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The sci-fi novel Shangri-La by Ikegami Eiichi will be getting animated.
シャングリ・ラ
Shangri-La
Official anime site:
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/
The novel was published by Kadokawa Shoten in September 2005.
Its cover:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/286/31596584ty8.jpg
Author: Ikegami Eiichi
A shounen manga adaptation of the novel is serialized in the shounen manga magazine Zoukan Ace Assault (http://comipedia.com/magazine/zoukan-ace-assault). It started serialization from the Spring 2008 issue of the magazine (released on March 12th, 2008). The manga is drawn by Karasuma Tasuku.
The first volume of the shounen manga Shangri-La was released on November 26th, 2008.
Cover:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9461/32165287lr6.jpg
Shounen manga.
Drawn by: Karasuma Tasuku
Genre: Science Fiction
Staff:
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Original Work: Ikegami Eiichi
Director: Bessho Makoto
Series Composition: Oonogi Hiroshi
Creative Producer: Mori Takeshi
Character Design: RANGE MURATA
Creative Supervisor: Takeba Shingo
Design Works: Kusanagi Takuhito, Satou Hajime, Iida Umanosuke
Animation Production: GONZO
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Same_Shark
2008-09-08, 17:19
This is going to be cancelled like Murdock Scramble was, right?
Here's the basic summary from ANN.
The story takes place in the middle of the 21st century when global warming has turned Tokyo into a tropical city. To reduce the temperature at the heart of the city by 5°C (9°F), the city is being reborn as the world's largest forest city. However, despite the flow of refugees to the new city of Atlas, there are not many residents who can actually live there. Moreover, anti-government guerillas are attempting to stop the forestation.
Sounds interesting enough.
Dang, I thought it was some side story to Noein >;\
Dang, I thought it was some side story to Noein >;\
I'll admit it, that's what i thought straight away when seeing the title of this thread. :heh:
Same_Shark
2008-09-08, 22:23
I'll admit it, that's what i thought straight away when seeing the title of this thread. :heh:
My first actual thought was the new BeForU single. lol
Ooh, there's a cute bishoujo (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20080908) too, so I'm definitely watching this (lol).
An image from the mangaka's blog announcing the manga adaptation of the sci-fi novel Shangri-La:
http://blog.karasumatasuku.jp/?eid=598190
ZODDGUTS
2008-09-09, 02:03
I love the artwork he does for COMIC Kairakuten so awesome. :p
Range Murata makes the chara-design so I am definitely watching this !
Same_Shark
2008-09-09, 02:48
Range Murata makes the chara-design so I am definitely watching this !
That is my main reason for adding this to my "Must Watch" list. Range Murata is one of my favorite artists.
Bessho Makoto
http://i38.tinypic.com/2pt71ur.gif Incoming train wreck.
Range Murata makes the chara-design so I am definitely watching this !
I very much agree with this. The story sounds interesting enough to watch, though with Range Murata character designs makes it a must watch.
I don't know the director, but for me the staff is not that bad (i don't expect too much form Gonzo but i think i'll give a chance to them for this). Mori Takeshi worked on various Bones anime such as Eureka7, Rah or Wolf's Rain which were, at least for the visual part, pretty good . Oohnogi's screenplays are generally decent if not well executed, both Arjuna and Noein had a quite solid plot. Even though this is not an original work i might aspect a satisfying adaptation of the novel, like the work he's doing in Birdy. Murata is an amazing illustrator, his chara was the only reason that keep me watching Last Exile till the end.
However, even i'll be glad to see more Murata, some illustration of Shangri-La were done by Kenichi Yoshida. Here same samples while the rest is on his site:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1086/101lq6.th.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=101lq6.jpg) http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4841/901mj8.th.jpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=901mj8.jpg) http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7951/401ng7.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=401ng7.jpg)
Actually i like Yoshida's style even more than Murata's so that's a pity he isn't the animation director/chara design :/
DangerMouse
2008-09-09, 14:28
I very much agree with this. The story sounds interesting enough to watch, though with Range Murata character designs makes it a must watch.
Totally agree as I said in the new announcement thread, one of my favorite artists :) After the sad cancellation of Mardock Scramble, it's great to know he's working a new scifi series.
digiboy123
2008-09-09, 22:27
The story itself sounds like it would be a good watch.
Sci-fi animes are starting to take a place with me; ie Jyu oh Sei, Toward the Terra, Heroic Age, etc. Hopefully this one will be awesome too.
tigerwoods
2008-09-10, 13:06
I like Range Murata's style, though I preferer other artists.
It seems Gonzo will be doing a lot of interesting series, isn't it?
The novel has been re-released by Kadokawa Shoten in 2 volumes Bunko format.
Covers of the volumes:
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8564/32129880rr2.jpg http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6245/32129881yz8.jpg
Published under the Kadokawa Bunko label.
The first volume of the shounen manga adaptation of the novel will be released on November 26th, 2008. I'll post its cover when its available.
Shounen manga.
Serialized in the shounen manga magazine Zoukan Ace Assault (http://comipedia.com/magazine/zoukan-ace-assault).
Drawn by: Karasuma Tasuku
Seem interesting and artwork is nice , I am going to check this out once it releases ^^
ZeusIrae
2008-11-06, 15:02
The story sounds cliché but Renge Murata and the original novel atwork(a middle age/early modern european painting as a cover) interest me.
Same_Shark
2008-11-07, 10:43
I'm ready to see more art from the anime! I love the first pic that was released!
mizuki_tohru
2008-11-09, 00:27
I read this novel recently.
cliché? This novel is unusual. It is as severe as novel "Requios" before him.
The world shifts to the carbon key currency basis economy. An aircraft carrier changes itself into an islet by camouflage armoring. The artificial intelligence of the Marshall Islands is frightened of a rise in the sea level. The boomerang of carbon fiber cuts a tank. The procession of an anachronistic cow carriage will appear in Ikebukuro. Ghosts appear ordinarily. The human being who must have died appears again, and it appears, and dies, and appears.
This work is not science fiction correctly. As a tale, it is abnormalities. Probably, the dramatist of animation is greatly in pain now.
Same_Shark
2008-11-10, 01:13
I read this novel recently.
cliché? This novel is unusual. It is as severe as novel "Requios" before him.
The world shifts to the carbon key currency basis economy. An aircraft carrier changes itself into an islet by camouflage armoring. The artificial intelligence of the Marshall Islands is frightened of a rise in the sea level. The boomerang of carbon fiber cuts a tank. The procession of an anachronistic cow carriage will appear in Ikebukuro. Ghosts appear ordinarily. The human being who must have died appears again, and it appears, and dies, and appears.
This work is not science fiction correctly. As a tale, it is abnormalities. Probably, the dramatist of animation is greatly in pain now.
Makes me want to see the anime even more.
I read this novel recently.
cliché? This novel is unusual. It is as severe as novel "Requios" before him.
The world shifts to the carbon key currency basis economy. An aircraft carrier changes itself into an islet by camouflage armoring. The artificial intelligence of the Marshall Islands is frightened of a rise in the sea level. The boomerang of carbon fiber cuts a tank. The procession of an anachronistic cow carriage will appear in Ikebukuro. Ghosts appear ordinarily. The human being who must have died appears again, and it appears, and dies, and appears.
This work is not science fiction correctly. As a tale, it is abnormalities. Probably, the dramatist of animation is greatly in pain now.
Sounds interesting and quite confusing...the artwork looks absolutely stunning though, if nothing else it should be a visual spectacle.
The TV anime series will start broadcast in April 2009.
The TV anime series will start broadcast in April 2009.
Word of comfort to me...
I was momentarily worried but now it’s all fun and games anticipating. BTW is there a source for that?
Yeah, here (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20081206).
BTW I think that panty image is not related to this anime. Though I wouldn't mind if this was a fanservicy anime :heh:
I somehow don't see this anime talking about a serious topic. wwww
An official site has opened:
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/
The first volume of the shounen manga Shangri-La was released on November 26th, 2008.
Cover:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9461/32165287lr6.jpg
Shounen manga.
Serialized in the shounen manga magazine Zoukan Ace Assault (http://www.comipedia.com/magazine/zoukan-ace-assault).
Same_Shark
2008-12-11, 13:53
An official site has opened:
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/
The first volume of the shounen manga Shangri-La was released on November 26th, 2008.
Cover:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9461/32165287lr6.jpg
Shounen manga.
Serialized in the shounen manga magazine Zoukan Ace Assault (http://www.comipedia.com/magazine/zoukan-ace-assault).
The wait is killing me!!!! Four months to go!
DangerMouse
2008-12-13, 05:22
Still the same here! I absolutely cannot wait.
does this anime affect by the Gonzo downsizing ?
I miss last exile, so hopefully Range Murata will ease my pain once again, gonzo has been disappointed years after years so far :(
kk2extreme
2008-12-23, 19:34
the scenes looks amazing, this could turn out to be the next last exile :)
Same_Shark
2008-12-23, 23:47
the scenes looks amazing, this could turn out to be the next last exile :)
You've seen clips of it or something?
Update on the official website with characters pictures : http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/character.html
Same_Shark
2009-01-10, 14:45
Thanks kyouray! I'm definately loving the designs.
Now, if Shuntaro Okino ends up doing a theme song for this, I can die happily.
DangerMouse
2009-01-10, 16:07
Thanks kyouray! I'm definately loving the designs.
Now, if Shuntaro Okino ends up doing a theme song for this, I can die happily.
That would be so fantastic.
Oh yes, more awesomeness from Range Murata, love the character designs.
Thanks for the news that the site was updated, totally made my day reminding me that this show is getting closer and closer.
Same_Shark
2009-01-30, 03:23
There's a tiny update on the website. Mostly just the announcement that the blog is open and a character relation chart.
Scan from 2ch (thanks to AnimeWatcher (http://www.mata-web.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112461#112461)) :
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4274/img20090210153549yq1.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img20090210153549yq1.jpg)
Design by Kumi ISHII (石井久美).
Original design by Range MURATA (村田蓮爾) :
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6310/1234263963993km1.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1234263963993km1.jpg)
... I'm disappointed.
.. I'm disappointed.
I'm not. Just what i'd expect from Range. <3
I'm not. Just what i'd expect from Range. <3
The design by Murata is very nice as usual but I'm a little disappointed with Kumi Ishii's design even if it's still nice. Besides Kumi Ishii is talented for facial expressions (look Kure-nai !) so I'm looking forward to this show :)
ZODDGUTS
2009-02-10, 15:48
The designs for the anime look too different from Murata's design... was hoping it would be around Last Exile level in being close to Murta's original designs.
Same_Shark
2009-02-10, 20:02
I'm still praying for some involvement by Shuntaro Okino, but I do not Kotaro Nakagawa for the music.
GONZO likes 'em young. :heh:
I prefer Murata's design.
physics223
2009-02-10, 22:37
I don't expect much from this series especially because it's done by GONZO. Still, I will hazard to try and watch this. :)
Same_Shark
2009-02-11, 15:23
I could be good, just as long as there are no mecha battles.
A bit curious about the premise of a futuristic what-if: a Tokyo finally terraformed into a rain forest in the face of global warming. This looks promising.
I wonder if they had taken their inspiration from these artworks:
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/08/tokyo-fantasy-images-of-the-apocalypse/
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/05/neo-ruins-lithographs-of-post-apocalyptic-tokyo/
Same_Shark
2009-02-19, 23:07
A bit curious about the premise of a futuristic what-if: a Tokyo finally terraformed into a rain forest in the face of global warming. This looks promising.
I wonder if they had taken their inspiration from these artworks:
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/08/tokyo-fantasy-images-of-the-apocalypse/
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/05/neo-ruins-lithographs-of-post-apocalyptic-tokyo/
Wow! I love pictures like those! I may start a collection.
A bit curious about the premise of a futuristic what-if: a Tokyo finally terraformed into a rain forest in the face of global warming. This looks promising.
I wonder if they had taken their inspiration from these artworks:
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/08/tokyo-fantasy-images-of-the-apocalypse/
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/05/neo-ruins-lithographs-of-post-apocalyptic-tokyo/
Also makes you wonder about Origin~Spirits of the Past~ (fantasy link) and Chaos: HeAD (lithographs link).
DangerMouse
2009-02-20, 00:31
As the first colored image of the smoothed/less intricately shaded for animation design I think the picture is pretty good though a little brightly colored compared to how perfectly Last Exile captured his particular art style and feel, so until I see darker art from like an action scene or something and facial expressions (which is supposed to be something Ishii is good at?) I can't really judge yet whether it will capture the overall feel like Last Exile did so well until we see it in the actual flowing animation. In this particular image I think it's the shading/shininess or "splitty" messiness of the hair in that freeze frame that's making me do a double-take compared to how Murata's characters' distinctive hairstyles were perfectly captured in Last Exile, at first glance the face and eyes seem to capture it pretty well for adaptations of his characters by a second artist so I think the picture is pretty good so far.
