :heh:

Oh yeah btw, shunsui has two swords from the start. Only ukitake pulls his apart.

Uh...no he separates his too. Just differently (Psst I need a sig)

[Sabaku Kyu]

Uh...no he separates his too. Just differently (Psst I need a sig)

Nope. Scep's right. Shunsui carries dual zanpakuto even when not released samurai-style.

But I agree with Geta's notion that the chain linking Hisagi's blades are supposed to make it function as one weapon along the lines of Ikkaku's zanpakuto, unlike the rope attaching Utitake swords which are probably ornamental or for kidou ability.

[BleachOD]

Nope. Scep's right. Shunsui carries dual zanpakuto even when not released samurai-style.

But I agree with Geta's notion that the chain linking Hisagi's blades are supposed to make it function as one weapon along the lines of Ikkaku's zanpakuto, unlike the rope attaching Utitake swords which are probably ornamental or for kidou ability.
Does he?:uhoh: EEWW..... That kinda throws a wrench in my "Twin Sword" theory...:heh:


Hmmmm..OK! It still stands....Ukitake's are premature twins. You say they are born when they ...are delivered..not good right?....:uhoh:


:heh:

[ArtCp]

If the captains defeat the top 3 espada and its later revealed that they are Vasto Lorde class I will stop reading Bleach.

[WONDERMIKE]

the sealed form can look whatever the owner wants it to look like(Kensei, Mayuri, Yama-ji,..), right? then it's simple :D Shunsui shows off wile Ukitake is the modest type ;)

[Casshern]

the sealed form can look whatever the owner wants it to look like(Kensei, Mayuri, Yama-ji,..), right? then it's simple :D Shunsui shows off wile Ukitake is the modest type ;)

So we've established that on the beach Shunsui wears speedos while Ukitake wears shorts, but what about their zanpakutou?
:p

[Langus]

If the captains defeat the top 3 espada and its later revealed that they are Vasto Lorde class I will stop reading Bleach.

That's being a bit harsh don't you think?

If the captains beat the top 3 espada (correction, if ole Yamma, Ukitake and Shinsui beat the top 3 espada) in incredibly difficult fights that require them to use every bit of power they possess (which they haven't even shown at all yet) I think it'd be pretty awesome. It wouldn't be a cheap cop out unless someone like Soi Fon killed their ass. Then I might agree with you :)

[Lelite]

That's being a bit harsh don't you think?

If the captains beat the top 3 espada (correction, if ole Yamma, Ukitake and Shinsui beat the top 3 espada) in incredibly difficult fights that require them to use every bit of power they possess (which they haven't even shown at all yet) I think it'd be pretty awesome. It wouldn't be a cheap cop out unless someone like Soi Fon killed their ass. Then I might agree with you :)

Considering the fuss made about the Vasto Lorde in the beginning (Ten VL = SS destroyed, meaning taking on every shinigami in Seretei as a HOLLOW and still having the upper hand)... I think it still would be pretty cheap for a captain to be able to take on an arrancarized (as we are lead to believe that somehow increases a hollow's strength) VL single-handed, no matter how difficult the battle would be.

I probably wouldn't give up on Bleach though (That's not what I read it for!). It would just be yet another point to add to the "In Bleach, powers do no remain constant" list.

[Langus]

There has to be resolution though. Obviously the good guys are going to win (I mean come on, it IS shonen after all...) but it would make me cringe to see Ichigo be the only one capable of taking the VL's down.

I'm curious though, what are your thoughts on the Vizards? Is the win cheapened if it's them who beat the VL and not the Captains?

[Endrance]

I think it would be even better for the vizards to save the society that cast them out and take revenge on aizen

[Slayerx]

Considering the fuss made about the Vasto Lorde in the beginning (Ten VL = SS destroyed, meaning taking on every shinigami in Seretei as a HOLLOW and still having the upper hand)... I think it still would be pretty cheap for a captain to be able to take on an arrancarized (as we are lead to believe that somehow increases a hollow's strength) VL single-handed, no matter how difficult the battle would be.

Eh, i don't know... i mean they did make a big deal out of the Gillian hollws when they first appeared. And yet, the person who was worried the most over them, Rukia, was apparently capable of taking out a D-roy, who was a adjucha arrancar in just one attack... They destroy gillians like just any other hollow


I'm curious though, what are your thoughts on the Vizards? Is the win cheapened if it's them who beat the VL and not the Captains?
Things can either go one of two ways... Either the espada kick ass and the vizard are needed to save the captains, and actually lead to Gin, tousen and Aizen needing to fight.... OR, the captains kick the espada's ass and the vizards show up to help Aizen to "thank him" for hollowing them and giving them the chance to become vizards.