Some of the other characters will also be a good indication of how much of Murata's art is captured or not when we see their adaptations.
Obviously Murata's original in that other picture is as usual fantastic.
I wonder if the "old man" is going kick as much ass as Alex ;)
Same_Shark
2009-02-20, 01:04
Dear sir, no one can kick ass like Alex.
Not my type I'd say...But I think I will give it a try since all replies are somehow delightful.
DangerMouse
2009-02-20, 02:10
Dear sir, no one can kick ass like Alex,
So very true! :heh:
Same_Shark
2009-02-20, 13:45
I just hope the anime is as epic as it sounds. I'm going to be highly pissed if it's not.
I just hope the anime is as epic as it sounds. I'm going to be highly pissed if it's not.
I don't see why it wouldn't be. Just don't have your expectations set at a rather high level, though saying that i'm hoping for quite the epic series. I should be telling myself that. :heh:
It's sure to be juicy fanservice in terms of visuals.
A bit curious about the premise of a futuristic what-if: a Tokyo finally terraformed into a rain forest in the face of global warming. This looks promising.
I wonder if they had taken their inspiration from these artworks:
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/08/tokyo-fantasy-images-of-the-apocalypse/
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/05/neo-ruins-lithographs-of-post-apocalyptic-tokyo/
K's a great artist. I also how love his blog is just complete madness (not the site linked before anyone asks).
DangerMouse
2009-02-21, 02:03
I don't see why it wouldn't be. Just don't have your expectations set at a rather high level, though saying that i'm hoping for quite the epic series. I should be telling myself that. :heh:
It's sure to be juicy fanservice in terms of visuals.
Yup, I join both of you in hoping for this.
Same_Shark
2009-03-05, 18:50
VERY SMALL website update. Just a new front-page pic. The blog also has 3 landscape pics.
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_7.html
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_8.html
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_9.html
qmeister
2009-03-05, 18:54
^ Sweet pics, that massive wall is impressive. I wonder what the coloured towers in the first pic are for, though.
Same_Shark
2009-03-05, 18:58
^ Sweet pics, that massive wall is impressive. I wonder what the coloured towers in the first pic are for, though.
Not sure. My first guess is watchtowers. I'd have to say that my favorite is the pic in the second link. I love rainy days in both art and reality.
qmeister
2009-03-05, 19:04
The area in the second pic looks like it's in left side of town, seems a little dingy. I guess any town will have slums and lower income areas. I agree it's very well-drawn, it looks like parts of Taiwan I've been to.
Same_Shark
2009-03-06, 09:28
The area in the second pic looks like it's in left side of town, seems a little dingy. I guess any town will have slums and lower income areas. I agree it's very well-drawn, it looks like parts of Taiwan I've been to.
I do hate how the slums are always rainy in anime.
Last Sinner
2009-03-06, 09:38
This is the title from the April wave that has me the most exicted by far. Gonzo have not failed previously when creating something involving the epic talent of Range Murata. Please, please be made of win!
Have to say one of those females looks almsot the same as Lavie from Last Exile, who I utterly loved. Is this intentional, because in most of his works, there's always a girl/woman that looks virtually the same as Lavie. Not that I'm complaining though. That cover of ROBOT issue 1 is just pure divinity.
Not sure. My first guess is watchtowers. I'd have to say that my favorite is the pic in the second link. I love rainy days in both art and reality.
Strangely, the heavy fortifications and the layout of the town always reminds me of protected cities like Konoha and Tokyo-3.
As for the towers, given that this is far off into the middle of this century, they could also serve as communication towers, passive sensor arrays, force shield emitters, ventilation shafts, or laser cannon turrets.
qmeister
2009-03-06, 14:48
^ Perhaps they're trash/compost silos, since there's forest all around?
Give back to the Earth, or she will take it from you!
Same_Shark
2009-03-07, 04:40
^ Perhaps they're trash/compost silos, since there's forest all around?
Give back to the Earth, or she will take it from you!
Never thought of that one. Interesting. What made you think of that?
qmeister
2009-03-07, 13:46
^ Well, considering the city is surrounded by a forest of massive proportions, ostensibly due to global warming, I think it's safe to say that the biosphere is growing in a more or less hostile manner if they had to build that wall to protect themselves.
Same_Shark
2009-03-07, 14:29
^ Well, considering the city is surrounded by a forest of massive proportions, ostensibly due to global warming, I think it's safe to say that the biosphere is growing in a more or less hostile manner if they had to build that wall to protect themselves.
I see your point. I hope that isn't the Tokyo that the story refers to. If it is, it's not as awe-inspiring as I thought it'd be.
^ Well, considering the city is surrounded by a forest of massive proportions, ostensibly due to global warming, I think it's safe to say that the biosphere is growing in a more or less hostile manner if they had to build that wall to protect themselves.
I believe it's not just a wall, but that the entire city is raised above a massive rainforest canopy against a constantly sinking foundation (the latter part I saw mentioned in the website). It'd explain the Tower of Babel reference on the novel cover.
I believe it's not just a wall, but that the entire city is raised above a massive rainforest canopy against a constantly sinking foundation (the latter part I saw mentioned in the website). It'd explain the Tower of Babel reference on the novel cover.
That massive wall could also be a flood barrier for when the water level rises. It's more sloped on the lake side than the forest side. That city could be smack in the middle of a flood plain. Saw those type of barriers on the East Coast near the Susquehana River.
Also, other hostile humans could attribute to having a huge barrier. But I think that it is a flood barrier.
I don't think those colored towers are watch towers. They're in the wrong location (clustered in the middle of the city instead of on the wall). Also, there is a lack of towers at the distal end of the city. Maybe storage units for grain, fresh water, communications equipment or some other expensive substance since it looks to be in the middle of expensive areas of the city (less congested from the aerial view) and the towers are decorated.
New illustration (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_11.html) from Murata on the blog :) (thanks to AnimeWatcher (http://www.mata-web.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=116286#116286) for the link).
The show'll have an online preview (http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/preview/shangri-la/) for 500 guests on March 10.
New illustration (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_11.html) from Murata on the blog :) (thanks to AnimeWatcher (http://www.mata-web.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=116286#116286) for the link).
The show'll have an online preview (http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/preview/shangri-la/) for 500 guests on March 10.
Darn. I want to see that, but I can't read Japanese. Nice pic though. The last Murata anime I saw was in Last Exile.
SneakerPimp
2009-03-09, 15:05
The show'll have an online preview (http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/preview/shangri-la/) for 500 guests on March 10.
Let's hope that one of them knows how to use YouTube. ;)
Let's hope that one of them knows how to use YouTube. ;)
or Veoh...
I wish I could be there.
Let's hope that one of them knows how to use YouTube. ;)
I give it half a day until it appears on Youtube.
Well. did anyone see the preview. March 10th is almost over (here on the East Coast anyway).
DangerMouse
2009-03-11, 03:13
This is the title from the April wave that has me the most exicted by far. Gonzo have not failed previously when creating something involving the epic talent of Range Murata. Please, please be made of win!
Have to say one of those females looks almsot the same as Lavie from Last Exile, who I utterly loved. Is this intentional, because in most of his works, there's always a girl/woman that looks virtually the same as Lavie. Not that I'm complaining though. That cover of ROBOT issue 1 is just pure divinity.
Agreed with everything you said! April can't get here soon enough. I'm begging for this to rock.
Yeah, it's probably intentional he seems to like that female look with the short hair, I've seen it in a number of his stand alone illustrations as well, and Lavie was indeed awesome. The other two designs that makes me think back to my fond memories of Last Exile and likely styles that Murata likes to draw since I've seen variations on them, are the one who looks somewhat like Alvis, but older, the girl with the stuffed animal, Karin. And Kunihiko, who I hope somehow is as likeable as Mullin was since he's got a headstart looking somewhat like him.
Mikuni's look in the outline sketch kind of reminds me of the little sister from Samurai 7 who was hilarious bossing around Kikuchiyo heh.
I'm very curious how the "captainy" guy is going to look colored since I don't know much about the story and who he is going to be.
HammerOrNails
2009-03-11, 06:24
Can't wait as well... as mucha s I love Murata I am a tad afraid his style would be a bit too bright and shiny for Shangri-La (which seems to be a quite darker deal in general) but just seeing something new from him after his disappointing latest doujinshi is welcome. If only April'd come faster...
May'n best known for being the singing voice to Macross Frontier's Sheryl Nome will be singing the OP for this called "Kimi Shinitamou Koto Nakare".
http://bonkurasu.animeblogger.net/2009/03/mayn-to-sing-opening-theme-for-upcoming-anime-shangri-la/
I did a bit of looking around and it just recently clicked with me that Kenichi Yoshida had design artworks for Shangri-La up for ages on his website:
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha01_04.html
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha05_06.html
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha07_08.html
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha09_end.html
Does anyone know the reason why GONZO decided to scrap all that and go with Murata? I like Murata, but IMO there was nothing wrong with Yoshida's designs to begin with and he obviously already put some work into it. Seems like a bit of an idiot move on GONZO's part from my POV, as Yoshida's a pretty established and recognized designer as well. If that's how Gonzo manages their finances as well, I'm not surprised why they're in monetary troubles.
qmeister
2009-03-11, 13:18
^ Woah, that stuff's pretty awesome, though the boomerangs are a little funky. Judging from his repertoire, Yoshida would have been a better choice. However, Murata did the concept design for Solty Rei and mecha design for Second Renaissance (part of the Animatrix) which would also fit the bill.
My opinion is only based on the scarce information that's been released so far. We'll see whether GONZO made the right choice.
aardvark
2009-03-11, 14:37
I did a bit of looking around and it just recently clicked with me that Kenichi Yoshida had design artworks for Shangri-La up for ages on his website:
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha01_04.html
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha05_06.html
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha07_08.html
http://gallo44gallery.web.fc2.com/sha09_end.html
Does anyone know the reason why GONZO decided to scrap all that and go with Murata? I like Murata, but IMO there was nothing wrong with Yoshida's designs to begin with and he obviously already put some work into it. Seems like a bit of an idiot move on GONZO's part from my POV, as Yoshida's a pretty established and recognized designer as well. If that's how Gonzo manages their finances as well, I'm not surprised why they're in monetary troubles.
Well, since it is Gonzo, it is a foregone conclusion that they will ruin the source material, whatever it is. So changing the visual design at least helps to seperate it from the novel right from the start.
HammerOrNails
2009-03-11, 15:14
By the way, anybody has actually managed to get their hands on the novel and can give a better idea of plot and setting, beyond the meager crumbs (tokyo-lotsa trees-big tower) already widely known?
Some screenshots (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_10.html) are available on the blog. It looks great :) (thanks to manuloz (http://www.manganimation.net/news/2009/03/shangri-la-preview-en-image-du-nouveau-gonzo/) for the link).
DangerMouse
2009-03-11, 15:55
Can't wait as well... as mucha s I love Murata I am a tad afraid his style would be a bit too bright and shiny for Shangri-La (which seems to be a quite darker deal in general) but just seeing something new from him after his disappointing latest doujinshi is welcome. If only April'd come faster...
Last Exile got pretty serious so I don't think that will be an issue with Murata's designs if they are adapted well by the animation designer like they were in that show.
What latest doujinshi has he done?
DangerMouse
2009-03-11, 16:04
Some screenshots (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_10.html) are available on the blog. It looks great :) (thanks to manuloz (http://www.manganimation.net/news/2009/03/shangri-la-preview-en-image-du-nouveau-gonzo/) for the link).
Oh freaking yes!!
That image makes the animation adaptation of her character design look SO much better than the first and only previous image we got of the colored design a while ago from Newtype, she looks totally kick ass in finalized animation form, I've got a new potential favorite action heroine if she turns out to be a good character and they're animating her action scenes with dynamic moves like that (I look forwards to seeing the full scene).
I can't wait to see how they do her action scenes since I think it's been quite a while since I've seen a boomerang-ish primary weapon.
They aren't really the same but since I was re-watching a few eps of it recently these acrobatic shots and her pink hair made me think of some of Anita's dynamic fights from Read or Die TV as she was usually the one doing the cool acrobatic moves in that shows fights.
The background art in that 4th image, like the detail of the wall behind her, is pretty awesome too, this actually looks like it might be getting the "showpiece" attention like Last Exile did if the animation is actually going to contain some of the background art we've seen so far on the blog.
Hopefully this is a good sign, it's looking better each time we see more info.
Adventury
2009-03-11, 17:55
I don't believe these scans have been posted here yet:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1601/up0027.jpg
Source: Manganimation (http://www.manganimation.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=305#p305)
I don't believe these scans have been posted here yet:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1601/up0027.jpg
Source: Manganimation (http://www.manganimation.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=305#p305)
Nice. The anime designs are not that bad. This show is giving me a big Last Exile feeling.
DangerMouse
2009-03-11, 18:16
Ah, the first color look at some of the others, nice.
Nice. The anime designs are not that bad. This show is giving me a big Last Exile feeling.
Yeah, it's definitely coming through more now with the new coloring work.
Yup, girl on the left certainly reminds me of Alvis' design.
Same_Shark
2009-03-12, 00:25
Ah, the first color look at some of the others, nice.
Yeah, it's definitely coming through more now with the new coloring work.
Yup, girl on the left certainly reminds me of Alvis' design.
Looks like there's a Chibi, lady Dio too.
DangerMouse
2009-03-12, 00:40
Oh yeah she does, heh.
DangerMouse
2009-03-13, 11:40
The first in-show screenshot (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/blog/2009/03/post_13.html) of the Alvis-like girl has been posted on their blog.
Very nice, and again in finalized form very Murata-ish like the Last Exile animation adapted designs, the way her face and hair are drawn could fit nicely in with that show too.
Ishii's doing a nice job so far looking at these stills.
Same_Shark
2009-03-13, 11:51
Looks like one of the seiyuu is named Misawa Sachika and it's her debut.
Oh freaking yes!!
That image makes the animation adaptation of her character design look SO much better than the first and only previous image we got of the colored design a while ago from Newtype, she looks totally kick ass in finalized animation form, I've got a new potential favorite action heroine if she turns out to be a good character and they're animating her action scenes with dynamic moves like that (I look forwards to seeing the full scene).
If the storyline is properly executed and can entertain well, along with very good character design, Shang could turn Gonzo's luck around this year.
I can't wait to see how they do her action scenes since I think it's been quite a while since I've seen a boomerang-ish primary weapon.
Last time I've seen a boomerang as a weapon, it was with one of the characters in Inuyasha -- and that show is one of the least of my favorites.
They aren't really the same but since I was re-watching a few eps of it recently these acrobatic shots and her pink hair made me think of some of Anita's dynamic fights from Read or Die TV as she was usually the one doing the cool acrobatic moves in that shows fights.
The background art in that 4th image, like the detail of the wall behind her, is pretty awesome too, this actually looks like it might be getting the "showpiece" attention like Last Exile did if the animation is actually going to contain some of the background art we've seen so far on the blog.
Hopefully this is a good sign, it's looking better each time we see more info.
:D Let's also hope that Shang's storyline blows off doors more than just great artwork (and polka-dot pantsu (http://fukkatsu.free.fr/upload/shangrila_030209.jpg)) to ogle at. I'm giving this one a chance.
DangerMouse
2009-03-13, 16:23
If the storyline is properly executed and can entertain well, along with very good character design, Shang could turn Gonzo's luck around this year.
Yeah, I hope Shangri-La can pull all of the different pieces together. :) That would certainly be nice, Gonzo could certainly use another classic.
Last time I've seen a boomerang as a weapon, it was with one of the characters in Inuyasha -- and that show is one of the least of my favorites.
Ah I forgot about her, right Sango with the giant heavy boomerang, I pretty much hate that show, also she seemed to be at best a sidekick fight-wise from the moment they actually recruited her since I don't remember them really showing off any boomerang moves since Inuyasha got practically all the "wins" in the various episodes I slogged through on CN in between their other shows. Even though it's pretty different that might be the most recent boomerang weapon I guess.
:D Let's also hope that Shang's storyline blows off doors more than just great artwork (and polka-dot pantsu (http://fukkatsu.free.fr/upload/shangrila_030209.jpg)) to ogle at. I'm giving this one a chance.
Yeah, agreed, this is obviously the big key, so I hope it does!
Nice artwork.
I'm hoping that they keep those undergarment shots to a minimum. If other studios can keep that sort of thing to a minimum and produce a great title then so can Gonzo.
qmeister
2009-03-13, 18:47
If the storyline is properly executed and can entertain well, along with very good character design, Shang could turn Gonzo's luck around this year.
That it definitely could. I just hope it doesn't turn into a Last Exile fiasco. Then again GONZO's shorter series generally turn out better.
And have we all agreed to shorten it to Shang? :heh:
That it definitely could. I just hope it doesn't turn into a Last Exile fiasco. Then again GONZO's shorter series generally turn out better.
And have we all agreed to shorten it to Shang? :heh:
It's going to be only 12-13 episodes?
DangerMouse
2009-03-13, 19:46
That's a weird shorten lol. Don't think I'll shorten it lol
I remember reading it was going to be in the 26-ish range, but I don't think we've gotten an official count, I hope it's going to be 24-26 so they can do something "bigger".
That it definitely could. I just hope it doesn't turn into a Last Exile fiasco. Then again GONZO's shorter series generally turn out better.
No idea what you're talking about lol, I thought Last Exile was excellent and it definitely needed the full 26 episodes for a story of that scale to not be rushed. If you are referring to the ending I'll just say anime endings are pretty subjective and I think the general opinion that I've seen of the rest of the show that's easier to judge is pretty good.
qmeister
2009-03-13, 21:44
^ Oh, it'll be a 2-cour then... My bad.
Last Exile was not bad by far, I just feel a couple of points could have been done better. Then again, it's been quite awhile since I watched it, and I've watched some pretty awesome stuff recently so my memory may be biased. ^_^
It's going to be only 12-13 episodes?
I like to call it Shang because Shangri-la is a mouthful, and that's also how (back in the Philippines) we refer to a high-class shopping mall a few blocks away.
Given the breathtaking previews, 26 episodes would more likely to fit its storyline.
According to FansubWiki, Gonzo will be releasing this show online with subs, like Strike Witches and Druaga, right?
According to FansubWiki, Gonzo will be releasing this show online with subs, like Strike Witches and Druaga, right?
Which means it'll appear on Crunchyroll then. Has a official statement been released about this?
M.Marangio
2009-03-17, 04:39
There are some new character and item sketches as well as screenshots at dengeki online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/146/146358/).
The airing starts on April 5, 24:00.
DangerMouse
2009-03-17, 12:09
There are some new character and item sketches as well as screenshots at dengeki online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/146/146358/).
The airing starts on April 5, 24:00.
Awesome! The screens are looking great.
Not only the great character art but those are some sweet backgrounds which is sometimes a good sign of extra dedication, like the building behind the action scene which I liked earlier and some of the shots like the one with the nicely done CG tank and the helicopter have some great trees and some nice extra detail drawn of the ground the tank is driving over and the imagery of the second to last shot with the nicely detailed forest covered buildings and that structure that looks absolutely freakin massive. The sky looks surprisingly good too, that's a really nice blue and non-simplistic clouds, it actually reminds me of some of Gainax's skies when they do them well.
Neat, her metal boomerang does fold-up and she looks cool in those action shots, also good facial expressions there as I remember was expected earlier in the thread.
Ah, we couldn't see before but the Dio-ish girl has the multi-colored eyes thing going. It looks like her friend wears a ton of makeup lol, and the scientist who already looked interesting in the sketch looks quite interesting in color.
The military guy does look like Mullin in that third to last shot, awesome hehe.
Please come through with the most important part, the story, Gonzo, from the art perspective this show looks like it may deliver.
Thanks for the link :)
That massive structure in question looks like a climate-control terraforming facility, designed to process the atmosphere and control the weather (examples are found in Aliens and Serenity)
DangerMouse
2009-03-17, 12:37
Ah, that would also fit with what we know of the setting.
The Dengeki article also seems to give us our first soundtrack name in addition to the May'n (of Macross Frontier fame) OP and the main music credit will make Last Exile soundtrack fans very pleased.
It lists Hitomi Kuroishi, who did both the main music and ED theme of Last Exile (with her group Dolce Triade). According to ANN some of her other work includes working with Kotaro Nakagawa on the two seasons of Code Geass and Gun x Sword.
Must try to keep my expectations of the show reasonable but more good news. :)
Going back to the beginning of the thread:
Now, if Shuntaro Okino ends up doing a theme song for this, I can die happily.
While it may not happen atleast the possibility is still high, these three people seem to work together somewhat often, in addition to Last Exile he also did an ED theme for Gun x Sword which Hitomi Kuroishi is also credited with him for. We still don't know who's doing the ED (or any inserts if there are any) for the show as well.
Same_Shark
2009-03-17, 14:30
Seiyuu are
北条國子-CV：高橋美佳子
美邦（みくに）-CV：有賀由衣
石田香凛（いしだかりん） -CV：井口裕香
草薙国仁（くさなぎくにひと）-CV：石井真
モモコ-CV: ?
鳴瀬涼子（なるせりょうこ）-CV：五十嵐麗
小夜子（さよこ）-石塚理恵
Kaoru Chujo
2009-03-17, 18:58
I'm looking forward to this in hopes of good science fiction, and also in hopes that Takahashi Mikako will get another great role. I have loved her work since Honey & Clover and think she gets less than her due. Iguchi Yuka (Index) is another attraction.
Director Bessho Makoto has an interesting background, having done the AMG movie, and having done storyboards for a wide range of shows, including Petite Princess Yucie, Death Note, and Seirei no Moribito. But writer Ohnogi Hiroshi (Noein) may be the most intriguing part of this project.
I myself will not be shortening the title from Shangri-la, a name that is pretty easy to pronounce and is part of the English language now. It has specific associations from the original 1930s-40s novel and movie Lost Horizon, where it was the name of a hidden paradise in the Himalayas. Calling it "Shang" would be like calling the Philippines "Phil."
DangerMouse
2009-03-17, 23:52
I'm looking forward to this in hopes of good science fiction, and also in hopes that Takahashi Mikako will get another great role. I have loved her work since Honey & Clover and think she gets less than her due. Iguchi Yuka (Index) is another attraction.
Director Bessho Makoto has an interesting background, having done the AMG movie, and having done storyboards for a wide range of shows, including Petite Princess Yucie, Death Note, and Seirei no Moribito. But writer Ohnogi Hiroshi (Noein) may be the most intriguing part of this project.
It's a very exciting staff they've brought together. I agree with your thoughts on both of them and Ohnogi's involvement could be huge for the story, since you noted Noein I thought it had a fantastic very scifi concept story. Also, in addition to Murata's involvement, the art director (listed on ANN) Hajime Satou must have something to do with the great backgrounds I'm loving in the screens we've seen because his art design and set design credits include some of my favorites in that area like Big O, Witch Hunter Robin and Karas which all had great detail in their background art (and was one of several artists on Origin which was a letdown as a movie but had gorgeous background art). And now I think the soundtrack is in good hands too.
I just noticed, even the supervisors in the background have nice connections like the creative supervisor who did the design work for Wolf's Rain, Eureka Seven, and RahXephon for Bones and the creative producer also apparently works a lot with Bones and was also the main man and director behind Vandread one of my other Gonzo favorites.
I enjoyed hearing Mikako as Rushuna in Grenadier and Amy in Burst Angel, two totally different roles so I look forwards to hearing her in another totally different sounding role here. I've only seen the very beginning of Index and haven't seen much else that Yuka has done despite a large number of shows but Karen looks like an interesting character so I look forwards to it.
But writer Ohnogi Hiroshi (Noein) may be the most intriguing part of this project.
He's put out some great work recently with 18-24 of Macross Frontier as well as the second season of Birdy Decode (which is a massive improvement over the first if anyone gave up on it), looking forward to seeing what he does with the rebooted Full Metal Alchemist series as well as Shangri-la.
I myself will not be shortening the title from Shangri-la, a name that is pretty easy to pronounce and is part of the English language now. It has specific associations from the original 1930s-40s novel and movie Lost Horizon, where it was the name of a hidden paradise in the Himalayas. Calling it "Shang" would be like calling the Philippines "Phil."
Okay, that'll be final from this point onward.
What good timing this show will have, considering that it's gonna be summertime here. :D Will enjoy watching with a glass of iced tea.
DangerMouse
2009-03-18, 11:16
He's put out some great work recently with 18-24 of Macross Frontier as well as the second season of Birdy Decode (which is a massive improvement over the first if anyone gave up on it), looking forward to seeing what he does with the rebooted Full Metal Alchemist series as well as Shangri-la.
Nice, I didn't know he contributed to Frontier and I've been enjoying Birdy. Yeah, I hope he does a good job.
Okay, that'll be final from this point onward.
What good timing this show will have, considering that it's gonna be summertime here. :D Will enjoy watching with a glass of iced tea.
LOL.
So true, it's should be nice :) Additionaly a bunch of the shows I've been following are about to end.
SneakerPimp
2009-03-18, 14:23
The website is now mirrored in English:
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/english/index.html
DangerMouse
2009-03-18, 17:23
The website is now mirrored in English:
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/english/index.html
Cool, I should check that out later tonight. I guess it is indeed going to be streamed with english subs like their other recent shows if they're already putting together the english page.
qmeister
2009-03-18, 18:13
Wow, the English website is nicely done, and I'm seriously hyped about this now. According to the character descriptions and the story summary, it'll be a classic 'underprivileged rebel group versus bourgeois authority' scenario.