Frankly, i very much prefer the first scenario... Vizards remain as good guys, and Aizen's "perfection" is borken since he was actually wrong about not needing to lift a finger to win this battle... However, considering the odds against the espada and Aizen's serious lack of minions, the second scenario seems much more likely to happen... and it annoys me most since Aizen's evil plans are just TOO flawless, if he KNEW the vizards were gonna come to his aid.

Though granted, i do think i would like the vizards to aid the captians now and play the good guys, but then become villians in their own right, not allied with Aizen

[WONDERMIKE]

Ichigo might beat the weakest VL without a real power-up in some weeks. After that, the big hype is pretty much gone imo, and a mixed team(1 senior + 1 junior captain) should be able to deal with them(VL) without too much struggle. As long as Aizen/Gin/Tousen stay in the fire cage I can't even see the need for the Vizard's aid(in case they team up with SS), simply because Ichigo will crush the big hype by beating Ulqiorra.

It sure depends on how Ichigo will manage to do it, a serious power-up is important to keep their status a bit unaffected. From the author's point of view it's a pita, he got ultrahyped, but yet outnumbered bad boys and SS's elite(Yamamoto/Ukitake/Kyourako) who had no real time in the limelight until now.

I see a cheap way to bypass all this trouble. The top 3 are still Adjuchas, therefore they are beaten(=chance for the captains to show off an please fans) but either the Vizards till take the Espada's spot as enemies or Aizen goes "hoh you defeated these pawns, me not breaking a sweat though, take a look at my REAL espada *evil laughter*" which would classify as an Asspull (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Asspull) par excellence.

I guess this is the biggest challenge for Kubo-san as an author.

[The Small One]

There has to be resolution though. Obviously the good guys are going to win (I mean come on, it IS shonen after all...) but it would make me cringe to see Ichigo be the only one capable of taking the VL's down.

The questio nwould be: Who are the good guys?

After all we've seen, Soul Society definately can't be considered "good guys", neither does Aizen's group. At the moment the fight is mainly between the (not-so-good) status quo (SS) and those who want to change it (Aizen).

[Wych]

That's being a bit harsh don't you think?

If the captains beat the top 3 espada (correction, if ole Yamma, Ukitake and Shinsui beat the top 3 espada) in incredibly difficult fights that require them to use every bit of power they possess (which they haven't even shown at all yet) I think it'd be pretty awesome. It wouldn't be a cheap cop out unless someone like Soi Fon killed their ass. Then I might agree with you :)

Well VL got built up saying that even without being arrancarised (is that the word) they could defeat a normal, now if becoming an arrancar lifts their potential roof surely they should beat captains with ease?

[BleachOD]

I am with Kenshin. As long as the fights aren't Cheesy I don't see any reason why they cannot beat the top....even if I hope they can't. I want the Viz to show up and save their asses so they can have the shitface for wanting to kill them. Personally I think the fans over hyped the Arrancar to such heights it hurts when they come crashing down (especially in speedos with pubes and they aren't even attractive)

[EliteF22]

GD, this sh!t is just stupid. SS won't lose, probably none of them will even die in the end. The arrancar are just disposable cause SS needs to kill something to look good.

[BleachOD]

Why must someone die? Bleach has been good without deaths. How come greatness is measured by body count? :eyebrow:

[Endrance]

Yeh true although i wouldnt care if omaeda and hinamori get taken out:heh:

[Ryuuken]

... and Aizen's "perfection" is borken since he was actually wrong about not needing to lift a finger to win this battle

I think that won't happen.
The series is determined to show the pinnale of strength which Aizen wants to reach, thus Zero Division, the kings dimension.

I definitely think that this will be shown, and other than Aizen eventually gets there, I cannot imagine another reason why they would go there...