Renge Murata's character designs seem to fit a lot better now than when I first saw them.
Also: Tokyo has turned into the world's largest jungle-polis that absorbs carbon dioxide.:heh:
Best of all:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/TheQuestioner/logo.jpg
This show has some...interesting characters. 2 transexuals, a young girl leading a rebel group, another who sounds like Mr. Krabs in loli form.
Renge Murata's character designs seem to fit a lot better now than when I first saw them.
They did the job for me straight away, though i do love seeing the pencil sketches on the English site.
Let's see, now that I'm pleased that they're going bilingual.
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/english/character01.html
18? Kuniko looks 14 to me. :heh:
By the way, this has to be one of the most eclectic bunch of characters since Vandred.
Let's see, now that I'm pleased that they're going bilingual.
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/english/character01.html
18? Kuniko looks 14 to me. :heh:
By the way, this has to be one of the most eclectic bunch of characters since Vandred.
Maybe something that happens to her later on in the series compels them to be upfront with her age now.
It'll be on Crunchyroll
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-03-19/crunchyroll-adds-shangri-la-2-la-corda-doro-anime
It'll be on Crunchyroll
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-03-19/crunchyroll-adds-shangri-la-2-la-corda-doro-anime
Read this a few minutes ago. Good to finally hear something official on the subject.
einhorn303
2009-03-19, 17:00
So, should this thread be moved to the Licensed board now?
<3 Gonzo. I'm glad I'll be able to watch this, the English site makes it sound really good. I've been reading a lot of good SF novels lately (not the weak stuck-in-the-80's mainstream stuff), Robert Reed and Ian McDonald and stuff like that. The anime's source novel seems to be really well in that tradition. A true literary and cutting edge hard SF novel, with carbon markets and nanotech and memetic manipulation and all that.
Saki looks like a nice and moe show, but I'm not sure it'll be able to hold up to this.
So, should this thread be moved to the Licensed board now?
Actually, no. Since the series is still unaired then it remains in the Unaired forum. Once it is aired (on April 5th I believe) then it will be moved to the Licensed forum. Best remind me again around that time and send me a PM :)
DangerMouse
2009-03-20, 01:29
Let's see, now that I'm pleased that they're going bilingual.
http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/english/character01.html
18? Kuniko looks 14 to me. :heh:
By the way, this has to be one of the most eclectic bunch of characters since Vandred.
Vandread spoilers below:
Yeah, Vandread also had one heck of a varied cast and I loved Vandread. All of those crazy characters slowly becoming a relatively cohesive team and working together better as the show continued made for some really good series payoff. The end with the gathering of characters and previous guest characters and surprise characters for the massive stand and huge space battle was another fantastic feature, that might still be my favorite hero gathering finale yet.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2009-03-20/funimation-entertainment-announces-strategic-alliance-with-gdh-for-more-effective-delivery-of-titles-to-north-america
I guess this means Funi has licensed this?
DangerMouse
2009-03-21, 13:31
It's hard to tell whether it's all their future shows or just the ones they consider to be potential "hits," but at the very least I think this means they officially now have first dibs on Gonzo series.
I think it's pretty likely though with all the Gonzo shows that Funimation has done recently and they even license rescued Gonzo's big previous titles like Vandread and the one that has big ties to this Last Exile which they've already announced re-releases for.
My favorite part of that press release was that they explicity mention real releases (DVD/BD style releases) with dubs in the press release in addition to online because one of the most uncertain parts of the recent web-broadcasts for me has been that I still want to be able to own my favorite shows on BD or DVD with both subs and dubs (I like both and it depends who I'm watching with sometimes) and we've not heard a peep about DVD releases for shows that got web broadcasted that I really want to own with real releases like Shikabane Hime and Blassreiter and Sky Girls even if I watch them online on Hulu or whatever. I still want my DVDs and Blu-rays.
stormy001_M1A2
2009-03-21, 16:14
I am not too sure if this series is meant for general audience so I kinda skeptical if it can sell in US market.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2009-03-20/funimation-entertainment-announces-strategic-alliance-with-gdh-for-more-effective-delivery-of-titles-to-north-america
I guess this means Funi has licensed this?
It was already considered licensed.
License Database (http://www.animesuki.com/licensed.php) > Shangri-La (http://www.animesuki.com/licensed.php?browse=sz#539)
ANN report, Crunchyroll Adds Shangri-La, 2 La Corda D'Oro Anime (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-03-19/crunchyroll-adds-shangri-la-2-la-corda-doro-anime)
DangerMouse
2009-03-25, 18:48
I am not too sure if this series is meant for general audience so I kinda skeptical if it can sell in US market.
Judging from what we know of the setting to the visuals and the setup of the show and it's plot, and these types of shows from Gonzo, I think it will definitely be aimed at the main Science Fiction anime audience so I think it can certainly sell in the US.
This anime seems cool. too bad it got licensed so fast though.
wandering-dreamer
2009-03-26, 16:50
This anime seems cool. too bad it got licensed so fast though.
? How is it too bad? Since it'll be on CR that means that you can watch if for free AND support the creators, they don't live off of good comments alone!
Anyway, does anyone know if any subbed commercials have come out? I can't remember seeing any and I want to see more of this anime...
Nada.
That by itself is not a good sign since Saki and Slap Up have raw vids in circulation.
einhorn303
2009-03-26, 20:22
It's weird how Shangri-la has an English page, but Saki doesn't, even though they'll both be airing in the same way and on the same English website.
I guess Gonzo doesn't predict the moe anime, or Chinese tilegame anime, will be as popular as the science fiction anime.
BrokenWingz
2009-03-26, 20:31
It's weird how Shangri-la has an English page, but Saki doesn't, even though they'll both be airing in the same way and on the same English website.
I guess Gonzo doesn't predict the moe anime, or Chinese tilegame anime, will be as popular as the science fiction anime.
its more directed at the different audience perceiving the shows, Saki is more otaku orientated, for example if you read ANN write up on TAF summary you know Saki was the most hype show at their booth. While Shangri-la has an international appeal or at the very least seeking it.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2009-03-21/3
It's weird how Shangri-la has an English page, but Saki doesn't, even though they'll both be airing in the same way and on the same English website.
I guess Gonzo doesn't predict the moe anime, or Chinese tilegame anime, will be as popular as the science fiction anime.
its more directed at the different audience perceiving the shows, Saki is more otaku orientated, for example if you read ANN write up on TAF summary you know Saki was the most hype show at their booth. While Shangri-la has an international appeal or at the very least seeking it.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2009-03-21/3
Only a single poster of Shangri-la hung and that was the fanservice pose. They hyped Druaga, Strike Witches and Saki at the booth from the ANN video. Saki and Slap Up have 2 promo vids out. Shangri-la has none. They prob already know that Shangri-la won't do well in Japan. Shangri-la's only hope is that the Western audiences make up for the Japanese loss.
*just an opinion*
DangerMouse
2009-03-27, 01:14
Shangri-La is the one getting the full first episode premiere in a theater with special guests event though, so I don't know maybe it's easier to show something like Saki at TAF than something potentially more involved and the difference in the type of shows these are.
I agree with the above as to why there's an english page for Shangri-La already, if it turns out to be good it's got a lot of potential international appeal.
stormy001_M1A2
2009-03-27, 14:40
I'm hoping that they keep those undergarment shots to a minimum. If other studios can keep that sort of thing to a minimum and produce a great title then so can Gonzo.
I doubt so since troubled GONZO wants to make $$$$ fast and lots of them. I have a feeling that the panty shots will be liberal to get otakus hook on the series and later on purchase the DVD in frenzy like Strike Witches LE vol 1.
It is easy and surefire way to get otakus to watch it.
I really doubt this is targeting the same audience as Strike Witches... that more what Saki is for...
Crunchyroll Adds Shangri-La, 2 La Corda D'Oro Anime
Oh no, not again this shit. We are expecting QUALITY here again.
You're acting like their won't be hd fansubs floating around...
Actually, I'm not from America and that's why I don't really care about licensing status there. But fansubbers don't like this problems and that's why chances to see a good fansub are a little above zero.
no need for real sub anyway. all it takes is ripping the subtitle track from those ripped from crunchy and a raw. so anyone can do it anyway, in most cases it gets done by some anons in around 24-48 hours anyway.
i'm actually having trouble deciding what to do. in the past i jast watched BOSTs realeases which were fine.
but with crunchy i ofthen find myself downloading the rips cause it looks like shit in the flash player. and then i'm not even sure if i should support them. after all they are not really releasing a product i'm satisfied with.
really troublesome.
Actually, FUNimation may also be involved since they have a deal with GONZO now. It will be interesting to see which titles also get the simultaneous streams on FUNi's websites.
New Megami is out, but no posters from this show. Nuts.
Haohmaru
2009-03-28, 09:44
No posters and no commercials or anything. What the hell is going on here :twitch:
No posters and no commercials or anything. What the hell is going on here :twitch:
Well if it's not good, I'd expect that they wouldn't want advance notice leaking. Speaking of leaks, no one that went to the preview has said anything yet?
Or they could be behind schedule. Saki's CG laden PV prob took some time.
stormy001_M1A2
2009-03-28, 12:15
I believe the some pics are permissible leaks so far. GONZO so far is very tight lipped about this to create excitment or they simply have no money for PR campaign for Shangri-La. Afterall, they just went bust and right now in midst of restructuring so this anime is a victim of the problems afflicting the company right now.
Natsuki Hyuga
2009-03-29, 09:03
Liner notes (http://www.presepe.jp/m44/show/id/Ll9-AoDKcQk%3D) for Shangri-la single is out since 27/3~
「キミシニタモウコトナカレ」
疾走感溢れるロックチューン！詞にはすごく起承転結があるけれど、男らしい強さを出したかったので、歌は最 初から最後まで、あまり抑揚をつけず強いままで歌いました。
「M-Revolution」
キラキラしたサウンドに強い意志を感じる詞をのせ、「キミシニタモウコトナカレ」で戦い歌う女の子の、日常 の素の部分を描きました。「キミシニタモウコトナカレ」と「M-Revolution」は、2つ合わせて一つの作品です。ちなみに、「M-Revolution」の“M”とは、“My（みんな）”と “May’n（私）”を意味します。私にとっての革命は、明るく前向きな歌詞を書けたことかな（ 笑）
As everyone has known, Single will be out at 6/5 :)
? How is it too bad? Since it'll be on CR that means that you can watch if for free AND support the creators, they don't live off of good comments alone!
No, it's bad because unless FUNimation, again breaks the rules made to protect them, they will bar all non-American IPs and the probability to get english subs will drop to zero. But on the other hand, since it's a GONZO show no harm done :heh:
Tempester
2009-03-30, 06:26
But on the other hand, since it's a GONZO show no harm done :heh:
I don't think it'll be that bad. Shangri-La looks to be Gonzo's most epic anime in a while. Plus since I recently watched Last Exile and enjoyed it, the same character designer (Murata Range) will be more than welcome in this show. This, along with Strike Witches, could very well sweep Gonzo out of their self-dug ditch.
BluWacky
2009-03-30, 06:34
I don't think it'll be that bad. Shangri-La looks to be Gonzo's most epic anime in a while. Plus since I recently watched Last Exile and enjoyed it, the same character designer (Murata Range) will be more than welcome in this show. This, along with Strike Witches, could very well sweep Gonzo out of their self-dug ditch.
I think GONZO are clearly trying to evoke memories of Last Exile by using the same character designer.
Buuuuut realistically, what difference does that make to the show's actual quality? It's all down to the source material, the writer, the actors, the animators etc. - we so rarely see truly hideous character designs that they never really have much of an impact on the show itself. The only other key staff member who worked on Last Exile is the sound director, which at least suggests the acting will be half decent (I very much enjoyed a lot of the performances in LE).
I don't think these are all necessarily bad things - I think Hiroshi Ohnogi's an excellent screenwriter, and I don't have a problem with Makoto Bessho as director - but there's no real reason to link the two shows despite GONZO's intent.
(besides, who apart from otaku will even remember Last Exile exists? It's a pretty minor footnote in anime history now)
The only other key staff member who worked on Last Exile is the sound director, which at least suggests the acting will be half decent (I very much enjoyed a lot of the performances in LE).
Hmm, Hitomi Kuroishi is doing musicks for this show, and she was/is part of Dolce Triade who did LAST EXILE musicks.
A trailer (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/img/10_pv/player.swf?movie=cm_01.flv) is available !
Blue-kun
2009-03-31, 08:28
About time we got a trailer.