Also, I mean, if you really think about it then either there are more enemies we don't know about yet or the ones we know are even stronger then we thought...

because on our side we have: Ichigo, Inoue, Sado, Ishida
AND whole SS AND the vaizards

on top of that, to conclude the series there are more characters whose strength must be revealed:
Kurosaki Isshin, Urahara, Yoruichi, Ishida Ryuuken
and of course Zero division, which should be on our side, in a battle SS vs hollows...

so in numbers, that we know, we have got a total of 6 enemies plus fraccion (excluding ulquiorra and Yami [where the hell is he anyway])
and a army on our side D=

[Konpachi]

Why must someone die? Bleach has been good without deaths. How come greatness is measured by body count? :eyebrow:

Greatness has always been measured by body count :heh:

But anyway, someone must die because Bleach is rather boring otherwise in terms of its plot. We can alrdy predict what will happen - VCs kiill all the arrancar, Espada are taken down by the Captains (perhaps Ukitake or someone may get injured but no one will die). Meanwhile, Ichigo gets beaten up by Ulq, then his friends help him and inspire him and all, and he some how against all odds defeats Ulq, then goes to the living world with his gang and the 4 Captains, OR the whole Hueco Group stay in Hueco but open one portal to the living world which can last only long enough for one person to go through it. Ichigo is obviously chosen (even though the one of the Captains is probably the more logically choice) and after some short goodbyes and more inspirational stuff, he ends up in the living world where the Captains (good and bad) are pretty much on a level playing field even though they outnumber the baddies (perhaps Yoruichi, Kisuke and the Vaizards, will be nice to see all their masks, will help too) but Aizen is some godlike freak. So anyway, they fight, more get injured and unable to battle, then when all hope seems to be lost, Ichigo and co discover a loophole in Aizen's grand plan. Ichigo exploits it and saves the universe.

What would be nice and interesting and shocking to read would be Ulq kills Ichigo, Inoue goes crazy and destroys the universe. Or the Vaizards turn up to help AIZEN instead of Soul Society, which they very well may do judging by what Shinji said in the last Pendulum. But thats a small twist, nothing really THAT major, since Soul Society may still somehow be able to defeat the combined forces of Aizen, Gin, Tousen and the Vaizards. A cooler version would be if the Vaizards DO join Aizen and Aizen pwns SS, makes the Key, kills the Soul King and rules the world. Basically anything that follows logic would be interesting.

[WONDERMIKE]

The questio nwould be: Who are the good guys?


The SS doesn't have to be good or likable, they just have to do their job, and they did it for quite a while now. As long as the balance in the universe remains, everything is fine, it's their only purpose"." Aizen isn't the selfless and sympathetic rebel/revolutionist, he is the one who endangers the whole universe by taking the crown ;):)

[Langus]

Why must someone die? Bleach has been good without deaths. How come greatness is measured by body count? :eyebrow:

OD! Good to see you back in action :)

Bleach needs SOME deaths to happen so we remain emotionally invested in the fate of the characters.

I'm not sure about the rest of you, but currently I'm reading Bleach each week out of habit and an eventual desire to see what happens in the end. There is no edge of my seat 'oh my god I gotta read it!' pull happening at the moment and there hasn't been for a while. If you think there is a chance that one of your favourite characters will die the next week, or even just one of the main characters, there is a really good chance you are going to make DAMN sure you pick a copy up the next week.

If they go through this entire war and not a single goodie dies it's pretty cheap don't you think? I know that SS isn't 'human' per se, but that doesn't mean they should be infallible beings. How are we as readers supposed to identify with them then? There should be the risk of death at every turn, given that this is a war, and to make the risk believable and legitimate, someone important (but not from Ichigo's nakama pack, obviously) has to go.

But that's just me.

[Black-Cat-Sama]

well many of the present taichous know the vaizards, since they were all in the lead of gotei 13

and, nobody defeats kyouraku shunsui & ukitake juushiro... I consider them upper class strength.
in short: a battle in which either kyouraku or ukitake gives all he has, that battle would be of such a great level that we haven't yet in all bleach seen anything like it.
of course that also applies to other characters but, I think SS taichous can defeat the espada...

if the SS captains can defeat the espada, then what was the point of aizen leaving, going to hueco, starting his own mini SS just to get them all killed off..., honestly with SS's rate, its good to see beatdown. and yeah they all know the vizard but that would make it so muhc better, they have a grudge on both sides .... aly the beatdown on everyone!!! and Shunsui and Ukitake's power must take a back seat when it coems to saving the bleach coolness...(i.e., SS getting their aSS kicked)

[BleachOD]

OD! Good to see you back in action :)

Bleach needs SOME deaths to happen so we remain emotionally invested in the fate of the characters.

. Next you will be wearing a Gin avatar... (Sorry Moving Fire I couldn't resist):uhoh::heh:

Funny I want to see only the characters I am not emotionally invested in die. Then I wouldn't mind...