Anyway, impressions: Animation is looking very nice, smooth and all. On the other hand, I can't help but feel skeptical about it since it IS Gonzo we're talking about, so chances are quality will go down the hole pretty fast. Well, maybe it's just me worrying too much, so here's hoping.
As for the song, I guess it's your typical May'n stuff, which may or may not please some people. As for me, personally, I think it'll work just fine and if the OP montage is cool I'm sure I'll dig it even more.
well, just a few days left now. Looking forward to it.
Oh nice, animation looks to be very good but considering it's a 15 sec cm it should lol... liking the sound of the May'n OP as well.
Who knew a boomerang could destroy a tank?
stormy001_M1A2
2009-03-31, 09:55
What kinda tank are those? Made in China?
aardvark
2009-03-31, 10:11
So, the entire OP sequence leaked due to a fuckup with the website
There is a lot of really Rubbish CG backgrounds. Song is lame too (then I again I hated this singer in Macross F).
qmeister
2009-03-31, 10:26
What kinda tank are those? Made in China?
Hmm... those aren't Main Battle Tanks. If you look closely, they've got eight wheels and no treads, and I thought the turret was a bit high the first time I watched it. Seems more like an infantry fighting vehicle.
Possibly a mashup of the M2 Bradley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Bradley) and the Stryker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker). But it also has a bigger main gun.
Also the boomerang may be a guided projectile made of some really tough modern material. (I'm thinking carbon nanotubes?)
Full OP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfl2ykS8Bg0
Full OP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfl2ykS8Bg0
Nice. I like it.
Blue-kun
2009-03-31, 11:15
Funny how the animation on the trailer was taken from the OP. Guess it's a nice way to make people think that the animation on the show itself will be pretty smooth and <stuff>, haha.
Anyway, nice song, nice montage, I like the OP :3
stormy001_M1A2
2009-03-31, 14:14
The baddie (which I assume to be) looks like the baddie from Last EXILE. Hmmmm.
DangerMouse
2009-03-31, 14:45
About time we got a trailer.
Anyway, impressions: Animation is looking very nice, smooth and all. On the other hand, I can't help but feel skeptical about it since it IS Gonzo we're talking about, so chances are quality will go down the hole pretty fast. Well, maybe it's just me worrying too much, so here's hoping.
As for the song, I guess it's your typical May'n stuff, which may or may not please some people. As for me, personally, I think it'll work just fine and if the OP montage is cool I'm sure I'll dig it even more.
well, just a few days left now. Looking forward to it.
I agree with pretty much everything. I think there's nothing wrong with being skeptical given Gonzo recent series. Perhaps it will be hidden better like some of the better shows out there with good art and a skilled director with Ishii and Bessho involved. I know they will probably go for a few gorgeous sequences but it would be a nice surprise if they spread out the budget well for an overall solid feel. If they go that route I suppose it will depend on whether this is intended a showpiece for the hardcore like some of their classics or something else. I love the animation style atleast which is a good start.
So, the entire OP sequence leaked due to a fuckup with the website
There is a lot of really Rubbish CG backgrounds. Song is lame too (then I again I hated this singer in Macross F).
Liked the OP. The color design is wonderful with surprisingly rich colors. The environments looks nice with some rather nicely detailed art of the forest-covered buildings and water shots throughout the OP and the montage was good with some rather nice camera angles and I liked the style of world and it's characters. Obviously it remains to be seen how it holds up over the course of many real episodes.
Unless it's done really badly this complaint coming up for many series is getting a bit tiresome, atleast when the CG is done well and fits shows with a bigger scale since CG is here to stay no matter any complaints and every studio is using it more and more now. Plus this is a Gonzo show, so you knew there'd be CG even before we saw any footage at all and it looks good and fits the world so whatever.
I like the OP song, rather surprisingly, it's faster like the couple of songs from Frontier I enjoyed from her rather than the slower ones which are the majority of her songs that I've heard.
To the comment of looking forwards to Ishii's work and particularly the faces, good call, I really like the style of how they are animating the main girl and in motion she looks quite Murata-like (like LE) as do the other LE-style characters like the tech girl, that young soldier and the white haired Dio-like girl, even if it's OP animation the style of how they are doing her should be similar. The older man is going to be awesome judging from his shot in the vehicle, cool design, glad to see it looks like he'll be in on the action I hope.
I hope the show turns out solid.
einhorn303
2009-03-31, 15:59
I've seen some people complain about the CGI, but I think it looks quite nice to me.
Also, the exploding tanks thing is less unrealistic than people would think. Watch a documentary on Depleted Uranium shells, as were used in the first Gulf War...they make tanks explode on contact just like that. It's really quite spectacular.
Watch 2:35 to 2:55:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPSNsRuLaX8
qmeister
2009-03-31, 16:04
Also, the exploding tanks thing is less unrealistic than people would think. Watch a documentary on Depleted Uranium shells, as were used in the first Gulf War...they make tanks explode on contact just like that. It's really quite spectacular.
That's only because depleted uranium (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Ammunition) is pyrophoric (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Pyrophoric). A boomerang will not make a tank explode (regardless of what it's made of), since it is clearly shown returning to the user. Here is where we must suspend our disbelief, obviously.
wandering-dreamer
2009-03-31, 18:28
Full OP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfl2ykS8Bg0
Well the song seemed nice, but I couldn't hep but think that I saw like three drag queens in there. Not what I was expecting :heh:
PEDOS_GRANDE
2009-03-31, 18:52
I've seen some people complain about the CGI, but I think it looks quite nice to me.
Also, the exploding tanks thing is less unrealistic than people would think. Watch a documentary on Depleted Uranium shells, as were used in the first Gulf War...they make tanks explode on contact just like that. It's really quite spectacular.
Watch 2:35 to 2:55:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPSNsRuLaX8
How the F is a parked tank going to blow up when its barrel is cleaved off, though? its just a piece of metal. The boomerang thing isnt blowing up, its cutting through metal, so its not igniting anything. Go Go anime physics!
I've seen some people complain about the CGI, but I think it looks quite nice to me.
Also, the exploding tanks thing is less unrealistic than people would think. Watch a documentary on Depleted Uranium shells, as were used in the first Gulf War...they make tanks explode on contact just like that. It's really quite spectacular.
Watch 2:35 to 2:55:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPSNsRuLaX8
So that girl has a DU knife? awesome.
einhorn303
2009-03-31, 19:21
That's only because depleted uranium (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Ammunition) is pyrophoric (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Pyrophoric). A boomerang will not make a tank explode (regardless of what it's made of), since it is clearly shown returning to the user. Here is where we must suspend our disbelief, obviously.
Well, it's science fiction, and also, based on a SF novel. Of course the TV anime can't explain everything that happens in full scientific detail; that would bore the anime audience, who aren't interested in scientific speculation.
For example, let's say the boomerang is actually a small military drone that was created by a Russian company to sell to Middle Eastern militants in countries that've been buffeted by small scale nuclear attacks. It fires extremely small DU bullets on a nano-scale. It's also designed to independently scavenge through war sites and industrial wreckage, so it always resupplies it's own fuel, a perfect tool for anti-government militants hiding out in the desserts. It was frequently used by the less educated or child soldiers, where it earned the misleadingly innocent nickname of "boomerang," a nickname that stuck.
Novels can explain all this sort of background, anime can't.
well, this looks interesting... I'm just going to be careful due to GONZO working on it. However, Druaga was pretty good, so maybe GONZO is slowly getting back up to standards?
but I do have one problem with this: even though it's covered in vines, Tokyo tower isn't sunk!
Well the song seemed nice, but I couldn't hep but think that I saw like three drag queens in there. Not what I was expecting :heh:
No, I recall the site says there are in fact drag queens on the main cast.
BrokenWingz
2009-03-31, 22:41
well, this looks interesting... I'm just going to be careful due to GONZO working on it. However, Druaga was pretty good, so maybe GONZO is slowly getting back up to standards?
but I do have one problem with this: even though it's covered in vines, Tokyo tower isn't sunk!
Unless you've read the source, what will you be comparing it too ^^,
... basically, I'm going to be seeing how much GONZO does fanservice vs. plot
outside of Druaga, most of their recent stuff has been bad- R+V and Dragonauts, for example
BrokenWingz
2009-03-31, 22:57
... basically, I'm going to be seeing how much GONZO does fanservice vs. plot
outside of Druaga, most of their recent stuff has been bad- R+V and Dragonauts, for example
Saw the OP while I'm not a fan of the Shirely its a nice song.... lol, what else to say? I don't think anyone here is expecting fanservice when you have Range Murata doing the character designs.
Bad? yes they are bad but you've like listed 2 shows out of Gonzo's entire work collection.
... for your personal rant... it's not that it's two works of GONZO, it's their most recent works that I'm trying to point out. Sure, GONZO has a bunch of other anime that's good (Kiddy Grade, Chrno Crusade, for example), but as of most recent, minus Druaga, their quality has been dropping.
BrokenWingz
2009-03-31, 23:58
I was hoping it would be conceal when you reply because it’s nonsensical to continue talking about it in public. As I was saying if you're expecting a degree of fan service than I don't think Shangrila will have want you supposedly believe it might have. If you want to highlight quality or consistency that’s a fine opinion I can rationalise with.
... for your personal rant... it's not that it's two works of GONZO, it's their most recent works that I'm trying to point out. Sure, GONZO has a bunch of other anime that's good (Kiddy Grade, Chrno Crusade, for example), but as of most recent, minus Druaga, their quality has been dropping.
What magically makes Kiddy Grade better than Seto no Hanayame, Strike Witches and Kurogane no Linebarrels? Aside from Dragonauts I think Gonzo have been ranging fro mgood to so-so in the last few years... which is pretty much what they have always been at. I certainly prefer their output over the last few years over say... Xebec (To Love Ru, Kanokon, Heroic Age). Sure Gonzo aren't releasing bunches of quality shows... but if you ask me they never did in the first place.
wandering-dreamer
2009-04-01, 18:41
No, I recall the site says there are in fact drag queens on the main cast.
Oh good, I was really worried that I was seeing things, thanks for clearing that up!
What magically makes Kiddy Grade better than Seto no Hanayame, Strike Witches and Kurogane no Linebarrels? Aside from Dragonauts I think Gonzo have been ranging fro mgood to so-so in the last few years... which is pretty much what they have always been at. I certainly prefer their output over the last few years over say... Xebec (To Love Ru, Kanokon, Heroic Age). Sure Gonzo aren't releasing bunches of quality shows... but if you ask me they never did in the first place.
I didn't realize that SnH was done by GONZO... as for the other two, Strike Witches I'm debating on seeing, and I haven't gotten around to KnL. Though I guess my thing for Gonzo is that a friend once told that Gonzo is pretty reliable (well, at least he liked a lot of their stuff, mostly due to Kiddy grade and Burst Angel... then again, I have to remember what his tatstes are...), but otherwise, I should've mentioned that I have a pretty huge issue with GONZO for taking one of my favorite manga and completely butchering it... i.e., Rosario to Vampire. And also... Heroic Age is one of my favorite anime, and the other two.. well, I'd better not talk about them because people will come at me with pitchfork and torches
But shangri-la looks like it's going to be good... though the drag queens are now scaring me...
Guardian Enzo
2009-04-01, 22:30
Gonzo gives good trailer. There's no question they're trying for a Last Exile vibe here, which is logical since that's the best series they've ever done. But the premise of this one just doesn't grab me, somehow.
New trailer (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/img/10_pv/player.swf?movie=cm_02.flv).
einhorn303
2009-04-03, 12:57
CrunchyRoll's updated with the air time of the first episode: 9:00 PM on Sunday April 5th.
Interestingly, they also have a message from the directo:
"You might find SHANGRI-LA a little different from the GONZO animes you’ve known. I am sure it’s a show anyone can enjoy, so I hope you watch it to feel the messages we have put in."
Hmm.
In a sense that's a really bad time for me, since Saki is also on Sunday...plus the other two American shows I'm already watching, Flapjack and Tim & Eric Awesome Show. Having a giant, media-intensive TV day on Sunday, right before I have to get a good sleep and rest up for classes...orz. My knowledge of Political Science may suffer, but at least my knowledge of mahjong will increase.
DangerMouse
2009-04-03, 18:34
New trailer (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/img/10_pv/player.swf?movie=cm_02.flv).
Nice, got a little bit of the action scene from the sample images from the blog in there, can't wait to see that scene. Also, nice part where she surprise attacks the two soldiers :) While obviously episode footage picked for a trailer the animation looks nice and dynamic IMO with the sweet art style coming through nicely and now it's actual episode material as well as the OP. Hopefully they put forth a great effort, there's too much potential here for an interesting and exciting show.
The first new tidbit I noticed in the trailer that was previously unknown, Kuniko appears to be wearing some kind of prison clothes or something like that before changing to the school uniform, interesting, maybe has to do with how she ends up joining the fight.
The surprise kiss of that soldier is probably going to be a great comedy moment no doubt lol
WTF? She can fly on the boomerang? Is there anything it can't do?
LET ME FIX THIS UP FOR YOU
The surprise kiss of that soldier is probably going to be great HORROR moment no doubt lol
jk XD
DangerMouse
2009-04-03, 20:24
LOL.
Only about 2 days to go.
Official site updated with an OP movie (http://www.anime-shangri-la.jp/img/10_pv/player.swf?movie=op.flv). Really nice OP. May'n FTW!
Also, Japanese ep1 preview streaming for the show is already ended (http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/preview/shangri-la/).
Aww i want full OP song now :D
qmeister
2009-04-04, 16:15
Hmm... the first episode is moderately interesting...
So there's this girl (almost a loli) who gets released from prison, she meets a drag queen, a fat girl and a burly man.
They take her back to this lower class area where they all live. Yeah, that town with the chimneys (they are chimneys... how boring) is entirely a slum, overshadowed by this big tower. There's a history lesson for the girl given by the token old woman. Some stuff bout global warming and chemistry.
Girl runs off from lesson, she seems to be fairly well-known among the townspeople.
(I'm guessing) the main antagonist shows up, a busty woman with an army of butlers... Some shouting.
Heterochromic loli and her gang show up and blow up this car with two people from the big tower in it. (They don't die, they get captured or something...)
Cut to another loli (who has a Pokemon or something) in negotiations over carbon emission transactions, (I'm quite sure of this) interesting to see the economics. This industrialist guy buys some quota from the slum town.
Back to the first loli, some idiot decides to light up the furnaces and in so doing has gone over the quota since it was bought by the above mentioned industrialist.
The big tower sends some choppers and AFVs to teach them a lesson. The loli and her people talk about the 'Metal Edge (Age?)', I think it may be the boomerang... The drag queen turns out to be a fan of Indiana Jones (i.e. uses whip). The drag queen and the loli save this random dude who was going to get killed by the soldiers.
This guy who is obviously a main characters is in command of the soldiers. After getting shot at and such, the loli and the drag queen make quick work of most of the soldiers. (Massive laughs because the soldiers are all stupidly homophobic.) The guy in charge is able to stop the loli's boomerang with a cool looking knife. END.
I'll probably give it the three episode treatment before deciding. I like the colour scheme used, can't say much about the animation as of yet. Voice acting... no one really stood out to me, but I was just trying to keep up with the plot so I can't say. OP and ED are okay, fairly generic.
That's all for now.
Cat Megex
2009-04-04, 22:37
Oh yeah, can somebody figure out who Momoko is voiced by? The voice is familiar, but the name isn't listed in the credits. (Instead, we get three hearts.)
DangerMouse
2009-04-04, 22:40
I believe Metal-Age is the name of the guerrilla group.
I'm finding the OP rather addictive and not particularly generic as I've gone back to it a few times already, haven't heard the ED yet but I'm not a big ED fan most of the time as it's usually slow stuff. 00's second ED from season 1 is the only recent end theme I can think of at the moment that I've particularly listened to a few times, then again that ED and the season 1 second OP were some of the better OP/ED combos I thought of the season.
qmeister
2009-04-04, 22:56
Ah, that's an interesting name, better than some of the guerrilla groups we have these days. :D
About the OP, once you've watched Macross Frontier enough, that singing voice just won't sound as good anymore.
DangerMouse
2009-04-04, 23:00
Oh yeah, can somebody figure out who Momoko is voiced by? The voice is familiar, but the name isn't listed in the credits. (Instead, we get three hearts.)
According to the Akibanana.com blog, they are apparently running a quiz to guess those two voice actors. The hint Bessho apparently gave out at the TAF Shangri-La event was something like "In the names of both of the voice actors, the size of a thing is included."
Ah, that's an interesting name, better than some of the guerrilla groups we have these days. :D
About the OP, once you've watched Macross Frontier enough, that singing voice just won't sound as good anymore.
I can understand that, it hasn't been that long since Frontier and that show played songs almost all the time and it's pretty similar to her faster Frontier songs obviously. I'd probably agree if the OP had been more like one of the slow songs she did in it that I usually get burnt out on fast, but her voice is good and the music part really works for me, that main guitar (?) running throughout it is really nice.
DangerMouse
2009-04-04, 23:26
Oh man, I'm probably going to wait till tomorrow before watching all the way through but the main music, oh yes, much of it would not be out of place in Last Exile.
The orchestral stuff throughout and for example the action/climax piece heavy on the trumpets/brass towards the end of the episode in particular is kind of like the pieces that played during the Silvana action in LE. Great stuff.
Quick thoughts from skimming:
Love the animation style, I'm totally down with the art design and color scheme (look forwards to seeing it with better video). Several positive early signs, the solid feel of the the way the show is animated/drawn/directed reminds me of good Gonzo productions that tend to have a more weighty vibrant feel to their animation rather than smoother but softer, with some gorgeous animated sequences spread throughout rather than breaking the bank on just one super-smooth showpiece scene, with the rest solidly animated with vibrant art and Ishii's excellent "smaller" character-animation and I think this is a particularly good sign, those are some pretty sweet backgrounds especially of the rundown and paint-chipped buildings/structures in the low class area and natural places.
The industrial environments like the furnace is nice like the interior of the Last Exile battleships or Murata industrial time period locations in style. Personally I liked the extra shading style of the CG tanks, they feel more richly colored than straight CG, and the outside of the tower looks very good while the atmospheric interior has some very nice classy CG areas along with some cold corridors that perhaps could use more detail but that always seems to be an issue in hi-tech sterile corridors that are typical of science fiction. And it was great how she was stopping the boomerang by kicking it with her foot on return, and funny when it hurt the second time. Extremely interesting when the resonance of the special weapons caused a massive attack from the sky surprising both sides even seemingly a member of the army from the tower. Even without knowing the dialogue I already think I'll like Kuniko, love the activeness and how she doesn't seem to be/sound annoying, and of course the very Murata design :). Could be an excellent action heroine.
Now if Ohnogi can pull off something good.
DangerMouse
2009-04-05, 04:14
A little mini-rant after reading the first blog post I've seen about the show that feels like Gonzo hate rather than making much sense (though there are a lot of pessimistic posts on most shows there lol) though they are certainly welcome to their opinion of course:
I'm sure since it didn't do anything overly shocking or happen to be perfect and throws in a little comedy with the drag queen scaring the grunt soldiers instead of taking them out with ease with the whip in the last action scene rather than being overly tense against the grunts until the end when it gets suitably tense/mysterious (I can understand a little nitpicking about the crazy lipstick in the middle of the battle but it's a decently humorous character moment and barely 3-sec of the run-time, I don't particularly like this stuff at least when the enemy isn't show "on screen" to be moving in during it but I can let it slide for the moment when we're just getting to know the characters, it got suitably tense when she faced someone who poses a threat) it'll get nitpicked due to all the rampant Gonzo hate rather than substantial criticisms of the actual show by some people. I've already seen one complaint about the negotiations/politics about carbon emissions despite the setting being after massive global warming, it's hardly pounding the issue to address it once in the first episode (it also didn't seem to be particularly heavy-handed even). Nor do I find it particularly generic or throwing in everything but the kitchen sink just because it has a character like Leeron from Gurren Lagann or a cute girl main character whose personality atleast from the way she speaks/acts and how those around her act towards her is already surprisingly better and more like-able (not to mention neither arrogantly bratty nor wishy-washy) than most female leads in action shows.
I'm not saying the show is going to be good or that everyone's going to like it or that it won't deserve some good criticism (the lipstick moment) but I hope we'll see some mostly show specific criticism from most of the blogs. :)
GONZO hate is one of the strongest forces in the anime fandom, funnily enough a thing shared by both the western fandom as well as the Japanese fandom, trying to talk to people about being fair to gonzo is about the same as fighting windmills..
then again I do that myself from time to time so who am I to talk XDD
qmeister
2009-04-05, 04:25
I think the second time she tried to use her foot, it hit her calf.
I'm loving the palette used as well, and the overall design of everything is pleasing. Some backdrops and architecture is a bit odd, but then the entire concept of the show is a bit odd.
In terms of environmental heavy-handed-ness, at least it isn't the new Day the Earth Stood Still...
DangerMouse
2009-04-05, 04:53
I think the second time the tried to use her foot, it hit her calf.
I'm loving the palette used as well, and the overall design of everything is pleasing. Some backdrops and architecture is a bit odd, but then the entire concept of the show is a bit odd.
Yup, took a peak, you're right it did :P
DangerMouse
2009-04-05, 05:27
GONZO hate is one of the strongest forces in the anime fandom, funnily enough a thing shared by both the western fandom as well as the Japanese fandom, trying to talk to people about being fair to gonzo is about the same as fighting windmills..
then again I do that myself from time to time so who am I to talk XDD
That is true, Sunrise is starting to get that too on their big shows with fandom bringing their hate of one Sunrise show into another etc.... I may be a bit biased as a big Gundam fan who loved 00 and since I thought it was the first good Gundam in ages, since I didn't like the Seed-verse, but 00 was good enough that I think even the haters don't have much leg to stand on for rating it below atleast respectable.
Also I like how it's too Sunrise/cliche that much of the main cast actually surprisingly survived when it's actually not the norm for a Gundam series so FMA's Mizushima actually pulled off a bit of a nice surprise of how the final battles went in my opinion since most Gundam shows kill off over half the cast during the final arc and I certainly had more characters that I thought were going to bite it for sure. You just can't win sometimes.
Haruyasha
2009-04-05, 05:57
Well... the animation is great and all.. but I was yawning a bit at the story.. it's nothing too spectacular.. just the same old cliched crap I've seen dozens of times before along with the oh so overdone heterochromia desu eyes. (Yes.. like we haven't seen that one many million times.. -.-) The crossdressing guy(s) also killed this for me the moment I saw him. If that was supposed to be a joke, it's not funny. The reason I say guy(s) is because I could not tell if that fat woman was a girl.. voice is too deep..
DangerMouse
2009-04-05, 07:06
Well... the animation is great and all.. but I was yawning a bit at the story.. it's nothing too spectacular.. just the same old cliched crap I've seen dozens of times before along with the oh so overdone heterochromia desu eyes. (Yes.. like we haven't seen that one many million times.. -.-) The crossdressing guy(s) also killed this for me the moment I saw him. If that was supposed to be a joke, it's not funny. The reason I say guy(s) is because I could not tell if that fat woman was a girl.. voice is too deep..
Hmmm, yeah the fat one probably is mainly for jokes since I guess he/she's just a friend of Kuniko and Momoko so probably more or less just a supporting character, but the main character one is not there just as a joke nor meant to only be funny (except in the moments where they have fun with it like with the soldiers freaking out), whether it's funny there or not is up to you heh. Nothing to say about that character really, Momoko on the other hand was pretty good as a rather unique background for a parental/guardian like figure for Kuniko, who the site says she's had to raise. They're probably both voiced by guys lol. Having just watched Gurren Lagann, they made Leeron both hilarious and good for drama in that show.
Capric0rn
2009-04-05, 14:02
Does anyone know who's subbing this anime?
Does anyone know who's subbing this anime?
Crunchyroll.
Capric0rn
2009-04-05, 14:18
I want to be able to download it :p
einhorn303
2009-04-05, 15:14
I want to be able to download it :p
Yes, and I want to have sex with Lynette Bishop.
But that's not likely to happen.
achirist
2009-04-05, 15:17
Actually, yes, there are some groups who distribute anime that happens to appear on crunchyroll for download; whether some people like or agree with that or not, it is likely to happen.
Proudleaf
2009-04-05, 20:58
I just saw the first episode and...
I'm not really impressed. :heh:
A large portion of the episode was filled with dull exposition and banal dialogue. Even the moments that were supposed to evoke humor seemed forced and crass (Gonzo, I don't enjoy the urge to ridicule someone for their appearance, so stop suggesting it). Maybe I'm just being jaded, but everything I saw just seemed too typical.
On the other hand, the backgrounds were very rich for the most part, and the world seems to be in an interesting state of affairs.
It's ORIGIN the TV series. Noooooooooo.
They recycled that pesky airhead girl from ORIGIN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5488) (Minka) as the lead. More heavy handed ecological messages too.
Range Murata (http://www.pseweb.com/) should sue GONZO for those character designs
Episode 1 has left a scar so deep that I'm about to watch Skip Beat! to erase any memory of it. :heh:
this anime is actually quite amusing (with or without GONZO), even if only for the scenery porn.
i thought the main character was designed by Yoshitomi Akihito (BLUE DROP), and the other by (gasp!) CLAMP.
the okama part is especially lulz.
Proudleaf
2009-04-05, 21:26
It's ORIGIN the TV series. Noooooooooo.
They recycled that pesky airhead girl from ORIGIN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5488) (Minka) as the lead. More heavy handed ecological messages too.
Range Murata should sue GONZO for those character designs
Episode 1 has left a scar so deep that I'm about to watch Skip Beat! to erase any memory of it. :heh:
Wow, I totally did not think of comparing this with Origins, but your exactly right. Ughhhhhhhhhh. :uhoh:
The sad thing is that I was actually very interested in this production up until now and not very interested in Beetrain's Requiem for the Phantom. The situation has changed. :heh:
this anime is actually quite amusing (with or without GONZO), even if only for the scenery porn.
i thought the main character was designed by Yoshitomi Akihito (BLUE DROP), and the other by (gasp!) CLAMP.
the okama part is especially lulz.
Nah, character designer (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10246) is Range Murata. Hence, the nightmare I had while viewing ep. 1. My eyes, my eyes.... :heh:
Celestial Kitsune
2009-04-05, 21:49
Episode 1 Screenshots (http://celestialkitsune.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/shangri-la-anime-episode-1-lolis-at-war/).
Eh, give it a chance folks. How many good anime have had crappy first episodes? Tons.
But we were hyped for a Last Exile and got Dragonaut. :heh:
Seriously, why does the title feel the need to have a transvestite sexually assault a trooper? They're in the middle of a battle. Hormones should have been the last thing on his mind. Don't get me going on about that boomerang that can cleave rifle barrels. The Imperial Army troopers also appear to be in this title.
They should have a tranvestite alarm system for anime. The likelihood of suckage is related to the number of transvestites in a title and the studio.
And all is right in the world after I watched ep. 25 of Skip Beat! .
DangerMouse
2009-04-05, 22:39
It's ORIGIN the TV series. Noooooooooo.
They recycled that pesky airhead girl from ORIGIN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5488) (Minka) as the lead. More heavy handed ecological messages too.
Range Murata (http://www.pseweb.com/) should sue GONZO for those character designs
Episode 1 has left a scar so deep that I'm about to watch Skip Beat! to erase any memory of it. :heh:
Wow, I totally did not think of comparing this with Origins, but your exactly right. Ughhhhhhhhhh. :uhoh:
The sad thing is that I was actually very interested in this production up until now and not very interested in Beetrain's Requiem for the Phantom. The situation has changed. :heh:
Huh? I still don't understand this at all from the few people that have said it, it's like they didn't even watch the show and just looked at a screenshot. Other than the grass-covered buildings how is it anything like Origin?
The main character and her group aren't even fighting for nature at all which was the whole premise of Origin... nor is there any mysticism about merging with nature or anything even remotely like that, this is nothing at all like it so far. The old lady was even telling her how old books while destroying trees were a great and important resource basically the total opposite of what Origin would have preached with it's environmentalism instead of that of the benefits of an industrial product that requires the obvious.
I just don't see the similarity beyond the visual element of grass-covered buildings and the world experiencing global warming with seemingly FAR less drastic results. The environment isn't even the source of the conflict and plot. How is this anything like Origin whose entire plot revolved exclusively around the environment?
BrokenWingz
2009-04-05, 23:19
I believe in context Shangrila is opting for an opposite reason behind the theme rather living with nature itself. From the episode itself industrialization and the wealth generated are more applicable and typical represented of human nature of today’s world, it is still only the middle of the 21st century.
I’m less reluctant in discussing the physics of the boomerang because from the looks of the episode it looks quite special. With an ability to slice tanks and clash with an heirloom sword which seems to be in procession by leaders of each organization. I simply believe there is an element of mystery or the purpose of such item has a higher order of existences not known to man.
Eh, give it a chance folks. How many good anime have had crappy first episodes? Tons.
Well I certainly enjoyed the pacing I don't know which part you are referring to? The bigger picture has yet to come and not everything can be cool or slick to tempt viewers like some shounen series.
The main character and her group aren't even fighting for nature at all which was the whole premise of Origin... nor is there any mysticism about merging with nature or anything even remotely like that, this is nothing at all like it so far. The old lady was even telling her how old books while destroying trees were a great and important resource basically the total opposite of what Origin would have preached with it's environmentalism instead of that of the benefits of an industrial product that requires the obvious.
I just don't see the similarity beyond the visual element of grass-covered buildings and the world experiencing global warming with seemingly FAR less drastic results. The environment isn't even the source of the conflict and plot. How is this anything like Origin whose entire plot revolved exclusively around the environment?
Forestation encroaching on civilization with a heavy dose of ecological sermons. Also a group fighting against the forestation while status quo wants to live with it. Not to mention the Minka-esque protagonist. Don't forget the above normal powered protagonists. The forest may not be sentient but this is an ORIGIN sibling imo.
Also, if we were going to get Kurenai-esque designs instead of Murata (eyes are a little too far apart), then they shouldn't have hired Murata in the first place.
Well I certainly enjoyed the pacing I don't know which part you are referring to? The bigger picture has yet to come and not everything can be cool or slick to tempt viewers like some shounen series.
I think you misunderstand me. Everyone is trashing it because the first episode was "crappy". Hence me saying, "give it a chance". Judging by the studio and the people who are working on this, there's a pretty decent chance this will develop into a good series.
If you stopped watching an anime because it's first episode didn't blow you away, then you probably wouldn't finish very many anime. In my opinion, it's rare to have an anime with a good first episode.
I picture it like when I write an essay. I always suck at the introductions so I bs my way through it but then after that I settle in and can say what I want to.
Proudleaf
2009-04-06, 00:25
I think you misunderstand me. Everyone is trashing it because the first episode was "crappy". Hence me saying, "give it a chance". Judging by the studio and the people who are working on this, there's a pretty decent chance this will develop into a good series.
If you stopped watching an anime because it's first episode didn't blow you away, then you probably wouldn't finish very many anime. In my opinion, it's rare to have an anime with a good first episode.
I picture it like when I write an essay. I always suck at the introductions so I bs my way through it but then after that I settle in and can say what I want to.
But there's the problem man: if everyone followed the formula that you do, then how can one guarantee the same degree of success for each individual person? Creating a great impression upon first viewing should be something that one should strive for, don't you agree?
Look, the production values are obviously high and the art design is appealing for the most part, so there's a lot going for the series. But, given the fact that I don't always have a lot of time on my hands it's much easier for me to follow a series when that series leaves a great impression right from the start.
tl;dr I'll probably stick with watching this for a few episodes given that only a few things I've seen so far have caught my eye this season. :heh:
defenitly going to track this show, very gooood.
DangerMouse
2009-04-06, 02:01
Forestation encroaching on civilization with a heavy dose of ecological sermons. Also a group fighting against the forestation while status quo wants to live with it. Not to mention the Minka-esque protagonist. Don't forget the above normal powered protagonists. The forest may not be sentient but this is an ORIGIN sibling imo.
Also, if we were going to get Kurenai-esque designs instead of Murata (eyes are a little too far apart), then they shouldn't have hired Murata in the first place.
Again, Metal-Age is not fighting the forestation, they are fighting government oppression, the forestation is just the trigger that has lead to this situation since it limits where the people can live in relatively modern industrial fashion and they are essentially treated like a lower class and not being permitted into Atlas and the people want to live in modern fashion completely the opposite of the in synch with nature people of Origin. As you can see when the Atlas army shows up in the city towards the end of the episode the people do not want to live with the status quo, even a civilian is almost ready to stand up against the oppression until the soldiers draw their guns, the city and Metal-Age's fight for the city is not about nature it's about the people. In fact in terms of the topic the old lady talking to Kuniko says that Metal-Age (the "hero group") would be against the government's extreme limitation/quotas of carbon dioxide emissions (greenhouse gasses), and therefore the quota on the allowable amount to burn in a given amount of time in a given place and as burning carbon is forcibly limited and yet vital for industrial production such privileges of burning more can be bought or sold on the market with various factors adjusting the price like quality and amount your county wishes to burn which is the rather believable "carbon market," which has also created a haves and have-nots situation being imposed on the various countries of the world so as they are against this extreme regulation basically they are pro-technology and for example cutting down trees to make important things like books and stuff, can you get more opposite than Origin's environmentalist sermons? Kunihito's way of celebrating Kuniko's release is to light a furnace! Atlas is not aiming for a return to nature either, neither side is, unlike the plot of Origin.
Minka-esque, don't see that really, they are both energetic and liked around town and have short hair but Kuniko as a total action heroine has a totally different personality and way she acts when stuff happens so far IMO.
Above normal athleticism yes, "superpowered like a super-seiyan, like Origin" no.
How is Kuniko not clearly a Murata design even in animation form? Sure it's an adapted one but she's pretty similar to the adapted designs in Last Exile which nobody said didn't feel like Murata designs. Over half the cast look like typical Murata designs. You can't get much more distinctly Murata than Kuniko, Kunihito and Takehiko not to mention Karin and Mukuni (and Kunihito) who are close to dead ringers for Murata Last Exile designs.
But we were hyped for a Last Exile and got Dragonaut. :heh:
No, just no. We were never hyped for Last Exile --- i mean why would i hype myself just because it's by the same studio and Range character designs? Just reading the summary, and one can tell both shows are extremely different.
& Dragonaut bad? Please. The plot right from the start in that show was pretty bad, though i don't see what the problem here is.
There wasn't much wrong with the first episode --- it's a set-up. Questions were made straight away, and i don't expect to find out all the answers straight away.
This anime series took me by interest (the fact that May'n sang the OP is just a tasty bonus). Let's see how Gonzo will fare with this..
Come on, you're watching Sci-fi, you can't expect them to explain everything from the very beginning. (oh hi, Touma)
I thought the first episode was pretty straightforward; it shows all the world settings, factions, characters, and everything just enough for the full understanding of the series later on. Apart from few inconsistent BGMs, I thought it was a pretty decent episode.
Oh, and the ending is awesome. As expected from Kuroishi Hitomi.
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How is Kuniko not clearly a Murata design even in animation form? Sure it's an adapted one but she's pretty similar to the adapted designs in Last Exile which nobody said didn't feel like Murata designs. Over half the cast look like typical Murata designs. You can't get much more distinctly Murata than Kuniko, Kunihito and Takehiko not to mention Karin and Mukuni (and Kunihito) who are close to dead ringers for Murata Last Exile designs.
Those sermons were pretty evident with the CO trader. Metal Age fighting forestation is a part of the synopsis. The status quo is pro-forestation. The status quo in ORIGIN was forestation. The sermons were "Lets all get along. Too much industrialism is bad". Similar sermons. It's just that the protagonists are in the opposite camp this time.
Above normal athleticism was a trait of Minka and the citizens living in the border area.
The eyes are more off in the anime version compared to Range Murata designs. It can be seen in the younger cast members clearly. That's why I said Kurenai-esque. The older adults are also close to Kurenai design. Range Murata (http://www.pseweb.com/page/gallery.html) young adult and teen males look different.
The show can get better I hope. It's only episode 1.
So, first impression after watching episode 1. Good animation, moronic and pathetic story. Nothing but a sermonizing plot which is more then silly!
De-forestation and books. Apparently theres no replanting in this world. As logging companies are generally known for planting 3 trees for every one they cut. And for owning or leasing large tracts of land they use specifically as tree farms. Although, apparently the writers of this show didn't realize this. Carbon Credits... More silliness.
With this kind of stuff as the premise, I don't know if I can stand to watch, despite the good animation. In fact thinking about it, if I skip this show, I honestly don't think I'll have missed out on anything, apart from some lame sermons spouting eco-nut lines. There are plenty of other shows out there, sans sermons, that are a better investment of my limited time.
Uhm...do my ears deceive me or is Momoko really voiced by Jouji Nakata, of all people?
(Yes, that's what's been bothering me the most post-watching...she totally sounds like him).
Uhm...do my ears deceive me or is Momoko really voiced by Jouji Nakata, of all people?
(Yes, that's what's been bothering me the most post-watching...she totally sounds like him).
Yeah she/he is. That's what made me laugh my arse off. Though seriously, what a perfect role for him.
Uhm...do my ears deceive me or is Momoko really voiced by Jouji Nakata, of all people?
(Yes, that's what's been bothering me the most post-watching...she totally sounds like him).
why did you have to say it out loud T____T
Yeah she/he is. That's what made me laugh my arse off. Though seriously, what a perfect role for him.
nooooooooo i'm not listening :uhoh::upset:
There's nothing wrong with Jouji Nakata voicing a hot woman.
why did you have to say it out loud T____T
nooooooooo i'm not listening :uhoh::upset:
Oh, I meant that as a compliment. I'm used to fawning over his so sexy voice, so it was disturbing, at first, to hear it come out of a busty woman, and yet...as Shiroth says, it totally fits him. I might watch Shangri-La just to hear him, actually XD.
There's nothing wrong with Jouji Nakata voicing a hot woman.
Is the character actually female? I was immediately reminded of the drag queens from Tokyo majin.
Is the character actually female? I was immediately reminded of the drag queens from Tokyo majin.
Male dressed up as a Female.
Azure_Peregrine
2009-04-06, 10:30
Huh, I didn't quite go into this understanding that the good guys were for a more industrialized way of life... Though maybe that's why Kuniko doesn't want to lead Metal Age - she likes the people, but doesn't seem big on their practices (ie carbon production).
So, anyways, could people confirm my understanding of the financial markets in this world for me? From what I got from this show, after the disaster, the powerful nations (prob'ly some form of the G20) imposed a carbon tax on the entirety of the world with the intent of cutting carbon emissions. This sets countries that are attempting to industrialize back quite a bit. In order to make a profit, credit companies develop the idea of carbon credits - that is, they essentially pay the anticipated carbon taxes over a period of time for a nation, and then charge interest on how much they had to pay later, expecting that nation to be able to industrialize and make profits in the meantime. But the problem here is that that causes more carbon to be produced without it being stopped, so it continues to put the world in danger... And then anyone who produces carbon without going through a company or the government gets a squad of mercenaries after them, because it causes fluctuation in the carbon market that the companies don't like... Since rising carbon taxes mean they have to pay more with less of a chance of getting paid back.
I have to say, I'm impressed. Considering the current markets around the world and the credit crisis, this seems particularly timely... And that's not even mentioning global warming.
Male dressed up as a Female.
But... he had boobs. :eyebrow: Were they fake? If so... pretty good fakes.
Somehow, this reminds me of Future Boy Conan. However, it includes lot of interesting ideas such as Ecotax and carbon trade working as a pretty good satire to modern society. I see. A nature child's adventure in a dystopian world is common with Miyazaki's Conan. This seems to be promising.
At least, in this work, idealism seems to have ended up with yet another way of ruling just like in other dystopian settings. Developed companies and global corporations don't care about the green-house effects and use super computers and armies to put things under their powers.
As for Momoko, his voice comfortably suits the role...I guess it's one of the experiments of this work and, at the moment, it seems to be successful, too.
Geaaaaaa i thought it was a decent episode overall. Yuck at the transvestite vibe in it tho.The carbon thing was a little confusing at times, had to re-view parts 2 or 3 times to get a picture in my head as to what is going in that regards. 7/10 for the first episode.
But there's the problem man: if everyone followed the formula that you do, then how can one guarantee the same degree of success for each individual person? Creating a great impression upon first viewing should be something that one should strive for, don't you agree?
lol. I don't understand the problem. I'm not trying to guarantee anything. And yes, it'd be nice if more anime had great 1st episodes. But in my experience, that's not reality. I just like to give a series about 3 episodes before I give up on it. To me, throwing a show away after 1 episode is like judging a book by it's cover.
achirist
2009-04-06, 15:07
What a ridiculous, stupid show. There are alternatives to relying on carbon, such as wind, tidal, solar, and geothermal energy; paper and other 'wood products' can be sustainably harvested from hemp, bamboo, coconut. But instead of investigating alternatives, a band of right wing, stupid, ignorant reactionaries want to fight for deforestation and global environmental destruction. If the books aren't available online yet, start typing them up for project gutenberg you stupid slag! And what a surprise that such a know-nothing movement is headed by their messiah of a stupid little girl and her toy boomerang in a childish 'hero-villain' story with that green haired queen that is ultimately no more politically insightful then lelouch of the rebellion wasl.
qmeister
2009-04-06, 15:09
^ I actually agree with most of this, think I'll drop it and go watch Saki instead.
Anomandaris
2009-04-06, 15:20
So, anyways, could people confirm my understanding of the financial markets in this world for me? From what I got from this show, after the disaster, the powerful nations (prob'ly some form of the G20) imposed a carbon tax on the entirety of the world with the intent of cutting carbon emissions. This sets countries that are attempting to industrialize back quite a bit. In order to make a profit, credit companies develop the idea of carbon credits - that is, they essentially pay the anticipated carbon taxes over a period of time for a nation, and then charge interest on how much they had to pay later, expecting that nation to be able to industrialize and make profits in the meantime. But the problem here is that that causes more carbon to be produced without it being stopped, so it continues to put the world in danger... And then anyone who produces carbon without going through a company or the government gets a squad of mercenaries after them, because it causes fluctuation in the carbon market that the companies don't like... Since rising carbon taxes mean they have to pay more with less of a chance of getting paid back.
Actually ... I was under the impression that Carbon Credits was designed by Atlas (which seems to be some sort of world government here) to counter the fact that countries could effectively offset the carbon tax through lower cost of production in general due to industrialisation. Instead of simply taxing carbon emissions, emissions above some quota are periodically 'Credited' to these countries, and these Credits accrue interest which must be repaid (and I guess you can remove credits by going below the quota). So on top of a tax, you get cumulative, ever-increasing interest payments which cannot be lowered unless you cut your emissions.
But this is simply what I gather from the anime. Someone who has read the original work would probably know better.
I find the show rather intriguing ... though I can understand why people may not like working their way through it's (illusion of?) complexity. It kind of reminds me of some episodes in the GITS series. But yeah, we're only one episode in so far, and there's no guarantee it won't fall flat on it's face, leaving loose plot threads all over the place.
Anomandaris
2009-04-06, 15:36
What a ridiculous, stupid show. There are alternatives to relying on carbon, such as wind, tidal, solar, and geothermal energy; paper and other 'wood products' can be sustainably harvested from hemp, bamboo, coconut. But instead of investigating alternatives, a band of right wing, stupid, ignorant reactionaries want to fight for deforestation and global environmental destruction. If the books aren't available online yet, start typing them up for project gutenberg you stupid slag! And what a surprise that such a know-nothing movement is headed by their messiah of a stupid little girl and her toy boomerang in a childish 'hero-villain' story with that green haired queen that is ultimately no more politically insightful then lelouch of the rebellion wasl.
But the thing is ... Atlas seems to be the organisation with the technological know-how to harness all these alternative energy sources you speak off. Why haven't they done so? Maybe the story will provide a reason (the anime mentions some sort of devastation), maybe Atlas is simply abusing its control over the carbon trade to keep the rest of the world under its thumb, separating it into haves and have-nots.
In the real world, most technological progress doesn't happen because it is 'needed' ... it happens because those with the money to fund such research see ways to profit off it
Leaving the art I frankly didn't have much expectations from this show . The art and animation was fabulous and the poster stunning . Apart from brief summary read in this thread I had no idea what to expect. I must say I actually enjoyed the show . Must give it credit for an interesting alluring main character and the side character the maternal okama . The action sequence compliments the good plot also the politics make its even better. The staring few minutes reminded me of Michiko . Was any one else reminded of Santana with resp to insert track when reunion happens outside prison .
If I had to give three seasons to watch the show they would be :
- Stunning visuals and art
- The main character
- The politics and plot
qmeister
2009-04-06, 15:39
But yeah, we're only one episode in so far, and there's no guarantee it won't fall flat on it's face, leaving loose plot threads all over the place.
Like other GONZO shows in similar genres.
why stop at gonzo? lets decide how good an anime is by the city it was made in, actually why stop there. lets just use the average of all animes made in Japan.. yeah that way we can surly tell which cartoons are gonna be good and which are gonna be good..
qmeister
2009-04-06, 16:15
Yup, why not? Like the majority of humanity, lets make critical judgements based on face value and introductions. At face value, Shangri-La has a moderately interesting premise. The introduction falls short of some people's expectations. Oh well, life goes on.
DangerMouse
2009-04-06, 16:51
What a ridiculous, stupid show. There are alternatives to relying on carbon, such as wind, tidal, solar, and geothermal energy; paper and other 'wood products' can be sustainably harvested from hemp, bamboo, coconut. But instead of investigating alternatives, a band of right wing, stupid, ignorant reactionaries want to fight for deforestation and global environmental destruction. If the books aren't available online yet, start typing them up for project gutenberg you stupid slag! And what a surprise that such a know-nothing movement is headed by their messiah of a stupid little girl and her toy boomerang in a childish 'hero-villain' story with that green haired queen that is ultimately no more politically insightful then lelouch of the rebellion wasl.
It's only mid 21st century, considering how SLOWLY we are changing to alternative power sources for the majority of energy do you REALLY think it's that surprising that the world would still be relying on carbon like it is today and still only have limited use of alternatives.
Also for all we know since we're only 20 minutes into the show some of the more powerful nations of the world and places like Atlas that are enforcing this policy could have more alternative energy which is why they aren't as effected by the policy and are willing to enforce it on nations that are still relying on carbon which is kind of what Karin said the power nations told lesser countries. Probably why Japan's carbon tax is lower than this representative's country, Japan and other such world-power countries (such as the US etc.) are likely able to rely a lot more on alternative energy such as the types you listed and less on carbon but still need it at least a little hence the lower tax.
As I've said before so far I do not see anyone actually fighting for/against the environment this is politics not environmental warfare, the environment is the backdrop and the setting, the state of the world, not the plot nor the reason the conflict started it started because the government's reaction to the situation was to unfairly limit emissions to the point where it impacts people's modern lives (in the real world there are countless arguments/legal battles over corporations limiting the emissions of their factories or cars etc., not to return to the environment like in Origin but to just limit the damage, the government in this show has just been extremely strict about it which always leads to conflict), and while one of the reasons Metal-Age is fighting is that the most powerful governments are being too heavy-handed in forcing this limit on others (the key of which is that it limits their use of modern industrial things which you better believe most civilians wouldn't take too kindly to if they were limited in how often they could use their carbon-dioxide emitting cars or other modern things but given the class/power differences there's not much they can do) they are fighting against that government oppression not to restore a balance to nature or anything like that.
DangerMouse
2009-04-06, 16:52
Leaving the art I frankly didn't have much expectations from this show . The art and animation was fabulous and the poster stunning . Apart from brief summary read in this thread I had no idea what to expect. I must say I actually enjoyed the show . Must give it credit for an interesting alluring main character and the side character the maternal okama . The action sequence compliments the good plot also the politics make its even better. The staring few minutes reminded me of Michiko . Was any one else reminded of Santana with resp to insert track when reunion happens outside prison .
If I had to give three seasons to watch the show they would be :
- Stunning visuals and art
- The main character
- The politics and plot
Ah yeah, it's been a while since I've watched Michiko to Hatchin since I expect it to make it over here pretty fast, good show.
Probably, which track was Santana again?
achirist
2009-04-06, 17:25
It's only mid 21st century, considering how SLOWLY we are changing to alternative power sources for the majority of energy do you REALLY think it's that surprising that the world would still be relying on carbon like it is today and still only have limited use of alternatives, this is not far future.
As I've said before so far I do not see anyone actually fighting for/against the environment this is politics not environmental warfare, the environment is the backdrop and the setting, the state of the world, not the plot nor the reason the conflict started it started because the government's reaction to the situation was to unfairly limit emissions to the point where it impacts people's modern lives (in the real world there are countless arguments/legal battles over corporations limiting the emissions of their factories or cars etc., not to return to the environment like in Origin but to just limit the damage, the government in this show has just been extremely strict about it which always leads to conflict), and while one of the reasons Metal-Age is fighting is that the most powerful governments are being too heavy-handed in forcing this limit on others (the key of which is that it limits their use of modern industrial things which you better believe most civilians wouldn't take too kindly to if they were limited in how often they could use their carbon-dioxide emitting cars or other modern things but given the class/power differences there's not much they can do) they are fighting against that government oppression not to restore a balance to nature or anything like that.
Yes, by 2050 alternative energy will be ready - it is ready now if only people would implement it. But you've illustrated my points exactly in how this show presents a blatantly false reactionary 'choice' that has nothing to do with reality. Furthermore, there is no special technology required for utilizing hemp, coconut, and bamboo instead of trees as I mentioned; too bad the librarian had no 'books' about that. The environment is not something abstract; the environment is humanity, and destroying the environment is destroying ourselves by way of climate change. But this show presents a very right-wing message instead; that instead of working to move away from carbon-heavy sources and ways of life as a society (such as towards interlinked high speed rail run on solar instead of cars), they should only be afraid of 'big government' taking away their freedom - that climate change doesn't exist, it is just a profit-making fascist scheme. Carbon trading is a scam, and one that will not last too long, because it can't actually slow down climate change, I should add. But of course, watch whatever you want - I just won't be.
Yes, by 2050 alternative energy will be ready - it is ready now if only people would implement it.
you are saying they are "taking a side", but from that sentence it just shows that its not taking a side and just being realistic. if it could be done today how can you say it "wrong" for them to claim the same thing will be done in the future?
as was mentioned, there aren't many things in the world that changed "because they should" most of the changes in the world came because it was economical for the people with the most money to happen, and from what I saw in shangrila i doubt that was the case over there.
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